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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
much for joining us for another live episode of the show.
I really appreciate it. Before we bring on tonight's guest,
I want to give you two updates about past guests.
Number one, last week's guest Tiffany. Unfortunately, she's had some
things happen since she was last week that just further
reinforced the point that she made the right decision to
move out. That's a good thing in a way, but
in another way, that was her dream property. So it's
just so unfortunate that all this had to happen. These
things that have happened, or just reminders about how bad
of a situation that is. And like I told her
before several times, I'm so glad she's leaving that behind.
On another note, the other update I wanted to give
you is Kim, the eyewitness who came back on to
update us on her imber siting. Kim contacted me to
let me know that unfortunately the dog Men found her.
They found out where she lives, and they've been watching her.
That's bad in a way, but it might be good
news in a way. What I'm getting at is we
had a good conversation last weekend about this, and after
talking with her about what's been going on, she's been
seeing a pair of eyes in the woods, and she
can make out a silhouette that looks like is probably
a fairly decent sized male dog man that's been watching her. Well,
there's another set of eyes where she hasn't been able
to see what those eyes belong to very well. Well,
after we had been speaking for some time, I told her,
I said, well, you know, it sure sounds to me
like you do know who owns those eyes that are
more distant. I told her, I'm pretty sure that's Ember.
It's Imber and her escort basically that have found her
in they're watching her house. She got excited when I
posed that idea. We don't know that's the case, but
she got kind of excited when I brought that possibility up.
Maybe that's what's going on, Maybe it's not. We really
don't know, but like I told her, I'm pretty sure
time will tell. I don't think it's going to be
all that long before whoever those dogmen are, they really
make their presence known and she'll be able to get
a good look consequently. Well enough on that, let's bring
on tonight's guest. Tonight's guest is Nicole. Nicole, Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 3: Hi, Vick, thank you for having me on.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for coming. We appreciate your time. Nicole.
You've got a unique encounter to share with this tonight.
Most encounters, the eyewitnesses felt like they're about to be attacked,
sometimes even killed. But your encounter was a different kind
of encounter. We're going to get into the meat and
potatoes of that later on, but your encounter is kind
of a fresh breath of air for me because lately
it's been bad encounter after bad encounter. I was contacted,
what two three days ago from a guy who claims
that a sasquatch that he's interacted with for years saved
his life from a dog mean that was trying to
kill him. So that's just one more bad encounter that
I've been made aware of and I've been trying to
help people with. So, like I said, talk with you
about your encounter and hear what actually happened. Yeah, that's
why I'm saying. It's kind of like a fresh breath
of air. But like I said, we'll get into that
in a bit. Before we do, we need to cover
some other things, such as, please give us a brief
bio in yourself.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm Nicole. I was born and raised in a
small town in Georgia, where I lived in a very
haunted house with my grandparents. I lived there until I
was about eighteen or nineteen, where I moved into my
mom's house in an even smaller town in Georgia, which
is where I actually had my dog man encounter. And
then shortly after that, I moved here to Florida for
a job, where I've now been ever since. And I
live with my husband and our two rescue dogs and
our rescue cat. And that's about it. I work from home,
and I spend most of my time hanging out with
our animals. I'm very passionate about rescuing animals, and I
donate my time to the local shelters and whatnot. Yeah,
that's where most of my time and where my heart
lies is with them.
Speaker 2: Well that's great. I think that's great that you rescue animals.
What you do? What kind of dogs do you have?
Speaker 3: I have a Rhodesian ridge back and I have a
pit mix. The ridge back is about five years old.
We rescued him at the start of the lockdown for COVID.
Our local shelter was trying to clear out as many
animals as they could as everything was shutting down around here.
And we've worked with them before in the past, and
they were like, hey, do y'all want to come get
a dog to foster or take one on? And I
was like, I'm not gonna just foster. I'm going to
take one, so let me come take a look. And
I got my little spoiled baby. And then our pit mix.
He's about thirteen years old. Now he's an old man.
He's our gentle giant.
Speaker 2: I'll bet those two keep you busy, don't they.
Speaker 3: They sure do, especially the ridgeback.
Speaker 2: I'll bet I'll bet they do. But that's great though, Yeah,
glad you do that sort of thing. Nicole, you said
that you were raised in a hunted house. Do you
think there's a chance that just might have prepared you,
at least a little for the encounter that you're going
to tell us about.
Speaker 3: Tonight, Yeah, I would say so, it definitely, you know,
from a I mean, I had encounters with spirits from
when I was a baby, like things I don't even remember,
but my mom and grandma would tell me about. But
I had plenty, you know, throughout all the way up
through my teenage years there and then as an adult,
I still have had things happen. So I was very
open minded about you know, other things I had. As
I told you, I had never heard of the term
dog man until a couple of months ago and then
was turned towards your show. So when I saw what
I saw, the only thing I had to go off
of was you know, movie where wolves, and I didn't
know such a thing existed, but I definitely, you know,
wasn't opposed to there being such a thing because I'd
always believed in in the sasquatch and I never you know,
I've never seen one of those either, But I just
who am I to say what is or isn't out there?
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that's true, well as you've seen with
your own two eyes. I mean, if dog men could
be out there, who knows what could be out there?
So it's a wild world definitely, and I'm wondering, how
did you find out what it was that you had
that encounter with, or are those two encounters with?
Speaker 3: I should say, well, I didn't really have anybody to
truly talk about it, and anytime I've brought it up,
you know, people were like, that doesn't exist. And whenever
I would like try to look it up, you know,
I would look up wear wolves or whatnot, and I
never came across the term dog man until about two
or three months ago. I saw a TikTok video of
an encounter somebody had with a dog man in Mexico,
and all the comments were telling her to come to
you and that they should check out your show, and
so I was like, what's a dog man? So I
looked up your show, started listening to it, doing research,
and I was like, okay, so that's what I saw.
So here we are, you know, fourteen years later, and
I'm finally just understanding what I saw.
Speaker 2: Well better late than ever. I'm so glad you found
out what these guys are and what they're called. From
what I understand, you told your husband about the two
encounters we're going to talk about tonight. How did he respond? Though?
Speaker 3: You cut out for a se I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Oh that's all right. From what I understand, you told
your husband about the two encounters that we're going to
talk about tonight. How did you respond when you told him?
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, he does not believe in me. He does
not believe in anything paranormal. And like I said, I've
you know, I grew up in a haunted house, and
I've had stuff happen here because I inherited things from
my grandparents' house that I was raised in, and there's
definitely a things attached to some of those objects. So
we have things here happen in our house. I know
for a fact he's witnessed these things, but he's always
trying to find a way to explain these things away.
And as everybody will hear later in my story, I
was in a lot of pain during the time of
my encounter, and so he just simply thinks that I
was just like hallucinating or just delusional and delirious from
the amount of pain I was in. But I saw
what I saw.
