Speaker 1: You created everything, what put a powerful being you are.
Speaker 1: You did these things, but now you're in a human body,
Speaker 1: you forget the power you have.
Speaker 2: What you do is what the whole universe is doing
Speaker 2: at the place you call here, and now you are
Speaker 2: something the whole universe is doing in the same way
Speaker 2: that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing.
Speaker 3: You're doing doing what you imagination.
Speaker 1: Welcome to metamistics, where you don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 1: My name's Jonathan, I'm Sean and today is actually a
Speaker 1: special episode. It is wonder Wednesday on a Saturday. So, uh,
Speaker 1: there's that we couldn't do it this past Wednesday. It
Speaker 1: was it was a bit chaotic, it was a bit wild.
Speaker 1: There was still a lot of getting over and we
Speaker 1: had a wild experience here recently, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of one of those things to where, man, you just
Speaker 1: really need some time to sit on it for a
Speaker 1: little while. You know, there's just some things are you
Speaker 1: can't put words to some things, and those are sometimes
Speaker 1: the hardest obstacles to overcome.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, dude, And you know you can try
Speaker 4: to put words to it and you can talk it
Speaker 4: out with somebody, but I feel like it's it's the
Speaker 4: best conversation you're going to have is with yourself, you know,
Speaker 4: when you go in and you have it's just you
Speaker 4: and you. You know. And it's taken me about probably
Speaker 4: until about now. You know, it's been a solid week,
Speaker 4: and I mean I'm feeling a lot better, you know.
Speaker 4: But that was definitely a visit to the shadow if
Speaker 4: there ever was one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so basically it was Saturday night. So literally, damn
Speaker 1: has it been a week since then?
Speaker 4: Already it has? Yeah. I just right before I went
Speaker 4: to go get an energy drink and everything else, and
Speaker 4: I was thinking about it and I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 4: it's been a week. I feel like I've just been
Speaker 4: processing it this whole week, you know, so so wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's only been a week. And so anyhow,
Speaker 1: there's been a couple of changes and a couple of
Speaker 1: moving pieces and everything as to why we had to
Speaker 1: move it. It wasn't just because of that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so just to before we even get into that, for
Speaker 1: anybody that doesn't know, we actually uh oh wow, we
Speaker 1: got a cult member that came on over. Skunky, My dude, Skunk,
Speaker 1: What up, Ben? Good to see you, Bud, welcome in everybody.
Speaker 1: So far, it's still early in the night. The night
Speaker 1: is is early so far. But anyway, the if in
Speaker 1: case you're not like a listener of the Cult of
Speaker 1: Conspiracy or anything like that, I am no longer a
Speaker 1: co host to the Cult of Conspiracy, and that was
Speaker 1: just wrapped up this past week, and I'm very excited
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, I love the Cult of Conspiracy,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. That is my baby. That was
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of That was my first
Speaker 1: ever podcast, and to be honest, I never really expected
Speaker 1: it to get as big as it did. It was.
Speaker 1: It started out as just a hobby, you know, and
Speaker 1: and then like with anything else, I mean, you showed
Speaker 1: a little bit of love, you showed a little bit
Speaker 1: of attention, and it just starts to grow almost uncontrollably,
Speaker 1: which it kind of did in a good way. And
Speaker 1: and you know, made a lot of good connections and
Speaker 1: a lot of amazing conversations, a lot of great friends
Speaker 1: that we made along the way and everything. But now
Speaker 1: is the time for me to step into a full
Speaker 1: time role with Metamistics.
Speaker 4: This was.
Speaker 1: Kind of been something that I've been alluding to as
Speaker 1: to what I've been wanting to do for quite some
Speaker 1: time now, so I don't know, probably maybe a year
Speaker 1: ago I mentioned that this was like it's right around
Speaker 1: the corner, it's not that far away, and yeah, so
Speaker 1: here we are. We are full time on Metamistics and
Speaker 1: very excited about it. I think it's going to turn
Speaker 1: out amazing. We have a bunch of amazing guests that
Speaker 1: are going to be coming up. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I know that some people were, you know, they're wondering,
Speaker 1: like what's going on behind you know, behind the cameras
Speaker 1: and stuff like that between me and Jacob. Me and
Speaker 1: Jacob are just I mean, dude, we're great. We're like
Speaker 1: pickles and carrots or what's the saying. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah, PE's and carrots, but pickles and
Speaker 1: carrots sounds cooler. Anyway. Yeah, we're fine. It's just that
Speaker 1: I wanted to devote more time and more attention to meta.
Speaker 1: This is my true passion. It started out with the cult.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, if you're ever having
Speaker 1: any kind of spiritual awakening, you almot like everybody has
Speaker 1: their own route to get there, you know, And for
Speaker 1: me it was conspiracies, like I needed the wor to
Speaker 1: shatter into a gajillion different pieces and in order for
Speaker 1: me to see that none of this is what we thought.
Speaker 1: And I did that episode after episode after episode, whether
Speaker 1: it's the Epstein flight logs or nine to eleven or
Speaker 1: flat Earth. I mean, you name your conspiracy. I bought
Speaker 1: it all, I ate it all, I drank it all,
Speaker 1: I lived it all. That was my life for over
Speaker 1: five years, and I loved every one of those conversations.
Speaker 1: But I just got to a point where I didn't
Speaker 1: need my illusion shattered anymore. It was already an illusion
Speaker 1: at this point. I was just building up a new paradigm,
Speaker 1: which I didn't necessarily need. And to be honest, I
Speaker 1: think politics are an absolute cess pool and I'm so
Speaker 1: happy I don't have to talk about that bullshit anymore.
Speaker 1: I hate politics. I never want to talk about it again.
Speaker 1: So there's that. But yeah, so yeah, I'm completely out
Speaker 1: of the cult. I'll still be showing up every Tuesday
Speaker 1: night for the cult member live shows. I'm still gonna
Speaker 1: be managing it from behind the scenes, but as far
Speaker 1: as podcasting goes, I'm a full time metimistic baby.
Speaker 4: Hey man, we're happy to have you you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. I'm sure that the one is excited about that.
Speaker 4: And like you said, you know, you put enough attention
Speaker 4: and energy into something and it kind of just grows
Speaker 4: into something that you didn't even know it could grow into,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So what you did there
Speaker 4: with the cult was I mean, just amazing, you know.
Speaker 4: And but yeah, man, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 4: You know, you gotta do what feels right. So oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know there's certain you know, they say
Speaker 1: you don't put Pandora back in the box, and I
Speaker 1: feel like that's what we found over here, you know,
Speaker 1: like we took Pandora all the way out and we're like,
Speaker 1: we actually like her. We want to hang out with
Speaker 1: her for a little bit.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's not that we want to put her back in
Speaker 1: the toothpaste doesn't go back in the tube, as they say.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Yeah dude, And you know, we are like,
Speaker 4: what choice do we have, you know, especially after what
Speaker 4: we experience, which I'm sure we'll be getting into, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, to what detail, I don't even know,
Speaker 4: but yeah, man, I'm sure we got some stuff to
Speaker 4: share with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tonight's gonna be a wild night. We don't have
Speaker 1: any guests, but I feel like what we're gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about is already explosive enough, so just to throw
Speaker 1: that out there. Absolutely, But before we get to the
Speaker 1: next part, and if anybody has any questions, feel free
Speaker 1: to ask. You know, this is a we're completely transparent
Speaker 1: and open book with all this kind of stuff. Ben said, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: I knew it. I feel like if you've been listening
Speaker 1: to Meta long enough, you kind of probably figured that
Speaker 1: that's where I was I was going. But uh, let's see.
Speaker 1: Christian said, fuck yeah, I love this, my dude. The
Speaker 1: White Boy Wizard love them, I love you, dude. Skunky
Speaker 1: said much love all. First time here, Skunk, good to
Speaker 1: see you.
Speaker 4: Bud welcome in.
Speaker 1: And the water is warm. It's quite warm. I would
Speaker 1: say it's at least body temperature. The White Boy Wizard said,
Speaker 1: I'm erect af get baby girl all to ourselves from
Speaker 1: now on you go.
Speaker 5: I'm so excited my pants can't hide me.
Speaker 2: Rick.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, all right, my dude, my guy. So yeah, there,
Speaker 1: like I said, full on Meta, we're doing it. It's
Speaker 1: going to be crazy. We're going to be going Monday,
Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday night as often as we can, maybe
Speaker 1: even a little bit more often than that. And that's
Speaker 1: even going to be changing given another six months to
Speaker 1: a year. I don't want to go too much into detail,
Speaker 1: but around then is whenever we are full thrusting, I
Speaker 1: mean there's no I mean, it's not pulling out at all, dude,
Speaker 1: It's just going to be full on, balls deep. It's
Speaker 1: just going to be crazy.
Speaker 4: Will be weak for sure. At some point I'll be
Speaker 4: able to do more episodes and we will definitely be
Speaker 4: full time in So I'm really looking forward to that.
Speaker 4: And man, I can only imagine what more we can
Speaker 4: learn after this last week and processing everything that I
Speaker 4: I've had to process just after that experience. Man, you know,
Speaker 4: it's only going to get better, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, Yeah, it's gonna get crazy. Well, and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you so. As I was alluding to a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier, me and Sean had a had quite a
Speaker 1: journey a week from from a week ago from tonight
Speaker 1: as of time of recording, and Ben said, what happened
Speaker 1: to your beard? You know, I'm actually going to get there.
Speaker 1: This actually plays into it because it's a whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy actually. So Saturday night, me and
Speaker 1: Sean decided to trip, as we do whenever we get together,
Speaker 1: and it, uh, it started out already rocky, not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: Sean was not taking too well to it at first.
Speaker 4: And well normally, you know, you experienced that climb, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like things are starting to get
Speaker 4: a little funny. Things are starting to become a little
Speaker 4: bit uncomfortable. It's almost like the the frame and which
Speaker 4: you view reality is starting to shift away a little bit,
Speaker 4: and things are becoming a little more almost objective, you know,
Speaker 4: like you don't have a whole lot of frame of
Speaker 4: reference or a model set up for some of the
Speaker 4: experiences that you're having. You know, just being in the
Speaker 4: backyard and I felt like everything around me was just
Speaker 4: a little too much, dude, it was it seemed kind
Speaker 4: of chaotic, just the sounds that I was hearing and
Speaker 4: the weeds kind of blowing in the wind. It was
Speaker 4: just like so much happening all at once. And I
Speaker 4: know that, you know, you would hear me say that
Speaker 4: and you would be like, well, that doesn't seem like
Speaker 4: anything chaotic. But when everything that you know, everything that
Speaker 4: you understand. Like I said, like the models or the
Speaker 4: things that are just wired in for your understanding alone
Speaker 4: goes away all of a sudden. You're just experiencing like
Speaker 4: almost the most objective reality possible. And that's the best
Speaker 4: way I can explain that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, and objective objectivity is something that just doesn't
Speaker 1: exist in the in the psychedelic world. Like that's gone.
Speaker 1: It's completely gone.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It is absolutely destabilized, and we had to figure out
Speaker 1: the hard way. Now, this wasn't even our first time tripping,
Speaker 1: like we've done this, I don't know, plenty of times
Speaker 1: before and it's always been an amazing ride. But I
Speaker 1: think that there was a lot of things that were
Speaker 1: really leading up to this that caused And they always
Speaker 1: say there's no such thing as a bad trip. In
Speaker 1: the moment, it felt bad, it felt quite bad, actually,
Speaker 1: But after going through it, I don't know, I feel
Speaker 1: like I've gained a lot. And that's what they say
Speaker 1: usually is whenever you have a quote unquote bad trip,
Speaker 1: that you actually learned the most from them, you know,
Speaker 1: And I can personally say that, you know, just from
Speaker 1: a personal standpoint, especially with this last one. So give
Speaker 1: you guys, a little bit of a rundown here, and
Speaker 1: it's for a reason, that's why we got to say it.
Speaker 1: It's it's actually quite embarrassing on my part, but it
Speaker 1: was actually so we started out Sean not really feeling
Speaker 1: that hot about it. Normally it kicks in faster for me,
Speaker 1: but it kicked in way faster for Sean this time.
Speaker 1: And so he wanted to go outside, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're we're just talking and hanging out and you know,
Speaker 1: calming the vibes a little bit, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: keep ourselves from losing our shit.
Speaker 4: And through it, dude, you did very well actually kind
Speaker 4: of holding my hand through that, you know, just had
Speaker 4: to take a couple of deep breaths and kind of
Speaker 4: try to take it all in.
Speaker 1: Wasn't my first rodeo, so I already knew what that
Speaker 1: feeling was, you know, like, and you know what it's
Speaker 1: like whenever, because you feel like you're getting ready to
Speaker 1: jump off a cliff, like and you ain't got no parachute,
Speaker 1: you know, whenever it first starts coming on. And so anyway,
Speaker 1: we're outside, decide to you know, shoot the shit with
Speaker 1: Sean a little bit. We walk inside, everything's calmed down.
Speaker 1: We start watching some music videos that John's wife put
Speaker 1: on TV. And we're watching it is Michael Jackson thriller
Speaker 1: video because it's nothing but like eighties music. And I
Speaker 1: didn't pick that, but you know, Seohn's wife did and
Speaker 1: it was fine. But the videos are creepy, especially when
Speaker 1: you're chirpping. You you watching fucking Michael Jackson thriller while
Speaker 1: you're chirping balls. It's it's a whole other level, right,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: It's funny too, because like for me, like by that time,
Speaker 4: I was already like feeling pretty chill and like everything
Speaker 4: was just kind of happy vibes, and I was just
Speaker 4: having those thoughts that you wouldn't normally have, like analyzing
Speaker 4: things and almost observing them for the first time, like
Speaker 4: just noticing how weird it is that just the simplest things,
Speaker 4: you know, how we even sit down and watch TV.
Speaker 4: You know, you're just observing people do stuff. And I
Speaker 4: just thought in the moment, it was so weird, you know.
Speaker 4: And like I said before, once those models in your
Speaker 4: mind go away, the things that you kind of learn
Speaker 4: to accept and it's just kind of ingrained into your
Speaker 4: understanding of this reality that goes away, and now you're
Speaker 4: almost seeing things for the first time, like you're not
Speaker 4: really seeing it for the first time, but you're noticing
Speaker 4: things for the first time. And so yeah, I was
Speaker 4: pretty chill at that moment, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: just kind of laughing at certain things, like, oh, look,
Speaker 4: like the funniest thing at that moment anyway, was just
Speaker 4: talking about like the chore graph what is it called,
Speaker 4: the choreographic choreography. Yeah, the guy that you know designs
Speaker 4: the dance and kind of orchestrates it for Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, what an undertaking that would have been
Speaker 4: to be the guy that's like, look, Michael, we're gonna
Speaker 4: dance like this in this video.
Speaker 1: But anyways, yeah, yeah, So it's a good time. We're
Speaker 1: listening to music and everything, and I decided to get
Speaker 1: in my own head, like almost almost tried to forcefully
Speaker 1: make myself trip because it was taken so long to
Speaker 1: come on. I decided, you know, hit that little primer
Speaker 1: on the on the lawnmower and get this fucking party started, right,
Speaker 1: And so I'm almost purposely trying to trip myself up,
Speaker 1: which is a bad idea, and I don't suggest anybody
Speaker 1: to try that. Yeah, yeah, And so I'm like almost
Speaker 1: going into the the mandal brought set of my own
Speaker 1: mind and just digging deeper and deeper and deeper. And
Speaker 1: I got there, and so I told Sean. I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: close your eyes, tell me what you see whenever you
Speaker 1: go in there. You don't have to do it long.
Speaker 1: It was just like a minute.
Speaker 4: And so he did it. It was what you would expect,
Speaker 4: you know, some some spirals in different geometric shapes with
Speaker 4: eyeballs in between everything, which I actually looked into it.
Speaker 4: Maybe we can get into that later, but that was
Speaker 4: pretty much what I saw and was to be expected,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and so I told him to do that
Speaker 1: because I was just doing it and it was starting
Speaker 1: to like mess with me, Like I felt like I
Speaker 1: was already starting to fracture, you know, and in a
Speaker 1: like in not a very good way. And so and
Speaker 1: so anyway, I get up and I go outside, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to walk it off and everything and just
Speaker 1: get a little bit of fresh air, and I'm like
Speaker 1: starting to lose my sense of reality. Like this was
Speaker 1: it was almost as if I just smoked a shitload
Speaker 1: of actual DMT and was going into some other realm
Speaker 1: that I never knew existed. So I'm in there and
Speaker 1: I and I'm like losing my sense of self, like
Speaker 1: like hardcore. I am dissociating like crazy and not in
Speaker 1: a good way, and it's falling from me fast. And
Speaker 1: so I even stumble up against the wall. Sean and
Speaker 1: Loren or Sean and his wife you know, said that
Speaker 1: they had heard me like almost like lose my momentum
Speaker 1: up against the wall and everything, and so I decided
Speaker 1: to come in. And I don't think you went outside there, huh.
Speaker 4: I was on my way over to see what happened,
Speaker 4: because we heard the bang up against the wall, and
Speaker 4: I was like, what was that, you know? So I
Speaker 4: get up and I go back towards the back door,
Speaker 4: and you were right there, like it looked like you
Speaker 4: were about to try to come in, and so I
Speaker 4: opened the door and kind of let you in and
Speaker 4: and then you can take it from here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, So I went in, and I was
Speaker 1: I was really starting to lose it, bro like it
Speaker 1: was I felt like reality itself was was pulling away
Speaker 1: from me, and and I was struggling to even find
Speaker 1: a little step back into it, and so I'm like
Speaker 1: bumbling and stumbling all over the floor and I don't
Speaker 1: get like this whenever I trip Normally, I'm pretty damn
Speaker 1: coherent whenever I'm tripping, actually, and unless it is DMT.
