1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: The disclaimer to the fair season Karen's out there, Oh 2 00:00:03,359 --> 00:00:05,719 dare you? All guests on the show do not reflect 3 00:00:05,719 --> 00:00:06,440 the opinions. 4 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: Of the host. 5 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,519 Speaker 1: The purpose of the show is to have interesting conversations, 6 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,320 stretch our minds, and grow, not what we want. If 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,960 you are looking for an echo chamber, viewer and listener discretion, 8 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:18,160 these are rosed. 9 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 3: You talk about extreme. 10 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:34,719 Speaker 2: What is happening and what is up? Hold out your 11 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:36,719 glass because we're about to feel it. 12 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 3: Up torches high, you know, look at it from a 13 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:52,640 different perspective, different perspective, different oct What is going on? 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: All my local guys and gals and long distance pals. 15 00:00:57,719 --> 00:01:01,039 Speaker 4: We're back, Yes, we are. 16 00:01:01,679 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 5: It's good to see you, fellas excited to you know, 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,959 be back in the fold, you know, starting kind of 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,480 kicking off our fourth season. Our first guests of the 19 00:01:10,519 --> 00:01:13,879 fourth season are with us today. It's pretty crazy. It's 20 00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:16,560 been for you four seasons of this. I should I 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,719 should say, but I'm excited to talk about what we're 22 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:20,760 going to talk about tonight. 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,719 Speaker 4: But well, you think you want to get start, you want. 24 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: To pray, Yeah, let's just get into it. 25 00:01:27,519 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 4: Let's do it. Go ahead, justin. 26 00:01:31,799 --> 00:01:34,439 Speaker 2: Dear kind, gracious Heavenly Father, thank you today. Thank you 27 00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:36,560 for the mean blessed that you've given us. Thank You 28 00:01:36,599 --> 00:01:41,239 for this time together for fellowship and just unwind and 29 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,920 also to dig through your word and your your treasures. 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,319 And we're just thankful for these brilliant men that have 31 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,680 joined us today and blessed us with their time and 32 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,040 their presence to talk about some of the gold nuggets 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,840 that you revealed to them. And we're just really appreciative 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,000 for your revelations for these men and them given their 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,840 time to us today. And we just pray that those 36 00:02:05,879 --> 00:02:09,319 that need to hear this for some validation or to 37 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,280 sharpen their swords, to defend their faith, or just scratch 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,080 that knowledge each they got whither. We pray those people 39 00:02:15,319 --> 00:02:19,759 hear this message today and our words beautifying, and we're 40 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,680 just thankful for the blood of Jesus Christ. And Amen, Amen. 41 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 5: Amen, Well, today we are blessed with Like I said, 42 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:35,039 the Maverick archaeologist with us, doctor Aaron Judkins, bring a 43 00:02:35,039 --> 00:02:37,520 lot of knowledge to this space and give us a 44 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,759 lot of insight into many different things that we've had 45 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,560 the mind before in the past. And the knowledge there 46 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:51,120 is pretty amazing. But they've just written a book together 47 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,520 on go Beckley Tape and doctor Judkins, why don't you 48 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:58,360 jump in and tell us just a little bit about 49 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,479 your book and what motivated you guys to write that, 50 00:03:02,599 --> 00:03:04,800 and then we'll dive we'll dive in a little further, 51 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:05,520 a little deeper. 52 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well, you know this book is about a 53 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:18,080 site in southeastern Turkey called go Beckley Tepe. And about 54 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:23,639 five six years ago Jud and I really started looking 55 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,960 at this pretty hard. And I asked Jud, I said, hey, 56 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,680 you know, would you be interested in co writing the 57 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,599 book with me on this? But? Uh, you know, I said, 58 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,039 I had said no several times. I had a guy 59 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,319 that had asked me several times. His name's Roger, lives 60 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,840 up in Canada, has followed my work for years, and 61 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:46,000 he said, doctor Judkins, you got to look you know, 62 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:48,319 have you looked at go back Lay Tape. I said, 63 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,120 I know about it. I referenced it my in one 64 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,319 of my early books called Alien Agenda The Return of 65 00:03:55,319 --> 00:04:00,400 the Nepheline back in twenty twelve. So I had heard 66 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:03,719 about it, but I hadn't really considered it. And so 67 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:07,639 I started taking another look at it. And what I 68 00:04:07,719 --> 00:04:11,400 had thought was an idea of what I thought it 69 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,479 was was not. I was totally wrong about what I 70 00:04:15,479 --> 00:04:18,879 thought it was because I hadn't studied it. I just 71 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,879 thought maybe it was related to, you know, a ceremonial 72 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,519 site related to Noah's Ark, because it was in the region, 73 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:28,680 hundreds of miles away, but still within the region, and 74 00:04:29,319 --> 00:04:33,560 so you know, had animals, you know, carved into the stones, 75 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,279 and so I just said, well, it's just an ancient site, 76 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,600 probably dedicated to the to the memorial of the flood 77 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:43,639 and Noah's Ark and all this. So I didn't really 78 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:47,240 put a lot of time and our effort into it initially. 79 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:50,800 And then when I started to take another look at it, 80 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,199 I quickly realized that all my preconceptions about the site 81 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,120 had been had been wrong. And so I started digging 82 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,800 in further to to try to understand what this what 83 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,560 this site was, and unfortunately, there was no one single 84 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,199 source where you could just pull all this information together, 85 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:17,480 and so, man, it took me on a journey of 86 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,839 trying to dig and find this little nuggets here and 87 00:05:20,879 --> 00:05:26,240 there and piece those together, and you know, hunting down 88 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,519 sources and reading books and articles and journals and anything 89 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:35,199 I could to try to understand what was happening at 90 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:38,399 the side, and it just it was a big puzzle. 91 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,720 And so this is this is how the journey really 92 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:43,439 started for me. 93 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 4: That's pretty awesome. 94 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 5: Now I want to ask one question, and I'm gonna 95 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,360 be honest, in one hundred percent transparent. I'm stealing this 96 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:55,920 from your last interview because I think it's so important. 97 00:05:57,199 --> 00:06:01,560 I actually listened to your interview with at Gilbert and 98 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:04,920 absolutely love Derek, you know, obviously friend of the show 99 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,800 and just an amazing individual. But when we talk about 100 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,319 these things, and I mean, you can look at this 101 00:06:10,399 --> 00:06:12,480 in a broad spectrum. We're talking about go back to 102 00:06:12,519 --> 00:06:16,519 the tap ay to night. You could talk about so 103 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:19,360 many other historical sites. You could talk about Petra, you 104 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,360 could talk about a lot of these other amazing places 105 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:22,720 you've been. 106 00:06:22,759 --> 00:06:26,639 Speaker 4: You know, error at. 107 00:06:26,439 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 5: Why I guess I guess the best the best way 108 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,639 to say this, And Derek kind of put it this way. 109 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,240 He goes explain to us and to our listeners, because 110 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,199 this is so important. Why looking into this stuff is 111 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:45,680 so important for a Bible believing Christian. You know, so 112 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,759 many people want to say, hey, you know, it's it's 113 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,879 it's my faith, it's only this, It's only that. Why 114 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:52,160 are we looking into these other things? Why does that 115 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:53,879 matter to us as Christians? 116 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 3: Well, you asked a great question, and I think the 117 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:01,399 best answer for that, you know, why is it? Why 118 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:03,639 does it matter to me? Why is it important? Well, 119 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,279 the scripture says there's nothing new under the sun. And 120 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:13,800 you know, if we don't learn from the past, we 121 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:20,439 tend to repeat the same mistakes. And you know, and 122 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:28,240 and I think if if we don't understand the biblical perspective, 123 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:35,079 that the historicity of the Old Testament is true. And 124 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:41,360 although we don't have you know, every every single thing 125 00:07:41,439 --> 00:07:44,839 that's ever been you know, said in the Old Testament 126 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:50,759 discovered in archaeology. A lot has been confirmed in archaeology 127 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,160 that relates to the Bible, whether that's the Old Testament 128 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:59,839 or the New Testament. Uh. And that's including sources outside 129 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,560 of the Bible or outside of the biblical land of Israel. 130 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,079 So this is one of those places. It's Biblical Asian Minor, 131 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,800 which is now in Turkey. The modern translation, or I 132 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,439 guess the modern day pronunciation of Turkey now is Turkey A. 133 00:08:20,519 --> 00:08:24,839 And so judge tends to say Turkey A. We we 134 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,600 change that spelling in the book, but it's the same thing. 135 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:36,480 And so it's important because the rocks are crying out 136 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:43,679 of the ground that confirm biblical historicity. And I think 137 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,519 this is one of those sites in Southeast Turkey that 138 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:54,039 confirm what the Bible has said about man coming up 139 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,759 out of the flood, you know, post ice age. We 140 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:01,759 don't have a whole lot of you know, details in 141 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,360 there from the from the scripture, but we do know that, 142 00:09:06,919 --> 00:09:12,639 uh that you know, people dispersed about the time of 143 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,720 the Tower of Babel and then they spread out. And 144 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:19,519 I think this is one of these early sites in 145 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:26,519 Southeast Turkey that explain this, this this context that the 146 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:31,600 Bible is talking about when it says that the people dispersed. 147 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,159 And so I think this is why it's important, because 148 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:39,919 if we can understand what happened, uh, from an archaeological 149 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,679 site back then, it actually rings true today. What they 150 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,200 were doing there is still ringing true today, and it 151 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:56,840 affects It affects how we how we how we see 152 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,960 the world. It affects our perspective, but it gives us 153 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:07,120 a clear understanding about what I call the policy of 154 00:10:07,159 --> 00:10:11,840 evil that's waxing worse in the earth and because of 155 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:16,559 that policy of evil where we know that's heading. This 156 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,279 is part of the very very beginnings of that story. 157 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,200 And if we know, if we know that, then I 158 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,960 think we can understand how that affects us today and 159 00:10:25,039 --> 00:10:27,360 then how we can counteract. 160 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 4: It, no doubt about it. Now, that's to go along 161 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:33,879 the same lines. 