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<v Speaker 1>This is the seventy seven w ABC Mini Cast. Well, hello,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just want to kick things off here before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to our wonderful guest, Joel Gilbert. David Jolly

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<v Speaker 1>is a ex Republican congressman. I got booted from the

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<v Speaker 1>well he left. He had a defect from Congress from

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican Party. Nobody liked him. And he is a liberal.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a far left liberal. He's running for governor in Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>A total waste of time. He's going to lose so badly.

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<v Speaker 1>But I never realized, you know, I just see him

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<v Speaker 1>as a schmuck on MSNBC. Listen to you think this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to play in Florida. Check this out Byron

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<v Speaker 1>Donald's put it out. Go ahead. I'm David Jolly, and

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<v Speaker 1>I approved this message because I'm I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>hear straight from me where I stand now, Mother of God,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, all right, all right, the lawyer's got involved.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand. I understand. We have a prohibition about certain

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<v Speaker 1>TV commercials and that kind of thing, because, believe it

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<v Speaker 1>or not, if you run a commercial, then you got

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<v Speaker 1>to get the other campaign and you got to run

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<v Speaker 1>one of their commercials, and on and on and on

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<v Speaker 1>and on and on. So we'll leave it at that

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<v Speaker 1>for now. But David Jolly has said a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>reprehensible things over the years, and we can find all

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<v Speaker 1>that footage outside the outside the environment of a commercial

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<v Speaker 1>and and let it loose, okay, because I want to

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<v Speaker 1>know is what's on his mind and what he would

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<v Speaker 1>do to Florida. He would destroy it and he would

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<v Speaker 1>destroy it. And I love Florida, all right. Who remembers

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<v Speaker 1>Ahmad Aubrey vaguely something? Georgia guy running through a neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>I vaguely, vaguely, vaguely remember. Now, those involved in the

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<v Speaker 1>case can never ever ever forget. And there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about this case that is unknown and totally misunderstood. The

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<v Speaker 1>things that are known, you know, like the Derek Chauvin matter. Everything,

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<v Speaker 1>everything about that case was reported incorrectly, and now we're

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<v Speaker 1>getting all the truth. So Travis, let's see here, Travis McMichael,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to bring in Joel Gilbert right now, a'mat

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<v Speaker 1>Aubrey I kind of remember it. Georgia guy running through

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood and some guys were convicted of murdering him. Joel,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the real story. Aubrey set it up for us.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you. First of all, hey, good to be back.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Greg, a great job covering Choven last night

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<v Speaker 2>on your TV show. And this is kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>forgotten case because it happened about the same time and

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<v Speaker 2>we had the same kind of woke justice system came

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<v Speaker 2>after the McMichaels. And to remind people of the story,

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<v Speaker 2>Travis McMichael and his father, his father's retired police officer.

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<v Speaker 2>They're sitting in their house and their neighborhood had been

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<v Speaker 2>burglarized several times and they had the guy on video.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd seen a video of him, of this black kid

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<v Speaker 2>named Ahmed Arbury, and his father recognizes Arbury running by

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<v Speaker 2>their house and he says to Travis, hey, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>guy from the video that robbed the house, and let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go call cops and let's keep our eyes on him.

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<v Speaker 2>So they call the cops and they follow him around

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<v Speaker 2>in their car and they say, hey, the cops are coming,

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<v Speaker 2>just please stop wait for them. They want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you. Arbury walks away, so they stop their truck

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<v Speaker 2>and they kind of give up and they figure the

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<v Speaker 2>cops will catch him when they get there. Arbury approaches

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<v Speaker 2>the truck and Travis has a rifle with him pointed

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<v Speaker 2>at the ground, and Travis raises the rifle so that

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<v Speaker 2>Arbury won't approach. He learned and when he was in

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<v Speaker 2>the when he was in the Coastguard, that's how you

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<v Speaker 2>de escalate. Soury's starts to walk away, and then Arbury

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden runs around the truck, attacks McMichael

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<v Speaker 2>starts smashing him in the face, tries to grab his gun.

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<v Speaker 2>They fight over the gun and a struggle for survival.

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<v Speaker 2>Travis pulls the trigger three times to save the life

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<v Speaker 2>of him and his father. So the case goes nowhere

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<v Speaker 2>because the local DA says it's self defense, similar to

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<v Speaker 2>the Zimmerman case, and then the woke justice people get involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Cromp and Sharpton, they come down and there's actually a

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<v Speaker 2>video that shows exactly what I just described. And despite that,

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<v Speaker 2>the State of Georgia then takes over the case, the

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia Bureau of Investigation. They arrest the McMichaels and they

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<v Speaker 2>hold a sham trial with Crump and Sharpton and Jesse Jackson,

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<v Speaker 2>and the protests are similar to what happened in Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 2>and sure enough, the woke judge, who was born in

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa actually didn't want people to know that and

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<v Speaker 2>be accused of racism, so he doesn't allow McMichael to

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<v Speaker 2>present the fact that Arbury was a schizophrenic. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>taking his medicine. His mother had called the cops in

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<v Speaker 2>a multiple times he was out on probation, and they

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<v Speaker 2>actually had him on video again robbing that other house.

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<v Speaker 2>So but they get convicted because the jury is terrified

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<v Speaker 2>of the of the lynch mob outside, similar to the

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<v Speaker 2>Chobren trial. Jury, they know that they're in big trouble

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<v Speaker 2>if they vote not guilty, so they figure, well, let's

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<v Speaker 2>just let the let the you know, appeals court handle it.

