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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is big D.

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Big D, thanks so much for coming.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me on VIC.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Please

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give us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm originally from Mississippi, the northern part of Mississippi.

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Grew up here, lived here basically all my life, with

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the exception of the time I spent in the military.

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Outdoorsmen like hunt, fish, all those good things. I really

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like living where I live. We're in a rural area

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and it's really nice. I like to hunt and fish,

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like I said, and and it's you know, really conducid

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for that. So you know, that's pretty much it. I'm married,

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got a few kids, and just like enjoy life.

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Speaker 3: Well, as long as you can say that, then it

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doesn't get any better. So that's a great thing. And

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thank you so much for your service to our country.

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I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: You're very welcome.

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Speaker 3: I do big do you join the army? In eighty

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seven and worked as an MP. But in what capacity.

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Speaker 1: Well, when I first got to Europe, I was actually

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assigned to the Provost Marshall's office. So usually MP's are

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assigned to an MP un it mine was a little different.

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I was actually assigned to the Provost Marshal's office and

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I worked as a traffic accent investigator as well as

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a military police investigator.

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Speaker 2: The latter part of my career.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like you got into your fear share of interesting things.

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And with that in mind, what was the most exciting

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thing you did wind up getting into while you're working

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as an MP.

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Speaker 1: Well, outside of my experience that I'm going to talk about,

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you know, one of the things that that was always

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fun for me was usually in the October. You know,

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they had a lot of fests and I played music

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at the time as well, so it was in a

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little band, so we were able to play fests and

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that was really a lot of fun. It was it

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was good downtime, you know, to get out on the

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economy as they used to say, and mix with the

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mix with the locals and uh so that was a

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lot of fun for me.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed doing that.

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Speaker 3: Ball I bet you did. And while you're working as

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an MP, from what understand, you're working night shift when

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you had your dog me an encounter. Did you normally

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work the lead shift like that or was that just

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a rare thing?

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Speaker 2: No, we would we would mix a match, you know.

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Speaker 1: It was whatever the needs of the U of the

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MP station, the provost Marshal's office, whatever the need was.

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I was filling in at night, basically helping the death sergeant.

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And if it was slow then I would take a

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take a ride through the housing areas, you know, like

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on a patrol, just to check things out. So, by happenstance,

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I happened to be working that night.

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Speaker 3: Luck of the draw. Huh mm hmm, Yeah, i'd say,

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I guess you could consider it to be that way.

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It's hard to see the whole Your encounter happened in Germany.

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What can you tell us about the police where it

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happened there?

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Speaker 1: Well, I was stationed in Wiesbaden. It's a out maybe

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listeners would know. It's probably about thirty minutes from Frankfurt,

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just across the Rhine River from Mites in the Rhine

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River valley. Really a great place to be stationed as

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far as being stationed in Germany, pretty mild climate, you know,

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due to the uh the Rhine River, that valley we

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were in. I only saw it. I saw it snow once,

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So I was pretty fortunate. Like I said, pretty mild,

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you know, due to the location of Germany, you know,

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on the globe. I really enjoyed the summers, you know,

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really really super long days. You know, people in the

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northern part of the United States, I understand what I'm

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talking about, but I really enjoyed those long summer days.

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It was really nice in the summer.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like he had a really good assignment.

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Speaker 2: There, then, Oh, yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: I was very fortunate to be stationed where I was stationed,

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you know, with some really good people. I think most

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anybody that's that's you know, served in any capacity would

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tell you that, you know, you make friends and those

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friendships are forever. I've got a buddy that I haven't

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seen in person for twenty something, no, thirty something years,

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and we can get on the phone and it's just like,

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you know, nineteen ninety one again.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's it was a good experience for me.

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Speaker 3: Well that's great. I'm glad you're still in communication with

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that person, and yeah, I'm so glad that that assignment

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wound it to be such a good one. That's great, now,

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big d. A lot of parts of Germany are pretty open.

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Other parts are pretty heavily forested. As far as the

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part where you were a sign goes, was it open

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or more in the heavily forested side, well, the.

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Speaker 1: East bottom the city itself, it was not very open

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at all. Now, where the air base was stationed, it

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was associated with the access road that would you would

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travel to get to the air base. There were fields

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on either side, so there was a lot of farming

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that went on there. You know, you wouldn't have to

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travel very far at all, get out on the economy,

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as they say, and you could get into some forested areas.

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was heavily forced it because there wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Mostly it was agriculture, so it was pretty open. That

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that's the key. Yeah, yep, Yeah, it must have been

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a lot of people listening to the show tonight have

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new idea what kind of a negative effect reporting a

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dog mean encounter could have for a military career. With

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that in mind, please talk us through the ramifications of that, well.

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Speaker 1: The ramifications where I didn't say anything about it. I

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probably didn't mention it for at least two years, maybe

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right before I left. And that was with as a

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matter of fact, with my close friend that I was mentioning.

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I just kept it to myself. You know, that's not

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something particular at that time that I would have been comfortable.

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You know, I wouldn't want everybody to know, you know,

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being an MP and you know I'm I'm seeing dog men,

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it probably wouldn't have been very good for my career,

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So I kept that under wraps.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't say I'll blame you at all. I

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can't from what I understand in Edie one or Eadie too,

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you and your stepbrother had an experience one night that

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might have been cryptid related. What more can you tell

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us about that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, Vick, this really didn't come to

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mind until later on in life, you know, when you

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think back. And it actually started when I kind of

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got interested more into the cryptids. And this is long

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after I'd gotten back home out of the service. But

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we were we were traveling to a pretty rural area,

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basically going out to a local swimming hole if you will.

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It was a had a boat ramp and some other things,

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and it was it was late at night.

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Speaker 2: I don't recall the time. It was probably midnight or

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after at any rate.

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Speaker 1: We decided that we both needed to use the restroom,

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so he pulled over and it was I just remember

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that night.

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Speaker 2: It was pitch black.

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Speaker 1: It was and you know, we're way out in the country,

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so there aren't any street lights there. You know, there's

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no kind of I don't recall the moon at all

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because it was just I remember it being pitch black.

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So he shut the car off and we got out.

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I got on the passer side and him on the

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driver's side. And as we were standing there taking care

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of our business, I was facing some a wooded area

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and we heard something or I heard it, I guess first,

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something coming through the woods. At first, I thought, well,

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maybe it's a deer, or maybe it's a cow, or

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maybe it's this or that. But it continued coming toward us,

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and as it was coming toward us, you could hear it.

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It was it was intentionally breaking limbs and.

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Speaker 2: Picking up speed as it was coming.

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Speaker 1: And I asked him, I'm like, do you hear that,

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and he's like yeah, and I'm like, what do you

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think that is?

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Speaker 2: You know, and he didn't know, and I didn't know,

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and it just it kept coming.

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Speaker 1: So, needless to say, we finished our business and we

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got the heck out of there.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you what it was.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it did sound by peedle and

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I've never had anything come through the woods like that intentionally,

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I say.

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Speaker 2: Intentionally making that much noise.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it was had to be big, and it was intentionally,

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you know, really breaking limbs. And you know, the only

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thing I can say is maybe it was maybe it

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wanted to leave, Maybe it was trying to scarce I

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don't know, but it if it didn't, it did.

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Speaker 2: So we left.

