WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:01.159 All right, what's going on? 2 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:04.679 Drivetime Tuesday afternoon, about eleven minutes past the hour of 3 00:00:04.679 --> 00:00:08.400 two o'clock. It was snowing earlier today, then we had 4 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:11.160 a little sunshine and now it's settled a little cloudy, 5 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:14.080 about forty two degrees here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. 6 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:16.359 A lot of snow over the weekend up in the mountains. 7 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:18.960 Good for our resorts and good for the folks that 8 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:21.000 travel out to Utah to do a little skiing this 9 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:23.719 Sumer year. Happy Tuesday, or if you had a great 10 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:26.000 long weekend, and as it is every day, it's going 11 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:27.120 to have you along for the ride. 12 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:28.359 Spence check, it's beyond the mic. 13 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:32.600 That's Porter Larsen behind the glass jam Packed Tuesday Show. 14 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:35.600 Since we were off yesterday, we'll do a little all 15 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:38.560 star stuff. We're gonna talk about it, I mean, ultimately 16 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:39.640 talked about. 17 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:41.200 It during Crosstock with Sean today. 18 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:43.960 I don't know how you fix a product when the 19 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:46.399 people involved in said product don't seem to give a 20 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:49.520 rip about showing up for their job. Whether you play 21 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:53.000 it in Europe, whether you play it in Utah, whether 22 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:57.479 you play it in the Bay Area. It's just continued 23 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:00.479 to manifest itself as something that the league even look 24 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:02.840 at doing away with. I know that sounds wild, but 25 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:05.480 that's what I was thinking. Over the weekend, we did 26 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:09.200 see some fun moments for Keante George with the Rising 27 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:11.840 Stars stuff and he was able to play on Sundays. 28 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:16.840 A lot of dissenting voices, including an employee of Pro Basketball, 29 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:20.000 namely Draymond Green, and his thoughts on the weekend. That 30 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:22.840 was but kind of the halfway home point as far 31 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:26.200 as the calendar goes for teams that will be playing 32 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:28.400 in the postseason. Of course, that does not include our 33 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:31.000 local basketball team, the Utah Jazz. The Jazz will be 34 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:36.359 back in action coming up on Thursday against OKAC, and 35 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.200 we'll see what they do over the final you know, 36 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:39.480 thirty ish games or so. 37 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:41.280 Most teams are in that same space. 38 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:43.680 I would imagine we're gonna see a lot of players 39 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:46.840 resting in order to lose as many games as possible 40 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:49.599 down the stretch. And so we'll do some Jazz today, 41 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:52.120 We'll do some NBA basketball today, we'll do some All 42 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:56.159 Star stuff as well. The Four Nations face off, by 43 00:01:56.280 --> 00:02:00.840 far was the most exciting in thralling sport events that 44 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:03.560 I watched all weekend long, and the final is going 45 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:06.280 to be a rematch of US and Canada in Boston, 46 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:09.639 which is a great hockey city, and so we do 47 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:12.159 have some local boys. Ali Mata had the game ted 48 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:15.879 assists for Finland. But only one more game left and 49 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.639 it is the US and Canada coming up on Thursday night. 50 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:21.960 Excited for that one. College basketball starting to get pretty 51 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:24.800 pretty exciting. Shout out to the University of Utah men's 52 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:28.319 basketball team for their exciting play since you and I 53 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:32.439 last spoke on Friday, a home win against Kansas Rock 54 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:34.960 Chok Jayhawk. They sent them home with an l seventy 55 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:36.719 four to sixty seven and followed it up with a 56 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.840 nice win against k State last night seventy four to 57 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:42.759 sixty nine on the road at UCF, on the road 58 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:45.919 at Arizona home against Arizona State in West Virginia, then 59 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:49.840 closing out against Brigham Young. Only five regular season games 60 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:52.319 left for Craig Smith and his boys, and can we 61 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:54.439 get a little weird and start talking about what could 62 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:57.840 be possible after taking both games against the Kansas teams. 63 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:01.520 So we'll do some college basketball on the show today 64 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:05.199 BYU will take on the aforementioned Kansas Jayhawks tonight down 65 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:08.560 in Provo, and Brigham Young was able to beat Kansas 66 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:12.000 State on Saturday in West Virginia. 67 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:14.520 Excuse me, after they beat West Virginia in Provo. 68 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:17.800 They beat Case State on Saturday, and they are firmly 69 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:20.759 entrenched as of now right in the NCAA tournament picture. 70 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:22.560 So we'll get to some of that. Utah State was 71 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:24.800 on the road since you and I last spoke. They 72 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:26.960 lost to New Mexico again. New Mexico is the first 73 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:29.719 place team now in the Mountain West Conference by a 74 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:33.520 couple of games over the Aggies. It is franchised tag day. 75 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:36.879 In Pro football, a lot of attention on the Cincinnati Bengals, 76 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:40.280 what will they do with t Higgins. Minnesota Vikings have 77 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:42.960 a decision to make under senter with Sam Darnold, so 78 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:45.759 a little pro football as well, and college football randomly 79 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:50.240 pretty topical today. There are some very very real serious 80 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.479 meetings going on in New Orleans, and according to Stuart 81 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:56.159 Mandel from the Athletic piece that I read from Stewart today, 82 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:59.479 he's calling it a hostile takeover of college football between 83 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:00.759 the Big ten the SEC. 84 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:02.919 So unpack some of that on the show today. 85 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:05.960 We have some good college football guests in addition to 86 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:09.280 some NBA and some you know, some college basketball as well. 87 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:12.759 And oh, by the way, the Genesis Invitational over the weekend, 88 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:16.399 our guy Tony Fenow takes on McCool seven hundred and 89 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.800 thirty six k for finishing fifth. And the world of 90 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:21.959 pro golf starting to get really interesting as well. You 91 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:24.480 can watch them pro golfers hit on a simulator tonight, 92 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:28.519 including one Eldrick tiger Woods. But happy to see Tony 93 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:30.600 off to a great star. We saw the Daytona five 94 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.639 hundred over the weekend. Did you watch the SNL fifty special? 95 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:37.160 My goodness, jam packed lot to do. Good to have 96 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:38.439 you with us on a Tuesday. I hope you had 97 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:40.399 some time off over the weekend. All right, we'll start 98 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:42.800 things off today with a Roxy Bernstein, who's beefing with 99 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:43.519 Corney Cox. 100 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:44.360 It's the real thing. 101 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:48.920 Do some college football, excuse me, some college basketball, then 102 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.959 some hockey with Roxy today. He's a good friend of 103 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:53.959 the show. Got to know him during the PAC twelve years, 104 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.959 so he'll stop by today. Tim McMahon, NBA Daily Assists Style. 105 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:00.439 Tim was not present in the Bay Area for him. 106 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:02.199 He took some time off, so we'll do some all 107 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:04.800 star stuff, some jazz stuff with Tim Matt Brown, extra 108 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:07.279 points for the latest in the world of college football, 109 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:10.079 namely these meetings going on down in New Orleans with 110 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:12.560 the powers that be in the Big ten in the SEC, 111 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:17.120 and the latest with some private equity groups looking to 112 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:20.480 invest in collegiate athletics. We'll bring that in today. And 113 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:23.439 then Dave Fox. He has two pelotons, he has two Emmys. 114 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:26.199 It's a real thing. Let's get a stop bit during 115 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:28.879 the four o'clock hour. I'll take this opportunity to let 116 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:30.959 you guys know that I will be on television with 117 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:34.560 Dave tonight ten thirty five km YU. We call it 118 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:37.600 talking Jazz. Excited for that one tonight, so check it out. 119 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:39.920 Dave's going to be live in studio on this Tuesday, 120 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:44.480 Roxy Bernstein, Timmickman, Matt Brown, Dave Fox, Me, Spence Checkets, 121 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:46.639 all of you, the great listeners, and that guy Porter Larson. 122 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.120 So jam packed weekend, a lot of options if you 123 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.519 had to land on one sporting event. I don't know 124 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:55.519 if you're an SNL guy, but what caught the Porter 125 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:57.680 Larson antenna more than anything else since you and I 126 00:05:57.800 --> 00:05:58.759 last spoke on Friday. 127 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:02.439 Yeah, I mean you mentioned the All Star Game, and 128 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:05.600 that was because of what it is and what it 129 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.199 historically is is what kind of had my antenna. 130 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:10.560 But it was, you know, it was. 131 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:13.720 It was not necessarily overwhelming when it comes to the 132 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:15.560 All Star weekend. I thought there were some good moments 133 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:19.279 on Saturday. I think what they tried. I'm glad they're 134 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:22.160 trying things, I guess on Sunday night as far as 135 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:25.040 the actual All Star Game goes. But adding non All 136 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.199 Stars to the game and then adding a bunch of 137 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:29.600 breaks with YouTube stars and Kevin Hart is not going 138 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:32.240 to fix the All Star Game. Hot take there, I guess. 139 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:36.519 But that's kind of where the antenna was. And I'm 140 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:40.959 not sure that I was entirely thrilled with the weekend, 141 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:45.000 but it's what it, you know, for what it's supposed 142 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.759 to be, just a celebration of the game, celebration of 143 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.000 the players. I'm not gonna expect too much of the 144 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:52.519 All Star Game, and that's probably the right way to 145 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:53.040 approach That. 146 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:54.199 Is the right way to approach it. 147 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:55.720 So we'll get to some of that stuff on the 148 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:58.480 show today. Again, it is Franchise Tag Day in the NFL. 149 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.279 Any pro football news that comes our way, we will 150 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:03.160 bring it to you. Our first guests right out of 151 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.000 the gates will be Roxy burn Steam. But before we 152 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.480 get to Roxy, Curtis of our good friends at Prize Picks. 153 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:10.319 On a Tuesday, it's time now for your opening tip. 154 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:13.360 All right, shout out to Prize Picks, the best place 155 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:15.120 to get a real money sports action. 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Look, the conversation 177 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:16.800 for far too long after NBA All Star weekend is okay, 178 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:21.560 did the format change work? Are the players actually showing up, 179 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:25.680 carrying and playing hard? What should we do about the 180 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:28.800 NBA All Star Game? And for the first time, I mean, look, 181 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.000 two years ago, I was here in the city porter 182 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:32.399 and I went down to a couple events. 183 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:34.039 It was a lot of fun. I had some family 184 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:34.399 in town. 185 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:35.879 I was able to take my son to a bunch 186 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:38.120 of things and say hi to a lot of old 187 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:39.799 friends that I hadn't seen for quite some time. When 188 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.360 it's in your city, it hits a little differently. Jazz 189 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:45.639 had an All Star that year. It was lowry marketing, 190 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:52.159 but watching it on television hasn't been intriguing and interesting 191 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.799 if we're honest, probably for fifteen years or so, and 192 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:59.639 maybe even longer than that. I mean, the last really 193 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:02.200 fun close All Star game I can remember. 194 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:04.919 Might have been in two thousand and one. 195 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:06.360 Now, I'm not going to be the old guy that 196 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:08.360 yells at you to get off my lawn all day 197 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:12.159 about this. But here's the right format. Okay, if you 198 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:15.639 want to solve this thing, here's the right format. It's 199 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:19.360 the same format it's always been with the players caring 200 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:23.559 about the product. That's the there's your solution, Adam Silver, 201 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:26.559 Play a regular All Star game and make sure your 202 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:29.559 players care about it. That's the format. That's the solution. 203 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:33.360 Here's the rub. They don't and they're not going to start. 204 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:36.720 There's nothing that can motivate these players to care. You know, 205 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:39.159 they change it up with a group of teams, you know, 206 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:42.600 one team from the you know, the Saturday Night cluster 207 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:46.360 of rising stars players including Keante, George Advance on a Sunday. 208 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:48.799 A lot of old heads were upset that these young 209 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:51.679 players had the opportunity to play in an All Star 210 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:54.320 format on Sunday. That's something you are supposed to earn. 211 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:58.159 And then ultimately, I do think it did solve one thing. 212 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:01.279 I saw a little bit more intensity. There were some 213 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:05.120 defensive stops, but there was not enough of a care 214 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:08.480 factor from start to finish of this mini tournament, and 215 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:11.679 the format was just horrific. Now I am a grown up, 216 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:14.759 I understand this is a front facing, revenue generating product 217 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:17.919 and you have advertisers that you have to appease because 218 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:20.799 the lifeblood of all sports right now is live TV rights, 219 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:23.360 and the NBA is about to launch into a seventy 220 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:26.120 eight billion dollar television deal, okay, and that is going 221 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:29.799 to get a lot of people paid, not like they needed, 222 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:32.240 but you know, paid, to the point where it's almost 223 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:36.000 like the NBA is running itself like a fortune five 224 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:38.759 hundred company in a way that Now David Stearn very 225 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:40.639 much was a business man, don't get me wrong. I 226 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:43.080 mean he understood that in order for this thing to survive, 227 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:45.879 you had to find revenue streams and you had to 228 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:47.679 make money, and you had to make sure the players 229 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:50.480 got paid and the owners, you know, were paid for 230 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:53.480 their investment in the product. And you know, so it's 231 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:55.919 not like running this thing like a business is new. 232 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.879 Running it only like a business is new, is what 233 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:02.120 I'm saying. Like that is your main priority and they're 234 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:04.799 so front facing and arrogant about it that it's such 235 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:06.039 a turnoff. 236 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:08.399 Like we need do we really need. 237 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:11.080 Twenty minutes of freaking Kevin Hart's first of all, I 238 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.039 don't need twenty minutes of Kevin Hart stand up ever. 239 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:15.759 You know, there are all there are these things that 240 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:19.799 occasionally remind me that this generation up behind me, like 241 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.320 people in the early thirties, I don't relate to you 242 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:25.320 at all. One of them's Pete Davidson, Like I've never 243 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:28.039 Pete Davidson has never said one thing that I think 244 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:30.240 is funny. I've never seen him on an SNL skit 245 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:32.480 that I think is funny. I've never heard like a 246 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:34.120 stand up bit that I think it's I don't think 247 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:34.600 he's clever. 248 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:35.799 I don't think he's witty. 249 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:38.240 I don't think he's funny, Like congrats on the dating scene, bro, 250 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:41.080 but like, get off my television. It's annoying. And I 251 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:44.000 don't get Kevin Hart. I just don't. I respect the grind. 252 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.279 That dude works as hard as anybody in any industry. 253 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.480 I respect it. I just don't think he's funny. I 254 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:50.600 don't think he's a funny stand up comic. I think 255 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:52.440 he's okay in movies here or there, and I think 256 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.120 he did a pretty good job, like m seeing that 257 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:57.720 Brady Roast thing. But Kevin Hart with a microphone makes 258 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:00.399 me want to turn my television off. And if I'm 259 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:02.879 a player and I just finished a game and I 260 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:05.200 have to sit for twenty five minutes while Kevin Hart 261 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:08.000 makes fun of Shaq's hat and his turtleneck, I am 262 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:11.960 beyond irritated. If you've ever played at any level, you 263 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:13.600 know that if you go hard for a minute and 264 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:16.519 then you have to sit for twenty Even Jokic was like, 265 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:18.480 they asked him like, hey, what'd you do during the break? 266 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.960 He's like, I just got tight, That's all I did. 267 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.279 You're asking these players, some of whom on Shack Squad 268 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:29.240 the Og Squad are up in their early and mid thirties. Okay, 269 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:32.879 go hard for this game and then sit and watch 270 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:36.360 a tribute to Inside the NBA on TNT. And by 271 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:39.720 the way, I'm good with those tributes. That show rules. 272 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:42.519 It's one of my favorite shows on television. But every 273 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:45.679 single time there's some NBA event, there's a break to 274 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.679 honor that show for fifteen or twenty minutes. I'm set 275 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:51.399 everything's online. Okay, if you want to go find your 276 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:54.320 inside the NBA tribute, go get it online. Don't put 277 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:57.159 it on my television when I tune in to watch 278 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:59.879 the best basketball players on the planet do dope thing. 279 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:02.720 That's what the All Star Weekend to me, has always 280 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:05.639 been about, the best athletes, the best players doing really 281 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.480 cool things. And they had to find a G League 282 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:12.320 player to save the dunk contest. And Mac McClung is 283 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:16.519 an incredibly talented dunker. I'm not taking anything away from him, 284 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:21.519 but it's this cowardice and this soft approach from the 285 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:26.200 modern NBA players that has ruined this entire thing. And again, 286 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:28.799 I will not simply harken back to the old days 287 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.240 all the time, because I'm now to the point where 288 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:33.879 if I'm the NBA, I believe the only approach is 289 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.879 to admit to everybody this thing is a farce. It 290 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:39.879 is simply a think about it like you're watching You're 291 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:42.600 walking in to watch John Wick three. Okay, you are 292 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:45.639 tuned into a movie. These guys don't give a rip. Okay, 293 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.919 We're simply going to celebrate the league in a very 294 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:52.759 non serious way instead of trying to sell it like 295 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:55.399 it used to be, and that is truly the best 296 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.519 basketball players on the planet playing the best pickup game 297 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:00.320 on the planet was the All Star Game. 298 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:00.960 Back in the day. 299 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:03.240 We had one of the best ones here in ninety 300 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:06.320 three when John and Carl won co MVPs. And yes, 301 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:08.480 there were times back in the day where the first 302 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:10.360 you know, a couple of quarters, maybe they're not going 303 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:12.720 all that hard, but you go back and watch all 304 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:15.000 of those games down the stretch, those dudes were trying 305 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:16.639 to win and they were trying to kill each other. 306 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:20.720 And Kobe kind of nailed this a number of years ago, 307 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:22.720 a couple of years after Kobe retired, he gave a 308 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:27.039 very honest assessment of the NBA and those comments have 309 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:30.600 aged brilliantly. Obviously, Kobe passing away tragically in that helicopter 310 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:35.679 accident called the way the league is going accidental basketball. Essentially, 311 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:37.720 it's just driving kick and then it's make or miss, 312 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:40.440 and there's no nuance. And there are some players that 313 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:43.200 still have the nuanced approach and look, love him or 314 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:45.440 hate him. Lebron is one of them. But that was 315 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:48.320 a bad look for Lebron just decides to show up 316 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.480 and he's like, yeah, I'm good. I'm just not playing 317 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:54.120 and Lebron wields so much power nobody can say anything 318 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.960 to him, and it ultimately leads me to landing the. 319 00:14:56.960 --> 00:14:57.919 Plane on this. 320 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:02.600 The problem ultimately with All Star weekend, the problem ultimately 321 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:05.720 with NBA regular season basketball. And you can draw a 322 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:09.840 straight line between where we're at now and the time 323 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:14.279 when the players were able to collectively bargain to receive 324 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:18.360 and let me be clear, their fair share of basketball 325 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.600 related income. For years, the scales were very, very tipped 326 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:26.360 in the favor into the favor of the owners period, 327 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:28.440 and of story, I mean the owners. It was like 328 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:32.120 this oligarchy for a long time, old rich white dudes 329 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:34.879 making money on the back of players, and the players 330 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:37.159 really needing to play for a paycheck. 331 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:41.200 Right, So I am for this shift that happened. 332 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:44.159 I feel the same way about player compensation in the 333 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:47.720 pros as I do about the player compensation in college. 334 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:50.120 For years and years and years, it was highly unfair. 