Speaker 1: But this wasn't DMT. No.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're You're usually so coherent coherent that I'm
Speaker 4: just trying to keep up with your race car of
Speaker 4: a mind coming up with just the craziest thoughts and
Speaker 4: ways of looking at things, you know, So this was
Speaker 4: very different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was a lot. So I come in, I'm stumbling
Speaker 1: kind of across, and I just wanted to go, and like,
Speaker 1: I felt like I had to throw up. So I
Speaker 1: went over to the kitchen and I started to lean
Speaker 1: over and I was getting ready to like throw up
Speaker 1: into the trash can. I was just feeling that shitty
Speaker 1: and uh, and I wasn't feeling very well. And you know,
Speaker 1: Sean was starting to trip and he was starting to
Speaker 1: worry about me and everything. Thank you, and and yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like are you okay? Are you all right?
Speaker 1: My body started to go limp, my face was starting
Speaker 1: to droop, according to Sean, who was also chirping at
Speaker 1: this time.
Speaker 4: Who knows, you know, to what effect your face was
Speaker 4: actually drooping, But to me, dude, it I got you
Speaker 4: away from the trash can. I was trying to take
Speaker 4: you over to the restroom because I just felt like
Speaker 4: something was off, dude, Like, this is not how you
Speaker 4: normally are during this type of experience, you know. And
Speaker 4: I looked over at my wife and I was like,
Speaker 4: is he okay? You know, because she's in the medical
Speaker 4: field and she knows way more than I do when
Speaker 4: it comes to, you know, noticing the things that the
Speaker 4: human body is doing to look let you know that,
Speaker 4: like something isn't right. And we were getting closer to
Speaker 4: the restroom, and I was looking at you man, and
Speaker 4: and you know, and maybe this is what you know,
Speaker 4: what it's all about when it comes to like when
Speaker 4: you have a shaman, you know, because I've heard that
Speaker 4: shaman's actually will trip with you, and I feel like
Speaker 4: they will see things that you wouldn't normally see, like
Speaker 4: if you were just sober and kind of you know,
Speaker 4: cool minded or whatever. But I felt like when I
Speaker 4: looked at your face, it was kind of it looked droopy,
Speaker 4: you know, in your mouth, the way that it looked
Speaker 4: and everything else was just like you weren't here, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like you were here, like you
Speaker 4: were trying to be And that's what was even scarier.
Speaker 4: I'll hang it on all and like the tony of
Speaker 4: your voice and the look on your face was like
Speaker 4: you were trying to hold on to this place and
Speaker 4: you were going fast. Well it was.
Speaker 1: It was scary, dude, you know. And I was. I was,
Speaker 1: legit having like a full on inner world panic attack.
Speaker 1: It was the most fear I have ever felt my
Speaker 1: entire life. So it was literally crippling fear. Like I'm
Speaker 1: not even exaggerating, like I legit, I was so fucking scared, dude.
Speaker 1: Like it was the most scared I've ever been in
Speaker 1: my life. And I can't imagine anybody else having to
Speaker 1: handle that. Maybe other people, I'm sure other people have
Speaker 1: felt that kind of fear, but for me, that was
Speaker 1: the most I've ever felt, and it was continuous. It
Speaker 1: was something that I couldn't even talk myself out of.
Speaker 1: There was no amount of like love and light that
Speaker 1: I could have said. I couldn't have sat down and meditated,
Speaker 1: because whenever I was sitting down and meditated, I was
Speaker 1: still tripping. I was actually tripping even harder, and there
Speaker 1: was just no getting out of it. And so in
Speaker 1: my mind, what was causing such a destruction inside of
Speaker 1: my mind is that I was really starting to lose
Speaker 1: all sense of this reality. And even more so, I
Speaker 1: was understanding that this reality, at least in that moment,
Speaker 1: that this reality was barely even a dream like it
Speaker 1: like it was gone, like it was done, like this
Speaker 1: reality not even just for me. But it was almost
Speaker 1: like I was able to see behind the screen that
Speaker 1: the simulation is played on in so much of a way, right,
Speaker 1: And it was I couldn't understand what I was seeing,
Speaker 1: and it was causing such immense fear. And all I
Speaker 1: kept on seeing was is that I was seeing, like imagine,
Speaker 1: all of reality, all of the reality that you see
Speaker 1: on just a flat piece of glass, maybe even a mirror, right.
Speaker 1: And as I'm looking at that, it starts to splinter,
Speaker 1: and then it starts to break, and all the pieces
Speaker 1: are mixing up and everything, and I'm on every single
Speaker 1: one of those splintered shards of mirror, and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to work it all back together, but I'm losing it,
Speaker 1: and and my my perception kept on going from I
Speaker 1: was every piece of glass, and then I was just
Speaker 1: a tiny piece of glass, and then maybe I was
Speaker 1: three pieces of glass, and then I was the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and then it was just fucking with me hard, like
Speaker 1: every single bit of my reality was crumbling. And it
Speaker 1: was scary, dude, So and I and and it was
Speaker 1: hard enough to deal with that in my own mind
Speaker 1: that I couldn't even put it into place in the
Speaker 1: outer world, which is why I was. I was starting.
Speaker 1: I was going pale in the face. My fucking face
Speaker 1: was drooping a cord. And Seawan, like I said, and
Speaker 1: I could barely walk, like my I couldn't even get
Speaker 1: my legs under me. It was like I was a
Speaker 1: baby learning to walk. And I was scared, and I
Speaker 1: was like tearing up right, And so Sean asked if
Speaker 1: I wanted to go in the bathroom and like have
Speaker 1: some water run on me. I was like, yes, let's
Speaker 1: do that. And so we go in and at first
Speaker 1: he puts the water a little hot. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: turn it down a little bit.
Speaker 4: I was hamming, dude. I just put the water on.
Speaker 4: I didn't even think too like adjust the temperature, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, and in that moment, that felt good that Sean
Speaker 1: knew that I was at least semi coherent, that I
Speaker 1: said that the water was too hot. And so I'm
Speaker 1: in there for a little while and I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm breaking and everything. I'm not gonna make this too long,
Speaker 1: but I felt like I was breaking it a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I got out of the shower after a little
Speaker 1: while and when to go lay down on the couch,
Speaker 1: and it was still my reality was warping and bending
Speaker 1: and breaking, and I was seeing other realities, ones that
Speaker 1: I did not prefer. It was just absolute chaos. There
Speaker 1: was no order to it, and it scared the ever
Speaker 1: living fuck out of me. And I kept on seeing
Speaker 1: like weird lights behind the mirror of the glow, which
Speaker 1: so strange. I still don't know what that is. And
Speaker 1: and so I'm laying there and he put on like
Speaker 1: some car show. Was it called John.
Speaker 4: It's a vicecript grudge, just some dude. He goes and
Speaker 4: finds old cars and fixes him up. And it's just
Speaker 4: him on camera by himself, just thinking out loud what
Speaker 4: he's gonna do next. And he's outside, so he's in nature,
Speaker 4: and I was like, this is some you know, down
Speaker 4: to earth type of shit that we need right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was perfect. I needed some semblance of human.
Speaker 1: Like all I wanted was just to be a human again,
Speaker 1: as weird of a thought that is, like for some
Speaker 1: reason I thought that I wasn't a human anymore and
Speaker 1: that that part of being a human was gone, that
Speaker 1: I was never going to come back to this reality never,
Speaker 1: at least not at least the same way. And because
Speaker 1: it really fools you. It really fools you while you're
Speaker 1: in there, Like you you might go in there and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I've done this a thousand times. It
Speaker 1: don't matter how many fucking times you've done it. You'll
Speaker 1: get there, and it will convince you that your world
Speaker 1: is ending, like like, no joke, Like it is full
Speaker 1: on convincing you. There is there's nothing that, nothing more
Speaker 1: that it could do to convince you otherwise. It's it's
Speaker 1: every single every single cell in your body, every piece
Speaker 1: of conscious that you're aware of, it is convinced that
Speaker 1: you are going into another world and you're never coming back.
Speaker 1: It's like, hell, maybe.
Speaker 4: No, I think you you definitely created your own hell
Speaker 4: and that in that experience, you know, because before we
Speaker 4: even had that experience. Earlier that day, we were talking
Speaker 4: and you had mentioned something about like your your biggest fear,
Speaker 4: you know, would be that you didn't know anything Like
Speaker 4: that was you want to know as much as you
Speaker 4: can so that you can't ever you can never feel
Speaker 4: like you just don't know anything. And then you have
Speaker 4: an experience where nothing is identifiable, and you even see
Speaker 4: things that you even felt like you shouldn't have seen,
Speaker 4: like things that you've probably blocked from your memory because
Speaker 4: it's thinks so horrible that nobody should see that. And
Speaker 4: so you definitely created your worst fear for you. It
Speaker 4: sounds like, yes, like your marine was like, oh, this
Speaker 4: is what you're afraid of, let me put you through that,
Speaker 4: so that way, your worst fear has been experienced already.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I and I had talked before about
Speaker 1: how the void was the scariest thing that I thought
Speaker 1: that anybody could ever experience. This was worse. So and
Speaker 1: that's not even like recency biased, like I'm comparing the
Speaker 1: two because it's all I do is think about this
Speaker 1: shit and and yeah, it sucked. So anyway, I'm laying
Speaker 1: there on the couch and I finally am starting to
Speaker 1: come back it's taken me a little while, but I
Speaker 1: knew that I was going to be in it for
Speaker 1: a while, because I mean, typically that psychedelic last for
Speaker 1: about anywhere from three to four hours, and I was
Speaker 1: I started feeling like that literally half an hour in,
Speaker 1: so I knew that I had at least three more
Speaker 1: hours to go, which scared the ever living shit out
Speaker 1: of me, because there I was like, there's no way
Speaker 1: I can handle this for this long. It was too
Speaker 1: much stress. It was too much anxiety, like it was
Speaker 1: it was a panic attack for three plus hours. Like
Speaker 1: internally now, I'm not like freaking out and I'm not
Speaker 1: screaming or anything like that. I can I can handle
Speaker 1: it in house, but barely, right, And and so Sean
Speaker 1: decides to put that show on. I'm trying to come
Speaker 1: back to this reality, and I'm trying to like keep
Speaker 1: my eyes open and keep my eyes from from closing
Speaker 1: at this point, because every time I close my eyes,
Speaker 1: I see that fucking upside down world to where chaos rules, right,
Speaker 1: And so I'm trying to keep my eyes open. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to keep them peeled onto this TV. And it's
Speaker 1: just this random, like normal, fucking You're like he's a
Speaker 1: man's man type of guy that is working on cars, right,
Speaker 1: the most normal shit you can ever watch, and just
Speaker 1: these tiny little things that he would say, and it
Speaker 1: would every time I would laugh, I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get it back because I you couldn't
Speaker 1: have pried to laugh out of me in that moment,
Speaker 1: you know. And so and after a while, I'm finally
Speaker 1: I'm finally fully back and I'm scared, and Sean is
Speaker 1: wanting John goes, dude, are you okay? And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'm back now, and Sean's like, dude, let
Speaker 1: me tell you. I want to talk to you about this.
Speaker 1: And this was I was like, dude, I'm I'm back,
Speaker 1: but i can't talk about it right now because I'm
Speaker 1: I'm fresh out of it, Like I'm I'm literally not
Speaker 1: stable enough to have this conversation. And I wanted to be.
Speaker 1: It was just that I was what I just went
Speaker 1: through was the most traumatizing shit of my life.
Speaker 4: Oh same here, and I mean obviously in a different way,
Speaker 4: but definitely went through something very because in my reality
Speaker 4: at that time, dude, while you were going through that,
Speaker 4: because of course I don't know exactly what you're experiencing.
Speaker 4: There's no way for me to know exactly what you
Speaker 4: were going through, but I just know that you were
Speaker 4: going through something bad. But in my experience of that, dude,
Speaker 4: was like you were about to dip out, you know.
Speaker 4: And so like in my reality, man, I was having
Speaker 4: so many understandings and like just this unbelievable boost of
Speaker 4: empathy and compassion for not even just your life, but
Speaker 4: everyone's life, dude. And I was just thinking, like, man,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want anybody to experience that, you know. And
Speaker 4: sure we're all going to experience losing a loved one
Speaker 4: and people have, you know. And so then I started
Speaker 4: to think about that, like the people that have lost people,
Speaker 4: and and I mean I've lost I lost my step dad,
Speaker 4: and I know and I understand how much that can
Speaker 4: change your reality, you know. And so but yeah, just
Speaker 4: the amount of empathy and compassion that I was experiencing
Speaker 4: and just gratefulness for the people around me, dude, was
Speaker 4: just unmatched, you know. So yeah, we went through the
Speaker 4: shadow to get there, man, But I mean, I wouldn't
Speaker 4: want to undo that. I wouldn't want to not have
Speaker 4: that experience. But man, when it was happening. Man, it
Speaker 4: was the just my worst nightmare, you know, Like I'm
Speaker 4: not afraid to die. I'm afraid of people missing me
Speaker 4: when I'm gone. I'm afraid of other people around me going,
Speaker 4: you know. But that was just the biggest piece of
Speaker 4: humble pie you can get, dude.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, straight up. It was. It was fucked up, man,
Speaker 1: like it was. That's that's the only thing I can say.
Speaker 1: It was just fucked up. And it like it was
Speaker 1: too far, you know, like you would expect, like God,
Speaker 1: the universe, source, your your spirit, guides your angels, whatever
Speaker 1: is following you around, whatever you believe in. It's like, dude,
Speaker 1: come me some fucking slack. I'm still a human, you know.
Speaker 1: I can't handle all that shit. And and it was
Speaker 1: crazy because you know, I'm I'm the kind of guy
Speaker 1: I like to keep on pushing it. I want to
Speaker 1: push it and push it and push it. I want
Speaker 1: to see how far I can go. And I don't, necessarily,
Speaker 1: you know, normally know my limits. And and it wasn't
Speaker 1: like I overdid it. We did a normal amount, the
Speaker 1: same amount that we do every single time, and it's
Speaker 1: from the same batch that we've done every single time.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't the actual psychedelic itself. It was a
Speaker 1: bunch of things that were kind of leading up to
Speaker 1: this and and and we didn't even know that these
Speaker 1: things would have an effect until afterward, ironically, and then
Speaker 1: it made sense. So yeah, it was. It was pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: I dude, I ended up crying to Sean Like it
Speaker 1: was a full on, like emotional bro night. Like it
Speaker 1: was like as gay as that sounds, but like it was.
Speaker 1: It was one of those nights where I was just
Speaker 1: spilling it all out to him and he was, you know,
Speaker 1: spilling it all out to me, and it was just
Speaker 1: I fucking love this guy and so always there for me. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I hope that what I'm not even gonna go
Speaker 1: there if I die, I hope to be Shawn spirit guide.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to be in my in my
Speaker 1: next life.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that. Shit, I'd appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, be
Speaker 4: quiet for a second, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 4: let me think this out real quick.
Speaker 1: What are all these downloads I'm getting right? But yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was. It was a very emotional night. We
Speaker 1: got we got over it. We're fine. We need a
Speaker 1: little bit of time to get over that, because I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I was seeing shadows for a little bit.
Speaker 1: And if it wasn't for me going through the whole
Speaker 1: void process the first time in like a year ago,
Speaker 1: whenever it was, I think that this dude, like I
Speaker 1: can't even go into the depths of how emotionally scarring
Speaker 1: that was. Like it was so fucked up. Anyway, So
Speaker 1: we got over it. We're fine. In the next day,
Speaker 1: we're having this conversation in case you guys had listened
Speaker 1: to the or was it the next air day after
Speaker 1: something like that, and we're having this conversation with the
Speaker 1: witch from Salem and she's really into like divination and
Speaker 1: astrology and all this typical witch things, except she was
Speaker 1: from Salem. So we're like, okay, we maybe we got
Speaker 1: an actual one, right, Not that all the other witches
Speaker 1: aren't actual witches. It's just like it's cool, you know.
Speaker 1: It's almost like if you were to meet a leprechaun
Speaker 1: in Indiana, you'd be like, Okay, that's cool, But you
Speaker 1: meet one from fucking Ireland, You're like, I got one
Speaker 1: from fucking Ireland, you know. Yeah, And so it was
Speaker 1: cool having that conversation with her, and she goes, well,
Speaker 1: you know, actually this whole week, Mercury's in retrograde. We're like, oh,
Speaker 1: how ironic is that. The next day, I'm having a
Speaker 1: conversation with electro Nick and he's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: was telling him like what happened before that day because
Speaker 1: he was trying to figure out what was going on.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, the past couple of days I've
Speaker 1: been working on getting my tattooed on. It's like this
Speaker 1: half sleeve, right, and the Shawn's been doing it, and
Speaker 1: and he goes, dude, that's why it's because you were
Speaker 1: I mean, your body was in like in insane stress
Speaker 1: and it's like producing this court this cortisol, and it's
Speaker 1: bringing you to the fight or flight kind of mentality.
Speaker 1: Your body's already in that in that mode and dude,
Speaker 1: and then I decided to trip like an hour after
Speaker 1: we were done tattooing, which I didn't know, like, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe dehydration. Sure, you know, because your body is doing
Speaker 1: what it does whenever it's getting innked up. But I
Speaker 1: didn't know that my body was would be in such
Speaker 1: disarray to where it would affect how I would receive,
Speaker 1: said psychedelic. Didn't know it was going to go that far.
Speaker 4: Now, you know, I did mention it, but it was
Speaker 4: in my mind. I was just thinking, like, oh, maybe
Speaker 4: you don't want to feel sore like while you're in
Speaker 4: that headspace. You don't want to be looking at it
Speaker 4: and feeling that that sunburned sensation you know that you have,
Speaker 4: and it kind of just like mess with you a
Speaker 4: little bit. I had no idea that it would go
Speaker 4: that far into your experience, and so had I known,
Speaker 4: I think I would have made it a little more
Speaker 4: urgent and been like, hey, dude, let's wait a minute,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, or let's do the tattoo tomorrow.
Speaker 4: But I had no idea. I didn't know what I
Speaker 4: didn't know, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, yeah, dude, Ben said I had similar a
Speaker 1: similar experience a while back on mushrooms. I think I
Speaker 1: almost lost the marbles. Glad you made it back. That's
Speaker 1: the perfect way of saying it. I legit almost lost
Speaker 1: my marbles, Like I think, dude, if I would have
Speaker 1: had to stay in that fucking hell hole for longer
Speaker 1: than I did, you'd had to either put me in
Speaker 1: a padded room or I would have just jumped off
Speaker 1: a building like it was that level, dude. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I think it's gonna be I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a little while into a terrip again.
