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Big D, thanks so much for coming.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me on VIC.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Please
give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm originally from Mississippi, the northern part of Mississippi.
Grew up here, lived here basically all my life, with
the exception of the time I spent in the military.
Outdoorsmen like hunt, fish, all those good things. I really
like living where I live. We're in a rural area
and it's really nice. I like to hunt and fish,
like I said, and and it's you know, really conducid
for that. So you know, that's pretty much it. I'm married,
got a few kids, and just like enjoy life.
Speaker 3: Well, as long as you can say that, then it
doesn't get any better. So that's a great thing. And
thank you so much for your service to our country.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You're very welcome.
Speaker 3: I do big do you join the army? In eighty
seven and worked as an MP. But in what capacity.
Speaker 1: Well, when I first got to Europe, I was actually
assigned to the Provost Marshall's office. So usually MP's are
assigned to an MP un it mine was a little different.
I was actually assigned to the Provost Marshal's office and
I worked as a traffic accent investigator as well as
a military police investigator.
Speaker 2: The latter part of my career.
Speaker 3: Sounds like you got into your fear share of interesting things.
And with that in mind, what was the most exciting
thing you did wind up getting into while you're working
as an MP.
Speaker 1: Well, outside of my experience that I'm going to talk about,
you know, one of the things that that was always
fun for me was usually in the October. You know,
they had a lot of fests and I played music
at the time as well, so it was in a
little band, so we were able to play fests and
that was really a lot of fun. It was it
was good downtime, you know, to get out on the
economy as they used to say, and mix with the
mix with the locals and uh so that was a
lot of fun for me.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed doing that.
Speaker 3: Ball I bet you did. And while you're working as
an MP, from what understand, you're working night shift when
you had your dog me an encounter. Did you normally
work the lead shift like that or was that just
a rare thing?
Speaker 2: No, we would we would mix a match, you know.
Speaker 1: It was whatever the needs of the U of the
MP station, the provost Marshal's office, whatever the need was.
I was filling in at night, basically helping the death sergeant.
And if it was slow then I would take a
take a ride through the housing areas, you know, like
on a patrol, just to check things out. So, by happenstance,
I happened to be working that night.
Speaker 3: Luck of the draw. Huh mm hmm, Yeah, i'd say,
I guess you could consider it to be that way.
It's hard to see the whole Your encounter happened in Germany.
What can you tell us about the police where it
happened there?
Speaker 1: Well, I was stationed in Wiesbaden. It's a out maybe
listeners would know. It's probably about thirty minutes from Frankfurt,
just across the Rhine River from Mites in the Rhine
River valley. Really a great place to be stationed as
far as being stationed in Germany, pretty mild climate, you know,
due to the uh the Rhine River, that valley we
were in. I only saw it. I saw it snow once,
So I was pretty fortunate. Like I said, pretty mild,
you know, due to the location of Germany, you know,
on the globe. I really enjoyed the summers, you know,
really really super long days. You know, people in the
northern part of the United States, I understand what I'm
talking about, but I really enjoyed those long summer days.
It was really nice in the summer.
Speaker 3: Sounds like he had a really good assignment.
Speaker 2: There, then, Oh, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: I was very fortunate to be stationed where I was stationed,
you know, with some really good people. I think most
anybody that's that's you know, served in any capacity would
tell you that, you know, you make friends and those
friendships are forever. I've got a buddy that I haven't
seen in person for twenty something, no, thirty something years,
and we can get on the phone and it's just like,
you know, nineteen ninety one again.
Speaker 2: So it's it's it was a good experience for me.
Speaker 3: Well that's great. I'm glad you're still in communication with
that person, and yeah, I'm so glad that that assignment
wound it to be such a good one. That's great, now,
big d. A lot of parts of Germany are pretty open.
Other parts are pretty heavily forested. As far as the
part where you were a sign goes, was it open
or more in the heavily forested side, well, the.
Speaker 1: East bottom the city itself, it was not very open
at all. Now, where the air base was stationed, it
was associated with the access road that would you would
travel to get to the air base. There were fields
on either side, so there was a lot of farming
that went on there. You know, you wouldn't have to
travel very far at all, get out on the economy,
as they say, and you could get into some forested areas.
And you know, I wouldn't say that that particular area
was heavily forced it because there wasn't.
Speaker 3: Mostly it was agriculture, so it was pretty open. That
that's the key. Yeah, yep, Yeah, it must have been
a lot of people listening to the show tonight have
new idea what kind of a negative effect reporting a
dog mean encounter could have for a military career. With
that in mind, please talk us through the ramifications of that, well.
Speaker 1: The ramifications where I didn't say anything about it. I
probably didn't mention it for at least two years, maybe
right before I left. And that was with as a
matter of fact, with my close friend that I was mentioning.
I just kept it to myself. You know, that's not
something particular at that time that I would have been comfortable.
You know, I wouldn't want everybody to know, you know,
being an MP and you know I'm I'm seeing dog men,
it probably wouldn't have been very good for my career,
So I kept that under wraps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't say I'll blame you at all. I
can't from what I understand in Edie one or Eadie too,
you and your stepbrother had an experience one night that
might have been cryptid related. What more can you tell
us about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, Vick, this really didn't come to
mind until later on in life, you know, when you
think back. And it actually started when I kind of
got interested more into the cryptids. And this is long
after I'd gotten back home out of the service. But
we were we were traveling to a pretty rural area,
basically going out to a local swimming hole if you will.
It was a had a boat ramp and some other things,
and it was it was late at night.
Speaker 2: I don't recall the time. It was probably midnight or
after at any rate.
Speaker 1: We decided that we both needed to use the restroom,
so he pulled over and it was I just remember
that night.
Speaker 2: It was pitch black.
Speaker 1: It was and you know, we're way out in the country,
so there aren't any street lights there. You know, there's
no kind of I don't recall the moon at all
because it was just I remember it being pitch black.