335 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.120 The college athletes were the only people in our country 336 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.879 that did not have the same basic economic rights as 337 00:15:56.919 --> 00:15:57.639 the rest of us. 338 00:15:58.039 --> 00:15:59.200 That's been rectified. 339 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:01.679 Has it affected the I don't think so as of 340 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:04.320 now on a massive level, But as we move forward, 341 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.320 people are really nervous. And for years and years and years, 342 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:10.279 it was kind of odd as the NBA started to 343 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.120 rise and TV deals started to go through the roof, 344 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.440 and you know, it was Magic and Bird. That was 345 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:18.519 kind of the early thing with the Lakers and the Celtics. 346 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:21.759 And then Mike comes in and changes everything, and David 347 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:24.600 Stern as the commissioner, was able to lead this thing 348 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:27.799 into a position where the money started piling in and 349 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:30.679 the players were not receiving their fair share. So I 350 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.879 am four the players receiving their fair share. The problem 351 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:38.519 is when contracts became guaranteed and a player could show 352 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:40.639 up and be like, Hey, I'm playing without pants tonight 353 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.879 just so you know, and it doesn't matter because he's 354 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:46.799 still getting paid. That is a direct line between now 355 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:49.840 and that moment when this league started to decline with 356 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:52.759 the care factor of the players, and that is a problem. 357 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:54.600 It's not all on the players. 358 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:56.879 Okay, we heard Zion Williamson a couple of weeks ago 359 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:59.279 when he was asked about not playing back to backs 360 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:00.960 for a kid that's still in his twenties. He's like, 361 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.840 it's not my call, it's the team. So it's not 362 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:06.799 all on the players, but this All Star weekend to 363 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:09.759 me was a microcosm of a bigger issue with the 364 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:13.640 product of pro basketball. Now, as I reference, they're about 365 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:16.759 to enter a seventy eight billion dollar television windfall. So 366 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:18.960 if they hear anybody say, yeah, you have a problem, 367 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.039 they'll just email their P and L statement and say 368 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:24.400 where's the problem. But if you're only running a pro 369 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:27.160 sports league as if it's a fortune five hundred business 370 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:30.319 and that's all, it is not an entertainment product where 371 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.359 you owe your fans, who essentially pay the bills by 372 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:36.400 either attending or watching games, I do think you have 373 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:37.039 an issue. 374 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:39.640 Now. Occasionally we hear the quiet part out loud. 375 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:41.640 Jason Kidd a couple of years ago after the MAVs 376 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:43.720 lost in the playoffs to the media and the fans, 377 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:44.920 You guys don't get it. 378 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:49.200 We are simply millionaires cheering for each other. And when 379 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:49.640 you hear it. 380 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:51.519 Out loud, you're like, oh, dude. 381 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:54.400 Okay, Well, I guess I guess there's the motivation. 382 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:57.440 I guess that's their attitude. Kevin Durant saying, you guys 383 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:59.839 don't get it. Nobody ever talks about the fans nobody 384 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:03.839 ever gives a rip about the fans. So look, I 385 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:06.319 am a fan of pro basketball. I've been around in 386 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:08.599 my entire life. I've covered it now twenty years, and 387 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:10.599 covered the Jazz and worked over there for a long time. 388 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:12.200 I will continue to cover the league. 389 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:15.400 And I do believe playoff basketball is awesome, because basketball 390 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:19.160 is awesome when the best players in the world play 391 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:19.880 and they care. 392 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:22.960 But if you don't care, we don't care. 393 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:26.279 I was watching this show, I think it was Hulu 394 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:31.640 last week, and it had the biggest beefs in celebrity 395 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:35.599 I think it was the nineties, the biggest beef between 396 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:38.400 celebrities and the nineties, right, and they're going back and forth, 397 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:42.839 you know, a lot of Tupac Biggie, you know, and 398 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.799 they were ranking them, you know, they're ranking them, and 399 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:49.400 for some reason they completely decided to ignore the Roxy 400 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:50.839 Bernstein Courtney Cox beef. 401 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:53.240 I thought it was malfeasance on their part. Interesting, was 402 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:55.319 this to see an end thing? Was it the nineties 403 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:56.160 documentary or whatever? 404 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:59.039 It was the nineties, like, biggest beefs between celebrities and 405 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:01.519 the nineties, And for my money, I don't know that 406 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:03.880 there's a bigger beef between, you know, than between our 407 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.119 next guest, Roxy Burns steaming the Great Corney Cox Roxy. 408 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:07.960 Happy Tuesday, sir. 409 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.480 How are you, Spence? I just want to know with 410 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:13.279 Vanilla Ice and Sugar Knight on there was that part 411 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:14.279 of the beef it was not. 412 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:16.480 But Shug I think was featured I think three or 413 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:20.920 four times, which is not surprising at all. 414 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:21.799 How you been, my friend? 415 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:26.119 I'm good, you know, busy. It's getting the real grind 416 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.839 of the season. But I'm good, you know, bouncing around 417 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:29.440 doing what I do. 418 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.000 There you go, there, you go? All right? 419 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:34.720 Right off the top. Is there any way to fix 420 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:36.240 the NBA All Star Game? 421 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:41.480 I don't know, to be honest with you, right, and 422 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:44.240 there is there a way to duplicate what the NHL 423 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:49.079 slash hockey has done. Considering how great this four nation's 424 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:53.759 face off has been and the anticipation that a lot 425 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:56.839 of people have for Thursday night with the final between 426 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:59.559 US and Canada, I mean, is there a way to 427 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.519 generate internationally? And will they care enough? That's the other thing, 428 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.319 And I'm not exactly sure, Spence, what you can do 429 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:10.799 to make the NBA players care. They tried to do 430 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:13.319 something different this year. I think there was a little 431 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:18.880 bit more of a player participation and excitement about it, 432 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:21.359 but I wouldn't even come close to putting on the 433 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:23.960 same level what hockey's doing right now. 434 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.920 Yeah, and we'll get talking in a moment, because the 435 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:30.640 Four Nations Canada US game, by far was the dopest 436 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:32.400 thing I watched all weekend. So we'll get to that 437 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:35.559 in a moment. But I don't know that the NBA 438 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:38.359 at this point roxy has any other choice than just 439 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:41.240 to admit what we're all seeing, and that is nobody 440 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:44.799 gives a rip about this. It is simply a celebration 441 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.119 of the league because and I don't want to be 442 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:49.960 the old man yelling at a cloud about this, but 443 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:52.960 you remember, once upon a time that was the greatest. 444 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:54.319 Pickup game in the history of everything. 445 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:58.359 When the best players in the world cared about playing 446 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:00.079 in that game and wanted to beat each other, there 447 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:00.920 was nothing better. 448 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.519 And now, honestly, they's just nothing worse. 449 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:05.880 Because to your point, I don't care if you play 450 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:07.799 it in the Bay, I don't care if you play 451 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:09.839 it in Salt Lake. I don't care if it's US 452 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:13.599 versus International, East versus West. These dudes can't even be 453 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:17.680 bothered to play hard for a for a large portion 454 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.400 and then Lebron shows up and he's like, yeah, I'm out, 455 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:23.039 just so you know, like I'm just not even participating. 456 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:25.839 I think at this point the league just needs. 457 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:28.240 To admit that they're seeing what we're seeing and it's 458 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:29.119 just unwatchable. 459 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:30.799 And then that's just kind of the deal now. 460 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:32.960 You know. 461 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.880 And look, I had an issue with Lebron did this 462 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:39.240 weekend you take the spot from somebody else that could 463 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:44.440 be there and made himself the center of attention in 464 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:46.400 a lot of ways that all of a sudden dropping 465 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:49.519 it on everybody. I am not playing that. That's the 466 00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:53.039 frustrating thing I had with with what Lebron did. But 467 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.000 the NBA, it's, look, I don't want to be this 468 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:58.680 gut off my long guy. But when we were growing up, Spence, 469 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:03.920 Michael Jordan cared right when he wanted to be involved. 470 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:09.039 He had to win and he wasn't alone. Larry Bird 471 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:12.359 took the floor, Magic Johnson. They wanted to win desperately 472 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.960 and it meant something. Now we're exactly going all out 473 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:20.519 and trying at the beginning, no, but when the game 474 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:23.799 mattered and they had to play defense late in the game, 475 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:26.079 or they had to make a physical screen on somebody 476 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.039 they were doing it. You're not seeing that right now 477 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:32.279 with the NBA in the All Star Game, with the 478 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:36.480 young stars and having those teams there. It just is 479 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:39.319 a different feel than it was for whatever reason. 480 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:41.640 Last thing on this. And look, we both work in 481 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:44.279 media and I do some TV. You do a lot 482 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:46.240 of TV and call a lot of games, and so 483 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:49.720 I understand, and I'm a grown up. So this is 484 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:52.799 a front facing, revenue generating product, and you have television 485 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:55.039 partners that you need to take care of. But if 486 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:58.480 I'm a player and I play hard and I get 487 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:00.720 a win and we advance on and then you tell 488 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:02.240 me that I have to sit down and listen to 489 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:04.920 Kevin Hart make fun of Shaq's hat for thirty minutes 490 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:07.799 before I'm playing again, I would be roxy. I would 491 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:10.640 be so annoyed, because you know the deal, Like, if 492 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:12.880 you've ever played any sport at any level, Okay, you 493 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:15.079 play hard for a while and then you sit for 494 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:15.440 a while. 495 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:16.559 What happens? You get tight? 496 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:18.720 Like they even interviewed Yokitch and they're like, hey, what 497 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:21.599 have you done during the break? He's like, I tightened up, 498 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:24.160 you know, like if you're trying to avoid injury the 499 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:27.440 format itself while they're force feeding us Kevin Hart I 500 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:29.480 thought was horribly misguided. 501 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:34.440 They're with you that when you play all right, you 502 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:37.359 want to keep going. You don't want to sit because 503 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:39.599 and as you alluded to, you get stiff and you 504 00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:44.000 make yourself susceptible to an injury. You want to keep going, Like, okay, 505 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:45.880 could you set up two courts? I don't know what 506 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:48.000 you could do if you're going to try to do 507 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.160 a format like this and keep guys going, oh, we 508 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:57.519 got next, right, That's the format that they used is 509 00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:01.519 not viewer friendly and even a friendly to that regard, 510 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:05.680 and there has to be a better solution. I just look, 511 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.359 I'm not smart enough to figure it out. That's the 512 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:11.680 job for Adam Silver in the NBA to try to 513 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:15.640 get a better fit for what this should be. And look, 514 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.559 it's not necessarily a joke like the NFL had become 515 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:23.000 with the Pro Bowl. Baseball does a decent job I 516 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:25.839 think with the All Star Game and making it competitive 517 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:30.039 and guys are out there and they are competing. But 518 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:34.240 right now I'd say that the NBA is probably third 519 00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:37.279 as far as those All Star games. And look, I'm 520 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:40.359 not including the MLS in this, but I think what 521 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:43.440 hockey has right now is clearly number one. I'd put 522 00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:46.440 the Major League Baseball game number two, then a third 523 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:49.920 would be the NBA and they're All Star weekend. 524 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:52.759 Well, somebody didn't watch jaseus for that and the skill 525 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:54.960 challenge in the MLS All Star Game a year ago 526 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:56.759 apparently rock so that you tuned out on that one. 527 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:01.799 Huh Sorry, I I am not up with my MLS. 528 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:04.200 My bad, All good, All good, All right, let's move 529 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:04.920 over to hockey. 530 00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:09.319 And before we talk about what we saw last week 531 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:11.599 and what we could see on Thursday. We are a 532 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:15.319 new hockey market, so give us a little you know, 533 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:20.079 context and maybe even a history lesson US Canada hockey 534 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:23.640 is among the best rivalries in all of sport, period, 535 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:28.839 but help us understand just how how intense this rivalry 536 00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:31.160 has been before we talk about what's in front of us. 537 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:43.839 Now, Hello, did you drop? He's still there? But Roxy, Roxy? 538 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:46.640 Are you there? Hello? Check one? 539 00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:46.799 Two? 540 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:49.720 All right, we'll try to get Roxy back. Four nations 541 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.960 face off coming up on Thursday. That will be the 542 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:56.559 final US Canada. It's going to be played in Boston. 543 00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:59.359 Which is a great hockey city. After the US was 544 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:02.319 able to be cam a two to one in an 545 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:05.599 event that saw three fights in the first nine minutes. 546 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:09.279 So I thought that was one of, if not the 547 00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:13.160 most entertaining products all weekend long. At its peak, five 548 00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:17.720 point four million American viewers watched the tournament. And so 549 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:19.880 this is a new thing that hockey is trying to do, 550 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:23.160 and as of right now, the early returns have been very, 551 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:26.799 very positive. So Matthew, Brady, Kachuck, and j. T. Miller 552 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:28.279 each had a fight to open the game. 553 00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:29.160 JT. 554 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.680 Miller fought a dude that's twice his size. But of 555 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:33.839 course the Kachuck brothers started things off. So let's get 556 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.240 Roxy Bernstein back on Roxy. Unfortunately, we didn't hear any 557 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:39.000 of your answers, so I'll just ask it in a 558 00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:41.680 very short way, give us a little bit of context 559 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:44.240 as to why US Canada in hockey is so intense. 560 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:46.759 Well, that was the best thing I was said all day, 561 00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:47.880 Spence clearly. 562 00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:49.200 Oh damn it, Okay, your best. 563 00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:50.519 You know. 564 00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:54.640 It's funny because of the international stage international hockey, the 565 00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:59.079 it was more Canada Russia when you go back some 566 00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:02.559 years and it's only within the last I don't know, 567 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:06.440 twenty years or so, maybe twenty five years, that the 568 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:10.079 US is really surged and this rivalry is heated up 569 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:15.680 between Canada and the US. And it's clear that this 570 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:20.200 matters to the guys in the dressing room, to USA hockey, 571 00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:25.000 to Canadian hockey, and they went out there and responded 572 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:28.960 like it, especially when you get Matthew Katruck dropping the 573 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.279 gloves right off the opening face off and you get 574 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.480 a brawl going. And the only thing that would have 575 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:37.519 made it more intense, I think Spence is if he 576 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.400 had fought Sam Bennett, initially his teammate in Florida, right 577 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:44.680 instead of Brady Kitchuck fighting Sam Bennett, if you got 578 00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.039 Matthew Kachuck and Sam Bennett fighting each other off the 579 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:56.200 opening draw. But I'm not expecting the same kind of physicality. 580 00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:58.599 If you will, I'm not expecting fights off to get 581 00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:00.680 go on Thursday night. I think it's going to be 582 00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:05.880 a physical hockey game. Could we see some sticks come up, 583 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.039 some pushing and shoving, Yeah, I think we're going to 584 00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:11.720 be witnessing that. But if you look at the wind 585 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.480 and the game settled in, it became a smart, defensive 586 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:19.559 game that the US played, and when you have the 587 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:21.880 best goaltender in the world, which the US does with 588 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.319 Connor Hallibuck, and the way the defense really shut down, 589 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:29.039 I thought the firepower of the Canadians that was more 590 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:32.720 of the story, even though the headlines clearly were the 591 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:36.920 three fights coming in the first nine seconds to get 592 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.359 the night started. And was there a build up from 593 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:41.440 the booing of the anthem. I think there was part 594 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:44.599 of that, and the Kachucks s wore it on their 595 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.279 sleeve out there and took out some aggression. But this 596 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.599 has become a rivalry I think over years just because 597 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:56.200 of the US has elevated their platform on the international 598 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:00.599 stage in hockey, where for years it was Canada and 599 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:02.880 that was international hockey for a lot of people, or 600 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:06.200 I mean Russia and Canada, I should say so. 601 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:09.920 Ultimately, I just was chuckling when I was listening to 602 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.039 some of the coverage earlier today because they were talking 603 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.359 about some of the players that are heard on both sides, 604 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.880 and there was the sound by sound bite where I 605 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.119 think it was Brady Kachuck and may have been Matthew, 606 00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:21.920 one of the Kachuck brothers, was asked like, hey, you 607 00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:24.000 guys are you know, you had to sit for the 608 00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:26.200 portion of the game against I think it was Sweden, 609 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:28.960 and there are rumors about you guys being banged up 610 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:30.960 in there, and he's like, we're playing just so you know, 611 00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:33.200 like we're we're playing on Thursday. 612 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:33.960 There's no doubt. 613 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:36.039 And it's one of the things roxy not to go 614 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.880 back to the NBA bashing, but I love pro basketball and. 615 00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:40.000 I'm mad at it right now. 616 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.240 I just I love that hockey players will just show 617 00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:46.039 up because and look, this obviously means a lot more 618 00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:48.960 than a exhibition game. So I'm not going back to 619 00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:51.400 Lebron entirely, but it's one of the things that I've 620 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:54.920 always loved about hockey players. They're they're they're real tough guys, 621 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.480 and they care about competing. They care about showing up 622 00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:00.400 and playing because it makes the product better obviously. 623 00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:05.039 And that's the mentality, and that's the hockey mentality. If 624 00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:09.000 you go back that you're gonna play, if you can 625 00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:11.319 blace up your skates, you're gonna go out there and play. 626 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.759 And I know so the NHL teams are obviously a 627 00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.039 little nervous about it when they see, for example, Charlie 628 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:20.559 McAvoy and the injury that he's dealing with right now. 629 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:24.839 Matthew Kuchuk was scratched doing a little lower body injury 630 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:29.480 from yesterday's game. Brady Kulchuck then they for precautionary reasons, 631 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:34.200 pulled him from the game yesterday. So that's the tough 632 00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:37.440 thing for the NHL is they're so invested in this 633 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.480 event and it means a lot, and it's clearly elevated 634 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:45.720 hockey on the national stage here in the United States, 635 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.480 and with the television ratings that they had for the 636 00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.839 game on Saturday night shows that there's interest. And now 637 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:55.680 you move forward and you just hope that you're going 638 00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.519 to get the best product on both sides because of 639 00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:01.599 the injuries. And look, these guys are out there to compete, 640 00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:03.839 they're out there to win. They're not just mailing it in. 641 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:08.720 This isn't just okay, a whole hum event. National pride 642 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.480 means a lot to these players, and it's evident the 643 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:13.759 way they've responded so far in this tournament. 644 00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.559 Before we move off the hockey stuff, and you know, 645 00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:18.680 you've got a game to call tonight, so I want 646 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.519 to do some college basketball with you. In a moment, 647 00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:22.640 I just wanted to kick the tires on where we 648 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.200 find ourselves year one with the Utah Hockey Club. They 649 00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.759 are right now as my computer refreshes, there's six points 650 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.240 behind the Canucks and a full eleven points behind the 651 00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:36.160 Avs for the wild card. What a peg like won't 652 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.640 go away? It's wild what the Jets have done this year. 653 00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:40.640 But your thoughts on I guess I'll just say the 654 00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.160 first half, even though we're more than halfway home of 655 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:46.119 the season for the Utah Hockey Club, and you think 656 00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:48.079 there's a chance they're able to catch the Canucks and 657 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.759 maybe be a wild card playoff team this year, there's 658 00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:52.200 a chance. 