WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:10.599 You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen? 2 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:25.839 What? I you? Okay, So I guess we're alive. So 3 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:30.640 this is three Enoch with Robbie Marx continuing a series 4 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:34.280 and of course my boss Nick mister thirty three of 5 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:39.840 the cop age X. Oh uh yeah, we're just uh 6 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:43.119 we were talking a little bit about well, Robbie O 7 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:46.320 is we could let we could record right away pretty 8 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:50.359 much and it would be pretty interesting. I think I 9 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:53.479 brought up the idea of the heck a Lot versus 10 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:57.079 Marcaba literature, and I think that actually brings us into 11 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:00.439 three Enoch really well. So I'm gonna let be like 12 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:07.040 introduce what the book is, how it relates to other 13 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:11.000 two and sort of it's placed in the greater we'll say, 14 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:17.079 Judeo Christian mysticism or like canon. And obviously Nick wants 15 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:20.879 to jump in ken do so so that's very out 16 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:22.640 check for. 17 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:23.319 Sure for sure. 18 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:27.920 So now the third Book of Enoch or Enoch three 19 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:32.920 is the Hebrew Book of Enoch. So this is actually 20 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:38.799 temple literature that claims to be written about one hundred 21 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.680 a d. But the scholars say it's most likely written 22 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:48.920 by highly trained rabbis from between three to four hundred 23 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:54.560 a d. And it's mostly fragments that they've gathered from 24 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:59.560 different sources and kind of seen together. It was in 25 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:05.480 nineteen twenty eight this doctor Hugo Autobird, PhD. Gathered the 26 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:11.599 various fragments, publishing the first full transition of the gathered 27 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:17.080 fragments with the source Hebrew material as far as the 28 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:21.000 actual fragments, and that book actually got kind of and 29 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:25.360 he didn't make very many I've got here somewhere. He 30 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:28.159 only made like a very limited like six or seven 31 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:30.719 of these books, or maybe it was in the teens. 32 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:35.280 But nonetheless, one of them sat on the shelf in 33 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.520 a library in Chicago for years and years and years 34 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:41.000 and nobody even knew it was there, and he kind 35 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:45.120 of traced it down and found this book, this guy Lumpkin, 36 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:50.400 Joseph B. Lumpkin, But he gathered because there was more 37 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.080 fragments that they had found, and then he found this 38 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:57.919 old book from nineteen twenty eight by Autobird and kind 39 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:02.680 of brought that into the modern edition that we have 40 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:06.680 now that is Enoch three. 41 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:14.319 So okay, so let's uh so, in which ways Robbie 42 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:19.800 are is Enoch three related or maybe very dissimilar from 43 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:20.599 the first two. 44 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:26.960 Yeah, I think that these were essentially books that were 45 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:33.319 independently created during different time periods, all based around the 46 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:39.479 character of Enoch that basically show this night vision that 47 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:45.840 Enoch has into him being physically translated into the heavens 48 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.159 and not having to die. So they took that base 49 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:54.879 character and basically you have the you know, the Ethiopic book, 50 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:58.719 which is probably the older than the Slavonic, and this 51 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:04.639 is the Hebrew. And now with this one specifically, it's 52 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:11.919 not specifically about Enoch. It's more about a rabbi. It's 53 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.879 written by a rabbi who became a high priest after 54 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:20.920 he had an ecstatic vision of his ascension into heaven. 55 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.959 So this is Rabbi Ishmael. We're looking at ninety a 56 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:30.399 d to one thirty five AD. But a lot of 57 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.519 people believe that it wasn't written by him. It was 58 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:38.399 written like three hundred years later by other trained rabbis. 59 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.879 And basically it's a pursuit of figural work in the 60 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:46.600 sense that it says it's from a time that it's not, 61 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:49.399 and it says it's by an author that it's not. 62 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:54.000 But this rabbi, he basically, you know, very much like 63 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:58.480 Enoch or the various night journeys we have. You know, 64 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:02.199 through all of the histories, every prophet basically has a 65 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:06.480 night journey. This rabbi, he has a night journey and 66 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:10.000 he goes up into the heavens and basically gets to 67 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:13.800 ask Enoch questions. So that's what the Hebrew Book of 68 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:15.279 Enoch is really all about. 