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Speaker 2: This week, We've done it. We got them.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest mysteries in history has been solved
and we are here to talk about it. Thanks to
some very special and very intimate DNA evidence, Jack the
Ripper has been caught. We are joined by Jesse Wiseman
of Crime Corner to discuss this shocking revelation and the
man they believe for all is the true Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 2: Enjoy the episode. Welcome to Softcore History. What is up?
Welcome back to Softcore History.
Speaker 1: I am your host for the week, Rob Vox, joined
us always by Dan Rojester, and we have a very
special and this time relevant.
Speaker 2: Instead of just like hey, will you do the pod?
Speaker 1: There is an actual reason beside her being lovely, that
she is on the show today.
Speaker 2: Jesse Wiseman of Crime Corner is here.
Speaker 3: Hello, thank you for having me.
Speaker 4: Thanks for coming. Robb always skips over my intro.
Speaker 3: You guys have been fighting. Yeah, I love walking into it, you.
Speaker 5: Know, like a couple that's been fighting, you walk in
and come.
Speaker 3: No, oh, you guys have been.
Speaker 2: No, never find Robin.
Speaker 4: I've never find another human being because I'm a warrior poet.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: So since you edit the show, though, you could during
that entire intro have it on your face.
Speaker 1: That good, just like facing forward, I would say never,
don't even have it on me.
Speaker 2: Not a single shot ever. I did once.
Speaker 6: Upload just the single camera for one show and I
had to re upload. But oh single not that I exported,
just the singles, and it was just on me. There's
a lot of like moments of me just sitting there.
Actually there's mostly me just sitting there going m hmmmm.
Speaker 2: Hmm, thought quietly nodding.
Speaker 3: That's that's interesting. That could be a fun way to do.
Speaker 6: It's a podcasts yeah, and it's probably not great for
this medium.
Speaker 2: But but in general it says more.
Speaker 1: Than I the strong quiet type is the podcast everyone
you're in sport, Yes.
Speaker 7: Of course, lots OF's, lots of did.
Speaker 3: My did my thing go out?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Oh, did it stop?
Speaker 2: I like those kinds that is kind of like like, uh,
it was Alex treatment.
Speaker 1: I feel like, says eight words per episode, gonna let
the guest talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, And so that's why you're here. I
don't want to work. He's not gonna say anything.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm constantly doing twelve other things while we do
the podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys are fighting watching, Yeah, we guys were
Were we not speaking to each other when you walked in.
Speaker 5: Yes, it was definitely like it had gotten to the
silent treatment art of the fight. Believe me, I'm well
bursed in in the exact.
Speaker 2: Rollercoaster that I missed you.
Speaker 1: I like that your fights, both romantically and professionally happened
with the same person.
Speaker 5: Exactly, so like it's a it's a funny dynamic. And
I just put line out on on the show like
on Ross Tires and Revolution, and I know you guys
know it too, and you stay quiet just like, well,
this is not saying there is no winning in this
and I can't take anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always poke, Yeah, definitely, I just quietly take
those free Twitter until it's time.
Speaker 2: To do something fun to get.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I'm typically on your side usually yeah, yeah, right,
how could you not be on my side?
Speaker 2: Always?
Speaker 5: I make good as points when it comes to our
fights on camera.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never met a man so wronged in your house.
Speaker 7: It's so true, right, it's so true.
Speaker 5: And thank you guys when you have me on and
I like, I take pride in why but why do
that today?
Speaker 2: Big news today? This is not just reciprocal for me
being on crime corner.
Speaker 3: The other day. Rogan style, very good?
Speaker 2: Check it so long? I don't I honestly forgot how
long the show's going. You go. So it's just like
you know what, Cliff, I'm doing right with the lawyer?
Speaker 1: Yeah, get gold good anyways, Yeah, check out that crack
for Jesse Wiseman after But we do. This is a
crime episode because ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
Speaker 2: We got him. Mission accomplished.
Speaker 1: Justice has finally been served. Jack the Ripper has been.
Speaker 3: Caught, caught and in jail.
Speaker 2: We got ready to answer for his crown.
Speaker 3: Yep, ready ready to answer all the questions.
Speaker 1: We're going to get to that because that part is
the part of this episode that made me the angriest exactly.
Speaker 2: I will get to that part, but it's a little
too on the nose as well. The actual guy, Oh
he's a bar.
Speaker 1: Bird whoa, which meant a lot of things back then.
Speaker 3: Spoiler, but that actually made a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1: Genetic tests published this week point to Aaron Kuzminski, a
twenty three year old Polish barber and even at the
time of the killings, a prime suspect for the police.
Speaker 8: Because of uh, someone hearing that name being called right,
Remember it was like.
Speaker 2: Gouz Minsky, poor, look baba.
Speaker 3: Right, and then they were using that. They were using
that name as like a.
Speaker 5: Jewish because Minsky were they like it was something, Yeah,
I think if it is the right suspect, but.
Speaker 3: One of the suspects. I think there was someone called
this name, yeah, and it was used in the town.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, so it was a Polish Jew.
It was a Polish Jew.
Speaker 3: Because Minsk.
Speaker 4: A million different ways.
Speaker 1: Not a good not a dub for the Jews this week.
And honestly, if you are like lunatic pro Palestine person,
you gotta be all over this Jack the Ripper stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh, Jews champing. Nothing. What I've been telling you.
Speaker 1: You got a watermelon in your bio, get on it.
This his prime content for you.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 2: But we believe that the Pope shit on it.
Speaker 1: Israel, so we take neither side, of course, of course,
Yeah you would never yeah, no, no, no, no, Just
to be clear, we're not pro.
Speaker 6: Maybe not Francis, so we might replace him.
Speaker 2: He probably more of a hardliner. Yeah. I do like
Pope Frank, but his usefulness has been.
Speaker 6: Served and it's going to be Catholic Dubai anyway. Oh
comes down with like Catholic Disneyland. Yeah, that'd be incredible.
Speaker 2: But yeah.
Speaker 1: The forensic examination that nailed Kuzminsky, that finally got this
son of a bitch, was of a stained silk shawl.
Investigators said that it was found next to the mutilated
body of Catherine Eddo's, the killer's fourth victim in the
Year of Our Lord eighteen hundred and eighty eight.
Speaker 2: Now, Jesse, how do you think specifically we caught this man.
Speaker 3: Specifically? I don't know.
Speaker 2: It has to be some type of for men from.
Speaker 3: The body, those deep DNA on the.
Speaker 2: On the scar, on the on the shawl. He came
on the shawl.