659 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.240 Yeah, you have Calgary lodge in there in between, and 660 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:58.160 some of the teams have dropped off, like, for example, Okay, 661 00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:01.319 Saint Louis is a couple points behind Utah. The Seattle 662 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.640 Kraken to me, have been a major disappointment. They firmly 663 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.079 expected to be in the playoff race, but they're well 664 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.480 out of it right now. Is there are eleven points 665 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:13.279 behind the Canucks. Nashville has been another huge disappointment in 666 00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:17.160 the Western Conference. But the opportunity is there and I 667 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:19.400 know the schedule could be favorable here coming up for 668 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:23.680 Utah with some home games, and even though they haven't 669 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:25.839 played great at home, they've actually been a better team 670 00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:28.960 on the road for whatever reason. But there's gonna be 671 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:32.119 opportunities here and they're going to have to hit a 672 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.720 really good run here to open up the second half, 673 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.960 if you will, because Vancouver and Calgary both have a 674 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:44.359 game in hand on Utah, so they're going to have to, 675 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:48.680 I think play at a pretty brisk pace here to 676 00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.079 make a push. Can it be done, Absolutely, it can 677 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:51.440 be done. 678 00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:53.839 And the injuries that Utah has dealt with on the. 679 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:57.279 Blue line, Connor Ingram missed a good chunk of time 680 00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.799 when he was away from the team. The injuries even 681 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:02.519 up front that that they've had to deal with, that's 682 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:06.000 been a concern. But they've tried to piece it together 683 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.400 here and set themselves up to make a run. They're 684 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:11.079 in this thing and they're gonna have an opportunity now. 685 00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:13.880 They're gonna have to help themselves out. There's been certainly 686 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:18.920 drama surrounding Vancouver with the whole JT. Miller situation in 687 00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:22.680 Elias Petterson, but there's gonna be opportunity here when you 688 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.200 look at the schedule, what's looming for Utah and you 689 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:27.240 open up the second half. Okay, it's gonna be tough, 690 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.759 you're at LA, But then you have a run of 691 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:35.119 home games Vancouver, Chicago, the Wild New Jersey. There's some 692 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.799 other clutch games coming up, like, for example, the Leafs 693 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:41.960 still come here. They're gonna be opportunities, but they're gonna 694 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:43.799 have to hit the ground run into the second half 695 00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:46.119 in place of really good hockey coming out of the break. 696 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:49.559 All right, before we end with a thought on BYU 697 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.200 and their basketball program, let's give a little love to 698 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.000 Craig Smith and the Utah you two over the weekend 699 00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.759 was able to get two home wins against the two 700 00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.599 Kansas teams. They beat the number seven team team in 701 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.759 the country, Kansas, who I. 702 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:04.200 Don't know, man, I don't know. 703 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.519 You know, the Jayhawks I believe were preseason top two 704 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.559 or three, maybe even preseason one. And that group does 705 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.679 not look like a connected group to me at all. 706 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:14.159 But a good win for the Utes. 707 00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.239 They were an underdog and then kse State, who had 708 00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:19.119 won six straight prior to their trip to Provo. You know, 709 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:21.719 that was a really good basketball game and the best 710 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.039 thing that I saw, in my opinion, roxy those two games. 711 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:27.079 That I really haven't seen much of from Utah this 712 00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.800 year is their ability to close. You know, they were 713 00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.840 in the game it was seventy two to seventy two 714 00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:35.039 at Cincinnati. Then since he ended on like a thirteen 715 00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.800 to two run. They were close against West Virginia, they 716 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.000 were close against Oklahoma State, even Baylor. 717 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:41.079 They had some moments, but. 718 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.239 The closing stretches have been difficult because they do not 719 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.639 have a ball in hand, lead guard, decision maker that 720 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.320 has the ability to make dynamic things happen like they 721 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.719 did a year ago with Davon Smith. But with five 722 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:54.760 games left, you know, you look at the rest of 723 00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:56.719 the schedule, they're gonna have to pull off some upsets, 724 00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:00.320 but they might be a double digit win team in conference. 725 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:01.920 In the Big Twelve. They're seven and eight with five 726 00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:03.239 games left to play. And I want to get too 727 00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:05.960 far ahead of myself, but I'm really happy for Craig. 728 00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:07.800 Next year is the final year of his deal. So 729 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:09.760 what are your thoughts on this year from the Utah Uts. 730 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.599 This was a big weekend I think for him and 731 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:17.960 the program to get those wins, and it is a 732 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.880 little more difficult for them to get things done offensively 733 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.159 They're a team that has to do it by committee. Yes, 734 00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:26.280 Gate Madison's your volume shooter and your go to guy 735 00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:28.360 would need a big bucket, as he was with huge 736 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.440 shots against both Kansas and Casetate last night. But it's 737 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:36.480 a team that shares the ball that they average eighteen 738 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.639 assists per game, their top ten in the country and 739 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.519 assist and that's the way they have to play. They 740 00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:44.760 have to be connected offensively, and the effort on the 741 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.599 offensive glass the last two games has been phenomenal. It's 742 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:52.039 not just Ezra Sr. That they appeared to me wanted 743 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.639 it more. They were the more aggressive team in these 744 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:58.400 two games. And now you go out and they have 745 00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:00.760 five games left before they go to Kansas City in 746 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.079 the Big Twelve Tournament. Getting to eighteen wins is a 747 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.760 realistic possibility for this team, and you mentioned the double 748 00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.559 digit wins in the league. They have to prove they 749 00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:11.239 can win on the road, and that's what they're gonna 750 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.360 have to do if they're going to try to get 751 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.880 out of the first day, maybe even the first two 752 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:18.880 days of the Big Twelve Tournament, They're going to have 753 00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.639 to go to Central Florida and win a tough home 754 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.199 game against West Virginia, but they got to win at home. 755 00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:26.480 If they can go three and two of these last 756 00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.440 couple of games, I think that goes well for them. 757 00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.119 And I think that for a team that was picked 758 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.159 what sixteenth spence in the preseason poll, and if they 759 00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:38.360 can finish right around middle of the league seven days, 760 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.719 that would be I think a really big accomplishment for 761 00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:42.159 this group. 762 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.920 So Kevin Young has a litany of talent at his disposal. 763 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.679 He's got two potential well one lottery pick with Jegor 764 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.159 Demon and then a lot of people think Kennon Catching's 765 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.559 is the first round player. So there's some you know, 766 00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:56.360 some seven figure players on this roster according to a 767 00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:59.199 lot of reports, and what I've been told and started off, 768 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.320 you know, not great as far as what we were expecting, 769 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:04.360 but they've kind of settled in now. They had a 770 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.400 couple of losses Arizona, that at Cincinnati where they got trounced. 771 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:09.599 They go to Morgantown and get a win over just 772 00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.360 a pain in the ass. West Virginia is the tough 773 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.079 team to play against. Yeah, and then they end that 774 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.320 six game winning streak from k State and it really 775 00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:20.440 wasn't close when this is gonna sound reductive and simplistic, 776 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:22.760 but when Brigham Young is knocking down shots, that's a 777 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.679 tough team. Kevin's got a tough team. So they see 778 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:28.400 Kansas tonight you're on the call, So kind of same question. 779 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.119 Your thoughts with year one under Kevin Young? What do 780 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.639 you expecting tonight? Is the Jayhawks are down in Provo. 781 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.440 And this is an enormous game because the winner of 782 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:41.199 tonight's game between KU and BYU will have the inside 783 00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:45.119 track at the five seed because you'll have the only 784 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.519 matchup between the two teams this year, so you'll have 785 00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:50.840 the tiebreaker, and then can you make a push to 786 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.400 get into the top four, which would be a huge boost. 787 00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:55.880 You get a buy into the quarterfinals if you could 788 00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:59.800 do that. And so for BYU, they've been dominated a 789 00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:03.960 home home. Kansas has been very inconsistent this year, and 790 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:08.360 they've in fact, they've lost three consecutive road games to 791 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.119 unranked teams, which is kind of an hurt up spence 792 00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:14.639 for a bill self team. But this BYU team, I 793 00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:17.599 think they've gotten better as the season has gone on. 794 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.400 And this is an adjustment for Kevin Young. Right, He's 795 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:24.199 an NBA guy and both of the last number of 796 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:28.480 years with the Suns, also with Philadelphia, So he's going 797 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.119 through a learning curve of the college game and learning 798 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:34.280 the tendencies of going up against Bill self or a 799 00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:39.000 Scott Drew in this league. And that's a it's a 800 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:41.360 big adjustment. I think it's a bigger adjustment than people 801 00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:44.039 realize what Kevin Young has had to do this year. 802 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:46.960 And that's why I think they've gotten better and better 803 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:50.800 is this season has gone on and for example, tonight 804 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:54.920 is a big opportunity. They know it and it is 805 00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:58.599 going to be rocking very at Center. This is this 806 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.760 is a game at BYU has been waiting for for 807 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.280 a long time. This is a reason why in a 808 00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.480 number of ways, BYU is so active in wanting to 809 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.719 get to the Big twelve. It's not just the money, 810 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:11.280 and it's not just the more exposure, but to get 811 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:14.719 a blue blood on your home floor. It's the first 812 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.400 time a blue blood program will have been to the 813 00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:19.960 Marriott Center since the late eighties. And that's what BYU 814 00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:20.559 has tonight. 815 00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.679 All right, before I say you lose a college football question, 816 00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:26.599 because for the second time in four months, I guess 817 00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.360 I'll say conference leaders from the SEC and the Big 818 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:33.199 ten are meeting in person to discuss common ground, is 819 00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:36.239 what I'm reading during a critical decision making period in 820 00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:40.039 college athletics. So the meetings are talking about the House 821 00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:42.920 versus nca A and future governance and all that stuff. 822 00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:46.360 But maybe most importantly, simply to the consumer and people 823 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:48.199 like us that love to watch and cover the sport, 824 00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:51.960 is the conversations about the college football playoff and what 825 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.079 the two most powerful conferences. If it's not the two best, 826 00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:57.519 it's the two most powerful power of the perse. We 827 00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.960 know the deal rumors about both these two four auto 828 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.360 bids and you know, the Big twelve and the ACC 829 00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:05.880 getting two and the G five essentially being shut out. 830 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.719 So we are in the middle of this, you know, neoliberal, 831 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:13.239 capitalist takeover of college athletics. I mean, there's no denying that, 832 00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:16.440 but it appears that maybe these two conferences are trying 833 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:19.199 to expedite this process to kind of move things even 834 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:21.639 more in their favor. Does this concern you at all? 835 00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:23.159 How do you think it plays out? Before I set 836 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:23.519 you loose? 837 00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:24.639 Uh? 838 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:25.719 Yeah, concerns me. 839 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:29.719 And because it's just so unstable the landscape of college 840 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:34.960 athletics right now. And that's that's the frustrating and kind 841 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:39.559 of unnerving thing about this whole movement that we're seeing. 842 00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:42.480 And look, the SEC is still ticked off that Alabama 843 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:47.920 didn't get in right. There's no doubt that on selection 844 00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.960 day when they saw Alabama left out, which I do 845 00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:54.639 believe was the right move, even though potentially they were 846 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:57.800 the better team. But I thought that SMU had earned 847 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.360 it and deserved to be in the playoff for what 848 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.000 happened during the course of the season. But that's what 849 00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:06.519 they're trying to do, is they're trying to make an 850 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:12.679 exclusive club. It's US and the Big Ten against everybody else, 851 00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:16.119 and they're trying to gang up on the competition, and 852 00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:18.239 they're not going to be happy, I don't think until 853 00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:21.519 they get control. And look, I think we're headed. This 854 00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:25.519 is just my feeling of speculation, Spence. I think we're 855 00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:30.159 headed to college football breaking away and being its own entity, 856 00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:35.599 that it's going to just be college football governed by 857 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.880 a body, and every other sport, including basketball, will probably 858 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:42.559 go back to a regional model. But I believe that's 859 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:46.000 where we're headed, and it's going to be the haves 860 00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:48.400 and the have nots, and I don't know if it's 861 00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:52.119 going to be a premier league like system from soccer. 862 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.559 But we could be headed in that direction. I don't 863 00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.280 see this model being sustainable. I really don't. 864 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:02.159 Yeah, the danger, you know, in what is being proposed 865 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:06.360 is if you dilute the regular season in college football, 866 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:08.920 you are taking away what makes it special. You have 867 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:13.199 to games have to matter, rocky. You can't just automate like, sorry, Bama, 868 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:14.559 don't lose four times. 869 00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.199 Like that's like you can't. 870 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:20.559 Minimize or dilute the regular season in college football, or 871 00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:23.199 in my opinion, you're taking away what makes it so special. 872 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.840 Championships should matter and that's what the committee valued, and 873 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:32.119 I applaud them for that because SMU was the Big 874 00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:35.400 Twelve champ, but they didn't win in the Big Twelve 875 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:40.960 championship game, so they but I think they deserved it 876 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.119 because of what they accomplished in the season. And that's 877 00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:46.519 what the framework they laid out before the season was 878 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:49.880 that if you're a conference champ, that should be a 879 00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.800 significant thing to add to your resume as far as 880 00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:57.440 what the committee will look at. And that's what they 881 00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:01.559 got rewarded for. And now if you're going to take 882 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:04.119 that away and you're talking about that's what it would 883 00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:06.599 devalue with the regular seasons about then we're just gonna 884 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:08.480 take a look, and it's kind of like the old 885 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:10.880 Siston that we have. Well, I'm looking at just the 886 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:13.800 I test tells me Alabama's better than them. Alabama should 887 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.920 be in. That's not what this should be about. And luckily, 888 00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:19.519 even though we had those blowouts in the first round 889 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.000 this year, I do believe the committee got the right 890 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:23.159 teams in the playoffs. 891 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:24.679 Roxy, you're the man. 892 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:28.079 Enjoy that cougartail tonight in Provo and have a great call. 893 00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:28.519 Okay. 894 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:31.960 Oh, it's never a BYU game if you don't. 895 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:33.639 Have a cougartail right, no doubt, no doubt. 896 00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:35.639 If you finish the whole thing, I'd be wildly impressed. 897 00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:36.440 It's very unhealthy. 898 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:38.920 I won't Okay, I won't, and I won't even even 899 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:41.360 try to. Okay, I'm just a couple bites guy. 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Obviously, 960 00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:27.960 college basketball and the mine we'll get back to some college. 961 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:28.960 Ups are the big one tonight. 962 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.840 But let's do a little jazz mostly just big picture 963 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:36.280 NBA topics with our guy Tim McMahon, fresh off vacation 964 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:38.559 on this Tuesday afternoon, Tim, how's your time off? 965 00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:44.360 Brother? Not long enough, but welcome. Just wish it lasted 966 00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:45.559 a little bit longer. 967 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:45.840 For sure. 968 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:48.840 Did you consume any of the festivities in the Bay 969 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:49.840 Area over the weekend. 970 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.360 I will be honest. I've seen a couple little clips 971 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.679 on social media, but I watched zero seconds of All 972 00:46:57.719 --> 00:46:58.960 Star Weekend Live. 973 00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.519 Good for you, but we do have to do the 974 00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:03.559 media thing where you and I talk about what a 975 00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:05.239 horrible product it is and how we're going. 976 00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:05.760 To fix the thing. 977 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.320 So here, here's where I'm at with it. There's no 978 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:13.039 fixing it. They've tried everything. I like the US versus 979 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.840 international idea, but hey, we've seen it before. I don't 980 00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:19.599 care if it's played in Russia or California or Europe 981 00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.519 or wherever it's. 982 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:23.199 The proof is in. 983 00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:25.960 These guys don't give a rip, and I don't think 984 00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:28.159 there's any way to fix that. So for me, it's 985 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.159 just kind of maybe time for the league to admit 986 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:33.800 that this is the deal. It's a non serious celebration 987 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.679 of the National Basketball Association and that's it. 988 00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:43.199 Okay, Like, what d damn do I mean? Does anybody 989 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.920 think the Pro Bowls like some kind of serious football game. 990 00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:48.079 I mean, I guess, I mean playing more, but like, 991 00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.840 you know, are they throwing brushback pitches in the in 992 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.320 Baseball's All Star Game? Is Pete Rose still running over 993 00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.000 the catcher? Like? I mean, what do we do? It's 994 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.840 an All Star game? You know, of course, the silly exhibition. 995 00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:05.519 I don't know why the NBA keeps on allowing this 996 00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.719 to be some sort of crisis that exists. Oh my gosh, 997 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:11.599 you know, blood's not being spilled on the All Star 998 00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:13.480 Game who cares? 999 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.000 Is there a format that you actually think is good? 1000 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.920 This is what I said earlier, Like, my preferred format 1001 00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:22.960 is the All Star Game with players who play hard 1002 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:23.719 like we used to have. 1003 00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:26.679 That's my preferred all That's my preferred format. 1004 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.440 And look, it ain't like every All Star Game has 1005 00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.920 been some kind of classic. I mean, there were forty 1006 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.719 point blowouts, but Michael Jordan's on the wrong end of 1007 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.079 so let's not you know, I think one we kind 1008 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.119 of need to get over this good old days syndrome 1009 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.639 thing to a certain agree. But yeah, East versus West 1010 00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:47.880 totally fine, USA versus International, Okay, interest in flavor fine, 1011 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.880 don't give me some first of forty tournament. Hold on, 1012 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:55.079 what are the rules again? Why is Kevin Hart still 1013 00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:58.199 yammering like I'm mean, come on, man, like you're doing 1014 00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:00.599 too much trying to fix something that I don't think 1015 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:03.480 it is some kind of like massively serious problem. 1016 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:05.039 Yep, yep. 1017 00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:06.920 And uh, you know that's kind of the deal. That's 1018 00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.039 kind of where we've landed today. And there's some fun 1019 00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:12.320 moments here or there. Is there anything that simply an 1020 00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.960 experience or Kyante George can do for him as far 1021 00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:19.079 as being able to play on Sunday in that format. 1022 00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:20.400 Is there is there anything tangible? 1023 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.119 He was the only local rep you know, is there 1024 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:25.800 anything he can take from simply being part of the experience. 