WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.720 Hey, this is Emily sowderback of Scarecrow Videos Viva Physical Media. 2 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:05.599 All right, this is Matt Lynch, co host of Viva 3 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:08.359 The Projection Booth. Podcast is sponsored by Scarecrow. 4 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:11.480 Try out Scarecrow Videos rant by mail service. Choose from 5 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:14.519 over one hundred and fifty five thousand films and get 6 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:17.960 Blu rays, four k's and DVDs all delivered directly to 7 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:18.399 your door. 8 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:27.239 Visit Scarecrow video dot Org. Today Old You is boot. 9 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:28.800 It Show Die. 10 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:31.199 People pay good money to see this movie. 11 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:32.759 When they go out to a theater. 12 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:36.799 They want cold sodas, hot popcorn, and no monsters in 13 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:39.799 the projection Booth. Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 14 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:06.200 Hi, my name is Peter Parker. I have something to 15 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:12.079 tell you that's gonna sound crazy, but it's the truth. 16 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:18.920 She's a splainer. Man, can't tell anybody about this vacular secret. Okay, 17 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.200 thank you, everybody. 18 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:23.439 Good. 19 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:24.519 Ask a lot of that. 20 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:33.159 We used to know each other. We were together. 21 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:40.480 But something bad was gonna happen. 22 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:48.640 Me and the only way to stop it was to 23 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:49.480 do the hard thing. 24 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:52.439 You're gonna forget who I am? 25 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:53.799 What are you talking about? 26 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:57.840 I'm gonna come and find you, and I'll explain everything. 27 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:02.840 You're better tell you. I'm just waiting to tell me. 28 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:03.719 May you see me again? 29 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:10.879 My name is Peter Parker and I like a coffee. 30 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:13.080 Is there anything else? 31 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:20.280 Maybe I'll never read this to you help. Maybe I'm 32 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:25.400 just writing this for me, and maybe that's my responsibility 33 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:30.599 to live alone with the truth, because I'm not just 34 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:35.960 Peter Parker, I'm Spider Man. 35 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:39.280 We'll face with a threat that can be anyone. 36 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:41.240 You sure you want to do this? Scorpion? 37 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:42.719 You think I'm Scorpion? 38 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:48.439 Talk the better. 39 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:50.960 No manner for me. 40 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:58.280 I hear any as what I promised you that I 41 00:02:58.280 --> 00:02:59.080 would keep you saying. 42 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:02.439 Please, you just have to trust we come on, Hie. 43 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:05.319 You're the only one who can sense it. 44 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.000 Hey, can we do this one at a time? Please? 45 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:09.759 You're the only one who can defeat it. 46 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:24.280 The Spidey Tracker app says that Spider Man is in 47 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:30.879 the direct vicinity. Kaya No way, that's crazy. 48 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:33.759 Welcome to the Projection Booth time your host Mike White 49 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:37.599 joined me for a special crossover episode with the Culture Cast. 50 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.080 Is mister Chris Statue. 51 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:44.280 The letter of the day is M for Mutagon. 52 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:49.199 We are digging into Spider Man, Brand New Day, the 53 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:52.479 new Tom Holland mcu film that just came out and 54 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:55.080 borrows its title and a chunk of its DNA from 55 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:59.159 the classic Peter Parker Mary Jane Reset comic era, along 56 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:03.719 with the elements of the other storyline Chris. Before we 57 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:08.159 get into what this movie is and into some spoiler territory, 58 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:11.520 I want to know, is this movie worth the bucks? 59 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:14.599 Is it worth going to see in theaters? I would 60 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:20.000 think so. I think it is a worthy entry into 61 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:25.000 a Spider Man franchise that is on its fourth film 62 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:28.360 now as opposed to its third, and this feels like 63 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:31.879 a fourth film in that it resets some things. I 64 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:34.120 don't know how you feel about the Last Spider Man 65 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:36.920 movie because we didn't talk about it together. I don't think, 66 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:39.279 but the I was not the biggest fan of the 67 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:41.560 Last Spider Man movie for the same reason I wasn't 68 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.600 the biggest fan of Deadpool Wolverine. It was just a 69 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:47.240 bunch of cameos. It was a bunch of fan service, 70 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.480 which is fine for the first time you watch it, 71 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:52.800 but has anyone gone back and rewatched those movies more 72 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:56.160 than maybe once? Deadpool Wolverine doesn't hold up, and the 73 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:59.720 best part of that Spider Man movie is Willem Dafoe, genuinely, 74 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:01.879 which is not surprising given that he was the best 75 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:03.959 part of the original Spider Man movies he was in. 76 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:06.560 So the fact that this movie doesn't rely on any 77 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:09.560 of that, doesn't rely on any multiverse nonsense, it doesn't 78 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:11.800 have any of that. This is a and I've seen 79 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:14.879 this kind of review mentioned, or this kind of point 80 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:17.879 mentioned several times in other reviews. It's a more grounded 81 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:20.160 Spider Man, and I think it is. This is the 82 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:22.720 Spider Man that I grew up with in the comics. 83 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:25.879 In a lot of ways, he's just out of high school. 84 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:30.839 He's a young adult ish still doing ground level Spider 85 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:33.920 Man work. And then there's more intrigue beyond that. So 86 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:36.199 I enjoyed it a fair amount. I would say it 87 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:38.879 was worth it. I don't know if Marvel's going to 88 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:41.759 be two for two this year with films, because obviously 89 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:43.680 we have Doomsday coming out at the end of the year, 90 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:45.800 which you and I will cover. But I think so 91 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:48.759 far this year they're one for two or one for one, 92 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:50.519 I guess, because again I can't speak to the other 93 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:53.000 one yet, but one for one, this movie's great. I've 94 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.759 seen some reviewers say it's as good as Spider Man two. 95 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:58.519 I don't hold Spider Man two in as high regard 96 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:01.199 as everybody else. I think, for me, this might be 97 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:04.319 the best Tom Holland Spider Man movie. I definitely think 98 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:07.319 it's better than the last one. The Jake Gillenhall one 99 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:10.800 is pretty good. The first one, I think is predicated 100 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:13.759 on some things like not knowing that Michael Keaton is 101 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.360 her dad throughout most of the movie is part and 102 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.319 parcel to what really makes that movie work. So for me, 103 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:21.959 I think this is the first Tom Holland Spider Man 104 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:26.360 movie that I'm like, Okay, we have escaped the old 105 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:32.639 Spider Man storytelling. We've escaped this spider Man of two thousands, 106 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:36.839 twenty tens, and this Spider Man is firmly now his 107 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:40.439 own thing. And there are moments in this movie that 108 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:42.920 we have not seen with Spider Man before. There are 109 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:45.839 things in this movie that again are so unique and 110 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:49.279 novel and fun and interesting that for me, I would say, 111 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:53.680 not only is it a worthy film to watch in theaters, 112 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.040 but I think that this is the now the best 113 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:59.439 Spider Man movie that we have gotten in the cinematic 114 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.759 Spider Man era, which would have started with Raymie spider Man. 115 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:04.079 So what about you, Mike. 116 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:07.120 I'm curious you said that this film does some things 117 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:09.160 that no other Spider Man movie has done, and I'm 118 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:11.040 curious what you were thinking of for that. 119 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:14.800 All of the mutant stuff, like actual mutant stuff anything 120 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:17.560 with Again, I don't want to spoil that stuff, because 121 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:20.199 I think that's the main spoiler of the movie. But 122 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:24.759 we've seen Spider Man as a organic spider in the movies, 123 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:28.720 but we've never seen it where he doesn't start out 124 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:31.000 that way as Spider Man, but he's still Spider Man, 125 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:33.639 and then he becomes that. We've never seen that in 126 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:35.800 the movies. And so I guess I was more speaking 127 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:38.160 to having not seen it in the movies, not so 128 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:40.519 much the comics, because most of this is just a 129 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.560 millunge of things from the comics worked into a script 130 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.279 that works better than I would have expected. Because, again, 131 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:48.439 to go back to forcing a bunch of villains into 132 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:52.319 a movie, Spider Man three, both the Toby Maguire one 133 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:55.680 and the Tom Holland one both had a lot of 134 00:07:55.800 --> 00:08:00.959 villains like replete an abundance, a plethora even of villains, 135 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.160 and this one has a lot of villains as well, 136 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:07.759 but I think it definitely manages them in a way 137 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:09.879 that makes sense, and the through line I think with 138 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:11.879 Jean Gray also makes sense. 139 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:15.839 I feel that he has more friends than enemies in 140 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:16.560 this one. 141 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:20.680 Right, which is weird. We have a Batman Spider Man 142 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:23.920 situation almost where he's interacting with the cops, which we 143 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:26.120 have not really seen. We saw that sort of with 144 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:29.040 Dennis Leary's character. But the less I think about those 145 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:31.519 Andrew Garfield Spider Man movies, the better. Personally. 146 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:34.080 Yeah, I'm trying to think of what his relationship with 147 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.600 the cops was in the previous films. It feels like 148 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:40.480 it was more dealing with Ice school than anything else, 149 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:44.200 and the school trip and all that, and the second film, 150 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:47.440 and then with the last one, I really don't remember 151 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:50.200 any cops. It was so much about the whole, let's 152 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:52.519 reset the universe type of thing. And I feel like 153 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:57.440 the Spider Man films have not necessarily suffered because of 154 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:01.000 the rest of the MCU. We've got our introduction to 155 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:03.879 Tom Holland via one of the Avengers films. Is that 156 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:06.080 Civil War that we got him introduced. 157 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:08.720 That was Captain America Civil War, which is technically not 158 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:12.200 an Avengers movie, but it's half of an Avengers movie. 159 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:14.159 It so feels like An Order is. 160 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:16.720 An Avengers movie. It's as much an Avengers movie as 161 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:19.759 Ultron is. I guess it's just the steaks. They're not 162 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:22.879 world ending steaks in Civil War in Asia. Ultron their 163 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.480 world ending steaks. So I guess that's the line of demarcation. 164 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:29.320 I would agree the Spider Man movies have suffered because 165 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:34.000 he's had to be part of the grander MCU framework. 166 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:37.120 The picture work that is the MCU relies a lot 167 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:40.840 on Spider Man, which, again, Spider Man was a singular 168 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:43.159 entity up until this point. He was in his own movies, 169 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.600 doing his own thing. There was no crossovers, there was 170 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:48.279 no The most we ever saw was Venom. That was it. 171 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:52.159 Yeah, But in the comics he was very interactive with 172 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:54.600 other people. That was the thing I always enjoyed was 173 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:59.720 that he had his little area of New York, mostly queens, 174 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:02.639 that he would deal with. You had Daredevil over in 175 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:06.320 Hell's Kitchens, like everybody had their own turf, right, So 176 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:09.320 you had all of these people that had their own area, 177 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:13.240 and he would team up with them. Occasionally. I remember, 178 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:16.879 especially when he got the Symbiote suit that he broke 179 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:19.960 into the Baxter building, which was great that he could 180 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:24.399 just bypass their securities pretty easily in order to have 181 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:27.000 read Richards help him with this whole problem that he 182 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:31.120 was having with the waking up, and he'd still be tired. 183 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:33.679 He didn't know that the Symbiote was controlling him, taking 184 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:35.919 him out for a ride at night, those kind of things. 185 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.720 So I always enjoyed when he would do team ups, 186 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:43.320 especially with the Human Torch. He doesn't team up with 187 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:47.480 anybody really other than the Punisher, which I haven't watched 188 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:51.759 any of these Punisher TV shows, the miniseries whatever they're doing, 189 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:54.840 that weirdo movie thing that they did last time with 190 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:58.679 that shot one shot with that really bad special effect 191 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.120 that was making the rounds out on Reddit, I. 192 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:04.039 Set Marvel's glad. That's all we know about that Punisher thing, 193 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:06.919 if you haven't watched it is John Burnhal falling backwards 194 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.399 off of a roof and it looking like a video game. 195 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:14.039 But I thought that the relationship between him and Frank 196 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:18.960 was fantastic, and especially I love the parallel now that 197 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:22.720 Spider Man is forcing himself to be alone. He doesn't 198 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:25.240 want to be alone, but he has to be alone. 199 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:27.159 And there's that whole thing. I think it was at 200 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:30.320 the end of the first Spider Man movie, the Raimy One. 201 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:31.840 I can't remember if it was the first or second, 202 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:34.600 where he's basically, I'm putting all my loved ones in jeopardy. 203 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:37.759 I have to stop this here. In that third movie, 204 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:40.519 he really was like, no, I have to make sure 205 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:43.519 that nobody knows who the hell that I am, and 206 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:47.200 thus wiped everything. But yet he's so desperate for any 207 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:52.240 sort of friendship that he's now friends with the Punisher. 