WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:12.439 Cho then the Fantasy sat in Louisial History, the gold 2 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:15.480 Then tell me youie. 3 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:18.480 To me, It's a little Warriors, It's the ultimate Challenge. 4 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:21.320 It's Rustling six right here on the Golden Era Podcast 5 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:22.120 with Sean Mooney. 6 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:23.120 How you doing today? 7 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:24.559 I am doing great. 8 00:00:24.679 --> 00:00:27.559 Nice to see you, Steve, and we're gonna be talking 9 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:33.119 about a Wressellmania today. That remains one of my favorites 10 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:37.359 for a number of reasons though, as usual, because there's 11 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:39.359 so many backstage. 12 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:40.920 Stories, and we really do have a lot of them. 13 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:44.719 So thank you, thank you for having me dig back 14 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:49.280 into that deep chest that I have in my memory. 15 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:50.759 So it's gonna be fun. 16 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:54.079 Well, anytime anyone sees these episodes pop up, they always go, god, 17 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:55.880 damn it it Mooney looks amazing. 18 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:58.240 And so nineteen ninety, Mooney, you had a little bit 19 00:00:58.240 --> 00:00:59.119 of a mullet if you. 20 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:01.840 If you go back and watch the uh the interviews 21 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:05.439 Dusty and Demolition, you got a little mullet there. 22 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:06.319 What's what's going on? 23 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:08.840 It was just a little mullet. Well, it was kind 24 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:12.239 of the thing to do back then. But I did 25 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:16.480 have it going on, you know, uh, partying back business 26 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:19.439 up front and I was. I was getting it done 27 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:21.079 on both ends back then. 28 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:23.040 So, well, you looked great. 29 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:25.319 You looked great when I when you popped up when 30 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:27.560 I was watching it, and I'm like, wow, he looks amazing, 31 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:29.120 almost like a picture. I was like, no, we're gonna 32 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:31.599 wait for this. We're gonna talk about it, uh the 33 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:34.439 next day. And it's funny, because wrestling is six everyone 34 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:37.799 brings it up as in, whose camp were you in? 35 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:40.719 Were you a wholek maniac? Were you a little warrior? 36 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:42.920 Am I been questioned for you? Before we really get 37 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:46.560 into all this was ultimate Warrior ready for the pressure 38 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:49.239 to be the face of the w w F after 39 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:50.159 wrestling a six. 40 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:54.159 Well, I really wanted to get in into that today 41 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:58.200 because as we have discussed many times about the Warrior 42 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:01.400 and people have, you know, it just rages on this 43 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:03.640 debate of who was he? 44 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:06.560 What was he all about? 45 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:11.759 And and and I found an old interview with him 46 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:16.360 that was done years later after he had left the WWF, 47 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:19.159 and I just found it fascinating. It's one of the 48 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.560 best I've ever seen of him, because I kind of 49 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:25.280 had a revelation about him after all of these years, 50 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:29.280 and and I think, really what it comes down to. 51 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.800 I don't think people could really handle back then somebody 52 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:39.439 that was just completely honest for whatever his way of thinking, 53 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:40.840 good or bad. 54 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:42.680 But that guy just told. 55 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:45.319 It the way it was in his in his mind 56 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:48.319 and and the life that he was living. And you know, 57 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:50.960 of course, everybody when they get a chance to sit 58 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:52.599 these guys down, they want to say, you know, what 59 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:55.039 were you thinking through the match? What was you know, 60 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:58.439 was the pressure on? Did you notice the crowd and everything? 61 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:02.479 And he basically says, you know, please, I'm so tired 62 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:04.919 of these questions in a sense that people think that 63 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.560 you come back to a memory and do this to 64 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:10.520 anybody about a big event in their life. And of 65 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:13.080 course everybody says, you know, oh yeah, it's all fresh. 66 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:16.879 I remember, No, you don't. And I think back too 67 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:19.879 of all the events that I was involved in, and 68 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:24.560 you know, when you're doing it, you're just doing it. 69 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:28.319 You're not taking it in and maybe later you can 70 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:31.360 kind of reflect on it. But I think at the time, 71 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:34.479 Jim Helwig was just one of those people, and I 72 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:36.280 think you're seeing more of it today, you know, like 73 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:40.039 this whole thing about being genuine, he was genuine. There's 74 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:42.360 you know, whatever good or bad. Wather you loved him 75 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:45.800 or hated him or whatever. Jim just said it. And 76 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:48.719 I don't think people were ready for that. So you say, 77 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:51.879 was you know, was he ready for this challenge? 78 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:52.120 Was he? 79 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.719 I think that Jim always looked at it that, yeah, absolutely, 80 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:57.680 you feel the pressure. But I think he felt that 81 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:01.280 every time he ran out down that runway to the ring, 82 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:05.800 and so sure this was on a different stage. And 83 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:09.960 he talks about the match, and I figured we get 84 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:11.680 into this a little bit later since, but now we're 85 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:18.519 talking about it that he says, sure, I remember the moment. 86 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:20.959 I know it was this big thing, but to me, 87 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:25.279 it was just me doing my job. And he said 88 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:27.959 in particular, though, he goes, I do remember that it 89 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:33.040 was magic that day, that everything with Hulk worked, everything 90 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:36.160 that I did worked, and it was just you know, 91 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:40.639 a special time. But as far as people thinking that, 92 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:44.319 you know, he's going to dig deep into those wonderful 93 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.560 memories and say, oh, I just remember being on the 94 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:51.160 canvas and looking out over into the arena and people 95 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:55.600 and me capturing and seeing their faces. You're not going 96 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:57.199 to get that from somebody like him. 97 00:04:57.680 --> 00:04:58.600 So was he ready? 98 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:03.279 Yeah? Because he was in for the ride. And bottom line, 99 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:05.439 to him, he was doing a job he had. He 100 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:10.319 wanted to be successful, he wanted to, you know, make money. 101 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.720 Was one of the biggest reasons he was doing what 102 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:16.879 he was doing. And he was along the same lines 103 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:22.439 certainly way different personalities, but like Sid, Sid looked at 104 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:26.240 it in the same way that it wasn't They weren't 105 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:29.199 passionate about the business. It wasn't their life. They didn't 106 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:30.560 live it. They didn't just. 107 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:31.680 Love every bit of it. 108 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:35.680 As we know, there are many that did, but those 109 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:38.800 two weren't one of them, and Jim Helwig was certainly 110 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:42.360 not one of them. He saying he didn't like what 111 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:44.639 he was doing. I'm just saying he wasn't that guy. 112 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.800 He wasn't in it because of the you know, oh 113 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:50.800 I just this is I love this. That wasn't him. 114 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:52.800 That's I'm glad you said that. 115 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:55.639 Because over the years we have done podcasts so far 116 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.480 probably like thirty something of them where people are always 117 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:02.319 critical of our comment un Ultimate Warrior, But here it 118 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:04.720 seems like we've changed our tone a little bit with 119 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:07.000 Warrior because there is a lot of pressure on someone 120 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:09.399 who's going to work every day, and again it's a 121 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:12.439 job you know, I like podcasting, I like interviewing wrestlers, 122 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:13.600 But guess what, when I'm up at three in the 123 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.480 morning editing, sometimes you're like, well, this is not fun, 124 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:18.399 this isn't turning into fun. 125 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.000 But I'm also creating. I'm also having a good time. 126 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:23.399 Ultimate Warrior is there for a paycheck, but he's also 127 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:27.920 there to create memories that will gain him more money, 128 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:31.240 will gain him more notoriety and more celebrity status. So 129 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:35.040 him here Wrestmania six, the pressure is on, especially because 130 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:38.920 the whole tagline is it's called the Ultimate Challenge, Ken 131 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:40.879 Holt Hogan defeat Ultimate Warrior. 132 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:42.759 That's what the people are buying. 133 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:46.000 And people were buying it because Russmania six two good 134 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.560 guys funding each other in the main event. This is 135 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:52.000 unheard of. This is everyone thinks now, it's such a 136 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:56.199 normal thing to happen. This is uncharted territories. What were 137 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.720 the thoughts going into this as someone who worked in 138 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:00.720 the company, where you're thinking, is this a good idea? 139 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.000 Like fans are going to be swaye They're not going 140 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.360 to be booing or cheering. They're going to be cheering 141 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:08.279 both men. It's going to be hard to decipher who 142 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:09.040 do you want to win? 143 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:13.279 Yeah, and I think it's interesting what you said at 144 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:14.959 the top of this of saying, you know, were you 145 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.360 a Hulka maniac or were you a warrior? Were you 146 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:22.879 a little warrior? And you know, in all of wrestling, 147 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:26.879 you've got to have, you know, some split however it 148 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:31.319 is to create this friction in the ring, and this 149 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.240 was a classic example of it. Now you say, you know, 150 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:37.439 was I think, like, oh man, two babyfaces, how are 151 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:42.120 you gonna get? But no, I didn't because you I've 152 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.759 seen and talked to people where you didn't have people 153 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:49.120 that were fans of both. You know, you really did 154 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:52.680 have You did like one or the other. So that 155 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:55.120 wasn't tough to you know, figure out that you're gonna 156 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:57.199 have sides in this and that's pretty much what you 157 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:01.920 need to create that confrontation. So that wasn't a question all. 158 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:05.199 But was it, as you said today, you kind have 159 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:07.120 used to seeing this stuff back then. No, it was 160 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:09.920 always those lines. It was, you know, a good guy 161 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:13.480 bad guy. And even though we started to blur the 162 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.160 line about what exactly was a bad guy and how 163 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:20.199 could he be over that, you know wasn't the case here. 164 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:23.600 And so to have this though in this showdown, and 165 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:26.759 I think that's what people wanted to see that because 166 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:29.319 there were people that were not big fans of Hulk 167 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:32.639 Hogan uh and were you know, ultimate Warrior all the way, 168 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.120 and then you had your Hulco maniacs, and they wanted 169 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.279 to see it settled once and for all. And so 170 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:41.240 as far as me thinking was this a good idea, yeah, 171 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:43.639 I thought absolutely it was a great idea. 172 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.080 I also agree with you because think of the past. 173 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:47.840 And they had things to settle here too, Steve, what 174 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:49.480 was going on with Hulk at the time, and the 175 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:52.240 belt and all this stuff and the titles and so 176 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:54.840 it was. It was a I thought was a great 177 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:57.600 storyline and a way to settle. 178 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:59.440 It one percent because a year before that you had 179 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:02.120 the megapot was explode. Before that, you had WrestleMania have 180 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.720 an entire tournament to krind of a new champion before that, 181 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:07.840 and Andre getting bodieslim before that, free locations for Estumanti 182 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:10.440 before that, the first WrestleMania. Like we are building if 183 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:14.120 we're talking about seasons or like episodes wrestlemana episodes, we 184 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:15.720 are going up and up and up and up and up. 185 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:19.480 Because each year you're trying to achieve something better than 186 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:21.720 you did the year before, and the also been challenge. 187 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:23.559 I feel like delivered one hundred percent. 188 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:29.720 April first, nineteen ninety, SkyDome, first WrestleMania outside of the US. Now, 189 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:32.679 I know wrestling is always going to be popular in Canada, 190 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:34.480 But did vincient man think. 191 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:36.720 Like, is this a gamble? Is this not a gamble? 192 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.840 Like what do you think he was trying to put 193 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:42.000 through his brain leaving America for Canada? 194 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:46.159 Well, I think that sure. Was it a gamble, absolutely, 195 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:48.679 especially when you're going to go to another country and 196 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.120 then try and get a massive crowd there, which, uh, 197 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:57.639 you know, sixty five thousand plus was a huge challenge, challenge. 198 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:00.159 But at the same time, you know, think about where 199 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:04.120 we were. You know, business wasn't bad, and this is 200 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:07.799 nineteen ninety we're talking, but they were starting to think okay, 201 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:11.080 and they were used to things. How you know, it 202 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:14.399 kind of went cyclical, it was up and down, and 203 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:15.759 they knew that, you know, we've. 204 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:16.600 Got to start expanding. 205 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:19.480 Canada was a great place to do it because, of course, 206 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:24.480 you know, Canada was huge for professional wrestling across all 207 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.600 of that country. From one end to the other and 208 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:32.120 you had a lot of territories. So yeah, was it 209 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:33.559 a bit of a gamble, yes, but it was a 210 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:36.000 great place to start as far as being international, and 211 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:38.960 it was it was a you know, it was a 212 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:42.120 great event. And they did pack that house. Whether or not, 213 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:43.799 I don't know how many they ended up giving away, 214 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:47.840 but still you get that many people. It shows that 215 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:53.080 the ww E at the time was was very, very popular. 216 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:56.039 So was it a gamble, absolutely, but that's what they 217 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.440 reveled and Vince knew that that's what he had to do. 218 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.679 He had to leap every time with these events, and 219 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:03.440 they just kept paying off. 220 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:06.399 Oh yeah, and the arena is so packed that they 221 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:08.759 elevate the ring just like they did wrestum A three. 222 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:12.200 And then they bring back those motorized wrestling carts to 223 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:14.600 bring you from the front to the back. And I 224 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:16.840 always love those, like I don't know why those are 225 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.080 something that they should have sold us toys for so 226 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:22.399 long and they just didn't like the has bros. Yeah uh, 227 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:26.360 but Warrior and Hogan they decide we're not going to 228 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.879 get on those carts. We're gonna walk war because Warrior 229 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:30.639 his bit is he runs. 230 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:31.759 Really fast in the ring. What the hell is he 231 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:33.720 gonna do? You sit there and do this while he 232 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:35.279 was sitting on a motorized car. 233 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:38.120 Those are a nice little addition to this wrestlming he is, 234 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:41.240 and it's it's a big, big entrance. But Grill mon 235 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.320 Soon and Jesse body Ventura are on commentary and this 236 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:47.879 is their sixth WrestleMania together. And we've talked about how 237 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:51.799 Bobby and Grilla have quite a rapport Jim Ross and 238 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:54.799 Jerry Lawler. But I don't think Jesse and Gorilla get 239 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:59.679 all this credit because Jesse's background as a professional wrestler. 240 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:02.240 I know Gorilla was too, and so is Bobby, but 241 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:05.679 people really knew Jesse as a wrestler versus Bobby and 242 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:08.440 Gorilla as being wrestlers. Depending on your age, I guess 243 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:10.559 what did you think of the Jesse Gorilla combo? 