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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Cameron from Vancouver, Canada. Welcome back to

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Shirley Fans. Over the next couple of weeks, my friend

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and former college roommate and fellow Tesla fan Jason Colin,

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along with his friend and podcast partner Dee Graves, whom

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is usually on the right side of these battles, are

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going to compare the raw soul and hard rock of

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two great bands and two great albums, The Black Crows

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Shake Your Moneymaker versus Tesla's the Great Radio Controversy, admittedly

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one of my favorite bands and albums from back in

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the early nineties and still to this day. So it's

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time to hang tough. This ain't no flight to nowhere.

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We're on our way to paradise and that's just the

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way it is. Plug it in, crank it up, and

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let the battle begin.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Shirley Fans, we are coming at you live today,

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just a couple of modern day cowboys, bringing you a

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new episode every week and getting better every show. So

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if you love songs like we do, hang tough with

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us as we travel up Heaven's trail, discussing each of

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these songs track by track, making magic and telling it

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the way it is that's so good man from that

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last episode.

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Speaker 3: True, thank you.

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Speaker 4: You know, days go by and live drags on, but

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the podcast keeps on rocking. So hey, you know, people

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don't know this, but a lot of times we build

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these matchups in advance.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: And this matchup, the Black Crows versus Tesla was supposed

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to be last year, celebrating nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, but

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one of those that kind of got moved and it

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got pushed, and then it got and then we're like, hey,

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black Crows is nineteen ninety, so we can celebrate nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 2: So we have.

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Speaker 4: Literally been waiting over a year to complete this matchup,

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and this week you try to throw me a curveball

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and say.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what do you think of that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So we we okay, So welcome back to the

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Shirley Podcast. Everybody. We're here for an episode on Tesla's

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great radio controversy. We are compared it from last week's

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episode to the Black Crows, Shake your money Maker, and

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I got done with the Black Crows, And in my

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mind for that whole year, I was thinking that Tesla

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was much more of an acoustic bluesy sounding kind of band,

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because that's just my memory, I hadn't. I mean, I

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loved them in the nineties. We covered their songs in

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my band. I've got a story that I'm gonna telling

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here in just a second. That's, you know, a great

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moment with Tesla. But in my head, they were much

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more of a bluesy acoustic sound like Black Crows were right.

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Speaker 4: You were brought up on five man Acoustical Jam, is

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what it sounds like to me.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, that's what happened. I was just like, I

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guess my memories kind of were really mostly inspired by

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five Man Acoustical Jam, which also came out in nineteen nineties.

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It did, and so it it like this one the

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great radio controversy are right there on. I mean, I mean,

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we think about the singles were hitting their thirty five

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year anniversary for just about all of them. Sure, yeah,

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for sure, same time as Shake Your Money Maker came out,

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And so when I heard this album, I was like,

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whoa this. I mean, first few songs out of the gate,

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I'm just thinking, this is like, it's like hard rock, metal,

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hard rock. Man, it is not the bluesy stuff I

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was expecting at all. Now you get a little further

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into the album and that changes. But I was like, oh, dude,

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I'm sorry. I made the mistake. We need to do

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five men acoustical jam. It's nineteen ninety and you're like, no,

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we've been prepping.

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Speaker 1: I have been.

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Speaker 2: I prep it way way more in advance than I do.

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If I prep as much as you do, I get

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overloaded and then I just it's a mess and eight

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hours long and it's terrible. Yes, so I'm happy that

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we're doing the great radio controversy. We'll touch on the

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five man acoustical jam a little bit, undoubtedly as we

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go through this. But yes, we're here today talk about

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something that we've been anticipating for a while.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: I want to ask you how you got into Tesla,

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how you discovered them. But before we do, Yeah, we

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need to give a shout out to We've got a

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couple of new Patreon members. I want to give a

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shout out to. We've got our new friend, mister Mark Myers.

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Mark Myers, executive producer for today's episode. He's a pastor, yes,

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said he incorporated our Lady Lady Lady Matchup song podcast.

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Speaker 2: Really to his sermon, Yeah, I'm really curious as to

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how he made a sermon out of that, and I

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texted you and I was like, had we called that

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lady on lady action that I wanted to, he probably

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would not have been able to issue in his sermon.

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But Mark, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we are honored to be preaching if you will

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here at the Shirley can't be serious podcasts. Yeah, and

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we also need to shout out Rich the Union guy.

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Speaker 2: Rich the Union Guy. Hi, Rich, thank you so much

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for joining our Patreon family. Texas back man, I hit

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you up, give me a text. Let's hear from you, man.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of the Shirley Can't Be Serious logo, how's the

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merchant store coming?

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Speaker 2: I am working on it. Etsy decided that it didn't

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like us, So I'm given. I'm given the preferbial signs.

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Signs everywhere there's signs that Etsy means we don't want

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to do business with you. So I'm gonna I'm opening

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a Shopify account. I'll do it, okay, So tell me

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how did you get involved in Tesla? Like, how'd you

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find out about them? So in the nineties, I was

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we were doing cover songs, right, I was in a band,

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and we were covering all kinds of things that were

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popular at the time, including the Black Crows. I mentioned

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that our very first show, our very first song was

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hard to handle at the end of the show, came

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out in the middle of the audience and with our

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acoustic guitars and did she talks to angels and patients

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by guns and roses. But I had been playing guitar

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for a while at this time, I mean a few

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years anyway, And I'm a guy who likes classical music.

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on the classes. I really I got into classical music

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quite a bit right, and I hear this thing on

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the radio that I'm like, this sounds like a classical guitar.

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thing on the radio. And it was love song by Tesla,

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and I was like, I've got to find out how

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to play this song. So I went on a mission

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to find out how to play this song. Ended up

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getting several of the albums, obviously, including the five man

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Acoustical Jam. Then I got very lucky. One evening, I

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is back when Tesla was kind of on their downslide,

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just maybe a yearish before they broke up, and so

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this club and he's like, Hey, do you want to

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get backstage for the Tesla show.

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Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: So I brought my guitars with me. I was like,

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to be great. I watched the show. It was fantastic.

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first part of the act. The second part of the

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act is they all go sit up front on the

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stage and do their five man acoustical jam. Yeah. Bit

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it was kind of like the best of both worlds there.

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were several other people back there waiting, some of them

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very hot, the rock star lifestyle, right it is. And

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Brian and the drummer Troy came back at that point,

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and they're not very cool, Like Brian was kind of douchey,

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like yeah, you know, just kind of sarcastic and not cool.

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I kind of understand now after having read his book

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that he's dealing with some issues and struggles and stuff.

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bad day. Well I won't fault him before that, of course.

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and Frank Handon come back and I've gotten the first

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two guys to sign the guitar. I get Jeff to

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sign the guitar. I get Frank to sign the guitar,

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and he's like, hey, man, hang out and play if

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you want to play. And I was like, are you

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kidding me, And so I had my twelve string there

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with me, and he you know, talked to a few people,

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and then he came over and sat down with me

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and we sat there and played guitar for an hour

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and a half, like he had just done this full show.

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playing Tesla songs to start, you know, and then he's like, hey,

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play me something that you wrote. And I was like okay,

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and I'm like playing some chef and he's like, okay,

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slow down, slow down, and he's listening to it. And

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then he starts playing lead over a song that I've

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got and I'm just like, that is amazing is being

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and be so cool. I just really, you know, this

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is amazing. You're a great guy. And he's like when

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after his show and was super kind. And I said,

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if I ever am this big, I'm gonna be nice

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like Eddie was, and so he was inspired by Eddie

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Van Halen to do that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's incredible. No, that's amazing story.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it's been an amazing story my entire life

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until yesterday when you called me and said you blew it. Dude.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I did call you. You you answered the vone. You're like, hey,

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I'm You're on speaker and I said, d you blew it?

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Speaker 2: You blew it? Yeah, I had no idea what you're

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Speaker 4: So what we found out later by doing our discoveries.

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Tesla hired the replacement for Tommy Skio, their other guitarist,

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the other one other than Frank Hannon. They found him

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on my Space. His name's Dave Rude.

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Speaker 2: Good guitarist.

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Speaker 4: But you could be touring with Tesla today.

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Speaker 2: Well, you said, you told me at the time that

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he had played with them backstage, like that he had

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done the exact same thing that I did. Yes, and

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then they're like, hey, come join the band, and I'm like,

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what I know? When was this? You're like two thousand

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and four I'm like, okay, Well I missed that by like,

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you know, eight years, So I'm okay, and I was

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your timing was off? Yeah, yeah, I mean I was.

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I was nineteen at the time that I played with him.

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Speaker 4: I mean chicks and drugs and money, fame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, could have had it all, could have been a contender,

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but a bum.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, that's a great story.

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Speaker 2: Well how about you. How'd you get into these guys?

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to Mechanical Resonance and I absolutely love Mechanical Residence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see here.

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Speaker 4: Mechanical Residence. Great radio controversy. Five men Acoustic Jam was

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very important to me, and then Psychotic Supper when I

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after listening to these guys talk. It's like universal that

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that's their favorite Tesla album.

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Speaker 4: That album was released in that same pocket of time

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in late ninety one, with Nevermind and Usual Illusion and

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the Black Album from Metallica and No More Tears and ten.

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We just had a ton of great music and it

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tends to kind of get Forgotten. But that's a great

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album with great songs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely it does.

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Speaker 4: All right, enough about us, I mean, let's talk about

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these songs, man. All right, well, let's dive in. So

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just to quick overview the album, go ahead. The Great

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Radio Controversy is the second album by Tesla. I was

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released in February of nineteen eighty nine, and the term

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the Great Radio Controversy has to do with this battle

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between Nicolette Tesla and Thomas Edison over whether radio should

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be profitable or free. I don't really tell me about.

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because Marconi is the guy like Edison had taken a

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lot of Tesla's ideas. Tesla worked for General Electric, and

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basically Edison would take Tesla's ideas, patent them and then

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make them his own. He was notorious for like, once

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he's gotten the patent, he's soon anybody who tries to

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do anything similar to what he's got the patent on. Right,

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does the exact same thing with Tesla. Tesla has essentially

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perfected the radio to where it's a genuinely usable thing.