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Speaker 1: And you know what's crazy, vic is we really didn't

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talk about it after that. It was just one of

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those things where we left and and you know, over

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the years I kind of forgot about it again until

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you know, I started talking about my experience and getting

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more involved in encryptis and so on, and you know,

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it's one of those things that just kind of came

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back to me. So I have no idea what it was,

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but it got us on the move for sure.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you don't know what it was. It would

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have made that perfectly clear. Yeah, this would have been

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a much more intense encounter, so thank goodness for that.

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And sure it sounds to me like it was probably

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a sasquatch. Again, you never saw what it was, so

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we don't know. All we can do is guess. But

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as sure does sound like sasquatch behavior to me, so

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pretty good money, that's what it was.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, in that particular area that there have

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been I don't want to say reports, but my middle son,

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he dates a young lady and her family lived in

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that area. And this is years later, you know, and

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we're talking about this stuff, and and her family readily

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admitted it, admitted that they would see you know, sasquatch

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out in the field behind their house. So you know,

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I don't know. This was without them knowing anything about

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my situation. So who knows, man, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anyone's guess as good as anyone else's. We're never

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going to know. All we can do is guess. Said

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all right, big d, please tell us about your encounter. Now,

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give us ever last detail it comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, as we've covered I did join the army

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in nineteen eighty seven. I spent four years total, three

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and a half of those were in VSBAT in Germany.

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Of course, that was after my basic and ai T

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my Advanced individual training working as an MP. As I said,

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you know, I was assigned to the Problished Marshal's office

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and it was a it was a great experience, you know.

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I think back on it now and you know, it's

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kind of tough at the time, but it's never as

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bad as you as you think it is at the time.

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So at any rate, I've been there a couple of years.

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I'm thinking this is probably summer of eighty nine or

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ninety or so something like that, and I was working

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the graveyard shift, as we talked about, and I'm not

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really sure of the time. I'm guessing it was probably

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around one am or so something like that. It was

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on in the morning, and I was on my way

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back to the MP station after going out and patrolling

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the housing area off post. I was on a four

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lane highway B four or five five to be exact.

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they can find it. I was on my way back

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and I was coming to the underpass, which the underpass

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five five for the access road going back to vis

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by an air base. And I know when I say

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air base, some people say, well, you were in the Army.

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Speaker 2: Well I was.

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Speaker 1: We had a patche helicopters and Mohawk reconnaissance planes. I

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think earlier in the seventies that had been an air

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Force base, but it was an army Army post at

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any rate. As I'm coming up to this underpass and

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it was kind of lighted, there were some lights as

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you would see you know, what intersections or things on

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a I'm not going to say it was an interstate

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because it wasn't, but it was a four lane, you know,

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your standard four lane. Two lanes on either side. I

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can't remember the exact direction I was traveling again, traveling

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back towards the air base, and as I'm coming to

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the underpass, I see something across the other two lanes

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on the other side.

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Speaker 2: So there was a an.

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Speaker 1: On ramp naturally that would it would go from the

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access road down to four five five. So there's an incline,

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you know, a hill if you will, It comes down

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a ditch, and then of course the highway. Then there

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was of course a grass meeting in the middle, and

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then the two lanes that I'm traveling on, and I

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see something that's coming cat. I catch it out of

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the corner of my eye, and I can't really tell

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what it is.

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Speaker 2: I thought maybe it was a deer.

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Speaker 1: I really wasn't sure. They had some huge rabbits over there.

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I think I told you before, we kind of jokingly

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called them Chernobyl rabbits, but they were huge. People in

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the South might call them a cane cutter. But at

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any rate, I didn't know what it was. So it's coming,

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So I start slowing down. I'm in a I'm in

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a car, and I see it come down the incline.

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I'm not sure if it if it came up out

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of the ditch, or if it if it jumped from

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the incline, But at any rate, when it jumped, it

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jumped to the middle two lanes across from me. So

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I'm continuing to slow down, and I really I still

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at this point don't have a good a good idea

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on it. So I'm continuing to slow down. I'm looking, well,

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at this point, this this creature jumps from those middle

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two lanes. So I don't really know how to describe

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this exactly. But you know bridges, when they're put together,

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there's sections and then usually in the middle, in the

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middle grass median, you know, there are columns that go

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up and there'll be something that the bridge itself sets on,

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like a ledge or whatever it is. This thing jumped

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from those two from the middle of those two lanes

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on the opposite side up to the support underneath right

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below the top of this bridge. So it's like right

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up under the edge of this bridge. And you know,

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I did do some research when you and I talked before.

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The minimum in Germany is thirteen feet. I would assume,

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with this being a highway, it was probably you know,

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higher to the bottom of this bridge, but let's just

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say it was at least thirteen feet. So it jumps

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from the middle of the two lanes on the opposite

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side up to this ledge, if you will. It paused

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just for a second, and by this time I'm almost

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completely stopped, and I still have no idea what I'm

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looking at. As a matter of fact, I still don't

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know what I saw, but I want to tell you

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about it. It jumped from that ledge down to the

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middle two lanes that I'm driving in, maybe just a

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hair in a little bit further in the right lane,

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if you will. And by this time I'm at a

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complete stop. And what I saw was a creature that

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was the color of a blue pit bull. It was

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larger towards the front than it was in the back.

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It was tapered. The rear end of it was lower,

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almost like it was like prepared to spring or something

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like that, if.

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Speaker 2: That makes any sense.

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Speaker 1: It did have what appeared to be a maine of

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sort basically from that if you can picture this from

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the jawline going back, maybe a little heavier down the spine.

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And it was hair, and and it was pretty long.

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I can't tell you how long, but you know, five

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six inches long. But as it worked its way toward

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the rear of the animal, it got shorter and shorter

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and shorter. So probably by the time it got to

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about the bottom of the ribcage or so, it was

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like short hair like you would see on a on

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a pit bull or or or a dog like that.

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You know, it had a face, and I remember the

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profile more than anything. It was kind of like a shepherd,

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you know, I would have, you know, more like a

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German shepherd or a Melanoi or something like that.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: The snout wasn't extremely long, but it was out there.

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It reminded me of a shepherd, you know, it had

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of course, the ears were straight up like a like

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shepherds have years. They weren't extremely long. This thing paused

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when it hit when it hit the pavement, it paused

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and it turned and it looked at me for I

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don't know, you know, I think back on it now,

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it seems like, you know, several seconds, but I'm sure

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it was just a couple of seconds. I don't I

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don't recall any eye shine. I didn't see any any

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any color in the eyes, you know. All I can

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remember it was just dark. I really don't recast any

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teeth or anything like that. The muzzle, you know, it was,

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it was dark from the front. When it looked at me,

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it paused for just a second and then it jumped

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the rest of the way. Now here's what I want.

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I add that the there was a turning lane that

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you would get into that was the clover lease that

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would take you around to get on the bridge. Right,

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So Essentially, what you had was three three lanes wide,

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if you will, You had a turning you know, the

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turning lade or merging lane.

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Speaker 2: Or whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 1: This thing jumped and it cleared all that and there

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was some tall i don't know, sage grass, whatever you

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want to call it.

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Speaker 2: It was fairly tall. Like I said, it was sometime

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in the summer, and it was gone. I did have lights,

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exterior lights on the vehicle.