69 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:22.560 Okay, pass gets asking questions. Yeah, yeah, what would you 70 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:24.240 ask him if you could ask an not a question? 71 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:26.040 Ro what would I ask you? 72 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:26.160 Not? 73 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:28.240 Yeah, if you had if you had one question to 74 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.639 ask you, jeez, I put you on the spot down there, 75 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:32.399 and I'm sorry. 76 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:35.279 Yeah, man, I would my stole would probably just leave 77 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:38.000 my body and uh, I would be like on my 78 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.079 face on the floor. I wouldn't be thinking about questions 79 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:48.360 so much, man, you know, I mean the way that 80 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:52.040 they describe this, you know, they're having you know, in 81 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:57.000 some ways, I could compare this to some psychedelic experiences 82 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:00.600 in regard to d MT. But at the same time, 83 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:05.160 these ecstatic kind of profits. You know, we can trace 84 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:10.000 back all through history from the civilian prophecy to the 85 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:15.000 ecstatic Kabbalah to the divine madness of Plato. 86 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:15.680 You know. 87 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:19.160 This is it's something that's been a consistent. 88 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:22.600 Factor in the history that these people have these outer 89 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:29.160 body experiences where they have some significant thing that happens 90 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:31.800 to them in the outer realm and they come back 91 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:34.800 basically with information. 92 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:38.879 Of the you know, the outer realms. 93 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:39.600 You know. 94 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:45.000 So one thing I thought that was really interesting that 95 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.120 Nick asked you that question was because I was thinking, 96 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:50.879 this actually makes sense that it's about a rabbi and 97 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:54.319 not specifically Enoch, because it is the path of the Zodi, 98 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:59.720 the saint, the star, which is that path between your 99 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:03.759 so in netsc. So it is like the star card 100 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:08.439 and you know, and so it's very interesting to me. 101 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:12.079 It's like it's so it's relating that it's the every 102 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:17.199 magician rather than it's not just about some mythical Enoch. 103 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:19.800 It's saying like, you can do this. You can be 104 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:22.720 Adam Cadmon too, right, You just have to like have 105 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.519 a little bit of understanding when you're reading it, not 106 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:29.680 project like, uh, you know how people do their like 107 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:33.120 I need to worship this figure in the text. But no, 108 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:36.279 the text is actually saying no, this is about you. 109 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:40.519 Yes, oh very much, so very much so, and yeah, 110 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:46.079 it's it's just uh, you know, I think that this 111 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:53.279 divine ecstatic experience is a part of the human experience, 112 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:55.879 you know. And what was it Carl Sagan? You know, 113 00:07:55.959 --> 00:08:00.839 he said everyone's a star. So in regard to. 114 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:05.000 The star, what's that every man and woman is a star? 115 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:10.800 Yeah, yeah, exactly, Crowley said, And then you have the 116 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:12.759 astro argentum, you know, the silver star. 117 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:14.439 It's uh yeah. 118 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:17.839 So I think that this, this whole thing is a 119 00:08:17.959 --> 00:08:24.560 natural part of experiencing the divine within the mortal body, 120 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:26.120 within the mortal coil. 121 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.879 You know. I think that's really interesting in terms of 122 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:36.879 the heck a logue versus Markaba mysticism question, like in 123 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:39.360 Buddhism we would say, well, in Tonsic Buddhism, we would 124 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:42.559 say the mind palace is something that you carry with 125 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:46.679 you through time and space, like it is your mind. 126 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:53.000 So the markaba is also you, just as in the 127 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:56.240 more medieval kabala you are the spark. You are the 128 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:59.080 spark that travels through the past. But maybe in the 129 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:05.200 original idea it's more of a it's less agential meaning 130 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:08.960 like you don't you have less agency of less free will. 131 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:13.200 Maybe you're less luciferic, you're not so luminous in and 132 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:17.440 of yourself. You're reliant on the experiences of both gods 133 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:18.039 and demons. 134 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:18.679 Right. 135 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:23.559 Because the timing fits, Robbie, I'm sure you've already noted this, 136 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.720 is that it fits perfectly with the Second Babylonian Exodus. 