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been for you four seasons of this. I should I
should say, but I'm excited to talk about what we're
going to talk about tonight.
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Speaker 2: Dear kind, gracious Heavenly Father, thank you today. Thank you
for the mean blessed that you've given us. Thank You
for this time together for fellowship and just unwind and
also to dig through your word and your your treasures.
And we're just thankful for these brilliant men that have
joined us today and blessed us with their time and
their presence to talk about some of the gold nuggets
that you revealed to them. And we're just really appreciative
for your revelations for these men and them given their
time to us today. And we just pray that those
that need to hear this for some validation or to
sharpen their swords, to defend their faith, or just scratch
that knowledge each they got whither. We pray those people
hear this message today and our words beautifying, and we're
just thankful for the blood of Jesus Christ. And Amen, Amen.
Speaker 5: Amen, Well, today we are blessed with Like I said,
the Maverick archaeologist with us, doctor Aaron Judkins, bring a
lot of knowledge to this space and give us a
lot of insight into many different things that we've had
the mind before in the past. And the knowledge there
is pretty amazing. But they've just written a book together
on go Beckley Tape and doctor Judkins, why don't you
jump in and tell us just a little bit about
your book and what motivated you guys to write that,
and then we'll dive we'll dive in a little further,
a little deeper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well, you know this book is about a
site in southeastern Turkey called go Beckley Tepe. And about
five six years ago Jud and I really started looking
at this pretty hard. And I asked Jud, I said, hey,
you know, would you be interested in co writing the
book with me on this? But? Uh, you know, I said,
I had said no several times. I had a guy
that had asked me several times. His name's Roger, lives
up in Canada, has followed my work for years, and
he said, doctor Judkins, you got to look you know,
have you looked at go back Lay Tape. I said,
I know about it. I referenced it my in one
of my early books called Alien Agenda The Return of
the Nepheline back in twenty twelve. So I had heard
about it, but I hadn't really considered it. And so
I started taking another look at it. And what I
had thought was an idea of what I thought it
was was not. I was totally wrong about what I
thought it was because I hadn't studied it. I just
thought maybe it was related to, you know, a ceremonial
site related to Noah's Ark, because it was in the region,
hundreds of miles away, but still within the region, and
so you know, had animals, you know, carved into the stones,
and so I just said, well, it's just an ancient site,
probably dedicated to the to the memorial of the flood
and Noah's Ark and all this. So I didn't really
put a lot of time and our effort into it initially.
And then when I started to take another look at it,
I quickly realized that all my preconceptions about the site
had been had been wrong. And so I started digging
in further to to try to understand what this what
this site was, and unfortunately, there was no one single
source where you could just pull all this information together,
and so, man, it took me on a journey of
trying to dig and find this little nuggets here and
there and piece those together, and you know, hunting down
sources and reading books and articles and journals and anything
I could to try to understand what was happening at
the side, and it just it was a big puzzle.
And so this is this is how the journey really
started for me.
Speaker 4: That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 5: Now I want to ask one question, and I'm gonna
be honest, in one hundred percent transparent. I'm stealing this
from your last interview because I think it's so important.
I actually listened to your interview with at Gilbert and
absolutely love Derek, you know, obviously friend of the show
and just an amazing individual. But when we talk about
these things, and I mean, you can look at this
in a broad spectrum. We're talking about go back to
the tap ay to night. You could talk about so
many other historical sites. You could talk about Petra, you
could talk about a lot of these other amazing places
you've been.
Speaker 4: You know, error at.
Speaker 5: Why I guess I guess the best the best way
to say this, And Derek kind of put it this way.
He goes explain to us and to our listeners, because
this is so important. Why looking into this stuff is
so important for a Bible believing Christian. You know, so
many people want to say, hey, you know, it's it's
it's my faith, it's only this, It's only that. Why
are we looking into these other things? Why does that
matter to us as Christians?
Speaker 3: Well, you asked a great question, and I think the
best answer for that, you know, why is it? Why
does it matter to me? Why is it important? Well,
the scripture says there's nothing new under the sun. And
you know, if we don't learn from the past, we
tend to repeat the same mistakes. And you know, and
and I think if if we don't understand the biblical perspective,
that the historicity of the Old Testament is true. And
although we don't have you know, every every single thing
that's ever been you know, said in the Old Testament
discovered in archaeology. A lot has been confirmed in archaeology
that relates to the Bible, whether that's the Old Testament
or the New Testament. Uh. And that's including sources outside
of the Bible or outside of the biblical land of Israel.
So this is one of those places. It's Biblical Asian Minor,
which is now in Turkey. The modern translation, or I
guess the modern day pronunciation of Turkey now is Turkey A.
And so judge tends to say Turkey A. We we
change that spelling in the book, but it's the same thing.
And so it's important because the rocks are crying out
of the ground that confirm biblical historicity. And I think
this is one of those sites in Southeast Turkey that
confirm what the Bible has said about man coming up
out of the flood, you know, post ice age. We
don't have a whole lot of you know, details in
there from the from the scripture, but we do know that,
uh that you know, people dispersed about the time of
the Tower of Babel and then they spread out. And
I think this is one of these early sites in
Southeast Turkey that explain this, this this context that the
Bible is talking about when it says that the people dispersed.
And so I think this is why it's important, because
if we can understand what happened, uh, from an archaeological
site back then, it actually rings true today. What they
were doing there is still ringing true today, and it
affects It affects how we how we how we see
the world. It affects our perspective, but it gives us
a clear understanding about what I call the policy of
evil that's waxing worse in the earth and because of
that policy of evil where we know that's heading. This
is part of the very very beginnings of that story.
And if we know, if we know that, then I
think we can understand how that affects us today and
then how we can counteract.
Speaker 4: It, no doubt about it. Now, that's to go along
the same lines.
Speaker 5: I think it also gives you that apologetic look, right,
because we want to you know, it says and we
say this verse pretty much every show about something. But
first Peter three point fifteen says, right, always be able
to have a reason for the hope that you have.
So if I'm sitting there and I'm called, you know,
and I have just my faith, and I say, yeah,
I believe this one hundred percent. But I have somebody
who's a skeptic come to me, and I can say, well,
look at this, look at this, look at this. God
calls us to by faith alone. But he has given
us so much proof, so many things, archaeological proof all
around the world that points to the truth. And I
think when you uncover things like this, when you go
to places like this and you bring this to the
public eye, people see that it just only it only
validates it only strengthens my faith, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point. It's called evidential apologetics, while
it's not needed for people who are already of faith,
like ourselves. In other words, I don't need to find
Noah's Ark to believe in my faith anymore. I don't
have to have Noah's Ark. It's not necessary for me
to believe in my faith more than I do already.