162 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:37,879 Speaker 5: I think it also gives you that apologetic look, right, 163 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:39,960 because we want to you know, it says and we 164 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,600 say this verse pretty much every show about something. But 165 00:10:42,639 --> 00:10:44,799 first Peter three point fifteen says, right, always be able 166 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,360 to have a reason for the hope that you have. 167 00:10:47,039 --> 00:10:50,519 So if I'm sitting there and I'm called, you know, 168 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,799 and I have just my faith, and I say, yeah, 169 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:54,919 I believe this one hundred percent. But I have somebody 170 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:56,639 who's a skeptic come to me, and I can say, well, 171 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,960 look at this, look at this, look at this. God 172 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,440 calls us to by faith alone. But he has given 173 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:08,039 us so much proof, so many things, archaeological proof all 174 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,879 around the world that points to the truth. And I 175 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:14,639 think when you uncover things like this, when you go 176 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:17,639 to places like this and you bring this to the 177 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:23,000 public eye, people see that it just only it only 178 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,399 validates it only strengthens my faith, if that makes sense. 179 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point. It's called evidential apologetics, while 180 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:38,320 it's not needed for people who are already of faith, 181 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,080 like ourselves. In other words, I don't need to find 182 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,840 Noah's Ark to believe in my faith anymore. I don't 183 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,559 have to have Noah's Ark. It's not necessary for me 184 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,240 to believe in my faith more than I do already. 185 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,240 Would it embolden my faith? Sure? Would it help someone 186 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,279 change their mind just leaning on the fence, Hey, I 187 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,399 need to reconsider this? Yes? So I think that's important 188 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:09,480 because evidential apologetics is about that. It's about empirical evidence. 189 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,440 And if you can use empirical evidence to show some 190 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:19,600 who may say, well you know, okay, it's what you believe, Well, 191 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:26,440 it's a belief based in evidential apologetics, which apologetics just 192 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,879 means a defense of the faith. But there's evidence. I 193 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:34,080 don't like to use the word proof. I like to 194 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,519 use the word confirm because I think it confirms these 195 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:45,399 passages in the Old Testament. For instance, we see that 196 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,679 for years archaeologists said that the hit Tites never existed, 197 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:52,480 but yet the Bible has mentioned the hit Tites forty 198 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:57,279 seven times, and it wasn't until later that evidence for 199 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,159 the hit Tites was actually found. They found the entire culture. 200 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,360 They just had missed it. And then when you go 201 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:09,399 to the museum and anchor, the whole museum is filled 202 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:15,200 with Hittite artifacts. So it's it's it's important because now 203 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,919 we have evidence of the head of the hit Tites. 204 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:24,279 And this is true throughout you know, many many places 205 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:32,279 named cities, people, battles that's occurred, that's been confirmed in archaeology, 206 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,039 and that's why archaeology is important. You know, this is 207 00:13:36,039 --> 00:13:40,919 why the Deadsi Scrolls are the greatest archaeological find that 208 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,240 stands to this day. And this is discovered in nineteen 209 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:51,159 forty seven. But what the Deadsi Scrolls did was it 210 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:58,120 was it confirmed the veracity of your Old Testament scriptures 211 00:13:57,799 --> 00:14:01,600 word for word, and it put push that that text 212 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:05,279 back in time. Because we don't have the originals. We 213 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,120 have copies of copies of copies. But then someone says, well, 214 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,480 those copies are just messed up and how we how 215 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,759 do we know, Well, it's because of the deadI Scrolls. 216 00:14:14,039 --> 00:14:17,039 When you go back, the Dead Sea Scrolls actually push 217 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,279 the oldest text back of the scripture back one thousand 218 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:23,320 years further in time. So the oldest that we had 219 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,679 at the time was the Elepo Codex. Now we have 220 00:14:25,759 --> 00:14:28,639 the Dead Sea Scrolls, and they're they push it back 221 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:33,240 a thousand years more in time. And the Great Isaiah Scroll, 222 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:38,080 which I have a copy here in my home, was 223 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:44,639 found completely intact, completely intact, and of course it's certain 224 00:14:44,679 --> 00:14:47,480 in Hebrew. But when you when you transliterated over to 225 00:14:47,559 --> 00:14:51,279 the to the to the Greek, and then to the English, 226 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,799 it's it's the same the Isaiah, the Book of Isaiah 227 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,519 from the Dead Sea Scroll to your version. Now depending 228 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:03,960 on what version of you know what if you're reading 229 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,480 the King James versus the Revised or the English Standard, 230 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:10,759 et cetera. But it's it's essentially a word for word, 231 00:15:10,799 --> 00:15:15,240 it's unchanged, and so we have a reliability of the 232 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,799 text that's been confirmed in the Dead Sea Scrolls. That's 233 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,519 just one example, but that's one of the greatest examples 234 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:25,360 because we can say this was not made up by 235 00:15:25,399 --> 00:15:29,320 people who just wanted to invent a new religion. It 236 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:31,840 wasn't made up because the people who wrote the Dead 237 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:36,559 Sea Scrolls were not Christians. This is pre Christianity and 238 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,879 so we see that every book of the Old Testament 239 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,639 has been confirmed, with the exception of the Book of 240 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:50,279 Esther and the multiple copies of the Torah. Multiple copies 241 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:55,639 of Psalms Isaiah have been discovered. Now a lot of 242 00:15:55,639 --> 00:15:59,120 them are in fragments, but the Great Isaiah Scroll was 243 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,480 completely intact. So it's a wonderful thing when archaeology comes 244 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:04,879 to light. And of course I was part of the 245 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:10,759 team that excavated Dead Sea Scroll Cave twelve in Kumran 246 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:17,799 in twenty seventeen and we discovered new material cultural evidence 247 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:22,360 that points it back to the Second Temple period at 248 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:25,679 the same time when the Dead Sea Scrolls were written, 249 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:31,720 and so we found evidence of Dead Sea Scroll cave 250 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:36,519 fragments where they used to house some Dead Sea scrolls, 251 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,759 and so we found remnants of those things. Matter of fact, 252 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,000 our cave was the first documented cave ever out of 253 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:48,480 the eleven original caves. Ours was the first cave to 254 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:52,080 have a scroll, although it was a small scroll to 255 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:56,120 be documented inside a scroll jar. So that's interesting. A 256 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,440 lot of people don't know that. But Roland de Vaux 257 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:02,399 only sated formally for the case because it was a 258 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,640 race against the battle Ones at the time who eventually 259 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,000 found out how much a scroll was worth, and so 260 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:12,240 there was no you know, antiquity control like there is now, 261 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,119 so a lot of those were being sold on the 262 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,920 on the black market. So yeah, it's interesting, interesting, even 263 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,160 the spiritual warfare. 264 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: You know, the timing of those that finding was just 265 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:31,119 amazing to me because, like you said that they were 266 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,920 discovered in forty seven, but it was just a few 267 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,920 months prior that those nag Hamadi, those Gnostic texts were 268 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,279 found down there in Egypt, and that the whole world 269 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:47,440 news was, you know, oh Jesus uh is caught kissing Mary, 270 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:50,240 and oh there's this, and there's all these changes. Your 271 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,720 Bible is not trustworthy, you know, and all this stuff 272 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,319 that was that was what was making you know, headline 273 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,599 news everywhere. And then it was kind of like, you know, 274 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,440 God was like no, no, no, no, out here, let me 275 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,160 show you this. It's just a few months later we 276 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,240 found these scrolls. 277 00:18:06,079 --> 00:18:10,039 Speaker 3: Right. There was a big push by the Gnostics Uh 278 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:15,200 to to the wart the very beginnings of the Church 279 00:18:15,279 --> 00:18:20,640 in the first century. As a matter of fact, Paul 280 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,680 the Apostle. Paul states that the spirit of the Antichrist 281 00:18:23,839 --> 00:18:28,279 was at work in his day, and it was already 282 00:18:28,279 --> 00:18:31,960 coming against the Church. And this was this was evidence 283 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:39,759 in in gnosticism, where they tried to blend New Age 284 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:46,640 roots with Christianity. It says, well, your Christian faith isn't 285 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:52,000 really Christian, it's blended from a Gnostic blend of other 286 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:56,000 spiritual beliefs. And that's not that's not true at all. 287 00:18:56,799 --> 00:19:01,000 So there was a big push, even in Paul's time, UH, 288 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,480 to to stop the very foundations of the Church. And 289 00:19:05,559 --> 00:19:08,640 we see it in many other cases too. But but 290 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,920 this is this is what I love about archaeology, because 291 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,119 you know, new things are coming out of the ground 292 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:22,400 all the time that confirm the biblical historicity of the text. 293 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,839 And in most most times these finds are not are 294 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,480 not by archaeologists, thereby just normal people, farmers who are 295 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:34,960 out and about and who find and this is how 296 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,599 they found. This is how they discovered go Beckley Tepe. 297 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,519 I mean it was misidentified in the sixties as a 298 00:19:40,519 --> 00:19:46,920 Byzantine cemetery. But then later uh farmer was plowing the 299 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,240 field hit a big, you know, big rock. He saw 300 00:19:50,279 --> 00:19:53,759 that it had been hand hewn and and and cut 301 00:19:53,839 --> 00:19:56,480 and and and so he you know, he tried to 302 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,359 pull that thing out of the ground. He couldn't do it. 303 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,279 He finally realized that it was two bigs, two masses. 304 00:20:01,319 --> 00:20:04,240 So we called, you know, some of the archaeologists in, 305 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,880 and they called Klaus Sman in, who happened to just 306 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,759 finish up an excavation. He was the one who actually 307 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:14,079 started the excavations that go back. We tap you back 308 00:20:14,079 --> 00:20:14,759 in the nineties. 309 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: All right, wonderers, here's one for you. 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And if you believe you are already one. 318 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 3: Of us, h and and so and and and Klaus 319 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:13,000 immediately recognized that it was not a Byzantine cemetery, something 320 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:13,720 totally different. 321 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,279 Speaker 5: Now that's a great segue. You just put right there 322 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,559 you line that up perfectly. He brought, he brought the 323 00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:27,640 he's bringing the ship into into the dock there. But 324 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:34,519 you're in doctor Burton's book Decoding Go Beckley Tepe, Biblical 325 00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:39,160 Anatolia and the Watchers. Now, I love anything. 326 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 4: Anytime I hear the Watchers, I get excited. 327 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,559 Speaker 5: I'll just be honest that that's just something going back. 328 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:49,839 We've done whole studies on Enoch and looking through you 329 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,880 know what Daniel Ten tells us things of that nature, 330 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,759 so you see that in action in the scriptures as well. 331 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,519 But I'd like you to kind of go through and 332 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:04,079 tell us, I guess a basic overview at first of 333 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,720 what is the significance of go Beckley tap or go 334 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:08,599 Beckley tape? 335 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 4: And and and what was it used for? 336 00:22:13,559 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 3: This is you know an area that that that Jed 337 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,759 really gets in into the book. But I think we 338 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,920 just we we just lost his connection on the on 339 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:23,400 the show. 340 00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 2: So he may message me and said that he's having 341 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,200 really bad internet issues. 