244 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:14.879 Well, you know, at that point, Jesse's history in the 245 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:18.080 ring had really nothing to do with him getting over 246 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.720 as a credible analyst at the time, and that was that, 247 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:27.159 you know, I don't even remember, you know, only ever 248 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:30.480 becoming part of the conversation. And truth be told, he 249 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:34.360 wasn't great in the ring. His gift was his mouth 250 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:38.159 and what and all the way along. I mean, he 251 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:41.679 cut great promos. He knew how to sell, so that 252 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:46.559 was his big selling point. And as we've discussed before, now, 253 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:49.240 nothing against Jesse. I always said that Jesse I thought 254 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.519 was great with Vince. I did. I didn't love the 255 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:56.279 combination of the two of them, but you know they 256 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:59.240 were they did well together. I mean it was a 257 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:03.159 very you know, back and forth, but nothing like you'd 258 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:06.960 see with Bobby and Gorilla. That that the magic that was. 259 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:09.759 But we've gotten used to that team. As far as 260 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:12.000 for the big events was you know, Gorilla and Jesse 261 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:17.519 and uh, you know, uh, Jesse was on top of 262 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:20.200 his game as always. And I always love to hear 263 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:26.600 about people asking about Jesse's prep for events. Now, if 264 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:30.960 you watch the openings to these or they do the 265 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:34.039 little breaks on camera, he would actually you could tell 266 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:36.279 that he worked those, you know that he would. I 267 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:37.879 think he'd said, you know, I've been to all this, 268 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:40.480 I've been to this, I've done this, I've been to fights, 269 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:44.080 but you know, wrestle meanie is the greatest event ever 270 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:47.679 or whatever however he started that and you could tell 271 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:49.840 that was something, you know, that was the actor in him. 272 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.399 But as far as when he sat down to that, 273 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:55.960 to the to the announced booth there, to the to 274 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:59.000 the desk to do the event, that was it, you know. 275 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:00.799 I mean he didn't take notes, he was you know, 276 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:05.519 neither did Bobby. But that was all just you know, 277 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:08.639 go and and Gorilla could do that as well. That's 278 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:12.240 what made him a great play by play guy is 279 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:14.279 that he knew how to get that stuff going with 280 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.320 other people sitting next to him, which is a gift 281 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:18.360 a lot of people don't realize. You know, that's not 282 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:21.440 an easy thing to do, and especially when you're bouncing 283 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:23.000 in between different personalities. 284 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:24.399 But Gorilla was very good at that. 285 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:29.200 But you know, Jesse was you know, great just at 286 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.039 moments you know, like he didn't have as if people 287 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:34.960 know about how a person who was a color analyst 288 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.320 prepares for a football game, you know, or baseball game, 289 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:42.360 they you know, reams of notes. 290 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:43.200 And then you've got. 291 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:45.320 Somebody who was what they call like a spotter or 292 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:47.200 you know, and they they were in your ear and 293 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:49.399 they're giving you little fun facts here and there, or 294 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:51.559 they notice things like that. You get a great guy 295 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:55.360 that he's your your dude. That wasn't the case. It 296 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:58.080 was just Okay, what's happening up there? And I'm really 297 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:00.480 good at doing this and that Jesse. 298 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:03.360 I love how you brought up Jesse the beginning of 299 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:05.559 the Somnia six because he does say that, he's like, 300 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:07.720 I've been to the super Bowl, I've been to the 301 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:11.240 World Series, I've been to the Rolling Stones, but nothing 302 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:14.399 like this at Wrestlingia six. But even before that, you 303 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:18.320 had Vince McMahon doing a voiceover over the of war 304 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:22.240 a Warrior and Cogan and are in the stars in 305 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:26.159 the galaxy far beyond Meetings and he's just going through 306 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:27.879 it and you see like a crab and you see 307 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:31.720 a Zeus and then you see warriors. 308 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:33.399 Yeah, the calstellation of the sky. 309 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.120 I always enjoyed vinsic man voiceover, and this is one 310 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:39.039 of those, uh particular ones. He doesn't scream until the 311 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:46.639 end because he's like, yeah, he's he's pretty would just 312 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.240 keep going, Oh, you gotta go when you lose your 313 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:53.600 voice though. The first matchup of this event is Coco 314 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:56.080 be Where versus Rick the model Martell. For the first 315 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:59.799 person everyone sees at the gate is cocob Where flapping 316 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:00.879 his arms like a bird. 317 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:03.559 And Frankie was there too, yes, of course. 318 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:05.720 Well because Jack Tounny didn't enforce you know, and get 319 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:08.399 rid of animals by ringside. Yet that won't happened until 320 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:11.399 nineteen ninety one. God damn you, President, Jack Tunney. I 321 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:12.360 always will praise you. 322 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:13.039 Yeah. 323 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:16.480 No. And Coco sings on that and his theme song. 324 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:19.240 People know that. I mean Coco had a good voice. 325 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:22.039 He did a lot of gospel. He was, you know, 326 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:25.960 very talented guy. And I've told you about Coco. Coco 327 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:29.320 was one of my favorites just uh, you know, just 328 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:31.720 a great guy. And and I love this, you know 329 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:34.360 when you tell the stories when he first they hooked 330 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:35.279 him up with Frankie. 331 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:39.159 That bird was just nasty as it could be. 332 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:42.080 And you know they're talking about some of the first 333 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:44.039 events went out there and the they got him the 334 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:45.720 and he's supposed to sit on this perch and he 335 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:47.120 does and he falls off and you go over to 336 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:48.120 him and he's like biting you. 337 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:49.399 Ah man. 338 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:54.840 But I love Coco and one of the toughest. 339 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:56.960 People I ever met in my life. Uh. And and 340 00:16:57.039 --> 00:16:59.840 I thought a great a great performer too. 341 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:03.879 And he was only or is only about like about 342 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:08.960 five seven maybe, so he that guy, boy, he could 343 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:11.519 do a lot in that ring. And you know, this 344 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:13.559 matchup I thought was pretty good too, even though he 345 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:17.640 ends up kind of getting squashed in this. But I 346 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:20.440 love Coco. Coco is still to this day one of 347 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:21.079 my favorites. 348 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:21.599 Same. 349 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:24.559 I think it's funny that people think, oh, he has 350 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:26.559 got a bird. It's pretty cool. But you're not thinking like, 351 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:28.720 oh shit, this guy's not a bird trainer. He's a 352 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:29.640 professional wrestler. 353 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:31.920 So here you go. He's a giant parrot. Enjoy yourself. 354 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:33.880 Yeah, it's not like he put the thing in the truck. 355 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:35.680 You know, you gotta take this thing and take care 356 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:35.960 of it. 357 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.599 And do you bring that thing to the hotels with him? 358 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:41.319 Well, yeah, a lot of times when he was traveling. Yeah, 359 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:43.880 sometimes they did have him with him and he'd have 360 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:45.440 to have that thing in the hotel room. 361 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:46.880 And it's rock you know. 362 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:50.240 Like all night long. Imagine sleeping with Coca. Why don't 363 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:52.759 she round with me? No, no, I don't. 364 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:55.160 And I'm sure initially it was like yeah, sure, I 365 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.279 you know, he wants to be it's putting him over 366 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:59.359 and then but then after a while you're like, oh 367 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:00.400 my godness, bird. 368 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.480 So well, yeah, Frankie, you had Matilda. 369 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:06.440 She didn't have a python, right, Steve. I mean, geez, 370 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:07.920 you imagine somebody having to do that. 371 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.920 I would rather. I would rather have the bird. 372 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:14.599 Than have the snake in the bathroom. 373 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:16.200 In the bag. That's just me. 374 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:18.640 I don't I think the snake can you twist around 375 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:19.480 you and kill you? 376 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:21.559 Frankie? The birds most likely going to be stealing your 377 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:22.839 food from you. Maybe he'll kill you. 378 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:24.519 Wouldn't you be sleeping like this? 379 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:27.200 You know I would close it. I would put the 380 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.039 animals in the bathroom and close the door. 381 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:31.240 He did. But you never know, you know. 382 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:33.720 Because you hear all these stories about Jake. How there's 383 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:36.119 not you know, we didn't have just one Damien. We 384 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:39.720 had multiple Damiens over poor reasons of taking care of 385 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:42.160 a snake. I wonder, and I hope not, but there 386 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:44.720 probably was more than one, Frankie, because. 387 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:46.920 Yeah, I was gonna say, I think there was on 388 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:49.119 the road get into But you know those birds, you know, 389 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:54.160 they're very sensitive and uh you know, they get they 390 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:58.480 get sick. So yeah, and when you're taking them all 391 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:01.160 over the place and and then and putting them on 392 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:04.160 planes and that kind of thing, it's ain't good. 393 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:07.559 God, Eh, poor Coco, but he did lose he to 394 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:09.319 Rick and the Model. Mark tell Everyone kind of thought 395 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:11.680 that the Model was gonna fight Tito Santana because the 396 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.240 Strike Force broke up right back but a year now, 397 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.319 so everyone's thinking, Okay, we're gonna get Strike Force finally 398 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:21.400 having a one on one match. They don't. Tito's in 399 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.079 a different match in the evening, maybe a house show. 400 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:27.440 But what's the reasoning you think of not connecting the 401 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:30.680 dots of this seems pretty obvious to have Rick beat 402 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:32.160 Tito or Tito beat Rick. 403 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:34.119 Is it just to keep both of them strong? 404 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.720 Yeah, somebody would have had to go down, and uh yeah, 405 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:40.559 And I think they're trying to push both of them, 406 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:44.400 you know, because the Model a gimmick wasn't that old, 407 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:47.359 and you know they're trying to put him over, and 408 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:50.519 then Tito was starting to get you know, a bit 409 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:54.559 of a push as well. And as always, I love 410 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:56.839 when they give these other guys a little shot to 411 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:00.680 you know, be in that event, and Coco getting on 412 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:02.839 that stage was awesome as well. 413 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:04.400 A nice little payday for him too. 414 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:08.359 Yeah, these early WrestleManias, you can see every single wrestler 415 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:10.759 you ever loved is all together on the card, and 416 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:12.920 I think that's what makes it great about this event. 417 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:16.000 But up next to the tag team titles, you're backstage though, 418 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:18.799 you're interviewing Demolition, and this is one of those fun 419 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:23.279 moments where Demolition keeps talking in puns about they're gonna 420 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:26.240 smash them, but they're gonna hack them, they gonna destroy them. 421 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.279 You know, what was your experience like with Demolition backstage? 422 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:31.240 What are they like as people? 423 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:33.160 Oh? Awesome. 424 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.440 You know, it's funny because a lot of these heel 425 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:39.119 tag teams, you know, they're supposed to be big, mean, nasty, 426 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.240 horrible people, and they were some of the funniest. 427 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:42.119 Guys you ever meet. 428 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:47.039 You know that Led was like that too. You know, 429 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:51.079 Hawk and Animal were just as funny. But you know, 430 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:54.440 Barry and Bill were great as well, and they just 431 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:56.920 kept getting better and better, you know, as a as 432 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:01.440 a tag team, and you start getting that rhythm. And 433 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:05.279 I watched that interview and I try and think back, 434 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:09.559 and it's it's very sketchy to think, you know, try 435 00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:14.400 and pull out those details, but I do remember just 436 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:16.759 how smooth it was with them. They would tell me, 437 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:18.680 you know, what kind of what they were going to do, 438 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:20.960 and I just had to make sure I got the 439 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:21.880 mic in the right place. 440 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:24.480 But I just remember how easy they made it. 441 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:28.559 And I thought, you know, Bill initially had the edge 442 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:30.759 as far as cutting promos, but I thought, you know, 443 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:35.680 Barry became really good as well. And and this that 444 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:39.440 interview that they did for that event was I thought 445 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:42.400 was really good. Like you said, it was loaded with puns, 446 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:45.079 but you know, it all worked it, you know. And 447 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:47.680 I even remember afterwards that Bill saying, you know it 448 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:50.319 was there, did we have enough in there? Enough puns? 449 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:53.160 And there they walk it up. I said, I think 450 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:53.880 you got them all. 451 00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:55.920 Yeah, I think we checked them all off because you 452 00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:58.400 would say it it sounds like a Debligen Derby and 453 00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:00.480 you're like, now you got the and then looking at 454 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:02.880 you like now you get it, Like yeah, got it after. 455 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:03.400 A minute of puns. 456 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:08.000 Yeah, okay, yeah, check got that one too. 457 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:09.039 Uh yeah. 458 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:10.920 And that was some really funny There was a lot 459 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:12.359 of funny stuff in those interviews. 460 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:13.160 Uh. 461 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:18.839 The one with with with Jean and Bobby and what 462 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:21.400 did he call them the colostomy and it was supposed 463 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:28.200 to be the I can't yeah, the colossal connection, and 464 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:32.000 and Bobby's like, what did what did you saying? 465 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:33.039 What are you talking about? 466 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:35.720 And in the end before they go into that and 467 00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:40.319 they said the interview and then Jean's like does the pensive. 468 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:42.599 Yes, did I see you know? 469 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:44.680 And and folks there were there was just there was 470 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:46.759 a lot of inside stuff. 471 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:47.799 Uh. 472 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:51.359 And Jeane was was classic and and got away with 473 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:54.160 so much. But uh, you know, Vince knew what he 474 00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:56.440 did and they let him do it. 475 00:22:57.079 --> 00:22:57.680 Uh. 476 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:00.000 And I'm telling you, I just I love going back 477 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.400 and watching these because to me, that's especially just from 478 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:06.319 where I came from with them, to watch those and 479 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:08.559 it's just to me, it's like watching a great match 480 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:11.599 for me when I see some of the stuff that 481 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:15.400 Jean did with people, and his timing and what he 482 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.240 would say and what he didn't say was worth a 483 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:21.359 thousand words a lot of time. And especially you know 484 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.599 in on the stage there with with Bobby as well. 485 00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:29.160 I mean they were just classic together. Soy, I love 486 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:31.839 going back and watching this stuff and we and there 487 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:34.160 there was so much We'll get into it. But there 488 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.519 was a lot of celebrity presence at these at this event, 489 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:39.960 which is kind of unusual. I was thinking, like, why Toronto. 490 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.559 It wasn't like we're in Los Angeles or Vegas or something, 491 00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:48.200 is it Toronto and all these ofsania. Yeah, yeah, I 492 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:50.759 guess I've got some good stories, though, we'll get to it. 493 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:54.559 There was one celebrity though, They mentioned Jesse on commentary. 494 00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:56.880 You know, jump around for a second, but when Warriors 495 00:23:56.920 --> 00:23:59.920 fight Hogan and Warrior is getting beat down by Hogan, 496 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.839 girls like, you know, ken Hogan sustained this, and Jesse says, well, 497 00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:08.599 ask Richard Bowser if he can sustain this? And I 498 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:11.000 was like, holy shit, Like, isn't that the guy that 499 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:15.000 Hogan choked out before WrestleMania won and then he the 500 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:17.680 sued him for the twenty million dollar Yeah, Belzer for 501 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:20.200 twenty million dollars. I was like, why would you throw 502 00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:21.920 that out there on commentary? 