Would it embolden my faith? Sure? Would it help someone
change their mind just leaning on the fence, Hey, I
need to reconsider this? Yes? So I think that's important
because evidential apologetics is about that. It's about empirical evidence.
And if you can use empirical evidence to show some
who may say, well you know, okay, it's what you believe, Well,
it's a belief based in evidential apologetics, which apologetics just
means a defense of the faith. But there's evidence. I
don't like to use the word proof. I like to
use the word confirm because I think it confirms these
passages in the Old Testament. For instance, we see that
for years archaeologists said that the hit Tites never existed,
but yet the Bible has mentioned the hit Tites forty
seven times, and it wasn't until later that evidence for
the hit Tites was actually found. They found the entire culture.
They just had missed it. And then when you go
to the museum and anchor, the whole museum is filled
with Hittite artifacts. So it's it's it's important because now
we have evidence of the head of the hit Tites.
And this is true throughout you know, many many places
named cities, people, battles that's occurred, that's been confirmed in archaeology,
and that's why archaeology is important. You know, this is
why the Deadsi Scrolls are the greatest archaeological find that
stands to this day. And this is discovered in nineteen
forty seven. But what the Deadsi Scrolls did was it
was it confirmed the veracity of your Old Testament scriptures
word for word, and it put push that that text
back in time. Because we don't have the originals. We
have copies of copies of copies. But then someone says, well,
those copies are just messed up and how we how
do we know, Well, it's because of the deadI Scrolls.
When you go back, the Dead Sea Scrolls actually push
the oldest text back of the scripture back one thousand
years further in time. So the oldest that we had
at the time was the Elepo Codex. Now we have
the Dead Sea Scrolls, and they're they push it back
a thousand years more in time. And the Great Isaiah Scroll,
which I have a copy here in my home, was
found completely intact, completely intact, and of course it's certain
in Hebrew. But when you when you transliterated over to
the to the to the Greek, and then to the English,
it's it's the same the Isaiah, the Book of Isaiah
from the Dead Sea Scroll to your version. Now depending
on what version of you know what if you're reading
the King James versus the Revised or the English Standard,
et cetera. But it's it's essentially a word for word,
it's unchanged, and so we have a reliability of the
text that's been confirmed in the Dead Sea Scrolls. That's
just one example, but that's one of the greatest examples
because we can say this was not made up by
people who just wanted to invent a new religion. It
wasn't made up because the people who wrote the Dead
Sea Scrolls were not Christians. This is pre Christianity and
so we see that every book of the Old Testament
has been confirmed, with the exception of the Book of
Esther and the multiple copies of the Torah. Multiple copies
of Psalms Isaiah have been discovered. Now a lot of
them are in fragments, but the Great Isaiah Scroll was
completely intact. So it's a wonderful thing when archaeology comes
to light. And of course I was part of the
team that excavated Dead Sea Scroll Cave twelve in Kumran
in twenty seventeen and we discovered new material cultural evidence
that points it back to the Second Temple period at
the same time when the Dead Sea Scrolls were written,
and so we found evidence of Dead Sea Scroll cave
fragments where they used to house some Dead Sea scrolls,
and so we found remnants of those things. Matter of fact,
our cave was the first documented cave ever out of
the eleven original caves. Ours was the first cave to
have a scroll, although it was a small scroll to
be documented inside a scroll jar. So that's interesting. A
lot of people don't know that. But Roland de Vaux
only sated formally for the case because it was a
race against the battle Ones at the time who eventually
found out how much a scroll was worth, and so
there was no you know, antiquity control like there is now,
so a lot of those were being sold on the
on the black market. So yeah, it's interesting, interesting, even
the spiritual warfare.
Speaker 2: You know, the timing of those that finding was just
amazing to me because, like you said that they were
discovered in forty seven, but it was just a few
months prior that those nag Hamadi, those Gnostic texts were
found down there in Egypt, and that the whole world
news was, you know, oh Jesus uh is caught kissing Mary,
and oh there's this, and there's all these changes. Your
Bible is not trustworthy, you know, and all this stuff
that was that was what was making you know, headline
news everywhere. And then it was kind of like, you know,
God was like no, no, no, no, out here, let me
show you this. It's just a few months later we
found these scrolls.
Speaker 3: Right. There was a big push by the Gnostics Uh
to to the wart the very beginnings of the Church
in the first century. As a matter of fact, Paul
the Apostle. Paul states that the spirit of the Antichrist
was at work in his day, and it was already
coming against the Church. And this was this was evidence
in in gnosticism, where they tried to blend New Age
roots with Christianity. It says, well, your Christian faith isn't
really Christian, it's blended from a Gnostic blend of other
spiritual beliefs. And that's not that's not true at all.
So there was a big push, even in Paul's time, UH,
to to stop the very foundations of the Church. And
we see it in many other cases too. But but
this is this is what I love about archaeology, because
you know, new things are coming out of the ground
all the time that confirm the biblical historicity of the text.
And in most most times these finds are not are
not by archaeologists, thereby just normal people, farmers who are
out and about and who find and this is how
they found. This is how they discovered go Beckley Tepe.
I mean it was misidentified in the sixties as a
Byzantine cemetery. But then later uh farmer was plowing the
field hit a big, you know, big rock. He saw
that it had been hand hewn and and and cut
and and and so he you know, he tried to
pull that thing out of the ground. He couldn't do it.
He finally realized that it was two bigs, two masses.
So we called, you know, some of the archaeologists in,
and they called Klaus Sman in, who happened to just
finish up an excavation. He was the one who actually
started the excavations that go back. We tap you back
in the nineties.
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Speaker 3: Of us, h and and so and and and Klaus
immediately recognized that it was not a Byzantine cemetery, something
totally different.
Speaker 5: Now that's a great segue. You just put right there
you line that up perfectly. He brought, he brought the
he's bringing the ship into into the dock there. But
you're in doctor Burton's book Decoding Go Beckley Tepe, Biblical
Anatolia and the Watchers. Now, I love anything.
Speaker 4: Anytime I hear the Watchers, I get excited.
Speaker 5: I'll just be honest that that's just something going back.
We've done whole studies on Enoch and looking through you
know what Daniel Ten tells us things of that nature,
so you see that in action in the scriptures as well.
But I'd like you to kind of go through and
tell us, I guess a basic overview at first of
what is the significance of go Beckley tap or go
Beckley tape?
Speaker 4: And and and what was it used for?
