WEBVTT 1 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:20.839 Hello, and welcome to bat Flips and Nerds, the Baseball 2 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:24.039 podcast with a British twist. I am your host Ben Carter, 3 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:28.359 here for a trade deadline recap bonanza and joining me 4 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:31.440 for the pleasure of doing so. It's Darius Austin. Darius, 5 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:31.879 how are you. 6 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:35.439 I'm doing all right. I've been enjoying the Olympics, which 7 00:00:35.439 --> 00:00:38.679 is obviously very on point for this podcast, but you 8 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:40.520 had lot lots to actually talk about an ILB two 9 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:41.520 this week. 10 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:43.280 That has been you know you're saying you've been following 11 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:46.159 I know you. Rob was saying flowing the shooting coacy, 12 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:47.799 which has been your niche sport of choice so far? 13 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:51.600 Darius, Yeah, I think I think probably the kayak slalom. 14 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:53.439 It's pretty good fun to watch. I'm alsoll looking forward 15 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:55.560 to the kayak cross, which do you remember the snowboard 16 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:59.399 cross from the Winter Olympics. It's basically basically that in kayak, 17 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:00.799 so I think this can be a lot of people 18 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:06.120 smashing into each other in boats. I existed, Yeah, I'm 19 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:07.560 really sure I had it last time. Might been new 20 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:09.439 for this Olympics, so that's not over the weekend. 21 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:12.239 I think keep your rye peeled well. I've spoiled the 22 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:13.879 other person joining us for we thought it'd only be 23 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:16.200 a trade deadline recap with our resident race fan. Here 24 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:18.000 it is Rob Navera Rob, how are you? 25 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:22.480 The trades have not made me feel great, but I 26 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:25.959 have been also watching some Olympics. The sport I've most enjoyed, 27 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:29.439 other than the shooting, is watching the swimmers walk out 28 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:33.079 to their blocks, and half of them walk out, you know, 29 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:35.280 the standard arms in the air, appreciate the crowd, and 30 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:38.079 then half of them are too cool for school, as 31 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:40.359 the Polish bloke a couple of days ago. Fantastic, So 32 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:42.640 I said that should be the newest sport is the 33 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:45.480 We should give medals out for the reactions to people 34 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:48.040 walking out for the swimming. Have a look, go to 35 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:50.280 watch them swimming and just watch some guys walking out. 36 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:51.959 That's that's where the games are at. 37 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:54.159 I will say. The other thing that's really entertaining is 38 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:56.319 if you saw any of the fencing, how on like 39 00:01:56.439 --> 00:01:58.879 at least half of the both guys seem to think 40 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:02.959 that they've won the touch, Like every single time they're 41 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:04.959 both like wheel away celebrating, and then one of them 42 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:07.560 turns back like horrified that the judges don't think they've 43 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.520 got the point, but like not just like once or twice, 44 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:12.840 Like I watched it for twenty minutes, and this maybe 45 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:14.960 happened fifteen times. It was incredible. 46 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:18.800 Algerian blocks that was that was that went viral, didn't it? 47 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:22.560 The fencing? He yeah, everyone was shouting all the time. 48 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:24.560 But what a wonderful venue that. I mean, Paris is 49 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:27.439 look great at it. And there's been some great moments already, 50 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:29.960 like genuine sporting moments to just watch some owe biles 51 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.199 win and she, I mean, that girl is is different, 52 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:33.400 you know, she is fantastic. 53 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:35.080 But yeah, it's been good. 54 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:37.759 But should we talk about baseball rather than than everything 55 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:40.479 that some ridiculous competition that doesn't should have. 56 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:43.159 Done a baseball shouldn't be really that should have been 57 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:45.879 today's man. Next time we. 58 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:47.800 Pause and come back. Yeah, it's all right, that's fine, 59 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:48.759 it's on for another couple of weeks. 60 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:49.639 We got that, We got that. 61 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:50.520 It's it's in the bank. 62 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:53.479 The French guy who was swimming last night seems to 63 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:54.840 be the sort of swimming version of the show. Here 64 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.680 is Hawney, isn't he? And that he went and won 65 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:00.199 gold in the breaststroke. And then half an hour to 66 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:01.840 turn around and want and we know it's sorry, wrong 67 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:03.759 way around, butterfly, and then turn around an hour later. 