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<v Speaker 1>You see something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What what's going to happen? I'll take.

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<v Speaker 3>What's up everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here with my co host that of just a

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<v Speaker 2>mail bag, we thought we'd do a Friday night symbolic

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<v Speaker 2>or symbolism pot luck where we're just taking symbols and

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<v Speaker 2>we're throwing them out to you and seeing what you

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<v Speaker 2>can do with them, and we're going back and forth

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<v Speaker 2>on it. So, uh Nick, go ahead and tell them

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<v Speaker 2>what you got coming up, what you got where they

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<v Speaker 2>can find you and everything else?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, yeah, the Occult Rejects. You can find that

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<v Speaker 1>on all major podcasts and then we also on what

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<v Speaker 1>else will uh bit shoot, rumble and YouTube. One thing

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<v Speaker 1>I will mention though, also is that you might actually

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<v Speaker 1>find more stuff on the audio, so that's just something

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<v Speaker 1>you know, or maybe find things released earlier on audio.

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<v Speaker 1>So definitely check out the audio for people that are

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<v Speaker 1>constantly watching YouTube. And if you, oh, you actually and

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't mind, let me actually promote the stickers

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<v Speaker 1>and the shirts too. I forget about that.

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<v Speaker 4>We got free stickers. We got this going this beauty

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<v Speaker 4>right here. Got that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want the free stickers, just email me at

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<v Speaker 1>DM me on Twitter or Instagram and I will send

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<v Speaker 1>those out. If you have any stories for Headless for

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<v Speaker 1>his mail bag, include your address, I'll send it over

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<v Speaker 1>to me and I'll send you stickers as well. We

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<v Speaker 1>also got T shirts now, same image right there that

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<v Speaker 1>I showed the girl with the ceashell, you got that.

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<v Speaker 1>And we do have another image the silent Rainbow that

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<v Speaker 1>I have posted a lot. We got those on black

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<v Speaker 1>T shirts medium large and extra largest, twenty five hours shipped,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll have those shirts at the events that we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to. We do have a bunch of events. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just I have that posted on my on my end.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there's a couple events that will be going

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<v Speaker 1>to in October and November. And uh the shirts are

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<v Speaker 1>basically to help pay for like the Airbnb and the

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<v Speaker 1>traveling because I will be traveling and having them stay places.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh yeah, the shirt will actually help promote us

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<v Speaker 1>getting to these events too if you buy any. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>check out the show notes if you want to see

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<v Speaker 1>where the events will be. And uh yeah, dm me

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter, Instagram or email me if you want any

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<v Speaker 1>shirts of stickers. Thank you And if you buy a shirt,

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<v Speaker 1>I've thrown some stickers as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus, that shirt is a great conversation starter if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to start to explain to people a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of the optic eye symbolism. That.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that is interesting. I do forget to mention that

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<v Speaker 4>the one went to see shaw.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is a it is a depiction of

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of like the birth of Venus, obviously of

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<v Speaker 1>the inside the eyeball. So I mean it could be

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<v Speaker 1>a good conversation start like my man saying right here,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be like, oh, you know what, this is artistic

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<v Speaker 1>depiction of the inside of the eye, and you'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like that, And it makes so much sense with

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<v Speaker 2>aphrodite too. Yeah, yeah, you desire what you see. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's the perfect symbol for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, well that's why I even got that from I'm

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<v Speaker 1>totally honest, you know, took that from Empedicalles when he

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<v Speaker 1>talked about aphrodite being the flame dancing in the back

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<v Speaker 1>of your eye, you know, And I was like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I throw aphrodite in the or supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, all those medieval artists that kept reproducing the Birth

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<v Speaker 2>of Venus, they were all drawing from that Empedocles reference

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<v Speaker 2>when they were making it seem like an eyeball, like

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<v Speaker 2>the inside of an eyeball, inside that shell, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's that sort of contrast between what you desire

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<v Speaker 2>and what you see that I think that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these people were playing off of, especially what we

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<v Speaker 2>know of is the most popular version of the Birth

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<v Speaker 2>of Venus. It was almost drawn in two D, almost

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<v Speaker 2>like a uh Egyptian style, right, because as he was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to show, hey, this this thing that you're looking at,

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<v Speaker 2>this is an object of your desire. It's not the

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<v Speaker 2>totality of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be in a bit of a different sort

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<v Speaker 1>of perspective, a boy making some noises over there.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the first time I've heard it, cat buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't usually nail at me, but I guess this

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<v Speaker 2>time he wanted some petance. All right, So what do

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<v Speaker 2>we have first on deck?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Mine is I do?

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<v Speaker 1>This was an interesting one, and I even find it interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'll get into it, but like even Wikipedia

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledges this in a certain way that I was just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that is that is very interesting. So what you have

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<v Speaker 1>up on the screen is the one of the uh

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<v Speaker 1>the Seal of Suleiman, which eventually turns into the Seal

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<v Speaker 1>of Solomon. Origins and first appearance, the Seal of Sulaiman

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<v Speaker 1>is often identified with the six pointed star, but in

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<v Speaker 1>Arabic tradition also drawn as a hexagram with chronic inscriptions,

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<v Speaker 1>talismanic squares, or angelic names. It emerged in the early

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<v Speaker 1>Islamic mysticism and magical sciences, while its form echoes older

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<v Speaker 1>near Eastern and Jewish traditions. It becomes distinctly Arabic and

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<v Speaker 1>Islamic from around the ninth and tenth centuries, when it

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<v Speaker 1>is first recorded in magic and magical and alchemical texts.

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<v Speaker 1>The name comes the prophet Soliman or Solomon Solomon reverreed

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<v Speaker 1>in Islam as a prophet king given command over jin

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<v Speaker 1>and nature by God. His seal became a mystical emblem

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<v Speaker 1>of cosmic authority, adopted by occultists, sufis, and talisman makers.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna switch over to another image of Oops, skip ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>This even came up as it, which I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting because I'm pretty sure Headless has actually shown

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<v Speaker 1>something very similar to this a few times on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I even had asked him, did you cover this because

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to make sure. I'm like, did I forget

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<v Speaker 1>because this image looks so fucking familiar, So and he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, no, I haven't. And I was like all right,

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<v Speaker 1>good because I was just like looking at it, like okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen this.