So he shut the car off and we got out.
I got on the passer side and him on the
driver's side. And as we were standing there taking care
of our business, I was facing some a wooded area
and we heard something or I heard it, I guess first,
something coming through the woods. At first, I thought, well,
maybe it's a deer, or maybe it's a cow, or
maybe it's this or that. But it continued coming toward us,
and as it was coming toward us, you could hear it.
It was it was intentionally breaking limbs and.
Speaker 2: Picking up speed as it was coming.
Speaker 1: And I asked him, I'm like, do you hear that,
and he's like yeah, and I'm like, what do you
think that is?
Speaker 2: You know, and he didn't know, and I didn't know,
and it just it kept coming.
Speaker 1: So, needless to say, we finished our business and we
got the heck out of there.
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you what it was.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it did sound by peedle and
I've never had anything come through the woods like that intentionally,
I say.
Speaker 2: Intentionally making that much noise.
Speaker 1: Whatever it was had to be big, and it was intentionally,
you know, really breaking limbs. And you know, the only
thing I can say is maybe it was maybe it
wanted to leave, Maybe it was trying to scarce I
don't know, but it if it didn't, it did.
Speaker 2: So we left.
Speaker 1: And you know what's crazy, vic is we really didn't
talk about it after that. It was just one of
those things where we left and and you know, over
the years I kind of forgot about it again until
you know, I started talking about my experience and getting
more involved in encryptis and so on, and you know,
it's one of those things that just kind of came
back to me. So I have no idea what it was,
but it got us on the move for sure.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you don't know what it was. It would
have made that perfectly clear. Yeah, this would have been
a much more intense encounter, so thank goodness for that.
And sure it sounds to me like it was probably
a sasquatch. Again, you never saw what it was, so
we don't know. All we can do is guess. But
as sure does sound like sasquatch behavior to me, so
pretty good money, that's what it was.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, in that particular area that there have
been I don't want to say reports, but my middle son,
he dates a young lady and her family lived in
that area. And this is years later, you know, and
we're talking about this stuff, and and her family readily
admitted it, admitted that they would see you know, sasquatch
out in the field behind their house. So you know,
I don't know. This was without them knowing anything about
my situation. So who knows, man, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyone's guess as good as anyone else's. We're never
going to know. All we can do is guess. Said
all right, big d, please tell us about your encounter. Now,
give us ever last detail it comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, as we've covered I did join the army
in nineteen eighty seven. I spent four years total, three
and a half of those were in VSBAT in Germany.
Of course, that was after my basic and ai T
my Advanced individual training working as an MP. As I said,
you know, I was assigned to the Problished Marshal's office
and it was a it was a great experience, you know.
I think back on it now and you know, it's
kind of tough at the time, but it's never as
bad as you as you think it is at the time.
So at any rate, I've been there a couple of years.
I'm thinking this is probably summer of eighty nine or
ninety or so something like that, and I was working
the graveyard shift, as we talked about, and I'm not
really sure of the time. I'm guessing it was probably
around one am or so something like that. It was
on in the morning, and I was on my way
back to the MP station after going out and patrolling
the housing area off post. I was on a four
lane highway B four or five five to be exact.
So anybody that's ever been there wants to look it up,
they can find it. I was on my way back
and I was coming to the underpass, which the underpass
is actually the bridge that goes over be four or
five five for the access road going back to vis
by an air base. And I know when I say
air base, some people say, well, you were in the Army.
Speaker 2: Well I was.
Speaker 1: We had a patche helicopters and Mohawk reconnaissance planes. I
think earlier in the seventies that had been an air
Force base, but it was an army Army post at
any rate. As I'm coming up to this underpass and
it was kind of lighted, there were some lights as
you would see you know, what intersections or things on
a I'm not going to say it was an interstate
because it wasn't, but it was a four lane, you know,
your standard four lane. Two lanes on either side. I
can't remember the exact direction I was traveling again, traveling
back towards the air base, and as I'm coming to
the underpass, I see something across the other two lanes
on the other side.
Speaker 2: So there was a an.
Speaker 1: On ramp naturally that would it would go from the
access road down to four five five. So there's an incline,
you know, a hill if you will, It comes down
a ditch, and then of course the highway. Then there
was of course a grass meeting in the middle, and
then the two lanes that I'm traveling on, and I
see something that's coming cat. I catch it out of
the corner of my eye, and I can't really tell
what it is.
Speaker 2: I thought maybe it was a deer.
Speaker 1: I really wasn't sure. They had some huge rabbits over there.
I think I told you before, we kind of jokingly
called them Chernobyl rabbits, but they were huge. People in
the South might call them a cane cutter. But at
any rate, I didn't know what it was. So it's coming,
So I start slowing down. I'm in a I'm in
a car, and I see it come down the incline.
I'm not sure if it if it came up out
of the ditch, or if it if it jumped from
the incline, But at any rate, when it jumped, it
jumped to the middle two lanes across from me. So
I'm continuing to slow down, and I really I still
at this point don't have a good a good idea
on it. So I'm continuing to slow down. I'm looking, well,
at this point, this this creature jumps from those middle
two lanes. So I don't really know how to describe
this exactly. But you know bridges, when they're put together,
there's sections and then usually in the middle, in the
middle grass median, you know, there are columns that go
up and there'll be something that the bridge itself sets on,
like a ledge or whatever it is. This thing jumped
from those two from the middle of those two lanes
on the opposite side up to the support underneath right
below the top of this bridge. So it's like right
up under the edge of this bridge. And you know,
I did do some research when you and I talked before.
