Speaker 1: Great to be with you on another nightcap here on
Speaker 1: seven hundred Wlody of the Reds on All Star Break,
Speaker 1: which means I get to talk to you. And some
Speaker 1: very special people guessed that I have chosen myself for
Speaker 1: this because they just sounded like something that a nightcap
Speaker 1: broadcast would air. And as we continue this evening speaking
Speaker 1: to George Lutz. George Lutz is a gold Star father
Speaker 1: and for most of us, you know what that means.
Speaker 1: Gold star father's, gold star mother's, gold star families. It
Speaker 1: means that they have lost one of their own while
Speaker 1: they were serving our country and defending our freedom. And
Speaker 1: George's story is unique. He has written a book that
Speaker 1: we will get into and talk about. Title is Tragedy
Speaker 1: to tribute one father's grief fuels a passionate journey to
Speaker 1: change the mindset of a nation. And I will say
Speaker 1: as we began, George, and by the way, welcome to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much. Gary. It's an honor to
Speaker 2: be with you today.
Speaker 1: This is all about and originated with the loss of
Speaker 1: your son, George Tony Lutz the second, who was killed
Speaker 1: in Fallujah, Iraq, in December of two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: So it's been almost twenty years now, and you know
Speaker 1: the first question I want to ask you, does the
Speaker 1: pain ever really go away when it comes to the
Speaker 1: loss of your son. Hence, almost twenty years now, my guest,
Speaker 1: my guest would be probably not, But.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, yeah, no, Gary, I will tell you that
Speaker 3: you know at this point, I mean, you know, a
Speaker 3: year later, five years later, ten years later, you know,
Speaker 3: it becomes a scab and it's something that you learn
Speaker 3: to deal with right and you know, anything can trigger it.
Speaker 3: Write a favorite song, you know, a color, a smell
Speaker 3: of finding another, a letter, or you know, anything that
Speaker 3: you know, going to a location where he might have
Speaker 3: been a high school. I mean, there's so many triggers
Speaker 3: that happened. And you know, this is twenty years for me.
Speaker 3: But I will tell you that I have met thousands
Speaker 3: of families now that have been going through it from
Speaker 3: every generation.
Speaker 2: And I will talk.
Speaker 3: To mothers who have lost their their sons in Vietnam,
Speaker 3: and it is something that is always on the edge,
Speaker 3: you know, every single day, because you know what happens.
Speaker 3: If I could paint this picture.
Speaker 2: For you, is that you know when you know, when
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: That you're not going to hear their voice again. And
Speaker 3: when they're not going to walk through that front door again,
Speaker 3: you know, the the memories, the new memories cease at
Speaker 3: that moment. Right, all you have is everything that came
Speaker 3: before that moment. And so the greatest fear of a
Speaker 3: family member is that they're going to forget what they
Speaker 3: look like, what they sounded like. And so you have
Speaker 3: to hold on to everything that came before. And that
Speaker 3: is the it's like being in purgatory, you know, in
Speaker 3: a sense, because you have to keep that top of
Speaker 3: mind all the time. Otherwise that greatest fear is that
Speaker 3: you forget them, and so it never goes away. You've
Speaker 3: and even the family member, like I have five children,
Speaker 3: and so the other children, right will often go, well,
Speaker 3: how come you know we're you know, we we have
Speaker 3: to keep talking about this, you know, you know, you
Speaker 3: know I'm right here, you know, love on me, And
Speaker 3: I go, yeah, but I'm.
Speaker 2: Never going to get another memory of your brother.
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, so go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, you go, that's good.
Speaker 1: That's a good place, all right. I didn't mean to.
Speaker 1: It's not about trying to pick that scab or bring
Speaker 1: the pain back for you. But uh, if you could
Speaker 1: a little bit tell me about Tony. Tell tell me
Speaker 1: about the boy that you raised and fathered and then
Speaker 1: decided to go into the military to serve our country.
Speaker 1: What was he like as a kid in high school
Speaker 1: and as he grew into a man.
Speaker 3: Well, Tony was always competitive, you know, he loved to
Speaker 3: be in there and be competitive athletically.
Speaker 2: You know, he began.
Speaker 3: Running you know, five k's and mile events back when
Speaker 3: he was eleven years old.
Speaker 2: Wow, and every every year.
Speaker 3: From when he was eleven, and you know he continued
Speaker 3: that running weekend after weekend. He played baseball in high school.
Speaker 3: He wasn't the best, but he always wanted to be
Speaker 3: out there competing, and you know, he became the captain
Speaker 3: of the team. He set the record in his high school.
Speaker 3: He went on to be the captain of his college team.
Speaker 3: And you know, always put himself out there. Very very friendly,
Speaker 3: very salesman like, you know, very gregarious. If you walked
Speaker 3: into a he walked into a room, you would know
Speaker 3: his name.
Speaker 2: When he left. Very extroverted.
Speaker 3: But the funny thing as a child, he didn't even
Speaker 3: talk until he was three years old because because his sister,
Speaker 3: who was two years older than him, did all the
Speaker 3: talking for him. So anything that Tony needed, she would
Speaker 3: tell you.
Speaker 2: That he needed.
Speaker 3: Right, Tony wants this, Tony needs this. And so at
Speaker 3: one point he ended up rebelling and I think coming
Speaker 3: out of his shell. And and so you know, fast
Speaker 3: forward nine to eleven happened. Tony was married, had a child,
Speaker 3: and decided that he had a skill set that would make.
Speaker 1: A difference eleven. Nine to eleven then was the catalyst.
Speaker 3: For nine to eleven, was the catalyst for so many
Speaker 3: and he wanted to join the army and he wanted
Speaker 3: to make a difference. He had a very unique skill set.
Speaker 3: He was a very you know, as I said, he
Speaker 3: had he had had a sales mentality, right, so he
Speaker 3: went into this job description called psychological operations, which was.
Speaker 2: A way of winning the enemy.
Speaker 3: Over psychologically right, trying to save lives without bombs, and
Speaker 3: and he was very very good at it. And so
Speaker 3: that that was him as a kid. He he always
Speaker 3: challenged himself. He always put himself others above himself. He
Speaker 3: was he was a man of faith, and you know,
Speaker 3: believe that God was always protecting him. The last conversation
Speaker 3: I had with Hungary was, hey, you know, be careful,
Speaker 3: and he said, you know, God is literally my shield,
Speaker 3: and what should you say to that?
Speaker 1: There's no answer for that. And he's dead on right,
Speaker 1: And I'm glad to know, as as someone who was
Speaker 1: also a believer, I'm glad to know that he had
Speaker 1: that in his life, in his being. And we know
Speaker 1: that he is gone to a place that we all
Speaker 1: aspire to go some day when our time on earth
Speaker 1: is done. He had a child, your grandchild who is now.
Speaker 3: He ended up having two children before he passed. And
Speaker 3: we had a boy and a girl three months old
Speaker 3: and three years old. And uh, so you know they're now,
Speaker 3: you know, in their twenties, right, and both in college
Speaker 3: actually both finished in.
Speaker 2: College, and very proud of them.
Speaker 3: And they've gone on to to have a great life,
Speaker 3: but didn't really know their father. And you know that's
Speaker 3: the tragedy of you know, having a dad gone too soon.
Speaker 1: How is his How is his wife? How does how
Speaker 1: did his wife? Uh and this is a stupid question, probably,
Speaker 1: but how did his wife handle this and deal with it?
Speaker 1: Because it's well, it's awfully hard for a father, for
Speaker 1: a spouse with young children, it's got to be incredibly
Speaker 1: difficult to wrap your head around this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, you know, you know she he was the
Speaker 3: love of her life. And uh, you know, as I say, uh,
Speaker 3: you know one that was very involved as a father
Speaker 3: and a husband, and you know, it was tragic, it
Speaker 3: was were horrific, and you know, luckily she was able
Speaker 3: to move closer to us and Tony's siblings and then
Speaker 3: she eventually remarried to an amazing man and has got
Speaker 3: a really solid life now.
Speaker 2: So it you know, things work out right.
Speaker 3: We go forward, we grieve, we learn to deal, and
Speaker 3: hopefully we make things positive for us.
Speaker 1: We're talking to George Lutz, the author of Tragedy to tribute.
Speaker 1: One father's grief fuels a passionate journey to change the
Speaker 1: mindset of a nation. And when you say change the
Speaker 1: mindset of a nation, a lot of things happened. A
Speaker 1: lot of things happened during nine to eleven to this country.
Speaker 1: We became closer as a nation, at least for a
Speaker 1: little while. We also had a greater respect for the
Speaker 1: men and women who volunteer to wear our uniforms and
Speaker 1: represent us and defend our freedom around the world world
Speaker 1: When they are called, uh, what is happened?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: Let me go ahead, please.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, let's let me let me uh.
Speaker 3: Jump off of that thought, because there's some very real
Speaker 3: statistics involved with that, some of which I just noticed myself.
Speaker 2: And you know have written about.
Speaker 3: But let's take that nine to eleven incident, when on
Speaker 3: nine to twelve we became the most patriotic nation.
Speaker 2: In the world.
Speaker 3: I know, right, you couldn't you couldn't find an American
Speaker 3: flag anywhere to buy because we just scooped them all up,
Speaker 3: and so we went into this this crazy patriotic mode
Speaker 3: for a very short time.
Speaker 2: So this is the way I envision it is that
Speaker 2: on nine.
Speaker 3: To twelve, we couldn't find an American flag. Everybody was patriotic.
Speaker 3: Three months later, those flags were fading a little bit,
Speaker 3: you know, six months later, those flags were tattered, and
Speaker 3: twelve months later there wasn't anybody flying the American flag.
Speaker 2: That wasn't flying it on nine to ten.
Speaker 3: So we quickly moved on because we didn't have any
Speaker 3: stake in the game. You know, we became very patriotic,
Speaker 3: and then we quickly you know, went back to where
Speaker 3: we were and moved on, you know, as everybody does
Speaker 3: in every situation, and so I realized, you know, when
Speaker 3: when my son died, that I was part of that apathy.
Speaker 3: You know, I was this typical American who flew an
Speaker 3: American flag. But you know, I wasn't any more patriotic
Speaker 3: than the next person. I wasn't thinking about sacrifice. I
Speaker 3: wasn't doing anything any more than anybody else was. You know,
Speaker 3: Memorial Day was a picnic.
Speaker 2: You know day to me.
Speaker 3: And so after he died, when I actually had skin
Speaker 3: in the game, I became the super patriot.
Speaker 2: Right. I got the biggest.