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<v Speaker 2>So have you ever heard of emoji theory? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, no, that might be I heard it. May possibly

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<v Speaker 1>that might be what Tyrone has talked about. Maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 1>someone tell me what you what is this emoji theory.

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<v Speaker 2>Emoji theory states that all of the emojis you have

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<v Speaker 2>in your emoji keyboard come from the Solomonic magic. So

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<v Speaker 2>this one right here would be the guy with the

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<v Speaker 2>two eyes that are like points, and then he's got

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<v Speaker 2>the face like uh oh, something's happening, and so he's

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<v Speaker 2>got the straight mouth across and so you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>secret of Solomon is like the oops.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, I like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay where it was seen and used.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been seen in medieval Arabic Grimoire's that Sham's al

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<v Speaker 1>Marie Book of the Sun of Noses the thirteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>then includes numerous seals and sigils attributed to Soliman, and

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<v Speaker 1>these often combined the hexagram chronic verses and magic squares

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<v Speaker 1>the architecture and manuscripts. Seals of Soliman were inscribed on

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<v Speaker 1>mosque walls, emulets, and chronic bindings in medieval Islamic world,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in Cairo and Baghdad Ottoman Palasman's fifteenth to seventeenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>this seal became a dominant tropy. I always fucked that

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<v Speaker 1>word hope emblem often printed on banners, weapons and charms

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<v Speaker 1>to ensure divine victory. In North Africa, Berber and mag

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<v Speaker 1>Maghrebi amulets often have these hexagrams inscribed with the names

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<v Speaker 1>of Allah and chronic verses as protective sigils, meaning in

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<v Speaker 1>medieval usage, this seal carried, you know, layered significances. Soliman

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<v Speaker 1>used it for divine He used it to command the

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<v Speaker 1>gin by God's will. His seal symbolized power over hidden

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<v Speaker 1>forces and mastery of the unseen. It was used for

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<v Speaker 1>our protection as a talisman against the evil eye, illness,

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<v Speaker 1>and malevolent spirits. Is In Islamic alchemy, the hexagram represented

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<v Speaker 1>the union of fire and water, male and female, microcosm

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<v Speaker 1>and macrocosm. There's another one we got up there. Certain

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<v Speaker 1>Sufi orders use the seal and meditative diagrams linking into

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<v Speaker 1>geometry to divine unity and balance. How it's used today

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<v Speaker 1>in spiritual practices and parts of North Africa and South Asia.

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<v Speaker 1>Amulates with the Seal of Soliman are still carried for

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<v Speaker 1>protection in Sufi and esoteric orders. Some groups continue to

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<v Speaker 1>draw the seal in ritual contexts as meditation on God's

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<v Speaker 1>names and cosmic harmony. In art and design, the hexagram

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<v Speaker 1>seal is reoccurring motif in Islamic calligraphy, carpets and architecture

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<v Speaker 1>are often filled with Arabic inscriptions, and in pop cultures

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes confused with the Jewish Star of David. The Islamic

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<v Speaker 1>Seal of Solimon is used in jewelry, tattoos and artwork

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<v Speaker 1>as general symbol of mysticism and magical protection. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a couple other images. I don't know if that one

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<v Speaker 1>shows up, Well, got this one too. What I do

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<v Speaker 1>find is interesting is that on Wikipedia it does attribute

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<v Speaker 1>that symbol to Israel's flag.

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<v Speaker 4>So I find it interesting how it's Islamic but it's

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<v Speaker 4>not is Reel flag.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, interesting?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think what a lot of people don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>about the Hebrew language is that it's Afroasiatic. Indo European

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<v Speaker 2>would be Indian and europe and Afro Asiatic obviously much

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<v Speaker 2>more Islamic, right, so the seals in the Islamic culture

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<v Speaker 2>are the same. And what's interesting about this one? Really quickly, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>did you.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about this too, because I know you've showed something

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<v Speaker 1>that looked just like this too.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't me. It wasn't me, I promise, FBI, FBI,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't me. I didn't do it. But this symbol

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<v Speaker 2>over on the far left hand side, the square with

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<v Speaker 2>little squiggles on the outside, was drawn all over the

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<v Speaker 2>trans shooter's rifle, all over it. I'm looking for an

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<v Speaker 2>image right now of it. Oh wow, that's exactly the

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<v Speaker 2>symbol that they were using. You see far left hand side,

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<v Speaker 2>right in the middle, the square with the squiggles on

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<v Speaker 2>the corners. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was all over the rifle.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, I've seen that before. What the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Wait? All right, I just want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>this is the one you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this one, that's the one. Yeah, that's the one

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<v Speaker 2>that was drawn all over the thing. So there might

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<v Speaker 2>be a Kabbala angle for this whole thing that we

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<v Speaker 2>haven't really gotten looks like it does. So how many

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<v Speaker 2>more trans days of rage do we need for the

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<v Speaker 2>cabala to start being looked at?

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<v Speaker 4>Yo? I mean that's it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I've even seen other people saying it now too,

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<v Speaker 1>But like, go for real, for real, how many of

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<v Speaker 1>these last kind of mass shootings have been from that whatever?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how many more do we have to have

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<v Speaker 1>that we're just going to ignore it again? I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying like, oh, we got to go round up every

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<v Speaker 1>person like that, but obviously there's something to fuck there.