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Speaker 1: I tried to take those lights and shine into the grass,

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you know, to try and see if I could find

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this thing to see, you know, what it was. You know,

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I can't say that I was I can't say that

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it scared me because I really didn't know what I

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was looking at. Maybe I was just, you know, too dumb.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But I did have a forty five and I racked

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around and I laid I laid it on the seat

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and I kind of slowly went around and I'm trying

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to look, and you know, then at some point I said,

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you know, I don't know that even if something did

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come at me, I would have enough to slow it down,

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because I don't know what it was. Obviously, it was

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very athletic, if nothing else. I did forget to mention

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the build of it. You know, it was fairly muscular.

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You really couldn't tell toward the head, but the you know,

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the the rear end of it, you could. You could

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plainly see that it had that had very developed leg muscles,

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if you will. Nothing nothing gaudy, but you could tell

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it was a a very you know, athletically built creature,

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if you will. At any rate, I made the loop

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and I went hit the access road and I went

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back to the air base. I went to the MP

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station and I never said a word. And that was uh,

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pretty much it.

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Speaker 3: You never said a word, But was it killing you

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not too? Did you want to tell people?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I did because I wanted feedback. You know, I'm in.

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Speaker 1: Essentially, I'm in the old country, you know. But but

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you know, back then, you know, we didn't have Internet.

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You couldn't you couldn't google pictures, you couldn't. So it's

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not like I would have really had to have gone

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to a lot of trouble to try and research this,

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and that's the time I didn't. And they're really I

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just really didn't have that available to me. But yeah,

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I mean, I wanted to talk about it, but at

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the same time I was concerned, you know, I didn't

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want to. You know, I still to this day I

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tell people if they ask, you know, and we talk

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about things, you know, if I'm with a group of

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people or whatever and we're talking about weird encounters or whatever,

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and I bring it up, and people still to this day,

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you know, they're like, you know, you're crazy, or you

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know you saw whatever. You know, they try and they

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try and make up things that maybe I saw. And again,

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I don't know what it was, vic, I just know

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what it wasn't. And and the reason I say I

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know what it wasn't because I've never seen a dog.

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I've never seen a dog that could make a jump

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two jumps like that, like that creature made, you know,

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And I think I told you before. Had this thing

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just walked across the road in front of me, I

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might not have even noticed anything particular about it because

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it would have looked like a dog. You know, it

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was probably I'm guessing one hundred and fifty two hundred pounds.

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You know, I've had some fairly large dogs as pets,

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and I'm just guessing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't get out and I didn't I

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didn't try and weigh it or anything. But you know,

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you can never tell with things that are super muscular.

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But and again, I don't know how much of what

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I was seeing toward the toward the upper part, the

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you know, the upper part, the shoulders and everything, it

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was a good bit larger. But I don't know how

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much of that was hair and how much was muscle.

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I don't know, Like I said, I just know that

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it did taper from the shoulders back from the actually

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from the job on his back, you know, the hair

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and the way everything flowed backwards or down toward its

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rear end.

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Speaker 2: I think I told you I don't recall a tail.

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You know.

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Speaker 1: I've tried to convince myself over the years that it

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had a tail, or maybe it had a tail, but

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I don't remember seeing a tail at all, you know,

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and if it had a thin tail, I might have

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seen it anyway, But.

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Speaker 2: I don't recall a tail. You know. It was just

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a very strange encounter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like it was really strange. How about

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a mean, did you ever see one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the way the hair was it was

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kind of like a It wasn't really like a line's

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main per se. It was a similar you know. That's

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the only way I would describe it as a maine.

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You know, the way the hair started, you know, from

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the jaws up to like behind the ears, and kind

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of worked its way down toward It's like I said,

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it kind of stopped around the ribcage, right at the

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lower part of the rib cage. And I'm guessing that

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that's kind of where it stopped based on how I

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think it was, how it was built. And again it

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was and it seemed to be heavier or thicker or

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I don't know the exact word for it, but right

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down the spine, it seemed to be kind of heavier

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in it, like from the spine around to the sides,

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you know, it kind of it seemed like the spine

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where it ran down the spine was the thickest part,

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and as it ran over the animal and down around

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the sides, it kind of lightened up. So like even

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down kind of towards the belly, you know, it really

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didn't have it so if you will underneath maybe down

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to the chest, but then on the sides down to

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like below the rib cage.

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Speaker 3: I can only imagine the thoughts it must have been

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going through your head.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know, Vick, I'll be honest, I

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didn't at the time. It scares me more now to

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think about about it than it did at the time

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because I couldn't explain it. I was trying to figure

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out what it was, and again it didn't. It didn't

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do anything to act aggressively toward me or you know,

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it was just trying to get across the across the highway.

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So you know, I think when you and I talked before,

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or trying to trying to guess on the side if

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I believe that if it's if it had stood up

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on its on its hind legs, based on the length,

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it would have probably been around six feet tall to

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the top of the head, probably based on the lengths.

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Speaker 3: Of it, so not all that big then, but still

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big enough to get your motor running.

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Speaker 2: You better believe it.

477
00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:23,799
Speaker 3: I bet it did. You saw it at the perfect

478
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:27,200
angle to be able to answer to this question. As

479
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,599
far as the length of its torso goes, Did it

480
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,880
seem to have a disproportionately long torso or would you

481
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,279
describe its torso as being proportionate in length to the

482
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:39,519
rest of its body.

483
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that it was proportionate at all.

484
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:47,039
If if based on the way, based on the way

485
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:51,720
it crouched on the highway, to me, it seemed like

486
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:56,359
maybe the from the the upper portion of its body,

487
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,559
the rib cage may have been a little bit longer

488
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,160
out of proportion. Maybe, but you know, it was kind

489
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,200
of hard to tell with the way I had crouched down,

490
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,200
you know, And I'm guessing on the heights based on

491
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,559
the legs that I saw and the way the legs

492
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:14,480
were were folded up, you know what I mean. It was,

493
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,960
but I would say it was probably more if it

494
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:21,279
was out of proportion, it would have been more toward

495
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,200
the chest, the chest down to the stomach maybe, or

496
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,839
the neck down to the stomach. You know, it was

497
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:33,200
pretty pretty barrel chest as I remember, And of course

498
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,079
some of that could have been it could have been hair.

499
00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: You know. It was difficult.

500
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,039
Speaker 3: Got to give it to you a big d being

501
00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:42,920
an MP or a trained observer, and that definitely shows

502
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:47,039
you did a great job noticing all these details. When

503
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:48,680
you saw it jump from the middle of those two

504
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:51,680
leans up to that ledge and then back down. It

505
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:53,720
sounds to me like no animal on earth could have

506
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:56,039
done those things? Is that accurate?

507
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:57,599
Speaker 2: None?

508
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: None that I'm aware of that that are built that

509
00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:03,000
looked like that creature.

510
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 2: You know.

511
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: I guess maybe if you had a some sort of

512
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:10,000
chimpanzee or monkey, maybe, but it didn't look like that.

513
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,440
It looked like a It looked like some sort of canine.

514
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: And I don't know.

515
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 3: If any of that can do that, vic, I don't

516
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,559
either from listening to you describe what you saw. With

517
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,240
that in mind, though, when you consider what it did

518
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:25,880
with those jumps, do you think that means it must

519
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,400
have been a spiritual being or do you think it

520
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,319
was still just a flesh and blood with incredible abilities?

521
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: No?

522
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,279
Speaker 1: I believe it was flesh and blood. I mean it was.