1025 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.519 I am concerned you're gonna pull some sort of muscle 1026 00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:32.840 at that reach. I don't I'm not sure. 1027 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:35.119 You want to talk about Johnny juz Ang's pr tim, 1028 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:38.480 Let's do that. 1029 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.400 I mean, listen, it can't be a negative for Kante 1030 00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:43.440 George like to be me, you know, I don't know 1031 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:45.440 what how did he spend his all Stra weekend with? 1032 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:47.440 You know, did he try to pick the brains of 1033 00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.519 guys who are uh, you know, who have been in 1034 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.119 that game over and over again. Maybe there's some benefit there, 1035 00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:57.119 you know, But more did he go to a bunch 1036 00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:59.519 of parties and have a good time, like the Master 1037 00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:01.440 Jordan people, a good all Star we can did? And 1038 00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:04.079 if that's the case, they're putting wrong with that either. 1039 00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:08.159 So there's not the second half of the season entirely. 1040 00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:11.039 Most teams have, you know, have about thirty games left 1041 00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:13.119 a little bit less than that. But with the calendar, 1042 00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.239 it's kind of halfway home for teams that are playing 1043 00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:18.679 for the postseason. And of course the big story just 1044 00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:22.199 continues to be the Dallas deal with the Lakers and 1045 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:24.119 how the Lakers are gonna look. It's kind of interesting 1046 00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.480 because the Jazz have actually been the team that the 1047 00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.079 Lakers have played twice since the deal went down, and 1048 00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:32.280 you know, they got got pretty good in La. Then 1049 00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:34.880 they came here and the Jazz absolutely smoked them. But 1050 00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:36.719 of course that's gonna take some time to kind of 1051 00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.400 gel down the stretch. What how do you think the 1052 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:42.679 Luca Lebron thing is going to kind of manifest itself 1053 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:44.679 now that they've been together for a minute, They've had 1054 00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:47.280 some time to digest and what are you looking for 1055 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:48.760 kind of right out of the gates when they get 1056 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:50.920 back going the Lakers start playing again. 1057 00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:55.079 Well, I think the biggest question about that is, like, 1058 00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:58.760 is Luca going to be full speed? Does he still 1059 00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:01.360 need time to be ramped up after you know, a 1060 00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:03.639 month and a half or so off with that cast string. 1061 00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:09.280 I mean, the two games against the Jazz were mega height, 1062 00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:12.719 preseason type of games for Luca. You know, like he's 1063 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:16.079 on a twenty four minute limit and you know, obviously 1064 00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:20.000 he's trying to get his rhythm and so you know, 1065 00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.760 I don't know when we will see like full blast 1066 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.840 Lika Luca. I do have a feeling that will at 1067 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:27.960 least get a glimpse of it February twenty fifth, when 1068 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.920 the Master in la I think he'll be ready to 1069 00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:35.920 amp up for that one. But like the fit between 1070 00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:38.280 those guys, I mean, we're talking about two guys who 1071 00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:41.480 are basketball geniuses. They'll figure that out. I think it's 1072 00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:45.400 a flawed roster and my obviously the biggest flaw is 1073 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.679 they don't have a legitimate big man on the roster. 1074 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:49.840 They try to address that with the Mark Williams thing, 1075 00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:53.039 then they got to look at the physical and said, hey, 1076 00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:56.199 we can't do this, and so you know, that's that's 1077 00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:57.880 an issue that they're going to have to fix over 1078 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:01.920 the summer. But you know, so they're kind of they're 1079 00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:06.880 not operating at full capacity because if you're going to 1080 00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:09.519 have Luca, you need to have that rim running dig 1081 00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:13.079 and you know, Jackson Hayes is a very poor man's 1082 00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:17.079 version of that. But I don't think you can consider 1083 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:20.039 the Lakers any sort of real contender until they've got 1084 00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:21.760 a complete roster, and they're not going to be a 1085 00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:22.599 contender this year. 1086 00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.480 You were one of the first guests that we had 1087 00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:27.599 to kind of point out, like, hey, just keep an 1088 00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:29.639 eye on Houston. You know, I don't know what it means, 1089 00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:31.800 but just keep an eye on what they've been doing. 1090 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:34.599 And you know, Van Vlietz missed some time, and you 1091 00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.639 can tell that they really miss him in crunch situations 1092 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.039 when they're trying to close out games. But they have 1093 00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:43.239 kind of come back down to earth, losing seven of 1094 00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.440 their last ten. And I do have concerns simply about 1095 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:49.800 their lack of experience. They've never been to the postseason before. 1096 00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:51.719 They don't have a ton of great three point shooting. 1097 00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:54.199 So what do you make of kind of maybe a 1098 00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:56.719 regression of the mean after a really great start to 1099 00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:58.800 the season for the Houston Rockets. What's kind of their 1100 00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:00.719 their max ceiling come playoff time? 1101 00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:03.920 Well, I think you point out Van's lead is a 1102 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.719 smart observation, and I don't think I said that very 1103 00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:07.480 often about. 1104 00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:11.599 You, you know, sun shine on dogs, but every once 1105 00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:13.079 in a while with that situation here. 1106 00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.360 But look, he's like, there's a reason they took such 1107 00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:18.840 a leak when they brought in him and Dylan Brooks, 1108 00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:22.280 but especially Van Vleet. He's the captain, He's the organizer, 1109 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.559 you know, he's he's the conductor, and his impact goes 1110 00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:28.119 away beyid like they look at his shooting, steady shot 1111 00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.960 the ball. Well, he's the one who keeps everybody kind 1112 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.079 of you know, rolling in the same direction, and they 1113 00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.280 definitely need him to have any kind of a chance 1114 00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:43.079 to do playoff damage. But look, the Rockets have punched 1115 00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:46.039 above their weight. I think this year they're tough as hell. 1116 00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:48.679 They're paying the button playing on a night the basis, 1117 00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:51.400 they play hard, they play defense, they rebound, they do 1118 00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:54.119 all those things. They don't have a good offensive team. 1119 00:53:54.960 --> 00:54:00.000 They need an offensive engine, and not just an organized 1120 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:03.440 is like Van Vliet, but a legitimate, big time number 1121 00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:07.280 one option Offensely, they need a Devin Booker, who they'd 1122 00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:09.480 love to get. Booker doesn't want to leave Phoenix. The 1123 00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:12.079 Sons don't want to give him up. We'll see if 1124 00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.039 that changes at some point. I think it would make 1125 00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:17.639 a lot of sense for everybody involved, given that the 1126 00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:20.400 Rockets are sitting there holding a whole bunch of a 1127 00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:25.280 future Phoenix drafts capital. You know, Darren Fox decided he 1128 00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:27.760 wanted to go to San Antonio. The Rockets weren't quite 1129 00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.599 ready yet, and then and they you know, they also 1130 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:34.719 want to you know, they want to evaluate hek Jalen Green. 1131 00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:37.440 Let's let's see, there's gonna be some ups and downs 1132 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:41.559 this season. Where's their hope going to be after the playoffs? 1133 00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:45.400 On Jason Green's ability to grow into that role Am 1134 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:47.960 and Thompson. I think he's going to be a star. 1135 00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:49.559 I think he's on his way to being a star. 1136 00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:51.679 I don't think he's going to be a number one 1137 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:53.800 offensive option. You know, he can be a star, not 1138 00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:57.800 a number one offensive option. Honestly, they haven't given up 1139 00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.119 hope on Leed Shepherd being that guy, even though he's 1140 00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:04.400 been out of the rotation for most of the season. 1141 00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:07.920 But at this point, I think the Rockets are going 1142 00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.320 to be a tough playoff matchup. But I don't think 1143 00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:13.840 they're a real Western Conference contender yet. I think they're 1144 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:16.119 on the path to be in there. The question is 1145 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:17.559 that they're gonna have to take a big swing in 1146 00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:21.079 the trademarket to get there, or can that you know, 1147 00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.639 that legitimate go to guy be home grown. 1148 00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:27.400 Here's how I'll phrase this question, what sort of team? 1149 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:29.599 Because I've listened to a bunch over the weekend of 1150 00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:33.599 of you know, some mental gymnastics to try to make 1151 00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:36.119 the West as interesting as possible from a lot of 1152 00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:37.960 people who cover the league. But then they land the 1153 00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:40.280 plane like, okay, see is impossible. So it's kind of 1154 00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:43.920 an exercising futility. I still think if Jamal's gonna Jamal 1155 00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:46.159 Murray's gonna play like this, You've got to talk about 1156 00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:48.079 the Nuggets because Jokich is Jokics. 1157 00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:49.239 We talked about that last week. 1158 00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:54.000 What type of team we'll give Oka see the biggest 1159 00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:57.280 issues come playoff time, like what is their achilles heel 1160 00:55:57.400 --> 00:55:58.239 if they have one? 1161 00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.199 Well, and you know, they did a great job of 1162 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:04.840 addressing their achilles heels over the off season. One was 1163 00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.880 they could get bullied, they could get pushed around. They 1164 00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:09.920 went out and paid Isaiah Hartstein a whole lot of 1165 00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:14.079 money in free agencies to have the option of playing big. 1166 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.400 Now chet Holman has just gotten back. Him and Heart's 1167 00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:18.920 not have played I don't know what is it, three 1168 00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:22.280 or four games together something like that. But you know, 1169 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:25.559 now when they play Joker with that big front line 1170 00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:28.800 that the Nuggets have, they can go seven foot seven 1171 00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:31.679 foot and then you know the other guys. So that 1172 00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:34.280 that was one big thing. The other big thing was 1173 00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:36.519 just a fit of Josh Gidty. It was a bad fit. 1174 00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:40.440 They flipped him into Alex Caruso or just another you know, 1175 00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:44.000 great role player, great defender. So I don't know they 1176 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:46.719 have an achilles heel. If you look at the numbers, 1177 00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:49.000 you'll still say it's rebounded. But you have to recognize 1178 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:51.960 that they've only had one or the other of their 1179 00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:54.960 seven footers for almost the entire season until very you know, 1180 00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:59.960 basically until the trade deadline. Hadn't said all that, like, 1181 00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:03.960 what kind of team can beat Oklahoma City? I think 1182 00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:11.519 a very big, extremely skilled, recent championship team that employees 1183 00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.519 I think, very strongly arguably the best player in the 1184 00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:18.519 world would be that the team that would have the 1185 00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:21.400 best chance. And oh, by the way, the Denver Nuggets 1186 00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:23.239 have won eight straight games coming out of the All 1187 00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:23.840 Star Break. 1188 00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:26.239 Yeah, and I think that's the answer. 1189 00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:28.159 I mean, if I take Okay, so you off the table, 1190 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:31.199 I still I mean, from what I've seen, I've been 1191 00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:34.159 so incredibly impressed with the Thunder that I probably would 1192 00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:36.519 pick them in seven games right now over the Nuggets. 1193 00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.880 But at this point, I think Denver's probably the only 1194 00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:42.800 other team that I would put in the same category. 1195 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:44.920 But let me ask you about the Timberwolves, because they've 1196 00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.639 been better as of late, and obviously around here everybody 1197 00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.199 keeps their eye on the Timberwolves. At one point, it's like, wait, 1198 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:54.440 are the Jas getting luck into a lottery pick? I 1199 00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.320 never thought the t Wolves were a lottery team. And 1200 00:57:57.440 --> 00:57:59.280 you know, this is a team that's not too far 1201 00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:01.840 removed from squad that was probably in the mix to 1202 00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:04.039 win it all. They made the cat deal for Randall, 1203 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:06.679 which I just as somebody who watches the next all 1204 00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:09.480 the time, I understand the financial implications of it, But 1205 00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:12.360 are you buying kind of the improved play from Minnesota 1206 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.639 over the past five or six weeks? 1207 00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:20.400 Improved play? Sure, you know Randall has been out, which 1208 00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:24.559 is right, you know, interesting, kind draw your own conclusions there. 1209 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:28.639 I just I can't see the Wolves being a real 1210 00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:32.519 bona fide contender, and I think that does go back 1211 00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:36.159 to the trade where they moved Carl Anthony Towns. You know, 1212 00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:39.079 they had a Western Conference finals team and they took 1213 00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:42.760 away the second best player on that team, and not 1214 00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.960 just sevend best player. But like the Wolves, one of 1215 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:49.119 their huge advantages last year is that they were huge. 1216 00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.320 I mean, you know, they had gobaar in Towns in 1217 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.840 their front line, and then you know, if Gobert wasn't 1218 00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:57.719 on the floor, it was Towns and Reed. If Kat 1219 00:58:57.880 --> 00:58:59.679 was on the floor, it was Towns in Gobear. They 1220 00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:03.559 were honestly just this massive team. And if you look 1221 00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:07.239 at the way that they played Joker in that series, 1222 00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:10.320 where look, Joker had some huge games, but they played 1223 00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:12.079 him well enough and they're able to win the series 1224 00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:16.199 in seven. Kat was the primary defender on Joker. Now, 1225 00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:19.599 did Cat shut Joker down one on one? Obviously not, 1226 00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:23.199 it's an entire team concept, but that allowed them to 1227 00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:26.920 play Rudy on Aaron Gordon and really just kind of 1228 00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:31.559 be that that rover and you know, it's they don't 1229 00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:35.960 really have that option anymore, and that to me is 1230 00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:40.119 just a massive, massive difference if they get matched up 1231 00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:46.199 with the Nuggets. So you know, I and I also 1232 00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:48.840 I just don't think that the Wolves are going to 1233 00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:52.079 be good enough late in close games, you know, in 1234 00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:56.519 those clut situations to make a deep playoff run. They're 1235 00:59:56.519 --> 01:00:00.000 not the same dominant defensive team that they were last year. 1236 01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:04.679 You know, they kind of show that in ebbs and flows, 1237 01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:09.239 but yeah, I just I think that the ceiling for 1238 01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:11.360 the Wolves is probably the second round. 1239 01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:14.559 Who'd you have in the Timmy Bontem's good time, Timmy 1240 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:15.559 Bontem stropol? 1241 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:17.440 Who do you think the MVP is this year? And why. 1242 01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:20.559 We'll put it this way. A lot of Nuggets fans 1243 01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:24.039 are mad ato right now, and I think a lot 1244 01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:26.599 of Serbians are cussing at me. I've already I've been 1245 01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:30.400 getting cussed at the Slovenian recently for doing things like 1246 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.920 reporting the reasoning that the Mavericks made the most shocked 1247 01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:37.199 in trading NBA history, And now Serbians are out of me. 1248 01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:41.679 And listen, there's not a single thing I could or 1249 01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:45.480 would say to tell you why Joker is not deserving 1250 01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:48.920 of winning his four straight MVP. Like the guy's case 1251 01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.960 is incredible. I just think if it's even you go 1252 01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:57.519 with a guy who hasn't won an MVP yet, whose 1253 01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:01.079 team is by far the number one seeming conference, who 1254 01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:04.119 is the lead in the league in scoring not just average, 1255 01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:07.840 but in points per game or in total points by 1256 01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:11.800 over two hundred points, and in plus minus by over 1257 01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:16.639 two hundred points, the most important stats in basketball plus minus, 1258 01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:19.119 because that's the score and points, because that's how you 1259 01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:22.599 score Jacobs. Alexander has a two hundred and something point 1260 01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:24.880 cushion over everybody else in the league in both of 1261 01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:29.599 those categories on crazy efficiency while being a significant tributor 1262 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:32.599 on the number one defense in the league, filling the 1263 01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:35.679 stat sheet up across the board. Four team that's very 1264 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.239 likely in the season with the best record. That's the 1265 01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:40.079 hell of a case for him to win his first MVP. 1266 01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:41.320 And that's the guy that I went with. 1267 01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:44.639 Dam It's one thing to have snot knows losers who 1268 01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:46.559 use the Internet to feel brave coming at you. I 1269 01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:48.639 don't think you want to get sideways with serbians, bro, 1270 01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:50.039 That's just little piece of advice. 1271 01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:56.480 Listen, man, I've been over to the Balkans, beautiful land 1272 01:01:56.519 --> 01:01:59.440 over there. I might not be a return of the anytime soon. 1273 01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:04.320 Okay, all right, fair enough, fair enough. Hey, let's before 1274 01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:06.199 I say you loose. Let's move over now to the 1275 01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:09.960 latest with the MAVs and what this entire citizens. You're 1276 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:11.719 the guy that's been on this and we've used your 1277 01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:15.079 reporting on the show to color the context of the conversations. 1278 01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:16.000 Just because it's been. 1279 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:19.159 A week, I mean, it seems like they've got a 1280 01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:21.559 ton of injury issues, So the jury's going to be 1281 01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:23.679 out as far as whether or not they'll be able 1282 01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:25.679 to do anything special this year, because they still have 1283 01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:28.679 a lot of talent. We've been reminded what Kyrie looks 1284 01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:32.000 like when he's when he's engaged in playing basketball. So 1285 01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:34.199 just the latest with the Dallas Mavericks, and now you 1286 01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.239 think the rest of the season plays out after making 1287 01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:39.760 one of the wildest deals in the history of pro sports. 1288 01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:42.559 Yeah, well he's here, and say, if they get healthy, 1289 01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:44.639 the simple fact is they're not going to be healthy, 1290 01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:47.599 probably not for the rest of the regular season. Daniel 1291 01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:52.400 Gafford has a Grade three sprain of his MCL, probably 1292 01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.079 at the rest of the regular season. There's no certainly 1293 01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:58.239 that Derek Olively, the second who has a stress faction 1294 01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:00.960 his right ankle, is available for the rest of the 1295 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:05.920 regular season. We're looking at still weeks before Anthony Davis 1296 01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:09.159 is able to return, and there's not like a firm 1297 01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:13.440 certain timetable in place there, so there's no if they 1298 01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:15.440 can get healthy, they're not going to be healthy. The 1299 01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:18.199 vision that they have to this team of this huge, massive, 1300 01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:23.199 ridiculously athletic front court is not happening this season. And 1301 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:26.679 here's one of the things about that trade is what 1302 01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:30.000 you did was instead of having this twenty five year 1303 01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:33.239 old generational talent that you have, I don't know, they 1304 01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:35.079 felt like the runway wasn't going to be that long. 1305 01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:37.840 You have potentially a ten or twelve year runway left 1306 01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:40.519 for Mukado, and you crunch that down in the three 1307 01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:42.840 or four years. So you can call it bad like, 1308 01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:45.039 you can call it whatever you want. But if it 1309 01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:48.639 looks like injuries are really going to mar this season 1310 01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:52.000 for the Mavericks, that's twenty five to thirty three percent 1311 01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:55.639 of the timeframe that you decided to create. And you 1312 01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:59.159 know that's that's part of the risk of trading twenty 1313 01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:02.119 five for thirty one, and of trading the guy that 1314 01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:03.840 you're afraid is going to break down for a guy 1315 01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:06.360 who's got significant history of durability issues. 1316 01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:09.719 Yeah, well said, I can't wait for Kyanta to come 1317 01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:12.760 back and average thirty five down the stretch and completely 1318 01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:15.679 give it all the credit to his experience in the 1319 01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:18.280 Rising Stars situation over the weekend, and then you and 1320 01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:21.039 I will have the conversation about exactly what that meant 1321 01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:23.639 for young Kyante. George that's my prediction for the rest 1322 01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:24.440 of the year for Jazz. 1323 01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:28.000 Kyanti is not going to average thirty five minutes, much 1324 01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:31.800 less thirty five points. So I would say that my 1325 01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:35.480 advice to Kiante George would be you better start playing 1326 01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:39.079 as hard as it can defensively and locking into details 1327 01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:41.119 if you ever want to take your starting job back 1328 01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:45.400 from Isaiah Callier, who you know right now, Will Hardy 1329 01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:47.760 is very happy with one of those guys and it's 1330 01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:49.000 not Kiante George. 