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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing, Patricia.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine, how about you?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely excited to share yet another conversation with you because

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I love the way that you're able to use your

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words to move us, and it's done so in a

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way that makes us wiser. Plus on top of that,

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it teases our imaginations and it also challenges us to

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create solutions. Because that's the kind of writer you are,

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You get inside us to make it even greater.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Where does that art come from? Because you have really

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mastered it, especially in sharp force. Because there's something about

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this book. I can't put the dang thing down, and

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I can't be the only one who was saying that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what I tried to do with

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this book is I always ask a question of myself

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what am.

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Speaker 1: I curious about?

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Speaker 3: And I've always been curious about ghosts. I mean, you're

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always hearing people talk about experiences they've had, and listen,

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I've had them too. And I bet some of you

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where you hear weird noise or maybe you see something

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that doesn't make any sense, especially in a place that

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has that you suspect could be haunted. And so I thought, well,

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I can't have a ghost that's going around killing people.

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Obviously it has to I mean, there has to be

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something plausible about this. So how could I play with this?

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So I thought, well, holographic technology is very ghost like.

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We all remember seeing when Michael Jackson's hologram was on

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a stage and people started crying in the audience because

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it looked like he was there.

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Speaker 1: This, of course was after he was not, you know,

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he was.

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Speaker 3: Dead, and so I want to do So what I

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came up with is this phantom slasher is a killer

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who uses modern technology to create a hologram that he

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stocks victims with. So these people will see this horrible

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phantom like figure that's levitating up a street, or it

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appears in their bedroom, and this is the precursor to

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them being murdered by this individual because he actually uses

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this not just to terrorize people, but to spy on them.

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And there are technologies. Everything I have in that book

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is either being done now or it will be done,

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and it's.

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Speaker 1: In the work. So it is not make believe technology

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that this kind of thing. You could have what looks

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like a ghost passed through your wall and it's talking to.

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Speaker 3: You at the foot of your bed. And meanwhile it's

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relaying everything straight back to the person at the controls.

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Speaker 1: So that's what Scarpett is up against and and it's

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but it also appeals, I think, to our kind of

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childlike imagination.

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Speaker 2: Please tell me that when this idea came to you, Patricia,

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that you were like most creative people, when you have

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an idea like this, it's so far out there, and

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yet inside you're going, oh, yeah, yeah, this is the

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way we're going. I like this.

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Speaker 3: Well, and then what I do is I get on

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the phone with one of my really smart technical people

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and say, Okay, how do we make this scientifically?

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Speaker 1: How does this work?

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Speaker 3: Because it has to up And that's always my rule.

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Speaker 1: My rule for.

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Speaker 3: Every scarpet of book is whatever I show you, no

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matter how futuristic it might seem, it has to be

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within the realm of possibility.

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Speaker 1: That's my rule.

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Speaker 2: Well, Well, when doctor k is brought into a story

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like this, I always sit there and I wonder does

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she roll her eyes when a news story begins, or

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does she sit there and become ignited by going here

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we go again? Come on, it's time to.

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Speaker 3: Me she doesn't roll her eyes because I don't think

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she knows I exist, I think, I mean, you know,

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for her, she's minding her own business and you know,

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it's bleep in bed and at three o'clock in the

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morning or whatever, and she and Benton are getting ready

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to fly to London the next day for vacation, but

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of course the phone rings and she's not going on vacation.

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and that's that that makes it fun too, you know,

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weather the holiday, it's snowy, it's Christmas, and she's in

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the morgue and then she gets another case of this

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Speaker 1: So I think people are and have a lot of

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Speaker 2: I love where you are going with this. And the

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reason why is because over the past two to three

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this fits directly into that, because we do want that

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little bit of a scare, we also want that holiday feeling.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I mean I love to hear that, and it is

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fun because it just gives you so much.

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Speaker 1: What I would say is it gives you more crayons.

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Speaker 3: When you've got a holiday season like Christmas, which is

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Speaker 1: With all kinds of emotion and visual.

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Speaker 3: Effects, and then you get a snowstorm on top of it.