523
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:39,880
It was solid. You know, There's there was nothing that

524
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,799
I saw to indicate to me that it would have

525
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:44,720
been anything other than flesh and blood.

526
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: That's fair enough. When it wound up turning and looking

527
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:51,759
at you, did it seem to have an evil nature

528
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,799
to it? Or a neutral one?

529
00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:01,119
Speaker 2: You know, I would guess neutral to annoyed, if that

530
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,640
makes sense. It I didn't.

531
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: I never I never picked up on anything evil, And

532
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,480
maybe that's why I was too dumb to be afraid.

533
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:14,240
I don't know, but it was almost like it was

534
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,359
more annoyed than anything. And that's just me picking just

535
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,839
going from the body language, you know, the facial There

536
00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:25,079
were no facial expressions or anything like that, but just

537
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:26,160
just the way it looked at me.

538
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: It just seemed annoyed, if anything.

539
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:34,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's part for the coors. What kind of a

540
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:36,000
car were in that night?

541
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: I was in an old Chrysler K car.

542
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,119
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember those or not, but

543
00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:45,440
it was the only one that we had in the fleet,

544
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,720
and it was, uh, it was a piece of junk,

545
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,839
but it was an old Chrysler K car, golden color.

546
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,319
Speaker 3: I'll never forget it. Oh boy, Yeah, I know what

547
00:29:57,359 --> 00:29:59,559
you're talking about. Those cars they used to drive. One

548
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,000
didn't one, but yeah, I drove one. Bill was summertime.

549
00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:05,519
Did you have the windows down?

550
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: Well?

551
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: I did not believe it or not that it wasn't

552
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,880
It wasn't very warm that night. Now, I did roll

553
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,680
the window down. It had electric windows, and I did

554
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:21,039
roll the passenger glass down, the window down, you know,

555
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:24,880
trying to get a better view, trying to see if

556
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,680
that would help me. But it did not, So the

557
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,119
windows were not down. But I did roll the passenger

558
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:33,400
glass down when I was trying to after it jumped

559
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,880
over into the grass, trying to see it.

560
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: After you did roll that passenger window down, did you

561
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:43,279
wind up hearing anything or was it silent?

562
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:44,519
Speaker 2: I did not.

563
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything. I didn't smell anything, you know,

564
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,160
I didn't even see it. Like I said, this grass

565
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:56,359
was fairly tall, you know, like sage grass.

566
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's probably I don't know feet maybe tall,

567
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:01,480
you know.

568
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,839
Speaker 1: You know, it gets in the summertime on the sides

569
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,799
of roads and things if they don't keep it trimmed.

570
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:08,519
And I didn't see, you know, because I'm looking to

571
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:11,279
see if I can see the grass moving or anything

572
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:13,319
where this thing is going, and I didn't see anything.

573
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,039
Speaker 2: It was gone.

574
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you took in a lot of good details.

575
00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:21,000
Hats off to you for that. After I jumped from

576
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,759
that ledge, you said that you stopped. How far did

577
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:24,480
you stop from it?

578
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:29,119
Speaker 1: Though I was I was pretty close, if I had

579
00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:36,000
to guess, maybe maybe eight to ten feet maybe, uh,

580
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:38,640
you know, I'm guessing. And that's from the front of

581
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,400
the vehicle, so you know, somewhere along in there and

582
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,799
let's just say, let's just say ten ten feet or so.

583
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, that's too close for a comfort. If it

584
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:51,319
was that close to you when you put that passenger

585
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:53,920
window down, didn't you have concerns about it coming around

586
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:56,640
UD tried to get it you or was that just

587
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:57,519
not a concern.

588
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,359
Speaker 1: Well, you know, like I said, I pulled my forty

589
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:03,240
five and I laid it, I jacked around, I laid

590
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,160
it on the seat next to me, and I didn't

591
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,359
think about it until after i'd done it. And you know,

592
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,599
I think I told you kind of jokingly when we

593
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,720
talked before though myself. You know, this is the way

594
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:21,359
people get killed in R movies. You know, they're trying

595
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,319
to figure out what this thing is and it gets them.

596
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:26,799
And honestly, that's what that's what motivated me to roll

597
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:30,079
the window up and get on back to get them back.

598
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,519
Speaker 2: To the MP station, roll them up.

599
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:37,279
Speaker 3: I didn't blame you, I really don't. How would you

600
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:38,720
describe its leg structure?

601
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: Well, the front legs, I couldn't see a ton because

602
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,839
of the there was hair kind of hanging down and

603
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,960
I couldn't tell you if it had hands or paws,

604
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:55,759
I really don't know, but the rear legs, it was squatted.

605
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,279
And you know, after you and I talked, I spent

606
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,319
a lot of time looking at I have dogs, and

607
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:06,279
I was looking at them and you know, just just h.

608
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: They had the mass.

609
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,119
Speaker 1: They had the mass like like human legs, you know

610
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:14,559
what I mean.

611
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: It had it had like thighs. It didn't have.

612
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: Your standard even even with a large muscular dog, you know,

613
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,200
they don't have thighs like humans. And this thing, the

614
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,640
way it was squatted, it had thighs kind of.

615
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: Like a human.

616
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:34,119
Speaker 1: And and that's really the thing that I remember. And

617
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,480
the muscle, you know, and I could see the muscle

618
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,839
in its in its rear end. You know, it was

619
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:46,000
just extremely extremely muscular, like real tight skin and you could.

620
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:47,319
Speaker 2: Just you could just see the muscles.

621
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: And so those definitely did not look like something that

622
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,319
that you would see on a on a on your

623
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:58,519
standard canine, you know, woolf a regardless.

624
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: You know, it was just, uh, I just remember how

625
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,119
muscular they were.

626
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:05,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that's a sight you're never going to forget.

627
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,360
That's a given. And if it was that close to

628
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,159
the front of that key, car. It was nighttime, so

629
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,679
you obviously had the headlights on, and you said if

630
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,320
it would have stood up, it would have been about

631
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,239
six feet tall or so. Does that mean that it

632
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,880
was just being blasted by the headlights, totally lit up

633
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:23,719
right in front of you.

634
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,199
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, But there.

635
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: Was also of course, now this is back that car

636
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,840
was probably I don't know what your molle it was.

637
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,840
I don't remember when they made the K cars last.

638
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,880
But you know, the lights, headlights back then weren't near

639
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,519
what they are now. And plus there was also ambient

640
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:46,320
light coming from lights that were you know, around the

641
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,519
around the entrance and around that bridge, if you will.

642
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:55,760
They weren't super bright. But I don't know about being blasted,

643
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:01,519
you know, I was, honestly, I was. I was focusing

644
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:08,119
so much on the on the build and the animal itself,

645
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:11,519
trying to figure out what it was that I honestly,

646
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:13,840
I didn't think a lot about that at the time.

647
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,519
You know, I'm just guessing based on how long, how

648
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:23,599
long it was, and how long I believe the legs were. Now,

649
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:25,760
going back to your original question about you know, the

650
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,400
torso the legs may have been longer, but I don't

651
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,559
know that I just know that they seemed to be

652
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:36,480
kind of folded up, you know, because it was squatted again,

653
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,679
like it was like it was loading up to spring

654
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,559
if if you will, if that makes sense, it was.

655
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:48,639
It was really squatted really low in the back. And

656
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:51,239
that's what I remember that in the in the legs.

657
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, like I said, you did an amazing job

658
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:58,719
noticing all these details. You really did. And yeah, those

659
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,079
headlights on key cars they were horrible, they really were.