Speaker 3: This is you know an area that that that Jed
really gets in into the book. But I think we
just we we just lost his connection on the on
the show.
Speaker 2: So he may message me and said that he's having
really bad internet issues.
Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to figure affected me too, So so what's
this what what's the significance of go Beckley tape? Well,
when when Klaus Schmidt realized it was not a Byzantine cemetery.
Uh he he quickly realized that he thought it was Neolithic,
which is before the you know, before the invention of pottery,
pre pottery Neolithic A P P and a N A
uh and uh. So as he began to excavate initially
and look at it took him ten years to excavate
an enclosure d alone. So now they've excavated several of
these enclosures, but there's about twenty still buried under the ground.
This is a big twenty acre side and so a
lot of these are still buried under the ground unexcavated.
But what's his significance? Once they realized the that these
you know, go Beckley Tepe, if it's Stone Age Neolithic,
there was a there was a big surprise for them
because here you have monumental megalithic structures in stone that's
not supposed to be there. And because of that, it
really baffled them because this is not expected. This was
something that Stone Age man was not supposed to be
able to do. Yet you have an organization of labor,
a division of labor, you have people coming together. It's
estimated that probably at least five hundred men that would
take to build go Beckley Tepe. Of course they think
it was occupied for at least a thousand years, maybe more.
But the purpose of the site is interesting because that's
the big question, what was the purpose of it? And
as I begin to research for the book, I kind
of really honed in on Enclosure D because an Enclosure
D you have those two central t pillar columns that
are eighteen and a half foot tall and they're anthropomorphic,
which means that they're human like, no face, but they
have arms wrapping around in the navel. They have a belt,
they have a fox belt, loincloth, and they're anthropomorphic. They're huge,
eighteen and a half foot tall. So I wanted to
know what those were and why why are they built
so huge? But they're monolithic, they're they're they're cut and
dressed out of a single piece of limestone that was
quarried one quarter of a mile away from the side
uphill and then set up, you know, carved and then
set up in position. Uh. This is not an easy
task and it really baffled archaeologists, so that you have
the very beginnings of megalithic architecture at the site by
Stone Age people who uh are not supposed to have
this kind of knowledge or you know, technology to be
able to do this. So it's really a it was
a very big surprise for archaeologist what doctor Burton says,
it's a paradigm that's changing. The paradigm why because uh,
it's exactly the opposite of how textbooks teach, you know,
the cultural evolution of man, which which I don't hold
to that paradigm. And go Beckley Tepe is a great,
great example of that because in the textbooks it says
that you know this, this what the way civilization evolved
was that people got together. You know, they they started
cultivating the grains and the wheat and and and they
they began to settle. They had the sedentary life. Because
of that, they formed communities and then you know, cities
and towns. They then they walled up you know, their
defenses and and and uh to protect themselves or food
and and then and then after all that, then you
have religion that comes into play because you got people
and and then so religion comes last. Go Beckley Tepe says, no,
religion came first before all that. And this is where
Judd and I come in on this, because we say, uh,
we we are hypothesizing that Go beckley Tepe has brought
them together for a religious ideology first, and then they
came together and built Go beckley Tepe because they had
a common religious ideology that was embedded in their cosmology.
And so what I like to do is is, you know,
try to try to widen out the lens a little
bit and figure out what's you know, what's the general
context of the area. And so once I started doing this,
I started looking at regional science around Go beckley Tepe.
Nevali Chori was one of the very first ones. Kerahan
Tepe Katahulick was another one. And although this was a
little bit conventional on the conventional timeline, it's it's post
quebecley Tepe. But this chattle Hulick is very well documented,
it's excavated, it's been published. They know at least ten
thousand people probably lived at that site. But they shared
a commonality and there were religious ideology and in their architecture,
and so we see similar t column pillar sites around
this region. It's not isolated at Go beckley Tepe, and
they all have something that they're sharing a common architecture,
but in their iconography it's very similar anthropomorphic t pillar images,
stone heads, headless, phallic images. A lot of phallic images.
Speaker 2: On tape is loaded. I mean they've around it full
of just standing.
Speaker 3: And so so back to your question, Steve, was, uh,
what was the intent of go Beckley Tepe? And from
what archaeologists has been able to put together so far,
they say, well, you know, well class met said it
was a a temple site. Now, archaeologists don't like to
use the word temple. They won't use the word temple
because it points to religion and it's you know it,
so they're not going to use that word. And I
get it. Uh, you know, they're trying to stay objective
and and and that, and it should but uh, but
I think Klaus was was was right in his beginning,
very beginning thoughts that go Beeckley Tape held a religious
commonality for them to build that site. It was based
off a religious idea. And so whether you call it
a temple or not, people lived at the site. They
first thought, no, they didn't live there. They came and
they went. Now they know that they lived at the site.
They found hundreds of grinding stones, pestles and mortars. Of
course they're stone vessels. Word just came out just recently
that a complete was found at kraahan Tepe, complete with
two ovens, stone ovens, stone vessels, and and and it's
just like they they left it. So something was happening
in this region, but they were all connected through architecture
and through this cosmology that they shared a very similar belief.
And so the intension now UH turns when you when
you investigate the site through uh through this perspective of, Okay,
what is the commonality here, why is there common architecture,
what's happening in the area. And so that's where I
really come in to take a wider lens of the
region and try to discover what they were doing and
who they were and why they were there, and this
all these questions about what the intention was. And I
think that after five years of reach or should not,
have finally come to a reasonable, you know, hypothesis on
what they were doing at the site.
Speaker 5: Now that ties in really well with one of doctor
Burton's theories that I've heard before is that his idea
was a tower of Babel was actually not where mainstream
archaeology would would have told us more or less, but
he thinks it's down closer in the area that is
Turkey is where it was originated. So it would make
sense that if we're seeing the first early culture's post
Tower of Babel that would have similar structures before they
went out further, it would be all in that area.
Speaker 4: Does that I mean? Is that track by what you
guys believe?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know Judd and Derek Gilbert and
others have done some really had work on on the
Tower of Babbel site. And you know this is this
is not the Er of Iraq. We're we're talking about
the er of southeastern Turkey. This is near the side
of go Beckley Tepe, near modern day Shimler, for it's
about nine miles away. Uh. It's biblical Edessa. This is
where Abraham when he grew up as Abraham, he lived
in this area. His father was named Tara and Tara
Uh and the people in that region all worshiped the
same deity, and that was the Moon God. And so
we see that that the Moon God is venerated not
only in this area along the plains of of Haran,
but uh in in Uh. Sites that were contemporaneous with
go Beckley Tepe, such as Jericho they worshiped the moon God.
