Speaker 1: And nine, Ignition five or three two one zero Engine running.
Speaker 2: It's Wednesday. You know what that means.
Speaker 3: It's time for Ignition with the aw fat Hub podcast
Speaker 3: team and community. We're going to be talking about some
Speaker 3: aw hot topics and of course tonight we've got aw
Speaker 3: Dynamite from Chicago Hangman, Adam Page and John Moxley rematch
Speaker 3: for the AAW World Championship.
Speaker 2: Guys, what needs to happen here?
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you expect to happen tonight on
Speaker 3: Dynamite and maybe in the next few weeks leading up
Speaker 3: maybe Forbidden Door.
Speaker 2: What needs to happen?
Speaker 4: I got stuff?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, they'll keep us a suspense.
Speaker 5: To chime in.
Speaker 3: Did you just want to George? Do you just want
Speaker 3: to show us your stuff?
Speaker 4: Yo? I was actually just fantasy booking this.
Speaker 3: Let go.
Speaker 4: Okay, here is my Here is my grand plan. Number
Speaker 4: one Moxley Number one. Moxley is not going to win
Speaker 4: this match. Anybody who is worried about Moxley winning this
Speaker 4: match can rest easy because that's probably not not what
Speaker 4: is going to happen. Also, this match is going to
Speaker 4: kick ass because their chemistry is amazing. Moxley was actually
Speaker 4: saying in an interview that how much how great it
Speaker 4: was working with Hangman, because, like he was saying that
Speaker 4: he likes to do audibles the ring a lot, and
Speaker 4: Hangmail was just like catching onto everyone he was spitting out.
Speaker 4: So yeah, good chemistry is always a plus, and this
Speaker 4: is going to be great to see. But I think
Speaker 4: this is what it's going to take for Max to
Speaker 4: realize that, yes, this is a worthy champion, and maybe
Speaker 4: the Death Riders mission is over and they can disband now.
Speaker 4: But that might not sit well with the Death Riders,
Speaker 4: especially a certain Death writer who has not been present
Speaker 4: for a while. I think Pac might come back and
Speaker 4: maybe oust Mox from his own group.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: Well, I have not heard any kind of updates on
Speaker 3: Pack and his injury status, so that may very well
Speaker 3: be true. Yeah, don't forget tomorrow night or tonight's match.
Speaker 3: Everybody he's barred from. Everybody's barred from the ring except
Speaker 3: for the referee. I've heard suggestions that the referee may
Speaker 3: not be Bryce Rebsburg or Aubrey Edwards and maybe somebody
Speaker 3: else mm hmmm, anybody else on this match go ahead.
Speaker 5: I have an idea. I think that Eddie Kingston is
Speaker 5: coming back for I do I think this is his moment.
Speaker 5: He's gonna come back and he's gonna interfere and get
Speaker 5: involved in the title picture.
Speaker 6: I think so, Nah, he can't get The only way
Speaker 6: he could come back and get wait a minute, the
Speaker 6: only way he get involved in it he is the
Speaker 6: surprise referee because you can't be at the ring side.
Speaker 7: This is gonna be one of those matches where they're
Speaker 7: not gonna let people out there.
Speaker 5: Why can't he be the referee? He can an he
Speaker 5: can come running out there.
Speaker 2: He probably be a referee.
Speaker 3: Does does anybody think that something may happen before the batch?
Speaker 7: I think it'll happen after the match. I think I
Speaker 7: think when Max loses, I think that the uh. I
Speaker 7: think the death Riders are going to I don't think
Speaker 7: you're gonna beat them up. I just think they're going
Speaker 7: to kind of shake their heads and walk away from war.
Speaker 8: So I was chatting with with Jess in the in
Speaker 8: the channel today on the Fantasy booking, and I think
Speaker 8: both kind of what Kelson teed up there and what
Speaker 8: Jess teed.
Speaker 1: Up there, maybe the way they.
Speaker 8: Run it Kelson with with your prompt there, what if
Speaker 8: something happens before. I think that's the exact scheming, conniving
Speaker 8: way that Death Writers would take advantage of this. Since
Speaker 8: they're barred from ringside, they try to take Hanger out
Speaker 8: before the match, and then he gets dragged to the
Speaker 8: ring by Mox or whatever. You don't even need a
Speaker 8: fake rough at that point. Hanger's already, you know, behind
Speaker 8: the eight ball. And then just to your point.
Speaker 3: I I you agree.
Speaker 8: I think Mox needs to lose this, and I think
Speaker 8: this needs to start kind of closure of this chapter
Speaker 8: of the Death Writers, or possibly the final act of
Speaker 8: this whole storyline, and that I do think that if
Speaker 8: he loses again, the death Writers need to call him out.
Speaker 8: They followed him, they believed in him, and he's lost
Speaker 8: twice in a row now, and for him to say
Speaker 8: they're done or whatever, I think they turn on him,
Speaker 8: get rid of him right. Max off TV for a while.
Speaker 8: I think he's earned a vacation finally, And I think
Speaker 8: when he's off screen, you do some vignettes, and that's
Speaker 8: how you ease Eddie Beck into it. I was mentioning,
Speaker 8: you know, you have Mox at home. You can do
Speaker 8: vignettes of him questioning who he is am I man enough?
Speaker 8: You know, I let the promotion down. He feels like
Speaker 8: maybe Hangar still isn't worthwhile, and he's really down on
Speaker 8: the dumps. And Eddie's the one that knocks on the
Speaker 8: door and says, hey, bro, we need to talk, and
Speaker 8: that starts. That starts that redemption tour for him, so
Speaker 8: he can come back and maybe he's convinced to right
Speaker 8: some of the wrongs he did in aaw during his
Speaker 8: death writer's run you can you can milk this for
Speaker 8: a while and have him come back as a as
Speaker 8: a as a good face and another good story.
Speaker 3: I want to say something about I want to say
Speaker 3: something about Eddie here because let's space facts. Okay, He's
Speaker 3: been out with a broken leg and uh and and
Speaker 3: I moniscous, right. I believe he had the wait for
Speaker 3: one thing to heal before he had the other thing.
Speaker 3: And he is not in good shape. If he he
Speaker 3: may very well come back as a referee.
Speaker 2: He is not.
Speaker 3: He is. I make a prediction he is never going
Speaker 3: to be in wrestling shape again, well so to speak,
Speaker 3: wrestling shape again for Eddie.
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, but I think he may be
Speaker 8: right Kelson, the injury to his need is severe enough
Speaker 8: that the bumping and the stuff he could do before Eddie,
Speaker 8: Eddie's position in the industry probably could change, could very
Speaker 8: well change. And that's kind of why I was suggesting,
Speaker 8: you know, easing him in with vignettes, because you bring
Speaker 8: him right out. He's cold, he hasn't taken any bump,
Speaker 8: he hasn't been in the ring. You can ease and
Speaker 8: back in through storylines, which gives them more than enough
Speaker 8: time to recover and figure out where he's going to
Speaker 8: fit into the new scheme of things going forward. Whether
Speaker 8: that's a personality kind of like m VP that occasionally
Speaker 8: does some some ships and giggles matches, or you know,
Speaker 8: is he going to be able to go and get
Speaker 8: back in the ring full time? That allows them that
Speaker 8: flexibility as well. I'm working his character back in TV.
Speaker 3: Just just asking my straightforward who's winning this match tomorrow
Speaker 3: night or tonight? Definitely? Yeah. I mean if hak Man
Speaker 3: doesn't win, we riot everybody with me. Let's get your
Speaker 3: pitchworks and your torches ready.
Speaker 8: I think this match is kind of signaling to the
Speaker 8: fans too, you know, this is going to be two
Speaker 8: losses in a row. I do it feels to me like,
Speaker 8: this is tony and creative saying, Okay, we're just letting
Speaker 8: everybody know we've been listening.
Speaker 1: This is the end of.
Speaker 8: That that arc for the Yeah, it's gonna be something new.