Speaker 3: Flag pole I could put in my yard, with the
Speaker 3: biggest flag I could put on it. And I think
Speaker 3: that that's the way most Americans are. You've heard the
Speaker 3: statistics that less than one percent of Americans are serving, right,
Speaker 3: there's a very few number of us that are actually
Speaker 3: enlisting and putting their names, you know, on the dotted line. Recently,
Speaker 3: I went to a conference of veterans of veterans, you know,
Speaker 3: appointed veterans in charge of veterans affairs and leadership in
Speaker 3: all fifty states, and I kind of unofficially pulled them
Speaker 3: and asked, well, how many people really are connected? Because
Speaker 3: I want to know what that universe looks like out there.
Speaker 3: And basically from got I got from a consensus of
Speaker 3: this group who represent veterans all over America, that it's
Speaker 3: probably about eight percent that actually include veterans, you know,
Speaker 3: include all of those who would be connected, you know,
Speaker 3: somehow to a military relationship.
Speaker 2: Eight percent.
Speaker 3: I mean that was you know, kind of an evangelistic number.
Speaker 3: And so I'm thinking, let's make it ten percent. That
Speaker 3: there's ninety percent of Americans who really don't get it right.
Speaker 3: You really don't understand.
Speaker 2: What sacrifice means.
Speaker 3: And I've seen some polls recently that show between fifty
Speaker 3: and eighty percent of Americans don't know what Memorial Day
Speaker 3: is for. So if you have over half the country
Speaker 3: who doesn't know what Memorial Day is for, and you
Speaker 3: have ninety percent of them who have no military connection,
Speaker 3: then there's a lot of education that we could be
Speaker 3: doing out there to make people recognize that two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty years of freedom doesn't come without two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty.
Speaker 2: Years of sacrifice.
Speaker 3: And we need to be letting families know an American
Speaker 3: citizens know that there's men and women willing.
Speaker 2: To give their lives so that your.
Speaker 3: Family doesn't have to and the least that we can
Speaker 3: do is appreciate that. And how do we appreciate it?
Speaker 2: You know, I.
Speaker 3: Believe that the creation of the honor Or Member flag
Speaker 3: and my journey, which started after Tony's death, is probably
Speaker 3: the most public facing community effort to get everybody sending
Speaker 3: a message off the same page to every family in
Speaker 3: America who has ever lost someone in a way that
Speaker 3: says thank you. And this is why this mission that
Speaker 3: I'm on is so important.
Speaker 1: I believe it's very important too, especially right now. People
Speaker 1: keep on citing the fact that our nation's never been
Speaker 1: more divided on it like, well, wait a minute, we
Speaker 1: did fight a civil war and split up for about
Speaker 1: four and a half bloody years at which is where
Speaker 1: Memorial Day originated. So I don't know if if this
Speaker 1: nation is really that divided, but I I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think the education of the nation about what sacrifice
Speaker 1: really means is the most important message that someone like
Speaker 1: you and anybody else who believes it can spread. That's
Speaker 1: very powerful. Two hundred and fifty years of freedom does
Speaker 1: not come without two hundred and fifty years of sacrifice. Now, well,
Speaker 1: military enrollment has been on the rise in the last
Speaker 1: six months, and I don't think that that's any real
Speaker 1: surprise seeing the you know, the the differences in commanders
Speaker 1: in chief that we have witnessed. Is there anything else
Speaker 1: while we have a few minutes, George Lutz, that you
Speaker 1: would like people listening to to know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, So the Honor Member flag, we didn't you know,
Speaker 3: talking in detail about it. Really what the story is about, Gary,
Speaker 3: It's leaving a legacy of remembrance in this country that
Speaker 3: would unify this country in a way.
Speaker 2: That they've never seen before.
Speaker 3: A tangible symbol that I hoped would become one of
Speaker 3: the most recognizable symbols in America because we can't fly
Speaker 3: our US stars and stripes without the lives given right,
Speaker 3: so that sacrifice component.
Speaker 2: And so for the last.
Speaker 3: Eighteen years, I've been working on making this flag recognizable
Speaker 3: and getting it on flagpoles and getting it seen and
Speaker 3: so over the course of those years, this flag has
Speaker 3: been legislated in twenty nine states to be the official
Speaker 3: state symbol of remembrance. That's a well over half the country.
Speaker 3: We have a federal bill out there in the House
Speaker 3: of Representatives HR thirteen sixty three that would make this
Speaker 3: if if passed the official federal symbol of remembrance, and
Speaker 3: it's something that we are you know, diligently working on,
Speaker 3: you know, and those listening can be a part of that.
Speaker 3: You know, you're in the Ohio area, right the state
Speaker 3: of the state of of Ohio is not one of
Speaker 3: our twenty nine states. So if there's anybody listening that
Speaker 3: you know has any influence, you know, in the legislation there,
Speaker 3: you know, we would love to see Ohio. You know,
Speaker 3: Ohio lost thousands, you know, of sons and daughters over
Speaker 3: the years, and we would love to see Ohio on board.
Speaker 3: But there's so many things that are so important. If
Speaker 3: those listening have a flagpole, you know, at their home,
Speaker 3: at their business, at their church, you know, put an
Speaker 3: ID to Remember flag up there, and let's make a
Speaker 3: statement that hey, I do want to recognize those lives,
Speaker 3: and I want to send a message to those families.
Speaker 2: That I might not.
Speaker 3: Now, these are all important ways that they can get
Speaker 3: involved in sending this message and appreciating write their neighbors
Speaker 3: who have given loved ones for freedom's cause.
Speaker 1: George incredible. I just loved having you on the show.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that we decided to do this and thank
Speaker 1: you for your time and great success with your mission
Speaker 1: and with the book.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, you know, tragedy toottribute, dot org or
Speaker 3: honor and remember dot org is where they can find
Speaker 3: out more and we would love everyone's support.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the time.
Speaker 1: Gary, you Bet, thank you, sir. As I mentioned before
Speaker 1: the break, if you're a parent or a grandparent, or
Speaker 1: you're a young person and you're coming up in this
Speaker 1: crazy world in which we live, this is an important
Speaker 1: conversation I think to have for people to understand and
Speaker 1: point to another very important conversation or podcast that's occurring
Speaker 1: tomorrow afternoon at four o'clock, and we'll tell you how
Speaker 1: to sign up for that. As we continue with our discussion,
Speaker 1: we have Bill McGrain of McGrain Global Centers and Jim
Speaker 1: Twoman of Jim Twuman and Associates. And let me just
Speaker 1: first say that both of these gentlemen have a long
Speaker 1: and successful career and talking to youth and talking to
Speaker 1: the people who are raising our next generation, and I
Speaker 1: want to welcome you both to the program. First, all right, Hi, Bill,
Speaker 1: Hi Jay, Hi.
Speaker 2: Thanks. Well.
Speaker 1: First and foremost, let's talk about your history. Bill, I
Speaker 1: was looking at some of the material you sent me,
Speaker 1: and you said you started doing this kind of speaking
Speaker 1: at the age of sixteen.
Speaker 4: Yes, so how so.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 5: My parents started the McGrain Institute, and I grew up
Speaker 5: around it, thinking that most people knew these things.
Speaker 2: That I took for granted.
Speaker 5: And then I discover that God gave me a unique
Speaker 5: gift to know how to help people get from where
Speaker 5: they are to live they want to be. So I
Speaker 5: developed a program. I did research on what are the
Speaker 5: needs of young people, and out of that came a
Speaker 5: class that we have now been doing called Get High
Speaker 5: in Life with Self Esteem. It's been done thousands of
Speaker 5: times and school systems and church ministries and public school
Speaker 5: systems and.
Speaker 4: Literally around the world.
Speaker 5: And what we discovered is that many children are unhappy.
Speaker 5: They're depressed, they're abused, they don't like school, they feel
Speaker 5: left out and bullied, and they oftentimes are feeling shut down.
Speaker 5: They seem disinterested, and oftentimes they're suicidal. And so you
Speaker 5: never know how the death of someone can impact your life.
Speaker 5: One of our graduates by the name of Michael Wickett,
Speaker 5: a very famous speaker who died about three weeks ago
Speaker 5: or so. I was in Michigan for the funeral, and
Speaker 5: I met Jim Tuman, who I've heard about through Michael
Speaker 5: Wickett for many years, but we've never met each other.
Speaker 5: And so through a funeral. You know, God uses great
Speaker 5: things in many ways. We don't realize the.
Speaker 3: Impact that can happen.
Speaker 5: So as I was there in meeting Jim Tuman, who's
Speaker 5: literally spoken to millions of people and young people around
Speaker 5: the world. He'll talk in just a minute. But when
Speaker 5: we met each other, we found the common denominator, which
Speaker 5: then caused us to want to help more parents, more people,
Speaker 5: to influence young people, whether it's a school system or
Speaker 5: just young people themselves, to equip them for life. And
Speaker 5: so Jim and I decided that we're going to do
Speaker 5: this webinar tomorrow, July the sixteenth and four pm Eastern,
Speaker 5: And that's what got us connected.
Speaker 1: All right, Jim, for your for your part of Jim
Speaker 1: Tioman and Associates, you were involved and started something called
Speaker 1: Jimmy's Kids. Talk to me about that a little bit
Speaker 1: if you.
Speaker 6: Would, well, let me back up a little bit. Jimmy's
Speaker 6: Kids is my charity that is in its thirty seventh
Speaker 6: year and we've served you know, indigen families and youth
Speaker 6: of risk and everything. Now we've reached a milestone of
Speaker 6: half a million that we reach and we have spread
Speaker 6: this and everything. But my work as a speaker started
Speaker 6: when I went on my mission. I'm a product of
Speaker 6: three suicide attempts in high school. I was at the
Speaker 6: wealthiest high school in the country, Starsdale, New York, and
Speaker 6: I attempted to take.
Speaker 2: My life three times.
Speaker 6: And I realized the loneliness of kids and how difficult
Speaker 6: it is for kids to connect, and kids only what
Speaker 6: they want to be is that they want they want
Speaker 6: people to not just care about them, but they want people,
Speaker 6: you know, to accept them and especially their friends.
Speaker 2: So I went on a journey.
Speaker 6: I've spoken to.
Speaker 3: Two million, two million.
Speaker 6: Kids in more than two thousand schools in every state
Speaker 6: and eleven foreign countries. I've been honored by you know,
Speaker 6: about fifty or more you know, uh, you know, between
Speaker 6: presidents and senators and world leaders. And I have the
Speaker 6: tbspity documentary on my life. I was on OPRAH and
Speaker 6: Good Morning America and The Today Show, and the list
Speaker 6: goes on.
Speaker 3: But I.