Speaker 2: Well, of course you did, and shame on him for
thinking that somehow you could do that. He knows you're
of sound mind, he knows you're not a liar. So
if you tell him that that's what you saw, he
should take that. So the fact he doesn't that makes
me not a big fan of his. I'm just going
to tell you right now. That's right, all right, Nicole,
Please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us ever
last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 3: Okay, So, like I said, I grew up in one
small town most of my life, and then I briefly
moved in with my mother because I was primarily raised
by my grandparents, and after my grandmother passed away, I
moved in briefly with my mother, who had recently moved
to an even smaller town. And when I say a
small I mean like she was in a brand new
build neighborhood, like one of the first new neighborhoods in
this area. Everything else around her were old farmhouses that
had been there for years and years and years, and
those houses, you know, owned on the land around them,
and it was just farmland and woods surrounding this little
neighborhood that she was in. And if you said you
were going to town, you were basically going down to
Maybury like you would go down a country road. And
there was like a bank, an old school, pharmacy, city hall,
the fire station, and like a tiny restaurant and a
barber shop, and that was it. And you might cross
the tracks and there was like an old school and
that was all there was. So at the time, they
were just starting to like build up around the area
that my mom had moved into, and they had cleared
out some of the woods to the left of her
neighborhood and there was nothing built yet. It was just
cleared out, and they were getting ready to start building something.
So I had a black lab at the time, and
I like to take her and I would go down
where they were about to start building the neighborhood to
the left, and we would walk all the way to
the back of that and then cut over this like
little just a little area that was by a pond
that would then take you into the woods that were
behind those two neighborhood properties. And we would go over
there and there'd be a pond and we'd go fishing.
I would let my dog off the leash and we'd
play on the hills over there, and I'd just kind
of explore the woods and stuff. And we were over
there this one day, just walking around around out in
the woods and I Unfortunately, I suffer from something called endometriosis,
and it causes me to have really really intense pain
flare ups at times. And it just so happened I
happened to have one of these pain flare ups while
we were out in those woods and by this point
where we're not too far from my mom's neighborhood, but
we've gone, you know, far enough into the woods to
where we're two three miles away at this point, and
I can tell the pain is just gonna get worse
and worse, and I'm not gonna be able to walk
back home, like I can barely move when I'm having
this sort of pain. But you had alone, you know,
trying to walk a couple of miles like that's unheard of.
So the only thing I could do was there's a place,
like on the other side of the pond that we
were at, that would take you to this little bridge
that went across a small stream and then came out
onto one of the old country roads that was kind
of connected to a farm over towards the front of
my mom's neighborhood. And I thought, well, well, if I
can just make it over there, that's not as far
and I can call my mom and have her, you know,
come over to that road and pick us up. So
I head out over there and I get over the
bridge and I call my mom. And this was around
the holidays, and she was, you know, like baking or
getting stuff ready for Thanksgiving or Christmas or something, and
she said, well, I'm in the middle of this, but
just hang out there a little while and I'll come
get you. And I was like, all right. So me
and my dog were on this bridge and we're all
the way on the far left side of the bridge,
which is closest to that like country Stone Road, and
on the right side of the bridge, it's got the
pond to the right, and then to the left is
some woods. And at this point, just that little bit
of walking has got my pain just to absolute next level,
like I can't breathe. I'm starting to, you know, starting
feel like I'm gonna pass out, where your body goes
super hot and cold all at the same time. And
so I just sit down on the on the bridge,
and I'm just sitting down there next to my dog,
and I'm like, I'll just you know, sit here, try
to breathe and let this pass and and wait for
my mom to get there. And as I'm sitting there,
I mean, and I had only just sat down, like
this all happened so fast, So this thing had to
have been watching me, because as like no sooner had
I sat down, I see and hear movement coming from
that woodline on the other side of the bridge. Now
over here, it wasn't unusual for me to see deer
or wild turkeys or something like that coming out and
coming over there to that pond. So I thought, oh,
you know, I'm gonna have some nice animal company while
I'm waiting here.
Speaker 4: But no, this, this big, gray, hunched over were wolf
like creature steps out from those woods and walks up
to the end of the bridge.
Speaker 3: This thing was dark gray with almost like a blue
cast to its fur, and it was kind of it
was kind of like a cross between like one of
the Underworld were wolves and remas Slooping from Harry Potter.
It was very hunched over and muscular, but it wasn't
like huge, like it wasn't like the van helsing were
wolf like I've heard some people describe. This thing was
about i'd say seven feet tall. It might have been taller,
but it stayed very hunched over, like it was trying
to appear smaller and less menacing. And I'm about six
feet tall myself. So this thing it approaches the end
of the bridge and it it just it squats down
on all fours because it's walked out of that clearing
on two legs and now it's squatting down at the
end of the bridge. And it had like, you know,
the backwards like looking legs, like like one of my
dogs has. But when it sat down the front like
it had basically hands with claws, So it wasn't like
when my dogs, you know, just sitting there. It was
like a man with dog feet and a dog head,
just squatting there in front of me. And like I said,
I'm about six feet tall, so this thing wasn't much
taller than me once it was squatting down like that,
so at the most it was probably seven feet tall
or so. Well, the thing's looking at me. It's not
showing me its teeth. It never once like truly tried
to look menacing at me. But it was still scary
because I'm sitting here thinking, oh my god, this is
a werewolf, you know, and I'm already in pain and
there's no way I can, you know, try to run
from this thing. I'm as vulnerable as you possibly could
be right now, and I'm just my blood has gone
from running cold to just being completely solid ice in
my veins. I don't know what to do. I'm freaking out.
I'm trying. I'm not taking my eyes off of the creature,
but I'm trying to avoid eye contact with it because
i don't want it to feel threatened or like I'm
challenging it or anything. But I also, you know, I
don't want to look like I'm challenging it or anything.
I don't want to get up and run and you know,
make it think that it's a game, you know, come
and get me. So I'm just still sitting there, just
looking at it. And my dog, My dog, she was
not afraid of anything to her. Every person, every animal
was just a new playmate for her. She was never afraid,
and she certainly was not an attack dog. But this
thing scared her to death and she started cowering behind
my back, and that just added to my fear because
I've never seen this dog get scared, and I never
saw her get scared again. And so I'm like, Okay, great.
If she is scared, then I know we're in a pickle.
This is awful, and so I'm just freaking out. And
now this thing is scooting kind of scoot closer to me.
It's very slow, it's still in all fours, and it's
just kind of creeping closer to me and tilting its head.
I can still see it now in my mind. It's terrifying,
and it's just kind of tilting its head like a
curious dog, like trying to figure me out. And as
it's creeping closer to me, my dog starts freaking out
even more, and it's just practically trying to crawl into
my back right now, and it's just whimpering and whining,
and that draws the dog man's attention even more, like
it's now more curious about what my dog's doing, and
it stands up on two legs again and starts moving
across the bridge towards me. And all I could think
of was that scene in the Silver Bullet when the
kid's out on the bridge on fourth of July, and
that where Wolf Priest is coming at. But so the
dog Man's walking towards me, and at this point I
just go into full panic. I'm crying, I'm yelling, and
I'm going, please don't hurt me. I'm hurt. I have
somebody coming to get me. I don't mean to be
intruding on your territory. I'll I'll be gone in just
a moment. Please don't hurt me. And I was like,
if you do have to hurt one of us, please
take me, let my baby go. And I'm just begging
this thing for my life because I don't know what
it's about to do. It's just coming closer and closer
to me, and of course, you know, I'm sitting down
on the ground, so this huge thing is over me
and it's just as menacing as you could think. And
finally it kind of stops. It doesn't make it all
the way up over to me. It's just kind of
like halfway across the bridge, and I all of a
sudden just have this calmness wash over me and this
feeling of everything's gonna be okay. The panic immediately leaves
my body, and it's like I didn't hear like a
foreign voice. It was just like this thing took over
my inner monologue and started telling me, hush, hush, you're okay.
Nobody means you any harm. You're gonna be all right.
And it kind of backed away from me, and it
was it was like something was asking me, like, are
you hurt? Are you in trouble? Do you need help?