Speaker 4: Yeah No, I mean I don't even think I'm gonna
Speaker 4: trip again, to be honest with you, I mean, unless
Speaker 4: something crazy happens and I feel like that's what I need.
Speaker 4: But you know, like they say, you know, it'll come
Speaker 4: to you. You know, the timing will be right and
Speaker 4: for you to have that experience. But like, as far
Speaker 4: as I am concerned right now, dude, I'm I'm good, dude.
Speaker 4: I got a lot of downloads and understandings, Like for
Speaker 4: for a minute.
Speaker 1: You won't see me planning to do it again. I'll
Speaker 1: say that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And that being said, you know, I wouldn't even
Speaker 4: say that it is for everybody. You know, some people
Speaker 4: are like really fucking happy with how the reality is going.
Speaker 4: And I wouldn't say, hey, you should probably do mushrooms
Speaker 4: or you should probably do DMT. It's like, you know,
Speaker 4: the people that are going to do it already have
Speaker 4: it in their mind that they're going to do it,
Speaker 4: but I going forward, just having that experience is not
Speaker 4: something I would want to push on anybody, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, because that, my god, dude, what a
Speaker 4: lesson that we got.
Speaker 1: And it's not to say that every time, every time
Speaker 1: somebody trips, that that's what you experience, but you open
Speaker 1: up the bag of possible abilities for that to happen
Speaker 1: when you whenever you do trip, and you never know,
Speaker 1: like some people just are are almost unaware of what
Speaker 1: they're going through in their life. Maybe you know, they
Speaker 1: haven't done the shadow work or or whatever. Right like,
Speaker 1: there's always some shit where we're kind of always dealing
Speaker 1: with in the back of our mind. And you know,
Speaker 1: me personally, I'm I'm kind of like in this transitory
Speaker 1: stage of you know, I'm I'm getting ready to buy
Speaker 1: a house, so I'm staying at my parents' guest house
Speaker 1: right now and a whole other state from my kids.
Speaker 1: And it was already hard and in the middle of
Speaker 1: splitting from the cult of conspiracy and putting everything here
Speaker 1: together with Meta and there's just so many things that
Speaker 1: are up, and I guess it was too much. You know,
Speaker 1: I needed some some form of stability, because even in
Speaker 1: that trip, I kept on thinking, dude, I have nothing
Speaker 1: stable in my life right now like it was. And
Speaker 1: that was really fucking me up because.
Speaker 4: That trip then you know, everything kind of just being
Speaker 4: fracktled and kind of at a in a disarray.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I was, dude, all I was just trying
Speaker 1: to find some form of stabilization, some form of foundation
Speaker 1: at all. Couldn't find it. I just kept on falling falling, falling, falling,
Speaker 1: and it was just more fucked and more fucked and
Speaker 1: more fucked every every couple of minutes, and and it
Speaker 1: was just so scary. But anyway, Yeah, so lesson learned.
Speaker 1: Don't do psychedelics when mercury is in retrograde, and don't
Speaker 1: do psychedelics moments after you're done getting a tattoo. Wait
Speaker 1: a couple of days, you know, because it takes a
Speaker 1: little while for your like your hormones and your chemicals
Speaker 1: and all that shit to balance back out.
Speaker 4: Again, right and as you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like imagine like the amount of ink that we did.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, like legit, I think we put in
Speaker 1: I want to say, like ten twelve hours worth of
Speaker 1: tattooing in three days altogether. Yeah, altogether crazy.
Speaker 4: I you know, here I am thinking like, man, this
Speaker 4: has got heard after this many hours, you know, like,
Speaker 4: I've never tattooed that much blacking, you know, all at
Speaker 4: once before. So that was definitely a that was definitely
Speaker 4: a chore. Dude, I had no idea, but but yeah,
Speaker 4: and here I am thinking like, oh, this is a
Speaker 4: lot of pain. This is a lot of pain, you know,
Speaker 4: being an impath. Here I am stabbing you with needles
Speaker 4: for hours straight, you know, and so but yeah, man,
Speaker 4: it was. It was definitely a trip.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: I'm glad we got through it. And sometimes the lessons
Speaker 4: are just a little more uncomfortable than others.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can handle the physical pain, you know, I
Speaker 1: played sports my whole life. I'm I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 1: used to dealing with all the physical ailments and shit
Speaker 1: like that. But like mental pain is that's the hardest
Speaker 1: shit ever. Yeah, Like almost imagine getting into a car
Speaker 1: crash and then doing mushrooms an hour later. That probably
Speaker 1: fuck with your mind a little bit, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not going to a nice place, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all, not at all. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we kind of want to just lay it out there
Speaker 1: and and say, you know, look, we kind of broke
Speaker 1: through the other side of the matrix and on the
Speaker 1: other side, only metamistics is around, you know, So that's
Speaker 1: kind of symbolic in that sense. But yeah, it because
Speaker 1: those things whenever you go through something like that, you
Speaker 1: really try, like I said, you're trying to find some
Speaker 1: form of foundation in your mind to stabilize you a
Speaker 1: little bit. And so I'm going through all the things
Speaker 1: that like, all the things that are changing, all the
Speaker 1: things that I want to change, all the things that
Speaker 1: I don't want to change, and it's like it's like
Speaker 1: a it's almost like my mind decided to play fifty
Speaker 1: two pickup and I'm just trying to pick out the
Speaker 1: cards that I want, you know, and trying to these
Speaker 1: are the things that I want to keep, These are
Speaker 1: the things that I want to let go of, right,
Speaker 1: and these are the things the most important, These are
Speaker 1: the things that I you know, it just trying to
Speaker 1: order them a little bit. And so in my mind,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really just trying to figure out what
Speaker 1: I wanted. And I will say that with that amount
Speaker 1: of fear, I see why people settle, like one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: whether you're settling out a job, or you're settling with
Speaker 1: a significant other or you're settling with whatever you settle
Speaker 1: with that like you know you deserve more, or you
Speaker 1: think you deserve more, you think that you could get
Speaker 1: a little bit more out of life, but there's always
Speaker 1: something that is holding you back from whatever whatever it
Speaker 1: is right. And in that moment, I wanted all of
Speaker 1: my original shit back because I was like, dude, that
Speaker 1: I just fucked something up. I need to take one
Speaker 1: hundred steps back and try and figure out where to
Speaker 1: move forward with my life. And because in that moment,
Speaker 1: it's a moment of weakness, you know, and in that
Speaker 1: moment of weakness, all you're looking forward, are you're looking
Speaker 1: for is just something you can grab on. Like it's
Speaker 1: like fucking Chris Farley, hold.
Speaker 4: On, little twig, please be strong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please be strong, little root. Yeah, that's what it
Speaker 1: feels like. And so you're just grabbing and grabbing and grabbing.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I was like, nope, I'm not reverting. I
Speaker 1: already chose to put my life this way. And I
Speaker 1: know this is a personal thing and nobody really gives
Speaker 1: a fuck to hear about this kind of stuff, but
Speaker 1: it is what it is. And so yeah, moving forward,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about some really insane shit, and
Speaker 1: so this was kind of like kind of like the
Speaker 1: glue in between episodes. We we couldn't shoot this past
Speaker 1: Wednesday because Sean and I were still kind of reeling,
Speaker 1: weren't really necessarily ready. Plus we wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: that we were comfortably able to talk about our experience
Speaker 1: whenever we want, whenever we were ready, because there was
Speaker 1: a couple of days after that we didn't we couldn't
Speaker 1: talk about it, Like it had to be like at
Speaker 1: least two days until we started talking about the whole experience.
Speaker 1: And I know what you're thinking, Like, for anybody that
Speaker 1: hasn't experienced this, you're like, dude, they tried psychedelics, you know,
Speaker 1: they they lost their shit, you know whatever. It scared
Speaker 1: them a little bit, No, dude, Like imagine a thousand
Speaker 1: nightmares every second for three hours. That's like the best
Speaker 1: way I can put it.
Speaker 4: There was there was days after that that every once
Speaker 4: in a while, through just throughout the day, dude, because
Speaker 4: I would kind of reloop that in my mind, like
Speaker 4: just that whole experience and that thought process and how
Speaker 4: just awfully terrifying that was, and I would just kind
Speaker 4: of replay that in my mind, and I would have
Speaker 4: to just kind of stop what I was doing and
Speaker 4: just go and just breathe it out, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like it was that heavy where I had
Speaker 4: to kind of pull myself back out of that experience,
Speaker 4: you know, from from just looping it round and round
Speaker 4: and round. And and I wonder why that is. You know,
Speaker 4: we do that all the time when it comes to
Speaker 4: bad experiences or things were stressed out about, or things
Speaker 4: were not looking forward to, or or you know, making
Speaker 4: up scenarios in our mind with our imagination of how
Speaker 4: poorly something can go, you know, and we'll just kind
Speaker 4: of loop that around. And maybe that is part of
Speaker 4: the survival mechanism within our mind. Know, it's almost like
Speaker 4: a preparation or a you know, I don't know exactly
Speaker 4: what's going on with that, but man, I just kept
Speaker 4: looping that around, and for barely just the last two
Speaker 4: or three days, I think maybe I've been able to
Speaker 4: just kind of leave that where it is now and
Speaker 4: like I got everything that I can get from that,
Speaker 4: and now I'm just kind of moving forward. But I mean,
Speaker 4: even just read talking about it tonight, you know, has
Speaker 4: kind of made me. It kind of put me back
Speaker 4: into that that that experience, you know, and it kind
Speaker 4: of gave me the like this nervousness within my within
Speaker 4: my body, you know, just kind of recovering that. And uh, man,
Speaker 4: I'm glad that's something that we don't have to go
Speaker 4: through again for sure, man, because that was that was
Speaker 4: a nightmare man, big time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was fucked up, man, Like I
Speaker 1: can't imagine anything worse than that, like not in the mind,
Speaker 1: like I'm talking about of the mind. You know, obviously
Speaker 1: terrible things can happen in physical reality, but like in
Speaker 1: the mind it was. It was full one hundred percent
Speaker 1: fear and anguish and shit your pants and that's all
Speaker 1: it was. Like it was. It was fucking horrifying and
Speaker 1: I dude, and it let me just to give you
Speaker 1: an idea, it was so scary that in the moment,
Speaker 1: I knew that once this trip was done, I knew
Speaker 1: that I was going to actively try to forget about it.
Speaker 1: Like it was that fucking fucked and like and so
Speaker 1: even the the a couple of days after that, Sean
Speaker 1: was asking, you know, what were you seeing? And I
Speaker 1: was able to remember a little bit, but like I
Speaker 1: legit forgot most of it, like if you ever had,
Speaker 1: Like you know, they say we dream every night. Whether
Speaker 1: you believe that or not, I don't even know. I
Speaker 1: think you do, but they say you dream every night.
Speaker 1: And most of the time, you don't really remember your
Speaker 1: dream unless you're somebody who keeps a dream journal and
Speaker 1: you're really good at dream recall and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: most of your dreams you don't really remember, at least
Speaker 1: once a couple of days or a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: a couple of months goes by, right like, unless you
Speaker 1: have documented you don't remember what your dream was back
Speaker 1: in June, right like, you just don't remember it. It
Speaker 1: was it was like that, like I knew that it
Speaker 1: was going to be so stuck in my mind because
Speaker 1: my mind was legit fractured, and I knew that it
Speaker 1: was going to fuck with me so bad that I
Speaker 1: purposely tried to forget it. And it's so crazy that,
Speaker 1: like I legit forgot most of it, which is a
Speaker 1: great thing. It's actually a blessing. Like I'm happy that
Speaker 1: I forgot most of it because there were certain insights
Speaker 1: that I was getting to where I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like we're so fucked, like and I was
Speaker 1: looking at it like us, as in, like people of
Speaker 1: this world, people love this matrix, people of the simulation. However,
Speaker 1: you want to look at it like people of this dream.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, we are so fucked. We don't
Speaker 1: even know it. We're like rats in a cage, like
Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do from here. Like they're almost
Speaker 1: like dangling fake fake reality in front of our in
Speaker 1: front of our faces, almost like as a oh you
Speaker 1: want reality, you think you'd deserve this reality?
Speaker 4: Fuck you?
Speaker 1: All right. It was kind of like one of those things,
Speaker 1: and it was scaring me, dude, because in my mind
Speaker 1: I was like, and I didn't see any characters. It
Speaker 1: was almost like I was communicating with my environment, you know.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I didn't see any humanoids or anything
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: I remember you saying, like, I wish I would have
Speaker 4: seen somebody in there, you know, and then you would
Speaker 4: have at least had something recognizable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I wish that I could have seen somebody
Speaker 1: with two arms and two legs and a head like
Speaker 1: I would. I wish that I would have seen a
Speaker 1: fucking octopus or a unicorn or a monkey or something
Speaker 1: in there. It just didn't happen, but which you know,
Speaker 1: because in my mind, every single part of reality was
Speaker 1: so fractured that there's no way that a full body
Speaker 1: of anything could exist in there.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it was usually very fascinating, you know. You know,
Speaker 4: speaking of being the scariest thing we've ever experienced, you
Speaker 4: would think that a guide or an entity or a
Speaker 4: god or something would have showed up. Yeah, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. I mean, if I was a god
Speaker 4: and I had my creation and some fraction of my
Speaker 4: creation is in the worst fear possible, I would want
Speaker 4: to give them comfort or do something to help, I
Speaker 4: would think, you know, but it just felt like it
Speaker 4: was just you and me in there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was. It was totally hopeless, and I
Speaker 1: you know what, And at the time I was I
Speaker 1: was kind of resenting, you know, whoever is on the
Speaker 1: other side that is not here to help me, fuck you. You know.
Speaker 1: It was almost like I was almost like full of resentment.
Speaker 1: But after a while, like you know, I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, a couple of days go
Speaker 1: by and everything, I'm like, dude, you know, sometimes you
Speaker 1: gotta take the training wheels off, you know, like eventually
Speaker 1: you got to throw the kid in the pool without
Speaker 1: the floaties, and I feel like that's what that was,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: And your power back, you know talk when people say,
Speaker 4: like we've even said it, you know what I mean, like,
Speaker 4: you've got to take your own power back. You gotta
Speaker 4: be cause you are the captain, right, You're the one
Speaker 4: kind of creating what you experience and kind of how
Speaker 4: you experience it. And it was like that was just
Speaker 4: exactly what we needed at that time. But it was
Speaker 4: definitely obvious that that was the case, at least in
Speaker 4: that experience. I'm not gonna sit here and say that
Speaker 4: none of those things exist for sure, but in that experience,
Speaker 4: I didn't experience that.
Speaker 1: You know, it was almost like it. I almost kind
Speaker 1: of felt like fucking multi dimensional warfare. That's the only
Speaker 1: I can't even think of anything else. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: was pretty crazy. Ben said, totally get it. Thank you
Speaker 1: for sharing in depth. Listening to you alluding to this
Speaker 1: on the cult, I've been interested to hear the details. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy, dude, And I'm sure that there are
Speaker 1: parts that I'm leaving out, but I don't I don't
Speaker 1: want to leave out just Sean like Sean's role in
Speaker 1: that because he's saying that it was our like our
Speaker 1: worst night, And yes, that's what I was going through
Speaker 1: in my own mind, but what I was experiencing in
Speaker 1: my in my own inner world, Sean was experiencing in
Speaker 1: the outer world by trying to take care of me.
Speaker 1: He legit thought I was gonna die, and and to
Speaker 1: be honest, that's he's not going too far and thinking
Speaker 1: that I thought I was gonna die, like I legit,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I mean, how does somebody die
Speaker 1: on psychedelics and probably never heard of it before, but
Speaker 1: I would imagine if somebody was to ever die, it's
Speaker 1: because they gave themselves a fucking heart attack. And that's
Speaker 1: what it felt like like. I thought that, like my
Speaker 1: brain was going to be fried, my heart was going
Speaker 1: to explode, and every bit of con like I legit had,
Speaker 1: I if I had to try and put a percentage
Speaker 1: on it, it felt like I had one percent of
Speaker 1: consciousness left over in my body.
Speaker 4: What it looked like, it felt like it.
Speaker 1: It looked like it. And Sean's fucking you know, he
Speaker 1: is losing it, and and you know, at the time
Speaker 1: he was kind of scaring me with it because I
Speaker 1: was like, damn, am I really this fucked?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And but to be honest, if Sean wouldn't have reacted
Speaker 1: that way, what if he didn't put me in the
Speaker 1: shower to shock me back, you know, what if he
Speaker 1: wasn't there and comforting and and even afterward, after the
Speaker 1: trip was all done, you know, he was getting ready
Speaker 1: to go to bed because his wife was getting ready
Speaker 1: to go to bed. I was like, Sean, please, can
Speaker 1: you just like hang out with me for a couple hours, dude,
Speaker 1: and like you don't even have to say anything, Let's
Speaker 1: just watch TV together. I just I can't be alone
Speaker 1: right now. Sean was a fucking angel in that moment.
Speaker 1: Just everybody knows, like Sean's a real one. He is.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: He was like my fucking he was my angel for
Speaker 1: that night, my spirit guide for that night, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it. I don't know what that would
Speaker 1: have looked like without him not saying that, I would
Speaker 1: have died.
Speaker 4: Not saying that, I wouldn't have not probably, you know,
Speaker 4: And the more I think about it, you know, uh,
Speaker 4: who knows, maybe you never were going to But the
Speaker 4: experience I was having was that you were you know,
Speaker 4: and so man, me just sitting there and after I
Speaker 4: thought you were feeling better, you know, you were laying
Speaker 4: there and I was like, man, I really want to
Speaker 4: talk about some of this because I felt like I
Speaker 4: needed to because I was just sitting there the whole time.
Speaker 4: We weren't really talking, so I was just kind of
Speaker 4: sitting there just one I was feeling grateful that you
Speaker 4: were fl better and that you were, you know, uh,
Speaker 4: at least consciously aware of what's going on. So I
Speaker 4: felt like, Okay, everything's okay, He's gonna be fine, you know.
Speaker 4: But there was still times where I would like look
Speaker 4: over and like if your eyes were shut, I'd just
Speaker 4: like look and make sure. Like dude, I was like, still,
Speaker 4: of course I'm tripping, you know, what do you expect?
