1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: What is up, fellas Icchos, I am damn Valley coming 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,759 at you with the one, the only, the third, five fantabulous, 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,759 mister Grant Hughes. We're on to Hardwood Knoxes, Portland Trail Blazers, 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,239 NBA trade deadline, look ahead, prim or extravaganza. What have 5 00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:21,359 you before we get started? 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,199 Speaker 2: Grant? How the heck are you doing? 7 00:00:24,359 --> 00:00:26,839 Speaker 3: I'm just kind of dumbfounded because I didn't think just 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,719 giving back those three swaps was gonna be enough for 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,200 the Blazers to get you honest, But here we are 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,200 big news to break. 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: No, we might get into that rumor that people seem 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,479 to try will like, are willing and do existence. 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,759 Speaker 3: I have to say I missed the specific one you're 14 00:00:42,799 --> 00:00:47,679 talking about, but it does feel like the Blazers might 15 00:00:47,759 --> 00:00:51,640 have some involvement in a hypothetically honest trade. Should want arise, 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,759 not because the one I just made up did not 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,759 sorry to be starry to disappoint who who would be 18 00:00:57,799 --> 00:00:58,679 disappointed by that? 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: Not being real that the Blazer Blazers fans maybe even 20 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:06,400 that they didn't have you honest, you know what we've 21 00:01:06,439 --> 00:01:09,959 reached and this isn't This isn't the Blazers fan base. 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,519 But we have reached a point where people are just, well, 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,719 do we really want your honest? He's older and more 24 00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:16,840 expensive and injured all the time. And it's on the 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,359 one hand, you understand the concerns. On the other hand, 26 00:01:19,359 --> 00:01:21,280 it's I mean, he's still one of the five best 27 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,879 players alive. So yes, you do in the grand scheme? 28 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,040 Why not don't go full Phoenix Suns and don't negotiate 29 00:01:27,239 --> 00:01:28,359 in the Kevin Durant trade. 30 00:01:28,439 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: But you want you honest? 31 00:01:30,359 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: Just okay, good stance to take. You want you honest, 32 00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:34,640 that's gonna do it. 33 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, let's take us out of here. 34 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: Let's get into the Portland's trade deadline vitals. They are 35 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:43,760 not super flexible because they only have about one point 36 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,359 five million dollars beneath the tax. I actually thought that 37 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,079 was higher. I'm maybe to double check that, make sure 38 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:50,439 that's not a typo here. I could have sworn they 39 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:53,519 had more room. Anyway, they're about one point. They have 40 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,519 minimal room beneath the tax. They do have more flexibility 41 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,959 next season looking at that, so they might be willing 42 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:02,519 to take on I think they're thirty six point seven 43 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,280 million below the tacks for next year, so they might 44 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,680 be willing to take on some extra money this year 45 00:02:06,879 --> 00:02:09,400 or money that goes out. Only ten players are included 46 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,919 in that calculation. It does include the bumps that Shade 47 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,879 and Sharp and Tomani Kamara are getting, though they owe 48 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:21,000 a lottery protected first to Chicago that's protected until referently 49 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,159 the end of time, but actually twenty twenty eight, at 50 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:26,680 which point it becomes a second round pick. They don't 51 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,800 have any extra first but grant and this might be relevant. 52 00:02:31,039 --> 00:02:34,280 They have swaps with the Milwaukee Bucks in twenty twenty eight, 53 00:02:34,319 --> 00:02:38,400 twenty twenty nine, and two thousand and thirty twenty twenty eight. 54 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:40,680 The swap is for the best, the better of Milwaukee 55 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:44,080 or Boston's pick. I feel quite confident in saying that 56 00:02:44,439 --> 00:02:46,199 the better pick will be Milwaukee's pick. 57 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,159 Speaker 3: I would agree with that. I would also agree that 58 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:51,479 you're correct they are a million and a half below 59 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,879 the Tacks. That's that's That's what I've got on my 60 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:54,599 sheet as well. 61 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,479 Speaker 1: So let's start here, because the Blazers are kind of 62 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:03,599 good where especially since they have you seen the award 63 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,520 their defensive box or wherever that Thiagua splitter gives out 64 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:09,800 their defense has improved a great deal since they started 65 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,000 giving that out. 66 00:03:11,319 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: How aggressive you're the Blazers. 67 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: You're looking at this trade deadline before we're getting into 68 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,639 the needs and targets. Are you looking to be aggressive? 69 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:22,199 Is this to stay the course scenario? Given the Scoot situation? 70 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,479 What are you thinking about? 71 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:29,159 Speaker 3: I don't think I am willing to be aggressive in 72 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,560 terms of like giving up, say those swaps or younger 73 00:03:33,599 --> 00:03:37,080 assets for when now help. I don't think they're at 74 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,000 that level. I like them. I like them before the 75 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,520 season started. I was pretty disappointed until they've kind of 76 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,879 heated up here and now they're basically a five hundred 77 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:49,400 team built on a defensive identity and Denny Avvia being incredible. 78 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,159 It still feels like the moves to make are can 79 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:56,800 we get off of? Like? Can we get anything? Is 80 00:03:57,159 --> 00:04:00,800 there a market of neutral value for Grant or for 81 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:04,800 Drew Holliday? Like it doesn't feel like you're going out 82 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:09,319 putting picks on the table, putting looking at trading Scoot 83 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,719 or anything like anything like that for for immediate help. 84 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:15,319 I just don't. I just don't think they're there, like 85 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,399 or anywhere close to that level yet. I think I 86 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:19,240 want some of these bad contracts off my books. 87 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,879 Speaker 1: First, I guess knowing that cap space just doesn't mean 88 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:26,519 much anymore. I don't know why I would want to 89 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,600 get those if you're just worried about because next season 90 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:31,480 you'll be fine. But if you're looking at the out 91 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,680 years and Okay, we're gonna try and renegotiate and extend 92 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,439 any avia because his contract that he's made thirteen million 93 00:04:36,439 --> 00:04:37,959 bucks next year is just insane. 