Speaker 6: Wanted so much to see suicide you know, you know,
Speaker 6: be in the back back burner, and it was swept
Speaker 6: under the carpet when I first started, and now it's
Speaker 6: the number one killer of kids. And so we have
Speaker 6: by not talking about it, which is so important for
Speaker 6: Bill and I, by not talking about it, by not
Speaker 6: trying to give answers to people who are struggling with
Speaker 6: their children. And we want people to have answers. We
Speaker 6: want people to know the signs. We want people to
Speaker 6: not you know, not be in the dark about this
Speaker 6: because kids these days are great masters. They they go
Speaker 6: up into their room, they close the door, and that's
Speaker 6: the last parent see of them.
Speaker 7: Most most days.
Speaker 6: And I have been I have built this ability to
Speaker 6: connect with kids, and my programs are very emotional and
Speaker 6: it's I have been very proud of the successes that
Speaker 6: we have had over the years and given the fact
Speaker 6: that you know, we're still out there. And also I
Speaker 6: worked with school shooting and I came back from Columbine,
Speaker 6: which was really the first major school.
Speaker 3: Shooting, yes, and a reporter asked me, is this.
Speaker 6: Going to be a one and done And I said no,
Speaker 6: I said, this is going to be the beginning of
Speaker 6: an onslaught. And I didn't want to be right, and
Speaker 6: unfortunately That's what exactly what's happened. Because the kids at
Speaker 6: Columbine were being picked on, they were being bullied, and
Speaker 6: they felt that the only way to turn this thing
Speaker 6: around was to do it violently, and that set off
Speaker 6: this old you know series that we are living with
Speaker 6: today and scared to death.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, gentlemen, and you point
Speaker 1: out Columbine in the school shootings, and how we've obviously
Speaker 1: since that time in the mid nineties, have seen an
Speaker 1: onslaught of those around the country. We growing up as
Speaker 1: I did, and you know, as a kid and a
Speaker 1: young kid in the nineteen sixties in nineteen seventies, we
Speaker 1: experienced I experienced bullying all the time. But the last
Speaker 1: thing I thought of was, you know, going bringing a
Speaker 1: gun in, shooting my classmates or my teachers. What changed
Speaker 1: do you think from from that point?
Speaker 6: I mean I could I could tell you what really changed.
Speaker 6: What changed was now, give me a perfect example, when
Speaker 6: most of us were in school and somebody said to you,
Speaker 6: you look back and you you you didn't get into
Speaker 6: a retaliatory situation. You just felt sad, or you felt
Speaker 6: not accepted or whatever. In the bigger picture. You know,
Speaker 6: now with social media, people could reach you without you
Speaker 6: even knowing who it is and destroy your life. And
Speaker 6: so people get angrier and angry or and angry. And
Speaker 6: people are living with a volcanic mindset and when they explode,
Speaker 6: that's what they do to retaliate. And it's an unfortunate way.
Speaker 6: But we we have a climate that is, you know,
Speaker 6: filled with a lot of hate and you know, and
Speaker 6: that has created a lot of the thought processes, you know,
Speaker 6: and I'm a big proponent of because when the shootings happen,
Speaker 6: you know, most people want to know the motive. I
Speaker 6: want to know what the climate is in their particular
Speaker 6: you know, situation, so that you can understand what they're
Speaker 6: dealing with.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You mentioned suicide the leading cause, but according to even
Speaker 1: the CDC figures that I pulled up, suicide is the
Speaker 1: second leading cause of death for individuals age ten to
Speaker 1: thirty four in the United States, and for those age
Speaker 1: ten to twenty four, suicide accounts for fifteen percent of
Speaker 1: all suicides, which just as astounding. In twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: according to the CDC's Youth Risk Behavior Survey, more than
Speaker 1: twenty percent of high school students reportedly seriously considered suicide
Speaker 1: in the past year, and nine point five percent reported
Speaker 1: attempting that suicide. That's just shocking. Well, whether it's the
Speaker 1: leading cause or the second leading cause among youth and America,
Speaker 1: it just it blows my mind. And you're right, it's
Speaker 1: not talked about enough, and you can't look at just
Speaker 1: environmental factors. You know, during in twenty twenty two, the
Speaker 1: suicide rate was slightly down, which surprised me because we
Speaker 1: were in the middle of the COVID pandemic when isolation
Speaker 1: was at its highest and people were relying on social
Speaker 1: media and whatever to connect with people. And I would
Speaker 1: have think that, you know, people want to blame COVID,
Speaker 1: or people want to blame people who are still blaming
Speaker 1: COVID for society's ills, and I think that's a little
Speaker 1: bit too easy. They don't want to get to the
Speaker 1: root of the real problem. Am I right on that?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 5: I think one of the things that happens is that
Speaker 5: many parents want to be friends to their children instead
Speaker 5: of to be parents.
Speaker 3: And so we've seen in our society.
Speaker 5: Today where young people are not being prepared for life.
Speaker 5: And that's what Jim and I are really all about,
Speaker 5: is solutions to the problems because it's easy to talk
Speaker 5: about the problems, it's more challenging to find as solutions.
Speaker 5: And that's how come we're doing this webinar tomorrow is
Speaker 5: to give people the tools to understand what they can
Speaker 5: do as an individual, as a parent, as a school advisor,
Speaker 5: anyone involved in helping young people, including young people, because
Speaker 5: until we get to the solution, it's all just more conversation.
Speaker 5: And that's what we're so passionate about is changing that
Speaker 5: circumstance around. When parents take their responsibility, when leaders take
Speaker 5: their responsibility, and we prepare young people for life, then
Speaker 5: those solutions to commit suicide aren't even a consideration because
Speaker 5: they've been prepared for it. You know, my parents had
Speaker 5: a very simple thing that they taught us, and that
Speaker 5: is talk about issues with their children before their issues,
Speaker 5: because when they're issues, they're not going to listen to you.
Speaker 5: But if you prepare them in advance, knowing what's going
Speaker 5: to come, it's going to make a huge difference in
Speaker 5: the way they behave and how they turn out as adults.
Speaker 1: So it starts very very early with this. And you know, you, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: you both know as well as I do that We
Speaker 1: have a large problem with kids who don't have active parents,
Speaker 1: or maybe they're only one parent or the home, or
Speaker 1: that there's no You see it all the time in
Speaker 1: certain communities where there's just no parent there. What do
Speaker 1: we do about that?
Speaker 8: Well, we need to get We need to get and
Speaker 8: I spent my entire career, you know, listening to kids' voices.
Speaker 6: We need to hear from the source. Just get experts
Speaker 6: you know that you know, virtually talk about you know,
Speaker 6: what their theory is. We need to hear the source
Speaker 6: of kids. And kids have been you know, maligned in
Speaker 6: terms of having a voice. And I remember at the
Speaker 6: Parkland and you know in Florida. Yeah, there were all
Speaker 6: these kids that wanted to turn around and help you know,
Speaker 6: deal with the.
Speaker 4: Gun laws, or deal with you know, meeting.
Speaker 6: With legislators, or just have their voice you know heard,
Speaker 6: and they got they got so torn by so many people,
Speaker 6: and they parts of them gave up. There's a couple
Speaker 6: that still are out and you know, talking about this.
Speaker 6: But kids' voices were you know, for me, the greatest
Speaker 6: opportunity to get understanding of what they deal with.
Speaker 2: And how they deal with this.
Speaker 6: I once did a radio show where I shifted you know,
Speaker 6: the both situations. I had kids be the moderator and
Speaker 6: parents pulling, so I shifted it from you know, some
Speaker 6: experts made the kids the moderates and it was so successful,
Speaker 6: went on for years and parents got so much information
Speaker 6: that they didn't know because, as they said, kids are
Speaker 6: great at masking.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, uh, get High on Life with Self Esteem? Bill, Uh,
Speaker 1: that's that's your your pet project. President of the Green
Speaker 1: Global Centers, Jim Twoman and associates, and tell me about
Speaker 1: We have just a I'm sorry, a minuscule of time
Speaker 1: left here, so Bill, tell me again where people can
Speaker 1: find the podcast tomorrow at four o'clock. If they're interested
Speaker 1: in finding some answers to help their kids and help
Speaker 1: the next generation.
Speaker 5: Sure, so, they can go to McGrain dot com forward
Speaker 5: slash g h o L, which stands for Get High
Speaker 5: on Life. It's mc g r n E dot com
Speaker 5: forward slash g h o L and there they can
Speaker 5: find out about the webinar the podcast it's going to
Speaker 5: be happening Wednesday, July sixteenth at four pm Eastern time, yep.
Speaker 5: And they can also find out about the Get High
Speaker 5: in Life youth program that's going to be happening on Monday,
Speaker 5: July twenty first in College in Cold Springs, Kentucky. They
Speaker 5: can also call for information at eight five nine four
Speaker 5: six two seventy nine to nine.
Speaker 4: Again that's McGrain.
Speaker 5: Dot com forward slash g h O L.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you gentlemen so much. I think it's
Speaker 1: very important what you're doing, and it's something that we
Speaker 1: need to address because these people are gonna be us
Speaker 1: someday and we want to make sure that they've got
Speaker 1: a good, solid foundation for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1: It's so so crucial. Thank you again to both of.
Speaker 6: You and Bill and I hope that what we share
Speaker 6: will save a light.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you very much, gentlemen. The Nightcap continues.
Speaker 1: We will switch gears. kN Silva will be on to
Speaker 1: talk about Oklahoma City, Yeah that thirty years ago and
Speaker 1: more on the Nightcap. Welcome back to the Nightcap on
Speaker 1: seven hundred W LW Garry Jeff Walker on this Tuesday night,
Speaker 1: the All Star Break on the Reds back in action
Speaker 1: on Friday night. Last Saturday evening on a special Nightcap,
Speaker 1: I had my friend Matt Monning on, who is very
Speaker 1: well aware with events that led up to April of
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, the Oklahoma City bombing, still to this
Speaker 1: day the deadliest domestic terrorist act so called in America's history,
Speaker 1: at the Alfred pim Or a federal building in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1: And for those of us who are around and cognizant
Speaker 1: of the news back then, you remember it, perhaps, But
Speaker 1: it was a riveting conversation and it opened my eyes
Speaker 1: to a lot of things that a lot of Americans
Speaker 1: either don't know or don't believe or can't believe about
Speaker 1: our intelligence agencies, people that we pay taxpayer dollars being
Speaker 1: involved at a level in what led up to the
Speaker 1: bombing and the aftermath and cover up of what actually
Speaker 1: happened and why it happened. That I just, man, it's
Speaker 1: frightening to me, and perhaps you will find it such.