Speaker 4: You know? But so I wouldn't even say that I
Speaker 4: like saved your life or anything like that, but it
Speaker 4: definitely I definitely had the experience that you were going
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and like you being someone that,
Speaker 4: you know, the way that you think about stuff in
Speaker 4: your mind is so quick to come to certain understandings
Speaker 4: and be able to actually express it, you know, out
Speaker 4: loud and in front of people, and just you're you're
Speaker 4: you're quick with it, you know, and so to see
Speaker 4: you in in just the opposite of that was very
Speaker 4: scary for me, you know. And so but yeah, definitely
Speaker 4: the experience of that, whether regardless if that's what was
Speaker 4: going to happen with me or without me there, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. But yeah, just sitting there kind
Speaker 4: of quiet, thinking about everything and just kind of trying
Speaker 4: to process what just happened. And then man, that was
Speaker 4: what a fucking nightmare, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was uh, that's the only
Speaker 1: word that you can use for it. It was a nightmare, dude.
Speaker 1: It was a nightmare full on. And even to be honest,
Speaker 1: after Sean went to sleep, I still stayed up. I
Speaker 1: think he went to sleep at four. I ended up
Speaker 1: going to sleep at like six in the morning. And
Speaker 1: because I was, like, I was scared to fall asleep.
Speaker 1: If you ever had a nightmare, like you're not trying
Speaker 1: to go right back to sleep if you wake up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you want to try
Speaker 1: and wait that bad boy out, reset the algorithm. Hopefully
Speaker 1: you go into a dream or something. Maybe you just
Speaker 1: don't even have any dreams at all, you just see
Speaker 1: nothing that would be far better than just having another
Speaker 1: nightmare or going back into the same nightmare I've had.
Speaker 1: You ever, you ever had that happen before, where you
Speaker 1: have a nightmare and you're like, try and stay up
Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes, and then you fall asleep
Speaker 1: and you go back into the nightmare. It's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, come on, meanwhile, you can't.
Speaker 4: The good dreams you can go back into. It's only
Speaker 4: the bad ones.
Speaker 1: Hey, God forbid. Like I'm getting down with Jessica Alba
Speaker 1: or something like that, and I wake up and and
Speaker 1: I try to go back to sleep and can't go
Speaker 1: back in there.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know, just the nightmares, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's just weird how that happens. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that it was literally my worst fears made manifest.
Speaker 1: And so the good news is is that I've already
Speaker 1: experienced the worst internal feeling that I could ever imagine,
Speaker 1: because I manifested it in my own damn mind. So
Speaker 1: you know, there's always something to gain from it. And
Speaker 1: I will say, obviously, not all psychedelic trips are going
Speaker 1: to go like this. I have tripped probably all together
Speaker 1: forty or fifty times in my life all together, maybe
Speaker 1: closer to forty. And whether it be mushrooms or four
Speaker 1: aco DMT or regular DMT or never tried acid, I'm
Speaker 1: not really crazy about even wanting to try acid, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, but all together around forty times,
Speaker 1: I've had two bad trips, so it's like heavily good
Speaker 1: on the good side. That being said, I feel like
Speaker 1: I've experienced everything I need to experience and I probably
Speaker 1: won't be getting in there again. And so what I
Speaker 1: am more interested in though, is going trying to go
Speaker 1: deeper into the meditational realms, because in there, whenever you're meditating,
Speaker 1: you're so calm, you're so chill, you know, you can
Speaker 1: kind of you feel your surroundings and maybe you get
Speaker 1: lost in there, maybe time kind of escapes from you. Whatever,
Speaker 1: but at least it's manageable. Like with that that was
Speaker 1: not manageable. There was nothing I could do to manage it.
Speaker 1: And so what I would like to do, especially now
Speaker 1: that I'm doing metaphull time, I would like to get
Speaker 1: back into doing more past life regressions. So if anybody
Speaker 1: is interested in that, and I would say, apart from psychedelics,
Speaker 1: the farthest that you can go into your mind unless
Speaker 1: you're like a seasoned meditator and you don't need somebody
Speaker 1: like that. The farthest you can go without psychedelics, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, is past life aggressions. So if anybody's interested
Speaker 1: in that, just reach out to us on Patreon, hit
Speaker 1: us up in the email metamistics at yahoo dot com,
Speaker 1: and I'll respond and we'll get it going, so you
Speaker 1: don't have to go to the depths that I went to,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was so nightmarish that I wasn't
Speaker 4: even sure if we were going to share it in
Speaker 4: the depth that we that we have tonight, you know,
Speaker 4: but I felt like we probably should, you know, one
Speaker 4: to be transparent and two, I'm sure this night is
Speaker 4: being as impactful as it was. It's going to be
Speaker 4: something that we're going to be able to look back on,
Speaker 4: you know, going forward. And so you know, I'm glad
Speaker 4: that we were able to share that with you guys.
Speaker 4: And uh, yeah, really wasn't sure we were going to,
Speaker 4: but I thank you guys for for listening to us
Speaker 4: on that because I feel like we needed that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very therapeutic actually, but you know, What's funny
Speaker 1: is is that before I ever really tried any I
Speaker 1: think i'd tried mushrooms, but i'd never done for aco DMT,
Speaker 1: and i'd never done regular DMT. I used to always
Speaker 1: hear like people's trip reports, right, like especially from or
Speaker 1: Ayahuasca or even ib A Gain right, like these crazy
Speaker 1: ass trips, and they'll talk about how amazing it is.
Speaker 1: It is so blissful, so amazing, so awesome, and it's
Speaker 1: just the most like you can't even put it into words,
Speaker 1: you couldn't even draw it, right, like one of those
Speaker 1: crazy amazing like beyond heavenly right. People will have those experiences.
Speaker 1: Then you ask them, They're like, oh, that's awesome. You
Speaker 1: had a great experience. Do you want to do it again?
Speaker 1: They're like, the fuck no, I'm not doing that again,
Speaker 1: you know. Like, and I feel like I've gotten to
Speaker 1: that point for myself, like I've done it forty fifty
Speaker 1: times whatever, I'm good now. I experienced what I needed
Speaker 1: to experience. I had a bunch of great times a
Speaker 1: couple of bad times. But to be honest, I think
Speaker 1: that I really don't want to have another bad trip again.
Speaker 1: I don't think I can handle it. Like that's and
Speaker 1: maybe that's like I don't know, week of me or whatever,
Speaker 1: but I'm good. It's like it's like getting jumped, you know,
Speaker 1: you get jumped one time, you're probably you're like, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't really feel like I need that again
Speaker 1: in my life. That's what it felt like.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, I think you got what you needed when
Speaker 4: you when you needed it, you know, and I think
Speaker 4: that it's not it's not weakness, it's just you understanding
Speaker 4: the limitations of your own mind. You know, you don't
Speaker 4: want to lose all the marbles, you know, at least
Speaker 4: not all at once, Like let's let's lose them slowly,
Speaker 4: like over time, you know, as we age and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the normal way. Yeah right, let's see. Hayden said,
Speaker 1: I'm finally able to join a live show again. I'm
Speaker 1: also glad you made it back. Brother. There is always
Speaker 1: something to learn from bad trips and experiences. I'm definitely
Speaker 1: still interested in past life aggression. Hell yeah, there's definitely
Speaker 1: always something to learn from a bad trip. In the moment,
Speaker 1: you feel like there's nothing to learn, maybe the only
Speaker 1: thing that you learned is that, like, you fucked up,
Speaker 1: and why did you try psychedelics in the moment, you know?
Speaker 1: And actually Sean throughout the psychedelics while we were tripping,
Speaker 1: because we both agreed that we're never going to do
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 4: Like he's like, throw those, Wade, We're not doing those.
Speaker 4: The more I said, oh I already did, I was like,
Speaker 4: I ain't doing that shit again, no way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Fuck that A lot of great memories on it, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but eh, you know, we had our
Speaker 1: we had our moment. Go ahead, why boy, wizard.
Speaker 4: Next time, you better send that shit to me?
Speaker 1: Dog?
Speaker 5: What the fuck?
Speaker 4: Be careful, man, That's all I'm saying. Just be careful.
Speaker 1: I think we only had like we only had like
Speaker 1: one left anyway, Yeah, yeah, so it was only gonna
Speaker 1: be enough for one of us to trip again. And
Speaker 1: so we were like, you know, like if it was
Speaker 1: like thirty or forty left in there, we'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we'll give these to a friend or
Speaker 1: something like that. But to be honest, and and you
Speaker 1: know what, I what I was thinking too, and Sean
Speaker 1: really did so right before we tripped. Sean, it was
Speaker 1: like a couple hours beforehand, he took this gigantic fucking
Speaker 1: crystal and placed it on top of the psychics, right,
Speaker 1: and he was like, I'm gonna charge these motherfuckers up.
Speaker 1: Turns out not a good idea. Probably shouldn't do that.
Speaker 4: Oh I shouldn't have done that. Yeah, just another layer
Speaker 4: to the situation, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so fun, not fun really, but uh yeah
Speaker 1: it was pretty crazy, but yeah, if we had more
Speaker 1: of that. Look, I don't think that it had anything
Speaker 1: to do with the psychedelic itself. It was just reacting
Speaker 1: with my own internal chemistry and thought patterns and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And you know, that's what happens whenever you,
Speaker 1: you know, decide to wreck yourself.
Speaker 4: And just like anything else, you know, an experience could
Speaker 4: be a good experience, it could be a whatever experience.
Speaker 4: It just depends on what is already going on within
Speaker 4: your own mind. You know, that's what shapes your experience.
Speaker 4: So no, definitely wasn't the psychedelic itself. And I know
Speaker 4: a lot of people have great experiences, like Jonathan said,
Speaker 4: but just for me personally, you know, I think I'm
Speaker 4: I'm good for right now. Who knows, maybe five years
Speaker 4: from now, I'm going through some shit and I need
Speaker 4: a little uh, I need some remembering to do. I
Speaker 4: don't know, but as of right now, I think I'm good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably gonna be at least a few years
Speaker 1: before I even think about going there again. But I
Speaker 1: will say that I think that you can actually get
Speaker 1: the majority of what you need out of psychedelics in meditation. Like, really,
Speaker 1: anybody who's ever meditated for more than fifteen minutes, I
Speaker 1: mean fifteen minute meditation, you can actually see a lot, right,
Speaker 1: But if you actually sit there for twenty five, thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: forty five minutes, even an hour, dude, you can experience
Speaker 1: some really wild shit, and you know just what's going
Speaker 1: on during that meditation. You already have that your own
Speaker 1: internal DMT is that is kind of secreting through itself, right,
Speaker 1: and that is going into your mind. That's what causes
Speaker 1: you to dream at night. And so you can actually
Speaker 1: tap into that while you're deep enough into meditation to
Speaker 1: where your body thinks that it's asleep, so it starts
Speaker 1: secreting that DMT automatically anyway, And that's why people will
Speaker 1: meditate for a couple of hours or you think it's sad. Guru,
Speaker 1: I think he meditated for like six fucking days in
Speaker 1: a row and never got up to even take a
Speaker 1: piss or anything like that, like just straight up meditated
Speaker 1: for that long. That's how he knew that he was,
Speaker 1: Like he had lived past lives as a guru, which
Speaker 1: is kind of crazy.
Speaker 4: I think the psychedelic is more of like a like
Speaker 4: almost like a shortcut, you know what I mean. Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you can get you can definitely get downloads and understandings
Speaker 4: through meditation, but psychedelic, I feel like it's just you
Speaker 4: just get a lot more all at once. And I
Speaker 4: think that's probably what causes the sheer terror at times.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just too much to process all at once,
Speaker 4: too many things that you were comfortable with that just
Speaker 4: go away all of a sudden, you know. And like
Speaker 4: in a meditation, you can consciously drift into that space,
Speaker 4: you know, and so you slowly kind of just become
Speaker 4: the essence that is purely just you kind of just observing,
Speaker 4: you know. But when you do psychedelics, that just that
Speaker 4: rug gets just ripped from underneath your feet so fast, dude,
Speaker 4: that you don't know which ways up, you know. And
Speaker 4: so but yeah, dude, like to what to your point?
Speaker 4: You know, the meditation. Sure, you might have to do
Speaker 4: a lot more meditations or you know, just to get
Speaker 4: something that you really need or you know, a lesson
Speaker 4: that you need and understanding that you need. It's just
Speaker 4: going to take longer, you know. But that's what they
Speaker 4: call it a practice.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's something that you should be practicing every day. Ideally.
Speaker 1: You know, there are people that meditate every single day
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be no you know, hour
Speaker 1: or anything like that. And they actually say, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the best time to meditate is,
Speaker 1: but I've heard it's like rate as soon as you
Speaker 1: wake up, because it helps you kind of set your
Speaker 1: day in motion. Right, So if you wake up and
Speaker 1: maybe go to the bathroom first and then whatever, you
Speaker 1: come back, sit there in meditation for fifteen to thirty
Speaker 1: minutes or whatever, and you're just you're you're you're being
Speaker 1: purposeful about how you're starting your day, and that in
Speaker 1: and of itself is powerful enough. So I think that
Speaker 1: I would love to get to a point where I'm
Speaker 1: meditating every day. You know, We've been saying that for
Speaker 1: quite a while actually, but yeah, I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be sticking to that route personally, it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of meditation, some past life regression. I still got to
Speaker 1: reach out to John mcclucky so that he can give
Speaker 1: me a past life regression. I think that's gonna be sick, Sean.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to meditate or hypnotize you here soon, sir.
Speaker 4: So yeah, for sure, I'm down down maybe for all that, dude,
Speaker 4: I feel like I actually need it, so at some
Speaker 4: point we'll definitely make that happen. But yeah, man, it's
Speaker 4: it's just been. It was. It was a wild ride, man,
Speaker 4: and I and I'm glad we're both here to talk
Speaker 4: about it. Man, that's all. I just feel grateful.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, up, my boy, was the sort of I thought
Speaker 1: you were getting ready to say something.
Speaker 5: My dude, Oh sorry, I'm getting some noodles. I was
Speaker 5: unmuted my bed.
Speaker 4: Ok. Yeah, to what you were saying. As far as
Speaker 4: like meditating in the morning, I feel like that probably
Speaker 4: is the best. Like if you can get a hold
Speaker 4: of your subconscious mind and tell it what you were
Speaker 4: looking for for that day, how you want things to
Speaker 4: play out, you're going to be more likely to see
Speaker 4: those things and see those opportunities and kind of be
Speaker 4: able to you know, shut down some of the more
Speaker 4: negative things that it's possible to be seen that day.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean, if you ask me, it's probably
Speaker 4: best to do it in the morning and right before
Speaker 4: you go to bed, you know what I mean, right
Speaker 4: out of that data state, right out of that dream world,
Speaker 4: and right before the dream world. You know, you can
Speaker 4: talk to your subconscious mind right before bed and tell
Speaker 4: it like, okay, these are some things that I didn't
Speaker 4: like today, like show me why, you know, and then
Speaker 4: you can go into a dream and then your dream
Speaker 4: world will possibly enlighten you on those things. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but but yeah, as far as the dream the dream stuff, man, lately,
Speaker 4: my dreams have been just kind of kind of wild
Speaker 4: and kind of I don't know, hard to explain, but
Speaker 4: I felt like every time I woke up, I felt
Speaker 4: just a little bit better than the day before. So
Speaker 4: in my experience, in my opinion, I think that dreams
Speaker 4: really do help us process information that we've gathered throughout
Speaker 4: the day or throughout the last month or whatever. You know,
Speaker 4: It's like this place that things just kind of get consolidated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so. And you know what I
Speaker 1: was thinking that it was so crazy, dude, because that
Speaker 1: it was a night or two after that experience that
Speaker 1: we ended up having on the Witch from Salem right,
Speaker 1: and that night, you know, typically I don't draw tarot
Speaker 1: cards normally that's a Sean thing. But he left the
Speaker 1: tarot cards in the room that I was in, and
Speaker 1: so I ended up you know, doing the tarot pool
Speaker 1: that night, and we ended up getting the Nine of Swords.
Speaker 1: What's funny about that and why we kind of you know,
Speaker 1: smirked a little bit whenever we pulled it on the
Speaker 1: show was because right after that trip that night, I
Speaker 1: told Sean, I was like, dude, like, if I could
Speaker 1: pick a tarot card that I'm feeling right now, it
Speaker 1: is the Nine of Swords card, right, And because I
Speaker 1: just felt absolutely wrecked anxiety ridden, it was just nothing
Speaker 1: I could do about it. I thought that, like, I
Speaker 1: was never gonna get reality back. And then we ended
Speaker 1: up pulling it that night with that woman and she goes,
Speaker 1: oh damn, that fucking card follows me around everywhere, that
Speaker 1: Nine of Swords. I was like, what are the odds
Speaker 1: of all cards to follow around a guest that we
Speaker 1: just had on the show. For it to happen that
Speaker 1: night that night, right, And you know what's crazy is
Speaker 1: is that that night I pulled that Nine of Swords
Speaker 1: and I was like, Nope, nope, this is about me.
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be about me. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to read this card. So I ended up pulling
Speaker 1: another card. It was the Four of Swords, which if
Speaker 1: you ever looked at the distinguishment between the Four Swords
Speaker 1: and the Nine of Swords, they're basically the same fucking card.
Speaker 1: Like they're probably the two most similar cards in the
Speaker 1: entire deck. It is, instead of nine swords hanging above
Speaker 1: somebody's head, it's four swords hanging above somebody's head, and
Speaker 1: the four of Swords card. There's somebody blind for right,
Speaker 1: with these four swords above them and the Nine of Swords.
Speaker 1: It's the person sitting up in bed and they have
Speaker 1: their face covered with their hands with the nine Swords
Speaker 1: above them, like clearly in an anxious state. And I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I guess I'm just gonna read the
Speaker 1: message then, because it's trying to show itself, right, And
Speaker 1: I'm happy I did, But I was thinking, why don't
Speaker 1: we go to the deeper depths of what the Nine
Speaker 1: of Swords actually means o, man, because I felt like
Speaker 1: it was the right reading, you know, not only just
Speaker 1: for me, because I thought, well, because I thought it
Speaker 1: was just about me. But then I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: of course it's for Sean too. And then she's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that card follows me everywhere. It's it's mine too.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, so the let's see here
Speaker 1: the Nine of Swords. This is according to the end,
Speaker 1: it's very it's not a very long description of it,
Speaker 1: just a couple of paragraphs, but it's from these seventy
Speaker 1: eight Degrees of Wisdom. If you heard we had one
Speaker 1: episode on Ready from this book where we read in
Speaker 1: deeper detail about the full Magician and the High Priestess.