The minimum in Germany is thirteen feet. I would assume,
with this being a highway, it was probably you know,
higher to the bottom of this bridge, but let's just
say it was at least thirteen feet. So it jumps
from the middle of the two lanes on the opposite
side up to this ledge, if you will. It paused
just for a second, and by this time I'm almost
completely stopped, and I still have no idea what I'm
looking at. As a matter of fact, I still don't
know what I saw, but I want to tell you
about it. It jumped from that ledge down to the
middle two lanes that I'm driving in, maybe just a
hair in a little bit further in the right lane,
if you will. And by this time I'm at a
complete stop. And what I saw was a creature that
was the color of a blue pit bull. It was
larger towards the front than it was in the back.
It was tapered. The rear end of it was lower,
almost like it was like prepared to spring or something
like that, if.
Speaker 2: That makes any sense.
Speaker 1: It did have what appeared to be a maine of
sort basically from that if you can picture this from
the jawline going back, maybe a little heavier down the spine.
And it was hair, and and it was pretty long.
I can't tell you how long, but you know, five
six inches long. But as it worked its way toward
the rear of the animal, it got shorter and shorter
and shorter. So probably by the time it got to
about the bottom of the ribcage or so, it was
like short hair like you would see on a on
a pit bull or or or a dog like that.
You know, it had a face, and I remember the
profile more than anything. It was kind of like a shepherd,
you know, I would have, you know, more like a
German shepherd or a Melanoi or something like that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The snout wasn't extremely long, but it was out there.
It reminded me of a shepherd, you know, it had
of course, the ears were straight up like a like
shepherds have years. They weren't extremely long. This thing paused
when it hit when it hit the pavement, it paused
and it turned and it looked at me for I
don't know, you know, I think back on it now,
it seems like, you know, several seconds, but I'm sure
it was just a couple of seconds. I don't I
don't recall any eye shine. I didn't see any any
any color in the eyes, you know. All I can
remember it was just dark. I really don't recast any
teeth or anything like that. The muzzle, you know, it was,
it was dark from the front. When it looked at me,
it paused for just a second and then it jumped
the rest of the way. Now here's what I want.
I add that the there was a turning lane that
you would get into that was the clover lease that
would take you around to get on the bridge. Right,
So Essentially, what you had was three three lanes wide,
if you will, You had a turning you know, the
turning lade or merging lane.
Speaker 2: Or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: This thing jumped and it cleared all that and there
was some tall i don't know, sage grass, whatever you
want to call it.
Speaker 2: It was fairly tall. Like I said, it was sometime
in the summer, and it was gone. I did have lights,
exterior lights on the vehicle.
Speaker 1: I tried to take those lights and shine into the grass,
you know, to try and see if I could find
this thing to see, you know, what it was. You know,
I can't say that I was I can't say that
it scared me because I really didn't know what I
was looking at. Maybe I was just, you know, too dumb.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But I did have a forty five and I racked
around and I laid I laid it on the seat
and I kind of slowly went around and I'm trying
to look, and you know, then at some point I said,
you know, I don't know that even if something did
come at me, I would have enough to slow it down,
because I don't know what it was. Obviously, it was
very athletic, if nothing else. I did forget to mention
the build of it. You know, it was fairly muscular.
You really couldn't tell toward the head, but the you know,
the the rear end of it, you could. You could
plainly see that it had that had very developed leg muscles,
if you will. Nothing nothing gaudy, but you could tell
it was a a very you know, athletically built creature,
if you will. At any rate, I made the loop
and I went hit the access road and I went
back to the air base. I went to the MP
station and I never said a word. And that was uh,
pretty much it.
Speaker 3: You never said a word, But was it killing you
not too? Did you want to tell people?
Speaker 2: Oh? I did because I wanted feedback. You know, I'm in.
Speaker 1: Essentially, I'm in the old country, you know. But but
you know, back then, you know, we didn't have Internet.
You couldn't you couldn't google pictures, you couldn't. So it's
not like I would have really had to have gone
to a lot of trouble to try and research this,
and that's the time I didn't. And they're really I
just really didn't have that available to me. But yeah,
I mean, I wanted to talk about it, but at
the same time I was concerned, you know, I didn't
want to. You know, I still to this day I
tell people if they ask, you know, and we talk
about things, you know, if I'm with a group of
people or whatever and we're talking about weird encounters or whatever,
and I bring it up, and people still to this day,
you know, they're like, you know, you're crazy, or you
know you saw whatever. You know, they try and they
try and make up things that maybe I saw. And again,
I don't know what it was, vic, I just know
what it wasn't. And and the reason I say I
know what it wasn't because I've never seen a dog.
I've never seen a dog that could make a jump
two jumps like that, like that creature made, you know,
And I think I told you before. Had this thing
just walked across the road in front of me, I
might not have even noticed anything particular about it because
it would have looked like a dog. You know, it
was probably I'm guessing one hundred and fifty two hundred pounds.
You know, I've had some fairly large dogs as pets,
and I'm just guessing.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't get out and I didn't I
didn't try and weigh it or anything. But you know,
you can never tell with things that are super muscular.
But and again, I don't know how much of what
I was seeing toward the toward the upper part, the
you know, the upper part, the shoulders and everything, it
was a good bit larger. But I don't know how
much of that was hair and how much was muscle.
I don't know, Like I said, I just know that
it did taper from the shoulders back from the actually
from the job on his back, you know, the hair
and the way everything flowed backwards or down toward its
rear end.
Speaker 2: I think I told you I don't recall a tail.
You know.
Speaker 1: I've tried to convince myself over the years that it
had a tail, or maybe it had a tail, but
I don't remember seeing a tail at all, you know,
and if it had a thin tail, I might have
seen it anyway, But.
Speaker 2: I don't recall a tail. You know. It was just
a very strange encounter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like it was really strange. How about
a mean, did you ever see one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the way the hair was it was
kind of like a It wasn't really like a line's
main per se. It was a similar you know. That's
the only way I would describe it as a maine.