503 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:22.640 Like damn? 504 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:25.000 When I when I heard him say that, I was, oh, 505 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:26.920 I don't think anyone's ever picked this up before until 506 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:29.839 like right now. It just shocked me to hear that 507 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:33.720 they threw out a guy who sued the WWF and 508 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.480 Hulk Cogan for millions of dollars. Yeah, there's Jesse been like, 509 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:39.000 let's just throw in a one line and see if 510 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:39.759 anyone notices. 511 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:43.200 Well, and that getting back to Jesse as I said 512 00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:47.720 he was, he was Jesse, and and you know that 513 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.599 Vince's Backstag's going, oh, I can't believe he said that. 514 00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:57.359 But Jesse said whatever was on his mind, whatever he 515 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:01.599 thought might work or or might create a little you know, 516 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:05.400 tension out there, he would do it. And that was yeah. 517 00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:08.720 I mean I do remember thinking like, oh, you tee, 518 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:12.880 why would you even say that, because such a oh 519 00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:15.680 and it's such a you know, touchy subject anyway, But 520 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.359 that was Jesse, you know, love to love to. 521 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:18.960 Stir it up. 522 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:20.000 That's true. 523 00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:23.960 Umnlesten, though, do win the Taitoo titles back from Andre 524 00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:26.680 and Hakku. Andre really can't do much, so Hokkin's in 525 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:29.359 the ring, and this sets up the scenario of Bobby 526 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:33.359 blaming onto the Giant for the match. Andre slaps Bobby Heenan, 527 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:37.000 setting up the Andre is now a babyface, and this 528 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:40.480 is the end of Andre the giants entering career, because 529 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:43.400 he tries to continue on but it's just not the 530 00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:45.920 same anymore, and he's out. In a year from now, 531 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:48.880 he was on crutches and then in ninety three passes away. 532 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.680 So in reality, did everyone know this was the end 533 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:53.519 of Andre and this was the great moment of let's 534 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.920 turn on babyface one more time and get him that audience. 535 00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:57.000 To cheer him. 536 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.359 Sixty five thousand people cheering for him. Like, is that 537 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:00.400 what this moment was all about? 538 00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:04.599 Well, I don't think they were actually thinking it was 539 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:08.079 the end, but I think that they felt it was. 540 00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:10.799 You know, uh, you know, we have this big stage 541 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:14.920 and we should celebrate him and get him involved. You know, 542 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:17.119 it wasn't something Andrey wanted to go out there and 543 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:22.599 just stand at ringside. But you could see for what 544 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:24.920 he did do in that match, it was it was 545 00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:27.240 hard for him. You know that he was just not 546 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:31.599 he was really heavy at the time and everything I 547 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:35.720 think hurt, especially his back was you could just tell 548 00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.640 by the way he moved. But they did want to 549 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:42.160 get him involved, and you could see that meng or 550 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:46.000 Haku uh, you know, had to take on the vast 551 00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:50.039 majority of the load for that that matchup, but you know, 552 00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:52.640 they still got Andre involved. They'd get him close to 553 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.720 the ropes and he'd get a shot in there. And 554 00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:57.799 then of course all at the end of it and 555 00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:02.960 when it blows up with Bobby andu uh as you know, 556 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.160 he knocks Bobby around, he's had enough. And you know, 557 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:10.440 you watching those and people used to talk about, you know, 558 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:14.559 when Andre really had to watch how when he would 559 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:19.920 you know, smack people, because really you don't understand the 560 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:24.559 you know, the massive strength that he had until he 561 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:28.359 would do something as simple as slap you. And you 562 00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:30.640 could see he didn't want to hurt Bobby. And there's 563 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:32.400 a few of them where he made sure he didn't 564 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:34.200 really even get close, but there were a couple that 565 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:37.359 connected and you could just see that, like you know, 566 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:44.079 and Bobby of course sold it tremendously, but you know, 567 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:46.799 they they had a lot of they had a great 568 00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:50.319 affection for each other. Uh you know, Andre really. 569 00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:54.359 Liked Bobby and uh it, I. 570 00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:56.200 Think everybody was feeling the same way. There was a 571 00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.279 there was a sadness about it all. We didn't know 572 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:00.960 if it was going to be next month, if it 573 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:02.720 was going to be six months. 574 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:03.000 Or a year. 575 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.000 But as you said, it was there was the feeling 576 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:10.920 that the end was coming, and not necessarily his life, 577 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:15.200 but that he couldn't do this anymore. And we've talked 578 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:17.640 before too, as you mentioned that he was on those 579 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:22.480 metal crutches that and basically, you know, it just was. 580 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:25.839 It was almost like he was crawling around and that 581 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:31.440 was really hard to watch too, because Andre didn't have 582 00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:35.319 anything else as far as what his life was really 583 00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:37.640 focused on. I'm not saying he didn't have another life. 584 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:39.119 You know, he had that horse ranch. He used to 585 00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:44.640 love to go there, but this was his life and 586 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:50.839 when it was over, and you know, Vince had a 587 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.000 it was was very much torn in this in the 588 00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.759 fact that he didn't know, you know, how to do it. 589 00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.079 I think that you know, you've heard about there was 590 00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.519 kind of this riff between Andrea and Vince at the 591 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:06.799 end there. But Vince didn't want to see him basically 592 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.599 humiliated or him you know, people seeing him fail. But 593 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:14.400 Andre didn't want to go away either. That's what he 594 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.039 loved being backstage. He loved playing cards with the guys, 595 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:20.359 he loved being around that whole atmosphere. 596 00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:24.240 But he just physically couldn't do it anymore. 597 00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:26.920 And so I think it was very hard for Vince 598 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:31.440 because he knew he owed a lot to Andrea, especially 599 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:35.440 in the early years and and Andre helping put over 600 00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:39.160 that whole organization. But at the same time, do you 601 00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:42.279 sit there and let that happen, you know, and I 602 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:46.480 don't think Vince wanted to see that happen, and and 603 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:48.039 you know what could he say? 604 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:50.319 And so I think that he endured. 605 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:55.000 That that Andre, you know, being upset with him and 606 00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.839 feeling he'd been betrayed, but knew, I I just can't 607 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:01.839 let this happen to even if he doesn't realize it. 608 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.039 Well, Andre the Giant is the first person ever inducted 609 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:09.079 into the WWF Hall of Fame, So even if there 610 00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:11.319 was a rift at the end, unfortunately Andre didn't know 611 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:13.400 that he was going to be the first name inducted 612 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:15.960 into this Hall of Fame that now has carried the 613 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:17.799 weight of so many different names and over the years 614 00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:19.519 people either love the Hall of Fame or hate the 615 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:22.680 Hall of Fame. But when it was initially created, it 616 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:25.079 put in the right person first, and that was Andre 617 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:28.079 the Giant. And he did leave for WCW towards the 618 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.200 end of his life, and that created it. 619 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.799 Even a bigger rift, and that was the end. You know, 620 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:33.559 it passes away. 621 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:36.480 And we talked about on our Demolition podcast though about 622 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:41.960 how Demolition being given the nod to work with Andre, 623 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:44.920 because think about the people who did before, Macho Man, 624 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.240 Ultimate Warrior, Jake the sneak Hulk Coogan. You don't really 625 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.519 hear many other people getting to work with Andre, especially 626 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:54.319 around this time, and Demolition got the opportunity to do it. 627 00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:56.960 So I think it's pretty awesome to see that Demolition 628 00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.759 was such a popular tag team. They're like, all right, well, 629 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:01.799 Andre can work with him. And I know Andre was 630 00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.119 friends with them as well, So it was just a 631 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:05.440 nice cap off. 632 00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:06.599 At the end of having. 633 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:11.599 Andre in the little ring, he's waving to the audience. 634 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:14.920 The audience's crazy form, sixty five thousand people cheering form. 635 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.200 It was a great sendoff for Wrestmania six for him. Unfortunately, 636 00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:20.359 what happened at the end is you know, life happens. 637 00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.599 But Hercules versus Earthquake is up next. Both men are 638 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:27.519 sort of undefeated around this time, and Earthquake has a 639 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:29.720 record of beating thirty men in a row, and now 640 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:31.279 he just defeats Hercules. 641 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:31.720 Here. 642 00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.319 Now, Hercules, I have a question for you about Hercules, 643 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.880 because he always confused me because sometimes he pretends he's Hercules, 644 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:42.720 He's you know, lives living on a Mount Olympus. Other 645 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:48.279 times he pretends he's Hercules Hernandez his heritage. I'm so 646 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:50.559 confused sometimes on who is Hercules? 647 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.359 Is he the iss Zeus is dead? 648 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.119 Is he just a wrestler earl's named Hercules with the chains? 649 00:31:57.720 --> 00:31:59.519 What were your thoughts in Hercules? 650 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.200 Well, I think and to me he was always Hercules 651 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:04.359 the god. 652 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:07.160 They yeah, and. 653 00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:11.759 Of course they went back to when it came down 654 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:13.640 to it, when it came got down to, you know, 655 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:17.480 being down and dirty, he became Hercules Hernandez bunny when 656 00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.440 it came out to that ring though, with the chains 657 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:24.079 and everything like that, and overall, yeah, he was supposed 658 00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:30.200 to be the Greek god and uh, you know, argue 659 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.839 one way or the other if he filled that role, 660 00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:36.440 But it was a good gimmick for him, and you 661 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.119 know he was He was quite the strong man in 662 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:39.680 real life. 663 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:41.680 There was no question about that. 664 00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.319 So you know, the gimmick fit him. But I think 665 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.440 when it came down to it, he was most comfortable 666 00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:52.640 as Hercules Hernandez and just mixing it up in the ring. 667 00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.279 All right, because sometimes he'd be like, I live on 668 00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:56.359 mont Olympuss. 669 00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.119 You get back to your gimmick, Ray come out. 670 00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.400 I don't know, are you in power and glory now? 671 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.319 So when you're in powering glory, are you still Zeus. 672 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.359 I never understood sometimes where it was dropped and brought 673 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:09.559 up again, but that's just me nitpicking, I guess. But 674 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:13.240 earthquake defeats Hercules here, which again in the next paper 675 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:18.000 view SummerSlam nineteen ninety would be Earthquake against Hulk Cogan, 676 00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:19.440 and so it's really nice to see that ear. 677 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:21.839 Yeah, they're putting him over, no question about it. And 678 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.880 you know, Hercules is a great guy to put in 679 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:28.359 the ring against him for, you know, to make it happen. 680 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.680 And this is that whole thing that he's an unstoppable 681 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:35.119 force that you know, when earthquake's in there and he 682 00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:36.599 squashes you, it's over. 683 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:37.559 It is over. 684 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.799 And I'm surprised because he used to be the Canadian earthquake, 685 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.279 so this audience would have been like, yeah. 686 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:43.920 We're in Canada earthquake. 687 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:47.480 There is some questionable things about patriotism in this because 688 00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:49.079 it's the most celebrities for a minute. 689 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:50.519 So we don't have America the Beautiful. 690 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:54.359 We have Robert Goulay starting off Restmania six singing. 691 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:59.359 Oh so we get that well. 692 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:02.480 We also have Steve Allen, we have Mary Tyler Moore here, 693 00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:05.920 we have Rona Barrett, so we have all these celebrities, 694 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:07.720 and let's go through them for a little bit, because 695 00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:11.360 some people who are listening to this may be like, who. So, uh, 696 00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:16.119 Mary Tellimore, you were in the audience asking fans about 697 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.559 Rhythmon Blues about to sing their new song Honka Honk 698 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.039 hunkle Love three honkers. You've been pointing us out to 699 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:23.000 us a couple of times. 700 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:25.760 And you give you this one kid, and you're like, so, kid, 701 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:26.320 how you doing you? 702 00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:26.480 Like? 703 00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.440 I don't like it? Like do you know those nameless songs? 704 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:30.039 Now? 705 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:31.119 They stink? All right? 706 00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:33.880 You move on to another person behind Mary Telling Moore, 707 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.679 and you interview her, and I'm gonna tell you she 708 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.199 was sitting in front row, but she also looked like 709 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:45.440 a deer in headlights. Now for you, you're supposed to 710 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.880 be interviewing her about WrestleMania, about Rhythmon Blues, about all 711 00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:49.400 this stuff. 712 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:51.719 But are some celebrities just clueless and they're just here 713 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:52.519 for a paycheck? 714 00:34:55.239 --> 00:35:00.159 Yeah? I uh, well, it's funny you mentioned that because, uh, 715 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:04.400 Mary Tyler Moore, you know I grew up watching her shows. 716 00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:07.039 I mean I with the you know, Dick Van Dyke 717 00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:11.639 that show, and then also the Mary Tyler Moore show, 718 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:15.599 the one that she had where and and so, you know, 719 00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:19.599 I was thrilled to even meet her, but there was 720 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:24.719 no chance to get together before and say, Okay, this 721 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:26.039 is what I want to do, this is what we're 722 00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:26.400 gonna do. 723 00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:27.480 Like her people, it. 724 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.719 Just wasn't gonna happen. And I think she was there 725 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:32.840 with her husband at the time. I don't know if 726 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:35.400 they stayed married, I don't know, but he was with her, 727 00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:37.679 and it was just kind of like, Okay, you know, 728 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:39.360 we had the spotters in there and the camera they 729 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:42.239 so you're gonna go over there and I'm working, you know, 730 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:43.719 like you said, I talked to a kid, So that 731 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.000 was kind of planted to go. You know, I'm gonna 732 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:47.239 start here and they're gonna go there and gonna get 733 00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:51.039 to marry. Oh it's Mary Tyler Moore. Hey. And seriously, 734 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:55.719 I wondered, have you ever seen anything that we've done? 735 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.599 You know, and why why did you come? I don't know. 736 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.199 Maybe maybe her husband was a big wrestling fan. I 737 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:05.639 don't know, but as he said everything I said, so 738 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.360 you know, what do you think about that? Yeah? They 739 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:13.199 are great, cause it was you know, I don't know 740 00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.039 if any of her answers were more than five seconds long, 741 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:18.719 and I'm still trying to push it. And then I 742 00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:21.960 just remember, you know, Kerwin in my ear like okay, 743 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:26.679 wrap it, get out of there, like she's not gonna 744 00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:29.559 work with us here. I did everything I can, but 745 00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.719 it was still it was it was cool to interview 746 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.119 Mary Tyler Moore because you know, I just remember watching 747 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:37.000 her as a kid. 748 00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:42.840 So but that was certainly an interesting encounter. 749 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.639 But that goes to show when they just have I 750 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:48.079 wish that I would have gotten a chance to just 751 00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.480 doing a side with her and say, look, Mary, I'm 752 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.599 gonna ask you about this, and she said, I don't 753 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:56.159 know who he is, and I'll say, well, I would 754 00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:59.400 have given her some some points, you know, or something. 