342 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:32,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to figure affected me too, So so what's 343 00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:35,079 this what what's the significance of go Beckley tape? Well, 344 00:22:35,599 --> 00:22:39,359 when when Klaus Schmidt realized it was not a Byzantine cemetery. 345 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:43,759 Uh he he quickly realized that he thought it was Neolithic, 346 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,480 which is before the you know, before the invention of pottery, 347 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,640 pre pottery Neolithic A P P and a N A 348 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:57,240 uh and uh. So as he began to excavate initially 349 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,559 and look at it took him ten years to excavate 350 00:23:01,599 --> 00:23:05,160 an enclosure d alone. So now they've excavated several of 351 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,680 these enclosures, but there's about twenty still buried under the ground. 352 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:13,480 This is a big twenty acre side and so a 353 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,359 lot of these are still buried under the ground unexcavated. 354 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,519 But what's his significance? Once they realized the that these 355 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:28,240 you know, go Beckley Tepe, if it's Stone Age Neolithic, 356 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,440 there was a there was a big surprise for them 357 00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:43,480 because here you have monumental megalithic structures in stone that's 358 00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:47,559 not supposed to be there. And because of that, it 359 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,559 really baffled them because this is not expected. This was 360 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:55,319 something that Stone Age man was not supposed to be 361 00:23:55,319 --> 00:24:00,799 able to do. Yet you have an organization of labor, 362 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,440 a division of labor, you have people coming together. It's 363 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:09,519 estimated that probably at least five hundred men that would 364 00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:12,359 take to build go Beckley Tepe. Of course they think 365 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,119 it was occupied for at least a thousand years, maybe more. 366 00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:20,680 But the purpose of the site is interesting because that's 367 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,799 the big question, what was the purpose of it? And 368 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,319 as I begin to research for the book, I kind 369 00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:31,079 of really honed in on Enclosure D because an Enclosure 370 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,839 D you have those two central t pillar columns that 371 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,839 are eighteen and a half foot tall and they're anthropomorphic, 372 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,200 which means that they're human like, no face, but they 373 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,920 have arms wrapping around in the navel. They have a belt, 374 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:52,680 they have a fox belt, loincloth, and they're anthropomorphic. They're huge, 375 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:56,640 eighteen and a half foot tall. So I wanted to 376 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,880 know what those were and why why are they built 377 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,640 so huge? But they're monolithic, they're they're they're cut and 378 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:08,000 dressed out of a single piece of limestone that was 379 00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:10,799 quarried one quarter of a mile away from the side 380 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,039 uphill and then set up, you know, carved and then 381 00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:16,960 set up in position. Uh. This is not an easy 382 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,279 task and it really baffled archaeologists, so that you have 383 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,960 the very beginnings of megalithic architecture at the site by 384 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:31,359 Stone Age people who uh are not supposed to have 385 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,279 this kind of knowledge or you know, technology to be 386 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:37,839 able to do this. So it's really a it was 387 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,160 a very big surprise for archaeologist what doctor Burton says, 388 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,440 it's a paradigm that's changing. The paradigm why because uh, 389 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,240 it's exactly the opposite of how textbooks teach, you know, 390 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:56,079 the cultural evolution of man, which which I don't hold 391 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,000 to that paradigm. And go Beckley Tepe is a great, 392 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,279 great example of that because in the textbooks it says 393 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:08,440 that you know this, this what the way civilization evolved 394 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:12,279 was that people got together. You know, they they started 395 00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:16,000 cultivating the grains and the wheat and and and they 396 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,079 they began to settle. They had the sedentary life. Because 397 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:23,119 of that, they formed communities and then you know, cities 398 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,400 and towns. They then they walled up you know, their 399 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,640 defenses and and and uh to protect themselves or food 400 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:33,319 and and then and then after all that, then you 401 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,000 have religion that comes into play because you got people 402 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:40,960 and and then so religion comes last. Go Beckley Tepe says, no, 403 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:45,400 religion came first before all that. And this is where 404 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,039 Judd and I come in on this, because we say, uh, 405 00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:54,759 we we are hypothesizing that Go beckley Tepe has brought 406 00:26:54,799 --> 00:27:00,480 them together for a religious ideology first, and then they 407 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,440 came together and built Go beckley Tepe because they had 408 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:10,039 a common religious ideology that was embedded in their cosmology. 409 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,960 And so what I like to do is is, you know, 410 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:16,480 try to try to widen out the lens a little 411 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,759 bit and figure out what's you know, what's the general 412 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:23,759 context of the area. And so once I started doing this, 413 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,559 I started looking at regional science around Go beckley Tepe. 414 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:35,279 Nevali Chori was one of the very first ones. Kerahan 415 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:43,400 Tepe Katahulick was another one. And although this was a 416 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,559 little bit conventional on the conventional timeline, it's it's post 417 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,039 quebecley Tepe. But this chattle Hulick is very well documented, 418 00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:54,559 it's excavated, it's been published. They know at least ten 419 00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:57,160 thousand people probably lived at that site. But they shared 420 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:03,400 a commonality and there were religious ideology and in their architecture, 421 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,720 and so we see similar t column pillar sites around 422 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:11,799 this region. It's not isolated at Go beckley Tepe, and 423 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,839 they all have something that they're sharing a common architecture, 424 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:25,680 but in their iconography it's very similar anthropomorphic t pillar images, 425 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:36,039 stone heads, headless, phallic images. A lot of phallic images. 426 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: On tape is loaded. I mean they've around it full 427 00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:40,960 of just standing. 428 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 3: And so so back to your question, Steve, was, uh, 429 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,680 what was the intent of go Beckley Tepe? And from 430 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,160 what archaeologists has been able to put together so far, 431 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:00,680 they say, well, you know, well class met said it 432 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:04,759 was a a temple site. Now, archaeologists don't like to 433 00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:07,240 use the word temple. They won't use the word temple 434 00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:11,160 because it points to religion and it's you know it, 435 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,279 so they're not going to use that word. And I 436 00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:16,680 get it. Uh, you know, they're trying to stay objective 437 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:23,440 and and and that, and it should but uh, but 438 00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:27,759 I think Klaus was was was right in his beginning, 439 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,880 very beginning thoughts that go Beeckley Tape held a religious 440 00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:39,039 commonality for them to build that site. It was based 441 00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,799 off a religious idea. And so whether you call it 442 00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,119 a temple or not, people lived at the site. They 443 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,400 first thought, no, they didn't live there. They came and 444 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,400 they went. Now they know that they lived at the site. 445 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:53,559 They found hundreds of grinding stones, pestles and mortars. Of 446 00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:57,559 course they're stone vessels. Word just came out just recently 447 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:03,400 that a complete was found at kraahan Tepe, complete with 448 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:09,599 two ovens, stone ovens, stone vessels, and and and it's 449 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,119 just like they they left it. So something was happening 450 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,039 in this region, but they were all connected through architecture 451 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,680 and through this cosmology that they shared a very similar belief. 452 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:27,359 And so the intension now UH turns when you when 453 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:36,039 you investigate the site through uh through this perspective of, Okay, 454 00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:41,519 what is the commonality here, why is there common architecture, 455 00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:45,759 what's happening in the area. And so that's where I 456 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:49,400 really come in to take a wider lens of the 457 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,799 region and try to discover what they were doing and 458 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,720 who they were and why they were there, and this 459 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,440 all these questions about what the intention was. And I 460 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,720 think that after five years of reach or should not, 461 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:09,359 have finally come to a reasonable, you know, hypothesis on 462 00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:13,200 what they were doing at the site. 463 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,319 Speaker 5: Now that ties in really well with one of doctor 464 00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:22,480 Burton's theories that I've heard before is that his idea 465 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:27,359 was a tower of Babel was actually not where mainstream 466 00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:31,240 archaeology would would have told us more or less, but 467 00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,359 he thinks it's down closer in the area that is 468 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,119 Turkey is where it was originated. So it would make 469 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,880 sense that if we're seeing the first early culture's post 470 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:48,279 Tower of Babel that would have similar structures before they 471 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:50,759 went out further, it would be all in that area. 472 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,519 Speaker 4: Does that I mean? Is that track by what you 473 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:54,200 guys believe? 474 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know Judd and Derek Gilbert and 475 00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:01,559 others have done some really had work on on the 476 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:06,640 Tower of Babbel site. And you know this is this 477 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,200 is not the Er of Iraq. We're we're talking about 478 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,880 the er of southeastern Turkey. This is near the side 479 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,599 of go Beckley Tepe, near modern day Shimler, for it's 480 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,559 about nine miles away. Uh. It's biblical Edessa. This is 481 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:27,240 where Abraham when he grew up as Abraham, he lived 482 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,880 in this area. His father was named Tara and Tara 483 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,039 Uh and the people in that region all worshiped the 484 00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:38,680 same deity, and that was the Moon God. And so 485 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,400 we see that that the Moon God is venerated not 486 00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:48,480 only in this area along the plains of of Haran, 487 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,400 but uh in in Uh. Sites that were contemporaneous with 488 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,559 go Beckley Tepe, such as Jericho they worshiped the moon God. 489 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:06,480 There other sites such as sogment Tar they they venerated 490 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:12,400 the moon God. And so yeah, this is this is 491 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:18,559 one of my questions that I tried to answer, was well, uh, 492 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,960 who were these people and where do you place them 493 00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:25,359 from the from the story of of you know, from 494 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,200 the timeframe of the of the flood coming out of 495 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,440 the flood tower Babbel. Where where would you put put 496 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,640 them at? And I wrestled with this for a long time, 497 00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:39,359 but I think you put it post tower of Babel. 