You know, the way the hair started, you know, from
the jaws up to like behind the ears, and kind
of worked its way down toward It's like I said,
it kind of stopped around the ribcage, right at the
lower part of the rib cage. And I'm guessing that
that's kind of where it stopped based on how I
think it was, how it was built. And again it
was and it seemed to be heavier or thicker or
I don't know the exact word for it, but right
down the spine, it seemed to be kind of heavier
in it, like from the spine around to the sides,
you know, it kind of it seemed like the spine
where it ran down the spine was the thickest part,
and as it ran over the animal and down around
the sides, it kind of lightened up. So like even
down kind of towards the belly, you know, it really
didn't have it so if you will underneath maybe down
to the chest, but then on the sides down to
like below the rib cage.
Speaker 3: I can only imagine the thoughts it must have been
going through your head.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know, Vick, I'll be honest, I
didn't at the time. It scares me more now to
think about about it than it did at the time
because I couldn't explain it. I was trying to figure
out what it was, and again it didn't. It didn't
do anything to act aggressively toward me or you know,
it was just trying to get across the across the highway.
So you know, I think when you and I talked before,
or trying to trying to guess on the side if
I believe that if it's if it had stood up
on its on its hind legs, based on the length,
it would have probably been around six feet tall to
the top of the head, probably based on the lengths.
Speaker 3: Of it, so not all that big then, but still
big enough to get your motor running.
Speaker 2: You better believe it.
Speaker 3: I bet it did. You saw it at the perfect
angle to be able to answer to this question. As
far as the length of its torso goes, Did it
seem to have a disproportionately long torso or would you
describe its torso as being proportionate in length to the
rest of its body.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that it was proportionate at all.
If if based on the way, based on the way
it crouched on the highway, to me, it seemed like
maybe the from the the upper portion of its body,
the rib cage may have been a little bit longer
out of proportion. Maybe, but you know, it was kind
of hard to tell with the way I had crouched down,
you know, And I'm guessing on the heights based on
the legs that I saw and the way the legs
were were folded up, you know what I mean. It was,
but I would say it was probably more if it
was out of proportion, it would have been more toward
the chest, the chest down to the stomach maybe, or
the neck down to the stomach. You know, it was
pretty pretty barrel chest as I remember, And of course
some of that could have been it could have been hair.
Speaker 2: You know. It was difficult.
Speaker 3: Got to give it to you a big d being
an MP or a trained observer, and that definitely shows
you did a great job noticing all these details. When
you saw it jump from the middle of those two
leans up to that ledge and then back down. It
sounds to me like no animal on earth could have
done those things? Is that accurate?
Speaker 2: None?
Speaker 1: None that I'm aware of that that are built that
looked like that creature.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe if you had a some sort of
chimpanzee or monkey, maybe, but it didn't look like that.
It looked like a It looked like some sort of canine.
Speaker 2: And I don't know.
Speaker 3: If any of that can do that, vic, I don't
either from listening to you describe what you saw. With
that in mind, though, when you consider what it did
with those jumps, do you think that means it must
have been a spiritual being or do you think it
was still just a flesh and blood with incredible abilities?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I believe it was flesh and blood. I mean it was.
It was solid. You know, There's there was nothing that
I saw to indicate to me that it would have
been anything other than flesh and blood.
Speaker 3: That's fair enough. When it wound up turning and looking
at you, did it seem to have an evil nature
to it? Or a neutral one?
Speaker 2: You know, I would guess neutral to annoyed, if that
makes sense. It I didn't.
Speaker 1: I never I never picked up on anything evil, And
maybe that's why I was too dumb to be afraid.
I don't know, but it was almost like it was
more annoyed than anything. And that's just me picking just
going from the body language, you know, the facial There
were no facial expressions or anything like that, but just
just the way it looked at me.
Speaker 2: It just seemed annoyed, if anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's part for the coors. What kind of a
car were in that night?
Speaker 2: I was in an old Chrysler K car.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember those or not, but
it was the only one that we had in the fleet,
and it was, uh, it was a piece of junk,
but it was an old Chrysler K car, golden color.
Speaker 3: I'll never forget it. Oh boy, Yeah, I know what
you're talking about. Those cars they used to drive. One
didn't one, but yeah, I drove one. Bill was summertime.
Did you have the windows down?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I did not believe it or not that it wasn't
It wasn't very warm that night. Now, I did roll
the window down. It had electric windows, and I did
roll the passenger glass down, the window down, you know,
trying to get a better view, trying to see if
that would help me. But it did not, So the
windows were not down. But I did roll the passenger
glass down when I was trying to after it jumped
over into the grass, trying to see it.
Speaker 3: After you did roll that passenger window down, did you
wind up hearing anything or was it silent?
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything. I didn't smell anything, you know,
I didn't even see it. Like I said, this grass
was fairly tall, you know, like sage grass.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's probably I don't know feet maybe tall,
you know.
Speaker 1: You know, it gets in the summertime on the sides
of roads and things if they don't keep it trimmed.
And I didn't see, you know, because I'm looking to
see if I can see the grass moving or anything
where this thing is going, and I didn't see anything.
Speaker 2: It was gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you took in a lot of good details.
Hats off to you for that. After I jumped from
that ledge, you said that you stopped. How far did
you stop from it?
Speaker 1: Though I was I was pretty close, if I had
to guess, maybe maybe eight to ten feet maybe, uh,
you know, I'm guessing. And that's from the front of
the vehicle, so you know, somewhere along in there and
let's just say, let's just say ten ten feet or so.
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, that's too close for a comfort. If it
was that close to you when you put that passenger
window down, didn't you have concerns about it coming around
UD tried to get it you or was that just
not a concern.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, like I said, I pulled my forty
five and I laid it, I jacked around, I laid
it on the seat next to me, and I didn't
think about it until after i'd done it. And you know,
I think I told you kind of jokingly when we
talked before though myself. You know, this is the way
people get killed in R movies. You know, they're trying
to figure out what this thing is and it gets them.