137 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:28.399 Yeah. 138 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:33.080 And my sort of proposition or something that I've been 139 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:36.919 thinking about or working on speaking about since your first 140 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:40.679 first episode on the show is the idea that this 141 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:46.200 is really a kind of pseudo Zoroastrianism or Zoroastrianism at 142 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:51.159 a schismatic point that the Rabbis, who are high Iq people, 143 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:55.919 because of the memorization and sort of mysticism involved in Judaism, 144 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:59.559 we're able to see the Iranian tree or the Persian 145 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:01.720 tree or whatever you want to call it, and they 146 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:04.480 were able to sort of copy this into what later 147 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:08.399 became like the Zohar and all of these texts. So 148 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:11.000 I think that they're also speaking about like there's an 149 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:15.039 there's sort of a maybe a metaphysics that run through 150 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:17.480 but it doesn't necessarily have to even agree with each other, 151 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:20.320 Like they don't have to be they can be like 152 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:25.080 different factions, different schools, different ideas happening sort of at 153 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:27.200 the same time. And there are different even ways of 154 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:30.039 reading like the three Books of Enoch, just like there 155 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:33.440 are three there are different ways to read the Gnostic texts. 156 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.120 So the Bible, you know, that's right, yeah, And then 157 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:40.799 to some people the Bible is a very Gnostic text 158 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:46.120 in regard to Jesus seeking Sofia, you know. And and 159 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:49.639 you know, when you get into the idea of the 160 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:56.159 star and the connection between the star and the angel 161 00:10:57.159 --> 00:11:00.440 in regard to them being synonymous with the each other, 162 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:04.879 just different words for the same idea. And then you 163 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:10.600 look at the ancient Zorastrianism. Zorastra was the one that 164 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:13.440 came up with the beginning in the end, which is 165 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:17.279 where we get into this in times apocalyptic kind of philosophy. 166 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:22.600 Zorastra was also the same one that said that every 167 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:27.039 person had their own individual angel or quote unquote guardian 168 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:31.559 angel that watched over them, that every town has an angel, 169 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.080 every city has an angel, every country has an angel, 170 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:38.639 every you know. And then you have the world itself 171 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:42.639 with the angel that's over the world, which is Samuel, 172 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:48.559 you know. And but Enoch himself is the lord of 173 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:54.440 the Earth, so he's over Samuel, and he actually pleas 174 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.240 for the earth because he is a human. He is 175 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:03.960 basically the human that's allowed to come into the divine 176 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:10.559 ratio as the witness of humanity, whereas Samuel, you know, 177 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:14.360 the rules kind of passed to him because the humans 178 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:17.039 were so out of control, you know. So you have 179 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:22.480 this dialectic of almost this and and Samuel is in 180 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:26.600 the higher realms of heaven even though he's a fallen angel, 181 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:33.600 and Enoch basically is the human element that pleads for humanity, 182 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:37.480 while Samuel kind of is this kind of more negative 183 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:43.080 entity that's still in the heavens. So it's interesting just 184 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:45.960 the way it all kind of lays out well. 185 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:48.320 And it also goes back to a discussion that you 186 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.240 and I have had that Nick and I have like 187 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.840 basically every show is this kind of dialectical relationship that 188 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:59.159 happens between Gava and Cha said, because that's what Samuel is. 189 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:02.039 He is like the hand of God. He's like stating there, 190 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:06.519 flame shooting out, like you can only temper it with 191 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.720 what with our action in the world, which is supposed 192 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:14.120 to be mercy. So you know, it's it's a really 193 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:17.879 interesting thing because there are clearly are differences of opinion 194 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.840 in how and where you're going on the tree and 195 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:24.960 like where your terminus is. Like some people like we 196 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:27.000 were like Nick asked me on to do a show 197 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:30.440 with Heidi loved was really great, actually, like really phenomenal, 198 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:35.639 I thought, and uh, yeah, and really informative and and 199 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:38.039 so they were. She was talking about how Joseph Smith 200 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:43.039 had like a knife of Mars and a pentacle of Jupiter. 