WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:09.640 All right, welcome back, folks, and joining me now is 2 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:12.679 Courtney Turner. Courtney Turner dot com that is spelled co 3 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:16.960 u r t e n a y Turner dot com 4 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:21.800 like Courteney but Courtney, and she hosts the Courtney Turner Podcast. 5 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:25.000 Thank you for joining us, Courtney, thank you so much 6 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:28.239 for having me. It is a pleasure. And of course, uh, 7 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:29.960 we were talking during the break and you said, you 8 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:33.039 want to talk about Game B versus the singularity and 9 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:35.560 how people are kind of shaping the narrative and how 10 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:38.759 we're moving forward towards the future. So I'd just like 11 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:40.799 to get you to kind of break down Game B 12 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:43.960 for the listeners and the viewers, since I was fairly 13 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:48.000 unfamiliar with it myself, so I imagine that it is something 14 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:49.560 that people could use an explanation on. 15 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:51.880 Absolutely. 16 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:53.719 So I know a lot of people are probably a 17 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:57.000 little bit more familiar with the Dark Enlightenment currently because 18 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:01.399 a lot of those figures are surrounding Trump administration, so 19 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:04.799 that has come to the forefront. What I have proposed 20 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:07.840 is this thesis that they're kind of behaving as a dialectic, 21 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:12.760 but they're both fomenting the technological singularity. I see the 22 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:15.239 game be as a little more of the appealing to 23 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:18.879 like the less leaning, a little bit more spiritual theosophical 24 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:23.000 camp and the dark Enlightenment is obviously the more authoritarian, 25 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:29.760 kind of techno fascist gov Corp type of appeal. And 26 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:31.519 you know, the joke I kind of make is that 27 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:34.079 it doesn't really matter if you have a mummy issues 28 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:36.719 or daddy issues. You know they're they're going to give 29 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:40.319 you a pink or blue comfort blanky. Just pacify either 30 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:42.640 one of you. So and if you have both, they'll 31 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:45.120 give you both. Know they'll they'll they'll give you the 32 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:49.159 managed synthesis. So Game B. So for those who are 33 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:51.959 not familiar with Game B, they call it a new 34 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:56.120 operating system for civilization. It is actually not new at all. 35 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:59.879 And it's my contention that the intellectual dark Web was 36 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:04.319 influence operation of sorts for Game B, and this has 37 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:08.360 been pretty much corroborated in there's an article on Manifest 38 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:12.919 Nirvana where Andrew Cohen. He doesn't use the words influence operation, 39 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:16.479 so I'll just caveat that those are my words, but 40 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.199 he does pretty much say that they laid the groundwork 41 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.800 and brought it to the forefront, and they were preparing 42 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:26.680 the intellectual landscape for this concept of Game B. Now, 43 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:29.000 Game B doesn't actually exist yet, but it's been in 44 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:32.919 the work since twenty eleven. In twenty eleven, Jim Rutt, 45 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:36.919 who was the chairman of the Santa Fe Institute, he 46 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:40.599 had met Jordan Hall at the Santa Fe Institute as well, 47 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:46.120 and they collaborated to create this concept. Originally it was 48 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:49.960 centered around they had something called the Stanton Meetings in Stanton, Virginia. 49 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.319 They brought along people like Brett Weinstein, who I'm sure 50 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:57.599 a lot of your audience is familiar with, to start 51 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.240 a new political party. They called it the Man a 52 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.759 Patient Party. So one of the concepts in Game B 53 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:08.159 is a concept I'm seeing really kind of sprout up everywhere. 54 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:12.280 It's this trans political movement. It's this idea very appealing 55 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:15.000 to people who believe that we have a two party illusion. 56 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:18.560 You know that they play dialectical game between the left 57 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:20.560 and the right. I'm not denying any of this, by 58 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:24.120 the way, but the third way I'm not sure is 59 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:28.360 the better option. So they're appealing to those who, you know, 60 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:32.120 recognize that the shoe sizes get kind of pitted against 61 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:35.199 each other like football team and that they're presenting this 62 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:39.560 one nation type of a movement, and that's actually one 63 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:43.759 of the parties. One nation party, so that it was 64 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:46.840 like a Christopher Light had the United Independence. There's a 65 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:48.599 lot of overlap of all these things, but this was 66 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:52.639 the Emancipation Party and it didn't really take off. Mostly 67 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:54.560 the way Jim Rutt explains it, he's kind of the 68 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:57.800 