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<v Speaker 1>And if these things are staged, what are they saying

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<v Speaker 1>by constantly using these people? There is something with that

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<v Speaker 1>either you're trying to say something. Are they more susceptible

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<v Speaker 1>to being empty culture? There's some reason why they're there,

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<v Speaker 1>not just perchance a coincidence, like you know, like Ricardo says,

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<v Speaker 1>coincidence takes planning. These people, there's planning, and these types

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<v Speaker 2>And then I would suggest going back into the classical

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<v Speaker 2>why so many people are cutting off their junk. Is

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<v Speaker 2>there ever an explanation for that? We don't see it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really you know, but somehow, you know, in the

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<v Speaker 2>Book of Acts, they talk about having long conversations with

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<v Speaker 2>this Ethiopian eunuch and he's somehow connected to royalty, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the government? What is going on with that? So the

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<v Speaker 2>government was using UNIX back then for anything they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to and nobody's talking about why the government back then

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<v Speaker 2>we want to use UNIXT. And what we see today

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<v Speaker 2>where the government is using unis really close to a

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<v Speaker 2>one to one comparison. Right, we're kind of discovering what's

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<v Speaker 1>We need is a denaries to show up. Now throw

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<v Speaker 1>did you ever watch Game of Throws? She had that

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<v Speaker 2>She did have the Unit army. Again, they were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to describe why they would want eunuchs. Right, these people

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they they assumed, right, but there could be

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<v Speaker 2>something deeper and more psychological about it than what we're

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<v Speaker 2>with something, and didn't she fall in love with like

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<v Speaker 2>the commander of one of the unit armies or something.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes she did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you must have had a strong head game. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he could touch his eyebrows with his tongue, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>But that that almost encompasses all the all of the

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<v Speaker 2>psychological angles as well. You know, there's some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>strong head game with these.

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<v Speaker 4>People, you know what you think?

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<v Speaker 1>That even makes me think of like what you what

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<v Speaker 1>possibly being symbolized in the gnostic mess I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>guy's just going down on her. There's actually no you know,

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<v Speaker 1>male penetration.

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<v Speaker 2>Technically, it could be. I mean, there's so much about

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<v Speaker 2>the female orgasm that is associated with the oracle and insanity.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that was more of like a nineteenth century thing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So they had hysteria. What is hysteria? It's because you've

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, back then it wasn't seen like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, you've got a womb, therefore that puts

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<v Speaker 2>you in touch with the divine. And I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of what the ancient saw as like the division

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<v Speaker 2>the man is projected.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well that's even like cabbala basics right there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Or dualism really magnetic project you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens when you make the projective receptive? Right there?

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<v Speaker 2>You go. You've got that dichotomy there that maybe people

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<v Speaker 2>What happens when you make the projective receptive and so

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<v Speaker 2>these basic alchemical and magical principles might be being used again.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that would almost be like a black hole.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be projected, blast out, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>create itself and then sync back.

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<v Speaker 2>In like a black hole. Chaos, Right, that's the idea.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the idea. If you're if you're taking it to

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<v Speaker 2>a sociological bend, you can really see the benefit of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got chaos anytime I need it, unix everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, you just put on the news,

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<v Speaker 1>but right well that's the same thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So there could be something deeply mystical about this. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how delicate the balance is and how close

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<v Speaker 2>it is related it to nature.

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<v Speaker 1>I even think a lot of it's just a symbolism.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess again, I think it all goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>like showing that that holds you know, that hermaphrodite sits there,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's to who he used the.

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<v Speaker 4>Hero's journey to go. There's gonna be death involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right. They know it, and from their their ivory towers,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, it's okay to mess with the balance because

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<v Speaker 2>we can use it to our advantage. But how long

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<v Speaker 2>does that work? How long does that that hold out?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's when you're starting to uh, imposing your

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<v Speaker 1>will onto nature.

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<v Speaker 4>That just doesn't work out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, right, we're part of nature. We're part of nature.

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<v Speaker 1>It's saying, yeah, you know, yeah, just the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>the way this ecosystem should work on its own, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the monet has no problem, the planet can

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<v Speaker 1>keep it regulated itself.

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<v Speaker 4>Humans fuck it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right, and we do it in the most horrific

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<v Speaker 2>ways over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thats right, bro.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know nature always finds this balance, and what

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<v Speaker 2>we end up finding is that the current system we

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<v Speaker 2>have will be balanced by nature, and that nature is

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes us. That's just the way things go. And all

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<v Speaker 2>of the numerology and all of the spells you cast,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't stop that from happening. We have to achieve rebalance,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think we're going to do that with

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<v Speaker 2>transhumanism and inserting microchips into our brain. That's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. It's almost like that's the bridge too

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<v Speaker 2>far right now. But we're looking at the bridge and

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<v Speaker 2>the bridge is man with eunuchs, and that bridge is

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<v Speaker 2>not pretty, and we don't want to go over that bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>And so a lot of people have rejected it. But

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<v Speaker 2>does that mean that they lost complete control? And it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like they're ready for the pushback, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>they've got this army of people who don't necessarily see

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<v Speaker 2>themselves as people, They see themselves as something other than that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting, interesting all the guys of altruism, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think that the two main components of magic,

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<v Speaker 2>the basic polarity is tension and release. Tension and release. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it, right. So the way I got to this

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<v Speaker 2>was I think I probably brought it up last episode.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about the the te that I was

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<v Speaker 2>making for occult meetings. One of the guys there, he

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<v Speaker 2>was a staunch atheist, but he still showed up to

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<v Speaker 2>the meetings for some reason, and he's like, take your

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<v Speaker 2>finger and push as hard as you possibly can without

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<v Speaker 2>moving your finger. Keep pushing as hard as you possibly

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<v Speaker 2>can without moving your finger. That's the tension. And then

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<v Speaker 2>without moving it all, you can have a release of

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<v Speaker 2>that same finger without ever moving it. Tension and release

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<v Speaker 2>is not associated with movement. It's something internal.

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<v Speaker 1>Like where you're going with that, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>You see. So when you've got that ability to do

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<v Speaker 2>and to see the tension and release within yourself, that's

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<v Speaker 2>when you can really start using magic to its fullest extent.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because that tension and release within yourself is more

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<v Speaker 2>real than the rest of the universe, and you're using

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<v Speaker 2>it and we end up getting used by it. They

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<v Speaker 2>can induce the tension, they can induce the release. These

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<v Speaker 2>two things don't have to be the way they are

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<v Speaker 2>if you have control over that within yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that even honestly, that even really goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to my physical experiences before it cross the Abyss, even

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<v Speaker 1>on my pineal gland, it feels like, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pushing on it all of a sudden. At one point

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like whatever my pressure was is now coming

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<v Speaker 1>back towards me, even though I'm did it. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>it switched polarity. Fucking weird, right, and again he almost

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<v Speaker 1>goes to that black hole thing again. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just fucking yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about the beat structure for any song, tension and release.