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files first, and for the longest time it was like, oh,

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out there was a lawsuit over it, and the court

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found that Tesla was the legitimate guy who had invented

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the radio, and that was the Great radio controversy.

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Speaker 4: If you want to know more about the Great Rio

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controversiic go listen to the song Edison's Medicine off a

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psychotics Ever. Yeah, that's the extent of my knowledge. But

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as I understand it, Tesla died penniless, and essentially he

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is the model for the crazy mad scientist like long hair,

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dirty thing, your nails, penniless.

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Speaker 2: He wacky. He was wacky, like, for example, mechanical resonance.

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everything has a resonant sound like a vibration, right, a resonance,

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and that if you, if you, and the entire earth

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has the resonance, and so if you played something at

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the right resonance, you could literally split the earth. So

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inter just just a theory of his, Yes, bad scientists stuff. Yeah,

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have you seen the Prestige? Maybe David Bowie plays Nicola

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Tesla really yeah, it's got it's a it is a

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Christopher Nolan movie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that may I may need to rewatch that one.

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Speaker 2: That's a great one. It's got Christian Bale and Jack

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Hugh Jackman in it. I need to go in Scarlett

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Johansson in some skimpy laingerie. Yeah, there you go. All right, Okay,

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are you ready?

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Speaker 4: First song on the album, Let's dive in Song number one.

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Speaker 2: Hanged Tough. Here we go.

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Speaker 5: Oh, sorry, I knew what she knew.

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Speaker 4: Something weird is going on there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, sorry about that, everybody. Another nineties throwback for you,

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needles scratch.

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Speaker 4: I believe that's Hanging Tough.

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go Song number one from Tesla.

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This time hang Tough.

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Speaker 5: It's more like it.

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Speaker 4: Whoo kicking ass and taking names. I mean, what a

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great kickoff song. It's got that bold bass intro. Yeah,

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it's it's the perfect like, welcome to this album. We're

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gonna kick your butt for the next seventy minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've got some amazing like speed metal lead

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in there. The brilliance of two guys who were equipped

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to play both lead and rhythm guitar so that they

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can bounce back and forth off of each other, or

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in this scenario, play the exact same thing at the

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exact same time. Sometimes just builds that big round sound

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with the power metal behind it. It's it's great. I

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love it.

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Speaker 4: This was the second single released April of nineteen eighty nine.

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This video was directed by our man Nigel Dick never

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forget his name right. We've talked how many times we

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talked about it? Allow a bunch he did a bunch

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of those videos in the eighties. So here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 4: He did shout Mother's Talk, Everybody Wants to Rule the World.

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He did Sweet Child of Mine, Welcome to the Jungle.

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He did do They Know It's Christmas? By band Aid.

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Speaker 2: I believe he also did like hit Me Baby One

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More Time? Too right?

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Speaker 4: It did Hit Me Baby one More Time?

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 4: He did down in a Hole by Alison Chains. Oh nice,

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he did Patience, He did Rocket by def Leppard. The

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guy's done everything. The cool thing about this video is

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that like that bass part in the video, Yeah, you

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have a little boy who's like playing with this, like

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Telegraph Machine and it looks exactly like the album cover,

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which I think is.

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Speaker 2: A really cool nod. It's fantastic. So it's funny you

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mentioned def.

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Speaker 4: Leppard, right, yeah, oh yeah, Okay, So these guys they

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started off well, I mean, Brian was in a band.

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Speaker 2: Called Rage at first. Yes, he's the guy that was

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playing in bands the longest as a continuous member of

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this band. I mean, you basically got three core guys

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who are always in Tesla, right, but there's some ins

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and outs throughout that process. But Brian and Frank the

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other guy who's Frank Cannon, who's in the Brian.

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Speaker 4: Wheat Frank can your buddy, Frank Cannon, My buddy, Frank Cannon, Right,

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my birthday buddy too, Right, he's both of us. October third,

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Steve Rayvaughan also October third, by the way, Tommy Lee

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also October third. It's a heck of a band, you guess.

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Speaker 2: We can just call ourselves the Libras and d and

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the Laborers. So Frank and Brian in nineteen eighty one

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they go to see a def Leppard show, right, what, yeah,

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the High and Dry tour, right, yes, And this is

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how different things were in that in those days, right

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number one def Leppard wasn't pour some sugar on me

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big yet that's right, but still not bad. I mean

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they still got they got Mutt Lang producing their own.

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They're doing a big tour, yes, and so Frank and

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Brian and this guy named Gosh I think it was

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Henry or something. They all go together and then after

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the show, Frank has to leave because he's only like

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six ten years old or whatever, and so Brian.

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Speaker 4: Mom's gonna ground me if I don't get home.

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Speaker 2: Brian and Henry are hanging out by the tour bus

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and outwalks Pete Willis and Rick Allen the drummer yes, yes,

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still has two arms. And they walk out and his buddy,

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Brian's buddy is like, hey, guys, and they're like, hey,

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I got some weed and they're like oh yeah. They're

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like yeah, you want to get high?

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Speaker 4: And he's like, yeah, we're staying over at the holiday

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and he tells him.

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Speaker 2: Where the where they're staying in the hotel room and everything,

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and they go up and they hang out with those

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guys and get stoned. I mean, can you imagine any band,

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any of def Leopard's significance, going, oh yeah, our hotels

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over here, these guys we just met three seconds ago. Head,

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we've got some weed. Yeah right, wow were there? Yeah?

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And then five years later they were opening.

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Speaker 4: For them on the Hysteria tour and that was the thing,

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the biggest time, I mean it was the def Lepper

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was ruling the world at that time. Yeah, so backstage two,

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I mean, leading off incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You know I heard Brian Wheat talk about Frank Hannon.

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So Brian Whet was in this band called Rage and

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he had it, you know, some of his buddies and

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they played keggers.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you that the buddies' names were Larry, Stacey, Nick,

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and Wendell.

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Speaker 4: On guitar once again lost to the sands of time,

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but he had been hearing whispers of this kid named

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Frank who is like fifteen years old.

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Speaker 2: It could really play the guitar well. So they were

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practicing in the back of like an ice house, like

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an ice factory. That was their practice space. And the

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guy who owned the place says, hey, my girlfriend's son

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plays guitar and he'd liked to come jamming. What And

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they're like okay, and he's like they're like, does he

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have any experience? He's like now, he's only fourteen, and

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they're like what, yeah, whatever, you know whatever.

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Speaker 4: Brian is kind of a nobs kind of guy, right, Yeah,

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you didn't have time.

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Speaker 2: He'll tell you to f off if he wants you to. Yes,

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that's right. And so they're like, yeah, okay, whatever, because

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the guy is letting him use the space to practice in. Right,

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So he says, Frank rolls up in a forty seven

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Chevy Classic looking like a freaking gangster, right, and he

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gets out of the car and he's this skinny blonde

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kid and when they hear him play, all of a sudden,

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Brian's like, well, Wendell's out, Frank's in. Yeah, and that's

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how fast it was. And you said, you said that

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what his thought was when he saw him play. Yeah,

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he said.

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Speaker 4: I looked at him and I said, this kid has

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been touched by God.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how good he is. He got out of

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the forty seven Chevy with a Fender Stratocaster and a

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Marshall amp And in Brian Wheats words, if you had

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a Marshall amp back then, you were a bad mother.

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Speaker 4: That's great man, that's great. So that's the beginning of Tesla.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I mean, little by little, those guys dropped

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off Rage became not Rage anymore. They started another band

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and they called it earth Shaker, and they need a

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new singer. And these girls say, hey, we heard this

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guy singing like karaoke or something, and he's really good.

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You should come. You should let him come play with you.

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So this is Jeff Keith.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's kind of legendary around here.

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Speaker 2: He grew up in Oklahoma.

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Speaker 4: He graduated from Idabella High School, which is little bitty

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town in southeastern Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in he was I think he was

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in Texarkana for a while because he mentioned that. I

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remember him mentioning that during the concert I saw back

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in ninety five or ninety six, whenever it was.

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Speaker 4: You remember the last time we talked, talked about Texarkana, Texas.

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No smoking the band because that's where they were going

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to get the six point beer.

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Speaker 2: That's all right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So anyway, he's thirsty dummy. So Jeff Keith Oklahoma native,

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and I might as well tell this story now, but

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he played a show in Oklahoma City and I bet

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you a mill bucks. It was a day before or

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a day after your fort Smith show. But he lost

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his class ring during the show, right, and he's up

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there singing doing whatever, and he goes whoop, falls off,

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and he tells the crowd He's like, hey, guys, I

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lost my ring.

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Speaker 2: Will you guys give it back to me?

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Speaker 4: You know, And instead of most hard rock shows either

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getting pelted in the forehead with it or somebody just says,

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no way, I'm stealing this Jeff Keith's ring, they pass

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it back to him.

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Speaker 2: Oh nice.

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Speaker 4: So the concert I was with with Patreon memmer Cameron Eckert,

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he mentioned that story again and said, that's why Oklahoma

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people are the best, Because I lose my ring. You

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guys passed it up handed back to me. Other places

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I got hit in the forehead with it.

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Speaker 2: By the way, since you mentioned Patreon member, I will

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just say last episode when we did The Black Crows,

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we did our own little introduction there that was not

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the original twice as hard that you heard entering that episode.

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That was me playing a guitar built by Patreon, remember

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Kevin Davis, along with Patreon member Gotier Pirozac playing bass

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and drums and mixing it all together. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you guys very much. Not only are you

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Patreon members, your band members too. That's so cool, man,

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that's so cool. Before we move off of this song,

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I want to just make a comment about the video.

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So number one, these guys are still pretty new in

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the MTV realm. The drummer Troy always looks like he's

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going to the gym. So he's wearing shorts, like he

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00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,160
clearly got this from Rick Allen. Rick Allen's like, I

470
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,279
don't have time for leather pants.

471
00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 2: I'm wearing shorts, right, it's hot behind the drums.

472
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 4: It's hot, and I'm wearing a T shirt and shorts

473
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,279
and that's it. So Troy's looking like he's going to

474
00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:41,680
the gym. Jeff Keith is wearing his signature jeans with

475
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,759
the handprints on them that reappear and become a little

476
00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:49,359
bit more iconic during the Love Song video. But when

477
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,599
I read the comments on YouTube, people were like, I

478
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,119
was a cancer survivor. I played this song to inspire me.