Speaker 8: That's that's what this feels like when you're doing this
Speaker 8: back to back, Especially if Hanger gets two wins in
Speaker 8: a row, which he needs to, Like, there's no way
Speaker 8: they give Mocks that win and put the belt on it.
Speaker 8: That would just evaporate all the good will they built up.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, especially that big roar that you heard it
Speaker 3: all in and you can't you can't squash that that
Speaker 3: that would be the all time That would be an
Speaker 3: all time dumb move.
Speaker 1: And they're not hot enough to take a risk like that.
Speaker 1: They're not. They can't, they're not hot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: The only one I have with what you said, Barry
Speaker 7: is that you guys are forgetting about the Darby situation.
Speaker 7: They're not gonna they're not gonna end anything with the
Speaker 7: death ridsun till Darby gets his revenge. And I think
Speaker 7: that will be the final nail in the coffin, so
Speaker 7: to speak, because.
Speaker 3: You know is he likes to.
Speaker 7: Have finishes to things that get started and Darby getting
Speaker 7: thrown down the stairs. You gotta finish that. He's got
Speaker 7: to have some revenge.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you can go a couple of different ways with that.
Speaker 8: When you if we're winding down the death rids, kind
Speaker 8: of like what I was saying is they they turn
Speaker 8: on Mox after he loses again, and then those guys
Speaker 8: get their come up and from Darby and others that
Speaker 8: they've screwed over because they're they're leaderless or whatever.
Speaker 1: You can. You can definitely wrap up those threads too,
Speaker 1: and still and still get rid of Mox and.
Speaker 7: I agree Forbidden Door and yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah that works.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Look, we'll see tonight what happens, and we'll be back,
Speaker 3: of course after Dynamite tonight for all the talk, and
Speaker 3: we're certainly going to talk about it. But I want
Speaker 3: to move on because Mercedes Monet picked up two more belts,
Speaker 3: the prime Time Wrestling Belt World Championship or Women's World
Speaker 3: Championship and the best Ya Women's World Championship. Bestia is
Speaker 3: a new UH organization out of Italy, so she is
Speaker 3: the inaugural champion for that UH and Primetime Wrestling is
Speaker 3: out of Poland UH. She defeated Diana Strong and Poland
Speaker 3: on Sunday. She did against Sapphire read on Friday defend
Speaker 3: both the I'll Dispute a British Championship and the Quita
Speaker 3: Southside Belt successfully in Wolverhampton. So we've been a busy
Speaker 3: weekend in two different countries for Mercedes Monette. The question is,
Speaker 3: how do you guys speel about Mercedes Monet having these
Speaker 3: eight belts now? Yet? In the long term or short term?
Speaker 3: Is it a good or a bad thing?
Speaker 4: It's getting to be a little much. I mean at
Speaker 4: this point she's going to need a blinged out radio
Speaker 4: flyer to carry all of her titles around with her.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, she did put a ad out on Twitter.
Speaker 3: I don't know if his tongue or tungue in cheek,
Speaker 3: but she wanted somebody that could come follow her around
Speaker 3: carrying her belts and must live an Orlando So if
Speaker 3: you want a job for with Mercedes Monett, look her
Speaker 3: up on Twitter, look up that post and respond to me.
Speaker 8: I do live here in Orlando. I exercise regularly. I
Speaker 8: think I'm pretty strong. I could probably carry her belts.
Speaker 3: Burn There you go, we'll be seeing Berry on TV
Speaker 3: toting around. Uh. Just remember that you know a lot
Speaker 3: of gold her Well, Luther used to have that job,
Speaker 3: but somehow, some way, his penis got detached. So keep
Speaker 3: that in mind. You may not want to take that job.
Speaker 1: He just yanked it right off right, It just came
Speaker 1: right out.
Speaker 2: I don't know, out of frustration.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: What does anybody else?
Speaker 3: What is it? What are more thoughts about this Mercedes
Speaker 3: Monet with eight belts again?
Speaker 2: Is it a good thing or is it a bad thing?
Speaker 3: I think it's a bad thing.
Speaker 7: You can't you you're stretching yourself way out too thin.
Speaker 7: You can't defend those I mean, she she barely defends
Speaker 7: the TBS title, and you know she's how many times
Speaker 7: has she defended the other titles? Like once every She's
Speaker 7: defending a title like once every three months. She's to me,
Speaker 7: it's just she's holding down those companies women's divisions because
Speaker 7: you have somebody that has all the belts and she's
Speaker 7: not giving them matches.
Speaker 1: So what's the point in having the belts?
Speaker 3: Well, one thing to point out here is that other
Speaker 3: than Rev. Prou there really isn't a women's division on
Speaker 3: any of these companies. So just keep that in mind.
Speaker 8: I think it's great. I'm gonna disagree with something a
Speaker 8: little bit on this not and I'll just disagree a
Speaker 8: little bit. I think it's great because he's giving the
Speaker 8: rub to promotions lineages that would never have a name
Speaker 8: like this, and I think that's great. I don't think
Speaker 8: she needs to be worried about being spread too thin
Speaker 8: because these promotions aren't running monthly, they're not running a
Speaker 8: whole lot, and if she needs to go back, I'm
Speaker 8: sure they've worked out something where this is going somewhere
Speaker 8: and she's going to drop a belt at some weight
Speaker 8: back to them. But I think it's great. I don't
Speaker 8: think we've seen a named star wars indies like this
Speaker 8: and give small promotions the rub. She's clearly wanted to
Speaker 8: wrestle around the world in a bunch of different countries.
Speaker 8: My guess is she's probably got a list of countries
Speaker 8: she wants to perform in, and if she can give
Speaker 8: those promotions a rub with the belt, they'll work something out.
Speaker 8: I think, though, to sutten your point, it is going
Speaker 8: to hit a point where it becomes annoying, and I'm
Speaker 8: I think that actually may be what they're working towards
Speaker 8: and for her character. It feels like a collapse of
Speaker 8: everything is kind of what that next chapter needs to
Speaker 8: be so that we can see her hit rock bottom
Speaker 8: after just failing to get to the mountaintop. But I
Speaker 8: think it's a lot of fun. It can get long
Speaker 8: in the tooth and too. Sun's point there is that
Speaker 8: that is a legitimate concern if it carries on without
Speaker 8: any direction that in the time being, I think it's
Speaker 8: I think it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Anybody else with an opinion on this before I express mine? Well, look,
Speaker 3: on Friday, she defended Mercedes, Monday defended against Sapphire Reid,
Speaker 3: a wrestler that I had never heard of before. And
Speaker 3: then on Sunday she won the championships, the two championships
Speaker 3: in a match against Diana Strong, another wrestler I had
Speaker 3: never heard of before, a wrestler by the way, who
Speaker 3: grew up idolizing Sasha Banks. And I don't know if
Speaker 3: you saw the video, but after the match there were
Speaker 3: a lot of tears from Diana Strong because she realized
Speaker 3: she just got to wrestle her idol and that's important.
Speaker 3: Let's look at it this way. Don't even think of
Speaker 3: the championships. This woman, Mercedes Monette is traveling around the world,
Speaker 3: and it'll be It would be one thing if she
Speaker 3: was going into these arenas wrestling a match, leaving in
Speaker 3: the arena and going home. She's spending all day meeting fans,
Speaker 3: greeting fans, talking to fans before and after the matches,
Speaker 3: and she's not leaving the next day. She's sticking around
Speaker 3: and she's doing stuff in the cities, making herself visible.
Speaker 3: This may mean nothing right now to any of us,
Speaker 3: but ten years from now, when people women start coming in,
Speaker 3: these twenty one year old, twenty two to twenty three
Speaker 3: year old women are coming into a w and they're saying,
Speaker 3: I'm here because Mercedes Monette made me want to be here.
Speaker 3: That's what's going to be the big thing. It's the
Speaker 3: long term that I'm looking at. You know. By the way,
Speaker 3: Mercedes Monet is a schedule I believe for September to
Speaker 3: go to Italy to defend her new Vestia Women's World Championship. Hey, look,
Speaker 3: she's the inaugural championship. They really don't have a division.