94 00:04:38,319 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 3: Best contract in the league probably right now. Right that's 95 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:41,920 not a rookie scale deal. 96 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yes, gotta be close to it. I mean, 97 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:47,560 he's is he gonna make an All NBA team? Joka 98 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,839 just about to be disqualified with all. 99 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: The DQ's, I bet you. 100 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 101 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 3: I mean, it's not a crazy thing to think at all. 102 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: He's been great this year. Just to be cool. 103 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's injured now himself, so let's opay, let's hope 104 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,519 he qualifies for All NBA. So I would generally agree 105 00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:04,079 with you, but I actually am more open to the 106 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,399 idea of if the right player came along and they're 107 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:10,560 on the right time or they're the right perfect fit. 108 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:12,800 And I'm not talking about it's not going to be 109 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,000 a start they're not going to we mentioned the swaps 110 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,120 with Milwaukee, They're not going to be the honest team. 111 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,519 Even though in theory that might be somewhat appealing. I 112 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:22,040 don't feel the need to get off. I mean, first 113 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,920 of all, Drew Holliday has been way too important to them. 114 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:25,480 He's been good this year when he's play's been way 115 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,279 too important to them when you look at what they 116 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,519 need out of their guards, I'm just not itching to 117 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,000 move those guys unless it's part of a swing that 118 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,319 fits helps me now and later. Like, I'm just not 119 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:38,000 at the point where I'm looking at, Oh, I need 120 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,160 these deals off the books to plan for what's upcoming 121 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,959 with another player that's already on the roster. 122 00:05:43,439 --> 00:05:45,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I mean, I agree with that. I 123 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,920 think what I was talking about is vers like thinking 124 00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:51,120 in those terms, and maybe I should have included like 125 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,680 getting something for Robert Williams or Metis Stipele guys that 126 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,920 expire like that kind of thing, versus let's put some 127 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:02,639 push some chips in, Like, yeah, I agree, there's not 128 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,160 like some crazy urgency to move off of those those 129 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,399 bigger veteran deals. But if I'm choosing between that kind 130 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,600 of thinking and let's go get in the market for 131 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,399 I don't mean it's all the same names, like there's 132 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:18,720 just none of them make any sense in Portland really, 133 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:20,720 but you know what I mean. As opposed to that 134 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,920 kind of thinking, I would be more more looking at 135 00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:27,199 can I get neutral value, like two smaller deals for 136 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,000 Jeremy Grant or something like that, because like at this 137 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:33,160 time of year ago, man, were they underwater on that contract, 138 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,560 And now that he's played better, might be the time 139 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:38,959 to turn it into something else before he reverts. You 140 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,839 know that kind of thinking. I guess just more measured, 141 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,600 like less exciting trade deadline stuff as opposed to going 142 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,279 out and getting after a big name. 143 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: Speaking of big names, the McHale Bridges rumor, there was 144 00:06:53,879 --> 00:06:56,360 the initial reporting from Jake Fisher of the Steinline that 145 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,959 the Blazers have had a long standing interest in mckail bridge. 146 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:01,079 Speaker 2: Is Grant long standing? 147 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,759 Speaker 1: I'd like to know what is considered long standing in 148 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,319 the NBA because competitive life cycles are so short. Is 149 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,279 this Does this date back to the days of Robert Covington? 150 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: Are we talking? 151 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:15,639 Speaker 3: Was was our vitas simonis on the team? When they 152 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,519 I would okay, let's define it. I'll bet you long 153 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,720 long standing has to at least refer to before Bridges 154 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,759 was a Nick that that feels like that qualifies as 155 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,839 long standing. If you've kind of been after him since 156 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:32,040 he was on a different team, that's that's let's go 157 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,199 with that as the definition. 158 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: So, but that report was coupled with Zach Lowe said 159 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,600 on his podcast that he had heard a wild rumor 160 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,600 that there was some sort of sort some sort of 161 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:46,160 three team trade construction to where Drew Holliday was going 162 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:49,160 to the Knicks, Giannis was going to the Knicks, the 163 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:51,720 Blazers would presumably be getting off Jeremy Grant as well, 164 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,079 and they were getting both Kat and McHale Bridges. That 165 00:07:55,319 --> 00:08:00,319 sounds insane, because one, it is insane. Two, but it's 166 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,800 also a little bit more possible right now than it 167 00:08:02,839 --> 00:08:05,720 would be in the off season, just because McHale Bridge's 168 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,000 salary is gonna skyrocket is right now, him and karl 169 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,439 anthy Town's making whatever it is, like seventy five million 170 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,240 dollars combined. It's a lot different than if they're making 171 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,480 like ninety to one hundred million dollars combined. Yeah, and 172 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:21,079 now the assets that have been mentioned, and this is 173 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,560 not doesn't seem like it's coming out of Portland, just 174 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,480 based off the way, like Giannis to the Knicks, these 175 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:29,199 these teams having long standing interest in new Kale bridges. 176 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,680 I think we can We might be able to source 177 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,639 the genesis of. 178 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,279 Speaker 3: This way better than anybody else. It's like, if you 179 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:36,919 just really. 