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<v Speaker 2>All of these they frequency tension and released, all tension

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<v Speaker 2>and release. That's one of the big sort of revelations

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<v Speaker 2>that I've come to this week. It's just it's so perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you don't have to describe anything else other

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<v Speaker 2>than tension and release to cover everything in the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Potential energy, kinetic energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was the first thing I thought of when

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<v Speaker 1>you said that it was ship like that. I was like, Yo,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like a really fuck I really like that that

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<v Speaker 1>way of saying it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that even.

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<v Speaker 4>Works with Jack Parsons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Boy, that's the fundamental polarity. And this is what

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<v Speaker 2>I brought from my symbol, which is the southern cross.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice tension and release, the cross right you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, let's say with the energetic layout of the

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<v Speaker 2>planet Earth, right, the energy flows into the north right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is why we have the north pole that takes

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<v Speaker 2>your compass and then orients it to the north. It's

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<v Speaker 2>taking in energy, right, that's what the north pole is,

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<v Speaker 2>and that energy comes out at the South pole, and

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<v Speaker 2>this would be the South pole stars. Right, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the Southern Cross. Now, it's interesting that the Southern hemisphere

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<v Speaker 2>has really derivative and unoriginal type mythology and constellations because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously most of the people who are studying

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<v Speaker 2>the stars were doing so from the northern hemisphere and

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't really looking at the Southern hemisphere so much

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<v Speaker 2>so when they got around and naming the constellations, they

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of went with derivatives. But I think the

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<v Speaker 2>Southern Cross is a good example of what's coming through

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<v Speaker 2>the planet with magnetism. Right, it's the crossing of the

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<v Speaker 2>celestial and the earthly because all of that earthly energy

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<v Speaker 2>is coming at the bottom of that pole, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>through the bottom of the pole, that's what it crosses.

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<v Speaker 2>As it's coming through the celestial energy, so it's being distributed.

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<v Speaker 2>It returns back to the apple shaped Taurus to the

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<v Speaker 2>top again, right, tension and release, and so the Southern Cross,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is it a good example of very specifically

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<v Speaker 2>choosing which stars to be associated with this because you

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<v Speaker 2>can see in the middle of that cross, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>two stars, And if you've got the same sort of

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<v Speaker 2>heuristics to find where these things are, then you don't

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<v Speaker 2>really need the cross asterism as the basis. You could

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<v Speaker 2>just say, well, there's these two points that are right

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<v Speaker 2>at the middle of the Southern Cross, and we could

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<v Speaker 2>just say that that's the polarity or whatever make their

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<v Speaker 2>own thing. But instead they decided to go with these

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<v Speaker 2>four stars, which almost makes more sense because you've got

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<v Speaker 2>that crossing of energies that's coming out from the southern

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<v Speaker 2>tip of the Earth right there. So I think the

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<v Speaker 2>Southern Cross is a really significant example of well placed

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<v Speaker 2>and well thought out asterisms, because you know, you could

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<v Speaker 2>choose anything as an asterism. You could have had the

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<v Speaker 2>Southern triangle. You know, you've got three stars in there,

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<v Speaker 2>why not. But they had to go with the cross

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<v Speaker 2>because that has to be symbolic of the energies that

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<v Speaker 2>are being experienced at the far southern tip up of

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of celestial earthly energy crossover. So that's my

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<v Speaker 2>first symbol. What do you think.

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering if these like the circles are actually

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<v Speaker 1>like in size of like how big they think they are,

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<v Speaker 1>because I do find it interesting how like each one

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<v Speaker 1>of them. I guess they're not going to be perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>but like they both kind of look like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like one smaller and one obviously bigger. I was just

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<v Speaker 1>realizing that, how that's interesting to me. It's almost like

421
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<v Speaker 1>they look like a double.

422
00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:38.160
<v Speaker 2>It seems like it's at an angle, like one side

423
00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.119
<v Speaker 2>of the cross is further back than the other.

424
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, it almost looks three dimensional

425
00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:49.599
<v Speaker 1>and it's on a side tilt, right yeah yeah, yeah, No,

426
00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:50.799
<v Speaker 1>if I do like this.

427
00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.839
<v Speaker 2>For being derivative, I think they were going for the

428
00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:02.039
<v Speaker 2>pure symbol like nature of it, and they weren't attaching

429
00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:08.000
<v Speaker 2>any stories to them. So the Southern Hemisphere constellations are

430
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<v Speaker 2>less I guess, uh mythologically driven and more symbolically driven,

431
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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean.

432
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

433
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<v Speaker 1>I was even wondering if you like start connecting other

434
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<v Speaker 1>stars over here by it, would you end up getting

435
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:21.680
<v Speaker 1>other symbols?

436
00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh, definitely.

437
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:28.240
<v Speaker 1>Like even like the like the cross was like the

438
00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:30.279
<v Speaker 1>thing wrapped around it, Like I could see you maybe

439
00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:32.400
<v Speaker 1>making that with like you know, connecting these stars like

440
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:34.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, ship wrapping around the cross.

441
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:39.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, absolutely there could be snakes.

442
00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yes, yeah, which is interesting.

443
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<v Speaker 2>But I think it's interesting that the cross in the

444
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:51.960
<v Speaker 2>middle of everything has the polarity, right, you know on the.

445
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.640
<v Speaker 4>X and the top bottom, right, you've.

446
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<v Speaker 2>Got that sort of in there as well, different emanations.

447
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:04.119
<v Speaker 4>Right, even kind of showing boundaries beginning an end to

448
00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:04.920
<v Speaker 4>both you know.

449
00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Sides, right right. There's there's more to these asterisms than

450
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:13.680
<v Speaker 2>people give them credit for. And I think what you

451
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:16.519
<v Speaker 2>can you know, sort of get into the asterism and

452
00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:19.680
<v Speaker 2>understand that it could be several other things, like these

453
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:23.160
<v Speaker 2>are stick figures. How in the hell do most of

454
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<v Speaker 2>the stick figures we see in the Northern hemisphere actually

455
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<v Speaker 2>equate to this mythology we see in Greek whatever, Like

456
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:32.680
<v Speaker 2>they had to be on another level to actually name

457
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:35.559
<v Speaker 2>these asterisms and make the shapes out of these different

458
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.640
<v Speaker 2>stars and put them into their place, Like that was

459
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:42.160
<v Speaker 2>the thousands and thousands of year long process that doesn't

460
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:44.440
<v Speaker 2>get any appreciation because they're just like, well, they're just

461
00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:49.480
<v Speaker 2>stick figures. Well, there's an interplay between those stick figures.

