Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and forty seven, originally published
on July twenty ninth, twenty fourteen.
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Speaker 3: It goes from the realm of yes, I could make
a home one too, how's it going to happen? What
do you do? Is what I call shrinking the green. Well,
let's say you're playing to a green that is circle
and the flag is in the back left of the green.
If you were to draw a little cross on that
green to making four quadrants, and that pin happens to
be in the upper left quadrant, I want you to
shrink the green as if it's just that quadrant. And
what that does is it takes your focus from being
a very wide area to a more specific area around
the whole. And with practice, that area can get smaller
and smaller, and so you're focusing on a very small
part of the green. Eventually just the.
Speaker 1: Whole the Frustrated Golfer's Handbook with Darren Gee.
Speaker 3: This is Golf Smarter.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Golf Smarter, Darren.
Speaker 3: Aloha for Red. How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm fine and happy to hear aloha again.
Speaker 3: I wish you were here in Hawaii with me. I
could say it in person, but well, that's clear, you're
only twenty five hundred miles away, so pop skipping a.
Speaker 1: Jump my fore would I think that would be just sufficient?
Would be the forewood on that one?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, I yes, I would love to be there with you,
and hopefully someday we will. I would always love to
get a group of Golf Smarter listeners to meet me
in Hawaii and do the academy with you, and then
to go see you know, we have other golf instructors there,
and it would just be so much fun to just
kind of bounce around taking lessons and playing golf together.
Speaker 3: All right, let's let's plan on it.
Speaker 1: All right. Send you letters, click on the hey Fred
button if you want to meet me in Hawaii, and
we'll figure out a date. Sometimes in twenty fifteen, maybe
we'll do episode number five hundred. Ooh, maybe we'll do
episode number five hundred and two thousand right island on
the Big Island. That would be a trip. Awesome. Oh wow, okay,
that's a great idea. Anyway, yeah please, Okay, So folks
start writing to me. Now. Episode number five hundred is
going to be on August. We're now just about hit August,
August fourth, twenty fifteen. It's on a Tuesday. We can
record it, we can record it before then, but we'll
publish it as number five hundred. And I would love
to celebrate with you because it's my birthday. But it
would love to celebrate that with you. So start writing
to me and see if we can get a couple
of people interested in going to Hawaii together in next summer. Awesome,
great idea. Thank you Darren for the invitation. You know
you committed to, don't you.
Speaker 3: I better put that on my calendar somewhere around.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and we'll get Jim Waldron out there too. So congratulations,
you have a new book. We've we've featured the first
two books on our in our golfers martt golf smarter
dot com. The uh the seven Personalities, the various seven
Personalities of golf right the first two, yep, and now
you have a new one, which after buzzing through it,
and that's the best part about it. You can buzz
through this book. It belongs, it really does belong in
every golfer's golf bag and in their bathroom. But and
I'll tell you why, because so like these, it's a
lot of chapters. It's called the Frustrated Golfer's Handbook, which
is perfect, and there's a lot of very short chapters
and goes directly to the issue. And I I was
playing last weekend, I was really struggling. I was upset
with myself. And then I got your book that night
off of Amazon, and I opened it up and I
saw the chapters and wait, wait, that's my problem today.
And so I read that chapter in you know, thirty
five seconds type thing, and then all of a sudden,
the next two rounds, I was back to like, okay,
all good again, Thank you, Darren. It was great. So yeah,
I talk about the book.
Speaker 3: Well, the title the kind of sums up the life
of a golfer, The Frustrated Golfer's Handbook. And I think
every golfer, whether you are the number one player in
the world or you've just picked up a club for
the very first time, experiences a bit of rush with
this game.
Speaker 1: At some point, Oh, how generous of you to say a.
Speaker 3: I've been very kind there. At some point. It might
be from the very first swing or so. But you know,
I thought to myself, and you know, after working with
thousands of golfers at the golf academy, at my golf
academy here in Hois, I realize that there is a gap,
a gap between what you know you're capable of doing
and what you're actually doing. And so the key there
is what you're capable of because you've done it before,
you've hit that shot, you know your body can do it,
but you don't do it every time. So that gap
is where the frustration lies. And usually that gap is
caused not by the equipment or your actual swing. It's
usually a mental thing, a mental error, something that's causing
you to tighten that something that's distracting you, something that's
causing this turmoil within. And you know, golf is a
funny game. It's the one game where there's really no
opponent that's trying to do anything to you in terms
of guarding you or distracting you. It's really yourself. And
so that's what was the impetus for writing this, And
I thought, okay, I love books that explain a lot
of detail, but I also like books that can give
you the quick fix, you know, something that you can
look at and glance and, like you said, in thirty
five seconds or less, see what the analyze your issue,
say yeah, that's that's what it is, and give you
a solution. And that's what this is all about. So
it's really designed, like you said to you know, flip
through the table of contents front through a book, you
can actually just kind of flip through the pages and
go to one of the fifty mental golf tricks and
see how it impacts your game. And again it's for
low handicappers, it's for pure beginners and everyone in between.
Speaker 1: And it's two sections, Part one, part two each are
twenty five chapters, so it really there's fifty different issues
that you really you just look at it and go, yep,
that's what I had a problem with and and go
right to it and read it. And it's calming, it's helpful,
it's direct. It's so direct and to the point, and
you just sit there and go oh.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and a lot of the things are. Some
of them are. It will be like a big aha,
it's like, oh, I never really thought about that, but
that's that applies to me. And for some it's just
a really something you forget about, something that you take
for granted, and you're like, oh, yeah, that makes a
whole lot of sense. And I think that's what makes
it so great is that. And that's the feedback we're
getting from people who've picked up the book and people
that have come to the Golf Academy and have used
a lot of the mental golf trips, they say, you
know that one really just applied to me at that
given moment when I was playing the round. Another say, yet,
and then another one was really helpful when I was
in the club championship. So it really is about giving
you all the different tools. And that's something that I
talk a lot about with folks that I work with
on their golf game, is that you want to have
a bag of tricks, you know, a tool bag of
tricks that you can just pull out when you need it.
It's just like your tool bag at home. You know,
sometimes you'll need one tool to do certain thing, and
another one, and it's nice to have them all accessible.
And that's what this is all about. And you mentioning
that it's something you can throw in your in your
golf bag, and that's that's why I called it a handbook.