180 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:39,919 Speaker 1: Hold on Pacomb, Dottier could pop at any moment and 181 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,519 you're just gonna throw him into a deal for salary matching, 182 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:43,879 you got breaks. 183 00:08:44,879 --> 00:08:46,039 Speaker 2: I don't that. 184 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: Mega team construction doesn't like it makes sense for the Knicks. 185 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:54,679 And then I think nobody else at the Bucks. If 186 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,639 the Bucks were to get their three swaps back from Portland, 187 00:08:57,759 --> 00:09:00,320 is that enough for them? If they're getting ants larry 188 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:02,879 assets to where it's oh a swap and Deuce McBride 189 00:09:02,919 --> 00:09:05,360 just as an example, is that even enough to move 190 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:07,559 like or even if it's Portland said we will give 191 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,600 you these three swaps in salary for Yannis, do you 192 00:09:11,639 --> 00:09:14,159 think about doing that as Milwaukee? 193 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,039 Speaker 3: You can't trade Giannis and just get back to zero, 194 00:09:17,759 --> 00:09:20,000 you know, like that that's like just not enough? 195 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:24,799 Speaker 2: You well, can I counterpoint? Okay, what happened? 196 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: What is the singular best asset then that you could 197 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,840 get this summer that would eclipse getting control back over 198 00:09:32,879 --> 00:09:34,279 your next three first round picture. 199 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,279 Speaker 3: Well, I have no idea. I have no idea. But 200 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,639 if I'm the Bucks and the best I can do 201 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,720 is getting three swaps back for Yiannis and no prospects 202 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:48,279 to speak of, no like good contracts that I really 203 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,159 want I got, I'm just gonna wait and hope that 204 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:54,399 the unknown is like I'll take the field, please, like 205 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,080 I'll just I'll take I think not taking that offer. 206 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,159 Speaker 1: When you know that San Antonio and Houston specifically, and 207 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,159 even the Hawks with those picks aren't going to be 208 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,240 involved right now yet, but who's waiting to the offseason. 209 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,559 This is suffice it to say, I don't The fit 210 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:11,360 of McHale Bridges in Portland could make some sense. But 211 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,080 if I'm Portland, I'm not even giving up one of 212 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,080 those Buck swaps for McHale Bridges. 213 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: That's not I'm not doing it. 214 00:10:17,759 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: That's not he's not He's not good enough, and you're 215 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,600 not even if you thought he was good enough, you're 216 00:10:23,639 --> 00:10:25,480 not good enough to make that type of read on 217 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:30,000 a player who's so mercurial. And so I will ask this, now, 218 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,320 what is Portland's biggest need. Let's say they're trying to improve. 219 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:34,320 What are you looking at? 220 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: Well, Holiday being back complicates it a little bit, but 221 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:45,399 I think it's still guard play. I like them defensively. 222 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:49,720 You know, we love Timani Kamara Avdya is a good defender. 223 00:10:49,799 --> 00:10:53,120 He's not great because his workload on offense is so high. Now, 224 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,159 it's just not fair to expect that they have a 225 00:10:55,159 --> 00:10:57,960 bunch of size up front, regardless of who they're gonna 226 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,080 throw out there at center. I think it's I think 227 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,799 it's guard play. I think it's probably a point guard. 228 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,080 It's probably a playmaker. But Scoot Henderson hasn't played a 229 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,600 second this year, and in theory like that's just gonna 230 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,720 be his job. So what are you really willing to 231 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,000 give up to address a need that might be addressed 232 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,320 by the guy you drafted, you know, with a top 233 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,039 three pick not that long ago. 234 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: And also Dame next year. I'm not saying you plan 235 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,200 around that entirely, but. 236 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,919 Speaker 3: I forgot about Dame coming back. Yeah, right, So do 237 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,759 you agree? I had a hard time in answering that, 238 00:11:30,799 --> 00:11:33,159 But I that's where my gut has gone all year, 239 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:35,559 especially when Holiday was out. But is do you have 240 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:36,360 a different answer. 241 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:38,759 Speaker 2: I think that they could. 242 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: Maybe I shouldn't say skew toward indiscriminate shooting, but I 243 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,000 think they could because I think the idea of Michale 244 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,600 Bridges would be you have this wing who will space 245 00:11:48,639 --> 00:11:50,960 the floor and then doesn't torpedo your defense. But I 246 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,919 don't know if is mcal Bridge is gonna shoot it enough. 247 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,159 I would rather see them, even if it comes at 248 00:11:56,159 --> 00:11:59,600 a defensive cost. Just go out and get someone who's 249 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,960 gonna come and hear fire away and make them is 250 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,039 my point, Like they will. 251 00:12:02,919 --> 00:12:06,039 Speaker 3: Perfect Trey Murphy or something like perfect World. 252 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: Just someone that's that's a great name to call out 253 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,200 because you would have to give up stuff to get him, 254 00:12:12,519 --> 00:12:13,559 and I'm okay with that. 255 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,519 Speaker 2: The contract fits into your salary structure. 256 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: He's young ish and he doesn't I think he's only 257 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:20,519 added in value. 258 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: What would he worsen on? 259 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,639 Speaker 1: And by the way, they could get unlike some of 260 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,279 these other teams that are linked at Maybe you would 261 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:28,360 prefer to get off bad like a Jeremy Grant as 262 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:30,440 part of that deal, but you could also get to 263 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:33,240 Trey Murphy's money like you have Robert Williams. You have 264 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,039 mattistiable those expiring, you could get there without sending New 265 00:12:36,159 --> 00:12:38,480 Orleans any bad money, which has just got to be 266 00:12:38,519 --> 00:12:40,799 more appealing to the Pelicans if in fact they're looking 267 00:12:40,799 --> 00:12:42,320 at moving Trey Murphy. 268 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,519 Speaker 3: And maybe that's where those swaps come in too. If 269 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,480 you could just kind of forward those on, it would 270 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,960 be pretty interesting. 