There other sites such as sogment Tar they they venerated
the moon God. And so yeah, this is this is
one of my questions that I tried to answer, was well, uh,
who were these people and where do you place them
from the from the story of of you know, from
the timeframe of the of the flood coming out of
the flood tower Babbel. Where where would you put put
them at? And I wrestled with this for a long time,
but I think you put it post tower of Babel.
Why do I say that is because uh, post Tower Babel,
you have the confusion of the languages that happened. You
have a lot of things happening in this timeframe. But
one of the things is that you have is a
scattering uh, and you have a a diversion of tongues
and people begin to go there, you know, according to
how you could understand you know, your language, you would
just you would you would have to go with the
people that that could understand you. And I think that
we see evidence of language at go Beckley Tepe. And
this is another hypothesis I'm putting forth is that there's
I think there's evidence of Anatolian hieroglyphics at go Beckley Tepe,
and if that's true, Go Beckley Tepe is perhaps not
Neolithic at all, it's it would culturally redate it. Anatolian
hieroglyphics are are based in a language called called the Luvians,
who were contemporaneous with the Hittites. Siluvians had a language
that they used. They had two formal languages that they used.
One was called the logogram, and the logogram was basically
one word represents an idea. The Hittites adopted this Alluvian
logogram into their culture, but the logograms were hieroglyphic in
that a picture represented a word, so you could you know.
They reserved this type of language for formal documentation on Stone,
probably to record a ritual or ceremony, but it was
a formal written language just in Stone. They didn't use
it any time else. It was just you know, you
have limited space and you want to make the use
of your space, so you can't just write out a
whole bunch of stuff, So logograms were perfect for that.
And so if this is language, then I think then
we get back to the question of who the people
were at go Beckley Tepe and then it you know,
and then and then from that perspective you can kind
of piece together maybe who they were and and and
based on the on the language theory model of loving
logo gramds, this is not supposed to be there. You
can't push that. You can't push that language back that
far in time. Not uh, they date goe Beckley Tepe
at about ninety six hundred BC. But if you go
with the biblical chronologies that either through the genealogies using
the Masoretic text or or or the septuagent timelines, I
don't I don't see how you can really get back
that far from a biblical timeline chronology perspective. So I
took two timelines, which was the Masoretic text and the
septuagen and to try to figure out where go back
to a tape would land on those timelines biblically, and
it doesn't come out to ninety six hundred BC. So
so you either have to push that language back seven
thousand years, which you know it's just not going to happen,
or that time needs to come forward and that seven
thousand years isn't really there. Now that's that's kind of
bizarre because you have most most archaeologists who believe in
the secular timeline of the chronologies, which you know, and
even you know, even Christian Christian archaeologist or Biblical archaeologists,
you know, have a have a longer Earth viewpoint. Doctor
Burton does. And uh so I happen to come at
it from a perspective of a young Earth. But uh
I think because of because of you know, where you
put go Beckley Tepe. It determines you know who the
people were at the site. And so I think this
is these are important questions to look at when you're
trying to decide you know where to put them, And
I think you put them after the Tower of Babel
because of the language. And this is after the scattering.
You got the diverse languages that's coming out. And if
this is Louvian logograms or anatoly In hieroglyphics, this is
where you would put it. So I've got it, you know,
I've got it. I've got a chronology chart in the
back of the book that that you can visually look
at both timelines, the subtugent timeline and the masoretic text.
And I think you would be surprised at where you
go go Beckley, tepe Lands, big Pailer.
Speaker 2: And for those that's not aware, doctor Aaron Jenkins has
written another book called Guardians of Go Beckley and that
was a great book. Highly recommend you check it out.
But you had to propose some ideas in there that
I found fascinating when I first got exposed to them.
And you were talking about the two huge tea pillars
and how they were so much taller, and you mentioned
this just a few moments ago, but there's also like
smaller tea pillars gathered around them, and like you said,
it's got the hands on the belly and the bell
and it's kind of like they're like gazing down, you know,
kind of like the whole Yeah, you know, when the
gods walked amongst men, you know, and the giants, and
it's kind of like even like with church, you know,
you have these crucifixes, the Virgin Mary, these towering you
know figures that look down upon the congregation or the people.
Was these huge pillars in the center like to represent
do you think the moon God or the sun and
the Moon God or just ancestor veneration type deal. What's
your opinions on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's the first thing that captured my attention
was those anthropomorphic pillars and enclosure d because they're so tall.
They're eighteen and a half foot tall, no face, but
they got these arms.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I had a guy reach out and he goes, hey,
what do you think about you know what, it looks
like a belt. They're wearing a belt. I said, that's
not a belt, you know, so it looks like a
belt that they're artistic motisa, that's not a belt. Well
I was wrong. They're belts because they're they're wearing fox
pelt loincloths, both of them. And so when I realized
I was wrong on that, I said, those are belts
and those are fox pelt loincloths in the front that
they're wearing. So man, I started digging in and uh,
you just go back to to an earlier thing that
you said was that I had written a book called
Guardians of Go Becle. That book is no longer available
because Decoding go Beckley Tepe now is the is the
is the revised version of Guardians of Go Beckley Tepe.
So that's the that's the updated uh content material. With
with doctor Burton. Uh So Guardians is no longer in print.
But but look, these two anthropomorphic images were very intriguing.
And as I said earlier, there was no central source
where I could just go and find out this information.
I mean not. It took me years years of research
to pull this all together into a single source. And
I've footnoted and referenced everything. A lot of a lot
of these sources are secular sources that I footnoted in here.
But look, when you start looking at the at the region. Okay,
so you know this is how I solved the Lost
Lunis mystery Stone in New Mexico. It's got this ancient
Paleo Hebrew out there on a big eighty ten boulder.
It's called the Decalogue Stone. It's got the bridge version
of the Ten Commandments. It's isolated, and I made multiple
trips out there in twenty twelve over a period of
a year or so. But how I saw that was
I took a step back and looked at the region
and context. Now this is the same approach that I
took it go Beckley Tepe I said, Okay, let me
widen out what I call the thirty five thousand foot
view approach and let me see what's happening in the area.