It's something that you you know, hopefully by the time
you you grab the book, it's going to be all
kind of tattered and warned because you've been using it constantly.
And it's nice and light and you can throw it
right into your in your bag.
Speaker 1: Well, it's even either. I wanted to mend after I
said it and started listening to you, I was like, no, no, no,
you don't need to put it in your golf bag.
Just put it on your phone.
Speaker 3: That's right, you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's downloadable, it's a there's an e book version
of it. I have it on my phone and now
because of the kindleap, I have it now on my iPad.
I have it on my phone, and so like the
other day, as I was flipping through it, I went
directly to chapter forty three. Okay, I just I mean,
I read the introduction, you know, find out more because
I knew I wanted to talk to you again. But
I was like, okay, how to finish in balance. I
was having trouble that day and I found myself, you know,
falling away after my shots and just not being on
my feet after I finished. So I went directly to
that chapter. Okay, I read it, now I want to
hear it from you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So basically chapter forty three is about how to
finish a balance And it's a concept that I use
that's helpful for a lot of things. And it's starting
with the end in mind. And you've heard that before
in a lot of different programs. Stephen Covey talked about
it in the seventh Habits of Successful Peak. Well, is
that if you start in your mind with how you
want to finish, that helps you actually get through the
emotion emotion to get there. So what I tell people,
instead of starting, you know, setting up to the ball,
start with your finish. How would you finish a perfect swing.
You'd be in balance, you'd be looking straight down the
fair way at where your ball ends up. And so
if you start with that in mind and then you
actually do it, what should What it does is it
sets a trigger a series of events that helps you
create that. So if you start with that finish. Then
you start your back swing and then finish and go
all the way through to the finish again, you'll find
your balance in much much better shape. And the way
I look at it, if someone finishes their swing and balance,
then they had the balance throughout the entire swing and
they probably struck the ball pretty darn well.
Speaker 1: So when you're saying start with your finish, are you
saying mentally a mental picture in your head, or as
you're taking your warm up swings, start out by being
in a finished position and realize what you want to
feel like there.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a little it's both actually, So a lot
of these exercises are equally powerful sitting at home reading
about as actually doing so I talk a lot about
this with again with people, is the actual reading of
the book and visualizing yourself doing it is almost as
powerful as doing it itself. Okay, so this is a
very strong concept to use, and you know, they've done
a lot of tests. They've done it actually with a
lot of Olympic athletes where they have them do their
exercise and they hook them up to you know, all
the they read their brain, their heart rate and so forth,
blood pressure and when they're doing their their actual you know,
activity or event. They measure all those those different areas
and then they have them sit in a dark room,
close their eyes. They hook them up again, and then
they have them visualized doing that same event, start to finish,
and then when they match up the data, it's almost
exactly the same. So there's power in just visualizing and
reading it and doing it as as equal as powerful
as doing it itself. So I say do both. And
for a lot of folks, you know, you don't get
to play golf year round. You know you're maybe in
a winter area. Fortunately, here in Hawaii we don't have winter,
so that's quite nice. But so if you're if you
do live in a place where there is winter, come
join us out here and during your dark months. But
you could just by by visualizing doing this. It's equally
powerful because it triggers the same types of feelings and
muscle twinges, if you will, in your body. So that
being said, if you are on the range or even
at home, you know, take a club and get in
that finished position like you said, and feel that balance
as if you just struck a perfect shot down the fairway.
And then from that finished position you can actually start
your golf swing. So normally you would set up to
the ball and start your golf swing and your backswing
from a finished position, you can start your back swing
and then finish again and getting in that same balance position,
it's equally powerful.
Speaker 1: The chapter before forty two is how to keep your balance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so a lot of people this whole full
section here on balance, and you know, there's a little
subsection within these fifty in which I talk about how
important balance is. And I think that is something that
people take for granted in the game of golf. So
a lot of people may have, you know, a beautiful swing.
They you know, they might have the right the right
equipment that fits them and so forth. But if they're
all centered, even by a hair, that causes them to
mishit the ball. And as we know, golf is about
hitting that sweet spot. So even if you're off by
a fraction of an inch here and there, that's probably
causing you know, mishits and so forth. So we talk
about being in balance and being centered throughout the golf swing.
So number forty two talks about how do you do that.
A lot of people are out there and there you
see them kind of swaying and moving in all different directions.
One little trick that I like to do is there's
the center of your body that right in the aftom
and right below the belly button. And if you've ever
done any martial arts, they talk a lot about that
area of your body right below your belly button. That's
where your powers emanates from. You talk to a boxer,
that's where they actually punch from right there, and that
is where you also can keep your center during the
golf swing. So what I tell people is imagine a
bungee cord connected from your belt buckle down to the
tee or the area right below the ball. Now, with
a bungee cord, it stretches, but it also keeps. You know,
there's a little spring to it, so as you turn,
you're still connected to that sweet to that point where
the ball is through the bungee cord. But with the
with the whoa, hey, there's our friend. Okay, there's our mascot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly, that's the dog. That's my dog. Tea
green tree. I'm sorry to interrupt.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, yep, Well, I beg your dog liked this one.
So that's it. That was the gallery of plotting. So yeah,
so basically the budget, but the bungee cord does it.
It keeps you centered, keeps you connected, keeps you balanced
throughout the entire swing, even through your backswing and the
follow through. So it's a very powerful tool because if
a lot of people say, well how can I keep centered?
And if you if you're too richid you you say, oh,
it's just like you know, a pole holding you, then
you you're not you'd lose the flexibility. But the nice
thing about a bunch of cord you can use that
imagery of it's being flexible for you to make your turn,
but also keeps you connected at the same time. It's
a great tool to maintain balance. And again the goal
is strike that ball in the sweet spot. You know
when I get there, and then it goes where you
want it to go.
Speaker 1: I don't want to dispute you. You said golf is
about hitting the sweet spot. I think golf is more
about recovering from your mistakes in your errors. Well, it's
funny because a series of disasters, like life, golf is
just a series of disasters, and it's it's about how
you handle it. I mean, you talk about the metal
game all the time. I mean, isn't it really how
you handle it, because you're going to have more I
mean people at you know, players at my level and
what you know, like like this that are amateurs and
out for fun. I think it's more we have more
shots that were frustrated over than that we're really happy about.