Speaker 3: If you're if you want to make some make your
Speaker 3: shows mean something, you're like one of your first shows
Speaker 3: ever having Mercedes Monet in It is a pretty damn
Speaker 3: smart move just putting it out there.
Speaker 8: You know, Kelson AW is really focusing on international branding
Speaker 8: as well. They do really well when they go overseas.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't be shocked if some of this is also
Speaker 8: to build that that that Goodwill ambassador brand type of
Speaker 8: stuff for AW with a lot of these these other
Speaker 8: countries that if they do a show in Germany or
Speaker 8: they do a show in France or whatever somewhere in
Speaker 8: the EU, that they can travel to. It makes a
Speaker 8: lot of sense because it's just a train ride. Hey,
Speaker 8: let's go catch that AW show. So and so remember
Speaker 8: when they came to town and Mercedes wrestl.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 8: That stuff can matter if you're trying to build a
Speaker 8: brand overseas too.
Speaker 3: Who and again, you know you look at it. It
Speaker 3: was so weird. I watched the Sapphire Reid and Mercedes
Speaker 3: Monet match for the undisputed British World Championship at the
Speaker 3: Southside Queen of Southside Championship and Sapphire Reid is a
Speaker 3: mega heel and so Mercedes Monet went into that match.
Speaker 3: As the babyface said, that was kind of weird to see.
Speaker 3: And then you had her match on Sunday against Diana Strong,
Speaker 3: and Diana Strong put on a wonderful match. I mean,
Speaker 3: they had really good chemistry. You could tell that they
Speaker 3: spent some time, you know, plotting out what was going
Speaker 3: to happen. And already people are like praising Diana Strong,
Speaker 3: and I've seen a bunch of people saying that she
Speaker 3: needs to go right to start him, you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's big, that's a big deal, you know. So again
Speaker 3: that's another byproduct of these shows. I mean, I personally
Speaker 3: see the I've said it many times. I do not
Speaker 3: like people for Eddie Rusler to hold multiple belts, but
Speaker 3: this is a little different because these belts by and
Speaker 3: large are not aw belts. She's only holding the TBS
Speaker 3: Championship in AW and frankly, I think it's putting the
Speaker 3: women's division in a good place, especially, like I said,
Speaker 3: five ten years from now, it's going to make a difference.
Speaker 3: It's going to make a difference, you know, Barry speaking,
Speaker 3: you know, we're talking about in an international matches you
Speaker 3: god Forbidden Door coming up in less what is it
Speaker 3: less than a month now, and and the aw tag
Speaker 3: team tournament is going to be culminating a forbidden Door.
Speaker 3: There's no international teams in this tournament bracket. The only
Speaker 3: thing that really is kind of making any kind of
Speaker 3: news here is the Cracks with MGF and the other
Speaker 3: members of the Hurt Syndicate, who will be defending more
Speaker 3: than likely at Forbidden Door against the winner of this tournament.
Speaker 3: Where do you think this goes? Who do you think
Speaker 3: is going to win this tournament? Right off the top
Speaker 3: of your head.
Speaker 8: It feels like FTR because they're trying to establish them.
Speaker 8: But I also feel like that might be a red
Speaker 8: herring or a swerve to me, if you want to
Speaker 8: reset the Tag Division, you got to get it off
Speaker 8: the Hurt Syndicate because they're just they're too big, if
Speaker 8: that makes sense. They just because aw's athletes tend to
Speaker 8: be smaller. When you bring in the like the Behemoth guys,
Speaker 8: it's fun to see him beat people up, but when
Speaker 8: they're a champion, it's hard to book them to.
Speaker 1: Lose, right, And.
Speaker 8: This tournament feels like a relaunch of the Tag Division,
Speaker 8: like they got all the teams in there we always enjoy,
Speaker 8: you know, And I'm super glad they swapped in juice
Speaker 8: and decided to just keep going with that whatever they
Speaker 8: were going to do with the guns. But I don't know,
Speaker 8: I mean, like any of the other teams other than
Speaker 8: maybe the outrunners. You know, I'm cool with them getting
Speaker 8: a run. I would have been cool with Big Bill
Speaker 8: and Bran keep getting a run too. Like this, this
Speaker 8: tournament feels like a reset to me, and I don't
Speaker 8: really care who wins, just as long as they get
Speaker 8: it off the Hurt Syndicate one way or another. It's
Speaker 8: time to turn the page from them idea.
Speaker 4: Okay, so maybe that's the reason this split is happening
Speaker 4: with MJF and the Hurt Syndicate, Like they're getting over
Speaker 4: his selfishness. They're going to kick him through the curb
Speaker 4: as you know, like turning your back on him, j YEF,
Speaker 4: Him and his fifty megga ton abandonment issues is a
Speaker 4: terrible idea of and he I would, of spite will
Speaker 4: cost them the championships.
Speaker 2: That very well could be anybody else have any ideas.
Speaker 9: I like that a lot because I think that's the
Speaker 9: only way they can lose, because they're so strong that
Speaker 9: the Hurt syndekid.
Speaker 8: I'm worried about a screw job finish making the winners
Speaker 8: look weak. So if they but it makes sense from
Speaker 8: a storyline perspective for MGF to cost them. So if
Speaker 8: they do that, they got to do it with the
Speaker 8: right team who's still got a believable finisher and like
Speaker 8: we buy as a legit champion. So if that's the
Speaker 8: route they take, I feel like they're going to put
Speaker 8: it with FTR then because his former champs, everybody we know,
Speaker 8: they're believable. Even if they get some help the Shadow
Speaker 8: Machine is going to put I still believe the Shadow
Speaker 8: Machine would put Shelton or Bobby out for a three
Speaker 8: either way. So a screwjob finish that leads into a
Speaker 8: shatter machine I'm cool with that. But if it was
Speaker 8: somebody like I don't know, one of the smaller teams
Speaker 8: like I, just the screwjob finished would just make them
Speaker 8: the week. So if they go there ll they gotta
Speaker 8: be careful that and they need the winning team to
Speaker 8: come out looking strong.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The problem that I have with a screwjob finish involving
Speaker 3: MJF is that naturally then you would have Shelton, Benjamin
Speaker 3: and Bobby Lashley going after MJF, and that's actually gonna
Speaker 3: hurt MJF in the long run. He needs to be
Speaker 3: going after, you know, swer Strickland, Hankman, Adam Page, will Ospray.
Speaker 3: He needs to be serting himself back into the World
Speaker 3: Championship and other championships in AW He's one of the
Speaker 3: biggest names in AAW and I'm sorry, but having him
Speaker 3: languishing against Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin and a vengeance,
Speaker 3: I guess is the best way of putting it. Storyline
Speaker 3: was kind of like a waste of time to me.
Speaker 8: What if this is for him to establish a new
Speaker 8: group to help him achieve those goals though, So they
Speaker 8: come after him and he gets back up. That's his
Speaker 8: new group, and that's who he uses to help him
Speaker 8: get back into the main event scene. When he does
Speaker 8: use that contract to cash in, like, you can still
Speaker 8: work it, you can still juice this for a little
Speaker 8: bit and keep him, keep him right up there. I mean,
Speaker 8: he's got that title belt, so you can insert him
Speaker 8: whenever you want.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well you have that you have If they
Speaker 3: do a new group, why not use part of the
Speaker 3: old group.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's built right in now they owe him.
Speaker 1: They owe him right back. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The best way for MGF to screw, hurt syndicate to
Speaker 3: me is for him to do nothing when he has
Speaker 3: an opportunity to do something, Just even pretend like he's
Speaker 3: he wasn't aware that acts Hardwood Hardwood was next to women,
Speaker 3: that he could have taken them out, that kind of thing,
Speaker 3: like an innocent but guilty thing, you know, something that
Speaker 3: I'm so obvious.
Speaker 8: He's good at that on camera too. That's a good call, Kelson, Yeah,
Speaker 8: that's lavable. You can feign ignorance in the MGF way. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I think that's that's clever.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we have the Outrunners against we have
Speaker 3: Outrunners again.