479
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,519
My marriage was on the rocks. We played this song

480
00:23:57,559 --> 00:24:00,400
to inspire us. And I know for a fact I

481
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,240
lived in Oklahoma City in nineteen ninety five after the bombing,

482
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,720
this was the first song that the local rock radio

483
00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:09,319
station played after nothing but news coverage of the Oklahoma

484
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:11,920
City bombing and saying, hey, Oklema City hangked off.

485
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the yeah mentality of never giving up. And

486
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:36,319
it's great because Jeff Keith would write the lyrics for

487
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,079
these songs. These guys got lumped in with the hair

488
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,559
metal guys, right, but they weren't right. They were They

489
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,720
were absolutely not. They weren't wearing the black leather like

490
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,319
you said. They're wearing their jeans or their shorts or shirts.

491
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,759
They they got their hair teased up, just like Axel

492
00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:54,000
Rose did for the first video, but after that they're like,

493
00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:57,440
we're not doing that now. I can see with Frank

494
00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:00,160
and Tommy Skio that they got the long hair they

495
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:03,839
look like and they play like those guys too. But

496
00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:07,000
these lyrics they have more meaning than you know, girls

497
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,359
at the strip club or doing heroin or other stuff.

498
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 4: You know, generally positive lyrics, which was kind of unusual

499
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:16,960
at that time.

500
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: Well and Brian said that that Jeff Keith is just

501
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:23,200
always that positive guy, like always the look on the

502
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,519
bright side, How do we have fun? How do we

503
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:28,000
make this good? That kind of guy and he just

504
00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:29,480
seems like a genuinely great dude.

505
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:29,839
Speaker 3: All right.

506
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 4: Next song on the album, Yeah, is a song called

507
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:32,799
Lady Luck.

508
00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:54,839
Speaker 2: I struggle with whether he's actually talking about a real

509
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,160
female or if he's just talking about luck, luck and

510
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,799
good luck and the fact that he didn't get to

511
00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:03,759
get any.

512
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 4: When he says, how do you do she said, I don't,

513
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,359
I don't. This song was the song they led their

514
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,920
shows off at the Residency in Las Vegas. Right, look,

515
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,759
what a perfect song to lead off in Las Vegas? Right?

516
00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so.

517
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,319
Speaker 4: I listened to a podcast this week and a bunch

518
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,359
of call in Tesla fans. A lot of people had

519
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,480
this in their top five song of like all time

520
00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:28,359
favorite Tesla songs, which I found interesting. It's not a single.

521
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,160
It's a great song though hard rocker.

522
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:30,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

523
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 4: I wanted to get back to Jeff Keith real Quick

524
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:36,440
born in Texarkana, grew up in Idabel moved to northern

525
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,680
California after he graduated from high school. He drove a

526
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,920
septic truck. Oh right, he drove a septic truck. He's

527
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:50,880
talking about this. He said, we're number one job. Well,

528
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,920
he said, we're number one in the number two business. Uh, huh.

529
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,839
But he he would pop in tapes like cassette tapes

530
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,119
and sing.

531
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: To Fogat was his favorite. There you go. Yeah, and

532
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:06,799
five Man Electrical Jam.

533
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,279
Speaker 4: Makes perfect sense, right. He was in f f A

534
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,359
in high school.

535
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,839
Speaker 2: Future Farmers of America, Future.

536
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 4: Farmers of America, and that was his That's the direction

537
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:18,880
he was going. And now he's like a multi.

538
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: Rockstar, rockstar. Yeah. I like this song too. It kind

539
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,720
of is a sandwich song for me though, because I

540
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,960
really love the first one and I love this next

541
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,720
one coming up? Can we jump into this one? Let's

542
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,519
get it, okay. Third song on the album, Heaven's Trail

543
00:27:31,799 --> 00:28:00,160
or No Way Out? You know, I freaking love this summer. Oh,

544
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,200
I love this song. It is a banger, dude. So

545
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,559
this is another one that was on the Five Man

546
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,960
Acoustical Jam album. This is the second one or third,

547
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:11,599
because the first one it's kind of a mashup of

548
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,200
coming at You Live and truck sh Yeah grateful dead, right,

549
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,640
But this one. I love this. I love it electric,

550
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,279
but I love it acoustic even more. Listening to to

551
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,920
him playing that slide on the guitar sounds fantastic.

552
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:27,039
Speaker 4: You know, when I watched the video. So I love

553
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:29,839
the song too, and the version on five an acoustical

554
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,680
jam is amazing. But in the video for the studio

555
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,160
version of this song, Frank Hannon, it's so cool.

556
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 5: He moves.

557
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: He plays two different guitars like he's got he still

558
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,559
has one strapped on while he's playing another one and

559
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:45,000
it's the intro and then when it needs to go electric,

560
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:46,200
it gets after it with the other one.

561
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:46,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

562
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 4: So this is one of their signature songs. Now in

563
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:53,400
the video they have like signs that say no machines.

564
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: It's kind of their mantra.

565
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: In the studio, it's it's raw rock and roll. They

566
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,759
don't like double tracking when they're on stage. They're playing

567
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:02,799
live guitars.

568
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,079
Speaker 6: Uh.

569
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,039
Speaker 4: They're kind of critical of people who have a lot

570
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:09,000
of stuff going on in the background that's not really playing.

571
00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:12,720
And I'm thinking to myself, they're kind of describing def Leppard,

572
00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:15,240
and I am the biggest deaf Leppard f But def

573
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:18,680
Leppard was hugely instrumental in their career, dragging them around

574
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,279
on the Hysteria tour. But def Leppard plays tons of

575
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,079
effects like on rocket and stuff like that.

576
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: Sure, and they're and they're a brick by brick Lang

577
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,599
style of album too, that's right, which these guys are

578
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,799
definitely not now this and this is good. This is

579
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:35,640
a good segue because we're talking five men acoustical jam

580
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:39,000
and that kind of concept. Right. So they are at

581
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:43,359
the Bammis, which is the Bay Area Grammys, right, and

582
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,920
they do an acoustic version of love Song, you know,

583
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,880
on stage for the crowd, right, yes. And so there's

584
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,000
a lady in the crowd at that moment named Queenie Taylor,

585
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:57,559
and she owns a club with Boss Skaggs. Remember Boss

586
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:01,400
Skags Toto episode all of that, Yes, right, They own

587
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,119
a club called Slims. And she sees them do this

588
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,400
acoustic version of love Song, and she gets a hold

589
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,400
of their managers, who we'll talk about soon, and she's like,

590
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,759
I would love for them to come and do like

591
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:16,559
a whole hour and a half set at Slims. And

592
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,519
so their their managers are Peter Minch and Cliff Bernstein,

593
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,359
and those guys will be huge, we'll talk about them

594
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,200
in a second. But they were motivational in the right

595
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,160
way at the right time, okay, Yes, And so when

596
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,920
Peter Minch comes to them and is like, they want

597
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,799
you to do this full hour and a half set.

598
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,279
Rian we just like, no, we are a rock band.

599
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:40,880
We're not going to go do acoustical music. That's ridiculous, right,

600
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:44,319
And Peter Minch is like, yeah, you probably can't do

601
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:48,039
it anyway, and they're like, we aren't going to do it,

602
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:50,359
and so they put together the hour and a half

603
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,240
set that ultimately is so popular at that location that

604
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:58,680
they start doing it in multiple locations. They record several versions,

605
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,359
but the one that we end up with is the

606
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:04,240
one that they did in Philadelphia. Now, don't you even

607
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:07,799
worry in Philadelphia, right, We're just talking about tours at

608
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:12,119
this point. But then the song Signs, which is originally

609
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,200
by five Man Electrical Jam, it comes out as a

610
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,559
single and it gets a lot of airplay, and so

611
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,519
the radio company is like, hey, we want to do

612
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,720
a full record of this. Let's listen to Signs.

613
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:43,119
Speaker 6: Really quicks a lot of big people.

614
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:58,279
Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking about one of the big songs

615
00:31:58,279 --> 00:31:59,400
of the nineteen ninety.

616
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's obviously very raw, right, this is a

617
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:06,759
concert song. And when it became so popular, they were like,

618
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:09,000
we want a full album and we're gonna take it.

619
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,279
We're gonna produce it. We're gonna overdub some stuff, and

620
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:14,839
they're like, no, no, this is We're not gonna do that.

621
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,519
If you're gonna make this an album, we wanted to

622
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:19,920
be completely the way that it was. Well. As it

623
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,039
turned out, the best show that they had that they

624
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:24,680
thought they had to pick from was this Philadelphia show.

625
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,920
But for that set, somehow Brian Weat's bass did not

626
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,240
get recorded. Everything else got recorded, but not Brian Wheat's bass, okay,

627
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,240
and so they're like, we gotta we gotta have you

628
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,640
come in and overdub it. It just has to be

629
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,440
that way, right, Yeah, And he's like this is kind

630
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,519
of cool. He's like, Okay, I'm gonna do it, but

631
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:47,920
we're not gonna stop and start and re record. We're

632
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,640
gonna start the tape. I'm gonna start playing, and I'm

633
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,359
gonna play it straight through just like I'm sitting on

634
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,039
stage the way they did it. That's fantastic. Yeah, that's fantastic.

635
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,759
Speaker 4: By the way, the motivation of their managers to use

636
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:04,119
that psychology, it reminds me of Smoking the band. Every

637
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:05,839
He's like, oh, that's great psychology. Why don't you just

638
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:08,799
say something about my mother, your mother is so ugly.

639
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,440
You guys probably aren't good enough to pull this off,

640
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,680
and oh yeah, watch us. Yeah, and it becomes five

641
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,799
an acoustical.

642
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: Jam, it becomes Sigence, becomes one of their biggest singles.

643
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,119
I would never have heard of the song except for them.

644
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:23,680
Most people think it's their song.

645
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 4: And they began to realize that they were not rich

646
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:29,160
rock stars.

