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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up

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where he left off with the unnamed captain from the

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MCC and his interview with the olig investigators. Question, Okay,

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can we go to the shoe count slips themselves and

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that should be the last like page or two answer? See, yep,

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those are the inmates that went to the attorney visiting.

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So those three would have been on the count slip.

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Now you said where question the very last page, it's

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like the actual slip answer by the captain these question yep,

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So these are the slips that the actual shoe for

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the ones that are in the shoe. Can you just

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put an initial buy it or circle it or whatever

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which one it is that would have been conducted at

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the shoe answer Okay, I think it's Zulu Zulu bravo

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Zulu alpha. Question so z A and zb are the

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two shoes. Answer yes, question are there any more than

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that answer you have? So that's you've got food service gs, indiscernible,

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attorney visit, that's kiloh India, that's court Kilo Zulu. Yeah,

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so Zulu alpha would have been that and then that

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would have been ten south question. All right, so ten

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South answer Charlie Alpha, Charlie Alpha question, but no, just

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specific to the shoe like where not. I don't know

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if ten south is considered chee, but I'm just talking

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specifics to like where Epstein was in the shoe, like

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who you know that I'm assuming the seventy two seventy

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three count answer? Yeah, right here, that would have been

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the Zulu Bravo and Zulu alpha question. All right, great,

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and are you able to tell me who all are

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on those slips? Answer it says redacted and toven no

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well and redacted question okay answer. And that would have

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been for the four o'clock question. All right, answer for

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redacted in Tovin no weel for the four o'clock count question. Okay.

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And now what is the difference between the ZB and

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the ZA answer? I believe the ZA is total shoe

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question okay answer. And then then you had the inmates

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that were up on ten South question. Okay, so the

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ZB is that tense South? Then answer yes question, so

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we're focused on ZA. Answer yes question. All right, So ZA,

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and that one was signed by who answer It looks

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like Noel and redacted and redacted. Question, Now, if that

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count wasn't actually conducted, are they the only two that

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are responsible for falsifying that or would other people he

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gets cut off by the captain, This would be the

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whole unit, the OIC, everybody that was in the unit.

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Question Okay, answer, because that means on evening watch. I

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believe you have one, two, three, four staff and they

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all have a different range that they have a responsibility of.

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Question Okay, answer, you know what I'm saying. So they

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feed us, they feed the ranges, They monitor the ranges

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by doing the thirty minute rounds. So the OIC has

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the key. So those other three staff, the number two,

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the three, and the four, I believe they're supposed to

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do rounds, feed, do issue cosmetics, do whatever they need

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to as far as the normal operations inside the unit.

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So if nobody counted, that means who count? Who helps

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assist in counting? In ten south for the five guys?

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Question right answer, because I believe the lieutenant is supposed

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to come up normally the activities will go up, I

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believe and do the count in Zulu bravo. So that

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means that one of the lieutenants would be up in

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the unit when the count was going on. Question So

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in this case a lieutenant should have actually been present?

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Answer yes, question which lieutenant on that date? Would that

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have been? Answer? So that would have been that would

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have been probably redacted took the count and then redacted

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or misredacted would have been in ten South doing the

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count in ten South, I believe if I could remember,

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it's been a while, because it's only per there's only

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one staff member inside of ten South. Question so redacted

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should have been present for the count at four pm?

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Answer yeah, because I'm looking and you have ten South

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number one was redacted, and then you had ten South

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number two was g redacted, So G redacted probably was

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up there doing property. Question Now, is this the only

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for the four or should there have been a lieutenant

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as well as in the ten pm, twelve pm or

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twelve am, three am and five am? Answer so redacted?

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Question so who was redacted? Answer redacted is one of

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the officers. Question what's the first damn on that? Answer redacted?

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And then I'm looking here, so ten South number two

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is redacted, which is the property officer. So during that

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time I was hiring redacted to go up here and

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get the property situated on the evening watch. Question, so

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is redacted even working in the shoe at that point?

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I think he would have had the first he gets

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cut off by the captain, because you know that, because

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that would have been redacted. Let me look at the

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day because I don't think he would work that because

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it's said redacted is the number one question, And that's

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where I'm confused by looking at some of these counts.

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Why would they even have he gets cut off by

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the captain? Redacted was on overtime, so redacted was daywatch.

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So that means redacted probably came in late. Question okay, answer,

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so redacted probably did the count because redacted didn't get

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there and now he was notorious for that question okay answer,

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Redacted is a good guy, but he had some health

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problems and maybe he didn't get there on time. So

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redacted went on ahead and since the count started at four,

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he probably went ahead and did the count. Question all right,

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and are you able to tell on that does this

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have a time for when the count was supposedly conducted? Answer?

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It's all of them going to reflect four question just four.

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Answer four. It's not going to say four five, four

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h four, the count is four PM. Question. Okay, So

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in this case, though, the one for the overall shoe

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that would have been you said, is that a indiscernible

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or are you just telling that's four tense? Self? Answer?