68 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:05.520 I've won gold in the breastroke, which apparently has never 69 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:08.240 ever been done in Olympic history before. So I'll nominate 70 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:11.599 him as the two way legend of swimming and we'll 71 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:13.639 probably leave the comparisons there. Although exciting to think, I mean, 72 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:15.439 I've been absorbed by the Olympics, as it sounds like 73 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:17.439 you guys have too. That baseball will be in it 74 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:20.599 again soon. I think that is a segway we can 75 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:22.639 kind of do to link the Olympics back to we 76 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:25.479 talk about today, because I mean, it really is such 77 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.240 an exciting couple of weeks, and to think, I mean, 78 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:29.280 there are a lot of sports in it. I was 79 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:31.719 in Nice at the weekend to watch some of the football, 80 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:33.960 and I do love football and do love the Olympics. 81 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:36.199 For those two things they don't really go together very well. 82 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:38.120 So if we can have Olympic football, we can certainly 83 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:40.879 have Olympic baseball, which will be an awful lot of fun. 84 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:42.759 But let's talk a little bit of trade deadline. Then. 85 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:45.360 We were talking before the podcast rather about how we 86 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:47.000 do not feel like we've been able to cover the 87 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:50.120 trade deadline particularly well, partly because there's been an awful 88 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.280 lot happening. So we're gonna lean on Darius here to 89 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:56.759 be our sage, the person who's coming with a knowledge 90 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:59.000 and the wisdom of not only the trades that happened, 91 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.000 but you know who did a good job at it. 92 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.280 So maybe we'll kick it off with you, Darius. What 93 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:06.680 has been the blockbuster trade of the deadline? What is 94 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.199 the one trade we should kick this whole thing off with. 95 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:13.400 Yeah, I think probably the thing about the trade deadline 96 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:16.079 is there wasn't a blockbuster trade, But I suppose if 97 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:19.279 if you want to pick one out, it kind of 98 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:21.519 is tempting to say, and you know, I don't want 99 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:24.240 to say this to Rob, but Randy rose A. Yeah, 100 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:28.079 getting trade to the Mariners not quite a deadline trade 101 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:30.800 in the sense that it happened at the deadline. But 102 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:33.439 I think it's either that or Jazz going to the Yankees. 103 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:36.279 Feel like they're sort of big. These are star names either, 104 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.160 guys who could we could really see kids in the postseason. 105 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:41.759 They feel like the headlines and we've all seen playoff 106 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.240 Randy before, you know, wouldn't be a surprise if he 107 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:47.160 turns it on in September or shows up for Seattle 108 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:49.279 and when they're getting in a wild cud spot or something 109 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:52.240 like that. I could believe that, but I do think 110 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:54.920 that if you compare this as previous you know, Max Shears, 111 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:58.480 a trade turner, these type of trades, we didn't have 112 00:04:58.480 --> 00:04:59.319 one of those issues. 113 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.199 No, we didn't feel like we had that one huge 114 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:05.800 passam bomb at you know, ten to deadline where a 115 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:08.120 huge player gets moved, But there was an awful lot 116 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:10.680 that happened. I guess's let's start with the a Rosa 117 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:12.680 in trade. I know you don't want to talk about it, Rob, 118 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:13.759 but we'll get the pain out of the way for 119 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:17.040 you as a Raised fan, I guess what was your 120 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:23.560 instant reaction? What do you feel now a few days later? Happy, sad? 121 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:27.800 Understanding it? What logical heart? Where are you at at 122 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:28.199 the moment? 123 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:32.560 I think you just covered all of it. It's typical 124 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:36.040 typical raising, if that's a word, which I don't think 125 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:39.920 it is. So yeah, the immediate reaction is awful. I mean, 126 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.879 the Rays don't get characters very often, we don't get 127 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:49.199 superstars very often, and Randy whilst his performance may not 128 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:51.800 have always been superstars, certainly he's had a down year 129 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:54.759 until very very recently when it comes to stars and 130 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.480 people that everyone of the sports know, Like he had 131 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:00.680 the flair he had the postseason. He was a big 132 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.000 guy and it was it was a really painful one 133 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:05.800 to go. Uh and he was just just first of 134 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:09.000 the dominoes there. So as they kind of started falling, 135 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:14.079 it felt worse and worse and worse and worse. We 136 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:18.720 obviously lost Zach Efflin to the Orioles. We also parades 137 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:22.199 to the Cubs, Armstrong to the Cardinals, Rosario to the Dodgers, 138 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:24.680 add them to the Padres, It on and on it went. 139 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:28.920 You know, it was all the good guys, but I 140 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.600 think the it started bad, but we thought it was 141 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:32.040 gonna be an. 142 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:32.600 Awful lot worse. 