grandfather of this concept of game B But the way 69 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:01.400 he explains it is that the boomers are all in. 70 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:05.520 He said that the exers he could kind of corral, 71 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:09.400 but that the millennials loved the platform. It was very 72 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:12.560 much aligned with, like a Bernie Sanders type platform. You 73 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:15.000 can still see their reform page. They talk about things 74 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:17.759 like a UBI. Both camps do, by the way, right 75 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:19.959 the Dark Enlightenment camp talked about that as well, because 76 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:22.120 of course, the robots are going to replace us, and 77 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:23.759 so what are we going to do. We're not going 78 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:25.680 to have any jobs, so we need a UBI. 79 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:29.360 That is one thing they both agree on. They both say, oh, yes, 80 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:31.319 the robots are coming for your job. But one of 81 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:33.759 them seems to be a bit more exuberant about it 82 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:36.199 and the others seem more thoughtful, like, oh, well, it's 83 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:38.839 going to happen. It's not great, but it's going. 84 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:42.480 To happen exactly that's exactly right. They tend to be 85 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:45.959 a little bit more. They claim they're more pessimistic about 86 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:50.720 technology and they're non in favor of transhumanism. However, if 87 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:53.680 you look at these group of thinkers, most of them 88 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:56.839 are in the tech venture art up space. You know, 89 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:00.839 Jim Rudd had something called the evolutionary Software. That's actually 90 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:03.959 why he was brought into the Santa Fe Institute. It's 91 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:06.680 why he was bringing all these evolutionary biologists into the 92 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:10.560 Stanton meetings back in twenty eleven. He was also the 93 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:13.519 a CEO of Network Solution. He was on the ground 94 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:17.319 floor of venture capital fundraising for what became T Mobile, 95 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:21.120 and Jordan Hall is very similar. He was originally our 96 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:24.480 Jordan Green Hall. A lot of these characters change their name. 97 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:30.600 I'm still not sure why that is. They rebrand you know, concepts, names, companies. 98 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.399 All that seems to change with time. My favorite, I 99 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:38.600 always joke is that there was a no map technology, 100 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:41.759 which I'm pretty sure Jordan Hall was involved with. He 101 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:44.600 doesn't explicitly say that, but he talks about the concepts 102 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:47.360 of hollow chains, and it sounds exactly like what no 103 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:50.639 Map was. But one of the originators of No Map, 104 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:54.279 which became S seven Foundation, changed their name from Andrea 105 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:57.959 to Tan. I still haven't figured out why Tan, but 106 00:05:58.120 --> 00:05:59.600 it then cracks me out every time. 107 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:03.800 So probably just general obfuscation, you know, they like to 108 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:06.199 hide what they're doing, and it makes it harder to 109 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.319 keep track of who these people are and what's going on. 110 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:14.360 They can continue to work on different projects. Just general sneakiness. Probably, yeah, 111 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:14.879 I think. 112 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:17.240 It makes it harder to find the trail and I 113 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:19.480 end up spending a lot of time on the wayback 114 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:23.759 machine trying to trace the you know, like Peter Thiel's project, 115 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:26.800 he has Prospera, right, a lot of the people are 116 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:30.439 familiar with those bitcoin cities that he's doing in Honduras. Well, 117 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.079 the subsidiary of that was Vitalia, where and on the 118 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:36.160 website it said, you know, it's a city where you 119 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:40.560 can make death optional. However they've now changed it to Infinitia. 120 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:45.480 But there's overlap here because Jordan Hall has spoken at 121 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:50.160 the Startup Society Foundations, which is held It's a conference 122 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:53.199 that's held at Prospera and four years ago he talked 123 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:58.399 about game B startups and network states. Recently, within the 124 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:02.800 past year, he did a much shorter presentation on network 125 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:06.199 states and this, you know, kind of gamebee concept, but 126 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:10.160 he's converted to Christianity. Year ago, they talks about liturgy 127 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.439 and how that can be used for essentially for communitarianism, 128 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.319 which I'm pretty sure is not what liturgy is about. 