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Speaker 1: Hey, my brother. Good to hear your voice.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. It's always a pleasure to talk with

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you because you always take readers into areas that not

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only in form, but is it okay to say you

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also entertain. You give us that place of escape to

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where we're we're going to experience something and go No,

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I got to do at least one or two more pages.

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I can't put this down just yet.

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Speaker 1: Listen. I don't do it for any other reason that

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those are the books I love to read, right. I

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love when I get to the end of the chapter.

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Whether it's a history book, a kid's book, whatever, a thriller,

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doesn't matter. But I want to plaitanger because I want

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to go, oh my gosh, what's going to happen next?

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That's the most panalizing question in a world, what's going

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to happen next?

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Speaker 2: Well, this book right here is so important to our

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modern day in history. And the reason why is one,

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look at the world. There's some stuff going down. But

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what a lot of the generation z X alpha betoy.

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You bring up these people's names, so they're gonna go,

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who are you talking about? But then here comes Brad

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He's got the Nazi conspiracy and he's going to get

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into their lives, saying, hey, by the way, before you

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got here, this did actually happened. But let me share

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with you the way it happened and how it allmost

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really took place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and you know me well enough to know.

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I mean, let's paint the picture of the Nazy conspiracy.

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You know. It's it's the moment where Stalin wants the

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Allies to invade continent of Europe because he's getting blitzed.

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The Nazis had invaded the Soviet Union and it's decimating,

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so he wants help. He's like, help me out here.

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So as nineteen forty three arrives, the Big Three, FDR,

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Stalin and Churchill need to meet face to face for

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the very first time. Talked about troop numbers, logistics, They

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need to meet in person. The states could not be higher.

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The wars, you know, shifting and the winner's going to

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take all and the summit must happen. And FDR is

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the middleman because Stalin and Churchill hate each other. So

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FDR gets to troan around where this meeting is going

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to take place with the Big Three. He's coming his

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motor Kate's coming down the center of the city. Everyone's

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out there craning their next to look at the motor

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case that's coming, and everyone's waving. But what no one

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really is the person who's waving back in the motorcade.

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It's not FDR. Really, it's actually a Secret Service it's

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a Secret Service decoy. And the real FDR is ducked

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down and hiding in the back of a beat up sedan,

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racing through the side streets because they're worried that there's

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a Nazi assassin is about to murder him. And I

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just ruined chapter one of the Nazi Conspiracy. But that's

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chapter one, and I love the fact that it starts

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with a cliffhanger.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, though, Brad, I got to be

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honest with you, you didn't ruin chapter one because I mean,

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in reality, we all just went through a moment where

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where it's like we've just been through an assassination. We

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know what chapter one is now, we just don't know

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what chapter two is. And that's one of the things

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that's going to keep us growing forward is that we

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now know the setup, the possibility, the occurrence that may

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have happened. So I mean no, no, no, no, that's what

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they need to know so they can get into the

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book and get into that full story.

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Speaker 1: No, that's right, and listen, as you said, you know,

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my love is pulling the names that you have in her.

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All know adelf Hitler, we all know FDR. But this

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story is about people you've never heard of before. There's

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a guy a Nazi and Otto Scorzenny in this book.

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And Otto Skorzenny is a Hitler brings together. He wants

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all of his best fighters to come together in the

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Wolf's Layer, in his in his kind of secret highway,

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and he brings them all together, lines him up shoulder

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to shoulder in this big room, and he says to

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them he gives him a quiz, and the first question

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of the quiz is what do you think of Italy?

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And they all start kissing. The bosses breer and like, oh, boss,

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you know we love Italy. There are you know they're

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on our side. We're going to help us beat the Allies.

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And that's what they're all saying. And this one voice

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screams out, I am from Austria and my furor to

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Otto Scorzenny, who's gambling in this moment because he knows

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that Adolf Hitler is also like him from Austria, and

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a true Austrian actually hates Italy because back in the

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First World War Italy, Italy took a key piece of

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and never gave it back. And in that moment, Adolf

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Hitler looks at Otto Skorzenny and he's like, you're my guy,

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You're my guy, and he sends Auto Skorzenny on a

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secret Nazi mission. That is so bananas and crazy, brother

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that had. I actually had a picture of the moment

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put in the book because I'm like, when kids read this,

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they're not going to believe it's true. Adults are not

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be believe the kids are not to believe it, so we

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need a picture to show it's true. I won't ruin

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the moment for you, but it is the craziest Nazi

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story You've never heard in your life what a secret

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mission is on? And I've never heard of Otto scores

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any I'm wagering you've never heard of Otto Skorzenny. No,

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but it's just a banana's moment in World War Two

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when you see what he's what mission is Adolf Hitler

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puts him on.