208 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:55.399 I love that moment at the beginning where there's the 209 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:58.000 girl who recognized him, Oh, we live on the same 210 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:00.120 floor as I not anymore, and he moves up to 211 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:03.799 the basically like the attic and creates his own lab 212 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.559 up there. There's no mention of iron Man in this film, 213 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:12.840 which I kind of like because there were moments, especially 214 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:15.120 in the first Spider Man film, where it was in 215 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:18.360 danger of becoming an Iron Man film because Robert Downey 216 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:22.320 Junior's personality is so big and the Ironman character was 217 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.360 so big. It's like Spider Man doesn't need him, but 218 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:28.279 he did need that tech. I like that he's got 219 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:30.559 the tech in this one, that he's proven himself that 220 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:33.039 he can do all of these things on his own. 221 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:36.759 He's got ev instead of needing Friday or anything like that. 222 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.440 I really like that he's in this position now of 223 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:43.639 you're talking about how this is the Spider Man that 224 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:45.879 you're familiar with. This is also the Spider Man I'm 225 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.519 familiar with. The Only thing that's missing from this is 226 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:51.639 taking photos for the Daily Planet, and I appreciate that's 227 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:54.919 not in this. It was actually better that he doesn't 228 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:57.799 need to worry about that job at this moment. I 229 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:01.200 don't know how he's making his money's pizza time, but 230 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:03.480 it seems to be doing okay right now. 231 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:06.120 And this was the thing with the end of that 232 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.799 second movie where they're like, my god, look it's JK. 233 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:14.279 Simmons again, which, by the way, never has come back 234 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:16.720 since I'm not talking about I'm talking about it in 235 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:19.840 this film. I think now it would be a little 236 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:24.960 unbelievable to have Spider Man, or again Peter Parker going 237 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:26.840 and taking pictures of Spider Man. People be like you're 238 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:29.639 Spider Man, like, knock it off. It's It would be hard, 239 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:32.480 I guess in this version of the MCU because everyone 240 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:34.799 in the MCU and genuinely a lot of moments in 241 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:36.480 this movie. There's a lot of moments in this movie 242 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:40.120 that have to do with Spider Man's secret identity being 243 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:43.559 found out or Spider Man's secret identity being in danger. 244 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:46.399 And I like that, Like you said, we don't have 245 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:50.120 something that's forcing us to suspend disbelief every time we 246 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:53.960 deal with it, which is he's my friend. Like, okay, 247 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.200 why is in every villain in the city just going 248 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:59.720 after Peter Parker. Then, like again, that's to go back 249 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:02.159 to the you know, why the stories of Spider Man 250 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:03.759 have been the way that they are. They've had to 251 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:07.559 ret con everybody knowing that Peter Parker was Spider Man 252 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.080 multiple times. And I mean here the movie is doing 253 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.440 that as well, because they kind of backed themselves into 254 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.360 a corner with that second movie, and then in the 255 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:19.200 third movie they did this, you know, complete forget with 256 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:21.919 Doctor Strange. I think they actually nailed it in the 257 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:24.799 landing here because this is kind of the landing as 258 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:26.559 it were, from that third movie, from the fallout of 259 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:29.080 the third movie. I think it works. I like that, 260 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:32.039 like you said, we have Spider Man as is as 261 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:35.639 he has ever been his own agent, with nobody else 262 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.399 other than maybe the Punisher and the Woman from the Bear, 263 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:42.519 which I loved by the way. I was just like, oh, so, 264 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:45.320 now we have Spider Man kind of interfacing with the 265 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:48.399 cops in kind of an interesting novel way. It's not 266 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:51.120 like a Jim Gordon Batman. It's more like some of 267 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:54.240 the things I've seen in other Spider Man entertainment, like 268 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.840 Spider Man video games or stuff where he's working. No 269 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:00.000 pun intended symbiotically with the cops to help them out 270 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:03.320 where they can't really deal with a giant tank parading 271 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:05.919 through New York City, but Spider Man might be able to. 272 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:09.039 Which is a great way again to introduce the Punisher 273 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:12.559 into this. And I really was very happy when it 274 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:15.200 came to I don't really want to call her Black Widow, 275 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.320 even though they're calling her black Widow in this Yelena 276 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:23.399 now of the Thunderbolt slash New Avengers, and I was 277 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.519 so afraid it was going to turn into Thunderbolts too 278 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:29.759 for a minute, but I like that she just is 279 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:33.159 there to help with a little bit of information. This 280 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:36.639 movie feels very much like a detective story, which I 281 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.720 think I really appreciate this whole idea of what is 282 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:43.799 going on. We introduce that mystery of this tank being 283 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:47.440 driven by this old lady very early on in this. 284 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:50.559 We've got the opening montage. We first see the tank 285 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:53.159 at eight point thirty something like that. I don't know, 286 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:56.240 but it depends on if you include the Marvel logo 287 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:59.879 at the beginning. By the way, I came late to 288 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:03.519 this movie, I for whatever reason, thought that this started 289 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:06.679 at one thirty. But it started at one. But thank goodness, 290 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:09.799 my theater, which didn't used to have a long pre show, 291 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:11.519 now has a very long pre show. 292 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.759 Yes, about to say, it's double the link. 293 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:17.840 So I missed the first five minutes, but thank goodness, 294 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:21.600 there's already a rock. Yes, so twenty five minutes a 295 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:25.600 pre show. So I didn't see any trailers, none of 296 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:27.919 the commercials, nothing, So I'm. 297 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:28.919 Happy about that. 298 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:32.840 So I walked in when the tank was already rolling 299 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:34.159 down the street. 300 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:38.159 So what you're saying is you missed the nonsensical preview 301 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:41.679 for doomsday that has no bearing on anything and has 302 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:44.600 not gotten me excited for it. Okay, cool, good, because 303 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:46.240 I think that's the best way to go into this 304 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:49.240 movie is not being reminded that there are other Marvel 305 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:53.000 things that are possibly not going to be good. Because 306 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:56.600 for all of the success of the MCU, can we 307 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:59.440 take a step back here and just have a conversation 308 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:02.200 about what these movies would have looked like Without that, 309 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:04.440 they would have looked like this movie where it's just 310 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:07.559 we get to see the characters because Marvel owns them, 311 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:12.000 but not everything has to be dialed into the grand 312 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:16.000 mythology that is the MCU. Part of me now, with 313 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:19.119 the success that Marvel has not been having, wishes that 314 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:22.640 they maybe hadn't gotten so far so quickly with the 315 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:25.599 MCU and flamed out as much as they had, because 316 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:29.119 this Spider Man movie is really a return to form 317 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:31.480 of a kind of superhero movie that we haven't had 318 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.799 in a while. You think about the last MCU movies 319 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:37.400 we've had, they've all been like directly dialed into the 320 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:40.440 main mythos of this kind of multiverse story arc. This 321 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:43.039 movie has none of that, Like you said, with Black 322 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:46.720 Widow and Punisher, like they're there, but they're not there 323 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:49.599 to the point where it distracts from Spider Man. This 324 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:53.000 is a Spider Man movie and I know the last 325 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:56.400 one had for Spider Man Editor three, but this one 326 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:58.359 is so much more a Spider Man movie because I 327 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:00.559 feel like, for the first time it after is the 328 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:05.000 tone of just he's just a kid. He has these powers, 329 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.599 and he doesn't even necessarily understand the powers, especially in 330 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:11.200 this movie, because we're getting the Man Spider story, but 331 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.200 we get to actually see Spider Man just dealing with 332 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:17.039 what it's like to be a superhero in a world 333 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:20.119 where the superheroes don't just have a needing place to 334 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:21.039 go hang out at. 335 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:24.680 We don't even see Avenger's Tower in this which I 336 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:26.240 was pretty grateful for. 337 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.440 It's so contained. If you hadn't seen some of the 338 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:33.720 other MCU movies, you would not know, other than certain 339 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:35.400 lines that they drop in this movie that there was 340 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:40.279 a bigger world out there. Hulk and Black Widow and 341 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:43.480 Punisher we understand that they've existed within this framework. This 342 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:46.200 is not the first time they're being introduced, and I 343 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.160 think even if you're just coming to this movie as 344 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:50.680 someone who's never seen an MCU movie, I think you'd 345 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:53.359 be able to understand what had happened to this point 346 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:55.599 in some of their relations. But at the same time, 347 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.880 because Spider Man is an unknown quantity as Peter Parker, 348 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:00.920 but only known as Spider Man, and they have an 349 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.480 interesting kind of conceit that they can play with here 350 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.000 to get away with that they wouldn't otherwise. If we 351 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.359 didn't have that, we'd have to be oh, hey, doctor 352 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:11.000 Banner once again from the eight million times. It's like, 353 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:14.119 I don't need any of that. Genuinely, I'm so glad 354 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:16.839 that this is such a singular Spider Man movie in 355 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:18.640 the way that they've presented it. 356 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:21.799 It feels like this movie is comfortable in its own skin. 357 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:25.799 It doesn't feel beholden to so many things, even with 358 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:28.960 cam Urbertfifs the last movie or the movie before. I 359 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:32.200 think it was the second one where they were talking 360 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:35.319 about the blip a lot. Yeah, I didn't go back 361 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:38.000 and rewatch all of these. Instead, for whatever reason, I 362 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:42.759 ended up rewatching The Fantastic four First Steps yesterday, and 363 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:46.079 I think it was just the idea of setting us 364 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:49.480 up for them coming into the rest of the MCU. 365 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:53.359 That also ties into Thunderbolts with them watching the footage 366 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:55.839 at the end. So I was trying to refresh my 367 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:57.960 wife a little bit about that stuff and just okay, 368 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:00.359 this is where we're at with things. And once I 369 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.000 started to get into the j Jonah Jamison stuff, she 370 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:05.039 was just like, okay enough. I was like, and I 371 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:07.119 was glad because he didn't show up in here, and 372 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:07.759 I was they do. 373 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:10.319 I don't even know how they would explain that anymore. 374 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:12.640 I guess they could. Honestly, now would have been the 375 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:15.000 way to do it, because j Jonah Jamison wouldn't know 376 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:17.839 who he is, so just be like that that pesky 377 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:23.599 Spider Man whatever. Yeah, But honestly, I Doctor Pearlmutter and 378 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:26.319 I on my show, we often talk about choices that 379 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:28.119 you make when you're making a film, but also the 380 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:30.720 choices that they don't make, and the fact that they 381 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:34.559 don't lean on j Jonah Jamison, I think is impressive. 382 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:37.480 We don't need it. It's again, there's just like I 383 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:39.960 don't need Uncle Ben. I don't need Uncle Ben at all. 384 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:44.519 Aunt May, I think has been instrumental. Marissa Tomay has 385 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:49.119 been instrumental at really helping ground Peter Parker and Spider 386 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:54.200 Man in a emotionally resonant way that the other Spider 387 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:57.119 Man movies kind of never met. Andrew Garfield movies really 388 00:20:57.160 --> 00:20:58.799 never hit it. They told me a Maguire ones a 389 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:01.119 little bit Cliff Robertson was a pretty good Uncle Ben. 390 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:03.839 But we get to genuinely feel like this Spider Man 391 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:05.640 is a human being, and a lot of that comes 392 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:09.319 from just them not doing the things you would expect. 393 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.519 No Uncle Ben, Marisa Toomey instead, Aunt May, no j 394 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:17.559 Jonah Jamison, just the city being appreciative of Spider Man, 395 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:20.599 and they're not being any kind of wiggle room. I know, 396 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:23.079 in our day and age, if a person like Spider 397 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:25.720 Man existed, there would be all kinds of insane conspiracy 398 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:28.440 theory shit. But I like that in this movie, it's 399 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:31.000 just like the city is pulling for Spider Man collectively. 400 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:34.400 I like that. I genuinely think that for me, that 401 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:36.799 gives me an idea in a sense that the people 402 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:40.480 that are making these movies don't feel super tied to 403 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:45.960 having to do constant MCU future proofing setup bullshit. This 404 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:47.400 movie is just like, you know what, who knows if 405 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.680 in the next movie they'll just love Spider Man as 406 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:51.880 much as they do now. But in this movie it works, 407 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:54.119 I think tonally where they're coming from. 408 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:56.599 It works absolutely, And that was one of the things 409 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:59.279 I liked about the reemi Spider Man was when it 410 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:02.400 was sider Man Day and they had the woman like 411 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:06.240 playing the violin and doing the Spider Man theme and stuff. 412 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:08.359 And I always like how they will work in the 413 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:11.519 Spider Man theme, like here for ned with his app 414 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:14.960 and everything, having that as the little notification tone. I 415 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:16.960 thought that was good. But yeah, it was very nice 416 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:20.400 to see the whole city pulling for Spider Man rather 417 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:23.920 than he's an outlaw. We've we got that a little 418 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:27.400 bit with the Dark Knight, that that whole thing at 419 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:29.240 the end where it's like, oh no, I'll take all 420 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:31.640 the blame for everything. And he runs off into the 421 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:34.599 shadows with his big ears flapping back and forth, and 422 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:37.960 then he just fucks off. There is no outlaw Batman 423 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:39.599 that we get to see in the third movie. He 424 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:43.920 just disappears into Wayne Manor and never comes out again. 