271 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: The thing I would push back against is that among 272 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,759 the teams who probably can't guarantee that their own first 273 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,120 round pick won't be more valuable than a public the 274 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,000 Pelicans are up there. 275 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's true. But I meant to say this 276 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,559 earlier when we first brought them up, But like it's 277 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,000 hard to come up with, like the post Jannis future 278 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,120 in Milwaukee has got to be as bleak as any 279 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,320 right around the league in terms of, like, if you 280 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,759 want to be bought in on how bad a team's 281 00:13:21,799 --> 00:13:24,600 going to be in a certain window, that like twenty 282 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:28,120 eight to thirty for the Bucks could be. I mean, 283 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,120 that's way up there in terms of like the assets 284 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:32,240 you would want to have, the teams you'd want to short. 285 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: I yes, I think the I'm trying to think of 286 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,559 the only other team I might consider is the Kings. 287 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,320 But the fact that they control most of their first 288 00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:45,759 round picks, makes it easy well, in theory, makes it 289 00:13:45,799 --> 00:13:47,919 easier for them to climb out of that hell hole. 290 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:50,799 But if we know anything about the Kings, right, they 291 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,480 will probably dig themselves even deeper. 292 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 3: Right, That's a different thing. That's like I just want 293 00:13:55,799 --> 00:13:59,200 the picks of a poorly run franchise like that. That's 294 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,720 different than like you're trying to time it so that 295 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:04,440 this team. That's I mean, the Bucks aren't good, but 296 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,879 like you might have like Warriors picks like further out, 297 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:09,679 you know, post Steph might be really. 298 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:12,639 Speaker 2: Valuable or like for to top the Pelicans. 299 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe, I mean, that's gonna work out well for Atlanta. 300 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:21,480 Uh yeah, I think the Pelicans are gonna be too 301 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:24,320 afraid to trade a pick going forward. It's just it's 302 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,159 gonna be like five years before they trade a first 303 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:26,799 rounder again. 304 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: Man, I if you what is so, what is the 305 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:33,720 t would you be willing in a vacuum? Then let's 306 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:35,600 use Traree Murphy as an example. We could work our 307 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,279 way from there. Would you be willing to include at 308 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,720 least a like one of the Bucks swaps in a 309 00:14:40,799 --> 00:14:42,559 deal for him? 310 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: I think you, Yes, I think you. I think I would, 311 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,960 and I'd probably want it to be as the more 312 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,759 as far out as I could do it, so the 313 00:14:51,799 --> 00:14:54,600 twenty thirty I'd feel better about moving that because maybe 314 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,600 by then the bucks are like back to you know, 315 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,399 the middle of the pack or something. It's is like 316 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,559 a sweet spot. They're definitely gonna be bad. 317 00:15:02,879 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: Would you do something like give the Bucks back the 318 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,480 twenty twenty eight swap and they give you a swap 319 00:15:10,519 --> 00:15:19,759 on twenty thirty one and Ryan Rollins. 320 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 3: I do like Ryan Rollins Um would. 321 00:15:19,039 --> 00:15:21,919 Speaker 1: Actually be pretty good there, but that you get into 322 00:15:21,919 --> 00:15:24,120 the okay dame and scoot of it all. 323 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I maybe maybe that's not a big enough 324 00:15:28,279 --> 00:15:29,840 swing given. 325 00:15:29,799 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: One of the bucks that will give you a sweat. 326 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,639 We're so desperate for twenty eight back. Maybe they think 327 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:37,200 they're getting control of their twenty six or their twenty 328 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,600 seven back because they're twenty even if they're gonna have 329 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,279 a high pick this year, like regardless because of the 330 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,919 less favorable language. So maybe they'd be willing to give 331 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,600 you two swaps back for the twenty like oh, we'll 332 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,440 give you twenty thirty one and to ah, that's too compient, 333 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:53,639 But that'd be interesting. 334 00:15:53,679 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: That might get me thinking. 335 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,039 Speaker 3: I would think about it. Let's do you want to 336 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:02,399 run down shooters just just to like potential targets. I mean, 337 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:04,879 of the guys that are available, you know, it's funny 338 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,639 to do it for every team. I would assume he 339 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:09,600 was shooting forty five percent from three. I don't know 340 00:16:09,679 --> 00:16:12,120 how real that is, but he is definitely someone that's 341 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,519 available that Portland could add, and he does like He's 342 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:17,759 not a playmaker per se, but he does kind of 343 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:24,200 check the guard box that I brought up earlier. Let's 344 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,519 see what about I don't know if they would trade him, 345 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:29,440 but if they are looking to cut money from the 346 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,440 second apron, Sam Merrill would be super interesting. I like 347 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:38,039 that contract for him too. I like that Max Christie's 348 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:43,919 not going anywhere. Bucks aren't trading aj Green. I mean, 349 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,799 is this a Malik Monk team? He might make too much, 350 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,879 but he's shooting a great this year and has kind 351 00:16:49,879 --> 00:16:53,840 of definitely filled the playmaking role in the past ride. 352 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,799 We can send Deuce McBride and the Cat and the 353 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,159 Giant Catbridge is trade? 354 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: Are they gonna how many of the Bucks swaps are 355 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:04,480 the next guy? Would you take a flyer? 356 00:17:04,519 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: Because the shooting is I guess consistently not there? But 357 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:09,519 do you take a fly he just has size? And 358 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:12,640 I think I'm just maybe I'm harping too much on 359 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,759 the scoot and dame eventuality of it all. 360 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: What about like a flyer on Greedy Dick? 361 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: Hmmm? Kind of as a second draft guy at this point? 362 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:24,720 Maybe I mean he's he's done a little bit. Yeah, 363 00:17:24,799 --> 00:17:27,039 I would, I'd be into that if you and if 364 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:31,039 you wanted to. There's all now that that's like the archetype. 