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And here's for scarpetit trying to drive somewhere where she's

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dropping off personal effects to somebody's house.

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Speaker 1: And it's I.

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Speaker 3: Don't think one of the things that we see with Scarpetta,

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and I say this is if I didn't create her,

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because I sometimes feel like she exists on her own.

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But she always shows compassion and she has heart towards

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the people that she has to deal with, you know,

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like the families. And we really see that when she

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goes because of Christmas Eve when the book opens, Yeah,

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and she wants to drop off this she's been doing

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this autopsy and one of the things found in the

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dead man's pocket is the Christmas present for his wife,

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and so Scarpetta, she's it's close to where she lives anyway,

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she decides to drop by the house to go bring

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these things over, and of course, your that opens up

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a whole nother story too, because that's unusual. We usually

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medical examiners don't do that, but she wants to in

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this case, you'll make more sense when you read it,

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because the lady has twins, you know, to twin children,

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and she just feels very bad for them.

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Speaker 2: Please do not move. There's more with Patricia Cornwell coming

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up next the name of her latest book, Sharp Force.

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We are back with author Patricia Cornwell. Do you feel

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doctor Sarpenna is also inside of you? Because I mean

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the way that you go into even when you were

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doing what you were doing before writing, you still had

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to have those moments of fear and you can't just

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you can't be stunned. You've got to keep going no

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matter what.

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Speaker 3: That's right. But when you ask a Scarpetta, is she

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somebody that's kind of inside me? What I feel like

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I do is I kind of channeled this character and

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I do have a very good understanding of how she's

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going to react to things and how she's going.

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Speaker 1: To handle a problem.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things about her is that she's

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a lot more fearful than she is.

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Speaker 3: If some of that stuff happened to me, and just

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that happens to her in this book, I.

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Speaker 1: Tell you what, I'd probably be hiding somewhere. But not her.

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I mean she runs right into it and takes care

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of what needs to be done. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, though, Patricia, is the fact that

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when we don't have that fear factor going on, there

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you must be cold in the heart end. It's not

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that I'm cold. I want the damn stories. What I

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and I feel that the doctor is doing exactly that.

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what is going on with this hologram. We're trying to

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figure out, you know, what is going to because I mean,

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if we're gonna sit here and talk about the paranormal,

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Speaker 3: Well, one thing, she knows there may be a hint

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of paranormal here, but when she gets to a scene,

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that body on the bed is definitely not something that's

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made up. And so I mean, there is nothing paranormal

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about what's going on, but it certainly does.

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Speaker 1: Look like it. And if you and.

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Speaker 3: I saw this phantom hologram, I mean it would be

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pretty freaked out if we looked at our window and

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saw this thing. And there's going to come a day

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when we're going to because technology and artificial intelligence proliferating

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at the speed of light, and they'll be already. There

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are things we see it every day on social media

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where you don't know whether something you're looking.

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Speaker 1: At is real or not.

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Speaker 2: It's right. See you brought up Michael Jackson. I remember

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watching Queen in Concert live and they brought out Freddie

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Mercury in a hologram and that scared the bajeebis out

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of me. It was way too real.

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Speaker 1: And wait till we start seeing more of that. And

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wait till you're seeing.

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Speaker 3: These sorts of creations that are computer their computer creations.

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interesting time we live in and everybody needs to pay attention,

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so you make sure you know what's going on around you.

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Speaker 2: I got to ask you a question only because I'm

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a published author as well, and because I really am

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into the marketing of a book cover. And I know

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they say don't judge a book by its cover, but

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whoever did the marketing on yours is brilliant because I

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see sharp force, I see your beautiful name on there.

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know what that red line represents. I know what my

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interpretation is it To me, it represents a continuation. It's

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also powerful because it's the color red. What is the

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reason for that single red line on the front cover.

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Speaker 3: I think what it's to evoke is the why incision.

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scalpel blade running down a body, I think there's supposed

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Speaker 1: Bit of an.

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Speaker 3: Impressionistic of the autopsy or it could you know, since

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I didn't create that book jacket obviously, I mean I

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did suggest that put that creepy psychiatric hospital.