Speaker 2: We have Outrunners against.
Speaker 3: The Young Bucks coming up uh this week, I believe
Speaker 3: right and uh there have been many reports. Even Feifel
Speaker 3: even said it that the Young Books intended on putting
Speaker 3: over the Outrunners several months ago, but it just wasn't
Speaker 3: the right time. I really do think the Outrunners are
Speaker 3: coming out on top of the Young Bucks.
Speaker 7: I think your final is going to be the Outrunners
Speaker 7: versus FTR. They're on the opposite side of each other
Speaker 7: for another rematch to.
Speaker 1: That's a good call. Sting. I agree again.
Speaker 7: I said it last week we talked about this. I
Speaker 7: still think that the MVF and hurt Cindy good thing
Speaker 7: is is a is A is a play. I don't think.
Speaker 7: I don't think the cracks are there yet. I think
Speaker 7: they're playing it up. I don't think they're gonna have
Speaker 7: I don't think whoever wins this tournament's going to beat them.
Speaker 7: I think, and I don't know why, but I think
Speaker 7: that this is gonna come down to They're gonna put
Speaker 7: Cope and uh the patriarchy together and they're going to
Speaker 7: give him a run at them, and they're going to
Speaker 7: win by hooker, by crook and get a short little
Speaker 7: run for the tag titles until Christian and them until
Speaker 7: they retire. I just I just see that coming for
Speaker 7: some reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the one interesting thing is and I
Speaker 3: have to fag, you know, claim ignorance here, but because
Speaker 3: I don't know which title it is, but I believe
Speaker 3: on the first of August MGF is going to CML
Speaker 3: to wrestle for one of their singles championships. I just
Speaker 3: don't know which one it is, and maybe their World championship.
Speaker 3: It may not be, but he is going there. So
Speaker 3: that's another thing.
Speaker 8: What if Mysticico screws him up and that sets him
Speaker 8: against Mystico Forbidden Door and there's your international match.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, that's one of the things about Forbidden Door.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you guys you agree with
Speaker 3: me on this, but there really just doesn't seem to
Speaker 3: be any Forbidden doorsh matches.
Speaker 2: It's Forbiden Door that are even possible, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean they're short, there's some mid cart
Speaker 3: stuff maybe, but nothing really big.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: I was wondering what was gonna happen with that? And
Speaker 5: who's coming through the Forbidden Door. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 5: there's anybody there.
Speaker 1: You feel like this is going to.
Speaker 8: Be one of their short two week builds like they
Speaker 8: did this two years ago where they ran like a
Speaker 8: whole month of programming after whatever the like prior to
Speaker 8: Forbidden Door coming off the other pay per view and
Speaker 8: then did like a two week build to Forbidden Door
Speaker 8: and like that's all we got.
Speaker 1: Nobody came.
Speaker 3: There. Barry. It seemed to me like last year they
Speaker 3: had a one month build up toward Forbidden Door and
Speaker 3: then after Forbid Door they had it going for like
Speaker 3: another two or three weeks. It was like a seven
Speaker 3: It was like a seven week waste of time. Forbidden
Speaker 3: Door to me, you know, I hate being negative toward AW,
Speaker 3: but Forbidden Door to me is a monumental waste of time.
Speaker 3: I've called it the great momentum killer because any moment.
Speaker 3: I love the fact that they're not even talking about
Speaker 3: Forbidden Door right now because they got too much going
Speaker 3: on to worry about that stupid exhibition match thing they
Speaker 3: got going on.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just the way I feel, honestly.
Speaker 8: Forbidden Door, I think feels more like Grand Slam Mexico
Speaker 8: was this year.
Speaker 1: Like it.
Speaker 8: It can be just a showcase. And I thing they
Speaker 8: should run a show in Japan next time. Just run
Speaker 8: the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. They could. They could very
Speaker 3: well do it all women's show, not a Forbidden Door,
Speaker 3: an all women's show in Japan with start of a
Speaker 3: t J p W.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be great, you know, so I'd.
Speaker 8: Like to see that, yeah, because I mean the problem
Speaker 8: with Forbid Door is the concept initially was all these
Speaker 8: dream matches we wouldn't get. But I think we've said before,
Speaker 8: like a lot of that top talent is it's in
Speaker 8: a w now, Yeah, and that next tier of New
Speaker 8: Japan is it's going to take them in that are
Speaker 8: two or three years, you know, guys like Yodasuji and
Speaker 8: them to really get there. And it just doesn't with
Speaker 8: Gabe Kid Hurt, like, yeah, a lot of left you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got the Bull Club war Dogs, you got
Speaker 3: what l L Desperado. Uh Hiroshi is definitely wrestling in
Speaker 3: Forbidden Door. We just don't know against who.
Speaker 1: Zach Saber Junior will show up Xaber Junior.
Speaker 2: And that's that's really all I can think of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, other than Tomahiroe and Minora Suzuki, you
Speaker 3: know and whatever. You know.
Speaker 8: I yeah, ghetto in there. I mean, there's there's some
Speaker 8: guys they can send over. It's just go ahead. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Somebody was talking I'll take a surprise NIGHTO maybe.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think so there. I
Speaker 3: don't think that's possible.
Speaker 1: But the build has been weak to your point, Telson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to move on to something more fun.
Speaker 3: On Collision, we saw Max Caster do his five minute
Speaker 3: open challenge for who can survive the best wrestler alive,
Speaker 3: Anthony Bowen's answered to call, and it was very strange
Speaker 3: because about a minute into the match, the heel and
Speaker 3: babyface lip flopped. Anthony Bowen's is definitely the heel now
Speaker 3: and Max Caster, somehow, some way is now the babyface.
Speaker 3: But just because Max Caster is the babyface does not
Speaker 3: give me any confidence that he's in all of a
Speaker 3: sudden to start surviving these five minute Survive with the
Speaker 3: Best Wrestler Live challenges. And does anybody else think that
Speaker 3: the only solution, the only ending here is for the
Speaker 3: Acclaim to get back together.
Speaker 4: I would like that very much. Look, I'm digging this
Speaker 4: stuff that Max Caster is doing. It's very funny and
Speaker 4: he's pulling it off very well. But I like both
Speaker 4: Max and Anthony, but they're individually, Like the Acclaimed is
Speaker 4: better than the some of its parts, I think, is
Speaker 4: what I was getting at. I'm trying to get at
Speaker 4: that's doesn't it's a magical tag team. The fact that
Speaker 4: they like have like every every week we're able to
Speaker 4: like come up with a rap on the fly that
Speaker 4: was guaranteed to make the crowd go oh, it was
Speaker 4: so much fun. I miss them. Everybody loves the Acclaim.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see like a cheesy deathbed scene with Billy
Speaker 3: Gunn laying in the middle of the ring. You know,
Speaker 3: he gets like a herd elbow, but he over sells it.
Speaker 3: And he's laying there and he grabs Max Caster's hand,
Speaker 3: he grabs Anthony Bowen's hands and he puts them together
Speaker 3: and he says something like love one another, and then
Speaker 3: he faints and he has to be carried out of
Speaker 3: the ring. And the two guys just reformed her bond,
Speaker 3: and everybody in there, you know, the stands and on
Speaker 3: TV cries and you know.
Speaker 4: He puts their scissor fingers together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting Missy Eye just sit here. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of.
Speaker 7: You know, it's going to come down to probably have
Speaker 7: Max come out and save Bowens from something or the
Speaker 7: other way around, and that's how they're going to get
Speaker 7: back together, because that's normally what they do.
Speaker 3: I think. I don't know.
Speaker 8: There was a lot of heat on the acclaim, the
Speaker 8: same way people talk about mox now, Like, there was
Speaker 8: a lot of people who were just done with the acclaim,
Speaker 8: that they were sick of the shtick, they didn't care
Speaker 8: for it. They thought their wrestling had gotten kind of bland,
Speaker 8: and I was excited with the split. I knew Max
Speaker 8: Caster's chant would get over. Just keep them on TV
Speaker 8: doing it and it would get over. And it is
Speaker 8: great now the whole shtick where the crowd nails it.
