Speaker 1: Cho then the Fantasy sat in Louisial History, the gold
Speaker 1: Then tell me youie.
Speaker 2: To me, It's a little Warriors, It's the ultimate Challenge.
Speaker 1: It's Rustling six right here on the Golden Era Podcast
Speaker 1: with Sean Mooney.
Speaker 2: How you doing today?
Speaker 3: I am doing great.
Speaker 4: Nice to see you, Steve, and we're gonna be talking
Speaker 4: about a Wressellmania today. That remains one of my favorites
Speaker 4: for a number of reasons though, as usual, because there's
Speaker 4: so many backstage.
Speaker 3: Stories, and we really do have a lot of them.
Speaker 4: So thank you, thank you for having me dig back
Speaker 4: into that deep chest that I have in my memory.
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Well, anytime anyone sees these episodes pop up, they always go, god,
Speaker 1: damn it it Mooney looks amazing.
Speaker 2: And so nineteen ninety, Mooney, you had a little bit
Speaker 2: of a mullet if you.
Speaker 1: If you go back and watch the uh the interviews
Speaker 1: Dusty and Demolition, you got a little mullet there.
Speaker 2: What's what's going on?
Speaker 4: It was just a little mullet. Well, it was kind
Speaker 4: of the thing to do back then. But I did
Speaker 4: have it going on, you know, uh, partying back business
Speaker 4: up front and I was. I was getting it done
Speaker 4: on both ends back then.
Speaker 2: So, well, you looked great.
Speaker 1: You looked great when I when you popped up when
Speaker 1: I was watching it, and I'm like, wow, he looks amazing,
Speaker 1: almost like a picture. I was like, no, we're gonna
Speaker 1: wait for this. We're gonna talk about it, uh the
Speaker 1: next day. And it's funny, because wrestling is six everyone
Speaker 1: brings it up as in, whose camp were you in?
Speaker 1: Were you a wholek maniac? Were you a little warrior?
Speaker 1: Am I been questioned for you? Before we really get
Speaker 1: into all this was ultimate Warrior ready for the pressure
Speaker 1: to be the face of the w w F after
Speaker 1: wrestling a six.
Speaker 4: Well, I really wanted to get in into that today
Speaker 4: because as we have discussed many times about the Warrior
Speaker 4: and people have, you know, it just rages on this
Speaker 4: debate of who was he?
Speaker 3: What was he all about?
Speaker 4: And and and I found an old interview with him
Speaker 4: that was done years later after he had left the WWF,
Speaker 4: and I just found it fascinating. It's one of the
Speaker 4: best I've ever seen of him, because I kind of
Speaker 4: had a revelation about him after all of these years,
Speaker 4: and and I think, really what it comes down to.
Speaker 4: I don't think people could really handle back then somebody
Speaker 4: that was just completely honest for whatever his way of thinking,
Speaker 4: good or bad.
Speaker 3: But that guy just told.
Speaker 4: It the way it was in his in his mind
Speaker 4: and and the life that he was living. And you know,
Speaker 4: of course, everybody when they get a chance to sit
Speaker 4: these guys down, they want to say, you know, what
Speaker 4: were you thinking through the match? What was you know,
Speaker 4: was the pressure on? Did you notice the crowd and everything?
Speaker 4: And he basically says, you know, please, I'm so tired
Speaker 4: of these questions in a sense that people think that
Speaker 4: you come back to a memory and do this to
Speaker 4: anybody about a big event in their life. And of
Speaker 4: course everybody says, you know, oh yeah, it's all fresh.
Speaker 4: I remember, No, you don't. And I think back too
Speaker 4: of all the events that I was involved in, and
Speaker 4: you know, when you're doing it, you're just doing it.
Speaker 4: You're not taking it in and maybe later you can
Speaker 4: kind of reflect on it. But I think at the time,
Speaker 4: Jim Helwig was just one of those people, and I
Speaker 4: think you're seeing more of it today, you know, like
Speaker 4: this whole thing about being genuine, he was genuine. There's
Speaker 4: you know, whatever good or bad. Wather you loved him
Speaker 4: or hated him or whatever. Jim just said it. And
Speaker 4: I don't think people were ready for that. So you say,
Speaker 4: was you know, was he ready for this challenge?
Speaker 3: Was he?
Speaker 4: I think that Jim always looked at it that, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 4: you feel the pressure. But I think he felt that
Speaker 4: every time he ran out down that runway to the ring,
Speaker 4: and so sure this was on a different stage. And
Speaker 4: he talks about the match, and I figured we get
Speaker 4: into this a little bit later since, but now we're
Speaker 4: talking about it that he says, sure, I remember the moment.
Speaker 4: I know it was this big thing, but to me,
Speaker 4: it was just me doing my job. And he said
Speaker 4: in particular, though, he goes, I do remember that it
Speaker 4: was magic that day, that everything with Hulk worked, everything
Speaker 4: that I did worked, and it was just you know,
Speaker 4: a special time. But as far as people thinking that,
Speaker 4: you know, he's going to dig deep into those wonderful
Speaker 4: memories and say, oh, I just remember being on the
Speaker 4: canvas and looking out over into the arena and people
Speaker 4: and me capturing and seeing their faces. You're not going
Speaker 4: to get that from somebody like him.
Speaker 3: So was he ready?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Because he was in for the ride. And bottom line,
Speaker 4: to him, he was doing a job he had. He
Speaker 4: wanted to be successful, he wanted to, you know, make money.
Speaker 4: Was one of the biggest reasons he was doing what
Speaker 4: he was doing. And he was along the same lines
Speaker 4: certainly way different personalities, but like Sid, Sid looked at
Speaker 4: it in the same way that it wasn't They weren't
Speaker 4: passionate about the business. It wasn't their life. They didn't
Speaker 4: live it. They didn't just.
Speaker 3: Love every bit of it.
Speaker 4: As we know, there are many that did, but those
Speaker 4: two weren't one of them, and Jim Helwig was certainly
Speaker 4: not one of them. He saying he didn't like what
Speaker 4: he was doing. I'm just saying he wasn't that guy.
Speaker 4: He wasn't in it because of the you know, oh
Speaker 4: I just this is I love this. That wasn't him.
Speaker 2: That's I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 1: Because over the years we have done podcasts so far
Speaker 1: probably like thirty something of them where people are always
Speaker 1: critical of our comment un Ultimate Warrior, But here it
Speaker 1: seems like we've changed our tone a little bit with
Speaker 1: Warrior because there is a lot of pressure on someone
Speaker 1: who's going to work every day, and again it's a
Speaker 1: job you know, I like podcasting, I like interviewing wrestlers,
Speaker 1: But guess what, when I'm up at three in the
Speaker 1: morning editing, sometimes you're like, well, this is not fun,
Speaker 1: this isn't turning into fun.
Speaker 2: But I'm also creating. I'm also having a good time.
Speaker 1: Ultimate Warrior is there for a paycheck, but he's also
Speaker 1: there to create memories that will gain him more money,
Speaker 1: will gain him more notoriety and more celebrity status. So
Speaker 1: him here Wrestmania six, the pressure is on, especially because
Speaker 1: the whole tagline is it's called the Ultimate Challenge, Ken
Speaker 1: Holt Hogan defeat Ultimate Warrior.
Speaker 2: That's what the people are buying.
Speaker 1: And people were buying it because Russmania six two good
Speaker 1: guys funding each other in the main event. This is
Speaker 1: unheard of. This is everyone thinks now, it's such a
Speaker 1: normal thing to happen. This is uncharted territories. What were
Speaker 1: the thoughts going into this as someone who worked in
Speaker 1: the company, where you're thinking, is this a good idea?
Speaker 1: Like fans are going to be swaye They're not going
Speaker 1: to be booing or cheering. They're going to be cheering
Speaker 1: both men. It's going to be hard to decipher who
Speaker 1: do you want to win?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it's interesting what you said at
Speaker 4: the top of this of saying, you know, were you
Speaker 4: a Hulka maniac or were you a warrior? Were you
Speaker 4: a little warrior? And you know, in all of wrestling,
Speaker 4: you've got to have, you know, some split however it
Speaker 4: is to create this friction in the ring, and this
Speaker 4: was a classic example of it. Now you say, you know,
Speaker 4: was I think, like, oh man, two babyfaces, how are
Speaker 4: you gonna get? But no, I didn't because you I've
Speaker 4: seen and talked to people where you didn't have people
Speaker 4: that were fans of both. You know, you really did
Speaker 4: have You did like one or the other. So that
Speaker 4: wasn't tough to you know, figure out that you're gonna
Speaker 4: have sides in this and that's pretty much what you
Speaker 4: need to create that confrontation. So that wasn't a question all.
Speaker 4: But was it, as you said today, you kind have
Speaker 4: used to seeing this stuff back then. No, it was
Speaker 4: always those lines. It was, you know, a good guy
Speaker 4: bad guy. And even though we started to blur the
Speaker 4: line about what exactly was a bad guy and how
Speaker 4: could he be over that, you know wasn't the case here.
Speaker 4: And so to have this though in this showdown, and
Speaker 4: I think that's what people wanted to see that because
Speaker 4: there were people that were not big fans of Hulk
Speaker 4: Hogan uh and were you know, ultimate Warrior all the way,
Speaker 4: and then you had your Hulco maniacs, and they wanted
Speaker 4: to see it settled once and for all. And so
Speaker 4: as far as me thinking was this a good idea, yeah,
Speaker 4: I thought absolutely it was a great idea.
Speaker 2: I also agree with you because think of the past.
Speaker 4: And they had things to settle here too, Steve, what
Speaker 4: was going on with Hulk at the time, and the
Speaker 4: belt and all this stuff and the titles and so
Speaker 4: it was. It was a I thought was a great
Speaker 4: storyline and a way to settle.
Speaker 1: It one percent because a year before that you had
Speaker 1: the megapot was explode. Before that, you had WrestleMania have
Speaker 1: an entire tournament to krind of a new champion before that,
Speaker 1: and Andre getting bodieslim before that, free locations for Estumanti
Speaker 1: before that, the first WrestleMania. Like we are building if
Speaker 1: we're talking about seasons or like episodes wrestlemana episodes, we
Speaker 1: are going up and up and up and up and up.
Speaker 1: Because each year you're trying to achieve something better than
Speaker 1: you did the year before, and the also been challenge.
Speaker 2: I feel like delivered one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: April first, nineteen ninety, SkyDome, first WrestleMania outside of the US. Now,
Speaker 1: I know wrestling is always going to be popular in Canada,
Speaker 1: But did vincient man think.
Speaker 2: Like, is this a gamble? Is this not a gamble?
Speaker 1: Like what do you think he was trying to put
Speaker 1: through his brain leaving America for Canada?
Speaker 4: Well, I think that sure. Was it a gamble, absolutely,
Speaker 4: especially when you're going to go to another country and
Speaker 4: then try and get a massive crowd there, which, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, sixty five thousand plus was a huge challenge, challenge.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, you know, think about where
Speaker 4: we were. You know, business wasn't bad, and this is
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety we're talking, but they were starting to think okay,
Speaker 4: and they were used to things. How you know, it
Speaker 4: kind of went cyclical, it was up and down, and
Speaker 4: they knew that, you know, we've.
Speaker 3: Got to start expanding.
Speaker 4: Canada was a great place to do it because, of course,
Speaker 4: you know, Canada was huge for professional wrestling across all
Speaker 4: of that country. From one end to the other and
Speaker 4: you had a lot of territories. So yeah, was it
Speaker 4: a bit of a gamble, yes, but it was a
Speaker 4: great place to start as far as being international, and
Speaker 4: it was it was a you know, it was a
Speaker 4: great event. And they did pack that house. Whether or not,
Speaker 4: I don't know how many they ended up giving away,
Speaker 4: but still you get that many people. It shows that
Speaker 4: the ww E at the time was was very, very popular.
Speaker 4: So was it a gamble, absolutely, but that's what they
Speaker 4: reveled and Vince knew that that's what he had to do.
Speaker 4: He had to leap every time with these events, and
Speaker 4: they just kept paying off.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and the arena is so packed that they
Speaker 1: elevate the ring just like they did wrestum A three.
Speaker 1: And then they bring back those motorized wrestling carts to
Speaker 1: bring you from the front to the back. And I
Speaker 1: always love those, like I don't know why those are
Speaker 1: something that they should have sold us toys for so
Speaker 1: long and they just didn't like the has bros. Yeah uh,
Speaker 1: but Warrior and Hogan they decide we're not going to
Speaker 1: get on those carts. We're gonna walk war because Warrior
Speaker 1: his bit is he runs.
Speaker 2: Really fast in the ring. What the hell is he
Speaker 2: gonna do? You sit there and do this while he
Speaker 2: was sitting on a motorized car.
Speaker 1: Those are a nice little addition to this wrestlming he is,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a big, big entrance. But Grill mon
Speaker 1: Soon and Jesse body Ventura are on commentary and this
Speaker 1: is their sixth WrestleMania together. And we've talked about how
Speaker 1: Bobby and Grilla have quite a rapport Jim Ross and
Speaker 1: Jerry Lawler. But I don't think Jesse and Gorilla get
Speaker 1: all this credit because Jesse's background as a professional wrestler.
Speaker 1: I know Gorilla was too, and so is Bobby, but
Speaker 1: people really knew Jesse as a wrestler versus Bobby and
Speaker 1: Gorilla as being wrestlers. Depending on your age, I guess
Speaker 1: what did you think of the Jesse Gorilla combo?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, at that point, Jesse's history in the
Speaker 4: ring had really nothing to do with him getting over
Speaker 4: as a credible analyst at the time, and that was that,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't even remember, you know, only ever
Speaker 4: becoming part of the conversation. And truth be told, he
Speaker 4: wasn't great in the ring. His gift was his mouth
Speaker 4: and what and all the way along. I mean, he
Speaker 4: cut great promos. He knew how to sell, so that
Speaker 4: was his big selling point. And as we've discussed before, now,
Speaker 4: nothing against Jesse. I always said that Jesse I thought
Speaker 4: was great with Vince. I did. I didn't love the
Speaker 4: combination of the two of them, but you know they
Speaker 4: were they did well together. I mean it was a
Speaker 4: very you know, back and forth, but nothing like you'd
Speaker 4: see with Bobby and Gorilla. That that the magic that was.