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Speaker 1: Time's not scary. Yeah, Mercy Island. There's nothing mercy merciful

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about it. But the artistic director who created that I

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Speaker 3: But that's what it evokes to me. Is I sort

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of see a cut like an incision.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you dedicate the book to Stacy and Charles. I mean, wow, See,

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that's one of my favorite parts in a book, because

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I want to know where was the author and why

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is this book so important to be able to go

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to these as well? So, but we never get to

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hear the story of Stacy as well as Charles Well.

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Speaker 3: Stacy is my partner and she's she lives through the

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book process every year with me.

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Speaker 1: Poor thing. I feel so sorry for.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how she stands it. Charles Charles Cornwell

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was my first He was my husband a long time ago.

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He was my english professor at Davidson. And one of

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the reasons I also dedicated the book to Charlie is

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sadly he died last fall, and I knew he was

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very sick with cancer, and he was my private editor

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for many years and we were very good friends, and

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so I wanted to acknowledge him. And you'll hear more

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about him next spring because I've written a memoir that's

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coming out, and you'll learn all kinds of things about

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people from my past and what my life has been like.

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Speaker 1: Serious.

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Speaker 2: It's about darn time, because you and I have talked

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so much, but I only get pieces parts of your story.

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And I've always believed that if you don't share your story,

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someone else is going to write it for you. And

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with all of your books and things, we're writing your

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story for you. Now we get to see the real deal.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, you learn all kinds of things that you

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Speaker 3: Very much backstage of what of the SCARPETI series? You

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know how it started my very earliest years, Why I

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did it, where I got even where her name comes from.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me all this minutia you will you will get well.

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Speaker 2: So now making or helping a story become real picture form,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it could ever match.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, when people imagine characters from any story,

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that's that's really very personal to them, and you always

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hear that nobody that somebody didn't think this actor looked

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like the character as they imagined them. But the way

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I the way I come come to this table the

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TV show is that I really don't want to have

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such a preconceived image of these characters, and I probably

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have less of one than my reader.

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Speaker 1: That's the truth. So I was delighted with Nicole Kittman

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playing Scarpetta, and by the.

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Speaker 3: Way, she's doing an amazing job. I mean, I've seen

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the eight episodes that everybody's going to watch next year

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and she's phenomenal as Scarpetta, and Jamie Lee Curtis as

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her sister is just unbelievable. I think you can imagine

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in the two of them when they're in scenes together.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's like a it's epic. So I think

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that everyone's going to have a lot of fun with this. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got to give you compliments on this picture

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of you on the back of the book. It is

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absolutely stunning. It is one of my absolute favorite pictures

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of you. And it's just, oh, oh my god, because

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I've been a fan from the very beginning and you

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just it's that warm smile that says, hey, by the way,

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you think you've read all my books, wait till you

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read this one.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's always fun to talk to you again.

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Speaker 2: Well, please come back to this show anytime in the future,

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because the door is always going to be open for you.

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And I really want to talk to you when that

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other book about you comes out, because then we get

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to break down you.

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Speaker 1: Well, we will do that.

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Speaker 3: We will talk about it, and I look forward to

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sharing my life story with people who've.

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Speaker 1: Been reading my books for all these years.

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Speaker 3: I think one thing that it will show you is

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that even if you're so lucky as I've been to

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have success at something, there are many things in your

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life that didn't feel very successful and that shouldn't be discouraged.

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And don't give up, especially artists, because I've certainly had

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a long string of failures before I finally wrote anything

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that got published, and so I think that's important for.

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Speaker 1: Everybody to know.

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Speaker 2: Randy Buckman from Backwin Turner Overdrive said, you know my hits,

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but you don't know my strikeouts, And that's exactly what

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you just said.

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Speaker 3: Wow, thank you.

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Speaker 2: You've got to come back to this show anytime in

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the future.

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Speaker 1: We will do it.

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Speaker 2: Excellent, be brilliant today, okay, Patricia, Oh yes, well, thank you,