425 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:46.279 He becomes I think he even makes a joke about 426 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:49.920 Howard Hughes, so yeah, and I think there's even a 427 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:52.720 talk about keeping his urine and jars. But here, I 428 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:56.039 like that everybody knows who he is and everybody's okay 429 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:59.440 with it. Like that he is able to walk into 430 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.680 Lena's apartment building nobody freaks out because it's Spider Man. 431 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:05.680 They just know who he is and he's just part 432 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:09.119 of the city. And I do like that relationship he 433 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:11.359 has with the cop. I think that's pretty nice. She's 434 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:13.759 kind of a surrogate mom a little bit to him. 435 00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:18.839 But yeah, Aunt May is so crucial and that is 436 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:21.880 his core memory. When are we going to get to 437 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:23.319 the spoilers with this one. 438 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:25.279 I think we have to. Okay, when I think we 439 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:27.839 both agree, go see this movie in theaters. Yeah, if 440 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:30.400 you see only one MCU movie this year in theaters, 441 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:33.079 it's probably I would lean into it being this one. 442 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:35.359 You're not going to have a bad time with this movie. 443 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:40.680 When Jean Gray first tries to enter into his mind. 444 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:44.279 The worst kept secret in the MCAU since Toby Maguire 445 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:46.559 Andrew Garfield being in another Spider Man movie. 446 00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:49.440 I'm very glad because I had no idea. I honestly 447 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.400 had no idea what was happening in this movie. I 448 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:55.200 didn't watch any of the previews. 449 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:59.279 Previews they spoiled it by accident on the red carpet 450 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:01.480 last week. Okay, when one of the people was like 451 00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:03.359 that my favorite part of the movie is Gene and 452 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:05.480 that was the first time anyone had said anything publicly 453 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:07.440 about it up until a week ago. 454 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:09.720 So yeah, I loved that. I didn't know who the 455 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:12.599 bad guy was walking into this. I saw the hand, 456 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:15.720 the Red hand or whatever. For a brief second, I 457 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.759 thought I saw a Scorpion, And I really thought Scorpion 458 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:20.920 was going to be our main villain in this movie, 459 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:24.359 with the way that he was introduced, which was just bizarre. 460 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:27.400 But I liked when he shows up and I thought 461 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:29.680 it was a really good suit and it's just nice 462 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:33.079 to see a classic villain like that. So when Jean 463 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:36.519 tries to enter into his head the first time, that's 464 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:38.599 the memory that comes up, and that's the memory that 465 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:41.880 keeps going back to. And that for me is basically, 466 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:45.720 with great power comes great responsibility. But we don't hear 467 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:47.880 that in this movie, and I was kind of glad 468 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:50.799 for it. It's like we're breaking with tradition in all 469 00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:51.880 the right ways for me. 470 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.200 They're hinting at it, they're remixing it. We have the 471 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:58.839 Keith David kind of commentary that goes on during that 472 00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:02.039 Spider document that Peter's watching, which did you watch any 473 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:03.559 of the previews for this movie? Didn't watch any of 474 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:06.039 the previews. You should go back and watch some of 475 00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:07.839 the previews because the way that they use the Keith 476 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:12.440 David narration is really good, Like it's really well done. 477 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:14.680 It really makes you feel like the people that are 478 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:17.240 making this movie are telling a Spider Man story. The 479 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:19.319 last great Spider Man story I think anyone told was 480 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:21.400 the video games, Like those Spider Man video games that 481 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:24.480 have come out in PlayStation. Are the people who make 482 00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:26.880 those games get it. They're able to really like, you 483 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:28.960 have the whole city, you have a whole cadre of 484 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:33.160 villains and heroes to mess around with. But they really 485 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.880 get to the idea of what spider Man, this version 486 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:38.559 of Spider Man is and what his story in this 487 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:44.160 movie is, which is finding himself again and who he is? 488 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:47.759 Is he Peter Parker? Is he Spider Man? By the 489 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.079 end of the movie, I love that it's I'm both 490 00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:54.920 and I can be both, And I like that it's 491 00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:56.920 that moment and you know what, it feels like. It 492 00:25:56.960 --> 00:25:59.359 feels like the reverse I Am iron Man moment, and 493 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:02.200 it feels like this is a brand new day feels 494 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:06.400 more like a I would say, for me, brand new 495 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.039 day seems more about the mcu as a whole and 496 00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:13.240 less just Spider Man, because for me, that feels like 497 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:16.400 this movie's big I Am spider Man moment, right, he 498 00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:18.720 could literally echo the I Am iron Man moment, but 499 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.720 instead it's I am both, And that is so important 500 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:26.519 Because Tony Stark, he was either iron Man or Tony Stark. 501 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.440 He had a hard time being both. And I think 502 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:32.799 we kind of saw maybe by the end of an endgame, 503 00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:34.960 even an endgame he says I am iron Man. That 504 00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:38.319 ends up being like the whole ego centric mantra, that's 505 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:40.799 who Tony Stark is. Right, He could have been Tony 506 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:42.319 Stark at the end of that movie, and instead it 507 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:44.920 was about being iron Man that one last time, and 508 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.319 in him being iron Man that one last time, he 509 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:51.240 sacrifices everything. I don't think Peter Parker wants to sacrifice 510 00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:54.319 everything to be Spider Man. He wants to be both. 511 00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:57.640 And I like that this movie again, it's more emotionally 512 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:00.839 in tune with what I was hoping Spider Man movie 513 00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:04.839 could be than any Spider Man movie before. Genuinely, this 514 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:09.920 is an emotionally engaging Spider Man movie. Tell me the 515 00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:13.160 last time an mcu movie was emotionally engaging, genuinely. I 516 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:16.599 don't even think there has been one. Maybe the Eternals, 517 00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:20.799 which I know will piss a shitload of people off, 518 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:22.400 but it is the truth. 519 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:27.000 I don't know. For me, it's endgame. I really teared 520 00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:30.599 up when you hear Sam say on your left that 521 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.480 whole end battle. There's a lot of great moments in there, 522 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.000 so I was really into that one, and I would 523 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:39.240 have to say the previous one with Infinity War when 524 00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:42.599 Thor shows up, I mean the whole audience, including me, 525 00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:47.960 was cheering ourselves out, and when Black Panther bit it, 526 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:50.839 I was pretty emotional as well, not as emotional as 527 00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:53.279 some of the people in the audience, but it was 528 00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:55.799 really sad to see him go because he was becoming 529 00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:58.480 a favorite character. Rip Chadwick Boseman. 530 00:27:58.599 --> 00:27:59.440 But there were a. 531 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.680 Lot of moments for me in that In this world, 532 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.960 I think when Aunt may bid it in the last one, 533 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.960 I was pretty upset and really had hoped that wouldn't happen. 534 00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:11.559 But yeah, there are a lot of moments in this 535 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:13.720 where I was just like, oh wow, I could really 536 00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:17.599 feel the heartstrings being tugged, you know, especially with all 537 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:22.400 the stuff with both Ned and MJ which was really 538 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.920 it's I like those characters so much, and I like 539 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.519 the actress that played them so much, especially the guy 540 00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.319 that plays Ned. He does such a great job. I 541 00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:33.599 don't know if you've ever seen Reginald the Vampire, but 542 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:37.319 he's the star of that show, really good show based 543 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.599 on a book series called Fat Vampire. I think he 544 00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:44.319 plays the perfect fat vampire. And I just love what 545 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.160 a fan of Spider Man he is without being a 546 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:50.759 creep in this and I love his theories on who 547 00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.160 Spider Man actually is. I think that's the only time 548 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.200 we see Flash. I was afraid that Flash was her 549 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.440 boyfriend when he showed up, but I was quickly dissuaded. 550 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:01.480 I was like, oh wait, no, that's just another guy 551 00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:02.880 with longer black hair. 552 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:07.079 An Indian, another Indian looking actor. It was very funny 553 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:08.960 because I thought the same thing when he came on screen. No, 554 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:12.480 we only see Tony Revelori in the one shot with him, 555 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:14.680 and I think it's Martin Starr because they were both 556 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:17.839 from the last three movies. Again, there's not a lot 557 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:21.960 from the first three movies. There's a lot from MCU stuff, 558 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:25.519 if there's MCU stuff, but there's not a lot from 559 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.480 the previous movies other than MJ and Ned, which I liked. 560 00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:32.599 I genuinely thought, like good reject the other spot. I 561 00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:36.799 guess there's Scorpion, but again, Scorpion was barely a part 562 00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:39.039 of those other movies anyways. It's not like Scorpion was 563 00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:40.519 a main villain. He was about as much of a 564 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:42.640 villain in those movies as he is in this, which 565 00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:46.279 is to say he's being piloted by somebody else or 566 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.920 has a different engagement with Spider Man. That's not just 567 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.160 a direct villain, because wasn't it in the first movie 568 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:56.960 he was stealing the equipment from damage Control or whatever 569 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.880 damage control was with a clar was vulture, but he 570 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:04.240 was part of cultures saying oh yeah, yeah, right right, 571 00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:08.119 that's why looks like Culture's gear, because they're all it's 572 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.440 all kind of chatari tech, I'm pretty sure, is what 573 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.839 this all was originally. And that's the thing. There are 574 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:17.799 things that have fed into this movie that are deep 575 00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:21.039 MCU stuff. I guess when I meant emotional things like 576 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:24.599 not characters dying or big stand up moments, but actually 577 00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:27.720 engaging with the character as what it means to be 578 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:32.480 a superhero and that's not something that these MCU movies 579 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:36.160 have been interested in doing. The only time we've really 580 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:38.400 seen that in a big budget movie is those Chris 581 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.720 Nolan Batman movies, And I think this movie is in 582 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.000 a lot of ways what those movies could have been, 583 00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:47.640 which is, what does it mean for a person to 584 00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:50.480 give up their life to do this, because it's kind 585 00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:52.680 of hard to have a normal life if you're doing this, 586 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.400 And Spider Man is now taking upon himself to see 587 00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:58.599 what it is that he could do to balance those 588 00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:02.240 things out, because stay your own by yourself is clearly 589 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:06.680 not a viable option in the MCU. So I'm excited 590 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.720 to see where they go with it because they seem 591 00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.519 to be getting at the fact that Spider Man. Any 592 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.039 future Spider Man movie will have more of this kind 593 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.039 of stuff, more him engaging and interacting with other people. 594 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:21.799 It won't It'll be a Spider Man movie with other people, 595 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:24.200 not so much like Spider Man in someone else's movie 596 00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.319 a La Captain America Civil War, because that was not 597 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:28.359 a Spider Man movie. He just happened to be in it, 598 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:30.839 which still one of the smartest things they've done was 599 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.920 introducing him in a movie that wasn't his own movie. 600 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:38.319 Absolutely, him jumping onto the screen after the under rus 601 00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:39.400 thing was just. 602 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:41.680 That was still paying off to this day. 603 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:46.559 The audience went fucking crazy for that man. Yeah, and 604 00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:50.519 I again, this is very much a detective story, him 605 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:53.000 trying to find out what's going on at damage control. 606 00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.279 He even gives a Colombo line as he's leaving the 607 00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.640 office of the guy who's running damage control. He literally 608 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.799 does one more thing and he's talking about the whole 609 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:07.039 Vmax thing and asking me about that big vault. What 610 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.000 could be behind the door of that big vault. I 611 00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:12.240 like that. It's kind of a mcguffin. I don't think 612 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.839 there's anything inside that vault because they get in there, 613 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:18.400 but she doesn't get what she wants. There is nothing 614 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.039 waiting in there. When they kept talking about Vmax, I 615 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:25.079 kept thinking, oh, Venom Max or something like that. I 616 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.359 was just like, Oh God, I hope it's not the symbiote. 617 00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:29.680 I really hope we're not going that way. The other 618 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.839 thing I was very surprised about is just the limits 619 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:37.920 of the mutation that Spider Man is undergoing. I really 620 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.519 thought we were going to see full fledged man Spider 621 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.240 by the end of this movie. 622 00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.119 I was hoping for it as someone who enjoyed the 623 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:49.559 cartoon in the nineties. I always think of that Spider 624 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.559 Man toy with the spider face and the six arms, 625 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.279 Like I knew they were not going to do it. 626 00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.200 They did. I guess they did as close as they 627 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.519 were ever gonna do, right, Like, this is more like 628 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.240 that story. And again this was when I was reading 629 00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.440 the comics. I've lapsed on reading comics, but when I 630 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:10.359 was well fifteen or sixteen is when the other came out. 631 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:13.480 And that's more what this is. It's like, he doesn't 632 00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:17.920 turn into a man spider, he just becomes more like 633 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:23.480 a spider. The spider DNA is becoming more reactive for whatever. Again, 634 00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:27.640 mcguffin reason the let's add Bruce Banner to this movie 635 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:29.759 of it all, which I think works again if we're 636 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.680 leaning into now, because then again I joked about it 637 00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:35.079 when we open the episode like Emma's for Mutation, they 638 00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.960 say it a lot. And if you didn't know X 639 00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.160 Men were gonna be in this movie, they gave it away. 640 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:42.599 Before Gene Gray ever shows up. He's like mutant this 641 00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:45.079 and muting that, and it's my RNA and it's my 642 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.440 DNA and the mutation, and it's like, can we talk 643 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:49.880 about how they've done this before, because they already did 644 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.119 this with Scarlet Witch. The X Men have been in 645 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.440 the MCU well in a decade now, but they had. 646 00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.720 To explain it all the way. They couldn't use. 647 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.119 Em planing it all the way here too, is my point, 648 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:04.759 they're doing the same thing that they did with Scarlet Witch, 649 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.440 where it's like we have them and we're trying to 650 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:11.000 figure out their powers, and in us figuring out their powers, 651 00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.800 they are able to better understand and then have an 652 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:17.639 amplified version of their powers afterward, which is literally what 653 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:19.639 happens in this movie by the end of it. I 654 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.679 don't know if Jean Gray could do that stuff ahead 655 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:23.440 of time, but by the end of the movie, she's 656 00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:27.320 able to literally create a bubble like fifty miles or something. 