498 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:46,039 Why do I say that is because uh, post Tower Babel, 499 00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:50,119 you have the confusion of the languages that happened. You 500 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,480 have a lot of things happening in this timeframe. But 501 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,640 one of the things is that you have is a 502 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:03,200 scattering uh, and you have a a diversion of tongues 503 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,639 and people begin to go there, you know, according to 504 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,760 how you could understand you know, your language, you would 505 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,519 just you would you would have to go with the 506 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:18,280 people that that could understand you. And I think that 507 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,880 we see evidence of language at go Beckley Tepe. And 508 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,360 this is another hypothesis I'm putting forth is that there's 509 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,840 I think there's evidence of Anatolian hieroglyphics at go Beckley Tepe, 510 00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:34,639 and if that's true, Go Beckley Tepe is perhaps not 511 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:41,760 Neolithic at all, it's it would culturally redate it. Anatolian 512 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:48,639 hieroglyphics are are based in a language called called the Luvians, 513 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:55,239 who were contemporaneous with the Hittites. Siluvians had a language 514 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:01,880 that they used. They had two formal languages that they used. 515 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:09,719 One was called the logogram, and the logogram was basically 516 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,639 one word represents an idea. The Hittites adopted this Alluvian 517 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:22,840 logogram into their culture, but the logograms were hieroglyphic in 518 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,519 that a picture represented a word, so you could you know. 519 00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:34,239 They reserved this type of language for formal documentation on Stone, 520 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:38,119 probably to record a ritual or ceremony, but it was 521 00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:41,719 a formal written language just in Stone. They didn't use 522 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,239 it any time else. It was just you know, you 523 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,960 have limited space and you want to make the use 524 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,960 of your space, so you can't just write out a 525 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,199 whole bunch of stuff, So logograms were perfect for that. 526 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:58,639 And so if this is language, then I think then 527 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,559 we get back to the question of who the people 528 00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:04,880 were at go Beckley Tepe and then it you know, 529 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:09,119 and then and then from that perspective you can kind 530 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,239 of piece together maybe who they were and and and 531 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,559 based on the on the language theory model of loving 532 00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,159 logo gramds, this is not supposed to be there. You 533 00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,199 can't push that. You can't push that language back that 534 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,960 far in time. Not uh, they date goe Beckley Tepe 535 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,639 at about ninety six hundred BC. But if you go 536 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:39,719 with the biblical chronologies that either through the genealogies using 537 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:45,760 the Masoretic text or or or the septuagent timelines, I 538 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,519 don't I don't see how you can really get back 539 00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:55,360 that far from a biblical timeline chronology perspective. So I 540 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,840 took two timelines, which was the Masoretic text and the 541 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,000 septuagen and to try to figure out where go back 542 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,840 to a tape would land on those timelines biblically, and 543 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:12,119 it doesn't come out to ninety six hundred BC. So 544 00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:16,159 so you either have to push that language back seven 545 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,480 thousand years, which you know it's just not going to happen, 546 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,599 or that time needs to come forward and that seven 547 00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:29,679 thousand years isn't really there. Now that's that's kind of 548 00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:34,880 bizarre because you have most most archaeologists who believe in 549 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,760 the secular timeline of the chronologies, which you know, and 550 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:47,639 even you know, even Christian Christian archaeologist or Biblical archaeologists, 551 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,639 you know, have a have a longer Earth viewpoint. Doctor 552 00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:57,039 Burton does. And uh so I happen to come at 553 00:37:57,039 --> 00:38:01,199 it from a perspective of a young Earth. But uh 554 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,400 I think because of because of you know, where you 555 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,840 put go Beckley Tepe. It determines you know who the 556 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,039 people were at the site. And so I think this 557 00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:17,800 is these are important questions to look at when you're 558 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:23,039 trying to decide you know where to put them, And 559 00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:26,559 I think you put them after the Tower of Babel 560 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,800 because of the language. And this is after the scattering. 561 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,760 You got the diverse languages that's coming out. And if 562 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,639 this is Louvian logograms or anatoly In hieroglyphics, this is 563 00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:43,280 where you would put it. So I've got it, you know, 564 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,119 I've got it. I've got a chronology chart in the 565 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:48,119 back of the book that that you can visually look 566 00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:51,199 at both timelines, the subtugent timeline and the masoretic text. 567 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,840 And I think you would be surprised at where you 568 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,920 go go Beckley, tepe Lands, big Pailer. 569 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 2: And for those that's not aware, doctor Aaron Jenkins has 570 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,840 written another book called Guardians of Go Beckley and that 571 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,320 was a great book. Highly recommend you check it out. 572 00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:16,519 But you had to propose some ideas in there that 573 00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:20,599 I found fascinating when I first got exposed to them. 574 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:26,320 And you were talking about the two huge tea pillars 575 00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:29,599 and how they were so much taller, and you mentioned 576 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:33,159 this just a few moments ago, but there's also like 577 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,440 smaller tea pillars gathered around them, and like you said, 578 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,719 it's got the hands on the belly and the bell 579 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,360 and it's kind of like they're like gazing down, you know, 580 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,360 kind of like the whole Yeah, you know, when the 581 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,239 gods walked amongst men, you know, and the giants, and 582 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,800 it's kind of like even like with church, you know, 583 00:39:53,920 --> 00:40:00,039 you have these crucifixes, the Virgin Mary, these towering you 584 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:05,280 know figures that look down upon the congregation or the people. 585 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:12,159 Was these huge pillars in the center like to represent 586 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,280 do you think the moon God or the sun and 587 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,559 the Moon God or just ancestor veneration type deal. What's 588 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:22,719 your opinions on that? 589 00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's the first thing that captured my attention 590 00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,559 was those anthropomorphic pillars and enclosure d because they're so tall. 591 00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:34,039 They're eighteen and a half foot tall, no face, but 592 00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:35,159 they got these arms. 593 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 4: You know. 594 00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 3: I had a guy reach out and he goes, hey, 595 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,840 what do you think about you know what, it looks 596 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,400 like a belt. They're wearing a belt. I said, that's 597 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,880 not a belt, you know, so it looks like a 598 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,760 belt that they're artistic motisa, that's not a belt. Well 599 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,760 I was wrong. They're belts because they're they're wearing fox 600 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:58,760 pelt loincloths, both of them. And so when I realized 601 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,880 I was wrong on that, I said, those are belts 602 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,840 and those are fox pelt loincloths in the front that 603 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:10,800 they're wearing. So man, I started digging in and uh, 604 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,400 you just go back to to an earlier thing that 605 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,880 you said was that I had written a book called 606 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,199 Guardians of Go Becle. That book is no longer available 607 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:28,800 because Decoding go Beckley Tepe now is the is the 608 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,559 is the revised version of Guardians of Go Beckley Tepe. 609 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,880 So that's the that's the updated uh content material. With 610 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,400 with doctor Burton. Uh So Guardians is no longer in print. 611 00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:51,000 But but look, these two anthropomorphic images were very intriguing. 612 00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:54,480 And as I said earlier, there was no central source 613 00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:56,760 where I could just go and find out this information. 614 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,039 I mean not. It took me years years of research 615 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:04,599 to pull this all together into a single source. And 616 00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:09,239 I've footnoted and referenced everything. A lot of a lot 617 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,599 of these sources are secular sources that I footnoted in here. 618 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:24,840 But look, when you start looking at the at the region. Okay, 619 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,400 so you know this is how I solved the Lost 620 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,320 Lunis mystery Stone in New Mexico. It's got this ancient 621 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,159 Paleo Hebrew out there on a big eighty ten boulder. 622 00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:38,239 It's called the Decalogue Stone. It's got the bridge version 623 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:43,360 of the Ten Commandments. It's isolated, and I made multiple 624 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,320 trips out there in twenty twelve over a period of 625 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,320 a year or so. But how I saw that was 626 00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:53,440 I took a step back and looked at the region 627 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,480 and context. Now this is the same approach that I 628 00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:01,920 took it go Beckley Tepe I said, Okay, let me 629 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,239 widen out what I call the thirty five thousand foot 630 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,880 view approach and let me see what's happening in the area. 631 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,360 So I saw a common nulody in the architecture. I 632 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:17,079 saw similar t pillar sites around go Beckley Tepe. I 633 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:24,440 saw the same iconography of the animals, vultures, serpents. This 634 00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:33,039 a lot of phallic images, headless phallic images, anthropomorphic images, 635 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:41,199 faceless stones, stones with faces. And so the one thing 636 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,320 that got my attention was that up on the neck 637 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,960 area of these two anthropomorphic images on western pillar thirty 638 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,519 one was the image of a bull with horns. On 639 00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:55,480 each eastern pillar eighteen, which is an enclosure D it's 640 00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:59,559 an emblem iconography of a crescent moon. It's got a 641 00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,119 disc of it. And then right above that it looks 642 00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:05,480 like an English H. It's not the letter H, but 643 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:09,239 it looks like that. So that's the best way I 644 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,639 can describe it. And then on another stone in one 645 00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:18,519 of the enclosures, there was a clear emblem for a 646 00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:24,920 logogram that that we knew of a loving logogram, and 647 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,079 it was just the logogram for Deus, and Deus in 648 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:33,559 Latin is God. And this is a very clear symbol 649 00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:41,039 logogram which is anatoline hieroglyphic this logogram for Deus, which 650 00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:45,840 is God, and underneath it was the logogram which was 651 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:56,639 this logo raum logogram that that stood for house or place. 