And honestly, that's what that's what motivated me to roll
the window up and get on back to get them back.
Speaker 2: To the MP station, roll them up.
Speaker 3: I didn't blame you, I really don't. How would you
describe its leg structure?
Speaker 1: Well, the front legs, I couldn't see a ton because
of the there was hair kind of hanging down and
I couldn't tell you if it had hands or paws,
I really don't know, but the rear legs, it was squatted.
And you know, after you and I talked, I spent
a lot of time looking at I have dogs, and
I was looking at them and you know, just just h.
Speaker 2: They had the mass.
Speaker 1: They had the mass like like human legs, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2: It had it had like thighs. It didn't have.
Speaker 1: Your standard even even with a large muscular dog, you know,
they don't have thighs like humans. And this thing, the
way it was squatted, it had thighs kind of.
Speaker 2: Like a human.
Speaker 1: And and that's really the thing that I remember. And
the muscle, you know, and I could see the muscle
in its in its rear end. You know, it was
just extremely extremely muscular, like real tight skin and you could.
Speaker 2: Just you could just see the muscles.
Speaker 1: And so those definitely did not look like something that
that you would see on a on a on your
standard canine, you know, woolf a regardless.
Speaker 2: You know, it was just, uh, I just remember how
muscular they were.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that's a sight you're never going to forget.
That's a given. And if it was that close to
the front of that key, car. It was nighttime, so
you obviously had the headlights on, and you said if
it would have stood up, it would have been about
six feet tall or so. Does that mean that it
was just being blasted by the headlights, totally lit up
right in front of you.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, But there.
Speaker 1: Was also of course, now this is back that car
was probably I don't know what your molle it was.
I don't remember when they made the K cars last.
But you know, the lights, headlights back then weren't near
what they are now. And plus there was also ambient
light coming from lights that were you know, around the
around the entrance and around that bridge, if you will.
They weren't super bright. But I don't know about being blasted,
you know, I was, honestly, I was. I was focusing
so much on the on the build and the animal itself,
trying to figure out what it was that I honestly,
I didn't think a lot about that at the time.
You know, I'm just guessing based on how long, how
long it was, and how long I believe the legs were. Now,
going back to your original question about you know, the
torso the legs may have been longer, but I don't
know that I just know that they seemed to be
kind of folded up, you know, because it was squatted again,
like it was like it was loading up to spring
if if you will, if that makes sense, it was.
It was really squatted really low in the back. And
that's what I remember that in the in the legs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, like I said, you did an amazing job
noticing all these details. You really did. And yeah, those
headlights on key cars they were horrible, they really were.
So Yeah, if you could get enough light out of
them to read by at nighttime, you're doing pretty good.
So I understand, Yeah, I do. Where it's ear sitting
on top of its head or on.
Speaker 1: The side, they were they were on top of its head,
erect like a you know, again, it looked like a
To me, it looked like a shepherd, you know, a
German shepherd or something from the from the side, and.
Speaker 2: Then when it looked at me.
Speaker 1: I honestly don't remember the placement of the ears, but
based on what I can remember from the profile, they
were they were on top of the head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds from what you describe it, it sounds
like it definitely was a canine type dog men listening
to describe the ear placement and how its legs looked. Yeah,
that's what it must have been. Now, this might sound
like a strange question, and I guess it is, but
a lot of eyewitnesses report when they have a good
look at a dog men and a close range the
way you were, then notice that it's kind of shaking.
Isn't the right word, but it kind of it kind
of vibrates almost it has a hard time holding still.
It kind of fidgets, kind of like an addict would,
if I'm being clear about that that description. Did this
one look that way? Did it seem to twitch and
fidget kind of like an addict? Or was it rock steady?
Speaker 1: No, as I recall, it was rock steady. But again
from the first jump to under the bridge, you know,
on the ledge. From the first jump under the ledge,
it only paused for maybe I don't know, maybe two seconds.
Maybe it was quick. And then when it jumped down
in front of me, you know, it was only just
I don't know, a few seconds. You know, it seemed longer,
but it was only just you know a handful of
seconds and it was gone. So I really didn't notice
if it was you know, the only thing I did noticed,
like I told you, was when it did land, it
was it was in ready to go mode. In other words,
it had its rear in and loaded up.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It wasn't it wasn't going
to be there long.
Speaker 3: I do know what you mean. I do. How remote
was that place where this happened.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: There really wasn't much around the air base itself. Off
of B four five five, you know, you could get
out and there were some houses here and there, but
like I said, it was primarily fields, particularly once you
got across the bridge going to on the access road
going toward the airbase, and I don't know how many acres,
but it was, you know, as far as you could see.
I mean, and I don't even know what they would grow,
but huge fields where they would grow crops all the
way down all the way down to the air base.
And as a matter of fact, there were a lot
that were around the air base because when we would
do pt there was a road that went around the
outside of the airbase and that's where we would run. So,
you know, I don't know, there was probably nothing within
oh my goodness, probably at least five miles at least,
if not more, you know, within the right outside the
perimeter of the air base itself, other than other than fields,
you know, agriculture.
Speaker 3: Sounds like big country, it does. Did you ever consider
the possibility it wasn't to loan when all this was
going on? Did you keep an eye out behind you?
Speaker 2: I did not. I never.
Speaker 1: I never thought about that. I probably, I guess I
should have, But no, I did not. I guess that's
the one I should have been worried about. If it
had if it had a buddy with it.
Speaker 3: Well, if it had a buddy, it could have gotten
if it wanted to. The one in front of you
could have gotten if it wanted to. But I just
wasn't on the list of things that wanted to do. Apparently,
Thank goodness for that. Yeah, did you ever see any
claws on it?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't recall seeing any claws, you know. I wish,
I wish now i'd i'd have paid even you know,
uh more attention to all the details. But again, I
don't know if if I'm assuming that the that the
rear based on the shape and everything that were kind
of like you know, regular canine type. Pause, if you will.