647
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,559
Speaker 2: They were poor rock stars. Like they were in debt

648
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:34,519
because they had spent all these money on videos and

649
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,240
tours and all of this other stuff, not realizing that's

650
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:39,920
all their money, Like all the money they make for

651
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,960
their concerts and their album sales is going to pay

652
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,759
for all of these things. So they weren't really making

653
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:48,759
very much. The five man Acoustical Jam pulls them out

654
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:51,319
of debt and makes them successful and lets them keep

655
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:53,799
on going. Oh that's cool, Yeah, I love it. By

656
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:54,160
the way.

657
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:56,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's another song that I want to talk to

658
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,119
you about here in a minute, where they have basically

659
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,839
claimed it was by another artist. They covered it and

660
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,359
it has really since become theirs.

661
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, talk about that then. Yeah.

662
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 4: Next song on the album is a song called be

663
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:29,800
a Man George Thurgood eat your heart out.

664
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: Tell me you don't want to start clapping your hands

665
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,360
over your head on this one.

666
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,159
Speaker 4: I mean we're sitting there, we're just bobbing our heads.

667
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:44,559
Speaker 2: Such a good song, great crowd song, super smooth slide

668
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:47,719
on the guitar. Again, I mean, this kind of brings

669
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,079
it back to what I was expecting when I first

670
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:53,000
started listening to this Again this, I mean, who else

671
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,639
was playing other than George Thurgood and the Black Crows.

672
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,559
Who else was doing this? I can't think of anybody.

673
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:01,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, So wanted to bring up Jeff Keith again about

674
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,559
him making the band. Okay, so you know he played

675
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,320
a karaoke bars. He was introduced by this girl whatever,

676
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,239
and they bring him on stage and he's so inexperienced.

677
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,400
He doesn't know how to operate the equipment. He doesn't

678
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,519
know how to hold the microphone.

679
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: Never been on stage in his life, right, Yeah, And

680
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,199
so he's singing, and so Brian we thinks this guy sucks. Yes, yeah,

681
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,480
so he he would be so far away from his

682
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:27,920
microphone that you couldn't hear his voice. And so the guys,

683
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,559
you got guys who are running the board who are like, well,

684
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:32,360
we got to turn it up. Well, when they would

685
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,960
turn it up, that caused more feedback, so it's just

686
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:38,440
either getting all this squelchy feedback. You can't hear his vocal.

687
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,440
And after the show, Brian goes to Frank and he's like,

688
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,599
we gotta get rid of this guy. He sucks and

689
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,199
Frank is like, no, no, no, no, man. There was

690
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,960
one point and one song where we both leaned in

691
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,679
and sang the lyric at the same time, and I

692
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,639
heard him singing and he was amazing. We just got

693
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:58,440
to teach him how to use the microphone. I love it.

694
00:35:58,639 --> 00:35:59,559
I love it. You know.

695
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:03,199
Speaker 4: Wed has called him since the best rock and roll

696
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,639
singer since Steven Tyler.

697
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: That might be a bit of a stretch, but it's.

698
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,280
I mean, he's good. He really, he really is good.

699
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 4: He's got that real strong rasp. Yeah, and I don't

700
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,719
know how he does it all these years, but him,

701
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,119
he's still out there kicking butt man.

702
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

703
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Okay, we're ready for the next song on the album.

704
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:22,159
Next song on the album Lazy.

705
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:41,119
Speaker 2: Days, Crazy Nights, a song about being a rock star.

706
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 4: So this to me is the undiscovered gem on this album.

707
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: That's great. I love it. I love Frank's chord choices

708
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,840
on so many of these songs, and this is one

709
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,119
of them.

710
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,039
Speaker 4: Fantastic, It bangs, it's got that kind of darker tone

711
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:58,039
to it. I saw a video on YouTube, I don't

712
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:00,480
know if it was an official video, where it was

713
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:03,119
kind of a fan made video. It's behind the scenes,

714
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,760
but it's also a live show and they're doing things

715
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,679
like they're in the swimming pool, they're riding a roller coaster,

716
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,679
they're playing and it just looks like a life that

717
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,679
you would love to.

718
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: Have, you know what I mean, Yeah, the rock star

719
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,760
lifestyle when it's good. Because when it's good, it's really

720
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,519
really good. And it's bad, it's awful.

721
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:21,679
Speaker 4: Well, and it turned bad for these guys.

722
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: Sure.

723
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:25,519
Speaker 4: The video is also clearly shot on a VCR handheld

724
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:28,719
recorder right right, it looks like it's you know, I mean,

725
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,960
it looks like it's nineteen eighty nine. I mean, it's

726
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:33,880
just how things look. So love this song. It's underrated.

727
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,800
I don't think people will appreciate this one as much.

728
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,920
At this point, I was going to say the band

729
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,079
had become city Kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, city Kid was

730
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,280
their name for a bit. They get their management, they

731
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,880
get Cliff Burnston and Peter Minch in there, who are

732
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,159
also managers for def Leppard, right.

733
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,119
Speaker 2: They basically they are working with them, but they realize

734
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:13,000
they need a lot of work, right, and so they

735
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,400
holler at a friend of theirs named Ronnie Montrose. Yes,

736
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:19,239
that Ronnie Montrose. Yeah, I mean, and they're like, hey,

737
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,880
we want you to work with these guys. See what

738
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,920
you can do to build them up and make them

739
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:26,000
polished instead of the kind of rough edged thing that

740
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:29,800
they are right now. Right, And so Ronnie gives them

741
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,679
a lot of advice, brings them a lot of different

742
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,400
songs to choose from, and one of the songs that

743
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,679
he brings is from a band called pH D out

744
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:43,239
of Britain. Okay, this comes from Ronnie Montrose. Ronnie Montrose

745
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,719
is the one that suggested this. Okay, very good, And

746
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,239
so he says, I think you guys should cover this song.

747
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,079
It's called Little Susie's On the Up. He's on the up. Now.

748
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:57,920
I thought, when I got this little bit of information

749
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,360
that I'm gonna blow Jason's mind. So I sent you

750
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,639
the video for the pH D song of the Little

751
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,840
PhD version of Little Susie's on the app Right, and

752
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,599
you respond back and you were this is this is

753
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:13,760
the musical savant that I I co host an episode with.

754
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,960
He's like, yes, I believe that was the fifth video

755
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,760
played on MTV. I thought you were gonna have never

756
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,880
heard of it, had no idea, and you were like

757
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,039
given me details that I didn't even know. Yes, thank

758
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:30,440
you very much, man, thank you very much, thank you.

759
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,000
I appreciate that. Let's listen to the PhD version of

760
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:33,840
that song really quick.

761
00:39:33,920 --> 00:40:01,599
Speaker 7: Okay the way now before are we trash on PhD

762
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:02,159
too hard?

763
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,079
Speaker 2: Right? Because that is not at all the song that

764
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,760
not those guys went on.

765
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,679
Speaker 4: I mean that the pH didn't last, but those guys

766
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,599
went onto place with some major major artists.

767
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: But I mean, you've got this again. It was the

768
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,519
early stages of MTV and they had an actual music

769
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,000
video that was a story, not just a band up

770
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:25,440
on stage singing a song. Now the story involved a

771
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,039
woman pulling an egg out of a saxophone. But why,

772
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:30,519
I don't what, huh?

773
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 4: Super early MTV? Right, right, they're showing what they've got,

774
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,679
which is nothing. The beer commercial guy leaves his stage

775
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,079
job and goes through X music videos at night, right,

776
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,519
that's right, And so so Ronnie Montrose brings them this song, right, and.

777
00:40:46,800 --> 00:41:19,199
Speaker 2: They obviously make it their own. Let's listen to that now. Woo.

778
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:22,719
That kicks some major boute right. I mean, they totally

779
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,800
have made it their own song.

780
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: They have confiscated. This is now belongs to Tesla.

781
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: Absolutely does like even more than Signs, I would say,

782
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,760
because this, I mean Signs still sounds pretty much like

783
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,920
the original version. Just nobody really heard that one. But

784
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:41,760
this one, they've they've rocked it up. They've changed the

785
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,360
progression a little bit, they've changed the melody a little bit,

786
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,719
and they've absolutely knocked it out of the park. It's amazing. Now.

787
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:51,599
What you may not know is that Ronnie Montrose dealt

788
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,800
with a lot of difficult things later on in his life.

789
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:57,199
They all kind of remained friends with him, even though

790
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,320
he was kind of hardcore on him, and he would

791
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,679
occasionally see them and he would kind of give them

792
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:04,719
a hard time of you know, I brought you guys

793
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,519
a little susie, you know, like you owe me a

794
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:10,960
flat screen TV or something, you know, And so he

795
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:13,480
ultimately he got cancer, was dealing with that, had to

796
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,199
fight that, would still go and play live shows from

797
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:20,400
time to time, and at some point Brian Wheat gets

798
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,360
wind of you know that. Ronnie's like, hey, you guys,

799
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,639
you owe me this flat screen TV. And so he

800
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:29,199
says to Frank, hey, let's buy him a flat screen TV. Well,

801
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:31,199
this is back in the days, like the early two

802
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,119
thousands when the plasma TV's were ten thousand dollars, right,

803
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,519
big and heavy, Yeah, big and heavy and yeah and

804
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,719
so but they he buys it for him, doesn't tell him,

805
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,360
buys it for him, drives it ninety miles over to

806
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:47,239
the show that Ronnie is doing, you know, somewhere else

807
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,639
in California. Knocks on the door and he's like, wat,

808
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:54,800
what are you doing here? He's like, come here, I

809
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,840
want to show you something. He's like okay, and so

810
00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:00,400
he comes out. He opens the back of the truck

811
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:04,719
to show him the TV. He said, Ronnie Montrose literally

812
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,679
broke down in tears. Oh man, that literally broke down

813
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:10,320
in tears. Oh that's sweet story.

814
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:10,679
Speaker 5: I love that.

815
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just it's nice. A lot

816
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:16,480
of us go through life with the John McClain line

817
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:20,320
in our head of how you feeling Roy pretty pretty fun, appreciated,

818
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:25,559
and so sometimes people will do something that just sound

819
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:29,079
expected and it means you mean something to them, And

820
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,440
to get those moments where you do feel appreciated is

821
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,440
a wonderful thing. Side note I had that happened to

822
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:38,239
me in December. Guys that I work with bought me

823
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,239
what Frank Cannon showed up to his first audition with

824
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,280
a Vender stratocaster and a Marshall amp.