Speaker 4: But we've gotten used to that team. As far as
Speaker 4: for the big events was you know, Gorilla and Jesse
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, uh, Jesse was on top of
Speaker 4: his game as always. And I always love to hear
Speaker 4: about people asking about Jesse's prep for events. Now, if
Speaker 4: you watch the openings to these or they do the
Speaker 4: little breaks on camera, he would actually you could tell
Speaker 4: that he worked those, you know that he would. I
Speaker 4: think he'd said, you know, I've been to all this,
Speaker 4: I've been to this, I've done this, I've been to fights,
Speaker 4: but you know, wrestle meanie is the greatest event ever
Speaker 4: or whatever however he started that and you could tell
Speaker 4: that was something, you know, that was the actor in him.
Speaker 4: But as far as when he sat down to that,
Speaker 4: to the to the announced booth there, to the to
Speaker 4: the desk to do the event, that was it, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean he didn't take notes, he was you know,
Speaker 4: neither did Bobby. But that was all just you know,
Speaker 4: go and and Gorilla could do that as well. That's
Speaker 4: what made him a great play by play guy is
Speaker 4: that he knew how to get that stuff going with
Speaker 4: other people sitting next to him, which is a gift
Speaker 4: a lot of people don't realize. You know, that's not
Speaker 4: an easy thing to do, and especially when you're bouncing
Speaker 4: in between different personalities.
Speaker 3: But Gorilla was very good at that.
Speaker 4: But you know, Jesse was you know, great just at
Speaker 4: moments you know, like he didn't have as if people
Speaker 4: know about how a person who was a color analyst
Speaker 4: prepares for a football game, you know, or baseball game,
Speaker 4: they you know, reams of notes.
Speaker 3: And then you've got.
Speaker 4: Somebody who was what they call like a spotter or
Speaker 4: you know, and they they were in your ear and
Speaker 4: they're giving you little fun facts here and there, or
Speaker 4: they notice things like that. You get a great guy
Speaker 4: that he's your your dude. That wasn't the case. It
Speaker 4: was just Okay, what's happening up there? And I'm really
Speaker 4: good at doing this and that Jesse.
Speaker 1: I love how you brought up Jesse the beginning of
Speaker 1: the Somnia six because he does say that, he's like,
Speaker 1: I've been to the super Bowl, I've been to the
Speaker 1: World Series, I've been to the Rolling Stones, but nothing
Speaker 1: like this at Wrestlingia six. But even before that, you
Speaker 1: had Vince McMahon doing a voiceover over the of war
Speaker 1: a Warrior and Cogan and are in the stars in
Speaker 1: the galaxy far beyond Meetings and he's just going through
Speaker 1: it and you see like a crab and you see
Speaker 1: a Zeus and then you see warriors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the calstellation of the sky.
Speaker 1: I always enjoyed vinsic man voiceover, and this is one
Speaker 1: of those, uh particular ones. He doesn't scream until the
Speaker 1: end because he's like, yeah, he's he's pretty would just
Speaker 1: keep going, Oh, you gotta go when you lose your
Speaker 1: voice though. The first matchup of this event is Coco
Speaker 1: be Where versus Rick the model Martell. For the first
Speaker 1: person everyone sees at the gate is cocob Where flapping
Speaker 1: his arms like a bird.
Speaker 4: And Frankie was there too, yes, of course.
Speaker 1: Well because Jack Tounny didn't enforce you know, and get
Speaker 1: rid of animals by ringside. Yet that won't happened until
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. God damn you, President, Jack Tunney. I
Speaker 1: always will praise you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No. And Coco sings on that and his theme song.
Speaker 4: People know that. I mean Coco had a good voice.
Speaker 4: He did a lot of gospel. He was, you know,
Speaker 4: very talented guy. And I've told you about Coco. Coco
Speaker 4: was one of my favorites just uh, you know, just
Speaker 4: a great guy. And and I love this, you know
Speaker 4: when you tell the stories when he first they hooked
Speaker 4: him up with Frankie.
Speaker 3: That bird was just nasty as it could be.
Speaker 4: And you know they're talking about some of the first
Speaker 4: events went out there and the they got him the
Speaker 4: and he's supposed to sit on this perch and he
Speaker 4: does and he falls off and you go over to
Speaker 4: him and he's like biting you.
Speaker 3: Ah man.
Speaker 4: But I love Coco and one of the toughest.
Speaker 3: People I ever met in my life. Uh. And and
Speaker 3: I thought a great a great performer too.
Speaker 4: And he was only or is only about like about
Speaker 4: five seven maybe, so he that guy, boy, he could
Speaker 4: do a lot in that ring. And you know, this
Speaker 4: matchup I thought was pretty good too, even though he
Speaker 4: ends up kind of getting squashed in this. But I
Speaker 4: love Coco. Coco is still to this day one of
Speaker 4: my favorites.
Speaker 2: Same.
Speaker 1: I think it's funny that people think, oh, he has
Speaker 1: got a bird. It's pretty cool. But you're not thinking like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, this guy's not a bird trainer. He's a
Speaker 1: professional wrestler.
Speaker 2: So here you go. He's a giant parrot. Enjoy yourself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not like he put the thing in the truck.
Speaker 4: You know, you gotta take this thing and take care
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 2: And do you bring that thing to the hotels with him?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, a lot of times when he was traveling. Yeah,
Speaker 4: sometimes they did have him with him and he'd have
Speaker 4: to have that thing in the hotel room.
Speaker 3: And it's rock you know.
Speaker 2: Like all night long. Imagine sleeping with Coca. Why don't
Speaker 2: she round with me? No, no, I don't.
Speaker 4: And I'm sure initially it was like yeah, sure, I
Speaker 4: you know, he wants to be it's putting him over
Speaker 4: and then but then after a while you're like, oh
Speaker 4: my godness, bird.
Speaker 2: So well, yeah, Frankie, you had Matilda.
Speaker 4: She didn't have a python, right, Steve. I mean, geez,
Speaker 4: you imagine somebody having to do that.
Speaker 2: I would rather. I would rather have the bird.
Speaker 4: Than have the snake in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: In the bag. That's just me.
Speaker 1: I don't I think the snake can you twist around
Speaker 1: you and kill you?
Speaker 2: Frankie? The birds most likely going to be stealing your
Speaker 2: food from you. Maybe he'll kill you.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't you be sleeping like this?
Speaker 2: You know I would close it. I would put the
Speaker 2: animals in the bathroom and close the door.
Speaker 3: He did. But you never know, you know.
Speaker 1: Because you hear all these stories about Jake. How there's
Speaker 1: not you know, we didn't have just one Damien. We
Speaker 1: had multiple Damiens over poor reasons of taking care of
Speaker 1: a snake. I wonder, and I hope not, but there
Speaker 1: probably was more than one, Frankie, because.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, I think there was on
Speaker 4: the road get into But you know those birds, you know,
Speaker 4: they're very sensitive and uh you know, they get they
Speaker 4: get sick. So yeah, and when you're taking them all
Speaker 4: over the place and and then and putting them on
Speaker 4: planes and that kind of thing, it's ain't good.
Speaker 1: God, Eh, poor Coco, but he did lose he to
Speaker 1: Rick and the Model. Mark tell Everyone kind of thought
Speaker 1: that the Model was gonna fight Tito Santana because the
Speaker 1: Strike Force broke up right back but a year now,
Speaker 1: so everyone's thinking, Okay, we're gonna get Strike Force finally
Speaker 1: having a one on one match. They don't. Tito's in
Speaker 1: a different match in the evening, maybe a house show.
Speaker 1: But what's the reasoning you think of not connecting the
Speaker 1: dots of this seems pretty obvious to have Rick beat
Speaker 1: Tito or Tito beat Rick.
Speaker 2: Is it just to keep both of them strong?
Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody would have had to go down, and uh yeah,
Speaker 4: And I think they're trying to push both of them,
Speaker 4: you know, because the Model a gimmick wasn't that old,
Speaker 4: and you know they're trying to put him over, and
Speaker 4: then Tito was starting to get you know, a bit
Speaker 4: of a push as well. And as always, I love
Speaker 4: when they give these other guys a little shot to
Speaker 4: you know, be in that event, and Coco getting on
Speaker 4: that stage was awesome as well.
Speaker 3: A nice little payday for him too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these early WrestleManias, you can see every single wrestler
Speaker 1: you ever loved is all together on the card, and
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes it great about this event.
Speaker 1: But up next to the tag team titles, you're backstage though,
Speaker 1: you're interviewing Demolition, and this is one of those fun
Speaker 1: moments where Demolition keeps talking in puns about they're gonna
Speaker 1: smash them, but they're gonna hack them, they gonna destroy them.
Speaker 1: You know, what was your experience like with Demolition backstage?
Speaker 1: What are they like as people?
Speaker 3: Oh? Awesome.
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny because a lot of these heel
Speaker 4: tag teams, you know, they're supposed to be big, mean, nasty,
Speaker 4: horrible people, and they were some of the funniest.
Speaker 3: Guys you ever meet.
Speaker 4: You know that Led was like that too. You know,
Speaker 4: Hawk and Animal were just as funny. But you know,
Speaker 4: Barry and Bill were great as well, and they just
Speaker 4: kept getting better and better, you know, as a as
Speaker 4: a tag team, and you start getting that rhythm. And
Speaker 4: I watched that interview and I try and think back,
Speaker 4: and it's it's very sketchy to think, you know, try
Speaker 4: and pull out those details, but I do remember just
Speaker 4: how smooth it was with them. They would tell me,
Speaker 4: you know, what kind of what they were going to do,
Speaker 4: and I just had to make sure I got the
Speaker 4: mic in the right place.
Speaker 3: But I just remember how easy they made it.
Speaker 4: And I thought, you know, Bill initially had the edge
Speaker 4: as far as cutting promos, but I thought, you know,
Speaker 4: Barry became really good as well. And and this that
Speaker 4: interview that they did for that event was I thought
Speaker 4: was really good. Like you said, it was loaded with puns,
Speaker 4: but you know, it all worked it, you know. And
Speaker 4: I even remember afterwards that Bill saying, you know it
Speaker 4: was there, did we have enough in there? Enough puns?
Speaker 3: And there they walk it up. I said, I think
Speaker 3: you got them all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we checked them all off because you
Speaker 1: would say it it sounds like a Debligen Derby and
Speaker 1: you're like, now you got the and then looking at
Speaker 1: you like now you get it, Like yeah, got it after.
Speaker 2: A minute of puns.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, check got that one too.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah.
Speaker 4: And that was some really funny There was a lot
Speaker 4: of funny stuff in those interviews.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: The one with with with Jean and Bobby and what
Speaker 4: did he call them the colostomy and it was supposed
Speaker 4: to be the I can't yeah, the colossal connection, and
Speaker 4: and Bobby's like, what did what did you saying?
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: And in the end before they go into that and
Speaker 4: they said the interview and then Jean's like does the pensive.
Speaker 2: Yes, did I see you know?
Speaker 4: And and folks there were there was just there was
Speaker 4: a lot of inside stuff.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And Jeane was was classic and and got away with
Speaker 4: so much. But uh, you know, Vince knew what he
Speaker 4: did and they let him do it.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you, I just I love going back
Speaker 4: and watching these because to me, that's especially just from
Speaker 4: where I came from with them, to watch those and
Speaker 4: it's just to me, it's like watching a great match
Speaker 4: for me when I see some of the stuff that
Speaker 4: Jean did with people, and his timing and what he
Speaker 4: would say and what he didn't say was worth a
Speaker 4: thousand words a lot of time. And especially you know
Speaker 4: in on the stage there with with Bobby as well.
Speaker 4: I mean they were just classic together. Soy, I love
Speaker 4: going back and watching this stuff and we and there
Speaker 4: there was so much We'll get into it. But there
Speaker 4: was a lot of celebrity presence at these at this event,
Speaker 4: which is kind of unusual. I was thinking, like, why Toronto.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like we're in Los Angeles or Vegas or something,
Speaker 4: is it Toronto and all these ofsania. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: guess I've got some good stories, though, we'll get to it.
Speaker 1: There was one celebrity though, They mentioned Jesse on commentary.
Speaker 1: You know, jump around for a second, but when Warriors
Speaker 1: fight Hogan and Warrior is getting beat down by Hogan,
Speaker 1: girls like, you know, ken Hogan sustained this, and Jesse says, well,
Speaker 1: ask Richard Bowser if he can sustain this? And I
Speaker 1: was like, holy shit, Like, isn't that the guy that
Speaker 1: Hogan choked out before WrestleMania won and then he the
Speaker 1: sued him for the twenty million dollar Yeah, Belzer for
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars. I was like, why would you throw
Speaker 1: that out there on commentary?
Speaker 2: Like damn?
Speaker 1: When I when I heard him say that, I was, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's ever picked this up before until
Speaker 1: like right now. It just shocked me to hear that
Speaker 1: they threw out a guy who sued the WWF and
Speaker 1: Hulk Cogan for millions of dollars. Yeah, there's Jesse been like,
Speaker 1: let's just throw in a one line and see if
Speaker 1: anyone notices.
Speaker 4: Well, and that getting back to Jesse as I said
Speaker 4: he was, he was Jesse, and and you know that
Speaker 4: Vince's Backstag's going, oh, I can't believe he said that.