365 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,200 Can you do? You want to guess the player I 366 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:42,279 thought of? Next? We get Kevin Herder? Is that doable? 367 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: They used to be shooter Kevin? What was the game 368 00:17:45,519 --> 00:17:48,119 the bulls want? He hit that clutch? That clutch three? 369 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:48,720 I can't remember. 370 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: What about Sam? Sam Houser would have been a perfect 371 00:17:54,759 --> 00:17:57,519 target if things had gone how they were supposed to 372 00:17:57,599 --> 00:17:59,960 go for Boston this year and they weren't. The second 373 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:01,079 steaming the conference? 374 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,599 Speaker 2: Ooh, what about Michael Porter Junior? 375 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,799 Speaker 3: Okay, so that's gotta that's let's dig into that one. 376 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:13,359 That's gonna have to be Jeremy Grant going out probably 377 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,359 unless you want to use well, I guess it doesn't 378 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,519 have to be but that would be the the cleanest 379 00:18:19,519 --> 00:18:22,039 way to do it, wouldn't it, Because otherwise, let's say 380 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:24,799 you do it because Brooklyn wants expirings. You can do 381 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,559 RW three and thighble gets you to twenty five ish, 382 00:18:29,599 --> 00:18:32,279 You're still pretty short there. Ten. 383 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because you for blazers who basically want to 384 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,720 go dollar for dollar to stay out of the tax. 385 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 3: I mean, if you're all the way out on scoot, 386 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,240 there's your other ten as Portland and then like the 387 00:18:42,279 --> 00:18:45,000 picks are probably pretty minimal, But then. 388 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,039 Speaker 2: Then what is the future of your guard position? Though? 389 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 3: Well right, yeah, we have completely veered away from the 390 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,559 guard stuff. Well Dame and Drew Holliday or your point 391 00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:54,279 guards next year. 392 00:18:54,519 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 2: Honestly, that's fair. That's fair, Okay with that? 393 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'm gonna need he hasn't played 394 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:02,720 this season. He's gonna get paid to him, But I 395 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:04,799 like Brooklyn has to send out more. I think in 396 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,839 that maybe maybe not, I don't. 397 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 3: Know, That's what I hadn't thought about that at all. 398 00:19:09,759 --> 00:19:13,039 And also like you're you're making me come around to 399 00:19:13,079 --> 00:19:15,759 the shooting is the bigger issue than just guard play. 400 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:22,039 You can get Adia is like, I mean, he works 401 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,279 as a first as a as a primary creator, like he, 402 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,720 I mean, the offense over all in Portland is not great. 403 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,799 But like, if you're telling me that I can have 404 00:19:29,839 --> 00:19:31,640 Ovidia with the ball most of the time and my 405 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:37,240 secondary creators or Holiday or or Dame next year, I mean, 406 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:40,559 I'll take MPJ over in the Jeremy Grant spot and 407 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,440 their offense is gonna be better. 408 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:45,319 Speaker 1: So hypothetically, if you're gonna go that direction, and I 409 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,000 know I've said this kind of trying to be funny before, Uh, 410 00:19:49,559 --> 00:19:52,359 wouldn't LaMelo we just said Charlotte shouldn't trade him, Like 411 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,319 don't you shouldn't you start? Well, if we put Scoot 412 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,799 on the table, picks other set, like the salary would 413 00:19:57,839 --> 00:20:01,319 be pretty clean to get there, wouldn't you mean, Like, 414 00:20:01,319 --> 00:20:04,400 wouldn't you rather explore getting that position set or yours 415 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,720 you're really committed to? If Avidya is the primary guy, 416 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,920 I'm fine with kind of looking at a bunch of 417 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:12,039 tertiary creators. 418 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 3: I wonder what Blazers fans, if you pull them, what 419 00:20:16,279 --> 00:20:19,799 they would say about Like if the question is are 420 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:22,279 you do you? Are you satisfied going forward with Denny 421 00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:27,519 Avdya as your primary on ball offensive Engine, Like, I 422 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:30,240 think most of them would probably say yes, but like, 423 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,119 but you're you know, it's hard. 424 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:37,079 Speaker 1: I just I guess if you're saying yes because you 425 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,400 think Dame is going to come back from the Achilles 426 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,440 and do be seventy percent of Damian Lillard than it. 427 00:20:43,559 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 2: But otherwise I think not. 428 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,039 Speaker 1: I don't want to say regardless of around him, but 429 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:50,759 it does feel like you're putting a cap on your 430 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:52,920 offense if Denny Avvia has to be the guy, like 431 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000 because you don't have an alternative, then. 432 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,279 Speaker 3: Right, if you have capable secondary creators and a lot 433 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:01,440 of shooting, you could probably get away with it. But 434 00:21:01,759 --> 00:21:04,920 I mean the counter to that is, like the Hornets 435 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,160 offense is fucking awesome, and it's like they like Canipple 436 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:12,279 is pretty accomplished as a secondary creator already, Brandon Miller 437 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,319 can get his own stuff, so it's not like LaMelo's 438 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,880 taking things away so from those guys. So if if 439 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,039 you put LaMelo in Portland, like, I don't feel like 440 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:25,000 Avdia is gonna suffer, you know, because he's gonna get 441 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:27,279 easier shots. He's still gonna get to the line all 442 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:30,079 the time. Yeah, I think, well, if he's not on 443 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,599 the table. But but LaMelo would be like, I mean, 444 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,279 it would change your whole franchise. 445 00:21:35,599 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: Would you consider if it's something like other moving parts involved. 446 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,599 But I don't think you'd be giving up any picks 447 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:47,799 if it's Jeremy Grant and then Matisse Thibel for Manuel quickly. 448 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: Hmm, Zach. Honestly, Jeremy Grant might be enough alone, but just. 449 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 3: Quickly you think the stock has fallen that low where 450 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,480 I can't I mean, Grants. 451 00:21:58,279 --> 00:22:00,839 Speaker 2: The Raptors really need him, is the problem them? 452 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 3: Right? 453 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: And I think he's a little seem to be shopping 454 00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:08,920 him and Yakka Pearl borderline indiscriminately. 