652 00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:01,480 So here you have a problem meaning on this one 653 00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:07,360 stone alone house or temple or place of the gods 654 00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:13,800 and so well what was the images on the anthropomorphic 655 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,639 to central pillars and enclosure day, these eighteen and a 656 00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:25,039 half foot tall faceless stones that are staring down at you. Well, 657 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,840 there's logograms for that and the logogram. Now a lot 658 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,960 of the logograms aren't deciphered, but hundreds are. There's hundreds 659 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,960 that are not. And there's just a few people who 660 00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:42,559 are expert in Lluvian logogram. And I'm really surprised that 661 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,440 some of the linguists have not come out yet on 662 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:50,079 this about go Beckley tepe. But look, if I'm right, 663 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,599 these are logograms. The logograms on western pillar thirty one 664 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,960 as a logogram for the bull. That's an easy one, right, 665 00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,679 You got the image of the bull with horns. 666 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,119 Speaker 2: With the price of eggs and bread slowly approaching a 667 00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:09,639 day's wages, it's more important than ever than to secure 668 00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:13,079 the value of your dollar. One thing that has remained 669 00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:17,079 steady is gold and silver throughout the ages. 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And when I 686 00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:24,960 started doing the research on in the logograms about what 687 00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:31,639 this was, then it suddenly became a little bit clearer 688 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,920 when you're looking at it in terms of the logo grounds, 689 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:46,280 but also when you look at the Mesopotamian Sumerian culture 690 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:53,599 and particularly the Samerian language. It can help you identify 691 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,079 some of the cosmology and their words in their vocabulary. 692 00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:02,639 And so there's a Sumerian linguistic connection that I write 693 00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:09,440 about in the book that I think penpoints the identification 694 00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:12,079 of these two pillars, and and I lay the foundation 695 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,639 out in the book. But I'll just I'll just talk 696 00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:22,880 about one of them. One of them is is a 697 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:30,320 connection for Adam. And I'm just gonna I'm just gonna 698 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:37,960 look here, when when you're looking at the the Samerian pantheon, 699 00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:41,480 that the very top deity of the sa Marian pantheon 700 00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:45,199 was a god n a N. And when you break 701 00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:52,119 it down in Samerian, A is the logogram which refers 702 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:57,199 back to the father or the ancestor, and it's pictured 703 00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:05,639 by an Oxford bull. Now when you combine the A 704 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:11,079 with the which means father. Okay, so the A means 705 00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:17,079 father or ancestor. But the picture of that is the bull. 706 00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:22,719 So we see this actually in in paleo Hebrew. The 707 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:28,440 the the alaph in pale Hebrew, because it's pictographical, is 708 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,559 the picture of the of the ox which means strength 709 00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:35,840 or you know, or strong. This is where we get 710 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:42,480 our English letter A from so when you combine it 711 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:51,000 with the the letter N for n. Okay. So we're 712 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,880 talking about the Samerian deity n so and is so 713 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,519 as father. But the N in Samerian would be to 714 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:03,119 lift up on high or to make highest. And when 715 00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:06,800 you combine these two terms, it's the deity an to 716 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,079 lift up or make high. Now when you look at 717 00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:19,199 this in the proto Caneiform script, you see that this 718 00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:27,119 Sumerian word that is referring back to an ox or 719 00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:29,559 a bull. And again this is on western pillar thirty 720 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:32,360 one with that iconography of the bull image up there. 721 00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:37,920 When you combine the letter A and Sumerian which means father, 722 00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:44,679 with the ox, which is the ama or am which 723 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,320 is the wild bull or the ox. Because you get 724 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,079 the image of the ox, it gives us a really 725 00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:56,400 significant clue and that translates to the name of our 726 00:50:56,559 --> 00:51:03,880 first ancestor, which is get this, it's Adama, which is 727 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:09,960 biblical Adam. Okay, So this is where we get the 728 00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:14,800 father arc bull imagery from. They have, let me just 729 00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:21,679 simplify this, They have deified their ancestor Adam. And the 730 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,119 way they have deified him was through the Sumerian bull 731 00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:31,639 god and to lift up to make kai. What's interesting 732 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,679 is there's another tie to the sons of the Anechem. 733 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,760 When the children of Israel are going into the land, 734 00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:42,559 that the sons of Anik are there, the sons of Anik, 735 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,639 the sons of n a n the sons of Anik 736 00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:51,719 who were part of that Nephelene tribe. And then you 737 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,920 get into the Rapayim giants and all this. These are 738 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,159 the sons of Anik. They have deified their father Adam 739 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,000 as a god, and so they've done it in marrying pantheon, 740 00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:08,000 they've done this and the deification. But in the veneration 741 00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:12,360 of Western Pillar thirty one and enclosure d at Go 742 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:18,280 Beckley Tepe. So that pillar is a representation of Adam. 743 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,000 Now we don't have the face, we don't have the sexes. 744 00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:26,199 But why do you need two central Monolithic stones covering 745 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:32,480 up their nekedness with fox pelt loincloths wearing belts. It 746 00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:37,920 only makes sense familiar to the and to the back 747 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:43,679 into the original biblical narrative of Adam and Eve. They 748 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,400 have deified their original ancestors. And so we see that 749 00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:51,800 Adam has been deified in the bull image. We know 750 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,000 that the people of the Neolithic was known as the 751 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,960 people of the Bull, and they have done something different. 752 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,280 They have taken they have taken the image of the 753 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,079 moon and they've deified that. But now they have taken 754 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:10,239 the image of the bull and they've deified that because 755 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,840 the bull is the strongest thing that's you know, it's 756 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:17,719 a powerful creature. And those ancient aroc bulls that used 757 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,239 to live in those ancient plains of Haran Break probably 758 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,000 stood nine foot at the shoulder. So if you take 759 00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:27,760 one of them down, and probably take a dozen men 760 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,760 or more, take one of those creatures down, well, that 761 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,320 provides a lot of meat for your family, your community. 762 00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:38,079 But they were very powerful creatures. So they have deified 763 00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:41,400 the image of the bull as a power over the earth. 764 00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:44,440 They've deified the image of the moon as in the 765 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,400 power over the heavens. So we see that there's a 766 00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:51,360 veneration coming into play here at go back lay tape 767 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,760 with their ancestors and so the standing stones we see 768 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,679 all throughout Europe in the Middle Ages, there used to 769 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,320 be some fifty thousand standing stones. The most famous is 770 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,760 Stonehenge standing stone. They're called miners. Miners is a turn 771 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,880 broken down beween long stones or standing stones. Uh, there's 772 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:22,639 something happening there because these standing stones represent either ancestors 773 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,320 or that they have They are venerating their ancestors through 774 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,119 these stones. And this is why you have a lot 775 00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:35,760 of stone imagery that is anthropomorphic. They're human like some 776 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,400 of them do have human faces that is carved into 777 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,719 these stones. We see earth man. It's uh, they found 778 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,800 it there in Chandlerfa dates back to the same time 779 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,840 as goebecley Tepe. And it's six foot tall and it's 780 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,519 a it's a full full stone statue of a person. 781 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,800 It's kind of got a V neck collar, a double 782 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:03,920 V neck collar. But uh, this is this is getting 783 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,599 back to the same imagery of the of the This 784 00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:12,519 phallic imagery you we see especially at Kerahan Tepe. But 785 00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:16,519 why would you need dead people with no heads to 786 00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:21,760 have phallic images? Doesn't doesn't make sense when you look 787 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,199 at it that way. But if you look at it 788 00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:30,519 through their cosmology, we see that when when when you 789 00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:34,960 died or when your loved one died, they believed that 790 00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,960 for you to be reborn, you had to go you 791 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,119 had to go through the to the underworld. You had 792 00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:46,519 to go through the nether world and get reborn. But 793 00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:51,199 you died souls, so yeah, so you you would go 794 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:56,639 through this process of dying in the underworld. But and 795 00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:01,960 this all has to go back to this regeneration theory 796 00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:03,920 we put out in the book that when you died, 797 00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:09,119 you were regenerated, your spirit was regenerated, but first it 798 00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:13,639 had to go through this death, you know, this this 799 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:16,800 period of death in the nether world before it gets 800 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,519 reborn back into the afterlife. And they were reborn into 801 00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:24,920 the afterlife back to the heavens as a star god. 802 00:56:26,039 --> 00:56:27,679 And so they believe that the only way you could 803 00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:30,800 do that was through their ancestors Adam and Eve, who 804 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,159 they've deified. And so this is why you have some 805 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,400 of the skull fragments found at go Beckley Tepe where 806 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,960 they've repatriated part of the skulls. You don't need the 807 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,119 whole body, just a skull. And a lot of these 808 00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:46,920 skull fragments have holes drilled in them, probably where they 809 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,840 could suspend them in the air. But look, there's a 810 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:56,880 big shadow play probably going on that these enclosures were 811 00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,079 probably roofed with wooden poles, so it wouldn't be open 812 00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:02,440 to the sky like we see it now to be 813 00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:07,440 roofed and an enclosure d we see it a processional 814 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,320 way before you get into the main enclosure, and then 815 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:16,719 you see bench seating around there. It's we see stone 816 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:22,199 vessels that have shallow grooved channels cut into them, probably 817 00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,639 for draining blood. Now, I'm not suggesting that they sacrificed 818 00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:29,119 humans or animals there. We do know that they practice 819 00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:32,840 ritualistic feasting, but they probably did have some kind of 820 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,400 a ritual or ceremony they were performing in there with 821 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,440 those skulls. And so if you want your ancestor to 822 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,320 be reborn back into the stars, into the eternal life, 823 00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:45,719 back to your ancestors, who they've now deified as Adam 824 00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:48,360 and Eve, then you've got to go through this process. 