143 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:36.600 There were rumors mid game at one point that the 144 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:40.399 Pete Fairbanks was gonna be off to the Yankees, Yandy 145 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:44.120 Diaz was going to the Dodgers, and sorry to the Astros, 146 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.480 and then and then Brandon Lau was going to go 147 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:49.240 to anywhere like these were these were absolute givens and 148 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:51.759 so as it kind of the deadline clothes and those 149 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:54.480 guys hadn't gone anywhere. It was like, oh, actually, you 150 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:57.560 know what made maybe maybe it's it's not all that bad. 151 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:00.360 And if you if you actually really. 152 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.720 Look at the Rays here, they've sort of done it 153 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:05.879 again in that no doubt this team is a worse 154 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:09.920 team than just before the trade deadline. 155 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:12.600 There is no doubt about that. It is a worse team. 156 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.560 However, there are some things that have happened. So so 157 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.600 Zach Efflyn was poor this year, He's not been great. 158 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:21.240 He's been shifted on. Jeffrey Springs has just come up 159 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:23.959 and replaced him. So okay, all right, we're potentially slightly 160 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:28.480 better there. Christopher Morel has more home runs, more power 161 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:32.639 than the East Up parades, has been showing and he's just. 162 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:33.560 Started to pick it up. 163 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:36.519 Randy Rose Arena has not been the Randy of last 164 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:39.319 and that guaranteed yet. The last month or so he's 165 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:41.800 been absolutely phenomenal, but the year as a whole, he's 166 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:45.920 not been brilliant. So you start putting together, actually one 167 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:46.839 of the Rays really. 168 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:49.480 Really lost here. They are worse. Don't get me wrong, 169 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:51.839 I'm saying they are worse. They've got blood. Dylan Carlson 170 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:54.199 now playing the outfield, but they are worse. 171 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:58.439 However, this team was hovering around five hundred as they 172 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:02.839 were really really struggling man for man to match up 173 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:04.399 to what they should be doing in a normal year. 174 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:07.560 If these guys and there's signs that they are coming 175 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:10.759 back to just returning to average, returning to where we 176 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.279 all thought they can be at the beginning of season. 177 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:15.399 If they've done that, we've taken out a couple of 178 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:17.720 crap guys. Yeah, we're taking out a couple of good guys. 179 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:21.560 I don't think this team is going to do an 180 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:23.680 awful lot worse than it has done in the first 181 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:25.920 what do I say the first. 182 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:27.600 Half prior to the All Star break. 183 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.600 I think you'll find that this team, as you know 184 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:33.279 that usually exceeds and ends up being a ninety five 185 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:35.840 ninety nine win team. Perhaps we've dropped to a ninety 186 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.159 win team now, but I genuinely think they are going 187 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.399 to do better in this half of the season than 188 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.840 they have in the first half. And it was a 189 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:46.600 disappointing start. But I've come full circle now and I think, 190 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:48.159 you know, I think we're still in it. 191 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:50.600 Yeah, there were certainly one of the fascinating teams out 192 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:52.919 the deadline, like you say that they are still in it, 193 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:55.480 whether you think the team they've got now is better 194 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:58.480 or worse, probably worse than it was going into last week. 195 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:01.080 You know, they're above five hundred. It's a very competitive 196 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:03.320 American league, but they've got a chance to do it. 197 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:06.279 And this is sort of the raise em isn't it. 198 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:08.600 I know they've been a very good team for a 199 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:13.039 long time now and and sort of have gone very 200 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:14.840 well to manage a lot of different trades, a lot 201 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:16.879 of different players moving on. They obviously have always been 202 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:20.720 