But thankfully there are four or five shots around that,
especially in the eighteenth hole always it makes it go okay,
I want to come back, but the rest but the
rest of the day is being a frustrated golfer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that sums it up for any level.
I mean even you know, the top guys on tour
when they go and they play around, even when they
play a great, great round, it's not one hundred percent perfect.
Oftentimes they'll say, you hear the interviews and from the
guys and gals after it around, they'll say, you know,
I struck the ball pretty well, but you know, there's
this theory I can work on in that area that
can work on and like you said, and the same
goes for the weekend golfer. You might hit two or
three really great shots and the rest are not, as
you know, not to your desire. So really it's all
about how you handle that. I agree with you one
hundred percent, Fred, It's about managing your your yourself around
the golf course and recovering from each shot. And the
way you do it is you just focus on one shot,
that next shot. You can't dwell on the past too much.
I tell people learn from what you've done, the good
and the bad and unfortunately sometimes the ugly. But when
you get to the next shot, it's a new, brand,
new beginning and that one could be the best. So
I kind of tell people you got a blank the slate,
blank the slate every time you step up to the
next shot and start fresh from there and again then
you move on to the next one. So it's a
series of really handling those different ups and downs of
around and the people that can do that actually end
up playing the best. It's funny. Sometimes you'll go out
and you'll get matched up with someone you don't know,
and and you know you played around the golf and
the really really good players you don't really notice them.
You know, they hit a shot and then they if
it's not a great shot, then they don't make a
big fuss about it, and then they you know they
they treat the next one and recover, but they're not
always tee to green, hitting every fairway every green, but
how they handle themselves and that is the major difference
between you know, playing to your potential and being frustrated,
is that you handle those different situations and the adversity
that you face similar to like life. I agree with
you on that on too, Fred.
Speaker 1: So do you mind if we I just pick random
chapters throughout the book and we can get your take
on each of these and why you choose to put
that in the book.
Speaker 3: You bet, you bet awesome.
Speaker 1: Okay, So then tell me first, what is it that
separates part one from part two? What's the content difference
that you decided you needed twenty five chapters on this
in twenty five chapters on that?
Speaker 3: Well, I think golfers look for ways to improve their
game in many different ways. And you think about it.
We spend part of our golf seeing time on the
golf course, but we spend a lot of it on
the range as well. So I divided it into two sections.
One is what you could do while you're playing, because
that's when you need it in the heat of battle,
if you will, And what you can do to improve
your game when you're not playing and you're off the
golf course, and that includes actually, you know, being on
the drive having range, but also what do you do
in preparation other than being on the driving range. So
one of the exercises I talk about is is how
can you play you know, a great round of golf
is before you even get up there. And I say, well,
it's got to sleep, And people like, what a what
are you talking about? Well, the night before, when before
you play around the golf while you're going to sleep,
just you know, close your eyes and visualize yourself playing
that round, that great round the next morning. And something
that all great athletes do is they visualize themselves in
that heat of battle, if you will, playing the great game,
doing great you know, making great shots, great passes, everything clicking,
and they see where they want to be. So going
to sleep is one of the exercises that you can
do off the golf course and visualize yourself hitting great
shot after great shot, and it actually sets the tone
for the next morning. Number four get I divided it
on the golf course and off the golf course.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, no, that makes sense. But then I want
to say, you know, you talk about the visualization Number
fourteen is how to visualize what you can't see? What
does that mean? And where are you driving at here? H?
I get it.
Speaker 3: Well, this is in reference to reading greens. So my
golf academy, a lot of folks come up and say,
you know, I really have a hard time reading greens.
I can't see the breaks. In fact, I just worked
with a woman a week ago Tuesday, and she says,
you know, I really don't see all the subtleties that
are out here. And so what I teach people is
that it really is all just a guessing game. So
the people that read the greens, they're guessing as to
how the ball might get from A to B where
the ball is now and into the hole. And so
what I tell people is that even if you can't see,
if you don't visualize a line, or if you're very
good at usually but you're not sure, you can trick
yourself into actually creating a line. And so what I
tell people is, this is like if I was to
give you, let's say, a thousand bucks, to come up
with a path that you think the ball will follow
from A to B, A being where your ball is
and B being the hole. I'll give you a thousand
bucks and I just want you to, you know, take
a take, take your putter and trace a line, you know,
any line. What would you do? Okay, And just that
little impetus of saying, you know, don't try to you know,
don't overread it. You're not trying to read a green
and get the ball, mall. Just draw a line. And
literally people will go up there who have no idea
what it's going to do, and they draw a path
and they might draw a straight line or a curve line,
depending on what they think it's going to do. That
in their mind says, oh, I get it. Now there's
a connection between where I am and where I want
to be. And so that's why I tell people, if
you can't see a line, fake it. Draw a line
in your mind. And I often like to talk about,
you know, it's imagine if you had a marker, you
could draw a line, or you had talk and you
could drop a chalk line to from from the ball
to the hole. What would that look like? And just
by doing that, that gives you the confidence to step
up and hit that ball along that path. And even
if you know you're great at reading greens and experience
that it. You know, nothing is saying that what you
read is going to be a science because the green's uneven. Uh,
you know, the grass doesn't grow evenly. There's moisture, there's
all these different things. There's you know, sand that specs
of dust on there. So even if you hit the
ball along your path, no guarantee it's going to go
in the hole. But what it does is it sets
a direction. So it's sort of like when you get
in a boat, you set your course. And when you're
in the boat, you're on the ocean or on the lake,
you know you don't follow it exactly. If you look
at the minute details of how a boat goes, it
kind of zigzags. It's always making a little course correction
along its path, but it has a goal to get
from A to B. Otherwise they would kind of move
about randomly. So that's what you're trying to do here
is set a set a path from where you where
you are with your shot and where you wanted to go,
and then you you you see that you draw that line,
it provides you with the path, and then that's half
the battle right there, and you step up and knock
the ball along your path and and you know it
doesn't go in every time. But if you can say
with confidence that you had that goal in mind to
get the ball in the hole, you saw that line,
or you drew that line, and you went for it,
then that's a good shot. And that's that's what that
fe's all about, Okay, really about how to do something
that you're not necessarily confident about, you're not sure about.