Speaker 4: But Jesse said whatever was on his mind, whatever he
Speaker 4: thought might work or or might create a little you know,
Speaker 4: tension out there, he would do it. And that was yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I do remember thinking like, oh, you tee,
Speaker 4: why would you even say that, because such a oh
Speaker 4: and it's such a you know, touchy subject anyway, But
Speaker 4: that was Jesse, you know, love to love to.
Speaker 3: Stir it up.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Umnlesten, though, do win the Taitoo titles back from Andre
Speaker 1: and Hakku. Andre really can't do much, so Hokkin's in
Speaker 1: the ring, and this sets up the scenario of Bobby
Speaker 1: blaming onto the Giant for the match. Andre slaps Bobby Heenan,
Speaker 1: setting up the Andre is now a babyface, and this
Speaker 1: is the end of Andre the giants entering career, because
Speaker 1: he tries to continue on but it's just not the
Speaker 1: same anymore, and he's out. In a year from now,
Speaker 1: he was on crutches and then in ninety three passes away.
Speaker 1: So in reality, did everyone know this was the end
Speaker 1: of Andre and this was the great moment of let's
Speaker 1: turn on babyface one more time and get him that audience.
Speaker 2: To cheer him.
Speaker 1: Sixty five thousand people cheering for him. Like, is that
Speaker 1: what this moment was all about?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think they were actually thinking it was
Speaker 4: the end, but I think that they felt it was.
Speaker 4: You know, uh, you know, we have this big stage
Speaker 4: and we should celebrate him and get him involved. You know,
Speaker 4: it wasn't something Andrey wanted to go out there and
Speaker 4: just stand at ringside. But you could see for what
Speaker 4: he did do in that match, it was it was
Speaker 4: hard for him. You know that he was just not
Speaker 4: he was really heavy at the time and everything I
Speaker 4: think hurt, especially his back was you could just tell
Speaker 4: by the way he moved. But they did want to
Speaker 4: get him involved, and you could see that meng or
Speaker 4: Haku uh, you know, had to take on the vast
Speaker 4: majority of the load for that that matchup, but you know,
Speaker 4: they still got Andre involved. They'd get him close to
Speaker 4: the ropes and he'd get a shot in there. And
Speaker 4: then of course all at the end of it and
Speaker 4: when it blows up with Bobby andu uh as you know,
Speaker 4: he knocks Bobby around, he's had enough. And you know,
Speaker 4: you watching those and people used to talk about, you know,
Speaker 4: when Andre really had to watch how when he would
Speaker 4: you know, smack people, because really you don't understand the
Speaker 4: you know, the massive strength that he had until he
Speaker 4: would do something as simple as slap you. And you
Speaker 4: could see he didn't want to hurt Bobby. And there's
Speaker 4: a few of them where he made sure he didn't
Speaker 4: really even get close, but there were a couple that
Speaker 4: connected and you could just see that, like you know,
Speaker 4: and Bobby of course sold it tremendously, but you know,
Speaker 4: they they had a lot of they had a great
Speaker 4: affection for each other. Uh you know, Andre really.
Speaker 3: Liked Bobby and uh it, I.
Speaker 4: Think everybody was feeling the same way. There was a
Speaker 4: there was a sadness about it all. We didn't know
Speaker 4: if it was going to be next month, if it
Speaker 4: was going to be six months.
Speaker 3: Or a year.
Speaker 4: But as you said, it was there was the feeling
Speaker 4: that the end was coming, and not necessarily his life,
Speaker 4: but that he couldn't do this anymore. And we've talked
Speaker 4: before too, as you mentioned that he was on those
Speaker 4: metal crutches that and basically, you know, it just was.
Speaker 4: It was almost like he was crawling around and that
Speaker 4: was really hard to watch too, because Andre didn't have
Speaker 4: anything else as far as what his life was really
Speaker 4: focused on. I'm not saying he didn't have another life.
Speaker 4: You know, he had that horse ranch. He used to
Speaker 4: love to go there, but this was his life and
Speaker 4: when it was over, and you know, Vince had a
Speaker 4: it was was very much torn in this in the
Speaker 4: fact that he didn't know, you know, how to do it.
Speaker 4: I think that you know, you've heard about there was
Speaker 4: kind of this riff between Andrea and Vince at the
Speaker 4: end there. But Vince didn't want to see him basically
Speaker 4: humiliated or him you know, people seeing him fail. But
Speaker 4: Andre didn't want to go away either. That's what he
Speaker 4: loved being backstage. He loved playing cards with the guys,
Speaker 4: he loved being around that whole atmosphere.
Speaker 3: But he just physically couldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 4: And so I think it was very hard for Vince
Speaker 4: because he knew he owed a lot to Andrea, especially
Speaker 4: in the early years and and Andre helping put over
Speaker 4: that whole organization. But at the same time, do you
Speaker 4: sit there and let that happen, you know, and I
Speaker 4: don't think Vince wanted to see that happen, and and
Speaker 4: you know what could he say?
Speaker 3: And so I think that he endured.
Speaker 4: That that Andre, you know, being upset with him and
Speaker 4: feeling he'd been betrayed, but knew, I I just can't
Speaker 4: let this happen to even if he doesn't realize it.
Speaker 1: Well, Andre the Giant is the first person ever inducted
Speaker 1: into the WWF Hall of Fame, So even if there
Speaker 1: was a rift at the end, unfortunately Andre didn't know
Speaker 1: that he was going to be the first name inducted
Speaker 1: into this Hall of Fame that now has carried the
Speaker 1: weight of so many different names and over the years
Speaker 1: people either love the Hall of Fame or hate the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. But when it was initially created, it
Speaker 1: put in the right person first, and that was Andre
Speaker 1: the Giant. And he did leave for WCW towards the
Speaker 1: end of his life, and that created it.
Speaker 2: Even a bigger rift, and that was the end. You know,
Speaker 2: it passes away.
Speaker 1: And we talked about on our Demolition podcast though about
Speaker 1: how Demolition being given the nod to work with Andre,
Speaker 1: because think about the people who did before, Macho Man,
Speaker 1: Ultimate Warrior, Jake the sneak Hulk Coogan. You don't really
Speaker 1: hear many other people getting to work with Andre, especially
Speaker 1: around this time, and Demolition got the opportunity to do it.
Speaker 1: So I think it's pretty awesome to see that Demolition
Speaker 1: was such a popular tag team. They're like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: Andre can work with him. And I know Andre was
Speaker 1: friends with them as well, So it was just a
Speaker 1: nice cap off.
Speaker 2: At the end of having.
Speaker 1: Andre in the little ring, he's waving to the audience.
Speaker 1: The audience's crazy form, sixty five thousand people cheering form.
Speaker 1: It was a great sendoff for Wrestmania six for him. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: what happened at the end is you know, life happens.
Speaker 1: But Hercules versus Earthquake is up next. Both men are
Speaker 1: sort of undefeated around this time, and Earthquake has a
Speaker 1: record of beating thirty men in a row, and now
Speaker 1: he just defeats Hercules.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: Now, Hercules, I have a question for you about Hercules,
Speaker 1: because he always confused me because sometimes he pretends he's Hercules,
Speaker 1: He's you know, lives living on a Mount Olympus. Other
Speaker 1: times he pretends he's Hercules Hernandez his heritage. I'm so
Speaker 1: confused sometimes on who is Hercules?
Speaker 2: Is he the iss Zeus is dead?
Speaker 1: Is he just a wrestler earl's named Hercules with the chains?
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts in Hercules?
Speaker 4: Well, I think and to me he was always Hercules
Speaker 4: the god.
Speaker 3: They yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Of course they went back to when it came down
Speaker 4: to it, when it came got down to, you know,
Speaker 4: being down and dirty, he became Hercules Hernandez bunny when
Speaker 4: it came out to that ring though, with the chains
Speaker 4: and everything like that, and overall, yeah, he was supposed
Speaker 4: to be the Greek god and uh, you know, argue
Speaker 4: one way or the other if he filled that role,
Speaker 4: But it was a good gimmick for him, and you
Speaker 4: know he was He was quite the strong man in
Speaker 4: real life.
Speaker 3: There was no question about that.
Speaker 4: So you know, the gimmick fit him. But I think
Speaker 4: when it came down to it, he was most comfortable
Speaker 4: as Hercules Hernandez and just mixing it up in the ring.
Speaker 1: All right, because sometimes he'd be like, I live on
Speaker 1: mont Olympuss.
Speaker 4: You get back to your gimmick, Ray come out.
Speaker 1: I don't know, are you in power and glory now?
Speaker 1: So when you're in powering glory, are you still Zeus.
Speaker 1: I never understood sometimes where it was dropped and brought
Speaker 1: up again, but that's just me nitpicking, I guess. But
Speaker 1: earthquake defeats Hercules here, which again in the next paper
Speaker 1: view SummerSlam nineteen ninety would be Earthquake against Hulk Cogan,
Speaker 1: and so it's really nice to see that ear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're putting him over, no question about it. And
Speaker 4: you know, Hercules is a great guy to put in
Speaker 4: the ring against him for, you know, to make it happen.
Speaker 4: And this is that whole thing that he's an unstoppable
Speaker 4: force that you know, when earthquake's in there and he
Speaker 4: squashes you, it's over.
Speaker 2: It is over.
Speaker 1: And I'm surprised because he used to be the Canadian earthquake,
Speaker 1: so this audience would have been like, yeah.
Speaker 2: We're in Canada earthquake.
Speaker 1: There is some questionable things about patriotism in this because
Speaker 1: it's the most celebrities for a minute.
Speaker 2: So we don't have America the Beautiful.
Speaker 1: We have Robert Goulay starting off Restmania six singing.
Speaker 2: Oh so we get that well.
Speaker 1: We also have Steve Allen, we have Mary Tyler Moore here,
Speaker 1: we have Rona Barrett, so we have all these celebrities,
Speaker 1: and let's go through them for a little bit, because
Speaker 1: some people who are listening to this may be like, who. So, uh,
Speaker 1: Mary Tellimore, you were in the audience asking fans about
Speaker 1: Rhythmon Blues about to sing their new song Honka Honk
Speaker 1: hunkle Love three honkers. You've been pointing us out to
Speaker 1: us a couple of times.
Speaker 2: And you give you this one kid, and you're like, so, kid,
Speaker 2: how you doing you?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: I don't like it? Like do you know those nameless songs?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: They stink? All right?
Speaker 1: You move on to another person behind Mary Telling Moore,
Speaker 1: and you interview her, and I'm gonna tell you she
Speaker 1: was sitting in front row, but she also looked like
Speaker 1: a deer in headlights. Now for you, you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be interviewing her about WrestleMania, about Rhythmon Blues, about all
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 2: But are some celebrities just clueless and they're just here
Speaker 2: for a paycheck?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I uh, well, it's funny you mentioned that because, uh,
Speaker 4: Mary Tyler Moore, you know I grew up watching her shows.
Speaker 4: I mean I with the you know, Dick Van Dyke
Speaker 4: that show, and then also the Mary Tyler Moore show,
Speaker 4: the one that she had where and and so, you know,
Speaker 4: I was thrilled to even meet her, but there was
Speaker 4: no chance to get together before and say, Okay, this
Speaker 4: is what I want to do, this is what we're
Speaker 4: gonna do.
Speaker 3: Like her people, it.
Speaker 4: Just wasn't gonna happen. And I think she was there
Speaker 4: with her husband at the time. I don't know if
Speaker 4: they stayed married, I don't know, but he was with her,
Speaker 4: and it was just kind of like, Okay, you know,
Speaker 4: we had the spotters in there and the camera they
Speaker 4: so you're gonna go over there and I'm working, you know,
Speaker 4: like you said, I talked to a kid, So that
Speaker 4: was kind of planted to go. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: start here and they're gonna go there and gonna get
Speaker 4: to marry. Oh it's Mary Tyler Moore. Hey. And seriously,
Speaker 4: I wondered, have you ever seen anything that we've done?
Speaker 4: You know, and why why did you come? I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe her husband was a big wrestling fan. I
Speaker 4: don't know, but as he said everything I said, so
Speaker 4: you know, what do you think about that? Yeah? They
Speaker 4: are great, cause it was you know, I don't know
Speaker 4: if any of her answers were more than five seconds long,
Speaker 4: and I'm still trying to push it. And then I
Speaker 4: just remember, you know, Kerwin in my ear like okay,
Speaker 4: wrap it, get out of there, like she's not gonna
Speaker 4: work with us here. I did everything I can, but
Speaker 4: it was still it was it was cool to interview
Speaker 4: Mary Tyler Moore because you know, I just remember watching
Speaker 4: her as a kid.
Speaker 3: So but that was certainly an interesting encounter.
Speaker 4: But that goes to show when they just have I
Speaker 4: wish that I would have gotten a chance to just
Speaker 4: doing a side with her and say, look, Mary, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna ask you about this, and she said, I don't
Speaker 4: know who he is, and I'll say, well, I would
Speaker 4: have given her some some points, you know, or something.
Speaker 3: To say to help.
Speaker 4: But it is she just looked like and even like
Speaker 4: you said, deer in headlights, because the eyes were even
Speaker 4: kind of like, oh, well.
Speaker 2: It's great to be here, is it?
Speaker 3: Though? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: But I wanted to let's talk about Robert Gulay because
Speaker 4: Robert Gulays an interesting story too. Now, him singing the
Speaker 4: Canadian national anthem is not a big stretch because he
Speaker 4: wasn't a Canadian, but was you know, had lived in
Speaker 4: Canada for a long time and had I think his
Speaker 4: parents were French Canadian, so he had that connection anyway.