Speaker 3: That was the problem with all of it, right, as
far as these ladies had DNA all over the place.
Speaker 2: Right, they were just glowing.
Speaker 3: Glowing with DNA. So if it wasn't blood, Okay.
Speaker 2: They found one hundred and fifty year old Seamen on
the shawl. Hmmm, they did. Also he murdered before the
nut or after the nut.
Speaker 1: Well, as we know would say like the BTK killer.
They found Semen at the scene. They believe he jerked off.
Speaker 6: Afterwards afterwards, right, yeah, because you would think after a
post not clarity, you wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Kill, you don't kill?
Speaker 5: Yeah, if I don't, yeah, the whole foreplay, right killing.
Speaker 6: Because that's how I feel after I'm asturbate too. It's
just like, oh what have I done?
Speaker 2: Now? Imagine if there's a dead body, right, you can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you if you have the urge to murder
and then you jerk up, there is a zero percent
chance you are going.
Speaker 3: To murder, you would just do that.
Speaker 1: I want a sandwich just so, oh boy, all right,
that is the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I am tired, I.
Speaker 3: Am exhausted. H Okay, Semen on.
Speaker 2: The shawl, Semen on the shawl, and this was.
Speaker 1: Help confirm by my new favorite college job title, professor
doctor whenever in the.
Speaker 2: History of the world. A sperm expert at the University
of Leeds and the United Kingdom helped helped them. Oh gosh, down,
what do you want to be?
Speaker 3: Okay, the just duc a semen.
Speaker 2: Expert, sperm expert, sperm.
Speaker 5: Expert, yeah, forensic sperm expert or just.
Speaker 1: Just a sperm it's just a sperm expert. In the
article from the Scientific American. So this wasn't even like
the New York Post. He was like, yeah, the sperm expert,
old doctor.
Speaker 5: Nutt, like what they said it without even blaking right, right, right, right,
everyone knows that we have that.
Speaker 2: Of course, come down to our sperm laboratory and right, yes,
doctor doctor Nutt will hand it's unfortunate. He's very cood,
very cold.
Speaker 3: And studying it for and.
Speaker 1: See more semen than even off Paul Catherine.
Speaker 2: See imagine, if you can believe it, imagine.
Speaker 4: If Sherlock had this expertise, there would.
Speaker 3: Be no there would be no.
Speaker 1: Sherlock Holmes would just be like, just take Charlock. Holmes
would just take the shawl and be like, pull up
the semen. He would put it the Yeah, but Watson,
which does this semen smell that to you? Perrogis?
Speaker 8: Yes, indeed semen found on a prostitute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't feel like it would narrow it down.
Speaker 5: But but okay, but because there was there's a finite
number of suspects, you've narrowed it down, right.
Speaker 2: It's like Jeffrey he's clear, sure.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, all this other semen totally clear. This Admiral
Semen clear, uh whatever, Actually down man, I'm almost getting
down in Whitechapel. But we wouldn't imagine this, however, is
not the first time. So, like I said, because Minski
was a suspect from the beginning, Yes, he was a
very one of the inner circle suspects.
Speaker 2: I would say there's been so there was some way
accurately like Prince.
Speaker 1: Albert, that type of thing, right, if only that's the dream,
is that it was actually Prince Albert.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you wouldn't.
Speaker 6: Be able to select the fucking giz because it'd be
going like four ways.
Speaker 2: What the Prince Albert? Oh? Yeah, true, the Pierson Yeah. Yeah.
It's like when you old school, do you ever do this?
Speaker 1: I feel like this would be something in your childhood
when like they put a hose in the yard and
they just stamped a bunch of holes in it, so
it's like a de facto sprinkler that the kids run
through it.
Speaker 5: How do they close off the so it's just flowing
out one.
Speaker 1: Side and oh, I think they cap it and then
it's like, yeah, that's sweet little redneck action.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: They say the shotguns the best for home defense because
of the spray. I imagine the best way to get
pregnant is with somebody that has in Prince alb multiple holes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, since I'm on a history podcast, why do they
call it again the Prince Albert? I'm sure you guys
have this in your in your arsenal Right, piercing in
is referring to something to do with Prince Albert.
Speaker 6: Right, I'm only familiar with the wrestler Albert, so it
beats me.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, here's some good ones.
Speaker 1: But possible origins of the name, uh, the dressing ring.
Victorian Haberdashers may have called it the dressing ring because
they used it to secure the penis to the leg
Legend says that Prince Albert used the pierce so legly
he had the piercing so he had a piercing Prince Albert. Yeah,
I guess he used it to pull back the foreskin
to keep it smelling fresh for the queen.
Speaker 2: Cool. Maybe just take a bath. I can't bathe every day.
I have to stable my penis open. Couldn't It wasn't
Prince could.
Speaker 3: Prince could.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true to guys now that you know, are unserved.
Speaker 6: They have an art time cleaning that. So he's just
making it easier on himself to saniti.
Speaker 1: So the one of the myths was is that he
was he just had such a big dick that he
needed to anchor it to his leg.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, and then that the piercing comes from.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, having a big dick.
Speaker 3: I knew it was like something.
Speaker 6: Not great for battle, right, I mean, Prince albertn't go
swinging around.
Speaker 2: I actually don't know who Prince Albert is. Like Victoria's husband, okay,
but also the son and.
Speaker 1: Her grandson I believe was Prince Albert. Yes, but her husband,
her beloved husband, was Prince Albert.
Speaker 4: So again, I'm only familiar with a tran the wrestling
of who a Tran.
Speaker 2: Also known as Albert? Oh yeah, no, I literally who
that is. It's the big fat bald man.
Speaker 1: But yeah, kauz Minsky had been linked to the murders
before from the beginning. The test compared fragments of mina
caadural DNA, which is the DNA inherent from your mother,
only from your mother.
Speaker 6: Hey, you watch your mouth your mother? What I thought
it was like an insult?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, your mother. Yeah you got this Jews from
your mom, didn't you. Yeah? Yeah, yeah, she's got a
lot to hang it out, you know. You know what, George.
Speaker 1: They cross reference it with descendants living descendants of both
Eeddo's and Kazminsky. The DNA matched a living relative of
kauz Minsky, so they concluded that kause Minsky was the
one who he did bleed on it as well. But
they conceivemen too, okay, and so they were like, yeah,
that's kiz Minsky.
Speaker 2: It matches with his current descendant.
Speaker 1: The analysis all suggested the killer had brown hair and
brown eyes, which agrees with evidence from the eyewitnesses that
Kaminsky was a brown hair.
Speaker 2: Brown eyed Jewish pollnock yep, yeah, so does that limit
it though?