462
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:53.039
<v Speaker 4>Where they got them from, right, right.

463
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.720
<v Speaker 2>So I think it's almost like these asterisms are our view,

464
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<v Speaker 2>our cultural view, of the divine and we see them

465
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:05.039
<v Speaker 2>late over and over again in mythology, and you know,

466
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:08.359
<v Speaker 2>people like Socrates got killed over that. He said, you'll

467
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:12.680
<v Speaker 2>never escape mythology. And then they're like, take that back,

468
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:16.920
<v Speaker 2>you blasphemer, And instead of taking it back, he decided

469
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<v Speaker 2>to drink the poison.

470
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 4>He was.

471
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:24.720
<v Speaker 2>He was perfectly willing to drink the poison because he

472
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:29.759
<v Speaker 2>knew he was right. And everything we've seen since has been, yeah,

473
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:31.519
<v Speaker 2>we're stuck in mythology.

474
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>He was.

475
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.599
<v Speaker 2>He was correct. He wasn't saying you'll ever get out.

476
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:39.200
<v Speaker 2>We're stuck in it. That's okay. I think I think

477
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:42.799
<v Speaker 2>that's fine, you know, I mean, really, what difference does

478
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:44.720
<v Speaker 2>it make if we are stuck in mythology or not.

479
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:50.599
<v Speaker 2>If we're stuck in it, then you know whatever. But

480
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.319
<v Speaker 2>I think people got so offended at the idea that

481
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 2>he would suggest such a thing that they got upset,

482
00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:01.119
<v Speaker 2>which is common. So what do you have for the

483
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:02.279
<v Speaker 2>next symbol? Here?

484
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, that's right, I got another one?

485
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Did you uh?

486
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:10.440
<v Speaker 1>The next one?

487
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

488
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there, we got it up nice, very good.

489
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:15.279
<v Speaker 4>Another another Arabic one.

490
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Was going with the Arabic stuff tonight, just him change

491
00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>it up a little different the two gra that is

492
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 1>the sultan's sigil.

493
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:24.200
<v Speaker 4>The ts are rulers.

494
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:27.480
<v Speaker 1>A monogram, seal or signature and Arabic script. It was

495
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:30.119
<v Speaker 1>designed at the start of a of a sultan's reign

496
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:38.039
<v Speaker 1>and then stamped or painted on furman's royal edicts, deeds, letters, coins, seals,

497
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:43.160
<v Speaker 1>and even buildings. Uh the visual signature of imperial authority.

498
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:45.240
<v Speaker 4>Famous.

499
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.480
<v Speaker 1>While famous in the Ottoman Empire, similar monograms appear in

500
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>neighboring courts later on. I guess, uh classical anatomy how

501
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.759
<v Speaker 1>to read one? A classical Ottoman togra has named parts

502
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.160
<v Speaker 1>you can point out in art or on coins. They'll

503
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:07.480
<v Speaker 1>normally be stacked script spelling the sultan's name, his father's name, titles,

504
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:10.240
<v Speaker 1>and often the motto God. I don't even know how

505
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:12.559
<v Speaker 1>to say this, ever, victorious. I'm not even gonna try

506
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>to say it in the other way. Sometimes they'll be uh,

507
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:20.240
<v Speaker 1>there'll be bayze or eggs. The two big ovals on

508
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 1>the left. Some sources read them as the two seas,

509
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:29.599
<v Speaker 1>the Mediterranean or the Black, the tugs, the three vertical

510
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:34.119
<v Speaker 1>shafts rising at the top, or Zulfi or the are

511
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 1>the s curves across them answer. The dagger is the

512
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:44.720
<v Speaker 1>right sweeping stroke and these uh yeah. Functionally, a tugra

513
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:49.359
<v Speaker 1>was hard to counterfeit. A standard version was kept by

514
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:54.279
<v Speaker 1>the chancery while illuminated, while illuminated show versions headed what

515
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.359
<v Speaker 1>the fuck? All right, sorry, I'm getting confused. He with

516
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>some of the notes. My bet skipped that first appearances

517
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>in early dates, all right, In thirteen twenty four to

518
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:07.519
<v Speaker 1>thirteen sixty two, you'll have the reign of Orehan. That

519
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.880
<v Speaker 1>is some of the earliest surviving tugra to tugrahs that

520
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>belonged to him. Then in fourteen thirty one, a carved

521
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:20.160
<v Speaker 1>tugra of Marad II is still visible at the Heptapay

522
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:24.839
<v Speaker 1>Pigeon fortress. These names man and that's an it's right

523
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>outside of Istanbul. Then in fifteen twenty and around fifteen

524
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>sixty six you have Suliman the first and you see

525
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:38.279
<v Speaker 1>him using it. Uh. And then now you also see

526
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.279
<v Speaker 1>it on paper again, like I mentioned before, every furman

527
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.119
<v Speaker 1>carried the reigning sultan's tugra at its head, and he

528
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.559
<v Speaker 1>was used in courts. Again, it was what you put

529
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>on coins, especially in the Ottoman area, they had that

530
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.000
<v Speaker 1>on the coins. And again it was on buildings. Like

531
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>I said, Uh, basically again what it meant it was

532
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the same nature of sovereignty, a visual stamped that validated orders,

533
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.799
<v Speaker 1>guaranteed authenticity, the Ottoman equivalent of a royal cipher or

534
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>a cartouche. It was also the evolving, highly stylized projected.

535
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.000
<v Speaker 4>It projected power, wealth.

536
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:21.480
<v Speaker 1>And artistic virtuosity of the court. Yeah, I guess that's

537
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:22.839
<v Speaker 1>about it for that. Let me see if I I

538
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>think I have other images I could show real quick.