455 00:22:09,839 --> 00:22:13,559 Speaker 3: Well, got a shot Pearl, I would my first my 456 00:22:13,599 --> 00:22:18,519 gut on quickly is that he's not an upgrade or 457 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:22,839 like stylistic change at the level of LaMelo. So I'm 458 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:28,400 more inclined to say I'd rather just kind of leave it. 459 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 2: Well, I was saying, and I did. 460 00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 3: I did start this by saying I'd like to move 461 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,599 off of Grant's contract, and so I don't know what 462 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:34,000 to say. 463 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: I was looking at it through what you were saying 464 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,960 about Denny Abdy, is the guy surround him with a 465 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,319 bunch of the secondary guys. 466 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:42,799 Speaker 2: So how much. 467 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 3: Better is Quickly in that secondary role than like Dame 468 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,559 plus Drew next year? Is he like meaningfully better? 469 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:50,839 Speaker 2: Well, I think the appeal is, well, now you just 470 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:51,720 have all three of. 471 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 3: Them, sure, I guess you. But yeah, but you can't 472 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:55,720 play them all? 473 00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:56,799 Speaker 2: Why not? 474 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,079 Speaker 1: Danny Abdy is huge, you can play at least two 475 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:00,160 of them, and Drew. 476 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,039 Speaker 3: Sure, I guess Holiday Holiday is gonna guard threes and 477 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:08,519 fours exclusively. Now your backward defense is maybe maybe that 478 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:12,720 gets it done. I don't know. Let's see what else 479 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:13,680 we got about. 480 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,279 Speaker 2: Do they need a Oh no, he's a little small, 481 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,160 Like what does the shooter need to have? Said? 482 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:21,519 Speaker 1: Like, unless if they're not going to be a ball handler, 483 00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:25,559 I probably want the shooting to come from the wing spots, right. 484 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so then you're talking about again. I 485 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:32,359 keep coming back to Royce O'Neill, like that's I don't 486 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,720 think Phoenix is trading him that deals suddenly. 487 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: Really, but he'd be interesting though. For sure, Kisbert. 488 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: Get him to a third team this year, that'd be 489 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:46,480 that'd be VT crachie. 490 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: I mean, right, he gives you some ball handling. He's 491 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,519 all over the place. But that would be like a 492 00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:57,720 cheap whatever. What about shima Kaya Luke has had a 493 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,960 pretty good year in Utah. 494 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I and I mean that. I'm sure they would 495 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,119 trade him. There's there's no like long term plan there. 496 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: Also, I haven't I don't know how many look aheads 497 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,759 deep we are today, but I haven't mentioned him once. 498 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:12,839 Speaker 2: Justin Champagne from the Wizards. 499 00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:20,039 Speaker 3: Man. Uh, obviously we support the Champagnees around here. Yeah, 500 00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:23,079 that would be good. I'm trying to think like it's 501 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,960 you run out of names pretty fast. If if if 502 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:32,279 the qualifiers are reasonably gettable, wing who can shoot like that, 503 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,720 there's there's not a lot. 504 00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: That they do seem a little bit more interested in 505 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:41,200 playing bigger. There was like the point for the first 506 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,480 I don't know it was the third of the season 507 00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:44,240 or whatever. I felt like they were playing really small. 508 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,200 They look at they would it cost to get Kyle 509 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,720 Philipowski from Utah? 510 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:51,759 Speaker 3: Oh, man, that's interesting, just a pure offense only player. 511 00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:55,319 It wouldn't cost much. I was thinking, if the Lakers 512 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:59,039 aren't gonna do this, they because they shouldn't do anything major. 513 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,720 How'd you know he only costs one? First? We know that, Uh, 514 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:08,759 what what about Like you build something with Jeremy Grant 515 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,799 going to the Lakers and the main piece coming back 516 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,960 is Hatchamura who has his laws but can shoot it, 517 00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:19,039 and then you've got to throw in another what's Tachimura 518 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:22,240 make like eighteen? Maybe it's just Vincent and Hachimura, and 519 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:24,880 then you try to keep Hachimura around for much less 520 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,720 than you would have paid Grant. Otherwise, maybe the Lakers 521 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,759 are interested in the name value and recent production of Grant. 522 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: Do you think you'd have a better chance of get 523 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,640 I know you want to if your goal is to 524 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,759 get off Grant's contract, But would you be willing to 525 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:40,559 keep Grant? And like, couldn't you just use Robert Williams 526 00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:42,880 the third and matist Thaibel's expirings. 527 00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 3: I mean Robert Williams would help the Lake, help the 528 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,519 Lakers a lot. Yeah, maybe Ruy. There's actually a couple 529 00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:54,799 of pathways to getting Rui. And he's I mean some size, 530 00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:58,119 like he could definitely slot into just play some four. 531 00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:00,960 I think it's been long enough now to where it's 532 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,640 like the shot three bunch shot just is real, Like 533 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,119 that's you know, for a long time he was just like, oh, 534 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,000 this guy just takes and makes bad twos, which he 535 00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:11,720 still does. But I think the three point thing is legit, 536 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,799 and maybe you keep him, maybe you resign him. 537 00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:18,079 Speaker 2: Would you take on Clay Thompson's money? 538 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: What am I doing there? Am I giving up just expirings? 