It puts a confidence in your game right away.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're familiar with the ame point putting system
which we talked to Mark Sweeney about and trying to
find the fall line, which has helped me like where
is where is the line that is going to be
a straight line to the hole if you walk around
the hole and see where the ball is just going
to go very straight to go into the hole, which
is also complicated for a lot of people. So I
guess what you want to remind people? And the thing
that helped me the most in the very beginning with
reading the Putts was thinking about gravity. I mean, greens
are designed to not be flat because the water's got
to roll off of it.
Speaker 3: Well, where that's right?
Speaker 1: What is the direction the water's going to go. Use
gravity and try to make the line that.
Speaker 3: Way right, and then that's a perfect that's actually the
twelfth chapter. It's called you know, going going with the flow.
If you were to if the green was cement, if
you will, and you poured a bucket of water, where
would the water flow. The water flows with the hill
or with gravity, and that's where the ball is going
to go. So that's a very helpful tool, I think
for a lot of folks that say, you know, I
don't know how to read the green, and that kind
of puts it in perspective for them.
Speaker 1: Obviously one I like that, But I got to say
that obviously the editor got a hold of the book
after you wrote it, because number twelve is actually called
how to see the Break, not go with the flow.
Speaker 3: Well, it's how to see the break and go with
the flow, and.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what you just did. Very nice recovery, sir,
you bet what were you about to? I'm sorry for interrupting.
What were you gonna say?
Speaker 3: No, it's another tool that we we like to use
on how to read the greens, and it's mentioned in
the book as well as as you know you imagine
you're you're you're looking at you're on the bank of
a river, and the water is flowing obviously in one direction.
If you were to throw a leaf in there into
the river, the river, the leaf would go with the
flow of the water. So same type of thing. If
you were to hit a putt, it would go with
the flow of the water. And that helps people again
visualize and see the break and go with the flow.
Speaker 1: Can go with the flow. Dude, you're from Hawaii. Got
to give the sign. That's it. So all right, I'm
bounce to another chapter. And this is actually relevant to around.
I was playing yesterday friend and I and it was
an incredibly hot day and I and I like this course.
I like walking this course that I was playing Foxtail
North Open Rohnert Park. But it's like a six and
a half seven mile walk. It's a really long walk,
fair fairly flat, so I don't have a problem with that,
But that long of a walk in ninety plus degree heat,
I really wasn't in the mood for walking because we
were entertaining that day. So so I, a friend and
I were in a golf cart and the two other
people that were with us one got matched with us,
and this guy was walking carrying his bag. And then
the third guy was a newbie, someone who really knew
to the point where he didn't know that you can't
grind your club in a bunker, that you know that
you don't walk up. I mean, there was a lot
of the new stuff that iway was had to, you know,
give him some instruction. I said, do you mind if
I share something? No, no, please help me. All right.
First of all, if you're going to talk to the guy,
you can't stand there and talk. You got to keep moving,
pick up the pace, let's go. Huh. So by the
end of the round, so these two guys, the walking
guy and the newbie, were really slow and it was
driving us crazy. And when we were done with the round,
my playing partner was getting so frustrated he was like
he practically he just gave up. He said, you know
what this, I'm feeling rushed all the time because these
people behind us are on our butts and we can't
get these guys to move faster. And he was so
frustrated he just said, stop scoring for me. I don't
care anymore. And when we were done with the round,
it took us four hours and we were both so
surprised because I've played that course in over five because
of the long walk. So your chapter number nine, I
want to give to him how to relax when being rushed? Please,
we need to tip on that one.
Speaker 3: Well, it's I think that's one of the biggest frustrations
for golfers is when you know, you look behind you
and there's four people standing there, one of them with
his his or hair, hands on the hips, you know,
the other wave in the club, and they're just always
on your tail. So they want to finish their round
in two hours and you want to enjoy your round
and sub four. So to me, that is is really frustrating,
and I think it's for everybody. I mean, whenever there's
a group behind you, you feel like there's a tension.
And so what I tell people is to be ready. Okay,
when it's your turn to hit your shot, be ready,
and you can rush, but rush in between your shots.
So what that means is when after you hit, you know,
and you're moving as a group, you can rush all
you want, Okay, you can sprint if you want to
between your shots, but once it's time to hit your ball,
that's your time, okay, so that's when you slow down.
So it's really the chapter title is called how to
Relax when being Rushed and the sub is subtitle is
be ready and then slow down. So when it's your turn,
have your club that you want to hit, you know,
select that club ahead of time while your brother playing
partners are hitting, think through your shot, and then once
it's your turn, that's when you slow down to your
regular paces if you're playing by yourself with no one
else around, because that's your time. And what that's gonna
do is one or one of two things. One is
it's gonna get you back into playing mode, because in
between shots, you're not in playing mode, you're in being
on the golf course mode. When it's time to hit
your shot, you slow down, you get into your pace
and rhythm even though you're being rushed from behind, and
you make a great shot, and that's going to save
time more than anything else. A lot of times people
they might have happened to your buddy, is you're rushing
to stay ahead of you know, the group behind. You're rushing, rushing, rushing,
in between shots, and then you rush your shot and
what happens you don't hit a great shot, and then
you have to do it all over again, and so
you add shots to year round, which then slows the
game more than anything else. So I tell people be
ready when it's your turn to hit, have your club selected,
and then once it's your turn, that's your time. You
honor it. You slow down to your regular pace as
if there's no one else on the golf course to
make your best shot, and then you're playing great golf.
And I think that's the advice that I would give
to any golfer out there, whether they be a PGA
pro playing in a tournament and if they're on the clock,
rush in between your shots. But once it's time to
be hit your shot, you go back into your regular pace.
Speaker 1: As one of the things I learned from one of
the very first episodes of Golf Smarter, which is walk fast,
swing slow. There you go, Okay, I want to go
to number twenty three. This is all in part one
still twenty three. How to play business golf? What do
you mean?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, you often hear that there's no better
golf than business golf. But for a lot of people
though that that's not the case, because business golf is
when you're going out with a purpose other than just
playing golf. If you're going out with your buddies on
the weekend, it's it's to play out, play golf and have,
you know, have a good time. Business golf usually means
that you're taking out a client, maybe you're playing with
your boss, you're playing with another colleague, and there's a
purpose other than just playing golf. And for a lot
of folks that is very hard for them to juggle
between the two. They see it as as something that
they can they stress out at. So either one of
two things happens for them. Either they play terrible golf
because they're just so focused on, you know, trying to
manage the business side of the of the event, or
vice versa. They play great golf, but then they totally
forget about, you know, the business side. So what I
tell people is you need to be able to flip
the switch when you're playing business golf. So flipping the
switch means that there's two different things happening out there.