Speaker 4: But what's interesting here now, I don't know if people remember,
Speaker 4: but in nineteen sixty five, Robert Gulay sang the national
Speaker 4: anthem for the Muhammad Ali Sonny Listen fight, and he
Speaker 4: booted the lyrics and you know, like I said, he
Speaker 4: was more Canadian than he was American, and he didn't
Speaker 4: get the lyrics down. He claimed that, you know, he
Speaker 4: he was tired, he didn't have a chance to learn
Speaker 4: the lyric excellent, how does a ha? And he booted him.
Speaker 4: So I think it was like this stigma with him
Speaker 4: to ever sing. I don't think he'd sung it sung
Speaker 4: anthems at places ever since then. And so when they
Speaker 4: contacted his people and he didn't want to do whatever,
Speaker 4: and they see and I think what it came down
Speaker 4: to it is because he didn't want to have another
Speaker 4: experience like that. Well what they told him was, look,
Speaker 4: we've got these screens up all over the arena and
Speaker 4: we're going to put the words up basically, have a
Speaker 4: teleprompter up there. And I would have you know, I
Speaker 4: think he probably knew the Canadian national anthem, but if
Speaker 4: anything glitched, they were going to be right there. The
Speaker 4: words are going to be right there. So he agrees
Speaker 4: to do it and freaking nails it. And I remember
Speaker 4: seeing him backstage. He was freaking ecstatic because I think
Speaker 4: it was one of those things with him, you know,
Speaker 4: that had you know, if you if you've ever had
Speaker 4: something that you totally screwed up and then you get
Speaker 4: another shot at it and then you fix it, and
Speaker 4: then you go, Okay, now I can finally put this
Speaker 4: frickin thing out of my brain. And I think that's
Speaker 4: what it was for him. And then to have that,
Speaker 4: you know, be in front of that audience, and I'm
Speaker 4: telling you, man, that guy was just beaming.
Speaker 3: He was so happy.
Speaker 4: And that's what I remember thinking that, you know, because
Speaker 4: we'd all had a dog like that, you know, and
Speaker 4: I finally get to let that one go.
Speaker 3: So that was my Robert Gulay memory. Steve Allen.
Speaker 4: Now was another great moment, if you if everyone remembered
Speaker 4: that Steve Allen is in the locker room in the
Speaker 4: shower for the acoustic They got a whole grand piano
Speaker 4: in there, and they got Nikolai and Boris in the
Speaker 4: shower and he's going to sing the Russian national anthem.
Speaker 4: And of course Steve Allen if anybody remembers who he was,
Speaker 4: he was a very famous talk show host and comedian
Speaker 4: and was kind of the first Johnny Carson. And I
Speaker 4: don't know, you know, you think about some of these
Speaker 4: people together are just so random, like Allen, where has
Speaker 4: he been? But he does this bit with him and
Speaker 4: I'll tell you right now, Nick Lai and Boris had
Speaker 4: they didn't have a freaking who. They don't know who
Speaker 4: Steve Allen is, and they're just rolling with it. And
Speaker 4: I just thought that was the funniest thing. I remember
Speaker 4: looking at it again and I still think it's hilarious
Speaker 4: because he's, you know, he's totally goofing on them and
Speaker 4: they don't they don't know what's going on. And I
Speaker 4: also remember my other member of Steve Allen is that
Speaker 4: the makeup styleist person that the w W he had, Jill,
Speaker 4: and I can't remember her last name, but she was
Speaker 4: she worked at Hamilton and they brought her to, you know,
Speaker 4: the for the event to do hair and makeup for people.
Speaker 4: And I remember her telling me that Steve Allen's people
Speaker 4: had sent her basically this binder that was pages long
Speaker 4: on how to put his two pey on. Just now,
Speaker 4: that's a fun fact that I don't know, but I
Speaker 4: just remember telling me and looking at this thing of
Speaker 4: you know, you put the glue here and then it's set,
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, if I got a hair piece, man,
Speaker 4: I'm the one putting that thing on. Yes, But but
Speaker 4: they had a whole thing of how his makeup and
Speaker 4: how his hair piece went on for this That still,
Speaker 4: to me though, was one of the greatest WrestleMania moments.
Speaker 4: Is Steve Allen in the shower with Nicola Ion.
Speaker 1: Boris was about to sing too, and finally he's joking
Speaker 1: with him the whole time that I know, when someone
Speaker 1: flushes the toilet, right and then.
Speaker 2: Screaming about someone.
Speaker 4: And you know, Vince loved that, he'd love that toilet humor.
Speaker 4: And it did. It worked, it was and I and
Speaker 4: I think they did that like in one take. You know,
Speaker 4: Steve Allen was very good, and of course Boris and
Speaker 4: nicol I didn't have to do a whole hell of
Speaker 4: a lot except you know, react, But uh yeah, classic
Speaker 4: classic wrestle Moonia WrestleMania moments, and I think Steve Allen
Speaker 4: he's in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I think, oh, I don't know, maybe possibly, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a few he should be.
Speaker 2: If he's not, there's a few people. Let's get that
Speaker 2: going now, you know.
Speaker 4: But it was an interesting that a whole collection of
Speaker 4: celebrities you think about it over the years, Uh, you
Speaker 4: know just how random. I mean we had Liberachi and
Speaker 4: uh you Bob Buker and yeah, but hey.
Speaker 2: Mary Hart I think was there. You had Iral.
Speaker 4: Ones, Oh yeah, and Roda Barrett was at this. We
Speaker 4: were talking before and you had no idea who Rota
Speaker 4: Bartt was. Well, because I'm old, I remember that she
Speaker 4: was one of the original uh you know, the gossip
Speaker 4: columnists who actually made the transition to television. And she
Speaker 4: would she was kind of before Entertainment Tonight and she
Speaker 4: would go on and you know, this celebrity gossip. So
Speaker 4: that's why she ended up. She was there to interview Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, she puts over Liz Hard where she's like,
Speaker 1: I've interviewed celebrities and musicians, but you, you know, you
Speaker 1: are the You're the greatest one interviewed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Marilyn Monroe, not close, Miss.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, Miss Elizabeth. Yeah, it's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: They did bring Steve Allen on commentary during one match
Speaker 1: and he flaught to acknowledge that this is the greatest thing
Speaker 1: he's ever seen in his life, and yeah, he's probably
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: I'm up here in the rafter who Jesse.
Speaker 4: He should have been sitting next to Mary Tyler Moore.
Speaker 3: They could have both been.
Speaker 2: Clueless to the great show I'm having.
Speaker 4: He did and he appreciated entertainment. So I'm sure that
Speaker 4: that was genuine from Steve Allen and he was classic.
Speaker 4: I mean that was that was phenomenal to have somebody
Speaker 4: like that who was really an icon in television hea'ts
Speaker 4: you know, was one of the originals and started and
Speaker 4: helped shape that whole concept of talk of night talk shows.
Speaker 1: Wow again, people don't give you know, in today's world
Speaker 1: where you have certain talk shows ending or being not
Speaker 1: once they used to because before you'd have a celebrity
Speaker 1: get interviewed by Steve Allen, for instance, Well, the only
Speaker 1: way to know what that celebrity was doing was to
Speaker 1: watch these interviews or read a magazine article Now I
Speaker 1: can go on social media and figure out what John
Speaker 1: Cena ate for breakfast today instead of watching him on
Speaker 1: a late night talk show, because I don't need to
Speaker 1: wait untill eleven thirty to watch him. I can figure
Speaker 1: out what's happening in his life instantly with social media,
Speaker 1: with online So it's changed. But yeah, that's a weird
Speaker 1: crop of celebrities because you said, over the years, you've
Speaker 1: had people who are very topical.
Speaker 2: They've had people who are very bring the youth movement.
Speaker 1: In this group of people, I'm not sure what celebrities.
Speaker 2: The combo of it was like, take a dart, throw
Speaker 2: the wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some celebrities and see what we can bring in.
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with them, but it was a little strange.
Speaker 1: Moving on, though, Perfect to Govern ms Bubber Beefcake. We
Speaker 1: did Mister Perfect podcast. We talked about his career, and
Speaker 1: I flat out suggested that Beefcake defeated Perfect Tear because
Speaker 1: of Hult Cogland's political influence. Maybe I have no facts,
Speaker 1: These are just opinions and conspiracy theories with my tinfoil
Speaker 1: hat on. But yet it is a good match. But
Speaker 1: what happens at the end is a genius gets knocked out,
Speaker 1: he gets put in the sleeper hold. Who the genius is,
Speaker 1: mister a perfect manager. Well, he's supposed to be knocked out,
Speaker 1: so he can't just get up and walk away with
Speaker 1: things that going the way he doesn't want them to.
Speaker 1: Beefcakes gots shaving off the Genius's hair. Well, if you
Speaker 1: don't know, the Genius, Lenny Pofo is the brother of
Speaker 1: the macho man Rainey Savage, according to the rumors. After
Speaker 1: this happens, Macha Mango is backstage to confront Bruce Piefcake
Speaker 1: about pretty much doing whatever he wanted to do to
Speaker 1: his brother in front of sixty five thousand people because
Speaker 1: his brother was selling that he got put out with
Speaker 1: a sleeper hole.
Speaker 2: Did you hear anything about this?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it was just everything about that match
Speaker 4: to me was kind of stre change and and forced
Speaker 4: in a sense, and uh, it wasn't it wasn't a
Speaker 4: bad match. You know, Brutus, Brutus could go. He of
Speaker 4: course had that connection to the Holkster and that never
Speaker 4: that idea and basically you say, nepotism and a sense
Speaker 4: that gave him a loud of opportunities. But you know, uh,
Speaker 4: you know Brutus was was h was good in his
Speaker 4: own right, It's just that that stigma stayed with him.
Speaker 4: But overall, I mean it was it was a good match.
Speaker 4: But as we mentioned before, you know, what was the
Speaker 4: Genius doing with mister Perfect? I still like what It
Speaker 4: just doesn't make any sense. Kurt didn't need anybody with
Speaker 4: him at all, and so was it a sense just
Speaker 4: to keep Lanny working? And uh, you know part of
Speaker 4: the mix there maybe, but you could see at the
Speaker 4: end of that thing, and I'm sure Kurt made it
Speaker 4: very clear up front, I'll do this, but that that
Speaker 4: guy is not cutting my hair. It's just not happening.
Speaker 4: So uh, as you see what takes place is you know,
Speaker 4: Kurt gets knocked out, basically hits the the ring post
Speaker 4: and gets knocked out.
Speaker 3: Brutus gets the cover.
Speaker 4: And then he's gonna cut mister Perfect's hair. Uh. In
Speaker 4: the meantime, like the Genius goes over and steals the shears,
Speaker 4: and it gives mister Perfect the opportunity to get the
Speaker 4: scoot out of the ring. And when he chases down Lanny,
Speaker 4: uh uh oh, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: I thought it was funny though when he gets him
Speaker 4: back in the ring, he's gonna start cutting his hair.
Speaker 4: He's already got a really bad haircut. Anyway, if you
Speaker 4: did you look at that at.
Speaker 1: The Royal Rumboldt Beef Carty did this to Genius a
Speaker 1: little bit so.
Speaker 4: But to me, it was just shenanigans. That's what I
Speaker 4: used used to say, you know, just what what shenanigans
Speaker 4: are we gonna do here? And that's what that was
Speaker 4: at the end of it. And I don't know, I
Speaker 4: don't want to say it soiled the match, but it
Speaker 4: just was shenanigans as far as I was concerned. Remember
Speaker 4: that word, their sonigans. That's what they're doing in there
Speaker 4: at the end of it. You got a good match
Speaker 4: and then you do your shenanigans. I don't like it
Speaker 4: one bit.
Speaker 1: I didn't think you could get impressions and accents today
Speaker 1: on russelling is six.
Speaker 2: But here we are in Canada. Where's your Canadian?
Speaker 4: Never know what you're gonna get from Mooney.
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. Uh, it's just funny though.
Speaker 1: Over the years you've heard Savage always protecting his brother,
Speaker 1: even in WCW where Lenny Poffo never had one match,
Speaker 1: but over lawsuits, contracts came out and it was revealed
Speaker 1: that Lenny Papa was getting over one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a year in WW for two years.
Speaker 2: He didn't wrestle one match.
Speaker 1: Eric Eric Bischoff, though, has clarified that Macho Man when
Speaker 1: he Savage was such a good brother, he took the
Speaker 1: money out of his own contract and gave it to Lenny. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't even know how it is on a lawyer speak,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's even possible, but somehow erk Bershov
Speaker 1: says so. In reality, I don't know, but if Beefcake
Speaker 1: took advantage of the genius and in backstage match him
Speaker 1: in and is in Beefcake's face about this, it's like, well, buddy,
Speaker 1: your guy's a crony. Like you're talking about a totem pole.
Speaker 1: He's on the bottom. Like getting his head shaved is
Speaker 1: one thing. He's someone else can get their head shaved too,
Speaker 1: Like calm yourself, mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And you know, look, come on, let's uh, let's
Speaker 4: give credit here or just understanding that Lenny was Randy's
Speaker 4: brother and they came up together through the family and
Speaker 4: his you know, their father had a little territory and
Speaker 4: they were close. Uh so, yeah, I appreciated the fact
Speaker 4: that he wanted to take care of his brother. And
Speaker 4: I felt like in a lot of instances, you know,
Speaker 4: these guys work their ass off and they do deliver
Speaker 4: and bring a lot of money into the company, and
Speaker 4: if you can help take care of somebody else that's
Speaker 4: with you along for that ride, why not. And it
Speaker 4: wasn't as though, you know, Lanny wasn't uh you know,
Speaker 4: worthless or something like that. I mean, he could do
Speaker 4: a lot of things in the ring, and so yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't really have a problem with it. And if
Speaker 4: they go down WCW and and where everybody was getting
Speaker 4: that cash grab, sure, then good good for Lanny. I'm
Speaker 4: glad that that happened.
Speaker 2: That's a good point too.