201 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:45.559 And I think it was actually a pentacle that protects 202 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:47.919 against poverty. If I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong, 203 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.200 but I don't think that's what it was, or a 204 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:55.240 protection a pentacle for protection in general, which are also Jubertarian. 205 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:57.559 A lot of people, I mean maybe the three of 206 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:59.399 us know this, but a lot of people don't know 207 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:04.679 that there's like a very ferocious, powerful smiting someone would 208 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:12.279 say element of Jupiter. So it's the sort of extremes 209 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:14.960 of how we view them. So if we say, like O, 210 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.759 Mars is like more molific, more evil, more fiery, but 211 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:22.799 like Niko says, it's just change. It's just change, that's 212 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:25.639 all it is. And uh and and you know you 213 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.360 can drown in water too, so like you can over 214 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:32.399 apply mercy. You can be overmerciful, Yes, that's totally possible, 215 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:35.799 and you can actually cause more suffering. So the idea 216 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:39.919 is to like not be either extreme. Yeah, balance it 217 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:41.519 all out, you know for sure. 218 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:45.679 And that's what the you know, within ourselves, we have 219 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:50.960 to learn to understand these different things and work to 220 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:54.480 balance them within ourselves. And you know, I was talking 221 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:57.919 to this Jewish cat over in port Chester, New York, 222 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:04.960 and he was basically using Kabbala most specifically for his 223 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:11.120 own internal workings and balance, which again coordinate out to 224 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:14.840 the stars within those planetary elements that are incorporated within 225 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:17.120 the different sephara of the tree, you. 226 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:18.600 Know, absolutely. 227 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:19.320 Yeah. 228 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:21.720 And it's also interesting because I was just talking about 229 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:24.840 this this morning, is that how astrology in a tonric 230 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:28.759 way is not astrology about even the stars. It's really 231 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:32.960 an alchemical methodology to like look at the certain inflection 232 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.799 points of karma in your life and then be like, Okay, 233 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:38.440 how can I fix this? Like thing that's not doesn't 234 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:41.559 look great? Like how can I what are my workarounds? 235 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:44.879 What is my like you can say, magical system, like 236 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:47.879 what what what are the specific tools that I can 237 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:51.200 use to you know, fix this thing. So it's very 238 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:56.960 much I would say probably it's interesting that this book 239 00:15:57.039 --> 00:15:59.639 narrates more of the human's journey because there's also this 240 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:06.080 idea in Massionic Judaism that God gave us, gave us 241 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:09.279 like humanity the world, like it is our worst to 242 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.320 do with whatever we want, whether good or bad, like 243 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:14.480 it's only up to our free will sort of right. 244 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.559 Well, and that was when you get in. Even within 245 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:22.919 this text, we see again that the angels, the angelic classes, 246 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:29.720 are very unsatisfied and upset that, you know, God had 247 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:33.679 brought this, this mortal that had been born by a 248 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:38.960 human into the divine higher realms in his physical form, 249 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:41.720 you know, for the night journey, and they're like talking 250 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:45.159 about they can smell the blood of the woman from 251 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:49.279 his birth. They're talking about, you know that basically he's 252 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:54.519 a polluted entity from the earthly realm, and you know, 253 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:58.759 so this is a consistent scene that we see from 254 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:05.920 the Creation in Eden when basically God asks Lucifer to 255 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:10.400 bow down to the newly created man, which was one 256 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:13.319 of the reasons for his fall, to the end of 257 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:17.359 to the end of the the idea of Enoch, where 258 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:22.480 they're still upset and and God basically has to say, 259 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.880 you know, I gave my love to him and you're 260 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:28.599 just gonna have to deal with it. So, you know 261 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:32.640 which led I think, you know, in the beginning to 262 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:35.519 the essential fall of a third of the angels from 263 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.359 the heaven. In regard to the mythology, you know. 264 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:44.359 Well, I think that there's clearly like we were talking 265 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:48.400 about Chariot versus Polace literature. But I also think there's 266 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:51.240 maybe even a third distinction you can make in some 267 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:54.200 of this, which is more of that Luciferian and I'm 268 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:55.920 not using it in like a negative way, but the 269 