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<v Speaker 2>And the McMichaels of him and his father are in

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<v Speaker 2>jail for life for a self defense shooting. So I've

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<v Speaker 2>written about it, and the case is now before the

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia Supreme Court and it may get overturned this year.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's been in solitary confinement for five years. Travis,

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<v Speaker 2>I think for a simple self defense shooting. Because of

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<v Speaker 2>his skin color, well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing, you know. I vaguely remember and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>the T shirt he had a white T shirt on,

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<v Speaker 1>and they try to say he was jogging through the neighborhood. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been a runner at times in my life. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just not to get up you wear when you're jogging

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<v Speaker 1>for exercise. It's just it's not so I knew that

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of wrong. But was he actually did they

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<v Speaker 1>figure out he was a burglar? He actually robbed Holmes, Yeah, homes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they already had him on tape from burglarizing this

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<v Speaker 2>home previously, and that's how they recognized him. And the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution's case was, oh, you guys followed him only because

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<v Speaker 2>he was black, and you tried to arrest him, and

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<v Speaker 2>the citizen's arrest law says you can't try to arrest

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<v Speaker 2>someone based on their skin color, and you didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>about the robbery. Sure enough, they looked at the tape

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<v Speaker 2>again from that day. The guy had videotape in his

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<v Speaker 2>in his house, Arbury was in the house again trying

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<v Speaker 2>to rob the house. So they were right he was

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<v Speaker 2>the robber. But in fact, Travis and his father never

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<v Speaker 2>tried to arrest arbery. They never told him put your

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<v Speaker 2>hands up, you know, sit down, lie down, you're never

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<v Speaker 2>told him he's under arrest. They simply talked to him

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<v Speaker 2>and said, hey, the cops are coming. Please wait. They

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<v Speaker 2>never even tried to arrest him, but they got a

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<v Speaker 2>conviction for life in prison simply based on skin color.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all it was. And it's a terrible injustice, just

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<v Speaker 2>like the Chovin case.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, let me just ask you this because that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>and I know you're summarizing, but hey, the cops are coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Please wait. Now, what would be the purpose of telling

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<v Speaker 1>him that? I mean, like, what do you know anything

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<v Speaker 1>more about the conversation that Michael had with this with Aubrey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's well documented. While they were approaching him. They

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<v Speaker 2>approached him five times, and each time they approached him

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<v Speaker 2>in their car, he walked away and he didn't listen

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<v Speaker 2>to them. They had called the cops, and they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>the cops to talk to him because he'd been identified

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<v Speaker 2>previously on video robbing this house. So that's what they

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<v Speaker 2>We're just trying to convince him to keep eyes on him,

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<v Speaker 2>similar to what Zimmerman did in the Trayvon Martin case.

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<v Speaker 2>He was trying to keep eyes on Trayvon because he'd

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<v Speaker 2>already called the cops and wanted to make sure they

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<v Speaker 2>could locate him. That was the extent of it. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Arbury, who was you know, mentally had major issues

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<v Speaker 2>that were not allowed to be brought into evidence in

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<v Speaker 2>the trial. He attacks Travis and tries to take his gun,

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<v Speaker 2>smashes him in the face, and there was a very

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<v Speaker 2>extensive investigation. The local DA said this is self defense,

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<v Speaker 2>see you later, no case. And only when the media

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<v Speaker 2>mob and the woke justice warriors got into it, that's

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<v Speaker 2>when the State of Georgia was pressured into arresting him,

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<v Speaker 2>just like Pam Bondi, who was the Attorney General in Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>was pressured into arresting Zimmerman for a self defense case.

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<v Speaker 1>This is wild, man o man o man. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry I missed all of this when it went down.

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember the video. I remember the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere around it. You know, Oh, they got him,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it. Forgive me, but it kind of rang

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<v Speaker 1>true when I heard it, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And so look what there's the court has to focus

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<v Speaker 1>on something technical, you know what I mean. Sometimes actual

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<v Speaker 1>innocence isn't enough to get a verdict thrown out. What

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<v Speaker 1>does the appeal what are they pursuing regarding the appeal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the appeals coming up in the Georgia Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, you can go to mcmichaeltrial dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>McMichael trial dot com has everything, and they're pointing out

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<v Speaker 2>that Number one, the judge would not let them bring

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<v Speaker 2>into evidence that Arbury was a serious, seriously mentally ill.

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<v Speaker 2>He attacks someone holding a gun, that's a suicidal attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Who would do that? Trayvon Martin did not know that

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<v Speaker 2>Zimmerman had a gun in this case. He saw he

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<v Speaker 2>had a gun, and he still try to attacks him.

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<v Speaker 2>So they couldn't bring in the evidence of the mental illness.

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<v Speaker 2>They were not allowed to argue that they never tried

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<v Speaker 2>to arrest him. And that was the entire prosecution case,

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<v Speaker 2>was that you can't make a citizen's arrest unless you

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<v Speaker 2>had witnessed the robbery yourself. And in fact, the judge

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<v Speaker 2>butchered the jury instructions. He completely misrepresented the statutes about

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<v Speaker 2>the citizens arrest laws. Right after this case took place,

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<v Speaker 2>the state of Georgia actually changed the citizens arrest laws

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<v Speaker 2>because they knew the case was so weak. And interestingly,

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<v Speaker 2>the judge actually just quit his judgeship just last week.

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<v Speaker 2>I think because he knew this case was going before

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<v Speaker 2>the Georgia Supreme Court. So there's several strong grounds for

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<v Speaker 2>overturning it and having a new trial.