One is you're there for a purpose of you know,
for business of some sort, and the other purpose is golf.
So I switched. I tell people to create two different
separate events. Event one is playing golf. Event two is
the business interaction that you have. And when it's your
turn to hit your shot, you think, okay, Event one,
I'm playing golf. You move into golf mode. You strike,
you strike the ball, and after you strike the ball,
then you switch back to event two business, which is,
you know, talking about whatever you may be talking about
with your your playing partners. And just by having that,
you know, that switch, if you will, to turn it
on and off, allows you to realize what mode you're
in and it frees you up so that you can
separate the two while they're happening out there. And for
a lot of folks that get kind of they get
stuck in between it's this business is this golf as
businesses is golf, and then that's what they get. They
kind of get that mediocre reaction and mediocre results. So
by switching it to on and off on for event
one golf, on for event too, business and vice versa,
that allows them the freedom to actually do one or
the other at the same time. And what they'll find
is that they'll have great they'll play great golf, and
the business will take care of itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but be careful you if you're going out with
a potential client or potential boss, you don't necessarily want
to play great golf, right, you want to play to
their level of golf.
Speaker 3: Right. Well, it's funny because that's another one. I have
to write a whole other book on that one, how
to how to play well but not too well.
Speaker 1: Exactly how to hold back. As everybody is well aware,
golf exposes character in so many ways that you don't
see in normal life, how a person handles themselves in situations.
And one of the best pieces of advice I've ever
received about the business golf aspect is that you don't
do business on the course. You learn if you want
to do business with that person while on the course,
and then you you know, you see, do they swear?
Do they throw their club? Do they take things in stride?
Do they you know, do they cheat?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: These are things you really need to know before you
go into a business situation with somebody. So then if
you've decided, Okay, this guy's all right, I think that
we could work together, then you do the business in
the nineteenth hole and sitting down and having whether you're
having some iced tea or you're having a beer or
you're having mixed drinks. Sitting down at a round of
golf with people after the round is so interesting. How
you get people to open up quickly.
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, and it's fun. This is for all the
folks that have been reluctant to take up the game
of golf and because they're fearful of embarrassment or so
forth not being as good as their fellow colleagues. But
what we teach people is that it doesn't have to
be that way. You can separate it into two separate events.
When you're playing quote unquote business golf, and I call
it event one golf and event two business. So when
it's time to hit your shot, that's the event one.
Focus on playing the best golf, hitting the best shot possible.
Once you hit your shot, the SHOT's done, then you
go back to event two, which is business. And then
you can go back to just you know, talking with
your client or with your boss about whatever may be
the topic at hand. And that way it separates the two.
You don't feel like you have to mess it, and
you can separate actually playing some pretty good golf and
having fun and separate that and still have a good business.
Event while you're on the golf course.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go part two. All right, yeah yeah,
let's move to part two. Now we're talking about your
play on the course. And again this is all from
the Frustrated Golfer's Handbook, which is available in the Golfers
Mart number thirty. How to Sink Putts from any distance.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, Well it's funny because this is the one
This is the the part of the game where I
tell people.
Speaker 3: That technically you can make a shot from any distance.
Speaker 1: Technically, not if you're trying.
Speaker 3: That's the problem. That's the problem. You try too are
that you kind of start putting walls up, So even
if you have a hundred foot putt, technically the ball
could go in the hole. So that around that possibility
is what people need to keep, you know, that inkling
of possibility is what people need to be open to.
And one of the most important things that you know,
and I work with people on this all the time,
is so you know, I often ask them before they
hit a putt, you know, what do you want? And
I get the funniest answers. A lot of people say, well,
I just want to you know, hit it in the
general in that direction, or they'll say I don't want
a three putt, or I just want to get it
within ten feet of the hole or five feet a
hole or three feet of the hole. I go, why
don't you just want to get the ball in the hole.
That's the whole point of the game, right, isn't that
a thrill? They go, and then they think about it,
and I go, yeah, I want to get the ball
in the hole. So that's what we started with, is like,
you can make any putt from any distance. And that's
the big revelation that I want people to understand or experience,
just that the possibility that you can make any putt
from any distance. So this exercise starts with that premise,
and this this mental golf trick, and it's how to
sing putts from any distances. And it's what I call
the spiral exercise. So a lot of times when I
see people warm up for around, you know, they hit
maybe hit a few balls, or they'll just go to
the putting green and sometimes they'll drop the ball and
they'll be, you know, fifty feet from the hole and
they'll start blackened putts. And I say, if you want
to build the confidence that you want when you're on
the golf course. Start small, okay, So start your first
putt from about six inches okay, and step up and
knock that ball in the hole. Then with this exercise,
you're going to spiral your way out, so you're going
to move it out to a foot, but move it
over to the side, okay. So you're going to be
making sort of like a conk shell, making a nautilus shell,
if you will, around the hole. So you'll hit one
from a foot and then you'll move it out to
a foot and a half moving around the hole, then
to two feet two and a half. And you'll find
that by doing this exercise, by starting with a six
inch putt and then working your way up gradually, before
you'll know it, you'll be hitting putts from any distance.
And this is an excellent, excellent exercise to number one,
build your confidence, but realize that you can strike a
putt from any distance and do well. This is also
a great exercise for those people. And when I say
those people, I mean everybody. Every golfer. Is that everybody
has what we call that, for lack of a better term,
the burp zone, that zone of putts in which we
have some type of mental hurdles. So for a lot
of people, it's that four to six foot range. Anything
inside four feet they can just go ahead and step
up and they feel pretty confidence. Anything beyond that six
foot range, you know, they hit And I think why
they have this burp zone, if you will, is it
has to do with expectations. So for a lot of
peop anything inside four feet they're like, yeah, that's close enough,
I know I can make that. And then anything beyond
six feet they say, well, I'm just going to go
for it because there's really no it could go in.