Speaker 8: And he's like, guys, it's not very good, like, oh,
Speaker 8: it's so good. But I don't think the problem is
Speaker 8: their characters. It's it's been the booking. Like all they've
Speaker 8: done with Max is the five Alive or the five
Speaker 8: Minuts with the wrestler or whatever he calls it.
Speaker 1: The best thing.
Speaker 8: They did with him was something outside where he was
Speaker 8: like running out and they chased him with the camera
Speaker 8: and he was just talking about how this is the
Speaker 8: only thing that ever mattered. Like that was some good
Speaker 8: character work and they never followed up on it. And
Speaker 8: then the same thing with Bowens, Like Bowenes is good
Speaker 8: on the mic. What have they done with them so
Speaker 8: like it's not him, they just they have not put
Speaker 8: either of these guys in a position to be successful
Speaker 8: on their singles. Run And if the solution to that
Speaker 8: is them deciding they're going to feud them in a
Speaker 8: program because that's the best thing to get heat and
Speaker 8: for that to work is for Castor to come out
Speaker 8: as the sympathetic babyface who's just a loser, when the
Speaker 8: reality is that's what he is. He's just a loser.
Speaker 8: He's not cheating or anything. He's just a loser, and
Speaker 8: he's going to be a sympathetic loser and having Bowens
Speaker 8: with the Frank rhymes from The Simpsons, just losing his
Speaker 8: mind that people are cheering for this dastardly heel who
Speaker 8: you should be booing because he's a bad person and
Speaker 8: he's not me. I'm the pride of aw I'm goodie
Speaker 8: two shoes Like that's a good heel gimmick too. And
Speaker 8: so if they flip this and then run a program
Speaker 8: that way, you can choose that and get some mileage
Speaker 8: out of it and see if they can catch on
Speaker 8: as singles performers. And if they do great. If they don't,
Speaker 8: then revisit the acclaim. They'll have been They'll have been
Speaker 8: apart long enough. I think people will be longing for
Speaker 8: it at that point. But I don't want them to
Speaker 8: give up on the singles runs. I think they just
Speaker 8: need to give these guys something better to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's one of those things that it's playing
Speaker 3: out on Twitter just as much as it's playing out
Speaker 3: on AWTV, you know what I mean. It's one of
Speaker 3: those things where, especially on Anthony Bowen's part, he's kind
Speaker 3: of lost his mind over the last couple of days,
Speaker 3: you know, talking about Max Caster and all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. Yeah, it's it's gonna be kind of interesting
Speaker 3: to see where they do go from there. But what
Speaker 3: I want to talk about next, and this is kind
Speaker 3: of something that's important, I think, because when you look
Speaker 3: at the landscape of AW, and you can even get
Speaker 3: at this point compare it to WWE, if you wanted,
Speaker 3: AW has a lot of black and LBGTQ wrestlers that
Speaker 3: are thriving in both AW and Ring of Honor, and
Speaker 3: I think it's fantastic, especially since you know, people have
Speaker 3: been making comments that, especially on the LBGTQ side, all
Speaker 3: of those people are getting fired from a from WWE.
Speaker 3: It seems like and AW is pushing the hell out
Speaker 3: of them, and they should because they're fine wrestlers. I
Speaker 3: don't think that their skin color or their sexual orientation
Speaker 3: has anything to do with it, but it just so
Speaker 3: happens that they're fine wrestlers. But if you look at
Speaker 3: the at the storylines that are going on with Max
Speaker 3: Caster and Anthony Bowens, the Hurt Syndicate Athena. I mean,
Speaker 3: you're looking at a very diverse group of wrestlers here,
Speaker 3: and I wanted to discuss this. How do you how
Speaker 3: do you guys personally feel about the strength of diversity
Speaker 3: in AAW.
Speaker 2: And again, I look.
Speaker 3: At it as as I said earlier with Mercedes Monett,
Speaker 3: her being out there doing what she's doing is bringing fans.
Speaker 2: Today that are.
Speaker 3: Going to be wrestlers five and ten years from now
Speaker 3: wanting to come to a w When you're looking at diversity,
Speaker 3: I think I think it's the same thing you're looking at.
Speaker 2: They're looking.
Speaker 3: These wrestlers that are like them being pushed, and that
Speaker 3: means my dream is to wrestle in AW.
Speaker 2: I think that's the whole point of not I'm not
Speaker 2: saying the.
Speaker 3: Whole point, but I think this is a strong point
Speaker 3: that can be made in what's going on in the
Speaker 3: diversity of AW, especially when you look at it against WWE.
Speaker 4: I think it's just incredible. I mean, I knew it
Speaker 4: was going to be something special and different right from
Speaker 4: the beginning, when you had like people like Sonny Kiss
Speaker 4: and Nyla Rose front and center. I miss Sunny Kiss
Speaker 4: a lot. They were just great. I hope they're doing
Speaker 4: well wherever the rest are now. And I really hope
Speaker 4: that Nyla decides to She says she's happy working Backstaine,
Speaker 4: but I'd love to see you in the ring again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, me too.
Speaker 8: I can't believe I'm gonna start by leading this. I
Speaker 8: think WWE gets fairly unfairly maligned with some of this
Speaker 8: stuff sometimes. But I think the key difference between the
Speaker 8: two promotions because I would argue that they feature a
Speaker 8: lot of minorities.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 8: About LGTPQ people. I'm not really too familiar with much
Speaker 8: of their talent, But I think the difference is just
Speaker 8: aw lets them be outspoken in public about it and
Speaker 8: comfortable and they can just do what they want, and
Speaker 8: they can say what they want and they want to
Speaker 8: say in a promo, they can. And I think that's
Speaker 8: the key difference between the two promotions in general, is
Speaker 8: one is very managed and there are many performers that
Speaker 8: can excel and look fantastic and are very happy in that,
Speaker 8: and there's another that's a little looser around the edges
Speaker 8: and lets you have to figure it out yourself. In
Speaker 8: some perform struggle on that and some for formers excel
Speaker 8: in that. And we've seen the talent go between the
Speaker 8: companies and know who does well in better environments. And
Speaker 8: I'm glad that there is a promotion out there now
Speaker 8: that lets people just exceed period. There isn't a polish
Speaker 8: or a very specific way they want to frame things
Speaker 8: and push a certain narrative and metrics and balance.
Speaker 1: It's just like who gets over, they get over.
Speaker 8: It doesn't matter what you are, and that's refreshing because
Speaker 8: it doesn't have to be a part of the story
Speaker 8: and you don't really notice it. And that's the great
Speaker 8: part of aw It's just normal now, it's not even
Speaker 8: a thing anymore. It's just like this is just then.
Speaker 8: It's normal, and that's unique, and I don't think we've
Speaker 8: had that in wrestling to date. And wrestling has always
Speaker 8: been about plamboyance and fabulous costumes and being something you're
Speaker 8: not and having to pretend and then embracing who you are,
Speaker 8: and a lot of that runs parallel to a lot
Speaker 8: of the things the LBGTQ community has had to struggle
Speaker 8: with and deal with and minorities have had to struggle
Speaker 8: with and deal with. And to kind of see that
Speaker 8: come full circle and wrestling and be embraced to a
Speaker 8: degree and just accept it as part of life is
Speaker 8: pretty neat and I'm glad they're comfortable and it doesn't
Speaker 8: even seem out of the ordinary. It just seems like
Speaker 8: a normal thing on TV.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, something that came to comes to mindel in this
Speaker 4: discussion is this was like a like I don't know,
Speaker 4: like was it a year or was it two ago?
Speaker 4: It was it was during that. It was during mjf's
Speaker 4: like little face run as part of when he was
Speaker 4: doing the thing with a better than you bebe. There
Speaker 4: was a part of that and it was just like
Speaker 4: a little storyline. Nobody made a huge deal about it,
Speaker 4: where Max Caster obviously had a crush on MJF and
Speaker 4: like it was implicitly Max was definitely thinking like, how's
Speaker 4: it carried over to Twitter? Like Max Caster has a
Speaker 4: crush on MJF. And I'm I.