Speaker 1: I think, yep, so yeah, this is dude. And this
Speaker 1: is what every single like old school terror reader will
Speaker 1: tell you that where they get most of their descriptions
Speaker 1: about like tiny little details and you know, history of
Speaker 1: certain symbolism and stuff like that. Most people will point
Speaker 1: to this book that was written by Rachel Pollock, and
Speaker 1: she wrote it like back in nineteen eighty and still
Speaker 1: to this day, there's in a book that touches it
Speaker 1: as far as detail.
Speaker 4: Is concerned off of the first three cards that we
Speaker 4: went overdue. There was so much that we got from that,
Speaker 4: and so yeah, I can only imagine, you know what
Speaker 4: this is going to be about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're going to go there, all right. So
Speaker 1: the nine of Swords the image of deepest sorrow, of
Speaker 1: utmost mental pain, where the queen frees herself by turning
Speaker 1: sorrow into wisdom. The three suggests the calm of accepting,
Speaker 1: and the nine shows the moment of agony and of dissolution.
Speaker 1: Damn sounds right. The swords do not stick in her back,
Speaker 1: but hang in the black air above her. Very often
Speaker 1: the nine refers not to something happening directly to us,
Speaker 1: but rather to someone we love.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck shit, uh love.
Speaker 1: Love in fact fills the card and give it, give it,
Speaker 1: gives it its meaning. The blanket design shows Roses, symbol
Speaker 1: of passion, alternating with the signs of the zodiac. In
Speaker 1: the card's deepest sense, it shows a mind that takes
Speaker 1: on itself all the sorrows of the world, the of
Speaker 1: just man or Jewish legend, you know, talking about the
Speaker 1: lamed Vava. It says, can we see a way out
Speaker 1: of such dreadful pain? Both Buddha and Christ pictured the
Speaker 1: world as a place of unending sorrow. Yet both authos
Speaker 1: also said that the tragedy remains always a half true,
Speaker 1: that the universe is, that the universe seen as a whole,
Speaker 1: brings joy and peace, And as Nietzsche wrote, of embracing
Speaker 1: existence so completely with such total ecstatic honesty, that we
Speaker 1: would gladly repeat endlessly every moment of our lives, whatever
Speaker 1: the pain. So that's interesting. We didn't get it reversed,
Speaker 1: but I'll read it anyway. What the reverse meaning of
Speaker 1: the upside down or the reversed nine of swords is?
Speaker 1: It says for the nine reversed weight gives us one
Speaker 1: of the most suggestive formulas imprisonment, suspicion, doubt, reasonable fear,
Speaker 1: and shame. The words delineate a state of mind, or
Speaker 1: rather a progression of states, the result when people retreat
Speaker 1: into themselves from some problem they do not dare to confront.
Speaker 1: As with the card right side up, the reverse card
Speaker 1: deals with our reaction to something outside ourselves, but here
Speaker 1: it is oppression rather than tragedy. The key term is
Speaker 1: reasonable fear, which can refer to say political oppression or
Speaker 1: as of racial or sexual minorities or social oppression, a
Speaker 1: feeling of being a scapegoat because of appearance, speech, etc.
Speaker 1: Or simply the personal oppression of domineering family or partner.
Speaker 1: The important thing is that the problem is real, but
Speaker 1: because we cannot directly attack it, we tend to hide
Speaker 1: in ourselves, keeping in our anger and resentment. Anger turned
Speaker 1: in on itself becomes depression, and from their suspicion, the
Speaker 1: person who has laughed at as a child for her
Speaker 1: big nose thinks that everyone is looking at her. The
Speaker 1: black person believes that any complaint at work is a
Speaker 1: racial slur, and suspicion easily leads to self doubt and shame.
Speaker 1: Often it does not even help, at least not completely,
Speaker 1: if we rationally know that we have no reason to
Speaker 1: feel ashamed, that in fact, those who have ridiculed or
Speaker 1: oppressed us should feel the same. Unless the oppressed, self
Speaker 1: doubting person takes action, expresses his or her anger, makes
Speaker 1: real changes in his or her life, the hidden, the
Speaker 1: deep hidden shame will remain so pretty pretty decent description there,
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 4: Say pretty bowed on dude, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: That's pretty uh pretty detailed. I actually I wrote something
Speaker 4: I wasn't even sure if I was going to share it.
Speaker 4: This was just before starting recording tonight. So I think
Speaker 4: it was just something that I wanted to write down,
Speaker 4: just so that I would have it somewhere tangible in
Speaker 4: case I kind of started to forget. But I mean,
Speaker 4: it's not only it's not even that deep, really, but like,
Speaker 4: I just wrote it, and so let me see if
Speaker 4: I can read my handwriting, so I said, or I wrote, rather,
Speaker 4: I had the most terrifying night of my life. I
Speaker 4: never knew. I never knew how truly awful experiencing my
Speaker 4: worst fear would be. Before the nightmare started, I noticed
Speaker 4: the reality that I have grown accustomed to started to
Speaker 4: take a backseat, while the closest thing to objective reality
Speaker 4: took center stage. I know that even that was an
Speaker 4: objective reality, because even this was being processed by my brain.
Speaker 4: But it was interesting experiencing reality with seemingly no frame
Speaker 4: of reference or preset model of understanding. I think our
Speaker 4: brains have evolved to make things more tolerable, even in
Speaker 4: things that we know to be true are just the
Speaker 4: truth that we accept. These truths that we accept are
Speaker 4: always running in the background. This is why we are
Speaker 4: so quick to see when someone else's subjective understanding of
Speaker 4: what is true is incorrect. It's only incorrect to the
Speaker 4: models and presets that we have accepted in our own
Speaker 4: personal journey. Something came to mind during this letting go
Speaker 4: of what was comfortable. The universe is chaos and we
Speaker 4: harness it. This is what it means when you hear
Speaker 4: spiritual teachers say that you create your own reality. You
Speaker 4: are the magic because you take what is chaos and
Speaker 4: turn it into something beautiful. So that was just something
Speaker 4: that I, like, I don't know, it just came to me.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to write it down, and you know
Speaker 4: who knows, Like, to me, it made sense and to
Speaker 4: do with that, which you will.
Speaker 1: Oh that was beautiful. I'm happy you said it, dude.
Speaker 1: I know you were thinking about not even mentioning it
Speaker 1: because you didn't know if it was going to be
Speaker 1: you know, if there was even going to be a
Speaker 1: moment for it. But yeah, I'm happy you did.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 1: That was that was awesome.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, man. Yeah, it was just something that
Speaker 4: came to my mind too. While we were experiencing that.
Speaker 4: It was like, oh, you know, like we've heard people
Speaker 4: like Daryl Anka mentioned it as far as like nothing
Speaker 4: having any inherent meaning, you know, And so the meaning
Speaker 4: that you that you express, or the meaning that you
Speaker 4: feel in certain things is coming from you, like you
Speaker 4: are creating that experience of having something means something, whether
Speaker 4: it's something good, something bad, something amazing, something terrifying. This
Speaker 4: is all something that you, yourself is putting that meaning onto.
Speaker 4: And so I don't know, man, you know, when when
Speaker 4: you feel that that comfortable reality slip away, you know,
Speaker 4: and all of the things that your mind has adjusted
Speaker 4: itself to to be like okay with to make things
Speaker 4: feel comfortable, like the understanding that you know, maybe we
Speaker 4: are just you know, floating around in space and everything
Speaker 4: is just chaos, and there's really I mean, it's it's
Speaker 4: really just uh crazy that we're even here, you know,
Speaker 4: and here we are worrying about certain certain things in
Speaker 4: life that other people would look at that and go
Speaker 4: that's like not even a big deal, right, you know,
Speaker 4: And so it's it's just this whole existence is subjective, dude,
Speaker 4: And uh, I don't know. I guess the best thing
Speaker 4: you can do is find the best meaning you can
Speaker 4: for for your truths, you know, because I feel like it's.
Speaker 1: All paradoxical, a one hundred percent yeah, and everything really
Speaker 1: is like we love to you know, we're we're I think,
Speaker 1: just as humans, we always like to compare our situations
Speaker 1: to everybody else's. You know, somebody got a nicer car,
Speaker 1: or somebody got a bigger house, or somebody went on
Speaker 1: a sick vacation that we can't afford, or somebody as
Speaker 1: a super hot wife or a super you know, good
Speaker 1: looking husband or whatever. Right, it's like we always want
Speaker 1: and want and want and want. And actually it's funny.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a big fan of this individual, but
Speaker 1: he said something that I listened to earlier, and I
Speaker 1: kind of jive with it. You know who Andrew Tate is,
Speaker 1: right Ah, yeah, yeah, he's kind of a douchebag. But
Speaker 1: he he did drop a little nugget which I really appreciated.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, the thing that keeps most people
Speaker 1: going is the want and the dream, right Like, that's
Speaker 1: kind of what is our fuel to keep going. He goes,
Speaker 1: He goes, Look, I'm somebody I have multiple different houses
Speaker 1: on multiple different islands, and I have yachts, and I
Speaker 1: have all the nice cars, and I have all the
Speaker 1: good things that money can buy. He goes, I have everything.
Speaker 1: I don't want anything, and he goes, While that does
Speaker 1: that might sound awesome to you, he goes, there's nothing
Speaker 1: to really keep me motivated, and he goes. You think
Speaker 1: about it. The people, the elites whatever at the top,
Speaker 1: that have everything that they want, the only thing that's
Speaker 1: left to chase is power. And that's why people get
Speaker 1: corrupted because they already have everything they want. They already
Speaker 1: have their dream wife or dream husband. They already have
Speaker 1: all the houses and all the cars, and all the vacations.
Speaker 1: They've been everywhere, they've done everything. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I imagine that the six Flags is awesome, but if
Speaker 1: you have to go there every single day, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like I don't even want to ride that ride anymore. Right,
Speaker 1: And so what he was saying is is that it's
Speaker 1: basically like you want to stay in a point where
Speaker 1: you're still keeping a dream, you know, and that's the
Speaker 1: most important thing. And that's that's kind of how it is,
Speaker 1: you know over here, is that you know it's always
Speaker 1: going to be a dream. We want to be able
Speaker 1: to talk to as many people as humanly power possible
Speaker 1: and kind of get out this message of consciousness and
Speaker 1: spirituality and oneness, because we think that that's really going
Speaker 1: to put a dent into the evil of the world. Imagine,
Speaker 1: imagine if like if everybody, I don't know who was
Speaker 1: it that said recently, like, dude, somebody just needs to
Speaker 1: give a president some like some fucking DMT or ayahuasca
Speaker 1: or something, and like realize that they're all just one
Speaker 1: with everything. You're not going to drop a bomb on
Speaker 1: anybody after that, you know, no. And so I just
Speaker 1: love the idea of oneness. And so that's really what
Speaker 1: we're trying to push over here. And along the way,
Speaker 1: like figure out some fucking crazy abilities that we have
Speaker 1: almost like hidden from ourselves, because I think the more
Speaker 1: we start to realize that it all is one, and
Speaker 1: the more we start to dive in deeper into ourselves
Speaker 1: and understanding ourselves, maybe these abilities, you know, whether it
Speaker 1: is connecting to the astral realms or you know, telekinesis
Speaker 1: or or whatever psychic abilities, whatever the case may be, Like,
Speaker 1: imagine how much more awesome that makes life, You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I think that you know, that's
Speaker 1: never going to be something like because people get tired
Speaker 1: of their material gain after a while. This is not
Speaker 1: material gain. You are literally turning yourself, damn near into
Speaker 1: the super version of yourself. I think by working on
Speaker 1: a lot of these things, whether it is seeing without
Speaker 1: your eyes or being able to start a fire just
Speaker 1: with your intention, you know, like these weird ass things
Speaker 1: that seem like they're comic bookie. You know, like we
Speaker 1: all watched Matilda when we were grown up, thinking about
Speaker 1: how awesome that was. Turns out there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people that are doing that right now. And yes, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of frauds out there, and that will always
Speaker 1: be a thing. So everybody's always gonna want clicks and
Speaker 1: shares and likes and all this other shit. But there
Speaker 1: are some people out there who have mastered the ability
Speaker 1: to master themselves and they understand that there is no
Speaker 1: difference between you and me, and therefore you become lucid
Speaker 1: in the dream. And once you become lucid in the dream,
Speaker 1: it's fucking awesome.
Speaker 4: You know. Now you're just creating your own reality, you know,
Speaker 4: alongside of trying to learn different things like that, but
Speaker 4: like knowledge itself, you know, really trying to garner as
Speaker 4: much of that as possible, because the more knowledge you have,
Speaker 4: the more things you understand, the the better you are
Speaker 4: to transmute any given situation. You know. Just the ability
Speaker 4: to fine tune your ability to transmute, I feel like
Speaker 4: is a superpower all in itself, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And so I think there's an infinite amount of knowledge
Speaker 4: and things that we can gain from this, and so
Speaker 4: we're never going to be done here, you know. That's
Speaker 4: the good news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, and I think that we all have to,
Speaker 1: you know, in our own way, of course, we all
Speaker 1: have to, you know, like break down the illusion a
Speaker 1: little bit, because if if these things are real and
Speaker 1: we've seen them firsthand, you know, just to get into
Speaker 1: psychic abilities, we've seen them firsthand. With Shannon calling out,
Speaker 1: you know, Sean's stepdad, and like she had no information
Speaker 1: on that, We gave her nothing. Shawn has never posted
Speaker 1: anything on any social media's about him. It's all been
Speaker 1: in house. I don't think we've ever even brought him
Speaker 1: up on.
Speaker 4: A show, not up until then, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Not up until then. And she was able to describe
Speaker 1: him to an absolute tee. Where did she get that from?
Speaker 1: Where did that come from? Was that a good guess? No,
Speaker 1: you can't guess that many details. Yeah, like, And so
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to say, is and that's just
Speaker 1: one example. How about Cassandra? How many times has she
Speaker 1: ballparked something? You know what I mean? What else was there?
Speaker 1: I mean? And they're oh, how about every potent to.
Speaker 4: The point where I felt like she was just seeing
Speaker 4: right through me? Dude? You know, it's like it's making
Speaker 4: me a little nervous how much she knew just by
Speaker 4: looking at me?
Speaker 1: And and how about every single tarot reading we've had.
Speaker 1: You know, there's magic to this place and you just
Speaker 1: have to tap into it, and it's obvious. And is
Speaker 1: it easier said than done? I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: that is you just got to get out of your
Speaker 1: own way. Once you get out of your own way
Speaker 1: and you allow the magic to just course around you,
Speaker 1: it's it's there, like it's crazy. And so whenever you
Speaker 1: do do a terror reading, and yes, terror reading, think
Speaker 1: about whatever you want. It is I can't put into
Speaker 1: there isn't a statistic out there that could make it
Speaker 1: any more egregious than it already. Is that every single
Speaker 1: card that we draw is exactly the card that we
Speaker 1: needed for the show. That's statistically impossible.
Speaker 4: All we've learned, man, and something that it almost sounds
Speaker 4: like it's too good to be true, you know, But
Speaker 4: we are the synchronicity generators in our own realm of reality,
Speaker 4: you know. I think back to the Alchemist, you know,
Speaker 4: I feel like he was trying to understand the language
Speaker 4: of the earth, you know, and almost to say that
Speaker 4: the earth itself has one language. But I feel like
Speaker 4: the language between you and the Earth is going to
Speaker 4: be different from from the next person into the next,
Speaker 4: And so it's just a matter of you figuring out
Speaker 4: what that language is between you and it, you know.
Speaker 4: And that being your bubble of reality, you're, you know,
Speaker 4: wherever you go, you notice a certain thing and that
Speaker 4: triggers something within your mind that has been leading you
Speaker 4: to think something a certain way because of your subconscious mind,
Speaker 4: and it is just like layered in and it's just
Speaker 4: this whole, all encompassing experience, you know. And so the
Speaker 4: more you understand that and getting out of your own way,
Speaker 4: like you said, Man, I mean, this place is it's
Speaker 4: a playground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's pretty damn crazy. And there are
Speaker 1: going to be people out there that maybe they talk
Speaker 1: about their communications with spirit guides, with deities, with planets,
Speaker 1: with stars, with things that are in the astro realm,
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. You don't need to It's
Speaker 1: like you can listen to somebody and you don't even
Speaker 1: need to fully believe it or fully understand it. But
Speaker 1: I think that whenever you get to a point where
Speaker 1: you can listen to somebody like electro Nick, I have
Speaker 1: never been able, I mean not knowingly. I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever been able to regularly have a connection with
Speaker 1: my spirit guides the way that Nick can, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's kind of his path, that's what he's great at.
Speaker 1: And by the way, look out for him. He's going
Speaker 1: to be having a bigger presence on this show here
Speaker 1: soon because he's the fucking man. But you know, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think that everybody has their thing, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever that is. Like some people are psychics, some people
Speaker 1: are good at terror reading, some people are good at
Speaker 1: seeing auras or whatever the case may be. Maybe you
Speaker 1: can be one of those people with the telekinesis and
Speaker 1: you can move the fucking aluminum foil all over the place,
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, it's like everybody has their own thing.
Speaker 1: It's not to say that because you can't do it,
Speaker 1: it's not real. You need to get out of that
Speaker 1: frame of mind like that has to completely be a race,
Speaker 1: because there's so much we don't understand. And at a
Speaker 1: certain point, and even if like somebody is a Christian
Speaker 1: and they're getting some kind of channeled message from Arcane
Speaker 1: Jeel Michael or whatever, or from Jesus or God or
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, let that be their thing.
Speaker 1: But one thing that we've kind of understood here recently
Speaker 1: is that anytime somebody gets like a downloaded or a
Speaker 1: channeled message or something like that, it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be for the entire world. It can be for you.
