WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.399 Hey, it's Wes, and I am so excited to share 2 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:06.559 that Deviltown is back. I know it's been a really 3 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:09.679 long time since you've heard anything from me on the 4 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:13.359 disappearance of Kelly Wilson. So before we dive back in, 5 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.519 I feel like I owe you an explanation for what's 6 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:19.359 been going on, at least from my end. It won't 7 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:23.679 take long. I created Deviltown for a media company called 8 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:28.679 Imperative Entertainment, so they own the show, not me. There's 9 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:31.239 been a lot of changes in the podcast business, and 10 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:36.159 Imperative quit making podcast right around the time Deviltown came out, 11 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:39.240 and that's why Deviltown ended with no resolution. It's like 12 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:43.079 we hype up these new leads that we're chasing, these 13 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:46.039 big developments, We get your hopes up, and then you 14 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:49.320 never hear from me again. Like literally years have gone 15 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:51.840 by at this point. It took a lot of time, 16 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:56.280 a lot of patients negotiations, but I was finally able 17 00:00:56.320 --> 00:01:00.320 to license Deviltown back from the owner, so I can 18 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.799 keep chipping away at this story and keep searching for answers. 19 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:06.079 I've got a lot to catch you up on, So 20 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:07.280 let's just dive in. 21 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:12.000 Kelly Day Wilson was seventeen when she disappeared in nineteen 22 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:13.439 ninety two, and. 23 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:14.959 I got in my truck, she got in her car 24 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:17.799 and rest. As I say, is history. 25 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:20.439 I mean a little town like this, you can just 26 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:24.159 imagine what an impact it had. I mean, you know, 27 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:27.239 this girl just vanished into the na It's an unsolved 28 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:31.400 mystery out of Upshur County involving law enforcement, a satanic cult, 29 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:32.879 and a missing girl. 30 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:35.840 Following the story that would give the small East Texas 31 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:39.680 town of Gilmer national exposure, but not the good kind. 32 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:43.680 We need answers. This is thirty one years now, this 33 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:44.760 is ridiculous. 34 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:47.280 We need to get this solved, and we need to 35 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:49.519 make some noise until we get some answers. 36 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:51.040 Kelly needs to come. 37 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:56.159 Home from Free Range Productions in association with Imperative Entertainment. 38 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:10.879 I'm West Ferguson and this is Deviltown episode twelve. The lead. 39 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:15.800 So back when Deviltown ended the first time around, Amanda Gammel, 40 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:20.159 that private investigator and I were both chasing this lead. 41 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:25.240 That was extremely promising. It felt huge, And later I 42 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:28.759 found out that the Gilmourt Police Department was also pursuing 43 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:31.759 this lead. Now I've got to be pretty careful about 44 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:34.879 what I say, because I promised not to reveal anything 45 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:37.719 that was told to me in confidence, and it's really 46 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:41.360 important that I hold up that promise I made so 47 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:44.240 that people in the future will also feel comfortable reaching 48 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:47.560 out to me with important information. But I can't tell 49 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:51.599 you that I took it very seriously and it seemed credible. 50 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:54.840 And I can actually give you most of the details 51 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:59.159 anyway about these allegations because they eventually spilled into the public. 52 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:04.599 So word got out that Kelly Wilson's body was buried 53 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:09.400 in this tiny community outside of Gilmer called Glenwood. It's 54 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:12.360 about ten miles southeast of town. And what I can 55 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:16.960 share with you comes from an anonymous Facebook user who 56 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:19.800 claimed to be the cousin of this guy from Gilmer 57 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:25.439 named Terry Roberts. Terry and his now ex wife, Donna 58 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:29.240 lived in a neighborhood in that little community of Glenwood 59 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.199 that at the time was called Glenwood Acres. At the 60 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:36.639 time that Kelly disappeared, Terry was twenty years old and 61 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.479 Donna was sixteen. They were in bed the night that 62 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:45.000 she vanished, and supposedly, according to this information that we received, 63 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:49.280 Terry gets a call from an unknown caller and he 64 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:51.400 tells Donna that he's got to get up and go 65 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.759 help a friend, and he was supposedly gone all night 66 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:59.080 into the early morning. Later, Terry