Speaker 10: Remember definitely did, and I remember thinking like, wwe would
Speaker 10: never they would not have the gah and as to
Speaker 10: do this even though it's perfectly normal and lot there's
Speaker 10: tons of gay men getting crushes on all sorts of
Speaker 10: other guys all the time out in the world.
Speaker 3: Oh it's not even that though, Jess. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: I mean, if how do I put this, I'm a
Speaker 3: big Commander fan. I would turn into a five year
Speaker 3: old girl if I saw Commander in real life, you know,
Speaker 3: and he came out to me and I had an
Speaker 3: opportunity to talk to him. It's not about even you know,
Speaker 3: being gay or anything like that. It's just being a fanboy,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like you're a I mean, I
Speaker 2: love you.
Speaker 3: I mean, I yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: You forget you forget Jess.
Speaker 7: They did the whole Chuck and Billy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did do that.
Speaker 7: That was that was before any of this even was
Speaker 7: a thing. They had Chuck and Billy and those two
Speaker 7: were put over exactly as being gay towards each other.
Speaker 7: That was the whole point of what WW did.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I like the I think.
Speaker 7: It was was it you Buried that said this is normal. Now,
Speaker 7: I like, it's normal. You don't have to think about
Speaker 7: it anymore because it's not a It's not a thing anymore.
Speaker 7: It's not You've got Max Caster, You've got the hurt syndicate.
Speaker 7: You've got Monette, you've got Willow, you've got uh, you know,
Speaker 7: you've got everybody, and nobody goes, oh, look it's a
Speaker 7: black wrestler, or oh look they're gay, and they're not.
Speaker 3: You know, they don't think about it anymore. And that's
Speaker 3: the best moment that is. But and when when you
Speaker 3: don't have that diversity, it is noticeable, and I you know,
Speaker 3: look go back and look at some of these pay
Speaker 3: per views over the last year of WWE, there have
Speaker 3: been entire pay per views when not a single wrestler
Speaker 3: of color on them.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but how much is that people trying to see
Speaker 8: what they want to see? And how much is that
Speaker 8: do you think? Like on purpose, like is a huge star, Jade,
Speaker 8: they're making to do huge star Rex and Perez is
Speaker 8: a huge star, Damian increases a huge star, Roman is
Speaker 8: a huge star like Naomi.
Speaker 1: That that I think.
Speaker 8: Is people wanting to see some things they want to see.
Speaker 8: Maybe they're not featured the way we want. And I
Speaker 8: think there's criticism that you can have a show that
Speaker 8: that doesn't have any minorities or anybody. I think that's valid,
Speaker 8: But I don't think there's how long asserted effort, you.
Speaker 1: Know how long years like and a half years.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you know, people, You're absolutely right. People
Speaker 7: want to see a bad thing. They're going to see it.
Speaker 7: There's nothing you can do to change their mind. If
Speaker 7: they that there's racism in something, they're going to see that,
Speaker 7: and there's absolutely nothing you can do to change that
Speaker 7: person's thoughts. They're going to think that. Let them think
Speaker 7: it's on them for you know, that's not on you
Speaker 7: for not being It shouldn't be that way, but it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I do think.
Speaker 8: There is an era of WWE where that is a
Speaker 8: valid criticism. But I think in the more modern area,
Speaker 8: especially since like the oughts and stuff, I don't think
Speaker 8: it's a big well I don't work there, so this
Speaker 8: is just the perspective of a fan. Maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 8: but at least on TV it doesn't. I don't think
Speaker 8: it's as big a problem some people want it to be,
Speaker 8: although there is, there is valid criticism of some of
Speaker 8: their shows, as there should be for any promotion.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I will just say this and that I'm
Speaker 3: proud of a w that when I look at their
Speaker 3: match cards and I see they're championships, and things like that.
Speaker 3: It's been pretty consistent, and I think diversity is a
Speaker 3: big thing that is necessary and I just like it.
Speaker 3: That's it. Does anybody else have anything to say about that?
Speaker 2: That is being very quiet tonight, Sorry.
Speaker 5: I'm here. I love the diversity, and we also have
Speaker 5: to remember I think sometimes, as as fans, I'm a
Speaker 5: little guilty of it, kind of thinking that the only
Speaker 5: other wrestlers in the world are from Japan and from Mexico.
Speaker 1: So we have.
Speaker 5: Seen that there are wrestlers from all over the world
Speaker 5: that are more than happy to come here and wrestle
Speaker 5: and are loved by fans and showcase a lot of
Speaker 5: their home country, a lot of their culture, and it's
Speaker 5: it's really entertaining to see as fans. I really like it.
Speaker 5: I like the fact that they have a lot of
Speaker 5: queer wrestlers on the roster. It shows that people are different.
Speaker 5: I love the differences amongst people, and we're at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, we are all sling fans and
Speaker 5: that's just the greatest thing in the world that wrestling
Speaker 5: can bring so many kinds of people together. That fare
Speaker 5: one thing which is the greatness of professional wrestling. It's
Speaker 5: just fantastic. I'm glad that AAW was really able to
Speaker 5: bring this out and to to bring us all together.
Speaker 1: It's really well said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really well said. I want to I want to
Speaker 3: switch gears here because this is something else that I've
Speaker 3: noticed in AAW and I'm sure you guys have to
Speaker 3: and that in the booking, a lot more attention is
Speaker 3: being given to the mid card wrestlers, not only as
Speaker 3: just random matches, but actual feuds and storylines going on
Speaker 3: that don't even have titles attached to them. And I
Speaker 3: personally think that's fantastic. And I wanted to get your,
Speaker 3: uh your your opinions on this. I mean, go ahead, okay, yes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: you're well jet stop because your MIC is all screwed
Speaker 3: up again.
Speaker 9: I'll say something like I remember during like the Attitude era,
Speaker 9: it was like that whole feud with Rock and Stone
Speaker 9: Cold for the Icy Belt that was mid card stuff.
Speaker 9: And I really love that and I like that they're
Speaker 9: doing that in AW.
Speaker 11: Now, and I I'm all for that, man, like, even
Speaker 11: if it's not for a belt like the Max Caster
Speaker 11: and Anthony Bowen stuff, that assume that's mid card stuff,
Speaker 11: and like you have like I want to see Josh
Speaker 11: Alexander get out there on TV more and who's that.
Speaker 3: The Bruce go there?
Speaker 2: He's on TV more.
Speaker 11: I like that he's I don't know, i'd say he's
Speaker 11: a mid carter yeah as well, but yeah, I like
Speaker 11: seeing that. It's just more TV time for those guys.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you have to build storylines around everything
Speaker 3: that you do, because just doing storylines for the championships
Speaker 3: makes everything else basically squash matches because they're meaningless.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't like the squash match. Yeah, but I mean
Speaker 3: a ten minute, fifteen minute match can still be a
Speaker 3: squash match when you know that there's nothing involved in it,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, there's no.
Speaker 2: Stakes to it.
Speaker 3: You brought up Mexican, not Max, Max Maxwell, Jacob Friedman
Speaker 3: and Mark Brisco. There's been no belts really involved in that.
Speaker 3: It's just an all out just I don't like you,
Speaker 3: you don't like me. Let's let's uh, let's go for it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a grudge matches. Job with that.
Speaker 2: In the women's division as.
Speaker 8: Well, somebody had mentioned the attitude or was that you
Speaker 8: Steve a second ago?
Speaker 3: That was me?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it was God I can't believe I'm
Speaker 8: using this as an example. I think it was Vince
Speaker 8: Russo talking about when he was booking WWE, they tried
Speaker 8: to get everybody on TV each week and the mantras,
Speaker 8: give somebody, give them something to do.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 8: If it was two heels in the background talking to
Speaker 8: each other, two faces, you'd see that often, but they'd
Speaker 8: get everybody on TV. And I keep coming back to
Speaker 8: Harley Cameron as an example of this. It's like, if
Speaker 8: you want to get mid card talent over, keep them
Speaker 8: on TV. They don't have to win, but you got
Speaker 8: to give us a reason and rude or care for him.