Speaker 1: Before this matchup, though, you did get to interview Bruce
Speaker 1: A Barbara Beefcake backstage and you're holding the You're holding
Speaker 1: a piece of paper and Beefcake's like it has these
Speaker 1: giant hedge clippers and he's he's sitting there talking about
Speaker 1: mister perfect, how he has this perfect record. I've been
Speaker 1: looking at his record, Mooney, and he's got a perfect record.
Speaker 2: But tonight and he's cutting it. Your hand is I
Speaker 2: know right there? I just giant. He seems like, sir, sir,
Speaker 2: I like my fingers.
Speaker 4: I could have those things were you know, he had
Speaker 4: those things sharp. Really wanted to be able to cut
Speaker 4: the paper that would have taken if you click.
Speaker 2: Gotta look at him like, dude, due my mullet, don't
Speaker 2: cut And I.
Speaker 3: Don't think and I don't remember, tell me I'm going
Speaker 3: to do that.
Speaker 4: I don't. Maybe maybe I'm sure maybe he did it
Speaker 4: because uh, you know, I I if you see, I've
Speaker 4: got like the paper, I'm holding it as about as
Speaker 4: far into the thing of like before it falls out
Speaker 4: of my hand. But yeah, yeah, that was uh uh
Speaker 4: you know, an uncomfortable moment. I guess you could say, yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't want to lose. I wanted to keep my digits.
Speaker 2: He still got him, so good for you.
Speaker 1: Next up, we talked about a whole hour about this event,
Speaker 1: and this topic has ruined my YouTube channel for a
Speaker 1: little bit, and so we'll just say.
Speaker 2: Ronie Piper's back, let's not talk about it.
Speaker 1: Missing from the broad cast on the ww vault YouTube
Speaker 1: channelist is where I watched this the other day, because
Speaker 1: you know, Peacock.
Speaker 2: It's everywhere.
Speaker 1: But the controversy around this is the you know, the
Speaker 1: black face paint.
Speaker 2: And the funny rib though, is how.
Speaker 1: After this, where Piper is going backstage, you get the
Speaker 1: solution to get the paint off because he didn't want
Speaker 1: it to come off while he was sweating in the ring. Well,
Speaker 1: Andre and Arnold Scroland remove the solution, put water in there,
Speaker 1: so it does not work.
Speaker 2: So Piper has to go around with.
Speaker 1: This makeup on his body for at least a few weeks.
Speaker 1: And we did a whole podcast about it and almost
Speaker 1: got canceled for it. So we're going to move on,
Speaker 1: Move on, move on. If you want to hear about that,
Speaker 1: it's up there and enjoyed that.
Speaker 4: It needs to get paid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta get paid YouTube. Someone complains. Fun fact
Speaker 1: behind the curtain, folks, someone complained about this, and that's
Speaker 1: why we got demonetize on YouTube for a little bit.
Speaker 4: So moving on, moving on to st But it just
Speaker 4: shows you how even to this day, it's a very
Speaker 4: sensitive subject.
Speaker 1: Yes, agreed, I you know I next when I was
Speaker 1: looking for controversy.
Speaker 2: I found it and it found me. So that's what. Okay,
Speaker 2: that was my fault. That's my fault.
Speaker 1: A Heart Foundation take on the Bolsheviks and their Steve
Speaker 1: Allen segment lasted longer than their actual match. I think
Speaker 1: you're right eighteen seconds this match last.
Speaker 3: Ye, well it did last longer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nadian heroes.
Speaker 1: Brett Hart is here, and it's just funny because years
Speaker 1: ago one where Brett would come out with the Canadian
Speaker 1: flag and be so pro Canadian. Here it's like they
Speaker 1: just it's not really a thing. They're not really leaning into.
Speaker 1: Hey he's from Canada, yet, why not promote that he's
Speaker 1: from Canada, like really like your hometown heroes.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's a very interesting point. You would have
Speaker 4: thought they would have sold that thing, you would have
Speaker 4: come out there, but yeah, it was like sole focus
Speaker 4: on Heart Foundation and what they're doing now. It's interesting though,
Speaker 4: because you know, you talk about the territories there and
Speaker 4: a lot of people there like separate countries from where
Speaker 4: where you're from, and some of them, you know, are
Speaker 4: heavily like Montreal like that French Canadian, and you know
Speaker 4: other places are different. So I don't know what they're
Speaker 4: thinking was but yeah, that was kind of surprising to
Speaker 4: me too. But it was like we saw. This was
Speaker 4: like a very quick whole segment for the show. You know,
Speaker 4: the boom, it's over.
Speaker 1: So and her Foundation haven't had the tag team title
Speaker 1: since October of nineteen eighty seven, and they will regain
Speaker 1: it at Summer Slam nineteen ninety defeating the Heel Demolition
Speaker 1: with Crush along their side and the introduction of Legion
Speaker 1: to Doom.
Speaker 2: So I think this is really just like, all right,
Speaker 2: let's get them out there. It's WrestleMania. We got to
Speaker 2: put everybody on this card.
Speaker 1: So you're here beat them in eighteen seconds because I'm
Speaker 1: nothing against Nikolai in the Bolsheviks.
Speaker 2: But did you want to see the match go longer
Speaker 2: than eighteen seconds?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was fine.
Speaker 1: I was yeah, I was fine with just moving past that.
Speaker 4: There much more entertaining in the shower.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, I agree.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: We talked about earlier how Rick de Martin Martell did
Speaker 1: not fight Tito Santana at this event strike for us
Speaker 1: because we thought each man should level up and have
Speaker 1: a win. Well, the model wins is match. The next
Speaker 1: step is Tito Santana resus the Barbarian. Barbarian beats Tito
Speaker 1: Santana with the top rope clothesline, which I think is
Speaker 1: always perfect because that's really something you didn't see in
Speaker 1: the early nineties or in the eighties. Why this random
Speaker 1: up and down with Tito, Because I always thought Tito
Speaker 1: was so popular, but yet maybe he was so popular
Speaker 1: it didn't matter for you if he won or lost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I love Tito, you know that. But he
Speaker 4: was just one of those guys that you could never
Speaker 4: get past mid card. You know, he just it's try
Speaker 4: and they did. They did big pushes, they tried with
Speaker 4: you know, the Matador and everything like that. Uh, but
Speaker 4: people loved them, they did, you know. I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't think you could find anybody in an arena and say,
Speaker 4: you know, what do you think of Tito Santana's say
Speaker 4: I hate that ger. I think he's not you know,
Speaker 4: everybody loved them. It's just that they they only loved
Speaker 4: him so much, you know, like it wasn't where they
Speaker 4: wanted to see him, uh, you know, at the top
Speaker 4: for some reason. You know, as as we've talked about
Speaker 4: many other superstars that just don't they just don't have
Speaker 4: that it thing. And uh so what you do is,
Speaker 4: you know you love them because they're such great workers.
Speaker 3: They're so devoted to what they do.
Speaker 4: They're very entertaining, they're popular, and so they can help.
Speaker 3: Us put other guys over.
Speaker 4: Point and uh yeah, and and barb was another, you know,
Speaker 4: uh a guy at the time like he you know,
Speaker 4: he like you said, come off top rope doing a
Speaker 4: He could do a lot of things in there and
Speaker 4: just you know, one of those nasty performers. But he
Speaker 4: always had he had to have somebody else with him. Man.
Speaker 4: That's why Bobby was, you know, his manager and everything
Speaker 4: like that. And so there's only so much you can
Speaker 4: do with the guy like that. But you know, this
Speaker 4: day they he was the one that went over Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then you know, earlier in this year of nineteen ninety,
Speaker 1: Missafuji was the manager of the Warlord and the Barbarian
Speaker 1: the Powers of Pain. While he sells those contracts individuals.
Speaker 1: The Warlord goes with Slick, Barbarian goes with Bobby Heenan. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't really ever see a problem with Powers of Pain,
Speaker 1: Like why was it Legion and Dooma is coming in?
Speaker 1: So should break up the team that sort of looks
Speaker 1: the most like them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, I mean because remember at the time,
Speaker 4: there was plenty of room for tag teams and whether
Speaker 4: or not they you know, gain big pushes or not,
Speaker 4: but they were they were, you know, funkal tools in
Speaker 4: the and the whole tag team operation that was going
Speaker 4: on at the time. I just think that they felt
Speaker 4: it wasn't really it wasn't getting over uh, you know,
Speaker 4: so let's let's split him up and see if they
Speaker 4: can do something in singles competition. And one of the
Speaker 4: things with you know, like having Barbarian with with mister Fuji,
Speaker 4: you know, uh wasn't a great combination.
Speaker 3: And mister Fuji could do what he did, but he still.
Speaker 4: Wasn't as far as an orator, uh as you know
Speaker 4: with interviews, he just could only do so much. And
Speaker 4: Bobby was beyond that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Bobby could uh go on and on and put people
Speaker 4: over and and so that was a as far as
Speaker 4: giving him the best tools he could possibly have to succeed,
Speaker 4: putting him with Bobby was was the best option. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm next though, year backstage with Dusty Rhodes and
Speaker 1: Sweet sap Fi and interviewing them about about the next
Speaker 1: coming matchup. Now, what was it like? We did a
Speaker 1: whole podcast about Dusty Rose coming into the WWF. But
Speaker 1: backstage for Dusty Rhodes, what's his prep time? What's is
Speaker 1: he coming in blind?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: How long does this take to get through?
Speaker 1: Because he seems so comfortable in what he's doing because
Speaker 1: he's talking about the crown, jewels.
Speaker 2: Macho king, you know, you can't be a king.
Speaker 1: You have a crown, but you're not without royalty, without jewels,
Speaker 1: you're not a real king.
Speaker 2: What was it like working with Dusty Rose?
Speaker 1: Because everyone in today's world always admires him.
Speaker 4: Well, as I said, you know, talk about orators. Dusty
Speaker 4: was was a master and you know his promos were fantastic.
Speaker 4: Put him in any situation here, he was in there
Speaker 4: in the polka dots, making it work, putting it over.
Speaker 4: So whatever the situation, he's gonna go against the macho King.
Speaker 4: And we have this odd tag team match up with
Speaker 4: with Sapphire actually getting into the ring too against sensational Sherry,
Speaker 4: which I which which was really weird for me to
Speaker 4: see Sherry kind of in uh, you know, wrestling gear
Speaker 4: and where and wrestling boots because you know, you've gotten
Speaker 4: so used to her being in the fish net and
Speaker 4: the the big spikes and boys, she could work in
Speaker 4: those things and imagine what you know, getting into the
Speaker 4: ring and working in shoes like that. Uh, just shows
Speaker 4: you the talent that she had. But this was this
Speaker 4: is another This is a real gimmick match to me.
Speaker 2: So it's the first ever mixed tag match at WrestleMania.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and boy it was. It was an interesting
Speaker 4: mix for sure. And you know, Sapphire, I didn't have
Speaker 4: a clue what she did. I think she'd done some
Speaker 4: you know, and in some of these low level shows
Speaker 4: or something. She was a huge mostly just a huge fan.
Speaker 4: So but you know, Cherry helped her out. And that
Speaker 4: was one thing that was was awesome about Sensational Sherry
Speaker 4: is that she was all about the business. And if
Speaker 4: you put her in a situation, whether or not she
Speaker 4: liked it or felt that this was what she wanted
Speaker 4: to do, whatever she she knew she was, that was
Speaker 4: her job. And uh, you see in that match, she
Speaker 4: did everything she could to help Sapphire in this and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, for what it's worth, it it was, you know,
Speaker 4: as good as it could be.
Speaker 3: I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 4: But and certainly had to be the biggest moment of
Speaker 4: Sapphire's life. Well, yeah, being a part of that.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine she was a fan and then you
Speaker 1: came in and got brought in I think Dusty Dusty
Speaker 1: Roads like one of the grass of all time, and.
Speaker 4: Now which was one of her favorites of all I mean,
Speaker 4: I think she, you know, loved Dusty, So the.
Speaker 3: Opportunity, the chance, she got the opportunity to work with him.
Speaker 4: And then you're in the ring too with Randy Savage
Speaker 4: and and sensational Sherry. Yeah, talk about achievement. Are no kidding?
Speaker 1: Like you're not just in the match on Superstar as
Speaker 1: a wrestling challenge, you are in this. So you said
Speaker 1: Sherry was comfortable working with Sapphire because I know, as
Speaker 1: you would see those years ago on, like, Sherry is
Speaker 1: very protective of her role because she's one of She'd
Speaker 1: always say like, oh, you're just a girl, Like, no,
Speaker 1: she's one of like the guys. People would say, like,
Speaker 1: she's don't mess with Sherry. So how do you think
Speaker 1: she was comfortable working with someone who wasn't actually a
Speaker 1: trained wrestler.
Speaker 4: Well, I think, well, certainly there was no threat that
Speaker 4: stephar would show her up somehow, but she was a
Speaker 4: true professional and and Sherry could work with anyone, you know,
Speaker 4: she when she was in that ring or ringside, didn't
Speaker 4: matter who it was she was. You know, she could
Speaker 4: work with anybody and take bumps and deliver bumps, you know,
Speaker 4: right back in the mix. And I mentioned before that
Speaker 4: you know she was in there with a man or
Speaker 4: something doing and he was supposed to close liner and
Speaker 4: he took it easy. Oh my god, pray for his
Speaker 4: soul because she would be you know, in his face
Speaker 4: and telling him you deliver, that you do it, and
Speaker 4: otherwise she would deliver her own receipt. So she gave
Speaker 4: as good as she got, and she's she helped cross
Speaker 4: that line for a lot of women. As I've said
Speaker 4: before that you know the women in professional wrestling. Oh
Speaker 4: that woman a lot for being able to make it
Speaker 4: very clear that there were and there weren't many that
Speaker 4: could do it, but there were were women who could
Speaker 4: go toe to toe with the best of the best
Speaker 4: out there and take it all and really be able
Speaker 4: to work.