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Speaker 3: Please do not move. There's more with Brad Meltzer coming

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up next. The name of the book the Nazi Conspiracy.

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We are back with Brad Meltzer. So now is it

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my imagination or are a lot of the stories from

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this particuicular part of history, World War two and even

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World War One? I feel like that the masters who

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are leading right now are borrowing from the leadership rules

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of those that came before us, because I mean, there's

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so much that we see today and we're going, oh,

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that happened before, You're kidding me. I thought it was

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just happening today.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the right question to ask, right Why what

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is this book really about? And why do we tell it?

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And when you see right now, you know, anti Semitism

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and hating and blaming Jews is at an all time

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high right now, right, So why are we still fighting

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these Nazi ideals in twenty twenty five? And we always

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think that like the Nazis are you know they were?

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The reason is is because they never left. The Nazis,

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we always think, is something that happened in Europe and

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they were over there. But in the hYP of World

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War two we found and we put this in the book.

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There was a Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden in

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New York City, twenty thousand Nazis cheering, and there was

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a great, big banner with a swastika on, and another

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big one of George Washington's face. The first speaker at

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the rally set if George Washington were alive today, he'd

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be friends with Adolf Hitler. We don't tell that story anymore.

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We're embarrassed of it. But that happened here, not in Europe,

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but in America, and that sentiment did not go away,

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and that's why we continue to fight. These things are

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more important than ever.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that I've really put a lot

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of love and interest in sharing this book with the

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people that I surround myself with, is I go this

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is not just a book for young readers. Adults need

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to read this book as well. You need to pipe

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down and get rid of the genre labels that we

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put on books, and you need to really take this

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book in and experience it.

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Speaker 1: No, and I appre and let'ten hear. I agree with

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you one hundred percent. And here's the reason why this

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is a recipe for authoritarians. Right, you have an Adolf Hiller,

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a charismatic leader, and he says he finds these white

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native born Germans suffering economically, and then he says, those

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people are the cause of your pain. Those people, And

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that's the code word, right, Radil Hilary. He's talking about

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the Jewish people. But we've seen it done in the

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black community, about the immigrant community. We saw, you know,

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but when you see people being blamed. To me, the

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American dream is not about making money. American dream is

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that when you see someone being picked on and you

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see someone being bullied, you stand up and you use

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your voice and you say enough enough already. And look

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at where we are as a culture right now. We're

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so divided with tearing each other apart. But there's the

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reason why cable news wants you mad. There's a reason

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why politicians want you mad. There's a reason why the

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scrolling on your phone and social media wants you mad.

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Because angry people vote, Angry people watch cable news. Angry

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people will scroll endlessly on their phone. And we have

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to be better than what angers us and stop being

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divided as the culture and stand together and say enough

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with bullying, enough with dividing us. And we got to

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stand together against what's actually wrong in the world. And

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I know that's harder than it sounds, but it's a

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battle worth fighting, and we we got to get back

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to fighting it.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of battles that are worth fighting, how are you

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keeping people off your back because they like to control

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the authors, it seems these days they don't want to

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call it censorship, but by god, they'll come in there

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and take it out of libraries.

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Speaker 1: Listen. You know, as you know I've spoken to many

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times about our kids books We've done. I am Amelia Arhart,

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I am Abraham Lincoln, I am George Washington. Our books

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I am Rosa Parks, and I am Martin Luther King

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Junior got banned. I am Villaging King. Book is on

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the top ten list of banned children's books from last year.

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And you know when they banned I am Rosa Parks

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and I am doctor King, I got a call from

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Fox News, from MSNBC and from CNN, all saying this

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is ridiculous, this is wrong, browd. We want you to

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come on and fight back and tell our viewers about it.

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When MSNBC and Fox News and CNN all agree, you

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know you screwed up. You did something wrong, And we

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fought those book bands. You know, in Pennsylvania where they

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banned I Am Rosa Parks, we had so many copies

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of I Am Rosa Parks that people bought to send

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to the school. But they now teach that book in

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the schools, and we made them eat those book bands.

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We made you know, and you got to take the

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lessons of Rosa Parks and take the lessons of Martin

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Luther King Junior. And you need to fight back against

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those book bands, because if you're cheering while books are

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being pulled from library shelves and telling you you're on

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the wrong side of history, you're going to eventually be

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revealed as the bad guy in the story. And no

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one wants inappropriate books going into the hands of the

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wrong kids. Everyone wants it to be age appropriate. Don't

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let anyone tell you otherwise. That's just a talking point

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to scare you. But man, you've got to fight back

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against those bands.

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Speaker 2: I love where your heart is, Brad. You got to

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come back to this show anytime in the future. You

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know that door is always going to be open for you.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you January for the Viper. That's the new thriller.

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I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait either. Man, you'd be brilliant today.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thanks brother, thank you,