allegedly said that he helped 67 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.360 bury Kelly's body at a house and he even gave 68 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:06.479 a specific location under a tree by the fence line 69 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:10.159 in Glenwood Acres. This is a direct quote that was 70 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:13.879 attributed to Terry. She's dead and I know where she is. 71 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.720 And this person alleged that over the years, Terry would 72 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:20.839 get drunk and he would often talk about Kelly. There 73 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:24.240 were some other allegations also thrown out in another Facebook 74 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:27.279 post Terry's own son in law. This guy named Hunter 75 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.279 also said that Terry made death threats against his own 76 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:33.399 family members. But from what I can tell, Terry has 77 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:36.519 never been charged with anything, and of course we're all 78 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:40.360 innocent until proven guilty. Terry himself also jumped in the 79 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:44.680 comments to defend himself against these allegations involving Kelly Wilson, 80 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:48.199 and he speculated that it was not a cousin as 81 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:51.839 this anonymous comment or claimed to be, but it was 82 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:55.439 actually his own daughter who was leveling these allegations against 83 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.639 him that tied him back to Kelly Wilson, and he 84 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.879 said that his daughter was quote trying to be messy, 85 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.720 and I mean it was definitely messy. But when these 86 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:09.000 family members looked up the property details of the house 87 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.519 that Terry had allegedly pointed out to them, guess what 88 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:16.120 it was actually Joe Henry's old house. I'm sure you 89 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:19.240 remember who Joe Henry was if you listen to all 90 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:23.639 of our earlier episodes of Deviltown. Joe was the video 91 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:28.079 store employee often described as the video store manager who 92 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:31.279 worked with Kelly there on the Courthouse Square in Gilmer, 93 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:34.040 and he was the last person we know of who 94 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.639 saw Kelly on the night she disappeared in January nineteen 95 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:41.480 ninety two. And from everything we've heard, Joe was never 96 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:45.000 really considered a suspect in the case. Like Terry, he 97 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:48.720 is also innocent until proven guilty. Joe doesn't own the 98 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:51.560 house anymore, but I'm told that he did live there 99 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.839 at the time of Kelly's disappearance. Whatever was going on, 100 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.839 the current owner of the property was also following all 101 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:01.879 these allegations and this stuff that was spelling onto Facebook. 102 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:04.240 And when I talked to her. She told me that 103 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:07.800 she also believed that Kelly was buried on her land, 104 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:10.480 and not only that, but she had given the Gilmer 105 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:15.360 Police Department permission to search her property for the body. So, 106 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:17.920 I mean, I can't tell you how big this was. Like, 107 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:22.800 I'm in the middle of producing this podcast and we 108 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:26.759 are getting fed all of this stuff, mostly off the record. 109 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.160 We're chasing down all the leaves that we can, and 110 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:32.120 it's happening on this tight deadline. We have a new 111 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:35.560 episode to put out every week, and so that's why 112 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:39.279 I know. I was so excited, and for the first time, 113 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:43.040 I thought, gosh, maybe we will crack this case. So 114 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:45.480 I was waiting for the Gilmer Police Department to do 115 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:48.160 this search, and in the meantime, I was trying to 116 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:51.160 see what else I could find about Terry, and I 117 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:53.680 was told he had an adult son with another woman 118 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.879 named Robbie Hi Minez, and he actually got Robby pregnant 119 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.720 when they were teenagers, but they actually split up before 120 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:03.560 kelly disappearance and before he got together with the woman 121 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.240 who would become his wife, Donna. So it was kind 122 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:08.839 of a long shot that Robbie would know anything. But 123 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:12.240 I had to ask. I found an address in Kilgore, 124 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:15.399 also the town where I grew up, about thirty miles 125 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:17.560 south of Gilmour. When I pulled up, there was a 126 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:25.160 woman standing in the doorway. I'm looking for Robbie Hemanez, Hey, Robbie. 