Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
where he left off with the unnamed captain from the
MCC and his interview with the olig investigators. Question, Okay,
can we go to the shoe count slips themselves and
that should be the last like page or two answer? See, yep,
those are the inmates that went to the attorney visiting.
So those three would have been on the count slip.
Now you said where question the very last page, it's
like the actual slip answer by the captain these question yep,
So these are the slips that the actual shoe for
the ones that are in the shoe. Can you just
put an initial buy it or circle it or whatever
which one it is that would have been conducted at
the shoe answer Okay, I think it's Zulu Zulu bravo
Zulu alpha. Question so z A and zb are the
two shoes. Answer yes, question are there any more than
that answer you have? So that's you've got food service gs, indiscernible,
attorney visit, that's kiloh India, that's court Kilo Zulu. Yeah,
so Zulu alpha would have been that and then that
would have been ten south question. All right, so ten
South answer Charlie Alpha, Charlie Alpha question, but no, just
specific to the shoe like where not. I don't know
if ten south is considered chee, but I'm just talking
specifics to like where Epstein was in the shoe, like
who you know that I'm assuming the seventy two seventy
three count answer? Yeah, right here, that would have been
the Zulu Bravo and Zulu alpha question. All right, great,
and are you able to tell me who all are
on those slips? Answer it says redacted and toven no
well and redacted question okay answer. And that would have
been for the four o'clock question. All right, answer for
redacted in Tovin no weel for the four o'clock count question. Okay.
And now what is the difference between the ZB and
the ZA answer? I believe the ZA is total shoe
question okay answer. And then then you had the inmates
that were up on ten South question. Okay, so the
ZB is that tense South? Then answer yes question, so
we're focused on ZA. Answer yes question. All right, So ZA,
and that one was signed by who answer It looks
like Noel and redacted and redacted. Question, Now, if that
count wasn't actually conducted, are they the only two that
are responsible for falsifying that or would other people he
gets cut off by the captain, This would be the
whole unit, the OIC, everybody that was in the unit.
Question Okay, answer, because that means on evening watch. I
believe you have one, two, three, four staff and they
all have a different range that they have a responsibility of.
Question Okay, answer, you know what I'm saying. So they
feed us, they feed the ranges, They monitor the ranges
by doing the thirty minute rounds. So the OIC has
the key. So those other three staff, the number two,
the three, and the four, I believe they're supposed to
do rounds, feed, do issue cosmetics, do whatever they need
to as far as the normal operations inside the unit.
So if nobody counted, that means who count? Who helps
assist in counting? In ten south for the five guys?
Question right answer, because I believe the lieutenant is supposed
to come up normally the activities will go up, I
believe and do the count in Zulu bravo. So that
means that one of the lieutenants would be up in
the unit when the count was going on. Question So
in this case a lieutenant should have actually been present?
Answer yes, question which lieutenant on that date? Would that
have been? Answer? So that would have been that would
have been probably redacted took the count and then redacted
or misredacted would have been in ten South doing the
count in ten South, I believe if I could remember,
it's been a while, because it's only per there's only
one staff member inside of ten South. Question so redacted
should have been present for the count at four pm?
Answer yeah, because I'm looking and you have ten South
number one was redacted, and then you had ten South
number two was g redacted, So G redacted probably was
up there doing property. Question Now, is this the only
for the four or should there have been a lieutenant
as well as in the ten pm, twelve pm or
twelve am, three am and five am? Answer so redacted?
Question so who was redacted? Answer redacted is one of
the officers. Question what's the first damn on that? Answer redacted?
And then I'm looking here, so ten South number two
is redacted, which is the property officer. So during that
time I was hiring redacted to go up here and
get the property situated on the evening watch. Question, so
is redacted even working in the shoe at that point?
I think he would have had the first he gets
cut off by the captain, because you know that, because
that would have been redacted. Let me look at the
day because I don't think he would work that because
it's said redacted is the number one question, And that's
where I'm confused by looking at some of these counts.
Why would they even have he gets cut off by
the captain? Redacted was on overtime, so redacted was daywatch.
So that means redacted probably came in late. Question okay, answer,
so redacted probably did the count because redacted didn't get
there and now he was notorious for that question okay answer,
Redacted is a good guy, but he had some health
problems and maybe he didn't get there on time. So
redacted went on ahead and since the count started at four,
he probably went ahead and did the count. Question all right,
and are you able to tell on that does this
have a time for when the count was supposedly conducted? Answer?
It's all of them going to reflect four question just four.
Answer four. It's not going to say four five, four
h four, the count is four PM. Question. Okay, So
in this case, though, the one for the overall shoe
that would have been you said, is that a indiscernible
or are you just telling that's four tense? Self? Answer?