That's all I'm looking for is to see if you
need help. And so the thing has slowly backed away
from me at this point, and I'm I kind of
look at it and I'm I fay out loud. I'm like, oh,
you're concerned about me. And I'm just shocked because to
think that, you know, here's this big werewolf thing and
it's trying to make me feel better. And I started explaining,
I'm like, I'm I'm not injured, I'm sick, I have
something wrong with me, but I'm okay, and there's somebody
coming to get me, and I will be out of
your territory in just a moment. And it just backed
away from me, and it went back into the woods,
not all the way into the woods, but just far
enough into the treeline to where if somebody was to
walk up on us, they wouldn't spot it without knowing
where it was. And it just watched me, and I
kept watching it. I didn't want to turn my back
on it. But I slowly, and I mean as slowly
as I could, stood up. I grabbed my dog by
the leash, and I backed down my side of the
bridge and got closer to the road. And I never
took my eyes off of this dog man, and it
never took its eyes off of me either. And I'm
just standing there trembling, like because even though this thing
seems to be letting me go and it's acting like it's,
you know, concerned, I don't know if it's just trying
to catch me, you know, in my guard down or whatever.
I don't think this thing is my new best friend
out here in the woods. And I'm just watching it
while it watches me, and I'm just praying, like a mom,
please get here as fast as you can. And in
a few minutes the car pulls up. This thing is
still watching me. I grab my dog, I throw it
into the back of the car, and then I hopped
in the car with my mom and while I'm still
watching the woods, and it finally turns and leaves. Now,
my mom and I we don't really have that good
of a relationship. And as soon as I get in
the car, she's just kind of scolding me and saying, like,
why were you out there in the woods when you
knew you could have had a pain flare up like this?
And I'm like, Mom, I didn't know. It just caught
me off guard, which it really did. And I'm crying
and sobbing, but it's, you know, mostly because I just
have this encounter, but she doesn't know that. She just
thinks I'm in pain, which I still am, you know,
in terrible pain. But I'm now freaking out about this
thing I just saw. But I'm not going to tell
her because even though she is sensitive to paranormal things
like I am, she has never really believed in anything
like this, and so I'm not about to try and
explain what I saw to her. I had a cousin
that lived in the mountains and had different encounters with things,
and most of my family mocked him and made jokes
about him, and my mom was one of those people.
So I didn't open up to her. I just sat there,
you know, in silence, just trying to process what I saw.
And well, later that night, I'm now back home and
I'm up in my bed and I'm just trying to
drown out my thoughts. With a TV. And my dog's
up there and she's now seems like she's gotten over experience.
She's just calmed down on the bed, and I get
this urge all of a sudden to go look out
the window. I try to fight it because I'm like,
this is weird, you know what if that thing's out there,
and but I get up. I'm like, well, I'm up
here on the second floor. This thing hopefully can't keep
me inside my house up here. So I walk over
to the window and across the road from my house
is one of our neighbor's house that backs up into
the woodline and just out of those woods and into
the clearing right where like just enough for the moon
and one of the street lights to kind of shine
on it. As that dog man, and it's looking up
at me in my room, and I'm looking down at it,
and then that feeling takes over my mind again again.
It's not like I'm hearing some foreign voice. It's just
my inner dialogue, but it's like it's being controlled by
something else. And it was like, hey, you're still all right.
I just wanted to make sure that you're safe and
you're okay, and I'm just kind of like, yeah, I'm
fine by leave me alone, you know, because I just
want this thing away from me. I don't want to
have anything else to do with this thing. And it
just kind of looks at me and then turns and
goes back into those woods, and I never saw it again.
It wasn't but about three or four months later I
moved away from there. It wasn't because of that. I
just happened to have a job already lined up here
in Florida that I was waiting for the new year
to come for me to start. But the last couple
of months that I lived there, I never wandered down
to the pond or into the woods ever again. And
I've only been back to my mom's house maybe three
or four times. Again, we're not very close, so I
don't really have much of a reason to go back.
And I do have a little brother, but if I
want to see him, he usually comes here, because I mean,
we're in Florida and have all the theme parks, so
of course he'd rather come here than me go there.
And now that place is so grown with so many
businesses and restaurants and warehouses and tons of new neighborhoods,
that there's really no longer that big wooded area or
the farmland anymore. It's all, you know, taken over by
your typical modern, modern world that we live in. So
I don't even know where that dog man could live
over there without being bothered by humans at this point. Yeah,
that was the only time I saw it was that
day on the bridge and then later that night. And
that's the only encounter I've ever had with a dog man,
and I hope I I never have one ever again.
And that's that's pretty much it.
Speaker 2: Well, that makes two of us. Yeah, I can never
have another encounter again. Also, you're getting pretty worked up
there talking about those experiences. Let's shift gears a little bit.
We can get back into the whole dogma thing and
just a bit, but let's kind of shift gears here
to help calm you down. Are you ready for the
holidays or do you still have to do all of
your shopping?
Speaker 3: I still have to do shopping, but I'm definitely ready
for the holidays. Christmas is my absolute favorite time of year.
I've been saying I just want to go ahead and
put the tree up now, but I usually do that
at midnight on Halloween.
Speaker 2: Really midnight on Halloween.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so as soon as late the trigger treaters are gone,
I take down all the Halloween stuff inside, and I
put up all the Christmas stuff, and then the next
day I down the outside stuff and then put up
my Christmas stuff. My neighborhood's always like, you know, it's
Christmas time when Nichole starts putting out her stuff and
then they all follow suit.
Speaker 2: Wow, you're really into it. Then I see you're even
crazier about Christmas than I am.
Speaker 3: I love Christmas. I'm definitely a Christmas girl. Buy Christmas
things all year round. I wear a lot of Christmas
clothes year round. I love it.
Speaker 2: Have you got my present yet? Though?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna get you a DVD of the classic
wolf Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be a good present. That'd be okay, that's funny.
Are you sure you're ready to talk about these encounters,
because if you want to unwind a little longer, we
can definitely do that.
Speaker 3: No, I'm okay. I think I got more nervous just
knowing that there is an audience. I've always been a
bit a bit shy and introverted, so and being really
brave to come on here and talk about this, but
I really, I really wanted to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very brave. It's not an easy group of experiences
to talk about, number one, but yeah, I mean most
people weren't comfortable to talk to audiences, so it's like
a double whammy. I get it. I feel so bad
for you, the Nicole. It sounds like you went a
long time after having these experiences before you could confide
in anyone. How long was it.
Speaker 3: I mean I tried, you know, like a couple of friends,
and they would just kind of laugh it off and
think I was joking. And I mean that was within
you know, the first few months of it happening, and
nobody really took it seriously. Like I had said, the
only person that I knew of that had ever experienced
I don't know if he'd ever experienced a dog man
per se, but I knew he had encountered other things
was my cousin, who was half Native American and his
mother was Native American, and she had brought him up,
you know, teaching him about all the things out in
the woods, and they lived in an area where he
he claimed he saw things and he would try to
talk about it, and my family ridiculed him, and I
always listened to him, but he had actually passed away
from cancer. Unfortunately by the time I had my own experience,
so I didn't have anybody else I could talk to.
And ironically, he had a pet wolf, like an actual
one hundred percent wolf that he had raised and rescued
as a pub so then he would have been like
the perfect person to talk to about this sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would have been shame and your family for
ridiculing him though. That's horrible. Yeah, m h yeah, that
really is. But from what you've told me, I guess
that's kind of what I should expect. I mean, it
sounds like it does tend to run family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it does.