But the front I have no idea of, Vick. I
don't know if it had hands or pause or what
it had.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's all right. You can only notice so much.
And like I told you, you did a great job
noticing what you did. Did it have a kind of
a hunch.
Speaker 2: To it's back though, well, you know I think that
it did.
Speaker 1: But again, the way the hair, the way the hair
kind of ran down round down its spine, you know
that it had that ridge. It could have, but I
can't say for certain that it did. Now did it
kind of have that appearance, yes, but again it could
have been the hair that was part of the main,
if you will, that was running down its spine, I
can't say for shirtain vic.
Speaker 3: Oh that's all right. Like I said, you saw a
lot of details. Now, this one was small as dog
men go. A bigger one at twelve footer, for example,
can have hens as big as a trash can lead.
But you didn't see its claws. But as far as
his hands go or went, do this seem to be
in proportion size wise to its body or disproportionately large?
Speaker 2: You know, I can't. I can't recall.
Speaker 1: I don't recall I don't recall seeing any pause or
hands at all, so I really can't. I can't speak
to that, you know, after I've thought about it it
part of me has to believe that it had to
have some way to grab on when it jumped, you know,
underneath that bridge, up on that ledge, But I can't
say that for certain. I just don't recall. I don't
recall seeing that I was. I guess I was too
busy looking at the rest of it, you know. And
part of it too, may have been because of the proximity,
you know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and I guess we recreate it,
but I don't know if the angle was good for that.
Speaker 2: But I just I don't recall.
Speaker 3: That's one of the funny things about having a dog
mean an encounter. It's a lot easier to those details
if they're further away than if they're eight ten feet
from the news of your car. It does make a
big difference. Yeah, did having that encounter compromise your ability
to function effectively as an MP? I'm sure a common
part of your job as being an MP was to
work alone without anyone else around, wasn't it?
Speaker 2: It was, but you know, not really honestly, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't talk about it, so I kind of, I guess,
kind of put it in the back of my mind.
Speaker 2: And I just I just didn't think about it that much.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I didn't want to. I don't know,
I just didn't dwell on it because there was no
sense in it, you know, I didn't. I guess at
the time, I didn't feel like i'd get any resolutions,
so I just I tried to put it out of
the back of my mind. And I guess you have
a false sense of security too, you know, because whenever
I was on duty, I always had a firearm, you know,
whatever that means.
Speaker 2: But no, it really didn't. It really didn't affect me.
Speaker 1: And and the only thing I can tell is is
I guess because I was so astounded at what I'd seen,
because I didn't know what it was. And to this day,
I mean, you know, I can only assume that it
was a dog man based on you know, all this,
all these stories and encounters I've heard. You know, I've
told you I listened to your podcast all the time,
and which great, by the way, thank you for doing that.
Speaker 2: And it's just.
Speaker 1: You know, I just I didn't really think of it
as a threat, if you will. And then you know, honestly,
when I when I came home, I got out in
ninety one, at the end of ninety one, I really
didn't think too much about it because that's the old country,
you know, that's you know, based on some of the
things I've read, you know, you kind of expect that,
I guess, if that makes sense, that sounds crazy, I
guess too, but you know, that's the old country, you know,
being in Germany and Europe, and you know, that's where
all these all of these stories come from.
Speaker 2: Originally, I guess from.
Speaker 1: You know, people people seeing creatures like this, you know,
particularly dog men wear well was whatever. So I kind
of put it out of my mind, you know, until
I kind of got interested in cryptids and I started
listening to podcasts and YouTube and watching you know, videos
on YouTube and things, things and seeing.
Speaker 2: Initially it was Bigfoot, and then you know.
Speaker 1: Dog Man came into play, and it's like, holy caw,
you know they're here too. And I really wouldn't have
thought about that. I would have thought about maybe Bigfoot,
but not dog Man. But that's not the case. Apparently,
they're they're here in the States as.
Speaker 3: Well, that they are big time, But yeah, they're all
over the place, they really are. Did you ever have
any concerns that by not telling anyone about that experience,
that you just might be policing others in danger?
Speaker 1: You know, I did not, And I don't know if
it's because I didn't feel threatened when it happened, you know,
I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm basing that on experience.
But again, if I've told somebody, I don't know, I
don't know that anybody would have believed me anyway, So
it would have been putting myself out there, you know,
for ridicule and whatever. You know, maybe if I'd gone
out on the German economy and spoken with some people,
maybe I would have got a different a different result,
you know, But I never honestly, I never thought about
that either. So honestly, I didn't think about that big.
I guess that's shame on me for not doing that,
But I guess maybe because I didn't feel threatened when
it happened, you know, I didn't really feel threatened, so
I know that never entered my mind.
Speaker 3: No, that's not shame on you at all. Like you said,
if you would have told people, they wouldn't have believed you.
It just would have come back to haunt you. So
I don't blame you for not telling them. You said
that you didn't dwell on your encounter, But after seeing it,
did you wind up seeing dog men behind every tree
while you're on patrol alone or did you really take
that experience and stride and not have that problem.
Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen anything like that since.
Speaker 1: You know, as you and I discussed, once I got
once I got home, and particularly after I started getting
more interested in cryptids and things like that, I was
I was more wary in the woods when i'd go
deer hunting or something like that. It uh, it makes
you think, you know, the things that go bump in
the night. But uh, that was the only issue that
I ever had, was you know, maybe thinking about those things,
you know, when you're when you're going in at old
dark thirty, you know, thirty forty five minutes before first light.
Speaker 2: You know, it's tough to see.