660
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,159
So Yeah, if you could get enough light out of

661
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:07,440
them to read by at nighttime, you're doing pretty good.

662
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:12,239
So I understand, Yeah, I do. Where it's ear sitting

663
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,800
on top of its head or on.

664
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: The side, they were they were on top of its head,

665
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,039
erect like a you know, again, it looked like a

666
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:22,760
To me, it looked like a shepherd, you know, a

667
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,599
German shepherd or something from the from the side, and.

668
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:26,599
Speaker 2: Then when it looked at me.

669
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: I honestly don't remember the placement of the ears, but

670
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,960
based on what I can remember from the profile, they

671
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:35,480
were they were on top of the head.

672
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds from what you describe it, it sounds

673
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,559
like it definitely was a canine type dog men listening

674
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,840
to describe the ear placement and how its legs looked. Yeah,

675
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,360
that's what it must have been. Now, this might sound

676
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,880
like a strange question, and I guess it is, but

677
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,039
a lot of eyewitnesses report when they have a good

678
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:55,320
look at a dog men and a close range the

679
00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:01,519
way you were, then notice that it's kind of shaking.

680
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:06,440
Isn't the right word, but it kind of it kind

681
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,880
of vibrates almost it has a hard time holding still.

682
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:12,920
It kind of fidgets, kind of like an addict would,

683
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,559
if I'm being clear about that that description. Did this

684
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,000
one look that way? Did it seem to twitch and

685
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:22,679
fidget kind of like an addict? Or was it rock steady?

686
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: No, as I recall, it was rock steady. But again

687
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,079
from the first jump to under the bridge, you know,

688
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:38,440
on the ledge. From the first jump under the ledge,

689
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,039
it only paused for maybe I don't know, maybe two seconds.

690
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:46,159
Maybe it was quick. And then when it jumped down

691
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:47,480
in front of me, you know, it was only just

692
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:50,639
I don't know, a few seconds. You know, it seemed longer,

693
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:53,559
but it was only just you know a handful of

694
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,880
seconds and it was gone. So I really didn't notice

695
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,440
if it was you know, the only thing I did noticed,

696
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,920
like I told you, was when it did land, it

697
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,760
was it was in ready to go mode. In other words,

698
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,239
it had its rear in and loaded up.

699
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It wasn't it wasn't going

700
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:12,159
to be there long.

701
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: I do know what you mean. I do. How remote

702
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,559
was that place where this happened.

703
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:21,159
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I don't know.

704
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: There really wasn't much around the air base itself. Off

705
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,000
of B four five five, you know, you could get

706
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:32,840
out and there were some houses here and there, but

707
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,880
like I said, it was primarily fields, particularly once you

708
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,400
got across the bridge going to on the access road

709
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,239
going toward the airbase, and I don't know how many acres,

710
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,880
but it was, you know, as far as you could see.

711
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,280
I mean, and I don't even know what they would grow,

712
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,039
but huge fields where they would grow crops all the

713
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:55,119
way down all the way down to the air base.

714
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:56,400
And as a matter of fact, there were a lot

715
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,000
that were around the air base because when we would

716
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:01,960
do pt there was a road that went around the

717
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:05,039
outside of the airbase and that's where we would run. So,

718
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,519
you know, I don't know, there was probably nothing within

719
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:14,199
oh my goodness, probably at least five miles at least,

720
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,519
if not more, you know, within the right outside the

721
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,280
perimeter of the air base itself, other than other than fields,

722
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,280
you know, agriculture.

723
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 3: Sounds like big country, it does. Did you ever consider

724
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,239
the possibility it wasn't to loan when all this was

725
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,199
going on? Did you keep an eye out behind you?

726
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: I did not. I never.

727
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: I never thought about that. I probably, I guess I

728
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,519
should have, But no, I did not. I guess that's

729
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:45,920
the one I should have been worried about. If it

730
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,199
had if it had a buddy with it.

731
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:51,079
Speaker 3: Well, if it had a buddy, it could have gotten

732
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:53,199
if it wanted to. The one in front of you

733
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:55,599
could have gotten if it wanted to. But I just

734
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,639
wasn't on the list of things that wanted to do. Apparently,

735
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,039
Thank goodness for that. Yeah, did you ever see any

736
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:02,840
claws on it?

737
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: I don't.

738
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't recall seeing any claws, you know. I wish,

739
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:14,039
I wish now i'd i'd have paid even you know,

740
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,559
uh more attention to all the details. But again, I

741
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:23,320
don't know if if I'm assuming that the that the

742
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:29,119
rear based on the shape and everything that were kind

743
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:33,639
of like you know, regular canine type. Pause, if you will.

744
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,239
But the front I have no idea of, Vick. I

745
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,480
don't know if it had hands or pause or what

746
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:40,880
it had.

747
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 3: Oh, that's all right. You can only notice so much.

748
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,559
And like I told you, you did a great job

749
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:50,079
noticing what you did. Did it have a kind of

750
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:50,800
a hunch.

751
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: To it's back though, well, you know I think that

752
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:55,880
it did.

753
00:40:56,159 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: But again, the way the hair, the way the hair

754
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,199
kind of ran down round down its spine, you know

755
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,159
that it had that ridge. It could have, but I

756
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,440
can't say for certain that it did. Now did it

757
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:13,639
kind of have that appearance, yes, but again it could

758
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:17,480
have been the hair that was part of the main,

759
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:20,440
if you will, that was running down its spine, I

760
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,719
can't say for shirtain vic.

761
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 3: Oh that's all right. Like I said, you saw a

762
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,320
lot of details. Now, this one was small as dog

763
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,400
men go. A bigger one at twelve footer, for example,

764
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,599
can have hens as big as a trash can lead.

765
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,760
But you didn't see its claws. But as far as

766
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,679
his hands go or went, do this seem to be

767
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:46,119
in proportion size wise to its body or disproportionately large?

768
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:49,679
Speaker 2: You know, I can't. I can't recall.

769
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't recall I don't recall seeing any pause or

770
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:58,440
hands at all, so I really can't. I can't speak

771
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,320
to that, you know, after I've thought about it it

772
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,920
part of me has to believe that it had to

773
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,159
have some way to grab on when it jumped, you know,

774
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,599
underneath that bridge, up on that ledge, But I can't

775
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:14,079
say that for certain. I just don't recall. I don't

776
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:16,440
recall seeing that I was. I guess I was too

777
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,199
busy looking at the rest of it, you know. And

778
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,119
part of it too, may have been because of the proximity,

779
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:24,960
you know.

780
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:25,599
Speaker 2: I don't know.

781
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and I guess we recreate it,

782
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,440
but I don't know if the angle was good for that.

783
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: But I just I don't recall.

784
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 3: That's one of the funny things about having a dog

785
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,920
mean an encounter. It's a lot easier to those details

786
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,079
if they're further away than if they're eight ten feet

787
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:42,239
from the news of your car. It does make a

788
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,199
big difference. Yeah, did having that encounter compromise your ability

789
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,719
to function effectively as an MP? I'm sure a common

790
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,960
part of your job as being an MP was to

791
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,719
work alone without anyone else around, wasn't it?

792
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: It was, but you know, not really honestly, I didn't.

793
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,159
Speaker 1: I didn't talk about it, so I kind of, I guess,

794
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,679
kind of put it in the back of my mind.

