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Speaker 1: engaged in spectacle uh and agit prop to further revolution.

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Speaker 1: And that really is the essence of all Marxism. And

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Speaker 1: that's really what Marxism shares with the postmodern leftist today,

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Speaker 1: because you couldn't come to this position of thinking that,

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Speaker 1: you know, biology is a social construct without postmodernism. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but Marxist wouldn't believe that like classical Marxists, they don't

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Speaker 1: believe in postmodernism. In fact, they would see postmodernism as liberalism,

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Speaker 1: and Marxists reject liberalism. This is why in the Cold War,

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Speaker 1: the CIA made alliances with French postmodernists to fight the Soviets.

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Speaker 1: In the Cold War, it's famous fact. I covered it

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Speaker 1: in my second book. And they went the CIA went

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Speaker 1: and met with and formed alliances with French deconstructionists and

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Speaker 1: postmodernists and dere Dall and others, because they thought this

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Speaker 1: would be a way to fight Soviet cosmism and Soviet ideology,

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Speaker 1: which is anti liberal. So marx and this is something

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Speaker 1: that you know, you don't hear like Peterson ever talk

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Speaker 1: about this, because Peterson just calls everything Marxism, and maybe

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Speaker 1: he does that just for rhetorical effect or for ease

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Speaker 1: and simplicity, but no, Marxism is not liberal. Marxism is antiliberal,

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Speaker 1: but today's socialist, fabian whatever you could say that they

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Speaker 1: are aligned with and that it meshes easily with postmodernism

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Speaker 1: because they would see anything as useful to furthering the

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Speaker 1: revolution through dialectical conflict. And since in the postmodern scheme

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Speaker 1: everything is power dynamics and nothing is about truth, so narratives,

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Speaker 1: for example, are just constructs that a power entity has

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Speaker 1: in place, and if you get your narrative in power,

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Speaker 1: then that's what's true. So you see, it's like the

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Speaker 1: O'Brien ideology, there's not actually truth, it's literally just whatever

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Speaker 1: the power structure says. And if once you understand that,

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Speaker 1: then you can see how these liberals are crazy. They're

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Speaker 1: not actually that crazy. I mean they are, but they're

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Speaker 1: not as stupid as conservative towards think.

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Speaker 5: Right like on that wallsh these conservative these liberals are stupid.

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Speaker 5: These liberals are insane. No, they're cunning. And maybe the

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Speaker 5: ground level goobers with the purple hair at the Starbucks

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Speaker 5: are stupid, but at the think tank level, at the

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Speaker 5: academic level, they're not stupid. And they know how to

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Speaker 5: engineer and steer ideologies.

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Speaker 1: To cause social change and chaos. And that's a lot

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Speaker 1: of that's intentional. So that's what's coming next, is they're

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Speaker 1: going to hype up more and more of the chaos.

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Speaker 1: If you want to support the stream, you can do

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Speaker 1: so by the super chat function. Super chats are done

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Speaker 1: through stream Labs. The stream Liaves link is in the

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Speaker 1: show description and it's pinned in the live chat there.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to everybody. We got over eight hundred headed

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Speaker 1: up two. Maybe we can hit one thousand today. We're

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Speaker 1: going to open it up here in a second, because

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Speaker 1: I'm mainly I've hit most of my main points here

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Speaker 1: just about how how dialectics works. I'll probably be talking

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Speaker 1: about dialectics at the Courtney event here in Nashville. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, I don't know, just every election

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Speaker 1: year or whatever, it comes back around how idiotic everything

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Speaker 1: is and how silly bl are and how they fall

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Speaker 1: for the same scams over and over and over. That's

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Speaker 1: the weird part too, is like you would think that

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Speaker 1: after multiple elections. I'm not saying that, I'm not even

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Speaker 1: talking about the voting is pointless. I don't care whether

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Speaker 1: you vote or not. Father Deacon have a nice makes

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Speaker 1: an interesting case that, I mean, your vote might not

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Speaker 1: count on the national level, but you could argue that

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Speaker 1: voting you could you could make an argument that, well

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Speaker 1: maybe I ought to vote for whichever whichever candidate is

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Speaker 1: best for Christianity, and that seems to be a pretty

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Speaker 1: convincing argument. But yeah, come on, man, everybody asked the

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Speaker 1: same old, stupid questions. I'm so tired of the same

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Speaker 1: old questions. I mean, do you got do you not

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Speaker 1: think that I was wondering about the dialectic But I'm

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Speaker 1: just not even gonna address it. It's so stupid, Like

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Speaker 1: all the stuff that people in the chat think I

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Speaker 1: don't know about I learned about it in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and five or six. Okay, so how's that whatever you've learned,

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Speaker 1: I learned it probably fifteen years ago. I can assure

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Speaker 1: you that. So we're gonna open it up to people

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Speaker 1: in the chat over here on the X. The topics

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Speaker 1: are conspiracies, God, God's existence, Islam, gnosticism, Kabbalah, feminism, Goddess,

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Speaker 1: any of these principles you want to bring them up.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's gonna end up being nothing like this.

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Speaker 1: Nobody will ever call in about these topics. Are going

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Speaker 1: to call in and say, what is the problem with

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Speaker 1: pedal substitution? How does an Orthodox person have certitude? It's like, literally,

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Speaker 1: that's the only questions anybody ever asked. When we open

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Speaker 1: it up, we want to talk about tug I took

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Speaker 1: about people substitution. I want to talk about certitude. That's

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Speaker 1: literally it. Okay, Well guess what we've covered those probably

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Speaker 1: one hundred times in the last seven years, So stop

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Speaker 1: being lazy and go look through my channel. Well okay,

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Speaker 1: fun laughing, Okay, we'll go to my channel and you

511
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Speaker 1: can search the channel. You know, you can search people's

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Speaker 1: channels on the front page of their YouTube channel. There's

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Speaker 1: a little search bar logos Christian logos. Name's getting hot

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Speaker 1: in here. We'll have to sorry, it's getting hot in here.

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Speaker 1: Put on more clothes, yes.

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Speaker 4: Sir, Yeah, So I had a question about a book

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Speaker 4: I recently got.

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Speaker 2: It's called Basil Sisteria.

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Speaker 4: Gregoryness and the Transformation Absolute Divine Simplicity.

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Speaker 2: Have you have you read that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've read the whole book and I did a

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Speaker 1: whole lecture on it at the first Montanica.

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Speaker 4: Okay, And at the end, you know, when he does

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Speaker 4: the critique of Bradshaw, are you familiar with that critique

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Speaker 4: he's using?

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Speaker 1: Uh, hold on, let me grab the book.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm on your side here. But I just

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Speaker 4: I hope this is in reference to the topics. I

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Speaker 4: just I had a question about his critique of Bradshaw

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Speaker 4: because at the end of the book he makes it

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Speaker 4: sound like doctor David Bradshaw becomes too apathetic kind of

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Speaker 4: in reference to Clement when he uses the essence energy distinction.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think I mean hold on, So, first

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Speaker 1: of all, like, ultimately it doesn't really matter about Clement anyway,

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Speaker 1: because the only people who accept Clement are Roman Catholics, so.

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Speaker 2: Right, And so I was just curious because he kind

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Speaker 2: of makes this.

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Speaker 4: Argument, He kind of puts a forward whereas Gregory of

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Speaker 4: Nissa and his reading or interpretation is trying to root

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Speaker 4: the energies in the nature, and that nature's rooted in

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Speaker 4: the essence, and so he says, hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 1: Hold on nature. Enouns are synonymous, so you don't root

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Speaker 1: the nature in the essence.

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Speaker 4: Right, And so that's what that would be kind of

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Speaker 4: the essence of my question here. This specific portion I'm

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Speaker 4: questioning about is on page two twenty two and two

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Speaker 4: twenty three. That's where he kind of puts forward the

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Speaker 4: argument about David Bradshaw. And I've read Bradshaw's work Hairstyle

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Speaker 4: East and West, and like, that's where I got confused,

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Speaker 4: and I wanted to hear your opinion, because I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I don't I can't tell if he's just misrepresenting Bradshaw

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Speaker 4: or if he's trying to point to something in Gregory.

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Speaker 2: Of Nissa he's misinterpreting, you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's see Bradshaw refers to Bradshaw further argues that

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Speaker 1: all positive terms used for God are not simply derived

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Speaker 1: from divine energeia, but actually refer to divine ergaia. Thus

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Speaker 1: not only our judging or seeing, but even good and

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Speaker 1: wise are innergaya. This is mentioned in the Tomos, which

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Speaker 1: cites against Akandino's that these are distinct realities. So that's

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Speaker 1: the terminology that's used. If you read, for example, my

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Speaker 1: endorsed book on Palamas or visiting Theology, or if you

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Speaker 1: read the recent Russell book on the translation of all

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Speaker 1: the Palomite Synods, and so if I remember, and it's

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Speaker 1: been I read this in twenty twenty, I think if

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Speaker 1: you look at the end of that chapter, that's where

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Speaker 1: Roddy Gallwitz basically says that he's not interested in necessarily

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Speaker 1: which thing is true or false, but just giving the

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Speaker 1: academic perspective. And I think so the very last paragraph

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Speaker 1: on page two twenty four, like I would say that

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Speaker 1: that's the difference that I would have with this book

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Speaker 1: is that for us, this is not really an academic dispute.

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Speaker 1: It's a question of real lived experience and liturgical like participation.

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Speaker 1: So I think the real issue to solve the Energy's

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Speaker 1: question isn't how far do scot disagree with us versus

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Speaker 1: disagree with us, or how can we squeeze Tomism into

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Speaker 1: our ideology? It's rather what are you participating in? And

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Speaker 1: if you look at all the debates with Palomas, like

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Speaker 1: what when he engages in all the debates, it always

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Speaker 1: ends up moving from the relationship of essence and energy

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Speaker 1: and the attributes amongst themselves, how real and distinct they are.

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Speaker 1: It always moves over into participation, right.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, And it was just kind of confusing to

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Speaker 4: me because it's like the opening part of this book,

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Speaker 4: like he does a good exegical exageutical work, working through

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Speaker 4: kind of history and the unonious dispute stuff, and then

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden he just gives this kind of

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Speaker 4: where are you deriving that?

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Speaker 1: Well, you'll notice what he says there is that Bradshaw

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Speaker 1: reads Nissa as a proto Palomite. Yeah, that's the orthodox view.

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Speaker 1: I mean, of course I was.

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Speaker 2: I was like, well, isn't that kind of a point?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And that's why at the end of that chapter,

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Speaker 1: Rodi Gallwitz says, well, I'm really just approaching this as

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Speaker 1: an academic and not able. Yeah, so that's.

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Speaker 4: One gotcha that that makes more sense to And I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, when I debate people into because on my channel,

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Speaker 4: I do a lot of reaction videos to kind of

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Speaker 4: your debates and stuff, just because they're so hilarious most.

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Speaker 2: Of the time, you know.

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Speaker 4: And that's something I stumble upon is people have a

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Speaker 4: really hard time kind of stepping over the life experience,

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Speaker 4: the lived element of Orthodoxy and then just keeping it

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Speaker 4: intellectually in their mind. Like people have a really hard

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Speaker 4: time stepping out of that.

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Speaker 2: Landscape, you know.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, I appreciate that, and I think you nailed

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Speaker 1: it at the end there with what the disconnect is.

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Speaker 1: And also I would say that's why I've what I've

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Speaker 1: started doing when this comes up with Roman Catholics or

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Speaker 1: people who disagree, is I just immediately take it over

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Speaker 1: into Okay, well, can we participate in a formally distinct

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Speaker 1: thing or is a formally distinct being what's present in

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Speaker 1: a theophany? And when I take it over into theophany

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Speaker 1: is and what we participate in, it seems like that's

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Speaker 1: really the clincher where people who disagree with our position,

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Speaker 1: they always falter and collapse because they end up contradicting

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Speaker 1: and saying, well, it's an angel, but it's God, but

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Speaker 1: it's a representation of God. That's an angel, that's also

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Speaker 1: a design, that's a creature, and it's like, now you

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Speaker 1: can't have there's no created God, dummy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: And I see this kind of overlapping too into kind

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Speaker 4: of some of the gnosticisms as well, with this absolute

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Speaker 4: divine simplicity. Do you see correlation like in the way

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Speaker 4: the Roman Catholics try to intellectualize their whole experience of.

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Speaker 2: God in the same way Gnosticism does.

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Speaker 4: Because I've debated a lot of the Gnostics too, and

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Speaker 4: in fact, one of our friends, like she just started

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Speaker 4: getting into Christianity out of like the whole feminist you know,

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Speaker 4: divine feminism, all.

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Speaker 3: That kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: And I've noticed every time I've tried to work with

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Speaker 4: her through like the Bible, there's always this hold upon

635
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Speaker 4: trying to intellectualize God and not being able to see

636
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Speaker 4: it in the lived experience. Do you see kind of

637
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 4: that correlation there too when you.

638
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Speaker 1: Argue again, Yeah, absolutely, because a Roman Catholic, for example,

639
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: will typically say that you can't have major real distinctions

640
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,039
Speaker 1: in God without composition or division, and then it's like,

641
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,079
Speaker 1: what you believe that the persons are major real distinctions

642
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,639
Speaker 1: as a tomist, Yeah, and so they have a double standard.

643
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: And it's like, so I think when you have these

644
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:35,159
Speaker 1: this idea that there are self evident metaphysical principles that

645
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: come first that bind God, that's what lead gets you

646
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Speaker 1: into the trouble. Like the last time I had a

647
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: long chat with Tim Gordon, he was like, there can't

648
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,199
Speaker 1: be any sense in which God. I'm trying to remember

649
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: how he worded it, something like something like if we

650
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: admitted this about God that he could be in time

651
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,079
Speaker 1: and space like that, it would mean that he undergoes change.

652
00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, Tim, I thought you believe the incarnation,

653
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,599
Speaker 1: you see. So it's like they have a disconnect between

654
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: their metaphysics and then the belief and the idea of

655
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Speaker 1: the incarnation.

656
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,079
Speaker 2: Well, and I feel like too.

657
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Speaker 4: And you know that that comes from kind of the

658
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:13,599
Speaker 4: programming here in the Western tradition where we're kind of

659
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 4: taught to see everything as like binary you know, either.

660
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Speaker 1: Ors, Yeah, that's that's what dict.

661
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,599
Speaker 4: Is, right, and then they read that right into God.

662
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Speaker 4: So they try to solve their experience of God in

663
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Speaker 4: dialectics which cannot.

664
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Speaker 1: Be and they don't even realize and this, yeah, exactly,

665
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Speaker 1: And they don't even realize that that whole argument, that

666
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:35,039
Speaker 1: their whole mindset is the same way that Muslims approach

667
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Speaker 1: the LPT.

668
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And do you see that in Islam too,

669
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,679
Speaker 4: like their problems with the ninety nine names and the

670
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: transcendence of all law. I see them falling into the

671
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,679
Speaker 4: same problem there because you look through the Sunni tradition

672
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 4: and then up through all their philosophers as it goes

673
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 4: into the West and stuff, and it's they're all struggling

674
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 4: with the same issue of well, how do we make

675
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Speaker 4: the transcendent imminent?

676
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Speaker 2: You know, how do we bring it into our minds?

677
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Speaker 2: How do we hold Allah?

678
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Speaker 4: But that's I think the importance in the epistemology of

679
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 4: Orthodoxy with Christ right where he comes and he shares

680
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: in our human nature, He kind of provides that linkage

681
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Speaker 4: is it.

682
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Speaker 2: Would you agree with that?

683
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 5: I do?

684
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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that on a like so

685
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: the LPT is based on like analytical philosophical argumentation. So

686
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: it's like a further working out of a certain way

687
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: of predicating and counting and it's based on a strict

688
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:31,079
Speaker 1: kind of logical approach to how we count things and

689
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Speaker 1: how we name things. And my point is that if

690
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Speaker 1: Roman Catholics were consistent, they would follow the same logic

691
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Speaker 1: of Jake when he made the LPT argument, and they

692
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: would be they would they would not be trinitarian because

693
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,519
Speaker 1: they're using the same presuppositions as Jake when it comes

694
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:52,679
Speaker 1: to philosophical, analytical, metaphysical necessity and it has to be this,

695
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: and but then they have a double standard because then

696
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: they'll turn around be like, well, but I'm trinitarian. So

697
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:05,039
Speaker 1: in other words, a proficient Muslim or a proficient proponent

698
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: of the LPT should be able to easily refute any

699
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: Roman Catholic right, and they probably can. And that's why

700
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: none of these people ever debate Muslims is because Muslims

701
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,039
Speaker 1: will probably a very smart Muslim could easily wipe the

702
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Speaker 1: floor with the Roman Catholic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah no, And that makes total sense too. That's really

704
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 4: interesting too. And just one last question too, is this

705
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Speaker 4: something and I think I'm just might be drawing from

706
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: two distinct points. Do you see kind of this relationship

707
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Speaker 4: between feminism and the way in which these people are thinking,

708
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,559
Speaker 4: like being kind of overly feminized in their thinking, like

709
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:43,599
Speaker 4: the way they're taking on these problems and trying to

710
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 4: address them too, because I've noticed when I talk or

711
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,519
Speaker 4: debate with some of these people, like the way they

712
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 4: approach problems, it seems it doesn't seem it's rational. They're

713
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 4: trying to make it rational, but it's also like this

714
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Speaker 4: weird kind of denial of actual lived experience, which I

715
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Speaker 4: get kind of this feminist vibe from, because you know,

716
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 4: nothing against women or anything like that, but they are

717
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,679
Speaker 4: more susceptible, you know, like they are more susceptible to

718
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,079
Speaker 4: this over spiritualization, this kind of living in their own

719
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Speaker 4: mental landscape.