Speaker 4: Brown eyes, brown hair, and that's no good.
Speaker 2: England At the time, no, you all the blue eyes
are were common in the UK.
Speaker 5: Now they were not at the time, apparently, right, So
the that's I mean, that's how they they were just flake.
Speaker 1: Oh a brown a white, brown eyed, brown eyed man
stabbed him.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I'll just check the whole fucking see. Brown eyes,
I'm the most common, right in the universe.
Speaker 1: Uh, I have blue eyes, so I special.
Speaker 2: But I think green eyes are the most rare.
Speaker 4: Blue eyes are second, and everyone has brown eyes.
Speaker 2: Brown is the baseline. Brown is the original human eyes.
Speaker 3: And then there's like variations of best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what do you guys have? Blue? Bluish? Oh,
we're all bluish. Look at you, blonde hair, blue eyed.
Speaker 5: I need listen. I am the opposite of this guy. Yeah,
I would be on the other side, if.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I'll the Jewish math. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you would become covered.
Speaker 3: I'm holding the door to the gas chamber.
Speaker 2: Do you say, yeah, when you work in the office.
Speaker 3: I'm working in the office, probably some kind of secretary
or whatever. Yeah, Like I'm not in any.
Speaker 2: Way, Like I told you. I think I told you
on the Grand Corn that I felt bad for the old.
Speaker 5: Secretary that they finally I think we were talking about
in reference to this where it's a little bit like
they got him and you go, okay, but he went
his whole life.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, but I think you should have to execute
that person based on their time. So we catch all
the Nazis, execute them in the manner that they were
executed in their forties.
Speaker 2: Hang hang yeah, yeah, hang a ninety five to.
Speaker 5: One hundred year old, or like gas put them in
a gas shape, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Or like electric chair?
Speaker 4: Yeah, watch that old bag fry.
Speaker 1: I mean, hanging a ninety five year old I feel
like would not be difficult because break neck right, I mean,
probably decapitate them.
Speaker 5: Pop more disturbing for you, you know what I mean,
for you to watch it than for it to be
like satisfying for.
Speaker 2: Boy. We got god, everyone feel cool.
Speaker 3: We'll still feel super good about this. And we're sure
it was him. There was sing star So how.
Speaker 2: Caranny go out? Oh boy? Yeah? Meanwhile died.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess she was a secretariat duckhouse. You know, honestly,
if it was my grandmother, I would be like, I
don't care.
Speaker 2: She's all we.
Speaker 5: Were hiding her we'd be accessories and there's obstructions.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, listen, mister Massad, I understand your point,
and I am I'm sorry all of a sudden, yeah, sure,
circle of life. Uh So Aaron Kazminsky, let's get a
little background him. He was born in Poland, which was
then part of the Russian Empire. It's not precisely known
when Aaron left Poland to join his sisters in Germany,
and he lived in Germany for only a short amount
of time. He left Poland after the attempted or I'm
sorry the not the attempt is the assassination of Tsar
Alexander the second, because, believe it or not, after Tzar
Alexander the second was assassinated, a bunch of Russians were
like Jews, yeah, and so a whole lot of Jewish
people had to get the fuck out of Russia.
Speaker 2: That is, this is actually one of the things that
I believe.
Speaker 1: Is a source of a lot of maybe not Ellis Island,
which is a lot of American immigration as well a
lot of the a lot. This is when a lot
of Jews came to Russian Jews, Polish Jews came to America,
right we're gonna.
Speaker 2: I didn't do anything. They're like, yeah, you're all in Kousi.
Speaker 1: They're all rip it up ladies, and yeah, yeah, so
they had to get the fuck out of Russia or
Russian territory, I should say they're in Poland technically. The
family finally moved to Britain and settled in London sometime
in eighteen eighty one or eighteen eighty two.
Speaker 2: Allegedly, he shouted, he.
Speaker 1: Started showing symptom symptoms of mental illness in eighteen eighty
five and had been in and out of insane asylums.
Speaker 7: But like back then, right, pretty.
Speaker 5: Broad, uh, when they're talking about mental illness, right, Like
if you were just like a little bit you.
Speaker 2: Had a bad day, everyone happened ran.
Speaker 5: The gamut though, right, but yeah, it could be like
a woman out her period.
Speaker 6: Or England and the lady eighteen hundreds just smoke stacks,
like the city's full of smile.
Speaker 2: It's just nothing but lead and cold smoke.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, like what you haven't seen the sun in years.
Speaker 2: Syphilis is not cured for sure.
Speaker 3: They're all running around like city full his brain.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so I think just a standard Londoner really
at this point.
Speaker 3: That sounds about right.
Speaker 2: Nothing nothing out of the ordinary so far.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: He apparently feared other people would refuse to eat and
bathe according to one historian. And like I said, he's
twenty three when he went on the killing spree when
he was in London, when he did work, because Minsky
was a barber. Uh, in a he's afraid of people,
though not all the time. I guess he sucked it
up either.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's being so you don't really like talk to
people that much, right, they're like.
Speaker 3: The hairstyles, the hairstyles doing the barber way different.
Speaker 2: It's always on one conversation, the.
Speaker 3: Blades of it all.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the eight friend.
Speaker 1: Barbar o, nonsense, they're all just heads to him, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2: He doesn't know any He doesn't know people. He just
knows the hair and the head.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't really they don't really talk like back
in the day, for sure, dudes would go to the
barber to like chill the fuck out.
Speaker 3: It's like a.
Speaker 2: Spot, get a ship.
Speaker 3: If you're not talking, you're literally just like playing back.
Speaker 1: Cigarette in the mouth, fucking shape and yeah, yeah nothing.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a perfect job for someone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty basic. Like uh other wife and kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: And you're done.
Speaker 6: Meanwhile, the fucking hairstylus is just like telling you about
her cat and her very sad and pathetic life.
Speaker 2: Jesus correct.
Speaker 6: Have you ever talked to a hairstylist that it's the
worst conversation ever?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've just talked to many of That's why I'm
no longer actually talking to one right now.
Speaker 3: I agree with him. I agree with that.
Speaker 2: And they're all bees. They stand all day and they're
all fat, and.
Speaker 5: If they're not, they're fucking crazy. Hairstyle hairstylists are crazy.
Speaker 3: The hours.
Speaker 5: See, we our weekends are Sunday Monday, so we seem
like fucking alcoholic, you know what I mean, Like we're
working when you.
Speaker 2: Guys, they're probably drinking on the job.