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Overall shoe would have been Zulu alpha. Question. Yeah, and

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who was on that? That's where he gets cut off

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by the captain Noel and redacted questions So redacted, redacted

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and Noel would have been the ones that did the overall.

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But what you're saying is everyone if the overall count

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was not conducted, everyone was responsible. Answer yes, question for

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falsifying that answer yep, question because everyone would have known answer.

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They would have known. Question that it was conducted, Answer

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that it was conducted, that it wasn't conducted. Question, Now

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is there any kind of like, hey, we fed them,

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that's how we did our count? Answer, no count. Because

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I put this guidance out the difference between doing rounds

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and accurate rounds. You know, we talked about the timeframe

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that goes between the thirty minute rounds. So like let's

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say it's eleven o'clock, you should do a round somewhere

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between eleven and eleven thirty. You understand question yep. Answer.

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If it's done at eleven twenty nine, that's fine, but

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you should be doing it within that thirty minutes because

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it has to be irregular. So you can't put on

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there and said I did rounds at eleven eleven thirty.

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Question twelve, answer twelve twelve thirty. You know you can't

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do it like that. So let's say you know you're

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feeding up there. You're up here feeding, but the round

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is going to be because you're not monitoring, you're doing

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a service just because you're on the range. That means

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you did around. A round is physically stopping what you're doing.

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So if I'm feeding during the time I'm supposed to,

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I'm supposed to do around secure the slot, I go

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to the beginning of the range one, two, five, seven, nine, eleven, whatever, whatever, whatever,

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document the time I did the round, then go back

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to feeding. It's not while I'm up there, Okay, I'll

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feed the range. It took me seven minutes, seven point

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nine seconds to feed around, and so that's telling me

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that you did a regular round for an hour or

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one hour because you was up there for forty five minutes.

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Did you do a round? Question right? Answer? Did you

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can I physically watch you go from cell to sell?

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That's around question? But what about so can a round

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can't be account but can account be around? Answer? No question.

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So every thirty minutes, if you're doing account at four,

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you also have to do a round at four? Answer yep.

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Question Okay, answer because if I go up there at four.

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If I go, let's say I start at four at four,

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what's going to be that round? You understand what I'm saying.

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Because count, I'm taking accountability of the units. So if

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it takes probably two or three minutes to count, that

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would be four oh three, and I count in that range,

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I go to the next range. I'm done at four

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oh nine, four sixteen, four to twenty four, twenty seven.

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Guess what between thirty to five, I got to go

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and do another round in between that timeframe not to

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exceed forty minutes. That's the policy question. Okay, do you

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know anything about the shoe not conducting rounds? Answer? Do

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I know of the shoe not conducting rounds? Question? If

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the personnel in the shoe do you know anything about that? Answer?

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Do I know the shoe not conducting rounds? Question? If

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the personnel in the shoe Do you know anything about

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that of them? Answer? I would have never known that

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those staff were not because again that's not my purview.

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Question sure, answer to sit down and monitor the rounds.

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Question I just mean like, had anybody told cut them off?

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Answer no, I would have never known. Until after the

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Epstein thing, we had to monitor the camera footage of

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what the shoe staff did, and I was appalled to

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what they were doing on those off hours. Question so, now,

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after the fact, are you aware if any of these

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counts were conducted or not conducted? Answer? I was not

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made aware that no account was conducted because I do

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not monitor camera footage of the staff, so I wouldn't know.

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Question No, I'm saying after the facts. So now answer,

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now I know, And I was. And again when I

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had to monitor the footage per the new directive that

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was put out for Central Office, and the Captain would

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have to monitor x amount of hours of shoe footage

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per week. Even after we had the situation with Epstein,

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staff still wasn't doing it right. Question. But in what

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I'm asking is in those instances, do you know if

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the four, the ten, the five on these August ninth

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and August tenth, he gets cut off by the captain.

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I would have thought they would have been done. Question,

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But do you now do you know if they were

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or weren't captain answers, I was told that they were

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not conducted. Question four PM as well. Answer. I was

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told that the officers that were assigned to the morning

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watch shift did not do the rounds from the time

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they walked into the unit until the time they found

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inmate Epstein deceased in his cell. Question that I think

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what you're referring to is on August tenth, I'm saying

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August ninth. Answer August ninth. I would have not have

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known that question. No, No, now I'm talking about Answer now,

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I'm aware of it, because if the inmate didn't come

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back from court, how did you clear court? Question and

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did you know that prior to this conversation? Though, have

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you ever he gets cut off by the captain? No question.

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So what I'm saying is you didn't have or never

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heard up until this date that it's possible that the

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four PM and the ten PM were not conducted. Answer

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that is correct. Question all right? And no one ever

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brought this to your attention. Answer that is correct? All right? Folks,

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we're gonna wrap up right here and in the next

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episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up

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