Speaker 2: Were you more hung up on trying to figure out
how in the world this thing was able to use
your inner dialogue to communicate with you, or were you
more just struck from the fact that, Okay, I just
saw something. It looks like a dead ringer for a
wear wolve.
Speaker 3: I mean it was both. I was absolutely floored to
see such a thing because, I mean, you see them
on movies all the time, and I liked, you know,
horror movies growing up. I still do, And but I
just never expected to see, you know, something from the
screen right in front of me. But whenever I tried
to do research, like I said, I would you know,
look up wear wolves and stuff, and I would look
up like hearing like the voices from like a cryptid
or something like I was, you know, looking up all
different things. And one thing I had learned over the
years long before just I just learned about, you know,
what a dog man was a couple of months ago,
but I had learned about the kind of feeling I
had when it was doing the mind speak because I
read and heard several people who had had encounters with vampires,
usually in Louisiana, and they had very similar experiences to
what I had with this dog man, with it basically
like just taking over my inner monologue, controlling my feelings
and whatnot. And so that was helpful. So I at
least had that to go on for a few years,
but it was very few and far between on what
I could find on you know, like werewolves and stuff.
And it wasn't until I stumbled across that one video
on TikTok and saw on the comments people were saying, oh,
that's a dog man and you should talk to Vic
about dog man encounters, and I was like, wait, do
I have a new lead. Let me check this out.
And then for the past couple of months I have
been listening and going down a rabbit hole and doing
more research, and I was like, Okay, I think it's
time I can finally call somebody and find a community
that will understand me and not ridicule me.
Speaker 2: Well, it goes with that saying I'm so glad you
found out about me and what I do and found
out about this show. You're going to get nothing but
support here. No one's going to make fun of you.
So of course I'm so glad you've got access to that.
As far as how an experience like that would affect you,
of course, yeah, two encounters, but the first encounter was
more of an encounter than the second one because you're
removed and you're looking down from your bedroom and whatnot.
But can you think of any long lasting effects that
you are dealing with today, whether negative or positive, that
you can point to the first encounter directly at that
first encounter as being responsible for these effects that you're experiencing.
Speaker 3: I sometimes, especially if I'm out like walking the dogs,
like in the evening, it's it's Florida, so it's hot here,
so it's more comfortable to go out in the evening.
And sometimes I'll be by the woodline and I'll hear
a snapper crackle coming from the trees and suddenly I'm
back there. And sometimes I told you about this the
other day. My oldest dog, Tiger, he'll there's times where
he'll look at me and it's just like looking at
that dog man's face again, just something about how he'll
turn his head a certain way and his eyes will
look a certain way and and it just like makes
my blood run cold for a moment, and I'll then
have to like go pat him and be like, don't
look at me like that. I love you, but you're
scaring me right now.
Speaker 2: Well, like I told you in the first conversation, that's
not just you. Yeah, a lot of eyewitnesses report that
they'll look at their dogs, and their dogs have a
certain an expression, especially the ones that look like shepherds.
They'll move a certain way and it just freaks out
the eyewitnesses and understandably so, I mean, some dogs can
look pretty similar to dog men down on all fours
at times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they can.
Speaker 2: You talked about being next to the woodline, were you
alone at the time. Does that mean that, even though
you've had these experiences, you're able to go near the
woods or into the woods by yourself. Now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I still go. I always have one
of the dogs with me, usually my ridge back, because
our senior dog, Tiger, he's thirteen years old. He can't
really hang out as long as as me and our
younger dog can. Now he's having a harder time moving around,
but the little one has lots of energy, so he's
my walking buddy. We've ran racist together and stuff, and
we wander around the woods and the swamp land over
here sometimes.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's great, that's really good. When you've been doing
those things in the woods. Has there ever been a
time where you thought, Okay, I think we've got a
dog men nearby?
Speaker 3: There was I never saw anything else again, but I
don't think I even mentioned it to you or in
the story. But the smell. There was one time where
I smelled the smell that I smelled on that bridge
that day, and I was like, whoa that? And I
didn't know what a dog man was, but I was like,
that smells like a were wolf. And I I telled
at home immediately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand, why better do you use caution
than to risk having another encounter that doesn't need to
happen normally, I can get a pretty good beat on this,
But with how you've laid it out there, I'm still unsure.
It's obviously your husband doesn't believe you when you talk
about having these encounters. Has that strained your relationship with
him in any way?
Speaker 3: Not really, because I just I don't feel the need
to have to bring it up that much. The only
time when we ever, like really argue about anything is when,
like I said, there's we've definitely had paranormal things happen here.
I inherited stuff from my grandparents house that was the
haunted house I grew up in, and there's definitely things
attached to some of those items, and ever since we
brought those into our house, things started happening. And I
know that he's experienced these things because he's even talked
to me about them. But then I'm like, oh see,
you see like it happens, and He's like he was
it was just a shadow, the lighting was weird, maybe
like if something moves. He's like, maybe I just put it,
you know, too close to the edge of the counter.
Like he it's like he's scared and he just needs
to put any kind of excuse in front of it
rather than say that it's something paranormal.
Speaker 2: Well, of course he does. And the funny part about that, Nicole,
is that, right there is a kind of eyewitness who
always has the most trouble coming to terms with their experiences.
When you've got a person like that contacted me, I
know I've got my work cut out for me, because yeah,
I mean a lot of cases, it makes their life
just fall apart. It really does.
Speaker 3: Like I said, you know, like I've never seen anything
else as far as a dog man, but I did
have that similar smell the one time. That was in
the like the swamp area around our house, because our
house now it goes right up to the woods, like
our garage is right there. Like I step out of
the garage and right into the woods and head into
the swamp area. So I'm always like, I hope there
was there wasn't a dog man out there, And if
there is, I hope he doesn't ever come over here
because my husband is going to be like, oh, that's
just a big animal, let me go out there and
challenge it. And I don't want him to go out there,
and that's with something like that. And I know he
would because he'd be like, oh, let me just prove
to you it's just a big animal, you know. Let
me grab grab a weapon and go out there. And
I just would hate for him to do that because
it would not end.
Speaker 2: Well, no, it sure wouldn't. Ye, it's good you know that.
If your house is right there up against the woods
like that, can you still go out at night to
take the trash out or check the mail, get into
the car truck or do you try to be a
shut away after dark?
Speaker 3: I still go out there, but it's always very nerve wracking,
especially when I have to go out there and get
the trash can, like from behind the garage. It's just
very nerve wracking. There's some nights where it gets almost
too quiet, and I do, like I look around and
I'm like, this, something ain't right. It's just too quiet
around here. And you know that's when they say there's
different things and not necessarily dog man, but something's around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, listen to your instincts. I always recommend that
people do that.
Speaker 3: I just do what I have to do and then
get back in the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah all, bet, and I understand. Well, like I said,
if your house is that close to the woods, right
upon it sounds like after dark, are you ocd about
making sure every last door and window was locked?
Speaker 3: Yes, I but I have always been like that, just
as a child for some reason, like my grandparents would
always have all the windows open because we didn't have
ac for the longest time growing up. So like my
my grandparents would have all the windows and doors open
throughout the day and then they would close them at night.