Speaker 1: You don't need to worry about helping the entire world,
Speaker 1: because once you change yourself, you change the world. That's how,
Speaker 1: that's the rules, that's the way, you know, because if
Speaker 1: every if this is a matrix or a simulation or
Speaker 1: a dream or something like that, then the most important
Speaker 1: part would be for you to wake up, Like that's
Speaker 1: the most important part. And maybe once you wake up
Speaker 1: everybody else you start to notice it almost seems like
Speaker 1: everybody else is starting to wake up a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, just weirdly how that happens.
Speaker 4: A little domino effect action. I think people they see
Speaker 4: the authenticity or they see just the you know, the
Speaker 4: whatever it is inside of you that's causing you to
Speaker 4: be how you are, and you're just kind of speaking
Speaker 4: your truth, and that, I think is is addictive. Man.
Speaker 4: I think that that calls for people to want to
Speaker 4: do the same for themselves, you know. And so yeah, man,
Speaker 4: it's a it's a ripple effect.
Speaker 1: Man. Hayden said. Oh wait, Skunky said, I tried shrooms
Speaker 1: in my suit. It was not fun. Skunky's a furry
Speaker 1: Oh okay, And so you know, dressing up and that's cool.
Speaker 1: Everybody has their thing, I know, judgment on this half.
Speaker 1: So doing shrooms inside of there, I imagine it'd be
Speaker 1: pretty damn hot.
Speaker 4: Imagine.
Speaker 1: But if you're ever going to trip balls, I would say,
Speaker 1: take some shrooms, put on your furry suit and look
Speaker 1: in the mirror.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you just didn't body.
Speaker 1: That that would be That would be kind of sick.
Speaker 1: It probably not a good idea because maybe then the
Speaker 1: animal starts to come out. You can't tame it. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 4: Don't take our ideas, you know, going forward this point on,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, just don't know what we're
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 1: Go off of your own intuition. We're we're just a
Speaker 1: couple of Yeah, we don't know, we don't know. Hayden said,
Speaker 1: where is the best place to buy a Tarot deck?
Speaker 1: There's there's like a lot of metaphysical shops. I would
Speaker 1: say go there first and support, you know, the the
Speaker 1: people that are that are kind of doing it on
Speaker 1: their own. Those are the best places to go to.
Speaker 1: Somebody who has, like you know, a little crystal shop,
Speaker 1: a little sage shop, something like that. Maybe it's a
Speaker 1: metaphysical bookstore. A lot of times they'll have like tarot decks,
Speaker 1: and they're those are the best people to try and
Speaker 1: support because you know, it's not a big old corporation.
Speaker 1: You're not buying it necessarily from the people that I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it like this, but the people
Speaker 1: that that need the money less. You know, some people
Speaker 1: really devote their entire lives to this metaphysical shit, and
Speaker 1: so you want to be able to support them, and
Speaker 1: that best way. That's where I got I got a
Speaker 1: few of my decks from Christie's shop over at Awakenings
Speaker 1: in Baton Rouge in Louisiana. I got a few of
Speaker 1: my decks there. I've gotten some from Amazon. I've gotten
Speaker 1: some from Barnes and Noble in books a million. You
Speaker 1: can find them a lot over at bookstores. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and some people actually make their own. So
Speaker 1: if you can go like on Etsy and get like
Speaker 1: a like a like someone that you know, maybe they
Speaker 1: only printed one hundred decks or something like that, those
Speaker 1: are really cool. They always say that the best way
Speaker 1: to get a tarot deck is to be gifted one.
Speaker 1: But how often are you gonna be gifted one? There's
Speaker 1: probably most people in your family think that they're they're
Speaker 1: Devil's cards or something anyway, So how often you're gonna
Speaker 1: be gifted that?
Speaker 4: You know? And I feel like it, And I could
Speaker 4: be wrong because I feel like at this point, due
Speaker 4: there's no wrong way to do any of this. It's
Speaker 4: really up to you and how you see fit, you know.
Speaker 4: But I would say probably get the traditional deck first
Speaker 4: if you don't have any yet, and just kind of
Speaker 4: get familiar with those symbols like we are trying to do.
Speaker 4: We're just trying to understand the symbolism of all of
Speaker 4: the original cards that way going forward, if you get
Speaker 4: a different deck, you can still kind of pull from
Speaker 4: that understanding and because maybe the symbolism is the same
Speaker 4: but the artwork is just a little different or what
Speaker 4: have you. But I don't know, I feel like getting
Speaker 4: the original deck was was a good move on for
Speaker 4: me anyway, just to kind of really understand where where
Speaker 4: this all came from, where the symbol what do the
Speaker 4: symbols mean?
Speaker 1: And yeah, so for sure, Yeah, the rider weight deck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the traditional or the most traditional. I think
Speaker 1: there's the there's the writer weight. Then there's also the
Speaker 1: it's either the weight smith or Smith weight or something
Speaker 1: like that. It was a it was another kind of
Speaker 1: make of it between these two different creators back in
Speaker 1: the day. But yeah, most people, whenever you talk about
Speaker 1: the original Tara deck, it's the writer the writer weight deck,
Speaker 1: and that's the original symbolism from whenever they came up
Speaker 1: with it back in the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: whenever was I will say, if you're trying to learn
Speaker 1: about it though, and they have a bunch of like
Speaker 1: different tarot books, we still use our guided Tarot book.
Speaker 1: So and this has been a huge help. But it's
Speaker 1: actually on Amazon if you're in if you have like
Speaker 1: an Amazon Prime account, they have it to where it's
Speaker 1: like a Black Friday deal. They do the Black Friday
Speaker 1: for like two weeks long. But I just saw it
Speaker 1: earlier today. They have this book on Amazon for like
Speaker 1: seven fifty dude. Yeah, super cheap.
Speaker 4: And it's the book we're covering now, the one that
Speaker 4: we're getting into where it goes even deeper on each
Speaker 4: of the cards is probably another good suggestion if you're
Speaker 4: if you're still learning for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The one the the seventy eight Degrees of Wisdom
Speaker 1: by Rachel Pollock. That is a phenomenal book as well.
Speaker 1: I think, dude, even that book is only fifteen twenty bucks, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not that crazy. Uh Hayden, you had your hand
Speaker 1: up there, sir. What were your thoughts? Everybody's always it's
Speaker 1: so difficult to try and unmute. Oh pressure, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 4: All right, cool.
Speaker 1: I was just wondering what the name of it was,
Speaker 1: but I think you just said it. Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's two different books though. The one that we
Speaker 1: always read from at the end of every show. For
Speaker 1: the Tarot reading is called Guided Taro for Seamless Readings
Speaker 1: by Stephanie Caponi, so big shout out to her. But
Speaker 1: the one that we're getting in more depth is called
Speaker 1: The Seventy Eight Degrees of Wisdom by Rachel Pollock. So
Speaker 1: both really really good books. Yeah, no problem, and so yeah, damn,
Speaker 1: I felt like there was something else I wanted to
Speaker 1: say about that. Oh yeah. So if you're just starting
Speaker 1: out and this has helped me out tremendously too, you
Speaker 1: can go on Amazon. I haven't been able to find
Speaker 1: them in any like metaphysical store. Only on Amazon or TikTok.
Speaker 1: Are these beginner Tarot cards. So basically what they have,
Speaker 1: and I'll show it a little bit here. You'll see
Speaker 1: the traditional tarot card right here, but then it'll have
Speaker 1: the meanings of the reversed and the right side up,
Speaker 1: so it's this is the right side up expl nation
Speaker 1: of the card. And they're just tiny, little one word descriptions.
Speaker 1: So for example, I just pulled this card. Actually, Sean,
Speaker 1: if you're ready for it, sir.
Speaker 4: That oh I'm in, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: You ready for the Tarot reading of the night. All right,
Speaker 1: So we actually got the three of Pentacles tonight, and
Speaker 1: if you want to see it, raid here there's a
Speaker 1: man standing standing up on a bench and he's talking
Speaker 1: to two initiates it seems like, and there's three of pentacles.
Speaker 1: They're standing in between. They're standing next to a pillar.
Speaker 1: And so but on this card, this is one of
Speaker 1: those beginner cards. It has just a couple of one,
Speaker 1: one and two word definitions for it, easy to like
Speaker 1: try and remember, like little keywords like that. But this
Speaker 1: three of Pencacles on this card stands for teamwork and collaboration, apprenticeship,
Speaker 1: focused effort, growth and learning, mastery and recognition. So the
Speaker 1: three of Penties, baby, So that's that's a your traditional
Speaker 1: like starter deck. They're going to have stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And then it'll tell you what the reversed side means.
Speaker 1: And this deck is actually really awesome. It gives you
Speaker 1: the chakra, it gives you the planet, it gives you
Speaker 1: the the zodiac, it'll it it has what element it is,
Speaker 1: and it also will will give you a yes or
Speaker 1: a no as well. So if you're trying to use
Speaker 1: it as like you know, a magic eight ball or whatever,
Speaker 1: these are divination cards, and so if you're ever just
Speaker 1: trying to get a yes or a no, pay no
Speaker 1: mind to what even the card is. It'll tell you
Speaker 1: yes or no on there, which, yeah, is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I don't use it for that very rarely I do,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's nice to have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the chakra for this one? Specifically?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you be shocked if I said third eye? Baby?
Speaker 4: Of course? Of course I love it.
Speaker 1: Let's go, oh, yeah, the So it's the third eye chakra,
Speaker 1: it's the Mars planet, the zodiac is Capricorn, and it
Speaker 1: is the Earth element. So it's just cool shit like that,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: And actually, if you think about it like that might
Speaker 4: be all you need as far as like just to
Speaker 4: trigger in your own mind what it is that you're
Speaker 4: trying to figure out, you know, just those few keywords,
Speaker 4: and then you sit with it in your own mind
Speaker 4: and kind of decode it. You know. Sure, you can
Speaker 4: go and read and see this long drawn out thing
Speaker 4: and understanding of what that card is, but it might
Speaker 4: only just take a few words, you know, and it's
Speaker 4: really going to resonate with with what you're experiencing, and
Speaker 4: then you sit with that with you yourself in a meditation
Speaker 4: even you know, and go a little deeper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And that's something that I've been I've
Speaker 1: been doing, like personal readings. I'm not to that point
Speaker 1: to where I'm a full own, a full blown terror
Speaker 1: reader yet. I'm still learning. But I still try and
Speaker 1: do a Tarot card read every day and somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: every so often, somebody will ask me if I can
Speaker 1: do them a terror reading. Reach out to me, if
Speaker 1: you want a terror reading, I'll do it. I'll do
Speaker 1: it for you for free. Like it's I'm still learning,
Speaker 1: so I'm not ever going to charge for it yet anyway,
Speaker 1: but I feel like, you know, there are people that obviously,
Speaker 1: like you want to pay more experienced people for that
Speaker 1: kind of shit because they're like fully tapped in. They've
Speaker 1: been doing it every day for several hours a day.
Speaker 1: I'm not to that point yet, but I would love
Speaker 1: to get to that point where I can know a
Speaker 1: little bit more in depth. But what's great about these
Speaker 1: beginner cards is that you know, if you do like
Speaker 1: a three or a four or a five card spread,
Speaker 1: you can look at just a couple of the words
Speaker 1: and you put them in order and everything, and they
Speaker 1: almost paint an entire story. I did one just like
Speaker 1: last week for somebody who I had never met yet
Speaker 1: never met in person, like only messaged on social media's right,
Speaker 1: And she asked me to do a reading for and
Speaker 1: I got it. It was just a three card draw
Speaker 1: and I was able to piece together what she was
Speaker 1: going through in her life just from a three card spread.
Speaker 1: And I was like, am I getting this shit? Or
Speaker 1: what dude? What's going on? You know that it's built
Speaker 1: in you know? So yeah, the Three of Pentacles. We're
Speaker 1: going to read it from the Handy Dandy Guided Tarot Book.
Speaker 1: So it says, prosperous expansion is at your fingertips as
Speaker 1: you confidently walk through new doors of opportunity. You've already
Speaker 1: worked to create balance in your life, and you're now
Speaker 1: ready for the uh, the expansive opportunities presented by the
Speaker 1: Three of Pencacles card. Here we see three people gathered
Speaker 1: in a lively conversation, collaborating on a plan that will
Speaker 1: change their lives for the better. The man standing on
Speaker 1: the bench is the craftsman. He has the valuable expertise
Speaker 1: and is confidently standing above the other two figures explaining
Speaker 1: his vision. Three pentacles carved into the architectural detail show
Speaker 1: that this collaborative work is stable and long lasting. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's a solid reading. The spiritual aspect of it says,
Speaker 1: increase confidence amidst fears leads you to grow and expand
Speaker 1: in many ways. Consider working on your skills at public speaking,
Speaker 1: were becoming visibly active within a community, Establishing your presence
Speaker 1: and growing your audience and your field of expertise will
Speaker 1: lead to fulfillment.
Speaker 4: Let's go, dude. I think it's a people underestimate the
Speaker 4: exponential growth that can be had by by you know,
Speaker 4: by yourself. You know, the things that you learn over time,
Speaker 4: you forget you learned, and then before you know it, Man,
Speaker 4: you're doing things that you never could have imagined. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. You just get to this point
Speaker 4: where things are just easier for you, you know, because
Speaker 4: you've already gone through some of the struggles, You've already
Speaker 4: had some of the pitfalls, You've already had to go
Speaker 4: through some of the lessons. Maybe it was a nightmare,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But but yeah, once you
Speaker 4: get to this certain level, man, things just start to flow.
Speaker 4: You don't have to you don't have to question things.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, yeah, it's oh my god, that is
Speaker 1: so crazy what you just said there, Ben. I got
Speaker 1: to read that out real quick. So Ben said, I'm
Speaker 1: a lion in the mirror without a suit, even on
Speaker 1: even on mushrooms at least, dude, let me tell you,
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention that aspect. So in that trip,
Speaker 1: I'm still losing my fucking mind, right. And it was
Speaker 1: at the end and I decided to look in the
Speaker 1: mirror because Sean almost looked like he had seen a
Speaker 1: ghost whenever he looked at me, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to see what he's seeing. And it was
Speaker 1: at the end of the trip where I was done,
Speaker 1: I wasn't even tripping anymore. I went to the bathroom
Speaker 1: to like go splashing water on my face or whatever,
Speaker 1: and I look in the mirror. My hair is crazy, dude,
Speaker 1: And immediately I thought, man, my hair almost looked like
Speaker 1: a fucking lion's mane, Like it just reminded me of
Speaker 1: like a lion or something like that, because I have, like,
Speaker 1: you know, this dirty blonde hair. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was still coming off of the trip, so I
Speaker 1: don't maybe I'll see some weird shit. But and so
Speaker 1: just the fact that you say that I thought was
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Oh and by the way, for the people
Speaker 1: that were asking why I shaved my beard off, it
Speaker 1: was because I felt like I was kind of reborn
Speaker 1: in that moment. And plus it was also a little itchy.
Speaker 1: I was kind of getting tired of it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it was it was more significant and symbolic in
Speaker 1: the sense of I just wanted this to be the
Speaker 1: starting point to where I'm now new and everything that
Speaker 1: everything else that comes from that is only going to
Speaker 1: be new. Almost. It almost like legit. And Sean mentioned
Speaker 1: this almost felt like a fucking baptism on some real shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I went into the to the bathroom later it
Speaker 4: was probably like two hours later, who knows. Time was
Speaker 4: weird at that point, but I went in there and
Speaker 4: used the restroom, and then I was walking out and
Speaker 4: I looked over and I saw that the bathtub still
Speaker 4: had like a few inches of water in it, like
Speaker 4: the little stopper kind of went down in it, and
Speaker 4: it kind of blocked the water from escaping, you know,
Speaker 4: and going down the drain, and and I was just
Speaker 4: like thinking about that, and then I unplugged it. And
Speaker 4: the water went down the drain and it was like,
Speaker 4: in that moment, to me, it felt like the closing
Speaker 4: of like a ritual or the closing of something that
Speaker 4: was like this big thing that happened, and it was
Speaker 4: just like being washed down. And I was like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, like I just closed the ceremony or whatever
Speaker 4: that was, you know, because it did feel that way.
Speaker 4: It felt like something major fling.
Speaker 1: It felt like blown out the candle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, Yeah, that's exactly like I was closing it out. Yeah,
Speaker 4: holy fuck, he just went through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: And that being said, dude, I can't even imagine being
Speaker 4: a shaman. I can't imagine that people go through that.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine, like you and someone's acting like the
Speaker 4: way that the point that I saw you, man, just
Speaker 4: looked so different from what I'm used to that I
Speaker 4: can't imagine somebody does that for like a living or
Speaker 4: for their life. You know, like, imagine seeing somebody like that. Man, Like,
Speaker 4: maybe you get used to it, maybe you start to
Speaker 4: really understand what it looks like when someone's like going
Speaker 4: through it and they're really exploring the deepest depths of
Speaker 4: their mind, you know, and you get accustomed to that,
Speaker 4: but I definitely was not accustomed to that well.
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that we regularly talk about transmutation.
Speaker 1: We regularly talk about how fear is a vibration that
Speaker 1: you can that on the other end of that poll
Speaker 1: is you know, the opposite of fear, you know, which
Speaker 1: is joy and happiness and that and all that kind
Speaker 1: of you know, the good stuff. And even in the moment,
Speaker 1: I couldn't transmute it, like, there was no transmuting that
Speaker 1: it was. I was gonna be in for a ride
Speaker 1: no matter what. You know, I'm buckled in. You ain't
Speaker 1: getting off this ride midway, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And so and so I would say that even somebody
Speaker 1: who is a season vet, maybe they've done DMT a
Speaker 1: fucking thousand times, like your boy Butler or like Danny
Speaker 1: Gohler and people like that who have just who are
Speaker 1: so like regular with it. I mean, I'm sure timing
Speaker 1: is everything with this kind of stuff, But pulling somebody
Speaker 1: out of that on a regular base, there's no fucking
Speaker 1: way you could. You couldn't pay me. I would rather
Speaker 1: be a police officer, and you couldn't pay me enough
Speaker 1: to do that job either.