a team that have had a small salary overall. So 203 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:22.840 I think that this is kind of what they tend 204 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:24.679 to do. And there's that kind of ongoing joke I suppose, 205 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.639 isn't there among baseball fans where you know, love this 206 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:30.240 trade for the rais you know, who do they get? 207 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:32.639 Who do they give away? Where we just assume they 208 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:35.399 operate in a way that is smarter than any other 209 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:38.159 baseball teams. But I guess questions to be asked you. 210 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:40.720 I personally liked Dylan Carlson pick up feels like such 211 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:43.320 a raise move right, like a once top prospect who 212 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.559 now has flamed out, reclamation guy who will turn into 213 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:49.200 a superstar somehow in their hands. And it feels like 214 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:51.000 a lot of the prospects they've picked up, whilst maybe 215 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.919 not at the top of prospect lists, have got intrigue. 216 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.840 There could be something someday for the Rais Christopher Morel 217 00:09:56.879 --> 00:09:59.919 again a guy who and the Cubs fans have derived 218 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.200 at times for his performance both at the play and 219 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:04.759 in the field, but can't deny has got tools and 220 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:07.080 could be someone who could be kind of star if 221 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:10.279 given the right instruction. Darius did. Did the Rays win 222 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:12.080 all these trades? How did you feel about the hole 223 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:13.919 they got back but for the sort of core they 224 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:14.840 ended up giving away? 225 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:18.879 Yeah, I mean Ray's turn former Cardinals outfielder into good 226 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:20.639 player is like not going to be a story we 227 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:22.039 haven't heard for us familiar. 228 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:25.159 Yeah. 229 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:28.279 I think the thing I always think about the Rays is, 230 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:30.320 you know, it's not quite the Orioles, but you do, 231 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:34.120 as somebody who thinks about, you know, who's going to 232 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:36.799 play on each team in anordinate amount of time, you 233 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:39.360 look at as like Jonathan Randa and Curtis Meade and 234 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:41.679 Junior and Arrow and think, hey, these guys are supposed 235 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:43.679 to be like really good prospects. Are able to hit, 236 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.399 and like the Rays have too many pieces to fit 237 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:49.080 them onto the team without cutting a bunch of other 238 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:52.360 guys who are also valuetball players. So I don't I 239 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:54.080 think that's right. I don't think they are going to 240 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:56.159 be a great deal worse if they are worse at all, 241 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.039 And you know, maybe some of these guys to show 242 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:00.240 up and make the team better. You know, they they 243 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:03.279 do start hitting, and do you know the Raids are 244 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.559 going to match them up, right? So yeah, it's tough 245 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.480 as a fan, I think, but you've got to trust 246 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:12.879 the process with them. I guess more than anybody else 247 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:15.120 that they are going to make the right moves here. 248 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:16.519 And you know, they're not going to win one hundred 249 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:18.600 percent of trades, but they win a hell of a 250 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.159 lot more than they lose. So yeah, I wouldn't be 251 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.159 surprised if we turn around in two three years time 252 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:25.240 and we're like, oh, hey, you remember that raised trade 253 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:28.519 at the deadline. Now they've got like three really valuable, 254 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:31.799 above average big leaguers out of it, and the guy 255 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:35.039 they traded is, you know, out of the majors. That's 256 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:36.000 entirely plausible to me. 257 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:39.360 I guess on the flip side of it then looking 258 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.840 at the Mariners, particularly as the guys who acquired a 259 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:44.919 Rosorina that I feel like last time we talked they 260 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:47.279 had about an eight game division lead. Since then it 261 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:50.600 has been completely eradicated by the Houston Astros, who now 262 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:52.480 sit top of the Al West, as seems to be 263 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.840 tradition in that division of late they obviously seem a 264 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:59.159 little bit desperate for some offensive help. They got a 265 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:02.600 Rose Raina. They also Justin Turner, do we feel like 266 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:04.840 the Mariners have got the pieces there to make a 267 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:07.559 run at the playoffs at one point that like they 268 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:10.120 would be competitive for that division. They still, on paper, 269 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:12.000 are right up there with a chance to do it, 270 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.720 although momentum would suggest they're going to fall away a 271 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:19.080 little bit. These additions enough to make them a better team. 272 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:20.399 Are they one that they're going to push for the 273 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:23.480 playoffs or is this another example of the Mariners going 274 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:27.120 quote all in only to end up all out of 275 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:28.080 the playoffs. 