Speaker 1: But Matt directed me to a man named Ken Silva,
Speaker 1: who was a writer. He is the editor of Headline USA,
Speaker 1: and he has worked closely with a man named Jesse
Speaker 1: Trinidou over the years. He's written several articles on this subject,
Speaker 1: and I thought it'd be great to have him on
Speaker 1: for a little bit fuller explanation in the time that
Speaker 1: we have. So Ken Silva. Welcome to the show. How
Speaker 1: are you.
Speaker 9: Oh, I'm doing well. I'm looking forward to this conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So let's go back to April of nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 1: Timothy McVeigh later being we're being told as the lone
Speaker 1: bomber the domestic terry with an accomplised named Terry Nichols,
Speaker 1: who is still alive and still in prison. But we
Speaker 1: were told at the time from news reports, as I remember,
Speaker 1: about a John Doe number two that was seen get
Speaker 1: out of the van with Timothy McVeigh on that fateful day,
Speaker 1: and then later on they said, no, there's no there's
Speaker 1: no John Doe number two, But there actually was. I'm told,
Speaker 1: can you explain to me why Jesse Trenid has been
Speaker 1: so active over the last thirty years and will not
Speaker 1: let the federal government go on this issue? Ken?
Speaker 2: Sure? Sure?
Speaker 9: So yeah, as you say, John Do two definitely existed,
Speaker 9: And we know this because there were at least twenty
Speaker 9: two eyewitnesses who saw him with McVeigh on the morning
Speaker 9: of April nineteenth. Those witnesses were used to make a
Speaker 9: composite sketches of McVay and John Do two. They're used
Speaker 9: to identify McVeigh. But then once the DOJ decided that, well,
Speaker 9: you know, this is getting too complicated, we want to
Speaker 9: pin it solely on McVay, they didn't call any of
Speaker 9: those witnesses for mcveigh's trial. Instead, they just called, you know,
Speaker 9: mostly of victims who described, you know, what a devastating
Speaker 9: attack it was, but they didn't really have a witness testimony.
Speaker 9: So you asked why Jesse Trenidou cares about this so much.
Speaker 9: And we believe that Jesse's brother, who was murdered in
Speaker 9: prison in ninety five, there's a confluence of evidence that
Speaker 9: suggests that he was killed in a mistaken a case
Speaker 9: of mistaken identity. They possibly thought he was John do
Speaker 9: two or another one of mcveigh's accomplices. And as you said,
Speaker 9: Jesse's been suing the FBI and the DOJ for nearly
Speaker 9: thirty years now for records that would prove him correct.
Speaker 9: And the latest story I wrote for the Federalists a
Speaker 9: couple months ago is about how Trump's DOJ continues to
Speaker 9: stonewall him on this. There was actually, i think the
Speaker 9: Deputy Attorney General at the time, a guy named Jacob Roth,
Speaker 9: personally opposed a motion to an unsealed deposition by an
Speaker 9: FBI and foremant who saw McVeigh and the run up
Speaker 9: to the attacks. So, yeah, thirty years later and the
Speaker 9: cover up continues.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, it's not that astounding that the
Speaker 1: cover up would continue by these official You know, I
Speaker 1: thought we were going to get more transparency during the
Speaker 1: Trump administration. That's what we were all led to believe.
Speaker 1: It's what I voted for, part of what I voted
Speaker 1: for anyway, from the FBI and the DOJ on Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 1: on JFK, RFK, MLK, and yet crickets so far, And
Speaker 1: it's been a big point of contention just in the
Speaker 1: last week or so, and arguments have ensued from Dan
Speaker 1: Bongino and a riff with Pam Bondy who's the new
Speaker 1: Attorney General, about the Epstein files, when she stated clearly
Speaker 1: she had the file on her desk and we were
Speaker 1: going to know as soon as they could unseal all
Speaker 1: of that and we'd have the client list, and yet nothing.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't surprise me because many of us are
Speaker 1: still waiting more than sixty years to find out what
Speaker 1: really happened in Dallas and d Lee Plaza November twenty second,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, with the assassination of John F.
Speaker 2: Kennedy.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just seems like they've got a great,
Speaker 1: big track record history all along the last sixty years
Speaker 1: or plus of not being forward with the American people,
Speaker 1: and I wonder why that is.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 9: Trump's response about the Epstein scandal was particularly troubling. He's,
Speaker 9: you know, kind of lashed out at a reporter and saying,
Speaker 9: why are you still asking me about this? Epstein's been
Speaker 9: dead for over five years now, but there are hundreds
Speaker 9: and hundreds of victims who are totally unaccounted for. And
Speaker 9: we know this because the DOJ issued a memo saying
Speaker 9: Epstein didn't black mail anybody, he didn't have any clients,
Speaker 9: and he definitely killed himself. That same memo discloses that
Speaker 9: he had over one thousand victims, which is very telling
Speaker 9: because in all the civil lawsuits and all the settlements,
Speaker 9: there are only about two hundred victims who collect it.
Speaker 9: So where are these missing eight hundred victims? And if
Speaker 9: Trump doesn't care about this, then it's particularly telling for
Speaker 9: not very hopeful for OKC, which is, you know, twenty
Speaker 9: five years older than the Epstein scandal, and I'm wondering
Speaker 9: what he make a similar comment, like, oh, those nineteen
Speaker 9: dead babies from the dead daycare. Nobody cares about that
Speaker 9: because it happened so long ago. That certainly seems to
Speaker 9: be the attitude coming from the administration.
Speaker 1: But it's not just the attitude of this administration, which
Speaker 1: we hoped and I voted for, would be different than
Speaker 1: the ones that had come before. I mean, President Trump
Speaker 1: has been pretty good about his track record up to
Speaker 1: that point about keeping campaign promises. Why this one is
Speaker 1: it because he may be afraid that the same people
Speaker 1: who got to John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King Junior are going to get to him. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're worried about Iranian death squads targeting the president. What
Speaker 1: about from within? What's what's the real danger from within
Speaker 1: from these clandestine intelligence agencies. That's what boggles my mind
Speaker 1: and frightens me.
Speaker 9: Well, I certainly think you might be onto something there.
Speaker 9: I've never seen Trump mishandle an issue this badly. I mean,
Speaker 9: he he kind of ticks off the left all the time,
Speaker 9: but usually, you know, even Operation Warp Speed, he didn't
Speaker 9: really get into too much trouble.
Speaker 2: With his base.
Speaker 9: But now you know, they're not having it, and he
Speaker 9: seems to be doubling down, which does raise questions. You know,
Speaker 9: who is he trying to protect? You know, Trump's name
Speaker 9: has been associated with Epstein for decades. He kind of
Speaker 9: famously kicked Epstein out.
Speaker 2: Of mar A Lago.
Speaker 9: I think this was around maybe two thousand and eight
Speaker 9: because Epstein was hitting on somebody else's daughter. They're according
Speaker 9: to the journalist Michael Wolfs, Epstein believed that Trump was
Speaker 9: actually the one to report him to the FEDS in
Speaker 9: the first place in two thousand and five for like
Speaker 9: a petty reason. Apparently Epstein bought a mansion out from
Speaker 9: others under Trump, and they've actually kind of been butting
Speaker 9: heads for years leading up to Epstein's death. And so,
Speaker 9: you know, why is Trump doing this? I don't know,
Speaker 9: but you know, the facts are the facts. There's eight
Speaker 9: over eight hundred victims who are unaccounted for, and I
Speaker 9: don't really care what his excuses. We need total disclosure.
Speaker 1: Right, Let's get back to Jesse trying to do as
Speaker 1: you said, He's been battling the government, the FBI, the DOJ,
Speaker 1: in court now for almost thirty years, and he has won,
Speaker 1: he has won some court cases against them, and they
Speaker 1: were supposed to disclose the information that they had and
Speaker 1: it's been coming in little drips and drops and not
Speaker 1: what the judge ordered as far as the disclosure disclosure there.
Speaker 1: What can you tell me about that, Ken Silba?
Speaker 9: Yeah, And I heard Officer Moni talk about this on
Speaker 9: Saturday night and he really hit the nail on the
Speaker 9: head in terms of the DOJ just trying to wait
Speaker 9: out Jesse, who I think might be eighty years old now.
Speaker 9: So he initially sued the DOJ for surveillance footage of
Speaker 9: the bombing. I think this is like two thousand and five.
Speaker 9: He initially files the lawsuit. The case drags on for years.
Speaker 9: The FBI, Secret Service DOJ all says that no footage
Speaker 9: the bombing exists, but they're contradicted by numerous records, including
Speaker 9: a Secret Service timeline that talks about you know, quote
Speaker 9: unsub one in unsubbed two leave the rider truck. That's
Speaker 9: unidentified subjects. So there's two people in the Secret Service records.
Speaker 9: There was an FBI agent who actually reportedly tried to
Speaker 9: sell footage of the bombing to a local news station.
Speaker 9: He wound up being investigated. All that stuff got buried.
Speaker 9: We don't know whatever happened to that, but there's hundreds
Speaker 9: and hundreds of records suggesting that the surveillance footage is real.
Speaker 7: This case goes to.
Speaker 9: Trial in twenty fourteen, the only FOIA case in my
Speaker 9: knowledge to ever actually go to trial, because usually if
Speaker 9: the FBI says we don't have records, the judge just
Speaker 9: accepts that as backed and tosses the case. So they
Speaker 9: have the trial, and one of Trinideu's witnesses is this
Speaker 9: FBI informant who says that he saw McVeigh with another
Speaker 9: kind of mysterious figure who's hooked up with intelligence agency's
Speaker 9: name Andrea Strassmeier. The FBI informant saw mcvahan Strassmeyer together
Speaker 9: and the lead up to the bombing. He's about to
Speaker 9: testify about all this for trying to do, except he
Speaker 9: backs out on the night before. He tells Jesse that, well,
Speaker 9: the FBI is threatening me, saying, if you testify, you're
Speaker 9: going to wind up another homeless Vietnam veteran. We're going
Speaker 9: to make sure you lose your VA benefits. We're going
Speaker 9: to ruin your life. So he backs out and Jesse
Speaker 9: files a witness tampering complaint, and to the judge's credit,
Speaker 9: the judge appointed a separate judge who's referred to as
Speaker 9: a Special Master to investigate these witness tampering allegations. And
Speaker 9: that's what's been going on behind closed doors for the
Speaker 9: last ten years. This is a ten year you're running
Speaker 9: investigation into the FBI, threatening the witness, and there's gag
Speaker 9: orders on all parties. That's all the proceedings are taking
Speaker 9: place behind closed doors. So we don't really know what's
Speaker 9: going on, other than to say this is like the
Speaker 9: most astounding Foyer case in the history of the country,
Speaker 9: and it's just a huge scandal is brewing.