So I saw a common nulody in the architecture. I
saw similar t pillar sites around go Beckley Tepe. I
saw the same iconography of the animals, vultures, serpents. This
a lot of phallic images, headless phallic images, anthropomorphic images,
faceless stones, stones with faces. And so the one thing
that got my attention was that up on the neck
area of these two anthropomorphic images on western pillar thirty
one was the image of a bull with horns. On
each eastern pillar eighteen, which is an enclosure D it's
an emblem iconography of a crescent moon. It's got a
disc of it. And then right above that it looks
like an English H. It's not the letter H, but
it looks like that. So that's the best way I
can describe it. And then on another stone in one
of the enclosures, there was a clear emblem for a
logogram that that we knew of a loving logogram, and
it was just the logogram for Deus, and Deus in
Latin is God. And this is a very clear symbol
logogram which is anatoline hieroglyphic this logogram for Deus, which
is God, and underneath it was the logogram which was
this logo raum logogram that that stood for house or place.
So here you have a problem meaning on this one
stone alone house or temple or place of the gods
and so well what was the images on the anthropomorphic
to central pillars and enclosure day, these eighteen and a
half foot tall faceless stones that are staring down at you. Well,
there's logograms for that and the logogram. Now a lot
of the logograms aren't deciphered, but hundreds are. There's hundreds
that are not. And there's just a few people who
are expert in Lluvian logogram. And I'm really surprised that
some of the linguists have not come out yet on
this about go Beckley tepe. But look, if I'm right,
these are logograms. The logograms on western pillar thirty one
as a logogram for the bull. That's an easy one, right,
You got the image of the bull with horns.
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Speaker 3: On eastern pillar eighteen, you have an iconography of the
crescent moon about where the neck is. And when I
started doing the research on in the logograms about what
this was, then it suddenly became a little bit clearer
when you're looking at it in terms of the logo grounds,
but also when you look at the Mesopotamian Sumerian culture
and particularly the Samerian language. It can help you identify
some of the cosmology and their words in their vocabulary.
And so there's a Sumerian linguistic connection that I write
about in the book that I think penpoints the identification
of these two pillars, and and I lay the foundation
out in the book. But I'll just I'll just talk
about one of them. One of them is is a
connection for Adam. And I'm just gonna I'm just gonna
look here, when when you're looking at the the Samerian pantheon,
that the very top deity of the sa Marian pantheon
was a god n a N. And when you break
it down in Samerian, A is the logogram which refers
back to the father or the ancestor, and it's pictured
by an Oxford bull. Now when you combine the A
with the which means father. Okay, so the A means
father or ancestor. But the picture of that is the bull.
So we see this actually in in paleo Hebrew. The
the the alaph in pale Hebrew, because it's pictographical, is
the picture of the of the ox which means strength
or you know, or strong. This is where we get
our English letter A from so when you combine it
with the the letter N for n. Okay. So we're
talking about the Samerian deity n so and is so
as father. But the N in Samerian would be to
lift up on high or to make highest. And when
you combine these two terms, it's the deity an to
lift up or make high. Now when you look at
this in the proto Caneiform script, you see that this
Sumerian word that is referring back to an ox or
a bull. And again this is on western pillar thirty
one with that iconography of the bull image up there.
When you combine the letter A and Sumerian which means father,
with the ox, which is the ama or am which
is the wild bull or the ox. Because you get
the image of the ox, it gives us a really
significant clue and that translates to the name of our
first ancestor, which is get this, it's Adama, which is
biblical Adam. Okay, So this is where we get the
father arc bull imagery from. They have, let me just
simplify this, They have deified their ancestor Adam. And the
way they have deified him was through the Sumerian bull
god and to lift up to make kai. What's interesting
is there's another tie to the sons of the Anechem.
When the children of Israel are going into the land,
that the sons of Anik are there, the sons of Anik,
the sons of n a n the sons of Anik
who were part of that Nephelene tribe. And then you
get into the Rapayim giants and all this. These are
the sons of Anik. They have deified their father Adam
as a god, and so they've done it in marrying pantheon,
they've done this and the deification. But in the veneration
of Western Pillar thirty one and enclosure d at Go
Beckley Tepe. So that pillar is a representation of Adam.
Now we don't have the face, we don't have the sexes.
But why do you need two central Monolithic stones covering
up their nekedness with fox pelt loincloths wearing belts. It
only makes sense familiar to the and to the back
into the original biblical narrative of Adam and Eve. They
have deified their original ancestors. And so we see that
Adam has been deified in the bull image. We know
that the people of the Neolithic was known as the
people of the Bull, and they have done something different.
They have taken they have taken the image of the
moon and they've deified that. But now they have taken
the image of the bull and they've deified that because
the bull is the strongest thing that's you know, it's
a powerful creature. And those ancient aroc bulls that used
to live in those ancient plains of Haran Break probably
stood nine foot at the shoulder. So if you take
one of them down, and probably take a dozen men
or more, take one of those creatures down, well, that
provides a lot of meat for your family, your community.
But they were very powerful creatures. So they have deified
the image of the bull as a power over the earth.
They've deified the image of the moon as in the
power over the heavens. So we see that there's a
veneration coming into play here at go back lay tape
with their ancestors and so the standing stones we see
all throughout Europe in the Middle Ages, there used to
be some fifty thousand standing stones. The most famous is
Stonehenge standing stone. They're called miners. Miners is a turn
broken down beween long stones or standing stones. Uh, there's
something happening there because these standing stones represent either ancestors
or that they have They are venerating their ancestors through
these stones. And this is why you have a lot
of stone imagery that is anthropomorphic. They're human like some
of them do have human faces that is carved into
these stones. We see earth man. It's uh, they found
it there in Chandlerfa dates back to the same time
as goebecley Tepe. And it's six foot tall and it's
a it's a full full stone statue of a person.
It's kind of got a V neck collar, a double
V neck collar. But uh, this is this is getting
back to the same imagery of the of the This
phallic imagery you we see especially at Kerahan Tepe. But
why would you need dead people with no heads to
have phallic images? Doesn't doesn't make sense when you look
at it that way. But if you look at it
through their cosmology, we see that when when when you
died or when your loved one died, they believed that
for you to be reborn, you had to go you
had to go through the to the underworld. You had
to go through the nether world and get reborn. But
you died souls, so yeah, so you you would go
through this process of dying in the underworld. But and
this all has to go back to this regeneration theory
we put out in the book that when you died,
you were regenerated, your spirit was regenerated, but first it
had to go through this death, you know, this this
period of death in the nether world before it gets
reborn back into the afterlife. And they were reborn into
the afterlife back to the heavens as a star god.