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Speaker 1: Well this, yeah, you see this in Roman Catholics themselves,

721
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:21,519
Speaker 1: for example, where they will hyper intellectualize and make everything scholastic,

722
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Speaker 1: and then when they come to situations of big scale

723
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,199
Speaker 1: contradictions or problems, they'll then resort to, well, I'm just

724
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:32,559
Speaker 1: praying the rosary. I don't know how to solve these problems, right,

725
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:35,159
Speaker 1: And that's a very like yeah, that's I would say,

726
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: that's kind of a feminine attitude, not that yeah, it's like, well,

727
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,079
Speaker 1: but but that's not if you're building your apologetic on

728
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: Scholastics and then at the end of the day you're

729
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: resorting to And this is funny too because an FDA

730
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Speaker 1: can back this up because over the years, the handful

731
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Speaker 1: of people who for example, chose not to become Orthodox

732
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Speaker 1: or become Roman Catholic, or that became Catechumans and then

733
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Speaker 1: just decided to become Roman Catholic. I said, there have

734
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Speaker 1: been probably five of those that we know over the

735
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: last seven years. Many of them would reach out to

736
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Speaker 1: me or to Faddacan and an Iis and they would

737
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: actually say, I've decided that the ultimate reason that I'm

738
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Speaker 1: going to become Roman Catholic is because of how I felt.

739
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Speaker 1: I've seen three people say that. They said, because I

740
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Speaker 1: felt a sense of peace after praying the Rosary, that

741
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Speaker 1: let me know that Roman Catholicism is true. And I

742
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,119
Speaker 1: was listening to Tim the other day and even Tim said, look,

743
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, there's these problems in the Dogma and Francis

744
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:36,119
Speaker 1: is doing all this crazy stuff. And basically every time

745
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: Tim streams he talks about how Francis is contradicting everything.

746
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: And then he said something to the effect of, but

747
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: I know that, you know, God was leading me this

748
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,679
Speaker 1: way because of the problems that he had with his daughter,

749
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,039
Speaker 1: the health issues with his daughter. And I'm not at

750
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:55,119
Speaker 1: all knocking Tim for the I mean, I want the

751
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: best for Tim, and I want him and his family

752
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: to do well and flourish. But I'm just making the

753
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: point that. But at the end of the day, though,

754
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: like it's very what's the word I'm looking for, it's

755
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: it's shaky ground to ground your choices in your subjective

756
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,159
Speaker 1: interpretation of the meaning of certain events in your life.

757
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,119
Speaker 2: Right, because protestantm right.

758
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 4: I mean, everybody I talked to you from this Protestant

759
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:28,519
Speaker 4: train of thought, you can you can just feel the

760
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 4: overfeminization in the way they think. Like one of our

761
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 4: friends when we go through the Bible, you know, and

762
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Speaker 4: I'm giving her some of the Orthodox theology and kind

763
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 4: of how it works, you know, I She'll say repeatedly, well,

764
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,079
Speaker 4: that doesn't.

765
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:40,639
Speaker 2: Feel right to me.

766
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Speaker 4: And my response, I don't know how to make sense

767
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 4: of that, because I'm like, well, who cares what you think.

768
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 4: I mean, this is God, so it doesn't matter what

769
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 4: you feel, right and so, And obviously, you know, my

770
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,679
Speaker 4: girlfriend was Protestant as well, and she's slowly coming to Orthodoxy,

771
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 4: But that was an issue that we always had all

772
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Speaker 4: the time. It's like, well, it doesn't matter what you feel,

773
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 4: you know, and then it's the whole argument while you're

774
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 4: denying my feelings and stuff.

775
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Speaker 1: And it's like, well, I've had that same argument with Jamie.

776
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: That's just women, that's just females, you know.

777
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just how they think, you know.

778
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 4: But then they kind of derails the question to make

779
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 4: you the bad guy. But at the same time, that

780
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 4: doesn't affect the truth of the proposition, right, that's still

781
00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 4: a logical fallacy, appeal to emotion.

782
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, exactly. Imagine if I said, well,

783
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, two plus two equing four makes me feel bad,

784
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,679
Speaker 1: so I don't know, it's not true. I mean, I

785
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: think everybody can see that. Well, but that's that doesn't

786
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: mean that it's not true. That's but that's just you know,

787
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: women are made to be nurturers and moms are not

788
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Speaker 1: made to be you know, scholastic theologians and philosophers and

789
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: debaters or whatever, and you know that. But yeah, I'm

790
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: just making like and even more, maybe I think there's

791
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: something about what's happened in Roman Catholicism and even Roman

792
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: Catholics have made this point as an example, and it

793
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: applies to Protestanism too. You're absolutely right, because I think

794
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,119
Speaker 1: a lot of Protestantism, unless you're a Calvinist or like

795
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,199
Speaker 1: an Anglican or something like the rest of Protestantism, it's

796
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: totally like feeling emotion based.

797
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's really bad.

798
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:06,159
Speaker 4: Like a couple of the Protestant churches I go around here,

799
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Speaker 4: I've noticed some really interesting things. For one, Protestantism near

800
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 4: me I live in Idaho. All the churches I noticed

801
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 4: they maybe have one cross or across and they have

802
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 4: like zero iconography in there. And then everything is an

803
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 4: appeal or entertainment to the emotion of how the you know,

804
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 4: sermon makes you feel. And from the beginning, like whenever

805
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 4: I went to these places, like this doesn't feel right

806
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 4: because you know, in the New Testament, Paul talks about

807
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 4: self discipline and denial it self and all this stuff,

808
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 4: but you go to a Protestant sermon and it's like

809
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,039
Speaker 4: the opposite of what Paul is actually putting forward.

810
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Yeah, protestantsm was really turned into a

811
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:44,039
Speaker 1: lot of just self help stuff basically is all it is.

812
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's the same impression I got anyway, that

813
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 4: that was all the questions I have.

814
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to take up all the time.

815
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Speaker 1: Fine, I think if you go back to what I

816
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:55,199
Speaker 1: talked about in the clip and the talk a couple

817
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: of weeks ago too, about you know, after the Reformation,

818
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: there was this reaction against a lot of papalism and

819
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: scholasticism by the Reformers, and then what the Roman Church

820
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 1: did was in the counter Reformation, they then pushed a

821
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,199
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff that you could call kind of Roman

822
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,519
Speaker 1: Catholic feminism. So basically you got this mysticism that arose

823
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: around like basically all of the famous Roman Catholic saints

824
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: for the last five or six hundred years. They're all

825
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: these women who've had these visions and these wild experiences.

826
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean, not every saint, but the emphasis and this

827
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,199
Speaker 1: is even tradcats like emj have made this critique that

828
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: there was this swing and the pendulum away from the

829
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Speaker 1: scholasticism in the Middle Ages towards the female or child

830
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:49,679
Speaker 1: female visionary mysticism. So you get all of these women mystics,

831
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Speaker 1: and it begins with people like Urchude the Great and

832
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,679
Speaker 1: Hildegarde and Catherine of Sienna and their wild, crazy claims,

833
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,159
Speaker 1: and then it just explodes into like just tons and

834
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:05,199
Speaker 1: tons of women mystics for the last five hundred years.

835
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I see some correlation there too, in like

836
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 4: this whole speaking in tongues thing, I know, I.

837
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,119
Speaker 6: Know, absolutely absolute, yeah, speaking in tongue stuff.

838
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 4: And you know they always go back to Corinthians and say, oh, well,

839
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,079
Speaker 4: Paul doesn't explicitly say you can't. But I actually looked

840
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 4: into some of the history of that and the church

841
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,159
Speaker 4: in corinth From what I understood, correct me if I'm wrong,

842
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 4: that was one of the heavily paganized centers that really

843
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 4: was influenced by the Dionysius cults, and like a lot

844
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,079
Speaker 4: of their cults pat speaking in tongues and stuff like that.

845
00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:38,559
Speaker 4: And so I see it more as Paul addressing the

846
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:42,519
Speaker 4: immediate need of the church while still trying to be apologetical.

847
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 4: And then you read the rest of the Orthodox tradition

848
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,119
Speaker 4: and the Church fathers, you never see speaking in tongues ever.

849
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Speaker 1: Again, Well, first of all, I've always believed I mean,

850
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,679
Speaker 1: I was like a charismatic when I was an idiot,

851
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: when I was like nineteen, for like a year because

852
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,079
Speaker 1: I didn't know what this was talking about in those chapters.

853
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: But not too long after that, even as a Protestant,

854
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, this isn't gibberish. It's

855
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,559
Speaker 1: known languages, and in the Book of Acts it's known languages.

856
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:12,519
Speaker 1: So there can be a miraculous gift where God, uh

857
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, gives a person the ability to do well

858
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: with languages. That's the gift of tongues or languages. And

859
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:22,199
Speaker 1: there can be a situation where like an axe, where

860
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,159
Speaker 1: everybody is hearing things in their native tongue. So God

861
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,079
Speaker 1: can do any sort of miracle like that. But there

862
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:30,679
Speaker 1: I don't think that when he talks about even if

863
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:33,079
Speaker 1: I spoke the language of Angels, I think that's rhetoric.

864
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't think Paul is saying that you're gonna do

865
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: gibberish private prayers. And if you look at the the

866
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: tradition of Palamas, like he interprets that, that's interpreted as

867
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: noetic prayer, not gibberish. It's the prayer of the heart,

868
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,039
Speaker 1: and it's your internal units of dialogue with God in

869
00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:58,199
Speaker 1: your noos. It's not lunch about, right. We're not like

870
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 1: Mola Ram here, you know, pulling the hearts out of

871
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: people in the thuggy traditional ritual whatever.

872
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:08,079
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, and you can feel it, like you know,

873
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:10,119
Speaker 4: when I've been around those type of people, you can

874
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 4: feel something in the air that's just not right when

875
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 4: they do that, Like it doesn't feel holy, it doesn't

876
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 4: feel like this is of God. And you know, and

877
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 4: then you read the rest of the Church Fathers and stuff,

878
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 4: and there's really no mesh mention of experiences like.

879
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:22,559
Speaker 2: That at all.

880
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: Well, there is is, except that they're condemned. So already

881
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: in the time, already in Aeronaus is against Hereses in

882
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,519
Speaker 1: one eight. The glossalalia stuff is you see this in

883
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: some of the cults and Gnostic sects prior to even

884
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: the year two hundred, and then with the character Montanus.

885
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,559
Speaker 1: Once Montanism is condemned, this this is pretty much the

886
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: end of the charismatic stuff.

887
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: Right right, exactly?

888
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 4: No, agree, man, Well, I really appreciate the answers that

889
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:53,039
Speaker 4: that was really great.

890
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, good questions. Appreciate your insights there. And I'm impressed

891
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: that you read that very technical Rodigalway book Queen of Something.

892
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:04,039
Speaker 1: I can't read the rest of it.

893
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 5: M hm.

894
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: Queen of the Queens of the Stone Age. What's up, dude, Dang,

895
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: it's getting hot in here. Hold, I'm about to turn

896
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: turn the air on. It's hot. H Queen's uh, it

897
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: doesn't look like your internet's connecting, So maybe come out

898
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: and come back in Queen of the Juicy j.

899
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 2: I'm not really, I'm not really.

900
00:56:53,280 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: Hello, I gotta get Billy Coarsen over here. We can't

901
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:10,039
Speaker 1: hear you, so maybe come out, come back in terran

902
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: got a Roman cabot.

903
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: Hello, mm hmm, yeah, thanks for taking the time. I'm

904
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:24,679
Speaker 2: not sure.

905
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:25,239
Speaker 3: Observation.

906
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 7: I'm not sure if it's a sound or not. It's

907
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 7: related to previous conversations distinction separations. So it seems like

908
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:43,079
Speaker 7: in Plato he when he devised the ideal from the real,

909
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:46,159
Speaker 7: it's not only in distinction.

910
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,719
Speaker 2: But it's actually a separation correct.

911
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,079
Speaker 7: And what it does, and like in modern world, like

912
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 7: the ideals and ideologies are really functioned as a kind

913
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:06,639
Speaker 7: of images and enthasies that that can become.

914
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,599
Speaker 2: Because they're separated from reality. It gives people's license.

915
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,559
Speaker 7: To kind of imagine them whatever they are, and then

916
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:22,719
Speaker 7: they can they really become objects of faith. So this

917
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 7: is separation between reality and ideals is really.

918
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: I think it's significant.

919
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 7: I'm curious if anyone has if that has been addressed

920
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,119
Speaker 7: in a meaningful way.

921
00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean Eric Vogelan talks about this kind of stuff.

922
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: If that's what like he calls modernity gnostic because of

923
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: this idea that like, you can't really question the dogmas

924
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: of what scientism lays down, and he says that they

925
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: even determine the questions that you're allowed to ask. And

926
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: so in his book on place Oh, for example, he

927
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: goes into quite a bit about this. I haven't read

928
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,519
Speaker 1: the the critique of gnostic modernity. I've read his Plato book,

929
00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:11,239
Speaker 1: but he would be somebody probably that's a dressing. I

930
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: think what you're getting at Eric Vogelin he's one of

931
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: the most famous modern uh philosophers who critique like modernity

932
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:25,119
Speaker 1: is being gnostic the oe g l I n Okay.

933
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:28,599
Speaker 7: Well, what I mean is it's like a gap between

934
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:29,519
Speaker 7: those two per crests.

935
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 3: When you talked about, you know, be.

936
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,199
Speaker 7: Perfect as your hamiling father is perfect.

937
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:34,519
Speaker 3: Is a.

938
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 7: In with idealism. You always kind of assume that you

939
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 7: can never be perfect. So there's this always this gap

940
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 7: that allows.

941
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,239
Speaker 2: You to use your actions right.

942
00:59:47,519 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 7: It's kind of forgives your sins because you can never

943
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 7: actually attain the perfection.

944
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:55,079
Speaker 2: And so for example, that's why people overlook, you know,

945
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: for for example, like the.

946
00:59:56,679 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 7: Ideology of democraty currently and people overlooking the consequences of

947
01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:05,159
Speaker 7: their actions. And in other countries like for example Iraq, right,

948
01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 7: people dismissed that, and the way they do that is

949
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 7: by acknowledgeing that there's a gap between the perfection and reality.

950
01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:16,199
Speaker 7: So this allows people just be a license to pretty

951
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 7: horrible things in the name of ideology.

952
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 3: And it is because of this gap.

953
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:27,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, interesting thoughts. I'll think about that. Xing Jiang

954
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,599
Speaker 1: libertarian or something. What's up man, Thank you for the

955
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:34,639
Speaker 1: super chats. Appreciate that you guys. I want to remind

956
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:36,719
Speaker 1: you too that I will see you at the Bitcoin

957
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,679
Speaker 1: conference tomorrow and the day after. If you want to

958
01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:41,559
Speaker 1: support me by a bitcoin, you can do so right here.

959
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: If you're interested in getting into bitcoin, I have a

960
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: link in the show description to Swan Bitcoin. They're a

961
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: bitcoin only purchaser outlet. So if you do sign up

962
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,639
Speaker 1: with Swan, you're only buying custoding and then self custodying

963
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: the bitcoin. So that's it. If you're new to crypto

964
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:05,039
Speaker 1: to bitcoin, I would recommend. I mean, I can't give

965
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: you financial advice, but if I was new to it,

966
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:07,559
Speaker 1: that's what I would do.

967
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:09,079
Speaker 2: There's a lot on my mind.

968
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:13,239
Speaker 8: There's a lot of cyber security engineering specialists intelligence questions that.

969
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: I have for you. But it's just a matter of

970
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 2: oh am I crazy.

971
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 8: No, I'm not crazy, because every day you got to

972
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,519
Speaker 8: present yourself as it is going to be the best

973
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 8: day ever.