127 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:28.240 My name is Wes Ferguson. I'm a journalist and reporter, 128 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:31.040 and I'm working on a big project on the Kelly 129 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:34.879 Wilson disappearance. And I heard that you were from Gilmer 130 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:37.160 and you might have known her back in the day. No, 131 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:38.920 I did, Sweatie, I sure didn't. 132 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:39.680 I didn't know her like that. 133 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.360 No, I sure didn't, wish I did. 134 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:44.560 Do you have any idea what might have happened to her? 135 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:46.600 I'm no, I sure don't at all. 136 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:48.240 You talk about that growth. 137 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.560 And witness when I went to school, yes, oh that 138 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:51.759 was a long time ago. 139 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:53.720 Yeah, but I never really not. 140 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:55.959 I don't know, Sweetie, I really don't. 141 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:59.240 So it just a wild rumor that Terry Roberts might 142 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:01.279 have known something. I would hope not. 143 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:05.120 Yeah, I really would, I thought, not so much joking. 144 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:09.079 Okay, this was interesting. Her son that she had with 145 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:13.199 Terry had already told her about these allegations. You thought 146 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:14.439 your son was joking. 147 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:17.079 Not saying something to me about I said, what do 148 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:17.800 you talk about? 149 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:18.759 But I never heard that. 150 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:20.079 I thought m's so advessent. 151 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:23.639 So I guess Terry said something. 152 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:24.120 I don't know. 153 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:25.720 I never ever heard that. 154 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.480 Apparently Terry's been going around saying that as she really yeah, 155 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:31.439 I'm like, in. 156 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.080 This gracious, why would he want to bring that on 157 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:34.360 hisself and in his. 158 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:35.480 Life he's doing good. 159 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:36.679 I don't know. 160 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:38.799 I never ever heard anything like that. 161 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:41.000 Mm hmm, yeah, never had. 162 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:43.320 He was no rumor or nothing that I remember of 163 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.360 as a irber staying at Terry had he saying, you 164 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:45.840 do with death? 165 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:49.039 Okay, yeah, Miss Robbie, I sure appreciate it. 166 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:49.679 Thank you very much. 167 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:50.960 I appreciate you. Yes, ma'am. 168 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:51.320 Take care. 169 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:55.080 So I didn't get much from Robbie, but she did 170 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:58.919 confirm that she had heard about Terry possibly claiming he 171 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:01.919 was involved with kelly disappearance, and she heard that from 172 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.159 her son Scottie, even though she says she thought he 173 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:08.159 was joking. I also went over to Terry's house north 174 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:10.480 of Gilmour, and on my way there I made the 175 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:13.960 mistake of calling my wife Laura and telling her what 176 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:14.480 I was about. 177 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:14.799 To do. 178 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:17.879 I've been a journalist for so long that sometimes I 179 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:21.039 forget Going up and knocking on a stranger's door isn't 180 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:24.720 the most normal thing, especially when this stranger is being 181 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:27.919 accused of some kind of crime. But anyway, I knock 182 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.519 on the door and it seems like people are home. 183 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:34.000 I could hear dogs barking, but no one ever comes 184 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:36.360 to the door. So I call Laura and I tell 185 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:38.840 her she can stop freaking out, and I drive back 186 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:42.000 into town and interview a few other people. At this 187 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.320 point in my career, I'd written like I don't know 188 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:49.759 a million newspaper articles, so many magazine stories, and nothing 189 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:52.799 I'd ever done before got the kind of response that 190 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:56.159 Deviltown did. It seemed like everybody in East Texas was 191 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:58.919 talking about it. Half of them had leads for me, 192 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:02.840 or suggestions, rumors, gossip. I was hearing from people like 193 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:06.919 on all the social media channels, text emails, phone calls. 194 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:09.799 It was so much that I actually hired a young 195 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.480 reporter named James Hernandez to help me pursue the leads 196 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:16.679 that seem the most promising. I didn't have any luck 197 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:19.799 when I knocked on Terry's door, but James was able 198 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:23.039 to get in touch with Terry's son, Scotty, and Scotty 199 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:26.159 agreed to talk to James, or so we thought. 200 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:32.480 Ella, Hi Scotty, this is James. I just messaged you 201 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:35.360 on Facebook. Yes, how you doing today? 202 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:36.399 All right? 