It could not. But then at four to six they
start to get, you know, kind of hazy. They're like,
I should make this, I should be making this, and
they get a little tense and a little nervous. So
this spiral exercise, by just going in six engines increments
around the hole will shatter that little bourb zone of yours.
So try it out there. I know a lot of
people will experience that on the golf course. Try this
on the putting green and you'll see how how amazing
it is for you to hit puts from again any distance.
So when you see this thing puts from any distance,
I mean I don't mean just long distances. I mean
also in that little burb zone as well, and that
is really powerful for the you know, the low to
mid handicapper that experiences that a few times every round
the golf.
Speaker 1: Okay, now I got it. I'm not going to go
on to a chapter forty eight how to go from
ranged course. We just did an episode, whole episode with
Ken Doherty on that, but I you know, talking about
going from the range to the course and on hitting
every putt from any distance. I did something this weekend
that I've never done before that worked, I thought worked
very well for me. And the testimony of that is
this round that I played the other day. I had
thirty putts in a round and I was very happy.
That's a really good round of putting for me. And
I shot in eighty four. But the round before that,
I shot in eighty eight and I had forty putts,
and I was really upset with myself. There was too
many three putts going on, and you know, no one putts,
no up and downs. So before this round that I
had the thirty putts, I was on the putting green
warming up before the round, and my playing partner came
over and I said, and he took a couple and
I said, all right, you know what, it's so hard
to really focus on what it feels like to putt
here on the putting green when you got four balls.
So here's what I want to do. Putting on the
putting green. There's always pressure to try to get it in.
So let's have some pressure. So let's just pick a hole.
We each get three balls. You shot, shoot, I'll shoot,
you shoot, but make a competition out of it. Put
some pressure on it on the practice putting green. And
boy did that translate to for me on the on
the course.
Speaker 3: Well, it's one of those it's one of the exercise
practice the way you want to play. Yeah, yeah, practice
way you want to play. So a lot of times
you'll see folks, you know, on the driving range. They'll grab,
you know, that that big megabucket of one hundred and
fifty ball and they'll just start whacking away like a
machine gun. And I'm like, you know, how often do
you get to hit balls on the golf course like that? Right? Never? Right?
So I say every now and then, you know, there's
tients start doing drills and working on different skills. Step
back behind a ball on the driving range and imagine
you're on the golf course. Put yourself, you know, in
your frame of mind as if you're on the golf
of course, and go through your pre shot ritual and
strike that ball as if you're playing same thing on
the putting green, saying, you know, the the biggest thing
that you hear these little kids, you know, they say,
you know, they talk themselves as if they're in a situation.
Here I am on the seventy second hole at the
Augusta Nasenaal. You know, the whole Bill Murray thing, right,
But there is a certain element of putting yourself in
those situations. And and you know, I think if you
ask every great athlete, the top athletes of all time,
if you interview them in any sport, you say, you know,
what did you do as a kid? Did you and
they'll eat Everyone will probably have a story of I
imagine myself I was the broadcaster explaining, you know, creating
the situation, and they put themselves in this situation. A
five seconds left on the clock, down by two, going down,
dribbling down in the corner, hid putting up to you know,
the three pointer as the buzzer is going off swiss.
You know, you put yourself in those situations and that's
yeah exactly, the crowd goes off same being in golf.
So creating those situations on the putting green, whether you're
when you're with a buddy, you can you know play,
you know match just like you said, hit three balls,
put a little pressure, you bet against yourself and that
that kind of helps you experience what you would experience
on the golf course before getting out there. And then
that's one of the things that I think a lot
of people do, uh that that throws them off, is
they don't get in those situations prior or in practice,
and so they're experiencing it for the first time on
the golf course. So what you talked about there with
your buddy is perfect. It kind of sets you up
to actually practice the way you want to play, and
it gives you the tools to do it.
Speaker 1: How can you actually get away with writing a chapter
called how to shoot your best score? You know, it's like, oh,
today was my best score. I didn't even realize it
until I looked at my scorecard. Because if I look
at my scorecard, I'll never hit my best score.
Speaker 3: Well, It's funny because you know, how to show your
best score is all about being in the moment for
each and every shot, and I think that's really powerful.
And how you do it is a lot of times
that best score is already there. You know. The old
at is. I had a teacher once we all showed
up the first day and and and she said, Okay,
everybody here right now has an A. Everyone has a hundred, right,
and everyone starts that way, and now it's your your
goal to keep it right. And that's what I tell
people when they play golf is think about that best
round you've ever played. Think about that best hole you've played,
or that playing a real good hole, or hitting that
great shot. You've already done it. You have that in
your hip pockets. Okay, it's now just allowing it to
happen again, because if you did it once, that to
me shows that you're capable of doing it again. So
how to shoot your best round is realizing that you
are you can already do it, and you've already done it.
So that one is number forty nine. I believe it is.
And it's like the go to sleep. And that's that's
what I talked about earlier today, isn't that if you're
playing around the next day, when you go to bed
the night before, imagine that you've already shot that that
great roalm that you're capable of shooting. So visualization is
all it is, is simply imagining yourself doing something. So
imagine yourself on the first t if it's of course
you've played, if it's your home course, or you're familiar
with it, getting on that first tee teeing it up,
seeing where you want that ball to end up, hitting
that perfect drive and then going to know your where
you're fall ends up grabbing that eight iron and hitting
that perfect shot right to the to the to the
green and making the putt. So go through each and
every shot one by one in your mind, and what
it does is you realize that, yeah, I can do this,
I can hit good shots, I can play great golf,
and it's already there. I just need to go out
and let myself do it. And that's what I mean
by how to get you know, shoot your best score well.
Speaker 1: Playing with confidence. It's the It's the I found to
be the greatest thing for any round of golf if
you're playing with confidence. And what Jim Waldron calls positive indifference.
You know, it's like if you put pressure on it.
You know you're confident, but if you put pressure on it,
it's not going to go in. It's those shots where
you're just like, I don't care anymore, and of course
it drops in. So the positive but the confidence is huge,
and it is sport.