825 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,719 And I think that's what's happening at at go Beckley Tepe. 826 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,719 It's it's part of a regeneration theory that they would 827 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,199 be regenerated into the after life, back to the heavens 828 00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:04,280 as a star god through the stones. But you would 829 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,000 have to you would have to repatriate part of those remains. 830 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,199 We see now that they found three human burials that 831 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:17,280 go backly Tepe and uh, a number of images. That's 832 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:22,239 very similar in Chattahoolik, where they deified the image of 833 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:27,039 the bull, they buried their loved ones under the floors 834 00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:32,039 of their home and and so I think they were 835 00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:34,400 doing something very similar. Matter of fact, they would paint 836 00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:39,480 the skulls with red ochre paint. And this goes back 837 00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:43,880 to the very imagery of Adam from the red dirt 838 00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:46,840 man arises from the red clay, from the red earth, 839 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,239 and this is why you get the red ochre. I 840 00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:52,280 think on on the on the that they found parts 841 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:57,639 of the red coloration that's left on the skulls. So 842 00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,800 it's part of this regeneration theory that we see. And 843 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,639 this is what we're proposing in the book, that they 844 00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:07,360 have deified their ancestors. Yes, and they're venerating their ancestors, 845 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,400 but they have deified these gods and uh. And so 846 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:19,000 these enclosures, I think they have probably done some some 847 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,320 some kind of ritual ceremonies in there. But look, when 848 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:28,199 you got firelight, you know inside these enclosures, and and 849 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,519 the and the light from your torch is lighting up 850 00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:34,400 those eighteen and a half foot structures, it's gonna cast 851 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,559 shadows on the floor in the walls, and to and 852 00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:44,199 to them, a shadow was a representation of a shade 853 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:50,280 or a spirit, and and and so when these shades, 854 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,960 these shadows start dancing and flickering on the sides of 855 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,800 the wall and the floor, they become spirits. And so 856 01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:03,079 now they are entering a spirit world. Bit more specifically, 857 01:00:03,159 --> 01:00:08,800 they have recreated this symbolic womb of Eve, because now 858 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:13,119 they're going to rebury you back into a womb, back 859 01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:16,880 into the womb of Eve, so you can be reborn 860 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,679 as a spirit, as a as a as a star god. 861 01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:23,880 But the only way to do that is back to 862 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:30,079 your mother Eve. And so go Beckley Tepe, at least 863 01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:35,079 in part, represents a symbolic womb. We see go Beckley Tepe. 864 01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:38,920 The very name means pregnant hill. Go Beckley Tepe Tepe 865 01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:43,039 is a hill. Go Beckley means pregnant or pot bellied, 866 01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:50,159 so literal translation is pregnant hill. And this is exactly 867 01:00:50,159 --> 01:00:54,119 what we see. It's a symbology of the womb. So 868 01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:56,559 we walk it out. We lay this foundation in the 869 01:00:56,599 --> 01:01:00,480 book so you have an understanding of how we get there, 870 01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:04,960 and we get into this marry linguistic connections and and all. 871 01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:09,280 But there's an interesting site over in England called Avebury. 872 01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:12,119 I may be pronouncing it wrong. I haven't been there, 873 01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:15,480 but it's a it's a it's a one of the 874 01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:24,159 largest megalithic stone sites in England. And there's an interesting 875 01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:26,960 connection I think connects to go Beckley Tepe in the name. 876 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:32,039 A lot of archaeologists didn't understand what Avebury was. But 877 01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:36,119 when you break down the name Avebury and Sumerian, suddenly 878 01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:40,760 it became it becomes very clear. When you break down 879 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,079 that word barry b r Y in English, and you 880 01:01:44,119 --> 01:01:47,920 break it down, you see that there's something happening regarding 881 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,880 to the death and the and the afterlife of that person. 882 01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:57,719 And and and it has to do with this regeneration 883 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:03,079 of the dead. Berry is to is to you know, uh, 884 01:02:03,159 --> 01:02:05,960 to to be you know, to to have the dad 885 01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:12,039 be buried in a pit. But to them, uh, you 886 01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:15,960 were being reborn back into the afterlife. And so you 887 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,920 get this, you get this this linguistic connection that this 888 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:28,440 their spirit is being regenerated through this crushing and this 889 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,119 this this fires of the nether world so they can 890 01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:35,599 be reborn and then they're there and then they get 891 01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:39,159 reborn back into the back to the heavens, but they 892 01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:42,320 get reborn specifically getting back through Eve. And so when 893 01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:47,599 you translate then the the the the old English of 894 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:53,079 a ve e of Burry, then then you have a 895 01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:59,719 very clear linguistic connection. It is uh relates back to 896 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:06,280 a burial womb of Eve, which I think is interesting. 897 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:12,880 It's the the a remembrance of the burial practices that 898 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:21,039 is venerating Eve of berry Eve. And so it's I 899 01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:24,599 think this is exactly what's happened back at go Beeckley Tepe. 900 01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:28,719 And we see one chapter nine, there's a whole chapter 901 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:33,559 dedicated to the to the to the mother Goddess. Throughout 902 01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:37,840 all these ancient cultures you have heard of her under 903 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:42,280 the names Anana, under the names Ishtar and ashtar worship. 904 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:49,079 And in getting back to the more modern day soddings 905 01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:51,920 of the lady simply known as the Lady in a 906 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,039 lot of these Catholic soddings, that is an apparition of 907 01:03:56,199 --> 01:04:02,280 Mary supposedly who they h who it has termed itself 908 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,679 the Lady. And so I wrote an afterward in the 909 01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:08,199 book that talks about why it's important going back, Well, 910 01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:10,199 why is this sight even important. I'll tell you in 911 01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:12,800 the afterward of the book why it's important, because this 912 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:19,039 apparition is happening at least in the Catholic realms, where 913 01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:23,880 this is witnessed by hundreds or thousands of people. Even 914 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,280 the Catholic Church has come out and authenticated the sidings 915 01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:31,280 of the lady. So this is all going back to 916 01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,599 a deification of Eve. But they have venerated both in 917 01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:40,280 their ancestors, and so this is part of the lost 918 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,920 connection that the ancients once had in the Garden of Eden, 919 01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,679 when Adam and Eve walked with God, but when Sin 920 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:56,639 entered and listen, Sin entered the earth. It may have 921 01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,000 entered the earth through Adam and Eve because they really 922 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,599 they had the keys to the kingdom. They had a choice, uh, 923 01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:06,360 and and and and and they didn't choose. You know, 924 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,239 if you could go back to the to the movie term, 925 01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:13,239 they didn't choose wisely. But look, Sin entered Lucifer first. 926 01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:16,960 And you know I talked about this, I cite Michael 927 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:21,440 Heizer's working here, But we have this imagery of of 928 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:26,480 Lucifer as a serpent in the garden, and that Eve 929 01:05:26,639 --> 01:05:29,119 is talking to a serpent. Heve's not talking to a serpent. 930 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,519 So when you look at it in the Hebrew, uh, 931 01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:37,960 this is not a serpent that that Eve is talking to. 932 01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:43,400 It's it's the nakash. The nakash means a luminous, shining 933 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:48,159 one or shining being raising shining one. And we know 934 01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,800 Lucifer is a uh an angel of light, a bearer light, 935 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,920 the light bearer. And so it now makes sense that 936 01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:01,760 Eve is not startled when she sees a celestial being 937 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,840 that is luminous and shining. She's not startled by it 938 01:06:07,679 --> 01:06:11,719 because she is also in the glorified state. This is 939 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:16,000 before sin, before they fell, so it's not any surprise 940 01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:20,159 to her. So you know, she's able to have this conversation. 941 01:06:20,719 --> 01:06:23,760 But the thing that the entity gets her to do 942 01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:29,679 was it it planned to two questions in her mind. 943 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,800 It didn't command her to do anything. She she she's 944 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,559 the one that actually took action, but she took action 945 01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:44,480 on the thought and that was did God say and 946 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,119 and there was and there was another question in there 947 01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:49,239 that slips in my mind right now. But he gets 948 01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:52,119 her to question God's authority. Did God say that you 949 01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:57,440 would surely die? And because you're you're gonna you're gonna 950 01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:57,760 be like. 951 01:06:57,719 --> 01:07:01,519 Speaker 2: God's you shall be as God, and and. 952 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:03,440 Speaker 3: There's a grain of truth. And there was a grain 953 01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,599 of truth in there. Yeah you're gonna you're gonna have 954 01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:09,480 your eyes open. But but the but the rest of 955 01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:12,679 it was spun around the lines of deception, and that 956 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,000 was to get her to there was a disobedient act. 957 01:07:17,639 --> 01:07:20,079 And so when God comes in the garden and he goes, hey, 958 01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:23,639 where are you guys, he's not wondering because he can't 959 01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:27,239 find them. He knows what's happened. He's asking them a 960 01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:32,679 rhetorical question. And the rhetorical the rhetorical question is this, 961 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:39,360 what have you done that you're hiding? Oh, well, we're 962 01:07:39,559 --> 01:07:42,280 scared because we're nicked. Well, who told you? Why? Why? 963 01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:46,320 Why would you be scared? Who told you was naked? 964 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,679 And this again is the imagery that we see on 965 01:07:48,719 --> 01:07:53,480 the stones at go Beckley Tepe. They made them sells coverings, 966 01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,360 So this is exactly what we see on the two 967 01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,480 images at go Beckley Tepe on these stones coverings on 968 01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:08,920 stone images. And something very interesting also is that these 969 01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:11,159 arms that wrap around to the side, you see they 970 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:16,800 come to the navel. These arms are telegraphing divinity. They're 971 01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,239 not just it's not just an arm, it is arms, 972 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:25,479 but is the arms are telegraphing divinity, just like the 973 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:30,239 ifiphallic images that we see on these stones are telegraphing 974 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:35,680 something important. Why would a headless dead man be ethiophallic. 