Speaker 1: So but no, I really, I really put it out
of my mind when I was when I was still
in the service. I just you know, I can't really
explain to you why other than I just didn't talk
about it, and you know, I just put it out
of my mind. And as I again, as I got
more into being interested in cryptids and things, that's really
when I started thinking about it more and talking.
Speaker 2: About it more with folks.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've heard some strange tales, you know,
even from around where I live, about things that people
have seen and heard and things like that. And so
there are some strange things, and there are people that
see and hear things, and I know that, and I
think I told you, you know, it's it's like whether
it's you know, like with Bigfoot, you know, Sasquatch.
Speaker 2: I'm a believer.
Speaker 1: I'm not a knower, but when it comes to dog man,
that type cryptid, I'm a knower.
Speaker 2: And if those things exist, then by all means absolutely
there should there are other cryptids out there, whether it
be sasquatch or whatever.
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, yeah, there sure are. The problem is what
isn't out there? If dog men could be out there,
what can't be.
Speaker 1: That's true, That's that's very very true. Makes you wonder,
makes makes you think about.
Speaker 3: Things, you know, it really does. Yeah, that's not a
comforting thought either, do you wear that encounter as a
badge of honor or do you wish it never happened?
Speaker 2: Ah, I don't know that. I wear it as a
badge of honor, but I don't. I don't regret it.
I mean, I've never had any.
Speaker 1: Like some people, I've never had any really negative effects
from it, whether it be from talking to people or
psychologically or or any of that. So so for me,
you know, I chalk it up as to one of
a crazy experience I had in my life. But again
not discounting that, I know that it could have been
a lot different. It could have it could have been
it could have been really bad, and uh, you know,
thank goodness it wasn't.
Speaker 3: That's a really good way to look at it. And
you're right, it could have been very bad. But that's
how most of these encounters play out. They've got every
opportunity to harm us, but they don't. Again, I've said
it a thousand times. I'm never going to say that
these guys never do hurt people, because they do, But
it definitely does seem like by far and away, in
most cases they don't, and thank goodness for that. In
what ways do you think you're different today? Big d
compared to the man that you'd be if you never
would have had that experience.
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, I think that if I had never had
that experience, I would probably be like a lot of
the non believers and the doubters, you know, people that uh,
people that just that just don't believe that these things
are possible. I would probably fall more into that camp.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a sin as believing kind of person, and not.
Speaker 2: That I don't trust people.
Speaker 1: And if somebody close to me told me they had
an experience, naturally, you know I would I would believe them.
But but for sure it changed my perspective on cryptids
and you know, things that go bump in the night.
We just don't know what's out there. For whatever reason,
you know, they're on this earth. I believe them to
be flesh and blood. That's my belief. Nothing to back
that up other than what I saw and what I
believe I saw, and how it moved and all that
kind of stuff. So I'm glad it happened because it
definitely opened my mind to possibilities of things, you know,
even whether it be aliens or whatever it is. Of course,
now there's all kind of things coming out about that.
But but you know when people, when somebody tells a story,
I'm definitely I definitely lean on the side of you know, hey,
absolutely that can happen.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you look at this experience as a
badge of honor. That tells me you're in a good place.
That's a great thing. I wish it was always that way.
You've been in Germany for a couple of years when
you had that encounter. But were you stationed in Vsboden
the whole time or in different places?
Speaker 2: No, I was.
Speaker 1: I was stationed in Visbonden the whole time. That was
my permanent duty assignment. And uh it was you know,
Other than that, I had a great time.
Speaker 2: I really did. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: The uh I don't drink now, but back then, man,
the beer and the food, it was really good, really good.
Speaker 3: Sounds like it must have been a great time in
your life.
Speaker 2: It was a pretty good time me.
Speaker 3: Sure, it sounds like it. Have you ever used Google
Maps to try to take a look at that area
now to see how it's changed or if it's pretty
much the scene.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you mentioned that.
Speaker 1: So my youngest we were talking about it, and I
actually had a conversation with one of your other guests
at one time.
Speaker 2: He and I had a.
Speaker 1: Conversation, and my youngest was with me, and we talked
about it, and so we went on Google Maps just
to see if we could find I wanted to see
if I could show him exactly where it happened. And
of course, now from all I can tell, these by
an airbases no more. Apparently they gave that back to
the to the German government. I guess looks like there's
they're doing something different with it now. It's no longer
an air base best I can tell.
Speaker 2: But you can. You can go on to Google Maps
and you can find it.
Speaker 1: And you can see the exact the exact bridge, or
at least you could a few years ago.
Speaker 2: Overpass all of that.
Speaker 1: I did not try at the time to measure or
anything like that, but I did.
Speaker 2: Show my youngest exactly where it happened. I showed him.
Speaker 1: I was able to show him, you know, doing the
whatever you call it, the street view or whatever, exactly
where this thing came and where it jumped. And so
that was pretty neat being able to at least, you know,
show him that it was.
Speaker 2: It was actually pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Oh, I bet it was being able to show him
like that, that must have been. It sounds to me
like you did everything right. But is there anything that
you wish you could go back and do differently?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't know, Vic. Maybe maybe
if i'd had you know, you talk about observant, but
there are so many things that I missed because I
let the the awe of the moment, if you will,
the surprise, you know, not knowing what I was looking at,
kind of take over.
Speaker 2: It wasn't fear.
Speaker 1: It was just like what in the world, you know,
And if I could do anything over, I would have
been much more observant, knowing what I know now, or
what I think I know now, or at least what
I believe, you know, when I've heard other people talk
about their experiences and like some of the questions you've
asked me, you know, I would have tried to have
paid more attention to some of the specifics, you know,
hands or paws, things of that nature. But you know,
at the time, you know, I didn't think anything like
that would exist. I didn't think, you know, never in
a million years, what I would have thought something like
that was real, that that that could do those type
things athletically, and look the way it looked, and so
it was just.