203 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:39.080 So I'm doing good? Thanks for asking? 204 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:40.279 All right? 205 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:44.399 Well, when West spoke to your mother, Robbie, he meant 206 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:47.720 is she told him about how Terry Roberts would make 207 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:52.080 suspicious statements about Kelly when he was drinking, like, for example, 208 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:55.240 that he knows where her body's buried. You know, weird 209 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:57.919 stuff like that. And I was just reaching out to 210 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:01.759 see if maybe you remember anything like this being around him. 211 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:05.240 So let me ask this, how did you get in 212 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:07.279 contact with Robbie? 213 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:10.759 To begin with, I'm not sure it was my partner 214 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:13.440 Wes that got in touch with her. I know he's 215 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.600 been in touch with a lot of people from Kilmer Kilgore, 216 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:19.039 so you know it might have been a friend that 217 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:20.600 got him in touch with her. 218 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:24.639 Absolutely, be honest with you're talking to Terry Roberts, trot Now, 219 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.840 he told me about somebody who does his mother while. 220 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:32.600 Back, hold on, let's unpack this because what just happened 221 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:37.120 is kind of crazy. Here's James thinking he's talking to Scotty, 222 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:39.480 but it's not Scotty at all. He's on the phone 223 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:42.759 with Terry, the guy we've actually been trying to reach. 224 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.279 And I assumed it had something to do with my 225 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:49.519 old as Doug. We're not talking right now. 226 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:51.559 And she's kind of I don't. 227 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:55.080 Know how not put it, Matcy lies the stirrup trouble. 228 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:59.759 Don hers she probably talk someone there that's just trying 229 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:01.240 to start up trouble. 230 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:05.600 Terry said he had absolutely nothing to do with Kelly 231 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:06.679 Wilson's disappearance. 232 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:12.320 No, I didn't know that girl. I heard all the stories, 233 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:15.519 like everybody else said sitting on TV. 234 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:18.759 And all the rumors that kind of heard about it. 235 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:21.279 Everything like said like everybody else. 236 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:25.039 Right, So yeah, it could have just been like some 237 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:27.720 sort of mix up, just someone trying to steer trouble, 238 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:28.960 that's what you're trying to say. 239 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:34.879 Yeah, like I said, I didn't know the girl, even 240 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:38.600 think I watched that episode on TV pattern you know, 241 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:42.240 then getting the officer mixed up in it, all the 242 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:49.120 curves and the devil worsh it's just all the craziness. 243 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:53.879 All the rumors I heard. She's under the I'll shet 244 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:58.679 the pizza Hud and Gilmer. You know she's burying their 245 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:03.759 row constructed. But no, I was sure you no, I 246 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:04.960 didn't even know that girl. 247 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:10.080 I appreciate you clearing all this up. Yeah, thank you, alrighty, 248 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:11.240 thank you too. Bye. 249 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:14.840 After the break, police ask if they can search for 250 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:18.440 Kelly's body on a property outside of town, and the 251 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:19.919 property owner says yes. 252 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.159 Immediately, I knew it was Kelly Wilson, and I kind 253 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.159 of put two and two together because I'd already known 254 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:28.519 that I was living in Joe Henry's parents old house. 255 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:41.720 So the whole terry thing didn't really go anywhere, but 256 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:45.120 the tip that Kelly's body was in Glenwood Acres was 257 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.600 something worth looking into, according to the current owner of 258 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.759 that property in question. The Gilmer Police Department eventually brought 259 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:55.960 two kadaver dogs, a black lab and a blonde lab 260 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:58.919 to the house where Joe Henry used to live outside 261 00:13:58.919 --> 00:13:59.360 of Gilmour. 262 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.240 So they had asked if they could bring Kidaber dogs 263 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:05.840 within the next few days. Well and behold, it was 264 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:08.000 like literally the next day that they came up and 265 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:10.480 did the kid averdogs. He went back and forth with 266 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:12.360 both dogs at different times. 267 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:15.600 The dogs searched the front, the back. It was a 268 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.759 four acre property, and they go by the chicken coops 269 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:21.720 and it turns out there's this concrete pad that is 270 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:24.960 mostly underground, and I can only imagine what's going through 271 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:27.759 the current owner's mind. She didn't know Kelly, but she 272 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:30.799 was very familiar with the story and is like, at 273 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:35.360 this point, totally convinced that Kelly is buried on her property. 