755 00:36:59.039 --> 00:36:59.840 To say to help. 756 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.559 But it is she just looked like and even like 757 00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:04.440 you said, deer in headlights, because the eyes were even 758 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:05.360 kind of like, oh, well. 759 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.840 It's great to be here, is it? 760 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:10.519 Though? Yeah, I don't know. 761 00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:14.320 But I wanted to let's talk about Robert Gulay because 762 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.880 Robert Gulays an interesting story too. Now, him singing the 763 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.199 Canadian national anthem is not a big stretch because he 764 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:26.800 wasn't a Canadian, but was you know, had lived in 765 00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:28.800 Canada for a long time and had I think his 766 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:33.199 parents were French Canadian, so he had that connection anyway. 767 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.119 But what's interesting here now, I don't know if people remember, 768 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:41.719 but in nineteen sixty five, Robert Gulay sang the national 769 00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:45.719 anthem for the Muhammad Ali Sonny Listen fight, and he 770 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:51.159 booted the lyrics and you know, like I said, he 771 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.079 was more Canadian than he was American, and he didn't 772 00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:56.880 get the lyrics down. He claimed that, you know, he 773 00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.639 he was tired, he didn't have a chance to learn 774 00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:03.760 the lyric excellent, how does a ha? And he booted him. 775 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.159 So I think it was like this stigma with him 776 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.360 to ever sing. I don't think he'd sung it sung 777 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.280 anthems at places ever since then. And so when they 778 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:18.000 contacted his people and he didn't want to do whatever, 779 00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:20.360 and they see and I think what it came down 780 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.679 to it is because he didn't want to have another 781 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.880 experience like that. Well what they told him was, look, 782 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.159 we've got these screens up all over the arena and 783 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:33.159 we're going to put the words up basically, have a 784 00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:36.480 teleprompter up there. And I would have you know, I 785 00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:40.280 think he probably knew the Canadian national anthem, but if 786 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:43.519 anything glitched, they were going to be right there. The 787 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.920 words are going to be right there. So he agrees 788 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:50.639 to do it and freaking nails it. And I remember 789 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:55.039 seeing him backstage. He was freaking ecstatic because I think 790 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:56.760 it was one of those things with him, you know, 791 00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:59.360 that had you know, if you if you've ever had 792 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:03.519 something that you totally screwed up and then you get 793 00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:05.519 another shot at it and then you fix it, and 794 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.800 then you go, Okay, now I can finally put this 795 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.639 frickin thing out of my brain. And I think that's 796 00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:13.199 what it was for him. And then to have that, 797 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.880 you know, be in front of that audience, and I'm 798 00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:18.679 telling you, man, that guy was just beaming. 799 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:20.320 He was so happy. 800 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.559 And that's what I remember thinking that, you know, because 801 00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:25.400 we'd all had a dog like that, you know, and 802 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:26.880 I finally get to let that one go. 803 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:34.559 So that was my Robert Gulay memory. Steve Allen. 804 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:40.480 Now was another great moment, if you if everyone remembered 805 00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:43.559 that Steve Allen is in the locker room in the 806 00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:47.199 shower for the acoustic They got a whole grand piano 807 00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:54.199 in there, and they got Nikolai and Boris in the 808 00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:58.280 shower and he's going to sing the Russian national anthem. 809 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.920 And of course Steve Allen if anybody remembers who he was, 810 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.400 he was a very famous talk show host and comedian 811 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:10.079 and was kind of the first Johnny Carson. And I 812 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:12.280 don't know, you know, you think about some of these 813 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:16.679 people together are just so random, like Allen, where has 814 00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:20.079 he been? But he does this bit with him and 815 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.480 I'll tell you right now, Nick Lai and Boris had 816 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.039 they didn't have a freaking who. They don't know who 817 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:29.559 Steve Allen is, and they're just rolling with it. And 818 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:33.199 I just thought that was the funniest thing. I remember 819 00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:36.320 looking at it again and I still think it's hilarious 820 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.880 because he's, you know, he's totally goofing on them and 821 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:42.000 they don't they don't know what's going on. And I 822 00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:45.280 also remember my other member of Steve Allen is that 823 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:52.519 the makeup styleist person that the w W he had, Jill, 824 00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:54.280 and I can't remember her last name, but she was 825 00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:59.119 she worked at Hamilton and they brought her to, you know, 826 00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:02.519 the for the event to do hair and makeup for people. 827 00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:07.159 And I remember her telling me that Steve Allen's people 828 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:11.840 had sent her basically this binder that was pages long 829 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:18.480 on how to put his two pey on. Just now, 830 00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:20.360 that's a fun fact that I don't know, but I 831 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:22.840 just remember telling me and looking at this thing of 832 00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:25.880 you know, you put the glue here and then it's set, 833 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:28.440 and I'm thinking, if I got a hair piece, man, 834 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.280 I'm the one putting that thing on. Yes, But but 835 00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:35.000 they had a whole thing of how his makeup and 836 00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:38.679 how his hair piece went on for this That still, 837 00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:41.480 to me though, was one of the greatest WrestleMania moments. 838 00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:45.239 Is Steve Allen in the shower with Nicola Ion. 839 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.639 Boris was about to sing too, and finally he's joking 840 00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:50.039 with him the whole time that I know, when someone 841 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.480 flushes the toilet, right and then. 842 00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:56.719 Screaming about someone. 843 00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.920 And you know, Vince loved that, he'd love that toilet humor. 844 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:04.679 And it did. It worked, it was and I and 845 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.639 I think they did that like in one take. You know, 846 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.559 Steve Allen was very good, and of course Boris and 847 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:12.199 nicol I didn't have to do a whole hell of 848 00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:16.880 a lot except you know, react, But uh yeah, classic 849 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.760 classic wrestle Moonia WrestleMania moments, and I think Steve Allen 850 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:20.679 he's in the Hall of Fame. 851 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:24.199 I think, oh, I don't know, maybe possibly, you know, 852 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:25.320 there's a few he should be. 853 00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:27.800 If he's not, there's a few people. Let's get that 854 00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:28.599 going now, you know. 855 00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.719 But it was an interesting that a whole collection of 856 00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:35.480 celebrities you think about it over the years, Uh, you 857 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:38.840 know just how random. I mean we had Liberachi and 858 00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:43.440 uh you Bob Buker and yeah, but hey. 859 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.599 Mary Hart I think was there. You had Iral. 860 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.519 Ones, Oh yeah, and Roda Barrett was at this. We 861 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:51.639 were talking before and you had no idea who Rota 862 00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.719 Bartt was. Well, because I'm old, I remember that she 863 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.360 was one of the original uh you know, the gossip 864 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:03.119 columnists who actually made the transition to television. And she 865 00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:06.079 would she was kind of before Entertainment Tonight and she 866 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:08.559 would go on and you know, this celebrity gossip. So 867 00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:12.519 that's why she ended up. She was there to interview Elizabeth. 868 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:14.719 Okay, okay, yeah, she puts over Liz Hard where she's like, 869 00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:18.440 I've interviewed celebrities and musicians, but you, you know, you 870 00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:20.280 are the You're the greatest one interviewed. 871 00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:23.840 Yeah, Marilyn Monroe, not close, Miss. 872 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:25.960 Elizabeth, Miss Elizabeth. Yeah, it's pretty funny. 873 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.039 They did bring Steve Allen on commentary during one match 874 00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.159 and he flaught to acknowledge that this is the greatest thing 875 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:33.599 he's ever seen in his life, and yeah, he's probably 876 00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:34.360 I don't know what's going on. 877 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:35.960 I'm up here in the rafter who Jesse. 878 00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:37.960 He should have been sitting next to Mary Tyler Moore. 879 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:39.559 They could have both been. 880 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:42.960 Clueless to the great show I'm having. 881 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:47.280 He did and he appreciated entertainment. So I'm sure that 882 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.800 that was genuine from Steve Allen and he was classic. 883 00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:54.000 I mean that was that was phenomenal to have somebody 884 00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:56.559 like that who was really an icon in television hea'ts 885 00:43:56.639 --> 00:44:00.320 you know, was one of the originals and started and 886 00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:05.039 helped shape that whole concept of talk of night talk shows. 887 00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:07.719 Wow again, people don't give you know, in today's world 888 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:12.679 where you have certain talk shows ending or being not 889 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.119 once they used to because before you'd have a celebrity 890 00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:19.199 get interviewed by Steve Allen, for instance, Well, the only 891 00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:21.360 way to know what that celebrity was doing was to 892 00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:24.400 watch these interviews or read a magazine article Now I 893 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:26.960 can go on social media and figure out what John 894 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.760 Cena ate for breakfast today instead of watching him on 895 00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.559 a late night talk show, because I don't need to 896 00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:33.920 wait untill eleven thirty to watch him. I can figure 897 00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:37.119 out what's happening in his life instantly with social media, 898 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.000 with online So it's changed. But yeah, that's a weird 899 00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:42.639 crop of celebrities because you said, over the years, you've 900 00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:43.880 had people who are very topical. 901 00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.599 They've had people who are very bring the youth movement. 902 00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:50.159 In this group of people, I'm not sure what celebrities. 903 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.400 The combo of it was like, take a dart, throw 904 00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:53.880 the wall. 905 00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:55.920 Yeah, some celebrities and see what we can bring in. 906 00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.760 Nothing wrong with them, but it was a little strange. 907 00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.719 Moving on, though, Perfect to Govern ms Bubber Beefcake. We 908 00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:05.639 did Mister Perfect podcast. We talked about his career, and 909 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:09.960 I flat out suggested that Beefcake defeated Perfect Tear because 910 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:14.280 of Hult Cogland's political influence. Maybe I have no facts, 911 00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:16.719 These are just opinions and conspiracy theories with my tinfoil 912 00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:19.239 hat on. But yet it is a good match. But 913 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.239 what happens at the end is a genius gets knocked out, 914 00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.440 he gets put in the sleeper hold. Who the genius is, 915 00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.920 mister a perfect manager. Well, he's supposed to be knocked out, 916 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.000 so he can't just get up and walk away with 917 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:31.679 things that going the way he doesn't want them to. 918 00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:35.639 Beefcakes gots shaving off the Genius's hair. Well, if you 919 00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:37.840 don't know, the Genius, Lenny Pofo is the brother of 920 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:40.920 the macho man Rainey Savage, according to the rumors. After 921 00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:45.199 this happens, Macha Mango is backstage to confront Bruce Piefcake 922 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.119 about pretty much doing whatever he wanted to do to 923 00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:50.480 his brother in front of sixty five thousand people because 924 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:52.239 his brother was selling that he got put out with 925 00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:52.920 a sleeper hole. 926 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:54.400 Did you hear anything about this? 927 00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:58.760 Well, you know, it was just everything about that match 928 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:01.639 to me was kind of stre change and and forced 929 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:06.159 in a sense, and uh, it wasn't it wasn't a 930 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:10.280 bad match. You know, Brutus, Brutus could go. He of 931 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.119 course had that connection to the Holkster and that never 932 00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:18.000 that idea and basically you say, nepotism and a sense 933 00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:21.360 that gave him a loud of opportunities. But you know, uh, 934 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.599 you know Brutus was was h was good in his 935 00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:28.360 own right, It's just that that stigma stayed with him. 936 00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.360 But overall, I mean it was it was a good match. 937 00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.599 But as we mentioned before, you know, what was the 938 00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:40.079 Genius doing with mister Perfect? I still like what It 939 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:44.199 just doesn't make any sense. Kurt didn't need anybody with 940 00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:48.239 him at all, and so was it a sense just 941 00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:51.400 to keep Lanny working? And uh, you know part of 942 00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:55.440 the mix there maybe, but you could see at the 943 00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:57.679 end of that thing, and I'm sure Kurt made it 944 00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:02.039 very clear up front, I'll do this, but that that 945 00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:04.800 guy is not cutting my hair. It's just not happening. 946 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:08.840 So uh, as you see what takes place is you know, 947 00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:13.400 Kurt gets knocked out, basically hits the the ring post 948 00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:14.559 and gets knocked out. 949 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:16.360 Brutus gets the cover. 950 00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:23.239 And then he's gonna cut mister Perfect's hair. Uh. In 951 00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:26.360 the meantime, like the Genius goes over and steals the shears, 952 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.159 and it gives mister Perfect the opportunity to get the 953 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:33.440 scoot out of the ring. And when he chases down Lanny, 954 00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:35.760 uh uh oh, what's gonna happen? 955 00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:36.000 Now? 956 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:37.559 I thought it was funny though when he gets him 957 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:39.400 back in the ring, he's gonna start cutting his hair. 958 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:42.920 He's already got a really bad haircut. Anyway, if you 959 00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:44.679 did you look at that at. 960 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.400 The Royal Rumboldt Beef Carty did this to Genius a 961 00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:48.079 little bit so. 962 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:56.039 But to me, it was just shenanigans. That's what I 963 00:47:56.119 --> 00:47:59.079 used used to say, you know, just what what shenanigans 964 00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.360 are we gonna do here? And that's what that was 965 00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:05.360 at the end of it. And I don't know, I 966 00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:10.119 don't want to say it soiled the match, but it 967 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.360 just was shenanigans as far as I was concerned. Remember 968 00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:17.760 that word, their sonigans. That's what they're doing in there 969 00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:19.800 at the end of it. You got a good match 970 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.199 and then you do your shenanigans. I don't like it 971 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:23.840 one bit. 972 00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:27.239 I didn't think you could get impressions and accents today 973 00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:28.159 on russelling is six. 974 00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:30.079 But here we are in Canada. Where's your Canadian? 975 00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:31.559 Never know what you're gonna get from Mooney. 976 00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:34.199 That's true, that's true. Uh, it's just funny though. 977 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:36.440 Over the years you've heard Savage always protecting his brother, 978 00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:39.400 even in WCW where Lenny Poffo never had one match, 979 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:42.719 but over lawsuits, contracts came out and it was revealed 980 00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:46.079 that Lenny Papa was getting over one hundred thousand dollars 981 00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:48.000 a year in WW for two years. 982 00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:49.480 He didn't wrestle one match. 983 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:56.679 Eric Eric Bischoff, though, has clarified that Macho Man when 984 00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:58.519 he Savage was such a good brother, he took the 985 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:02.519 money out of his own contract and gave it to Lenny. Now, 986 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:04.639 I don't even know how it is on a lawyer speak, 987 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:08.400 I'm not sure that's even possible, but somehow erk Bershov 988 00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:11.199 says so. In reality, I don't know, but if Beefcake 989 00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:15.199 took advantage of the genius and in backstage match him 990 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.159 in and is in Beefcake's face about this, it's like, well, buddy, 991 00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:20.800 your guy's a crony. Like you're talking about a totem pole. 992 00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:23.760 He's on the bottom. Like getting his head shaved is 993 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.960 one thing. He's someone else can get their head shaved too, 994 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:27.800 Like calm yourself, mm hmm. 995 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.679 Yeah. And you know, look, come on, let's uh, let's 996 00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:37.519 give credit here or just understanding that Lenny was Randy's 997 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:43.559 brother and they came up together through the family and 998 00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:47.559 his you know, their father had a little territory and 999 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:53.679 they were close. Uh so, yeah, I appreciated the fact 1000 00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:55.480 that he wanted to take care of his brother. And 1001 00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:57.880 I felt like in a lot of instances, you know, 1002 00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:00.000 these guys work their ass off and they do deliver 1003 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:02.599 and bring a lot of money into the company, and 1004 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:06.760 if you can help take care of somebody else that's 1005 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:10.039 with you along for that ride, why not. And it 1006 00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:13.239 wasn't as though, you know, Lanny wasn't uh you know, 1007 00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.639 worthless or something like that. I mean, he could do 1008 00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:19.960 a lot of things in the ring, and so yeah, 1009 00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:21.519 I didn't really have a problem with it. And if 1010 00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:24.960 they go down WCW and and where everybody was getting 1011 00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:29.760 that cash grab, sure, then good good for Lanny. I'm 1012 00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:30.840 glad that that happened. 