Speaker 3: So this was just another example.
Speaker 4: I can't even imagine, like she's thinking, you know, what
Speaker 4: am I going to do with this person? You know,
Speaker 4: how much going to work with her? But you know
Speaker 4: they worked it out.
Speaker 1: And then Miss Elizabeth shows up as the Crown Jewels
Speaker 1: with Dustin Rhodes and Sapphire to really set off Macho King.
Speaker 1: And so now you have three women in one match
Speaker 1: in reality, which is not really a thing you see
Speaker 1: in the early eighties and early nineties of multiple women show.
Speaker 1: Is powerful Liz super powerful, saptphire, you have your thoughts
Speaker 1: on her? So Elizabeth coming back? She's been gone for
Speaker 1: a year since the Mega Powers exploded. Now with that
Speaker 1: interview earlier, arrestmine, earlier in This Night where they're asking where.
Speaker 2: Have you been? Why don't you hear what's going on?
Speaker 1: Why not just as a fly on my hat, not
Speaker 1: just as a performer. Why do you think she wasn't
Speaker 1: on television because easily she could have been inserted to
Speaker 1: other things without Macho Mitten. But is it more like
Speaker 1: Machi Man just wanted her to be home or is
Speaker 1: it more to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there was a lot Like you said, Uh,
Speaker 4: I think she just had gotten tired of the road.
Speaker 4: I mean I remember there were you know, rumors of it.
Speaker 4: Maybe she's gonna, you know, having a child, or she was,
Speaker 4: you know, pregnant, or something like that. But I think
Speaker 4: that it was just, you know, after a long stretch,
Speaker 4: you know, they'd been you know, at it for a
Speaker 4: long time, and that that life is really tough, and
Speaker 4: I think she just needed a break. There may have
Speaker 4: been cracks in that relationship going on, so I just
Speaker 4: think there was a lot happening. But that's I think
Speaker 4: that's really what it just came down to us. She
Speaker 4: just needed to, you know, get off the road and
Speaker 4: just chill and just be able to you know, have
Speaker 4: some kind of a life, a normal life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the eighth match.
Speaker 4: Though, but as you could see, she couldn't stay away though,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I don't think that that was
Speaker 4: something that somebody shoved her in front of the truck
Speaker 4: there to go back at it. I think that after
Speaker 4: a while, okay, she was ready to do something again.
Speaker 1: What's crazy, though, is in the w WF though, she
Speaker 1: like disappears and then she hasn't come back and till
Speaker 1: resting to seven to reunite with Macha Man. Then she
Speaker 1: returns back in early ninety two to set up other names.
Speaker 1: Get pictures of her at WRESTLINGI eight when she joins
Speaker 1: abc W in ninety five. She's on Nitro every week
Speaker 1: with Rick Flayer and the Macho Man. I just wonder
Speaker 1: why that she was removed from WWF television, but yet
Speaker 1: incw it was like, she's here every week on Nitro,
Speaker 1: on the shows like it just felt why disappear now
Speaker 1: when you're one of the hottest characters there was, especially
Speaker 1: because Sherry's not wearing it TBT teeny Weeny Yellow Poke
Speaker 1: and doct bikinis. We brought it before Liz just in
Speaker 1: a bathing suit on a poster sold like crazy. I
Speaker 1: don't know why dips wo was around, not in WWF.
Speaker 1: Either way, Sapphire did pick well.
Speaker 4: She had to make a living at that point. She
Speaker 4: was on her own basically, and so she right, she
Speaker 4: had to make a living prior to that, and and
Speaker 4: the money was really good early on there and with
Speaker 4: with Randy, but after that, you know, as we there's
Speaker 4: many tales of uh A lot of times it doesn't
Speaker 4: go so far. So she I think probably when it
Speaker 4: came down to and I certainly don't know, and I
Speaker 4: imagine that she had to make a living too at
Speaker 4: that point.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, you know, somewhere in the show, I
Speaker 1: don't have it written down, but we'll talk about right now.
Speaker 1: Rhythm and Blues have a concert with Diamond Dallas Page
Speaker 1: driving down and a pink Cadillac. The Rushwackers interrupt this
Speaker 1: as well. This is all before when you talked about
Speaker 1: you interviewing Mary Talamore, how she was going to be
Speaker 1: excited for this Rhythmen blues song, Honk of Honk of
Speaker 1: Honk of love Boy, you talk about crashing and burning
Speaker 1: on live television. Dude, this is horrible and maybe someone
Speaker 1: thinks it's hilarious and it's fun. I'm sorry you're wrong.
Speaker 1: Because Honky Tonk Man is sort of singing. You have
Speaker 1: the Honk Cats doing the real part of the Hunk
Speaker 1: of honk Abo and then it's time for greg the
Speaker 1: Hammer Valentine with his jet black care to sing and
Speaker 1: he forgot every word.
Speaker 2: Love what he was.
Speaker 1: There no practicing, there was no rehearsal, Like what are
Speaker 1: we doing here with Gregor Hammer Valentine?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was not a great moment in music,
Speaker 4: was it? No side note here though? The Diamonds Diamond
Speaker 4: Dallas Page was his WrestleMania debut, and yeah, and he
Speaker 4: tells the story, you know that was his That was
Speaker 4: his Cadillac. That's how he got involved. Somebody said, hey, yeah,
Speaker 4: we need a Cadillac, and they said, hey, we know
Speaker 4: this guy.
Speaker 2: And he also worked for a strip club. That's why
Speaker 2: they knew him.
Speaker 4: No, he was a man. Well, yeah, it was a
Speaker 4: club that they went to. I only it was a
Speaker 4: strip club. It was just a club popular. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: was a popular nightclub that he managed and a lot
Speaker 4: of the guys would go in. That's how he got
Speaker 4: into it. That's a whole other episode. But he had
Speaker 4: this cadillac and he tells the story. I think it
Speaker 4: was Pat Patterson called him and said, you know what
Speaker 4: you're luck can you come up We'll get you through
Speaker 4: your cadillac. Uh And Dallas was like yeah, And they said,
Speaker 4: well what do you want for and he said, just
Speaker 4: you pay to get it up there and let me
Speaker 4: drive it. I don't think him he didn't get any
Speaker 4: other money to do that. But you know, Dallas is
Speaker 4: just uh, you know, he's yeah, but the way his
Speaker 4: mind works, you know, he was thinking, you know, and
Speaker 4: and because the way he interacts with people that it
Speaker 4: was just an opportunity, another opportunity to get in the door.
Speaker 4: And you know, they don't pay me anything, just just
Speaker 4: bring me up there, and you know, just laid another
Speaker 4: track for him on that journey that.
Speaker 3: He was taking.
Speaker 4: But I just thought that that was so typical Dallas
Speaker 4: that he, you know, just seized an opportunity.
Speaker 3: So anyway, but you're right about the the You would
Speaker 3: have thought.
Speaker 4: That somebody would have said, let's see what he sounds like,
Speaker 4: or let's do a rehearsal.
Speaker 3: You know, that's where you do it before.
Speaker 4: I hope, I honestly I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I think uh uh, I don't know. Or maybe he
Speaker 4: just totally blew the lines. But I don't remember hearing
Speaker 4: anything backstage of them warming up.
Speaker 3: That's all I can tell you. So maybe they were
Speaker 3: off somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Me me, me me, Yeah, it was the Honk AATs
Speaker 1: who carried that performance, and the Bushwhackers show up and
Speaker 1: they just they destroyed the guitars, and yes, the body
Speaker 1: Ventura is very upset that they interrupted one of the
Speaker 1: greatest performances of all time. I think Jesse might have
Speaker 1: been on that little drunk with Steve Allen Well and I.
Speaker 3: Was a huge fan of Honkey Talk Man.
Speaker 4: He could uh, he was made me laugh every time
Speaker 4: I saw him, because he had that you know, this
Speaker 4: bad Elvis, but he pulled it off and you know,
Speaker 4: the moves and everything, and he had that guitar would
Speaker 4: be totally out of tune.
Speaker 3: He did not play that thing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love the Yeah, Greg, they could have just
Speaker 4: kept in the background.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the heck they were thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either, But it's it seems like this
Speaker 1: whole entire event, there's like a match.
Speaker 2: People want to see the match.
Speaker 4: People are it's shenanigans there, But like Steve, there's Steve Fall,
Speaker 4: there's the Shenanigans. Why why we have so many shenanigans
Speaker 4: going on?
Speaker 2: What is that coffee? We're on to match number nine?
Speaker 2: There's fourteen Irish whiskey.
Speaker 4: That's what's in here.
Speaker 1: Lad Jesus Lady, starting early for mister Mooney. Here the
Speaker 1: Rockers are up neck taking on the Orient Express, a
Speaker 1: name you can't use in today's world or any Express
Speaker 1: win the match via counter after Fuji throws salt in
Speaker 1: Jenny's eyes. It's a great match in the Rockers would
Speaker 1: fight the Orient Express again. I think it's runnable ninetety one,
Speaker 1: and it's a great match. It's unbelievable, but it's still
Speaker 1: like there's a there's a pattern to this wrestuming it
Speaker 1: where it's like people wanted to see this.
Speaker 2: People didn't want to care about this. People wanted to
Speaker 2: see this. All right, go to the bathroom by merch.
Speaker 1: All right, you want to see this because up next
Speaker 1: Million Other the Man versus Jake the Snake rob of
Speaker 1: course you want to see this matter.
Speaker 2: I wanted to see that these two are the.
Speaker 1: Greatest in the Golden era, especially around this time. Now
Speaker 1: the storyline, they play you a video package. It's very
Speaker 1: weird because they show you, like eight months ago the
Speaker 1: million deala man took Jake the Snake Roberts out. He
Speaker 1: doesn't return for another like seven months after that. The
Speaker 1: real backstory to that is Jake had a problem with
Speaker 1: substance abuse, so they have to get him off television somehow,
Speaker 1: and Million Dollar Man taking him Out's a long time though,
Speaker 1: for a very popular wrestler to be removed from television
Speaker 1: and not really feeling the burn of missing one of
Speaker 1: these characters. What was it like seeing a wrestler like this,
Speaker 1: Jake the Snake Roberts, who clearly all these wrestlers are
Speaker 1: doing something backstage that aren't legal. But Jake the Snake,
Speaker 1: he's one of those stories that you hear more than others.
Speaker 4: Why is that the case, Well, somebody you know, and
Speaker 4: you know have known people throughout your life too, that
Speaker 4: you know they call people like social drinkers that can
Speaker 4: do that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: You could say.
Speaker 4: At the time, everybody was doing something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a.
Speaker 4: Lot of all kinds of stuff happening on the road,
Speaker 4: and these guys doing what they had to do to
Speaker 4: get into that ring, to get into the square circle.
Speaker 4: Others were just better at dealing with it. There were
Speaker 4: a few exceptions that took it more seriously and stayed
Speaker 4: away from things like that, and you know, but that
Speaker 4: was pretty much the exception. And Jake was not one
Speaker 4: of those people. He just it just got the best
Speaker 4: of them, and as we saw, it happened with many others.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and then when he gets to a point
Speaker 4: where it is impacting what you can do, you know,
Speaker 4: Fortunately the company was I not don't want to say compassionate,
Speaker 4: because it was all about business.
Speaker 3: You needed these guys. Jake was somebody who was a.
Speaker 4: Moneymaker for them, and they want they needed him healthy,
Speaker 4: so him stepping away and uh, you know, getting cleaned
Speaker 4: up was was necessary. I'm glad that in a situation,
Speaker 4: that's the way it was, because, like I said, it
Speaker 4: was business and not that they didn't take of low
Speaker 4: take care of low level guys as well, but not
Speaker 4: with the same fervor, I will tell you. And Jake
Speaker 4: was an earner, so they needed him back and they
Speaker 4: and that was something that was very important to them.
Speaker 4: But it just kind of made it clear at that
Speaker 4: point that he had some serious problems and they had
Speaker 4: to do something about it.
Speaker 1: And again, when you see Jake sink backstage with me
Speaker 1: and Gene Cutness promo talking about greed and talking about
Speaker 1: how he's going to make million dollar Man get on
Speaker 1: his knees, He's watched Mandela Man make other people get
Speaker 1: on their knees and ask her money. Well, he's going
Speaker 1: to make million dollar Man grovel here at Russelmania six.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was great because the storyline kind
Speaker 1: of is like, oh, well, Jake stole the million Dollar
Speaker 1: Championship from him, because Mandela Man takes things from other people.
Speaker 1: The Robin Hood storyline here, it was a nice touch
Speaker 1: because Jake the Snake Roberts, you know we talked about
Speaker 1: before Golden Era. I have come to the conclusion that
Speaker 1: he has the greatest storylines in the Golden Era, next
Speaker 1: to Hulk Hogan, Like there's no way you can touch him.
Speaker 1: And what he's been working with Andre, He's been working
Speaker 1: with Warrior Hogan, million dollar man.
Speaker 2: Macho man.
Speaker 1: He slaps Liz like, he turns Warrior almost he like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot to Jake the Snake Roberts. But here
Speaker 1: another count out teddbiasse wins by count Out.
Speaker 2: We just saw a match with count Out Raby Lornan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know that. You know, you could
Speaker 4: do so much with these guys, and that's how we
Speaker 4: end it, you know.
Speaker 2: Continue the storyline, I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I do want to mention here, you know,
Speaker 4: you talk about all these great storylines with Jake and
Speaker 4: and don't think for a second, you know he just
Speaker 4: got lucky or he was his character was so you know,
Speaker 4: easy to plan storylines with. Uh, that's not necessarily the case.
Speaker 4: And as I've mentioned before that you know, Jake was
Speaker 4: really good at understanding his character and being creative of
Speaker 4: what you know, you could do with him, and so
Speaker 4: he was as much a part of a lot of
Speaker 4: the things that he got involved in on his own.