Speaker 4: Yeah, That's what I was thinking. I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 4: people do this like this is their life. They're shamans,
Speaker 4: you know. They see the darkest bit of somebody escaping
Speaker 4: their body. You know, on the regular probably people probably
Speaker 4: break down and start crying or screaming or whatever, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, dude, I can't believe that.
Speaker 4: I don't ever want to experience that again. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, dude, what's crazy is I'm not a crier.
Speaker 1: Like I really don't cry, like I legit. I might
Speaker 1: cry regularly before we kind of got into this show.
Speaker 1: I might cry like once every four or five years.
Speaker 1: Like it is not common and it has to be
Speaker 1: something really fucked up for me to cry, right, Eh, dude,
Speaker 1: It's now been like two out of the last three
Speaker 1: times I went to visit. You havn't liked these emotional.
Speaker 4: Breakdowns, dominator. Dude. Maybe I'm the problem. Yeah, maybe I'm
Speaker 4: the problem.
Speaker 1: I tell you what, though, it feels good to get
Speaker 1: it out. Like, no, I'm not even trying to be
Speaker 1: lame or anything like that. It's good to cry every
Speaker 1: now and again, you know, just to fucking I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's almost like expressing the glands, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a little.
Speaker 4: That's part of the programming to even think that it's
Speaker 4: a weakness, you know what I mean as as dudes,
Speaker 4: you know, growing up, our dad would say, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: boys don't cry. You know, like I know that I'm
Speaker 4: not special in that case, you know. And so that's
Speaker 4: just been something that we've heard growing up. Boys don't cry,
Speaker 4: boys don't cry, and so be a man, be a
Speaker 4: man and cry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'said. Actually, there was a new listener on
Speaker 1: the show and she commented. I think it was a
Speaker 1: I think it was a girl that commented saying that, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so nice to see a spiritual podcast with the
Speaker 1: divine masculine. I'm like, uh, yeah, I guess there really
Speaker 1: isn't that many of them.
Speaker 4: Huh. You know, it's what It's what we needed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was time. So the White
Speaker 1: Boy Wizard said, I got the hottest Asian waitress right now,
Speaker 1: who's got the best pickup line? Help a homie out?
Speaker 4: Got nothing? Man? I wish I could help you.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm normally really good on the spot. If I
Speaker 1: was there with you, I would I would probably holler
Speaker 1: at her for you, But.
Speaker 5: Bro, where you are, let me get some wingman action,
Speaker 5: you know, divorce and haven't even been on a date yet,
Speaker 5: so I forgot how to do this. I just I
Speaker 5: just stare at him until they're like, oh, okay, I
Speaker 5: gotta go.
Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you. I can tell you Jacob's
Speaker 1: favorite pickup line. It's I don't suggest it, but Jacob's
Speaker 1: favorite pickup line.
Speaker 4: This kid way over to the lady.
Speaker 1: No, he just goes up to a random chick and says,
Speaker 1: show me up. Ba hole.
Speaker 5: H.
Speaker 1: He's as Louisiana as it gets, bro. Yeah, he told
Speaker 1: me that. I was like, there's no way you introduce
Speaker 1: yourself like that, and he goes no. They actually get
Speaker 1: a laugh out of it. I'm like, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: so just try and be funny. I guess whatever word
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I'm actually in Louisiana for the next Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all you need, dude. Even listening to like whenever
Speaker 1: we do the Cult member live shows on the Cult
Speaker 1: of Conspiracy and hearing about how Spirit Animal is somehow
Speaker 1: like a pimp, I'm like, how did that happen?
Speaker 4: You know? I see it. He's just authentic, is what
Speaker 4: it is. You know people like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is authentic. He's funny, you know, in his
Speaker 1: own way. But I'm like, what the ladies, he just
Speaker 1: got it, you know. But anyway, Yeah, just be authentic,
Speaker 1: be funny. That's the best way they like that shit.
Speaker 1: Let's see, Hayden said, ask her what that sushi roll do?
Speaker 4: What that aura do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hayden said, you were born again, baby? I think
Speaker 1: so born again again. The phoenix rises, it has to
Speaker 1: burn from time to time, which is funny because the
Speaker 1: phoenix burned down in Phoenix, so because we were in Phoenix,
Speaker 1: Arizona when that happened. So it's kind of weird, pretty
Speaker 1: symbolic actually, if you think about it. Uh, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I guess that's where we're gonna wrap it up.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get over the meditation. We really just wanted
Speaker 1: this show to try and you know, just spill it
Speaker 1: out there. We like to keep y'all kind of up
Speaker 1: to date on our day to day things, especially something
Speaker 1: as ground shattering and reality breaking as that was. It
Speaker 1: was something that we're never gonna forget for the remainder
Speaker 1: of our lives. It was something that brought so much compassion,
Speaker 1: like towards the rest of the world so much love
Speaker 1: and just showing that, like in my mind and in
Speaker 1: Shawn's reality, that whenever fear is made manifest, you never
Speaker 1: want to You not only not want to experience that again,
Speaker 1: you don't want anybody to ever experience that. And so
Speaker 1: you actually want to bring the opposite. You want to
Speaker 1: bring the love and the compassion and the empathy and
Speaker 1: just try and be more understanding to everybody else out there.
Speaker 1: Everybody's walking the same damn path. But the secret is
Speaker 1: is that everybody is actually you. So why would you
Speaker 1: ever be mean or be you know, not have the patience,
Speaker 1: or not have the love, or not have the empathy
Speaker 1: for you, you know, especially in a time whenever there
Speaker 1: is such crazy chaos already happening in the world, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be anything else that's going to light
Speaker 1: any more of that fire.
Speaker 4: So in our eyes, level of compassion and empathy reached. Dude,
Speaker 4: I didn't even know it was possible. And that's no bullshit.
Speaker 4: I'm not even trying to pump this up to being
Speaker 4: something that it's not like, no bullshit, dude, I'm just
Speaker 4: I feel so complete and whole and grateful and I
Speaker 4: love all you guys, dude, and I'm glad that we
Speaker 4: were able to share this with you guys. And because
Speaker 4: we know that this is kind of like our therapy session.
Speaker 4: Let's be real, right, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: we needed this just as much as you guys do.
Speaker 4: And I'm glad we uh, I'm glad we had this
Speaker 4: show tonight.
Speaker 1: Did Yeah, yeah, it was. It was good. So we
Speaker 1: appreciate everybody hanging out with us. Go ahead, white boy Wizard.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm just gonna stay you know, whenever I could
Speaker 5: tell that you're headed that way a couple of weeks
Speaker 5: ago and you're bashing on the Christians over there, I'm
Speaker 5: like channel and ship, I'm like gains like because that
Speaker 5: is it's so dickhead and ship dude. Anyways, I just
Speaker 5: wanted to much props. I love you, bro, and I'm
Speaker 5: glad you're freakingly I'm glad you do things the way
Speaker 5: that you do and don't just you know, let your
Speaker 5: emotions whatever, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: So we keep doing you. We'll stay here to support you.
Speaker 5: Fucking love you both.
Speaker 1: Hang love you, dude, appreciate it. Yeah, that's uh. And
Speaker 1: you know, just to to speak on that a little
Speaker 1: bit too, so I don't even want to say that
Speaker 1: the So I did two episodes on the Cult of
Speaker 1: Conspiracy about a month month and a half ago something
Speaker 1: like that, and it was back to back episodes, and
Speaker 1: I got major backlash on it, like crazy backlash. So
Speaker 1: I did an episode on the first one was about
Speaker 1: how the Noah's Ark story made no fucking sense, and
Speaker 1: the next one was I even titled it because I
Speaker 1: was getting a little cocky with it that the Nephelum
Speaker 1: were fake and gay and not a lot of people
Speaker 1: like that. And there was a lot of people that
Speaker 1: were like, I'm not listening to this shit anymore, and
Speaker 1: fucking Jacob, he doesn't know how to you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It was just like they were talking shit
Speaker 1: on both of us, really. But then there was also
Speaker 1: like a lot of like, oh, thank you, Like there
Speaker 1: were even some Christians that were like, dude, thank you,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for like bringing this up because you
Speaker 1: know now it makes me want to read it a
Speaker 1: little deeper and stuff like that. And I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that's really awesome.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I love the people that are very open minded that
Speaker 1: can take constructive criticism, like if there are holes in
Speaker 1: your story, I mean, sure, you can just sit there
Speaker 1: and just believe it, Like there's nothing wrong with just
Speaker 1: having blind faith or blind belief. That's totally fine, But
Speaker 1: for the people that need it to fucking make actual
Speaker 1: sense logically. I mean, I know we're talking about the
Speaker 1: Bible and anything spiritual, it's the exact opposite of logic, right,
Speaker 1: But if you're talking about the Old Testament, they always
Speaker 1: talk about how the Old Testament is historical. If your
Speaker 1: historical history is illogical, then it doesn't make sense, and
Speaker 1: you can't call it historical. If it's illogical, doesn't make sense,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't be one and not the other, right,
Speaker 1: And so that's what I was trying to call out.
Speaker 1: People didn't really like it, and we got a bunch
Speaker 1: of hate and a bunch of crazy stuff. And I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie like this was always the plan. Just
Speaker 1: everybody knows. It wasn't like I jumped shit from the
Speaker 1: cult because I couldn't handle it. I saw a couple
Speaker 1: of people saying that, I'm like, if you only knew
Speaker 1: me in real life, you would know how many fucks
Speaker 1: I actually have to give, which is it's bare early one.
Speaker 1: It's barely one. The fucks I give are the people
Speaker 1: that are open minded, the ones that, look, you can
Speaker 1: disagree with me, you don't have to agree with me
Speaker 1: to be open minded. I mean, it's the what is
Speaker 1: it like Aristotle that said that it's the mark of
Speaker 1: an intelligent man to listen to something and not and
Speaker 1: not have to worry about agreeing or disagreeing with it,
Speaker 1: you know, something along those lines. I kind of butchered that.
Speaker 1: But I think that that's the most important part is
Speaker 1: to be open minded and you know, kind of be
Speaker 1: open to constructive criticism about your beliefs. And look, and
Speaker 1: like I said, if there are things that you're just
Speaker 1: okay with not understanding to the fullness that you need,
Speaker 1: then that's okay. You know, everybody's different, everybody's wired different.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just want to throw it out there
Speaker 1: that those couple of shows are not the reason why
Speaker 1: I left the Cult of Conspiracy. Me and Sean I
Speaker 1: have said this for the past year and a half
Speaker 1: that my endgame was always to do metaphor time, hasn't it?
Speaker 4: John? Oh yeah, and you're following your herd, dude. You
Speaker 4: know some people are going to be upset about it.
Speaker 4: It's fine. And the thing that I look at that
Speaker 4: and I go, some people just need something to be
Speaker 4: mad at, and that's just what it is. And if
Speaker 4: you're that character for them, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: it is what it is. They don't know you how
Speaker 4: you do.
Speaker 1: And it was the right time. I'll say that, like
Speaker 1: raven Lee. If we didn't have raven Lee, and if
Speaker 1: Jacob didn't feel comfortable with who the new co host
Speaker 1: was going to be, I wouldn't have stepped away whenever
Speaker 1: I did. But for me personally, it was the right
Speaker 1: time and everything just so happened to fall in place.
Speaker 1: Raven Lee was available. She was willing to take on
Speaker 1: the responsibility of the of the everyday shoots, which is great.
Speaker 1: But I felt like I was being pulled in two
Speaker 1: very different directions because where I was. And this is
Speaker 1: nothing against conspiracies at all, because I was built on conspiracies, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's how I got into this game, was conspiracies.
Speaker 1: But I almost felt like I was doing the world
Speaker 1: almost a disservice by inspiring fear because and that's that's
Speaker 1: never what we were trying to do on the Cult.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 1: It was always about bringing awareness to certain things. It
Speaker 1: wasn't to spark fear. But I feel like some people
Speaker 1: just like to be scared, and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to play into that. You know, like that's a
Speaker 1: sickness whenever you like to just be scared of everything.
Speaker 1: I want to try and bring out the best in
Speaker 1: the individual into the From individual to individual, everybody's different,
Speaker 1: but I want to try and bring out like the
Speaker 1: light inside of you, the love inside of you, the
Speaker 1: fucking magical, psychic, goddamn powers inside of you. I don't
Speaker 1: want you to just be sitting at home scared of
Speaker 1: chemtrails and scared of World War III. Who's that going
Speaker 1: to help? I mean, if look, if there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a nuke that's dropped, there's nothing you can do about it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: You were all toast right, so there's no point in
Speaker 1: being scared about it. Also, I got so damn tired
Speaker 1: about talking about politics, and I've said that time and
Speaker 1: time again. I can't with it. There's not a single
Speaker 1: political party that I agree with anymore. I have separated
Speaker 1: myself from that entirely and completely. I don't have the
Speaker 1: patience for it. I'm not one of those people that
Speaker 1: likes to sit back and wait for other people to
Speaker 1: take care of the world's problems. I would much rather
Speaker 1: just focus with what I got going on in my
Speaker 1: own life rather than worrying about what's going on in
Speaker 1: the entire world personally.
Speaker 4: You know, you want to change the world, change yourself,
Speaker 4: you know. So that's where it starts, and that's where
Speaker 4: we are here on minimistics, that.
Speaker 1: Is where we are, baby, so Ben said, faking gay baby,
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, talking about the nephilone. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: I did, there was something else I wanted to say.
Speaker 1: So ever since those two episodes, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: do any more of those episodes anymore. Especially me and
Speaker 1: Jacob were button heads about like our beliefs about Israel.
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to get into that. I don't
Speaker 1: trust Israel. I don't trust in net and Yahoo or
Speaker 1: none of that shit. And some people have very differing beliefs.
Speaker 1: That's totally fine. So you know that I wanted to
Speaker 1: keep on talking about that, I couldn't. But as far
Speaker 1: as the Bible goes.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: You know, digging a little bit deeper into that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, I think we're definitely going to touch on
Speaker 1: that a little bit in the future. So if you
Speaker 1: enjoyed those kind of episodes, you know, we are planning
Speaker 1: and we had talked about on the Cult that we
Speaker 1: were going to do, like how the apostle Paul either
Speaker 1: never existed or he was an insider or something like that,
Speaker 1: because very contradictory messages between Paul and Jesus. Even whenever
Speaker 1: Jesus came back, he wasn't telling to his followers what
Speaker 1: Paul said, which never made any fucking sense. Right, So
Speaker 1: we're going to be getting into you know, that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff over here because absolute free speech over here,
Speaker 1: free realm of thought. You can agree to disagree. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's totally fine. It's just we want to be able
Speaker 1: to bring that that kind of stuff up, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people seem very interested in learning what it's
Speaker 1: like if you are a Christian. How much different is
Speaker 1: your life if you go by Jesus's actual sayings and
Speaker 1: not Paul's, who never met Jesus, by the way, never
Speaker 1: never in reality, like there's any never, any of that. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be getting into a little bit of that
Speaker 1: here soon. But yeah, not gonna keep on ballparking here.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys coming to hang out with us tonight.
Speaker 1: It was a fun show. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: listening to our story. It'll be something that we never
Speaker 1: forget about and thank you for, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: hearing us cry about it here for a little bit.
Speaker 4: It was just getting it out, you know, like it
Speaker 4: feels good to get it out, Like you can only
Speaker 4: ponder and contemplate so much. You know, it was nice
Speaker 4: to kind of let the one in on our experience,
Speaker 4: and you know they can do with that, you know
Speaker 4: what they what they.
Speaker 1: Will, so yeah, yeah, for sure. So yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get over to that meditation. We didn't do the meditation
Speaker 1: last time. We didn't have the time first of all.
Speaker 1: Plus I was shooting in Shawn's daughter's room and she
Speaker 1: had to go to sleep that night. That's why we
Speaker 1: did and shoot. That's why we didn't shoot a longer
Speaker 1: episode and why we didn't meditate. So we're gonna get
Speaker 1: back to the meditation tonight, which I'm actually really looking
Speaker 1: forward to. I could use a little meditation in my life.
Speaker 4: I don't think I've needed a meditation more than I
Speaker 4: do as of late.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, big time.
Speaker 4: Let's go there.
Speaker 1: Hayden said, we can agree or we can disagree and
Speaker 1: still be homies. People's these people these days befriend people
Speaker 1: just because they don't agree with them. What a shame.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy, It is so crazy.
Speaker 4: Whatever you're afraid to hear something that just goes against
Speaker 4: your belief system. I feel like if you're constantly just
Speaker 4: being told that your beliefs are correct, and then you
Speaker 4: have nothing to challenge. You know, if I hear somebody
Speaker 4: say something I've never heard anybody say before, I'm interested.
Speaker 4: I want to hear what this guy has to say,
Speaker 4: you know, or anybody. Really, that's how you learn. And
Speaker 4: maybe you hear something and it's like, oh, well I
Speaker 4: don't really like that, that sounds like bullshit. Okay, that's
Speaker 4: fine too. But to constantly just be reaffirmed of what
Speaker 4: you already know, I don't. I don't think there's growth there, so.
Speaker 1: Non a real not at all. It's it turns into
Speaker 1: an echo chamber at that point, and that's not good.
Speaker 1: That's not good for growth for anybody. You know, if
Speaker 1: if you if, if all you want is just to
Speaker 1: be around people who agree with everything you say, why
Speaker 1: don't you just hang out with yourself all day? There's
Speaker 1: no reason to even put yourself around anybody else. Mm hmmm, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Skunky said later on, got a plane flight
Speaker 1: in the morning. Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Thanksgiving to everybody. Yeah dude,
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're gonna get over the meditation. I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly where we're gonna be going yet, but look,
Speaker 1: if you want to be able to join in on
Speaker 1: the meditation regularly, our live shows are every Wednesday night
Speaker 1: at nine pm Central. This was kind of like an
Speaker 1: emergency type of episode. We normally would shoot it on
Speaker 1: a Wednesday. We Satay shooting on a Saturday Saturday this time.
Speaker 1: So what that means is is that we have another
Speaker 1: live show in four days.
Speaker 4: So that's fun.
Speaker 3: You go.