1013 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:32.159 That's a good point too. 1014 00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:35.039 Before this matchup, though, you did get to interview Bruce 1015 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.760 A Barbara Beefcake backstage and you're holding the You're holding 1016 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.199 a piece of paper and Beefcake's like it has these 1017 00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:46.599 giant hedge clippers and he's he's sitting there talking about 1018 00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:48.760 mister perfect, how he has this perfect record. I've been 1019 00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:51.679 looking at his record, Mooney, and he's got a perfect record. 1020 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.559 But tonight and he's cutting it. Your hand is I 1021 00:50:54.679 --> 00:51:00.400 know right there? I just giant. He seems like, sir, sir, 1022 00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:01.639 I like my fingers. 1023 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.639 I could have those things were you know, he had 1024 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:08.400 those things sharp. Really wanted to be able to cut 1025 00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:11.000 the paper that would have taken if you click. 1026 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.159 Gotta look at him like, dude, due my mullet, don't 1027 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:15.840 cut And I. 1028 00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:17.840 Don't think and I don't remember, tell me I'm going 1029 00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:18.360 to do that. 1030 00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:21.360 I don't. Maybe maybe I'm sure maybe he did it 1031 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.519 because uh, you know, I I if you see, I've 1032 00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:26.519 got like the paper, I'm holding it as about as 1033 00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:30.599 far into the thing of like before it falls out 1034 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:34.880 of my hand. But yeah, yeah, that was uh uh 1035 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.960 you know, an uncomfortable moment. I guess you could say, yeah, 1036 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:42.920 I didn't want to lose. I wanted to keep my digits. 1037 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.400 He still got him, so good for you. 1038 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.000 Next up, we talked about a whole hour about this event, 1039 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:53.960 and this topic has ruined my YouTube channel for a 1040 00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:56.039 little bit, and so we'll just say. 1041 00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:57.800 Ronie Piper's back, let's not talk about it. 1042 00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:01.920 Missing from the broad cast on the ww vault YouTube 1043 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:04.199 channelist is where I watched this the other day, because 1044 00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:04.880 you know, Peacock. 1045 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:05.480 It's everywhere. 1046 00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:08.039 But the controversy around this is the you know, the 1047 00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:08.960 black face paint. 1048 00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:11.440 And the funny rib though, is how. 1049 00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:15.159 After this, where Piper is going backstage, you get the 1050 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.360 solution to get the paint off because he didn't want 1051 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:19.360 it to come off while he was sweating in the ring. Well, 1052 00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:23.199 Andre and Arnold Scroland remove the solution, put water in there, 1053 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:24.760 so it does not work. 1054 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:27.199 So Piper has to go around with. 1055 00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:30.159 This makeup on his body for at least a few weeks. 1056 00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:33.199 And we did a whole podcast about it and almost 1057 00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:35.599 got canceled for it. So we're going to move on, 1058 00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:38.599 Move on, move on. If you want to hear about that, 1059 00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:40.559 it's up there and enjoyed that. 1060 00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:41.639 It needs to get paid. 1061 00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:45.679 Yeah, I gotta get paid YouTube. Someone complains. Fun fact 1062 00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:48.760 behind the curtain, folks, someone complained about this, and that's 1063 00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:51.559 why we got demonetize on YouTube for a little bit. 1064 00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.519 So moving on, moving on to st But it just 1065 00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.760 shows you how even to this day, it's a very 1066 00:52:57.800 --> 00:52:58.760 sensitive subject. 1067 00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:03.159 Yes, agreed, I you know I next when I was 1068 00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:04.760 looking for controversy. 1069 00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:06.719 I found it and it found me. So that's what. Okay, 1070 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:08.559 that was my fault. That's my fault. 1071 00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:11.639 A Heart Foundation take on the Bolsheviks and their Steve 1072 00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:18.400 Allen segment lasted longer than their actual match. I think 1073 00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:21.000 you're right eighteen seconds this match last. 1074 00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:22.440 Ye, well it did last longer. 1075 00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:24.039 Yeah, Nadian heroes. 1076 00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:28.000 Brett Hart is here, and it's just funny because years 1077 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:29.639 ago one where Brett would come out with the Canadian 1078 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.639 flag and be so pro Canadian. Here it's like they 1079 00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:36.280 just it's not really a thing. They're not really leaning into. 1080 00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:40.079 Hey he's from Canada, yet, why not promote that he's 1081 00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:43.280 from Canada, like really like your hometown heroes. 1082 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:47.880 Yeah. Yeah, that's a very interesting point. You would have 1083 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:49.679 thought they would have sold that thing, you would have 1084 00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:54.039 come out there, but yeah, it was like sole focus 1085 00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:59.159 on Heart Foundation and what they're doing now. It's interesting though, 1086 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.159 because you know, you talk about the territories there and 1087 00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:04.599 a lot of people there like separate countries from where 1088 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:06.760 where you're from, and some of them, you know, are 1089 00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:11.119 heavily like Montreal like that French Canadian, and you know 1090 00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:13.679 other places are different. So I don't know what they're 1091 00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:18.960 thinking was but yeah, that was kind of surprising to 1092 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:22.719 me too. But it was like we saw. This was 1093 00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:28.440 like a very quick whole segment for the show. You know, 1094 00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:29.440 the boom, it's over. 1095 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:34.000 So and her Foundation haven't had the tag team title 1096 00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:36.880 since October of nineteen eighty seven, and they will regain 1097 00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:40.679 it at Summer Slam nineteen ninety defeating the Heel Demolition 1098 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:43.559 with Crush along their side and the introduction of Legion 1099 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:43.920 to Doom. 1100 00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.079 So I think this is really just like, all right, 1101 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:48.320 let's get them out there. It's WrestleMania. We got to 1102 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:49.360 put everybody on this card. 1103 00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:53.119 So you're here beat them in eighteen seconds because I'm 1104 00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:55.480 nothing against Nikolai in the Bolsheviks. 1105 00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:58.119 But did you want to see the match go longer 1106 00:54:58.159 --> 00:54:59.400 than eighteen seconds? 1107 00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:01.719 Yeah? I was fine. 1108 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:05.840 I was yeah, I was fine with just moving past that. 1109 00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:08.280 There much more entertaining in the shower. 1110 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:13.000 Yes, yes, yes, I agree. 1111 00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:13.599 No. 1112 00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.119 We talked about earlier how Rick de Martin Martell did 1113 00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:19.079 not fight Tito Santana at this event strike for us 1114 00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:21.400 because we thought each man should level up and have 1115 00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.440 a win. Well, the model wins is match. The next 1116 00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:28.840 step is Tito Santana resus the Barbarian. Barbarian beats Tito 1117 00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:31.079 Santana with the top rope clothesline, which I think is 1118 00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:34.239 always perfect because that's really something you didn't see in 1119 00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:38.679 the early nineties or in the eighties. Why this random 1120 00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:41.000 up and down with Tito, Because I always thought Tito 1121 00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:43.480 was so popular, but yet maybe he was so popular 1122 00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:45.320 it didn't matter for you if he won or lost. 1123 00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:52.159 Yeah, and I love Tito, you know that. But he 1124 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:54.239 was just one of those guys that you could never 1125 00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:59.840 get past mid card. You know, he just it's try 1126 00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:02.920 and they did. They did big pushes, they tried with 1127 00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:06.559 you know, the Matador and everything like that. Uh, but 1128 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:09.960 people loved them, they did, you know. I mean, I 1129 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.480 don't think you could find anybody in an arena and say, 1130 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:14.599 you know, what do you think of Tito Santana's say 1131 00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:16.519 I hate that ger. I think he's not you know, 1132 00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:19.159 everybody loved them. It's just that they they only loved 1133 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.079 him so much, you know, like it wasn't where they 1134 00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:24.519 wanted to see him, uh, you know, at the top 1135 00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:29.239 for some reason. You know, as as we've talked about 1136 00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:33.679 many other superstars that just don't they just don't have 1137 00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:38.320 that it thing. And uh so what you do is, 1138 00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:40.320 you know you love them because they're such great workers. 1139 00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:41.960 They're so devoted to what they do. 1140 00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:47.079 They're very entertaining, they're popular, and so they can help. 1141 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:48.960 Us put other guys over. 1142 00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:55.119 Point and uh yeah, and and barb was another, you know, 1143 00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:58.440 uh a guy at the time like he you know, 1144 00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.039 he like you said, come off top rope doing a 1145 00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:03.400 He could do a lot of things in there and 1146 00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:09.280 just you know, one of those nasty performers. But he 1147 00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:11.480 always had he had to have somebody else with him. Man. 1148 00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:14.800 That's why Bobby was, you know, his manager and everything 1149 00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:17.519 like that. And so there's only so much you can 1150 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:21.199 do with the guy like that. But you know, this 1151 00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.239 day they he was the one that went over Yeah. 1152 00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:27.480 And then you know, earlier in this year of nineteen ninety, 1153 00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:30.440 Missafuji was the manager of the Warlord and the Barbarian 1154 00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:34.400 the Powers of Pain. While he sells those contracts individuals. 1155 00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:39.280 The Warlord goes with Slick, Barbarian goes with Bobby Heenan. No, 1156 00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:41.880 I didn't really ever see a problem with Powers of Pain, 1157 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.440 Like why was it Legion and Dooma is coming in? 1158 00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:47.320 So should break up the team that sort of looks 1159 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:49.320 the most like them? 1160 00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.639 Yeah, I don't know, I mean because remember at the time, 1161 00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.280 there was plenty of room for tag teams and whether 1162 00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:57.960 or not they you know, gain big pushes or not, 1163 00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:00.880 but they were they were, you know, funkal tools in 1164 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:05.039 the and the whole tag team operation that was going 1165 00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:07.760 on at the time. I just think that they felt 1166 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:10.880 it wasn't really it wasn't getting over uh, you know, 1167 00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:13.480 so let's let's split him up and see if they 1168 00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:18.199 can do something in singles competition. And one of the 1169 00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:24.960 things with you know, like having Barbarian with with mister Fuji, 1170 00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:29.159 you know, uh wasn't a great combination. 1171 00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:33.239 And mister Fuji could do what he did, but he still. 1172 00:58:33.079 --> 00:58:36.920 Wasn't as far as an orator, uh as you know 1173 00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:39.679 with interviews, he just could only do so much. And 1174 00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:41.320 Bobby was beyond that. 1175 00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:41.639 You know. 1176 00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:44.920 Bobby could uh go on and on and put people 1177 00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:47.719 over and and so that was a as far as 1178 00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:51.360 giving him the best tools he could possibly have to succeed, 1179 00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.480 putting him with Bobby was was the best option. Yeah. 1180 00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:59.079 Yeah, I'm next though, year backstage with Dusty Rhodes and 1181 00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:04.119 Sweet sap Fi and interviewing them about about the next 1182 00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:07.320 coming matchup. Now, what was it like? We did a 1183 00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.519 whole podcast about Dusty Rose coming into the WWF. But 1184 00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:13.840 backstage for Dusty Rhodes, what's his prep time? What's is 1185 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:14.840 he coming in blind? 1186 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:15.239 Like? 1187 00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:16.880 How long does this take to get through? 1188 00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:20.960 Because he seems so comfortable in what he's doing because 1189 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:22.519 he's talking about the crown, jewels. 1190 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.159 Macho king, you know, you can't be a king. 1191 00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:28.079 You have a crown, but you're not without royalty, without jewels, 1192 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:29.199 you're not a real king. 1193 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:31.760 What was it like working with Dusty Rose? 1194 00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:34.800 Because everyone in today's world always admires him. 1195 00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:39.199 Well, as I said, you know, talk about orators. Dusty 1196 00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:44.639 was was a master and you know his promos were fantastic. 1197 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:48.440 Put him in any situation here, he was in there 1198 00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:51.800 in the polka dots, making it work, putting it over. 1199 00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:55.840 So whatever the situation, he's gonna go against the macho King. 1200 00:59:55.960 --> 01:00:00.599 And we have this odd tag team match up with 1201 01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.000 with Sapphire actually getting into the ring too against sensational Sherry, 1202 01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:07.760 which I which which was really weird for me to 1203 01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:11.599 see Sherry kind of in uh, you know, wrestling gear 1204 01:00:11.719 --> 01:00:14.679 and where and wrestling boots because you know, you've gotten 1205 01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:16.519 so used to her being in the fish net and 1206 01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:20.239 the the big spikes and boys, she could work in 1207 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:22.920 those things and imagine what you know, getting into the 1208 01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:27.679 ring and working in shoes like that. Uh, just shows 1209 01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:32.679 you the talent that she had. But this was this 1210 01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:35.079 is another This is a real gimmick match to me. 1211 01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.320 So it's the first ever mixed tag match at WrestleMania. 1212 01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:43.039 Yeah, yeah, and boy it was. It was an interesting 1213 01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:46.920 mix for sure. And you know, Sapphire, I didn't have 1214 01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:49.079 a clue what she did. I think she'd done some 1215 01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:53.239 you know, and in some of these low level shows 1216 01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:56.000 or something. She was a huge mostly just a huge fan. 1217 01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:00.239 So but you know, Cherry helped her out. And that 1218 01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:04.119 was one thing that was was awesome about Sensational Sherry 1219 01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:07.840 is that she was all about the business. And if 1220 01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:10.000 you put her in a situation, whether or not she 1221 01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:13.960 liked it or felt that this was what she wanted 1222 01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:16.800 to do, whatever she she knew she was, that was 1223 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:20.519 her job. And uh, you see in that match, she 1224 01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:24.920 did everything she could to help Sapphire in this and uh, 1225 01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:27.920 you know, for what it's worth, it it was, you know, 1226 01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:28.880 as good as it could be. 1227 01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:29.880 I'll leave it at that. 1228 01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:34.559 But and certainly had to be the biggest moment of 1229 01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:37.880 Sapphire's life. Well, yeah, being a part of that. 1230 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:42.599 Can you imagine she was a fan and then you 1231 01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:46.199 came in and got brought in I think Dusty Dusty 1232 01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:47.800 Roads like one of the grass of all time, and. 1233 01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:50.000 Now which was one of her favorites of all I mean, 1234 01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:52.639 I think she, you know, loved Dusty, So the. 1235 01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:54.960 Opportunity, the chance, she got the opportunity to work with him. 1236 01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:57.880 And then you're in the ring too with Randy Savage 1237 01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:05.280 and and sensational Sherry. Yeah, talk about achievement. Are no kidding? 1238 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.360 Like you're not just in the match on Superstar as 1239 01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:09.760 a wrestling challenge, you are in this. So you said 1240 01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:13.199 Sherry was comfortable working with Sapphire because I know, as 1241 01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:16.800 you would see those years ago on, like, Sherry is 1242 01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:19.280 very protective of her role because she's one of She'd 1243 01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:20.719 always say like, oh, you're just a girl, Like, no, 1244 01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:22.599 she's one of like the guys. People would say, like, 1245 01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:25.440 she's don't mess with Sherry. So how do you think 1246 01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:29.079 she was comfortable working with someone who wasn't actually a 1247 01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:30.480 trained wrestler. 