Speaker 5: Harder to do last place I worked, Yeah, but like
you do, it's easier to do drugs so you can
like stay up, take a bunch of like clients. So
there's just crazy looking coke weird party hours.
Speaker 3: Anyways, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I also only ever had like I guess what you
want to say, fat hairstyles whatever at.
Speaker 2: Like cheap places.
Speaker 1: That's not a thing, and like nice that the nice
hair salons I've been through whenever, they're.
Speaker 5: Absolutely like aesthetically absolutely right.
Speaker 2: Not sport clips.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to sports clips either, Dude, super cuts
not super cuts.
Speaker 2: Where is the mall? Are you getting your hair? I
know we don't know a barber.
Speaker 5: But I know where you were going, and that's the
equivalent of super cuts.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit better.
Speaker 3: Stats, it's a little better, but it's definitely like a
right out of Cosmetolson.
Speaker 2: Also used to get my hair cut at Lfetopic. Oh okay,
I don't even know how that would be perfectly fine.
Speaker 6: Forty dollars Okay, how much should you spend on your hair?
Speaker 4: It's forty dollars enough for your up forty dollars a lot.
Speaker 2: In a pinch, it should be twenty five dollars. Oh really,
I think it's about fifty on my last one salon.
Speaker 7: What they do.
Speaker 3: That's fucking crazy, dude.
Speaker 2: Okay. It was cut after place right now. It was
a dude place, but it was like staffed by women,
but it was like a nice place. It wasn't like
sport Clips or whatever the fuck. Oh, they gave you
like a nice class sup urban.
Speaker 1: The shampoo shaved the neck okay style which I just
put my hand back on.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you don't really your hair is just glued
to your head.
Speaker 1: Oh no, man, it is right now, but it flies
up when I don't wear my hand and again that's
whole going at home.
Speaker 2: But I'm fucking lazy, fucking kids. You know you have
a start. I have leg hair.
Speaker 5: Sweet Anyways, what I also wanted to say is cosmetology
school is it's a year of like every day eight
hours for a year. Barber you have to go for
two years and it's like a lot more intricate.
Speaker 2: And no offense, but not the best and brightest.
Speaker 3: Barber for some reason.
Speaker 5: I think, as you're dealing with blades okay, I don't know,
I'm saying.
Speaker 2: For you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we're not dealing with flake sharpay all drugs
by things.
Speaker 3: So it makes sense to me the barber.
Speaker 1: Because my haircuts last thirty minutes. My wife's hair appointments
are like two fucking hours long.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, but it's not. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, because.
Speaker 5: Barber's is usually man and so they want them to
be like, you know, more skills, sure meen, They're like
do you look in.
Speaker 2: The collar are right there? I go, just put it in.
Speaker 1: It's just a bottle. They think you're doing more work.
And he was a barber, by the way, in the
White Chapel. It's also easier for us if you fuck
up our haircut.
Speaker 2: To ship my head. Yeah, give me up, just do it.
Speaker 1: And Whitechapel uh is where quite a few Jewish refugees
that were fleeing Eastern Europe ended up inta so a
very Jewish area. But like I said, he only works sometimes.
He only worked sporadically apparently, and by eighteen ninety one
he hadn't even attempted to have a job for years.
So he's just living off his sisters, kind of bumming
around from not I guess technically homeless, but not sleeping
on the street type of situation.
Speaker 5: Well, the way that that that part of town was
set up, it was a lot of like bunk houses.
Speaker 3: So basically everyone was just thitten wall away.
Speaker 2: From like literally sleep on.
Speaker 3: The streets the living just like yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a fucking nightmare. And he came up, like
I said in the reports at the time. In eighteen
ninety four memo written by Sir Melville mangitchen man changing
whatever the fuck?
Speaker 2: Written by assistant Assistant Chief Constable.
Speaker 1: No, no, it's just a weird British name or Scottish maybe,
I don't know. The chief Assistant Chief Constable of the Lunner
Metro Police named one of the suspects as a Polish
Jew called kauz Minsky. The constable stated that there were
strong reasons for suspecting him because he had quote a
great hatred of women and strong homicidal tendencies.
Speaker 2: So this guy hates hates sluts, well, all women.
Speaker 3: I guess they couldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you find out that he hates women?
Speaker 5: It's also weird back in the day, and that they
couldn't just be like you're going to jail, do you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 3: Right, the thing to get DNA and all that wasn't
even a thing?
Speaker 2: Is it is funny? Like, oh, we don't call enough evidence?
So what do you meanence, you don't care about the
evidence exactly?
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Like everyone he's a menace, right,
nobody likes him. You think it's him?
Speaker 2: He's not contributing to something.
Speaker 4: Slash schools and asked questions lander.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, one's gonna fucking protest.
Speaker 3: The police just fucking grab.
Speaker 7: Him the kiel him.
Speaker 1: Another assistant Commissioner, Sir Robert Anderson, in his memoirs in
nineteen ten, claimed that the Ripper was a quote low
class Polish Jew, and Chief Inspector Donald Swanson, who led
the Ripper investigation, named the man Kazminski in handwritten notes
in the margin in the margins of his presentation copy
of Anderson's memoirs. However, this was a heavily populated area
as far as jew the Jewish population was concerned, specifically
Polish and Eastern European Jews. And these people only never
gave a last name. Oh, they never said Aaron Kazminsky.
They just said Kisminsky.
Speaker 3: It was always other people.
Speaker 2: There's other Kusmin's. Well, Dad, I don't a picture.
Speaker 1: Dad never Dad is either killed in the pograms or
it was just like my family left and I didn't
like that much.
Speaker 2: I'll probably just have a new family. Yeah whatever. Eighteen
eighty stuff for sure. Not an uncommon name, though not
as far as I'm aware.
Speaker 1: Not in a terribly uncommon name, not like Smith, per se,
but like not uncommon. In nineteen eighty seven. The Ripper
author Martin Martin Faido searched asylum records looking for any
inmates called Kisminsky, and he found only one, and that
was Aaron Kazminsky. Okay, at the time of the murders,
Aaron lived in the area, and he lived in two
different places, both of which were really close to the
sites of the murders.
Speaker 2: And the description I.
Speaker 1: Guess by the asylum that he stayed, was kept in
until he died, by the way, he died in an asylum.
Oh really, Yeah, Aaron Kinsky died in an insane asylum.
Speaker 3: That someone him.
Speaker 2: That he was at some point forced to be. Okay,
did he get lononomized?
Speaker 1: Uh no, he didn't. I'll get into that a little bit,
but he did not. Aaron Kazminsky's symptoms indicate I don't
think they wrote this at the time. I don't know
if it was a thing at the time, but they
the symptoms they did write down indicate that he probably
had paranoid schizophrenia.