825
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: And you played twice as hard last week.

826
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:49,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I sure that that was one of the two

827
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,000
guitars that I've played. Yes, it was, thank you, D's Bosses.

828
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,280
That was very very nice. Yeah, very nice. Next song, yep.

829
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:58,199
Speaker 4: Next song on the album is called did It for

830
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:08,079
the Money.

831
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 2: So I just gotta say I love the way the

832
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,519
intro to this song goes because you start off with

833
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:17,679
this guitar chord progression that I'm like, oh, it's another

834
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,599
knocking on Heaven's door, no woman, no cry song, okay,

835
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:26,320
and then it's like boom boom boom, just kidding yeah,

836
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,199
and then and they're wailing through stuff. I was like, oh, nice,

837
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,800
nice bait and switch. Guys, you had me with that. Okay,

838
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,000
here we go, here's the same old three chord song

839
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:40,280
every nos. Yeah, no, they blew it Away, blew it Away.

840
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,000
This is a great song.

841
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 4: It's another rock song.

842
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: Did she do it for love? No, she did it

843
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,000
for money. Yeah, which, by the way, you told me

844
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:49,480
a story today about some kind of hard times that

845
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:53,679
Jeff Keith experienced after the band broke up, and I

846
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,199
had to think, I wonder if this song ever got

847
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,079
played in the rotation when that was going on. You're

848
00:44:59,079 --> 00:44:59,880
gonna tell that story.

849
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 4: So after they broke up in nineteen ninety six, you know,

850
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,920
they formed some solo projects, they did some stuff, but

851
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,000
really grunge had kind of killed this rock and roll thing,

852
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:12,920
and so they were just doing what they could and

853
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:16,480
Jeff Keith, in order to make ends meet, got a

854
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:21,639
job djying at a strip club. Rock star Jeff Keith going,

855
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,639
all right, everybody, get out your dollar bills.

856
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:31,559
Speaker 2: Kandy Cinnamon, diamond sugar. But I think that did it

857
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:34,039
for the money. Have to be a song you would play, right,

858
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:36,000
This is a This is a stripper song. Why wouldn't

859
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,199
you is this? Yeah?

860
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 4: Absolutely, this is a stripper song, all right. By the way,

861
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:41,719
before we move on from this one, yeah, these guys

862
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,000
like the Beatles. When the Beatles went to Hamburg, Germany,

863
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,960
to get in their ten thousand hours playing their songs. Yeah,

864
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:51,199
which is what honed them as a band, which made them.

865
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: Super successful, speaking of strip clubs.

866
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:57,039
Speaker 4: Speaking of strip clubs, Yeah, Tesla spent three months at

867
00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:00,760
a US Army base in Guam, in Guam where they

868
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:05,960
played six nights a week, five sets a day. Yeah, played, played, played, played, played.

869
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it really honed them as a band. They

870
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:11,960
became good in that time and got some good food apparently.

871
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,320
Oh was that right? Yeah, I guess, and he was

872
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:16,239
as he disclosed it, he was like, I'm not gonna

873
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,519
say his name so he doesn't get court martialed or whatever.

874
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:21,000
But they made friends with one of the military guys

875
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:24,039
who would steal stuff like steaks and lobsters and stuff

876
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:26,719
from the military rations to uh to take over to

877
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:27,760
get them to cook meat.

878
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,559
Speaker 4: I heard Frank Hannon on a podcast and he was

879
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:34,159
with Mark Goodman. Mark Goodman MTV VJ the first one

880
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:37,000
of the first group beings of MTV VJs, and Mark

881
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,320
Goodman was recalling the early days of MTV, saying, as

882
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,000
we know MTV was in Tulsa, Oklahoma, but it was

883
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:46,400
not on in Manhattan, New York. I mean New York

884
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,960
City didn't have MTV right, and so he could walk

885
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,519
down the street and everything was cool. And so Frank

886
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:56,039
Hannon spoke up and said, you know where MTV was Guam,

887
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:58,400
because that's all we watched in Guam. We just watched

888
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,599
nothing but MTV MTV. So I thought that was funny. Yeah,

889
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,920
next song is called Yesterday Is Gone. As much as

890
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,599
I want to play a boys to men's song right now,

891
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:20,000
I'm not gonna do that.

892
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:27,199
Speaker 2: I just gotta tell you the music on this is

893
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,480
really unique. Like you got a very very fast, shuffley

894
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,079
drum beat. I can't I can't tell you another song

895
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,719
that I can think of that sounds anything like this song. Okay,

896
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,440
I mean, it's just it's got a different I mean,

897
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,360
it's obviously still very rock. It's got great guitars, but

898
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,360
it's unique. It's different than most songs that were coming

899
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:48,000
out at this time.

900
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 4: It's kind of speed rock, but yet the chorus is

901
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:52,239
not sped up. It's just kind of slower, you know.

902
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the the guitars obviously are more heavily distorted,

903
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,599
but it's almost it's got almost like an early ZZ

904
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,000
time vibe, except faster. Yeah, I mean, I don't know

905
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:06,639
it's it's a great it's a great tune, very unique.

906
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,559
I don't know that it's like it's I don't think

907
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:10,679
it's a single kind of song because it's not hooky,

908
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,960
like it's not and the chorus is good, but it's

909
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,960
not something you're gonna sing to yourself later on. Right,

910
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:16,920
it's just kind of it's a good one to just

911
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,440
listen to and just be like just rockskuys are really

912
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:20,039
getting after it.

913
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you talked about owing Ronnie Montrasse a flat

914
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:24,880
screen TV.

915
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: You know who else they really owe a beer or more? Too?

916
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,400
Is Jack Russell of Great White. Oh yeah, he's the

917
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,199
one that turned on Tommy Zutat to him.

918
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 4: Yes, so tom Zutat who discovered Motley Crue, discovered Guns

919
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,719
and Roses, signed these guys, and.

920
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,039
Speaker 2: Signed these guys before he signed Guns and Roses, that's right.

921
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,079
So he had been at Elektra yes when he got

922
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:51,119
Motley Crue, obviously, yes, and then Tesla was the first

923
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,960
band that he signed once he moved over to Geffen,

924
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,039
which was a brand new label at that point. As

925
00:48:56,079 --> 00:49:00,000
a matter of fact, Mechanical Residence was the first successful

926
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,119
album for Geffen Records really yeah, and I mean they

927
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:07,159
had Aerosmith, but you know, Done with Mirrors was not

928
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:10,480
a particularly good album. That's right. This was so Tesla's

929
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:14,559
first album was the first successful album for Geffen Records,

930
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,840
and obviously Tommy Zutat is a part of that process,

931
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:20,280
and he was heavily involved until he did sign that

932
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,119
new band called Guns and Roses, and then they didn't

933
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:23,079
see him so much anymore.

934
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:26,559
Speaker 4: Well, hey, at least they got him on board. Okay,

935
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:29,320
So for the record of tom Zutat, we have now

936
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,239
covered Appetite for Destruction, We've covered Once Bitten twice, Shy

937
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,760
by Great White yep. We are now covering Tesla yep.

938
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,239
And we've covered Hotley Crue twice. Yeah, and and Girls

939
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,400
Girls Girls, Girls Girls Girls and Doctor Feel Good. And

940
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,760
there's some pretty great stories there.

941
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: Absolutely go check those episodes out. They're all fantastic.

942
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 4: All right, hit stop on your tape player, kick it out,

943
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,679
flip it over for side two, and we're going to

944
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,159
be making magic.

945
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: Okay, what are your thoughts? This is not the song

946
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,719
you start side too with? I agree with you, Yeah,

947
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,000
I this one is I mean, it's a it seems

948
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:21,760
like it should be a good song, but it doesn't

949
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,679
grab you. It doesn't. There's to me, nothing that reaches

950
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:25,800
out and grabsh you about this one.

951
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 4: This is the first song where I'm kind of like.

952
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,119
Speaker 2: Eh, yeah, I'm this might be I don't know if

953
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:32,320
it's a skipper, but it's definitely a filler. For sure.

954
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,039
It's filler.

955
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,639
Speaker 4: And why in the world would you not start the

956
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:41,880
second side off with the next song, which we might

957
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,519
as well just move on and talk to him.

958
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: I'm fine with doing that. I'm totally fine with doing that.

959
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,079
Before we get there, though, I did. We started talking

960
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:51,320
about Ronnie Montrose and and I told a story there,

961
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,519
but we've mentioned that, you know, Brian Whet's first band

962
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:59,280
was called Rage. Then when he got rid of basically

963
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,519
everybody except for Frank Hannon, they started a band called Earthshaker,

964
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:05,559
and that was the guys that I mentioned earlier. And

965
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:09,159
then ultimately they became city Kid. But once they got

966
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:11,760
to that stage, and Ronnie's like, this is city Kid

967
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,800
sounds like lover Boy, And so if you want to

968
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,320
be a pop band, then that's fine, but otherwise you

969
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,239
need to change your name, right, And so they kept

970
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,039
trying to think of names couldn't come up with anything.

971
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:24,119
It was actually their manager, I think again Peter Minch

972
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,880
that came up with this, and he said, what do

973
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,440
you guys think about the name Tesla? And they said,

974
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:39,679
what's a Tesla? Yeah, and so he explained to them,

975
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,239
you know, who Tesla was, and that this kind of

976
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,119
relationship with Edison and Marconi and all this other stuff,

977
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:49,079
and they're like, okay, sounds pretty cool. But they the

978
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:52,559
guys had no idea who he was. Was a this

979
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:56,000
is a manager call, and I think a fantastic one. Obviously,

980
00:51:56,039 --> 00:51:59,119
the name has become very popular since the nineties for

981
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:00,639
various reasons. Yeah, it has.

982
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that's interesting because they have so many

983
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:07,840
songs that seem to be calling back to this Tesla.