539
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:38.359
<v Speaker 1>There it is on coins, there's another older, there's some

540
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:40.200
<v Speaker 1>of the names I was mentioning before here they are

541
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.519
<v Speaker 1>on this one. I just wasn't skipping the images of

542
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.119
<v Speaker 1>what I was going this time. Oh.

543
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, it's like a flow chart. You're seeing where it

544
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.839
<v Speaker 2>goes from one section to the other, and then all

545
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 2>of it is put in the context of the language

546
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:58.400
<v Speaker 2>that again, you know, the the Arabic language. The reason

547
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.759
<v Speaker 2>why it flows into one another was so well is

548
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.319
<v Speaker 2>because of the fact that it's supposed to be geometric

549
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:03.880
<v Speaker 2>in nature.

550
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:09.839
<v Speaker 1>Stuff.

551
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:10.240
<v Speaker 4>Interesting.

552
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:14.720
<v Speaker 2>So it's almost like a space ship, right. One of

553
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.680
<v Speaker 2>the ways that they explained like space travelers is through

554
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:21.759
<v Speaker 2>solar sailing, right, And so they've got these massive sales

555
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:25.200
<v Speaker 2>that pick up all the ions being emitted from the

556
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:34.519
<v Speaker 2>sun and then using that to sail outside the gall Right. Yeah, man,

557
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:39.119
<v Speaker 2>you've got sort of like a schematic almost right, and

558
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>you've got the heat loss from the from the top.

559
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:44.920
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting.

560
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:46.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean I say it all the time, and it's like,

561
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm even including myself on this. There isn't enough Arabic

562
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.480
<v Speaker 1>stuff I think even covered or acknowledged. There's tons of

563
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:54.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff when I think when it comes to occultism and cultism,

564
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean cult symbolism and especially alchemy where you got

565
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.599
<v Speaker 1>you we're sleeping on the Islamic shit or the Arabic shit.

566
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:04.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean there's even people on the OTO who.

567
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:08.240
<v Speaker 1>Are dressing up in Islamic fucking outfits when they were

568
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:10.440
<v Speaker 1>like kind of in charge of the police, So like,

569
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:11.119
<v Speaker 1>what's up with that?

570
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Well? My second symbol is the son and rad ooh,

571
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.440
<v Speaker 2>and I think I think the son and rad represents

572
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>a symbol that people have not fully accepted what the

573
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>defined meaning is, right, And I'll give you examples. So

574
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:40.839
<v Speaker 2>first off, we've got a son and rad which is

575
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>oh man, ah, they're all the wrong format.

576
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, you want to send them over to me

577
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:50.759
<v Speaker 1>and I'll try to wait, I'll have to convert them anyway, Right,

578
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:52.880
<v Speaker 1>what is it? I'll see if I can pull it

579
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:54.240
<v Speaker 1>up on my end anyway.

580
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.599
<v Speaker 2>Just look up Son and rad PNG and you'll see

581
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.400
<v Speaker 2>all of the different styles that they have for the

582
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:04.160
<v Speaker 2>sun rod. They can't figure out if it's Greek, if

583
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:09.039
<v Speaker 2>it's solar, they have no basis. And sometimes you'll see

584
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:11.639
<v Speaker 2>the sun and rot in the axe. But it's widely

585
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 2>agreed upon that this symbol came about with the Nazis,

586
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:21.480
<v Speaker 2>so they don't really have, like the the provenience.

587
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:23.159
<v Speaker 4>That uses the black sun.

588
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Right, the black Son the twelve spoke, Yeah, I got it.

589
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:35.440
<v Speaker 2>So there's lots of different styles of that black stun swastika,

590
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 2>but nobody really knows exactly what it's supposed to mean

591
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.960
<v Speaker 2>because the guy who made it is gone. He was

592
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.880
<v Speaker 2>a war criminal. They put him in jail, they killed him,

593
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:49.159
<v Speaker 2>you know whatever, And so the guy who made this

594
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:53.039
<v Speaker 2>symbol is no longer there to dictate what it means.

595
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.719
<v Speaker 2>So all we have is what people interpret it as.

596
00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:59.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's it's a potent symbol. People could tell

597
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.719
<v Speaker 2>it's got a lot of power, but they don't exactly

598
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.559
<v Speaker 2>know why, and they're trying to apply it to their

599
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:09.000
<v Speaker 2>own thing. So like like we were talking about in

600
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:13.599
<v Speaker 2>the Nazi symbolism episode. You know, is this a polar

601
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.559
<v Speaker 2>symbol or a solar symbol? Right?

602
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:18.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, could it be both?

603
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:23.239
<v Speaker 2>It could be exactly. But people are trying to ascribe

604
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 2>their own interpretations to the symbol. And they say, the

605
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.039
<v Speaker 2>twelve rays of the sun equal the twelve rays of

606
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.079
<v Speaker 2>the zodiac right the.

607
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Bottom floyer that, buddy, I mean, I'll even say myself

608
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.719
<v Speaker 1>included when So it's coming to this symbolism and stuff.

609
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:42.159
<v Speaker 1>I think we're looking at a room, I think, or

610
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:44.719
<v Speaker 1>there's so much more behind it than what we eye

611
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>myself even in this thing.

612
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, something interesting is is none of the spokes of

613
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:56.400
<v Speaker 2>the wheel would be representative of ruins, right, any individual

614
00:35:56.480 --> 00:36:00.159
<v Speaker 2>one couldn't really be considered to be part of the

615
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:04.000
<v Speaker 2>elder food arc or even the younger food arc, so

616
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of different. They do have the six spoked wheel,

617
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:11.920
<v Speaker 2>which is a very common Northern European symbol that they

618
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:16.639
<v Speaker 2>use it wheel motifs, right, and the six spoke wheel

619
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:22.639
<v Speaker 2>is representative of a different class of people. Obviously, this

620
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:27.159
<v Speaker 2>is this is double that, and so the black Sun, right,

621
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:31.920
<v Speaker 2>which could be serious. So for seven months, i think

622
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:36.000
<v Speaker 2>it's seven months out of the year, Serious is behind

623
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.840
<v Speaker 2>the sun, so we don't see it at night. And

624
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:43.920
<v Speaker 2>so they've called sirious for thousands of years the black Sun,

625
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:47.719
<v Speaker 2>and we see serious popping up over and over and

626
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.840
<v Speaker 2>over again in a cult symbolism, but they never really,

627
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:56.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, call it the black Sun. They call it

628
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>the secret soun. Right, It's not really the black Sun.