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.160 one that's relating like the journey of the man. But 270 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:01.200 it's not necessarily the a is the hero. It's more 271 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:03.960 of like that idea that I spoke about the Zadi 272 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:06.720 they have the sort of magician. It's really that's what 273 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:09.920 it is. It's a magician's journey. And so we talked 274 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:13.079 about this in the last episode, like about how Joseph 275 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:17.599 Campbell's monomth doesn't quite fit the magician, right, They never 276 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:20.880 quite fit the magician because we're just too fucked up, 277 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:26.240 we're two, we're too wild, I don't know, now, we 278 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:29.240 don't really fit. So but there is like a story 279 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:33.119 for us and of us. It just is maybe more 280 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.400 trans a little more transgressive like Three Enoch you were saying, 281 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:42.039 is maybe more of the transgressive side of the Three Enochs. 282 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:46.079 I know they're not inherently related, but they have a 283 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:47.559 metatextual relationship. 284 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:53.599 There's definitely some transgressive issues with an Enoch three. 285 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:54.400 And now the Names of Enoch. 286 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:56.720 They call it the third Book of Enoch, but they 287 00:18:56.759 --> 00:19:00.880 also call it the Book of Palaces in relation to 288 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:06.319 Temple literature, you know, so, and it has many you know, 289 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.200 when you get into the Hebrew words, you also have 290 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:13.599 to understand that Hebrew and the structure of the letters. 291 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.279 And the meaning behind the words. 292 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:21.799 Oftentimes a single word will have multiple meanings entailed within it, 293 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:28.960 so within the the transcription, within the translation effort. It's 294 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:33.559 hard to sometimes pin down some of these ideas with 295 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.559 you know, going from Hebrew to English. 296 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:40.160 Yeah, so this is really interesting, Robbie, because something I 297 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:44.000 think about with like Tibetan and Sanskrit is that there's 298 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:46.839 a very simple there's like a lot of people have 299 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:49.640 looked at the similarities between Hebrew and Soundscrit. It's not 300 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:53.559 just me, but maybe less so have looked at the 301 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:58.559 sort of like ways that liturgical or contract Tibetan. So 302 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:02.519 there's more of like a formal how Tibetan is used 303 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:05.960 to translate tontras from the Sanskrit, but sometimes tontos are 304 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:09.279 actually originally written in Tibetan. So there's this idea that 305 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:14.079 maybe you can encapsulate magical knowledge in translate in like 306 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:18.119 in translation through languages that aren't necessarily related by family, 307 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:22.599 if you use secret methodology. Yes, so I kind of 308 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:24.920 think that that I'm already open to that. So but 309 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:27.440 I understand what you're saying. But Teresa asks a really 310 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:29.599 good question in the chat, and I'm not used to 311 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:31.240 going live next, so I'm just going to do a 312 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:32.880 little call lesson. 313 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:34.640 I guess I go for it, please. 314 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:39.400 So, yeah, Gerva is usually associated with red. Is a 315 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:41.720 great color, but it has like a very it's a 316 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:44.359 very orange e red. It's not like a it's not 317 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:47.119 like a scarlet red. It's much more of a it's 318 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:48.759 a funny rat, so it looks like fire. 319 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:52.519 I wouldn't necessarily say it's actually the traditional red people 320 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:53.039 would think of. 321 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:54.079 I would agree with. 322 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:59.039 That, And yeah, so I appreciate that. Nick agrees because 323 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.640 like obviously I to him, but there's a there's a 324 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:06.240 there's a yellow and a gold. Especially in Tantra, we 325 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:08.680 would say there's like a yellow and a gold also 326 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:12.720 kind of quality, maybe a density of it. If you 327 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:15.279 think of it like a jawbreaker with different sort of 328 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.079 crusts that have different colors. That's a probably good way. 329 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:21.440 And then or Russian nesting doll. I've heard other people 330 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:25.079 talk about this metaphor for Kabala is pretty good as well, 331 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:27.920 because you can kind of imagine that dolls is different colors, 332 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:31.240 different weights, they all have different sizes. That's very much 333 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:35.039 like what the zephar are and they all fit into 334 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.960 each other. So there's this idea that each center, like 335 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:41.400 the center center doll the smallest doll, but the densist 336 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:45.359 doll should also be like pristine the quality of ice 337 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:49.640 diamonds or lightning. So this also goes along with the 338 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:53.240 idea of what Robbie was saying. And so this idea 339 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:58.559 of ice diamonds and lightning actually relates to chess sad 340 00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:02.400 or the other pillar, the blue pillar, because that is 341 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:06.319 really the essential color of that pillar is clear. However, 342 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.519 in Jewish mysticism, as well as in TNTRA they express 343 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:14.279 it and the color of turquoise. However, turquoise isn't really turquoise. 