Speaker 1: So Jesse truly believes that his brother was murdered in
Speaker 1: prison because they thought he was John Doe number two
Speaker 1: and they didn't need that extra collateral witness to what
Speaker 1: really occurred that day and what led up to the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City bombing. I mean, what's the point as Matt
Speaker 1: was alluding to he said that Kenny try to do
Speaker 1: Jesse's brother. They actually tried to say that he killed
Speaker 1: himself too, when he was obviously murdered. What do you
Speaker 1: know about that? Ken?
Speaker 2: H oh?
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I mean people whould go to Kenneth trynado dot com
Speaker 9: and see the picture of Kenneth's body. He was clearly
Speaker 9: tortured to death. I think he has even has bruises
Speaker 9: on like the soles of his feet. I think he
Speaker 9: even like injected him with caffeine to heightened pain.
Speaker 2: Really egregious stuff.
Speaker 9: And Jesse won a million dollar judgment for I think
Speaker 9: wrongful death and that kind of just angered him further
Speaker 9: and he used a lot of that capital to fund
Speaker 9: these lawsuits that he's been pursuing for the last twenty years.
Speaker 9: Why did they murdered Kenny because they thought he was involved? Yeah,
Speaker 9: they could have been tying up loose ends. They they
Speaker 9: could have. It could have been an interrogation gone wrong.
Speaker 9: Those A similar case happened in your parts in the
Speaker 9: Cincinnati area, a guy named Richard Lee Guthrie who was
Speaker 9: also tied to the Aryan bank robbers and McVeigh. He
Speaker 9: was telling people that he was going to blow the
Speaker 9: lid off of Oklahoma City and give an interview to
Speaker 9: the La Times. And he also was found in I
Speaker 9: think Covington Kentucky prison supposedly committed suicide. So many such
Speaker 9: cases when it comes to Oklahoma City and other of
Speaker 9: these strange, you know, deep state conspiracy type issues.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's body was not from from what I understand,
Speaker 1: not conducive with the suicide either. This seems to be
Speaker 1: a common thread that runs through and might involve the
Speaker 1: FBI and CIA or some other like I said, darker
Speaker 1: intelligence agency working within the United States federal government. Your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 9: The the New York Medical Examiner ruled Epstein's death as
Speaker 9: a suicide, but they hire the family hired a separate
Speaker 9: examiner to conduct his own autopsy, and he found that
Speaker 9: Epstein had three broken bones. I think that suggest that
Speaker 9: somebody actually strangled and the death apparently these types of
Speaker 9: bone breaks are very rare if you just hang yourself.
Speaker 9: And also if you look at the prison photos, apparently
Speaker 9: Epstein's body was found in a seated position and the
Speaker 9: noose was tied to his neck and to the top
Speaker 9: bunk of his bed. And they're claiming that he just
Speaker 9: sat down and his butt was like an inch off
Speaker 9: the floor, and so he wasn't like hanging from the ceiling.
Speaker 9: He just sat down and went to sleep. And I
Speaker 9: don't think anybody but you'd have to be a pretty
Speaker 9: tough guy to be able to kill yourself that way,
Speaker 9: to not just get up as soon as you start,
Speaker 9: you know, panicking and grasping for air.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ken, tell me about Headline USA. People can find
Speaker 1: you there is that, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, HEADLINEUSA dot com. That's we've got all of what
Speaker 9: we just discussed, cutting edge reports, Jeffrey Epstein, the Oklahoma
Speaker 9: City bombing. We've also working on a number of big
Speaker 9: projects as far as it goes with the Trump assassination attempts.
Speaker 1: All right, you know what. Let's well, yeah, we didn't
Speaker 1: even get into that. Yeah, well, we'll save that for
Speaker 1: another time. I do have some opportunities coming up, and
Speaker 1: we'll get together and see if you can be available again.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Ken Silva from Headline USA. A follow up
Speaker 1: to last Saturday Night and still no answers. Hopefully we'll
Speaker 1: find them along the way somewhere up Next, we change
Speaker 1: gears a little bit old radio. Rick Washburn will join
Speaker 1: us to talk about the late Madman months as we
Speaker 1: roll along on this night cap on this Tuesday, July fifteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, we flashed back with our friend old
Speaker 1: Radio Rick. It's more great American history on the radio
Speaker 1: and consumer electronics and TV and one of the pioneers
Speaker 1: of that explored a few weeks ago, my friend Rick Washburn,
Speaker 1: Old Radio. Rick had reference to guy named mad Man
Speaker 1: Months and I kind of vaguely remember the name as
Speaker 1: someone who's always been fascinated by TV and radio. And
Speaker 1: Rick said, you know, we had to do some digging
Speaker 1: into the mad Man sometimes about what an amazingly crazy
Speaker 1: and creative career he had and was a real pioneer
Speaker 1: in many ways. So, with no further ado, you old
Speaker 1: Radio Rick himself. How you doing, Ricky? Hey, I'm doing awesome.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, No, no, thanks for being had
Speaker 1: as always. Now, how how did we get to talking
Speaker 1: about mad Men Months in the first place? On sad morning,
Speaker 1: I forget.
Speaker 10: Well, it was because I referenced a radio that had
Speaker 10: very minimal parts in it and suggested, oh my gosh,
Speaker 10: this reminded me of a month's TV. But that's getting
Speaker 10: a little ahead of myself, and I won't droven on
Speaker 10: too much with this, but as you said, this is
Speaker 10: Earl William Muntz who was born in January third, nineteen fourteen,
Speaker 10: and he started out selling used cars, and I love
Speaker 10: this story. He opened his first car lot in Elgin, Illinois.
Speaker 10: He started with only a five hundred dollars credit line
Speaker 10: of credit, which today's about twelve grand. And he was
Speaker 10: only twenty years old. So every time he sold a car,
Speaker 10: his mom had to come and sign all the paperwork.
Speaker 7: In the thirty ye had to pay twenty one.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. He's selling somebody a car and his mom,
Speaker 1: I sold another one. Come sign the paperwork because my
Speaker 1: my signature, my signature is not legal yet. That's crazy.
Speaker 10: A few years later, he went to California discovered that
Speaker 10: the oh gosh, cars sell for a lot more in
Speaker 10: California even then, and we're talking nineteen thirties here, and
Speaker 10: so he opened his first lot in California in Glendale,
Speaker 10: and he hated He rejected the dry and boring car
Speaker 10: salesman personas of that time and built a huge popularity
Speaker 10: with these flamboyant billboards, odds stunts, dressed crazy, sometimes like
Speaker 10: a crown clown or a goofball.
Speaker 4: He had this madman alter ego. He gave that to himself,
Speaker 4: and you do.
Speaker 10: These other weird things, like on speculation, he purchased thirteen
Speaker 10: brand new right hand drive vehicles that were built for
Speaker 10: the Asian market but could not be delivered because of
Speaker 10: World War Two. The local newspapers ran with the stories
Speaker 10: about these unusual cars, and he sold them all within
Speaker 10: two weeks. Each car was still in the original shipping crate.
Speaker 10: And you know, and then he's just you know, building
Speaker 10: up all of his his his cred at s right right,
Speaker 10: So but go ahead.
Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, you're on a roll. I don't want
Speaker 1: to stop.
Speaker 10: Okay, gonna say he became so famous with these you know,
Speaker 10: crazy wacky commercials and so forth. For one thing, for example,
Speaker 10: Bob Hope, Jack Benny Steve Allen, when they were on
Speaker 10: a TV appearance together, they would try to out do
Speaker 10: each other with madman lunch jokes.
Speaker 4: He was that popular. And there's a poll.
Speaker 10: That actually listed his used car lots in Southern California
Speaker 10: as the seventh highest ranked Southern California tourist trust tourist stops.
Speaker 1: What Okay, So I have never purposely gone to a
Speaker 1: car lot because we're on vacation. We've got to see
Speaker 1: this car lot. But that's what was happening with these
Speaker 1: Madman Months lots. His dealership people were actually, uh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go to uh the amusement park, or are we
Speaker 1: gonna go see a car lot.
Speaker 10: That's the world third largest ball of string too short
Speaker 10: out of the way, that's that's absolutely nuts. Oh so
Speaker 10: now it became so popular. Some people of our age
Speaker 10: may remember, based in New York there was a hi
Speaker 10: fi store called Crazy Eddi's Electronics, Okay, and his persona was,
Speaker 10: you know.
Speaker 4: Prices so so lo it's insane.
Speaker 10: That was his That was Crazy Eddies thing, his stick
Speaker 10: on on TV commercials and quite frankly, it was absolutely
Speaker 10: admitted to be a copy of mad Man Months because
Speaker 10: he was so successful. I mean, definitely I catch it.
Speaker 10: People definitely paid attention.
Speaker 1: Well, he was doing these stunts and dressing up and
Speaker 1: doing these crazy things. You said. He moved to Glendale,
Speaker 1: California to start his car lot out there in the
Speaker 1: late nineteen thirties when he could actually legally sign the paperwork.
Speaker 1: But TV wasn't really a thing in the late nineteen thirties.
Speaker 1: Was he on radio at all? Doing these commercials Before
Speaker 1: the advent of widespread television.
Speaker 4: Well he was on radio.
Speaker 10: He again, he had a lot of billboards and a
Speaker 10: lot of word of mouth. And I'm assuming if you
Speaker 10: drove by one of the car lots it was, you know,
Speaker 10: not just the what was that inflatable floaty thing with
Speaker 10: the guy weaving his arms. I was just gonna mention that, Yeah,
Speaker 10: I don't know what to call that, but you know
Speaker 10: it's I have a feeling if you watch the was
Speaker 10: that Kurt Russell in the in the movie Usual Car.
Speaker 1: Here his Cars? That's one I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: that movie is so underappreciated, And I'll tell you my
Speaker 1: favorite scene and you'll probably know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: And if you have seen you're listening and you have
Speaker 1: seen the movie Used Cars, you'll know exactly what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. My favorite scene is the unscrupulous guy that
Speaker 1: was working with Kurt Russell at the lot for Jack Warden,
Speaker 1: and he has this dog on the car lot and
Speaker 1: the dog would play dead and lay down underneath the
Speaker 1: cars out of the wheels range, and a couple wasn't
Speaker 1: really sold on the car and they're leaving and the
Speaker 1: guy picks up his dog. Is just lifeless. In his arms.
Speaker 1: He said, it's okay. Oh, poor Toby or whatever his
Speaker 1: name was, and they get out of the car. They're
Speaker 1: so they're so ashamed that they ran over the guy's dog.
Speaker 1: They bought the car and it was is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite movies of that genre. And it's great. I
Speaker 1: love that movie.