129 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:21.160 But he also talks about it was a podcast not 130 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:26.000 too long ago he talked about how Ephesians Poor teaches 131 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:30.680 us the collective cognition, which again I'm pretty sure is 132 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.040 that that's not how I read it. Anyway, you can 133 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:38.560 make your decision that that wasn't my reading. Uh so, Yeah, 134 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:40.560 so game B they talk about it as a new 135 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:44.160 operating system for civilization. This Emancipation Party did not get 136 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:48.879 off the ground because the Millennials, as Jim explains it, 137 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:53.560 loved the platform, but they decide they were such anarchists 138 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:56.040 that the concept of a new political party was an 139 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:59.720 anethma to them, and so Thorn Mueller was part of 140 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:02.319 this Stanton meetings group and told them they should keep 141 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:07.079 the name game B for branding purposes. So they kind 142 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:11.879 of left the Emancipation Party launched concept and they moved 143 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:16.759 forward with this game b Idea and Jim Rutt has 144 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:20.199 written a manifesto like a Journey to gamebe He wrote 145 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:23.040 it in twenty eighteen, but he keeps updating it and 146 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:26.680 it's a pretty lengthy document of his prediction. And it's 147 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:30.240 pretty interesting because he says that twenty forty five is 148 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:34.720 when these proto game bees will come to fruition. And 149 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:38.240 I think that's just an interesting time mark because what 150 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:40.320 do we have in twenty forty five? We've got the 151 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:44.919 AI World Society, which is the UN centennial partnership with 152 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:48.759 the Boston Global Forum based on the book that Michael Ducaccus, 153 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.960 the former governor of Massachusetts, wrote, and it's called Remaking 154 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:56.039 the World towards an Age of Global Enlightenment. I do 155 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.039 think that's a nod to the New Age movement. When 156 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:02.519 you look at the website, the semiotics very much indicate so. 157 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:06.000 And this is of course the vision for the centennial 158 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:09.960 of the UN, where an Artificial Intelligence World Society will 159 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:12.720 take over. Sounds a little like the Singularity to me, 160 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:15.879 what do we have? Ray Herzwell saying the Singularity is 161 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:18.320 a mirror? When is it? It's twenty forty five. So 162 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:21.960 I thought it was a very interesting Marker timestamp that 163 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:25.639 Jim Rudd is saying twenty forty five is when we're 164 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:28.440 going to have these proto vis. So game Beat does 165 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:30.840 a lot of them are disciples of people like Barbara 166 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:35.559 Marx Hubbard. Barbara Marx Hubbard was a She visioned herself 167 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:41.799 a futurist. She was. She led this concept of a 168 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:46.960 conscious evolution. The foundation was funded by the Rockefellers. Some 169 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:50.919 of her disciples have written a manifesto on cosmoerotic Humanism, 170 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:55.240 so this would be yes, it's the first Values and 171 00:09:55.320 --> 00:10:00.399 first Principles on Evolving Perennialism, forty two propositions on on 172 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:04.200 cosmoerotic Humanism, and it's a three. I know. 173 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:09.159 They said it was a synchronistic, synergistic experience. This is 174 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:13.200 how Mark Gafney describes it. He and Barbara had this 175 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:14.879 vision all at once. 176 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:19.120 And it was just this super sex moment that about 177 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:24.000 and Mark Gaffney has an Aeros mystery school. They're very 178 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.919 explicit this is not about sex, you know, even though 179 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:29.720 that's what aeros. That's the type of love Roos is 180 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:32.600 supposed to be. And of course super sex has the 181 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:35.320 word sex literally in the name, but they say that's 182 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:37.559 not what it's about. It's this radical love affair with 183 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:38.200 the universe. 184 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:42.519 But Mark Gaffney is one of the authors of this 185 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:45.279 Cosmoerotic Humunists manifesto. 186 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:47.399 You can find it at the Office of the Future 187 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:50.399 dot com. You know, it's pretty easy to predict the 188 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:51.360 future when you plan it. 189 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:55.600 That's so we see that over and over again where 190 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:58.559 they make themselves out to be profits despite the fact 191 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:01.720 that they've just been working behind the scenes continually to 192 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:02.480 bring about the thing. 193 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:07.799 Subtexts, Yeah, there architecture, no visionaries or maybe visionary, but 194 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:12.559 not profits. Yeah, so he so they it's yeah, Mark 195 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:16.320 Gaffney who's working on his aeros Mystery school. He's doing 196 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:20.720 cross promotion with Aubrey Marcus on this and he talks 197 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:23.960 about how we have to revive the ancient mystery. 198 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:27.120 So is very much signaling that this is an initiation. 199 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:30.759 Interestingly enough, there is a film called an Initiation to 200 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:35.360 Game B. So they do very much create. I keep 201 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:39.240 saying I need to create a sorcery because they redefine terms. 