974
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I can tell you what I read

975
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,119
Speaker 1: in books, but that's all I know.

976
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 8: Well, look like you said earlier about GROC and open

977
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,599
Speaker 8: AI and chat GPT and search GPT, those are all

978
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:38,639
Speaker 8: correct as well. They're all very easily accessible, but people

979
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:42,159
Speaker 8: don't do their research and they don't care. So here

980
01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:44,559
Speaker 8: I am the little AI kid, just trying to tell

981
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:45,599
Speaker 8: the world that AI is.

982
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 2: Just wait until we have the dogs with.

983
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 8: The fucking gun mouths that can fly and you can

984
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,199
Speaker 8: command them. However, that's when the military will really do

985
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,239
Speaker 8: you know, That's when people really start.

986
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:56,639
Speaker 2: To pay attention.

987
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,679
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I think you're right about that. Like if

988
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:03,079
Speaker 1: I saw a flying dog with a bunch of guns

989
01:02:03,079 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: coming out of it like a you know, Skynet sense

990
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:09,039
Speaker 1: of a flying dog at me? Yes, I will definitely

991
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:12,559
Speaker 1: be paying attention ying Ying Yang twin. What's up ying

992
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: the windows to the wheel?

993
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: That guy was crazy?

994
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:18,199
Speaker 9: Man?

995
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:19,679
Speaker 2: What was he talking about?

996
01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:22,239
Speaker 1: I think he's talking about Darper dogs, like when a

997
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:23,239
Speaker 1: Darper dog can.

998
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: Fly in the Black Mirror episode.

999
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's no, I think that's what he meant. That's

1000
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,719
Speaker 1: my first thought was the Black Mirror episode.

1001
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 3: Mada, I'm crying.

1002
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie man.

1003
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: That was so funny.

1004
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:34,519
Speaker 2: But now how to go?

1005
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:34,719
Speaker 3: Man?

1006
01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:38,519
Speaker 2: You're right, I was. I've got a couple of points

1007
01:02:38,519 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: on topic.

1008
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 9: The first one is a bit more of like an

1009
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 9: interesting one because the phraseology these letters always confuse me.

1010
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,599
Speaker 2: I was wondering if you knew anything about.

1011
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,079
Speaker 9: Like the Pike Mazzini letters from like eighteen seventy one.

1012
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:52,679
Speaker 2: You're familiar with those, Yeah, what what what is that about?

1013
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: Are they just frauds or what?

1014
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,599
Speaker 9: Because they use a lot of like twentieth century phraseology

1015
01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:57,199
Speaker 9: in those letters.

1016
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:02,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've looked into that pretty extensively. It does seem

1017
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,119
Speaker 1: like it's probably not authentic, but there still might be

1018
01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:10,079
Speaker 1: something like might be based on something like other famous

1019
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:11,079
Speaker 1: documents like that.

1020
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,079
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's what I'll kind of like on the way

1021
01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:16,039
Speaker 9: I was thinking, because they used too much twentieth century

1022
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 9: phraseology for me to think that's authentic in what eighteen

1023
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:19,639
Speaker 9: seventy one?

1024
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,519
Speaker 1: Right, And it is true, however that actually Zionism as

1025
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:26,719
Speaker 1: a term is actually used earlier than most people think.

1026
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: But I think the better argument is about the terminology

1027
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: for tiny mustache man. I don't think there was anybody

1028
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: using that in a z I terminology that early.

1029
01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:39,559
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, I hear.

1030
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 9: That definitely seems to be also, like there's a misconception

1031
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,639
Speaker 9: that communism wasn't being spoken about in those specific terms

1032
01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 9: in their.

1033
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: Late eighteen hundreds, but in fact it was. No, it was, yeah,

1034
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,039
Speaker 2: definitely for real.

1035
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,599
Speaker 9: And the second point I was going to make I

1036
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 9: was going to bring up too, is like, have you

1037
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 9: ever seen that goofy picture of Crowley.

1038
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:57,639
Speaker 2: In the back of the Beatles album?

1039
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:58,079
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1040
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:00,519
Speaker 2: You have seen that in this year.

1041
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 9: I showed this to my you know, normally friend the

1042
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,639
Speaker 9: other day yea, and he literally I told him this.

1043
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 9: I think, do you think there's anything strange about this?

1044
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 9: I'm not joking, but he goes, I don't care. When

1045
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 9: are we going to the pub This is the mindset

1046
01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 9: and level that people are at in the Western world today.

1047
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:16,639
Speaker 9: You see what I'm saying, Like in England, people care

1048
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 9: more about football than they do the future.

1049
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: The absolutely yeah, I mean Brendon Sarcus is my body

1050
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,639
Speaker 1: was reading a stat the other day that it was

1051
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: some crazy stat. I have to look it up, but

1052
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: it was like some outrageous percentage of high school graduates

1053
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: have never read a book, and then some other high

1054
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: percent percentage like can't read, like literally can't read. How

1055
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,039
Speaker 1: do you get through high school when you can't read

1056
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:40,519
Speaker 1: or read a book? I've never read a book.

1057
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 9: But yeah, there's some data in a US, say like

1058
01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:47,039
Speaker 9: places like stays like Balti Baltimore. Oh, it might be

1059
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 9: a city of state, so I'm not American, you know,

1060
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 9: low like Hubrit here.

1061
01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 2: But it's funny because like there's like.

1062
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,079
Speaker 9: Twelve schools in that area alone where zero percent of

1063
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:56,199
Speaker 9: the kids can do math.

1064
01:04:56,039 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 2: At grade level and sting.

1065
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:57,559
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

1066
01:04:57,639 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 2: It does not blow your mind.

1067
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:02,519
Speaker 11: Yes, And I was going to bring up two final

1068
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Speaker 11: points to one of quick one another like funny one

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Speaker 11: are you ever are you familiar all with like the

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01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:15,639
Speaker 11: Islamic narrative about Joseph.

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Speaker 1: Not my hair. What do they say about Joseph.

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01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:18,719
Speaker 9: Well, it's really interesting because my boy put me onto

1073
01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:21,679
Speaker 9: this the other day. He basically in the Courdban they

1074
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:25,599
Speaker 9: mentioned Durhams like over almost a thousand years before they

1075
01:05:25,639 --> 01:05:27,239
Speaker 9: were even a used currency.

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Speaker 2: They said that Joseph was using Durhams and stuff like that.

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Speaker 11: Really, so so stupid, man, it's so dumb, Like, bro,

1078
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 11: I'm not lying to you, man.

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01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: They're literally talking about like Durhams and stuff like that.

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01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: In that's like Joseph Smith level stuff, because there's stuff

1081
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,039
Speaker 1: like that in the Book of Mormon two, which is

1082
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, well, I mean you.

1083
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 2: Look at the Book of Mormon.

1084
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 9: Those tablets were shown to be the pagan Egyptian Scrolls

1085
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 9: of Breathing, and the.

1086
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 2: Claimed it was a Gospel of Abraham.

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Speaker 1: I mean like what, Yeah, there was a when we

1088
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: were driving to the Vegas event, we passed this place

1089
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,719
Speaker 1: where Jamie said that she had been out there many

1090
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:08,079
Speaker 1: years before and there's like some kind of famous rock

1091
01:06:08,239 --> 01:06:10,639
Speaker 1: or that it's like a chair that's carved into the

1092
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:14,039
Speaker 1: side of a place in New Mexico, like a rock

1093
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: out in the desert, and it had this Hebrew inscription

1094
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: on it, and so a lot of the idiot stoners

1095
01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: and new agers think that this was like some kind

1096
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: of mystical thing. But then if you read about it,

1097
01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: if you read about it, it turns out that people

1098
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: think that Mormons, that Mormons one hundred years ago carved

1099
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: Hebrew into this chair to prove that there were the

1100
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,079
Speaker 1: Mormon tribes of Israel in Utah or whatever.

1101
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 2: That crazying on.

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01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:47,559
Speaker 1: Everybody's a bunch of idiots, that's the problem. Thank you

1103
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: for that. I mean, you can basically just tell people anything.

1104
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: People like, what's this Billy Carson dude talk? I can't

1105
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: believe people believe this dude. Why is this dude on

1106
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:58,199
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan? Okay, Like I will never get on Joe Rogan,

1107
01:06:58,199 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: but this dude will go on Joe Rogan. Let's see

1108
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: what he's talking about here. I gotta hear, I gotta hear,

1109
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: my Billy Courses.

1110
01:07:05,719 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 10: We have vehicles not of this world, and they've shown

1111
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 10: up in broad daylight, and they've actually deactivated nuclear codes

1112
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,159
Speaker 10: on live nukes. So let's stop pretending like we don't

1113
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 10: know if that's happening, and let's talk about now.

1114
01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:23,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody that denies this. You just pretend. Then we

1115
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: all know the UFOs have showed up and hacked into

1116
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: the codes up, up, down, down, left, right, BA select start.

1117
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:34,159
Speaker 1: That's the code they use.

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01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 10: Bro.

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01:07:35,199 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: You ain't know when they turned them nukes off, Bo,

1120
01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: they just flipped it off. They hit control all the leap.

1121
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:47,639
Speaker 10: It's made and covered with solar panels that have the

1122
01:07:47,719 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 10: right capacity for a conversion entire United States for free.

1123
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 10: That's all we can need.

1124
01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 12: All you gotta do is lay out on a flat

1125
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,119
Speaker 12: ground across the Earth solar panels.

1126
01:08:01,239 --> 01:08:04,719
Speaker 1: The whole world could have energy for the next million years.

1127
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: Bro.

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01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: That's my that's my black dude melding into theovonna bron.

1129
01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 10: And so that's why the zero point sty suppressed so hard.

1130
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:18,239
Speaker 10: Enough is enough shit.

1131
01:08:20,119 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 1: That that's our ancient Egyptian Uh. They got an energy coil.

1132
01:08:26,199 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: They got it all coiled up inside that piromediate. It's

1133
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: a coil up in there. It's a copper coil. And

1134
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: then then the white dudes, that was rednecks have got

1135
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: up in there and they went and sold that metal.

1136
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:41,119
Speaker 3: Bro.

1137
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 12: They realized that it was copper coiled all up inside

1138
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,279
Speaker 12: the pyramids, and a bunch of white meth heads trying

1139
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 12: to keep us down have got all of that copper

1140
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,079
Speaker 12: and has sold it bro to get meth.

1141
01:08:57,079 --> 01:09:00,199
Speaker 1: That's why we can't have free zero point energy.

1142
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 10: Used to hear me talk about UFOs and aliens and

1143
01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 10: enough is enough. Ten fifteen, twenty years ago, I'm now

1144
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,399
Speaker 10: all coming back to me saying, Hey, I can't believe

1145
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,319
Speaker 10: that you were right the whole time, right man, They're

1146
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 10: starting to really believe it, and they're starting to ask

1147
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 10: more questions. So even though we're not getting the kind

1148
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:21,239
Speaker 10: of disclosure we actually want from the government, we are

1149
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 10: getting the fact that.

1150
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 6: We getting the disclosure we deserve. It ain't the disclosure

1151
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 6: that we won't and it ain't even the disclosure that

1152
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 6: we need. Is the disclosure that we deserve. Boy, Right now,

1153
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,319
Speaker 6: I'm starting to tell Rogo Rapper who got here grilled.

1154
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,079
Speaker 10: In right hall, that they're talking about it enough to

1155
01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:44,159
Speaker 10: where now people are saying, oh, this is actually real.

1156
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 10: There are potentially well.

1157
01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:49,359
Speaker 1: I guess if they're talking about it as real, right,

1158
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,239
Speaker 1: if enough people is talking about it, it's real, really,

1159
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:54,560
Speaker 1: course of my boy, right.

1160
01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:57,279
Speaker 10: There bos and being some other planets and so on

1161
01:09:57,399 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 10: and so on.

1162
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: Something uf HOS my mama turning tricks on a UFO.

1163
01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:08,119
Speaker 1: Remember that? Remember that clip. Surprised that clip didn't go viral,

1164
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: that woman talking about selling her body on a UFO.

1165
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. That was an actual local news clip.

1166
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,119
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it, but it was. Y'all know what

1167
01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Do I need to remind y'all how

1168
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:27,079
Speaker 1: crazy people are just going insane? That's the whole country

1169
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: is literally just going nuts. And yes, Maxine Waters will

1170
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:38,520
Speaker 1: be in my top fifty forty three impressions funniest local

1171
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: news clip. She she is a lady of the evening

1172
01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:49,359
Speaker 1: for aliens. I'm not joking. Gotta play this clip.

1173
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 10: Watch this.

1174
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:50,560
Speaker 1: Here's salon.

1175
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,119
Speaker 10: Did I need someone who swear.

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Speaker 13: On numerous occasions for some very very close encounters.

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01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:05,359
Speaker 1: I like that drawing, dude, It's a that's a drawing

1178
01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: by the same brother that drew the Leprechaun the leper

1179
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:12,399
Speaker 1: cones right, Like to remember this when I wait a minute,

1180
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: tricks inside the grabbing Trump. It looks like I grabbed that,

1181
01:11:20,119 --> 01:11:23,199
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So Dan's ship to get

1182
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 1: the drill. Mama's turning chicks inside the Doug.

1183
01:11:28,359 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 12: Grabbing Chunk, Run it down the cheese Highway.

1184
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:40,119
Speaker 1: Mama's turning chicks is inside Doug grabbing trunk, run it

1185
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: down the cheese highways. That was a good song, by

1186
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,279
Speaker 1: the way, And if you're not watching on the video,

1187
01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:54,399
Speaker 1: what I said won't make it make sense. You you

1188
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:58,119
Speaker 1: just think I'm schitzo. You think I'm crazy. There's a

1189
01:11:58,199 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: grab Atron with a cheese high way and a woman

1190
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:05,520
Speaker 1: floating up on it. Mama's turning tricks inside the grab

1191
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: a Tron down a long cheese highway. Now that's freaking funny.

1192
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are. Tell me that's not funny.

1193
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: That is funny as heck. And there's the clip. If

1194
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:23,319
Speaker 1: y'all missed it, this only got six hundred views. This

1195
01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 1: ship should go viral. Boy, why isn't that viral? That's

1196
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: your fault, boys and girls. Boys in the no ten

1197
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,279
Speaker 1: percent girls. I was looking at my stats. We got

1198
01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:42,039
Speaker 1: ten percent ladyship audience, ninety percent sausage boy audience. That's okay.

1199
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:47,199
Speaker 1: I'm all right to hang out with the bros. Anyway.

1200
01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: Where we have Billy Carson over here talking about aliens.

1201
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,520
Speaker 10: Now, it's an open discussion. Even when I'm in restaurants.

1202
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 10: Sometimes I hear people sitting around talking about rest UFOs

1203
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 10: and UAPs and aliens. Where's before a decade ago, I

1204
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,399
Speaker 10: wouldn't never hear a conversation like that openly in an

1205
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 10: open public place. It's just people are becoming more aware.

1206
01:13:08,079 --> 01:13:10,359
Speaker 1: No, people just becoming more dumb. Dude, you didn't even

1207
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: you didn't even consider.

1208
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 10: That option, and more understanding and opening their minds.

1209
01:13:14,319 --> 01:13:16,159
Speaker 1: He figured out people were becoming more dumb so he

1210
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 1: could pull his grift. He's like, I can sell everybody

1211
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,239
Speaker 1: on this. We was King's afro pyramid crap.

1212
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 10: More to the reality that we're not alone, and they're

1213
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 10: starting to ask more questions. So the benefit of all

1214
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 10: of this Arrow and a Tip and all these other programs,

1215
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 10: the benefit that we do have at least is the

1216
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 10: fact that people are becoming more open to this information.

1217
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:37,319
Speaker 10: But one of the advices that.

1218
01:13:37,319 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: Are becoming more open to my cult.

1219
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,520
Speaker 10: And so let me start with the government agenda. First,

1220
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 10: follow the money, follow the money, uh huh, gone releases

1221
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 10: or what government press release says. Then what they're going

1222
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,199
Speaker 10: to find is they're really just following an agenda, which

1223
01:13:55,239 --> 01:13:58,039
Speaker 10: always is about following the money. And so let me

1224
01:13:58,039 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 10: start with the government agenda first. An agenda is to

1225
01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 10: make money, and it always is. It's all of them.

1226
01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: What is the agenda of the New Age cult man?

1227
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 1: I wonder does he have.

1228
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 12: An agenda to make any fat cash? To stack some

1229
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,279
Speaker 12: chedda on a long cheese highway?

1230
01:14:19,359 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: Mama's turning chicks inside the rabbittran on a long cheesehowa

1231
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:34,159
Speaker 1: Hawaiian power shout out to my Keano supremacists. WHOA, I

1232
01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:38,119
Speaker 1: need a good Oh that's what I forgot in my impressions.