Speaker 8: And a lot of these these three and format or
Speaker 8: these six and eight man tags that they've been doing
Speaker 8: has been replacing the squash matches they used to do.
Speaker 8: And what happens, well, typically it's two bigger characters that
Speaker 8: are feuding and they're teamed up with their allies or
Speaker 8: in the case of bad guys, just another group of
Speaker 8: bad guys, and that kind of reminds people and reinforces
Speaker 8: the face first, the heel stuff and what have they
Speaker 8: done in these matches? And I Thinkkelson just mentioned it
Speaker 8: is yeah, you got the two main names in the
Speaker 8: matches it's built around. But then you got these other
Speaker 8: guys plugged in that you start feuds up. And I
Speaker 8: come back to like Theckla and Aminada, their whole feud
Speaker 8: has been done in the ring. There's been no promos
Speaker 8: really for that. It's just been they got thrown into
Speaker 8: an eight woman or six women tag or whatever and
Speaker 8: started beating the crap out of each other.
Speaker 3: And no, there's no belt involved, just a good old
Speaker 3: fashioned grudge match.
Speaker 8: But you keep them on TV, give them a chance
Speaker 8: to get over, give us the reason that care for
Speaker 8: these two people beat the crap out of each other.
Speaker 8: You don't, And then now you've.
Speaker 1: Got people who are over.
Speaker 8: And when you need to cycle somebody anew for a
Speaker 8: championship run, there you go. You got you got that
Speaker 8: next year of people ready to go.
Speaker 3: Yep. I mean, And Harley Cameron is probably coming back
Speaker 3: soon because she's been doing a little bit of vignettes lately,
Speaker 3: both on AW programming and behind the scenes, so that's
Speaker 3: good news again.
Speaker 2: Like you had the Max.
Speaker 3: Gaster and and Anthony Bowens thing that has no belts
Speaker 3: involved in it, there's plenty of stuff going on you know,
Speaker 3: the the tag team thing. The tag team tournament kind
Speaker 3: of puts something on it. But the Outrunners and Young
Speaker 3: Bucks have been brewing for a while, you know, and
Speaker 3: just because it's culminating, I guess in a tag team
Speaker 3: tournament doesn't mean that they didn't plant the seed. So
Speaker 3: that this match has extra meaning to it, and it's
Speaker 3: not just just just not a tournament match. It's a
Speaker 3: it's got a little bit more meaning to it. That's
Speaker 3: that's what we need. But you can overdo it as well.
Speaker 3: You can't have the same people fighting in meaningful matches
Speaker 3: over and over again, and he would if you keep
Speaker 3: doing it. It kind of takes away from it. A
Speaker 3: lah hang Mananda Page and John Moxley tonight on Dynamite.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of people say that they
Speaker 3: don't really understand why they're doing this match.
Speaker 2: I kind of get it.
Speaker 3: I think it was Barrier you said it earlier. Was
Speaker 3: they're doing this match to put the final not I
Speaker 3: don't want to say nail the coffin, but a finality
Speaker 3: to the storyline that yes Page is the champion and
Speaker 3: John Moxley cannot beat hang Man Adam Paige. Now if
Speaker 3: Moxley wins tonight, then it kind of just throws everything
Speaker 3: under the bus.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I also like what Ricochet is doing. I just I
Speaker 9: just love his heel character so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Sure, and he's not in a title picture.
Speaker 8: No, Ricochet is a great mid card heel, Like there
Speaker 8: is a lost art of mid card heels that can
Speaker 8: get heat, they can make make baby faces look great,
Speaker 8: they know how to get people over and then that's
Speaker 8: who you pluck that that main event terry heel from.
Speaker 8: But there is a lost art of the mid card
Speaker 8: heeled and Ricochet is perfectly in that role. Like it's
Speaker 8: been so much fun.
Speaker 3: Killing it, yeah, killing it. Yeah, Jess, when you've been
Speaker 3: talking and you sound like a space alien, a drunk
Speaker 3: space and alien.
Speaker 2: Uh, go ahead and leave the chair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just look, don't try to talk, uh, but just
Speaker 3: go ahead and leave the channel completely and come back
Speaker 3: and see if that rectifies the situation. I mean, go
Speaker 3: right out of discord completely then come back.
Speaker 9: Sounded like fifteen feet away from.
Speaker 8: The mic last time I did it, I think she
Speaker 8: had yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, so look. The important thing to me
Speaker 3: is that aw, especially in twenty twenty five, has gotten
Speaker 3: so much better with storylines, and a lot of that
Speaker 3: has to do with the storylines in the mid card
Speaker 3: because it sets up championship storylines down the line. You know,
Speaker 3: That's the way I look at it. Let's see, let's
Speaker 3: see what just sounds like?
Speaker 4: Hi, can you hear me? Now?
Speaker 2: Oh? Much better?
Speaker 4: Thank you? No, I was just going to concur with
Speaker 4: the MJF and and Mark Brisco MJF is actually very
Speaker 4: good at this. He is excellent at saying something so
Speaker 4: utterly vile, making him pay for what he said becomes
Speaker 4: very legitimate stakes.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you're spot on. That's how you that's
Speaker 8: how you can introduce stakes to something and not have
Speaker 8: a title on the line or you know, a stupid
Speaker 8: cash game. It is a lost art, Jess. That was
Speaker 8: part of what made us root against Heels. It wasn't
Speaker 8: always to see them lose the title. It was because
Speaker 8: we hated them because they did something dastardly. And there
Speaker 8: isn't a lot left in wrestling today that can do that.
Speaker 8: And m jeff is one of the ones that just
Speaker 8: we want to see him get his come up and
Speaker 8: for just something just vile that he did. And uh,
Speaker 8: and I think you're spot on with that.
Speaker 9: Well, didn't he say like the wrong brother died.
Speaker 1: Or something like that.
Speaker 8: Jeez, man, yeah, it was it was bad.
Speaker 1: He said it twice, I did, he did. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I can't believe we're laughing about the wrong brother died.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I know, yeah, for a whole different reason though. Look,
Speaker 3: let's go ahead out to our pot pourrix and I know, Jess,
Speaker 3: you had a pote prie that you had posted about
Speaker 3: about something that you read over it greatness or wrestling.
Speaker 4: I do it was actually a discussion I am the
Speaker 4: first discussion I took part in. Over there, someone had
Speaker 4: mentioned like, why are there no managers anymore? And me
Speaker 4: and a couple of other people were quick to point
Speaker 4: out that a e o U has managers for days.
Speaker 4: But not only do they have a lot of managers,
Speaker 4: every single manager they have is very good at what
Speaker 4: they do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, what if you have Stokely Hathaway,
Speaker 3: Prince Nana, you have MVP Don Kallus.
Speaker 4: Oh definitely, and don't forget smart Mark Sterling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you can put Shane Taylor in there. Heck,
Speaker 3: can you put Shane Taylor? Do you got to put
Speaker 3: Chris Jericho in there too? Although I think Chris Jericho
Speaker 3: has lost his family, has lost this tree because if
Speaker 3: did you notice Brian Keith is no longer being referred
Speaker 3: to as the bad Apple.
Speaker 4: Really, it's been a long time since anybody's called Bill
Speaker 4: the Redwood.
Speaker 1: He's uh yeah, those are gonna get us push starting
Speaker 1: in Scotland.
Speaker 10: Watch.
Speaker 3: Oh you know he's I mean, they love him over you,
Speaker 3: they love.
Speaker 1: Him, they love him.
Speaker 8: He's going to be They should make him that That
Speaker 8: is if Tony, if you are going to pick a
Speaker 8: moment for the push for him to start, that is
Speaker 8: where it happens, because he will be more over there
Speaker 8: than anywhere else in the next six months.