984
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:12,639
Speaker 2: Edison absolutely onto the idea. Yeah, he actually bought them

985
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,440
all books. He bought them the book on Tesla, whatever

986
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,079
the I remember the name of it is, and he says,

987
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:21,679
there's going to be a quiz and whoever gets a

988
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,079
hundred on the quiz gets a hundred bucks. Yeah, none

989
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:29,559
of them made a hundred bucks. But he again motivation,

990
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,480
read the book, and so they did. They did. They

991
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:34,159
read it, and so that's where you get Edison's medicine,

992
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:37,599
and you get the names like mechanical resonance and.

993
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,639
Speaker 4: Great controversy there all right, next, I mean, come on,

994
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,559
let's get I'm.

995
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:45,679
Speaker 2: Dying pushing you off and you wanted to jump in right?

996
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:46,760
All right, here we go.

997
00:52:47,320 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 4: This song is called the Way It Is.

998
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: That's the way it is. It's the way that it

999
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:25,960
goes better stuff. We're gonna listen to the whole thing.

1000
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:28,880
Oh man, it's so good. It tell me about your

1001
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:29,840
tell me about your thoughts.

1002
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:34,559
Speaker 4: So I've got the football in my hand and I've

1003
00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:37,679
got it back. If there were not for a game

1004
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:41,679
changer on this album, this would be the spike the

1005
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:42,519
football best off.

1006
00:53:51,800 --> 00:54:00,119
Speaker 3: It's the Way.

1007
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: So let me tell you this. I love the song,

1008
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,159
have listened to the song for years. As I pulled

1009
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:08,440
into your driveway, I was listening to this song and

1010
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,599
because of other music that I had been listening to

1011
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,159
earlier in the week, this week, I was like, huh,

1012
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,320
so I'm gonna play you a song by led Zeppelin.

1013
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,760
You tell me what you think.

1014
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: Okay, it's the.

1015
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:45,599
Speaker 2: Sun with both beautiful songs and I'm not gonna say

1016
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:47,920
it's a copy, but no, no, no, I gotta think

1017
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,920
it was inspired super super similar.

1018
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of like when we talked about the

1019
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,960
song Hysteria, Yeah, and the talk what was the Pink

1020
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:55,719
Floyd song that.

1021
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,159
Speaker 2: Was, oh yeah, yeah there was, Yeah, I can't remember

1022
00:54:58,159 --> 00:54:58,880
which write.

1023
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,559
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Goodbye Blues now that one's pretty well note

1024
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:02,920
for note, but yeah, but.

1025
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 2: This one, like the chords are slightly different, but.

1026
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:12,679
Speaker 4: It's the sound, the pace, the melodies all very similar,

1027
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:13,679
but both.

1028
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful songs in their own Yes. And I don't

1029
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,360
know if I said it. That's thank You by led

1030
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:18,159
Zeppelin by the way.

1031
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 4: Okay, the way it is is rocked up though, but man,

1032
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:24,000
such a great.

1033
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: Solid love it.

1034
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:27,119
Speaker 4: The video for this, I don't know if you've watched

1035
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:30,760
the video. So this is at the height of their powers, right,

1036
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,440
this is like the I think.

1037
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,079
Speaker 2: This is the fourth single released. This is in.

1038
00:55:35,079 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 4: Spring of nineteen ninety. But they it's like the radio

1039
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,559
DJ starts the video, he's like, all right, everybody, you're

1040
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,800
coming in to see the Tesla concert. If you bring

1041
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,519
two cans for the homeless, you get in for free.

1042
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:52,440
And it's in Sacramentos, their hometown, right, and so everybody's

1043
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,960
there bringing cans for the homeless to watch the Tesla

1044
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,159
concert and it's just it obviously doing great things, feeding

1045
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:02,079
the people, putting on a So you mentioned this band

1046
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:04,760
is from Sacramento. This was I mean, Sacramento is known

1047
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,960
for being the gold rush town, right, but it was

1048
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,079
it's also you know, at this at the stage that

1049
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:12,840
they were growing up there, it's a very much a

1050
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,920
working man's town, right, right. And all of these guys

1051
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:20,639
are very blue collar kind of kids. And the name

1052
00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:22,480
of Brian Wheat's book that I've referred to a few

1053
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,840
times is called Son of a Milkman. As it turns out,

1054
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,599
you know, you've heard that old joke about you know,

1055
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:30,039
the milkman game to your house, And yeah, that's actually

1056
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:33,679
what happened to his mother, and she got pregnant, and

1057
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,320
he is actually the son of the milkman.

1058
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: The milkman knocked his mother up. Yesoo who Yeah, And

1059
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,519
he says he can remember that his brother came and

1060
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,639
had bought a record player, and he remembers the very

1061
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:50,840
first time on this record player that his brother had

1062
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,679
probably bought with money he got from stealing stolen bike stuff,

1063
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,639
hearing Paul McCartney play. And if you've ever seen Brian

1064
00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:02,039
Wheat play, especially on the five man Acoustical Jam. He's

1065
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:05,320
got a very unique looking bass. It is the exact

1066
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,920
same type of bass that Paul McCartney would play most

1067
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,039
of the time whenever he was playing for the Beatles.

1068
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:16,400
It is a Hoffner style bass. It looks kind of

1069
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,360
like a violin the way that it shaped, you know.

1070
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:22,039
So he said he was so entranced by Paul McCartney's

1071
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:25,519
voice because the album that he was listening to was Revolver.

1072
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:28,320
I remember that, right, Revolver is the album. Well, the

1073
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,400
first song on the album is tax Man, but the

1074
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,320
album that he had gotten had a scratch on it

1075
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,679
so that one couldn't play the first song. So immediately

1076
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:37,679
went to the second song, and that was Paul McCartney playing.

1077
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,000
And so he said, had the record I had a scratch,

1078
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:42,280
I probably would have been in love with George Harrison's voice.

1079
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,920
But because we skipped to the next song, I got

1080
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:45,719
Paul McCartney.

1081
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 4: Okay, So I wanted to bring this up. Brian Wheat

1082
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,599
eventually marries Sandy Soirea. Now I was talking to our

1083
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:55,480
buddy James Buckley on the way over here. He claims

1084
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:58,679
that the Sorea song on the Shocker soundtrack.

1085
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: Shocker the movie. Yes, classic cinematic greatness.

1086
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 4: Hey, Wes Craven's Shocker. So it's Sorea and Steve Lucather. Okay,

1087
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,719
And the song's name is Timeless Love. And he is

1088
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,320
spiking the football with me. He says, this is one

1089
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,400
of the greatest ballads of the nineteenies. And I was

1090
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,719
telling him Sirea had a song called Love Has Taken

1091
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,760
Its Toll, which I absolutely love and I would never

1092
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,960
get to talk about it because it's not a big

1093
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:33,360
enough hit.

1094
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,239
Speaker 2: People don't know it. But I'm dropping it right there. Okay.

1095
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:57,400
Then I love this song. It's a good song. I

1096
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:58,280
love it. It's a good song.

1097
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 4: I hate to be done with this song. I absolutely

1098
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,800
love it. It's the second best song on the album. Next

1099
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:23,559
song on the album is a song called Flight to Nowhere.

1100
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: Now the rock song about being a rock star.

1101
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 4: This is about drugs, It's about the whole lifestyle. I think, Yeah,

1102
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,599
this is another rocker. It's a good song.

1103
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,199
Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of drugs and booze. Yes, you know that

1104
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:47,920
their first opening act. They opened for David Lee Roth. Right, Okay,

1105
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,440
so he apparently like I mean, they're obviously a young

1106
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,039
man at this point, and they didn't really talk to

1107
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:55,119
him very much, and it would be a situation like

1108
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:57,960
when he was walking the hall, they tell everybody else

1109
00:59:58,039 --> 01:00:00,480
to get out of the way and could make way

1110
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:03,960
for Dave Davis coming through. Right, And I'm gonna sidetrack

1111
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,239
here in just a second. I just heard this story

1112
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,480
about from Henry Rollins said he was going in to

1113
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:14,000
do some sort of podcast interview or something like that.

1114
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:16,679
And as he's going in, it's like nine in the morning,

1115
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,880
David Lee Roth is coming out, and David Lee Roth

1116
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:25,280
is wearing like this full fur like road right, and

1117
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:28,199
Henry Rollins the first time he's ever met David Lee Roth,

1118
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:31,079
and he's like, oh my gosh, I'm Dave. You know,

1119
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,639
I love your stuff, grew up on your music, love

1120
01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:37,719
it and Diamond Dave. David Lee Roth opens up his

1121
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:44,440
coat and it's like lined with beer bottles. He's like, hey, man,

1122
01:00:44,519 --> 01:00:48,440
you want to be here? And Henry Rollins doesn't drink,

1123
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:52,760
doesn't do drugs, you know, He's like, no, nine, am, man,

1124
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,519
I'm pretty cool things. David Lee Roth says, what's the matter?

1125
01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:06,119
You got school tomorrow, And so that's my lead end

1126
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:08,920
of this story. At some point while they're opening for them,

1127
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,360
they get a call and it's like, David wants to

1128
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,960
see you, and it's one he wants to meet you

1129
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:15,400
up in his hotel room. And so they go up

1130
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,840
to meet David Lee Roth in his hotel room and

1131
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:22,400
when they walk in, he's laying down with two incredibly

1132
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:27,280
beautiful women whose panties are on the floor in between

1133
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:32,159
them and him, and he propositions them and he's like, hey,

1134
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,000
Pete Angelus, and I would like to manage your band,

1135
01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:37,440
Pete Angelis.

1136
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 4: We just talked about him last week as the manager

1137
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:40,719
for the Black Cross.

1138
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,239
Speaker 2: He was the one who made the Black Crows, who

1139
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,360
they were taught Chris Robinson, how to be on stage

1140
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,199
in a big arena, how to dance across the stage.

1141
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,960
He made that band. He took them to where they

1142
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,440
needed to be. He's the guy who directed the David

1143
01:01:56,519 --> 01:01:59,920
Lee Roth videos, directed those first three Van Haleen video.