And I've always been a night owl, so I would
usually stay up by myself when I was a kid,
and I didn't like it if they didn't shut like
a window all the way or something. I always had
this just feeling like something was watching me. And so
ever since I was a kid, that's been like a
nightly routine for me to make sure there isn't even
like a crack coming through a blind or a curtain
and everything needs to be locked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, once bitten twice shy, I can understand why, and
especially if your houses that close to the woods. I mean,
you deserve a lot of credit to be able to
even live there, so I'm impressed most eyewitnesses wouldn't be
able to do that. Well, let's transition over to asking
the questions from the listeners in the live chat. But
before we do that, I want to put something out there.
We've got donations that came in from both Tiffany and
Long Island Bigfoot. I want to thank both of you
so much for your support. But to everyone listening, it's
awfully nice of you to send these donations, but please
don't even worry about sending donations monetary donations. If you
have a mind to do that, then instead of doing that,
please just focus your support that much more on the
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that it's not that I don't appreciate the donations, it's
just I mean, I think it would be better served
if you just focused even more effort on supporting the guests.
So I just wanted to put that out there for everyone. Well,
like I said, I definitely appreciate the donations, but you
definitely don't need to do that. Just by supporting the eyewitnesses,
you do more than I could ever ask for. Well,
let's move on to the first question from the a
guest in the live chat. This is going to be
from Sheen and Uminaser, and Sheannon wants to know could
you tell if it was a male or a female.
Speaker 3: I assume it was a male. It I don't know why.
It just didn't look feminine to me. I you know,
at the time, I didn't have anything to go off
of what would be what It's fur was very thick,
so there wasn't like I could see much like that
sort of anatomy. But from what I have gathered the
last couple of months of hearing people that usually the
female ones are a bit more curvy looking, and this
was more like a It was muscular and and wasn't
like curvy or anything like that. It wasn't big. I
mean it was like seven feet, so it's still big,
but it wasn't like huge body builder. But it felt
like a male to me. But I could be wrong,
but I had nothing to say that it would be female.
Speaker 2: Well, from a distance, it can be pretty difficult to
tell for sure, but you never know. More than likely
listening to how it responded to you and everything, there's
a good possibility it was a female. But we're never
gonna know. All we can do is guess on that
ban Bang wants to know. And Nicole, did it smile
at you?
Speaker 3: No, it didn't. I mean I could see like its
biggest things like sticking out of the front of its snout,
but it never like growled or menaced or even you know,
tried to make a friendly smile. It really felt like
it was trying to be the least amount of intimidating
as possible, which it stayed. It stayed, you know, kind
of squatted down, and then when I panicked and it
was standing up, it backed away and squatted back down
like it really tried to. It seemed almost like respectful
and trying to keep me from being afraid again. Like
I said, I don't think it was my new best buddy.
I don't know if it was just trying to lure
me into a sense of safety and hope that, you know,
next time it could get me. I don't know that.
I mean, it could have had me right then and
there if it had wanted to. But yeah, it didn't
like ever really show its full teeth to me or anything.
I just could see it's big, the biggest thing sticking
out of the front of its mouth.
Speaker 2: It might have been trying to set you up for
a fall down the road. But if you think about it,
it had you dead to rights right there. If it
wanted to get you, why not just do it then
and there. I mean, it's possible. I'm never going to
say it's not, but it just wouldn't make sense in
my opinion for that reason.
Speaker 3: No, Because I mean I was as vulnerable as you
could get. I was, you know, sitting on the ground
out there in the middle of the woods. I was
an intense pain. If it had wanted me right then
and there, it could have had me.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, please never lose sight of that fact.
The next one on deck is from Michigan medi Eater,
and he wants to know, did you notice anything else
forrest sounds, gone, smell, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, I forgot to mention the smell
that it did. It did stinc It smelled like almost
like a skunky smell mixed with like feces and ammonia.
As far as the sound. When I'm in that sort
of pain and I'm already like in that like almost
blacking out state, my ears kind of go into like
a buzzing noess like, you know, like when you're about
to faint, your ears just kind of clog out and
kind of have that buzzing feeling to them. My I
was like that at the time from my pain, So
I honestly wouldn't have known if anything had changed as
far as sound around me or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, it's so much going on in your mind.
You're doing good to know your own name, So yeah,
I think you deserve a lot of credit for that.
It looks like Michigan Med Theater has the next one
up to you. He wants to know. Did you notice
any type of expression on its face.
Speaker 3: It looked like it just like a curious dog. Like
it looked like how my dogs do when they hear
like a new sound or see something for the first time,
where they're like they almost have me like their their
little eyebrows kind of go up and cock their head
to the side. It was if it wasn't so scary looking,
it would have almost been like a cute face, honestly,
because how it was looking at me. But I was
obviously scared and intimidated by it. But it was just
kind of kept looking me over like it was trying
to figure me out. And I think that's exactly what
it was doing, because when it took over, it took
over my mind. I felt like something was saying like
are you all right? Are you are you hurt? Do
you need help? Like it was It's like it was
trying to figure out, like why is this human just
sitting here on a bridge like this?
Speaker 2: You know, if it did understand definitively that you did
need help, I wonder what would have done. It's not
like it could have cured into the hospital or anything.
Speaker 3: I have. That's the thing I have thought about the
most over the years for this encounter, and I just wonder,
like what if I had said, yes, I do need help,
like with this thing had tried to pick me up,
and as we know, we've later found out anew where
I lived. Would it had like taken me and like
dumped me in my backyard or something like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wouldn't have been good at all.
Speaker 3: No, even if I had needed help, I'd be like, no, no,
I'm good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'd say so understandably so too. The next
one up is from Keith from sixteen seventy five. His
question is what color werethy eyes? If you could see
you're doing fine. Took me thirty years before I spoke
to Vic.
Speaker 3: Thank you both, well, thank you. The eyes I forgotten
to mention I did tell Vic about was my first
book to him. I'm a big I'm a whiskey girl.
And those eyes were like sunlight going through a glass
of whiskey. It was like that bright orange brown amber color,
you know. And like I said, it was like sunlight
going through a glass that kind of had that backlit effect,
not like you know, full of blown, like a fake light,
but just kind of like a subtle glow from within.
They were very intense, and I tried to avoid looking
at the eyes at first because I didn't want to
show it any disrespect for or anything. It wasn't until
it started kind of taking over my mind and I
felt more calm that I finally looked up into its eyes.
When I asked it, I was like, oh, you're concerned
about me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely not what you would expect when you have
a dog ma an the counter, But I'll take that
any day over the common ones. Yeah, yeah, those normal
are very good. The next question would be from legal
gun smoke and they want to know hmm, having a
hard time understanding this one. I guess they're asking once
the feeling came over, you did it kind of calm
your nerves?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It did.
Speaker 3: It was like the best way I could described it
was like my blood had had run cold as this
thing was coming towards me, and as soon as like
it took over my thoughts, it was like a warm
blanket was draped over me, and I just felt like
everything was gonna be okay. When it stepped away from
me and back into the woods was when the the
like the unsettled feeling crept back in. But I still
felt less panicky than I had.
Speaker 2: Well, Thank goodness. Anything that you can point to and
say was a positive, We'll definitely take that anytime. She
and and Umanezer wants to know. Was hanging its head
down like a dog's, like dogs do when they were
approaching someone scared.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of like like I said he was, he
was sort of hunched over. I don't think he ever
even when standing up on his two leg on two legs,
I don't feel like he ever completely stood up straight.
He was hunched over and had his head down. It
was it was like I said he was, like it
felt like he was trying to look smaller and less menacing.
Speaker 2: To me, sounds like that Doledomy was trying to cater
to you, like you said, to make it so that
you weren't any more afraid than necessary. Thank goodness for that.