Speaker 2: There's a checking checking boxes, hates women. Here's voices also
seems easy to limit. Now you he's institutionalized. We have
records of when he was and then there was no
murder after.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, well the murders. He was institutionalized after the
murders had edited.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But like years after that, a couple of years after
the murders headed it, the murders just stopped.
Speaker 3: Right right, So when he went in.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, they stopped before that, like it just stopped happening.
I think maybe there was too much heat. They finally
had someone police Whitechappel.
Speaker 3: And I think his name was out there, do.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Because Minsky was out there at least in the like
rumblings in the town.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, yeah yeah, or like a threshold of craziness
that you can no longer murder.
Speaker 2: So when he was writing he's too incompetent, he's too
crazy to kill.
Speaker 5: At that point, when he was doing BTK stuff like
writing letters to the police and stuff, they had no idea.
Speaker 3: He was like, oh, they say I'm a doctor the
boss letters. Yeah yeah, and they say I'm a doctor,
ha ha.
Speaker 5: And then when they finally got a little bit closer
to him, I think it's.
Speaker 3: When he was like, oh shit, ad.
Speaker 5: Because he was playing with them when they like had
no idea and at first was just killing, but eventually
started fully mutilating, pulling, like.
Speaker 1: Because at first the killings were just basically killing, like
a throat slitting.
Speaker 2: And off into the night. But eventually he started pulling
organs out.
Speaker 5: Dude, eyelids, fucking ears like everything, all.
Speaker 1: Kinds of wacky shit, real cool shit. Now, do you
believe even though they've caught this man, do.
Speaker 2: You believe it was just one person?
Speaker 5: I believe they attributed a couple things to him that
may not have been in.
Speaker 2: Okay, because I believe the official ripper count.
Speaker 5: Was eleven, right, and I think some of the early
ones that weren't that bad or like prostitutes killed, they
attributed to him, which I don't think.
Speaker 2: Could have been. Yeah, I don't think he was alone.
Speaker 3: War at that time.
Speaker 2: Like you know, no, are we asking the right questions though?
Was he a CIA asset? Did he work for the massade? Yes?
Speaker 1: I think perhaps maybe totally blanking on the on the
name of the program with the lsd oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a war Wood. He was what was.
Speaker 1: The mk alter, Yes, he was mkult the first mk
Ultra and by the way, it was just Mercury though
to his head he was Rennick.
Speaker 5: So he was running around telling everyone that he was
working for Yeah.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I think that's how they knew
he hated women, because at some point he just had
a pub or something and he's like, oh I I, oh, well,
I guess you're not British, but I was gonna go British.
Speaker 2: Oh I hat Oh fucking sluts, they're old. Time a
woman walked past something, he just made a screech, right.
Speaker 5: If he didn't have any money, and they were like
he wanted he was an insult, a little bit of
an insult maybe of like because like, by the way,
wars everywhere at this time in miss Town. Yeah, a
lot of women on there, you know, down trodden uh
dunes have left. Alcoholics need a way to make money
in that time.
Speaker 3: It's either the mom's, the whites whatever out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You can either go work in a factory and get
like a shekel a day and then get sucked into machinery,
or you can make a pound a day at night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, factory jobs are for the children.
Speaker 2: I agree with that. They can get in the small crevices.
They can get them, their little fingers can get.
Speaker 1: The notes from the assistant to constable also said that
kauz Minsky indulge in quote solitary vices, and Anderson wrote
in his memoirs that his suspect had unmentionable vices, both
of which matched the claim that Aaron Kazminsky committed self abuse.
Speaker 3: That's in quotes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, self abuse.
Speaker 1: The masters, well he jerked off a lot, that's what
they could, yes at the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, meta sounds like self that's self care.
Speaker 3: Self care.
Speaker 6: Yeah, these days, I thought you were gonna be like, oh,
we get the Nine Tales and was just like lashing himselves.
Speaker 3: Dude, ship was fucking crazy back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why the key breaks it plasly Lonster, the
rookie numbers.
Speaker 5: But yeah, the stories that you wtes you because they're
always around this time. Yeah, it's just the real examination
of just his how fucking occurs and different and weird.
Speaker 2: Things like you could literally wow.
Speaker 6: That long ago it was so well he's.
Speaker 1: But isn't it funny Like we do an episode on
Teddy Roosevelt and we're like the Guilded Age, the eight
gen Age, the exact same time, Like this guy masturbates,
he's insane, he's self abused. What you could probably have
that used against you in court, Like, isn't it true?
Speaker 3: Self abused?
Speaker 10: She self abuse regularly, so and everyone's like, oh, like
but everyone's up, but they're like, I would never.
Speaker 6: What's also around the same time that where it'd be
like fourteen people in the same family and a one
bedroom apartment. Yes, yeah, so yeah, it is a little
weird if he's just cranking it in the corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess there is no private bath for really
to do anything.
Speaker 3: There's some people in these bunk houses that would sleep
tied to ropes so they wouldn't fall out. Yeah, if
there was no room to like lay it down.
Speaker 1: That's how that's how the term hangover came about, because
you're so drunk that they would tie you or you
would like sleep basically on a rope. You could find
like a place to sleep for the night, and it
would just be on a rope. Yeah, because you don't
want to sleep on the ground.
Speaker 2: I guess there's it's anywhere. I swear to God.
Speaker 1: The last detail about uh. They all they claimed that
the Kizminsky killer died before nineteen nineteen, but Air and Kizminsky,
according to records, lived until nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 2: Died in the insane.
Speaker 1: Asylum, and the only person whoever had a good view
of the murderer identified kauz Minsky. But the police class
am of the police claim. I believe Anderson was Yeah,
Anderson lamb in his memoirs, it was not possible to
prosecute him because the witness and the culprit were both Jews,
and Jews were not willing to testify against each other, so.
Speaker 3: They did kind of know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But other police were like, that's bullshit, okay, Like
he's like the Jewish people would absolutely, absolutely did testify
against each other.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you would say that, Okay, So
Anderson wrote that.
Speaker 1: So that is probably a literally untrue thing that Anderson
wrote in his memoir that named kauz Minsky the killer. Now, interestingly,
maybe in Kazminsky's defense, Aaron Kazminski's defense, when he was
in the asylum, he was described as harmless once he
was there.
Speaker 2: Now he was taken to the asylum, I actually forgot that.
I did. We do know why he was taking the asylum.
He had been taken into custody for threatening.
Speaker 1: Either his sister or the sister of a witness with
a knife, women.