1331 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:51.800 I will stretch one more time to simply ask you this, 1332 01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:55.360 what's the most interesting story about the Jazz over the 1333 01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:56.920 final twenty eight games of the year. 1334 01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:02.760 I mean, I think like there's the obvious answer, and 1335 01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:05.199 it's the one that's not any fun to follow until 1336 01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:10.239 the Night of the Water, you know, Like listen, there's 1337 01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:13.079 just like Cooper Flag has a chance to be a 1338 01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:17.000 generational type of talent. This whole season is about maximizing 1339 01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:19.119 your chance to get that guy. And if it's not him, 1340 01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:22.039 there's some other really good players at the top of 1341 01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:27.280 this draft. As far as I actually watching this team, 1342 01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:29.159 which I was, I was a little bit surprised I 1343 01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:31.079 didn't move any of the veterans you know, I think 1344 01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:33.800 when we talked for the deadline, you and I set 1345 01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:36.760 the over under one point five and it ended up 1346 01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:41.559 being zero, So that surprised me. But it's still about like, hey, 1347 01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:46.119 Isaiah Collier, you're getting this extended audition as a starting 1348 01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:48.000 point guard. You know, what can you do with it? 1349 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:52.639 Deontay George you had your audition. You know you basically 1350 01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:55.000 you got demoted. How are you going to respond to that? 1351 01:05:55.639 --> 01:06:00.920 You know, Cody Williams, you know, it's been a fairly 1352 01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:04.239 rough rookie season, but everyone understood you were raw. You 1353 01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:07.159 know that you're nowhere near you finished product. What kind 1354 01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:10.559 of progress can you make down the stretch? And you know, 1355 01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:13.599 kind of on down the list of the guys, especially 1356 01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:15.280 in these I was going to say the young guys, 1357 01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.880 but especially in these last two draft classes, I think 1358 01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:21.440 you have an idea at this point kind of who 1359 01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:25.320 Walker Kestler is, what he can be. You know, it 1360 01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:28.480 hasn't been like just linear progress for him, but we've 1361 01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:31.360 seen enough to know, Okay, hey, that dude's going to 1362 01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:33.400 be a very good starting center for a while in 1363 01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:37.239 the NBA. What about these other guys who can show 1364 01:06:37.719 --> 01:06:41.159 who can kind of prove or at least make a 1365 01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:45.639 strong case and have a kind of an encouraging feeling 1366 01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.119 about going into the off season that they can be 1367 01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:51.239 a key part of this thing once the Jazz are 1368 01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:53.719 able to get it going. Because you know, right now 1369 01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:57.440 the list is Walker Kestler, and then you know kind 1370 01:06:57.480 --> 01:06:58.599 of a whole bunch of will sees. 1371 01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:01.239 That was bravo. 1372 01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:03.280 In fact, I should stand out of my chair and 1373 01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:05.840 start clapping because you made the final twenty eight games 1374 01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:08.199 this season interesting, Tim, and we didn't even have to stretch. 1375 01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:09.159 So well done, my friend. 1376 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:14.480 He's fine. I'll listen. Rebuilding's not fun, but in a 1377 01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:18.440 lot of senses it ain't complicated. Accumulated assets, hopeful lottery 1378 01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:20.280 luck and hope some of the young guys to develop. 1379 01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:23.239 Well said, all right, welcome back from VAK. I appreciate 1380 01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:24.559 the time and we'll get you back on soon. 1381 01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:26.440 Text him, all right, appreciate your brother. 1382 01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:30.079 Tim McMahon covers the It covers the NBA. I should 1383 01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:32.280 say for ESPN when the Jazz are interesting. He's at 1384 01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:34.159 her quite a bit and covers the jazz. He's kind 1385 01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:37.119 of their jazz guy on the National Beats. Joins the 1386 01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:39.280 Shawn a weekly basis and has for five and a 1387 01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:42.719 half years now at ESPN. Underscore McMahon is where you 1388 01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:44.639 find him. That's brought to you today by my good 1389 01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:47.239 friends at Prize Picks, which is the best place to 1390 01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:50.679 get real money sports action. 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The latest with the meetings going on 1415 01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:53.479 in New Orleans with the Power Brokers and the Big 1416 01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:56.920 Ten in the SEC, and it's just those two conferences 1417 01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:00.520 talking about adjustments to the CFP format, as many as 1418 01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:02.800 four auto bids for those two leagues, then two for 1419 01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:05.119 the Big Twelve and two for the ACC leaving the 1420 01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:08.319 group of five schools to just a single bid. And 1421 01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:11.399 then the latest with the private equity groups interested in 1422 01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:15.239 putting some cash and some investments into collegiate athletics, namely 1423 01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:18.239 buying football programs. Matt wrote a really interesting piece last 1424 01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:20.000 week on a topic that we've covered on this show 1425 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:22.520 quite a bit. Dave Fox will stop by later on. 1426 01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:25.600 He has two Pelotons and two Emmys. I'll be on 1427 01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:30.079 TV with Dave tonight. I'll say, accidentally, I was accidentally 1428 01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:33.239 listening to counting Crows over the weekend. I think it's 1429 01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:36.439 just the algorithm sees what I usually listen to. 1430 01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:40.039 Accidentally. Well, no, look, I like counting Crows. I'm not 1431 01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:40.680 saying I don't. 1432 01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:44.399 I've seen Counting Crows in concert four times Jones Beach 1433 01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:45.920 shout Out Northeast. 1434 01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:48.119 But it's almost like Dave. 1435 01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:49.840 I don't listen to Dave as much as I used to, 1436 01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:51.560 but the algorithm is like, hey, you listened to this 1437 01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:53.600 quite a bit once upon a time, so boom, whenever 1438 01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:56.840 I put on like a random Spotify playlist, I'm fed 1439 01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:58.840 a little more Counting Crows than I would. 1440 01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:01.960 Like his I'm saying, don't take this the wrong way. 1441 01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:04.800 Okay, what you know, don't start out like that now 1442 01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:05.800 now I'm on guard. 1443 01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:07.640 Now you are on guard. You're gonna say this, I 1444 01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:08.479 should know you better. 1445 01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:11.199 Well, that's like saying, with all due respect, yeah, you 1446 01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:12.159 know you're not wrong. 1447 01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:14.000 I'll try not to take this the wrong way, but 1448 01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:14.439 go ahead. 1449 01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:17.159 How how well do you think some of your like 1450 01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:20.520 favorite nineties I'll even throw eighties music in the early 1451 01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:23.159 two thousands, how well do you think it ages even 1452 01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:24.000 for your taste? 1453 01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:25.720 If we can narrow it down. 1454 01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:30.359 There, really fair question, and the answer is a combination 1455 01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:32.399 of sorts. 1456 01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:34.920 What did I pull up the other day? 1457 01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:38.119 Oh, Interstate Love song, this Stone Temple Pilot song Okay, 1458 01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:39.720 randomly popped up on a mix. 1459 01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:40.800 I'm like, oh, I love this song. 1460 01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:43.000 I haven't heard it for a while, so I put 1461 01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.319 on You know how in Spotify you can you're listening 1462 01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:47.560 to a song, you can go to radio station then 1463 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:50.479 it'll pip play and it played a grip of like 1464 01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:54.239 nineties one hit wonders now stp not one hit wonders. 1465 01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:55.319 But there were some. 1466 01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:59.640 Really really bad songs that popped up that honestly two 1467 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:04.680 call pop pukashell dyed blonde hair Spence jammed out too 1468 01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:07.479 back in the mid to late nineties. So some of 1469 01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:10.159 it has not aged well, I will admit that, but 1470 01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:12.119 I think a lot of it has. But I'm you know, 1471 01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:15.159 hip hop, nineties hip hop the best period, end of story. 1472 01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.039 And a lot of the alternate you know, the alt 1473 01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:21.239 rock bands like r Em I think Dave was back 1474 01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:23.119 in the day, they've they've aged pretty well. 1475 01:11:23.159 --> 01:11:25.000 Some of it not so much though, So I understand 1476 01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:25.520 where you're going. 1477 01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:30.039 Just a question, because yeah, like like you mine's a 1478 01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:34.479 little later, right, like some of the early two thousands. 1479 01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:36.479 I want to call it like alt or grunt rock 1480 01:11:37.079 --> 01:11:39.359 that I listened to. I hear it now and I'm like, 1481 01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:44.560 oh oh, just like a cringing and I know that 1482 01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:47.800 twelve thirteen year old me was just rocking out to 1483 01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:49.760 that at one point. 1484 01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:51.439 You know what, I'm going to take some flak if 1485 01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:54.600 any of my friends are listening to this. Alison Chains 1486 01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:56.800 has an aged very well and I went through like 1487 01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:58.840 a big like were they good? 1488 01:11:59.079 --> 01:11:59.319 Yes? 1489 01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:01.960 Oh yes, and they do have some The lead singer 1490 01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:03.279 died of a heroin overdose. 1491 01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:07.279 I believe, uh luke something rest in peace. 1492 01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:10.279 They had a moment where I was like all in 1493 01:12:10.359 --> 01:12:13.840 on Alison Chains, and uh, you know, I think it's 1494 01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:14.760 all stay away. 1495 01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:17.760 Alison Chains is a good is a good song, but 1496 01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:18.560 I kind. 1497 01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:21.239 Of did a little bit of a deep dive and 1498 01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:23.680 not great, not great, not gonna lie. 1499 01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:26.840 So your question is a fair one. Here here's a 1500 01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:27.560 question for you. 1501 01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:30.680 I stay away alis In Chains in fact play that 1502 01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:31.359 coming up next. 1503 01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:34.840 It's very good. I was thinking about this over the leak. 1504 01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:36.680 They have a good album, though, like, does als and 1505 01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:38.880 Chains actually have a good album? Is Dirt probably their 1506 01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:39.960 biggest album I was. 1507 01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:40.600 I think so. 1508 01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:44.840 I think it probably is Dirt No Alison Chains, Yeah, 1509 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:48.159 Dirt was there. Jarra Flies nineteen ninety four good album, Okay, 1510 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:49.000 but I was sixteen. 1511 01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:51.760 Go listen to that whole album. That's what I want 1512 01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:52.039 you to do. 1513 01:12:52.279 --> 01:12:55.359 Yeah, I think you might be correct, because, yeah, you 1514 01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:58.199 know what, Jarra Flies was their best album. Give me 1515 01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:00.119 a give me an example of an artist who you 1516 01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:02.000 should like on paper but you just don't. 1517 01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:06.239 Does that make sense? I'll give you one for me. 1518 01:13:07.279 --> 01:13:09.520 Oh Aar, who's that? 1519 01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:13.880 It's this corny note. You know, they're from Maryland, They're 1520 01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:19.279 from the DMV area, and they're it's like if Dave 1521 01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:23.399 Matthews band could be even cornier. Oar was like trying 1522 01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:26.520 to capitalize on the pop you know, the popular uh 1523 01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:29.720 you know, the explosion of the Dave Matthews band. Oar 1524 01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:32.960 was trying to kind of be like the next Dave 1525 01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:35.880 type band on paper. I should very much like them, 1526 01:13:35.880 --> 01:13:38.199 and I very much do not, and I've tried hard. 1527 01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:41.319 They're too corny, man, They're just too corny. Give me 1528 01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:45.039 an example, not Toby Keith, rest in peace, of an 1529 01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:47.079 artist that you should like on paper that you just don't. 1530 01:13:47.079 --> 01:13:49.399 Well, I wasn't say you always think I like Zach Bryan. 1531 01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:53.159 Oh yeah, I mean cause I equate him to actual 1532 01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:53.880 country music. 1533 01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:57.760 I think it's because he's you know, he's slower acoustic usually, 1534 01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:02.279 and listen, I think he's fairly talent. I just I 1535 01:14:02.319 --> 01:14:06.600 am in more of My musical inclination is always lyrical. 1536 01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:10.680 And when I listened to him, I don't know, it 1537 01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:12.359 just doesn't resonate or I don't believe him, one of 1538 01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:15.039 the two. And that's that's kind of where it comes with. 1539 01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:17.479 Lack of authenticity. Yeah, all right, well I got you. 1540 01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:19.680 Which is fine. Like, listen, a majority of these people 1541 01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:24.039 are playing a character, but maybe with him, it's just 1542 01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:24.800 not resonating. 1543 01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:27.359 Did you watch any of the SNL fifty stuff over 1544 01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:27.840 the weekend. 1545 01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:30.800 I saw some clips, which is how I intake SNL. 1546 01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:34.520 Now that's how your generation takes in everything, just the clips. 1547 01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:37.039 Probably the NBA you can talk about one. 1548 01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:39.520 Hundred percent, And we talked about this earlier. Do you remember, 1549 01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:42.399 Actually I have not talked to you about this because 1550 01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:46.439 you're a resident lebron apologist. Probably your boy shows up 1551 01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:48.960 and he's like, no thanks, right, which is such a 1552 01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:52.800 bad look. But do you remember that story about because 1553 01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:55.279 this really if you missed it from earlier, I talked 1554 01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:58.600 about this during Crosstalk with Sean. If you want the 1555 01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:02.279 problem with the end reduced down to one anecdote, this 1556 01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:05.199 is probably it. I think it was Lebron's third or 1557 01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:07.640 fourth year in the league. You know, he clearly had 1558 01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:10.399 already burst on the scene and he became Lebron and 1559 01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:12.680 he was carrying this horrible Cavs team to the finals, 1560 01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:15.359 and everybody's like, all right, he's awesome, we get it. 1561 01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:18.119 And he held a camp I think it was for 1562 01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:21.840 high school players at the time, and Jordan Crawford, who 1563 01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:25.560 ended up playing in the NBA, dunked on Lebron, and 1564 01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:29.159 as the story goes, Lebron shut everything down. He stopped 1565 01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:31.359 the game, and he walked around the gym to anybody 1566 01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:33.600 who had a phone and he said, kill that video. 1567 01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:36.880 I do not want that online. That Lebron James is 1568 01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:40.000 that it established NBA superstar got dunked on by a 1569 01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:43.720 high school kid. And honestly, I mean, look, if you 1570 01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:45.840 want to be super reductive, we can reduce it to 1571 01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:48.560 guaranteed money as far as lack of effort, but I 1572 01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:53.800 do think there's this fear of having a highlights go 1573 01:15:54.279 --> 01:15:57.439 viral on social media and then it lives forever on 1574 01:15:57.520 --> 01:15:59.720 the internet. So if you want to look up Lebron 1575 01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:02.880 get dunked on by high schooler, you can look that up. 1576 01:16:03.479 --> 01:16:06.520 But that's such a soft mentality and it's such a 1577 01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:08.840 far cry from the competitors that used to play in 1578 01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:12.520 this league. And I do think there is something there 1579 01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:16.840 as far as the social media, you know, indoctrination of 1580 01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:20.960 our society where the generation that you're in in the 1581 01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:24.720 younger generation, my son's generation. Honestly, my son and my 1582 01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:27.239 son and his friends were the first kind of group 1583 01:16:27.279 --> 01:16:30.199 of people that I talked to about the NBA where 1584 01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:32.119 they're like, no, we're we're a step fan, or we're 1585 01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:34.359 a Lebron fan, or we're a Donovan fan. We're not 1586 01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:37.239 a Jazz fan, we're not a Knicks fan. Where individual 1587 01:16:37.279 --> 01:16:39.680 players house of highlights. It feels like that's how the 1588 01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:43.800 younger generation consumes NBA basketball, and the players know that, 1589 01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:45.199 so they don't want to be on the wrong end 1590 01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:45.840 of these highlights. 1591 01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:49.760 And there's something probably too that where there's more of 1592 01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:55.560 a maybe not more, but a different thought process behind 1593 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:58.920 when you're performing and I'm not just talking about the 1594 01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:03.880 eighty two games. I'm talking about in the media, at events, 1595 01:17:04.359 --> 01:17:09.239 at All Star events, you know, doing different pickup get 1596 01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:11.000 whatever it may be, the Dru League, like all of 1597 01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:11.640 these things. 1598 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:12.680 You may. 1599 01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:18.399 Have a different calculus nowadays than you did before. Where 1600 01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:20.600 like you said, the All Star Game was just the 1601 01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:22.520 best pickup game in the world. It didn't have to 1602 01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:27.479 be like a manufactured thing where we're trying to you know, 1603 01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:31.439 we're trying to bring meaning to it. And I think 1604 01:17:31.439 --> 01:17:33.560 some of it's unfair to put that all on Lebron. 1605 01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:38.039 I think the fact that we're we're looking to Lebron 1606 01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:39.520 to save the All Star Game is a problem with 1607 01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:43.760 the All Star Game, not Lebron. That being said, like you, 1608 01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:45.760 this weekend, I would have liked to see him out 1609 01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:51.520 on the floor, you know, I have. And I don't 1610 01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:54.159 know that he showed up this weekend with the intention 1611 01:17:54.279 --> 01:17:56.159 to not play at all and then and then like 1612 01:17:56.199 --> 01:17:58.279 pulled the rug out. I don't know what the behind 1613 01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:01.479 the scenes stuff are there, but there is is clearly 1614 01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:07.960 a different motivation for players when it comes to I'm 1615 01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:09.520 not even just talking about the All Star Game. I'm 1616 01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:13.239 talking about fifty plus games during the regular season, where 1617 01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:17.720 there may be a different motivation to be out there. 1618 01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:20.880 And you know, I think that is a problem that 1619 01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:23.600 the league has to figure out, and I've talked about 1620 01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:27.119 it for a long time. It's more meaningful basketball and 1621 01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:31.439 less of the everything else. And the All Star Game 1622 01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:34.359 might be a good example of that because during the 1623 01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:37.399 course of a two and a half hour broadcast, I 1624 01:18:37.479 --> 01:18:39.439 think we watched like twenty five minutes. 1625 01:18:39.159 --> 01:18:43.039 Of basket if that. Man if that and is like, 1626 01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:45.279 do you think that's going to fix the All Star Game? 1627 01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:47.000 No, It's why I was saying, And you know what, 1628 01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:49.039 the Lebron Let's stay in the Lebron space for a 1629 01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:51.399 moment before I do my All Star Game die trivy Ken, 1630 01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:55.039 Kevin Hart making fun of Shaq's turtleneck for thirty minutes 1631 01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:56.520 while the players are getting tight on I'm. 1632 01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:58.279 Like, what Damian Lillard letting a guy win a three 1633 01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:00.640 point content? Like, what exactly are we doing here? 1634 01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:04.359 I mean, but the Lebron conversation is interesting because I 1635 01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:08.800 honestly wonder how his peers view him, how his fellow 1636 01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:11.039 players view him, because there are two sides of this coin. 1637 01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:13.479 Number one, you could view. 1638 01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:19.439 Him really as the kind of pioneer of player empowerment, 1639 01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:24.319 you know, realizing that as the superstar player, the power 1640 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:25.119 is in your hand. 1641 01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:26.720 Now, Lebron wasn't the first. 1642 01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:29.520 There have been other players in the past and pro 1643 01:19:29.600 --> 01:19:33.079 basketball that have kind of forced their way to bigger market. 1644 01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:34.560 Shack did it with the Lakers. 1645 01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:36.279 We could all go all the way back with Kareem 1646 01:19:36.319 --> 01:19:39.560 Abdul Jabbar wanting out of Milwaukee to live in Los Angeles. 1647 01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:41.199 But Lebron was kind of the first one that was 1648 01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:45.039 front facing, took the power in his own hands. I 1649 01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:48.359 think a lot of people will always and at this 1650 01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:52.079 point unfairly knock on the way he handled his exit 1651 01:19:52.119 --> 01:19:56.560 from Cleveland because so many players have followed suit, and Lebron, 1652 01:19:56.960 --> 01:20:01.199 for his peers, might be applauded for kind of paving 1653 01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:04.520 the pathway for players not to be treated simply as 1654 01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:07.000 employees and workers that have to show up and do 1655 01:20:07.039 --> 01:20:10.119 the job every single day. Maybe players like that. But 1656 01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:12.239 you hear all these rumors and you see all these 1657 01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:15.880 things going around on social of players kind of subtweeting him, 1658 01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:20.760 taking subtle shots about his tendency to exaggerate his own 1659 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:23.079 story from time to time. But here's the other thing. 1660 01:20:23.079 --> 01:20:26.000 That Lebron did over the weekend. He took money out 1661 01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:29.319 of somebody's pocket. Now, I've never loved the whole like 1662 01:20:29.439 --> 01:20:33.079 All Star Game clause and contracts, because it's such an 1663 01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:37.159 arbitrary process. I don't really love postseason awards in NBA 1664 01:20:37.239 --> 01:20:40.199 player contracts because you're relying on media members who at 1665 01:20:40.239 --> 01:20:43.880 times don't necessarily get it right, but love it or 1666 01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:46.079 hate it. These clauses are in the contract. You make 1667 01:20:46.079 --> 01:20:47.560 the All Star Game, you get an extra two hundred 1668 01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:50.359 and fifty K. Lebron simply could have said, hey, I'm 1669 01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:53.760 not healthy, They name his replacement, and that player gets paid. 1670 01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:57.520 What Lebron did to me over the weekend was less about, hey, 1671 01:20:57.560 --> 01:20:59.439 we all want to see him play, because we do. 1672 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:01.880 He's the great to this generation and he's going to 1673 01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:04.119 be done soon. You want to see him on the floor. 