1233
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 3: Hey, j in my life.

1234
01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 2: Hey brother, just on that last point.

1235
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 14: I'm from Hawaii and I have a Hawaiian cultural background,

1236
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 14: and I think I had a similar spiritual art to

1237
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,119
Speaker 14: you know a lot of millennials where you know, grew

1238
01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 14: up hated Christianity, super into New Age Eastern religion, O

1239
01:14:59,119 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 14: Shamanism and all that kind of thing. As I got older,

1240
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 14: I started I started getting into like the Hawaiian religion

1241
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:06,560
Speaker 14: side of things.

1242
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I'm talking about that. I mean, look,

1243
01:15:10,199 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm tempted. I get tempted to convert to Keanu supremacism.

1244
01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm a k broy Ki.

1245
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1246
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 14: But like I remember when I was younger, I met

1247
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 14: this Hawaiian shaman dude, and he was like, all right,

1248
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,119
Speaker 14: I'm going to show you like the ancient black magic stuff.

1249
01:15:26,119 --> 01:15:28,359
Speaker 14: When I was so naive, I was like, yep, sounds good.

1250
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:32,560
Speaker 14: And we're doing like these rituals and like no joke,

1251
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:36,199
Speaker 14: we're sober, like no drugs at all. And I'm seeing

1252
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 14: like these entities that look just like the ancient Hawaiian carvings,

1253
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 14: and they're like explaining to me how they guided Hawaiians

1254
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,079
Speaker 14: supernaturally across the Pacific with star lines and the instructions

1255
01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 14: of how to build the canoes and everything. And that

1256
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:55,279
Speaker 14: sounds that sounds like all fine, well and dandy. But

1257
01:15:56,079 --> 01:15:58,560
Speaker 14: you know, like as I got deeper into doing rituals

1258
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 14: with this guy, come to find out the aerial realm

1259
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 14: of the spirits, dude. These spirits are hungry for human blood,

1260
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 14: you know. And you see that commonality across all all

1261
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 14: human cultures.

1262
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they always want human sacrifice exactly why.

1263
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 14: Is Yeah, And like even with like all these new agers,

1264
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 14: like you can see just.

1265
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 2: Return to the ancient ways and like this drive for that.

1266
01:16:19,279 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 14: Yeah, and you know, I'm on my way to becoming

1267
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,079
Speaker 14: an Orthodox Christian, But like, I totally believe that we're

1268
01:16:25,119 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 14: not too far away from a time where you know,

1269
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,319
Speaker 14: you'll start seeing some of these human sacrifice cults getting

1270
01:16:31,359 --> 01:16:33,199
Speaker 14: more normalized.

1271
01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.

1272
01:16:34,119 --> 01:16:36,199
Speaker 1: It sounds so SciPy, now that's what that's No, it's not,

1273
01:16:36,319 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: because it's in one of those UN documents. And I

1274
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,520
Speaker 1: remember Alex talked about that like fifteen years ago, and

1275
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,520
Speaker 1: I thought that was crazy when he said that. And

1276
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 1: I first heard that, I was like, what's nah, But

1277
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: now it actually is in there, and I and since

1278
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,319
Speaker 1: that time, I've I've read at least two of the

1279
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: globally to talk about how, I mean, there's nothing wrong

1280
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Speaker 1: with bringing back those kinds of cults because it might

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01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,119
Speaker 1: you know, call the herd. I mean they're that crazy.

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Speaker 15: No.

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01:17:02,079 --> 01:17:06,039
Speaker 1: Well, so, Arthur Kessler in his Ghosts in the Machine

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01:17:06,039 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 1: book says that the rise of human sacrifice and cannibalism

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01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 1: actually led to the evolution of man. I'm not joking,

1286
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:21,319
Speaker 1: so like we evolved because of eating each other. So uh,

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01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,399
Speaker 1: I think you're spot on. And Yeah, the people that

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01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,279
Speaker 1: go and do these kind of drug trips they have

1289
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Speaker 1: I mean I had I didn't have an experience where

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01:17:28,279 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 1: anybody was telling me to eat somebody. But you know,

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01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 1: I've had bad trips, and yeah, you do see entities.

1292
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 1: You see these beings and they they try to influence you.

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01:17:39,119 --> 01:17:45,039
Speaker 1: So my point is, yes, I'm converting to kan keanuism.

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01:17:45,239 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: I'm about to become a ki honist. I need a

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01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:52,159
Speaker 1: gun if you want. I like how the last John

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01:17:52,199 --> 01:17:54,359
Speaker 1: Wick had like he had like four lines in it.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean most of the movie is him,

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01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, punching and kicking and shooting, and I'm like,

1299
01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 1: they didn't give him more lines. He's in that that line,

1300
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:07,159
Speaker 1: he used that line like twice. A nude a gun.

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01:18:09,079 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need a gun. It's like he just phoned

1302
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: in an in Dan Barne. That's a that's a wholesome

1303
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:30,560
Speaker 1: name right there, Dan Barne, Bob shed or Dan Barne.

1304
01:18:31,039 --> 01:18:36,399
Speaker 1: Who's whose side, y'all? I don't know what do you mean?

1305
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: It's a job, dude, what's up?

1306
01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 9: I don't know.

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01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,520
Speaker 2: Uh well, I've got a question that has to do

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01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,199
Speaker 2: with a lot of what you've been talking about.

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01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 16: Uh So my dad is super involved politically.

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01:18:52,039 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 3: He's listened to Alex for fifteen twenty years.

1312
01:18:58,720 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 2: He's got three degrees.

1313
01:19:00,119 --> 01:19:05,319
Speaker 16: He's completely consumed. Long story short, and not to give

1314
01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 16: too much information.

1315
01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:08,039
Speaker 2: I'm anonymous. Heious, it doesn't really matter.

1316
01:19:08,119 --> 01:19:10,399
Speaker 16: But so him and my mom are about to get

1317
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 16: divorced up for forty years and long story short, he's

1318
01:19:14,199 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 16: he's just gone so far out into a cult level

1319
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 16: of the extreme right wing, end times evangelical praying tones,

1320
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 16: every day prophecies about crypto and getting you know, the

1321
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 16: Iraqi did all revaluing and Zimbabwe and bombs.

1322
01:19:34,039 --> 01:19:35,520
Speaker 2: Have you heard of that stuff?

1323
01:19:36,359 --> 01:19:37,039
Speaker 1: I have not known.

1324
01:19:39,279 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 2: Well, I'm wondering, how do you.

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01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 16: I'm sure that you've come across people that are all

1326
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 16: there's something about them that is unapproachable and unreachable in

1327
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 16: a sense, even if it's somebody.

1328
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 3: Close to you.

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01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 16: It's almost like there's something spiritual going on where they're

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01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 16: just entirely consumed and possessed by this obsession that it's

1331
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,520
Speaker 16: just all they think and talk about.

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01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,039
Speaker 2: It's just it's like the only thing that they can do.

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01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would say that's a kind of a we

1334
01:20:10,279 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: would call it a delusion, or in the Orthodox Church

1335
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: it's called prelest, where you get obsessed with something that

1336
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: you think is you know, God, or you replace God

1337
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,600
Speaker 1: with that, you think that God's leading you to that,

1338
01:20:23,159 --> 01:20:26,319
Speaker 1: And it's a very powerful delusion because we we are

1339
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,159
Speaker 1: our own hearts can be very deceptive and make us

1340
01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: think that, you know, whatever is happening is is God,

1341
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: and we can mistake our own desires and emotions for God.

1342
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:44,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so. How do you talk to somebody that.

1343
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:46,199
Speaker 3: I don't know?

1344
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I would just say, like I mean,

1345
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:50,640
Speaker 1: and I would imagine if you're you know, if your

1346
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: dad's an I mean, he sounds like he's an intelligent guy.

1347
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: I would say that eventually, what happens with a lot

1348
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: of these kind of you know, end Time's premillennial stuff.

1349
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: And I was premillennial in times dude, when I was

1350
01:21:02,039 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: like nineteen, so I can understand that mindset. But a

1351
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 1: lot of times what happens is that it's kind of

1352
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 1: like people that follow that Q crap and all that

1353
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: stupid Q nonsense, Like, eventually, what starts to happen is

1354
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:17,359
Speaker 1: that you realize this isn't coming about. So wait a minute,

1355
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:21,560
Speaker 1: this prophecy didn't happen. Trump didn't do this, Hillary's not

1356
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 1: Guantanamo Bay. Tom Hanks is not underneath the Pentagon being detained.

1357
01:21:26,039 --> 01:21:28,159
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a whole bunch of nonsense, and

1358
01:21:28,199 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: it should have been obvious like pretty quick. I mean

1359
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: I said Q was crap, like within a week or two.

1360
01:21:36,399 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 1: But sometimes it takes a discernment and people don't have

1361
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: the you know, discernment in these kinds of issues, something

1362
01:21:41,039 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: that comes after you know, maybe many years. But if

1363
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: your dad is you know, it sounds like he's a

1364
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, smart guy. So it's not just all about intelligence,

1365
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:54,039
Speaker 1: but I think intelligent people have this the tool set

1366
01:21:54,159 --> 01:22:02,279
Speaker 1: to maybe recognize and see things quicker and uh, come on, yeah,

1367
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 1: Q absolutely did claim all kinds of nonsense. And if

1368
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:07,560
Speaker 1: you're a c person, like why are you even in

1369
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,520
Speaker 1: this chat? This is it's obvious, this is not for you.

1370
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:14,560
Speaker 1: So this is c Q crap is not here. I mean,

1371
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 1: if you can't figure that stuff out, like please don't

1372
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,520
Speaker 1: come on my channel, Like this is not for you.

1373
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 1: I have zero tolerance for that stuff. Anyway. I would

1374
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,159
Speaker 1: just kind of keep up with the things that never

1375
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:40,279
Speaker 1: come to pass because for false prophets, false religions, like

1376
01:22:40,359 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 1: eventually the stuff that they talk about doesn't happen, and

1377
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,119
Speaker 1: then what happens is that people that are locked into

1378
01:22:46,319 --> 01:22:52,159
Speaker 1: into the cult mindset will want to not think about that,

1379
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 1: So it might be helpful to say, you know, maybe

1380
01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:00,039
Speaker 1: down the road, hey dad, you notice like all that

1381
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:04,239
Speaker 1: off that you were expecting, Like it didn't happen, Rapture

1382
01:23:04,279 --> 01:23:10,560
Speaker 1: didn't come. You know, Antichrist isn't born in New York

1383
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: or whatever, Like, we don't have any evidence of this.

1384
01:23:14,039 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 1: It's all like weirdo speculations and people reading into it.

1385
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,319
Speaker 1: And you also might bring up other issues that would

1386
01:23:20,359 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 1: be maybe more fundamental than all the end time stuff.

1387
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: I would say, well, if you're a Protestant evangelical, like

1388
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,239
Speaker 1: how do you know you have the right biblical canon?

1389
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 1: And how come nobody prior to the Schofield Bible taught

1390
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: any of this stuff? Like do you think the church

1391
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:42,159
Speaker 1: fundamentally didn't understand you know, the bodily resurrection and you

1392
01:23:42,199 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: know the Last Days until some goofy goober who was

1393
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,399
Speaker 1: supported by the rothchilds in England. I mean, does that

1394
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 1: really make any sense? Come on, that's stupid and the

1395
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:56,279
Speaker 1: whole thing is all it's all geopolitically motivated anyway, Balfour

1396
01:23:56,359 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: Declaration all that should be obvious. But uh, but it

1397
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: is true like that Protestant boomer boomer evangelical Q rapture crap. Like,

1398
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's that's a that's a tough one.

1399
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: I would say, maybe maybe not focus on debating that,

1400
01:24:19,399 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 1: but like maybe shifted over into trying to debate something

1401
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:27,079
Speaker 1: like the canon in tradition, because if that falls, then

1402
01:24:27,119 --> 01:24:30,159
Speaker 1: the rest of that crap's gonna fall. But he's probably

1403
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:35,560
Speaker 1: so wedded to the you know, pre millennial dispensation rapture stuff,

1404
01:24:36,199 --> 01:24:39,279
Speaker 1: that you're probably not gonna convince him by directly debating

1405
01:24:39,319 --> 01:24:40,079
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff.

1406
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 10: I don't know.

1407
01:24:42,199 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: But good news is uh Mark is zucker based. And

1408
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:52,279
Speaker 1: like I said, zucker Zuckerberg was corn pop all along.

1409
01:24:52,319 --> 01:24:54,520
Speaker 1: That was my theory, right, that was one of the

1410
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:58,159
Speaker 1: Q drops, Right, Zuckerberg was was Q all along. I'm

1411
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: being stupid. I'm joking, but people are so stupid they

1412
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: won't even realize I'm joking. But I am a little surprised.

1413
01:25:05,279 --> 01:25:09,279
Speaker 1: I don't actually think zucker he's Sucker based. I think

1414
01:25:09,319 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: that people just say whatever they think the where the

1415
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: tide's going. So if the tide's turning in this direction,

1416
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 1: they'll say this kind of stuff. But it is interesting

1417
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:24,159
Speaker 1: that Zuckerberg said that he thought it was pretty badass

1418
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 1: that Trump got up. He said that.

1419
01:25:29,279 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 10: It was.

1420
01:25:31,279 --> 01:25:36,159
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense to reduce intelligence to think that

1421
01:25:36,199 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: you could upload your mind to a cloud. That sounds like,

1422
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,039
Speaker 1: has Zuckerberg been listening to me? By the way, you

1423
01:25:41,079 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: notice that style he's got going. People were pointing out, like,

1424
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg got that style from me? Son? Remember that? Remember

1425
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: that image? Everybody the people put up, They're like, do

1426
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,239
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg's took your style?

1427
01:25:53,399 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 3: Dude?

1428
01:25:54,760 --> 01:26:00,399
Speaker 1: What the heck? Hey, Zuck, give me some like if

1429
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,159
Speaker 1: you want to show me some love, promote my stuff, Dude,

1430
01:26:03,159 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: you've locked me down. You've had my profile and lockdown forever.

1431
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: Help me out, dude, then I'll believe you're a sucker based.

1432
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,520
Speaker 1: Where's that picture? I'm gonna see if I can find it,

1433
01:26:17,359 --> 01:26:20,079
Speaker 1: I scroll back. I'm gonna prove it to you. He

1434
01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 1: stole my style. Look watch, Yeah, should be right in

1435
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:42,640
Speaker 1: here somewhere, zucker Based. I'm gonna read a couple of

1436
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: super chats and then we'll go back to where's that

1437
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 1: picture at We'll go back to open forum. Well, no,

1438
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,079
Speaker 1: I can't find it. It's on my Instagram, but I

1439
01:26:57,079 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 1: can't find it over here. I'm all proven to you

1440
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: though I'm approved. He stole my style. Maybe I'll never

1441
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 1: find it. Anyway. I remember this guy we record that

1442
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:27,520
Speaker 1: dude talks in tongues every time he talks. Uh, your

1443
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,319
Speaker 1: default is talking in tongues.

1444
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

1445
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: I can't find it, but it's on my Instagram. All right,

1446
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:37,520
Speaker 1: let's move on.

1447
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:51,399
Speaker 17: Henry Henry, Hello, yo, hey, to go back.

1448
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 18: I never heard of this guy, Billy Carson, but I

1449
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,199
Speaker 18: ran into a post on Instagram the other day of

1450
01:27:57,279 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 18: this black guy and he was talking of like.

1451
01:28:01,399 --> 01:28:03,079
Speaker 2: He was talking about, you know, the same.

1452
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:06,319
Speaker 18: Typical stuff like oh, yeah, we were we were gods

1453
01:28:06,319 --> 01:28:08,159
Speaker 18: and goddesses from the planets and.

1454
01:28:08,079 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 2: We we flew the pyramids. Here we are the original.

1455
01:28:11,359 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 18: Yeah, we are the first mountain builders brothers and sis

1456
01:28:15,119 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 18: and you know, I commented on it, and I was

1457
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 18: talking to some of these guys and they have some

1458
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:25,199
Speaker 18: of the craziest points, like they were talking about how,

1459
01:28:26,279 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 18: oh yeah, some black babies are being born very gifted.

1460
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,039
Speaker 2: They are the ancient ones.

1461
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, like me, that's how did you not see today's

1462
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: opening of this episode?

1463
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:37,159
Speaker 10: That was me?

1464
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 3: That's you.

1465
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:43,520
Speaker 1: J I am yakuborn exactly chocolate.

1466
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,359
Speaker 18: But yeah, I kept asking about them and how they like,

1467
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:52,119
Speaker 18: you know, you know, where they get this kind of

1468
01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:56,279
Speaker 18: crazy shit from. And they they they think that the

1469
01:28:56,359 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 18: Vatican has their writings locked away.