795
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,079
Speaker 2: And I just I just didn't think about it that much.

796
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: To be honest, I didn't want to. I don't know,

797
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,440
I just didn't dwell on it because there was no

798
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,559
sense in it, you know, I didn't. I guess at

799
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:23,920
the time, I didn't feel like i'd get any resolutions,

800
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,639
so I just I tried to put it out of

801
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:28,039
the back of my mind. And I guess you have

802
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,079
a false sense of security too, you know, because whenever

803
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:32,440
I was on duty, I always had a firearm, you know,

804
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:33,679
whatever that means.

805
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,519
Speaker 2: But no, it really didn't. It really didn't affect me.

806
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: And and the only thing I can tell is is

807
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,400
I guess because I was so astounded at what I'd seen,

808
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,960
because I didn't know what it was. And to this day,

809
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:50,639
I mean, you know, I can only assume that it

810
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:53,760
was a dog man based on you know, all this,

811
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:56,360
all these stories and encounters I've heard. You know, I've

812
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,639
told you I listened to your podcast all the time,

813
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,920
and which great, by the way, thank you for doing that.

814
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: And it's just.

815
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: You know, I just I didn't really think of it

816
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,480
as a threat, if you will. And then you know, honestly,

817
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,320
when I when I came home, I got out in

818
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,760
ninety one, at the end of ninety one, I really

819
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,320
didn't think too much about it because that's the old country,

820
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,880
you know, that's you know, based on some of the

821
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,840
things I've read, you know, you kind of expect that,

822
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,119
I guess, if that makes sense, that sounds crazy, I

823
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:35,039
guess too, but you know, that's the old country, you know,

824
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:39,199
being in Germany and Europe, and you know, that's where

825
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:42,480
all these all of these stories come from.

826
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:44,119
Speaker 2: Originally, I guess from.

827
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: You know, people people seeing creatures like this, you know,

828
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:51,840
particularly dog men wear well was whatever. So I kind

829
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,039
of put it out of my mind, you know, until

830
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:57,840
I kind of got interested in cryptids and I started

831
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,320
listening to podcasts and YouTube and watching you know, videos

832
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,239
on YouTube and things, things and seeing.

833
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 2: Initially it was Bigfoot, and then you know.

834
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: Dog Man came into play, and it's like, holy caw,

835
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,639
you know they're here too. And I really wouldn't have

836
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:19,239
thought about that. I would have thought about maybe Bigfoot,

837
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,280
but not dog Man. But that's not the case. Apparently,

838
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,920
they're they're here in the States as.

839
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,079
Speaker 3: Well, that they are big time, But yeah, they're all

840
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:32,360
over the place, they really are. Did you ever have

841
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,480
any concerns that by not telling anyone about that experience,

842
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,679
that you just might be policing others in danger?

843
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: You know, I did not, And I don't know if

844
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,280
it's because I didn't feel threatened when it happened, you know,

845
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:51,400
I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm basing that on experience.

846
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,800
But again, if I've told somebody, I don't know, I

847
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,159
don't know that anybody would have believed me anyway, So

848
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,840
it would have been putting myself out there, you know,

849
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,800
for ridicule and whatever. You know, maybe if I'd gone

850
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,280
out on the German economy and spoken with some people,

851
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,760
maybe I would have got a different a different result,

852
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,559
you know, But I never honestly, I never thought about

853
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:19,239
that either. So honestly, I didn't think about that big.

854
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,599
I guess that's shame on me for not doing that,

855
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:25,800
But I guess maybe because I didn't feel threatened when

856
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,480
it happened, you know, I didn't really feel threatened, so

857
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,039
I know that never entered my mind.

858
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: No, that's not shame on you at all. Like you said,

859
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:36,519
if you would have told people, they wouldn't have believed you.

860
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,039
It just would have come back to haunt you. So

861
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:42,400
I don't blame you for not telling them. You said

862
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,119
that you didn't dwell on your encounter, But after seeing it,

863
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:48,079
did you wind up seeing dog men behind every tree

864
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:51,400
while you're on patrol alone or did you really take

865
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,039
that experience and stride and not have that problem.

866
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen anything like that since.

867
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: You know, as you and I discussed, once I got

868
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:12,000
once I got home, and particularly after I started getting

869
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,039
more interested in cryptids and things like that, I was

870
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,360
I was more wary in the woods when i'd go

871
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:24,119
deer hunting or something like that. It uh, it makes

872
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:25,719
you think, you know, the things that go bump in

873
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,239
the night. But uh, that was the only issue that

874
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,800
I ever had, was you know, maybe thinking about those things,

875
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,880
you know, when you're when you're going in at old

876
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,000
dark thirty, you know, thirty forty five minutes before first light.

877
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: You know, it's tough to see.

878
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: So but no, I really, I really put it out

879
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,719
of my mind when I was when I was still

880
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,360
in the service. I just you know, I can't really

881
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,360
explain to you why other than I just didn't talk

882
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,199
about it, and you know, I just put it out

883
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:02,239
of my mind. And as I again, as I got

884
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,239
more into being interested in cryptids and things, that's really

885
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,719
when I started thinking about it more and talking.

886
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: About it more with folks.

887
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: And you know, I've heard some strange tales, you know,

888
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:16,639
even from around where I live, about things that people

889
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:20,280
have seen and heard and things like that. And so

890
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,719
there are some strange things, and there are people that

891
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,800
see and hear things, and I know that, and I

892
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,000
think I told you, you know, it's it's like whether

893
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:34,880
it's you know, like with Bigfoot, you know, Sasquatch.

894
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: I'm a believer.

895
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,639
Speaker 1: I'm not a knower, but when it comes to dog man,

896
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:41,679
that type cryptid, I'm a knower.

897
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: And if those things exist, then by all means absolutely

898
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:51,679
there should there are other cryptids out there, whether it

899
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:52,800
be sasquatch or whatever.

900
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, yeah, there sure are. The problem is what

901
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:00,519
isn't out there? If dog men could be out there,

902
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:01,239
what can't be.

903
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: That's true, That's that's very very true. Makes you wonder,

904
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,119
makes makes you think about.

905
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 3: Things, you know, it really does. Yeah, that's not a

906
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,360
comforting thought either, do you wear that encounter as a

907
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,760
badge of honor or do you wish it never happened?

908
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: Ah, I don't know that. I wear it as a

909
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:32,280
badge of honor, but I don't. I don't regret it.

910
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,880
I mean, I've never had any.

911
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,119
Speaker 1: Like some people, I've never had any really negative effects

912
00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:44,239
from it, whether it be from talking to people or

913
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:50,199
psychologically or or any of that. So so for me,

914
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,280
you know, I chalk it up as to one of

915
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:57,880
a crazy experience I had in my life. But again

916
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,000
not discounting that, I know that it could have been

917
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,280
a lot different. It could have it could have been

918
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,119
it could have been really bad, and uh, you know,

919
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,960
thank goodness it wasn't.

920
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 3: That's a really good way to look at it. And

921
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,639
you're right, it could have been very bad. But that's

922
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:18,119
how most of these encounters play out. They've got every

923
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:21,320
opportunity to harm us, but they don't. Again, I've said

924
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,360
it a thousand times. I'm never going to say that

925
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,119
these guys never do hurt people, because they do, But

926
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,280
it definitely does seem like by far and away, in

927
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,559
most cases they don't, and thank goodness for that. In

928
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:35,840
what ways do you think you're different today? Big d

929
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,199
compared to the man that you'd be if you never

930
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,559
would have had that experience.