657 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:29.400 It's like a huge like one hundred and ten kilometers 658 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.840 or something around her what she hasn't been able to 659 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:34.599 do upen to that point. So it makes me think 660 00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.920 what they were doing in this movie exacerbated that. Just 661 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.639 like with Scarlet Witch being who is she being? Was 662 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:42.360 it Baron Morto not Morto? 663 00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:42.639 No? 664 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:43.800 Who the hell was it. 665 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.519 But that whole thing was because of the Infinity Stones, 666 00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:49.079 which didn't really make a lot of sense. I kept wondering, 667 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.519 if they destroy the Infinity Stones, or once Theanos gets 668 00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:57.119 his glove on the Infinity Stones, wouldn't all of their 669 00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.639 powers just go away? Wouldn't even kep him? Because you 670 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:05.480 got to remember Captain Marvel Quicksilver vision, like all these 671 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:09.039 guys are being powered by the Yeah, powered by the 672 00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:12.679 Infinity Stones, which is wild. That was the way we 673 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.039 could explain all this stuff. Why we couldn't even use 674 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:18.280 the word mutant. We had to use whatever that stuff, 675 00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:22.960 the Agents of Shield, which tied into the short lived 676 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:26.400 TV show that was so bad, the Immortals. 677 00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:27.360 The Immortals, the one with black. 678 00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:31.280 Bowl, yes, and the one with the CGI hair. 679 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.239 Yeah. Yeah. So all I mean the project Kevin Figy 680 00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.480 wishes we didn't mention in this podcast. 681 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:40.760 So all that stuff was we need to get around 682 00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:45.079 mutations somehow, we need another way to explain how people 683 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:48.920 have powers. It was a radioactive spider, It's gamma radiation. 684 00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.719 That was one way of doing it before we had 685 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:56.039 the mutants. And yeah, I appreciate that we have mutations here. 686 00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.440 I appreciate too, once she forms that bubble around herself. 687 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:03.039 It really reminded me of the moment when Professor X 688 00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:06.440 has a freak out and Logan and everyone is paused 689 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.360 and can't move. Only Logan can you get through it 690 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:14.559 because of his healing mutation. I like that a lot, and. 691 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.159 It feels like this movie was made with that future 692 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:21.599 proofing in mind, because we already have how they're going 693 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:25.800 to have some of the mutants in the mcub because 694 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:29.960 they're just gonna be reformed versions of the X Men 695 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:34.800 from the Fox Ones, because that's how battle World is, right, 696 00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:37.480 It's just like everything gets mashed together and then we 697 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:39.840 have new versions. So there's gonna be a new Tony 698 00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:42.960 Stark is what like all sorts of new stuff, and 699 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.400 the new X Men are going to be predicated on 700 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:48.599 the old x Men. So anything in this movie is 701 00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:50.639 already more or less we've seen it. Like you said, 702 00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:53.519 in the other X Men movie, they literally have cannon 703 00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:57.280 to draw from. And I'm so glad that we are 704 00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:01.159 finally at this point. I'm sure everybody Marvel is disappointed. 705 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:05.039 It took fucking fourteen years or whatever it is to 706 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.719 this point. Eighteen years, I guess it's eighteen. 707 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.039 Yeah, well two thousand and eight was Iron Man, and 708 00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:14.239 we had stuff before him. Obviously, we had the Spider 709 00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:17.559 Men films and any all the way movies. I can 710 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:20.159 go all the way back to the ground zero of 711 00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.119 like The Incredible Hulk, those kind of things. 712 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:26.199 We don't know with Doomsday how far their net goes back, 713 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:31.079 But I hope whenever we do see more of the Mutants, 714 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:33.760 it's in this same vein that they've done with Geene 715 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:36.559 Gray in this movie, which is giving us something we've 716 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:38.960 seen before in some respects, but in a lot of 717 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:43.000 other ways, mining things that have not been mined before 718 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.119 in the comic books, because we've already seen certain things 719 00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:48.920 in the comics represented in the movies. A lot of 720 00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:50.679 the things that work for me in this movie are 721 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.039 things we've never seen in the movies before that has 722 00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:56.599 never been represented in Spider Man before. Now. A close 723 00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:59.719 friend of mine who I podcast with from time to time, Dustin, 724 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.239 he's huge Spider Man fanly like you are, and you 725 00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:04.360 guys are about the same age, and he was one 726 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:06.320 of his complaints about this movie was like, it's a 727 00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.559 lot of things mashed in that are not necessarily related 728 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.199 in the comic books, and I know you would agree, 729 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.519 because that is the case. These are not necessarily all 730 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.840 going on at the same time in the comics. I 731 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:21.360 think they make it work. I could see, though, how 732 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:23.519 one might take a little bit of umbrage with it, 733 00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:25.760 because they are and they've done this with a lot 734 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.199 of other things, like this is maybe the one mcuie 735 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.440 thing that this movie does. They're clipping certain parts of 736 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:35.559 the story off to make this story smaller to fit together, 737 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.280 good and bad. But if you like some if certain 738 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:42.039 stories resonate with you more than others, I can see 739 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.480 why you might be a little bit miffed that they're 740 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:46.800 cutting parts of the story out to make way for 741 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:50.920 another thing that isn't necessarily representative of the story in 742 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:54.400 the comic books. We've had this conversation before. I think 743 00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:56.000 that the movies are allowed to do whatever the hell 744 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.000 they want, like remix and remaster and do whatever. You're 745 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.360 not beholden to anything. Really, I think there are some 746 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:04.280 things you're beholden to, and I think that's why those 747 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.400 Snyder movies fail so horribly, as like they don't understand 748 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:11.119 the base idea of the characters. These characters, regardless of 749 00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.440 the setting always feel like the characters off the page, 750 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.920 which is the thing that the MCU has always succeeded at, 751 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.320 which is making a character who is at least representative 752 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.360 of the character from the comic books. Maybe it's not 753 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.119 a wonder one, but it's a close amalgamation. 754 00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:28.480 The comics are the comics and the movies are the movies, 755 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.840 and I'm really okay with them being completely different entities. 756 00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:35.800 If I got then to have a shape when it 757 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.599 came to differences between the comics and the movies, I 758 00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:40.719 would never be able to sleep at night. And I 759 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:42.400 just my titles. 760 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.639 More variable people that are like that though, that's true, 761 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:47.360 but I not gonna say unfortunately, Like if you love 762 00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:49.400 something that much, I get it, like I would be 763 00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:51.960 hard pressed to tell you don't. But at the same time, 764 00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:56.239 like you can like both separately, like they can be 765 00:39:56.360 --> 00:40:00.599 loved on equal footing without their being the overlap is 766 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.920 the character And that's all you need to like really say, 767 00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:03.480 And that's it. 768 00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.679 Just the comics themselves have been rebooted and reset and 769 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.320 reinterpreted so many times in the comic books that if 770 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:14.360 a movie wants to do it, as long as they're 771 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.239 doing it well, I'm okay with that. I don't care 772 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.199 about some of the changes because you have to make 773 00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.119 some of these changes. If I was so bent out 774 00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:27.239 of shape about stuff Venom like I already mentioned the 775 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.400 symbio coming in from the Secret Wars, like that was 776 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.719 changed so quickly. I think the first time was in 777 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.480 the cartoon. And again the cartoon has its own history 778 00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.960 and all that stuff. So yeah, okay, rather than it 779 00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:47.679 being something from this like said Battle World with the Beyonder, No, 780 00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:48.519 it's j Jo. 781 00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:48.719 No. 782 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.760 Jamison's son is an astronaut and he brings back this 783 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:56.079 thing with him. Okay, same diff and like I've seen 784 00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:58.840 that in some of the movies, just it comes in 785 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:02.880 different ways. I really don't care. It's yeah, okay, this 786 00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:07.760 is a different Geen Gray, and we're seeing her sister 787 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.280 alive and all these kind of things, which is a 788 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.719 comic book thing. Yeah, I'm really okay with the way 789 00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.480 that they're doing this. I was just so grateful that 790 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:17.840 we see her at the end on a bus and 791 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:21.000 we don't see her pulling up to Xavier's School for 792 00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:21.880 Gifted children. 793 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:24.840 I was so angry. It's a ranger in the north 794 00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:28.719 find him. That's always what I think of is that 795 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:33.360 fucking scene from the end of the Hobbit. That's always 796 00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:36.159 what I think of, because it's just unnecessary. We know 797 00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:40.920 where she's going approximately possibly who knows. 798 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.800 Frankly, we didn't need Wolverine on a motorcycle pulling up 799 00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.519 next to her or something. It's really okay. 800 00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:51.599 Yeah, I will say, as someone who did know the 801 00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:55.320 Sadie sinc of it all pretty poorly kept secret, given 802 00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:58.320 that she's a redhead in the comics. If she's not 803 00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:03.880 Mary Jane, there are a several handful of famous Marvel redheads. 804 00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:06.760 And if you don't just disclose, I don't know, I 805 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:08.960 feel like the fuck it was? Don't do this back 806 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:12.559 and forth bullshit. I'm sick of this. We just you know, what, 807 00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:14.039 what does it have to do with the quality of 808 00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.960 the movie? Nothing? And what you benefit from one day's 809 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.199 worth of people not knowing? I don't get it. Let's 810 00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.480 just stop, just stop with this secret casting nonsense. You 811 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:26.320 get a lot more benefit out of surprising people at 812 00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:28.519 a con than you do when they're sitting down in 813 00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.960 the seats at the movie. Oh my god, a movie 814 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.000 that's gonna have Jeen Gray and Spider Man in it. 815 00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:35.199 That sounds crazy. You could have gotten a lot out 816 00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.760 of that too. There's nothing to be said that people 817 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.960 wouldn't be as excited, if not more excited, to go 818 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.480 see this movie knowing that Jean Gray, an X Men 819 00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:47.559 character that we haven't seen in what ten plus years, 820 00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.000 is gonna be in another Marvel movie, which means we're 821 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.199 gonna get more X Men. Now we have to hide it. 822 00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:56.800 Stop doing the con NOONI and singing stuff. Just stop. 823 00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:00.800 It's just it. We're in the Internet era. It doesn't 824 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:03.000 work in professional wrestling. It doesn't work here. 825 00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:06.480 I'm so glad that I knew nothing about this, right right, it's. 826 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.480 Just fucking annoying at this point. Unless you're intentionally avoiding it, 827 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.480 which is what you do, it's almost damn near imp 828 00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.480 possible to not have it ruined. And so it's just 829 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:17.920 assume that it's going to be ruined. Don't assume that 830 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.559 everybody's gonna be able to shut themselves out to the world. 831 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:23.199 There's an episode of the King of Queens where they're 832 00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:24.880 all trying to watch the Super Bowl and not have 833 00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:26.880 it spoiled for them ahead of time or something like that. 834 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.280 It's like that. It's if you don't watch the movie 835 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.559 after the first weekend. You can't complain if it's spoiled 836 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:33.320 for you if there's something like this in it. So 837 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:35.719 just don't have it be a spoiler. Just have it 838 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.119 be part of the movie, because again I think unlike 839 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.480 and I think that this goes into my criticism of 840 00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.639 a dead Pool Wolverine style movie where the whole movie 841 00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:47.199 is predicated on the fucking twist and there's no substance 842 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.760 between any of it. This movie actually does a lot 843 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:52.559 with the fact that Jean Gray is in the movie 844 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:56.039 and Sadie Sink is really good in this movie. She's 845 00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:58.360 a great actress. Again, as someone who's watched a lot 846 00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.039 of Stranger Things, I can tell you that was like 847 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.679 the thing most people know her from. And towards the 848 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:06.920 latter half of the show, she's not really given much 849 00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.639 to do. But as someone who's seen her grow up 850 00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:13.679 as an actress from a preteen to now in her twenties, 851 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.880 she's a great actress. She's a great dramatic actress. She 852 00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:20.119 gives the character of Jean Gray a lot of intensity 853 00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.239 that a character like that needs. Because if we're going 854 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.239 in the direction that I think we are going with 855 00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:28.000 that character, which is a Dark Phoenix story or a 856 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.800 Phoenix story, you need to have a character that can 857 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:35.320 have a level of aggression that the MCU has not 858 00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:38.320 seen before. It's like Scarlet Witch on steroids. 