1470
01:28:58,600 --> 01:28:59,560
Speaker 2: Underneath the Vatican.

1471
01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah I believe that.

1472
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:02,319
Speaker 2: Just a crazy ship.

1473
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 18: Yeah. I just wanted to just add that.

1474
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 2: Thanks for your work, Jay, thank you.

1475
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah you see that right there, You see that picture.

1476
01:29:11,319 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: This is proof of what I'm talking about. That's me,

1477
01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:20,199
Speaker 1: the Chad dude right there, white chocolate. That's me in

1478
01:29:20,279 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 1: my previous life as a yakub And then that's a

1479
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:28,239
Speaker 1: blue check mark, liberal mad at me, jealous, trying to

1480
01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:32,359
Speaker 1: keep me down. So people thought I didn't have proof. Boom,

1481
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:38,600
Speaker 1: visual proof right there for you, Tiffany, breakfast at Tiffany's

1482
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 1: on you, Tiffany.

1483
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:51,239
Speaker 3: I this is my sure.

1484
01:29:51,359 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 19: Three years ago, my son and I belonged to the

1485
01:29:54,279 --> 01:29:57,560
Speaker 19: movement and then we got out the cam movement because

1486
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:01,600
Speaker 19: some stupid thing. And so I'm just sharing with you

1487
01:30:02,039 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 19: what it was.

1488
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 2: All it was is a trap.

1489
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:05,359
Speaker 3: It was an.

1490
01:30:05,239 --> 01:30:09,199
Speaker 19: Emotional trap for everybody to not start fighting together right

1491
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Speaker 19: and it was a huge form of division and it

1492
01:30:14,359 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 19: was a spiritual attach on all of us Going Am

1493
01:30:17,119 --> 01:30:20,560
Speaker 19: people and all of us Christians start to start fighting,

1494
01:30:21,119 --> 01:30:25,119
Speaker 19: and all the Pentecostal people are so entirely lost, and

1495
01:30:25,159 --> 01:30:29,319
Speaker 19: they are completely lost in this because they're tied to

1496
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,159
Speaker 19: Israel so deeply that they're not tied to.

1497
01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 2: Their own culture. And the lack of.

1498
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 19: Culture is so prevalent in the Going Am or white

1499
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,159
Speaker 19: culture because they don't know.

1500
01:30:42,119 --> 01:30:44,560
Speaker 2: Where they come from. And that's all I have to

1501
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:45,119
Speaker 2: share with you.

1502
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 1: Well, I tell you where you come from. You come

1503
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 1: from planet Yakub. And until you realize that, you're going

1504
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:57,399
Speaker 1: to be lost. And I just showed you proof right

1505
01:30:57,399 --> 01:31:08,159
Speaker 1: there in that picture, So chew on that, CJ. And

1506
01:31:08,199 --> 01:31:15,159
Speaker 1: if y'all don't know about the uh space Pimps, you

1507
01:31:15,159 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: could join the Space Pimp Alliance right here, I got

1508
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:23,319
Speaker 1: it up for you. I'll show you where it's at.

1509
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,520
Speaker 1: Now you can watch the full stream right here. What's up, CJ?

1510
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: Where I go after Billy Carson right here? The Galactic

1511
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:37,119
Speaker 1: Pimp Alliance, Hood Healers Star Seed. Y'all are going to

1512
01:31:37,119 --> 01:31:39,279
Speaker 1: be tempted to think we're learning about the dork Lord

1513
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:44,159
Speaker 1: right here, here's the full episode. And then I gave

1514
01:31:44,199 --> 01:31:47,600
Speaker 1: you even a little clip to help you out. I mean,

1515
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 1: this stuff is so ridiculous. I'm trying to help y'all out.

1516
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:01,199
Speaker 1: Y'all a bunch of stars scene until that got throwned

1517
01:32:02,079 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: moon Leavers. Look right here? Do y'all want to join

1518
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:15,560
Speaker 1: the Pimp the Galactic Pimp Alliance starring Billy Corson? Where

1519
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:21,359
Speaker 1: it at? Where are at? I know what's so? I

1520
01:32:21,359 --> 01:32:24,079
Speaker 1: put it on here? Where is it at? Pimp Alliance?

1521
01:32:26,039 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was an awesome thumbnail too. What's ship?

1522
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 1: Where they go? Right here? Intergalactive Pimp Alliance has formed?

1523
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 1: Are you in this is There's a limited number of

1524
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:54,520
Speaker 1: seats available. You better ensure your place on the flying Pyramid.

1525
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: There's a limit that we only got about six hundred

1526
01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: seats inside of my pyramid. We're gonna blast off. We're

1527
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:09,199
Speaker 1: gonna follow the Heaven's Gate comment. Everybody gets free sneakers,

1528
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:16,079
Speaker 1: free basketball shoes if you come with me on the

1529
01:33:16,119 --> 01:33:26,600
Speaker 1: Intergalactic pamp Alliance. What's up? Dude? Who's up next? Keeping on?

1530
01:33:33,359 --> 01:33:33,640
Speaker 14: Hello?

1531
01:33:34,039 --> 01:33:34,520
Speaker 15: Hear me?

1532
01:33:35,359 --> 01:33:35,520
Speaker 3: Yes?

1533
01:33:37,279 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 20: So, So, I'm an althorodox Jew and I just want

1534
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 20: to have a discussion with you regarding Jesus and the

1535
01:33:44,039 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 20: showment of the Messianic.

1536
01:33:46,319 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 1: Prophecies, Okay, do what's specifically?

1537
01:33:51,319 --> 01:33:53,319
Speaker 20: So I just want to ask a you question because

1538
01:33:53,319 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 20: I'm not really sure what sect of Christianity you are in.

1539
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:00,600
Speaker 20: So I know you guys have their friends views, you know.

1540
01:34:01,319 --> 01:34:05,039
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I'm Orthodox Christians, so Eastern Orthodox.

1541
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 3: Okay, Orthodox, that's nice to my best size. Actually, So,

1542
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:12,520
Speaker 3: so do you.

1543
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:17,039
Speaker 20: Believe in the New Covenant as mentioned in jerl Maya

1544
01:34:17,159 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 20: thirty one? Yes, and you believe that's being fulfilled or

1545
01:34:23,239 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 20: partially fulfilled or waiting to be fulfilled.

1546
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 3: Like what do you believe it to be?

1547
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 1: Well, we believe that at the first coming of the Messiah,

1548
01:34:32,039 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 1: he brought the reality of that New Covenant that is

1549
01:34:36,079 --> 01:34:39,560
Speaker 1: characterizing our age, and then the fullness of that will

1550
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,039
Speaker 1: be brought in at the Escaton. So it's a both

1551
01:34:42,079 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 1: and yes.

1552
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,520
Speaker 20: Okay, So like in like if we do have a discussion,

1553
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,079
Speaker 20: I'm not sure if you do want to, but I'm

1554
01:34:53,119 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 20: just waning if it's possible if we should stick to

1555
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:59,319
Speaker 20: the Old Testament exclusively and just.

1556
01:34:59,359 --> 01:35:02,600
Speaker 3: It hits what Old Testament says. If it's okay, right, Yeah,

1557
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:03,279
Speaker 3: I don't mind.

1558
01:35:03,319 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 1: I mean, well, obviously I understand you wouldn't accept the

1559
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,159
Speaker 1: New Testament. So no, I don't have a problem with that.

1560
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:12,199
Speaker 20: Also, it's like you can connect me if I'm wrong.

1561
01:35:12,319 --> 01:35:16,199
Speaker 20: But when Jesus says he's mentioned in the scriptures, that's

1562
01:35:16,279 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 20: not referring to the letters of Pool.

1563
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:23,239
Speaker 3: That's referring to the five bocks on modes.

1564
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:30,039
Speaker 20: And perhaps so my contension with your in interpretation.

1565
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:34,159
Speaker 3: Regarding jail Maia thirty one, is it like in verse thirty.

1566
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 20: One, its you know, mention something that is quite you know,

1567
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:42,319
Speaker 20: fund the mental in the whole sort of aspect of

1568
01:35:42,359 --> 01:35:47,199
Speaker 20: the future. Is it mentioned the House of Israel and

1569
01:35:47,359 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 20: the House of Judah. And I'm sure you're unaware how

1570
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:55,039
Speaker 20: the House of Israel was expelled eight hundred or so

1571
01:35:55,239 --> 01:35:56,159
Speaker 20: years before.

1572
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,560
Speaker 3: Jesus, right give for take.

1573
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:00,680
Speaker 20: So if you want to make the argument that has

1574
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,119
Speaker 20: been fulfilled within the time of Jesus, and how do

1575
01:36:03,159 --> 01:36:05,319
Speaker 20: you reconcile the fact that it mentions the House of

1576
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:10,039
Speaker 20: Israel and the House of Judah when in reality they

1577
01:36:10,079 --> 01:36:12,520
Speaker 20: have not been restored. And this is ever and this

1578
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:16,279
Speaker 20: is evident within jail Maiah itself when he mentioned in

1579
01:36:17,279 --> 01:36:22,159
Speaker 20: jel Mayah thirty verse three, as well as thirty one,

1580
01:36:22,239 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 20: verse ten, as well as Zachariah and Ezekiel, they all

1581
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:29,039
Speaker 20: mentioned the restoration of the House of Israel and the

1582
01:36:29,119 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 20: House of Judah.

1583
01:36:30,199 --> 01:36:32,159
Speaker 1: Right, And I'm familiar with what you're saying. With like

1584
01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:35,279
Speaker 1: the like Ezekiel talks about there will never be any

1585
01:36:35,279 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: more division, that the two will be joined back together, right.

1586
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:40,079
Speaker 3: Right, that's thirty six.

1587
01:36:40,399 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 20: So obviously, when the health of sil and the House

1588
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:48,279
Speaker 20: of Judah are being referenced, do you that's within the

1589
01:36:48,319 --> 01:36:51,039
Speaker 20: scope of the Old Testament. That's always referring to the

1590
01:36:51,079 --> 01:36:54,520
Speaker 20: inhabitants of the House of Israel, of the House of Judah,

1591
01:36:55,119 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 20: or at least the kingdoms.

1592
01:36:57,039 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 3: It's never referring to anyone.

1593
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:03,279
Speaker 20: Other than the health of the and the House of Judah.

1594
01:37:04,359 --> 01:37:08,560
Speaker 1: Well, actually, no, here we would depart because the way

1595
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:12,520
Speaker 1: we interpret that is that in the first century there

1596
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:17,520
Speaker 1: were descendants who were in large part the entirety of

1597
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 1: the Church. So the church in the let's say, I say,

1598
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,520
Speaker 1: after the Death of Christ up to Acts chapter ten,

1599
01:37:25,279 --> 01:37:30,079
Speaker 1: is almost entirely Jewish converts. So we interpret that because

1600
01:37:30,079 --> 01:37:32,319
Speaker 1: if you look at Acts, I understand you don't accept this.

1601
01:37:32,399 --> 01:37:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you this, right. So Ax talks about

1602
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:40,800
Speaker 1: the House uh the Tabernacle of David being rebuilt and

1603
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 1: restructured in the fulfillment of the church. Right.

1604
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 20: But that's my contention is that Noah in Joel Mayo

1605
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,199
Speaker 20: or Noah in any of these puffets of it mentioned

1606
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 20: a replacement to the church, where even a kin to

1607
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 20: the church.

1608
01:37:57,159 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 1: Well, then obviously we're not. It's not a replacement, the fulfillment.

1609
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,239
Speaker 1: So that's two different ideas. So replacement would be like

1610
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:09,279
Speaker 1: the things that came before don't count. That's why it's

1611
01:38:09,279 --> 01:38:12,600
Speaker 1: a fulfillment. So we're it's a totally different paradigm where

1612
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:16,239
Speaker 1: we're saying that all of these prophecies are fulfilled not

1613
01:38:16,359 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: just in the person of Christ, but who is for example,

1614
01:38:19,039 --> 01:38:21,640
Speaker 1: in Isaiah, like Isaiah fifty three, we would say that

1615
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 1: he's the servant, he is Israel, right, so Jesus is

1616
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:27,520
Speaker 1: the person, all right.

1617
01:38:27,359 --> 01:38:31,520
Speaker 20: So if we can stickle one prophecy because to go jumping.

1618
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:34,119
Speaker 1: To Okay, but here's the thing, So I understand what

1619
01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 1: you're saying. But here's the thing about the way a

1620
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 1: lot of prophecies work, and even the way, for example,

1621
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:42,600
Speaker 1: have the Jewish study Bible, it will admit that Messianic

1622
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:46,560
Speaker 1: prophecies are sometimes just sections of a chapter, not the

1623
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 1: entire chapter or the entire book. So not everything in

1624
01:38:50,079 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 1: Jeremiah thirty one is necessarily part of the prediction of

1625
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:57,279
Speaker 1: the New Covenant. Let me give an example. In Isaiah nineteen,

1626
01:38:57,399 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: for example, it says that there will be an all

1627
01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:05,520
Speaker 1: are set up in Egypt, and that Egypt, Syria, and

1628
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 1: Israel all three will be God's footstool and his people. Right,

1629
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:15,520
Speaker 1: So in Isaiah nineteen that didn't all happen in that

1630
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:20,119
Speaker 1: time period. There was a partial fulfillment, which encapsulates the

1631
01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:23,520
Speaker 1: whole chapter. But as far as I understand most, I

1632
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:27,319
Speaker 1: think Jews believe that's also a Messianic fulfillment towards whenever

1633
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:30,640
Speaker 1: the Messiah comes. So in the same way, I would

1634
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 1: say that there was something that occurred at the time

1635
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: of Isaiah nineteen that related to you know, God's people

1636
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 1: and the Syrians and the Egyptians, but the full fulfillment

1637
01:39:41,239 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 1: awaits the Messianic era, which is what we.

1638
01:39:43,399 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 20: Would say when it speaks about Cyrus. That's you know,

1639
01:39:48,159 --> 01:39:52,840
Speaker 20: that's say already occut living like surely off to Isaiah.

1640
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:54,560
Speaker 3: So I do agree what you're.

1641
01:39:54,359 --> 01:39:57,279
Speaker 1: Saying, Okay, but what I'm saying is that. Are you

1642
01:39:57,399 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 1: saying that the Cyrus is something that was only fulfilled

1643
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 1: in the person of Cyrus, or that it also has

1644
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 1: a messianic fulfillment.

1645
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,199
Speaker 20: No, I'm saying it's not, and it's already. But that's

1646
01:40:07,239 --> 01:40:10,279
Speaker 20: not my point of contension. Also in my point of contention,

1647
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:13,840
Speaker 20: my point of contention is that every time the House

1648
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:17,239
Speaker 20: of Israel and the House of Judah is being referenced

1649
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:21,039
Speaker 20: or spoken about, it's always referring to the physical people,

1650
01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:22,159
Speaker 20: like in jel Maya.

1651
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,199
Speaker 3: Or in exactly right and it said they will be.

1652
01:40:26,239 --> 01:40:29,359
Speaker 1: But I just disagree. I disagree that every time it's.

1653
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:32,279
Speaker 3: That on what scriptural basis, within the frame.

1654
01:40:32,119 --> 01:40:36,720
Speaker 1: Of the old because Israel, because Israel was always the

1655
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:40,640
Speaker 1: true believers in God, and not just the physical descendants.

1656
01:40:41,279 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 20: You see, the issue here is that you're bringing external interpretation,

1657
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:46,399
Speaker 20: which is no.

1658
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:48,640
Speaker 1: But see everyone does that. You do the same thing.

1659
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 1: It's just that you have a different period an example.

1660
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 20: So when I say the House of is and the

1661
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 20: House of Judah always in always speaking about the health

1662
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:03,279
Speaker 20: of his in the like house of Truda, what's like

1663
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:07,239
Speaker 20: this is different to what you're doing by by bringing

1664
01:41:07,279 --> 01:41:08,119
Speaker 20: the New Testment.

1665
01:41:10,119 --> 01:41:14,239
Speaker 1: Again, everyone brings their paradigm to any specific text. You

1666
01:41:14,319 --> 01:41:16,279
Speaker 1: do it, I do it. We have different paradigms. So

1667
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 1: what you're calling out is a feature of everybody's world.

1668
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:20,399
Speaker 1: You're not something that's unique to mine.

1669
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:28,319
Speaker 20: Right, That's that's that's I do hear what he's saying.

1670
01:41:28,399 --> 01:41:32,239
Speaker 20: But he says the basis of that your interpretation that

1671
01:41:32,279 --> 01:41:37,359
Speaker 20: you would say is based exclusively from the from the Church.