Overall shoe would have been Zulu alpha. Question. Yeah, and
who was on that? That's where he gets cut off
by the captain Noel and redacted questions So redacted, redacted
and Noel would have been the ones that did the overall.
But what you're saying is everyone if the overall count
was not conducted, everyone was responsible. Answer yes, question for
falsifying that answer yep, question because everyone would have known answer.
They would have known. Question that it was conducted, Answer
that it was conducted, that it wasn't conducted. Question, Now
is there any kind of like, hey, we fed them,
that's how we did our count? Answer, no count. Because
I put this guidance out the difference between doing rounds
and accurate rounds. You know, we talked about the timeframe
that goes between the thirty minute rounds. So like let's
say it's eleven o'clock, you should do a round somewhere
between eleven and eleven thirty. You understand question yep. Answer.
If it's done at eleven twenty nine, that's fine, but
you should be doing it within that thirty minutes because
it has to be irregular. So you can't put on
there and said I did rounds at eleven eleven thirty.
Question twelve, answer twelve twelve thirty. You know you can't
do it like that. So let's say you know you're
feeding up there. You're up here feeding, but the round
is going to be because you're not monitoring, you're doing
a service just because you're on the range. That means
you did around. A round is physically stopping what you're doing.
So if I'm feeding during the time I'm supposed to,
I'm supposed to do around secure the slot, I go
to the beginning of the range one, two, five, seven, nine, eleven, whatever, whatever, whatever,
document the time I did the round, then go back
to feeding. It's not while I'm up there, Okay, I'll
feed the range. It took me seven minutes, seven point
nine seconds to feed around, and so that's telling me
that you did a regular round for an hour or
one hour because you was up there for forty five minutes.
Did you do a round? Question right? Answer? Did you
can I physically watch you go from cell to sell?
That's around question? But what about so can a round
can't be account but can account be around? Answer? No question.
So every thirty minutes, if you're doing account at four,
you also have to do a round at four? Answer yep.
Question Okay, answer because if I go up there at four.
If I go, let's say I start at four at four,
what's going to be that round? You understand what I'm saying.
Because count, I'm taking accountability of the units. So if
it takes probably two or three minutes to count, that
would be four oh three, and I count in that range,
I go to the next range. I'm done at four
oh nine, four sixteen, four to twenty four, twenty seven.
Guess what between thirty to five, I got to go
and do another round in between that timeframe not to
exceed forty minutes. That's the policy question. Okay, do you
know anything about the shoe not conducting rounds? Answer? Do
I know of the shoe not conducting rounds? Question? If
the personnel in the shoe do you know anything about that? Answer?
Do I know the shoe not conducting rounds? Question? If
the personnel in the shoe Do you know anything about
that of them? Answer? I would have never known that
those staff were not because again that's not my purview.
Question sure, answer to sit down and monitor the rounds.
Question I just mean like, had anybody told cut them off?
Answer no, I would have never known. Until after the
Epstein thing, we had to monitor the camera footage of
what the shoe staff did, and I was appalled to
what they were doing on those off hours. Question so, now,
after the fact, are you aware if any of these
counts were conducted or not conducted? Answer? I was not
made aware that no account was conducted because I do
not monitor camera footage of the staff, so I wouldn't know.
Question No, I'm saying after the facts. So now answer,
now I know, And I was. And again when I
had to monitor the footage per the new directive that
was put out for Central Office, and the Captain would
have to monitor x amount of hours of shoe footage
per week. Even after we had the situation with Epstein,
staff still wasn't doing it right. Question. But in what
I'm asking is in those instances, do you know if
the four, the ten, the five on these August ninth
and August tenth, he gets cut off by the captain.
I would have thought they would have been done. Question,
But do you now do you know if they were
or weren't captain answers, I was told that they were
not conducted. Question four PM as well. Answer. I was
told that the officers that were assigned to the morning
watch shift did not do the rounds from the time
they walked into the unit until the time they found
inmate Epstein deceased in his cell. Question that I think
what you're referring to is on August tenth, I'm saying
August ninth. Answer August ninth. I would have not have
known that question. No, No, now I'm talking about Answer now,
I'm aware of it, because if the inmate didn't come
back from court, how did you clear court? Question and
did you know that prior to this conversation? Though, have
you ever he gets cut off by the captain? No question.
So what I'm saying is you didn't have or never
heard up until this date that it's possible that the
four PM and the ten PM were not conducted. Answer
that is correct. Question all right? And no one ever
brought this to your attention. Answer that is correct? All right? Folks,
we're gonna wrap up right here and in the next
episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up
where we left off. All the information that goes with
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