202 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:41.320 This is a theme we see with all of these 203 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:44.720 types of people, right. Jorden Hall actually has a document 204 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:49.200 on Mediums called on Sovereignty, and he explicitly says sovereignty 205 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.679 is isn't what we typically think it means. You know, 206 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:55.879 it's not about nation states having you know, autonomy, and 207 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:59.840 it's not about individuals magically being able to make their 208 00:11:59.879 --> 00:12:04.960 own decisions. So he has redefined the term. And that's 209 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:09.399 just one example. But they so this cosmo rodic humanism. 210 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:13.440 Their Disciples of Farmer Marks Hubbard is zach Stein, who 211 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.159 is also involved in the Game B film The Initiation 212 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.120 to Game B. He was inducted to the Club of 213 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:21.759 Rome last year. Another one of the filmmakers for GAMEB 214 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:26.159 is Nora Batesen, daughter of Gregory Bateson, and she's also 215 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:32.159 a Club of Rome member. And then we have Daniel Schmockenberger. 216 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:37.519 He is he's one of the founders of it's now 217 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:40.600 called Quality of Life, but it was called Neurowhacker again 218 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:45.360 the renaming, and his brother James Schmockenberger, has launched this company. 219 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:47.960 But if you look on the website, it's something like 220 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:53.879 sixty board members and everybody and all the game thought 221 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:56.720 leaders are in it, and so are people like all 222 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:00.639 the evolutionary leaders people like the Bronk Chopra are on 223 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:06.759 this neurohacker now quality of life. So it's a Danish Schmockenberger. 224 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:10.440 And then who was the other one, Oh, Kenneth Wolber, 225 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:15.120 of course, Kenneth Wolber. You know his developments of altitudes. 226 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:19.200 That's based on Claire Grave's spiral dynamics. It's also based 227 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:23.919 on Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Abraham Maslow is another 228 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.799 interesting character that definitely falls in line with all of 229 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:29.399 this and kind of paves the way. He had a 230 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:33.440 document called Politics three that was published posthumously in nineteen 231 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:36.879 seventy two, and it was published by Robert Canter and 232 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:40.919 Willis Harmon. Willis Harmon it was the president of the 233 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:44.960 Institute of Noedic Sciences for two decades, and he was 234 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:49.320 also one of the lead researchers and editors on the 235 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:52.120 Changing Images of Man document that was done in partnership 236 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:58.480 Stanford Research Institute. And he used his assistance name Marilyn 237 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:02.200 Ferguson to popularize the ideas in that and that was 238 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:05.679 called The Acquiring Conspiracy, so people might be familiar with 239 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:10.600 that book. And so these are kind of the disciples 240 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:13.120 of that school of thought. Barbara Marks Hubbard was at 241 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.600 of course, also an intellectual disciple of T. R. J. 242 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:19.759 Shardain Right who coined this term of the no sphere. 243 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:22.120 He wasn't the only one, you know, there was Vernatsky 244 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:26.320 and there were several others, but he was very much 245 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:30.440 a thought leader in that space of, you know, outlining 246 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:34.799 what the nosphere would be. And you see that theme constantly. 247 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:37.639 So this is what I'm this is what I'm proposing, 248 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:40.440 is that we have these different flavors of something. While 249 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:45.080 Game B is presented as being very decentralized, kind of grassroots, 250 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:50.279 but I caution people to remember H. G. Wells said 251 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:53.080 that the conduit to the oral brain would be the 252 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:57.399 decentralization of information institutions. Of course, back then it was 253 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:01.120 the academic institutions. But what are the information institutions today? 254 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:05.440 I would argue, it's the Internet, It's the technology. And 255 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:11.559 in Belagie Shrina Austin's book on the Network State, he 256 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:13.960 actually does say that. He says he doesn't talk about 257 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:16.639 ag Wells, but he talks about how it's all going 258 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.240 to be decentralized. You know, we'll have a dissolution of 259 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:23.559 geographical nation states in favor of ideological network states, but 260 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:27.080 then later they will be recentralized. So he even says 261 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:29.480 it in his book that that is the purpose. But 262 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:33.600 right now they're very much appealing under the banner of libertarianism. 263 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:36.320 You know, I would argue that's what Peter Chield is prospera. 