Like I said, it could be a lot worse. He
can have one that wants to frighten the dickens out
of you.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: You know, we'll take this kind any day. And Conzell
wants to know if you see him again, would you
consider asking him his name? Or is that too dangerous
to be so familiar.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think I would ever see him again, because,
like I said, this took place where my mom still
I am not close with my mom. I don't really
have much of a reason to go there. I've only
been back, like I said, maybe three or four times.
And I now live in Florida, and everything has changed
so much over there. It's no longer just woods and farmland.
It's now tons of neighborhoods and businesses and restaurants, and
it's it's not the same place it was those fourteen
years ago. So I highly doubt I would ever see him.
But even the couple times that I have been back
there at my mom's house. I've never gone back down
to that area or anything. I just stayed close to
the house, even like when I was like taking the
dog out or something. While I was there, I didn't
go further than like the next cul de sac over
in the center of the neighborhood. Like, I never left
concrete and buildings. Guy stayed well way away, well away
from any of the what would have what was left
of the wooded area, not that there was much left anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a really good idea. I'm glad you didn't
go back. Yeah, I definitely have got too much weight
on the young back, So thank goodness, bravo. Johnny wants
to know if any orbs were cited, wouldn't you have
that encounter?
Speaker 3: No, not that I noticed. I mean i've seen orbs before,
you know, Like I said, I've had my fair share
of other you know, supernatural things like as far as
ghosts and things. But no, I didn't notice any orbs
when I was faced with this dog man that day.
Speaker 2: The reason why he's asking is it's not isolated for
a dog man eyewitness or a sasquatch eye witness to
report seeing orbs. Right before or after their encounter. So
I think that's what's behind that question.
Speaker 3: Gotcha. No, And then, like I said, I I was
in so much pain and thought I was I was
trying not to pass out anyway that there might have
been things that I was missing before this thing came out.
Like I felt like I was about to go down,
and that's why I sat down and was trying to
like get myself together, and then that was when this
thing stepped out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just trying to hold it together as understandable.
Dress Carrizals. Carozales wants to know. You said that your
mother believes in the non physical part of paranormal like ghosts,
but dismisses the physical part like Bigfoot. Did you think
he wants to know? Did you ask her why she
does that? No?
Speaker 3: I didn't. It's hard, like it's hard to talk to
my mom about anything. She just she thinks she's right
about everything and anything. And so I sure as peck
wasn't about to let her know that I saw this
and that have her, you know, questioning this. It just
I've had enough arguments with her about many many a
thing in my lifetime, so it just it wasn't worth
it to bring up something like this whether Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't blame you. I'm sure it wouldn't have been
well received, so not at all. Yeah, like I said,
who blames you? Who could blame you for not doing that?
Julie A. Thurston wants to know, Nicole, you have all
the support in the world right here. Thank you for
breaking out of your comfort zone and sharing your experience
with this. I guess it's more of a comment than
a question, but that's awfully nice of you, Julie.
Speaker 3: Pressure than thank you, Julie, I really do appreciate that.
I've been, you know, walking around for years with this
and nobody's ever taken me seriously. And you know, it's
been to the point where I questioned it and thought,
you know, maybe it was just the pain, maybe when
I was about to pass out, maybe I started hallucinating
or something, you know, but I did see it. I
saw what I saw, and then it only you know,
further confirmed it. You know, by the time you know,
I got home, I had medicine, I was doing better,
and saw it yet again at night. So whenever I
start to doubt myself, I'm like, well, you saw it again,
so that's your confirmation right there.
Speaker 2: That's right. I'm glad you do that. Yeah, you're right.
You definitely saw it, and that's all there is to it.
Audisia Samber wants to know where its ears on the
top of its head or on the sides of its head. Also,
she wants to know do you think it was a
dog man or a werewolf? Of course, a werewolf being
a person who had sheep shifted into that form.
Speaker 3: Its ears were on the top of its head. They
were very long and pointy, like like a crop like
Doberman ear. I mean, I assumed now learning about dog man,
I think it was a dog man. At the time,
I thought it was a were wolf because that was
the only thing I knew, you know, to go off of.
There was nothing else I had ever come across other
than movie were wolf, so that was what I thought.
But also at the same time, I didn't really think
that there were people transforming into wolves, you know. I
just thought that's just what you called this wolf like creature,
was a werewolf, you know. But no, I think now
that I've learned about them, I think it was a
dog man.
Speaker 2: That was a good way to answer it. It looks
like Gamber has another question. She wants to know, was
the dialogue in your head male female or your voice?
I think you already clarified that it wasn't an actual
voice that you heard in your head talking to you.
It was your inner monologue that was taken over exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't hear like a specific, like foreign voice. It
was just it was like something controlled my thoughts and also,
you know, it seemed to control my emotions because it
made me feel calmer as it was doing this, and
it just kind of took over that inner monologue. So
it was just like any normal thought running through my head,
except this time it was like this thing's way of
communicating with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot to wrap your mind around. Daniel
Williams wants to know what do you do to stay
so grounded all the time.
Speaker 3: I don't think I understand.
Speaker 2: Well, it seems like you're really staying level headed when
you think about your encounters, and that's why you're able
to deal so well with them. Of Course, you have
some hang ups, but that's to be expected when you
have an encounter like the ones you had, and it's
proven to you with your own two eyes that things
like this exist but all in all a big picture,
you're dealing very well with those encounters, you really are,
and I think he just wants to know how you're
able to deal with them.
Speaker 3: So well, Oh thank you. Like I said, I grew
up in a haunted house and that made me much
more open minded to just the unknown and things in general.
I had some very scary experiences in my own house
growing up, absolutely terrifying. I only spent one night completely
by myself in that house, and I would never do
it again. To this day, I have nightmares about that house.
But I've only had maybe one or two nightmares about
my dog man experience. Honestly. Now, like I said, you know,
I'll go out into the woods, or my dog might
make a certain expression, or even today, I was walking
out of the kitchen into the living room and there
was a movie trailer on for a new werewolf movie
that's coming out, and I saw that werewolf and I
was like, whoa that that looks like the dog man
I saw. I was like, man, that's that person must
have actually seen one, because that's crazy, and that sent
chills up my spine. But yeah, I've had some pretty
scary experiences from from a child, like from a baby, honestly,
So this was just a new, terrifying thing, and with
how it acted, it was less scary than some of
the things I've had happen. It was just new and
unusual and unexpected because I didn't know such a thing existed.
So that was just the only difference.
Speaker 2: Really, Well, I can only imagine what you must have
experienced in that house. That's awfully intense. It's one thing
to go out and have experiences like this, but when
you're having these frightening experiences, terrifying experiences and encounters in
your own home, that is horrible. Don't know how you
do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, I still have nightmares, and I'm
talking like every other night. I have nightmares, and I
have full blown night terrors. I wake up screaming. Sometimes
I have sleep paralysis. I'll wake up and see things,
and that scares my husband more than anything with some
of my reactions in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: Oh bet, Yeah, you're sleeping next to someone and they
wake up screaming. Yes, it's not a good way to
wake up. Yeah, huh, that freaking anyone out? It looks
like Cody laughing wolf, Hey, Cody he's got the next question,
or I guess it's a comment. He's saying, your sounds
almost exactly like Sasha, that's a female dog woman that
he came on the show twice and talked about his
encounters with. He wants to know. Do you think they're
the same type. It's good to be wary.
Speaker 3: I've at actually listen to Cody's stories, and from the
sound of it, they do sound very similar.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, they just might be a mean yours
just might have been a female. I wouldn't be surprised.