274 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:38.720 But when she contacted me, she was pretty critical of 275 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:41.759 the police department. She said that they spent less than 276 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:45.679 an hour investigating the area, and she used investigating the 277 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:49.720 area in scare quotes. But the dogs did have a 278 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:54.759 change of behavior separately on the same exact location. One 279 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:58.000 of the officers used this long probing stick under the 280 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.000 concrete pad, and when they brought the black lab out, 281 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.799 it went back to that pad and alerted. 282 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:06.360 On the spot. So it wasn't just a changing behavior, 283 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:07.399 it actually alerted. 284 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:11.240 So at this point they don't dig. The police say 285 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:15.000 they want to come back later with ground penetrating radar, 286 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:17.559 but they admit that it might take quite a bit 287 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:19.600 of time, like maybe a few months to even get 288 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:23.000 access to the equipment they need. Property owner says, okay, 289 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:26.159 that's fine. But less than an hour after the police leave, 290 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.679 they call back and they ask, can we just come 291 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:32.000 bust up that concrete pad? So that tells you that 292 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:35.159 they are taking this very seriously too. A guy from 293 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:38.399 the city water department actually comes out with his tractor 294 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:41.440 and he digs up the pad and then they dig 295 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:44.480 down about half a foot. But then they stop. 296 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:49.240 They get here, they dig up the pad, kind of 297 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:52.720 go about maybe a half a foot, covered it back 298 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:55.039 up and said that's there. There's nothing there. 299 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:59.279 There's nothing there. Now this really puzzles the owner and 300 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:01.360 her husband, And why do you go to all this 301 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:03.840 trouble to bust up this concrete where the dog's alert 302 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:05.759 and then you only go down half a foot? 303 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:09.159 How do you know that something's not there? Well anyway, 304 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:12.480 So it just kind of threw us for a little 305 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:15.440 bit of a loot because I felt like enough wasn't done, 306 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:17.000 like it wasn't done carefully. 307 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:22.200 But apparently they felt like the soil hadn't been disturbed. 308 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:24.679 Somehow they could tell that. So they just give up. 309 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:28.559 And the current owner is not happy and she says, 310 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:33.159 I'm convinced that Kelly is here, okay, and somehow. There's 311 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:39.159 also these paranormal investigators who are also investigating Kelly's case, 312 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:43.159 and they hear the same story that I do about 313 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:46.440 Kelly being buried at this property, and they also get 314 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:47.639 permission to go search. 315 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:51.080 We had some paranal investigators come out. I'm sure you 316 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:54.159 heard about that. They came by here, and I won't 317 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:57.600 necessarily disclose exactly what they found because we're still trying 318 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:01.080 to one process at ourselves and two figure out what 319 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:02.080 our next steps are. 320 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.599 The things they found, the convincing things were like kind 321 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:09.759 of in the paranormal realm, not like physical evidence. 322 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:13.039 Yes, yes, at the same true that the dogs alerted 323 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:15.480 at even when they were here. I'm like, this is weird. 324 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:16.440 This is just weird. 325 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:20.440 I'm not really big on paranormal stuff. No disrespect people 326 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.039 who were into that. It's just not for me. I 327 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:25.480 was invited to go participate, but I just said no. 328 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:29.759 But I'm told that while these investigators are on the property, 329 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:32.440 they're like recording all this audio and they're getting this 330 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:36.079 like spooky stuff. Some people believe that it's Kelly's voice. 331 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:40.240 That audio was never shared with me. It's not online anywhere. 332 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:43.359 Nothing really seems to come of that, I'm told that 333 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:47.839 another excavation was also done with the soil specialist, who 334 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.559 also said the soil at that concrete pad was undisturbed. 