Speaker 10: The thing I hate about that movie, and hate is
Speaker 10: in quotes, is the fact that there was one year
Speaker 10: where in Evansville, Indiana, I worked for a car dealership
Speaker 10: to help them to wire in the interwebs, so to speak,
Speaker 10: which involved me running a lot of cables underground underneath
Speaker 10: Third Street, Evansville through a tunnel.
Speaker 4: And that was a fun time. But oh my.
Speaker 10: Gosh, I wish that movie. I truly wish it was
Speaker 10: less accurate.
Speaker 1: Well, and the scene whereas you know, when my boss
Speaker 1: sees these numbers, he's gonna have a stroke and he
Speaker 1: goes in the office. In the next minute, Jack Warden's
Speaker 1: coming out grasping his chest and he actually dies.
Speaker 4: Right there, laughing. I'm sorry, so.
Speaker 1: Great, so funny. So back to mad Man months, I
Speaker 1: tell you what.
Speaker 10: So I'm gonna do this a little bit out of order,
Speaker 10: if that's okay. But the next thing I wanted to mention,
Speaker 10: even in a single sentence.
Speaker 4: He created.
Speaker 10: He invented something called the stereo four four track cartridge.
Speaker 10: It called it the stereo pack. Now, this was the
Speaker 10: first stereo available or that could be added to a
Speaker 10: motor vehicle that would play, you know, pre recorded music
Speaker 10: aside from the old record players, the dash record players
Speaker 10: that Elvis and a few others had, because you know,
Speaker 10: when you put a record player in the dashboard of
Speaker 10: a car, you know that's gonna end well right.
Speaker 1: Well, well, your suspension better be pretty darn good else,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you.
Speaker 4: Never was in those days from the fifties.
Speaker 10: So he created this thing, and it was actually based
Speaker 10: on something that's near and dear to your heart and mind,
Speaker 10: the Fidelo pack cartridges, which is what the radio stations used,
Speaker 10: that endless loop cartridge. We'd do Kesa's advertisements and sometimes
Speaker 10: music on.
Speaker 1: Oh listen, listen. When I was on the radio before
Speaker 1: the advent of widespread CDs on the air, we had
Speaker 1: a six stack cart machine in our studio and you
Speaker 1: loaded everything, I mean, the songs, the commercials, and they
Speaker 1: would automatically segue from one thing to the next, just
Speaker 1: in case the DJ got busy doing something other than
Speaker 1: his radio show. You'd load up the six pack and
Speaker 1: the things would just automatically segue themselves in a commercial
Speaker 1: break or a group of songs. You'd have a jingle
Speaker 1: in between the two songs, and you didn't have to
Speaker 1: do anything. It was wonderfully freeing for the DJ to
Speaker 1: do nefarious things that he's not supposed to be doing
Speaker 1: in the studio while he's on the air. But no,
Speaker 1: I worked with cart machines from my first job in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty up until I would say probably about ninety
Speaker 1: four ninety five, maybe later than that, we still had carts.
Speaker 1: In fact, when I first came to Cincinnati and I
Speaker 1: was on the Fox doing afternoons, we still had a
Speaker 1: six stack cart machine in the studio, even though we
Speaker 1: were playing CDs mostly for the music. We did have
Speaker 1: a turntable too, But yeah, I'm very familiar with carts.
Speaker 1: So this is where it all started.
Speaker 10: Well, like the radio station, cart started first, and he
Speaker 10: kind of copied that idea. And by the way, hey,
Speaker 10: for you kids out there who had no idea what
Speaker 10: we're talking about. Yeah, we our toolkit included a razor blade,
Speaker 10: a splicing block, some splicing tape and a real to
Speaker 10: real tape deck that would we would record whatever we
Speaker 10: wanted to be on the cart and then had to
Speaker 10: build it in half the time, we'd end up using
Speaker 10: the razor blade to cut the part out that we
Speaker 10: wanted to keep on the cart, and that would drop
Speaker 10: on the floor we spliced the wrong thing in Oh gee,
Speaker 10: did that ever happen to you?
Speaker 2: Gary Jeff?
Speaker 1: So many times I'm ashamed to say no. I used
Speaker 1: a spice, a splicing block, a razor blade, and a
Speaker 1: grease pencil for putting together commercials productions that I would
Speaker 1: use on the reel to reel and then record onto
Speaker 1: the cart for air. And it used to take sometimes
Speaker 1: it would take a good hour to make a sixty
Speaker 1: second record spot or a concert spot, because you're carefully
Speaker 1: painstakingly editing and splicing manually, which of course today you
Speaker 1: just punch a couple of buttons and you know you're done.
Speaker 1: But if I remember, oh, I remember sweating it after
Speaker 1: I was off the air and had to get this
Speaker 1: commercial done for tomorrow, and I'm in there for literally
Speaker 1: a couple of hours just to put together two commercials,
Speaker 1: and was so glad to get home like that's done.
Speaker 1: That was not fun.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 10: Well, now this, as I say this, this four track cartridge,
Speaker 10: it was actually the predecessor to eight tracks.
Speaker 4: That was the next thing that can come out. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the playste of your car.
Speaker 10: And Bill lear of Leered Jets Fame intended to put
Speaker 10: these in his ler Jets, but then he looked at
Speaker 10: it and said, wait a minute, I think I can
Speaker 10: make this better and use less tape. And so it
Speaker 10: was actually Bill Leir that designed the eight track stereo cartridge,
Speaker 10: which far more folks of a certain age are familiar with.
Speaker 1: Yeh, one of my first stereos, One of my first
Speaker 1: stereos had an eight track player. Yep, oh, I I'd
Speaker 1: love that big clunk after you just got done listening
Speaker 1: to Stairway to Heaven or something and the tracks finished
Speaker 1: and switching over to the next track, clunk. And sometimes
Speaker 1: they weren't formatted correctly, so a song that was really
Speaker 1: long would fade out because it couldn't be contained in
Speaker 1: that whole track, and would fade back in after you
Speaker 1: heard the clunk. Oh track too, And here here comes
Speaker 1: the rest of the song I was listening to. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much.
Speaker 10: Peter Frampton yeah, and and the better record labels actually
Speaker 10: split it up to where when you had to do
Speaker 10: that to where it split out, this song would also
Speaker 10: be on another track in its entirety without the fade out.
Speaker 1: There you go, There you Go.
Speaker 10: Sheeper takes something so much so if anyone wants to
Speaker 10: see one of these crazy things. The Madman Month's version
Speaker 10: of the stereo pack cartridge in the second season of
Speaker 10: the original TV show Mission Impossible starring Peter Graves. That
Speaker 10: was the second season of Mission Impossible, was actually the
Speaker 10: first season Peter Graves was there.
Speaker 4: That's another story there are.
Speaker 10: Peter Graves didn't always get a real real tape on
Speaker 10: the Little Player That's at Good Luck Gym. Sometimes it
Speaker 10: was a record, sometimes it was dictaphone reel, and in
Speaker 10: a couple of episodes it was actually a Madman Month
Speaker 10: stereo pack four on the underdash of a car that
Speaker 10: he had to drive to in a parking lot in
Speaker 10: play similar to an eight track, but not exactly the same.
Speaker 10: It was actually a little bit more like the radio
Speaker 10: station version. The cartridge would slide in, but the top
Speaker 10: was open and you had to flip a lever to
Speaker 10: lock the cartridge in place.
Speaker 1: Who cares.
Speaker 10: Months was actually extremely successful with this design, with one
Speaker 10: small problem. He was also selling all of the carts
Speaker 10: that had popular music on them, and I don't know
Speaker 10: how better to put it, he got bullied by a
Speaker 10: lot of dealers who said, hey, we bought a hundred
Speaker 10: of these Beatle albums, we only sold eighty, and they
Speaker 10: basically demanded Months would buy the other twenty back room
Speaker 10: for full price.
Speaker 1: Wow, So he is also he also produced and marketed
Speaker 1: the first black and white TV receivers to sell for
Speaker 1: under one hundred bucks and was one of the the
Speaker 1: earliest functional widescreen projection TV creators.
Speaker 4: Yes, now it's see.
Speaker 10: It's ad the under one hundred dollars, which today would
Speaker 10: be under fourteen hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: He designed these for basically urban apartment dwellers, especially in
Speaker 10: Chicago where he was from, where you couldn't put an
Speaker 10: antenna outside. And in one example, I mean you could
Speaker 10: buy in the late forties early fifties, you could buy
Speaker 10: a black and white TV that had up to thirty tubes.
Speaker 4: His design only had seventeen.
Speaker 10: Now, first of all, at the end of the Ed
Speaker 10: Sullivan Show every week, it was almost reliable that he
Speaker 10: would have his TV ad and he'd be dressed in
Speaker 10: red long John's and a Napoleon hat and you know,
Speaker 10: just doing his crazy stick and he'd say, I want to.
Speaker 4: Give these away, but my wife won't let me. She's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's great. We don't have a whole lot of time here.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you really want to do? Mention
Speaker 1: about William Earl William Madman.
Speaker 10: Months about the televisions. It's called monsing, and the problem
Speaker 10: was he wanted the TVs to be as simple as possible,
Speaker 10: as few parts as possible. He was notorious for walking
Speaker 10: around the lab when his engineers were designing the TV circuits.
Speaker 10: If he thought an engineer was over engineering it, he'd
Speaker 10: take out his wirecutters and start clipping parts out he
Speaker 10: thought weren't important. And when he'd get the one where
Speaker 10: the TV wouldn't work anymore, he goes, yeah, put that
Speaker 10: last one back in. It was the bane of servicemen
Speaker 10: because the problem is you open up a month's TV
Speaker 10: and look under it, and if you're a TV repairman,
Speaker 10: it looks like somebody's already ransacked the TV and removed
Speaker 10: most of the components. There's like nothing in it. And
Speaker 10: if you can't do a quick and dirty repair on
Speaker 10: a month's TV, which is what servicemen need to do
Speaker 10: to get.
Speaker 4: In, get out fast and get paid for.
Speaker 1: How many how many months TVs do you think are
Speaker 1: still in existence through seventy years later?
Speaker 10: Oh honest, I know some collectors are crazy about them.
Speaker 10: They're not easy to find because they were very regional,
Speaker 10: and I would say maybe one to two hundred at most,
Speaker 10: but that's a total guess.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well listen, fascinating stuff, great history, lesson on how we
Speaker 1: got here, and Madman. We're standing on the shoulders of Madman.
Speaker 1: Months in twenty twenty five. We'll talk to you on
Speaker 1: Saturday Morning.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Bett, take care all right, Rick Wasper
Speaker 1: and old Radio Rick at gmail dot com if you'd
Speaker 1: ever liked to get in touch with that screwball. We'll
Speaker 1: continue on the night cap in a moment. We have
Speaker 1: an hour of sports for the out of sorts just
Speaker 1: ahead on this Tuesday night.