859 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.639 I hope to god they don't do another Dark Phoenix 860 00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:44.039 story because we've seen it so many times. I mean 861 00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.920 the whole thing of the alien tech and all that stuff. 862 00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.159 I mean again, we've seen the Dark Phoenix story told 863 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:56.119 so many times. I don't go to comic book conventions 864 00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:58.880 very much at all. I think I've been to a 865 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:02.639 couple in Toronto because I was invited to host some 866 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:05.960 Q and a's that's what we met Mike, Yeah, exactly. 867 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:10.039 And I went to a MotorCity comic con down here 868 00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:14.840 maybe WI maybe just the one time. And I remember 869 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.760 hanging out with my friend Mitch and we're going through 870 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:19.840 comics and I'm just like, oh, look it's a Dark 871 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.360 Phoenix story. Oh look it's another Dark Phoenix story. And 872 00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.920 I had some nerdling kind of go off on me, 873 00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:29.840 like they've only done that storyline twice, and I was like, no, 874 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.159 I think you're very wrong. And I went out to 875 00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:36.760 a website that had a lot of different comic book covers, 876 00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:40.000 and I just found over and over again all of 877 00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:43.519 the Dark Phoenix storylines. There were probably twenty at least, 878 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:47.119 and I'm like, kid, they've done this to death. And 879 00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:49.320 so even seeing it in the movies, that was such 880 00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:51.599 a major part of one of those first X Men. 881 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:53.639 I think it was even part of one of that 882 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:57.639 whole James McAvoy world of Men as well. 883 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:02.199 Yeah, I think you might not go back talk about things. 884 00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:06.280 I'm not gonna rewatch in preparation for doomsday. Those movies, 885 00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.440 you know what, I might just to remind myself how 886 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:11.480 bad they are, because I will say, as someone who 887 00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:14.679 is a Michael Fossbender fan, he is really good as 888 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:17.039 he is good in movies, which is to be fair, 889 00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:19.800 he's can I just call him white? Idris Elba? He 890 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.119 seems to be in bad movies, but he's always good 891 00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:24.639 in them, which is Idris Elba's thing as well. He's 892 00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.960 in bad movies all the time. He's not the bad part. 893 00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:30.559 But I saw a dark Tower in theaters. I have 894 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:31.119 a right to. 895 00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:33.800 Complain Assassin's creed, my friend. 896 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.239 Oh yeah, there you go. It's interesting though, because again 897 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.199 the X Men we've heard about for years now that 898 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:43.280 they're going to come into the MCU. And what's funny is, 899 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:45.840 in a lot of ways, they're just like Spider Man 900 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.960 used to be. We heard over and over again that 901 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:50.199 Spider Man was going to be in the MCU, because 902 00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.239 Spider Man didn't get introduced into the MCU until twenty sixteen, 903 00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:56.599 which is eight years into the MCU. So the X 904 00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.280 Men are like the next it was the Fantastic Four. 905 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:01.960 A Again, the Fantastic Four, I feel like are less 906 00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:03.880 of a big deal than the X Men, only because 907 00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:06.840 those Fantastic Four movies didn't have the legs that X 908 00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.480 Men did. I think those X Men movies were successful enough. 909 00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:12.199 They kept making the X Men movies because those movies 910 00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.000 were successful, not because just because they had the license 911 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.800 like they did with Fantastic Four. X Men, I think 912 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.760 are so evergreen that they knew they were going to 913 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:23.119 be able to get a lot of mileage out of 914 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.159 a Spider Man movie. So it was smart to put 915 00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:27.360 an X Men character in here. And I think it's 916 00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:29.360 also smart to put an X Men character that's not 917 00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:32.639 one of the ones that you would expect. It's not 918 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:35.079 a Cyclops or a Wolverine like you said, or a 919 00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:38.360 Professor X, like Jean Gray, a character that, like you 920 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:40.840 already said, Dark Phoenix is a story that they have 921 00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.400 done before. My contention is they haven't done it well. 922 00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:45.519 I don't need to see them do it again. But 923 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:48.920 it does seem like we're trending in a aggression as 924 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.440 being output by Jean Gray. We kind of see the 925 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.679 way it affects Spider Man because Spider Man starts going Symbio, 926 00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.079 which I think is obviously there's a setup there in 927 00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.320 that as well. There's a setup for both of these characters, 928 00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.320 as it were, to become these darker versions of themselves. 929 00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:04.719 I don't need a Dark Phoenix thing, but I do 930 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:06.920 think it's smart that we have a character that doesn't 931 00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:10.960 have a massive, built in iconic fan base the way 932 00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:15.079 a Cyclops or a Wolverine or a Magneto or Professor X. 933 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:18.199 And I think beyond those four any character would have 934 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:21.519 been fair game. That's why Deadpool used Colossus. That's the 935 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:23.639 way I look at it. You can get mileage out 936 00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:27.519 of lesser X Men characters by it have them interacting 937 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:31.119 with characters that are tonally very different from themselves. 938 00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:33.960 And what have we had so far? We've had Professor 939 00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:38.880 X show up in the Doctor Strange movie. 940 00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:40.079 I always forget about them. 941 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.719 We have beasts show up in the Marvels. 942 00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:46.199 Yeah, that's the one that they've never readdressed, And I 943 00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.840 guess technically they never readdressed the Professor X one either. 944 00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:51.880 And that was nice too because we had Blackpoll show up, 945 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:53.519 which I think is probably gonna be one of the 946 00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:56.079 few times we ever see those guys. 947 00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:59.119 Who knows the Battle world. I don't know, I would 948 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.559 assume so, But the same time, maybe they recast that 949 00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:04.920 character and have somebody else play them. And it's actually 950 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.079 a critical part of the next part of the MCU. 951 00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.119 Who knows I would personally like to see the next 952 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:11.800 part of the MCU have nothing to do with a 953 00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.639 lot of the characters we've already seen. Have some characters 954 00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.280 that allow us to be grounded in that world, but 955 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:20.079 don't give us like, oh, new tone, he's dark, I 956 00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:23.000 don't who cares good. But give us a new Black 957 00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:26.000 Bolt or a new somebody else. I know they're gonna 958 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.760 give us iron Man because it's I'm sure, But there's 959 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.159 a lot of interesting room and places to go and 960 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.119 having a gen Gray in this movie. If you had 961 00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:35.800 told me they're gonna have an X Men character in 962 00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:39.280 a Spider Man movie, obviously, I know where my brain 963 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:42.599 goes immediately. It's Wolverine, because Wolverine was a big part 964 00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:46.400 of Ultimate Spider Man in the comic books. But if 965 00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.679 you're gonna have a character that can interact with a 966 00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:51.960 Spider Man who is searching for himself and at odds 967 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.239 with himself, that's Gene Gray already as a character. So 968 00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:58.000 to have them on this parallel course in this movie 969 00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.719 where they intersect at the end with him and her 970 00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:05.320 in his mind and her interacting with Marissa Tome, that 971 00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:08.480 seems really good. That's what I mean by the emotional 972 00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:12.800 core of this movie is unlike any other MCU movie 973 00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:15.159 i've seen that, Like, it's not just a character dying, 974 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.199 it's a character having an internal conversation with themselves about 975 00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:21.559 their place in the world and what that means for 976 00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:24.639 them as a person and as a superhero. And none 977 00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:28.000 of these movies have really had enough time or slowed 978 00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:31.719 down enough to do that genuinely. And that's a shame, 979 00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:33.840 because if you do it, you can actually do it 980 00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:37.039 pretty well. There is a lot of emotionality behind these 981 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.559 characters in the comic books. People are invested in these 982 00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:41.920 characters not just because they beat the shit out of villains. 983 00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:44.920 It's because Spider Man is a teenager, and we were 984 00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.760 all a freak teenager at one point. Jean Gray is 985 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:50.360 at odds with herself because we all have an internal 986 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.760 struggle sometimes with the person we want to be in 987 00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:53.519 the person we are. 988 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:53.639 Like. 989 00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.119 Those are things that they understand in the comics that 990 00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.880 the MCU has always had a joke for. There's not 991 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.960 to cut away to a fucking joke in this movie, man, 992 00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:05.039 it's wild. 993 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:10.079 I was so surprised that Hal Sparks was not the 994 00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:13.199 person in the elevator when he's wearing the girl's T 995 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.239 shirt and pants. Wish I kind of was hoping that 996 00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:18.599 he would say, nice outfit. 997 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.440 I wish that's the crossover we needed. 998 00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:24.360 Right, Where's hell Sparks when you need this guy? I'm 999 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.599 amazed I can remember how Sparks's name. But I was 1000 00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:28.159 a big Queerest Folk fan. 1001 00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:29.760 I thought you were gonna say, you're a big fan 1002 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:32.199 of I love the seventies, I love the eighties. Oh 1003 00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:32.920 my god, he. 1004 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.880 Money out of that. Do you know who I feel 1005 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:41.440 the worst for in this entire movie? Is poor Bruce 1006 00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:44.480 Banner man, Oh my god, the way they're carting him 1007 00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:46.719 off to the hospital and they're just like, yeah, he's 1008 00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:48.440 gonna be in Bellevue now, And I'm like. 1009 00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:51.960 Don't worry, folks, He'll get the help he needs. Like 1010 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:54.800 that episode of The Simpsons where they're carting Homer off 1011 00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.000 and he's having the shit being out of him. He's 1012 00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.800 gonna go somewhere that will help him. Yeah, fucking be like. 1013 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.840 Oh boy, I felt so bad. And that's one of 1014 00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:07.199 the things that I think they bring up slightly and 1015 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:11.119 they don't necessarily mine it, maybe as much as they can, 1016 00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.639 but I'm ambivalent about it. This whole idea of the 1017 00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.480 power suppression, the stuff that this is. 1018 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:19.039 It all right, this is the mutant of it all, 1019 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.920 because now Bruce Banner is a mutant too. Technically I 1020 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:22.840 guess he always was. 1021 00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:26.960 But yeah, ish, but this whole thing of being able 1022 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.880 to repress somebody's power. So we saw that in Deadpool 1023 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:33.920 two with those collars and the way that Deadpool was 1024 00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:38.199 back to being riddled with cancer because his powers were 1025 00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:41.719 turned off. We get a little bit of that there, 1026 00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.800 but here I'm glad the ball of Oar Trask is 1027 00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.000 in this one. I have to say one of the 1028 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:51.280 scenes that really worked the best for me was when 1029 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:55.039 Spider Man is having his problems and he's trying to 1030 00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:59.239 use that power inhibitor on himself and he falls and 1031 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.760 there's this big explosion of webs. The one guy comes 1032 00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:04.679 up to him and starts talking to him, and I'm 1033 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.760 just like, who the hell is this And then I realized, oh, 1034 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:12.079 he's possessed that scene. That guy who plays that possessed 1035 00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:16.039 person though, he did a wonderful job. And then I 1036 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:20.239 really like how Jeane is bouncing from person to person 1037 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:23.920 not necessarily where they fly forward and they have her 1038 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:26.880 spirit entering them. I'm talking about when the people on 1039 00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:29.880 the street start all using her voice. I thought that 1040 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:30.920 was really good. 1041 00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:35.719 Yeah, it's very Elias Cotias of her very yes, is 1042 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:38.519 it that movie at the Fallen but Fallen? Yeah? 1043 00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:39.599 Is on my side. 1044 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.880 Yeah, I was waiting for her to start saying it. Man, 1045 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.000 That's what it felt like, because it's like the people 1046 00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:47.679 like do that like reaction thing and they're like, hello, 1047 00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:50.360 Spider Man. It works really well and I think it's 1048 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:52.840 a fun power that we have not seen in the MCU. 1049 00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:55.719 And how do you counter that power. Oh you don't, 1050 00:53:56.199 --> 00:54:00.119 I guess if you're Spider Man. It's like a solidarity 1051 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:03.639 of the mind that the strong minded are able to 1052 00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.719 keep Jean Gray at bay. But if you are weak 1053 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.119 mind and of weak will, like and look you see 1054 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.719 the hand right, they are supposed to be these like 1055 00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:15.320 Japanese assassins that are of steely mind and steel willed, 1056 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.679 and like here they are being taken over by Jean Gray. 1057 00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:20.400 Her powers are again she took over the Hulk, so 1058 00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:23.039 you know, it's one person at the beginning, and then 1059 00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:25.239 it becomes like whole groups of people by the end 1060 00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:27.840 of the movie. So her power is just being amplified 1061 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:30.679 more and more. She is a terrifying character. 1062 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:33.079 Well and literally at this point in the movie when 1063 00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:36.920 she's using that guy and when Spider Man starts to 1064 00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:40.519 look at his own apartment and see her and see 1065 00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:43.679 this guy using her voice, I still don't know who 1066 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:47.719 it is. So I wish that you had that experience 1067 00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:49.800 that I had where I did not know that Jean 1068 00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.559 Gray was in this movie, so I just kept wondering, 1069 00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:56.039 who is this person who is controlling all of this stuff. 