1672
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:44,600
Speaker 1: Well, again, our paradigms will determine how it's even understood

1673
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:49,079
Speaker 1: back in the old times. So for example, did Abraham

1674
01:41:49,119 --> 01:41:52,039
Speaker 1: believe in a Unitarian deity or did he believe in

1675
01:41:52,079 --> 01:41:56,279
Speaker 1: the Messiah? The Christian arguing but it's part of but

1676
01:41:56,279 --> 01:41:58,640
Speaker 1: but it is, but it's part of my argument. So

1677
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:00,239
Speaker 1: I know you don't believe that. You're not argue in that,

1678
01:42:00,319 --> 01:42:03,560
Speaker 1: but I'm saying that that's part of our paradigm, right.

1679
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:05,159
Speaker 20: Right, But I'm not trying to do that argue every

1680
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 20: aspect within your palad and co perhaps for another time,

1681
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:09,640
Speaker 20: and the difference.

1682
01:42:09,239 --> 01:42:10,840
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't think you were. I've just given

1683
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:13,079
Speaker 1: an example of how I'm.

1684
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 20: All for examples, Like you know, I do like examples,

1685
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:19,840
Speaker 20: and I do that stuff. But look, every time health

1686
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:22,239
Speaker 20: and health of JUDI are a reference.

1687
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:23,680
Speaker 1: Within How do you know that you're just saying that

1688
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 1: that's the case based on your paradigm.

1689
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:27,199
Speaker 3: I read it and every.

1690
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:29,159
Speaker 1: Time Okay, so that's so that's how we do So

1691
01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:31,520
Speaker 1: when I read it, and I can just say every

1692
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:34,079
Speaker 1: time it presents my position, is that how it works?

1693
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 20: You can if it's logical to the context of the

1694
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:39,119
Speaker 20: Old Testament.

1695
01:42:40,039 --> 01:42:43,760
Speaker 1: Well, but that's again gonna depend depend like, give me.

1696
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:46,600
Speaker 3: Some sort of argument against my interpretation.

1697
01:42:46,319 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 1: With well, you just asserted that your interpretation. Yeah, I'm

1698
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 1: giving you an argument. I'm giving you an argument. It's

1699
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 1: an epistemic argument that you just asserted that every time

1700
01:42:56,039 --> 01:42:59,239
Speaker 1: it is your position, and that's because that's what it says,

1701
01:42:59,279 --> 01:43:01,119
Speaker 1: and that's what the old times it says. That's just

1702
01:43:01,199 --> 01:43:03,399
Speaker 1: asserting your position. How do we know that every time

1703
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 1: that's the case, because.

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01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:07,640
Speaker 20: We can look for the context and we can see

1705
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 20: when is that speak to the people?

1706
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 1: Okay? But see if we went with that perspective, then

1707
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 1: messianic prophecies would only be relevant to the immediate context.

1708
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:17,520
Speaker 1: They would never be a future prophecy.

1709
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:20,039
Speaker 3: When did that?

1710
01:43:20,399 --> 01:43:25,560
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying that, So it's a double it's a

1711
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:28,399
Speaker 1: double standard. So if we went with your original point

1712
01:43:28,399 --> 01:43:33,079
Speaker 1: there that it always only means the immediate context, then

1713
01:43:33,159 --> 01:43:35,159
Speaker 1: you could never have a Messianic prophecy.

1714
01:43:35,279 --> 01:43:36,560
Speaker 10: That is a condition.

1715
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 1: No, I know you didn't say that. That's my argument

1716
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:42,079
Speaker 1: and critique of your position.

1717
01:43:43,239 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 3: So wasn't my positioning.

1718
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:52,079
Speaker 1: What you just said? If it was consistent, would then

1719
01:43:52,199 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 1: have to reject the notion that the Messianic prophecies have

1720
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:57,800
Speaker 1: an immediate and a future fulfillment.

1721
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:01,359
Speaker 20: Can you can you can you repeat my statement what

1722
01:44:01,399 --> 01:44:01,760
Speaker 20: I said?

1723
01:44:02,359 --> 01:44:05,199
Speaker 1: You just said house of Israel only refers to the

1724
01:44:05,279 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 1: literal physical house of Israel.

1725
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:09,520
Speaker 20: Right, No, that's not what I said.

1726
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:12,439
Speaker 3: No, I said the House of Israel and the House

1727
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:15,960
Speaker 3: of Judah. Okay, okay, a reference for example.

1728
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 1: Okay, this is sophistry. So you don't want you just

1729
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 1: want to play word games and argue over shibbole.

1730
01:44:21,319 --> 01:44:23,600
Speaker 20: What do you mean I'm playing word games? You you

1731
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 20: just strow argument.

1732
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,359
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a straw man. It was just restay

1733
01:44:27,399 --> 01:44:28,039
Speaker 1: in your position.

1734
01:44:28,199 --> 01:44:31,079
Speaker 20: I'm not trying to said the house of Israel, but

1735
01:44:31,119 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 20: I said house of Israel and the House.

1736
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:34,159
Speaker 3: Of Judah always for example.

1737
01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:36,520
Speaker 1: Okay, it wasn't trying to the position.

1738
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,039
Speaker 20: Okay, that's fine, So let's go back to the coos

1739
01:44:40,079 --> 01:44:45,039
Speaker 20: of this whole. So the prophecies I'm speaking about are

1740
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:50,199
Speaker 20: the restoration of Israel and Judah. And it's so this

1741
01:44:50,279 --> 01:44:55,279
Speaker 20: is what I'm referencing alongside you, my thirty one. So

1742
01:44:55,319 --> 01:44:57,159
Speaker 20: how do you reconsult the fact that the house is

1743
01:44:57,199 --> 01:44:59,119
Speaker 20: of Busbe and the House of Judah has.

1744
01:44:59,000 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 3: Not been brought together?

1745
01:45:00,039 --> 01:45:03,399
Speaker 20: But like Ezekiel said, like zacly Lychet the tenth, how

1746
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:05,760
Speaker 20: do you reconsult the fact that within the timeframe of

1747
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:09,199
Speaker 20: the first century, in fact the opposite happened. They were

1748
01:45:09,199 --> 01:45:11,600
Speaker 20: exiled instead of being returned.

1749
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,159
Speaker 1: Yes, just simply that the House of Israel and the

1750
01:45:14,199 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 1: House of Judah are not, in this case literal and

1751
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:18,720
Speaker 1: strictly only the physical descendants.

1752
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 20: Can you show me that within the Old Testament? Can

1753
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:24,119
Speaker 20: you give me some scriptural support within the Old Testament

1754
01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:24,800
Speaker 20: for them?

1755
01:45:25,039 --> 01:45:28,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the fact that to be a true Israelite means,

1756
01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:31,520
Speaker 1: as Jeremiah says, your heart is circumcised, and that the

1757
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:34,359
Speaker 1: physical flesh circumcision is not what makes you right with God,

1758
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:37,399
Speaker 1: because many people before Abraham were right with God, like

1759
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:39,680
Speaker 1: Noah right.

1760
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,840
Speaker 20: But I'm actually in terms of when the health of

1761
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:42,880
Speaker 20: this or when the house of.

1762
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:46,520
Speaker 1: Judah was no one was no one made right with God?

1763
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 20: Was Noah from the health of Judah or from the

1764
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:50,640
Speaker 20: health of Israel.

1765
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 1: Well, the point is that what makes one right with

1766
01:45:53,039 --> 01:45:55,359
Speaker 1: God is not the biological physical descent.

1767
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 2: That's the point I never said that.

1768
01:45:58,079 --> 01:46:01,239
Speaker 3: I just said and help choosing right.

1769
01:46:01,319 --> 01:46:03,359
Speaker 1: So the point that I'm making is that that shows,

1770
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:06,039
Speaker 1: as Paul argues, that he's correct to say that the

1771
01:46:06,119 --> 01:46:09,560
Speaker 1: true Israel has always been those who are believers in

1772
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:12,600
Speaker 1: God from the heart, and that physical circumcision was a

1773
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 1: time bound external symbol and not what made you right

1774
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:20,760
Speaker 1: with God. So it was it was always the spiritual Israel.

1775
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 20: So when Ezekill, for for example, chapter thirty speaks about

1776
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 20: following the Lord right and wishes in a wish wishes

1777
01:46:32,039 --> 01:46:37,079
Speaker 20: in a reference to Jamia thirty one, right, So, like

1778
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:39,319
Speaker 20: I said, I'm just because yeah.

1779
01:46:39,359 --> 01:46:42,840
Speaker 1: But so so if I can go to rabbinical debates

1780
01:46:43,239 --> 01:46:46,039
Speaker 1: right now on YouTube and I can find rabbis, they

1781
01:46:46,079 --> 01:46:49,199
Speaker 1: admit that because you don't keep the law, because there's

1782
01:46:49,239 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 1: not a temple, that God looks upon your good works,

1783
01:46:53,239 --> 01:46:55,840
Speaker 1: as if that was the keeping of the law, Oh,

1784
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:58,600
Speaker 1: you mean the Christian position. So you see that constantly

1785
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: in the rabbinic Judaism. You guys admit the very principles

1786
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 1: that we have. Another example would be that you guys

1787
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 1: admit that there's two different Messiahs and the talent. There's

1788
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:11,279
Speaker 1: Messiah Ben Joseph and Messiah and David. Those for you.

1789
01:47:11,359 --> 01:47:15,359
Speaker 1: Hold on those, those for you reconcile the text that

1790
01:47:15,399 --> 01:47:18,319
Speaker 1: we bring up about the two comings of the Messiah.

1791
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 1: But what that shows is that at every point you

1792
01:47:21,039 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 1: have a way to just turn it back into not

1793
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:25,560
Speaker 1: recognizing Christ as the Messiah.

1794
01:47:26,359 --> 01:47:29,920
Speaker 3: Okay, you want to be emotional. Was clearly emotional.

1795
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 1: I just made you two arguments. So now you're saying

1796
01:47:32,039 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 1: that I'm making emotional.

1797
01:47:33,319 --> 01:47:36,119
Speaker 3: You haven't even addressed Yeah, my.

1798
01:47:36,199 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 1: Argument was that again. So now you're you're you're Now

1799
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 1: you're getting refuted because I know what's in the talent.

1800
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 1: Now you're calling me emotional when I just made two

1801
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:47,399
Speaker 1: different arguments to you.

1802
01:47:47,399 --> 01:47:49,359
Speaker 3: You haven't even addressed my argument.

1803
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:52,520
Speaker 1: Me address it for the third time that the physical

1804
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:55,680
Speaker 1: dissent was never what made you at Israelite. It was

1805
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:58,640
Speaker 1: always whether you from the heart were circumcised. And so

1806
01:47:59,039 --> 01:48:01,399
Speaker 1: Noah was part of true Israel. That's the argument.

1807
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:08,159
Speaker 20: But that goes against scripture when, for example, I mean

1808
01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:10,239
Speaker 20: I asked you if Noah was righteous, and you ignored

1809
01:48:10,239 --> 01:48:11,560
Speaker 20: it was Noah righteous?

1810
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:13,399
Speaker 1: Was Noah righteous or not?

1811
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:17,199
Speaker 20: I'm not arguing with Noah was righteous?

1812
01:48:17,279 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 1: I arguement.

1813
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:18,520
Speaker 10: I know you're not.

1814
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:23,279
Speaker 1: I am so so the whole chat, dude, nobody's buying

1815
01:48:23,279 --> 01:48:25,079
Speaker 1: your argument. You don't want to address it.

1816
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:27,760
Speaker 20: If I go an argument to the table and you

1817
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:29,680
Speaker 20: want to delve into new you want me.

1818
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:31,600
Speaker 1: To bring the So the fourth time, you want me

1819
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:35,279
Speaker 1: to bring the argument that it was never the physical

1820
01:48:35,319 --> 01:48:37,319
Speaker 1: descent that made you righteous? How about that for the

1821
01:48:37,359 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 1: fourth time?

1822
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:42,239
Speaker 20: So why does the New Testament comb in Master Chapter

1823
01:48:42,279 --> 01:48:47,640
Speaker 20: one that Jesus is semicided through the bloodline of David,

1824
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:48,159
Speaker 20: which is.

1825
01:48:49,039 --> 01:48:51,399
Speaker 1: Ak Yeah, you don't know that. We believe that that

1826
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,239
Speaker 1: was the whole point of him being born of both

1827
01:48:54,319 --> 01:48:58,119
Speaker 1: Adam and Abraham and David is to fulfill those prophecies.

1828
01:48:58,359 --> 01:48:59,520
Speaker 1: So that's not even an argument.

1829
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:03,880
Speaker 20: No, I'm saying that you do believe that physical slush.

1830
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 1: But I didn't say it had no relationship. I said

1831
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:08,720
Speaker 1: had nothing to do ultimately with what made you the

1832
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 1: true Israel. Was Job a part of Israel.

1833
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:16,399
Speaker 3: I'm arguing with that.

1834
01:49:16,439 --> 01:49:18,279
Speaker 1: Okay, so you don't want to So, yeah, you don't

1835
01:49:18,319 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 1: want to address the point. That's the thing.

1836
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:24,279
Speaker 20: Was was Joe from the descendants of the of the

1837
01:49:24,319 --> 01:49:27,199
Speaker 20: twelve Sons of Jacob aka Israel?

1838
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 1: Was Noah part of Israel?

1839
01:49:31,079 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 20: No Noah came God knows how many decades.

1840
01:49:35,199 --> 01:49:39,359
Speaker 1: And so being a biological descendant as Acts fifteen, and

1841
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:41,920
Speaker 1: as Paul argues, is not ultimately what made you at

1842
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:42,520
Speaker 1: true ISRAELI.

1843
01:49:44,199 --> 01:49:46,239
Speaker 3: I could can see that faith is important.

1844
01:49:46,359 --> 01:49:50,359
Speaker 20: I'm not arguing with faith support. I'm arguing that when

1845
01:49:50,359 --> 01:49:53,119
Speaker 20: it speaks about the House of Israel and the House

1846
01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 20: of Judah always references are with the physical.

1847
01:49:56,359 --> 01:49:59,640
Speaker 1: People, that's your presupposition that it always only means the physical.

1848
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 1: And I'm lenging that.

1849
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,000
Speaker 3: Show when it doesn't, then show me time when.

1850
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:06,239
Speaker 1: No I was made righteous with God and so he's

1851
01:50:06,279 --> 01:50:08,880
Speaker 1: part of the heavenly Jerusalem of the true people. Got

1852
01:50:10,319 --> 01:50:14,119
Speaker 1: It's about where Jeremiah himself. Jeremiah himself says that to

1853
01:50:14,279 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 1: be right with God means that you're circumcised in your heart.

1854
01:50:18,279 --> 01:50:18,880
Speaker 1: How about that?

1855
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 3: Is I know? To be right with God?

1856
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:26,199
Speaker 20: I do believe that Gentiles will come to that. No,

1857
01:50:26,319 --> 01:50:29,319
Speaker 20: I'm arguing, I'm arguing with the health of Judah.

1858
01:50:29,399 --> 01:50:33,840
Speaker 1: How was Melchiz a priest of God?

1859
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:35,800
Speaker 3: Yes?

1860
01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:37,079
Speaker 1: How is that?

1861
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 3: Why are we jumping?

1862
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:44,039
Speaker 1: Because because these things disprove your presupposition that every text

1863
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 1: refers to the biological descendants, and I'm giving you multiple

1864
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:51,640
Speaker 1: people who were made right with God and thus constitute

1865
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:53,000
Speaker 1: part of spiritual Israel.

1866
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:56,560
Speaker 3: God, That's not what I'm arguing. I'm not arguing that.

1867
01:50:56,520 --> 01:51:01,319
Speaker 1: You then these things disprove your argument. How does it not?

1868
01:51:02,039 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 20: Because one says the ancestors that I took you out

1869
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:10,039
Speaker 20: to Egypt, none of the no joke.

1870
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:13,760
Speaker 1: You're missing the point. The point is that spiritual Israel.

1871
01:51:15,399 --> 01:51:17,079
Speaker 3: So can you should be wait jail my phoot one?

1872
01:51:17,159 --> 01:51:19,199
Speaker 20: When it says your ancestors that I took you out

1873
01:51:19,239 --> 01:51:20,079
Speaker 20: to Egypt?

1874
01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:22,199
Speaker 1: Can you give me so this is what you do

1875
01:51:22,359 --> 01:51:27,039
Speaker 1: like you don't accept canonical holistic interpretation. You only accept

1876
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:30,640
Speaker 1: what works for you in the immediate, self evident right

1877
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:32,079
Speaker 1: interpretation of the text.

1878
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:35,680
Speaker 2: Right, that's not true because when which.

1879
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:39,960
Speaker 1: Is why, which is why I brought up So you're inconsistent, right,

1880
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:42,279
Speaker 1: because that's when I brought up messianic right, So no,

1881
01:51:43,039 --> 01:51:47,199
Speaker 1: you already admitted. You already admitted that Messianic prophecies can

1882
01:51:47,199 --> 01:51:50,359
Speaker 1: be immediate and future fulfillment. Did you not I.