335 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:56.000 There's also some speculation that that concrete pad predated Kelly's 336 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:00.359 disappearance in nineteen ninety two. They're also interested in this 337 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:04.200 old burn pile they find, but the owner says that 338 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.000 it's actually stuff that the previous owner had burned, so 339 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:10.400 supposedly not related to Kelly's case at all. And when 340 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:13.559 all of this information spills into the public, it all 341 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:15.400 gets to be a little too much for the current owner. 342 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.720 And now she says that she is confident that Kelly's 343 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.880 body is nowhere on her property. She's asking the public 344 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:25.559 to respect her private property, which of course I always 345 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:28.519 have and I think most people have. You know, it's 346 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:31.680 all kind of disappointing. It's like, in the moment, this 347 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:35.279 seemed real, you know, this felt credible, and I was 348 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:38.880 doing everything I could to help advance this case. Was 349 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:41.920 really excited to hear that the Gilmer Police Department was 350 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:45.240 taking it seriously. It was disappointing that they didn't dig 351 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:48.519 any further. It's also kind of crazy that they weren't 352 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:52.559 really treating this possible crime scene with more care. They 353 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:54.799 were in a you know, they got a city employee 354 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:57.119 with this tractor to bust up the concrete and dig 355 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:59.240 up if something had been there, you know, it could 356 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:04.279 have been disturbed pretty easily. But unfortunately nothing came of it. 357 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:08.480 It seems like this promising lead just kind of fizzled out, 358 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:12.000 like so many other leads over the last thirty years. 359 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:14.880 But Kelly's loved ones, they're not losing hope. 360 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:19.240 This is thirty one years now. This is ridiculous. 361 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:21.559 We need to get this solved, and we need to 362 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:24.000 make some noise until we get some answers. 363 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:25.480 That's after the break. 364 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:39.240 Today mark's thirty one years since Kelly Wilson and Gilmer disappeared, 365 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:42.039 and her friends and family continued a wait for closure. 366 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:43.759 Tonight, they held a candle. 367 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:46.039 Light about a week after we shared the last episode 368 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:50.200 of Deviltown, thirty one years to the night since Kelly disappeared, 369 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:53.839 the people of Gilmer gathered outside the old video store, 370 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:57.319 the last place where anybody saw her, and they held 371 00:19:57.319 --> 00:19:58.319 a candlelight. 372 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:01.640 Vigil if they baseball at the ca they've seen it 373 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:05.640 moved towards one group of suspects, and then nothing panned out, 374 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:07.799 and another group of suspects and nothing panned out, and 375 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:10.119 then it's like things just fizzled out. 376 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:12.839 The thirty year mark has really hit home and hit 377 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:15.160 hard for a lot of us in the community. And 378 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:19.039 we've decided to pull together and pull off our resources 379 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:22.240 and you see if we can get some answers. 380 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:24.720 They opened the vigil the way a lot of things 381 00:20:24.759 --> 00:20:28.279 open around here with a prayer. This is a local pastor, 382 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:29.519 Brother Mike Kessler. 383 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.720 You were from the future backwards and you knew that 384 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:37.319 we would be gathered here today. God, and you know 385 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:41.319 what happened to Kelly. And Lord Jesus, you're a God 386 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:46.480 of revelation, and we are gathered here today to cry 387 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:51.599 out to you, to reveal to us the truth. 388 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:56.519 Jennifer Dean and Kelly were the same age. They would 389 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:00.279 have graduated together the class of ninety two, and in 390 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:03.039 the weeks right before Kelly disappeared, the two of them 391 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:05.000 had been spending a lot of time together. 392 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:08.920 If you knew Kelly, you knew a young woman that 393 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:14.680 was full of life. She was beautiful, she was smart, 394 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:19.559 she was bold, she was brave, she was talented, and 395 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:23.279 she had dreams, and she had aspirations, she wanted to 396 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:27.480 go to LSU. She was just somebody that you'd go 397 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:29.759 your whole life and remember, even if you had a 398 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.960 brief encounter with her. It's hard to imagine things like 399 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:36.759 this happening in our town. A lot of us here 400 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:40.240 we love Gilmer, We'll have everything about Gilmer. So it 401 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:43.319