1070 00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:59.679 It worked wonderfully, even when he sees her in the 1071 00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:03.679 car and takes that picture of her. I still don't 1072 00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.000 know who that is. I'm just like, who is this girl? 1073 00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:09.039 Who could this be? I honestly did not know for 1074 00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:12.480 quite a while afterwards who that was. So I thought 1075 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.400 that It's one of those where I always go back to, 1076 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:18.599 because I'm old. I always go back to, what if 1077 00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:21.840 people didn't know that Arnold Schwarzenegger was a good guy 1078 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:25.920 and terminator too? And Arnold Schwarzenegger shows up in this 1079 00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:30.119 movie with that box of roses and that shotgun inside 1080 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:33.280 of it, and you think he's there to kill Sarah Connor. 1081 00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:36.840 Maybe this cop is here to protect Sarah Connor because 1082 00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:41.159 we don't know anything. And when he pulls out that 1083 00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:44.760 shotgun and turns to Eddie Furlong and says, come with 1084 00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:47.039 me if you want to live, that would have been 1085 00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:51.719 a bring the house down reveal. But every fucking body 1086 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:53.760 that saw that movie knew what was going to happen. 1087 00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:57.480 Were you seemingly the only person who win the reveal 1088 00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.199 in this movie happened? Did you react? Did anyone else 1089 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:01.039 in the theater react? 1090 00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:04.079 Andrea reacted because she also didn't know, because she doesn't 1091 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:05.079 give a shit, So. 1092 00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:09.280 Hell yeah, what's that like, I wish that could be 1093 00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:13.599 that person. Yeah, it doesn't fucking matter. You're fucking right, 1094 00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:16.199 more or less broadly, it doesn't matter, but I care. 1095 00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:18.840 God, tamnit, I don't even know, to be honest, if 1096 00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:20.920 she knows who Jean Gray is. If I said, oh, 1097 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:24.039 that's that was the one that Famka Janssen played, and 1098 00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:27.239 whoever that chick from the Game of Thrones, that what 1099 00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:28.239 played the second. 1100 00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:31.480 Jean Gray, Sansus Stark, Jesus Christ Sophie. 1101 00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.880 Turner, had I said that, Oh. 1102 00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:36.119 Boy, I can't wait to rewatch those movies. 1103 00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:40.840 Mike had I said that she might have been like, oh, okay, 1104 00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:44.360 that's the same character. That's the one who died in 1105 00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:47.719 the First Avengers or Second Avengers, whatever that one was. 1106 00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:50.880 I think it was the first. Wasn't that who Jean 1107 00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:52.639 Gray died in the first one? 1108 00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:54.039 So she died in the second? 1109 00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:55.599 Does she die in the second one? 1110 00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:59.360 Okay, she's the one that's the flood that's coming from 1111 00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:01.320 the damn Yeah, that's the second one, because the third 1112 00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:03.559 one is where she to use your parlance, where she 1113 00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:09.000 gangs Professor X. Remember how exciting that movie was. We're 1114 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:12.679 on the Precipice here, right, and you mentioned already like 1115 00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:14.760 the hulk of it all, and I hope to god 1116 00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:19.000 the whole gets like a better movie after battle World happens, 1117 00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:22.079 because they've essentially said, like there's no more Marvel movies 1118 00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.760 until like battle World, Like we get like this and 1119 00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:28.920 like Doomsday, and then there's like scant Marvel movies and 1120 00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.679 battle World happens. Then I think other things are happening, 1121 00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:34.480 like the four or fives or whatever, if there are any. 1122 00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:37.079 Why do you keep saying battle World? 1123 00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:41.559 By the way, that's the sequel to do this thing, 1124 00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:44.639 sequel to Avengers Doomsday. It's not gonna be called battle World, 1125 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:47.360 but it's not even called Secret Wars. But battle World 1126 00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:50.480 is the thing that is going to happen at the 1127 00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:52.880 end of Doomsday, where like all the planets are mashed 1128 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:56.280 together into one big planet. They've ruined so much of 1129 00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:59.119 this ahead of time because they're doing these stories because 1130 00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:01.760 they have to reboot even though they don't have to 1131 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:05.719 reboot everything. This is how you don't reboot everything. Imagine 1132 00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:08.960 if Doomsday wasn't happening and this was just the next 1133 00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.800 thing is they're introducing X Men, and that's it. I 1134 00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:14.079 would have been so much more excited because I just 1135 00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:18.639 I have such a real aversion to the Avenger movies 1136 00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:21.880 after Endgame, because Endgame was like maybe the last good 1137 00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:25.239 thing that they've really done in an Avengers context. Everything else, 1138 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:28.960 all these sideways Avengers movies are halfway. Avengers movies have 1139 00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:29.679 not been Gray. 1140 00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:33.159 No, I can agree. There's been so many, And it 1141 00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:35.000 was kind of surprising to see that some of the 1142 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:38.039 screenwriters on this also worked on Quantumania, but I think 1143 00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:41.159 more importantly they worked on all of these other Spider 1144 00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:46.360 Man films, which it's amazing when you have I almost 1145 00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:49.679 said Mary Jane, When you have MJ on the roof 1146 00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.840 and she's recounting like, oh yeah, night Monkey and the 1147 00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.440 thing at the Washington Monument and all this kind of stuff, 1148 00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:58.360 was is interesting that later on you think about and 1149 00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.400 you're like, oh, that's Gene Gray, my all of those memories, 1150 00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:04.559 because I didn't realize that that was Geane Gray for 1151 00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:06.800 the longest time, So like later on, I was like, 1152 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:10.239 oh shit, she was. She got there before Spider Man 1153 00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:14.840 even got to MJ's apartment, right that whole thing. I 1154 00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:19.079 thought she was trapped in the helicopter with the helicopter pilot, 1155 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.400 and I was like, oh, okay, yeah, she can't jump anywhere, 1156 00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:23.960 and not realizing that she can do that whenever she 1157 00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:27.000 wants and to whoever it is, as long as they're 1158 00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:29.199 within thirty three feet and then she could just make 1159 00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:34.679 all those jumps. I really like that they make these references. 1160 00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:37.639 I really like that Ned and MJ are such a 1161 00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.880 massive part of this movie. The moment for me that 1162 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:45.360 touched me the most is when they It was two 1163 00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:50.880 scenes one of Ned and Spider hanging out and just 1164 00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:54.239 being friends again, and just the way that Spider Man 1165 00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:57.760 is so happy to have friends one more time. 1166 00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:00.519 Such a smart way to use it. He made the 1167 01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:02.719 Spider Man app so if Spider Man shows up, he 1168 01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:06.079 will just lose his mind and there's your end, spider Man. 1169 01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:06.559 Yeah. 1170 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:10.480 But then the handshake at the end, I fucking love that. 1171 01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:12.719 Oh I got chills during that. 1172 01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:17.280 It's such an earned moment, and that Peter Jesus, no, 1173 01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:19.480 I'm with you. That's what I mean. The best parts 1174 01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:23.119 of this movie are the emotional moments between the characters. 1175 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:25.159 It's not the big action scenes. The action scenes are great, 1176 01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:29.320 but it's an MCU movie. In twenty twenty, six. I 1177 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:31.519 don't expect the action scenes to be bad. They have 1178 01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:35.599 always been pretty up to par. The thing that's nice 1179 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.000 about this movie is there's an eye for the comic books. 1180 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:41.960 We get those panel shots essentially where Spider Man is 1181 01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:45.440 like recreating panels from the comic or covers from the comic. 1182 01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:48.760 Oh yeah, the famous first cover with that criminal that 1183 01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:50.280 he's holding. That's so good. 1184 01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:53.679 They do all of these things that make me understand 1185 01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:56.000 that the people that are writing these Spider Man movies 1186 01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:59.599 are fans of Spider Man, not just in a surface 1187 01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:04.400 level way, they actually understand the character, because this feels 1188 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:08.719 like a Spider Man comic book in movie form. And 1189 01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:13.079 that's because Spider Man is an emotionally driven character. It 1190 01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:18.679 is about his relationships with MJ and Aunt May and obviously, 1191 01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:20.800 I mean, we've never seen it in these movies, but 1192 01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.320 you know, Harry Osborne that we get ned as his 1193 01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:26.400 best friend in this movie, or you know again, we 1194 01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:28.599 saw him with Tony Stark in the other movies as 1195 01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.840 kind of the the stand in for Uncle Ben in 1196 01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:33.800 a lot of ways, but this is the first one 1197 01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:36.840 where I genuinely feel like Spider Man is an emotionally 1198 01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:41.159 grounded and real character, and it took three movies to 1199 01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:43.320 get to this point, and they've kind of snowballed to 1200 01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:46.280 this point because he's Tom Holland is so good. Yes, 1201 01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:49.800 I think he's the best Spider Man like at this point, 1202 01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.119 like and I think that this movie cements it. He 1203 01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:56.119 went four for four. None of the movies struggle because 1204 01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:59.000 of him at all. Like he's end z and Daya 1205 01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:02.079 also fantastic. Not an actress I've seen in a lot 1206 01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:03.480 of things up to this point. I've seen her in 1207 01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:05.800 several things, but I saw her in the drama earlier 1208 01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.320 this year. She was also great in that. But Tom 1209 01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:12.360 Holland and her and Jacob Battelon, the guy who plays Net, 1210 01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:15.840 are so good together. Yes, just the chemistry that they have. 1211 01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:18.719 They feel like friends because I think they are friends 1212 01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:20.760 in real life. And obviously Tom Holland in is and 1213 01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:24.599 I are married, so you know also that. But Tom 1214 01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:27.519 Holland is able to really be charismatic with anybody he's 1215 01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:30.719 on screen with, and that Spider Man. Spider Man is 1216 01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:33.039 pg Deadpool in a lot of ways. He's not as 1217 01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:35.239 met as Deadpool, but he is cracking jokes and he 1218 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:37.199 is stretching at one point, he's like, I'm not a 1219 01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:40.119 teenager anymore. Great, this is what I want from Spider Man. 1220 01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:44.159 They're nailing it. Toby Maguire got that, Andrew Garfield got 1221 01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:46.400 that too, but this just this feels so much more 1222 01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:49.719 earned because I really empathize with the character underneath the 1223 01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:51.440 mask more than I ever have before. 1224 01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:55.360 I completely agree. Yeah, when he I can't even remember 1225 01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:57.480 what the one liner is when he pulls the piano 1226 01:02:57.599 --> 01:02:58.800 at Scorpion, it's. 1227 01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:00.000 Just hit us out on a high note. 1228 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:04.159 Yes, that's There are so many good things and yeah, 1229 01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:06.800 the whole stretching thing. I was like, this is really good. 1230 01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.519 I like this, this is great. And that's what I 1231 01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:12.360 loved about Spider Man was what a smart ass he 1232 01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:15.559 was when he put on the suit. When he's Peter Parker, 1233 01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:19.480 he's steering, endearing, he's kind of quiet, kind of shy, 1234 01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.559 but then when he puts on that mask, he just 1235 01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:26.519 it's balls out. And he's been that way for forever. 1236 01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:30.239 And that's the thing when you get good writing, and 1237 01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:32.960 you get him being able to make those quips, even 1238 01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:36.840 just the stuff of him arguing with Frank Castle and 1239 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:38.559 that whole thing of you know, I saved. 1240 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:43.280 You anything, I'm not good at him at all. 1241 01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:45.920 For the most part, I really liked him in this, 1242 01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:48.039 and like I said, it almost makes me want to 1243 01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:50.719 go back and watch The Punisher. Not quite, but. 1244 01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:53.760 You got made two thirds of the way there. Maybe 1245 01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:56.119 I don't even think you're half This movie I think 1246 01:03:56.199 --> 01:03:57.559 is the best he's been The Punisher. 1247 01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:02.760 I liked him in the movies, both of them, and 1248 01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:04.840 I'm trying to remember. I think he was in that 1249 01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.039 one with Oh gosh, who's the guy that played Frederick Mercury, 1250 01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:12.360 Rammy Malik, Rammy Malik The Amateur He I think he 1251 01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:14.280 was in that as well, and he was really good 1252 01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:16.800 in The Amateur. So yeah, I like him as a 1253 01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:18.960 supporting character. I don't know if I like him as 1254 01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:22.559 the main lead of stuff, but maybe when these days 1255 01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:23.960 I'll give it a shot. 1256 01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:26.719 Well, and we have the issue with a Punisher style 1257 01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.559 character where he is an R rated character, so they 1258 01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:33.719 can also, I think make that work. We've seen now 1259 01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:37.239 that you can have Deadpool in these movies, you could. 1260 01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:40.199 I think Punisher shows that's a thing that you could 1261 01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:42.320 get away with if you have the right people writing 1262 01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:44.880 it and the right people directing it. Again, those are 1263 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:47.119 big ifs, but I think they can be done because 1264 01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:49.079 that was again a thing that we know. There's a 1265 01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:51.360 possibility that Deadpool is part of the MCU. Know I 1266 01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.079 think he obviously will be. But The Punisher, I think 1267 01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:56.519 is a good test case to see you can have 1268 01:04:56.559 --> 01:04:58.920 a character that uses guns and kills people in the 1269 01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:02.800 things that he is doing, being a rejected by the 1270 01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:05.320 superhero broadly because Spider Man's like, you can't just go 1271 01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:08.079 around killing people. It's like, I'm gonna do whatever the 1272 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:10.400 hell I want. Okay, they can be at odds with 1273 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:13.119 each other, put work together, and I like that this 1274 01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:17.159 movie shows that because I think the MCU has been 1275 01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:19.320 too narrow in a lot of what it's been doing, 1276 01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:21.920 and I think that this movie shows you can actually 1277 01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:25.800 tell a smaller story that has bigger implications on the 1278 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:28.679 grand or MCU without the entire city of New York 1279 01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:32.960 or the world being under threat. Yes, the entire world 1280 01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:35.599 is technically under threat, but not really. I don't know, 1281 01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:38.039 yes and no, and yes. I think that's what's interesting. 