276 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:32.919 I think it's the arena is a bit more of 277 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:35.840 a proper move. It feels like Justin Turner feels like 278 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:38.679 them doing the same thing again, like what piece can 279 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:41.200 we get? What's marginal? What's not going to cost us 280 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:43.639 very much, which is the same thing that they've been 281 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:45.480 doing for the last couple of years, and we've sat 282 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:47.600 here going, hey, why don't you make a bigger move 283 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:50.639 and make your team better by a meaningful amount instead 284 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:52.759 of like, oh, we're going to trade for these fringier 285 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:55.120 pieces and we don't want to spend a bunch of money. 286 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:57.919 You know, they've got the worst strike up rate in 287 00:12:57.919 --> 00:12:59.960 the majors by a couple of percentage points, is not 288 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:05.320 particularly close. Their OBP is basically three hundred. I think 289 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:07.919 you know that's they're like fifth worst in the majors. 290 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:10.360 So yeah, it's definitely going to move the needle because 291 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:13.039 both Turner and Arena are going to be better than that. 292 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:17.759 Can they get to like league average line up with 293 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:20.039 the pitching they've got and make a run? I think 294 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.360 it's possible with the three world cars, I think they 295 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:25.320 should get one of those wild guns. But it still 296 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:27.279 feels a little bit like this was a team that 297 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:30.960 you know, basically needed like a total offensive superstar or 298 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:33.840 two or three to actually raise them into a team 299 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:35.799 that you're worried about. You're still not scared of this 300 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.039 lineup because they are added a rose Arena and Turner. 301 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:41.879 You know, there's some real dross in this lineup, and 302 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:43.720 they strike out a hell of a lot, which I 303 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:45.600 think is going to get exploited in the playoffs as well. 304 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:48.799 So I'm lot scared of the Mariners lineup, but I 305 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:51.919 think teams have got to be a bit more concerned 306 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:54.240 about them than they were before, which is saying something. 307 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:56.480 It feels like a team that could be a bit 308 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:59.840 scarier come October if they do sneak into the playoffs 309 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:06.000 that recipe of elite rotation, good enough bullpen, and maybe 310 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:08.919 some hitters that can get streaky. I mean, adding playoff 311 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:11.320 Randy never hurts when you're talking about a team looking 312 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:14.360 scary in October. But it does feel like that that's 313 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:16.559 maybe their plan is just sneak in any way we 314 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:19.960 can and then hope that someone gets hot in October, 315 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.559 that we know the rotation is elite and we can 316 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:25.200 sort of fumble our way through from there, which I 317 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:28.039 mean is not the worst idea, right, It feels like 318 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:30.279 something that could work for them, But it does feel 319 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:32.519 like that, yeah, they needed to do something. I think 320 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:34.679 the raise raining move is good, is positive. Let's talk 321 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:38.720 about the other I guess blockbusterish trade from the deadline, 322 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:41.960 or certainly one that got people's attention. Jazz Chisholm from 323 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:44.720 the Marlins to the Yankees. I think we on this 324 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:47.600 podcast have repeated many times how much we love Jazz 325 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.279 for a lot of reasons, not least because he's sort 326 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:53.960 of one of our own. What do we think of 327 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:57.080 this move from the Yankees' perspective. Obviously a big name, 328 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.600 someone who's got personality. He seems to have fit in 329 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.279 reasonably well at the base, a new position for him 330 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:06.960 so far in his time in New York. Robert was 331 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:08.600 your instant reaction to this move? 332 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:12.840 Instant reaction is it's fantastic, brilliant move for the Yankees, 333 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.320 brilliant move for Jazz as well. He's he's got that, 334 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:19.879 he's got the swagger's he seems to have a big 335 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:22.759 enough personality to deal with the big town, you know, 336 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:27.120 the big, big side of it all. And it was 337 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:29.440 it wasn't it was really sort of I had the 338 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:33.240 feeling he's been mismanaged in Miami a little bit. They've 339 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:36.759 not done well recently. You know, they were supposed to 340 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:39.000 be flying high by now, and it's not gone great. 