1144
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:03,519
He's an amazing dude, right, and I have to think

1145
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:06,039
this is just before all of that, right, this is

1146
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:09,239
when they're just early getting started. This would be eat

1147
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,400
him and smile, you know, co residence time. So had

1148
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:18,639
they said yes, Pete Angelis might not have been available

1149
01:02:18,639 --> 01:02:21,960
to do the Black Crows. Wow, how about that? Yeah,

1150
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,559
but they said, uh, now we got a couple guys already.

1151
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 4: Thanks gosh, Hey, you know I sent you a deal

1152
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:32,360
this week. Yeah, Tesla was friends with the Black Crows.

1153
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:33,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1154
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:37,119
Speaker 4: In fact, Tesla did an early MTV Unplugged date with

1155
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:40,320
the Black Crows, like together, and I heard him talking

1156
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,960
about this. They so they were buddies. But they said

1157
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,639
that they think they smoked out MTV, like MTV had

1158
01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:49,320
not seen that much marijuana smoke in one setting ever.

1159
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's saying something. Yeah. Yeah, so it's interesting

1160
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,920
that these guys were friends. Yeah. So yeah, And just

1161
01:02:56,159 --> 01:02:58,320
a couple more songs. We're gonna have to decide between

1162
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,079
these two bands, of these two albums, which one's the best.

1163
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,679
Let's get to it all right.

1164
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,159
Speaker 4: Next song on the album hold on to your Hats,

1165
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:09,159
boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen, you can't play it

1166
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:13,159
here is the song that introduced both Jason and I

1167
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:14,519
to this band, and.

1168
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 2: To this day is my favorite Tesla song. The songs

1169
01:03:18,519 --> 01:03:54,559
called love Song. So listen the whole song go on.

1170
01:03:55,239 --> 01:03:57,920
I could listen to that song over and over and

1171
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,840
over and never get tired of it. You have this

1172
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,000
beautiful classical style of an introduction. I mean talk about

1173
01:04:05,239 --> 01:04:08,039
we've we've just had rocker, rocker, rocker, and all of

1174
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:10,320
a sudden that yanked the rug out from underneath you.

1175
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,559
And you're listening to an acoustical guitar playing finger picking

1176
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:20,519
classical style music and then they come in nice and smooth.

1177
01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:23,719
I mean, it's such a smooth transition from that into

1178
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:52,760
this incredible power ballad. I mean, game change, amazing, game changering.

1179
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,360
This was my intro to Tesla.

1180
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 4: It was your intro testa and I'd venture to say

1181
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,159
it was a lot of people's intro to Tesla. The

1182
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,960
intro is fantastic. It slides into a verse that's beautiful.

1183
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:10,000
It gives you this wonderful chorus, and then it like

1184
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:13,719
ramps up at the very end with the love Will

1185
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:18,639
Find a Way part. The guitar solo is one you memorize.

1186
01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:23,760
I mean it it is arguably a perfect song. If

1187
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,599
there can be multiple perfect movies like Raids of Lost

1188
01:05:26,719 --> 01:05:29,079
arc and Back to the Future and The Godfather, then

1189
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:32,679
I would say this is one of those perfect songs.

1190
01:05:32,679 --> 01:05:35,039
I mean, it's absolutely one of the Best Songs of

1191
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:38,880
nineteen eighty nine and a brilliant power ballad.

1192
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:41,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is another one that is on the five

1193
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,280
man Acoustical Jam and they do it, of course, completely acoustically,

1194
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,199
and it's still amazing except the guitar solo. Do you

1195
01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:51,400
remember that part that they pull out the la.

1196
01:05:51,719 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 4: They're like, we can't do this whole thing. They lay

1197
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,159
into that electric.

1198
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,199
Speaker 2: Guitar, so fantastic.

1199
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,039
Speaker 4: I want to talk about the video for a second,

1200
01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:02,400
because the video is nearly perfect as well. Okay, So

1201
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,519
this was shot July seventh, nineteen eighty nine, so think

1202
01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:10,239
how hot it is fourth of July weekend, right, So

1203
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,039
they had a concert in Sacramento, and a local radio

1204
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:18,679
station KRXQ in Sacramento had a contest awarding backstage passes

1205
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,719
to the fan who created the best banner.

1206
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:21,119
Speaker 2: Okay.

1207
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 4: Now, the banner had to say KRXQ tesla and love song.

1208
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:27,719
Speaker 2: Okay.

1209
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,599
Speaker 4: And so when you watch this music video, that's why

1210
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:33,360
they have all these people there, got these love song

1211
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,360
banners in the crowd. Fantastic, and you got people like

1212
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,880
on people's shoulders, and it just really takes me back

1213
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,360
to a time because you've got cute girls and you've

1214
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,960
got you know, the guys all got their shirts off,

1215
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,400
and everybody's having a blast and it's hotter than you

1216
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,239
know what, July fourth weekend. There's no phones. Of course,

1217
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,239
everybody is engaged in what's going on, and it is

1218
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,159
just it looks like a blast. So if you're a

1219
01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:02,360
young person and you're like what was like in the eighties,

1220
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:19,239
out of concert will be four phones. This is it. Yeah,

1221
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,719
everybody was engaged what was going on the show.

1222
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 2: And you know, you you told me this story. But

1223
01:07:24,719 --> 01:07:27,960
I'm gonna retell it because it's it's it's it's it

1224
01:07:28,119 --> 01:07:30,159
almost takes away from the song. But this is such

1225
01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:32,280
a good song that I just have to think. I'm

1226
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:33,960
not gonna call it that. I'm not gonna say that

1227
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,320
takes away. It's it's what opened everyone's eyes. Okay, Sure,

1228
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,039
So the song was a very slow burn and it

1229
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:44,840
was only getting played on the album oriented rock radio.

1230
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,880
That was it, right, It had not crossed over and

1231
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,679
it was like starting to kind of plateau a little

1232
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:55,000
bit even with that. Gosh, but Cliff Bernstein and Peter

1233
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:59,159
Minsch were also managing the Rolling Stones. Yes, and the

1234
01:07:59,239 --> 01:08:02,719
Rolling Stone were involved on their steel wheels tour.

1235
01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 4: Right, which they had recorded in mons Rat.

1236
01:08:05,719 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, which we talked about on our dire

1237
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,960
Straits episode too long ago. And so they they saw

1238
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:15,000
that this song had the potential to break the band,

1239
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,880
but also saw that it wasn't quite breaking the band yet.

1240
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:21,880
And so what they did was they said to the radio,

1241
01:08:22,199 --> 01:08:26,600
like the chart topping radio, you know, your top forty radio.

1242
01:08:27,079 --> 01:08:31,119
They said, hey, we'll give you two tickets to the

1243
01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:34,279
Steel Wheels tour that you can give away to your fans,

1244
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,880
but we want you to play love song. I love it.

1245
01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:39,399
Brilliant management. It is rightant management.

1246
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 4: And you know what, in fairness, this song is so

1247
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,720
good that it merited that and it did break the

1248
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,560
band absolutely, so it just needed a little push over

1249
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,760
the hill. Yeah, and here we are talking about one

1250
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,079
of the best songs of the late eighties.

1251
01:08:52,199 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: Yep, this I put I put this management decision in

1252
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,840
the same category as Pete Angelis saying, Okay, now to

1253
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,279
talk about how bad the beer is, because we're going

1254
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:06,439
to get your contract renegotiated after I get you on

1255
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,359
the cover of Rolling Stone magazine.

1256
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 4: If you want the details of that story, go back

1257
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,439
to last week where we talked about the Black Crows.

1258
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:15,359
By the way, love Song reached number ten on the

1259
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,920
Hot one hundred. Now, none of these songs are radio

1260
01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:21,159
like top forty hits except this one.

1261
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 2: Yep.

1262
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,399
Speaker 4: Okay, so it reached number ten, and as you said,

1263
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,399
it was released in August, it didn't peak until January.

1264
01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:31,279
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a long time, right.

1265
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 4: So number ten Love Song pops out at number ten

1266
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,359
deserves better, way better in my opinion.

1267
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 2: Okay.

1268
01:09:37,239 --> 01:09:40,199
Speaker 4: Number nine two to Make It Right by Seduction. Number

1269
01:09:40,199 --> 01:09:42,960
eight free fall In by Tom Petty. Okay, that's a

1270
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,079
great song's classic. Yeah, just between you and me, Lou Graham,

1271
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:47,239
remember that one.

1272
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,279
Speaker 2: Not really, we're trying to Luke Graham foreigner, right, it's yeah, Okay.

1273
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:51,520
Speaker 3: Here's all right.

1274
01:09:52,119 --> 01:09:54,039
Speaker 4: Number six Rhythm Nation by Jenna Jackson.

1275
01:09:54,119 --> 01:09:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a big one in the day. Yeah.

1276
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 4: Number five Downtown Trained by Rod Stewart.

1277
01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1278
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:01,520
Speaker 4: Number four Everything.

1279
01:10:01,119 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 2: By Jody Wattley.

1280
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:02,520
Speaker 7: No.

1281
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 4: Another Day in Paradise by Phil Collins.

1282
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,560
Speaker 2: Okay, sure that's a boob. Yeah.

1283
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,359
Speaker 4: Pump Up the Jam by Take My Tronic Pump Up Jam.

1284
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,560
Speaker 2: That's a pretty iconic song.

1285
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the number one song this week in eighty nine.

1286
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,199
How am I supposed to live without you Michael Bolton.

1287
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,560
Speaker 2: Gosh, when your best song tops out at ten and

1288
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,479
Michael Bolton is in the number one spot, that kind

1289
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:32,720
of hurts. Oh, I have a different shirt on. Hey,

1290
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,800
you have the same shirt on haircut. I have a

1291
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,880
different shirt on. What happened? What just happened?

1292
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 4: Right now the for the first time in the history

1293
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,000
of the Shirley Can't Be Serious podcast, we forgot to

1294
01:10:41,119 --> 01:10:43,479
include a song as we were going track by track.

1295
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: I really can't. I feel like maybe you're editing software

1296
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,880
accidentally edited out. I really feel like we talked about this.

1297
01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:51,520
Speaker 4: So this is what happened. I'll tell you this is

1298
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,640
DA was truth. I have my stack of notes and

1299
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,520
for each song I have its own page.

1300
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:56,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1301
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 4: Well the wind blew and there they went, and when

1302
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,880
I gather them, I guess I left. I lost one

1303
01:11:03,039 --> 01:11:04,279
and it was a big one.