344 00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:18.440 It's not really blue. But that's when when it becomes 345 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:21.680 more a hermetic idea, you have to concretize it into reality. 346 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:25.359 Turquoise is not is just a much more uncommon color. 347 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:28.759 People aren't going to always understand that turquoise means clear, 348 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:31.599 so they kind of say that chessad is blue. But 349 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:33.519 I think maybe Nick would agree with this. There's kind 350 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:37.039 of quality of lapis lazula and then there's a quality 351 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:40.400 of turquoise, and both of those are has said. So 352 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:42.920 it's not either or it's kind of like a weird 353 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:45.920 sphere that you can say is blue, but like with gavura, 354 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:49.119 it's not really red. But yeah, that's generally the color 355 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:49.759 people say. 356 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:50.400 Yeah. 357 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:52.599 I mean you also will even get like the blue 358 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:55.960 the green sphere on the bottom going towards chess out 359 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:57.599 on the right pillar, so like you could even see 360 00:22:57.640 --> 00:23:01.359 like what were you saying, turquoise see green and blue 361 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:03.839 and then something that you're actually I have to say, 362 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:06.599 I'm really impressed with the way you know this a lot, 363 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:09.160 because I've noticed it either like when you're on your 364 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:12.200 own posts or your own show. Each sphere does have 365 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.960 four different colors. I always just kind of refer to 366 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.119 the one that is just used on the sphere. You 367 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:21.039 do kind of have notice pay attention to the other ones, 368 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:24.519 and I normally don't notice that stuff. But there is 369 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:27.720 like three other colors besides what's normally used that could 370 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:30.000 be associated with that sphere. So I guess what I'm 371 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:32.000 saying when it comes to symbolism and the cabala, like 372 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:34.440 so many different colors and you could be playing around 373 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:34.680 with it. 374 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:39.480 Well, I think that what hit me, Nick was when 375 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:42.079 we did our show like a million years ago about 376 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:47.920 Pink Floyd. I realized, like when Lisa was talking about synesiesia, 377 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:50.880 I realized that I actually have a little bit of it, 378 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:55.319 and it particularly happens with colors, but not with music. 379 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:59.319 It actually happens with words. So and I feel I've 380 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:01.880 spoken and obviously have had Sashkey on my show a 381 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:05.839 few times. He's a you know, a very advanced qualist 382 00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:08.480 as well as like as a physicist and a mathematician, 383 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.240 so he also has a little bit of this, but 384 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:14.640 his is more musical, whereas mine is more associated with words. 385 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:17.640 But I realized that it probably is a common, maybe 386 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:21.119 a relatively common experience with people who study kabala or 387 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:24.160 contra or magic in just in general, that you'll just 388 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:27.720 start to associate, like maybe you'll see colors like I 389 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:30.119 don't see it all the time, but like, I'm sure 390 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:32.400 this happens for Nick, and I'm sure it happens to Robbie, 391 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:34.000 like because if you look at colors or you're looking 392 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:38.319 at reality all the time, you begin to like, you know, notice, 393 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:42.960 I guess little things. But my what makes me notice 394 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:45.200 the other colors, Nick, is not so much my skill 395 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.440 or anything. I appreciate that you say that, it's really 396 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:53.079 that it's other people who are using kabala in the world. 397 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:57.000 You could say they kind of mix up the colors. 398 00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:01.359 So whenever they do things, they they add the colors 399 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:03.759 in a weird way. I find, Like for me, it's weird. 400 00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:06.319 I find it like it's because it's not book ordered, 401 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:08.640