341 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.080 You know, and and the fringy guys they've gone have 342 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:45.279 all failed, and it's pretty ugly in Miami right now. 343 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:48.480 And I think Jazz getting out there was great. I 344 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:51.200 think it's fantastic for him and for the Yankees, who 345 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:57.440 themselves have really started to falter offensively recently. To have him, 346 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:59.120 he's almost sort of like kind of like the third 347 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:02.639 guy on the lineup already. You know, you've got you've 348 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:06.159 got Soto, Judge and Jazz now and and he's fit 349 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:08.679 right in there, like people are. People are saying the 350 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:10.679 three he doesn't quite obviously deserve to be in that 351 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:13.279 category of hitter yet, but he's fit straight in there. 352 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:14.519 That's the way people are talking about. 353 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:18.159 It's those three guys bang Bank Banks, Soto, Judge, chisholm 354 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.960 uh And. I think he's strode straight into it, and 355 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:24.799 I think it's fantastic for them. It's exactly what the 356 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.879 what the the Yankees needed, exactly what he needed was 357 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:31.519 change the scenery, all those cliches there. But but you know, 358 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:33.399 he steps straight up and he's been he's been very 359 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:36.200 good since he's since he's got there, so you really 360 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.799 can't fault the trade. I think it's exactly what everybody needed. 361 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:41.480 There are no losers here rather than potentially the Miami 362 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:43.440 Marlins and specifically Pete. 363 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:48.399 Pratt Mami Marlins losing out. That doesn't sound right. You know, 364 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:50.120 you're right to say that the Jazz has been good 365 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:51.399 so far, and I think he had four home months 366 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:53.600 in his first three games, right, and Yankee fans have 367 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:57.960 endeared themselves to him very quickly. I didn't closely follow 368 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:02.320 the whole dynamic where it sounded like Labor Torres refused 369 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:04.519 to move off second and she said he's happy to 370 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:06.799 play it anywhere, and now he's playing third. And again, 371 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:09.200 I've not been following Yankes games place, but it seems 372 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:10.839 like he's been playing weez and b well there. I 373 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:13.960 don't know if there's a whole other internal thing going on, 374 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:16.079 but if he's able to add that to what was 375 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:19.440 already quite an impressive array of defensive positions that he 376 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:24.400 can play competently, then another bow for shrugging the bow 377 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:29.119 sorry for Jazz, which is impressive, Darius. What's going on 378 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.519 with the Marlins that they've sort of torn it all 379 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:36.759 down again? Is this another new rock bottom for them? 380 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:39.720 Is there any light out there for Pete and another 381 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:40.759 Marlins fans. 382 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:43.799 Yes, this is like, what year is it? 383 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:44.400 Like? 384 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:47.799 Haven't we seen this story not just once before, but two, three, 385 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:52.680 four times? It is obviously depressing. I think we could 386 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:57.000 probably have seen this coming given their record, given the 387 00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:59.680 state of the farm system as well, which was not good. 388 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.079 Bad combination with the Marlins having a bad big league 389 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.960 team and a bad farm, So I think I think 390 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.720 Peter Bendix has done pretty good job here getting what 391 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:12.680 he could. For the most part, I'm not convinced that 392 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:17.119 the trade specifically is the one that fans will be 393 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.359 delighted with the return on. But they made a lot 394 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:21.319 of moves and I think he got a lot back for, 395 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:24.799 you know, some relievers who are probably likely to, yeah, 396 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:26.480 be those guys who in a couple of years we're 397 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:29.119 going to be like, why did anybody trade for those 398 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:33.160 relievers that are deadline? You know? So yeah, you know, 399 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:35.880 they shipped out Josh Bill just to save the money basically. 400 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:39.359 But I like the Trevor Rodgers Hall a lot, you know, 401 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:42.359