1304
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah again, I'm just like, man, I could have

1305
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,880
sworn we talked about this song. I did have that

1306
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,920
moment where where you were like, okay, last song, and

1307
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,199
I thought of myself, wait a minute. I thought we

1308
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:14,560
had two songs, and then you're like, no, we got

1309
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,199
two more songs. And I was like Okay, then we've

1310
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:17,560
got it. But we didn't get it.

1311
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 4: So let's talk about the song Paradise.

1312
01:11:35,239 --> 01:11:40,319
Speaker 2: Dude, we're idiots. This song I don't know, man, Yeah,

1313
01:11:40,399 --> 01:11:42,399
I mean, gorgeous intro.

1314
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 4: It reminds me of Home Sweet Home, you know, with

1315
01:11:47,039 --> 01:11:48,880
that piano and wailing guitar.

1316
01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 2: But it's I mean, you're not gonna agree with me,

1317
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,520
but it's better. I like.

1318
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,399
Speaker 4: I like Paradise better than Home Sweet Home. It's it's

1319
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,600
so beautiful. The guitar is so emotion I love the

1320
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,560
piano in it, and then when he comes in with

1321
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,800
the lyrics, it just brings it all home.

1322
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.

1323
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 4: The my sweet Paradise and the strong keyboards and it

1324
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:14,000
actually it's a ballad and then ramps up into a

1325
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:15,760
rocker at the end of it.

1326
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, so fun.

1327
01:12:17,079 --> 01:12:17,239
Speaker 6: You know.

1328
01:12:17,279 --> 01:12:19,399
Speaker 4: The funny thing about this is I was mowing the

1329
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,600
other day and I was thinking to myself, I really

1330
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,520
was thinking about deaf Dave because he's not familiar with

1331
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,439
Tesla at all, and I'm thinking in my head, I'm like,

1332
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,840
you know, if Dave will just give Tesla a chance

1333
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,760
to get to side to on side too, you've got

1334
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,000
love song and you've got the way it is and

1335
01:12:37,039 --> 01:12:41,039
you've got paradise, and I'm like, wait a minute, we

1336
01:12:41,039 --> 01:13:02,039
didn't talk about paradise. So anyway, Dave, thank you. You

1337
01:13:02,079 --> 01:13:04,680
were the you were the spark that triggered the memory.

1338
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,000
This song is an amazing song. I love it. I

1339
01:13:08,079 --> 01:13:11,279
actually love the five men acoustical jam version of this song.

1340
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,680
The studio version is fantastic, but there is a reality

1341
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,640
of that stage version, that audience singing along. They're singing

1342
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,319
along the hold me close, hold me tight.

1343
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,079
Speaker 2: It's incredible, man, it's incredible. Yeah, I love it.

1344
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,159
Speaker 4: Well, there you go, ladies and gentlemen of first in

1345
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,119
over five years of doing this, we missed a song.

1346
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 2: Sorry about that. We brought it back. We got it

1347
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,079
in just in time though. Okay, and now we're turning

1348
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:38,039
you back to your regularly scheduled program.

1349
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:41,039
Speaker 4: Okay, last song on the album, there we Go. The

1350
01:13:41,119 --> 01:13:43,000
song is called Parties Over.

1351
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 2: That's great.

1352
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 4: It's a rocker, man.

1353
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,560
Speaker 2: It is a great closer. It's a great closer. It

1354
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,399
really is, and I mean perfect name perfect into a

1355
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,239
concert if you're at the concert. Yeah, And so to

1356
01:14:03,279 --> 01:14:06,079
tell the listening audience the little behind the scenes here

1357
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:11,039
you accidentally pushed a different button whenever we're going to

1358
01:14:11,079 --> 01:14:14,600
listen to parties over, and it was modern day cowboy, right.

1359
01:14:15,119 --> 01:14:17,199
So that reminded me of one more story that I've

1360
01:14:17,239 --> 01:14:19,960
got to tell. So, before they came up with the

1361
01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:22,399
name Tesla, as they were still City Kid and they

1362
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:25,119
were trying to think of a new name, they were

1363
01:14:25,159 --> 01:14:28,640
hanging out with Chrissy Hind of The Pretenders. Yeah, Brian

1364
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,760
said she was the coolest chick. He said she would

1365
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,199
try to help them think up band names, but she

1366
01:14:35,399 --> 01:14:39,119
was like always thinking of the dirtiest, nastiest band names.

1367
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:43,439
And she said, imagine this modern day cowboy by the

1368
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,640
new band Dog's Balls.

1369
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,199
Speaker 4: All right, I gotta drop a little nugget on you.

1370
01:14:50,319 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 2: Okay.

1371
01:14:51,399 --> 01:14:55,199
Speaker 4: Culturally, yes, the term turn out the lights the parties over?

1372
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,359
Uh huh was popularized by do you know this?

1373
01:14:58,840 --> 01:14:59,600
Speaker 2: No Down?

1374
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 4: Merrit, a former quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. On Monday

1375
01:15:03,039 --> 01:15:05,960
Night football, when a game got out of hand and

1376
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:07,359
it was clear who the winner was going to be,

1377
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,439
he would sing turn out the lights the Parties Over,

1378
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,199
which he got from a Willie Nelson song called the

1379
01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:19,319
Party's Over. Okay, all right, as we go into final judgment.

1380
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,279
Keep in mind, it doesn't matter who gets the best

1381
01:15:22,279 --> 01:15:25,000
of who, it doesn't matter who hurts who the most.

1382
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,960
It really is just the way it is.

1383
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:33,239
Speaker 2: Okay, nicely done, Final judgment time. Yep. So here's the deal.

1384
01:15:33,319 --> 01:15:36,560
Speaker 4: I've really been laboring on this because going through the

1385
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,359
Black Crows album last week, there were no skippers in

1386
01:15:39,399 --> 01:15:43,119
that album, and there were some amazing songs. And then

1387
01:15:43,159 --> 01:15:46,439
I go through this Tesla album this week and I'm like,

1388
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:51,199
all rock, I mean, killer fun songs, and then you've

1389
01:15:51,239 --> 01:15:53,800
got a couple of game changers for me, like the

1390
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,520
Way it Is love song. I think Hank tof is excellent.

1391
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,199
So I asked myself, what's the better album? And I

1392
01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:03,359
think the answer to that question is Shake Your money

1393
01:16:03,359 --> 01:16:06,920
Maker is the better album. But I can't overcome my

1394
01:16:07,079 --> 01:16:12,119
nostalgia for Tesla and Great Radio Controversy, and so I

1395
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asked myself, Yeah, it's the best album, but if you're

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walking out the door, which one are you grabbing? And

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I'm like, if I'm walking out the door, I'm grabbing

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great Radio Controversy.

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay. D So when we started, when we had

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just talked about this, I had no doubt in my

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mind who I was going to be picking, right, zeroed out,

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01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:39,399
like I owned this album, I owned the five man

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01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,920
Acoustical Jam, I owned Psychotic Supper, I had them all right,

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01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:46,520
song and Emotion Blew Me Away. I love that song, right, yeah, yeah,

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01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:51,720
I love those albums. I had heard the singles off

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of Shake Your Money Maker, and obviously we played those

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01:16:54,359 --> 01:16:57,840
in the band as well, but I never owned but

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I never owned the album, and so I thought, okay, well,

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you know Black Crows are great. But so before listening

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to the albums, in my mind, the winner was going

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to be clear, Like Frank Cannon was a guitar hero

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01:17:09,239 --> 01:17:12,479
of mine that I ultimately got to meet and I

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got to play guitar with, and it was a fantastic

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moment in my life. You know, I've been saying, don't

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meet your heroes after my lou f Igno experience, right,

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But then I think about Frank Cannon, I'm like, no,

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go ahead and meet your heroes, because sometimes they can

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01:17:25,159 --> 01:17:28,079
be completely awesome. And I was confident I was going

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to pick Tesla, no question about it, except that then

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01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,960
I listened to all of Shake Your Money Maker for

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the very first time, and my mind was blown, Like

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01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:43,880
it is a flawless album. Every song on there is good,

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and a few of them are just blow your mind fantastic.

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And I got a new favorite song out of the

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mix twice as hard. I loved it, loved it, and

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01:17:54,079 --> 01:18:00,119
so early nineties D would definitely be picking great radio controversy.

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My musical taste have changed in the last thirty five years,

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and I still love this album. But if I'm walking

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out the door, I'm grabbing Shake Your Moneymaker. I love it.

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I love it.

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Speaker 4: That's fantastic. I don't think there's a wrong answer to

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this one.

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Speaker 2: Now. I cannot say that I would say the same

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01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,760
if we were talking about five Man Acoustical Jam. I

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might pick that one before I picked Shake Your money Maker. Oka,

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it really might. It's a tough call.

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Speaker 4: Well that was a huge album for me as well. Yeah,

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01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:29,920
all right, Well, we want to hear from you guys,

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which of these albums is your favorite and why and

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01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:33,520
reach out to us.

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Speaker 2: We'd like to hear from you. Yeah, let us know.

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01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,279
Is it Shake Your money Maker? Is it great radio controversy?

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01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,920
How does five Man Acoustical Jam fit in the mix

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01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:41,239
for you?

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01:18:41,399 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 4: Let's talk go what we have next week Okay, what

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01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,520
we got next week? D This is gonna be exciting

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01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:51,399
because we have Rambo versus Commando, Arnold versus Stallone. In

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01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,319
the summer of nineteen eighty five, it was huge. These

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01:18:54,319 --> 01:18:56,880
guys battled it out at the box office. You haven't

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01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,359
seen either of these movies. I am so anxious to

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01:18:59,399 --> 01:18:59,920
hear what you have.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be breaking my serrated knife cherry if

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you will.

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01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:07,319
Speaker 4: That's right, Hey, Stilone versus Schwarzenegger doesn't get any better

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01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:08,079
than doesn't.

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01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 2: It does summer of eighty five, and you're gonna get

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01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,159
my genuine first time reaction for this. So be sure

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and wait. It's gonna be so fun. Thank you guys

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so much. We'll see you next week.