931
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:47,679
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, I think that if I had never had

932
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:50,880
that experience, I would probably be like a lot of

933
00:50:50,920 --> 00:51:00,559
the non believers and the doubters, you know, people that uh,

934
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:03,599
people that just that just don't believe that these things

935
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:07,599
are possible. I would probably fall more into that camp.

936
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:08,519
Speaker 3: You know.

937
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:13,119
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a sin as believing kind of person, and not.

938
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:14,159
Speaker 2: That I don't trust people.

939
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: And if somebody close to me told me they had

940
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,679
an experience, naturally, you know I would I would believe them.

941
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:24,599
But but for sure it changed my perspective on cryptids

942
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:27,920
and you know, things that go bump in the night.

943
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:32,719
We just don't know what's out there. For whatever reason,

944
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,639
you know, they're on this earth. I believe them to

945
00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:42,280
be flesh and blood. That's my belief. Nothing to back

946
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,840
that up other than what I saw and what I

947
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,960
believe I saw, and how it moved and all that

948
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:50,679
kind of stuff. So I'm glad it happened because it

949
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:58,719
definitely opened my mind to possibilities of things, you know,

950
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,280
even whether it be aliens or whatever it is. Of course,

951
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,760
now there's all kind of things coming out about that.

952
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,880
But but you know when people, when somebody tells a story,

953
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:14,119
I'm definitely I definitely lean on the side of you know, hey,

954
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:16,280
absolutely that can happen.

955
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you look at this experience as a

956
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,199
badge of honor. That tells me you're in a good place.

957
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,760
That's a great thing. I wish it was always that way.

958
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,239
You've been in Germany for a couple of years when

959
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,079
you had that encounter. But were you stationed in Vsboden

960
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:35,159
the whole time or in different places?

961
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:36,079
Speaker 2: No, I was.

962
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: I was stationed in Visbonden the whole time. That was

963
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:44,079
my permanent duty assignment. And uh it was you know,

964
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:46,639
Other than that, I had a great time.

965
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,079
Speaker 2: I really did. I enjoyed it.

966
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:53,119
Speaker 1: The uh I don't drink now, but back then, man,

967
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:56,679
the beer and the food, it was really good, really good.

968
00:52:57,519 --> 00:52:59,159
Speaker 3: Sounds like it must have been a great time in

969
00:52:59,199 --> 00:53:00,480
your life.

970
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: It was a pretty good time me.

971
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: Sure, it sounds like it. Have you ever used Google

972
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:08,360
Maps to try to take a look at that area

973
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,719
now to see how it's changed or if it's pretty

974
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:12,480
much the scene.

975
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you mentioned that.

976
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:22,159
Speaker 1: So my youngest we were talking about it, and I

977
00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:25,400
actually had a conversation with one of your other guests

978
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,079
at one time.

979
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: He and I had a.

980
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: Conversation, and my youngest was with me, and we talked

981
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,480
about it, and so we went on Google Maps just

982
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:37,079
to see if we could find I wanted to see

983
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:41,440
if I could show him exactly where it happened. And

984
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,559
of course, now from all I can tell, these by

985
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:47,559
an airbases no more. Apparently they gave that back to

986
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:51,039
the to the German government. I guess looks like there's

987
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,360
they're doing something different with it now. It's no longer

988
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,679
an air base best I can tell.

989
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,119
Speaker 2: But you can. You can go on to Google Maps

990
00:53:58,159 --> 00:53:59,159
and you can find it.

991
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: And you can see the exact the exact bridge, or

992
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:05,800
at least you could a few years ago.

993
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,639
Speaker 2: Overpass all of that.

994
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: I did not try at the time to measure or

995
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,400
anything like that, but I did.

996
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:18,119
Speaker 2: Show my youngest exactly where it happened. I showed him.

997
00:54:18,159 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: I was able to show him, you know, doing the

998
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,320
whatever you call it, the street view or whatever, exactly

999
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,760
where this thing came and where it jumped. And so

1000
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,360
that was pretty neat being able to at least, you know,

1001
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:34,360
show him that it was.

1002
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:35,599
Speaker 2: It was actually pretty cool.

1003
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 3: Oh, I bet it was being able to show him

1004
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,079
like that, that must have been. It sounds to me

1005
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:44,920
like you did everything right. But is there anything that

1006
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,760
you wish you could go back and do differently?

1007
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:56,559
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't know, Vic. Maybe maybe

1008
00:54:56,599 --> 00:55:00,840
if i'd had you know, you talk about observant, but

1009
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,519
there are so many things that I missed because I

1010
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:10,400
let the the awe of the moment, if you will,

1011
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:16,360
the surprise, you know, not knowing what I was looking at,

1012
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:17,960
kind of take over.

1013
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't fear.

1014
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: It was just like what in the world, you know,

1015
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,800
And if I could do anything over, I would have

1016
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,079
been much more observant, knowing what I know now, or

1017
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:29,760
what I think I know now, or at least what

1018
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,320
I believe, you know, when I've heard other people talk

1019
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,000
about their experiences and like some of the questions you've

1020
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,239
asked me, you know, I would have tried to have

1021
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,119
paid more attention to some of the specifics, you know,

1022
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:46,599
hands or paws, things of that nature. But you know,

1023
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,719
at the time, you know, I didn't think anything like

1024
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:57,119
that would exist. I didn't think, you know, never in

1025
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:59,599
a million years, what I would have thought something like

1026
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:02,800
that was real, that that that could do those type

1027
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,159
things athletically, and look the way it looked, and so

1028
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:06,760
it was just.

1029
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,599
Speaker 2: Kind of like, what, you know, what am I sining? What?

1030
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:09,199
What is this?

1031
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: And so I think if I could go back, I

1032
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,199
would definitely be more observant, you know, for at least

1033
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:22,639
for some of the particulars that you know, again.

1034
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:24,559
Speaker 2: Some of the like some of the questions you've asked me.

1035
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 3: So, well, don't be too critical of yourself. I think

1036
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,159
you handled it perfectly, I really do, and you deserve

1037
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:34,320
a lot of credit for that. A few years ago,

1038
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,159
your father in law had some excitement while he was hunting.

1039
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:40,239
What happened to him?

1040
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: Well, it was actually it was there's a place that

1041
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:48,159
we would deer hunt, and I deer hunted there as well.

1042
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,679
And it was my father in law, my youngest his

1043
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:59,760
his grandfather, and my uncle in law, my father in

1044
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:05,280
law brother, and they finished up a hunt and they

1045
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,280
were out and they were loading up the equipment, you know,

1046
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,559
loading up the four wheelers and getting ready to go,

1047
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:13,679
and as things normally go, you know, talking about hey,

1048
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:15,960
did you see anything, you know, what's you know that

1049
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:17,639
kind of stuff, you know, the kind of normal kind

1050
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:20,440
of stuff guys do, or folks do. I shouldn't say guys,

1051
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,679
but folks do after a hunt, you know, sharing your

1052
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:23,480
hunting stories.

1053
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: And they heard.