1282 01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:40.559 This movie threads that needle very well because it does 1283 01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:44.000 feel like a grand threat, but it feels like much 1284 01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:46.280 smaller scale. Even in the climax of the movie with 1285 01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:48.679 Jean Gray. It's not a giant blue light pointing to 1286 01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:51.079 the sky, you know what I mean, But it is 1287 01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:53.760 at the same time, though it does have the implication 1288 01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:55.920 of that being the case. 1289 01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:58.280 It's gonna be a lot easier to clean up. I 1290 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:00.920 think we're not gonna need damage to controlled to come in, 1291 01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:03.800 even though there were some car wrecks, but it's not 1292 01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:05.840 going to be as big of a deal as the 1293 01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:10.079 big blue skylazer and the Chitari showing up again. I 1294 01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:12.440 was glad that we have that little joke of the 1295 01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.440 Punisher about to swear and Spidey shoots the web over 1296 01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:17.920 his mouth. That's a very comic book to me. I 1297 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:20.800 also like that it's the Punisher that is the one 1298 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:24.239 that ends up breaking the spell but also fucking it 1299 01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:26.760 up and shooting Spider Man at the end. It's like 1300 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:30.320 guns aren't always the answer, but they aren't. Just the 1301 01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:35.840 way that he manages to have Jean stop with that moment, 1302 01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:39.440 the way that Spider Man saves her and sacrifices himself, 1303 01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:43.800 and I really like that stupid moment where the Punisher 1304 01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.320 puts on Spidey's mask and is dancing around like an 1305 01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:50.519 idiot up in the hospital room and Spider Man gets 1306 01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:54.239 to go out amongst the people as Peter Parker and 1307 01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:59.679 see the love that he gets, which up until this point, 1308 01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:03.119 all of these Spider Man movies, I don't I know 1309 01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:05.760 we had Spider Man Day and one of the I 1310 01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:09.599 think it was the first Spider Man film. I don't 1311 01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:11.119 think it was in the third one, but you know, 1312 01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:15.079 we've seen some celebrations, but this to see all of 1313 01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:18.519 those people pulling for him, and him amongst the crowd, 1314 01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:21.320 that little kid that makes eye contact with him and 1315 01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:26.199 does the web shooter fingers, it all just hit perfect 1316 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:26.519 for me. 1317 01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:31.679 I agree. I think that getting a genuine emotional moment 1318 01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:34.360 out of the Punisher, one of the more gruff characters 1319 01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:38.000 in the MCU, is really smart because you pair him 1320 01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:41.440 opposite Tom Holland as Spider Man. And you know what, 1321 01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:44.840 I think there's always been this question, who is the 1322 01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:51.400 analogue in Marvel for Superman in the DC universe. I 1323 01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:54.639 would make the argument at Spider Man, we have a 1324 01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:58.679 character who when he's not superpowered, is just trying to 1325 01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:01.199 live a normal life, which both Clark Kent and Peter 1326 01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:04.320 Parker are trying to do. And then when they are 1327 01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:08.519 their superpowered versions of themselves, they are adored by the 1328 01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:11.159 city that they live in. And obviously Superman the whole 1329 01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:13.480 world in a lot of those comics where he's saving 1330 01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:15.760 the world, but in the comic book of Spider Man, 1331 01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.720 he's friendly, neighborhood Spider Man. He's adored by the city. 1332 01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:22.119 They give him the key to the city. I love that, 1333 01:08:22.359 --> 01:08:26.119 and I think that this movie cements Spider Man as 1334 01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:30.640 that character in terms of the ability to bridge the 1335 01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:34.560 gap between what the MCU was and what the MCU 1336 01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:39.239 I hope is moving forward, which is character stories about 1337 01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:42.239 characters that actually have some emotional resonance to him. We 1338 01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:45.840 saw it with Thunderbolts. There was a whole the whole 1339 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.279 climax of that movie took place inside of a character's mind. 1340 01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:51.079 We saw it a little bit in The Fantastic Four. 1341 01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:54.239 The whole movie is about four people learning to be 1342 01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.199 a family together. And what does that mean. I think 1343 01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:59.479 we might actually be trending in a direction with the 1344 01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:03.800 MCU that is hopeful in terms of maybe not just 1345 01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:08.239 being Joss Wheden quip equips. Let's make a joke and 1346 01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:12.039 then the quip. Afterwards, we watch Supergirl I watched Superman 1347 01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:14.680 last year. Superman was good. I don't know if James 1348 01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:17.239 Gunn can do another movie like that anymore, where it's 1349 01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:20.279 like emotional moment and then equip people are actually ready 1350 01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:23.760 to have an emotional moment with these characters. Stop undercutting them. 1351 01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:26.479 And this movie doesn't undercut them. Like you said at 1352 01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:29.239 the end of the movie, there's not some quip when 1353 01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:31.479 Spider Man looks at that kid in the audience. It 1354 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:34.800 is an earned moment, like the MCU has not gotten 1355 01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:38.920 in a really long time. And I want them to 1356 01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:42.760 continue that because with Doomsday, they have an opportunity with 1357 01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:45.399 Doomsday as a character to pull a fanos and give 1358 01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:48.720 us a villain to actually maybe not root for, but 1359 01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:51.880 understand his motivations in a way that don't just make 1360 01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:56.720 him be a mustache twirling villain. And my hope is 1361 01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:59.039 with Doomsday is they are able to do that because 1362 01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:01.359 Robert Downey Junior is that good of an actor. He's 1363 01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:05.000 been able to do that before, and all of the 1364 01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:07.640 actors in these movies are great actors in their own right. 1365 01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:10.720 Tom Holland is a great actor. You can't bring this 1366 01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:15.399 level of emotionality in charisma, and I think vulnerability to 1367 01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:17.880 a character if you're not a great actor, and he is. 1368 01:10:18.520 --> 01:10:22.159 It's interesting with that third Guardians of the Galaxy movie, 1369 01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:25.199 so much of that is the whole idea of the 1370 01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:28.520 Gomorrah in that not being the Gomorrah the Peter new 1371 01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:32.039 and trying to re spark that whole thing. It's a 1372 01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:35.279 little similar here with this Mary Jane, even though she 1373 01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:38.680 is the same Mary Jane. But what I wanted to 1374 01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:44.359 say was when Peter sees Doctor Doom without his mask, 1375 01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:46.760 he's going to lose his fucking mind. 1376 01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:51.359 They all are, but especially Peter. I think that's why 1377 01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:55.239 essentially the they I don't think they said tom Alin 1378 01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:56.439 is going to be in Doom's day. 1379 01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:00.199 So that's the thing that I almost said to my 1380 01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:03.920 wife yesterday. But again, she's so far out of the 1381 01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:08.399 loop that she doesn't know about Robert Downey Junior coming back. 1382 01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:10.640 So that's going to be her surprise when we go 1383 01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:13.359 to see Doomsday. She's not going to know until the 1384 01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:15.079 mask comes off, and then she's going to be like, 1385 01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:15.760 what the fuck? 1386 01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:19.479 So she doesn't know that Robert okay now, and I 1387 01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:22.680 wonder how many people don't at this point, because I 1388 01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:26.479 know some people were okay, which is it's. 1389 01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:29.479 Really weird to me that people don't know. But yeah, 1390 01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:32.800 I was talking with one of my coworkers and they 1391 01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:35.680 were surprised that Doctor Doom showed up at the end 1392 01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:39.079 of the Fantastic Four and then when I said, oh yeah, 1393 01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:41.399 Robert Downey Junior, They're just like, what what are you 1394 01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:43.640 talking about? And I was like, oh shit, I just 1395 01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:45.880 ruined it for somebody. But I was like, this was 1396 01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:50.520 after the press conference, this was after the empty chairs, 1397 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:54.000 this is all of the stuff that was leading up 1398 01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:56.600 to this. I was like, okay, I was really surprised, 1399 01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:58.319 and I think we talked about this on the Fantastic 1400 01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.720 four episode. I was surprised that they're there wasn't a 1401 01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:03.439 one quarter face turned, so we've got to see a 1402 01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:06.199 little bit of our DJ's face that could have been 1403 01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:10.920 anybody in that cloak. But I'm glad now that there 1404 01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:13.399 might be people that don't know who that is, and 1405 01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:17.000 maybe they will be surprised though. We've got, however, many 1406 01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:21.520 months before the movie comes out, and they're going to 1407 01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:24.199 be just touting that like fucking crazy. It's going to 1408 01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:26.840 be our DJ all over the place from now on. 1409 01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:29.920 I don't know if that will be the case, because 1410 01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:33.079 I guess it's hope ceiling that they are not going 1411 01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:35.760 to do that because the moment in the movie where 1412 01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:39.600 that happens, I think, like you've already alluded to, is 1413 01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:42.039 going to be a moment that needs to be seen 1414 01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:45.560 in the movie, and they won't spoil it in the trailers. 1415 01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:49.560 I think that's going to be like the Jean Gray thing, 1416 01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:52.840 They're just not and I joked about like the doomsday 1417 01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:56.199 trailer already, like it kind of looks the Doomsday trailer 1418 01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:58.600 has no substance to it. It is all just it's just 1419 01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:01.960 a bunch of shots with no context. My assumption is 1420 01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:04.439 that's intention I know it's intentional, obviously, but I'm assuming 1421 01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:07.439 that the intentionality behind it is because so much of 1422 01:13:07.479 --> 01:13:10.279 the movie is going to be things that you have 1423 01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:13.199 to see in the movie because otherwise it's a massive 1424 01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:16.039 goddamn spoiler and things that I'm not even going to 1425 01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:18.600 talk about here because I know you don't watch any 1426 01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:20.960 of that stuff or keep up with any of that stuff, 1427 01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:22.960 so I don't even want to possibly ruin it for 1428 01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:25.640 you or anybody else, but to say that the things 1429 01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:29.079 that have been talked about that have been confirmed just 1430 01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.039 by the comic con of it all, with like certain 1431 01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:35.399 actors being on stage, but other actors haven't been on stage, 1432 01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:38.479 and like who knows who is going to be in 1433 01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:40.920 that movie that they haven't said, And I think that's 1434 01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:43.840 why so much of the movie has not really been 1435 01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:46.680 shown in the trailers. And my hope is they don't 1436 01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:50.439 show RDJ as Doomsday or as Doom until the movie. 1437 01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:52.800 I hope that we don't get that until maybe the 1438 01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:55.720 week after, because they always do like a spoiler trailer 1439 01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:58.039 right before the movie comes out. I hope that we 1440 01:13:58.119 --> 01:14:01.640 don't see a single shot of him AND's mask until 1441 01:14:02.439 --> 01:14:04.079 a week before the movie comes out, or if not, 1442 01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:07.000 after the movie's come out, genuinely because there's no point. 1443 01:14:07.359 --> 01:14:07.399 No. 1444 01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:10.359 I really hope that as well, because yeah, they just 1445 01:14:10.359 --> 01:14:13.199 seems bound and determined to ruin all of this stuff 1446 01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:16.960 for everybody. I'm like, no, just let things be surprises, please. 1447 01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:19.840 Doctor Pearl Mutter says it best, like it's a study. 1448 01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:24.479 It's factually known that American audiences don't want to feel dumb, 1449 01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:26.479 which is why movie trailer houses do that. They don't 1450 01:14:26.479 --> 01:14:28.680 want to feel like they don't know what's going to happen. 1451 01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:31.399 In the movie, So the trailers are just spoiling things 1452 01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:34.800 ahead of time. And for the rest of us that 1453 01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:37.399 don't care about feeling dumb when you go into a movie, 1454 01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:40.880 it then forces us to not watch trailers for things, 1455 01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:43.199 because the trailer will show the entire movie. And if 1456 01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:46.239 you're a discerning moviegoer, i e. Someone who goes to 1457 01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:48.840 a couple movies a year, you can pick up on 1458 01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:51.159 the entire plot of a movie just by watching trailers 1459 01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:54.920 at this point, genuinely, like entire acts of the movie 1460 01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.520 are segmented in the trailer at this point, and it's 1461 01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:00.920 just it ruins things, It really does. 1462 01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:04.520 So does. I just saw an article or listical the 1463 01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:08.960 other day where I was talking about the biggest reveals 1464 01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:11.880 in movies over the last I don't know, however many 1465 01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:15.520 twenty years or whatever, and one of those was Shutter Island, 1466 01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:17.800 and I was just like, bit China from the trailer, 1467 01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:19.720 what was going on with that thing? I didn't need 1468 01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:20.439 to see that movie? 1469 01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:21.479 And it was a dream? 1470 01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:24.920 Yeah, that was all him going crazy. 1471 01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:27.720 And I like the idea that it wasn't all a dream, 1472 01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:30.279 but that makes the movie somewhat more tolerable than it 1473 01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:32.119 actually is. Oh, I wonder if anyone's gonna have a 1474 01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:34.720 hot take on that one. He doesn't like Shutter Island. 1475 01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:36.920 Where's all your Shutter Island fans going to bat for 1476 01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:39.800 that movie? People going to bath for Supergirl. Talk about 1477 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:42.880 a distinction between two movies starting with an s released 1478 01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:45.760 within a month of each other. My god, this movie 1479 01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:49.039 has made almost a billion dollars already. People will show 1480 01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:51.000 up for your movie. It has nothing to do with 1481 01:15:51.039 --> 01:15:53.319 the fact that a woman is in it. I promise, 1482 01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:57.399 I promise. It's not a well made movie. People showed 1483 01:15:57.439 --> 01:15:59.960 up for Superman last year. That movie made a boatload. 