975 01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,520 It's not humanly possible because you're dead. But if you're 976 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:46,600 being regenerated into the afterlife, then suddenly we see that 977 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:53,960 the dead is being regenerated. Uh. In their cosmology, the 978 01:08:54,000 --> 01:09:02,399 phallic images are the continuation of of of of the 979 01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,479 of the line. So that's why you have this headless 980 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,960 uh imagery all over all over the region you see it, 981 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,960 but a lot of especially karaon Tepe, that big that 982 01:09:14,039 --> 01:09:17,560 big one that shows the ribs. You know that this 983 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:22,760 person is actually you know, uh, it's a person that's 984 01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:29,600 probably uh represented in death, but it's at theophallic Uh. 985 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,119 Why because this goes back to the symbol of when 986 01:09:33,159 --> 01:09:37,720 you die, you are being regenerated, back to our ancestors, 987 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:43,079 back to our father receded. And this is exactly the 988 01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:44,920 imagery that we see at quebecley Tepe. 989 01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:51,079 Speaker 2: Are you a hunter, a hiker, or just an outdoor enthusiast. Well, 990 01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:54,239 if you are, you know that good quality gear is 991 01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:57,640 hard to come by and find an all American maid. 992 01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:03,199 It's like finding foot in the woods. Hence the name 993 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:08,239 of Squat Survival Gear. Head on over to Squatch survival 994 01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:12,239 gear dot com use the code p l P ten 995 01:10:13,039 --> 01:10:25,079 for ten percent off store wide. I gotta get this 996 01:10:25,159 --> 01:10:26,079 new updated book. 997 01:10:27,239 --> 01:10:29,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think we all do. I think 998 01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:31,119 everybody out there is gonna need it as well. 999 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, there was so much more information that that's 1000 01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,680 that's in uh the coding go Beckley tape. Now, of 1001 01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:44,279 course we got juds content in there and and it 1002 01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,479 just up. We just updated it because more information was 1003 01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:53,960 coming out from the site, and particularly we found just 1004 01:10:54,119 --> 01:10:57,640 nuggets that we were able to piece back in there. 1005 01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,000 But in particularly while we're talking about now with the 1006 01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:05,279 with the veneration, the defecation of Adam and Eve especially 1007 01:11:06,119 --> 01:11:09,760 uh is is all new and and look we just 1008 01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:16,880 it it is. I think we lay a very a 1009 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:21,319 very solid groundwork. And matter of fact, a guy that 1010 01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,800 commented on one of the one of the channels, he said, well, 1011 01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,640 I don't believe that that ever happened. Well have you 1012 01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,920 read the book? Well, no, I haven't read the book, 1013 01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:31,439 but you're gonna make a judgment because you just don't 1014 01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,560 think it's it's possible. Uh, look here's what I'm asking. 1015 01:11:36,119 --> 01:11:39,760 Just read that. Just read it. Just read it, and 1016 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,039 then and then and then and then let's have a 1017 01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:45,760 discussion about it. You know. But I know it's hard 1018 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,960 when when you don't have all the information, we don't 1019 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,920 have a lot of time to get into the details. 1020 01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,439 Uh you know about it. But look, it's all laid 1021 01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,720 out in the book, and and and it's referenced. I mean, 1022 01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,600 you can go back and look at the sources. If 1023 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:05,800 you read the footnotes, you'll get a solid education in 1024 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,119 the footnotes. Not just don't go Beckley Teppe. You're going 1025 01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:11,199 to get a solid education in a lot of different 1026 01:12:11,319 --> 01:12:13,600 areas that the book touches on. I mean I had 1027 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,640 to go into areas I didn't never dream I was 1028 01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,279 going to have to go into the book. But you know, 1029 01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:21,960 when you're talking about coming out of the flood, you 1030 01:12:22,079 --> 01:12:24,399 got to talk about that, Well, how does that happen? 1031 01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,680 Why do I think it's post flood because the stones 1032 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,920 that go Beckley Teppe are limestone. That's all post flood 1033 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,319 material is sedimentary rock. It's all laid down they're in 1034 01:12:33,359 --> 01:12:37,199 the flood. It's post flood limestone, so that's after the flood. 1035 01:12:37,239 --> 01:12:39,000 So I have to talk about that. Well, I have 1036 01:12:39,079 --> 01:12:41,640 to get into the chronology, the biblical chronology. Where do 1037 01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:44,439 you put that. Well, I started building this timeline just 1038 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,800 as a visual to help me keep track of where 1039 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,199 I was at with what was going on. So I 1040 01:12:49,279 --> 01:12:51,840 just did it for me, and it just became this 1041 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,920 thing where I just added to it, changed it. And 1042 01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:58,680 you'll see in several versions early on that I've changed 1043 01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,600 this up quite a bit because I you know, you 1044 01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,960 kept you keep moving things around, and at least on 1045 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,239 the septuagent timeline you have you have more time to 1046 01:13:09,319 --> 01:13:11,680 move these things around. Now. I look, I want to 1047 01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,079 make something clear. I study out of the King James. 1048 01:13:14,119 --> 01:13:17,239 I'm not a King James only guy. You know. I'll 1049 01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:20,640 study out of other versions. But but but that's you know, 1050 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,279 that's my primary text I study out, which is based 1051 01:13:23,279 --> 01:13:27,279 off the Masoretic Text. And I'm not saying there's anything 1052 01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:30,960 wrong in the doctrine of it, but there is there 1053 01:13:31,079 --> 01:13:34,960 is some genealogy problems and and uh, when you get 1054 01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:40,600 it in the genesis genealogies, the Masoretic Text I think 1055 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,600 it's in Genesis. I love them. 1056 01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, they try to make him Malkisa Dick because they 1057 01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:47,640 wanted to point away from. 1058 01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,239 Speaker 3: Jesus, shuts off their genealogies by one hundred years each. 1059 01:13:52,039 --> 01:13:54,319 And so with the set tuo agent reads and so 1060 01:13:54,359 --> 01:13:56,000 and so beget so and so and he was one 1061 01:13:56,079 --> 01:13:58,000 hundred and thirty years, and so and so beget so 1062 01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,800 and so and he was one hundred and ten years. Well, 1063 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,600 the Masoretic text is going to say so and so 1064 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,279 beget so and so when he was thirty years, it'll 1065 01:14:06,319 --> 01:14:09,000 cut that hundred years off, and so and so beget 1066 01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:12,039 so and so, and he was twenty years, it cuts 1067 01:14:12,039 --> 01:14:14,600 that hundred years off. And so when you go six generations, 1068 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,479 that's six hundred years of time right there that you're missing. 1069 01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,439 Minimum the septugin I think you gained back thirteen fifty 1070 01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,520 or fourteen hundred years of time, which now you suddenly 1071 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,800 have a lot more time for an ice age, and 1072 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,600 you got to talk about the ice You got to 1073 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,800 talk about the ice age now and the younger drives event. 1074 01:14:34,079 --> 01:14:36,119 Where do you put all that, Well, there's not room 1075 01:14:36,119 --> 01:14:39,079 in the Masoretic text timeline, and that's the text I 1076 01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:43,159 study out of There's nothing wrong with it doctrinely. I'm 1077 01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:48,079 just saying that in the Masoretic timeline, by the time 1078 01:14:48,119 --> 01:14:50,399 you get out of the flood to the Tower of Babble, 1079 01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,079 you only have one hundred years of time. And you're 1080 01:14:53,079 --> 01:14:55,479 telling me that you got one hundred years to repopulate 1081 01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,920 the earth and have you know whatever it is of 1082 01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,119 a population of people to build a tower of Bowel. 1083 01:15:03,039 --> 01:15:05,920 I don't think a hundred years is enough time. But 1084 01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,720 if you go according to the Septuagint, now you have 1085 01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,000 a lot of time. You have all the room you 1086 01:15:12,039 --> 01:15:15,880 need for the ice age to occur, the what the 1087 01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,960 mechanism being the flood. You have all the time that 1088 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,920 you need for the repopulation of the earth to get 1089 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,039 to the Tower of Bouble, to have the population there. 1090 01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,079 You have the time, But not in the Masoretic text 1091 01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:30,640 you don't. But again the septuagen has its own problems, 1092 01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,960 not doctrinely, but just in some minor areas. It has 1093 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,520 Methuselah living fourteen years after the flood. We know he 1094 01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:41,079 died probably a week before the flood. His name meant 1095 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:46,439 his death shall bring, so shall bring his death brought 1096 01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,479 the flood, and probably within a week when he died, 1097 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,439 the flood came. So we know he didn't lived fourteen 1098 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,199 years after the flood. So there's some problems with that. 1099 01:15:54,199 --> 01:15:56,960 But look, I think you could take both of them 1100 01:15:57,399 --> 01:16:01,840 and study out of them. You'll I think the septuagen 1101 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:10,439 has faithfully preserved the genealogies where uh. Some course, the 1102 01:16:11,279 --> 01:16:14,399 at some point along the way in the Mazeratic timeline, 1103 01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:19,159 for whatever reason, those those genealogies get cut short, and 1104 01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:27,840 I think it was probably to nullify Christ as as Messiah. Uh. 1105 01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:32,760 And so there's there's reasons, speculative reasons. We get into 1106 01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,119 the book briefly, but uh, but this book has taken 1107 01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:38,760 me a lot of places I didn't expect to write. 1108 01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:42,399 So we get into the a little bit, into the 1109 01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,760 mechanism of the flood, the ice age, what happened to 1110 01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:49,279 the mamos, uh, some about you know those things, and 1111 01:16:49,279 --> 01:16:52,960 and of course the younger drives event and then and 1112 01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:57,319 then the biblical chronology. And so you'll get a whole 1113 01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,720 education in the book as as you read it. But 1114 01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,159 but we want you know the really the goal is 1115 01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:07,159 to let you decide. I'm not trying to be dogmatic 1116 01:17:07,159 --> 01:17:10,439 here and saying I'm right, I don't know only five 1117 01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,119 percent of go backly Tepe roughly he's been excavated ninety 1118 01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:18,680 five percent to learn the ground. And now there's reports 1119 01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,640 that you know the site, you know that they're going 1120 01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:25,319 to slow down excavations. Some say that they're stopping on together. 1121 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,880 I you know, I haven't heard that from the director 1122 01:17:30,279 --> 01:17:33,840 of the German Institute of Archaeology said they're slowing down. 1123 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,840 They're not stopping, but they're continuing. And I think they're 1124 01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,880 doing good work at the site. I would love to 1125 01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,760 be there one day. I love to meet them. I 1126 01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:46,319 would love to be able to excavate there. They're open. 1127 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,760 And this is from a testimony that I call in 1128 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,279 testimony's an interview, but you know, as an interview he 1129 01:17:52,359 --> 01:17:55,720 gave and he said, we're open, you know, to considering 1130 01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:59,600 other people's interpretations. And there's been a little bit of pushback, 1131 01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,119 I think in the past, but I think they've kind 1132 01:18:02,119 --> 01:18:04,680 of ironed those things out. And he said, look, we 1133 01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,479 we have to be open to other possibilities in the public. 1134 01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,199 And you know, and and and I would love to 1135 01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,960 sit down and talk with him. I'd love to excavate there. 