All we can do is guess, of course, but you know,
like I said, it wouldn't be surprised in the least.
This next question is from the light seeker. He wants
to know or she wants to know. Was there a
full moon out that night?
Speaker 3: I don't remember. The first encounter I had was like
late afternoon, early evening, and then that night, you know,
when I saw it, I didn't take note. I can't remember. Honestly,
I should, honestly probably look at a calendar from around
that time period and see if I can pinpoint when
it was and if there was one that night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please don't feel bad about not remembering because, like
I said, you had so much on your mind at
the time, no one can fault you for not paying
attention to what the moon's like. Wh So I get it,
I do, And the tig chick wants to know. I'm
looking at your weld here, tig chicken looks like it
needs a little more heat. Well, anyway, Tigchick wants to know.
Thank you, Nicole for sharing. Did your dog's behavior change
after that encounter? More protective with you or more needy
with you?
Speaker 3: She didn't really get more protect as I'd say, like
she just wasn't the type of dog to challenge anything.
She was just a complete sweetheart. She was still very
friendly to everybody, though ironically she got a bit more adventurous,
which was odd because she was so afraid that day.
But there got to the point where, like if you
opened the door and you weren't paying attention, she'd out
and take off running and you'd have to go chase
her down. And I mean she'd go out there and
get out in the cow pastures and in the woods
and stuff. So I don't know if if she decided
she had a new buddy or what, but you know,
she came, would always come back safe and sound.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, thank goodness for that. Sounds like a
really sweet dog she was, and I just hate that.
Do you have anything happening to her back then?
Speaker 3: She sure was. We lost her about five years ago.
She finally met her match with a rattlesnake unfortunately, so
that was devastating. She was a she was a good dog.
But she lived a long, happy life and she was
well loved.
Speaker 2: Wollw How old was she?
Speaker 3: Let's see, I I'm thirty four now, passed away out
five years ago, so I was twenty nine and I
got her when I was sixteen, when I six sxteenth
birthday present, so about thirteen years.
Speaker 2: I reckon she was Wow. Yeah, that's a long life.
I definitely hate to hear that she died because of
the rattlesnake bite, but you had a time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank.
Speaker 2: Goodness for that. This next question is from Keitln McLeod
and Keaitlyn wants to know, Sugar, how is this experience
going to affect your life from this point?
Speaker 3: Don Well, I mean, ever since that day, I've definitely
been more cautious when I go out and about in
the woods and whatnot. I'll admit the first few months
after it happened, I didn't really go wandering about anymore.
The rest of the time that I was still living
at my mother's house, I never went back out, like
as far as taking my dog out and stuff. We
stayed like in my mom's fence backyard, and our exercise
consisted of, you know, playing with free v's and balls
stuff like that. I didn't go out of my way
to take her elsewhere other than you know, just within
the my mom's neighborhood. And I'm still cautious. I'll venture
around the places around our house now and stuff, and
I'm just very way more alert, and I know that
there's things out there now. But other than that, I
just I keep on keep on going. I don't want
to like let it, you know, cripple me from living life, obviously.
And I'm just thankful that I found this community, obviously,
because for years and years I was basically living in
silence and felt sort of crazy and misunderstood. And I'm
just thankful to have somewhere I can go now and
people to communicate with that are going to understand what
I went through.
Speaker 2: Well, it goes without saying I'm so glad that you
know you you've got all the support and you've got
this community around you. Speaking of the sense of community,
do you think it'd help you if you could compare
notes with Cody and that way you could kind of
talk about the possibility, of course, that the one you
saw was a female. Of course, the one that he's
been interacting with his female. You've listened to it shows.
Do you think it would help you if you could
speak with him and compare notes that way?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, sure, Like I would love any more information
and to be able to share experiences with somebody else,
especially somebody that seemed to encounter a very similar type
of dog man. So yeah, I think that would be
really helpful.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought it might be. But I'm going to
contact Cody off air and ask him about that and
talk with him about that, and if he's gained for
doing that, then you'll just help you coordinate that conversation
and that way you can take it from there. And
of course, if he's too busy to do that, or
if he doesn't want to do that, then I can
definitely peer you up with other eyewitnesses. But one way
or the other, we'll see this through count on.
Speaker 3: That sounds good, all right.
Speaker 2: The next question is from Andra's Carizales and Andres wants
to know when the dog man controlled your inner words,
did you get the sense that it was old? Asking
because of the color of fur? Oh, I see what
he's asking. When the dog man controlled your inner words,
did you get the sense that it was old? I'm
asking because of the color of its fur, oh.
Speaker 3: Because of it being a gray one? I honestly don't know.
I didn't really get a sense either way, and just
going off, you know, like looking at it, it didn't
I mean, that was gray, but it didn't necessarily look old.
But not that I have anything to compare it to really,
other than you know, like my old dog tiger who's
like going in the face. It wasn't like one like that.
It was still dark. It was a very dark gray
with almost like a blueness to it. It didn't have
like those like faded fur features to like its face
or anything that I could see.
Speaker 2: I see. Yeah, I mean, you've got young dog men
that are gray, So that's no guarantee that it's old.
It's a possibility it was old because of that, But yeah,
I guess We're never going to know the answer to that.
It really won't. The next one up is from Michigan
Meat Eater, and he wants to know did it look
natural on two legs or unsteady? Slash not used to it?
Speaker 3: Oh? No, it was. It was very natural looking, like
it just strolled right out of there this which made
it like even more unsettling, because I mean, it stepped
right out of that woodline, just on two feet, and
it just looked like you or me just walking around.
It was I mean, obviously not the look of it,
but it seemed very comfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a funny thing about these guys. Some of
them look unsteady on two legs and others they come
out like a boss.
Speaker 3: So it seemed like it only really got down on
all fours when it was getting closer to me. Like,
like I said, it seemed like it was trying to
make itself look smaller, because mostly when it moved, it
got up on two legs. When it was on all fours,
it just sort of kind of scooted towards me. So
it seemed more comfortable on two legs. To be honest, that.
Speaker 2: Still had to be awfully frightening the fact that it
was just moving towards your period. So, like I said before,
you deserve a lot of credit for holding it together
the way you did not easy at all. Now, for
this next question, I'm going to preface it by saying, yeah,
you already admitted that you've had ongoing nightmares because of
the haunted house experiences. But the light Seeker wants to know,
and they're asking obviously about your dog meaning encounters there.
Have you had any nightmares since the incident.
Speaker 3: I've had a couple of dog man related nightmares, Like
I said, not many, like maybe only two or three,
And they weren't even necessarily like like a reenactment of
that day. It was it's just been kind of like
I've been somewhere and I see a dog man. One
of them. One of the dreams I had it was
like attacking me in the car, and a couple other
times was was kind of just seeing it more so
at a distance. So the true nightmare was the one
of me like being attacked in a car. But I
think I had also like I have been doing research
around that time, and so I was also coming across
some different stories. Oh, and I had a dream because
I heard a story where this girl said that she
was like in her bed and there was one trying
to get her to open the door, Like there was
a glass window and it was looking into her bedroom
and was trying to get her to come to the door.
It was like motioning for her. And I had a
nightmare where I was in that scenario. But yeah, that's
the the ones I can remember the most. I know.
I had like a couple more, but they was just
like kind of seeing them at a distance.