Speaker 3: And I think it's it's confidence in that because sometimes
it's one of those things where you show up the
golf course one day and first whatever reason, your muscles,
your coordination, it's not firing on all cylinders. Okay, maybe
it just didn't have a great night's sleep, maybe you're
sore from you know, working out a couple of days ago,
or maybe just you know, it's one of those days
things just aren't in sync. But you can go out
there with the right mental frame, Like you said, confidence
in your game. That is what keeps you going until
everything starts to sagnight. So a lot of times when
you're playing golf, you might be kind of just puttering along,
no pun intended there, and you're not striking the ball
too well, you're not scoring great, but knowing knowing that
you're capable of in any moment everything. Switching with one
swing is a huge, huge confidence builder. So again, let's
say you're playing on a Saturday and you're really excited
about your round. You've done all you know you want
to do, you visualize, you do the practice, you're really
pumped up, but you're just not scoring or you're not
hitting the ball as well as you'd like. Have the
confidence to realize that with just one shot and it
could be the next shot, it could all change. Because
eighteen holes over a four hour period, or you know,
one shot is just one shot, You're going to have
a lot of opportunities. So be confident in that and
trust your game that and be patient and it will come.
And if you have that patience, and I think that's
what a lot of the season players on tour, you know,
they have that patience that if they're not striking the
ball great and they're not scoring great, that if they
stay with their game plan, it will all fall into
place eventually. And that's the one Those are the ones
that succeed. And the same thing goes for the weekend golfer.
If you can just know that with that one swing
that it could be the next one, you could change everything.
Just like that snap of a finger. That's enough to
keep people coming back, I think, and staying on their
game plan.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that when you start with a new student,
you ask them what they want to accomplish. What are
the answers that you generally get?
Speaker 3: Oh, within the game or within a shot? No. No.
Speaker 1: For a new student, when you ask them, what is
it that you want to accomplish by taking a lesson
with me, Yeah, you'll probably hear the same answers over
and over, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people, it depends on their level
of play. If they're a beginner and they just started
a lot of them just want to feel confidence. You know,
you've talked about confidence. They want to feel that they
can go up there and enjoy the game and feel
comfortable in what they're doing. So for them, what we
do for beginners we teach.
Speaker 1: Them Yeah, sorry, it ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you know, acknowledging what what you want
is have to battle because a lot of people don't
know what they want and they're just kind of floating about.
And I'm not talking about just golf and just life
in general. So if someone says, you know, they come
to me, and I asked that question and they haven't
answered that. I know they're halfway there because they have
an idea of where they want to go. So if
they say, you know, I just want to feel comfortable
out there. I want to go out and play with
friends and not embarrass myself. I want to be able
to go out and play, you know, those tournaments at
work and have a good time and not feel nervous
and so forth. I tell those folks that you already
own your game. And this is the big thing, is
that you own your swing. And those swings are no
two swings in the world are like. So the key
to you and enjoying this game for you know, and
developing the confidence is to realize that is that this
is your game, this is how you experience it, and
that is aasketball. It sets the tone. So people oftentimes
when they take a lesson and whatever, they often look
to the coach instructor to tell them what to do.
And our philosophy is different. We don't tell you what
to do. We are there to guide you. We see
ourselves as coaches, and what great coaches do is they
bring out the potential in their players or in their students.
They don't tell them what to do per se. They
just bring out their potential. And that's what our goal is.
And when I say potentially, it means what are you
capable of achieving and finding the way that gets you
from where you are now your level to that is
all about giving you that motivation, the belief that you
can achieve it, and to realize that this is your game,
this is your experience when you're out there, so you
get to create what you want to create. And so
we don't get fundamental in terms of telling you exactly
how to do things. It's all about creating what works
best for you. And I oftentimes bring up you know,
certain individuals out there with swings that are unorthodox quote unquote.
If you look at the you know, if you put
hook people up to a computer and Jim Furick, you
go back to Arnold Palmer. You know, a lot of
these swings are not quote unquote technically sound, but they
work for the individual. So I tell people, find your
swing that fits you, own the game, and you're going
to have fun with this for the rest of your life.
So that's one of the questions that I often get
from the beginners, from the lower handicaps are more more
established players that are you know, stuck at their kind
of that barrier, that one ninety eighty seventy barrier. They
asked me, I really want to get you know, what
do you what do you want? And they say, well,
I want to break through those those barriers. And a
lot of times those are our mental barriers. And so
what I tell people is that don't think about it
as I'm going to break through the seventy or the
eighty or the ninety mark. Just focus on what your
end goal is. And your end goal is to play
spectacular golf, to have fun out there, to hit great shots,
and then the scorers will take care of themselves. I
think when people get hung up, you know, they maybe
have that great front front nine, they're you know, and
they go, oh, I'm going to do it, and then
they start to self sabotage. And how many times have
people have we all done that? You know, I'm not
just in golf, but in life. It's like we get
in a momentum and we're going and then we say, oh,
wait a minute, this is not supposed to be happening, right.
So I tell people just focus on you know, the
goal in mind is there. It's always there to shoot
that personal best score. But a lot of people shoot
that best score when they're not thinking about the score.
They're just gone, they're hitting great shots. And you know,
Rory at the British Open talked about it inner peace right.
He wasn't even thinking about the score. He's just going
enjoying his time out there and everything was falling apart.
And a lot of the great golfers when they play
those great rounds or great tournaments, talk about that rather
than how they're striking the ball.
Speaker 1: Well, no, everything was falling into place, not falling apart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the strike falling in play, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that most people, and it brought me
to chapter twenty six, is that most people would come
to you and say I want more distance, And.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's this is obsession with distance, and I think
it's it's funny because whether you know you hit a
shot two hundred and eighty yards or you hit a
putt two inches, it still counts as one stroke. It
doesn't matter how you end up with the strokes on
your score scorecard. You know, they're all the same. So
I tell people that if you want distance, and distance
is a part of the game, no doubt. You know,
you need to get it from you know A to
B and often sometimes it's you know, for three, four
or five hundred yards now six hundred yard long hold.