1674 01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:06.960 But if I'm one of the players that was on 1675 01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:09.760 the fringe and didn't make it, and I watched Lebron 1676 01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:12.640 show up in street clothes, and I'm like, dude, say 1677 01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:14.960 something to somebody, because then I take your place, I 1678 01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:16.079 get my two hundred and fifty K. 1679 01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:16.760 We're all good. 1680 01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:19.439 Like, I think what Lebron did over the weekend was 1681 01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:23.000 innately extremely selfish in my opinion, and. 1682 01:21:22.920 --> 01:21:26.960 That's where I do wonder how that process played out. 1683 01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:29.359 Because Lebron will play the politics game. That's one of 1684 01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:33.119 the way the ways I don't really have his back 1685 01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:35.119 is that when it comes to the power game of 1686 01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:38.000 the NBA, he will exert his power on other players, 1687 01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:41.319 on execs, on coaches that he's not getting along with. 1688 01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:44.359 And hey, when you're a billionaire, you're one of the 1689 01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:47.800 most powerful people in sports, you kind of get that 1690 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:51.039 privilege to exert your power. But when you do it 1691 01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:53.560 on All Star weekend and like you said, maybe take 1692 01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:56.720 a moment from another player here, here's where I wonder, 1693 01:21:56.920 --> 01:21:59.039 does he know who that other player was and like 1694 01:22:00.760 --> 01:22:02.920 intentionally waited to last second. 1695 01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:05.039 Or it was Anthony Davis, He's like no right, or. 1696 01:22:05.039 --> 01:22:08.119 Like a player that he doesn't get along with. That's 1697 01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:11.800 something Lebron would do because it is as much as 1698 01:22:11.800 --> 01:22:14.600 I back him as a player, as a as a 1699 01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:17.319 guy that you know, when it comes to petty beefs 1700 01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:20.760 and stuff, he has a long memory. So I do 1701 01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:23.479 wonder if something like that played into it. Now, to 1702 01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:27.600 be clear, I'm also not going to like complain about 1703 01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:30.399 how bad the All Star Game was, while then also 1704 01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:33.239 being like, oh, the sanctity of the All Star Game. 1705 01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:35.319 I didn't get to see Norman Powell fill in for 1706 01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:39.479 Lebron in a game that already saw Dalton Connect and 1707 01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:41.720 Keyonta George and a bunch of guys who are not 1708 01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:45.520 All Stars. It's hard to find a middle ground when 1709 01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:47.439 the league doesn't even know what they're trying to do 1710 01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:48.119 with All Star weekend. 1711 01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:51.439 But tell that to Norman Powell, right right, And actually 1712 01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:53.840 that might be the name. And Norman Powell is not 1713 01:22:53.880 --> 01:22:55.880 a maximuney guy. He does just fine, but he's had 1714 01:22:55.880 --> 01:22:58.439 a great year. And look, as I said a little 1715 01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:01.800 bit earlier, it's probably just and I will certainly admit 1716 01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:06.399 this because I am old enough to remember attending All 1717 01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:10.239 Star games that were awesome and being wildly entertained by 1718 01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:13.560 All Star games. They were taken seriously by the best 1719 01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:17.000 players on the planet. That's why what's happened to it 1720 01:23:17.039 --> 01:23:20.359 is an absolute bummer in my opinion, But it probably 1721 01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:22.760 is beyond time just to admit what it is, and 1722 01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:27.560 that is it's an un serious celebration of the NBA 1723 01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:32.880 that is content for their television partners and that's the 1724 01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:33.560 name of the game. 1725 01:23:33.640 --> 01:23:35.479 That's what this entire thing is all about. 1726 01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:41.000 It's not like TNT wanted to air horse during COVID 1727 01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:45.640 or ESPN wanted to air horse during COVID. They called 1728 01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:48.079 the NBA and said, look, I know that this is chaotic. 1729 01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:51.680 I know it's a workstoppage. We have holes in our 1730 01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:55.560 programming to fill. You have to give us something. And 1731 01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:59.760 if you watched what happened on Sunday with the format 1732 01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:03.840 and the timing, to Porter's point about the nonsense that 1733 01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:07.119 went on compared to the actual basketball that was played, 1734 01:24:08.039 --> 01:24:09.760 it's like the Emperor has no close stuff. 1735 01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:11.119 We can see what you're doing. 1736 01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:14.880 Okay, you're forcing these guys to sit for twenty minutes 1737 01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:18.119 at a time while you have these weird bits going 1738 01:24:18.159 --> 01:24:20.279 on so you can appease sponsors, and you have all 1739 01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:23.680 these commercial breaks, and the loser ultimately is the consumer, 1740 01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:26.800 and honestly only the consumer and the NBA I don't 1741 01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:29.840 think gives a rip. So there were some fun moments 1742 01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:32.239 here or there. I think this is a weekend that 1743 01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:37.039 might be the latest thing that simply is a sunk cost, 1744 01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:39.199 and it's time to admit that maybe it even just 1745 01:24:39.239 --> 01:24:39.760 goes away. 1746 01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:42.359 I mean, I don't know how many people watch it. 1747 01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:44.920 The All Star Game we had here two years ago, 1748 01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:48.359 despite the bravado from some local folk. 1749 01:24:48.920 --> 01:24:50.760 Was the lowest rated All Star game in the history 1750 01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:51.159 of the game. 1751 01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:54.640 I have not seen the overnight splits for the All 1752 01:24:54.640 --> 01:24:55.920 Star Game or Saturday Night. 1753 01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:57.479 I can't imagine they were very high. 1754 01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:00.880 I mean, it was going up against the SNL fifty reunion, 1755 01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:03.279 we have the four Nations face off. College basketball is 1756 01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:06.279 gaining steam, but mostly I mean, unless you are just 1757 01:25:06.359 --> 01:25:09.600 a diehard MBA fan and there is some nostalgia like 1758 01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:12.079 there is for me, I can't imagine you were very 1759 01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:14.520 tuned in f at all. All Right, for the second 1760 01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:16.760 time in four months, conference leaders from the SEC and 1761 01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:20.600 the Big Ten are meeting in person. Okay, so there's 1762 01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:22.359 a lot to get to with this. They're talking about 1763 01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:25.600 the House versus the NCAA settlement. They're talking about potential 1764 01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:28.560 adjustments to the CFP format. They're talking about auto bids. 1765 01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:31.680 They're talking about scheduling partners. So we'll get to Matt 1766 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:34.239 Brown coming up next for some college football. Tim mcmahonor 1767 01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:37.319 excuse me, Dave Fox. Tim McMahon already joined US and 1768 01:25:37.359 --> 01:25:39.920 enjoyed the conversation with Dave or excuse me with Tim Davis. 1769 01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:42.960 Stop by later, but Matt Brown's gonna join us coming 1770 01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:43.600 up on the other side. 1771 01:25:43.640 --> 01:25:44.439 Before we catch a break. 1772 01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:47.399 Want to tell you about my friends at Ogden Clinic 1773 01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:48.319 Hadley Dermatology. 1774 01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:50.600 Now here's the deal, both Porter and myself. 1775 01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:54.600 Porter, during the summer months when the weather's warm, what 1776 01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:57.840 is your typical routine on a weekend when the weather's 1777 01:25:57.880 --> 01:25:58.439 really nice. 1778 01:25:59.399 --> 01:26:02.760 I'm out all the time, getting baked right, right and 1779 01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:06.560 then yes, clear whoa. 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But you know 1825 01:28:14.039 --> 01:28:16.920 what this, It feels like your dad at some point 1826 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:18.680 may have gone through an Allison Chains phase. 1827 01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:19.399 Is that? 1828 01:28:19.279 --> 01:28:19.520 Is that? 1829 01:28:19.640 --> 01:28:21.359 Is that fair? They were in there for sure. 1830 01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:25.319 He was like the more early eighties hair metal, and 1831 01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:28.960 then there was a bunch of bands that tried to 1832 01:28:29.039 --> 01:28:31.239 like keep that going, kind of as the grunge and 1833 01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:34.760 alternative thing kind of blew up, so that they were 1834 01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:35.399 in there for sure. 1835 01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:38.479 Let's ask our guy Matt Brown. I'm guessing Matt that 1836 01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:41.039 I'm older than you. But my producer, Porter, who I love, 1837 01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:43.359 is a child. He is a young and so he 1838 01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:46.560 asked me, Yeah, he asked me a very fair and 1839 01:28:46.640 --> 01:28:47.279 honest question. 1840 01:28:47.399 --> 01:28:48.560 I was very introspective. 1841 01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:51.880 How has the music that I loved from the nineties aged? 1842 01:28:52.239 --> 01:28:52.359 So? 1843 01:28:52.399 --> 01:28:53.640 How would you answer that question? 1844 01:28:53.680 --> 01:28:57.399 Matt? Oh, that that's a really that's a really good question. 1845 01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:57.680 It is. 1846 01:28:57.720 --> 01:29:01.800 Yeah, I don't know that much of it has aged 1847 01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:04.520 all that well. It's funny. I was having this exact 1848 01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:07.319 same conversation with my wife a couple of days ago. Like, 1849 01:29:07.439 --> 01:29:12.039 one of the commercially biggest bands of the nineties was 1850 01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:12.960 Blues Traveler. 1851 01:29:13.279 --> 01:29:14.079 Yeah, who's like. 1852 01:29:14.159 --> 01:29:19.000 Now doomed to play like the Canton, Ohio State Fair 1853 01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:21.279 Circuit and if you play run around I think on 1854 01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:23.560 the radio and I were like, what is this? What 1855 01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:25.840 am I doing? I mean, there's a couple of bands 1856 01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:27.880 that are going to be on the Classic Rocks, you know, 1857 01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:31.119 circuit for our grandkids. But I think there's a lot 1858 01:29:31.159 --> 01:29:33.279 more tumble wombles in there than maybe we might care 1859 01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:33.760 to admit. 1860 01:29:34.479 --> 01:29:37.600 Blues Traveler, as Porter points out, as an excellent example, 1861 01:29:37.960 --> 01:29:42.359 because Matt I am old enough to remember nineteen ninety four, 1862 01:29:42.520 --> 01:29:45.800 I was at a music festival where Blues Traveler was 1863 01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:49.000 the open Excuse me, the closing act at a festival 1864 01:29:49.079 --> 01:29:51.880 have included Fish and Dave Matthews band Blues Traveler was 1865 01:29:51.920 --> 01:29:52.439 the closer. 1866 01:29:53.279 --> 01:29:56.479 I am almost positive I went to a concert where 1867 01:29:56.560 --> 01:29:58.880 Dave Matthews opened for Blues Traveler and not the other 1868 01:29:58.920 --> 01:29:59.399 way around. 1869 01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:02.520 That sounds right. Yeah, it was Horde Festival, that's right. 1870 01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:08.039 It was Fish, Blues Traveler, widespread Panic and Blues Traveler 1871 01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:11.319 was the main act. That That is an excellent one, 1872 01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:13.119 my friend. I'll give you a lot of credit for 1873 01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:14.039 that one. That's a good one. 1874 01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:17.319 Yeah, I'll have to think about this a little bit more. 1875 01:30:17.319 --> 01:30:19.760 I mean, like, there's there's some classics there, there are 1876 01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:22.119 some bands that went to the Hall of Fame, but 1877 01:30:22.119 --> 01:30:24.279 there was a lot of forgettable moments. I mean, people 1878 01:30:24.319 --> 01:30:27.000 forget this. But if you were around in the nineties 1879 01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:30.239 and early two thousands for like nine months, and I'm 1880 01:30:30.239 --> 01:30:31.880 guessing in Utah it was probably a little bit longer 1881 01:30:31.880 --> 01:30:38.199 than nine months. Like swing music inexplicably became extraordinarily popular. Yep, 1882 01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:41.119 they let they let Big Bad, Voodoo Daddy plays the 1883 01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:44.800 Super Bowl. Everyone just got watched Swingers and had a 1884 01:30:44.840 --> 01:30:46.039 collective panic attack. 1885 01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:47.119 That's what it was. 1886 01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:49.119 These things happened, That's that's what it was. It was 1887 01:30:49.159 --> 01:30:52.319 the Swingers call and kid. Swingers is a movie with 1888 01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:55.079 Vince Vaughan. Okay, everybody, calm down, Okay, just get your 1889 01:30:55.279 --> 01:30:58.439 heads out of the gutter. Great movie, but that ultimately 1890 01:30:58.479 --> 01:31:00.560 launched the big bag Voodoo Dad, he's excellent. 1891 01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:02.079 Pull Now you're on fire today already. 1892 01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:06.399 Well, I listen. I may or may not have been 1893 01:31:06.439 --> 01:31:08.880 somebody who was swept into that too, right, because if 1894 01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:10.520 you know, if you're like one of the nine LDS 1895 01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:12.840 kids in Columbus, Ohio. 1896 01:31:12.479 --> 01:31:14.720 And you're like, oh, I will for. 1897 01:31:14.520 --> 01:31:18.119 Some inexplicable reason, I already learned how to swing dance 1898 01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:22.399 and after on Wednesday Night, mutual Now I can finally 1899 01:31:22.439 --> 01:31:24.960 participate in popular culture and that poof it's gone. 1900 01:31:25.039 --> 01:31:27.319 Yeah, there were yep, I remembered it. 1901 01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:30.560 Two LDS kids in my high school, me and my sister, 1902 01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:32.159 and so I was able to introduce a lot of 1903 01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:34.960 my classmates to the Lion King soundtrack and the Saturday's 1904 01:31:34.960 --> 01:31:35.920 Warrior soundtrack. 1905 01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:38.840 Now that was my addition to the music scene. 1906 01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:39.760 Sure, sure. 1907 01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:42.560 Yeah, I know, it's amazing that we weren't more popular 1908 01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:43.479 if your kids, oh. 1909 01:31:43.399 --> 01:31:47.039 Well said speaking of the LDS folk and our friends 1910 01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:50.880 down south. Tom Homo has announced that, after twenty years 1911 01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:54.079 on the job, Matt he is electing to find something 1912 01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:55.319 else to do with his time. And I've got to 1913 01:31:55.359 --> 01:31:57.840 say I've often said this, and I don't know if 1914 01:31:57.880 --> 01:32:00.640 being the athletic director at by U is the hardest 1915 01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:04.399 job in college athletics administration, but it's among it's among 1916 01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:06.800 the hardest jobs. I mean, look, as you know, you 1917 01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:09.880 have to align with the institution while running a department 1918 01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:14.039 that is probably least naturally aligned with what BYU is 1919 01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:17.000 as a university. I think Tom did a remarkable job. 1920 01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:19.720 He has earned his flowers on the way out the door. 1921 01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:22.279 So your thoughts on the news that Tom is stepping down, 1922 01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:23.920 and who do you think BYU looks at now? 1923 01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:28.239 Yeah, it's funny I wrote about this. I think I 1924 01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:31.479 think earlier this week that I the longer I do 1925 01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:36.039 this job, the more hesitant I am to publicly proclaim 1926 01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:38.039 somebody to be a good athletic director, because I feel 1927 01:32:38.039 --> 01:32:39.600 like I've been burned by this a couple of times, 1928 01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:41.399 and like Oh, this guy made a couple of good hires, 1929 01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:43.600 and he returns my phone calls he must be a 1930 01:32:43.600 --> 01:32:46.319 good ad, and then he ends up like a gigantic scandal, 1931 01:32:46.319 --> 01:32:48.239 like six months after he gets the plaque at NACTA. 1932 01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:50.640 And so I tend to try to, you know, be 1933 01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:53.439 hesitant about that, but I'll stay it on the radio. 1934 01:32:53.439 --> 01:32:55.199 I've said it in print. I think I think Tom 1935 01:32:55.279 --> 01:32:57.600 was excellent, and I think he was excellent for a 1936 01:32:57.640 --> 01:32:59.560 lot of the reasons that you just mentioned, Like he 1937 01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:02.279 didn't us do the things that we can commonly associate 1938 01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:05.800 with ads making good hires, which at EYU is hard 1939 01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:11.079 raising money, you know, building a culture that develops other 1940 01:33:11.199 --> 01:33:14.119 coaches and other administrators. But one of the things that 1941 01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:17.479 I really admire about him, besides the fact that I 1942 01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:21.079 think he's like legitimately good human being, is I think 1943 01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:24.680 it was really important to him about to find ways 1944 01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:27.560 to make by U Athletics to be a front porch 1945 01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:32.399 that made that was accessible to everybody, even if those 1946 01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:35.199 people might have had complicated feelings about the sponsoring institution 1947 01:33:35.359 --> 01:33:37.159 or didn't want to sign up for maybe everything else 1948 01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:40.560 that comes with YU fanhood, right, Tom is not a 1949 01:33:40.720 --> 01:33:44.880 ninth generation Pioneers Science Camp person. He's a convert. He's 1950 01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:48.039 in charge of the department, which I think is inarguably 1951 01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:52.399 the most diverse and least LDS part of the church 1952 01:33:52.560 --> 01:33:55.239 education system, and has to learn how to speak the 1953 01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:57.640 language that maybe comes a little bit more naturally to 1954 01:33:57.720 --> 01:34:00.319 people like you and I, and I think I think 1955 01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:05.600 did a great job. It's very difficult to navigate conference realignment. 1956 01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:09.800 It's difficult to operate a Netholic department where their resources 1957 01:34:09.840 --> 01:34:13.239 don't match fan expectations. And I think that was true 1958 01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:15.840 for BYU for a long time. And to do all 1959 01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:18.960 that and to still have almost everybody that knows you 1960 01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:20.640 and has worked with you, and even if they're not 1961 01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:23.920 from the state say you're a good person, that's rare. 1962 01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:27.319 And I think as somebody who just who cares about 1963 01:34:27.319 --> 01:34:29.760 this industry, like not because I care about BYU, like 1964 01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:32.439 specifically when we're another I'm sad he's gone because I 1965 01:34:32.479 --> 01:34:35.199 think there's some really difficult or leaving Like he's not dead, 1966 01:34:35.239 --> 01:34:38.359 but he's he's leaving this industry because there's some really 1967 01:34:38.359 --> 01:34:41.680 difficult questions that I think would benefit from good human beings. 1968 01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:43.680 I think Tom is one of those good human beings. 1969 01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:45.640 I agree with you, and he's always been good to 1970 01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:48.359 me in the opportunities I've had to interview him and 1971 01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:51.560 affair as well. So I think BYU lost a good one. 1972 01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:55.560 So during the press conference to announce it was very reverend. 1973 01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:57.840 It was a very reverend press conference to announce that 1974 01:34:57.840 --> 01:35:02.279 that Tom was stepping down. The president of BYU, Shane Rees. See, 1975 01:35:02.279 --> 01:35:04.439 Shane Rees got to have the sea, you know, this match, 1976 01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:06.439 you got to have the see President c. Shane Rees 1977 01:35:07.039 --> 01:35:10.199 went over his list of you know, kind of criteria 1978 01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:12.560 for who he would look at next for Tom, and 1979 01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:15.840 it was the standard bring him young answer that you 1980 01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:19.439 would expect to align with the institution, even said, you know, 1981 01:35:20.279 --> 01:35:22.560 he's got to lead with Jesus in mind. You know 1982 01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:25.720 the things that they say, and it leads to the question, 1983 01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:27.439 who do you think they look at next? You think 1984 01:35:27.439 --> 01:35:29.600 it's in house? President Rees said it was going to 1985 01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:31.640 be a national search. Who do you think they land out? 1986 01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:32.880 Give me your thoughts there, Matt. 1987 01:35:33.319 --> 01:35:36.880 So I'm told it is a national search, and I 1988 01:35:37.439 --> 01:35:39.640 could be wrong here, but this is the first time 1989 01:35:39.640 --> 01:35:43.880 that I can recall since I've been doing this professionally 1990 01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:48.159 that BYU has retained the services of like a third 1991 01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:50.600 party search firm. Normally you don't need to do that 1992 01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:52.159 because you and I could sit down here and I 1993 01:35:52.199 --> 01:35:54.640 was like, there's only six LDS coaches, right, we can 1994 01:35:54.680 --> 01:35:56.840 figure out who the list is is not it's not 1995 01:35:56.960 --> 01:36:00.600 rocket science, And it's true there's not a lot of 1996 01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:05.079 people that have the college athletics industry experience and presumably 1997 01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:08.840 a Temple recommend Right. I want to say there's five, 1998 01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:14.479 maybe six sitting Division one ads who are LDS, and 1999 01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:17.680 for a variety of reasons, be that age, of personal preference, 2000 01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:19.399 most of them are not going to be candidates for 2001 01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:23.279 this role. I think there's three really excellent, very capable people, 2002 01:36:23.319 --> 01:36:25.720 at least three, maybe more. I don't know everybody at BYU, 2003 01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:28.560 but at least three capable internal people who could do 2004 01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:32.119 this job. But the fact that they're working with an 2005 01:36:32.159 --> 01:36:35.199 outside firm makes me think that BYU is going to 2006 01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:38.800 seriously consider a lot of folks who are not currently 2007 01:36:38.840 --> 01:36:42.319 working in college athletics. The Marriott School of Business is 2008 01:36:42.359 --> 01:36:44.199 good for a lot of things. There's a whole bunch 2009 01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:46.560 of CEOs out there, a whole lot of attorneys that 2010 01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:49.880 have worked in the entertainment industry. In some capacity by 2011 01:36:49.920 --> 01:36:54.520 you've done this before, I would be pretty surprised if 2012 01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:58.840 the AD is not either, you know, one of one 2013 01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:01.920 of the two three people that are currently on staff, 2014 01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:04.800 Like if it's not somebody that's already in the athletic department, 2015 01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:07.039 I think it's gonna be somebody that most people listening 2016 01:37:07.039 --> 01:37:09.119 to this have never heard of, because it's not going 2017 01:37:09.199 --> 01:37:14.039 to be a senior associate AD at Kentucky or the 2018 01:37:14.119 --> 01:37:16.439 number three of Utah or anything like this is this 2019 01:37:16.479 --> 01:37:17.640 is the kind of world where I think they're going 2020 01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:19.159 to look at, you know who, am I. 2021 01:37:19.159 --> 01:37:20.600 Jet Blues who? 2022 01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:23.800 Because this role is changing so much. Right it's not 2023 01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:26.239 as much about hiring the best baseball coach as it 2024 01:37:26.279 --> 01:37:30.560 is now navigating some really complicated business and legal realities. 2025 01:37:31.239 --> 01:37:33.720 And that's exactly where I wanted to go next, because 2026 01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:37.039 this is a job that is a different ask than 2027 01:37:37.079 --> 01:37:39.840 it was twenty years ago. And yeah, you know, you 2028 01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:42.520 could go over a litany the guy who I think 2029 01:37:42.560 --> 01:37:46.319 they I don't know if Brian Rolapp answers the phone, 2030 01:37:46.640 --> 01:37:50.840 because he's the CEO of the National Football League, he 2031 01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:55.239 essentially is Goodell's number two. I think if Rolap stays 2032 01:37:55.279 --> 01:37:57.399 with the NFL. He's going to be the next commissioner, 2033 01:37:57.439 --> 01:37:59.960 and therefore I don't know that he even interviews for it. 2034 01:38:00.439 --> 01:38:03.680 But he is a BYU grad, He's a Harvard MBA. 2035 01:38:04.279 --> 01:38:05.800 I've met him a number of times, You've had him 2036 01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:08.479 on the show. He is a dynamic pro and he's 2037 01:38:08.479 --> 01:38:11.439 a really smart dude. He is kind of credited by 2038 01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:14.600 you know, for essentially leading the NFL to where they're 2039 01:38:14.600 --> 01:38:18.399 at right now with their myriad of revenue streams based 2040 01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:22.319 off their broadcast deals. But this is a long and 2041 01:38:22.399 --> 01:38:24.840 complicated way of me asking you a simple question, which 2042 01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:29.600 is how has the changing dynamic and landscape of collegiate athletics, 2043 01:38:29.640 --> 01:38:33.600 namely college football changed the ask for what this job 2044 01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:34.079 is now? 2045 01:38:34.960 --> 01:38:35.159 Well? 2046 01:38:35.399 --> 01:38:37.119 And I would say that the I think the ask 2047 01:38:37.159 --> 01:38:40.520 for being the AD at BYU is different than being 2048 01:38:40.560 --> 01:38:43.399 the AD at Utah, although both of those jobs have 2049 01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:46.560 changed very significantly over the last five or six years, 2050 01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:48.840 in part because of some of the changing finances. Right 2051 01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:51.840 you know, DYU, as I understand, it is not a 2052 01:38:51.880 --> 01:38:53.760 place where you're going to be able to, you know, 2053 01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:57.640 permitted to habitually deficit spend. You're going to have to 2054 01:38:57.680 --> 01:38:59.720 bring in revenues that match what do you want to 2055 01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:01.680 be at to spend and that means you're going to 2056 01:39:01.760 --> 01:39:05.960 need somebody who is dynamic about finding new money in 2057 01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:10.640 a way that aligns with church principles that that you know, 2058 01:39:10.680 --> 01:39:12.199 you're not going to be able to make come up 2059 01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:15.039 with an extra fifteen million dollars through selling data rights 2060 01:39:15.079 --> 01:39:18.479 to gambling companies, which is something that a few other 2061 01:39:18.520 --> 01:39:21.159 major conferences have kicked the tires on or or deeper. 2062 01:39:21.239 --> 01:39:23.960 You know, MMR deals with with with with with deer 2063 01:39:24.039 --> 01:39:27.600 or something. So, whether that's getting even more creative about 2064 01:39:27.640 --> 01:39:31.960 earned revenue from sponsorships, whether that's potentially playing more games 2065 01:39:32.039 --> 01:39:35.920 or other games outside of of the United States and 2066 01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:38.720 trying to engage globally, whether that's that's doing different things 2067 01:39:38.720 --> 01:39:41.039 with yu TV, All that kind of stuff's on the table. 