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness, you evn't had a collection of them,
just a few, Yeah, yeah, thank goodness. Or that. The
next one is from bon Jasso and Bond wants to know,
do you think it was tribal? Well, I guess he means,
do you think it was a tribal thing or just
a crazy or just crazy encounters?
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know. I don't think like as far
as like that lands there, I don't know if if
it has any ties like the Native American Americans there
or anything like that. I've never had another encounter. I've
I don't know of anybody around the area having an encounter,
at least nobody I've talked to, the closest thing I've
had is my brother had something to tap on his
window one night that I didn't talk to him too
much about it because my brother's a lot younger than me.
He's only just now turned thirteen and I'm thirty four,
So this happened when he was smaller, and I didn't
really want to startle him, and he didn't see anything anyway.
He has like blackout curtains and he didn't open the window,
So who's to say what it was or who it was?
Speaker 2: You know, how long do you think you're going to
wait before you go into great detail with him about
your experiences.
Speaker 3: Until probably when he's an adult and away from my mom.
She has him homeschooled and he's attached to her twenty
four seven. I wasn't really raised by her. I was
raised by my grandparents, and he's having a very different
upbringing than what I had, So he's being raised to
see things more her way. So it'd just be easier
to communicate with him about these things when he's not
under her thumb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see a lot of problems with you
trying to communicate with him about this when he's with her.
Sounds like she's pretty controlling.
Speaker 3: To be honest, I only stay in touch because of him.
It's just for me to be able to be there
for my little brother, you know. So I don't want
to rock the boat too soon, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I get it, I really do. No more.
Funland wants to know. Do you think it sends your
extreme pain and showed itself to check on you out
of concern?
Speaker 3: I could see doing that because I mean, like my
dogs now, they I mean they know when whenever I'm
having like issues and going through different phases of a
cycle and having different levels of pain and whatnot, And
I know dogs are sensitive to that, so I'm sure
a dog man would be. Or maybe I mean I
wasn't paying attention to that woodline beforehand. Maybe it just
saw me sit down on the bridge and thought, what
the heck is she doing? You know, and it just
came over out of curiosity.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there are a lot of reasons why it
might have come out and did what it did, But
all we can do is guess. We're never gonna know.
Sticky Sweet wants to know. Do you think they're evil
by nature?
Speaker 3: I honestly, I don't know. I don't know. If you
would call them evil, I just feel like there's something
that's that's here and from you know, from what I've learned,
I've never really heard anything about them until very recently,
so I feel like they tried to just stay away
from us, do their thing and let us do ours.
So I don't feel like they have to go out
of their way to be you know, quote unquote evil
to us unless we wander into the wrong wrong part.
The dog man I saw was seemed caring towards me.
It acted like it was concerned and wanted to help.
I don't know if that was genuine, if it wanted
me to continue to come back or what, But I
don't I don't feel we can truly just label it
as just you know, it's not like a mindless evil
being obviously. I mean, this thing was intelligent, and the
other stories I've heard they're they're definitely intelligent and they
know what they're doing, and some go out of their
way to terrorize people and some just want you to
get out of their way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely hard to think for these guys. There's
really no way to do it. If you think what
hard it is to think for people it's no wonder
that you can't think for these guys. The next question
is from g L. James, and they want to know
has Nicole suffered from many migraines after the encounter.
Speaker 3: I do. I have very very bad migraines, but they
also run in my family, and they also are very
prone with women who have endometriosis like I do, and
they tend to occur at certain times with me, like
every single month. So, but and they didn't start until
maybe five or six years ago for me. So it's
not something I'd been dealing with, you know, like right
after the encounter or anything. It's just kind of as
my health has gotten worse with my INDO stuff that
I've had more extreme symptoms and things like that start
to happen. So I really don't think if it has
anything to do with the dog man. I think it
just has to do with that.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Well, no matter what the cause for that, I'm
so sorry to hear you have to go through that.
Thank you, Well, you're welcome. Yeah, I just want the
best for you. I've got one more comment for you,
and it's actually from Cody. Cody's message is Nicole, I'm
glad you're talking about this. I'm sorry it scared you.
Not everyone can have encounters like Sasha and I. If
you ever want to talk, I'm open. So there's the
answer right there. After the show, I'm gonna contact him. Well,
I still have a lot of work to do tonight
to prep this show and everything, so I might not
be able to send Cody a message until tomorrow, but
rest assured I will contact him to try and coordinate
this conversation between the two of you.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. I really appreciate that. Thank you, Cody, and
thank you Vic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good man. I'm not surprised he's doing this,
not surprised at all. Well, before we get out of
here and Nicole, do you have any closing comments you'd
like to put out there for us?
Speaker 3: I just want to say that I'm really, really glad
I found this community. I really want to think it
was it Tiffany and her daughter Mattie. I heard your
show last week and hearing Maddie speak about it, I thought, well,
if Maddie can come on here and talk about this,
then I want to. I just I want to do
this too. She was She was like, you know, she
gave me, this this stepping stone to want to be brave.
I was like, if this little girl can do this,
I need to be brave too. And so the next
day I contacted Vic and he got in touch with
me very shortly after. And this has just all been
really eye opening and I'm and if anybody that's listening
to this, if you're like me and you didn't know
what you saw, or you're just learning about these things
and you need somebody to talk to, please don't hesitate
to contact Vic. He will truly help you. And this
community just seems so wonderful. And again I'm just so
grateful to found it. So if you please don't hesitate.
If you want to reach out, go ahead and do it.
Don't let anything stop you.
Speaker 2: Well, like I told you before, I'm so glad you
did find out about this community, and of course about
me as well. And here he had all this apprehension
about coming on and you knocked it out of the
park tonight. I knew you could do it. I really did,
thank you.
Speaker 3: I was very nervous, and I think a lot of
I like excitement when telling the story was just was
more of the stage fright than from the reliving the
dog Man.
Speaker 2: Honestly, well, that happens. I mean I've told people who
are nervous before shows of ear that it's totally normal.
I mean, I've had people come on the show who
this show even, who have their own podcasts, and they're
so nervous before we started recording, you could pretty much
hear them shake. So it's trust me, it's not just you.
If people who host their own podcasts can get that nervous,
then I mean it's only normal for someone who doesn't
do this to get nervous like that, So that's no biggie.
And besides that, like I said, you knocked it out
of the park tonight. I mean, you put an excellent
explanation out there of your encounters for us, and your
answers for all these questions were spot on, So you
didn't leave anything wanting. You didn't.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad to think thank you well.
Speaker 2: You're welcome. You are welcome. Well. Having said all that, Nicole,
like I said, I'm so glad you reached out. And
if you ever need any help from me, all you
have to do is just let me know, and by
all means, I'll schedule another conversation with you. To find
out what's ailing you in. Well take it from there.
But having said all that, thanks Against so much for
coming on and have a great night.
Speaker 3: Thank you you too, by everyone.
Speaker 2: You're welcome, take care all right, that's another one in
the books. Everyone, thanks Against so much for all of
your support for these eyewitnesses. Is you can hear it
definitely makes a difference and for that I can't thank
you enough. One last thing before you get out of here.
If you've had a dog mean encounter or dog me
in encounters of your own and you'd like to reach
out to me for help, or maybe you want to
come on the show and share your experience or experiences
with dog men with the listeners, well all you would
need to do is just to go to Dogmanencounters dot
com and submit a report. And if you do that
then I'll contact you to schedule a phone conversation. Then
we'll take it from there. But yeah, I can't thank
you enough. Like I said, for all of your support,
I really do appreciate it and hope you all have
a great weekend and a great night.