Speaker 1: So if you want to be a part of that,
Speaker 1: and you want to be able to join in on
Speaker 1: the meditations and be able to type in a message
Speaker 1: to the show. Maybe you want to be able to
Speaker 1: unmute yourself. Maybe you have a question. A lot of
Speaker 1: times we'll have a guest on these live shows, and
Speaker 1: we have a lot of amazing guests coming up. I
Speaker 1: promise you like the level of guests that we have
Speaker 1: coming onto this show, you're gonna be like, how did
Speaker 1: these guys get these people? It's just because this show
Speaker 1: is awesome and people see that and you know it's
Speaker 1: gonna do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just sick, but it's long for at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's made up from the support of the
Speaker 1: one out there. So we just want to say thank
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Speaker 1: able to see all the video, You'll be able to interact,
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Speaker 1: always on the spot with those messages, so it's the
Speaker 1: best way to be able to support the show. And
Speaker 1: we really appreciate everybody. But uh, Sean, any closing words
Speaker 1: for you, sir before we get to meditating.
Speaker 4: Man, I just feel like some weight has been lifted. Man.
Speaker 4: I feel like, uh, I don't know. I'm just really
Speaker 4: grateful for for everything, for the one, for you know,
Speaker 4: my family, everything around me. I'm just very fucking grateful man.
Speaker 4: And and yeah, I couldn't have done it without you,
Speaker 4: John than without you the one. You know, this has
Speaker 4: just been already just a fun experience and and it's
Speaker 4: it's only gonna get better, man. So I'm just looking
Speaker 4: forward to the journey.
Speaker 1: It is only going to get better from here on out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like I said, we're gonna get over the
Speaker 1: to that meditation. But until next time, if the shadow
Speaker 1: came here and it's I got you anything, it's that
Speaker 1: you don't know what you don't know, But I don't
Speaker 1: just get.
Speaker 4: Weird, ay weird?
Speaker 1: All right? For the one joining us here on this meditation,
Speaker 1: Sean suggested a guided meditation, which we love those. I'm
Speaker 1: never going to turn down a guided meditation. Those are
Speaker 1: a guided meditation is the closest thing you can get
Speaker 1: to like a past life progression. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: they actually have past life progression guided meditations which are
Speaker 1: really great, that's u. And they have ones that are
Speaker 1: very open ended to where you're thinking, oh, I'm only
Speaker 1: experiencing this because they guided me there. And then you
Speaker 1: like look back over you know the words that were said,
Speaker 1: and you're like, they didn't say nothing about me getting
Speaker 1: onto a box car with three other people back in
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty or anything like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's just weird, the the you know where your mind
Speaker 1: can take you with a few suggestions, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's all this is really about. So this one is
Speaker 1: actually going to be by our favorite YouTube meditation channel ever,
Speaker 1: and that is by Great Meditation. This one is actually
Speaker 1: for getting back on track guided meditation for passion and purpose.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a solid one. It's only eleven
Speaker 1: minutes long, so we will get started here in just
Speaker 1: a minute. But uh, I'm excited. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: this one. It says, obviously, don't listen to this while
Speaker 1: you're driving. You should never listen to any kind of
Speaker 1: meditative music while you're driving anyway. Oh hold up, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I got mine too. We got the mind
Speaker 1: fold up in here. All right, we're gonna get started
Speaker 1: here in three two one. Let go.
Speaker 3: Begin by inviting your body to get as cozy as
Speaker 3: it wishes at this time, allowing any muscles you do
Speaker 3: not need to use right now to release and relax,
Speaker 3: including the muscles in your face and shaw. Inviting gravity
Speaker 3: in to take over, and you surrender to the weight
Speaker 3: of gravity, letting it coax you into relaxation, letting it
Speaker 3: remind you that you are anchored here to the earth.
Speaker 3: You are already held. You can tell all of your
Speaker 3: muscles it's safe to let go. It's safe to relax
Speaker 3: as you let your breath be soft and gentle, air
Speaker 3: moving as freely as it wishes through you, and you
Speaker 3: appreciating each sip of air as the miraculous and free
Speaker 3: nourishment it is and provides. Feel how the air all
Speaker 3: around you is always there for you, always ready to
Speaker 3: nurture you at a moment's notice, never demanding anything of you.
Speaker 3: Invite your nervous system to remember. They then invite the
Speaker 3: nervous system to perceive how deeply supported it is by
Speaker 3: the breath. As you get even more curious about how
Speaker 3: you can become even more relaxed now letting yourself simply
Speaker 3: be the witness to you, becoming aware of your awareness
Speaker 3: of you in this moment, there's nothing you can do,
Speaker 3: judge or change. Your only rule is to simply allow
Speaker 3: to exist and to observe whatever is. What if by
Speaker 3: you merely allowing what is, you give yourself the true
Speaker 3: present of simply being whatever you are. On your next exhale,
Speaker 3: send the following affirmation throughout your body, I am free
Speaker 3: to exist as I am, and on the next exhale,
Speaker 3: affirming it is safe to be me. Continuing to breathe
Speaker 3: at your own pace, on your next exhale, affirming I
Speaker 3: can be myself in all scenarios. As you continue to
Speaker 3: let yourself breathe however feels best, moment by moment, and
Speaker 3: breath by breath, you invite yourself to let go even
Speaker 3: more just being present with the sensations that are up
Speaker 3: for you right now, observing yourself as the observer without
Speaker 3: judgment nor attachment. And as you relax in this, you
Speaker 3: let the following ask formations move through you trusting and
Speaker 3: knowing that with each question you perceive, you naturally align
Speaker 3: with the answer instantly. What can I create today that
Speaker 3: is and will be truly magical for me? How may
Speaker 3: I align more holy and perfectly with my own unique
Speaker 3: divine purpose, not only in this moment, but in all moments.
Speaker 3: How may I feel whole and complete within myself right
Speaker 3: here and now? What if it is not only possible
Speaker 3: that I am already in alignment with the highest and best,
Speaker 3: most loving timeline for me? But what if today I
Speaker 3: can actively observe and find evidence of this in every
Speaker 3: breath and everywhere I go and everything I do. How
Speaker 3: is it possible that I cannot seem to separate myself
Speaker 3: from my own perfect path and purpose? How come I
Speaker 3: am a magnet for such immense amounts of light and love?
Speaker 3: Now just mask and feelings of gratitude knowing that your
Speaker 3: highest self has all of these answers already all around you,
Speaker 3: within you and every cell of your being, wrapping you
Speaker 3: up in your own greatest, unique purpose. And whenever you
Speaker 3: truly feel ready to come out of this practice, do
Speaker 3: so by taking your time, only allowing your eyes to
Speaker 3: gently open when you feel ready. Great job today. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much for being here, Thank you for all
Speaker 3: that you are.
Speaker 1: Let's go. That was solid, dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah man, I needed that. Man, I really did, Like,
Speaker 4: no bullshit, It like my whole body just feels a
Speaker 4: bit better. Like I feel like I've had this underlying
Speaker 4: tone of just angst, you know, and like I was
Speaker 4: able to just like just release that. Man.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been this weird, this weird feeling of being
Speaker 1: unaligned actually, and I feel like with that one because
Speaker 1: it had been a while since we meditated now probably shit,
Speaker 1: probably more than a week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, since since last probably Thursday or Friday or whatever
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that was really nice to actually feel
Speaker 1: that again. And I'm gonna be like, so in the beginning,
Speaker 1: it was actually pretty difficult for me to try and
Speaker 1: get anywhere with it because I felt like detached, you know,
Speaker 1: and like not connected like how I normally am. And
Speaker 1: you know, it took a little while, but then, like
Speaker 1: really towards the end is whenever I started like settling
Speaker 1: into the meditation and whenever she was talking doing the
Speaker 1: affirmations like why does all this stuff magnetize itself to
Speaker 1: me and stuff like that, and which I think those
Speaker 1: affirmations are actually really good. But whenever, you know, and
Speaker 1: then I started to repeat the affirmations in my mind, Dude,
Speaker 1: the craziest thing started to happen. So first of all, dude,
Speaker 1: getting you a mindfold is next level for meditation. We
Speaker 1: don't have we don't have any affiliations with them, but
Speaker 1: highly suggest everybody gets one. Takes the meditation to the
Speaker 1: next fucking level, you know, talk about like deprivation. It's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was really cool. But what started to
Speaker 1: happen and I barely started to notice it, and then
Speaker 1: whenever I did notice that, I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: is that really happening. I felt like normally, like whenever
Speaker 1: you get into meditation, at least for me, I started
Speaker 1: to get the spins. And they say, that's like a
Speaker 1: little Cundalini going on, right, like Condelini yoga or Kindelini energy,
Speaker 1: energy that's building up inside of you, the snake that
Speaker 1: is coiling upward, right. But for this one, it was
Speaker 1: really strange. It was like my consciousness was going, you know,
Speaker 1: like forward and backwards and forward and backwards, and it
Speaker 1: was so strange and it almost reminded me so earlier,
Speaker 1: just earlier today, I was pushing my son on the
Speaker 1: swing and it reminded me of like it was like
Speaker 1: my face, my consciousness that is in my face was
Speaker 1: being pushed on the swing. I wasn't even thinking about that,
Speaker 1: it just started to happen. So weird.
Speaker 4: That's awesome, dude. It's interesting how the things that you experience,
Speaker 4: you know, outwardly kind of seemed to find their way
Speaker 4: into your internal goings on, you know what I mean
Speaker 4: with the meditation, And it's like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: so weird because of course it works that way. You know,
Speaker 4: your inner world seems to project outwardly, you know, and
Speaker 4: you start to see certain things depending on how you're
Speaker 4: feeling or depending on what failure you claimed you you know,
Speaker 4: were responsible for whatever it is. And so of course
Speaker 4: the outside world is going to seep into your meditation
Speaker 4: when you when you choose to look inward.
Speaker 1: You know, why don't we Yeah, yeah, yeah dude. And
Speaker 1: that's the crazy thing is that even with a ten
Speaker 1: or eleven minute meditation completely changes your vibe and probably
Speaker 1: the rest of your day, you know. And they say
Speaker 1: that like like if you meditate, like right before you
Speaker 1: go to sleep, or an hour or so before you
Speaker 1: go to sleep, you're more likely to remember your dreams.
Speaker 4: I believe that. I believe that, and I think I
Speaker 4: think it's also interesting too, Like if you do a
Speaker 4: meditation in the morning, which I feel like at some
Speaker 4: point I'm gonna have the time to be able to
Speaker 4: just wake up and and do that. But I imagine
Speaker 4: after a meditation, just like experiencing how your body feels
Speaker 4: right now, just so so chilled out right. Imagine, and
Speaker 4: something happening to you, like let's say you're on your
Speaker 4: way to work. Let's say you stop to get gased,
Speaker 4: somebody pulls out in front of you, or or whatever,
Speaker 4: whatever situation it is, how much better you're going to
Speaker 4: be able to interact with that situation just having that
Speaker 4: that baseline kind of dropped a little lower, so you
Speaker 4: have so much more room to play with before you
Speaker 4: start to get agitated or who knows what the situation
Speaker 4: could be, you know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, getting so invaluable tool for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you will probably the most slept on thing out
Speaker 1: there for sure. But yeah, all right, guys, well I
Speaker 1: think we're going to boog you up out of here,
Speaker 1: Like I said, if you want to reach out for
Speaker 1: a past life progression, just go ahead. Feel free to
Speaker 1: email us metamistics at yahoo dot com, or you can
Speaker 1: hit us up on Patreon. Sean answers all the Patreon messages.
Speaker 1: But if you send something over there, he'll relay it
Speaker 1: to me and we'll be able to set something up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we appreciate you coming to hang out with us.
Speaker 1: This was a lot of fun and a bunch of
Speaker 1: great guests coming up. Actually, let me give you a
Speaker 1: little taste of what we got coming up because it's
Speaker 1: gonna be so sick. So let's see this upcoming Monday,
Speaker 1: getting your boy, the Big Grimbowski coming back on the show.
Speaker 4: We we're just talking about wanting to talk about ghosties too.
Speaker 1: You know, yes, yes, love him and he is like
Speaker 1: he goes out ghost hunting, goes out into cemeteries and
Speaker 1: he takes his uh, the little radio.
Speaker 4: What is it called again? Oh I forget the Oh
Speaker 4: I forget what that's called. The spirit box.
Speaker 1: The spirit box. Yeah, it takes a spirit box. He
Speaker 1: gets weird with it, and that's what we love. Love
Speaker 1: that kind of shit.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be really fascinating too, to really get into
Speaker 4: his understanding of things, you know, because there's only so
Speaker 4: much you can understand not actually going out and experiencing
Speaker 4: it for yourself, you know. And so he's actually in
Speaker 4: that world. So I'd really like to see kind of
Speaker 4: what he thinks about it, what's going on, what's actually
Speaker 4: what does he think is actually happening when when that
Speaker 4: spirit box starts chattering away? You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's he's a fascinating guy. And he's such
Speaker 1: a good dude too, Yes, So love those kind of people.
Speaker 1: If you're into the ghosties and the paranormal, that'll be
Speaker 1: one that you definitely want to check into. Another one
Speaker 1: is actually somebody who has just recently started to get
Speaker 1: big as far as you know, the things that he's
Speaker 1: been talking about. If anybody wants to go check out
Speaker 1: his name on on Instagram is Huffy Underscore two two seven.
Speaker 1: This guy is an absolute like he looks like a
Speaker 1: shaman and I'm gonna just say that his messages definitely
Speaker 1: live up to that. So he is freaking awesome, So
Speaker 1: we're gonna be having him on. He's all about the
Speaker 1: oneness and all the the like. Dude, he's real with it,
Speaker 1: and so he actually reminds me a lot of optimistic.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh good, So.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a really fun conversation. That's actually gonna
Speaker 1: be the live show where we're gonna be having him
Speaker 1: U December one. Oh, we're going to be getting into
Speaker 1: the human resonances with Aaron Brown. She's so she's awesome, love.
Speaker 4: Her, absolutely necessary. I still don't understand it. So we
Speaker 4: need that.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then December, when is that? December fourth, We're going
Speaker 1: to be having the Lights over Loveland, So a lot
Speaker 1: of amazing, amazing individual is going to be coming on.
Speaker 1: We got human resonances, we got you know, paranormal activity,
Speaker 1: we got alien talk with the Lights over Loveland, a
Speaker 1: bunch of amazing guests that are going to be coming on.
Speaker 1: And that's what we want to be able to provide
Speaker 1: for the one. We're not just sticking on one topic.
Speaker 1: We want to touch on it all, you know, And
Speaker 1: I think that's the right way to go about it.
Speaker 4: That's where we're going, man, So I hope it is.
Speaker 1: Oh. Ben said, hell yeah, I can't wait. Just spend
Speaker 1: five hours in the cemetery today. Did you bring a
Speaker 1: spirit box?
Speaker 2: Ben?
Speaker 4: The spirit box? At that point, you know what I
Speaker 4: mean just tap it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've and i've oh, he said, I wish you
Speaker 1: know I've heard that. You know, it's just a theory.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never messed around with a spirit box,
Speaker 1: but I've heard people say what's going on with a
Speaker 1: spirit box is that you're almost imprinting your own energy
Speaker 1: and it's somehow being manifested and then picked up with
Speaker 1: the spirit box. So I don't know, maybe that's what's
Speaker 1: going on. I especially after this last you know, last weekend,
Speaker 1: I'm almost starting to think that there be some spirits around,
Speaker 1: you know. I think it only makes sense.
Speaker 4: My daughter likes to watch Sam and Colby, love them.
Speaker 4: They've been doing like there's this one where they went
Speaker 4: to like the I don't know if it was the
Speaker 4: Conjuring House or was one of those more famous like properties.
Speaker 4: And the way that they were the tour guides whatever
Speaker 4: we're doing, like this divination type thing where they were
Speaker 4: holding hands and she would say ABC, and then they
Speaker 4: would be a like a knock okay, and then she
Speaker 4: would restart and then there would be another knock and
Speaker 4: it would spell out shit and the things that this
Speaker 4: spirit or who knows what that's divination. Well, yeah, that's
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. They were doing divination and they had
Speaker 4: some information on Sam or Colby, which I get them
Speaker 4: mixed up. But he started crying, dude, like he was
Speaker 4: having a real visceral reaction to this thing, knowing things
Speaker 4: that nobody knows, probably not even his his co host
Speaker 4: is awhere, you know what I mean. That was like
Speaker 4: a very personal thing, and so I don't know, man,
Speaker 4: who knows.
Speaker 1: Dude, you want to talk about ghost hunting shows? That
Speaker 1: Sam and Colby YouTube show is top notch ghost hunting.
Speaker 1: There is nothing better. I have not found anything that's
Speaker 1: any better than them.
Speaker 4: They went to the catacombs or whatever where there's like
Speaker 4: a bunch of skeletons and bones and shit, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: holy shit, you know, So that'd be cool to get
Speaker 4: them on just to kind of, you know, see what
Speaker 4: they know, Like what do you think, because you know,
Speaker 4: once you get involved in something like meditation, for example,
Speaker 4: like I am understanding things about meditation I never even
Speaker 4: would have thought of, but because I'm actually doing it,
Speaker 4: I understand things that are just like the subtleties, things
Speaker 4: that you wouldn't even think was involved. You know, when it.
Speaker 4: I just wonder what things they've experienced and come to
Speaker 4: understand because they're immersed, you know they're they're.
Speaker 1: Doing, dude, they're the best in the game. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be we're gonna manifest that. They're definitely gonna
Speaker 1: come on Metal one of these days for sure, because
Speaker 1: they are the goats of ghost hunting. There's and it's
Speaker 1: not even close. Matter of fact, I'm gonna watch that tonight,
Speaker 1: yeah dude. So yeah, a bunch of great, great, amazing
Speaker 1: guests coming up here in the future. We're only going
Speaker 1: to keep on spreading our metal wings and trying to
Speaker 1: reach out to even more and more awesome people as
Speaker 1: we grow.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: So, thank you for following us on this journey. Thank
Speaker 1: you for supporting us on this journey. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: We love you so much for that. And uh, we'll
Speaker 1: see you Wednesday here in just four.
Speaker 4: Days, dude, I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, so uh, we love you and we'll
Speaker 1: see you on the flip side. The Small Farmer
Speaker 3: Comp