2068 01:39:41.399 --> 01:39:46.760 But there's also almost a government affairs and legal component 2069 01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:51.479 to all of this. Right, everybody who's an AD now 2070 01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:55.399 has the responsibility to comply with Title nine, and that 2071 01:39:55.520 --> 01:39:58.479 is much more complicated now than it was two weeks ago, 2072 01:39:58.560 --> 01:40:00.760 and certainly and two years before or you know before 2073 01:40:00.800 --> 01:40:06.439 then you have various reporting responsibilities with the Department of Education, 2074 01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:09.199 which may or may not continue to exist your athletes 2075 01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:11.960 may or may not be employees in three or four years. 2076 01:40:12.399 --> 01:40:14.840 You're being sued six ways from Sunday as part of 2077 01:40:14.840 --> 01:40:17.720 the NC double A. If you're a Big twelve athletic 2078 01:40:17.720 --> 01:40:20.680 director or university president, you have to be worried that 2079 01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:22.720 the big tenant sec aren't going to try to muscle 2080 01:40:22.720 --> 01:40:25.239 you out of big time college sports. So this is 2081 01:40:25.279 --> 01:40:29.479 a job that's not just about hiring and training and running, 2082 01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:33.119 you know, successful athletic programs. And it's not just a 2083 01:40:33.159 --> 01:40:35.520 sales job. I think it's a little bit of a 2084 01:40:35.560 --> 01:40:38.600 lobbying job. It's a little bit of a lawyer job. 2085 01:40:39.319 --> 01:40:43.119 It's certainly some some back channel political diplomacy kind of job. 2086 01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:46.199 And then at BYU you're also a very public ambassador 2087 01:40:46.199 --> 01:40:48.199 for the church. This is not a place where you 2088 01:40:48.199 --> 01:40:50.560 can get photographed on a fundraising visit in a bar, 2089 01:40:50.720 --> 01:40:52.720 even if you're not drinking, even if you're not doing 2090 01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:56.239 anything wrong, because there's going to be pressures here that 2091 01:40:56.319 --> 01:40:58.199 are just not not a thing that you have to 2092 01:40:58.239 --> 01:41:01.640 deal with at Utah or with the Philadelphia Eagles at 2093 01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:05.880 the Phoenix Suns. And that's not necessarily a criticism, that's 2094 01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:08.840 that's just the reality of the gig so I had. 2095 01:41:09.399 --> 01:41:13.039 I had breakfast with a gentleman about three months ago 2096 01:41:13.399 --> 01:41:17.239 who is a pretty heavy hitter in our market, and 2097 01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:21.760 we discussed the dynamic of, you know, where the schools 2098 01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:24.960 are at locally with their collectives, and he told me 2099 01:41:25.039 --> 01:41:27.720 that his understanding is bringing me on. Right now has 2100 01:41:27.960 --> 01:41:31.560 nine seven figure donors, while the University of Utah only 2101 01:41:31.600 --> 01:41:33.520 has two. Now, that was about three or four months ago. 2102 01:41:33.640 --> 01:41:36.479 I don't know what's changed, But do you have a 2103 01:41:36.640 --> 01:41:41.119 grasp or an accurate understanding on just how that collective 2104 01:41:41.119 --> 01:41:43.520 down in Provo is doing? It seems like it's very healthy. 2105 01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:46.199 They signed the number one player in college basketball next year. 2106 01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:48.840 According to what I've been told, both Jegor Demon and 2107 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:52.359 Cannon Catchings are seven figure kids. I don't know how 2108 01:41:52.439 --> 01:41:57.159 much of the support Kalani gets on the football side 2109 01:41:57.159 --> 01:41:59.279 that Kevin gets on the basketball side, but the football 2110 01:41:59.319 --> 01:42:01.079 team was really good this year. Do you have an 2111 01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:04.199 accurate understanding of just exactly where they're at down there 2112 01:42:04.199 --> 01:42:05.359 with their finances? 2113 01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:08.159 Yeah, And it's hard because so many of these things 2114 01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:10.880 get you know, cut through telephone, and it's the private 2115 01:42:10.920 --> 01:42:12.840 institutions and you don't have to you don't get the 2116 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:15.279 same stuff you do from the irs as you might 2117 01:42:15.319 --> 01:42:18.680 for other places. The folks that I trust has said, Hey, 2118 01:42:18.760 --> 01:42:21.039 you know, there's this kind of meme around the internet 2119 01:42:21.079 --> 01:42:24.720 that b what US basketball budget is just from the youth, 2120 01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:26.800 it's just just from Ryan Smith, and that isn't true. 2121 01:42:26.840 --> 01:42:29.640 Whether it's nine seven big donors or four big donors 2122 01:42:29.680 --> 01:42:31.359 or six big donors. Don't know the exact number, but 2123 01:42:31.399 --> 01:42:34.840 I know it's multiple people. And my understanding and I 2124 01:42:34.880 --> 01:42:36.359 think we've said this on the year before here too, 2125 01:42:36.399 --> 01:42:39.399 and that hasn't changed. Is the amount of money and 2126 01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:42.520 the kind of major financial commitments coming to be what 2127 01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:44.640 you basketball are not the same that are coming into 2128 01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:46.600 BAU football. And part of that I think is just 2129 01:42:47.199 --> 01:42:49.680 a business decision. You can drop seven figures on one 2130 01:42:49.720 --> 01:42:53.000 basketball player and that can be the difference between playing 2131 01:42:53.000 --> 01:42:55.680 in Dayton and playing in the Sweet sixteen. You could 2132 01:42:55.680 --> 01:42:58.960 put seven figures into one football player and you've changed nothing. 2133 01:43:00.159 --> 01:43:03.640 You really can't overspend on four or five guys. You 2134 01:43:03.720 --> 01:43:08.600 need fifty five guys to be a really, really expective team. 2135 01:43:08.720 --> 01:43:12.640 And I think the rules for roster management in football, 2136 01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:15.640 especially at a place like BYU, are always going to 2137 01:43:15.680 --> 01:43:17.920 be very different. So it probably does make more financial 2138 01:43:17.960 --> 01:43:23.000 sense to make a bigger splash for basketball. I'd hope 2139 01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:25.560 that you can win sixty five percent of your games 2140 01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:26.199 in conference. 2141 01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:28.319 I can't speak to. 2142 01:43:28.720 --> 01:43:32.199 Where the elite heavy hitter donor activity is happening in Utah. 2143 01:43:32.239 --> 01:43:34.199 I think that that was a school that did a 2144 01:43:34.199 --> 01:43:37.159 really good job of engaging their corporate community, did a 2145 01:43:37.159 --> 01:43:39.600 really good job of engaging some of their donors who 2146 01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:42.399 are maybe not dropping seven figures, but are comfortable dropping 2147 01:43:42.479 --> 01:43:44.560 high five figures, and you need a lot of those two. 2148 01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:50.560 I think maybe if there are some either a basketball 2149 01:43:50.600 --> 01:43:53.079 head coaching change or a reason for more of the 2150 01:43:53.079 --> 01:43:56.000 basketball folks to get a little bit more engaged, or 2151 01:43:56.159 --> 01:43:58.199 some other kind of big news on the football side, 2152 01:43:58.560 --> 01:44:00.399 I wouldn't be surprised to see more of that money 2153 01:44:00.439 --> 01:44:03.119 coming back out. It's very hard for almost anybody, if 2154 01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:07.560 you're not Ohio State, to get the same twelve people 2155 01:44:07.680 --> 01:44:11.840 to write you big checks every single year. There's gonna 2156 01:44:11.840 --> 01:44:14.000 be years when you're just going to financially go for it, 2157 01:44:14.039 --> 01:44:16.600 and there's probably gonna be years when you don't. And 2158 01:44:16.640 --> 01:44:20.760 that's going to be true for most P four programs. 2159 01:44:21.279 --> 01:44:23.600 All right, So moving off of BYU but staying in 2160 01:44:23.640 --> 01:44:25.960 the space and thank you for doing this. If I 2161 01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:29.279 could quote Kendrick Lamar, not like us, because there's no 2162 01:44:29.359 --> 01:44:32.680 way I would dig through dozens and dozens of twenty 2163 01:44:32.720 --> 01:44:35.199 twenty three NIL collective nine nineties. 2164 01:44:35.399 --> 01:44:38.800 But Matt, you did that. So what did you learn 2165 01:44:38.960 --> 01:44:40.119 through this exercise? 2166 01:44:40.520 --> 01:44:42.680 You know, you can go whatever direction you want, just 2167 01:44:42.760 --> 01:44:44.840 kind of a big picture question. You wrote on this 2168 01:44:45.640 --> 01:44:48.760 just a few days ago, and you know you've learned 2169 01:44:48.800 --> 01:44:51.479 about how these collectives grew or shrank to your point, 2170 01:44:51.560 --> 01:44:54.199 and how they're paying athletes. It is a topic that 2171 01:44:54.279 --> 01:44:56.600 all college athletic fans are interested in. 2172 01:44:56.640 --> 01:44:59.399 What did you learn as you kind of undertook this exercise? 2173 01:45:00.199 --> 01:45:02.960 Yeah, and so for those for folks who are listening 2174 01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:06.159 here right, an NIL collective can be set up as 2175 01:45:06.239 --> 01:45:09.520 a nonprofit or a for profit or not for profit. 2176 01:45:09.880 --> 01:45:11.520 And if you're a nonprofit, if you're a five o' 2177 01:45:11.560 --> 01:45:15.319 one C three, you have to file at nine to ninety, 2178 01:45:15.399 --> 01:45:18.800 which is a form that any any reporter or any 2179 01:45:18.880 --> 01:45:22.039 JOQ public person can examine where you have to declare 2180 01:45:22.479 --> 01:45:25.000 how much money you brought in and where you spent 2181 01:45:25.039 --> 01:45:27.680 a lot of it, and who you're paying. One of 2182 01:45:28.039 --> 01:45:31.279 Utah's main collective for fiscal year twenty twenty three, the 2183 01:45:31.279 --> 01:45:35.960 Crimson Collective was one of those nonprofits. They told the 2184 01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:37.800 i r S that they brought in a little over 2185 01:45:37.880 --> 01:45:40.079 five and a half million dollars, which was on the 2186 01:45:40.159 --> 01:45:45.439 higher end of the collectives that we examined over the 2187 01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:47.079 course of the year. I think that the largest one 2188 01:45:47.119 --> 01:45:49.640 from fiscal year twenty three was Notre Dames that that 2189 01:45:49.760 --> 01:45:53.079 was well into the eight figures. That doesn't necessarily mean 2190 01:45:53.079 --> 01:45:55.039 that five and a half million dollars was all of 2191 01:45:55.119 --> 01:45:57.920 Utah's budget, right There's going to be commercial deals and 2192 01:45:57.960 --> 01:46:01.960 activities or other collective activities, our individual athlete deals that 2193 01:46:02.000 --> 01:46:04.239 have nothing that don't show up there. But I think 2194 01:46:04.239 --> 01:46:06.439 this was an interesting snapshot because for a while it 2195 01:46:06.479 --> 01:46:08.319 seemed like that was the future. Everyone's going to have 2196 01:46:08.359 --> 01:46:11.000 a five to one seats three collective. People could donate 2197 01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:13.199 to it and and and write that off their taxes, 2198 01:46:13.239 --> 01:46:14.880 and that was going to be the most efficient way. 2199 01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:18.880 The i r S on multiple times has has has 2200 01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:22.199 questioned that distinction. More and more of these groups are dissolving. 2201 01:46:22.600 --> 01:46:24.600 Some of them are dissolving just because the collectives in 2202 01:46:24.600 --> 01:46:26.520 general are going to be less powerful in the post 2203 01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:28.760 House Settlement era. So I don't I don't think this 2204 01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:31.800 is the future anymore. But you know, from what we 2205 01:46:31.800 --> 01:46:34.560 were able to see, you could see, Hey, this this 2206 01:46:35.159 --> 01:46:37.680 UTAH was able to raise more money than than many 2207 01:46:37.720 --> 01:46:40.199 other similar programs, Like it was a bigger fund than 2208 01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:42.359 Washington's main collective. 2209 01:46:42.399 --> 01:46:42.600 It was. 2210 01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:45.399 It was a bigger fund than than what Purdue was reporting. 2211 01:46:45.479 --> 01:46:49.960 It was. It was bigger than what some of the 2212 01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:53.279 other schools in the Big twelve are reporting, which it 2213 01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:56.039 which speaks to some of that donor activity. 2214 01:46:56.279 --> 01:46:58.680 All right, excuse me, moving over to a story you 2215 01:46:58.680 --> 01:47:03.920 and I talked about and the Biden administration they handed 2216 01:47:03.960 --> 01:47:07.520 down the Title nine guidance, which at the time indicated 2217 01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:12.199 nil payments would follow under the Title nine guidelines. And 2218 01:47:12.239 --> 01:47:13.840 you were kind of the first guest we had on 2219 01:47:13.880 --> 01:47:17.399 the show to talk about the potential roll back once 2220 01:47:17.439 --> 01:47:19.079 the Trump administration took over. 2221 01:47:19.560 --> 01:47:20.920 And it's not just that, is it. 2222 01:47:20.920 --> 01:47:27.279 It's the rescinding the National Lation National Labor Relations Memorandum 2223 01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:30.399 viewing college athletes as employees. And then there's the Title 2224 01:47:30.479 --> 01:47:32.720 nine stuff as well that's been rolled back. So walk 2225 01:47:32.800 --> 01:47:35.119 us through this. What does it mean? What do we 2226 01:47:35.159 --> 01:47:36.159 need to know? About this map. 2227 01:47:36.600 --> 01:47:40.039 Yeah, let's try to translate this into like non policy 2228 01:47:40.119 --> 01:47:45.319 dorc language here. Right right before the Biden administration left 2229 01:47:45.319 --> 01:47:48.359 the White House, their Department of Education put out a 2230 01:47:48.399 --> 01:47:51.520 memo that said, hey, you know, based on this case law, 2231 01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:56.560 based on how Title nine has traditionally been interpreted, we 2232 01:47:56.640 --> 01:48:01.439 believe that the House Settlement revenue sharing needs to be 2233 01:48:01.479 --> 01:48:04.640 split the same way that scholarship money is distributed. You 2234 01:48:04.680 --> 01:48:07.000 have to comply with Title nine for this particular thing, 2235 01:48:07.279 --> 01:48:11.359 which is very significant because almost every school, and I'm 2236 01:48:11.399 --> 01:48:14.479 sure including the schools in this market, we're planning on 2237 01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:18.960 distributing you know, eighty five plus percent of their you know, 2238 01:48:19.039 --> 01:48:23.319 direct direct payments to football, men's basketball, maybe women's basketball, 2239 01:48:23.319 --> 01:48:26.079 but certainly not anything resembling a fifty to fifty or 2240 01:48:26.319 --> 01:48:31.399 fifty three to forty seven split. You know, the industry 2241 01:48:31.439 --> 01:48:34.319 perception and expectation was, I think the Trump White House 2242 01:48:34.359 --> 01:48:37.159 is going to roll this back, which is exactly what happens. 2243 01:48:37.640 --> 01:48:41.479 But I think, not to get like partisan here, it 2244 01:48:41.560 --> 01:48:45.359 just still creates a sense of uncertainty and challenge if 2245 01:48:45.399 --> 01:48:49.239 you're an athletic administrator right now. One of the reasons 2246 01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:54.439 is that historically the federal government arm that investigates Title 2247 01:48:54.520 --> 01:48:57.439 nine is out of the Department of Education, with the 2248 01:48:58.079 --> 01:49:01.640 Office of Civil Rights within there. And the Trump administration 2249 01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:03.920 wants to get rid of the Department of Education, and 2250 01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:08.680 if not completely, then then to gut it so much 2251 01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:12.960 that I can't handle most of its responsibilities. And this 2252 01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:15.199 isn't me as like a crazy live saying this like 2253 01:49:15.279 --> 01:49:16.800 that's that's what they said they wanted to do as 2254 01:49:16.840 --> 01:49:19.359 part of their government restructuring. So I mean, it isn't 2255 01:49:19.399 --> 01:49:22.840 really clear whether that responsibility goes to the Department of Justice, 2256 01:49:23.239 --> 01:49:26.439 if it goes away entirely, if it goes to somebody else, 2257 01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:31.279 And that that's true for other similar Title nine reporting. 2258 01:49:31.720 --> 01:49:33.680 So part of the challenge right now if you're a 2259 01:49:33.720 --> 01:49:38.000 school isn't just how do I protect myself from being 2260 01:49:38.079 --> 01:49:40.279 sued or losing a lawsuit when I set up this 2261 01:49:40.319 --> 01:49:43.600 house settlement money, but how do I set myself up 2262 01:49:43.600 --> 01:49:46.720 for long term compliance? And also how do I set 2263 01:49:46.760 --> 01:49:49.600 myself up for long term compliance in case, you know, 2264 01:49:50.000 --> 01:49:51.960 Democrats come back in the White House in four years 2265 01:49:51.960 --> 01:49:54.319 and bring a bunch of this stuff back. Do I 2266 01:49:54.319 --> 01:49:55.920 want to be able to go into a lawsuit and 2267 01:49:56.159 --> 01:49:58.239 then realize that I haven't been keeping receipts for a while, 2268 01:49:58.319 --> 01:50:03.199 Like there's there's there's a lot of concern because the 2269 01:50:04.159 --> 01:50:09.359 speed and the somewhat randomness of the federal government cutbacks 2270 01:50:09.479 --> 01:50:15.159 and reorganizations is faster than what people understand how to 2271 01:50:15.159 --> 01:50:18.079 comply with any of those rules are so long answer 2272 01:50:18.600 --> 01:50:21.640 to say, people are confused, and they're. 2273 01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:23.800 Probably going to be confused for a few more weeks. 2274 01:50:24.079 --> 01:50:27.119 So moving over into this space, while kind of staying 2275 01:50:27.159 --> 01:50:29.760 in the same general area, you were one of the 2276 01:50:29.800 --> 01:50:33.279 first that I heard say that you are now skeptical 2277 01:50:33.600 --> 01:50:37.560 that college football will eventually land on this pro model 2278 01:50:37.600 --> 01:50:40.000 that we've all pontificated on for a number of years, 2279 01:50:40.039 --> 01:50:43.279 and very smart college football media members like yourself right 2280 01:50:43.319 --> 01:50:46.479 about all the time. And that was prior to the 2281 01:50:46.520 --> 01:50:49.560 new administration taking over, and you articulated why you were 2282 01:50:49.560 --> 01:50:51.680 a little bit skeptical that we were going to fall 2283 01:50:51.720 --> 01:50:53.680 into this model even though a lot of people believe 2284 01:50:53.720 --> 01:50:56.800 it is an eventuality. Let's revisit it now that the 2285 01:50:56.800 --> 01:51:00.159 Trump administration is in the White House. Are you still 2286 01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:02.159 in that space where you're not sure that this pro 2287 01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:05.079 model is the eventual place where this plane will land 2288 01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:06.680 or have you kind of change your stance there. 2289 01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:11.159 No, I think where I am right now is very uncertain. 2290 01:51:11.640 --> 01:51:15.119 I completely understand the it's inevitable argument, and a lot 2291 01:51:15.199 --> 01:51:19.840 of that centers on not the White House and not 2292 01:51:19.920 --> 01:51:23.399 Congress necessarily, but the court system. Where a world where 2293 01:51:23.439 --> 01:51:27.000 you are directly distributing revenued athletes and what they are 2294 01:51:27.039 --> 01:51:32.039 doing and practice resembles an employment relationship. More and more 2295 01:51:32.439 --> 01:51:35.760 that that courts would eventually rule that big time football 2296 01:51:35.760 --> 01:51:38.199 players and big time basketball players are employees and have 2297 01:51:38.279 --> 01:51:42.279 to be treated as such. And in a divide to Congress, 2298 01:51:43.159 --> 01:51:46.199 there isn't really the ability to pass the law to 2299 01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:50.760 prevent that. But where we are right now is one 2300 01:51:51.039 --> 01:51:54.840 a world where so much of the kind of administrative 2301 01:51:54.920 --> 01:51:58.920 law and precedent around labor relations it's being thrown out 2302 01:51:58.920 --> 01:52:03.600 the window gone here in four months from the National 2303 01:52:03.720 --> 01:52:07.720 Labor Relations Board ruling in favor of athlete unionization too, 2304 01:52:08.520 --> 01:52:12.479 they're legitimately not potentially not being a National Labor Relations 2305 01:52:12.479 --> 01:52:15.399 board at all. Uh, there's there's a there's a real 2306 01:52:15.479 --> 01:52:18.079 chance this Supreme Court might decide it's unconstitutional. 2307 01:52:18.600 --> 01:52:18.680 Uh. 2308 01:52:18.720 --> 01:52:21.239 They've already fired all the people that that that said 2309 01:52:21.319 --> 01:52:24.159 that they were ruling in favor of the college athletes 2310 01:52:24.199 --> 01:52:27.079 to begin with, we're also moving towards the world here 2311 01:52:27.119 --> 01:52:31.039 where Republicans have unified control of of of the legislature. 2312 01:52:31.119 --> 01:52:34.680 And the guy that's most invested in college sports right now, 2313 01:52:34.800 --> 01:52:36.920 and and who's going to lead a committee is Ted Cruz, 2314 01:52:37.399 --> 01:52:41.399 and Ted Cruz is already signaled, Hey, I am I'm 2315 01:52:41.439 --> 01:52:45.279 broadly sympathetic to to college sports concerns right now. I'm 2316 01:52:45.319 --> 01:52:50.000 not exactly a friend of organized labor, whether he grants 2317 01:52:50.000 --> 01:52:52.960 the NC double A and outright anti trust exemption or 2318 01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:56.720 or something different. The idea that Congress can just step 2319 01:52:56.800 --> 01:52:58.479 up and say, I don't care what the court say 2320 01:52:58.680 --> 01:53:03.520 new law, college athletes aren't employees is a legitimate possibility 2321 01:53:03.600 --> 01:53:05.439 right now. And you might go, ah, but I won't 2322 01:53:05.479 --> 01:53:07.319 do that because that's not very free market of them. 2323 01:53:07.359 --> 01:53:10.000 Like come on, have you met Tommy Tuberville like that? 2324 01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:13.159 That's that's not the point. This isn't about ideology anymore, 2325 01:53:13.239 --> 01:53:17.039 right Like, this is about whether guys that don't follow 2326 01:53:17.079 --> 01:53:19.199 college sports very closely are reading the tea leaves and 2327 01:53:19.279 --> 01:53:21.640 think that there's gonna be enough you know, fan resentment 2328 01:53:21.720 --> 01:53:24.159 on the nil era to try to slam the door 2329 01:53:24.199 --> 01:53:27.560 on some of this stuff. So I don't want to 2330 01:53:27.600 --> 01:53:29.960 say that that's that's absolutely going to happen. But I 2331 01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:36.279 think any attorney, any athlete, labor rights advocate, any athletic 2332 01:53:36.319 --> 01:53:39.960 director that's not willing to grapple with the actual political 2333 01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:42.199 reality right now it has their head in his hand. 2334 01:53:42.800 --> 01:53:47.119 It's such a different world than it was six months ago, 2335 01:53:47.680 --> 01:53:52.199 and you just simply cannot rely on on on past 2336 01:53:52.319 --> 01:53:56.520 precedent and previous institutions to rule a particular way anymore. 2337 01:53:57.079 --> 01:53:59.359 Dovetails are to the final question for today, For the 2338 01:53:59.399 --> 01:54:02.199 second time or four months, the powerbrokers from the SEC 2339 01:54:02.279 --> 01:54:05.159 and the Big ten are getting together to discuss what 2340 01:54:05.439 --> 01:54:08.079 they want this entire thing to look like moving forward. 2341 01:54:08.720 --> 01:54:12.359 They'll discuss the House for NCAA settlement, future governance, and 2342 01:54:12.359 --> 01:54:16.560 then of course the CFP format, scheduling, partners ships and such. 2343 01:54:16.600 --> 01:54:18.079 We're in the Big twelve footprints. 2344 01:54:19.199 --> 01:54:22.279 What do you make of this continued momentum moving in 2345 01:54:22.319 --> 01:54:25.600 the direction of those two conferences essentially calling all the shots. 2346 01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:27.640 Yeah, I think if I was a fan of a 2347 01:54:27.640 --> 01:54:31.279 Big twelve institution, I'd be deeply concerned about this, because 2348 01:54:31.359 --> 01:54:33.279 I don't know if there's a really effective way that 2349 01:54:33.319 --> 01:54:36.119 the Big twelve and ACC can can fight some of 2350 01:54:36.159 --> 01:54:39.600 these changes. The idea that hey, the last college football 2351 01:54:39.600 --> 01:54:43.600 playoff format was built around a conference alignment world that 2352 01:54:43.640 --> 01:54:48.159 doesn't exist anymore. I think that has some merit. And 2353 01:54:48.760 --> 01:54:50.960 I don't think the Big Ten and the SEC demanding 2354 01:54:51.039 --> 01:54:54.199 multiple automatic bids has any merit. I think that that's 2355 01:54:54.319 --> 01:54:59.840 terrible and honestly anti American. But they have the leverage 2356 01:54:59.840 --> 01:55:03.199 to potentially push for some of those things. So and 2357 01:55:03.239 --> 01:55:06.640 I think that would be absolutely terrible for this conference. 2358 01:55:06.760 --> 01:55:09.479 The more spots that are locked up by these these 2359 01:55:09.520 --> 01:55:11.439 bigger brands, it's not going to free up more space 2360 01:55:11.479 --> 01:55:12.960 for you guys. It's gonna it's going to create a 2361 01:55:12.960 --> 01:55:16.079 path to help them get seven. And nobody in this 2362 01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:20.279 league for football recruits anywhere close to the championship caliber 2363 01:55:20.359 --> 01:55:23.359 level to compete with the Ohio States or Organs on 2364 01:55:23.399 --> 01:55:26.239 a year and year out basis. So this is I 2365 01:55:26.279 --> 01:55:31.720 would consider this a borderline existential threat. I don't I 2366 01:55:31.760 --> 01:55:33.319 can't sit here on the radio and tell you I 2367 01:55:33.359 --> 01:55:35.439 know exactly how this is going to go or whether 2368 01:55:35.600 --> 01:55:37.920 they're going to be successful in twenty sixteen or successful 2369 01:55:37.920 --> 01:55:40.920 a little bit later on. But this is a concern 2370 01:55:41.600 --> 01:55:43.960 that I think really needs to animate, not just Big 2371 01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:48.800 twelve and ACC athletic directors, but university presidents and their attorneys. 2372 01:55:49.359 --> 01:55:51.439 All right, man, Where can people go find all that 2373 01:55:51.600 --> 01:55:54.279 work that ultimately allows you to talk for twenty minutes 2374 01:55:54.279 --> 01:55:56.000 about things and none of us fully understand. 2375 01:55:57.600 --> 01:56:01.159 You can find the Extra Points newsletter at extra Points 2376 01:56:01.359 --> 01:56:04.720 mb dot com. I have a story coming out tomorrow 2377 01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:09.039 about changes in the video game group licensing space, which 2378 01:56:09.079 --> 01:56:12.119 I understand are of interest too many fans. I've also 2379 01:56:12.159 --> 01:56:14.000 got some original reporting coming on in a day or 2380 01:56:14.039 --> 01:56:18.319 two about the US Soccer Federation potentially trying to take 2381 01:56:18.319 --> 01:56:22.359 over college soccer, and more about what's happening here in 2382 01:56:22.359 --> 01:56:25.319 New Orleans. To find at Extra Points MV dot com. 2383 01:56:25.439 --> 01:56:27.960 You can find me on the internet at Matt BROWNEP. 2384 01:56:28.640 --> 01:56:30.239 You're the man, Matt. Thanks for the time, buddy. We'll 2385 01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:32.760 chat soon, Okay, always my pleasure. 2386 01:56:32.800 --> 01:56:33.399 Be well friends. 2387 01:56:33.439 --> 01:56:35.960 All Right, Matt Brown, I'm telling you it is the 2388 01:56:35.960 --> 01:56:38.800 best college football newsletter if you're trying to understand the 2389 01:56:38.880 --> 01:56:42.000 landscape and the business of what's happening. I read it 2390 01:56:42.039 --> 01:56:44.760 every time. He post one at Matt Brown EP is 2391 01:56:44.760 --> 01:56:47.680 where you find him. We got a little duet between 2392 01:56:47.760 --> 01:56:51.880 Pitbull and Cindy Lapper rolling in on a Tuesday afternoon. 2393 01:56:52.600 --> 01:56:54.520 What did you do to us today? What is this Dave? 2394 01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:58.159 That's all disco song? It's called Let's All Chant by 2395 01:56:58.279 --> 01:56:59.279 Michael Zagerband. 2396 01:56:59.479 --> 01:57:01.399 Is that one of the tracks you played when you 2397 01:57:01.399 --> 01:57:01.840 were at disco? 2398 01:57:01.920 --> 01:57:02.880 Dated when I was in. 2399 01:57:02.920 --> 01:57:05.680 The Wax back in the late seventies. That was a hit, 2400 01:57:06.319 --> 01:57:07.159 didn't I hit? 2401 01:57:07.399 --> 01:57:09.520 Was it DJ Dave? What was your DJ d It 2402 01:57:09.600 --> 01:57:10.119 was just a dave? 2403 01:57:10.359 --> 01:57:10.600 Yeah? 2404 01:57:10.680 --> 01:57:12.399 I worked at a couple of clubs locally. 2405 01:57:12.439 --> 01:57:15.279 The front page twenty first South Broadway over here? 2406 01:57:15.359 --> 01:57:16.159 Okay, Broadway? 2407 01:57:16.560 --> 01:57:16.800 Enough? 2408 01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:18.680 Is that? What where the movie theater is now? 2409 01:57:19.479 --> 01:57:19.720 No? 2410 01:57:19.720 --> 01:57:21.279 No, no, sorry, it's on main Street. 2411 01:57:21.760 --> 01:57:23.840 It was called the Broadway and it's in a down 2412 01:57:23.920 --> 01:57:26.399 it's now just an office downstairs. But we had a 2413 01:57:26.560 --> 01:57:28.600 night club, disco in there. What was the name of 2414 01:57:28.640 --> 01:57:30.840 the first club you said? The front page, twenty first 2415 01:57:30.880 --> 01:57:34.439 South ninth East. Okay, now, I think a Walgreene had 2416 01:57:34.479 --> 01:57:35.800 a big lit dance floor. 2417 01:57:35.840 --> 01:57:37.960 It was awesome. Was it really lit? Oh? 2418 01:57:38.039 --> 01:57:38.239 Yeah? 2419 01:57:38.520 --> 01:57:40.600 Was it lit like the kids say lit? Or was 2420 01:57:40.600 --> 01:57:41.560 there like literally light? 2421 01:57:41.680 --> 01:57:41.800 No? 2422 01:57:41.960 --> 01:57:45.159 It was literally light like Saturday night fever. Okay, that's 2423 01:57:45.199 --> 01:57:46.800 the same thing. I thought, you're trying to be happy. 2424 01:57:46.800 --> 01:57:48.159 No, it was. 2425 01:57:48.279 --> 01:57:51.520 It was a lit flooring and uh man, if that 2426 01:57:51.680 --> 01:57:53.520 DJ Booth could talk. 2427 01:57:53.600 --> 01:57:55.279 Okay, that's enough, let's move on. 2428 01:57:55.439 --> 01:57:58.399 Dave Fox Liven Studio two pelotons too, Ammys, Dave, how 2429 01:57:58.399 --> 01:57:58.720 are you? 2430 01:57:59.399 --> 01:58:00.000 I'm doing great? 2431 01:58:00.159 --> 01:58:00.479 How easy? 2432 01:58:00.520 --> 01:58:02.039 How was your President's Day weekend? It was good. 2433 01:58:02.119 --> 01:58:05.079 I was honoring the decorum, decency, and honesty of the 2434 01:58:05.119 --> 01:58:06.239 highest office in a lands. 2435 01:58:06.359 --> 01:58:08.640 That's what was supposed to be on President Day, right. Yeah, 2436 01:58:08.680 --> 01:58:09.880 I love that. I do the same thing. 2437 01:58:09.960 --> 01:58:11.680 I just I spent about an hour and I just 2438 01:58:11.800 --> 01:58:15.239 meditate or I'm all or how honored we are to 2439 01:58:15.720 --> 01:58:16.960 have what we have in this country. 2440 01:58:17.000 --> 01:58:20.359 You don't strike me as a meditator. Okay, maybe I 2441 01:58:20.359 --> 01:58:21.479 didn't meditate, that's. 2442 01:58:21.279 --> 01:58:21.720 What I thought. 2443 01:58:22.439 --> 01:58:24.640 But you definitely didn't work because the goat. I didn't. 2444 01:58:24.680 --> 01:58:26.880 The goat was on the show last night, Yes he was. 2445 01:58:26.960 --> 01:58:29.079 How was our guy, Mikaelic? He's doing great, Adams Sue. 2446 01:58:29.279 --> 01:58:33.359 We chatted briefly this morning and he's doing well. He's 2447 01:58:33.359 --> 01:58:34.039 doing really well. 2448 01:58:34.079 --> 01:58:37.039 How much have got NBA All Star weekend? Did you consume? 2449 01:58:37.279 --> 01:58:41.239 Oh my gosh, well, so, as you know, the Fox Household. 2450 01:58:41.239 --> 01:58:43.319 Every Sunday night, the entire family comes over. So there 2451 01:58:43.359 --> 01:58:46.960 was a big debate do we watch the Saturday Night Live, 2452 01:58:47.680 --> 01:58:50.720 which I just recorded and watched it later, or then 2453 01:58:50.720 --> 01:58:53.199 we had a handful that wanted to watch the NBA thing. 2454 01:58:53.319 --> 01:58:54.760 So what was I reading? 2455 01:58:54.760 --> 01:58:54.920 Though? 2456 01:58:54.960 --> 01:58:56.199 Maybe you could help me with this. 2457 01:58:56.319 --> 01:58:58.359 I want to say in the three hour broadcast, I 2458 01:58:58.399 --> 01:59:00.319 read somewhere that there was like a total of thirty 2459 01:59:00.319 --> 01:59:01.560 eight minutes of basketball. 