539 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:24,599 Speaker 1: Basically, it would have to be that, or you're Jeremy 540 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,599 Grant's going somewhere else and maybe you're getting Clay and 541 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,839 I don't know, Nauji Marshall or yeah, that'd probably be. 542 00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:34,559 Speaker 3: The I think I probably I just one, you're breaking 543 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,359 up the salary. I don't mind that. Yeah, I don't 544 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,160 watched a couple of MAVs GA games pretty recently, and 545 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,440 Clay just I'm not sure anymore. Man, it's pretty sad. 546 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 2: I just it's probably a hard no for me. 547 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 3: Marshall's Marshall I'm interested in, but everyone should be interested 548 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:53,319 in him. 549 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,039 Speaker 1: He also doesn't really feel the shooting void. I do 550 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,960 wonder I'm not giving up a ton andy. He's too 551 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:01,759 important to this team, but maybe that's kind of part 552 00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:03,079 of their problem. But like, what would it cost to 553 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:04,440 get Dean Wade out of Cleveland? 554 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,599 Speaker 3: Not much? Right? 555 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 2: Sure? 556 00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:10,519 Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you were if you could 557 00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:12,319 find a third team in Cleveland doesn't really have to 558 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:14,680 take on any salary. They save a trillion dollars in 559 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,880 luxury tax payments just by moving him. 560 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm hmm. 561 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, would be interesting. 562 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 2: Are you ready for a big name? 563 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:22,759 Speaker 3: Sure? 564 00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:26,039 Speaker 2: What about is this a good Jaron Jackson Junior team? 565 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 3: I mean every team is first of all? What does 566 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,960 that look like? So you're probably best You're as the 567 00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:38,319 Grants money for sure, getting off Grant's money, but you're 568 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,880 I'm just thinking on the court for them. So you're 569 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,920 playing him with Klinging. That's that's your plan. It's kind 570 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,319 of like a Jackson Edy kind of setup, which. 571 00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: Or you could play him at the five too, Like. 572 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I'm just like Clinging is still a priority. 573 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,039 There is what I'm saying. 574 00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:56,799 Speaker 2: Hey, you play five out with Clingon and Jaron Jackson Junior. Right, 575 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:57,720 that's how that would work. 576 00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, So what's that gonna cast? 577 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: Though? 578 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,599 Speaker 3: Because Grant's salary is in it? Are you giving up. 579 00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:08,519 Speaker 2: To get the buck? No, honest question. How many buck swaps? 580 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: If it's Grant plus other money and they could get 581 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,119 there because of what Jaron Jackson Junior is making pretty easy, 582 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,920 Like it could be Grant and r W three or 583 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,599 Grant and Tyble and done. If that's the maybe you're 584 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,599 throwing in Chris Murray as a fly or whatever. But 585 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,599 if that's the you're not giving up like Scoot's not 586 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,359 involved in this or any although if they're trading jaw, 587 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,440 well that might put a premium on Scoot. 588 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 2: But let's say it's not. How many of those buck 589 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,279 swaps would you be willing to include for Jaron Jackson Jr. 590 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,079 Speaker 3: I think it's at least two? Oh how many of 591 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:44,440 my am I as Portland, am I willing to include? 592 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,680 For Jared Jackson? I thought I was because if it's Memphis, 593 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,960 they're asking for all three. I think I think it's 594 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,440 just like that's as a starting point, we want them all. 595 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,839 I think if you could, if you could get out 596 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,079 of that with giving up two of them, I think 597 00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:00,519 that's pretty good because I think getting jack on this 598 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,359 roster with Ovdia and with like I mean, some. 599 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: Of the money cling in, it's it. 600 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 3: Gets pretty interesting. It's pretty interesting there that that's now 601 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,119 a team where it's like you should be one of 602 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,279 the six best in the West, like you should be 603 00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,119 in We're not a playing team at all. Anymore? 604 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: And there I think what's complicated. I think you might 605 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,960 have to give up all three just because your pick 606 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,359 is encumbered two Chicago. Now you couldn't trade like and 607 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,119 you can't unless you're making this move on draft night. 608 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,480 You can't promise your own first round pick until twenty 609 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:34,079 and thirty. 610 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean well right, yeah. The other side of 611 00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:41,599 it is like, if those picks aren't in it, what 612 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,400 kind of picks can Portland put in there? And that 613 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,640 twenty eight makes it? 614 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: So would you do just again? 615 00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:51,079 Speaker 1: This is baseline Jeremy Grant and Scoot and two swaps 616 00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:53,440 for Jaron the two buck swaps for Jaron. 617 00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 2: Man. 618 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: I think you honestly, I think you not that I 619 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,839 shouldn't say I think you have to. But that almost 620 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:07,400 doesn't like is that it swaps, they're not you're getting 621 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:10,920 You're the Memphis is taking a huge game. I agree, 622 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,079 they're value. We're not having this conversation we went through 623 00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:16,799 the teams before about whose future you want to short 624 00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:20,240 the most. We're not having this conversation. If you said 625 00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:22,759 swaps with the Kings may are maybe the Kings, but 626 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,160 you're not having this conversation. There's maybe two or three 627 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,839 other teams where swaps would get another team to pick 628 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,160 up the phone and be like oh. 629 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,519 Speaker 3: Right right, because you're saying, I mean, really, if you're 630 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,960 the equation, if you're the Grizzlies in this hypothetical, you're like, 631 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,599 that could be two picks in the top five, Like 632 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,160 pretty easy, right, Like I mean the odds are like 633 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,200 that's that's what our expectations should be out of that. 634 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,559 So yeah, I don't know. What I love is that 635 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,480 I have not once heard Jared Jackson to Portland as 636 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,519 a rumor, and I feel like we've heard every rumor 637 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,039 or every made up trade for the last three months. 