And so they believe that the only way you could
do that was through their ancestors Adam and Eve, who
they've deified. And so this is why you have some
of the skull fragments found at go Beckley Tepe where
they've repatriated part of the skulls. You don't need the
whole body, just a skull. And a lot of these
skull fragments have holes drilled in them, probably where they
could suspend them in the air. But look, there's a
big shadow play probably going on that these enclosures were
probably roofed with wooden poles, so it wouldn't be open
to the sky like we see it now to be
roofed and an enclosure d we see it a processional
way before you get into the main enclosure, and then
you see bench seating around there. It's we see stone
vessels that have shallow grooved channels cut into them, probably
for draining blood. Now, I'm not suggesting that they sacrificed
humans or animals there. We do know that they practice
ritualistic feasting, but they probably did have some kind of
a ritual or ceremony they were performing in there with
those skulls. And so if you want your ancestor to
be reborn back into the stars, into the eternal life,
back to your ancestors, who they've now deified as Adam
and Eve, then you've got to go through this process.
And I think that's what's happening at at go Beckley Tepe.
It's it's part of a regeneration theory that they would
be regenerated into the after life, back to the heavens
as a star god through the stones. But you would
have to you would have to repatriate part of those remains.
We see now that they found three human burials that
go backly Tepe and uh, a number of images. That's
very similar in Chattahoolik, where they deified the image of
the bull, they buried their loved ones under the floors
of their home and and so I think they were
doing something very similar. Matter of fact, they would paint
the skulls with red ochre paint. And this goes back
to the very imagery of Adam from the red dirt
man arises from the red clay, from the red earth,
and this is why you get the red ochre. I
think on on the on the that they found parts
of the red coloration that's left on the skulls. So
it's part of this regeneration theory that we see. And
this is what we're proposing in the book, that they
have deified their ancestors. Yes, and they're venerating their ancestors,
but they have deified these gods and uh. And so
these enclosures, I think they have probably done some some
some kind of ritual ceremonies in there. But look, when
you got firelight, you know inside these enclosures, and and
the and the light from your torch is lighting up
those eighteen and a half foot structures, it's gonna cast
shadows on the floor in the walls, and to and
to them, a shadow was a representation of a shade
or a spirit, and and and so when these shades,
these shadows start dancing and flickering on the sides of
the wall and the floor, they become spirits. And so
now they are entering a spirit world. Bit more specifically,
they have recreated this symbolic womb of Eve, because now
they're going to rebury you back into a womb, back
into the womb of Eve, so you can be reborn
as a spirit, as a as a as a star god.
But the only way to do that is back to
your mother Eve. And so go Beckley Tepe, at least
in part, represents a symbolic womb. We see go Beckley Tepe.
The very name means pregnant hill. Go Beckley Tepe Tepe
is a hill. Go Beckley means pregnant or pot bellied,
so literal translation is pregnant hill. And this is exactly
what we see. It's a symbology of the womb. So
we walk it out. We lay this foundation in the
book so you have an understanding of how we get there,
and we get into this marry linguistic connections and and all.
But there's an interesting site over in England called Avebury.
I may be pronouncing it wrong. I haven't been there,
but it's a it's a it's a one of the
largest megalithic stone sites in England. And there's an interesting
connection I think connects to go Beckley Tepe in the name.
A lot of archaeologists didn't understand what Avebury was. But
when you break down the name Avebury and Sumerian, suddenly
it became it becomes very clear. When you break down
that word barry b r Y in English, and you
break it down, you see that there's something happening regarding
to the death and the and the afterlife of that person.
And and and it has to do with this regeneration
of the dead. Berry is to is to you know, uh,
to to be you know, to to have the dad
be buried in a pit. But to them, uh, you
were being reborn back into the afterlife. And so you
get this, you get this this linguistic connection that this
their spirit is being regenerated through this crushing and this
this this fires of the nether world so they can
be reborn and then they're there and then they get
reborn back into the back to the heavens, but they
get reborn specifically getting back through Eve. And so when
you translate then the the the the old English of
a ve e of Burry, then then you have a
very clear linguistic connection. It is uh relates back to
a burial womb of Eve, which I think is interesting.
It's the the a remembrance of the burial practices that
is venerating Eve of berry Eve. And so it's I
think this is exactly what's happened back at go Beeckley Tepe.
And we see one chapter nine, there's a whole chapter
dedicated to the to the to the mother Goddess. Throughout
all these ancient cultures you have heard of her under
the names Anana, under the names Ishtar and ashtar worship.
And in getting back to the more modern day soddings
of the lady simply known as the Lady in a
lot of these Catholic soddings, that is an apparition of
Mary supposedly who they h who it has termed itself
the Lady. And so I wrote an afterward in the
book that talks about why it's important going back, Well,
why is this sight even important. I'll tell you in
the afterward of the book why it's important, because this
apparition is happening at least in the Catholic realms, where
this is witnessed by hundreds or thousands of people. Even
the Catholic Church has come out and authenticated the sidings
of the lady. So this is all going back to
a deification of Eve. But they have venerated both in
their ancestors, and so this is part of the lost
connection that the ancients once had in the Garden of Eden,
when Adam and Eve walked with God, but when Sin
entered and listen, Sin entered the earth. It may have
entered the earth through Adam and Eve because they really
they had the keys to the kingdom. They had a choice, uh,
and and and and and they didn't choose. You know,
if you could go back to the to the movie term,
they didn't choose wisely. But look, Sin entered Lucifer first.
And you know I talked about this, I cite Michael
Heizer's working here, But we have this imagery of of
Lucifer as a serpent in the garden, and that Eve
is talking to a serpent. Heve's not talking to a serpent.
So when you look at it in the Hebrew, uh,
this is not a serpent that that Eve is talking to.
It's it's the nakash. The nakash means a luminous, shining
one or shining being raising shining one. And we know
Lucifer is a uh an angel of light, a bearer light,
the light bearer. And so it now makes sense that
Eve is not startled when she sees a celestial being
that is luminous and shining. She's not startled by it
because she is also in the glorified state. This is
before sin, before they fell, so it's not any surprise
to her. So you know, she's able to have this conversation.
But the thing that the entity gets her to do
was it it planned to two questions in her mind.
It didn't command her to do anything. She she she's
the one that actually took action, but she took action
on the thought and that was did God say and
and there was and there was another question in there
that slips in my mind right now. But he gets
her to question God's authority. Did God say that you
would surely die? And because you're you're gonna you're gonna
be like.
Speaker 2: God's you shall be as God, and and.
Speaker 3: There's a grain of truth. And there was a grain
of truth in there. Yeah you're gonna you're gonna have
your eyes open. But but the but the rest of
it was spun around the lines of deception, and that
was to get her to there was a disobedient act.
And so when God comes in the garden and he goes, hey,
where are you guys, he's not wondering because he can't
find them. He knows what's happened. He's asking them a
rhetorical question. And the rhetorical the rhetorical question is this,
what have you done that you're hiding? Oh, well, we're
scared because we're nicked. Well, who told you? Why? Why?