1484 01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:02.640 This movie's made nine hundred million dollars. This Spider Man 1485 01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:05.319 movie is If you put a good movie on screen, 1486 01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:08.600 the audiences will show up. And this movie probably won't 1487 01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:11.279 have a thirty to forty or fifty percent drop off 1488 01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:14.800 next weekend either. It will probably have maybe a surge 1489 01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:16.399 even there might be people who want to go see 1490 01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:18.760 this again. I don't know. This is a really good 1491 01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:21.680 movie that I think will resonate with a lot of people, 1492 01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:24.760 especially people that are big fans of Spider Man, which 1493 01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:28.680 is most everybody who's into these kinds of movies. Spider 1494 01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:32.319 Man really is the character that crosses all boundaries. He's 1495 01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:35.800 very bipartisan. I think people that like DC like Spider Man, 1496 01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:36.560 like how could you not? 1497 01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:40.760 Yeah, but I'll tell you racially, it was very even 1498 01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:43.439 in the theater yesterday, if not more black people than 1499 01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:45.680 white people, which I was just like, Oh, that's cool that. 1500 01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:48.399 I'm just very glad. I was surprised at how many 1501 01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:50.600 kids were in the theater. I don't really think that 1502 01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:52.159 this was a kid's movie, and is. 1503 01:16:52.119 --> 01:16:55.880 A kid's character those I mean, he's like kids. He is, 1504 01:16:56.399 --> 01:16:59.159 And ask for any little kid who's your very superhero, 1505 01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:00.880 they're probably gonna Spider Man. 1506 01:17:01.239 --> 01:17:03.439 I was surprised at how many people were wearing their 1507 01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:07.000 spider gear, not costumes, but like all the T shirts 1508 01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:09.880 and stuff. It was really nice to see that, and 1509 01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:13.079 it was nice that it was a pretty respectful audience. 1510 01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:15.720 Everybody seemed to be into it. There's only one time 1511 01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:17.760 I had to yell at somebody for use in their phone. 1512 01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:21.279 But yeah, it was a good theatrical experience. I think 1513 01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:23.439 it was made even better by me coming in late 1514 01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:27.279 and missing all the pre show, missing the MJR. Theme. 1515 01:17:27.359 --> 01:17:29.760 That's our theater around here that we go to is mjr. 1516 01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:33.159 And they play this trailer up front. It's not as 1517 01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:36.760 bad as the Nicole Kidman trailer, but it's been going 1518 01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:42.399 since the Pandemic, and so that's six years. I've been 1519 01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:44.439 seeing them take away a year for the Pandemic, but 1520 01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:47.079 that's five years. I've been seeing this little trailer before 1521 01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:49.880 the movie. Every time they send me a survey after 1522 01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:52.720 a movie plays, I just go on and on about 1523 01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:55.039 how they need a new pre show, but they have 1524 01:17:55.159 --> 01:17:58.319 it to listen to me. I went through and purposefully 1525 01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:00.960 tried to find bad reviews of this film just to 1526 01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:05.520 see what people are critiquing criticizing about this. Seems like 1527 01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:08.960 people don't like how angsty Spider Man is. I find 1528 01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.159 it to be actually a good thing, especially that he's 1529 01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:15.880 having a real crisis of faith and having the being 1530 01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:18.479 alone in this new world. I figure, if there's any 1531 01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:21.600 time for him to be angsty, it's right now. The 1532 01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:24.159 other thing was something that we've talked about is a 1533 01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:26.960 good thing, which is the whole idea of him interacting 1534 01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:29.760 with other superheroes. I don't feel that they do it 1535 01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:31.119 too much. 1536 01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:34.960 I guess the consensus amongst some of the online cogniscendai 1537 01:18:35.359 --> 01:18:38.720 is that there's too much of other characters in this movie, 1538 01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:42.279 But to what extent You've ever read the comics and 1539 01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:45.000 it's all self contained and he doesn't interact with other 1540 01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:49.199 people or other superheroes in the comics. As long as 1541 01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:51.840 the character can be drawn and is within the scope 1542 01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:55.640 and license of the publisher, they can put Hulk in 1543 01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:58.960 Spider Man comics. Advice versus. The only reason it's hard 1544 01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:00.359 to do it in the movie is for a whole 1545 01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:03.439 host of reasons scheduling getting the actor there, unless you're 1546 01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:06.520 just doing abomination. And I don't mean the look of it, 1547 01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:09.199 but tim Roth thing where it's just, oh look, it's 1548 01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:12.119 just abomination. Remember when tim Roth played that character, and 1549 01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:15.119 then obviously they did it again because he wasn't in 1550 01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:19.359 Shang Chi. Tim Roth wasn't abomination was but tim Roth 1551 01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:23.039 ended up being in that Sheeholk show. So you can 1552 01:19:23.159 --> 01:19:26.119 do that in the movies of a certain kind, but 1553 01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:28.119 it's so much harder than it is in the comics. 1554 01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:30.680 So whenever people have said anything about that, my response, 1555 01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:32.960 especially with the character like Spider Man, is have you 1556 01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:36.119 ever read a Spider Man comic before? Other characters show 1557 01:19:36.199 --> 01:19:40.279 up all the time, all the time exactly. 1558 01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:42.279 And that's what got me into a lot of different 1559 01:19:42.359 --> 01:19:46.199 comics was going back to Secret War the very first one. 1560 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:47.960 And I didn't even know for a long time that 1561 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:51.279 they had done other Secret War storylines, because for me, 1562 01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:53.800 it was a one and done. It was a bringing 1563 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:56.840 together of all of these different heroes and villains because 1564 01:19:56.840 --> 01:19:59.720 there were all the villains there, and it was a 1565 01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:03.199 way for me to experience other characters that I wasn't 1566 01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:05.800 that familiar with. But the thing that really got me 1567 01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:11.560 was reading the panels and seeing the little asterisk next 1568 01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:15.039 to something and then down below it says see Daredevil 1569 01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:18.840 twenty five or see Fantastic four, two fifty two, any 1570 01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:21.000 of those type of things where you're like, we're getting 1571 01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:24.840 any marketing, baby, exactly. And this is before Like at 1572 01:20:24.840 --> 01:20:26.920 that point when I was reading comics, I think there 1573 01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:31.560 were three Spider Man comics. There was Amazing, Spectacular, and 1574 01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:34.840 then maybe web of and I think one of those 1575 01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:38.359 was just all repeat to his old issues that they 1576 01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:41.159 were re releasing. Basically, I think that might have been 1577 01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:44.079 web But then you would get spectacular and amazing and 1578 01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:47.479 those stories would go back and forth, which I wasn't 1579 01:20:47.479 --> 01:20:48.199 actually a fan of. 1580 01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:48.479 I was. 1581 01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:51.279 I just want to choice as much Spider Man. I 1582 01:20:51.319 --> 01:20:54.359 don't need the same story, just stretched out a little 1583 01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:57.479 bit more. That changed when it was like the Hobgoblin 1584 01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:00.000 and everybody who's trying to figure out who the Hobgoblin was. 1585 01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:05.479 But now it's impossible because you've got so many things, 1586 01:21:05.479 --> 01:21:08.239 and they're constantly going across so many comic books, and 1587 01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:11.600 it's just like I can't afford to buy every single 1588 01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:14.760 one of these books. Especially I was buying comic books 1589 01:21:14.760 --> 01:21:17.279 when they were sixty cents, seventy five cents. Once I 1590 01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:19.520 got up to a dollar, which I know is cheap 1591 01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:21.800 now for a comic book, I was out. 1592 01:21:22.359 --> 01:21:23.560 I don't even know where you can get a comic 1593 01:21:23.560 --> 01:21:26.319 book for a dollar maybe other than half rice books 1594 01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:29.439 right like the bargain bin or a garage sale. New 1595 01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:31.960 comic books are like five to six books. I will 1596 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:34.000 tell you. If you want to read comic books the 1597 01:21:34.039 --> 01:21:36.920 way I do it, get the Marvel app on your 1598 01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:40.239 phone or iPad or I guess maybe it's on browser 1599 01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:42.640 and you could just it's like Netflix for comic books. 1600 01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:44.880 You just read it as much as you like and 1601 01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:47.199 there's not any cap on it. It's ten fifteen dollars 1602 01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:48.880 a Month's probably more expensive than it used to be, 1603 01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:52.199 like most things, but I don't think this movie leans 1604 01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:54.800 too heavily on the crossover of it all. I think, 1605 01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:58.720 for me, look, X Men is the ultimate crossover movie 1606 01:21:58.920 --> 01:22:02.199 in a lot of ways. Then the characters are all 1607 01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:04.680 their own characters in their own right, and anytime they 1608 01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:07.359 come together for an X Men movie, I'm like, oh, 1609 01:22:07.399 --> 01:22:09.600 this is a massive team up movie because a lot 1610 01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:12.319 of these characters could be their own thing. This is 1611 01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:14.359 the first time Jean Gray has been in a movie 1612 01:22:14.359 --> 01:22:16.359 without the other X Men. I'd like to point out 1613 01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:19.079 this is it's such a wild way to use Jean 1614 01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:22.880 Gray because she feels so novel and interesting, and hopefully 1615 01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:25.640 that's one of the expectations from Kevin Figy with the 1616 01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:28.880 new X Men is this needs to feel different. It 1617 01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:31.600 can't just be Professor x a Magneto there at the 1618 01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:34.560 school together. Nobody wants to see that again. Give us 1619 01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:37.680 something else, do something else with it, and I think 1620 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:40.720 this is that step in that right direction. I don't 1621 01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:42.840 if you want to complain about that. Jean Gray being 1622 01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:45.000 in this movie cool, but it just seems like a 1623 01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:47.720 non issue. Maybe take Black widow out of this movie. 1624 01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:50.239 But I like that we get to see Florence Pugh 1625 01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:53.479 and Tom holland Cheri scene together. So shut up, Jesus, 1626 01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:57.000 I'm the critical one here. Fuck fuck me the people 1627 01:22:57.039 --> 01:22:59.199 being I don't like the fucking cry. Have you read 1628 01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:02.359 a spider Man the Ultimate Spider Man video game? There 1629 01:23:02.359 --> 01:23:05.600 were levels where you fought Hulk and Venom and Wolverine, 1630 01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:07.880 and like, all these other characters are showing up. Chill 1631 01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:10.640 the fuck out. If you've never read a Spider Man comic, 1632 01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:12.920 go read a spider Man comic, because he does not 1633 01:23:13.079 --> 01:23:15.680 exist in a vacuum. None of these characters do. 1634 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:18.319 Do you know what the best thing about a crossover is, Chris, 1635 01:23:18.439 --> 01:23:20.880 is that you of the culture cast get to join 1636 01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:23.479 me on the projection booth, or me of the Projection 1637 01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:26.079 Booth gets to join you on the culture Cast, and 1638 01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:28.720 you don't know which one you're listening to exactly. 1639 01:23:28.760 --> 01:23:32.479 It's right, it's technically both. I don't have a lot 1640 01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:35.439 of issues with this movie. I actually don't think a 1641 01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:37.640 lot of other people do. This is probably going to 1642 01:23:37.680 --> 01:23:40.560 be one of the best MCU movies that has ever 1643 01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:43.399 come out, and I think you might agree, though it 1644 01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:45.720 is a little recency bias. I think it's the best 1645 01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:49.560 movie that's come out since Endgame. These movies can change 1646 01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:53.319 and get better, and I think if the next MCU 1647 01:23:53.399 --> 01:23:56.279 movie is three quarters as good as this movie is 1648 01:23:57.039 --> 01:23:59.600 just seventy five percent of the way there, I think 1649 01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:02.479 it will be one of the top ten MCU movies 1650 01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:04.720 that's come out, because this movie really, I think sets 1651 01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:08.960 the standard and the bar very high moving forward. And 1652 01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:12.640 I also think Destined Daniel Cretin should be given a 1653 01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:14.960 lot of credit here for how good this movie is. 1654 01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:17.800 He is a great director. I think he is going 1655 01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:19.640 to have an opportunity now to go do whatever the 1656 01:24:19.640 --> 01:24:22.399 fuck he wants, given that this movie has made a 1657 01:24:22.439 --> 01:24:25.840 boatload of money. But and guess what, He's not just 1658 01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:29.399 another white director hired by the MCU. He is a 1659 01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:33.279 Hawaiian who has made his name doing other things and 1660 01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:36.039 then did Shang Chi and then five years later did 1661 01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:39.319 this and Wonder Man, which they just canceled unfortunately. But 1662 01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:42.079 I genuinely I know people like to say we drag 1663 01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:44.239 a lot of movies, but maybe drag us for being 1664 01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:47.159 too effusive this time. See how that feels. 1665 01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:49.720 Well, Chris, thank you so much for joining me on 1666 01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:52.159 this very special crossover. Do you want to tell the 1667 01:24:52.199 --> 01:24:54.760 folks where they can hear us all the time. 1668 01:24:55.279 --> 01:24:58.119 Yeah, they can hear us over at Weirdingwaymedia dot com, 1669 01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:01.000 where our audio empire continues to band with such great 1670 01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:04.479 shows as the upcoming Harrison Ford show. That's a crossover 1671 01:25:04.520 --> 01:25:06.800 with my show, The Culture Cast. Mike showed the Projection 1672 01:25:06.880 --> 01:25:11.840 Booth and Richard Adams show the Paranormal Bookshelf of Richard HadAM, 1673 01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:13.399 which is not the name of the show. It's Richard 1674 01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:16.960 Adams Paranormal Bookshelf. Boy, I guess I lost fifty cents 1675 01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:19.319 and then made a dollar in that phrasing right there. 1676 01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:21.640 I lost the money that he normally gives me. But 1677 01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:24.640 to that crossover show is the founded weirding Way Media, 1678 01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:29.239 along with Susan Lambert, Adam's eighties TV Ladies, Jamie Bennings, Filmentrees, 1679 01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:32.079 Emily Intraravia is The Feminine Critique, and so many more, 1680 01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:34.239 along with new shows coming out towards the end of 1681 01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:36.359 this year. And yes, Mike and I will be covering 1682 01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:39.640 Doomsday when that comes out, obviously, and that's the next 1683 01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:42.520 MCU thing. Yeah, that's where you can hear us. As 1684 01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:45.560 for other things my Patreon at Patreon dot com slash 1685 01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:49.079 culture cast and Mike's Patreon Patreon dot com slash Projection 1686 01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:50.399 with her where you can go to kick a couple 1687 01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:53.720 dollars our way. If that Harrison Ford podcast sounds exciting 1688 01:25:53.720 --> 01:25:56.479 to you, Win it launches here in a couple weeks. 1689 01:25:56.680 --> 01:25:58.239 That's where you'll be able to hear it a month 1690 01:25:58.279 --> 01:26:01.359 early ad free, So go do that if you're interested 1691 01:26:01.399 --> 01:26:04.279 in that. And Richard Adams Patreon as well, Richard Adam, 1692 01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:07.159 I guess Patreon dot com slash Richard Adam. So yeah, 1693 01:26:07.279 --> 01:26:09.720 that's where you can go to find the three of us. 1694 01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:12.960 And yeah, make sure to come back for the next 1695 01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:15.920 episode of either of our shows. And definitely in December 1696 01:26:16.039 --> 01:26:28.880 we talk about Doomsday. 1697 01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:29.560 Spider Spider Man whatever a spider name sper Win sad 1698 01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:34.399 that job did the Spider Man. 1699 01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:39.720 Strong Disco ready to you know? 1700 01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:43.359 Actually from a friend. 1701 01:26:44.640 --> 01:26:52.279 Overhead. 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