638 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,839 So kudos to you for getting that name out there. 639 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: Aggregate it everybody to it. 640 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,559 Speaker 1: I don't know if I we kind of like got 641 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:09,279 away from just the go get shooting, but it was honestly, 642 00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:11,960 aside from going a Trey Murphy or Michael Porter Junior 643 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,880 looking at a lower end cost guy, it doesn't seem 644 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,920 like there's a lot like camp Spencer. I've thrown his 645 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:19,720 name out a ton, but like I said, if you 646 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:21,759 have Scoot, if the plan is to have him player, 647 00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:22,759 you have dame next year. 648 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 2: I just questioned what his role would be like after 649 00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:25,279 this season. 650 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Portland is well. Portland lends itself to tangents 651 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,920 and like going off in on you know, unexpected directions 652 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,519 because like it's kind of in the middle of the pack. Uh, 653 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,200 there's some real strengths on defense, there's some deficiencies on offense, 654 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,559 and just like between the mixture of players and contracts 655 00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:46,119 and like interesting draft assets, you can kind of go 656 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,279 wherever you want with this team, which is like maybe 657 00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:51,680 the maybe the way to kind of. 658 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: Does that include Karl Anthony Towns and Michael Bridges for 659 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,279 all those basketball that's. 660 00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:57,799 Speaker 3: The way that you won't go. That's the one you 661 00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:00,000 could grat you found the one way that they could 662 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,480 and can't and should not go. What do you just 663 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,240 what do you think is most likely here? Because I 664 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,559 do think it's clear that like you could do everything 665 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,920 from salary dump to chase a player like Jaron Jackson 666 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:16,359 to find a smaller you know, upgrade to your perimeter offense. 667 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,240 Like what do you think if you had to guess 668 00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:25,599 Portland's most likely path is, I think it's just dumping 669 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,240 expirings basically. 670 00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: I think I think if we were to pick the 671 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,200 most likely player to be traded I know they're playing 672 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,880 a little bigger, but it might just be our W 673 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,920 three because they're not going to bring him back after 674 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,279 this year. 675 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,079 Speaker 2: And I don't think batist Thaible is standalone. 676 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:44,599 Speaker 3: Value right RW three is the the right mix of available, inexpensive, 677 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:48,039 expiring and like useful to a lot of teams, I 678 00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:51,440 mean just the Lakers like should be in on him. 679 00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: Will you be a little bummed if, now, if they 680 00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:57,559 use Robert Williams the third or just expiring money to 681 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,599 get actively better and it's not just oh we cut 682 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,200 our tax bill and we got some seconds or any second. 683 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,240 But I'd be a little bit bummed if they don't try. 684 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:09,519 I mean they're I mean, they're all right, They're pretty 685 00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:11,759 far behind the top six, so never mind. I don't 686 00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,640 doing anything too egregious. But the list of names like 687 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,240 Trey Murphy and Jaron Jackson Junior and of course LaMelo, 688 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,240 like those are the names that would get me thinking 689 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:22,519 this isn't just about this season, even if it were 690 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,960 giving up a small ransom for them. 691 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 3: And I think I think that's the way to think 692 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,079 of it too, because they're not I don't I don't 693 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,599 think there's a even if you do go get Jaron 694 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,000 Jackson at this deadline, Like, are you a top four 695 00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:38,279 team in the West? Probably not, Like I think that 696 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:40,799 would be a piece that you're putting in there with 697 00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:43,640 the intention to continue building around it, and you're then 698 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,559 you're a top four team in a couple of years 699 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,240 or three or something like that. Is because avdya Ovdia's 700 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,519 contract and his level of play like really does allow 701 00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:56,400 you to take some swings elsewhere, and you can you 702 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,039 can have some overmarket contracts just because his is so 703 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,839 so far below what he should be paying him. 704 00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:04,319 Speaker 2: Do you have anything else on it? 705 00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: They're kind of gonna be interesting at the trade of deadline, 706 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,239 I think, but we have to remember that as competitive 707 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,440 as they are now, this is still a bigger picture 708 00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:14,280 team I think overall for sure. 709 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 3: Yep, I agree, No, I think that's gonna do it 710 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,760 for Portland. Thanks again for watching for listening, rate and 711 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,920 review and subscribe to with some comments on the Blazer's 712 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,480 a lot of different ways to go. Let I would 713 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:27,119 like I would like Portland fan polls on how comfortable 714 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,239 you are with Danny Avvia as your lead option going 715 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,840 forward and what do you what you think they'll do 716 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,159 and how that differs from what they should do. A 717 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,280 lot of ways to go here, join our discord being 718 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,800 weigh in there as well links in the YouTube and 719 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,599 podcast description. Until next time, shouts Frank Miltine. Apologies, Jared 720 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:42,920 Allen