629
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>It's something else. So it's not really serious, but it

630
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:07.559
<v Speaker 2>is kind of solar in nature because you've got the

631
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:11.960
<v Speaker 2>twelve spokes, but it could be something else. So it's

632
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:16.400
<v Speaker 2>not fully understood yet, and people are trying on etsy

633
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:21.559
<v Speaker 2>especially to make it their own. So I think it's

634
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:24.320
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of one of these things that you know,

635
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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing come into you know, obviously it came through

636
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:30.760
<v Speaker 2>the Nazis, so it has to be some sort of

637
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:35.400
<v Speaker 2>northern symbolism. It has to be kind of associated with

638
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:40.920
<v Speaker 2>the northern climes, since you know, Nordicism and Nazism and

639
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.559
<v Speaker 2>everything else is sort of like a callback to this

640
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Hyperborean ideal. You know, it's sort of a romanticism, like

641
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.639
<v Speaker 2>this is this is the thing behind the thing. This

642
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>is the thing that we think behind the thing, but

643
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:59.800
<v Speaker 2>we're not really sure what it means. What would you say, Well,

644
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.400
<v Speaker 2>what does it say to you?

645
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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like it's almost how does it sound cheesy?

646
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Almost like kind of reminds you of like a Mayan calendar,

647
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<v Speaker 1>where it's like almost like something that's like even in

648
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<v Speaker 1>stages of time. You kind of a little bit like

649
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<v Speaker 1>when you were saying at the beginning, is it some

650
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:20.079
<v Speaker 1>polar symbol or solar thing? And I think it could be,

651
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, possibly both, or it's like showing some I

652
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:28.360
<v Speaker 1>don't know. It's again, I'm even confused on the symbolism.

653
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I do see a solar sigil in there already, you

654
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.440
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. I mean the circumpunkt is in there,

655
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and then you have all these angles coming out of it.

656
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:39.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and an eyeball.

657
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Pretty much any circle can be an eyeball. Right, it's

658
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:47.920
<v Speaker 2>got that same kind of thing.

659
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<v Speaker 1>But like you know how many church stressed you know

660
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:55.320
<v Speaker 1>how many church domes even like right here, have that

661
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:56.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of like style in them.

662
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Think about the atheosis of George Washington inside of the

663
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<v Speaker 2>Capitol Building. He's got the Twelve Olympians all around him

664
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:14.679
<v Speaker 2>as he's ascending to godhood, right, So it's sort of

665
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:18.400
<v Speaker 2>like an ascension symbol as well. So all of the twelve,

666
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:23.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, energies are are coming into George Washington and

667
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:29.719
<v Speaker 2>making him a god that's apotheosis, so that it could

668
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.840
<v Speaker 2>be a symbol of apotheosis. But it's it's all very

669
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<v Speaker 2>open to interpretation. And even though it's on the floors

670
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:42.199
<v Speaker 2>of a castle over in Germany, do we really know

671
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.079
<v Speaker 2>exactly what the meaning of this thing is? Is it?

672
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<v Speaker 2>Is it eternal? That's the real question, because a lot

673
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:52.559
<v Speaker 2>of the symbols we bring up have this sense of eternality.

674
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but I think it goes for this for sure.

675
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.760
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like an eternal symbol, right.

676
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.559
<v Speaker 2>It's speaking to something, and I think a lot of

677
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:08.400
<v Speaker 2>different people are trying to make that thing what they're about,

678
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.199
<v Speaker 2>and they don't exactly know what that thing is.

679
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<v Speaker 4>I like, don.

680
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<v Speaker 1>Pupil, I like that one too done. I could see that.

681
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's got that feel to it. It's got that

682
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 2>feel to it. I don't know, man, It's it's kind

683
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:29.000
<v Speaker 2>of up for interpretation, and a lot of people have

684
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<v Speaker 2>their own interpretations on the sonn Rad and it goes

685
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:36.039
<v Speaker 2>across different cultures, and I think it's probably going to

686
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:39.960
<v Speaker 2>replace the swastika. I think this might be the purpose

687
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:43.599
<v Speaker 2>of it, is to replace the four spoke swastika with

688
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:48.519
<v Speaker 2>a twelve spoke thing, because it almost incorporates both the

689
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:51.880
<v Speaker 2>solar and the polar. It's almost like the union of

690
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.760
<v Speaker 2>these two ideas that you know, Mario talks about all

691
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<v Speaker 2>the time. There was that shift between polar and solar,

692
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.639
<v Speaker 2>and now this is like the unification of those two ideas.

693
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, honestly, you could you get away with using this

694
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<v Speaker 1>too a little bit easier than a swastika.

695
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know about that. I mean you you

696
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:16.800
<v Speaker 2>show this to any group of Normanies and one guy's

697
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:18.039
<v Speaker 2>gonna go nazy.

698
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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, you think so okay? Oh yeah maybe yeah, maybe.

699
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.599
<v Speaker 2>I think it's clinically online culture. They're gonna be like,

700
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.159
<v Speaker 2>that's a Nazi symbol. Got to get rid of it,

701
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:32.199
<v Speaker 2>which makes it almost more alluring. It's like, this is

702
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 2>going to trigger somebody, This is gonna make somebody really upset, you.

703
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:40.159
<v Speaker 4>Know, people and asof are wearing this shit. There was

704
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:40.559
<v Speaker 4>another thing.

705
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Yo, this is so obvious what the

706
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:43.000
<v Speaker 1>fuck's going on.

707
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Now, right? I mean, it originated in the nineteen thirties,

708
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:51.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, so obviously they're gonna be all about that.

709
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.280
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna be putting the song and rite on everything.

710
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:56.639
<v Speaker 2>This is the origination point, and they're going to be like,

711
00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:59.039
<v Speaker 2>we own this, and a lot of other people are

712
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:01.159
<v Speaker 2>gonna be like, I can do something else with that,

713
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:03.440
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to do something else with that. It's

714
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:06.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the swastika. Once the swastik was tainted,

715
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:08.920
<v Speaker 2>all these other people are like, no, that's our symbol.