Why would you be scared? Who told you was naked?
And this again is the imagery that we see on
the stones at go Beckley Tepe. They made them sells coverings,
So this is exactly what we see on the two
images at go Beckley Tepe on these stones coverings on
stone images. And something very interesting also is that these
arms that wrap around to the side, you see they
come to the navel. These arms are telegraphing divinity. They're
not just it's not just an arm, it is arms,
but is the arms are telegraphing divinity, just like the
ifiphallic images that we see on these stones are telegraphing
something important. Why would a headless dead man be ethiophallic.
It's not humanly possible because you're dead. But if you're
being regenerated into the afterlife, then suddenly we see that
the dead is being regenerated. Uh. In their cosmology, the
phallic images are the continuation of of of of the
of the line. So that's why you have this headless
uh imagery all over all over the region you see it,
but a lot of especially karaon Tepe, that big that
big one that shows the ribs. You know that this
person is actually you know, uh, it's a person that's
probably uh represented in death, but it's at theophallic Uh.
Why because this goes back to the symbol of when
you die, you are being regenerated, back to our ancestors,
back to our father receded. And this is exactly the
imagery that we see at quebecley Tepe.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, there was so much more information that that's
that's in uh the coding go Beckley tape. Now, of
course we got juds content in there and and it
just up. We just updated it because more information was
coming out from the site, and particularly we found just
nuggets that we were able to piece back in there.
But in particularly while we're talking about now with the
with the veneration, the defecation of Adam and Eve especially
uh is is all new and and look we just
it it is. I think we lay a very a
very solid groundwork. And matter of fact, a guy that
commented on one of the one of the channels, he said, well,
I don't believe that that ever happened. Well have you
read the book? Well, no, I haven't read the book,
but you're gonna make a judgment because you just don't
think it's it's possible. Uh, look here's what I'm asking.
Just read that. Just read it. Just read it, and
then and then and then and then let's have a
discussion about it. You know. But I know it's hard
when when you don't have all the information, we don't
have a lot of time to get into the details.
Uh you know about it. But look, it's all laid
out in the book, and and and it's referenced. I mean,
you can go back and look at the sources. If
you read the footnotes, you'll get a solid education in
the footnotes. Not just don't go Beckley Teppe. You're going
to get a solid education in a lot of different
areas that the book touches on. I mean I had
to go into areas I didn't never dream I was
going to have to go into the book. But you know,
when you're talking about coming out of the flood, you
got to talk about that, Well, how does that happen?
Why do I think it's post flood because the stones
that go Beckley Teppe are limestone. That's all post flood
material is sedimentary rock. It's all laid down they're in
the flood. It's post flood limestone, so that's after the flood.
So I have to talk about that. Well, I have
to get into the chronology, the biblical chronology. Where do
you put that. Well, I started building this timeline just
as a visual to help me keep track of where
I was at with what was going on. So I
just did it for me, and it just became this
thing where I just added to it, changed it. And
you'll see in several versions early on that I've changed
this up quite a bit because I you know, you
kept you keep moving things around, and at least on
the septuagent timeline you have you have more time to
move these things around. Now. I look, I want to
make something clear. I study out of the King James.
I'm not a King James only guy. You know. I'll
study out of other versions. But but but that's you know,
that's my primary text I study out, which is based
off the Masoretic Text. And I'm not saying there's anything
wrong in the doctrine of it, but there is there
is some genealogy problems and and uh, when you get
it in the genesis genealogies, the Masoretic Text I think
it's in Genesis. I love them.
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Speaker 3: Jesus, shuts off their genealogies by one hundred years each.
And so with the set tuo agent reads and so
and so beget so and so and he was one
hundred and thirty years, and so and so beget so
and so and he was one hundred and ten years. Well,
the Masoretic text is going to say so and so
beget so and so when he was thirty years, it'll
cut that hundred years off, and so and so beget
so and so, and he was twenty years, it cuts
that hundred years off. And so when you go six generations,
that's six hundred years of time right there that you're missing.
Minimum the septugin I think you gained back thirteen fifty
or fourteen hundred years of time, which now you suddenly
have a lot more time for an ice age, and
you got to talk about the ice You got to
talk about the ice age now and the younger drives event.
Where do you put all that, Well, there's not room
in the Masoretic text timeline, and that's the text I
study out of There's nothing wrong with it doctrinely. I'm
just saying that in the Masoretic timeline, by the time
you get out of the flood to the Tower of Babble,
you only have one hundred years of time. And you're
telling me that you got one hundred years to repopulate
the earth and have you know whatever it is of
a population of people to build a tower of Bowel.
I don't think a hundred years is enough time. But
if you go according to the Septuagint, now you have
a lot of time. You have all the room you
need for the ice age to occur, the what the
mechanism being the flood. You have all the time that
you need for the repopulation of the earth to get
to the Tower of Bouble, to have the population there.
You have the time, But not in the Masoretic text
you don't. But again the septuagen has its own problems,
not doctrinely, but just in some minor areas. It has
Methuselah living fourteen years after the flood. We know he
died probably a week before the flood. His name meant
his death shall bring, so shall bring his death brought
the flood, and probably within a week when he died,
the flood came. So we know he didn't lived fourteen
years after the flood. So there's some problems with that.
But look, I think you could take both of them
and study out of them. You'll I think the septuagen
has faithfully preserved the genealogies where uh. Some course, the
at some point along the way in the Mazeratic timeline,
for whatever reason, those those genealogies get cut short, and
I think it was probably to nullify Christ as as Messiah. Uh.
And so there's there's reasons, speculative reasons. We get into
the book briefly, but uh, but this book has taken
me a lot of places I didn't expect to write.
So we get into the a little bit, into the
mechanism of the flood, the ice age, what happened to
the mamos, uh, some about you know those things, and
and of course the younger drives event and then and
then the biblical chronology. And so you'll get a whole
education in the book as as you read it. But
but we want you know the really the goal is
to let you decide. I'm not trying to be dogmatic
here and saying I'm right, I don't know only five
percent of go backly Tepe roughly he's been excavated ninety
five percent to learn the ground. And now there's reports
that you know the site, you know that they're going
to slow down excavations. Some say that they're stopping on together.
I you know, I haven't heard that from the director
of the German Institute of Archaeology said they're slowing down.
They're not stopping, but they're continuing. And I think they're
doing good work at the site. I would love to
be there one day. I love to meet them. I
would love to be able to excavate there. They're open.