264 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:39.080 So there's overlap between these two groups, right that Peter 265 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.919 Chield usually thought of as being more of the dark 266 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.559 Enlightenment camp, but we're starting to see some convergence between 267 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:48.279 the two. And I just really keep saying that to me, 268 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:51.320 it looks like you get a buffet, like a book 269 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:53.960 buffet of poisonous ice cream. You can't see all the 270 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.960 poisonous chemicals that are in there, but you know, you 271 00:15:57.039 --> 00:15:59.720 might see your favorite flavor. So if you prefer chalcolatere 272 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.120 for first strawberry or vanilla or whatever flavor, that they've 273 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:04.200 got something there for you. 274 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:08.559 But yeah, yeah, you can pick your preferred salesman for 275 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.679 this globalist insanity. They have many different faces that they 276 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:16.639 love to market with. My producer Lance has been telling 277 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:21.440 me about this past week. Just recently, they Google released 278 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:23.879 a self improving AI that was able to not just 279 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:27.120 improve itself but on an algorithm that has been used 280 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:31.279 for decades, and so there's diminishing returns right now. But 281 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:33.360 this is a sign of things to come. This sort 282 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:35.279 of thing is coming down the pipeline and it's going 283 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:40.159 to becoming faster than people think it is. So it's 284 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.840 also interesting to me that they're pointing at twenty forty 285 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:46.039 five and they also have another other agendas which are coming. 286 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:48.080 They want to come to fruition in twenty thirty five, 287 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:51.919 whether it's technological, and it seems that that ten year 288 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:54.480 timeline would give them more than enough time to implement 289 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:57.519 these horrific policies, bring them to fruition and have people 290 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:00.279 get fed up with the current status quo and to 291 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.279 welcome just about anything to get away from what we 292 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:07.079 currently have with the you know, way the globalists have 293 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:09.440 managed things. And of course they love to think in 294 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:12.200 these long term timelines. That's one of the areas that 295 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.400 they excel in. They plan things out in terms of 296 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.319 decades at minimum. They sit there with you know, in 297 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:22.640 their clouded back rooms and they work together in these 298 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:25.359 very incestuous sorts of groups where they all tie back 299 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:28.279 into one another. So it is very interesting to me, 300 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:30.440 as you said that is a twenty forty five where 301 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:35.599 they're looking at the singularity happening. So I would be yes, 302 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:38.000 I would be very surprised if it didn't even accelerate 303 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:38.480 from there. 304 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:43.519 In my opinion, yeah, I think it will accelerate from there. 305 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:47.880 I think they're really laying the groundwork right now, and 306 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:50.640 they're laying it out in so many different ways to 307 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:53.880 appeal to different people. So another modality is of course 308 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:56.200 the financial system, right and we're seeing a lot of 309 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:01.359 that discussion currently where people are cheering the fact that 310 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:07.559 Trump has put his executive order against cbdc's and I'm 311 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.559 glad he did, but now he's talking about things like 312 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:14.200 the stable coins, and he've got the Stable Act marching forward, 313 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:18.240 the Genius under the Genius Act, And what we have is, 314 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.680 I think it's much harder to sell some of this 315 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:27.880 top down kind of centralized authoritative financial system like a 316 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:29.799 central bank digital currency. A lot of people in the 317 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:32.160 West and particularly the United States, I think a lot 318 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:35.279 of people have kind of wakened up to the potential 319 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:38.960 tyranny that could arise as a result, and so there's 320 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:42.799 I think too much pushback to roll that out. But 321 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:47.759 they can do it under different banners, and of course 322 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:51.119 in the dark and Lightenment variation, we have things like 323 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:53.519 the gov Corp. Right, a lot of people are very 324 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:57.880 excited about things like DOGE and you know, there, I'm 325 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:02.160 all in favor of efficiency, in favor of transparency, expose 326 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:07.319 all the bloated apparatus and the bloated spending. That's all great. However, 327 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:11.039 behind that is this concept of the dark Enlightenment, which 328 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:14.640 is rage retire all government employees. What do they want 329 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:17.720 to replace all those government employees with? They want to 330 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.240 replace it with robotics and AI. And they're pretty explicit 331 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:23.519 about this. This is not you know, maybe hidden the 332 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:27.200 plain sight, but it's certainly not hidden. Yeah, and you know, 333 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.359 they have made that pretty clear. I'm hoping there's opportunities 334 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:32.799 in that window before they're able to roll that out, 335 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:36.759 and people should absolutely seize whatever opportunities arise. But I 336 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:39.720 think they need to be aware that that's where they're headed. 