1054
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: What I've come to learn as the ohio how and

1055
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:36,639
you know that way they described it to me was,

1056
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,559
you know, it sounded like an old air raid siren

1057
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:43,880
and it was super super loud. I mean just they

1058
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,480
were explaining it to me, super super super loud, and

1059
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:54,320
my my father in law and my youngest they were

1060
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:58,760
kind of intrigued and listening. And then my uncle in law,

1061
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:03,360
who happens to be a a Vietnam Vet purple Heart,

1062
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:08,400
he said, guys, it's time to go. So when the

1063
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,320
combat vet tells you it's time to go, it's time

1064
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,480
to go. So they loaded up and they left, and

1065
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:17,519
so my father in law came over and after this

1066
00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:20,280
is after my youngest told me about it, and so

1067
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,639
we went online and at the time it was not

1068
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:26,719
I didn't find the ohio how, but it was another

1069
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,280
YouTube video I found with that supposedly it was the vocalization,

1070
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:32,639
you know, and that's what it sounded like.

1071
00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:34,639
Speaker 2: It sounded like an air aisar. And he was over

1072
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:35,880
one day and I asked him, I said, I want

1073
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,559
to ask you a question. You know, is this is this?

1074
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: Is this similar to what you heard? And man, his

1075
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:43,679
eyes got really big. He goes, that's exactly what we heard.

1076
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:49,679
So who knows. You know, He's told me some interesting

1077
00:58:49,719 --> 00:58:52,039
stories about things he's seen over there, some different things,

1078
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:55,000
so you know, who knows. And it's the place where

1079
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,360
we were hunting as far as I have no idea

1080
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,599
how many eights, but you're talking about acres and acres,

1081
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:07,199
thousands of acres probably that connect to the Holly Springs

1082
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:11,199
National Forest. So you know, I know for a fact

1083
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:15,719
there have been reports, you know, cryptids in that area

1084
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,320
in the Holly Springs National Forest north of where I live,

1085
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,920
So you know they heard something.

1086
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say they did.

1087
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:27,079
Speaker 2: It.

1088
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:30,239
Speaker 3: Sounds like you too, have a good relationship. So have

1089
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,679
you ever compared notes with your father in law? Told

1090
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,199
him about your dog man encounter?

1091
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:36,679
Speaker 2: I did, I have.

1092
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: He shared one other story with me about.

1093
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,639
Speaker 2: He said it was a it looked like a large

1094
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:46,199
gray wolf.

1095
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,239
Speaker 1: That was essentially you know, when you're talking about a

1096
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:57,119
small county road gravel, you know, you don't see those

1097
00:59:57,199 --> 00:59:59,760
much anymore, but you know, coming out of the hunting area,

1098
01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:03,280
and it was coming down the road toward him, and

1099
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:08,199
it turned and went over into the woods. And he's

1100
01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:12,599
as he actually drove by it after it turned, and

1101
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,000
he was driving a small pickup and he said this

1102
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:19,039
thing he had to look down and up to see

1103
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:22,519
the head. So who knows, you know, maybe he saw

1104
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,880
a dog man, I don't know. That's about all I've

1105
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,639
been able to get out of him about that. So,

1106
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,199
lots of strange critters, man, lots of strange critters around,

1107
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,440
you know. I hear stories about a lot of different

1108
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:39,519
things in Mississippi, and uh, but it's not just here.

1109
01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:44,239
I had one of the uh someone I used to

1110
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,199
listen to on YouTube a lot. I don't think that

1111
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,840
there aren't a lot of sightings and things in Mississippi.

1112
01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:54,239
Based on what this person said, I think a lot

1113
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,159
of people just chalk it up to, Hey, that's just

1114
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:58,239
the way it is. That's just what it is. You know,

1115
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,199
people kind of get used to things and no needn

1116
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,559
talking about it or or whatever, so they don't they

1117
01:01:03,559 --> 01:01:05,000
don't make reports.

1118
01:01:04,519 --> 01:01:05,719
Speaker 2: And that kind of thing.

1119
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: So, like I said, I live in a good place, man,

1120
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:15,320
pretty rural, and you know, I'm hoping to hoping to

1121
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,960
get a little more involved in some in some things,

1122
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:19,880
just got to find.

1123
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: The right the right group.

1124
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 3: Well, if you like, I can see what I can

1125
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,119
do to get you hooked up with people who could

1126
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,280
maybe answer some questions for you about places to look.

1127
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,719
Maybe people you could head out and do field investigations.

1128
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,360
With no guarantee I'll be able to do that, but

1129
01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:37,679
I could try if you'd.

1130
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:40,119
Speaker 2: Like, man, that would that would be awesome.

1131
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: You know, I'm my youngest, he's he's the most interested,

1132
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:48,119
and we've talked about it. You know, we've gone out

1133
01:01:48,119 --> 01:01:50,800
a couple of times, just beating the bushes, but we

1134
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:53,400
have no idea what we're doing. So it'd be and

1135
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,880
he'd be he'd be game for that. You know, I say,

1136
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,679
my youngest, he's twenty four, but he's grown, so it'd be.

1137
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:02,199
It'd be a fun trip for us to go out

1138
01:02:02,239 --> 01:02:06,159
and hopefully try and experience something together, you know, because

1139
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:07,360
they're out there.

1140
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,599
Speaker 3: Yes they are, they definitely are. Well, it's about time

1141
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:13,679
for us to get out of here. But before we do,

1142
01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:15,199
do you have any clothes and comments you want to

1143
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:16,519
put out there for us?

1144
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:22,039
Speaker 1: Well, the only thing I would say is this, if

1145
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:27,079
someone has a story, and you know, and I know

1146
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:28,920
a lot of people, there are a lot of people

1147
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,400
that have stories that have not shared them. You know,

1148
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,760
I would encourage them to contact you. You know, my

1149
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:40,639
experience with you has been nothing but awesome. And I

1150
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:44,079
know you do a lot in the community, you know,

1151
01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:47,519
to try to try and help people to deal with

1152
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:50,199
these because, like I said, you know, based on our conversation,

1153
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,880
there are people that struggling and and I think it's

1154
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:58,519
important for people to talk about these things, particularly somebody

1155
01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:02,199
like you, because you know that these things are real

1156
01:03:02,639 --> 01:03:06,360
and you know, these experiences are real. And I would

1157
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,519
just encourage anybody out there that has a story to tell,

1158
01:03:10,639 --> 01:03:11,960
even if they just want to talk to you, they

1159
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,519
should talk to you. And I really do appreciate you

1160
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:18,079
taking the time to listen to my thirty five or

1161
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:21,519
whatever many years ago. It's been my story and I'm

1162
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:24,719
glad I finally found somebody that I felt that I

1163
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,000
could share it with the way I did, So I

1164
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:27,559
appreciate it.

1165
01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: Vic.

1166
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:31,039
Speaker 3: Oh, you know you're welcome. Yeah, glad to do it.

1167
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:33,440
That's what I'm here for. And I'm glad you found

1168
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,320
me in you contacted me. But please remember yeah, if

1169
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,039
I can never help you out in the future, just

1170
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:40,920
let me know and I'll be there for you. And

1171
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,639
also too, I am gonna see if I can maybe

1172
01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:45,960
find somebody who could take you out on a field

1173
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,199
investigation then make that wish come true as well.

1174
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 2: That'd be awesome. I really appreciate it.

1175
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,559
Speaker 3: Well, you're welcome. Well, thanks against so much for your time,

1176
01:03:55,599 --> 01:04:14,400
and have a great nights.

1177
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:20,159
Speaker 2: English