Speaker 3: Going to what I don't know, Okay, but.
Speaker 1: He was threatening a woman, either his sister or so
maybe there's someone else seeing him act crazy.
Speaker 2: He was threatening them with a knife and was arrested
and just never let out a care.
Speaker 3: He's just not fitting the profile.
Speaker 2: They found. Are we convinced a lot of people aren't?
Speaker 5: There has been putting it, Okay, if I go, I
don't know, dude, because.
Speaker 11: The profile of like the Ripper eluded people for a
very long time, was precise in and out, didn't get caught,
not dumb writing letters?
Speaker 2: Do we think the letters were from the Ripper? Because
that happens, right?
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you said he's a skitzo, so he has
multiple personalities.
Speaker 2: Maybe one's really clever.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just fucking uh what's his name from split
James McAvoy?
Speaker 3: This just isn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what his skills were as a barber
and with cutting and stuff like that, But.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I'm not getting the if literally eviscerating corpses, this crazy.
Speaker 5: Person can't not get caught, do you know what I mean?
Like a crazy person is also slung a crazy person?
Speaker 3: What's like with the Night Sisters and stuff like, perhaps.
Speaker 6: He came across some body that was already you know, killed,
and he just jacked off on it because he hates women.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or he had sex.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I
don't know.
Speaker 2: He was he was.
Speaker 1: Just unlucky, bad luck chuck. Every prostitute he banged as
um murdered.
Speaker 3: But how do we know that all of all of
that he banged all of.
Speaker 2: Those Otherwise, I don't know. And I on one scarf,
D one scarf.
Speaker 6: I am curious you're saying he's the perfect fall guy.
Speaker 2: There's there's another thing.
Speaker 1: I don't remember if I put this in my notes
or not, but I did find this.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it is right here.
Speaker 5: It is right.
Speaker 6: It sounds like you just want the Ripper to be
a little bit more sexydicated.
Speaker 2: Yea special like a Johnny dub. Yeah, yeah, I got
a dead sweety top. Oh I thought you were referencing
Johnny dem was in a jacked Yes exactly, but he was.
Speaker 3: I just want I if you go.
Speaker 7: Through all the different cases.
Speaker 5: And everything, he does not like he doesn't read as
just a crazy psycho person, right, He reads as someone
as someone that cannot, like, you know, squash the urge.
Speaker 1: To which is how you when you talk when you
see like interviews with later serial killers, they're not crazy.
Speaker 5: I mean that's how they're able to get away with
it is because like they're very rationally being like this
is what I had to do.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite lines from any movie ever. Have
you seen you Red Dragon? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, when Edward Norton's talking to Hannibal Lecter and
he's like, I had certain are you had certain disadvantages?
Speaker 2: And Hannibal Lecters like watch of them, and bed Norton
just be goes.
Speaker 1: You're insane, right, but like he's clearly still the smartest
person in every room exactly.
Speaker 2: But you get caught right because.
Speaker 3: You're yeah, you're given to the sge part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you eventually keep going. I agree with you. There's
a certain lack of cleanliness with this person. Yeah, it's
a lack of precision. Yes, I think.
Speaker 1: Also, we can't rule out you said he found the
dead body and was like, oh sweet, I hate women.
Speaker 2: Let me jerk off. What if, as we mentioned earlier theory,
like we.
Speaker 1: Said, he there no one has a quiet place to
jerk off. He really wants to jerk off. There's a
there's a room, there's only a dead body in it, and
he's just like, well, this is an ideal, but I
want to get the job done because I'm a self
abuser and I just need it right.
Speaker 5: He would have to find them in the fields, though
I don't think they are in rooms, right, some.
Speaker 2: Of them were some of them, I don't you know
better than me.
Speaker 4: I thought like alleys either word outside, yeah, behind.
Speaker 3: Where there were found. Yeah, like the blood is like
draining into But anyway, so.
Speaker 1: Here's another problem with kauz Minsky. Potentially in the asylum.
Kazminsky preferred to speak Yiddish, which was his native language.
Speaker 2: He was not a native English speaker.
Speaker 1: Obviously, in the cases, English might have not been that great,
which means he would have had trouble, or maybe it's
been straight up not able to persuade the English speaking
victims into dark alleyways, as the ripper was alleged to
em dust sure, you dumb.
Speaker 2: You gum, Yes, what you want?
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: They were a lot of them, well, I think one
of them was it, But most of the women were
really pretty falled out drunk.
Speaker 3: Okay a lot of the times, so easy to.
Speaker 2: Just be like glum glumb globe. I just imagine they
were high on opium in the entire time.
Speaker 5: That was more of a rich person's game, right, because
you have to go to the doctor get it.
Speaker 2: I think it was all the street. My only knowledge
of that is dead wood.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so it was just free flowid.
Speaker 2: At the same time. Oh, were they doing opium? Bone
spoonfuls of opium? Yeah.
Speaker 1: He watched Bone Tabahawk for the first time last night
and it disturbed him as.
Speaker 2: Much that would.
Speaker 6: I uh, I have a new found fear. And it's
being splin half by the balls.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen? Oh, it's one of the great
death scenes in cinema history.
Speaker 5: It's got your boys, got curt in it, which is
just like i'd heard.
Speaker 2: It was very like, that's not what I haven't want
to go for. Is just a Kurt Russell.
Speaker 1: I feel like you would also, so fine, Matthew Fox
to be a little daddy.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, he's got a mustache.
Speaker 1: All right, Fine, it's all your dudes in this movie,
and you might not be there yet.
Speaker 2: Runtime's not bad. It's about two hours and ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Sweet, you might not be there yet, but I do
feel like eventually you will see Richard Jenkins as a
daddy as well.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's in that Well okay, sweet, but I
think you're like fifteen years away from being Richard Jenkins. Love.
Speaker 3: No, you think it's incredibly crare, he easily personally.
Speaker 4: So a man gets first scalped alive and then they.
Speaker 2: Turn him upside down.
Speaker 6: They start cutting his balls and his dick off, and
then continue to cut up his groin and then give him.
Speaker 2: Half his tape.
Speaker 4: They cut him so sweet and actually we're gonna be
talking about something like that on the Patrioch.
Speaker 2: Sweet. I mean the scene opens. The movie opens with
a throat slitting gone wrong. Love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a guy is not very good at slitting throats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great.
Speaker 1: It's a great comedic scene, like a very dull knife
and the guy's just like his Bunny's just like, come on, man,
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Speaker 2: So speaking English not necessarily a deal breaker, or not
speaking English, I should say not necessarily a deal breaker
on being able to get them. Maybe he just was
like the strong, silent type and was like just like
hand out, like FuG them. They're like a name miss
Terarious Germany. I don't, I don't look at no, won't.