1136 01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:20,960 So none of this is is is to disparage their 1137 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,960 work at all. I think they're doing a fantastic job. 1138 01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:29,159 There's just because you're not there, and information is slow 1139 01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:31,279 to get outside because it has to be published. That 1140 01:18:31,319 --> 01:18:36,079 there is information now that they know that we don't know, 1141 01:18:36,119 --> 01:18:38,520 that won't get to us in another one or two years, 1142 01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:44,800 maybe longer. So so this information sometimes is really slow 1143 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,279 coming out because of all this. But there I think 1144 01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:53,239 they're doing what they can. I know there's a lot 1145 01:18:53,279 --> 01:18:56,000 of conspiracy theories about their trying to cover up the 1146 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,560 side and they don't want any further excavations done, and 1147 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,119 I don't you know, I don't think I believe any 1148 01:19:01,159 --> 01:19:05,479 of that, but I would like for them to give 1149 01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:09,720 this an honest, open hearing. One about the regeneration theory. 1150 01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,359 Two about the veneration the deification of their ancestors, specifically 1151 01:19:13,399 --> 01:19:18,039 Adam and Eve. Three that there's Anatolian hieroglyphics on these stones, 1152 01:19:18,079 --> 01:19:21,600 specifically Louvian logo grounds, which is language. If it's language, 1153 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,199 and if it's Louvian, you can't put it in the Neolithic. 1154 01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:30,319 You can't. So the only other alternative is to culturally 1155 01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:34,640 redate go Beckley Tepe, not to the Neolithic, but probably 1156 01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:38,000 to the Bronze Age, which, if you're using the conventional timeline, 1157 01:19:38,079 --> 01:19:43,239 moves go Beckley Tepe seven thousand years. Well, those seven 1158 01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:46,800 thousand years probably didn't really exist in the biblical timeframe, 1159 01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,760 but in their mind it does. And so how do 1160 01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,920 you do that? Well, they they don't like it when 1161 01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:56,159 you move revise timeframes around they I mean they had 1162 01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,359 they had a pretty pretty harsh disagreement with David Role, 1163 01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,239 who try to revise Egyptian chronology and just move it 1164 01:20:03,279 --> 01:20:06,520 two hundred years, and they wouldn't accept it. 1165 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like two three years. 1166 01:20:08,399 --> 01:20:12,840 Speaker 3: So I happened to lean towards David Roll's work on Egyptian, 1167 01:20:13,159 --> 01:20:17,000 on the Revised Egyptian Chronology. I cited him in the book. 1168 01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:22,319 I think he's done a wonderful job. But look, you know, 1169 01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,880 is he right? I think he probably perhaps is right. 1170 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,239 But this part of archaeology, we just keep digging until 1171 01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:30,520 more information and data comes out of the ground, until 1172 01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:35,600 we actually can put some hard data on it, empirical 1173 01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,640 evidence that says okay, this is now, we know, we're 1174 01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,840 sure this is it, and we just don't know enough 1175 01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,159 information yet come out of go Beckley Tepe. But you know, 1176 01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:48,840 I think David Roll's theory is good. Others don't and 1177 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,039 they follow, you know, someone else's work on that, and 1178 01:20:52,079 --> 01:20:57,199 that's fine. I'm open to reading both, you know, I'm open. 1179 01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,319 But I do sid David Roll's work in the book 1180 01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:06,720 because I think he's he comes closest to to to 1181 01:21:07,079 --> 01:21:11,680 the biblical timeframe of the Egyptian timeline. And look, he's 1182 01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:16,039 not even a Christian. He's probably an agnostic at best 1183 01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:18,319 from my understanding, and he's the only one saying the 1184 01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:22,399 story and the Old Testament about the Exodus is true 1185 01:21:23,079 --> 01:21:28,000 just looking at archaeology, which I found absolutely fascinating. I 1186 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,359 would love to sit down and talk with him. You know, 1187 01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,520 I think you can have a great conversation with people 1188 01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:39,560 like David Roll because you're going to hear things that 1189 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,920 you're not probably not going to hear before, and you've 1190 01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,279 got to consider all these things. And that's all I 1191 01:21:45,319 --> 01:21:47,800 ask with this book is just have a hearing to 1192 01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:53,479 make it consideration and and see, you know, if our 1193 01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:57,640 theory really is is going to pan out. And my 1194 01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:03,279 prediction is, guys, is that they do more excavations along 1195 01:22:03,319 --> 01:22:08,560 the way. I think Louvian logograms, these anatolin and hieroglyphics 1196 01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,279 are going to get confirmed. I think they're going to 1197 01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:14,399 find more in these louvi and linguists are going to 1198 01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,920 come out and go, guys, this is no question. Now 1199 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,840 this is Louvian. And if it's Louvian, you can't put 1200 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,239 it in the Neolithic. And I explain why it looks 1201 01:22:23,279 --> 01:22:26,800 stone Age? Why does it look stone Age because there's 1202 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,720 no pottery there. Well, they say, if there's no pottery, 1203 01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,800 this is it's got to be stone Age. But does 1204 01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:37,159 it They're using the natural resources around them. What do 1205 01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:39,159 you got? You got a lot of stone. You don't 1206 01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:40,960 have a lot of clay for pottery, but you got 1207 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:42,399 a lot of stone. So what do you work with? 1208 01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,720 You've worked with stone. You could also there's a possibility 1209 01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,159 of whiteware, but whiteware wouldn't hold up over this long 1210 01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:52,079 of time. It would disintegrate and dissolve over this much 1211 01:22:52,079 --> 01:22:54,359 of time. But you do have a lot of stone, 1212 01:22:54,399 --> 01:22:56,800 and we do see a lot of stone vessels, and 1213 01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:59,359 we do know that they were you know they were 1214 01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,000 they were harvesting that wild weed out in the plains 1215 01:23:02,039 --> 01:23:04,840 of Iran. They were harvested in the grains, they were 1216 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,279 harvest in the barley. They were making beer with that barley. 1217 01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,560 They had these big ritualistic feastings and it was just 1218 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:22,159 a very natural, plentiful resource of food grains. Antelope. 1219 01:23:22,399 --> 01:23:26,560 Speaker 2: They were having an air got trip in time in 1220 01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:29,000 Eve's womb at night, weren't they. 1221 01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,800 Speaker 3: Well, they probably only did that when someone died. They 1222 01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:35,359 would probably only you know, why do I say that. 1223 01:23:35,359 --> 01:23:37,359 I think they used that as sacred space. They wouldn't 1224 01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,479 use it all the time. It was a sacred space. 1225 01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,199 Why because some of the floors and the walls were plastered. 1226 01:23:43,239 --> 01:23:46,000 We see evidence of plaster at go Beckley Tepe, which 1227 01:23:46,199 --> 01:23:49,119 which is burnt crushed line. They took lime, burned it, 1228 01:23:49,279 --> 01:23:51,399 crushed it, burned it. You got to get it up 1229 01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,520 to a temperature, mix it and slurry. You plastered that 1230 01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:59,800 thing out and it gives you a really nice aesthetic look. 1231 01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:03,920 But it can waterproof your walls, your floors. It separates 1232 01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:08,039 that space and it's a special place. It's reserved as 1233 01:24:08,079 --> 01:24:09,800 a sacred space. So I don't think they would go 1234 01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,399 in there all the time. But when they did, it 1235 01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,239 was for a reason. I think this is part of 1236 01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:19,199 the regeneration theory of of so you they could make 1237 01:24:19,239 --> 01:24:22,600 sure that you made it back into the afterlife through 1238 01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:26,000 the veneration of those ancestors through those stones. It all 1239 01:24:26,039 --> 01:24:31,399 sounds very foreign to us, but in and I think 1240 01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:35,239 in their mindset, uh, until we get harder data, I 1241 01:24:35,279 --> 01:24:38,399 think this is a really good theory about the intent 1242 01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:43,520 for Go Beckley Tepe and and the anthropomorphic morphic images 1243 01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:48,039 and the zomorphic images and the totaism on these stones. 1244 01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:50,920 And we just we just try to lay it all 1245 01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,199 out and uh, and the best way we can. But look, 1246 01:24:53,239 --> 01:24:55,479 this is the first book I think on Go Beckley 1247 01:24:55,520 --> 01:25:01,800 Tepe that gives you a biblical perspective about what they 1248 01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,439 were doing at the site and why they were doing it. 1249 01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,920 But what they were doing in these enclosures, I think 1250 01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:12,199 they were venerating their ancestors and they were deifying at 1251 01:25:12,319 --> 01:25:15,680 least two deities, and that is the moon, God and 1252 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:16,239 the bullgun. 1253 01:25:19,279 --> 01:25:22,039 Speaker 5: Well, why don't you tell everybody where they can follow 1254 01:25:22,079 --> 01:25:23,119 you find the book? 1255 01:25:24,279 --> 01:25:26,960 Speaker 4: You know, this is your shameless plug right here. 1256 01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:31,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can find the book on Amazon. It's 1257 01:25:33,399 --> 01:25:36,279 it released towards the end of December it's brand new. 1258 01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,159 It ran number one in the release on Amazon in 1259 01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:45,199 three categories in archaeology number one, prehistory number one, Ancient 1260 01:25:45,279 --> 01:25:51,279 Knowledge number one, and so we're very excited to get 1261 01:25:51,319 --> 01:25:54,720 the book out finally to the public. You can go 1262 01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:59,039 to my website Aaron Judkins dot com. Everything's linked up there, 1263 01:26:00,079 --> 01:26:08,960 all my work and past books, radio, TV, whatever. It's 1264 01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:14,239 all centralized there at Aaron Judkins dot com. And you 1265 01:26:14,279 --> 01:26:20,399 can go to Patreon Ancient Pathways at Patreon, and I 1266 01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,840 got a lot of free content up there for just 1267 01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,079 free members. 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But we would appreciate you know, 1278 01:27:00,039 --> 01:27:04,560 any comments, comments, feedbacks from the book we've gotten five 1279 01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:10,319 five star reviews so far, and we thank people for 1280 01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,439 taking the time to go back and doing that. And 1281 01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,880 we would ask said, if you enjoyed the book, if 1282 01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,720 you learn something from it, if you recommend it, go 1283 01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,399 back to Amazon and just give us a review and 1284 01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:23,880 tell us what you liked about it. So that would 1285 01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:25,119 really help help the book. 1286 01:27:28,079 --> 01:27:30,520 Speaker 5: Well, thank you again so much for coming on with us. 1287 01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,920 We missed jud obviously, but yeah, thank you so much 1288 01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:35,000 for coming on with us. 1289 01:27:35,039 --> 01:27:37,520 Speaker 4: And yeah, here it is, by the way, I appreciate 1290 01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:38,119 you haven't. 1291 01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:42,279 Speaker 3: Seen it yet. There's those two central pillars. You see 1292 01:27:42,319 --> 01:27:45,960 the person. This is the representation of the spirit person 1293 01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,279 about to pass through the stones back up to the light, 1294 01:27:49,359 --> 01:27:52,199 up to the heavens. So this is this is it 1295 01:27:52,279 --> 01:27:56,520 right here. So we're just we're really excited that the 1296 01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:01,039 cover was really turned down grade and and it's just 1297 01:28:01,119 --> 01:28:06,319 full of color images and things in here. So this 1298 01:28:06,359 --> 01:28:09,720 is a color version of the book. There's a lot 1299 01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,199 of water color paintings that I had an artist do 1300 01:28:13,239 --> 01:28:15,880 for me. I'll show you. I'll show you one of 1301 01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,680 them here, So this is all. This isn't color, so 1302 01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,720 you can see it. You see the anthropomorphic image there 1303 01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,720 that's actually a stone found at go Beckley Tepe. And 1304 01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:28,640 then we get into the chronology of the book. I'll 1305 01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:34,600 show you the chronology timeline right here and there. It 1306 01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,359 is right there, so it's all in color, so it 1307 01:28:37,399 --> 01:28:39,680 just gives you a good, good visual so as you're 1308 01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:44,359 reading the book you can you can see these color images. Unfortunately, 1309 01:28:44,359 --> 01:28:46,680 they don't print color for Australia, so you can't order 1310 01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:51,680 it in Australia or Japan anyway. 1311 01:28:52,359 --> 01:28:55,439 Speaker 5: Well, again, like I said, appreciate you brother very much 1312 01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:57,600 for coming on and giving us your insight. 1313 01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:02,119 Speaker 4: And yeah, as always, everybody out there. 1314 01:29:03,119 --> 01:29:06,479 Speaker 2: He