And this is from a testimony that I call in
testimony's an interview, but you know, as an interview he
gave and he said, we're open, you know, to considering
other people's interpretations. And there's been a little bit of pushback,
I think in the past, but I think they've kind
of ironed those things out. And he said, look, we
we have to be open to other possibilities in the public.
And you know, and and and I would love to
sit down and talk with him. I'd love to excavate there.
So none of this is is is to disparage their
work at all. I think they're doing a fantastic job.
There's just because you're not there, and information is slow
to get outside because it has to be published. That
there is information now that they know that we don't know,
that won't get to us in another one or two years,
maybe longer. So so this information sometimes is really slow
coming out because of all this. But there I think
they're doing what they can. I know there's a lot
of conspiracy theories about their trying to cover up the
side and they don't want any further excavations done, and
I don't you know, I don't think I believe any
of that, but I would like for them to give
this an honest, open hearing. One about the regeneration theory.
Two about the veneration the deification of their ancestors, specifically
Adam and Eve. Three that there's Anatolian hieroglyphics on these stones,
specifically Louvian logo grounds, which is language. If it's language,
and if it's Louvian, you can't put it in the Neolithic.
You can't. So the only other alternative is to culturally
redate go Beckley Tepe, not to the Neolithic, but probably
to the Bronze Age, which, if you're using the conventional timeline,
moves go Beckley Tepe seven thousand years. Well, those seven
thousand years probably didn't really exist in the biblical timeframe,
but in their mind it does. And so how do
you do that? Well, they they don't like it when
you move revise timeframes around they I mean they had
they had a pretty pretty harsh disagreement with David Role,
who try to revise Egyptian chronology and just move it
two hundred years, and they wouldn't accept it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like two three years.
Speaker 3: So I happened to lean towards David Roll's work on Egyptian,
on the Revised Egyptian Chronology. I cited him in the book.
I think he's done a wonderful job. But look, you know,
is he right? I think he probably perhaps is right.
But this part of archaeology, we just keep digging until
more information and data comes out of the ground, until
we actually can put some hard data on it, empirical
evidence that says okay, this is now, we know, we're
sure this is it, and we just don't know enough
information yet come out of go Beckley Tepe. But you know,
I think David Roll's theory is good. Others don't and
they follow, you know, someone else's work on that, and
that's fine. I'm open to reading both, you know, I'm open.
But I do sid David Roll's work in the book
because I think he's he comes closest to to to
the biblical timeframe of the Egyptian timeline. And look, he's
not even a Christian. He's probably an agnostic at best
from my understanding, and he's the only one saying the
story and the Old Testament about the Exodus is true
just looking at archaeology, which I found absolutely fascinating. I
would love to sit down and talk with him. You know,
I think you can have a great conversation with people
like David Roll because you're going to hear things that
you're not probably not going to hear before, and you've
got to consider all these things. And that's all I
ask with this book is just have a hearing to
make it consideration and and see, you know, if our
theory really is is going to pan out. And my
prediction is, guys, is that they do more excavations along
the way. I think Louvian logograms, these anatolin and hieroglyphics
are going to get confirmed. I think they're going to
find more in these louvi and linguists are going to
come out and go, guys, this is no question. Now
this is Louvian. And if it's Louvian, you can't put
it in the Neolithic. And I explain why it looks
stone Age? Why does it look stone Age because there's
no pottery there. Well, they say, if there's no pottery,
this is it's got to be stone Age. But does
it They're using the natural resources around them. What do
you got? You got a lot of stone. You don't
have a lot of clay for pottery, but you got
a lot of stone. So what do you work with?
You've worked with stone. You could also there's a possibility
of whiteware, but whiteware wouldn't hold up over this long
of time. It would disintegrate and dissolve over this much
of time. But you do have a lot of stone,
and we do see a lot of stone vessels, and
we do know that they were you know they were
they were harvesting that wild weed out in the plains
of Iran. They were harvested in the grains, they were
harvest in the barley. They were making beer with that barley.
They had these big ritualistic feastings and it was just
a very natural, plentiful resource of food grains. Antelope.
Speaker 2: They were having an air got trip in time in
Eve's womb at night, weren't they.
Speaker 3: Well, they probably only did that when someone died. They
would probably only you know, why do I say that.
I think they used that as sacred space. They wouldn't
use it all the time. It was a sacred space.
Why because some of the floors and the walls were plastered.
We see evidence of plaster at go Beckley Tepe, which
which is burnt crushed line. They took lime, burned it,
crushed it, burned it. You got to get it up
to a temperature, mix it and slurry. You plastered that
thing out and it gives you a really nice aesthetic look.
But it can waterproof your walls, your floors. It separates
that space and it's a special place. It's reserved as
a sacred space. So I don't think they would go
in there all the time. But when they did, it
was for a reason. I think this is part of
the regeneration theory of of so you they could make
sure that you made it back into the afterlife through
the veneration of those ancestors through those stones. It all
sounds very foreign to us, but in and I think
in their mindset, uh, until we get harder data, I
think this is a really good theory about the intent
for Go Beckley Tepe and and the anthropomorphic morphic images
and the zomorphic images and the totaism on these stones.
And we just we just try to lay it all
out and uh, and the best way we can. But look,
this is the first book I think on Go Beckley
Tepe that gives you a biblical perspective about what they
were doing at the site and why they were doing it.
But what they were doing in these enclosures, I think
they were venerating their ancestors and they were deifying at
least two deities, and that is the moon, God and
the bullgun.
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Speaker 5: Well, thank you again so much for coming on with us.
We missed jud obviously, but yeah, thank you so much
for coming on with us.
Speaker 4: And yeah, here it is, by the way, I appreciate
you haven't.
Speaker 3: Seen it yet. There's those two central pillars. You see
the person. This is the representation of the spirit person
about to pass through the stones back up to the light,
up to the heavens. So this is this is it
right here. So we're just we're really excited that the
cover was really turned down grade and and it's just
full of color images and things in here. So this
is a color version of the book. There's a lot
of water color paintings that I had an artist do
for me. I'll show you. I'll show you one of
them here, So this is all. This isn't color, so
you can see it. You see the anthropomorphic image there
that's actually a stone found at go Beckley Tepe. And
then we get into the chronology of the book. I'll
show you the chronology timeline right here and there. It
is right there, so it's all in color, so it
just gives you a good, good visual so as you're
reading the book you can you can see these color images. Unfortunately,
they don't print color for Australia, so you can't order
it in Australia or Japan anyway.
Speaker 5: Well, again, like I said, appreciate you brother very much
for coming on and giving us your insight.
Speaker 4: And yeah, as always, everybody out there.
Speaker 2: He