1248 01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:34.840 Well, I think, well, certainly there was no threat that 1249 01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:38.599 stephar would show her up somehow, but she was a 1250 01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:43.760 true professional and and Sherry could work with anyone, you know, 1251 01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:49.719 she when she was in that ring or ringside, didn't 1252 01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:52.960 matter who it was she was. You know, she could 1253 01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:59.559 work with anybody and take bumps and deliver bumps, you know, 1254 01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:03.320 right back in the mix. And I mentioned before that 1255 01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:05.760 you know she was in there with a man or 1256 01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:08.679 something doing and he was supposed to close liner and 1257 01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:11.239 he took it easy. Oh my god, pray for his 1258 01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:15.719 soul because she would be you know, in his face 1259 01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:20.760 and telling him you deliver, that you do it, and 1260 01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:25.760 otherwise she would deliver her own receipt. So she gave 1261 01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:31.079 as good as she got, and she's she helped cross 1262 01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:33.119 that line for a lot of women. As I've said 1263 01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:36.199 before that you know the women in professional wrestling. Oh 1264 01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:40.880 that woman a lot for being able to make it 1265 01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:44.400 very clear that there were and there weren't many that 1266 01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:47.480 could do it, but there were were women who could 1267 01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:49.400 go toe to toe with the best of the best 1268 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:53.000 out there and take it all and really be able 1269 01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:53.440 to work. 1270 01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:55.920 So this was just another example. 1271 01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:58.079 I can't even imagine, like she's thinking, you know, what 1272 01:03:58.119 --> 01:03:59.679 am I going to do with this person? You know, 1273 01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:01.239 how much going to work with her? But you know 1274 01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:03.599 they worked it out. 1275 01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:05.840 And then Miss Elizabeth shows up as the Crown Jewels 1276 01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:09.039 with Dustin Rhodes and Sapphire to really set off Macho King. 1277 01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:12.079 And so now you have three women in one match 1278 01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:14.400 in reality, which is not really a thing you see 1279 01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:18.360 in the early eighties and early nineties of multiple women show. 1280 01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:22.239 Is powerful Liz super powerful, saptphire, you have your thoughts 1281 01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:25.760 on her? So Elizabeth coming back? She's been gone for 1282 01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:28.159 a year since the Mega Powers exploded. Now with that 1283 01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:32.000 interview earlier, arrestmine, earlier in This Night where they're asking where. 1284 01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:33.440 Have you been? Why don't you hear what's going on? 1285 01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:38.000 Why not just as a fly on my hat, not 1286 01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:41.079 just as a performer. Why do you think she wasn't 1287 01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:43.519 on television because easily she could have been inserted to 1288 01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:46.559 other things without Macho Mitten. But is it more like 1289 01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:49.400 Machi Man just wanted her to be home or is 1290 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:50.280 it more to that. 1291 01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:54.199 Yeah, I think there was a lot Like you said, Uh, 1292 01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:56.760 I think she just had gotten tired of the road. 1293 01:04:57.079 --> 01:04:58.960 I mean I remember there were you know, rumors of it. 1294 01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.440 Maybe she's gonna, you know, having a child, or she was, 1295 01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:06.000 you know, pregnant, or something like that. But I think 1296 01:05:06.039 --> 01:05:08.559 that it was just, you know, after a long stretch, 1297 01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:12.199 you know, they'd been you know, at it for a 1298 01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:17.320 long time, and that that life is really tough, and 1299 01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:20.519 I think she just needed a break. There may have 1300 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:25.360 been cracks in that relationship going on, so I just 1301 01:05:25.400 --> 01:05:27.559 think there was a lot happening. But that's I think 1302 01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:29.400 that's really what it just came down to us. She 1303 01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:31.960 just needed to, you know, get off the road and 1304 01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:34.599 just chill and just be able to you know, have 1305 01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:36.920 some kind of a life, a normal life. 1306 01:05:37.760 --> 01:05:39.159 Yeah, this is the eighth match. 1307 01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:41.039 Though, but as you could see, she couldn't stay away though, 1308 01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:42.559 you know, I mean, I don't think that that was 1309 01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:44.559 something that somebody shoved her in front of the truck 1310 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:47.119 there to go back at it. I think that after 1311 01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:49.719 a while, okay, she was ready to do something again. 1312 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:52.039 What's crazy, though, is in the w WF though, she 1313 01:05:52.280 --> 01:05:54.800 like disappears and then she hasn't come back and till 1314 01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:57.519 resting to seven to reunite with Macha Man. Then she 1315 01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:00.000 returns back in early ninety two to set up other names. 1316 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:02.360 Get pictures of her at WRESTLINGI eight when she joins 1317 01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:05.840 abc W in ninety five. She's on Nitro every week 1318 01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:08.440 with Rick Flayer and the Macho Man. I just wonder 1319 01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:12.039 why that she was removed from WWF television, but yet 1320 01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:15.639 incw it was like, she's here every week on Nitro, 1321 01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:20.039 on the shows like it just felt why disappear now 1322 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:23.000 when you're one of the hottest characters there was, especially 1323 01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:26.280 because Sherry's not wearing it TBT teeny Weeny Yellow Poke 1324 01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:28.719 and doct bikinis. We brought it before Liz just in 1325 01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:32.039 a bathing suit on a poster sold like crazy. I 1326 01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:35.920 don't know why dips wo was around, not in WWF. 1327 01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:38.039 Either way, Sapphire did pick well. 1328 01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:41.639 She had to make a living at that point. She 1329 01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:44.320 was on her own basically, and so she right, she 1330 01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:47.559 had to make a living prior to that, and and 1331 01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:50.760 the money was really good early on there and with 1332 01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:54.559 with Randy, but after that, you know, as we there's 1333 01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:58.719 many tales of uh A lot of times it doesn't 1334 01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:01.159 go so far. So she I think probably when it 1335 01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:03.960 came down to and I certainly don't know, and I 1336 01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:06.320 imagine that she had to make a living too at 1337 01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:06.800 that point. 1338 01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:09.960 That makes sense, you know, somewhere in the show, I 1339 01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:12.039 don't have it written down, but we'll talk about right now. 1340 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:15.320 Rhythm and Blues have a concert with Diamond Dallas Page 1341 01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:18.760 driving down and a pink Cadillac. The Rushwackers interrupt this 1342 01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:21.159 as well. This is all before when you talked about 1343 01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:23.840 you interviewing Mary Talamore, how she was going to be 1344 01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:27.320 excited for this Rhythmen blues song, Honk of Honk of 1345 01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:32.039 Honk of love Boy, you talk about crashing and burning 1346 01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:37.039 on live television. Dude, this is horrible and maybe someone 1347 01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:40.519 thinks it's hilarious and it's fun. I'm sorry you're wrong. 1348 01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:44.559 Because Honky Tonk Man is sort of singing. You have 1349 01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:46.840 the Honk Cats doing the real part of the Hunk 1350 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:49.559 of honk Abo and then it's time for greg the 1351 01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:52.559 Hammer Valentine with his jet black care to sing and 1352 01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:56.880 he forgot every word. 1353 01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:01.360 Love what he was. 1354 01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:04.760 There no practicing, there was no rehearsal, Like what are 1355 01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:06.880 we doing here with Gregor Hammer Valentine? 1356 01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:10.519 Yeah, yeah, that was not a great moment in music, 1357 01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:15.239 was it? No side note here though? The Diamonds Diamond 1358 01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:20.960 Dallas Page was his WrestleMania debut, and yeah, and he 1359 01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:22.760 tells the story, you know that was his That was 1360 01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:25.840 his Cadillac. That's how he got involved. Somebody said, hey, yeah, 1361 01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:27.600 we need a Cadillac, and they said, hey, we know 1362 01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:28.720 this guy. 1363 01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:31.600 And he also worked for a strip club. That's why 1364 01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:32.199 they knew him. 1365 01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:33.840 No, he was a man. Well, yeah, it was a 1366 01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:35.079 club that they went to. I only it was a 1367 01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:37.399 strip club. It was just a club popular. Yeah, it 1368 01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:40.399 was a popular nightclub that he managed and a lot 1369 01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:41.960 of the guys would go in. That's how he got 1370 01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:46.000 into it. That's a whole other episode. But he had 1371 01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:48.479 this cadillac and he tells the story. I think it 1372 01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.359 was Pat Patterson called him and said, you know what 1373 01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:54.479 you're luck can you come up We'll get you through 1374 01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:59.760 your cadillac. Uh And Dallas was like yeah, And they said, 1375 01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:02.319 well what do you want for and he said, just 1376 01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:04.279 you pay to get it up there and let me 1377 01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:07.439 drive it. I don't think him he didn't get any 1378 01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:10.720 other money to do that. But you know, Dallas is 1379 01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:16.319 just uh, you know, he's yeah, but the way his 1380 01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:19.239 mind works, you know, he was thinking, you know, and 1381 01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:22.680 and because the way he interacts with people that it 1382 01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.960 was just an opportunity, another opportunity to get in the door. 1383 01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:28.760 And you know, they don't pay me anything, just just 1384 01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:32.640 bring me up there, and you know, just laid another 1385 01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:35.680 track for him on that journey that. 1386 01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:36.399 He was taking. 1387 01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:39.439 But I just thought that that was so typical Dallas 1388 01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:42.079 that he, you know, just seized an opportunity. 1389 01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:49.640 So anyway, but you're right about the the You would 1390 01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:50.279 have thought. 1391 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:52.439 That somebody would have said, let's see what he sounds like, 1392 01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:54.880 or let's do a rehearsal. 1393 01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:55.920 You know, that's where you do it before. 1394 01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:05.199 I hope, I honestly I don't. I don't think so. 1395 01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:09.520 I think uh uh, I don't know. Or maybe he 1396 01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:12.239 just totally blew the lines. But I don't remember hearing 1397 01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:13.840 anything backstage of them warming up. 1398 01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:16.439 That's all I can tell you. So maybe they were 1399 01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:17.279 off somewhere else. 1400 01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:20.680 Me me, me me, Yeah, it was the Honk AATs 1401 01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:23.359 who carried that performance, and the Bushwhackers show up and 1402 01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:27.000 they just they destroyed the guitars, and yes, the body 1403 01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:29.800 Ventura is very upset that they interrupted one of the 1404 01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:32.760 greatest performances of all time. I think Jesse might have 1405 01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:35.760 been on that little drunk with Steve Allen Well and I. 1406 01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:37.479 Was a huge fan of Honkey Talk Man. 1407 01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:41.439 He could uh, he was made me laugh every time 1408 01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:43.640 I saw him, because he had that you know, this 1409 01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:47.880 bad Elvis, but he pulled it off and you know, 1410 01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:51.119 the moves and everything, and he had that guitar would 1411 01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:52.079 be totally out of tune. 1412 01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:53.279 He did not play that thing. 1413 01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:53.520 You know. 1414 01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:54.880 It was great. 1415 01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:58.920 Yeah, I love the Yeah, Greg, they could have just 1416 01:10:59.000 --> 01:10:59.880 kept in the background. 1417 01:10:59.920 --> 01:11:01.560 I don't know what the heck they were thinking. 1418 01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:05.239 Yeah, I don't either, But it's it seems like this 1419 01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:07.079 whole entire event, there's like a match. 1420 01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:08.279 People want to see the match. 1421 01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:14.239 People are it's shenanigans there, But like Steve, there's Steve Fall, 1422 01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:17.680 there's the Shenanigans. Why why we have so many shenanigans 1423 01:11:17.720 --> 01:11:18.079 going on? 1424 01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:22.119 What is that coffee? We're on to match number nine? 1425 01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:23.960 There's fourteen Irish whiskey. 1426 01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:25.399 That's what's in here. 1427 01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:31.159 Lad Jesus Lady, starting early for mister Mooney. Here the 1428 01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:33.960 Rockers are up neck taking on the Orient Express, a 1429 01:11:34.039 --> 01:11:36.359 name you can't use in today's world or any Express 1430 01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:39.039 win the match via counter after Fuji throws salt in 1431 01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:42.880 Jenny's eyes. It's a great match in the Rockers would 1432 01:11:42.920 --> 01:11:46.199 fight the Orient Express again. I think it's runnable ninetety one, 1433 01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:48.840 and it's a great match. It's unbelievable, but it's still 1434 01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:51.039 like there's a there's a pattern to this wrestuming it 1435 01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:52.680 where it's like people wanted to see this. 1436 01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:54.520 People didn't want to care about this. People wanted to 1437 01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:56.239 see this. All right, go to the bathroom by merch. 1438 01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:58.319 All right, you want to see this because up next 1439 01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:00.720 Million Other the Man versus Jake the Snake rob of 1440 01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:01.760 course you want to see this matter. 1441 01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:03.680 I wanted to see that these two are the. 1442 01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:07.520 Greatest in the Golden era, especially around this time. Now 1443 01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:11.000 the storyline, they play you a video package. It's very 1444 01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:13.640 weird because they show you, like eight months ago the 1445 01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:16.199 million deala man took Jake the Snake Roberts out. He 1446 01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:19.680 doesn't return for another like seven months after that. The 1447 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:22.640 real backstory to that is Jake had a problem with 1448 01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:25.279 substance abuse, so they have to get him off television somehow, 1449 01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:29.520 and Million Dollar Man taking him Out's a long time though, 1450 01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:32.039 for a very popular wrestler to be removed from television 1451 01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:34.640 and not really feeling the burn of missing one of 1452 01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:37.880 these characters. What was it like seeing a wrestler like this, 1453 01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:41.039 Jake the Snake Roberts, who clearly all these wrestlers are 1454 01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:45.119 doing something backstage that aren't legal. But Jake the Snake, 1455 01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:48.520 he's one of those stories that you hear more than others. 1456 01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:52.520 Why is that the case, Well, somebody you know, and 1457 01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:55.399 you know have known people throughout your life too, that 1458 01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:00.600 you know they call people like social drinkers that can 1459 01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:01.880 do that kind of thing. 1460 01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:04.720 You could say. 1461 01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:06.800 At the time, everybody was doing something. 1462 01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:07.920 Yeah, there was a. 1463 01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:10.800 Lot of all kinds of stuff happening on the road, 1464 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:14.640 and these guys doing what they had to do to 1465 01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:18.479 get into that ring, to get into the square circle. 1466 01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:22.720 Others were just better at dealing with it. There were 1467 01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:25.680 a few exceptions that took it more seriously and stayed 1468 01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:29.000 away from things like that, and you know, but that 1469 01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:34.159 was pretty much the exception. And Jake was not one 1470 01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:38.279 of those people. He just it just got the best 1471 01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:41.159 of them, and as we saw, it happened with many others. 1472 01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:44.960 So yeah, and then when he gets to a point 1473 01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:49.079 where it is impacting what you can do, you know, 1474 01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:54.920 Fortunately the company was I not don't want to say compassionate, 1475 01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:56.479 because it was all about business. 1476 01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:59.239 You needed these guys. Jake was somebody who was a. 1477 01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:02.319 Moneymaker for them, and they want they needed him healthy, 1478 01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:07.520 so him stepping away and uh, you know, getting cleaned 1479 01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:12.279 up was was necessary. I'm glad that in a situation, 1480 01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:14.840 that's the way it was, because, like I said, it 1481 01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:18.640 was business and not that they didn't take of low 1482 01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:21.600 take care of low level guys as well, but not 1483 01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:25.520 with the same fervor, I will tell you. And Jake 1484 01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:29.600 was an earner, so they needed him back and they 1485 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:31.840 and that was something that was very important to them. 1486 01:14:33.239 --> 01:14:35.600 But it just kind of made it clear at that 1487 01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:38.800 point that he had some serious problems and they had 1488 01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:40.000 to do something about it. 1489 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:42.960 And again, when you see Jake sink backstage with me 1490 01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:46.840 and Gene Cutness promo talking about greed and talking about 1491 01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:48.359 how he's going to make million dollar Man get on 1492 01:14:48.439 --> 01:14:50.960 his knees, He's watched Mandela Man make other people get 1493 01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:53.119 on their knees and ask her money. Well, he's going 1494 01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:56.920 to make million dollar Man grovel here at Russelmania six. 1495 01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:59.039 And I thought that was great because the storyline kind 1496 01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:00.960 of is like, oh, well, Jake stole the million Dollar 1497 01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:04.560 Championship from him, because Mandela Man takes things from other people. 