1883
01:51:50,319 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 20: Said mission prophecies are mythic when so you.

1884
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,560
Speaker 1: Won't answer, Yeah, you won't answer. Clearly, you double talk

1885
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 1: on this. So do they did Cyrus have? Did Cyrus

1886
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:02,279
Speaker 1: text Isaiah have an immedia and a future fulfillment or not?

1887
01:52:04,079 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 3: Immediate?

1888
01:52:06,199 --> 01:52:09,279
Speaker 1: It wasn't a media. It wasn't about it wasn't about Cyrus.

1889
01:52:09,399 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 3: Yes, that's why I said immediate.

1890
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:13,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's not about the Messiah.

1891
01:52:15,159 --> 01:52:18,439
Speaker 3: Because because so it has to.

1892
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 1: This is what I argued ten minutes ago.

1893
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:26,239
Speaker 20: To the son of David to Thomas. Siah is never

1894
01:52:26,399 --> 01:52:28,399
Speaker 20: exclusive to the son of.

1895
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm just asking for a future. So you want to

1896
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:37,279
Speaker 1: address this point which re future the refusion. Yeah, I've

1897
01:52:37,279 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 1: already addressed it five times and you won't address it.

1898
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:40,399
Speaker 1: So I have.

1899
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 10: Wow.

1900
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:51,880
Speaker 1: So he's admitting earlier on that there can be Messianic

1901
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:55,359
Speaker 1: prophecies that have an immediate fulfillment and then they relate

1902
01:52:55,399 --> 01:52:57,359
Speaker 1: to the Messiah in the future. So that's a double

1903
01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:00,439
Speaker 1: principle that I'm talking about. But then when we go

1904
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:04,800
Speaker 1: to his text and his example, there's no double fulfillments.

1905
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:10,399
Speaker 1: That's not allowed. It only refers to the immediate historical case, right,

1906
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:15,159
Speaker 1: And if it only refers to the media historical case,

1907
01:53:15,359 --> 01:53:17,439
Speaker 1: then that was my earlier point that, well, then there's

1908
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:23,119
Speaker 1: no messianic prophecies like the statements about David that also

1909
01:53:23,199 --> 01:53:27,399
Speaker 1: replied to the applied to the Messiah. So it can't

1910
01:53:27,399 --> 01:53:32,600
Speaker 1: be either or, and it can't be both, and except

1911
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:34,520
Speaker 1: for when he wants it to be. So that's a

1912
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:40,960
Speaker 1: double standard. And when I start talking about the other examples,

1913
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:42,520
Speaker 1: what does he do? He says, no, you only can

1914
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:44,560
Speaker 1: only you can only talk about Jeremiah thirty one. You

1915
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:49,520
Speaker 1: can't talk about these other examples or whatever. What's up?

1916
01:54:00,279 --> 01:54:02,039
Speaker 1: Do we even know if that person was Jewish? It

1917
01:54:02,039 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 1: could have been like a he could have been a

1918
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:22,239
Speaker 1: Christian evangelical and who knows, Josh, I mean, I have

1919
01:54:22,319 --> 01:54:25,720
Speaker 1: the Jewish study Bible. It literally says constantly throughout the

1920
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 1: Old Testament when it's a Messianic prophecy, and many of

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Speaker 1: these Messianic prophecies are sections of Psalms, sections of Jeremiah

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Speaker 1: that apply to the future and to the immediate president

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Speaker 1: of a writer. So it's David and it's the Messiah,

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Speaker 1: and David is an image of the Messiah. Right. They

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Speaker 1: even say Jews even think that the Messiah will be

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Speaker 1: a Davidic ruler. So clearly David is a kind of

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Speaker 1: future Messianic leader. Right. So it's a both and, But

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Speaker 1: when we actually go to the various texts, there is

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Speaker 1: no both, and it's only immediate historical literal interpretation. So

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Speaker 1: you see that that Judaism has typically had to do

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Speaker 1: this move where when they argue with a Christian there's

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Speaker 1: only the immediate grammatical historical. But when you go to

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Speaker 1: Jewish exegetes, they believe in the four senses of scripture.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that? It's called part aes p r

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Speaker 1: d S. But they won't argue this way when they're

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Speaker 1: arguing publicly with people. So just like we have the

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Speaker 1: four senses of the texts, the you know, the literal,

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Speaker 1: the allegorical, anagogical, et cetera, they have the exact same

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Speaker 1: thing and they utilize it when they need to for

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Speaker 1: their exegesus see this part ase Jewish hermaeuticts and it's

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Speaker 1: basically the same as what we talk about peshat the

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Speaker 1: simple straightforward meaning remez. They hinted at spiritual meaning, druche drosch,

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Speaker 1: the digging meaning, and then the highest is sewed the

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Speaker 1: secret meaning. Now, that could be cobbilistic stuff, who knows, right,

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Speaker 1: that could go off into that could go off in

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Speaker 1: the directions that we don't agree with. But medieval Judaism

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Speaker 1: even is it's even, this is even I don't mean

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Speaker 1: this is Wikipedia. So it could be complete crap, but

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Speaker 1: it's noting that in medieval Cobbalists like Moses Daily owned

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Speaker 1: they just adopted the fourfold method of medieval Christian exegesus.

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Speaker 1: So the surface, the allegorical, the hidden, the mists serious

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Speaker 1: mystical right, and for those that don't know what I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about, it's just called the fourfold sense. For the Christians,

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Speaker 1: it was the literal, allegorical, the tropological, and the anagogical.

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Speaker 1: These are the four senses that actually you can find it,

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Speaker 1: even going back to Filo and he was influenced by Platonism.

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Speaker 1: You can find the fourfold sense in people like Origin Augustin.

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Speaker 1: A lot of church fathers talk about the fourfold sense.

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Speaker 1: Maximus even talks about it. So so this is what

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Speaker 1: so he's acting like in rabbinical exegesis, there's only the

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Speaker 1: grammatical historical. That's not true. They don't even believe that.

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Speaker 1: So it's not even their position be reconciled. Oh, by

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Speaker 1: the way, I've forgot. I'm at my I'm at this

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Speaker 1: house where I actually have my Jewish study Bible, so

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Speaker 1: I could actually get the Messianic prophecies out. H. I

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Speaker 1: have to find it there it is. What's up? Dude?

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Speaker 1: Are you there? All right? You're not connecting Baron's you're

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Speaker 1: Baron Yogurt.

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Speaker 3: Okay h hello there, yep, heh, how you go?

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Speaker 1: That's up? So just a couple of questions.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, very recently, I've kind of like come.

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Speaker 13: To reject sort of the competence reform position. So now

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Speaker 13: I'm kind of sitting in like a middle ground in

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Speaker 13: between going either towards a more like a like a

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Speaker 13: Latent Flowers provisionist camp or going to Eastern Christianity. So

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Speaker 13: I guess one of my main issues that it always

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Speaker 13: kind of kept me away from Orthodoxy where was was,

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Speaker 13: of course the veneration of icons and saints, particularly the

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Speaker 13: argument that has to do with the progenese. It's being

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Speaker 13: used at the Centate Ecaminical Council and within scriptures for example,

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Speaker 13: and acts when the centurion is vowing to Peter, that's

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Speaker 13: the where it's used there, And of course in Revelation

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Speaker 13: when John is founding down to the Angel. Could you

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Speaker 13: sort of explain, maybe with the Worthodox position on those

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Speaker 13: different uses of prognasios, because I also understand as well

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Speaker 13: that like when Christ says that he will take you

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Speaker 13: kind of enemies of the faith that make them bow

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Speaker 13: down and worship at the feet of the faithful, he

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Speaker 13: uses the same word there too, So I guess I'm

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Speaker 13: kind of mixed up on that.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand your question.

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Speaker 13: What so so, the word progonasios, which is the word

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Speaker 13: that the Seventh Ecumenical Council defines this veneration of that's

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Speaker 13: acceptable to images, is used in multiple areas of scripture,

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Speaker 13: and it seems like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's good, and it seems like.

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Speaker 13: What well, it seems like it's used so, for example,

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Speaker 13: it's used within the s Tuagin version.

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Speaker 2: Of the Second Commandment to.

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Speaker 13: Ben like buying down to idols.

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Speaker 1: Because it's just generic words don't have one reference. It

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Speaker 1: depends on the context. So just because the word you

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Speaker 1: look at the word, and a Protestant idea that I

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Speaker 1: just look up the word in a Greek dictionary and

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Speaker 1: then it tells me what it means in every case. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of situations where a word might have different senses,

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Speaker 1: like the word hypostasis. Sometimes it refers to the nature,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it refers to the person that has the nature.

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Speaker 1: So just because there's a word that's used in one

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Speaker 1: sense or in one way, it doesn't mean that it

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Speaker 1: always has that meaning. So no, I mean bowing down.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say the word bowing. Okay, that'd be like

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Speaker 1: thinking that the word bowingness necessarily means idolatry. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of cases where people bow before rulers or

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Speaker 1: before kings and it's not idolatry.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, right, I think you definitely see that too. I

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Speaker 13: guess it's it's kind of hard to parse out sometimes

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Speaker 13: which which examples I mean, I mean, let me see you,

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Speaker 13: for example, the centurion buying down to Peter. I mean,

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Speaker 13: I can I can understand the argument from Protestants that say, like, well,

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Speaker 13: if you can't do it to actually Peter, why can

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Speaker 13: you do it to an indigent Peter.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I don't know where.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean, why would people people bow down

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Speaker 1: before men all the time in the Bible? What are

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Speaker 1: you talking about?

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Speaker 13: But in that instance and acts, when the centurion bows

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Speaker 13: down to Peter, he's repeat by Peter saying I'm only

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Speaker 13: a man.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about the other examples where Joseph bows

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Speaker 1: before Pharaoh or before Elisha, prostrates before Elijah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of instances of this, know, So do you

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Speaker 1: understand that it's not the external it's not the external action.

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Speaker 1: It's the motivation and intentionality in the heart that constitutes idolatry.

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Speaker 1: So understand all of Israel prostrates before Solomon in the Arc?

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Speaker 1: Was that universal idolatry when they did that?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Well why not if prostrating is what is idolatry?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, okay, I see where you're it'd be more about

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Speaker 13: the disposition of the heart rather than the action itself.

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Speaker 13: I suppose it's what the the position you're expounding.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, idolatry is an action of the heart

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Speaker 1: that's been manifested in some visible way. So it's true that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I might I might bow before an angel,

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Speaker 1: and in my heart I think that the angel is

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Speaker 1: has the divine nature, and that would be what is rebukable,

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Speaker 1: right like when John is told not to worship the angels,

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Speaker 1: right right?

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Speaker 13: Okay, yeah, this isn't another big thing too that I mean,

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Speaker 13: I think you've been bringing up as well that I

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Speaker 13: think the way Protestants work harmonetics is uh, it's it's

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Speaker 13: deeply flats. It's so worried about the meaning of these

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Speaker 13: Greek words and the historical context, and it kind of

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Speaker 13: passes over I think, actually how the.

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Speaker 2: Apostles are doing it.

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Speaker 13: I mean, if you look at for example, this is

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Speaker 13: huge to me reading Stevens Martyrdom, where he's addressing like

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Speaker 13: how Moses killed the slave master as being typological of

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Speaker 13: what God was going to do to Israel. He's making

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Speaker 13: an outcorical.

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Speaker 2: Argument interpretation there.

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Speaker 3: So I just don't understand why.

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Speaker 13: I guess as far as I'm kind of ram a

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Speaker 13: lot about this point, but that's that's a huge issue

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Speaker 13: for me too. It's like, well, maybe maybe the way

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Speaker 13: they're doing hermidics is completely false, but I won't think

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Speaker 13: it too much more time. But what works do you

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Speaker 13: have specifically that would be good on this issue of

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Speaker 13: the Centatacy Medical Council view of iconography, and maybe on

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Speaker 13: biblical hermoneudicts.

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Speaker 1: I mean read St. Theodore or the STUDEI only holy icons,

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Speaker 1: and read John Damascus's on the Holy images, and then

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Speaker 1: read the book Williams and install book on how Orthodox

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Speaker 1: worship is the continuation of the Temple and the synagogue system,

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Speaker 1: and the temple and the synagogue both had icons. I mean,

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Speaker 1: why did God filled up? Why did God put a

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Speaker 1: bunch of images in the temple? If he's an iconoclastic deity.

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Speaker 2: That's true. And of course the baptistry.

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Speaker 1: You're a europe too, Yeah, exactly, thank you for that. Now.

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Speaker 1: I got sidetracked there because I wanted to look up

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Speaker 1: in the Jewish Study Bible, which shouldn't be too controversial,

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Speaker 1: an example of something I'm talking about. And for example,

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Speaker 1: Psalm Too. I think everybody knows that's a Messianic palm.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of obvious one, right, And what do we

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Speaker 1: see in Psalm Too? Well, we see a historical person, David,

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Speaker 1: is this controversial? Do we agree on this?

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Speaker 3: Or?

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Speaker 1: And the notes? I understand that the notes aren't infallible

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Speaker 1: but I mean the notes in the Jewish Study Bible

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Speaker 1: say that when it calls down has anointed, it might

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Speaker 1: refer to Messiah the king. Here the same term is

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Speaker 1: used to refer to the future Messianic ruler, like a

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Speaker 1: Davidic king. The relationship between God and the king is

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Speaker 1: very close to attack. The Lord's anointed is equated with

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Speaker 1: attacking him. The Davidic king was viewed by some as

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Speaker 1: God's earthly representative. So now, wait a minute, is the

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Speaker 1: prophecy about David or the Messiah? Now remember on that

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Speaker 1: God's line of argumentation, can't be the Messiah. It's got

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Speaker 1: to only be David because it's a historic, literal historical.

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Speaker 1: Because his argument was that any time House of Israel

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Speaker 1: and Jacob is used, it only refers to the physical descendants. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we can't think about the immediate historical context and

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Speaker 1: the future spiritual fulfillment because in their own text they

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Speaker 1: do the same thing. They'll say the immediate historical is David,

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Speaker 1: but it's also a reference to the Messiah. Well wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, how do you how come you get to

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Speaker 1: do that? Well, that's because that's that's what the text says.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, well, then then the text says what I say.

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Speaker 1: I mean just saying, well, that's what the text says

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Speaker 1: I mean. And most of the Messianic prophecies operate this way. Well,

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Speaker 1: now I wouldn't say most of the many of them

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Speaker 1: operate where we have something that stated about the time,

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Speaker 1: like what I said about Isaiah nineteen, and then a

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Speaker 1: future fulfillment, which there are. In other words, I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying that they have the exact same principle we do.

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Speaker 1: But then they're saying that you can't do that the

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Speaker 1: burden of Egypt, and then it talks about God's judgment

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Speaker 1: on Egypt. Now that's this is a judgment that is

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Speaker 1: something in Isaiah day right where he's talking about something

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Speaker 1: going on at that time. But there's this fulfillment of

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Speaker 1: a future point where there will be an altar in Egypt.

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Speaker 1: But how as a Jew, could there ever be an

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Speaker 1: altar in Egypt because the only valid place to have

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Speaker 1: an altar is the temple? So how is a Jew

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Speaker 1: going to make sense of this? How is it you

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Speaker 1: going to make sense of gentile priests as Isaiah predicts.

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Speaker 1: It obviously can't be something that was only in the

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Speaker 1: day of Isaiah or right, there's no gentile priest. You

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Speaker 1: can't have an altar because every Jew that would argue,

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Speaker 1: for example, against a Samaritan would say that the only

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Speaker 1: place you could have the temple was in Jerusalem. You

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Speaker 1: can't have your temple in Samaria. Okay, Well, then where

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Speaker 1: does this altar in Egypt come from. You can't have

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Speaker 1: an altar in Egypt. There's no temple in Egypt. So

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Speaker 1: there's an immediate event and then there's a future fulfillment.

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Speaker 1: The future fulfillment makes sense in Christianity to where the

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Speaker 1: worship of the God of Israel goes out through the

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Speaker 1: Church to Egypt. I'm curious what the Jewish Study Bible

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Speaker 1: says about this passage in Isaiah nineteen. Let's see what

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Speaker 1: it says. In that day there will be an altar

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Speaker 1: to the Lord in Egypt. So this is nineteen nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Let's see. Interesting, there's no notes, so you can see

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Speaker 1: for yourself. The verse is Isaiah nineteen nineteen, and the

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Speaker 1: Jewish Study Bible conveniently skips it. You're you're gonna say,

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Speaker 1: I'm making it up. I'll show it to you. Nineteen nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Look at the notes. See it right, there the Jewish

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Speaker 1: Study Bible notes skip Isaiah nineteen nineteen. I wonder why, well,

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Speaker 1: why and how could there ever be an altar in Egypt?