337 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:44.920 And I think a AI managed system could be way 338 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:49.160 more tyrannical than any fascist or communist type of approach. 339 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:51.440 Not that I'm in favor of any of them, but 340 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:55.640 I do think the technocratic, you know, regime that they're 341 00:19:55.640 --> 00:20:00.599 trying to roll out is very very dystopian. Now they're 342 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:02.759 trying to do for people who are not in favor 343 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:06.319 of a gov Corp type of situation, which, by the way, 344 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:10.559 I think also people don't necessarily recognize that, or if 345 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:12.880 they do, I'd like to just highlight the fact that 346 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:16.279 this gov Corp is privatizing everything. So I think a 347 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:18.480 lot of people champion that because they think that that's 348 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:21.599 going to be more freedom, and they have this notion 349 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:25.319 of it being capitalistic in a free market sense. But 350 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:29.920 it's much more gov Corp, not so much free market 351 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:32.920 where the little guy can have a startup business. That's 352 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:36.319 not what they're talking about here. People like Curtis Jarvin, 353 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:40.000 who helm this Dark Enlightenment movement, have even said America 354 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:43.200 needs to get over their fear of the dictatorship because 355 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:46.640 that is the best system. I might be paraphrasing, but 356 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:53.000 basically what he said. So these figures are it's they 357 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:56.359 fashion themselves philosophers. Although I have read their material, this 358 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:59.240 is a you know, it's not any great philosophy, and 359 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:04.000 it's very poor writing, quite honestly, But somehow the intellectual 360 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:07.160 is eat it up. I'm not sure how, but maybe 361 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:09.920 in a sound bite society, it's very appealing to have 362 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:15.119 these long bloviations about, you know, our dystopian future. But 363 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:19.559 in the more game be with the kind of libertarian 364 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:24.799 type of umbrella they're advertising tokenized it. It's still a gamified, 365 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:28.200 tokenized economy, but it's more under a banner of something 366 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:34.960 like communitarianism. They keep they keep mentioning West's book on 367 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:39.319 scales and so and dumbar and they so they have 368 00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:42.119 this vision that you have to have communities that are 369 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:44.960 less than one hundred and fifty people because they say 370 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:48.359 that more than one hundred and fifty people you need bureaucracy. 371 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:53.680 And so with the smaller communities you could have put 372 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:58.799 theoretically you could be devoid of bureaucracy. However, what's going 373 00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:01.440 to replace that bureaucracy. It's the same thing as the 374 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:04.759 gov Core. It's going to be done under. Jordan Hall 375 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:08.160 talks about hyperstructure and he says that you know, bitcoin 376 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:10.960 would be an example of hyperstructure, but he's really talking 377 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:14.240 about is blockchain. And he says even more than Bitcoin, 378 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:18.920 he's an advocate of you know, proof of work types 379 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:23.000 of blockchain. So things like Qui network is something he's 380 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.680 a big proponent of. But it's still this concept of 381 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:32.079 having things like tokenized gamified economy where things are where 382 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:36.079 assets can be fractionalized, and people think that sounds great. 383 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:39.000 They're marketing it and selling it to you as Oh, 384 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:41.839 so I could have a partial ownership of something if 385 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:44.279 I can't fully afford to own, you know, a piece 386 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:46.839 of real estate or a piece of art or whatever 387 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:50.559 that asset might be. They're talking about tangible assets, but 388 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:53.519 you would like to think the example I you is 389 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:56.960 you'd like to think that family members and loved ones 390 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:00.960 could share assets. But unfortunately, this is why you know, 391 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:04.559 estate lawyers exist because it doesn't always quite work out 392 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:08.680 that way. So, but that's what they're talking about. They're 393 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:12.680 talking about a tokenized economy, and that could be just 394 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:17.240 as you know, draconian and tyrannical. You know, you still 395 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:21.160 need an idea to enter a digital ID. You still 396 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.640 have some sort of a social credit system within that community. 397 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:28.519 I'm sure that if you do something that they decide 398 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:31.119 that doesn't but forget if the community doesn't like it, 399 00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:34.720 but it did not comply with the smart contract that 400 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:37.480 has been instituted, right because it's a hyperstructure. They want 401 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:40.119