1498 01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:07.479 The Robin Hood storyline here, it was a nice touch 1499 01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:10.680 because Jake the Snake Roberts, you know we talked about 1500 01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:13.359 before Golden Era. I have come to the conclusion that 1501 01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:16.840 he has the greatest storylines in the Golden Era, next 1502 01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:20.119 to Hulk Hogan, Like there's no way you can touch him. 1503 01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:22.680 And what he's been working with Andre, He's been working 1504 01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:25.239 with Warrior Hogan, million dollar man. 1505 01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:25.840 Macho man. 1506 01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:28.800 He slaps Liz like, he turns Warrior almost he like, 1507 01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:32.680 there's a lot to Jake the Snake Roberts. But here 1508 01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:35.880 another count out teddbiasse wins by count Out. 1509 01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:38.399 We just saw a match with count Out Raby Lornan. 1510 01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:42.439 Yeah, yeah, I don't know that. You know, you could 1511 01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:44.039 do so much with these guys, and that's how we 1512 01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:45.199 end it, you know. 1513 01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:47.039 Continue the storyline, I guess. 1514 01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:49.359 Yeah, But I do want to mention here, you know, 1515 01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:52.399 you talk about all these great storylines with Jake and 1516 01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:53.720 and don't think for a second, you know he just 1517 01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:56.600 got lucky or he was his character was so you know, 1518 01:15:56.720 --> 01:16:01.960 easy to plan storylines with. Uh, that's not necessarily the case. 1519 01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:06.359 And as I've mentioned before that you know, Jake was 1520 01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:12.000 really good at understanding his character and being creative of 1521 01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:14.760 what you know, you could do with him, and so 1522 01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:17.000 he was as much a part of a lot of 1523 01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:19.920 the things that he got involved in on his own. 1524 01:16:20.079 --> 01:16:21.279 You know that he would say, you. 1525 01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:23.560 Know, hey, what about this, Let's try this, you know, 1526 01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:26.520 and you know what, and he was just really good 1527 01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:30.239 at that. I think that he would have made a 1528 01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:34.920 great booker if given the opportunity. And he thought that 1529 01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:36.560 that's kind of where he was going to go with 1530 01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:41.760 the company, and Vince basically shut that down when when 1531 01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:43.760 Pat came back. But I thought that he could have 1532 01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:46.680 been a great benefit to the company with that, with 1533 01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:51.520 that part of his his repertoire. But I think, you know, 1534 01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:53.079 you need to give him a lot of credit. He 1535 01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:55.279 did have some great storylines, but he had a lot 1536 01:16:55.279 --> 01:16:55.840 to do with that. 1537 01:16:57.800 --> 01:17:00.680 Again, he's one of the greatest promo of all time. 1538 01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:03.359 People get give people give Piper a lot of credit, 1539 01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:05.720 people give the Rock a lot of credit. But Jake 1540 01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:08.840 the Snake, Robert, it's like this dude, he'd always say. 1541 01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:10.560 I remember interviewing. 1542 01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:13.560 Him, and he'd say, I would talk even softer and softer, 1543 01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:15.880 So you have to get closer to the television to 1544 01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:18.840 hear me. Because instead of Warrior and again nothing against Warrior. 1545 01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:21.000 His technique was screaming and yelling. 1546 01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:24.159 That was his thing. A lot of guys and. 1547 01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:28.880 The intensity and you know, quiet and quiet and quiet 1548 01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:31.079 and I don't know what he's saying, but he's gonna 1549 01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:34.359 he's freaking me out. Many call it a slow burn. 1550 01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:37.319 I always say it's a slow burnings. Yeah, I know 1551 01:17:37.359 --> 01:17:38.079 what you're thinking. 1552 01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:42.720 Yeah, damn. You know, Jack Tunney taught me a lot 1553 01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:49.600 of things, you know, and you'd be like, awesome. 1554 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:55.520 It's so funny in the mirror recently, Oh. 1555 01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:58.159 Come on, it's being around those guys for so long 1556 01:17:58.199 --> 01:17:59.439 it kind of sticks in your brain. 1557 01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:02.039 Next time I see Bruce. 1558 01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:05.359 No, no, no, They had that show on the network. 1559 01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:07.840 He tried to make his his due impressions, but he 1560 01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:09.520 held a mask over his face because he didn't want 1561 01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:11.880 to insult Jr. By doing a closed eye and his 1562 01:18:11.960 --> 01:18:14.000 mouth twisted like this. 1563 01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:16.119 And uh, he didn't want to do that. So I 1564 01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:17.199 don't get canceled again. 1565 01:18:17.319 --> 01:18:19.600 So moving on, Big Boston, brus is a chem The 1566 01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:22.800 Twin Towers have broken up. Big Boston recently turned baby Face, 1567 01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:25.199 so we're just kind of wrapping up the Twin Tower 1568 01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:29.079 storyline here. Big Boston actually gives a king his boss 1569 01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:33.560 Man slam with one arm, and that is damn impressive. 1570 01:18:33.680 --> 01:18:35.119 But this is kind of the end of a chem 1571 01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:36.960 you know, we don't really see him do much after 1572 01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:40.319 this Big boss Man huge push. He goes off to 1573 01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:43.119 work with Hogan. He goes off to be part of 1574 01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:45.760 one of my favorite Surviva Serious teams of all time 1575 01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:46.520 with Hogan. 1576 01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:48.880 So there's a lot going on there. But Keem, it's 1577 01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:50.760 the end? Why Why the end for a keem? 1578 01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:52.319 Well? 1579 01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:55.199 How long can you juke and jive? As the act 1580 01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:55.520 I was. 1581 01:18:56.800 --> 01:19:02.399 And you know, right so, and I think he became 1582 01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:06.680 disenchanted and a lot of it as in many cases 1583 01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:11.039 he felt that he wasn't earning enough and even says, 1584 01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:13.119 you know, it was at some point where it was 1585 01:19:13.159 --> 01:19:17.119 costing me to do this, whether or not that was true, 1586 01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:21.319 but yeah, he became disenchanted and that had another opportunity 1587 01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:22.960 to go earned some money. 1588 01:19:22.680 --> 01:19:23.920 And took it. 1589 01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:27.399 But the Big boss Man at this point was on 1590 01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:32.640 a great trajectory moving up through the ranks and deservedly so. 1591 01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:38.279 And I've mentioned many times how much I really loved 1592 01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:40.359 boss Man. I just thought all the way around he 1593 01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:45.239 was the whole package and worked really hard at it, 1594 01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:51.920 because initially he wasn't as great doing you know, the promos, 1595 01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:55.880 and but he grew into that where he was just 1596 01:19:55.960 --> 01:20:00.319 phenomenal and the whole package with the night stick and 1597 01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:03.439 and the way and what. He never gets enough credit 1598 01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:05.399 to me on just how. 1599 01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:08.800 Athletic he was. I mean he could do the. 1600 01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:11.399 Splits, I mean he you know, and he'd get up 1601 01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:15.680 on the ropes and he just did a lot of 1602 01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:18.520 moves that I don't think people really recognize just how 1603 01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:22.319 difficult that is for an exceptionally large human to do. 1604 01:20:23.359 --> 01:20:27.560 So deservedly, so he got a big push and really 1605 01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:28.760 I had a great run. 1606 01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:31.640 Well also, you think about it, the Twin Towers akeem 1607 01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:35.039 in Big Boss Man really helped build to wrest Many 1608 01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:38.000 five with the Megapowers Explode. Was out their involvement with 1609 01:20:38.079 --> 01:20:41.439 Hogan and Savage, there wouldn't have been these two men 1610 01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:44.000 akeeen in Big Boston were beaten down Savage while like 1611 01:20:44.039 --> 01:20:47.279 Hoga's backstages, Liz trying to get their help. All this 1612 01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:50.680 shit is involved with these two wrestlers, so without them 1613 01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:54.000 doing their job. And also look at a picture of 1614 01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:56.520 Big Bossman in nineteen eighty nine, then look at a 1615 01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:59.119 picture of him in nineteen ninety then ninety one. I 1616 01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:00.960 don't know how he's doing doing it, but he lost 1617 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:04.479 a significant amount of weight from just two years from 1618 01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:06.760 now and being on the road that much. I don't 1619 01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:10.960 even know how someone can lose that mass because he's 1620 01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:12.800 busy every day, but he must have been at the 1621 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:16.039 gym twenty four hours a day to lose all that weight, 1622 01:21:16.119 --> 01:21:17.199 Like he looked amazing. 1623 01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:17.680 He used to. 1624 01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:21.520 Slide underneath the bottom rope, come around and pop you 1625 01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:23.319 in the face, like who else is doing that at 1626 01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:25.399 two three hundred pounds plus? 1627 01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:30.159 Yeah, and and and I think that he saw that 1628 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:35.760 his agility and being healthy at least as healthy as 1629 01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:37.920 you could be with the life that they were living, 1630 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:41.680 was helping him. You know, he was moving better, he 1631 01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:44.880 you know, could do more and saw that. 1632 01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:45.840 But that takes a. 1633 01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:48.840 Tremendous commitment, as you just mentioned that, you know, these 1634 01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:50.920 guys are on the road. We've said many times, like 1635 01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:54.800 how many days of the year that they're out there, 1636 01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:58.560 and you're going to these towns, and the more committed 1637 01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:01.960 ones were, you know, trying to get some the most 1638 01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:04.359 sleap they could get up, get to a gym. You 1639 01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:07.159 gotta eat and you gotta get to an arena and 1640 01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:13.520 you gotta perform. And and I think that Bubba recognized 1641 01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:16.960 at the time that this was his moment, this was 1642 01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:19.680 his time, and he was going to you know, not 1643 01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:23.479 let any of it slip away, and you know, did 1644 01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:27.199 what he had to do to you know, take the 1645 01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:30.239 most out of it. And I think he certainly accomplished 1646 01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:33.720 that because you know, as you just said, he you 1647 01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:37.960 know had a great you know, stretching there where he 1648 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:40.680 was at the top of the card, he really was 1649 01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:44.680 and making a lot of money and at the top 1650 01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:45.640 of his profession. 1651 01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:48.520 Yeah, he was one of the best. I'm now we're 1652 01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:52.359 going to match number twelve. It's Rick rud versus super 1653 01:22:52.359 --> 01:22:55.199 Fly Jimmy Snooker. Rick Rude wins. This is clearly to 1654 01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:59.079 get Rick Rud more wins uneath his belt to set 1655 01:22:59.079 --> 01:23:02.159 it up him ERUs Warrior at SummerSlam nineteen ninety WHI 1656 01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:03.119 would be the next pay per view. 1657 01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:04.600 So there's really no talking points here. 1658 01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:06.880 It's just more of like Rick Rude was the IC champion, 1659 01:23:07.119 --> 01:23:08.520 hasn't really been doing that much. 1660 01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:09.560 He wins here. 1661 01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:14.279 Next up, though, is talking about your old podcast partner, 1662 01:23:14.319 --> 01:23:15.239 Hacksaw Jim Duggan. 1663 01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:17.119 Now we're in Canada. 1664 01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:22.359 Yep, can't now Hacksaw Jduggin comes down the aisle with 1665 01:23:22.479 --> 01:23:24.279 a giant American flag. 1666 01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:27.920 He's saying, on Dino Bravo, who is from Canada. 1667 01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:31.479 Yeah, the crowd is very confused. 1668 01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:31.880 They don't know. 1669 01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:34.279 You can see other faces like do I boo Hacksaw? 1670 01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:34.960 Do I cheer? 1671 01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:35.439 Do you know? 1672 01:23:36.319 --> 01:23:39.199 There was Hacksaw a very aware the situation of showing 1673 01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:41.600 up because even when he tries to do a USA chant, 1674 01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:43.199 they're like, no, we're not doing that. We're not doing 1675 01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:45.560 that here, like we're not cheering USA. 1676 01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:48.520 Well, but at the time this was he was doing 1677 01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:49.720 the patriotic gimmick. 1678 01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:51.439 What do you do? You keep that in the trunk? 1679 01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:54.079 He can't know he's gonna come out with just that 1680 01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:56.439 that the two by four, So you know what, And 1681 01:23:56.479 --> 01:23:58.600 it is kind of interesting though, you know, I mean, 1682 01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:03.880 you can see, okay, America, Russia or Iraq or you know, 1683 01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:12.560 but US Canada, what we're gonna maybe today, yeah, maybe today, 1684 01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.680 but uh no, not back then. So that that's a 1685 01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:19.239 hard cell and and uh so I think it was, what, 1686 01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:21.199 you know what one of those things where we uh, 1687 01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:24.880 let's not get the countries involved here, folks. Let's just 1688 01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:28.800 you know, have these two guys not like each other today. 1689 01:24:29.079 --> 01:24:31.199 So yeah, that was that was a that was an 1690 01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:32.239 interesting selling like you. 1691 01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:35.359 I remember it was so funny because he stomps on 1692 01:24:35.399 --> 01:24:36.840 the ground and usually he stomps on the ground. 1693 01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:38.640 He does one of these and everyone's like you. He 1694 01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:40.119 gets everyone clapping for you, said. 1695 01:24:40.199 --> 01:24:44.399 They went Canada came out with the Steelers. I don't 1696 01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:47.239 think was gonna sing. Yeah, that wasn't gonna work either, So. 1697 01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:51.880 No, no, And Earthquake is out there as well. Hacksade 1698 01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:54.119 gem dug and wins the two by four shot to 1699 01:24:54.279 --> 01:24:57.359 Dino Bravo. So we got baby faces cheating again, which 1700 01:24:57.399 --> 01:24:59.760 is fine, We're okay with that in today's world. And 1701 01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:03.000 Earthquake at the end though, takes out, Hacksaw gives him 1702 01:25:03.119 --> 01:25:05.079 the earthquake splash with his. 1703 01:25:05.439 --> 01:25:06.920 Just smoshes him in the ring. 1704 01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:11.159 And yeah, but I love I love the commentary because 1705 01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:14.079 Jesse the Ventura is like Gorilla, Grilla, you're okay with 1706 01:25:14.159 --> 01:25:15.840 this two by four shot, Like you're okay with this? 1707 01:25:15.960 --> 01:25:17.760 And Gorilla goes quiet for a minute and he. 1708 01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:20.520 Goes, well, all the bad things Dino has done in 1709 01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:20.880 the past. 1710 01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:21.920 This is karma for him. 1711 01:25:22.520 --> 01:25:25.479 Yeah, Jesse, He's like, come on, yeah, And I love 1712 01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:27.279 that when Jesse would do that, he was you know, 1713 01:25:27.319 --> 01:25:30.279 he would go, uh yeah, you're all good with all 1714 01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:32.800 this stuff until you guys are cheating, you know, because 1715 01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:35.600 he was. He was the heel announcer and and you know, 1716 01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:38.560 and and there were times you're like, he's got a point, 1717 01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:43.079 you know, he is like Bobby wouldn't if Bobby did that, 1718 01:25:43.479 --> 01:25:46.159 he was still wrong. But Jesse would make you think, uh, 1719 01:25:47.159 --> 01:25:49.399 this bad point. Yeah, I guess you're kind of right there. 1720 01:25:49.439 --> 01:25:51.600 You're okay with that, you know, him doing that, but 1721 01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:54.199 he takes the two by four and cheats, and it's 1722 01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:57.640 still okay, you know, like come on, like say, you know, no, 1723 01:25:57.720 --> 01:26:00.279 I think he screwed up this time. No, he's got 1724 01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:01.600 you gotta stay there. 1725 01:26:01.960 --> 01:26:02.800 Nah, it's karma. 1726 01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:04.520 Yeah, it's karba ca Yeah. 1727 01:26:04.520 --> 01:26:07.239 But j yeah, I really did. I like that Jesse 1728 01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:11.000 could walk that line of where uh you know, of 1729 01:26:11.039 --> 01:26:15.000 course he was a heel, but he would make points 1730 01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:17.239 that you know, you know, bring it into where it 1731 01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:20.520 was common sense and it's you know, really and you 1732 01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:24.239 couldn't really disagree with them. I guess, yeah, you do 1733 01:26:24.359 --> 01:26:26.239 kind of a point there, but uh, all right, let's 1734 01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:26.479 move on. 1735 01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:29.119 Yeah, yeah, I disagree with you, but uh, let's keep going. 1736 01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:34.720 We've reached the fourteenth match of the evening, and this 1737 01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:38.039 pay per view is about three hours and forty minutes long. 1738 01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:40.800 It's the Ultimate Challenge, it's title for a title. It's 1739 01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:45.199 Hot Cogan versus the Ultimate Warrior. Now title for title 1740 01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:49.199 underneath this, I believe if Hoe Cogan pinned Ultmate Warrior, 1741 01:26:49.279 --> 01:26:52.359 he would also be the inner Condinal champion, Right, that's 1742 01:26:52.359 --> 01:26:53.239 what you would think. 1743 01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:54.520 It was title for title. 1744 01:26:54.680 --> 01:26:56.920 Even Hard Finkel says it's title for title. 1745 01:26:57.279 --> 01:27:01.000 But yet as years would go on, Bruce would say, 1746 01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:04.680 it was never for the Intercontinental title. And I'm thinking 1747 01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:07.920 to myself, you say it's never for the Intercontinental title, 1748 01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:11.039 but why do you keep saying title for title? 1749 01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:14.720 Well? Also, why not? 1750 01:27:16.439 --> 01:27:20.479 Why would you say, is it below Hogan to be champion? 