So how to get more distance is by establishing this
really strong foundation. And it relates to the balance that
we talked about earlier today. But I tell people that
a lot of times they think, oh, to get more,
I have to swing harder, and sometimes when you swing harder,
you don't get the same connection with the ball. And
so you can swing as hard as you want, you
can get maximum clubhead speeds for you. But if you
hit the toe of the club the ball, you know,
with the toe of the club, it's not going to
go where you want it to go and certainly not
going to have the distance you want. So all I
tell people is that instead of trying to swing a
certain way or do anything other that you know that
tightens you up ortenses you up. I just tell people
simple thing, batter up. And if you're familiar with baseball
or softball, whenever you watch a batter go to the plate,
you see them really establishing a really strong foundation. You
see them kind of kicking their feet into the dirt,
digging in, really getting a strong foundation, and that sets
the stage for them to make a good swing. So
I tell people when they're setting up, imagine as you're
setting up to the near shot, if you're right handed,
you know, planting that right foot in the ground like
you're like a batter in a batter's box and really
getting that strong foundation, and vice versa for a lefty
planning in that left foot, and just by doing that,
you're establishing a really strong foundation, a very strong set.
If you will set point where you're really strong from
the waist down, and that will generate a lot of
power for you. Another example is why do we need that?
People ask, well, if you didn't use your lower body
and you just swung, you know, with your upper body,
and try to sometimes where you just set your from
your waist down, don't move your body and just swing
with at your upper body, you'll realize, Wow, I don't
really have a whole lot of moment them going here,
I don't really have a whole lot of power. If
you will, if you're just using your arms, where most
of your power emanates is from the lower part of
your body, and so that foundation is everything. It goes
back to, you know, the house is only as strong
as it foundation. Same thing for the golf swing. So
if you want to get more distanced, don't worry about
swinging harder anything like that. Just establish that stronger foundation
by matching your batter in the batter's box. And it
has a really powerful effect just by doing that.
Speaker 1: We've gone through eleven chapters of the fifty chapter book,
and again it's The Frustrated Golfer's Handbook by Darren g
And I need to ask you to wrap up this one.
I can't imagine how big your golf balls are. To
make a statement an invitation like this, chapter number five
how to shoot a hole in one? Really, you're really
going to ice on how to shoot a hole in one? Yeah?
It is like so totally lucky. Yeah, it's so random.
Oh yeah, but I'm talking a hole in one from
tea to the hole, not just is hitting the butt.
Explain yourself, sir, what do you mean by chapter number
five how to make a hole and how to shoot
a hole in one?
Speaker 3: Well, I think a lot of folks, it's it's really
two things that we're looking at, is it goes back
to the realm of what's possible and what you're capable
of doing. And so number one is to realize that, yes,
you can shoot a hole in one. Okay, a lot
of people say, oh never, I can and I can't
make that. But I can't make that shot. I go
there is a possibility when you step up to the
tee on a par three that you can shoot a
hole one. So that's number one, is to realize that, yes,
I can do it. And you know, I bring up
my uncle. He has I think thirteen holes in one.
Oh my god, and yeah, he might be on fourteen
by now. So if you're out there, let me know
if you've hit number fourteen. He's probably playing golf right now.
So you know, I asked him, was what do you do?
He goes, well, you know, there's a lot of luck.
But I don't think that's true because what makes my
uncle so so successful I think in life and in
golf is that when he steps up to the ball
and I've played with him, I've watched him, there's a
certain level of focus that he believes that he could
get the ball in the hole. I mean you could
see it in him, in his body language and how
he looked at the hole. I mean, he's not just
stepping up there and swinging. A lot of times we
step up and go I just want to hit, I
just want to get good contact. I just want to swing.
He actually says. I believe he says to him when
I look at him in the way his body language speaks,
is this ball is going to go in the hole.
So that's part of it right there. And then how
do you actually do it? So it goes from the
realm of yes, I could make a home one too,
how is it going to happen? So what do you do?
Is what I call shrinking the green. Okay, you look
at a green. It's a big, big space that you
could land the ball in. And a lot of times
people say, I just want to get out on the green.
I tell him, let's get more specific. Okay, Shrinking that
green means that they move the flag to different parts
of a putting green, if you will, or of a
green on a golf course. So wherever that pin is,
wherever the hole is located, I want you to shrink
the green so that it is a relative part of
the game. So that means the area surrounding that hole. Okay,
And if you were just let's I'll give you a
more simple exit. Let's say you're playing to a green
that is basically you know, circle, and the flag is
in the back left of the green. I would tell
people to take if you were to take a ten,
if you will, and draw a line, draw a little
cross on that green to making four quadrants, if you will,
and that ten happens to be in the upper left quadrant.
When you're looking at the whole, I want you to
shrink the green as if it's just that quadrant, okay.
And what that does is it takes your focus from
being a very wide area to a more specific area,
the area around the whole. And with practice, that area
can get smaller and smaller until you're focusing on a
very small part of the green. Eventually, even if you're
really good at this and we practice just the whole,
and if you talk to you know, again, a lot
of the pro players, a lot of the single digit
haandic capains, that's what they're doing when they're out there,
when they're talking to their caddies, they're not talking about
hitting the green. They're talking about the specific areas that
they want to land that ball, and they're creating quadrants
and some are actually making even smaller spots. So when
I say how to shoot a whole one, what I'm
talking about is shrinking your green from wide, a wide
area of possibilities to a more focused area of where
that ball could go. And what that does is it
allows you to really start to emphasize in your mind
as well as when you're hitting your shots. It's getting
the ball where you ultimately want it to go, and
that's in the hole. And I want everyone who shoots
the hole in one after listening to this to email
me and let me know, because I'm trying to keep
track of who's who's doing it and who's not.
Speaker 1: Oh awesome, Yeah, I'm right to me. I'd love to
hear about your I mean, I have people writing for
me all the time reporting on how their game's going.
But yeah, you get a whole in one, Definitely want
to hear about it. Definitely want to hear about it. Well, well, Darren,
it's been great to have you back on the show again.
If for Golf Smarter members who want to hear more
about your writing and your teaching, Episode number eighty four
and then a two parter episode number two hundred twenty
three and two hundred and twenty four. Those are from
twenty ten and the other one was two thousand and seven.
But it is great to have you back on the.
Speaker 3: Show, really so wonderful, Fret, and I look forward to
seeing I look forward to seeing you and and all
the listeners out here on the Big Island. August fourth,
twenty fifteen, we'll meet at our two locations here on
the Big Island, one at the Monicaya Resort, another at
the Big Island Country Club, and that's where we'll do
the fifth five hundred episode of Golf Smarter. Looking forward
to it.