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Speaker 1: To Yahweh? Now on the last maybe they don't skip it.

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Speaker 1: Let me go back to the page before. It says,

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Speaker 1: these passages share a vision of a new world order,

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Speaker 1: and ethnicities will remain distinct, but they will all adopt

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Speaker 1: Monotheism and worship the God of Israel. This refers to

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Speaker 1: Jewish communities in Egypt. So but wait a minute, Jewish

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Speaker 1: communities can't set up an altar outside of Israel. Otherwise

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Speaker 1: you're going to have to admit that the Samaritans also

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Speaker 1: have the worship of God because they can set up

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Speaker 1: altars outside of Israel. Right, But the pastor doesn't address

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Speaker 1: how could there be an altar. It just says that, well,

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Speaker 1: this is just symbolically Jews worshiping in Egypt. So it

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Speaker 1: does comment on the passage, it just wasn't on that page.

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Speaker 1: It was on the page before the Talmud says that

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Speaker 1: this refers to a future prediction of a temple in

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Speaker 1: one sixty BCE, But it says a temple in Egypt.

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Speaker 1: So so you see The point I'm making is that

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Speaker 1: when there's a problem text like that, they'll just say, well,

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Speaker 1: you can't apply that to the future, But then they

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Speaker 1: are allowed to you see SERI fan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hello, can you er?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Are you doing, Matt good? What's up?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: So about that guy you joined a few minutes ago,

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Speaker 15: the Jewish guy, I actually know who he is. He's

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Speaker 15: I've spoken to him on Discord before. And have you

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Speaker 15: heard of speak his corner.

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Speaker 1: In the UK? Yeah, I've heard of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's.

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Speaker 15: Really well known with the Jewish community there and he's

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Speaker 15: been attacked a few times there. Actually you can see

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Speaker 15: the videos of it on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: I wonder.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, usually by by Muslims, like it's nearly always Muslims

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Speaker 15: and Jews, like the Christians generally just stick to themselves.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's who he is. But I was just.

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Speaker 15: I kind of I just wanted to join the call

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Speaker 15: because I wanted to share this story about what happened

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Speaker 15: to me and if you could like comment on it.

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Speaker 1: So story there having that happened.

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Speaker 2: To me and my mum recently.

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Speaker 15: Actually, yes, So my mom worked at a school and

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Speaker 15: when I was at this school, like ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: It's a school for ages four to twelve.

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Speaker 15: It was a totally normal school. Like the behavior of

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Speaker 15: everyone was just perfect. There wasn't no like fighting or

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Speaker 15: anything of that nature, no bad language, just a totally

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Speaker 15: normal school. And since I've left, you know, she's still

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Speaker 15: at the school now, ten years later, and the behavior

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Speaker 15: of all of the kids is like, you know, she

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Speaker 15: described it to me as feral, you know, just totally

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Speaker 15: like bouncing off the walls crazy. And you know, in

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Speaker 15: the last few months alone, she's had kids throw bricks

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Speaker 15: at her, she's had kids bite her, she's had kids

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Speaker 15: like trying and tackle her, she's had one kid trying stab.

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Speaker 10: Her, you know.

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Speaker 15: And and I was looking at this.

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Speaker 2: And it just doesn't feel right.

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Speaker 15: You know, something in the air doesn't feel right with

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Speaker 15: kids today, Like the whole dynamic of of like kids

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Speaker 15: behavior has change.

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Speaker 2: So why is it changed so much?

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Speaker 3: You know? Is it is it diet?

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Speaker 15: Is it well diet like what people are oh diet, Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think it's all the above. Right. So

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Speaker 1: Isaiah says that when things get bad, women and children

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Speaker 1: become your rulers. So women and children rule over you,

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Speaker 1: and they dictate to adults and to men how things go.

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Speaker 1: And that's because the society has completely degenerated. But as

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Speaker 1: to why kids are that way, it's toxic food, toxic culture,

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Speaker 1: toxic parenting, toxic education, it's all of it.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean I've never seen anything like it, you know,

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Speaker 15: in the in the UK now, and if I compare

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Speaker 15: it to America, I don't remember things ever being this bad,

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Speaker 15: like on basically every measurable scale, you know, just the

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Speaker 15: total breakdown of societal trusts compared to like ten years ago.

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Speaker 15: You know, we used to be able to leave our

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Speaker 15: dolls open and stuff, and now we can't leave our

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Speaker 15: door open.

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Speaker 2: Because there's just so much crime. There's so much degenera see,

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Speaker 2: there's so much worry.

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Speaker 15: And you know, with you being an American maybe it's

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Speaker 15: a little bit different, but this is totally alien to

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Speaker 15: us in the UK because we used to have really

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Speaker 15: tight communities, especially in the North of England where I'm from.

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Speaker 15: We had tight communities where people trust each other. You know,

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Speaker 15: basically everybody was a Christian and everyone, you know, not

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Speaker 15: everyone but large contingents went to church and you know,

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Speaker 15: we're celebrating the streets together and all this kind of

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Speaker 15: like romantic idea of a perfect society.

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Speaker 2: Small thing has just broken down them. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: a young lad, you.

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Speaker 15: Know, I'm twenty one years old, and I'm trying to

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Speaker 15: tell my friends about this, and they just don't understand.

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Speaker 15: You know.

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Speaker 2: It feels like I'm almost being gaslighted by them through

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Speaker 2: acknowledging this.

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Speaker 15: And what would you say to somebody like me, he

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Speaker 15: was trying to convince my friends and my people I

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Speaker 15: go to church with, this is you know, serious concern.

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Speaker 2: How would you wake them up to this?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't know if there is any specific

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Speaker 1: secret way to wake them up. I mean I would

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Speaker 1: say you just got to like find people that are

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Speaker 1: open minded and try to talk to them, and if

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Speaker 1: they're not, you just move on. There isn't any like

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Speaker 1: secret way to do it, right.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean fair enough, it's I suppose it's one

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Speaker 15: of the things you just have to persevere with, you know,

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Speaker 15: just just get on with it. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 15: that's basically I wanted to share.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I appreciate the Yeah. Well, I'm sorry it's

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Speaker 1: getting bad there. I mean, you know it sounds crazy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. Yeah, I was looking up some more of

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Speaker 1: these examples. In Isaiah sixty six, for example, you have

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Speaker 1: the statement that there will be gentile priests. How is

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Speaker 1: that possible? Where God says I will take some of

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Speaker 1: these that are brought from amongst the gentiles to be priests,

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Speaker 1: and the Jewish Study Bible admits that this is a

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Speaker 1: departure from the previous.

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Speaker 10: Texts.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Well, it's not a departure if you understand, if

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Speaker 1: you have the Christian interpretation. Right. So here's what the

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Speaker 1: note says. They say gentile priests serving in Jerusalem, a

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Speaker 1: radical departure from numbers which says that only the descendants

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Speaker 1: of Moses brother Aaron can be priests, or it is

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Speaker 1: just Israelites. So even though it says gentiles, well let's

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Speaker 1: just say it say Israelites.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 1: So there's the note. But there's the same text in

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Speaker 1: Isaiah sixty one, which says very clearly, strangers will pastor

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Speaker 1: your flocks, and they will be called priests of the Lord.

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Speaker 1: How could a gentile who's obviously who a stranger is

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Speaker 1: be a pastor and a priest because only a descendant

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Speaker 1: of Moses can be a priest, right, what does the

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Speaker 1: note say? The nations will serve the Jews. The Jews

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Speaker 1: will in turn serve the nations. But the text says

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Speaker 1: that members of the nations will be the priests. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't say that the Jews are the only priests. So

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Speaker 1: here is the note explaining and giving the exact opposite

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Speaker 1: interpretation of what the text says. I remember that guy said,

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Speaker 1: we just go with what the text says. Well, the

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Speaker 1: text here says that Gentiles would be priests, does it not?

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Speaker 1: And then you're the Jewish interpretation of the text says, well,

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Speaker 1: it just means Jews will be priests, but it says

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Speaker 1: that judge all will be taken as priests. How is

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Speaker 1: that possible given Mosaic law and the Jewish interpretation? So

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Speaker 1: you see what they do with the texts. So ironically,

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Speaker 1: they don't even believe what the actual literal meaning of

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Speaker 1: the text says. And that's why Rabbinic Judaism then resorts

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Speaker 1: to all of these wild speculations to make the text

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Speaker 1: say whatever they needed to say at the time. And

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Speaker 1: that's why Rabbinic Judaism doesn't make any sense and has

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Speaker 1: two different Messiahs Messiah Ben Joseph Messiah and David let's

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your devotion and work from Paris, France.

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Speaker 1: I love your impressions. Thank you so much, Bobo ninety

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Speaker 1: five to five dollars. This is a great content. Is

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Speaker 1: always thinking. But but Michael Jaron cz one dollar, God,

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Speaker 1: bless God, bless you. Vladimir Putin three dollars, would you

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Speaker 1: agree that World War Two the Russians did not merely

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Speaker 1: fight for Bolshevism, but for the preservation of Orthodoxy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I imagine many Russians thought that. I mean the Tiny

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Speaker 1: Mustache Men followers actually marched into I think different places

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Speaker 1: like Saint Petersburg, and they took various icons and treasures

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Speaker 1: because they were going to quote preserve them. I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, they were looting, right. So one of the

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Speaker 1: famous icons which ended up at the I think the

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Speaker 1: Oca Cathedral in Chicago, is a famous Russian Orthodox icon

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Speaker 1: that the Tiny Mustache followers tried to steal. And so

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Speaker 1: there's a long history to that. Are the access powers?

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Speaker 1: Were they trying to beget Nietzschean non Orthodox systems. I

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Speaker 1: think that's part of the story. Yeah, I think they

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Speaker 1: were experimenting with different type of power structures. You can

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Speaker 1: see for example, Bertrand Russell, who favored socialism and Marxism.

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Speaker 1: He talks about that he hopes for the success of

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Speaker 1: both Bolshevism and Stalinism. They seem to walk that back

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Speaker 1: later on zalmoxis, if revelation from God stopped after Malachi,

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Speaker 1: why would we include books in the Intertestamental period in

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Speaker 1: the Biblical canonate, Well, we're not. We don't believe revelations

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Speaker 1: stopped in the Intertestamental period. I mean the New Testament

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Speaker 1: cites the deuterocononical books many many times. There's prophecies of

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Speaker 1: Christ in the Book of Wisdom. So sounds like just

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Speaker 1: a Protestant presupposition. John Bullerman ten dollars, Black Hebrew Mennonites

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Speaker 1: are the real Mennonites. That is actually true. Rolf Sax

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Speaker 1: ten dollars give us or dear political take on Ubisoft's

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Speaker 1: Assassin's Creed Black Samurai. That is turning into a diplomatic issue.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about this, but I'm not surprised. But

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Speaker 1: the solution is just to go back to the traditional

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Speaker 1: Black Hebrew Israelite yah Coop theology of me as the

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Speaker 1: actual reincarnation of yah Coop. That's the solution, really, the

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Speaker 1: only solution. I told a five dollars jay. Have you

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Speaker 1: seen all the Protestant channels like Rouselin claiming that the

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Speaker 1: shooting of a police officer is a result of a

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Speaker 1: devil possessing them and the woman rebuking her. Jamie asked

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Speaker 1: me about this, but I have not seen this, so

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it. But I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I would immediately conclude that I told commanding five dollars.

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Speaker 1: Billy is saying true things. Billy who Billy? I overheard

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Speaker 1: this at dinner, Ao Shorty, Oh Billy Carson, Ao Shorty,

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Speaker 1: come over here and get this energy coil for real. Bruh,

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Speaker 1: we're about to take the copper straight off at this frame.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. That was the Iya told Kamani of Iran

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Speaker 1: Tutan five dollars. Brothers are watching Space Jam and they

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Speaker 1: think it's a documentary. Are you saying it's not? Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: Roscoe Rosenberg, ten dollars. Is there anything to the Simpsons

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Speaker 1: and the repeated revelations of the method I would say,

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Speaker 1: if there is anything to it is because Evergreen College

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Speaker 1: has a history of being openly well known connected to

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Speaker 1: the CIA. It's a famously CIA connected college, and I

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Speaker 1: think many of the writers and people from the Simpsons

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Speaker 1: come from Evergreen, So that would be my guess. And

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Speaker 1: then I think a lot of the things are just coincidence.

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Speaker 1: Bobby C five dollars. Is there such thing as a

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Speaker 1: Jew post Christ or are they pagans like Islam? Or

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Speaker 1: is there a more heretical sect or a Christian sect?

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Speaker 1: I think that the New that the Church Fathers and

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Speaker 1: the New Testament still considers Jews to be Jews. So

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Speaker 1: I think this is important because as we think that

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Speaker 1: there is a future conversion of Jews, and that's what

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Speaker 1: we read many prophecies of and that's what many most

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Speaker 1: of the Church Fathers believe in that. If you read

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Speaker 1: John Damascus, he talks about that. If you read the

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Speaker 1: Jordanville publication on Apostasy and Antichrist, it talks about future

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Speaker 1: conversion of the Jews. So if there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: future conversion of the Jews, then obviously there have to

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Speaker 1: still be Jews. So I don't think that they're pagan,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think that rabbinic Judaism is coherent. I

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Speaker 1: I saw some people tweeting the other day about the

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Speaker 1: fact that we can never actually pay back the debt

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Speaker 1: never the actual debt. So there's no way out of this,

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Speaker 1: and that means that eventually this system just can't continue,

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Speaker 1: So some other new system seems to be necessary. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to be Spanish conquistadors floating around on

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Speaker 1: you know, fricking ships like Jack sparrow with giant chests

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Speaker 1: of gold. Okay, we're not going back to sixteen hundreds.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be wonderful if there was some version of

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Speaker 1: digital gold that would work in the digital era? Oh well,

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Speaker 1: there just happens to be that it's called bitcoin, Elliot b.

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Speaker 1: Hello Jay, regarding the juice guy that you debated, there's

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Speaker 1: other stuff in the Talmud. Google Yava moth sixty B

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Speaker 1: and go to verse six.

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Speaker 3: Sixty.

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Speaker 1: All right, well let me look that up. And you

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02:28:27,799 --> 02:28:34,639
Speaker 1: said scroll down to six or what did you say? Six?

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Speaker 1: The Gamara cites another ruling of Rabbi Shiman Binjojai related

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Speaker 1: to the defining of a virgin. Yes, I'm familiar with

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Speaker 1: these texts. They're gonna say that the texts are just debates,

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Speaker 1: Like there's a bunch of rabbinical debates. So I'm familiar

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Speaker 1: with all this. I knew all this stuff in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and six. Dude, this is when I learned all

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Speaker 1: the stuff. So none of that's new to me. Don't

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Speaker 1: try to get me kicked off, her heir. But what

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Speaker 1: the they're going to say is, well, these are just debates,

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Speaker 1: and you'll realize that in rabbinic Judaism. They'll tell you

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Speaker 1: just follow what the rabbi says. So in that system,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter if like the rabbi down the

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Speaker 1: street contradicts your rabbi. In their system, you just follow

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Speaker 1: your local rabbi. You don't worry with all of these

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Speaker 1: conflicting interpretations of all the different texts. So that's what

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02:29:35,680 --> 02:29:39,239
Speaker 1: they're going to say to me. That suggests that, well,

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Speaker 1: then the supposed immediate grammatical historical meaning of the text

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02:29:46,040 --> 02:29:48,479
Speaker 1: doesn't matter anymore. I thought that's what we were getting

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02:29:48,479 --> 02:29:51,840
Speaker 1: from the apologist to guy a minute ago. But wait

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Speaker 1: a minute. If I'm just supposed to follow the local rabbi,

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02:29:55,600 --> 02:29:57,600
Speaker 1: what if he's got it wrong, Well, you don't worry

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Speaker 1: about that. It's not very practical to do that. But

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Speaker 1: then when I go to the rabbinical interpretations, it's all

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Speaker 1: over the place. And they also have the four senses

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02:30:08,200 --> 02:30:09,879
Speaker 1: of the text like we do, but in their four

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Speaker 1: senses it can go off into wild cabbalistic gimachio readings.

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Speaker 1: So how do I know what the right reading of

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02:30:17,159 --> 02:30:19,040
Speaker 1: the text is. I thought it was supposed to be

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02:30:19,399 --> 02:30:26,120
Speaker 1: the easy, easy, simple grammatical historical reading, and that was

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Speaker 1: the point I was trying to get to, the hermeneutic

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Speaker 1: point at the beginning of the debate with that guy

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Speaker 1: traumatized proxy. Ten dollars. Thank you for thinking outside of

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Speaker 1: the box.