1751 01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:23.439 Yeah? No, And we knew how it was going to end, 1752 01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:24.640 So why not? 1753 01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:27.439 What were you told when you were building this up on? 1754 01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:27.920 Uh? 1755 01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:32.039 Well, I was titled for title. I always thought that. 1756 01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:34.960 That's that's news to me that Bruce would say that 1757 01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:39.199 it was always just for the heavyweight World Championship, right, that's. 1758 01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:41.920 What That's what he was saying. But yet they always say. 1759 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:44.000 I liked the angle of that. How awesome would that be? 1760 01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:47.279 Do you know a double title holder? For as long 1761 01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:51.039 as it would happened before President Tunney would do something 1762 01:27:51.199 --> 01:27:52.039 about it, of. 1763 01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:54.239 Course, because he was he was the word. 1764 01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.840 Well, yeah, hest the man, don't screw a tunny because 1765 01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:00.680 he'll screw with you. 1766 01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:00.960 Though. 1767 01:28:01.079 --> 01:28:04.239 When Warrior first comes out, the audience is cheering. But 1768 01:28:04.279 --> 01:28:08.039 when I watched this on the Vault last night on YouTube, 1769 01:28:08.399 --> 01:28:10.199 you don't really hear a pop. 1770 01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:11.119 You just hear noise. 1771 01:28:11.600 --> 01:28:15.039 When Hulk Hogan comes out, Holy shit, Like I can 1772 01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:19.000 hear the crowd through Gorilla and through Jesse's microphone. Like 1773 01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:22.880 there's no way that they thought, oh shit could go 1774 01:28:22.920 --> 01:28:25.119 wrong because everyone's cheering Hogan. 1775 01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:29.159 Some people are cheering Warrior. What were you thinking going 1776 01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:29.560 into this? 1777 01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:32.199 Did you think the audience would be split or you thought, 1778 01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:33.920 I think we're gonna choose one or the other and 1779 01:28:33.920 --> 01:28:34.960 we're gonna have a problem here. 1780 01:28:35.960 --> 01:28:40.359 No, I wasn't surprised by that because you know, you know, 1781 01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:46.800 Canada had a very rich history of professional wrestling across 1782 01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:51.760 the country and Hulk Hogan was you know, it was 1783 01:28:51.800 --> 01:28:57.319 hul Comania, and we're not that deep into the existence 1784 01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:04.119 of the WWF the time, and uh so you had 1785 01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:07.760 a lot of devotees, shall we say, like these these 1786 01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:10.960 people were you know, they they they loved, you know, 1787 01:29:11.119 --> 01:29:14.399 decades and decades of professional wrestling, and they appreciated what 1788 01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:19.760 Hulk Hogan had done for professional wrestling. So I don't 1789 01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:23.560 think it was that surprising to me. And uh you know, 1790 01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:28.119 Hulk had been there many times throughout his career, and 1791 01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:30.680 so you know, the warrior he certainly, I mean, we 1792 01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:32.199 can't say that people weren't. 1793 01:29:32.079 --> 01:29:35.359 Cheering, like very different, very popular. 1794 01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:37.159 But I think it wasn't. It wasn't just so much 1795 01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:39.199 that you know, Hulk Hogan's in this Magic Ultimate War. 1796 01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:40.880 It was Hulk Hogan. 1797 01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:45.600 Is here, if that makes sense, that because he represented 1798 01:29:46.039 --> 01:29:50.319 what professional wrestling had become at that point to that crowd, 1799 01:29:50.640 --> 01:29:52.760 and they it was more I think they were showing 1800 01:29:52.760 --> 01:29:56.239 that appreciation. Now that's that's my that was my thinking, 1801 01:29:56.439 --> 01:30:00.439 and I do remember that Pop. I've said that there's 1802 01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:02.439 been there were a couple of times in my career 1803 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:06.640 where I would be on the arena floor and the 1804 01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:11.239 roar of a crowd wasn't just it wasn't just this 1805 01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:14.000 audio pop going through my head. It went through your body. 1806 01:30:14.720 --> 01:30:17.439 And that was one of those. And there were, you know, 1807 01:30:17.479 --> 01:30:20.079 a couple other times, but that was one of them. 1808 01:30:20.319 --> 01:30:23.479 And so it's when you mentioned that, I was saying, yeah, 1809 01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:24.520 I remember that that. 1810 01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:26.039 That's that's what it was like. 1811 01:30:26.159 --> 01:30:29.079 And I really just felt like these people were just 1812 01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:33.119 so glad that Hulk Hogan was here in Toronto in 1813 01:30:33.199 --> 01:30:37.840 their stadium and he represented the reason they were there, 1814 01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:41.159 that you know, that that had become this gigantic spectacle. 1815 01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:44.439 I love that how you said that, because you know, 1816 01:30:44.479 --> 01:30:47.319 I think some people confuse Hulk Hogan for his real 1817 01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:50.800 life persona versus his wrestling persona and not realizing that 1818 01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:53.119 as a generation of fans who look at Hulk Cogan 1819 01:30:53.239 --> 01:30:57.920 as their childhood hero. So seeing this moment play out, 1820 01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:02.520 as you said, sixty five thousands, I'm not gonna disparage anyone, 1821 01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:04.960 but I'm highly doubting that. I'm like, oh, daddy, pay, 1822 01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:08.880 let's go see the rockers. Rest of Oran Express, they're saying, Daddy, 1823 01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:10.520 I want to go see Hull Cogan. 1824 01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:11.039 Good. 1825 01:31:11.239 --> 01:31:14.359 Yeah, And the people here right, whether or not what 1826 01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:16.880 they thought of the Warrior whatever, but that was that. 1827 01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:18.079 Was a big match. 1828 01:31:18.199 --> 01:31:20.239 Okay, you're getting both of these guys in the ring, 1829 01:31:21.039 --> 01:31:23.800 so that was kind of the uh, you know the 1830 01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:25.880 Flair Hogan. 1831 01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:28.000 You always wanted to see that level. It was. 1832 01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:30.279 You know, we always talk about how you know, you 1833 01:31:30.359 --> 01:31:31.840 got to be able to stand toe to toe. 1834 01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:34.079 This was one of those matches. 1835 01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:37.119 And you know, people always say Warrior were Savage at 1836 01:31:37.119 --> 01:31:39.039 Wrestling in seven is Warrior's greatest match. 1837 01:31:39.359 --> 01:31:40.159 I disagree. 1838 01:31:40.319 --> 01:31:44.680 I believe this is Warrior's greatest match, possibly even hould Cogan's. 1839 01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:49.720 Because the crowd is going, as Gridla would say, bananas 1840 01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:52.960 the entire time. There's no lull, there's no oh, I 1841 01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:54.560 think I'm gonna go the bathroom really quick and I 1842 01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:57.319 can come back. People are standing and people always say, oh, 1843 01:31:57.359 --> 01:31:59.560 it's a standing roomooning. No, No, people are standing the 1844 01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:02.600 whole time. Even in the crowd, Edge rated a superstar 1845 01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:03.560 Edge is there as. 1846 01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:04.439 A child watching this. 1847 01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:08.279 Yeah, you know, there's these little moments of people here 1848 01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:10.960 enjoying this moment, and I think it's just one of 1849 01:32:11.000 --> 01:32:14.199 those forgotten arts where you realize, look at the fun 1850 01:32:14.439 --> 01:32:17.720 people are having. Stop looking for the negative, stop looking 1851 01:32:17.760 --> 01:32:21.720 for the problems, enjoy the moment, because Warrior I had 1852 01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:24.479 the I have the brochure right here. The Warrior versus 1853 01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:27.720 Hogan moment is one of those Rock versus Austin moments 1854 01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:30.079 where you're never gonna get this again. And this is 1855 01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:32.840 something you should appreciate and love and I think it's 1856 01:32:32.920 --> 01:32:36.119 the best match. So for you, you told me, were you 1857 01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:38.159 on the floor for this match? 1858 01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:41.279 Yeah, you know, when I didn't have to do interviews, 1859 01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:43.840 I would love to. I would just go outside the curtain. 1860 01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:46.800 I always like to feel it. And because that was 1861 01:32:46.840 --> 01:32:51.600 a whole different experience. Yeah, and and uh, this was 1862 01:32:51.800 --> 01:32:54.079 this was right up there. And I think as you said, 1863 01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:56.079 you know this is you thought this was one of 1864 01:32:56.119 --> 01:32:58.560 the Warrior's greatest matches. I think Jim would would agree 1865 01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:03.520 with you that despite his you know, it was business, 1866 01:33:03.560 --> 01:33:07.840 it was just me doing my job. Uh, I think 1867 01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:10.359 that he felt this was definitely one of his one 1868 01:33:10.359 --> 01:33:12.159 of his greatest matches. And I told you about that 1869 01:33:12.239 --> 01:33:18.000 interview where he says that you know that day, everything worked. 1870 01:33:18.760 --> 01:33:23.840 And I think for a professional athlete, someone who's experienced 1871 01:33:23.880 --> 01:33:27.239 that or even whatever level you're at, but you have 1872 01:33:27.399 --> 01:33:29.039 those days where you know, I guess you'd call it 1873 01:33:29.079 --> 01:33:33.039 in the zone. You're just there and everything you do works. 1874 01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:36.239 And I think this was one of those days where 1875 01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:39.920 not only for Jim Helwig, but for also for Terry 1876 01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:44.560 Belea that day that everything just just worked the way 1877 01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:48.359 the match worked out. And and uh so I think 1878 01:33:48.399 --> 01:33:50.399 that you know, Warrior would agree with you, and I'm 1879 01:33:50.399 --> 01:33:53.520 sure that you know hul Cogan felt the same way. 1880 01:33:54.279 --> 01:33:54.800 Uh. 1881 01:33:55.760 --> 01:33:58.479 The big, the big tell on this is how the 1882 01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:03.000 crowd reacts to it. And uh, you know, being on 1883 01:34:03.039 --> 01:34:06.079 that floor and and uh seeing that where they were 1884 01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:09.399 reacting to everything everything for a moment, for the moment 1885 01:34:09.439 --> 01:34:12.079 it started from the their entrances to the to. 1886 01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:14.840 When it was over, it all works. 1887 01:34:15.159 --> 01:34:18.159 And so you know, for me it is it's one 1888 01:34:18.199 --> 01:34:20.800 of the one of the best WrestleMania matches ever. 1889 01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:21.800 And and and. 1890 01:34:21.680 --> 01:34:23.920 As always when I tell you it's always, it's not 1891 01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:27.720 always it's it's of course the wrestling is. But I 1892 01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:31.479 take it all in. Yeah, and with the audience and 1893 01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:37.119 where these two are and uh, you know that's that's 1894 01:34:37.199 --> 01:34:40.880 that's what makes it. Uh and and they and and 1895 01:34:41.039 --> 01:34:42.439 that day it had it. 1896 01:34:42.399 --> 01:34:46.199 All and Warrior wins, the match comes championed, and he 1897 01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:49.479 has both championships, the great image of him holding them 1898 01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:53.600 both up and his Warrior on the cart walking going away. 1899 01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:56.720 But the thing is people harp on these pieces to 1900 01:34:56.800 --> 01:34:59.960 this match. One is Warrior before this as a promo 1901 01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:03.279 weeks before this, where he's gonna steal Hate Cogan's airplane 1902 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:07.840 and he's gonna drive it into a mountain, killing the pilots, 1903 01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:10.800 the sacrifices for the Warriors. 1904 01:35:10.840 --> 01:35:13.039 Weird shit, But yet people. 1905 01:35:12.760 --> 01:35:14.640 Always were, They always were weird. 1906 01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:17.640 He said he was going to steal his plane and 1907 01:35:17.680 --> 01:35:20.840 then fly into a mountain and the pilot has made 1908 01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:26.319 the sacrifice for the Warrior to become champion. Like, I'm sorry, 1909 01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:28.560 Yes there are crazy promos, but I don't remember him 1910 01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:31.640 ever saying he was gonna steal someone's airplane and throw 1911 01:35:31.680 --> 01:35:32.359 it into a mountain. 1912 01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:35.880 Yeah that's me, that's me. 1913 01:35:36.159 --> 01:35:39.520 But yet in this how do you think Hate Coogan 1914 01:35:39.560 --> 01:35:42.159 was feeling going into this, Because, as Brett HoTT would 1915 01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:45.119 say in his book That Warrior, Hogan went up to 1916 01:35:45.119 --> 01:35:47.000 Brett and was like, yeah, well I lost, but you 1917 01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:48.800 know they're gonna call me back because they're gonna need me, 1918 01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:50.479 which you know eventually they did. 1919 01:35:50.520 --> 01:35:51.840 And we've talked about it multiple times. 1920 01:35:51.960 --> 01:35:54.640 Or Hogan always has this plan in the back of 1921 01:35:54.680 --> 01:35:57.079 his head where like, well, if I leave them and 1922 01:35:57.159 --> 01:36:00.680 business goes down, they'll always call me back because they'll 1923 01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:03.600 think it's the reason the BIS went down because I left. 1924 01:36:04.079 --> 01:36:05.840 And it's a great it's a great plan to stay 1925 01:36:05.880 --> 01:36:07.720 on top forever. I get it. But how do you 1926 01:36:07.720 --> 01:36:10.359 think Hogan was feeling about going into this event losing. 1927 01:36:11.880 --> 01:36:13.439 Well, I think it was all part of the grand 1928 01:36:13.479 --> 01:36:19.600 plan that uh, you know, you have these these storylines 1929 01:36:19.640 --> 01:36:21.960 that go on, they can't go on forever. Hulka Mania 1930 01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:24.760 couldn't just go on forever. At some point you need 1931 01:36:24.800 --> 01:36:28.560 some drama. You need to as I always kind of uh, 1932 01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:32.119 I always kind of called either behind the music analogy 1933 01:36:32.319 --> 01:36:35.399 remember that show, behind that show, right, And it was 1934 01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:41.600 always you know, starting out struggling, great fame, oh they 1935 01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:47.199 screw up, crashing, and then redemption, a beginning, middle end. 1936 01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:50.800 You've got to have a story. It can't always be 1937 01:36:52.119 --> 01:36:55.520 on the trajectory here. It can't always have this you know, ascension. 1938 01:36:56.479 --> 01:37:00.520 And so I think that that Hulk was looking at 1939 01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:03.119 it that way that you know, how can I miss 1940 01:37:03.159 --> 01:37:06.359 you if you don't go away and and so and 1941 01:37:07.199 --> 01:37:09.960 the best of both worlds, because I think deep down 1942 01:37:10.800 --> 01:37:14.279 the Halkster knew they're gonna they're gonna need me. 1943 01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:15.279 He could tell. 1944 01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:17.840 He'd been in this business long enough he could he 1945 01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:21.359 knew that that the warrior, you know, Jim, was not 1946 01:37:21.439 --> 01:37:24.119 gonna be able to handle this. He couldn't sustain it. 1947 01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:28.680 He didn't have there weren't the horses behind the warriors. 1948 01:37:28.760 --> 01:37:32.560 It just wasn't Hulkamania had all of this. And so 1949 01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:37.000 I think deep down he had that confidence that yeah, 1950 01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:40.439 this is it's this ain't over, and it's gonna give 1951 01:37:40.439 --> 01:37:42.840 me a nice break here and and they need to 1952 01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:47.279 see what it's like not having me here. So I 1953 01:37:47.640 --> 01:37:50.239 think that he was fine, fine with it, and uh 1954 01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:54.720 uh you know, did what he had to do, sold it, 1955 01:37:55.479 --> 01:37:58.439 put him over and uh and knew that. 1956 01:37:59.439 --> 01:37:59.960 I'll be back. 1957 01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:02.520 Yeah, they'll call me, They'll they'll call me again. 1958 01:38:03.079 --> 01:38:04.840 And they did, and he came back, and then he 1959 01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:06.880 got taken up by earthquake and then the double main 1960 01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:10.399 event of Summer Slam nineteen ninety occurred. Grilman soon though 1961 01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:14.159 on commentary, suggests that Hulk Hogan is no longer just 1962 01:38:14.199 --> 01:38:14.760 a wrestler. 1963 01:38:14.840 --> 01:38:16.000 He's immortal. 1964 01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:18.640 That's where the immortal Hulk Cogan line comes into play, 1965 01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:22.640 because Warrior wins the championship, according to again the rumors 1966 01:38:22.640 --> 01:38:25.159 and the lore that Hogan was not supposed to do this. 1967 01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:28.359 He grabs the world championship, he's the one who hands 1968 01:38:28.399 --> 01:38:32.359 it to Warrior, gets on the little golf cart ring goes. 1969 01:38:32.600 --> 01:38:35.199 He's looking sad, like he's crying and it's over and 1970 01:38:35.239 --> 01:38:37.359 it's never gonna be better. But the camera stays on 1971 01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:39.800 Hogan instead of focusing on Warrior more. And that's when 1972 01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:43.279 Gorilla drops that line about immortality and Hult Cogan, and 1973 01:38:43.399 --> 01:38:47.439 so Hogan suggests that he planted the seed of Well, 1974 01:38:47.520 --> 01:38:49.880 now you're focusing on me, Like, what's next for Hogan? 1975 01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:53.159 Where's Hogan going? Why is he so sad versus man? 1976 01:38:53.159 --> 01:38:55.359 Look at Warrior, he's a champion, he's so strong. We 1977 01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:56.880 can't wait to see what he does next. 1978 01:38:57.039 --> 01:38:59.119 There's a lot of you can pick and choose what 1979 01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:01.239 you want from that sun since But do you think 1980 01:39:01.279 --> 01:39:04.279 Hogan's so smart? He realizes, like I look sad, people 1981 01:39:04.319 --> 01:39:06.560 ben about me, not about him. 1982 01:39:07.159 --> 01:39:10.520 Yeah, he'd made a career out of reading audiences and 1983 01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:14.199 the whole psychology behind it and as they say, Hogan 1984 01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:18.760 must pose and any posts and yeah in his own way, 1985 01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:20.800 that's yeah, brilliant. 1986 01:39:21.159 --> 01:39:23.359 It was good and I again, Wrestling is six is 1987 01:39:23.359 --> 01:39:25.399 one of my favorite events because again it's almost goes 1988 01:39:25.439 --> 01:39:27.760 four hours long, and usually these events didn't do that 1989 01:39:27.880 --> 01:39:30.239 like this podcast, no two hours almost. 1990 01:39:31.359 --> 01:39:32.880 We've talked about it all folks. 1991 01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:35.880 We talked about it Steve Allen and poopy jokes to 1992 01:39:36.119 --> 01:39:39.039 Warry becoming champion to Sweet Sapphi or wrestling in a 1993 01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:41.439 ring which you shouldn't have probably have been but in 1994 01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:43.720 reality Mooney said, that's one of your favorites. 1995 01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:45.399 And before we wrap this up, uh. 1996 01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:48.279 This may be one of my favorite podcasts. So folks, 1997 01:39:48.319 --> 01:39:50.319 don't you miss it. You got to wait a minute. 1998 01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:51.079 The end. 1999 01:39:51.319 --> 01:39:52.239 This is this is the end. 2000 01:39:53.000 --> 01:39:56.479 Tell guys, guys, you gotta watch you, guys gotta watch this. 2001 01:39:56.640 --> 01:39:58.640 I really enjoy this wrestling and what it's called. 2002 01:39:58.640 --> 01:40:02.960 It's called wrestling. Marry Mary you okay, I'm doing great. 2003 01:40:03.279 --> 01:40:06.039 I got both tell. 2004 01:40:05.079 --> 01:40:07.800 It's a eyebrowser up, touch on the hairline there. 2005 01:40:09.920 --> 01:40:12.399 But final thoughts on this paper be before I wrap 2006 01:40:12.439 --> 01:40:15.079 this up after thirty four hour podcast. 2007 01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:18.119 Absolutely one one of my faves. 2008 01:40:18.800 --> 01:40:22.359 And as we've mentioned over the last whatever, it's been 2009 01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:25.920 that it was for a number of reasons, and and Steve, 2010 01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:28.520 you know, to me, it's I always take it, you know. 2011 01:40:28.600 --> 01:40:30.800 I look at it as this grand picture and and 2012 01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:33.680 all the stuff that was involved in this, and uh, 2013 01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:36.560 you know, better or worse, I mean, it was. It 2014 01:40:36.640 --> 01:40:39.720 was a lot of entertainment to take in. So uh 2015 01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:43.640 this this remains right up there on the top of 2016 01:40:43.640 --> 01:40:46.159 my list. And so I'm glad we had a chance 2017 01:40:46.199 --> 01:40:48.119 to really go through the whole thing. I know we've 2018 01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:50.199 done it in parts before, but to really talk about 2019 01:40:50.199 --> 01:40:52.720 the whole event was awesome. 2020 01:40:53.159 --> 01:40:53.399 Yep. 2021 01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:55.720 Now I'm gonna after we end this, I'm gonna go 2022 01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:57.600 ask Alexa to play me a hunk a hunk of 2023 01:40:57.680 --> 01:40:59.199 hunk a love three honkers yes. 2024 01:40:59.399 --> 01:41:02.520 With Valiant skip that one, just use the one with 2025 01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:02.880 you know. 2026 01:41:02.840 --> 01:41:04.600 What I'm gonna I'm just gonna sing it myself because 2027 01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:06.039 I don't want to hear Valentine trying to sing. 2028 01:41:06.079 --> 01:41:07.800 But thank you everyone for tuning in to us. 2029 01:41:07.840 --> 01:41:09.319 How about resting in the six here in the Golden 2030 01:41:09.319 --> 01:41:11.680 in a podcast with Sean Mooney, I'm see fall he 2031 01:41:11.840 --> 01:41:14.319 Shan Mooney, who have a great day and we'll see 2032 01:41:14.359 --> 01:41:14.880 you next time. 2033 01:41:15.880 --> 01:41:19.079 It's the Golden Age, I'll tell me, tell you. 2034 01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:21.560 Not to this. 2035 01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:26.640 I so fancy sat into Refield history, down to the 2036 01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:29.439 gold and tell me to Bie