Speaker 2: Kind of like, what, you know, what am I sining? What?
What is this?
Speaker 1: And so I think if I could go back, I
would definitely be more observant, you know, for at least
for some of the particulars that you know, again.
Speaker 2: Some of the like some of the questions you've asked me.
Speaker 3: So, well, don't be too critical of yourself. I think
you handled it perfectly, I really do, and you deserve
a lot of credit for that. A few years ago,
your father in law had some excitement while he was hunting.
What happened to him?
Speaker 1: Well, it was actually it was there's a place that
we would deer hunt, and I deer hunted there as well.
And it was my father in law, my youngest his
his grandfather, and my uncle in law, my father in
law brother, and they finished up a hunt and they
were out and they were loading up the equipment, you know,
loading up the four wheelers and getting ready to go,
and as things normally go, you know, talking about hey,
did you see anything, you know, what's you know that
kind of stuff, you know, the kind of normal kind
of stuff guys do, or folks do. I shouldn't say guys,
but folks do after a hunt, you know, sharing your
hunting stories.
Speaker 2: And they heard.
Speaker 1: What I've come to learn as the ohio how and
you know that way they described it to me was,
you know, it sounded like an old air raid siren
and it was super super loud. I mean just they
were explaining it to me, super super super loud, and
my my father in law and my youngest they were
kind of intrigued and listening. And then my uncle in law,
who happens to be a a Vietnam Vet purple Heart,
he said, guys, it's time to go. So when the
combat vet tells you it's time to go, it's time
to go. So they loaded up and they left, and
so my father in law came over and after this
is after my youngest told me about it, and so
we went online and at the time it was not
I didn't find the ohio how, but it was another
YouTube video I found with that supposedly it was the vocalization,
you know, and that's what it sounded like.
Speaker 2: It sounded like an air aisar. And he was over
one day and I asked him, I said, I want
to ask you a question. You know, is this is this?
Speaker 1: Is this similar to what you heard? And man, his
eyes got really big. He goes, that's exactly what we heard.
So who knows. You know, He's told me some interesting
stories about things he's seen over there, some different things,
so you know, who knows. And it's the place where
we were hunting as far as I have no idea
how many eights, but you're talking about acres and acres,
thousands of acres probably that connect to the Holly Springs
National Forest. So you know, I know for a fact
there have been reports, you know, cryptids in that area
in the Holly Springs National Forest north of where I live,
So you know they heard something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say they did.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: Sounds like you too, have a good relationship. So have
you ever compared notes with your father in law? Told
him about your dog man encounter?
Speaker 2: I did, I have.
Speaker 1: He shared one other story with me about.
Speaker 2: He said it was a it looked like a large
gray wolf.
Speaker 1: That was essentially you know, when you're talking about a
small county road gravel, you know, you don't see those
much anymore, but you know, coming out of the hunting area,
and it was coming down the road toward him, and
it turned and went over into the woods. And he's
as he actually drove by it after it turned, and
he was driving a small pickup and he said this
thing he had to look down and up to see
the head. So who knows, you know, maybe he saw
a dog man, I don't know. That's about all I've
been able to get out of him about that. So,
lots of strange critters, man, lots of strange critters around,
you know. I hear stories about a lot of different
things in Mississippi, and uh, but it's not just here.
I had one of the uh someone I used to
listen to on YouTube a lot. I don't think that
there aren't a lot of sightings and things in Mississippi.
Based on what this person said, I think a lot
of people just chalk it up to, Hey, that's just
the way it is. That's just what it is. You know,
people kind of get used to things and no needn
talking about it or or whatever, so they don't they
don't make reports.
Speaker 2: And that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So, like I said, I live in a good place, man,
pretty rural, and you know, I'm hoping to hoping to
get a little more involved in some in some things,
just got to find.
Speaker 2: The right the right group.
Speaker 3: Well, if you like, I can see what I can
do to get you hooked up with people who could
maybe answer some questions for you about places to look.
Maybe people you could head out and do field investigations.
With no guarantee I'll be able to do that, but
I could try if you'd.
Speaker 2: Like, man, that would that would be awesome.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm my youngest, he's he's the most interested,
and we've talked about it. You know, we've gone out
a couple of times, just beating the bushes, but we
have no idea what we're doing. So it'd be and
he'd be he'd be game for that. You know, I say,
my youngest, he's twenty four, but he's grown, so it'd be.
It'd be a fun trip for us to go out
and hopefully try and experience something together, you know, because
they're out there.
Speaker 3: Yes they are, they definitely are. Well, it's about time
for us to get out of here. But before we do,
do you have any clothes and comments you want to
put out there for us?
Speaker 1: Well, the only thing I would say is this, if
someone has a story, and you know, and I know
a lot of people, there are a lot of people
that have stories that have not shared them. You know,
I would encourage them to contact you. You know, my
experience with you has been nothing but awesome. And I
know you do a lot in the community, you know,
to try to try and help people to deal with
these because, like I said, you know, based on our conversation,
there are people that struggling and and I think it's
important for people to talk about these things, particularly somebody
like you, because you know that these things are real
and you know, these experiences are real. And I would
just encourage anybody out there that has a story to tell,
even if they just want to talk to you, they
should talk to you. And I really do appreciate you
taking the time to listen to my thirty five or
whatever many years ago. It's been my story and I'm
glad I finally found somebody that I felt that I
could share it with the way I did, So I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Vic.
Speaker 3: Oh, you know you're welcome. Yeah, glad to do it.
That's what I'm here for. And I'm glad you found
me in you contacted me. But please remember yeah, if
I can never help you out in the future, just
let me know and I'll be there for you. And
also too, I am gonna see if I can maybe
find somebody who could take you out on a field
investigation then make that wish come true as well.
Speaker 2: That'd be awesome. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Well, you're welcome. Well, thanks against so much for your time,
and have a great nights.
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