2460 01:59:01.840 --> 01:59:04.239 I don't even think that, maybe not even that much. 2461 01:59:04.319 --> 01:59:08.079 Yeah, it was, in my view, awful, but a couple 2462 01:59:08.119 --> 01:59:10.920 of family members wanted to see it, and so they 2463 01:59:10.960 --> 01:59:13.680 sat through that, and it is what it. It's like 2464 01:59:14.279 --> 01:59:16.439 they keep trying to figure out ways to fix it. 2465 01:59:16.600 --> 01:59:18.199 Maybe it's just time to move on. 2466 01:59:18.760 --> 01:59:21.680 So okay, let me kind of kick the tires with 2467 01:59:21.720 --> 01:59:23.600 you as far as where you're at with the whole topic, 2468 01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:28.159 because ultimately, I definitely sound like the old dude that 2469 01:59:28.279 --> 01:59:31.479 misses the old All Star games, but you're certainly a 2470 01:59:31.479 --> 01:59:34.319 guy that's covered sports in the market. Ninety three was 2471 01:59:34.439 --> 01:59:36.600 really cool. We had the NBA All Star Game here. 2472 01:59:36.640 --> 01:59:38.760 It was a good game. John and Carl co MVPs 2473 01:59:39.760 --> 01:59:43.720 the game at MSG in two thousand, we saw a 2474 01:59:43.800 --> 01:59:46.199 young or I think nineteen ninety nine, we saw young 2475 01:59:46.279 --> 01:59:48.880 Kobe go up against his idle Michael Jordan, and that 2476 01:59:48.920 --> 01:59:52.319 game was competitive and it was fun. So where I'm 2477 01:59:52.359 --> 01:59:56.079 at with it is I continue to be frustrated with 2478 01:59:56.119 --> 01:59:58.680 the product, but only because I do remember when it 2479 01:59:58.800 --> 02:00:02.319 was awesome. And when it was awesome, it was top shelf. 2480 02:00:02.439 --> 02:00:04.640 It was the greatest pickup game in the world. It 2481 02:00:04.680 --> 02:00:07.880 was the best basketball players in the world who showed up. 2482 02:00:08.079 --> 02:00:10.680 They cared, they played hard, and they tried to beat 2483 02:00:10.680 --> 02:00:13.840 each other. And simply put, that should not be a 2484 02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:15.000 complicated formula. 2485 02:00:15.560 --> 02:00:18.680 But to your point, I'm kind of now resigned. 2486 02:00:18.319 --> 02:00:21.239 To the fact that these dudes don't give a rip 2487 02:00:21.359 --> 02:00:24.079 no matter where it's played, no matter what the format is, 2488 02:00:24.119 --> 02:00:24.920 they just don't care. 2489 02:00:24.960 --> 02:00:27.479 And if you don't care, guess what, we don't care. Yeah, 2490 02:00:27.600 --> 02:00:31.439 here's the problem. Today's athlete has been enabled. I mean 2491 02:00:31.479 --> 02:00:33.800 you could barely get them to care during the regular season, 2492 02:00:34.000 --> 02:00:36.680 much less in an All Star game. Think about, you know, 2493 02:00:36.800 --> 02:00:40.119 load management? What did I hear a comment the other 2494 02:00:40.159 --> 02:00:42.439 day from Michael Jordan just laughing at the idea of 2495 02:00:42.439 --> 02:00:43.439 load management? 2496 02:00:43.439 --> 02:00:44.439 How old is he? Retired? 2497 02:00:44.520 --> 02:00:47.560 Forty years old, and he played every single game with Washington. Granted, 2498 02:00:47.600 --> 02:00:50.880 as you know, skills have diminished, but these athletes are 2499 02:00:51.039 --> 02:00:55.199 enabled now and they rest for anything. Well, they're sure, 2500 02:00:55.279 --> 02:00:57.399 is he not going to go put their all into 2501 02:00:57.439 --> 02:00:59.560 an All Star Game? Back in the nineties, And you're 2502 02:00:59.640 --> 02:01:02.760 right now both being that guy in ninety three, every 2503 02:01:02.800 --> 02:01:04.880 game meant something, or at least to the athletes. They 2504 02:01:04.880 --> 02:01:08.600 played every game, and they play in even the All 2505 02:01:08.640 --> 02:01:11.800 Star Game. It's it's the whole thing is I just 2506 02:01:11.840 --> 02:01:14.920 don't see anyway fixing it short of paying every player 2507 02:01:14.960 --> 02:01:16.760 on the winning team a million dollars or something, and 2508 02:01:16.800 --> 02:01:18.880 even that, who knows because they make so much money. 2509 02:01:19.439 --> 02:01:22.359 It's it's really just bad. And then I don't mind 2510 02:01:22.399 --> 02:01:25.319 the round robin idea. It feels like they're just throwing 2511 02:01:25.359 --> 02:01:26.920 out stuff and see what sticks. 2512 02:01:27.239 --> 02:01:28.039 But the thought that. 2513 02:01:28.239 --> 02:01:30.319 You know, one of the teams is a bunch of 2514 02:01:30.359 --> 02:01:33.479 kids who really aren't All Stars was just kind of weird, Like, 2515 02:01:33.600 --> 02:01:38.039 does you know Zach Edie and Dalton connect and Keyantay 2516 02:01:38.079 --> 02:01:40.640 George deserve to be playing on All Star Sunday Night. 2517 02:01:40.720 --> 02:01:44.199 I don't know, it just seemed weird. It's just a mess. 2518 02:01:45.039 --> 02:01:46.119 I don't see any solution to it. 2519 02:01:46.159 --> 02:01:48.039 I like, what the NBA or excuse me, the NHL 2520 02:01:48.119 --> 02:01:50.479 is doing with that four nations thing. Yeah, yeah, that's 2521 02:01:50.479 --> 02:01:52.239 that's kind of cool. That's been really cool. 2522 02:01:52.279 --> 02:01:55.319 I don't know if the NBA has the answer to it, 2523 02:01:55.359 --> 02:01:59.479 and look, they have a theoretical answer to it, because 2524 02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:02.199 because I'll get people like, hey, what's your preferred format? 2525 02:02:02.880 --> 02:02:06.399 My preferred format is a basketball game played by the 2526 02:02:06.439 --> 02:02:08.680 best basketball players in the world who actually care. 2527 02:02:08.800 --> 02:02:12.119 That's my preferred format. But I do think. 2528 02:02:11.960 --> 02:02:13.680 There could be a little bit of juice with this 2529 02:02:13.760 --> 02:02:18.319 international versus domestic players, the international pool versus the NBA players. 2530 02:02:18.640 --> 02:02:21.479 It has been tried before, but this is different. 2531 02:02:21.560 --> 02:02:25.920 You can make an argument right now, shake Gilges, Alexander Nikola, Jokic, 2532 02:02:26.560 --> 02:02:31.720 Jannis Nbid when he's healthy, obviously Luca, like five or 2533 02:02:31.800 --> 02:02:34.279 six of the top seven or eight players in pro 2534 02:02:34.359 --> 02:02:39.039 basketball right now, or international players. So could they do 2535 02:02:39.079 --> 02:02:42.399 a Rocky four type thing where Rocky goes to Russia 2536 02:02:42.399 --> 02:02:45.079 and he's running through the snow and he's training to 2537 02:02:45.159 --> 02:02:49.479 fight Drago And I'm honestly thinking out loudier because I 2538 02:02:49.520 --> 02:02:52.920 think even if they did that, the domestic players would 2539 02:02:52.920 --> 02:02:54.600 go over to Europe or whatever, and they still would 2540 02:02:54.600 --> 02:02:55.159 mail it in. 2541 02:02:55.520 --> 02:02:57.279 Yeah, that's what I think. I do think there's anything 2542 02:02:57.319 --> 02:02:58.560 you can do to get these guys to care. 2543 02:02:58.880 --> 02:03:01.840 And even the international team, they're still NBA players. Same 2544 02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:04.119 look at Yokachi doesn't want to play. He didn't want 2545 02:03:04.119 --> 02:03:05.680 to be at the All Star Game, right, And then 2546 02:03:05.800 --> 02:03:08.000 here's this doesn't help either when you have, you know, 2547 02:03:08.439 --> 02:03:11.279 the face of the league, Lebron shows up the day 2548 02:03:11.319 --> 02:03:13.520 before and says I'm not playing. Not the day before, 2549 02:03:13.560 --> 02:03:16.399 a few hours before the game, You're right, a few hours. 2550 02:03:16.600 --> 02:03:20.399 I mean, it's just stunning. But again, it all gets 2551 02:03:20.399 --> 02:03:23.399 back to being enabled. It's it's their world. We're just 2552 02:03:23.520 --> 02:03:25.760 living in it. They'll play when they feel like it. 2553 02:03:25.760 --> 02:03:28.199 It's that way in the regular season. It's that way 2554 02:03:28.399 --> 02:03:30.880 certainly in the All Star Game. You know, it's interesting 2555 02:03:31.000 --> 02:03:36.199 because that the end season tournament is more competitive. I think, 2556 02:03:36.199 --> 02:03:38.039 wouldn't you agree with this than the All Star Game. 2557 02:03:38.039 --> 02:03:40.680 Now that's in the entire team and the wins and 2558 02:03:40.720 --> 02:03:44.319 losses actually count. But I don't even know how you 2559 02:03:44.319 --> 02:03:47.560 would replicate that. So, you know, I don't think there's 2560 02:03:47.560 --> 02:03:49.279 a solution other than just get rid of it. The 2561 02:03:49.399 --> 02:03:53.079 Lebron stuff. I think was a horrible look. Oh awful 2562 02:03:53.079 --> 02:03:54.279 for a few different reasons. 2563 02:03:54.560 --> 02:03:57.279 First of all, it's just a bad look when you 2564 02:03:57.359 --> 02:04:00.079 have not announced that you're not going to play, and 2565 02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:04.239 so the general public is watching intros and then suddenly 2566 02:04:04.479 --> 02:04:07.119 they say, okay from the Lakers Lebron James, and he's 2567 02:04:07.119 --> 02:04:09.159 in street clothes and you're like, dude, what are you doing. 2568 02:04:09.680 --> 02:04:13.520 But ultimately, if you're one of Lebron's peers, I do 2569 02:04:13.640 --> 02:04:16.840 not like that All Star games are in contracts, that 2570 02:04:17.000 --> 02:04:20.520 the stipulation of if you make an All Star team, then. 2571 02:04:20.439 --> 02:04:21.880 You're gonna yeah, what's the point. 2572 02:04:21.680 --> 02:04:23.680 You're going to trigger a mechanism of a bonus. I 2573 02:04:23.680 --> 02:04:25.880 don't like that they're in the contracts. But Dave, they're 2574 02:04:25.920 --> 02:04:26.760 in the contracts. 2575 02:04:26.760 --> 02:04:28.920 Okay. So what Lebron just did. 2576 02:04:28.800 --> 02:04:30.920 Is take two hundred and three hundred K out of 2577 02:04:30.960 --> 02:04:34.479 the pocket of somebody. Instead of saying, hey, I'm not playing, Okay, 2578 02:04:34.560 --> 02:04:37.119 we'll name your replacement and then this player can get paid, 2579 02:04:37.680 --> 02:04:41.600 Lebron selfishly took the spotlight for himself and just decided 2580 02:04:41.600 --> 02:04:42.399 to sandbag it. 2581 02:04:42.439 --> 02:04:45.000 I thought it was a really selfish, bad look for me. 2582 02:04:45.000 --> 02:04:48.239 Maybe that's getting back to the contract idea is just 2583 02:04:48.279 --> 02:04:50.439 to word it that you get this bonus if you 2584 02:04:50.560 --> 02:04:53.239 play in the All Star Game, not if you're named 2585 02:04:53.680 --> 02:04:56.079 an NBA All Star. That might and but again that 2586 02:04:56.119 --> 02:04:58.039 doesn't solve the All Star I'm just talking about your 2587 02:04:58.119 --> 02:05:00.920 You mentioned the contract thing that might that might fix that. 2588 02:05:01.640 --> 02:05:03.800 My point is if Lebron said I'm not playing and 2589 02:05:03.840 --> 02:05:06.640 they name his replacement, the replacement player gets his check. 2590 02:05:06.840 --> 02:05:09.479 That's what I'm saying. That's that's the way that contract 2591 02:05:09.479 --> 02:05:13.279 should be worded. But that's again that's not gonna happen 2592 02:05:13.319 --> 02:05:16.560 because it's it's their world, their money. 2593 02:05:17.079 --> 02:05:19.199 I do just pay him. I do think we saw 2594 02:05:19.279 --> 02:05:21.199 some fun Keyante moments. 2595 02:05:21.960 --> 02:05:23.800 I don't know if there's anything that, Like I asked 2596 02:05:23.800 --> 02:05:26.039 Tim McMahon earlier, like, is there anything he can take 2597 02:05:26.039 --> 02:05:29.560 from the experience, And Tim didn't really think so. I mean, 2598 02:05:30.199 --> 02:05:33.680 just to just to know that you were named in 2599 02:05:33.760 --> 02:05:36.920 a group that has the best young players in pro 2600 02:05:37.000 --> 02:05:39.479 basketball and you advanced to play on Sunday against the 2601 02:05:39.479 --> 02:05:42.079 best players in the world. I don't know if I'm 2602 02:05:42.079 --> 02:05:43.880 stretching to kind of make this a topic, but I'm 2603 02:05:43.880 --> 02:05:47.399 sure Keyante came home from that experience with a little 2604 02:05:47.479 --> 02:05:49.279 peppinist step I would imagine. 2605 02:05:49.000 --> 02:05:50.720 Yeah, and he had a nice first game. I believe 2606 02:05:50.760 --> 02:05:52.600 first game he had ten and the three in each 2607 02:05:52.640 --> 02:05:55.680 of the next two. I think when you're there in 2608 02:05:55.720 --> 02:05:57.560 the moment, and you know this because you were referring 2609 02:05:57.560 --> 02:05:59.119 to ninety three and then the one we had here 2610 02:05:59.159 --> 02:06:01.600 just a couple of years ago, there is something cool 2611 02:06:01.600 --> 02:06:04.520 about being in the moment there, especially for the younger players. 2612 02:06:04.560 --> 02:06:07.840 Obviously the older players they're done with it, you know, 2613 02:06:07.880 --> 02:06:10.359 they're just they know what it is. So I'm sure 2614 02:06:10.680 --> 02:06:12.560 just that, and like you said, the idea of just 2615 02:06:12.560 --> 02:06:15.039 being named and being there all weekend, that's that's a 2616 02:06:15.159 --> 02:06:17.720 really a cool thing. So and he really looked like 2617 02:06:17.760 --> 02:06:19.880 he was having some fun, especially in that Friday game 2618 02:06:20.760 --> 02:06:21.000 and he. 2619 02:06:21.039 --> 02:06:23.439 Hit the game winner. You know, that allowed them to advance. 2620 02:06:23.520 --> 02:06:27.119 So look, we're a market that's used to seeing our 2621 02:06:27.159 --> 02:06:30.800 players play in the game and also participate. We have 2622 02:06:30.920 --> 02:06:34.760 Dunk Contest champions with Donovan and Griff I think Jeff 2623 02:06:34.800 --> 02:06:37.399 won the three point Contest one year we've had all 2624 02:06:37.439 --> 02:06:39.520 Stars and to only see one rep. 2625 02:06:39.680 --> 02:06:43.159 Don't forget Jeremy in the dunk content. Jeremy Evans. 2626 02:06:44.399 --> 02:06:47.520 I'm just I'm shaking my head because every year we 2627 02:06:47.880 --> 02:06:50.920 hear this thing, like, hey, Jeremy Evans, he was able 2628 02:06:50.920 --> 02:06:53.279 to get two more inches on his vert I'm like, 2629 02:06:53.359 --> 02:06:56.039 did is he shooting free throws? Did he learn how 2630 02:06:56.039 --> 02:06:56.920 to dribble and pass? 2631 02:06:57.039 --> 02:06:57.119 Like? 2632 02:06:57.199 --> 02:06:59.479 Thanks for the vert update on Jeremy, but he's getting 2633 02:06:59.520 --> 02:07:00.000 jumpers up. 2634 02:07:01.720 --> 02:07:02.880 But but yeah, it was just. 2635 02:07:02.920 --> 02:07:05.680 Kind of odd, you know, for the second straight year 2636 02:07:05.720 --> 02:07:08.239 to have a very minimal representation for our local. 2637 02:07:08.039 --> 02:07:10.479 Team and the dunk contest winner isn't even in the NBA. 2638 02:07:11.199 --> 02:07:13.840 He's a good dunker though, least Mac is fun. 2639 02:07:13.920 --> 02:07:16.079 Yeah, but put him in dunk well. 2640 02:07:16.520 --> 02:07:19.880 Look, everyone Jordan competed or guys Larry Nance Well, and 2641 02:07:20.119 --> 02:07:20.479 here's the. 2642 02:07:20.479 --> 02:07:24.159 Other issue, Dave, Like, in my opinion, if you're gonna 2643 02:07:24.159 --> 02:07:25.960 grab Mac McClung, who's it good. 2644 02:07:26.119 --> 02:07:28.000 He's a G League MVP. I mean, it's not like 2645 02:07:28.039 --> 02:07:28.880 he's a bad player. 2646 02:07:29.760 --> 02:07:32.760 You can go on YouTube and watch highlights of professional 2647 02:07:32.840 --> 02:07:35.880 dunkers that are wild and NBA players have never touched. 2648 02:07:36.000 --> 02:07:38.079 So if you're gonna let Mac dunk, go, get all 2649 02:07:38.079 --> 02:07:40.279 these pro dunkers and let's have a little fun, why not? 2650 02:07:41.800 --> 02:07:44.159 Because your point about so it wasn't as Jordan, like 2651 02:07:44.239 --> 02:07:46.720 Kobe participated, he wanted to dunk contest. 2652 02:07:46.800 --> 02:07:49.680 Vince Carter was an awesome player, and they were great dunkers. 2653 02:07:49.680 --> 02:07:50.560 There were great dunkers. 2654 02:07:50.600 --> 02:07:53.399 I could keep going, Aaron Gordon, Zach Levine like, but 2655 02:07:53.640 --> 02:07:57.640 Muggsy Bogues, I mean, how incredible was that Bogues, Dominique Wilkins, 2656 02:07:57.840 --> 02:08:01.319 all fifty like all NBA seventy fifth anniversary team. And 2657 02:08:01.359 --> 02:08:04.079 now these dudes are so scared to look dumb, and 2658 02:08:04.159 --> 02:08:07.520 I think that starts with Lebron But like Zion Williamson, 2659 02:08:07.600 --> 02:08:09.960 Jah Moran, and I can keep going. There are really 2660 02:08:09.960 --> 02:08:13.159 good players that are really good dunkers, but they don't 2661 02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:14.119 want to be embarrassed. 2662 02:08:14.600 --> 02:08:17.800 It's like this weird, soft dumb approach. They're like Prima Donna's. 2663 02:08:17.800 --> 02:08:20.199 But it all gets back to the whole weekend, and 2664 02:08:20.359 --> 02:08:22.439 at the end of the day, I think, yeah, I 2665 02:08:22.439 --> 02:08:24.840 think you made the best point of all. I'm guessing 2666 02:08:24.880 --> 02:08:26.720 there are a number of those guys that are excited 2667 02:08:26.720 --> 02:08:28.279 to be a part of it only because they have 2668 02:08:28.399 --> 02:08:29.880 some big bonus coming to them. 2669 02:08:29.880 --> 02:08:32.119 Other than that they could do without. 2670 02:08:31.920 --> 02:08:34.760 It well, and the money is so big now doesn't 2671 02:08:34.760 --> 02:08:36.399 even motivate them and try hard. 2672 02:08:36.600 --> 02:08:37.399 That's very true. 2673 02:08:37.680 --> 02:08:39.079 That's why I don't think you could pay them spence 2674 02:08:39.119 --> 02:08:41.319 because how much could you pay them? They would make 2675 02:08:41.359 --> 02:08:44.319 what they are already making worth it, No. 2676 02:08:44.479 --> 02:08:45.479 Like one hundred million. 2677 02:08:46.279 --> 02:08:48.520 If you play hard, like you know, the money is 2678 02:08:48.560 --> 02:08:51.760 already astronomical crazy. And I'm for the players getting their 2679 02:08:51.800 --> 02:08:54.279 fair share of the pie. But if you're going to 2680 02:08:54.319 --> 02:08:56.239 show up and mail it in because you know your 2681 02:08:56.279 --> 02:08:59.319 check is coming anyway, then we're watching a product that's 2682 02:08:59.319 --> 02:09:01.880 being run like a fortune five hundred business and not 2683 02:09:01.960 --> 02:09:03.039 an entertainment product. 2684 02:09:03.079 --> 02:09:04.479 And I do think that's an issue. 2685 02:09:04.560 --> 02:09:06.640 Yeah, and you refer to some of the you know, 2686 02:09:06.680 --> 02:09:08.159 I had another game pop into my head. There was 2687 02:09:08.199 --> 02:09:10.039 an All star game was in Phoenix. I don't remember 2688 02:09:10.079 --> 02:09:14.760 the year. Carl Malone, I want to say, game winning shot, 2689 02:09:15.039 --> 02:09:17.319 not for his team, and he jumps up and I 2690 02:09:17.359 --> 02:09:21.880 think he accidentally tips it away. And then afterwards one 2691 02:09:21.880 --> 02:09:24.399 of the guys that's doing the play the being interviewed says, 2692 02:09:24.399 --> 02:09:26.119 I think I think Carl was point shaven. 2693 02:09:26.680 --> 02:09:28.920 Oh really, I do not recall this. It was a 2694 02:09:28.920 --> 02:09:29.760 game in Phoenix. 2695 02:09:29.880 --> 02:09:33.000 They were kidding around, but they the point is it 2696 02:09:33.039 --> 02:09:34.720 went down to the last second. 2697 02:09:34.760 --> 02:09:36.319 Yeah, and they fought to the bitterer. 2698 02:09:36.680 --> 02:09:39.159 You know what, the game in Utah ninety three that 2699 02:09:39.199 --> 02:09:43.600 went to overtime, I believe, yeah, I know it was. 2700 02:09:43.880 --> 02:09:46.920 And that's just that just shows you how far we 2701 02:09:46.960 --> 02:09:49.920 have drifted away from the competitive nature of that game. 2702 02:09:49.960 --> 02:09:53.279 And look, the NFL finally realized that that game stinks 2703 02:09:53.319 --> 02:09:55.600 and what they're doing instead isn't much better. 2704 02:09:56.239 --> 02:09:58.840 But I just I don't see a solution to these things. 2705 02:09:58.880 --> 02:10:02.239 Baseball, you know, you show up, you get one at bat, 2706 02:10:02.760 --> 02:10:04.960 but the main you know, so I was, you know, 2707 02:10:05.279 --> 02:10:07.640 I don't do a lot of combative radio, right. 2708 02:10:07.840 --> 02:10:10.439 But when somebody says, well, what about the Pro Bowl? 2709 02:10:10.600 --> 02:10:13.600 What about the Major League Baseball All Star Game? The 2710 02:10:13.640 --> 02:10:16.640 Pro Bowl was never good, No, and the NBA All 2711 02:10:16.680 --> 02:10:19.680 Star Game was good once upon a time. That's the difference. 2712 02:10:19.720 --> 02:10:22.479 Like the Pro Bowl has always been horrible, the NBA 2713 02:10:22.560 --> 02:10:25.079 All Star Game for thirty forty years was awesome, and 2714 02:10:25.159 --> 02:10:27.479 now that it's not, I don't know. I think maybe 2715 02:10:27.479 --> 02:10:30.199 I just need to move into the area of acceptance 2716 02:10:30.279 --> 02:10:32.239 that this is not something that's going to be fun 2717 02:10:32.279 --> 02:10:33.680 ever again, the way that it used to be. 2718 02:10:33.840 --> 02:10:35.840 The whole weekend's fun for fans to show up when 2719 02:10:35.840 --> 02:10:36.680 it was here. It was cool. 2720 02:10:36.960 --> 02:10:39.800 Go see all the great displays and that at the Salpeals. 2721 02:10:39.840 --> 02:10:42.159 But it's the game's just it's brutal. 2722 02:10:42.600 --> 02:10:45.079 All right, We'll end with the little college football before 2723 02:10:45.079 --> 02:10:48.520 we get there. Twenty eight games left for the Utah Jazz. 2724 02:10:48.600 --> 02:10:52.960 The playoff pushes on. It's very much not so oh. 2725 02:10:52.960 --> 02:10:54.800 There's a playoff push, but it's a playoff for the 2726 02:10:54.880 --> 02:10:56.439 lot It's a lottery push. 2727 02:10:56.800 --> 02:10:59.239 What do you look? What's exciting about the final twenty 2728 02:10:59.279 --> 02:10:59.640 eight for you? 2729 02:10:59.720 --> 02:11:02.079 Okay, Spence, Here's what I think, And maybe I'm going 2730 02:11:02.159 --> 02:11:04.760 to be wrong, but this seems to me like this 2731 02:11:04.840 --> 02:11:07.479 is the time where you're going to start to see 2732 02:11:07.880 --> 02:11:10.199 players sitting more. They did the same thing last year 2733 02:11:10.199 --> 02:11:12.800 if you remember. And then guys that are never going 2734 02:11:12.880 --> 02:11:14.720 to be in the league, like Kenny Lofton became an 2735 02:11:14.760 --> 02:11:17.079 All Star right overnight because he played so well in 2736 02:11:17.119 --> 02:11:18.560 the last ten games of the year. I don't know 2737 02:11:18.560 --> 02:11:20.920 when this is going to kick in, but I just sense, 2738 02:11:21.520 --> 02:11:25.239 if you're this close to you know where you want 2739 02:11:25.239 --> 02:11:27.560 to be in that lottery, do you really blow it? 2740 02:11:27.600 --> 02:11:27.800 Now? 2741 02:11:27.880 --> 02:11:29.439 You Now you've harped on this for the last two 2742 02:11:29.479 --> 02:11:29.960 or three years. 2743 02:11:29.960 --> 02:11:32.359 The problem is the Jazz front loaded their wins and 2744 02:11:32.399 --> 02:11:34.640 by the time this time of year rolled around, it 2745 02:11:34.720 --> 02:11:37.680 was too late to seriously get into tanking. And what 2746 02:11:37.680 --> 02:11:39.960 do they end up with a tenth you know, number 2747 02:11:40.000 --> 02:11:41.119 ten pick something like that. 2748 02:11:41.279 --> 02:11:43.439 The draft kid can't play exactly. 2749 02:11:43.479 --> 02:11:46.039 You are this close to getting a top three or 2750 02:11:46.079 --> 02:11:49.119 top four, and there's three or four really good players 2751 02:11:49.119 --> 02:11:51.640 out there. We all know Cooper Flags the Grand Price. 2752 02:11:52.239 --> 02:11:56.600 I just don't think you run the risk of not finishing. 2753 02:11:56.640 --> 02:11:59.039 And when I say not finishing, I mean, you know, 2754 02:11:59.640 --> 02:12:01.880 sitting down some of these players. Look at this next 2755 02:12:01.920 --> 02:12:04.079 six game homestand there's two games that I think are 2756 02:12:04.119 --> 02:12:08.920 almost impossible for the Jazz to lose, Pelicans and maybe Trailblazers. 2757 02:12:09.279 --> 02:12:11.520 So the only way they've either got to resign themselves 2758 02:12:11.560 --> 02:12:13.560 the fact that they're going to win those two and 2759 02:12:13.600 --> 02:12:16.159 go ahead and surrender, okay, see in Houston and Minnesota 2760 02:12:16.199 --> 02:12:18.760 and maybe the Kings, or they're gonna have to sit them. 2761 02:12:18.880 --> 02:12:20.159 They're a ton of players. 2762 02:12:20.760 --> 02:12:23.760 So my I'm of the thought that over that last 2763 02:12:23.760 --> 02:12:26.479 twenty eight that you just mentioned, at some point you're 2764 02:12:26.520 --> 02:12:28.640 going to start to see guys like you know, Mark 2765 02:12:28.680 --> 02:12:32.680 and and Section still hurt. But Clarkson whoever John Collins 2766 02:12:33.399 --> 02:12:34.840 start to sit out. I don't know if they rest 2767 02:12:34.880 --> 02:12:38.039 the younger guys because they really need even more time, 2768 02:12:39.439 --> 02:12:41.720 you know, like call your in that. But that's what 2769 02:12:41.760 --> 02:12:43.399 I think is gonna happen. Maybe I'll be wrong, but 2770 02:12:43.439 --> 02:12:45.560 that's that's that's what I would do. Yeah, and it's 2771 02:12:45.600 --> 02:12:47.760 up to management spence, because players aren't trying to lose. 2772 02:12:47.880 --> 02:12:49.560 No, I think in a way they've been doing that. 2773 02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:52.079 But to the point, like you've got to I think 2774 02:12:52.079 --> 02:12:53.479 you got to step it up. You've got to run 2775 02:12:53.520 --> 02:12:55.680 through the tape. Yeah, you've got to finish what you started. 2776 02:12:55.760 --> 02:12:59.439 There may be a point where you hear the shutdownward. Yeah, 2777 02:12:59.479 --> 02:13:01.399 I mean, at this point, why are you playing anyone? 2778 02:13:01.560 --> 02:13:03.720 I guess when you know what the deal is it Look, 2779 02:13:04.079 --> 02:13:07.039 I keep using this line what the Jazz are doing 2780 02:13:07.319 --> 02:13:08.359 is the right thing to do. 2781 02:13:08.560 --> 02:13:11.079 But it sucks. It just does if you're if you're 2782 02:13:11.079 --> 02:13:11.800 a fan, it's tough. 2783 02:13:11.840 --> 02:13:14.279 I mean, I think a lot of jazz fans simply 2784 02:13:14.399 --> 02:13:16.479 want to go to a jazz game, eat a hot dog, 2785 02:13:16.560 --> 02:13:18.079 and drink a beer with their friends and go home. 2786 02:13:18.399 --> 02:13:20.399 You know, like they're fine with the deal because it's 2787 02:13:20.439 --> 02:13:23.319 winter here. It's cold, and people just want to kind 2788 02:13:23.359 --> 02:13:24.960 of go watch a game. Maybe they don't give a 2789 02:13:25.039 --> 02:13:28.039 rip about exactly how competitive the team is, but the 2790 02:13:28.119 --> 02:13:30.960 diehard Jazz fans really badly want to see a competitive 2791 02:13:30.960 --> 02:13:33.640 team have to really have had a frustrating year. 2792 02:13:33.479 --> 02:13:35.239 And I really only think this is they only need 2793 02:13:35.279 --> 02:13:37.119 to do it. I know we've talked about another year 2794 02:13:37.119 --> 02:13:40.119 of tanking. I think this is it. You do it now, 2795 02:13:40.359 --> 02:13:42.640 get in that top three, maybe even number one, and 2796 02:13:42.640 --> 02:13:43.600 then you're off and running. 2797 02:13:43.640 --> 02:13:45.760 That's my opinion. Have you seen aj debounce a play? 2798 02:13:45.960 --> 02:13:49.000 Yes, I know, I know, but I don't think you 2799 02:13:49.039 --> 02:13:51.920 can survive another year of this. These these kids are 2800 02:13:51.960 --> 02:13:54.319 anxious to get going. It'd be a guarante don't. 2801 02:13:54.439 --> 02:13:56.520 If it was a guarantee that you get Cooper flag 2802 02:13:56.560 --> 02:13:58.159 this year and aj Debounca next year. 2803 02:13:58.159 --> 02:13:59.960 I think you do it if you could guarantee it. 2804 02:14:00.039 --> 02:14:02.359 But you know you can't. You cannot, all right, Dave, 2805 02:14:02.399 --> 02:14:03.439 Before I set you loose. 2806 02:14:04.039 --> 02:14:06.680 Since you and I last spoke after twenty years on 2807 02:14:06.720 --> 02:14:10.520 the job, Tom Homo is a very nice vacation. He 2808 02:14:10.560 --> 02:14:14.399 did a hell of a job in a spot where 2809 02:14:14.439 --> 02:14:18.560 just that job. The athletic director for BYU has to 2810 02:14:18.560 --> 02:14:22.239 be among the hardest jobs in college athletics administration. You 2811 02:14:22.239 --> 02:14:24.640 have to align yourself with the message of the institution 2812 02:14:24.800 --> 02:14:28.159 while running a department that is probably least aligned with 2813 02:14:28.239 --> 02:14:32.399 the institution because of the diversity involved. And ultimately, I 2814 02:14:32.399 --> 02:14:35.680 think Tom traverse the space in a very very respectable manner. 2815 02:14:35.680 --> 02:14:37.920 Give me your thoughts for a set. You absolutely great guy, 2816 02:14:38.039 --> 02:14:40.800 hard workers, you said. I don't think people really understand 2817 02:14:40.880 --> 02:14:44.199 how difficult it was to navigate the era of independence. 2818 02:14:44.319 --> 02:14:46.720 I know he had two or three assistants who were 2819 02:14:46.760 --> 02:14:48.800 strictly in charge of helping with scheduling. 2820 02:14:49.239 --> 02:14:50.720 When you're in a league, you know this. What are 2821 02:14:50.760 --> 02:14:51.119 you looking for? 2822 02:14:51.119 --> 02:14:53.159 You're looking for two or three non league games, not 2823 02:14:53.239 --> 02:14:55.439 when you're in an independence And he did a masterful 2824 02:14:55.520 --> 02:14:58.399 job of that great person. I've known him well for many, 2825 02:14:58.439 --> 02:15:01.279 many years, and I'm happy for or you know, whatever 2826 02:15:01.399 --> 02:15:04.199 led to this and whatever's next for him and his 2827 02:15:04.239 --> 02:15:05.159 wife and their family. 2828 02:15:05.199 --> 02:15:05.880 I think it's great. 2829 02:15:05.880 --> 02:15:08.119 Did you attend the press conference for the station or 2830 02:15:08.920 --> 02:15:11.439 we sent the goat? Oh why didn't you go? 2831 02:15:11.800 --> 02:15:14.520 It was too early? All right, I had to work 2832 02:15:14.600 --> 02:15:16.640 late that TV gold tonight. What have we got? 2833 02:15:16.880 --> 02:15:18.960 Well, it is solid gold. Because you know what we've 2834 02:15:18.960 --> 02:15:19.399 got tonight. 2835 02:15:19.399 --> 02:15:22.159 We've got talking Jazz with the one and only Spence 2836 02:15:22.319 --> 02:15:24.560 check its who will join us? And you're gonna hear 2837 02:15:24.640 --> 02:15:26.439 I'll play a little snippet if you give me something 2838 02:15:26.439 --> 02:15:28.159 good on two News at ten. Oh wow, I'll do 2839 02:15:28.199 --> 02:15:31.279 my best. Then, well, I thought it's at ten thirty five. 2840 02:15:31.439 --> 02:15:33.560 Other than that, the actual show is at ten thirty 2841 02:15:33.560 --> 02:15:36.399 five on KMYU Television and we stream it as well. 2842 02:15:36.800 --> 02:15:39.319 Dave, great to see my friend. We'll see a few hours. Okay, 2843 02:15:39.359 --> 02:15:39.800 thanks man. 2844 02:15:39.840 --> 02:15:43.399 Two pelotons too, Emmys. Dave Fox wrapping up the show 2845 02:15:43.479 --> 02:15:45.720 for a Tuesday. 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I still can't get behind this whole pro 2867 02:16:43.399 --> 02:16:45.040 golfers hitting on this simulator thing. 2868 02:16:45.120 --> 02:16:45.399 Dude. 2869 02:16:45.680 --> 02:16:48.639 It's wild to me. And you know what, the ratings 2870 02:16:48.680 --> 02:16:52.079 are actually pretty good. COVID did a lot of things 2871 02:16:52.239 --> 02:16:54.399 in a lot of different directions, but it is wild 2872 02:16:54.440 --> 02:16:55.559 what it did to the game of golf. 2873 02:16:55.760 --> 02:16:59.280 It's It's definitely been something that I've struggled to even 2874 02:17:00.760 --> 02:17:03.360 remotely have an interest in. And I am someone who, 2875 02:17:04.239 --> 02:17:06.760 regardless of the tournament, if Tiger woulds is swinging a 2876 02:17:06.799 --> 02:17:09.760 club on a golf course. I am not only watching Spence. 2877 02:17:09.840 --> 02:17:14.040 I'm up on Thursday morning watching right and this is 2878 02:17:14.120 --> 02:17:17.040 his thing and I can't get into it, and a 2879 02:17:17.079 --> 02:17:18.680 lot of it, and I think most of it has 2880 02:17:18.719 --> 02:17:19.000 to do. 2881 02:17:18.959 --> 02:17:22.159 With the simulator thing I was watching. 2882 02:17:23.440 --> 02:17:26.959 I think the first night they had it, Tiger hit 2883 02:17:27.000 --> 02:17:29.159 a shot on the simulator and it was it was 2884 02:17:29.319 --> 02:17:31.079 right down the middle. It looked like a good swing, 2885 02:17:31.520 --> 02:17:33.719 and everyone of the building was like, what happened because 2886 02:17:33.760 --> 02:17:36.200 the shot went clear off. It was a glitch in 2887 02:17:36.239 --> 02:17:36.719 the game. 2888 02:17:36.639 --> 02:17:37.280 Is what it was. 2889 02:17:37.600 --> 02:17:40.040 But it affected the score and they just kind of 2890 02:17:40.040 --> 02:17:42.719 acted like it didn't happen. There are people betting on 2891 02:17:42.760 --> 02:17:45.799 these things. There is there is an element to sports 2892 02:17:45.920 --> 02:17:50.840 that I cannot get past once it turns over to 2893 02:17:51.000 --> 02:17:56.680 like sot machine, video game, computer involvement, all of the above. 2894 02:17:57.520 --> 02:17:59.159 And it's the reason I never could get into like 2895 02:17:59.200 --> 02:18:04.920 streaming video game stuff. Clearly it's for some people, not me. 2896 02:18:05.399 --> 02:18:07.639 Tiger Wood's out of the sand. Oh he blew it. 2897 02:18:08.879 --> 02:18:11.559 That's weird to see Tiger blow like that. So yeah, 2898 02:18:11.319 --> 02:18:14.639 pro golfers on a simulator, if you're into that. The 2899 02:18:14.719 --> 02:18:16.760 NBA is back on Wednesday. We got a little college 2900 02:18:16.799 --> 02:18:20.719 hoops tonight with BYU taking on Kansas of course as 2901 02:18:20.719 --> 02:18:23.200 a reference, Utah Women taking on Okay State. I'll be 2902 02:18:23.280 --> 02:18:25.760 on TV tonight with Dave Fox ten thirty five. We 2903 02:18:25.879 --> 02:18:28.639 call it talking Jazz. All right, Porter, let's get out 2904 02:18:28.680 --> 02:18:30.680 of here. What comes our way? On a Wednesday edition 2905 02:18:30.840 --> 02:18:31.639 of the program. 2906 02:18:31.680 --> 02:18:35.360 On a Wednesday edition of The Drive, the NBA Daily 2907 02:18:35.399 --> 02:18:38.600 Assist with Zach Harper comes your way, as we do 2908 02:18:38.920 --> 02:18:41.920 each and every week with our guy Neil Smith stops 2909 02:18:42.000 --> 02:18:45.440 by for behind the Glass, the latest in the NHL UHC, 2910 02:18:45.600 --> 02:18:48.440 and of course the Four Nations face off. 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