716
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:12.119
<v Speaker 2>Even North American Indians were like, that's our symbol. You

717
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.599
<v Speaker 2>can't you can't say this is Nazism because again, it's

718
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:19.079
<v Speaker 2>spread so quickly. It's like that s, you know, the S,

719
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:21.800
<v Speaker 2>the stylized S that almost looks like a figure eight.

720
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.039
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like that, you know. And when you

721
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:29.480
<v Speaker 2>put that stylized S over the kabbala, try if it's

722
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:31.440
<v Speaker 2>it's perfectly.

723
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:33.079
<v Speaker 1>You know.

724
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:37.800
<v Speaker 2>So there's this callback to geometry and basic ideas of

725
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:44.320
<v Speaker 2>form that end up bringing about certain meanings. And I think,

726
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:49.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, artistic understanding of these things is important because

727
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:53.719
<v Speaker 2>we're conceptual creatures, and once we've got that conception, you know,

728
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.679
<v Speaker 2>it sticks with us for a long time.

729
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:57.679
<v Speaker 4>I agree.

730
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:02.679
<v Speaker 2>So what do you guys think. Do you like the

731
00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:08.639
<v Speaker 2>concept of having a symbolism pot luck? Because I would

732
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:09.280
<v Speaker 2>love to have you.

733
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think if it wasn't so random, we actually

734
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:13.480
<v Speaker 1>could have got more people from the show on. It

735
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.880
<v Speaker 1>was just kind of like we had the idea earlier today.

736
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is your idea, shout it over to me

737
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:23.119
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, perfect pot luck.

738
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:24.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was called.

739
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:27.079
<v Speaker 1>That's so easy to like, especially for people who fuck

740
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:29.119
<v Speaker 1>with the occulta like have the show, Like, you should

741
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:33.119
<v Speaker 1>have symbols in your head that you can just play random, right,

742
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:34.400
<v Speaker 1>talk about these.

743
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.679
<v Speaker 2>Are usable, These have purpose in your own life if

744
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.760
<v Speaker 2>you can make them that. But do you want to

745
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:43.320
<v Speaker 2>or not? You know, that's the that's the real question.

746
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 2>It takes discipline. Engaging with symbols takes discipline, and I

747
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.320
<v Speaker 2>think showing the symbols gets people into the idea that

748
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:56.079
<v Speaker 2>you can commit to these things. We're just geometry in

749
00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:00.599
<v Speaker 2>motion and form, you know, so it would make sense

750
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:02.840
<v Speaker 2>that we would connect with these symbols on a much

751
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:06.320
<v Speaker 2>deeper level than we even fully understand right now. You know,

752
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I think there's something to it. I agree with that, sir,

753
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Well we are. I think that's good.

754
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:18.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you want to unless you have any

755
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:19.480
<v Speaker 1>meal that you want to read, it's put you on

756
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:21.679
<v Speaker 1>the spot. I think we're good for the Obviously we

757
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 1>both did two things each.

758
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I think that's good. I think this is

759
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:29.320
<v Speaker 2>a good example of what we want to kind of do.

760
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<v Speaker 2>If any listeners want to come up with their own

761
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:37.280
<v Speaker 2>symbol pot luck, I think that would be a great opportunity.

762
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Gets you introduced, lets you interact with the different people

763
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:46.440
<v Speaker 2>that you watch, and maybe you know, expand your influence.

764
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I think that's always a good thing. So if you've

765
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:51.320
<v Speaker 2>got any symbols and you want to bring them to

766
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:54.159
<v Speaker 2>these symbolic pot luck, I think that would be great

767
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:54.719
<v Speaker 2>for everybody.

768
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:56.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, we could even pull up like stuff on

769
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:59.320
<v Speaker 1>the the meaning of it whatever. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

770
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.840
<v Speaker 1>And if anybody has any stories, send them over to Headless.

771
00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Give them the address. I'll send it to me and

772
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I will mail you out some stickers.

773
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 2>So Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com and I

774
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:14.719
<v Speaker 2>will shoot it over to Nick and tell them tell

775
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:18.280
<v Speaker 2>you that I'm getting stories. So if you want stickers

776
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:20.760
<v Speaker 2>and you got stories we can make trade.

777
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely always see Flower. I see Flower in the chat.

778
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I think Flower Flower. That might have been somebody Flower

779
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:31.840
<v Speaker 1>grab two shirts with me today. I think it might

780
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:32.800
<v Speaker 1>be the same person. Maybe not.

781
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh hell yeah, yeah, she always watches these. Thank you

782
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Flower so much for joining in.

783
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah hell yeah, but uh yeah for sure, for sure.

784
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:44.360
<v Speaker 1>And check out where the events will be at. And

785
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.800
<v Speaker 1>you want any T shirts let me know, Uh, hit

786
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.400
<v Speaker 1>me up and yeah, thank you. I had a good

787
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 1>time tonight.

788
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:54.199
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely well. Thank you for joining me, Nick, thank you

789
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:57.000
<v Speaker 2>for joining me. Everybody in the chat. This has been

790
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.880
<v Speaker 2>a great episode. This has been a symbol symbol of potlock.

791
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:03.679
<v Speaker 2>So if you want to join in, just let me

792
00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:05.719
<v Speaker 2>know and we'll get you on there with your symbols

793
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:10.159
<v Speaker 2>esoteric as hell. I love esoteric symbols, stuff I've never

794
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:12.320
<v Speaker 2>seen before. That's what Nick always brings.

795
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:16.480
<v Speaker 4>Tried shit that I didn't even really know about. I

796
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:17.639
<v Speaker 4>tried finding something.

797
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:22.880
<v Speaker 2>New, Absolutely, find something new, bring it in. It's great. Well,

798
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:24.800
<v Speaker 2>thank you guys for joining us, and we'll see you

799
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:27.360
<v Speaker 2>again next time. I'm going to be here on Sunday

800
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:32.840
<v Speaker 2>morning with the trialogues with Ethan and Ricardo. Thank you

801
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and we'll see you again next time, mate,