Speaker 3: You know that he would say, you.
Speaker 4: Know, hey, what about this, Let's try this, you know,
Speaker 4: and you know what, and he was just really good
Speaker 4: at that. I think that he would have made a
Speaker 4: great booker if given the opportunity. And he thought that
Speaker 4: that's kind of where he was going to go with
Speaker 4: the company, and Vince basically shut that down when when
Speaker 4: Pat came back. But I thought that he could have
Speaker 4: been a great benefit to the company with that, with
Speaker 4: that part of his his repertoire. But I think, you know,
Speaker 4: you need to give him a lot of credit. He
Speaker 4: did have some great storylines, but he had a lot
Speaker 4: to do with that.
Speaker 2: Again, he's one of the greatest promo of all time.
Speaker 1: People get give people give Piper a lot of credit,
Speaker 1: people give the Rock a lot of credit. But Jake
Speaker 1: the Snake, Robert, it's like this dude, he'd always say.
Speaker 2: I remember interviewing.
Speaker 1: Him, and he'd say, I would talk even softer and softer,
Speaker 1: So you have to get closer to the television to
Speaker 1: hear me. Because instead of Warrior and again nothing against Warrior.
Speaker 1: His technique was screaming and yelling.
Speaker 2: That was his thing. A lot of guys and.
Speaker 4: The intensity and you know, quiet and quiet and quiet
Speaker 4: and I don't know what he's saying, but he's gonna
Speaker 4: he's freaking me out. Many call it a slow burn.
Speaker 3: I always say it's a slow burnings. Yeah, I know
Speaker 3: what you're thinking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, damn. You know, Jack Tunney taught me a lot
Speaker 4: of things, you know, and you'd be like, awesome.
Speaker 2: It's so funny in the mirror recently, Oh.
Speaker 4: Come on, it's being around those guys for so long
Speaker 4: it kind of sticks in your brain.
Speaker 3: Next time I see Bruce.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, They had that show on the network.
Speaker 1: He tried to make his his due impressions, but he
Speaker 1: held a mask over his face because he didn't want
Speaker 1: to insult Jr. By doing a closed eye and his
Speaker 1: mouth twisted like this.
Speaker 2: And uh, he didn't want to do that. So I
Speaker 2: don't get canceled again.
Speaker 1: So moving on, Big Boston, brus is a chem The
Speaker 1: Twin Towers have broken up. Big Boston recently turned baby Face,
Speaker 1: so we're just kind of wrapping up the Twin Tower
Speaker 1: storyline here. Big Boston actually gives a king his boss
Speaker 1: Man slam with one arm, and that is damn impressive.
Speaker 1: But this is kind of the end of a chem
Speaker 1: you know, we don't really see him do much after
Speaker 1: this Big boss Man huge push. He goes off to
Speaker 1: work with Hogan. He goes off to be part of
Speaker 1: one of my favorite Surviva Serious teams of all time
Speaker 1: with Hogan.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot going on there. But Keem, it's
Speaker 2: the end? Why Why the end for a keem?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: How long can you juke and jive? As the act
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: And you know, right so, and I think he became
Speaker 4: disenchanted and a lot of it as in many cases
Speaker 4: he felt that he wasn't earning enough and even says,
Speaker 4: you know, it was at some point where it was
Speaker 4: costing me to do this, whether or not that was true,
Speaker 4: but yeah, he became disenchanted and that had another opportunity
Speaker 4: to go earned some money.
Speaker 3: And took it.
Speaker 4: But the Big boss Man at this point was on
Speaker 4: a great trajectory moving up through the ranks and deservedly so.
Speaker 4: And I've mentioned many times how much I really loved
Speaker 4: boss Man. I just thought all the way around he
Speaker 4: was the whole package and worked really hard at it,
Speaker 4: because initially he wasn't as great doing you know, the promos,
Speaker 4: and but he grew into that where he was just
Speaker 4: phenomenal and the whole package with the night stick and
Speaker 4: and the way and what. He never gets enough credit
Speaker 4: to me on just how.
Speaker 3: Athletic he was. I mean he could do the.
Speaker 4: Splits, I mean he you know, and he'd get up
Speaker 4: on the ropes and he just did a lot of
Speaker 4: moves that I don't think people really recognize just how
Speaker 4: difficult that is for an exceptionally large human to do.
Speaker 4: So deservedly, so he got a big push and really
Speaker 4: I had a great run.
Speaker 1: Well also, you think about it, the Twin Towers akeem
Speaker 1: in Big Boss Man really helped build to wrest Many
Speaker 1: five with the Megapowers Explode. Was out their involvement with
Speaker 1: Hogan and Savage, there wouldn't have been these two men
Speaker 1: akeeen in Big Boston were beaten down Savage while like
Speaker 1: Hoga's backstages, Liz trying to get their help. All this
Speaker 1: shit is involved with these two wrestlers, so without them
Speaker 1: doing their job. And also look at a picture of
Speaker 1: Big Bossman in nineteen eighty nine, then look at a
Speaker 1: picture of him in nineteen ninety then ninety one. I
Speaker 1: don't know how he's doing doing it, but he lost
Speaker 1: a significant amount of weight from just two years from
Speaker 1: now and being on the road that much. I don't
Speaker 1: even know how someone can lose that mass because he's
Speaker 1: busy every day, but he must have been at the
Speaker 1: gym twenty four hours a day to lose all that weight,
Speaker 1: Like he looked amazing.
Speaker 2: He used to.
Speaker 1: Slide underneath the bottom rope, come around and pop you
Speaker 1: in the face, like who else is doing that at
Speaker 1: two three hundred pounds plus?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and I think that he saw that
Speaker 4: his agility and being healthy at least as healthy as
Speaker 4: you could be with the life that they were living,
Speaker 4: was helping him. You know, he was moving better, he
Speaker 4: you know, could do more and saw that.
Speaker 3: But that takes a.
Speaker 4: Tremendous commitment, as you just mentioned that, you know, these
Speaker 4: guys are on the road. We've said many times, like
Speaker 4: how many days of the year that they're out there,
Speaker 4: and you're going to these towns, and the more committed
Speaker 4: ones were, you know, trying to get some the most
Speaker 4: sleap they could get up, get to a gym. You
Speaker 4: gotta eat and you gotta get to an arena and
Speaker 4: you gotta perform. And and I think that Bubba recognized
Speaker 4: at the time that this was his moment, this was
Speaker 4: his time, and he was going to you know, not
Speaker 4: let any of it slip away, and you know, did
Speaker 4: what he had to do to you know, take the
Speaker 4: most out of it. And I think he certainly accomplished
Speaker 4: that because you know, as you just said, he you
Speaker 4: know had a great you know, stretching there where he
Speaker 4: was at the top of the card, he really was
Speaker 4: and making a lot of money and at the top
Speaker 4: of his profession.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was one of the best. I'm now we're
Speaker 1: going to match number twelve. It's Rick rud versus super
Speaker 1: Fly Jimmy Snooker. Rick Rude wins. This is clearly to
Speaker 1: get Rick Rud more wins uneath his belt to set
Speaker 1: it up him ERUs Warrior at SummerSlam nineteen ninety WHI
Speaker 1: would be the next pay per view.
Speaker 2: So there's really no talking points here.
Speaker 1: It's just more of like Rick Rude was the IC champion,
Speaker 1: hasn't really been doing that much.
Speaker 2: He wins here.
Speaker 1: Next up, though, is talking about your old podcast partner,
Speaker 1: Hacksaw Jim Duggan.
Speaker 2: Now we're in Canada.
Speaker 1: Yep, can't now Hacksaw Jduggin comes down the aisle with
Speaker 1: a giant American flag.
Speaker 2: He's saying, on Dino Bravo, who is from Canada.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the crowd is very confused.
Speaker 4: They don't know.
Speaker 2: You can see other faces like do I boo Hacksaw?
Speaker 2: Do I cheer?
Speaker 4: Do you know?
Speaker 1: There was Hacksaw a very aware the situation of showing
Speaker 1: up because even when he tries to do a USA chant,
Speaker 1: they're like, no, we're not doing that. We're not doing
Speaker 1: that here, like we're not cheering USA.
Speaker 4: Well, but at the time this was he was doing
Speaker 4: the patriotic gimmick.
Speaker 3: What do you do? You keep that in the trunk?
Speaker 4: He can't know he's gonna come out with just that
Speaker 4: that the two by four, So you know what, And
Speaker 4: it is kind of interesting though, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: you can see, okay, America, Russia or Iraq or you know,
Speaker 4: but US Canada, what we're gonna maybe today, yeah, maybe today,
Speaker 4: but uh no, not back then. So that that's a
Speaker 4: hard cell and and uh so I think it was, what,
Speaker 4: you know what one of those things where we uh,
Speaker 4: let's not get the countries involved here, folks. Let's just
Speaker 4: you know, have these two guys not like each other today.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was that was a that was an
Speaker 3: interesting selling like you.
Speaker 1: I remember it was so funny because he stomps on
Speaker 1: the ground and usually he stomps on the ground.
Speaker 2: He does one of these and everyone's like you. He
Speaker 2: gets everyone clapping for you, said.
Speaker 4: They went Canada came out with the Steelers. I don't
Speaker 4: think was gonna sing. Yeah, that wasn't gonna work either, So.
Speaker 1: No, no, And Earthquake is out there as well. Hacksade
Speaker 1: gem dug and wins the two by four shot to
Speaker 1: Dino Bravo. So we got baby faces cheating again, which
Speaker 1: is fine, We're okay with that in today's world. And
Speaker 1: Earthquake at the end though, takes out, Hacksaw gives him
Speaker 1: the earthquake splash with his.
Speaker 2: Just smoshes him in the ring.
Speaker 1: And yeah, but I love I love the commentary because
Speaker 1: Jesse the Ventura is like Gorilla, Grilla, you're okay with
Speaker 1: this two by four shot, Like you're okay with this?
Speaker 2: And Gorilla goes quiet for a minute and he.
Speaker 1: Goes, well, all the bad things Dino has done in
Speaker 1: the past.
Speaker 2: This is karma for him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jesse, He's like, come on, yeah, And I love
Speaker 4: that when Jesse would do that, he was you know,
Speaker 4: he would go, uh yeah, you're all good with all
Speaker 4: this stuff until you guys are cheating, you know, because
Speaker 4: he was. He was the heel announcer and and you know,
Speaker 4: and and there were times you're like, he's got a point,
Speaker 4: you know, he is like Bobby wouldn't if Bobby did that,
Speaker 4: he was still wrong. But Jesse would make you think, uh,
Speaker 4: this bad point. Yeah, I guess you're kind of right there.
Speaker 4: You're okay with that, you know, him doing that, but
Speaker 4: he takes the two by four and cheats, and it's
Speaker 4: still okay, you know, like come on, like say, you know, no,
Speaker 4: I think he screwed up this time. No, he's got
Speaker 4: you gotta stay there.
Speaker 3: Nah, it's karma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's karba ca Yeah.
Speaker 4: But j yeah, I really did. I like that Jesse
Speaker 4: could walk that line of where uh you know, of
Speaker 4: course he was a heel, but he would make points
Speaker 4: that you know, you know, bring it into where it
Speaker 4: was common sense and it's you know, really and you
Speaker 4: couldn't really disagree with them. I guess, yeah, you do
Speaker 4: kind of a point there, but uh, all right, let's
Speaker 4: move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I disagree with you, but uh, let's keep going.
Speaker 1: We've reached the fourteenth match of the evening, and this
Speaker 1: pay per view is about three hours and forty minutes long.
Speaker 1: It's the Ultimate Challenge, it's title for a title. It's
Speaker 1: Hot Cogan versus the Ultimate Warrior. Now title for title
Speaker 1: underneath this, I believe if Hoe Cogan pinned Ultmate Warrior,
Speaker 1: he would also be the inner Condinal champion, Right, that's
Speaker 1: what you would think.
Speaker 3: It was title for title.
Speaker 2: Even Hard Finkel says it's title for title.
Speaker 1: But yet as years would go on, Bruce would say,
Speaker 1: it was never for the Intercontinental title. And I'm thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, you say it's never for the Intercontinental title,
Speaker 1: but why do you keep saying title for title?
Speaker 4: Well? Also, why not?
Speaker 2: Why would you say, is it below Hogan to be champion?
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, And we knew how it was going to end,
Speaker 4: So why not?
Speaker 2: What were you told when you were building this up on?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Well, I was titled for title. I always thought that.
Speaker 4: That's that's news to me that Bruce would say that
Speaker 4: it was always just for the heavyweight World Championship, right, that's.
Speaker 2: What That's what he was saying. But yet they always say.
Speaker 4: I liked the angle of that. How awesome would that be?
Speaker 4: Do you know a double title holder? For as long
Speaker 4: as it would happened before President Tunney would do something
Speaker 4: about it, of.
Speaker 3: Course, because he was he was the word.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, hest the man, don't screw a tunny because
Speaker 1: he'll screw with you.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 1: When Warrior first comes out, the audience is cheering. But
Speaker 1: when I watched this on the Vault last night on YouTube,
Speaker 1: you don't really hear a pop.
Speaker 2: You just hear noise.
Speaker 1: When Hulk Hogan comes out, Holy shit, Like I can
Speaker 1: hear the crowd through Gorilla and through Jesse's microphone. Like
Speaker 1: there's no way that they thought, oh shit could go
Speaker 1: wrong because everyone's cheering Hogan.
Speaker 2: Some people are cheering Warrior. What were you thinking going
Speaker 2: into this?
Speaker 1: Did you think the audience would be split or you thought,
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna choose one or the other and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a problem here.