Speaker 4: I don't don't won't it?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Those thank you?
Speaker 4: What do you actually look like? Was he a handsome
fellaw Aaron Kazminski.
Speaker 1: Uhh, we have a reproduction.
Speaker 2: Sure that's good enough for men.
Speaker 6: This is.
Speaker 1: The reproduction of him, not that he was twenty three
at the time, by the way, so about as good
looking as you could be.
Speaker 2: Like he wasn't he wasn't weathered. That's another thing, though,
I don't want a twenty three year old barber. Is
that seasoned about? Yeah? I mean maybe at.
Speaker 5: Those times they were thought of it as more like
clet you know what I mean, Like it's more like
peasant job.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: It is like a poor person job. I mean it's
a servant job. So like even a barber for the
Prince Albert or something is probably still like just middle
class at best, right, Like he's.
Speaker 2: Not but he's not with server.
Speaker 3: No, it's not like how we think of or well
not doubt you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan has a horrific take on on hairstylist. Yeah,
at the venom that.
Speaker 2: Came from all that was shot who. I don't know
why either. I just I've never did it a hairstylist.
Speaker 4: It's just every time I get the chair, they piss
me off.
Speaker 7: I'm a piece of shit.
Speaker 2: So, now that the news.
Speaker 1: About Kuzminsky is out in the world and people look,
I think probably we'll give our final verdicts at the end,
but I think we may be jumping the gun a
little bit. But there are some people who are very,
very ready to declare.
Speaker 2: Kazminsky the killer.
Speaker 1: And these are the worst people in the entire story,
perhaps even more so than Kazminski himself. The relatives of
the five known victims have pushed Scotland Yard to take
a fresh look at the one hundred and thirty seven
year old case because of the information. Now here's a
quote from one of the descendants of one of the
victims of Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 2: We have got the proof.
Speaker 1: Now we need this inquest to legally name the killer.
It would mean a lot to me, to my family,
to a lot of people to finally have this crime solved.
Speaker 6: So people aren't doing this out of the goodness of
their heart. They're trying to free and clear their relatives.
Speaker 2: This is a bias. No, no, no, no, these are
these are relatives of the deceased, of the victims.
Speaker 1: Okay, this the first and only thing, the first thing
I thought when I read well they want closure, Rob,
And the only thing I can think now is that
this is the most stolen fucking valor fav It would
mean so much fai great great ant.
Speaker 3: Great great great, Like we don't even.
Speaker 1: Really know for like five five generations have been losing
sleep over who Jack the Ripper is.
Speaker 3: Just you know, it's like it's like, who's the Goldman daughter.
Speaker 5: I just watched the Yeah, the Goldman daughter, the Goldman sister, remember, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 3: Her name is, Yeah, yeah, she is, I mean tormented
with this.
Speaker 2: At least it's brother, That's what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they are tried, and even then I go, girl.
At this point though, at this point, you know, it's
been hell many here.
Speaker 6: This is definitely worse than Rob trying to steal a
ballot for his grandfather at.
Speaker 2: The Battle of the Bulge, which I was just about
to Oh, that is so crazy.
Speaker 1: It's fucking crazy and for two reasons with that. But
what this reminded me of one of the things reminds
me it's not so much. I haven't seen it as much.
Speaker 2: In the last like I don't know.
Speaker 4: Well, the craziest part was it wasn't even the World
War two battle. His grandfather was at the other battle Bulge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an underwear dance off competition in nine
sixty three which he won. Of course he did defeat
a German. Nothing I've said it lies. Yeah, my grandpa
defeated the Germans at the Battle of the Bulge. What
what do you what? Fact check that? Fact check it
when I say that was a lot? Oh was that
implying thing? Though? You were putting things onto my words? Uh,
but there was a thing online for a while I saw,
you know, because people are all trauma, trauma, trauma.
Speaker 1: It's like I would see people say stuff like we're
still dealing with, you know, the trauma our grandparents never
dealt with from being in World War Two.
Speaker 5: I wanted to just like you know, like sell the
new thing of like the cellular trauma where it's like
in your body.
Speaker 1: If I could, I wanted to tron my way into
my computer and then tron out of their computer and
beat them to death.
Speaker 6: Generation How long generation of trauma built up in my DNA?
Speaker 3: How many great great damn damns?
Speaker 5: Is this.
Speaker 2: Six generations?
Speaker 3: Six generations?
Speaker 12: They're not even a great They don't live on the
same fucking continent. And by the way, physic believe the reincarnation.
Speaker 5: That could have been, that's basically what they're saying, that
could have been, Like I care is like basically passed down.
Speaker 1: You're having DNA nightmares about like all of a sudden,
like they're in an alley, like they just have like
a hot like a movie flashback, like.
Speaker 2: Where am I?
Speaker 1: But it's fucking Assassin's creed. Like they're living in their
ancestors memories.
Speaker 2: But it's just they're like and then they wake up
and they're like, would be horrified.
Speaker 6: I'm just dying a thousand different ways, just in the
worst possible Yeah, fashion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you pop in the animus.
Speaker 1: You're in some quaint little village in Ireland and some
weird ship with one big sale and a bunch.
Speaker 2: Of oars, and it pop up, pops up on the
shore and you watch.
Speaker 1: Your fucking whole family taken into slavery by Vikings as
your hack.
Speaker 2: To death and you're like yeah, the and then you
wake up and you're like trauma. Yeah, it was why drama.
Speaker 1: Actually not a lot of people know this, but my great,
great great Actually this would be a funny one. I
forgot to tell you. That's on a crime quarter about
bringing up now because this is it has to do
with forensics, and forensics are funny to be, like the
things they can figure out.
Speaker 2: Right, So there was this child.
Speaker 1: I can't do a whole episode on softocore history because
it's just not enough information, but it's a funny bit,
which is they found this.
Speaker 2: I don't know, million year.
Speaker 1: Old toddler, so like not Homo sapian, but like a
near ancestor of Homo sapty and it was like this
huge find and they were like, oh my gosh, it's crazy,
Like I wonder how this toddler died. It's actually interesting
the pilot bones was he sick and they just didn't
care about death back then because they were maybe a
little more analysts or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then they did a little more forensic on.
Speaker 1: Just how much the past is a night bear and
they realized this toddler is still the size of a toddler.
Speaker 2: Was like they were like, oh my god, oh I
got it was a dwarf. He was eaten by a
giant eagle.