Speaker 4: And to another of this night, Power on All Star.
Speaker 1: Breaks twenty twenty five, Gary Jeff Walker with you and
Speaker 1: me and this guy on seven hundred WLW. And that
Speaker 1: guy that I just referenced, of course, is my friendly
Speaker 1: Sports for the out of source source named Andy Furman
Speaker 1: for a ball? What's going on? What is eating your
Speaker 1: craw tonight? Do you have an old man?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 7: It's funny every time I'm on your show. It's amazing
Speaker 7: the amount of emails and texts, well not text because
Speaker 7: I don't anybody know my phone number, but the amount
Speaker 7: of emails that I'm getting, even on social media, that
Speaker 7: they can't wait to hear me on your show.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's you or me, or maybe
Speaker 7: a combination. I don't know, but I'm pleased to.
Speaker 2: Be with you.
Speaker 7: I'm pleased to help you, I really am. But there's
Speaker 7: a couple of things I just want to lay out there. Okay,
Speaker 7: are you ready for this?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm ready.
Speaker 7: Okay, Shit back, I have a small gree lass. All right,
Speaker 7: here's the deal. You know, I'm watching this Netflix series
Speaker 7: called The Quarter of the kind of interesting Jared Goff
Speaker 7: from the Detroit Lions, Kirk Cousins Atlanta Falcons, and Joe
Speaker 7: Burrow for the Cincinnati Bengals. All Right. The only thing
Speaker 7: these guys have in common, well two things. They're all male,
Speaker 7: and they're all quarterbacks playing in the NFL. Other than that.
Speaker 7: They completely completely different animals. Really, Kirk Cousins, I love
Speaker 7: the guy to death. Never met the guy. Tremendous family man,
Speaker 7: get his hair cut at Great Cliffs. Joe Burrow has
Speaker 7: a fashion designer. I'm not knocking it. I'm just making
Speaker 7: comparisons over here, all right. But then Joe Burrow comes
Speaker 7: out on quarterbacks and says, yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 7: be in the public eye that much. You know, I
Speaker 7: got a provaate. Wait a minute, don't be wearing backless suits.
Speaker 7: I'm getting your picture taken in Vogue in Paris and
Speaker 7: go worry about being quiet. And Kirk Cousins comes home
Speaker 7: from practice, finds out from the coaching staff at Atlanta
Speaker 7: that he lost his job, you know, it's a starting
Speaker 7: quarterback job last year, and has time to go down
Speaker 7: the basement to play football with his kids. This is
Speaker 7: a tie. See here's the difference. Jared Goff all Right married,
Speaker 7: Kirk Cousins married with two kids. Every time I see
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow, he's your.
Speaker 4: Mom and dad.
Speaker 7: Get a girlfriend, get a wife, get kids, have a life.
Speaker 7: Let's move one step further. Here's a guy, and I
Speaker 7: don't begrudge the money he makes make as much as
Speaker 7: your can because you're the entertainment. He wants to get
Speaker 7: a batmobile? Are you freaking kidding me? Here's the guy
Speaker 7: who has a foundation, and you and I both know
Speaker 7: when athletes form foundations. Well, I he really they're tax shelters.
Speaker 7: That's what they are. Foundations. Makes it sound good to
Speaker 7: the schmucks out there that don't understand, But the foundation's
Speaker 7: a tax shelter. He wants to aid the people in
Speaker 7: Adams County.
Speaker 4: Who are homeless.
Speaker 7: They need food, whatever it may be. You'll spend money
Speaker 7: on a batmobile. You could feed the attire Adams County
Speaker 7: for a batmobile. Thank god he didn't buy a batmobile.
Speaker 7: Get your head on straight, get in the middle lane
Speaker 7: of the highway.
Speaker 4: And stay there.
Speaker 7: I don't And again I like Joe, I wish him well.
Speaker 7: I hope the Bengals go as far as they can.
Speaker 7: But Diesel Pete this series right now, with the quarterbacks,
Speaker 7: he looks like a goofball on this series. He really does.
Speaker 7: That's my say.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Well, it sounds like you're really really hating
Speaker 1: on Joe Burrow. I mean, he's a franchise quarterback of
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals led him to a super amazing and
Speaker 1: all you have to say is is all this shade
Speaker 1: you're throwing on him, all this dissing of Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: of number.
Speaker 4: Nine, I just can't created it.
Speaker 7: But being another show. Hey, you want a private life,
Speaker 7: don't go on quarterbacks, go on that flick.
Speaker 1: You know what? You can't be more right about that, Andy,
Speaker 1: I will agree with you on that. Don't tell me
Speaker 1: you want to live a quiet, private life. And as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, be photographed in Vogue, the backless suits, buying
Speaker 1: a batmobile. That's not exactly inconspicuous, is it? No?
Speaker 7: No, I, And you're a big Mjson. You're a big
Speaker 7: Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 7: And obviously you took about guys that live private lives.
Speaker 7: I will tell you right now. I think Michael Jordan
Speaker 7: is somewhat of a private life. And there was social
Speaker 7: media when he played. Don't you agree, Michael, You can
Speaker 7: live a private life if you're an athlete. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: but I think Michael, to some extent.
Speaker 1: Did Michael Jordan is not exactly in the public I anymore.
Speaker 1: Even with six NBA great the greatest basketball professional basketball
Speaker 1: player I ever saw, And yes, that includes Kobe and
Speaker 1: Lebron and Kareem Abdul Jabbar and all the rest that
Speaker 1: I saw witnessed actually play the game. Michael's still the goat,
Speaker 1: and uh he it's a lot easier to live a
Speaker 1: private life when you're sixty years old and you've got
Speaker 1: enough money to hide away somewhere, Andy, So I don't
Speaker 1: know that we're gonna give Michael.
Speaker 7: I think he had somewhat of a private life when
Speaker 7: he played. When you when you retire, it's a different animal.
Speaker 7: And again, you just said something to me that really
Speaker 7: upset me because I don't think Michael Jordan is the coat.
Speaker 7: But that's another story. I'll tell you is the Goat
Speaker 7: is the greatest player and the most dominant player to
Speaker 7: have a put out of basketball you ploman in the
Speaker 7: NBA period. He's a fifty points a game. He's the
Speaker 7: greatest points of freaking game.
Speaker 1: He's the greatest womanizer in the history of professional basketball.
Speaker 1: And that's saying a lot about that. And that's twenty
Speaker 1: thousand women, Andy, How do you who cares?
Speaker 4: How did he find.
Speaker 1: How did he find time for twenty thousand women while he's.
Speaker 7: Playing Even better, he goes up the scale even higher now.
Speaker 1: He'd put a new rubber band around his wrist every
Speaker 1: time he conquered another one. He was like a young
Speaker 1: male adult lion. He copulated every fifteen minutes to have
Speaker 1: to bed that many mons.
Speaker 7: I loved WILF Chamberlain. I thought he was the greatest.
Speaker 7: I think he played again, this is a different game
Speaker 7: though they don't even have a set the position of
Speaker 7: basketball now it's completely different. There really is.
Speaker 1: Well, there weren't that many. There weren't that many seven
Speaker 1: footers when he played. All he had to do was.
Speaker 7: Standard ye Bill Russell, Wesley Unsell, Willis Reed, Nate Thurmon.
Speaker 1: Wesley was seven feet in there, Wesley Unsell was not
Speaker 1: seven f They were big men. But Wilt distilled. They
Speaker 1: called him Wilton stilled because nobody else in the league
Speaker 1: was seven to one.
Speaker 7: No, but I will tell you this, Kareem was seventy plus.
Speaker 7: He did not dominate like wil did.
Speaker 4: He was wait hold on, he was.
Speaker 1: Kareem was the all time NBA leading scorer after Wilt
Speaker 1: for years until Lebron James came out of high school.
Speaker 1: He never played for twenty five No, he never averaged
Speaker 1: fifty fifty game because when they passed the ball to Wilt,
Speaker 1: it was a black hole. In fact, when he averaged
Speaker 1: when he had that hundred point game when he was
Speaker 1: playing for Philadelphia that nobody ever saw because it wasn't
Speaker 1: on TV in nineteen sixty two in Hershey, Pennsylvania. He
Speaker 1: scored one hundred points because his teammates just kept feeding
Speaker 1: him the ball. That's the only reason Will scored one
Speaker 1: hundred points.
Speaker 7: Why wouldn't it because the centers he played as the
Speaker 7: New York Kniss in that game, and they said this,
Speaker 7: but this were jumping Johnny Green it was five and
Speaker 7: Daryl Livehoff with maybe six seven. So back, you're going
Speaker 7: to stay in your lane. Get back to what we're
Speaker 7: talking about with the quarterbacks. Joe Burrow at another day.
Speaker 1: Well, Joe Burrow, to me, I think is he's still
Speaker 1: a young man. You act like he should be married
Speaker 1: and settled down with a couple of kids and a
Speaker 1: couple of dogs instead of hanging out with his parents.
Speaker 7: I mean, listen, no, it's wonderful that he's got that
Speaker 7: relationship with his parents.
Speaker 4: I really do.
Speaker 7: I just think that he's he's a tremendous quarterback. I
Speaker 7: will tell you he's the best quarterback in the National
Speaker 7: Football Man.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow.
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow, she doesn't deserve him.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow knows more about himself than Andy Furman knows
Speaker 1: about Joe Burrow, even watching him in this series that
Speaker 1: you're referencing. And Joe Burrow knows perhaps that he's not
Speaker 1: mature enough to have a marriage, a wife and and
Speaker 1: make it successful. Joe Burrow will not do anything.
Speaker 7: Bet his personal life. I just here the fact I
Speaker 7: watched this series. He chooses his words very very carefully.
Speaker 7: But he's in a different league than Kirk Cousins. Kirk
Speaker 7: Cousins to me, I love the guy. Kirk Cousins will
Speaker 7: not be wearing the jewelry. Kirk Cousins. He's just a
Speaker 7: different guy. And if Julie doesn't buy you want to
Speaker 7: buy money, you earn the money. Every time you go
Speaker 7: on the football field, you risk your life.
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, get it. Kirk Cousins will also never be
Speaker 1: in another Super Bowl. Andy, kirk cousins career is over.
Speaker 1: You're right, there's very bad. There's very little similarity between
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow actually has a
Speaker 1: path to success and the Vince Lombardi Trophy. Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: that had that ship has sailed, and I think maybe.
Speaker 4: For a year ago.