Speaker 4: No, I wasn't surprised by that because you know, you know,
Speaker 4: Canada had a very rich history of professional wrestling across
Speaker 4: the country and Hulk Hogan was you know, it was
Speaker 4: hul Comania, and we're not that deep into the existence
Speaker 4: of the WWF the time, and uh so you had
Speaker 4: a lot of devotees, shall we say, like these these
Speaker 4: people were you know, they they they loved, you know,
Speaker 4: decades and decades of professional wrestling, and they appreciated what
Speaker 4: Hulk Hogan had done for professional wrestling. So I don't
Speaker 4: think it was that surprising to me. And uh you know,
Speaker 4: Hulk had been there many times throughout his career, and
Speaker 4: so you know, the warrior he certainly, I mean, we
Speaker 4: can't say that people weren't.
Speaker 2: Cheering, like very different, very popular.
Speaker 4: But I think it wasn't. It wasn't just so much
Speaker 4: that you know, Hulk Hogan's in this Magic Ultimate War.
Speaker 3: It was Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 4: Is here, if that makes sense, that because he represented
Speaker 4: what professional wrestling had become at that point to that crowd,
Speaker 4: and they it was more I think they were showing
Speaker 4: that appreciation. Now that's that's my that was my thinking,
Speaker 4: and I do remember that Pop. I've said that there's
Speaker 4: been there were a couple of times in my career
Speaker 4: where I would be on the arena floor and the
Speaker 4: roar of a crowd wasn't just it wasn't just this
Speaker 4: audio pop going through my head. It went through your body.
Speaker 4: And that was one of those. And there were, you know,
Speaker 4: a couple other times, but that was one of them.
Speaker 4: And so it's when you mentioned that, I was saying, yeah,
Speaker 4: I remember that that.
Speaker 3: That's that's what it was like.
Speaker 4: And I really just felt like these people were just
Speaker 4: so glad that Hulk Hogan was here in Toronto in
Speaker 4: their stadium and he represented the reason they were there,
Speaker 4: that you know, that that had become this gigantic spectacle.
Speaker 1: I love that how you said that, because you know,
Speaker 1: I think some people confuse Hulk Hogan for his real
Speaker 1: life persona versus his wrestling persona and not realizing that
Speaker 1: as a generation of fans who look at Hulk Cogan
Speaker 1: as their childhood hero. So seeing this moment play out,
Speaker 1: as you said, sixty five thousands, I'm not gonna disparage anyone,
Speaker 1: but I'm highly doubting that. I'm like, oh, daddy, pay,
Speaker 1: let's go see the rockers. Rest of Oran Express, they're saying, Daddy,
Speaker 1: I want to go see Hull Cogan.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the people here right, whether or not what
Speaker 4: they thought of the Warrior whatever, but that was that.
Speaker 3: Was a big match.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're getting both of these guys in the ring,
Speaker 4: so that was kind of the uh, you know the
Speaker 4: Flair Hogan.
Speaker 3: You always wanted to see that level. It was.
Speaker 4: You know, we always talk about how you know, you
Speaker 4: got to be able to stand toe to toe.
Speaker 3: This was one of those matches.
Speaker 1: And you know, people always say Warrior were Savage at
Speaker 1: Wrestling in seven is Warrior's greatest match.
Speaker 2: I disagree.
Speaker 1: I believe this is Warrior's greatest match, possibly even hould Cogan's.
Speaker 1: Because the crowd is going, as Gridla would say, bananas
Speaker 1: the entire time. There's no lull, there's no oh, I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go the bathroom really quick and I
Speaker 1: can come back. People are standing and people always say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a standing roomooning. No, No, people are standing the
Speaker 1: whole time. Even in the crowd, Edge rated a superstar
Speaker 1: Edge is there as.
Speaker 2: A child watching this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's these little moments of people here
Speaker 1: enjoying this moment, and I think it's just one of
Speaker 1: those forgotten arts where you realize, look at the fun
Speaker 1: people are having. Stop looking for the negative, stop looking
Speaker 1: for the problems, enjoy the moment, because Warrior I had
Speaker 1: the I have the brochure right here. The Warrior versus
Speaker 1: Hogan moment is one of those Rock versus Austin moments
Speaker 1: where you're never gonna get this again. And this is
Speaker 1: something you should appreciate and love and I think it's
Speaker 1: the best match. So for you, you told me, were you
Speaker 1: on the floor for this match?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, when I didn't have to do interviews,
Speaker 4: I would love to. I would just go outside the curtain.
Speaker 4: I always like to feel it. And because that was
Speaker 4: a whole different experience. Yeah, and and uh, this was
Speaker 4: this was right up there. And I think as you said,
Speaker 4: you know this is you thought this was one of
Speaker 4: the Warrior's greatest matches. I think Jim would would agree
Speaker 4: with you that despite his you know, it was business,
Speaker 4: it was just me doing my job. Uh, I think
Speaker 4: that he felt this was definitely one of his one
Speaker 4: of his greatest matches. And I told you about that
Speaker 4: interview where he says that you know that day, everything worked.
Speaker 4: And I think for a professional athlete, someone who's experienced
Speaker 4: that or even whatever level you're at, but you have
Speaker 4: those days where you know, I guess you'd call it
Speaker 4: in the zone. You're just there and everything you do works.
Speaker 4: And I think this was one of those days where
Speaker 4: not only for Jim Helwig, but for also for Terry
Speaker 4: Belea that day that everything just just worked the way
Speaker 4: the match worked out. And and uh so I think
Speaker 4: that you know, Warrior would agree with you, and I'm
Speaker 4: sure that you know hul Cogan felt the same way.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: The big, the big tell on this is how the
Speaker 4: crowd reacts to it. And uh, you know, being on
Speaker 4: that floor and and uh seeing that where they were
Speaker 4: reacting to everything everything for a moment, for the moment
Speaker 4: it started from the their entrances to the to.
Speaker 3: When it was over, it all works.
Speaker 4: And so you know, for me it is it's one
Speaker 4: of the one of the best WrestleMania matches ever.
Speaker 3: And and and.
Speaker 4: As always when I tell you it's always, it's not
Speaker 4: always it's it's of course the wrestling is. But I
Speaker 4: take it all in. Yeah, and with the audience and
Speaker 4: where these two are and uh, you know that's that's
Speaker 4: that's what makes it. Uh and and they and and
Speaker 4: that day it had it.
Speaker 1: All and Warrior wins, the match comes championed, and he
Speaker 1: has both championships, the great image of him holding them
Speaker 1: both up and his Warrior on the cart walking going away.
Speaker 1: But the thing is people harp on these pieces to
Speaker 1: this match. One is Warrior before this as a promo
Speaker 1: weeks before this, where he's gonna steal Hate Cogan's airplane
Speaker 1: and he's gonna drive it into a mountain, killing the pilots,
Speaker 1: the sacrifices for the Warriors.
Speaker 2: Weird shit, But yet people.
Speaker 4: Always were, They always were weird.
Speaker 1: He said he was going to steal his plane and
Speaker 1: then fly into a mountain and the pilot has made
Speaker 1: the sacrifice for the Warrior to become champion. Like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Yes there are crazy promos, but I don't remember him
Speaker 1: ever saying he was gonna steal someone's airplane and throw
Speaker 1: it into a mountain.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's me, that's me.
Speaker 1: But yet in this how do you think Hate Coogan
Speaker 1: was feeling going into this, Because, as Brett HoTT would
Speaker 1: say in his book That Warrior, Hogan went up to
Speaker 1: Brett and was like, yeah, well I lost, but you
Speaker 1: know they're gonna call me back because they're gonna need me,
Speaker 1: which you know eventually they did.
Speaker 2: And we've talked about it multiple times.
Speaker 1: Or Hogan always has this plan in the back of
Speaker 1: his head where like, well, if I leave them and
Speaker 1: business goes down, they'll always call me back because they'll
Speaker 1: think it's the reason the BIS went down because I left.
Speaker 2: And it's a great it's a great plan to stay
Speaker 2: on top forever. I get it. But how do you
Speaker 2: think Hogan was feeling about going into this event losing.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it was all part of the grand
Speaker 4: plan that uh, you know, you have these these storylines
Speaker 4: that go on, they can't go on forever. Hulka Mania
Speaker 4: couldn't just go on forever. At some point you need
Speaker 4: some drama. You need to as I always kind of uh,
Speaker 4: I always kind of called either behind the music analogy
Speaker 4: remember that show, behind that show, right, And it was
Speaker 4: always you know, starting out struggling, great fame, oh they
Speaker 4: screw up, crashing, and then redemption, a beginning, middle end.
Speaker 4: You've got to have a story. It can't always be
Speaker 4: on the trajectory here. It can't always have this you know, ascension.
Speaker 4: And so I think that that Hulk was looking at
Speaker 4: it that way that you know, how can I miss
Speaker 4: you if you don't go away and and so and
Speaker 4: the best of both worlds, because I think deep down
Speaker 4: the Halkster knew they're gonna they're gonna need me.
Speaker 3: He could tell.
Speaker 4: He'd been in this business long enough he could he
Speaker 4: knew that that the warrior, you know, Jim, was not
Speaker 4: gonna be able to handle this. He couldn't sustain it.
Speaker 4: He didn't have there weren't the horses behind the warriors.
Speaker 4: It just wasn't Hulkamania had all of this. And so
Speaker 4: I think deep down he had that confidence that yeah,
Speaker 4: this is it's this ain't over, and it's gonna give
Speaker 4: me a nice break here and and they need to
Speaker 4: see what it's like not having me here. So I
Speaker 4: think that he was fine, fine with it, and uh
Speaker 4: uh you know, did what he had to do, sold it,
Speaker 4: put him over and uh and knew that.
Speaker 3: I'll be back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll call me, They'll they'll call me again.
Speaker 1: And they did, and he came back, and then he
Speaker 1: got taken up by earthquake and then the double main
Speaker 1: event of Summer Slam nineteen ninety occurred. Grilman soon though
Speaker 1: on commentary, suggests that Hulk Hogan is no longer just
Speaker 1: a wrestler.
Speaker 2: He's immortal.
Speaker 1: That's where the immortal Hulk Cogan line comes into play,
Speaker 1: because Warrior wins the championship, according to again the rumors
Speaker 1: and the lore that Hogan was not supposed to do this.
Speaker 1: He grabs the world championship, he's the one who hands
Speaker 1: it to Warrior, gets on the little golf cart ring goes.
Speaker 1: He's looking sad, like he's crying and it's over and
Speaker 1: it's never gonna be better. But the camera stays on
Speaker 1: Hogan instead of focusing on Warrior more. And that's when
Speaker 1: Gorilla drops that line about immortality and Hult Cogan, and
Speaker 1: so Hogan suggests that he planted the seed of Well,
Speaker 1: now you're focusing on me, Like, what's next for Hogan?
Speaker 2: Where's Hogan going? Why is he so sad versus man?
Speaker 2: Look at Warrior, he's a champion, he's so strong. We
Speaker 2: can't wait to see what he does next.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of you can pick and choose what
Speaker 1: you want from that sun since But do you think
Speaker 1: Hogan's so smart? He realizes, like I look sad, people
Speaker 1: ben about me, not about him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he'd made a career out of reading audiences and
Speaker 4: the whole psychology behind it and as they say, Hogan
Speaker 4: must pose and any posts and yeah in his own way,
Speaker 4: that's yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 1: It was good and I again, Wrestling is six is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite events because again it's almost goes
Speaker 1: four hours long, and usually these events didn't do that
Speaker 1: like this podcast, no two hours almost.
Speaker 2: We've talked about it all folks.
Speaker 1: We talked about it Steve Allen and poopy jokes to
Speaker 1: Warry becoming champion to Sweet Sapphi or wrestling in a
Speaker 1: ring which you shouldn't have probably have been but in
Speaker 1: reality Mooney said, that's one of your favorites.
Speaker 2: And before we wrap this up, uh.
Speaker 4: This may be one of my favorite podcasts. So folks,
Speaker 4: don't you miss it. You got to wait a minute.
Speaker 3: The end.
Speaker 2: This is this is the end.
Speaker 1: Tell guys, guys, you gotta watch you, guys gotta watch this.
Speaker 1: I really enjoy this wrestling and what it's called.
Speaker 2: It's called wrestling. Marry Mary you okay, I'm doing great.
Speaker 2: I got both tell.
Speaker 4: It's a eyebrowser up, touch on the hairline there.
Speaker 1: But final thoughts on this paper be before I wrap
Speaker 1: this up after thirty four hour podcast.
Speaker 3: Absolutely one one of my faves.
Speaker 4: And as we've mentioned over the last whatever, it's been
Speaker 4: that it was for a number of reasons, and and Steve,
Speaker 4: you know, to me, it's I always take it, you know.
Speaker 4: I look at it as this grand picture and and
Speaker 4: all the stuff that was involved in this, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, better or worse, I mean, it was. It
Speaker 4: was a lot of entertainment to take in. So uh
Speaker 4: this this remains right up there on the top of
Speaker 4: my list. And so I'm glad we had a chance
Speaker 4: to really go through the whole thing. I know we've
Speaker 4: done it in parts before, but to really talk about
Speaker 4: the whole event was awesome.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna after we end this, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: ask Alexa to play me a hunk a hunk of
Speaker 1: hunk a love three honkers yes.
Speaker 4: With Valiant skip that one, just use the one with
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna I'm just gonna sing it myself because
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear Valentine trying to sing.
Speaker 2: But thank you everyone for tuning in to us.
Speaker 1: How about resting in the six here in the Golden
Speaker 1: in a podcast with Sean Mooney, I'm see fall he
Speaker 1: Shan Mooney, who have a great day and we'll see
Speaker 1: you next time.
Speaker 2: It's the Golden Age, I'll tell me, tell you.
Speaker 4: Not to this.
Speaker 2: I so fancy sat into Refield history, down to the
Speaker 2: gold and tell me to Bie