Speaker 1: It was oh, a giant eagle just scooped him out,
picked up this humanish baby and like they realized it
because they were like, oh, they were like, oh, the
eyes have been clawed out.
Speaker 2: There's that.
Speaker 6: And the kid probably went up like fifty feet to
a hundred feet got dropped on.
Speaker 2: His right body right like this wonderful dragged.
Speaker 3: It was Tuesday.
Speaker 6: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like that a million years ago? Sure, that's in my trauma.
I think red child. Maybe I have eagle dreams a lot.
Speaker 6: Whenever people are like we're living in the worst or
the dumbest time alive, it's just like.
Speaker 2: You don't even out the Yeah, you're another fucking half
of it. But yeah, all I could think, it's just
like shut up, fuck up.
Speaker 3: Seriously, seriously, I can't.
Speaker 5: I guess I was thinking it was like you know,
with the True crime boo whatever, or they found some
kind of new you know, forensic or ways to like
find DNA. They want to use it where they can't
kind of like with the Golden State where they were like,
oh shit, we can use twenty three and mets right,
you go down the line, right, So that wasn't even it.
Speaker 7: It was the fucking two six times removed from core
gram band we just.
Speaker 2: Want we just oh shareable.
Speaker 1: And also, by the way, you wouldn't get closure, because
here's what you're gonna get if it, for sure is
Aaron commenced get.
Speaker 3: People like me to go. She was a whore and
he was just one of the fucking loans on her
scars and everyone's gonna be like, I've got but I
tracked the Ripper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the closes be t shirts with Aaron kaz
Minsky in every Anglo country on Earth.
Speaker 3: Like manson. You go like, yeah, okay, you can get.
Speaker 2: The Oppoie said to that you should never want them
to be found.
Speaker 3: He's making sure of that. Sure that says the Ripper rule.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Ripper ruled all right? So yeah that the
relatives pissed me off so much? Did she?
Speaker 3: I wouldnt think that that's what it was at all.
Speaker 2: Closure. I'd be like, oh, interesting, it's a bunch of ladies.
Speaker 6: B uh.
Speaker 1: So that is the story of how we may have
the story of Jack the Ripper is what's I want
everyone's verdicts, Dan is because is Eric Kazminsky the killer?
Speaker 2: I think we kind of get.
Speaker 6: Into a habit of trying to romanticize the past, and
we want stories and narratives to be better than they
actually are, and typically that's not the case.
Speaker 2: He is for sure the Ripper.
Speaker 4: I am putting a stamp on this case open at
chet Johnson.
Speaker 8: Who got I mean, I hear that, I hear them
maybe you know, I maybe because of the movies and
way that we've heard of it, Leevie, it wasn't as precise.
Speaker 5: Maybe it was a little sloppier than we were led
to believe. And only then would I be like, Okay,
probably him. Also, I think they knew it was him.
Speaker 2: It seems like the most dam thing is they knew.
They were all like, right, so it.
Speaker 7: Don't be like we finally No, you're just finally saying it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think possibly, But I'm questioning, like I
thought I thought the DNA of faith on us.
Speaker 3: I also don't know, and I even thought, okay, but
they didn't test the blood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also don't know enough about the other candidates
or potential who's your favorite other candidate?
Speaker 3: Butcher?
Speaker 2: The butcher does a do you have a name on him?
Speaker 3: Thou? No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, but there was a butcher who was a kid?
Was he Jewish? Was he a polished you as well?
Speaker 1: Because like I said, in this they said Krisminsky and
then then another one just said low class polished you
without being ann Oh possibly don't.
Speaker 3: I don't remember.
Speaker 7: But the butcher because he would both know anatomy.
Speaker 5: And have a leather you know, like fit all the
things of like knowing where to cut and stuff, right,
So I thought that was kind of cool.
Speaker 2: I do think the letters are read, Harry.
Speaker 3: You don't think they're maybe from the person?
Speaker 2: I think that's impossible.
Speaker 3: They were pretty brazen.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, somebody's trying to get some to have
a credit for something they didn't.
Speaker 2: Do, like a different crazy person writing in Yeah. I
mean you get that all the time now, like people
confessing to murders they didn't commit. I mean that's a
common thing, oh.
Speaker 5: For sure, or like trying to copycat a notherly copycatting
just ting police and stuff. So I'm gonna say, yeah,
it's him you're leaning beause Minsky to shut these fu
up because you don't even know what you're like trauatized about.
Speaker 2: Where do they live. I'm sending targeted at of our
new Aaron Minsky T shirt too, So like.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you've got to have closure now. So y'all
say sure, And it is a girl.
Speaker 4: It's all daughters and him living this.
Speaker 2: Bullshit.
Speaker 5: They were sex workers, Okay, they weren't prostitutes.
Speaker 3: They were sex workers. What else were they supposed to do?
So anyway, I met, what do you think? Are you
ready to shut You're just ready to shut the case.
Speaker 1: I lean, I mean you lean because it's a Semen fits. Yeah, yeah,
Stemen's on the show. All he did it, y'alla, they
were all.
Speaker 2: Right, Jesse, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5: Hey, thank you guys for putting up with my bullshit always,
and thank you for always having me on.
Speaker 2: The people at home won't even notice.
Speaker 3: They won't I know that you're invest in this. Yeah,
the care will just.
Speaker 12: Be on you.
Speaker 3: The entire chap.
Speaker 2: Just gotta show the game, you know.
Speaker 4: Pop up one of the dead popped out from my birthday.
Speaker 3: I'm go and get wasted. G went up that will
be your high. Yeah, hias read it.
Speaker 2: It's everyone's favorite. All we did tell people were like,
don start with that one if you no, that's the
last one you've watched. Yeah, you have to like at
least do like ten episodes for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, get the get the normal vibe.
Speaker 4: I for sure can't get that drunk again because I
didn't finish the episode up.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't believe you did. I don't remember.
I was like I almost black noow. So it was
just such chaos. I love it. But yeah, that's all
I got for. Oh, who's today's hitler?
Speaker 9: The red Bird, the family the name clutter for sure,
like shut your fucking mouth, to let the guy just
sucking beat and die in the asilum, Like, shut.
Speaker 3: The fuck up.
Speaker 6: Hairdressers probably also hair dressers, just all barbers and hair dressers.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: I'll take that, all right. That's all I got for
Damn Jester and Jesse Wiseman. I'll rob Fox. He just
goes off there. Two.
Speaker 1: I thought for an episode of the Earth title episode,
uh title episode?
Speaker 2: You do know Jack
Speaker 3: Nice No,