Speaker 7: We'll see what happens with Nicks. We'll see what happens
Speaker 7: over there in Atlanta this year. But I will tell
Speaker 7: you this much right now. Joe Burrow is the modern
Speaker 7: day Dan Marino, great quarterback. Did nothing, but they want
Speaker 7: super Bowl. Dan Marino never went to the never won
Speaker 7: a super Bowl? All right, Dan Marino?
Speaker 1: Did Dan Marino go to you won? Did Dan Marino
Speaker 1: you go to a Super Bowl? Did Dan Marino even
Speaker 1: go to a Super Bowl and lose?
Speaker 2: Hand?
Speaker 7: I don't think he went to a super Bowl Number
Speaker 7: one one, He did not. He never went to a
Speaker 7: super Bowl. Okay, So so Borroughs got him up one. Okay,
Speaker 7: But there are other guys out there like Barry Sanders.
Speaker 7: He's in that same league. Did Dan Marinos? That Barry Sanders?
Speaker 7: Great players, But at the end of the day, what
Speaker 7: have you done? Great stats? That's what it's all about.
Speaker 7: You know, the other day was true, It's all about
Speaker 7: the rings. It's all about the rings.
Speaker 1: Andy Jim Brown, Jim Brown, the greatest quarter the greatest
Speaker 1: running back in the history of the NFL, arguably the greatest.
Speaker 1: Jim Brown never went to a super Bowl.
Speaker 7: They didn't have the super Bowl back then. Okay, twelve
Speaker 7: games a year. It's a different things the other century. Okay,
Speaker 7: let me give you an example. Eli Manning couldn't shine
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow's shoes. Eli Manning's gonna go to the Hall
Speaker 7: of Fame for two reasons. Number one, he won to
Speaker 7: super bowls. Number two, his.
Speaker 4: Name is Manning.
Speaker 7: All Right, he couldn't shine Joe Borrow's shoes. But Joe
Speaker 7: Burrow if he does not get to a super Bowl?
Speaker 7: So were super Bowl? You mean I'm not knock on
Speaker 7: the door for the Hall of Fame and can That's
Speaker 7: all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Well agreed, I'm going to get in trouble for this
Speaker 1: little brother.
Speaker 7: You can't use the R words. Don't use take it,
Speaker 7: just say you apologize.
Speaker 2: I have discussed.
Speaker 1: I apologize, I apologize.
Speaker 7: I know what I want to defend.
Speaker 1: No one uses Okay, all right, well, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on. Eli Manning is Peyton Manning's challenged little brother.
Speaker 7: Yeah, what about that word?
Speaker 4: The words?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I never will use it. Again in
Speaker 1: public or private.
Speaker 7: I promise it's funny that I'm telling you what to do,
Speaker 7: what to use it on right, because usually I'm on.
Speaker 1: Can I hold on? Can I say midget or do
Speaker 1: I have to say little person?
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 7: They don't even you know what, they don't even have
Speaker 7: midget wrestling anyone. They call it small people wrestling.
Speaker 1: They have midget racing cars, don't.
Speaker 7: I don't know what about you? Look, you know you're
Speaker 7: not offending people when you use midget racing cars.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 7: But you don't want to offend people period. You just don't.
Speaker 7: Don't ever, you know, be nice if.
Speaker 1: You're just speaking the truth, speaking the truth that if
Speaker 1: it offends somebody, I don't care. If it's the truth,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. Andy, I mean, you.
Speaker 7: Mean, what do you mean You're going to offend somebody?
Speaker 7: But the truth? Tell me how So I'm gonna walk
Speaker 7: up to somebody say, hey, how are you doing your fat?
Speaker 7: I mean you do that to people?
Speaker 1: What you do to keep from offending you? I would
Speaker 1: say that you are very frugal, because it's better than saying.
Speaker 7: That's a compliment.
Speaker 1: That's better. It's better.
Speaker 7: Would that's a compliment.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, you're well, I mean what if
Speaker 1: you had, uh, you know, all the money that you
Speaker 1: could possibly ever want, and you wanted a batmobile? I mean,
Speaker 1: why not buy a batmobile? I don't understand this fixation
Speaker 1: with Joe Burrow wanting to have a batmobile.
Speaker 7: Because it's hypocritical to have a foundation to aid people.
Speaker 7: I do you have enough money to buy a batmobile?
Speaker 7: Think about it for a second. You could find that
Speaker 7: entire Adams County with the money that costs him to
Speaker 7: buy a batmobile. Right, And let me tell you something else.
Speaker 7: Say he buys the batmobile, he'd be backed out as
Speaker 7: a series that I'm watching, a backed out of it
Speaker 7: because say.
Speaker 4: He bought one.
Speaker 7: Do you drive that downtown over the Rhine? It's gone
Speaker 7: in an hour? All right?
Speaker 1: See, some people, Andy, Andy, some people might think that
Speaker 1: last statement by you is offensive. What's the problem with
Speaker 1: over the Rhine?
Speaker 2: Idea?
Speaker 5: True?
Speaker 1: Why why can't you? Why can't you drive a batmobile
Speaker 1: over the.
Speaker 7: R I'm stating a fact there is crime and over
Speaker 7: the Rhine?
Speaker 4: Agree?
Speaker 7: Do we agree on that? Well?
Speaker 1: Certainly, But you're it seems like you're singling out one
Speaker 1: particular community in Cincinnati, and some people might even say that.
Speaker 7: I'm written Community's you have to drive downtown and over
Speaker 7: the Rhine where there's some good places to eat in
Speaker 7: night life. There's a good chances batmobile would be gone
Speaker 7: and or stripped in an hour.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Batman the movie?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you have a real batmobile, it's totally
Speaker 1: safe because you've got all those weapons, all those tools
Speaker 1: on it, and you can you can take care of
Speaker 1: the criminals that you may encounter in over the Rhine, or.
Speaker 7: Probably would have to have somebody sit in the batmobile
Speaker 7: while you're being entertained or entertaining yourself, or there's some
Speaker 7: people with you, you have someone sit at a batmobile.
Speaker 7: But this is off the deep end. I mean, you know,
Speaker 7: think about this, for sec what do you think is teammates,
Speaker 7: you're gonna buy a Batmo Field, then you're gonna cry
Speaker 7: and in the same vein that they're not signing Troy Henkickson.
Speaker 7: I mean, think about that. You put that might with
Speaker 7: a Batmo Field to Troy's contract. If what Todd Brady did,
Speaker 7: he took less money so the team would have more
Speaker 7: money for playing what he was doing.
Speaker 1: If I if I if I had to wearwithal, not
Speaker 1: only would I have a batmobile, I would have the
Speaker 1: bat boat. I would have the bat chopper I would
Speaker 1: have had I would have had the bat motorcycle. And
Speaker 1: I don't even like motorcycles with a sidecar for rob.
Speaker 7: The baseball bat to hit you over the head with.
Speaker 1: That's what I'd have a I've had a bat utility belt.
Speaker 1: I'd have the cowl. I'd have the whole whole chest
Speaker 1: protect anything. I'm not smoking anything, And I'm just telling
Speaker 1: you as a Batman officionado, I want all of the toys.
Speaker 1: If I'm I'm not going to stop at the batmobile,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna get the whole thing.
Speaker 7: Okay, If I'm going to be honest, I was like
Speaker 7: a superman, freaking I do walk around my house with
Speaker 7: a cape. I gotta tell you, I do, and I
Speaker 7: and I jump up and down. I think I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Fly a cape and nothing else right.
Speaker 4: Exactly right?
Speaker 1: Yes, And you asked, Wendy, You asked, and you asked
Speaker 1: your wife, Wendy, if she can see your superpower?
Speaker 7: What Istairs's lowest lane typing away?
Speaker 1: What is your superpower? Andy? Do you have a superpower.
Speaker 7: I can see through walls. I can I just see
Speaker 7: through walls. I love every minute of it.
Speaker 1: Oh that's that's that's kind of awesome. So you just
Speaker 1: you just go place the bus station and sit outside
Speaker 1: of bathrooms, the.
Speaker 7: Women's the men most too much because I make myself
Speaker 7: in trouble. But you know I have these powers, and
Speaker 7: you know you got it out of me that I
Speaker 7: wear a cape and I love it. And Superman was
Speaker 7: on my.
Speaker 1: Else Is there anything else sports related you wanted to
Speaker 1: bring up in our few moments we have?
Speaker 7: Well, we saw it with the Quarterbacks series on Netflix.
Speaker 7: We ended up with Superman and Batman. But that's okay.
Speaker 7: And I still didn't hear your take on these quarterbacks
Speaker 7: that I love the fact that Joe Burrow has as
Speaker 7: a personal dresser designer and and Kirk Cousins gets his
Speaker 7: hair cut of great clips.
Speaker 1: You're in my take.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think that either one is wrong. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't really have a take. I don't really care
Speaker 1: one way or the other whether Joe Burrow takes his
Speaker 1: batmobile to over the Rhine or Adams County if he
Speaker 1: wants a batmobile, So be it. He can have a
Speaker 1: batmobile and a foundation. Some people Andy can walk and
Speaker 1: chew gum at the same time. I'm not sure you
Speaker 1: know what. You're one of them.
Speaker 7: You better get get your ass off the fence and
Speaker 7: take a take a stand. You know you're getting like
Speaker 7: everybody else around here. Really take a stand. I made
Speaker 7: a statement. Here are you to say, well, he could
Speaker 7: do this, he could do but no, no foundation foundations
Speaker 7: to help people the people people. You're getting old and weak.
Speaker 7: You're getting old, you know what. I'm getting older and stronger.
Speaker 4: How's that?
Speaker 7: How's that?
Speaker 1: I can smell you from here. You're right, you are
Speaker 1: getting stronger.
Speaker 7: I could see you from here because I got the superpower.
Speaker 7: I could see you. You're grinning at me.
Speaker 1: I'm coming. I'm coming to Florence to your home in
Speaker 1: a batmobile. And you're going Florence anymore.
Speaker 7: And if I did, I don't want to.
Speaker 4: I don't want it over the airway. No you don't.
Speaker 7: I moved over the rhine.
Speaker 1: I didn't move.
Speaker 7: No, no, I didn't move.
Speaker 1: You need a batmobile. If you're gonna move over the rhine,
Speaker 1: you definitely need a batmobile.
Speaker 7: And again, no I have I have I have honestly moved.
Speaker 7: I still live at Kentucky, but I moved. Okay, okay,
Speaker 7: all right, not now, I mean, well later on, but
Speaker 7: not right now.
Speaker 1: Andy, as always an unexpected pleasure.
Speaker 7: Oh really, you know you love it. You know you
Speaker 7: love every minute of it. You know it, admit it.
Speaker 1: Take take care of yourself, all right, Thank you so much. Goodbye.
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