Speaker 3: Yep, I I totally. That was one of the best
Speaker 3: things were they were in Wales Cardiff. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 3: that whole thing with Big Bill was absolutely one of
Speaker 3: the best things I've ever seen. It rest like that was.
Speaker 8: Just didn't they cheer him at Grand Slam New Zealand
Speaker 8: what do they call the one in New Zealand or no,
Speaker 8: Australia Grand Slam Australia, I don't remember. I think they
Speaker 8: cheered the heck out. That was like the first time
Speaker 8: I think overseas, like, yeah, I think that fact. There
Speaker 8: was another place overseas where he was super over.
Speaker 12: But it was just his he's so good, he's so
Speaker 12: good and and his reaction worship perfect.
Speaker 3: His reactions were perfect.
Speaker 1: And he's so good on the mic.
Speaker 8: He's good looking, he's got a good move set, he
Speaker 8: works safe, he knows.
Speaker 1: How to make people look good. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's something else on them back, but like, man, it's
Speaker 1: I'm to let him. Give him a run. Dude, just
Speaker 1: give him a run.
Speaker 2: You know what you meant. I think it was you
Speaker 2: to mention it before.
Speaker 3: You know, the problem with Big Bill is that he's
Speaker 3: just too damn big. Yeah, there's nobody, you know, the
Speaker 3: top guys can't realistically match up against him.
Speaker 8: The storyline for that that type of thing is you
Speaker 8: got to tire him out. And that's I think, what
Speaker 8: if FDR takes on the hurt syndica, that's you know
Speaker 8: what we're going on a tangent. Never mind, let's get back.
Speaker 3: To Yeah, yeah, Jess with the managers. You know, as
Speaker 3: someone that does not watch w W as well, do
Speaker 3: they even have any managers in w W A I
Speaker 3: think so.
Speaker 2: Paul Hayman, Yeah, I would go with him.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he's a wise man. I guess it's the
Speaker 4: same thing.
Speaker 8: They have a lot of factions where the leader kind
Speaker 8: of does them managing and stuff. Yeah, like yeah, you know,
Speaker 8: they do it a little different there, but they have
Speaker 8: like that kind of figurehead.
Speaker 1: It's just an active performer in a lot of instances.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think, like somebody remarked in the thread that
Speaker 4: like it was because Vince hated me, actually hated managers
Speaker 4: the same way he hated tag teams. So that's why
Speaker 4: you sort of saw both of them decline.
Speaker 2: But he had Jimmy Hart with.
Speaker 3: A leaders.
Speaker 1: Was making money. Man, that's automatics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess does anybody else have a potpourri?
Speaker 1: I got a quick one?
Speaker 8: So I waspartner around on YouTube and I don't know
Speaker 8: if it's will Osprey's old YouTube account or somebody that
Speaker 8: just had his name back then, but it's like a
Speaker 8: thirteen year old video and it's him and a gymnasium
Speaker 8: with I guess some friends. Well, backflip from the turn
Speaker 8: buckle into the ring is full of like foam cubes,
Speaker 8: but he does a double shooting star press like right
Speaker 8: on and he would have landed on the mat. I
Speaker 8: don't know if he could, if it's possible to land
Speaker 8: that on a person, but it's insane, and like he's
Speaker 8: a teenager in this, like like fifteen sixteen, probably.
Speaker 1: Maybe a little older than that.
Speaker 8: Like I said, the videos like thirteen years old. But
Speaker 8: if you get a chance, go go look it up
Speaker 8: on YouTube. It's like fifteen seconds long and it's bonkers.
Speaker 2: Oh, I have to send the link if you could
Speaker 2: still find it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's in my history. I'll post it up
Speaker 8: in the discord if I can take it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do that, you.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 4: See. I hate saying this because I love him so much,
Speaker 4: But now that Kenny's career is starting to wind down,
Speaker 4: I think there's a case to be made for will
Speaker 4: Osprey being the best wrestler in the world.
Speaker 1: Now that's been the case for probably two years.
Speaker 4: Is it Kenny or is it Will? But yeah, I
Speaker 4: think it's Will.
Speaker 3: Now. The thing that I've seen pointed out by w
Speaker 3: W fans about will Osprey, and I actually have to
Speaker 3: agree with it, is that he's he's a very athletic wrestler.
Speaker 3: The things he can do in the ring are astounding,
Speaker 3: and especially when you put him in with the likes
Speaker 3: of Swerve, Strickland, Kenny Omega something like that. You're you know,
Speaker 3: you're going to get an athletic multi move counters match
Speaker 3: over the top even but where he lacks. And I'm
Speaker 3: saying this as an Osprey fan, but I get what
Speaker 3: WWE fans are saying about Will Osprey is the lack
Speaker 3: of selling. He could get absolutely dropped on his head
Speaker 3: and pop right up and do a Tiger Driver, you know,
Speaker 3: and that just shouldn't happen. And I agree with them
Speaker 3: on that because he does it a lot on in
Speaker 3: every single match he does. He doesn't sell. He doesn't sell. Yet, yes,
Speaker 3: to get better at selling.
Speaker 8: One spot in the match, like he does the fighting
Speaker 8: spirit too much. Yeah, like they did on the tag
Speaker 8: match It All In, Like they built the one fighting
Speaker 8: spirit where they got up after the sequence and did
Speaker 8: the blade swerve or the house call at the same
Speaker 8: time and then they collapse like that's perfect. He does
Speaker 8: it two or three times in some matches exactly.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I'm talking about. And when you when
Speaker 3: I posted that particular segment from from All In on
Speaker 3: the Greatness a wrestling webs Greatness a wrestling subreddit they
Speaker 3: didn't watch the whole twenty twenty five minute match, however
Speaker 3: long it was. They saw that they were like this,
Speaker 3: that's stupid. You've got you know.
Speaker 8: It was like, it's not like no sell spots is
Speaker 8: a new thing, Like it's been done forever, Like like
Speaker 8: you can go through the tape and there's Stone Cold
Speaker 8: in the Rock and brock Lesener and Underlake.
Speaker 1: That's it's not a new thing.
Speaker 3: Well, who came back from well, I don't want to
Speaker 3: say that, but who came back in matches more often
Speaker 3: by no selling than whole Cogan? Yeah, shot out, flat
Speaker 3: out down and out right on the break, and then
Speaker 3: he would get up and just point.
Speaker 8: That the fighting spirit, like the calling attention to it
Speaker 8: like they do in Japan. That's a very Japanese thing
Speaker 8: that they've brought, like that's why it stands out and
Speaker 8: like a lot of the older no selling. But it's
Speaker 8: like like, no, it's a valid criticism. I don't really
Speaker 8: care myself. Some people get worked up about it, and
Speaker 8: I think it's valid. But I do think that the
Speaker 8: fighting spirit spots he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, here's the thing is that you know
Speaker 3: special you know, one of the biggest complaints was though,
Speaker 3: is that like will Ospray just got dropped on his
Speaker 3: head and now he's back on his feet doing a move. Well,
Speaker 3: first of all, he didn't really get dropped on his head,
Speaker 3: because if he had gotten dropped on his head from
Speaker 3: ten feet up in the air, he definitely wouldn't be
Speaker 3: getting up and doing a move. You know, it's wrestling,
Speaker 3: it's art, it's it's theater, it's you know, play fighting
Speaker 3: in your underpants. I mean, come on, yes, they are
Speaker 3: the reason why they're so impressive is that they're not
Speaker 3: killing each other out there, and they're able to pull
Speaker 3: these tremendously athletic moves off without getting their next broken
Speaker 3: and everything like that on a like every single match.
Speaker 1: It's like, do these guys watch the John Wick movies?
Speaker 1: And really is just not realistic.
Speaker 8: I'm leaving and they just get out when they're like
Speaker 8: double popcorn or whatever and leave, like, come on, man,
Speaker 8: it's a stunt show.
Speaker 1: It's a movie you get to watch live. Get over
Speaker 1: the cell.
Speaker 3: You know, you know what when you're when you're talking
Speaker 3: about that, this is something interesting. Have you ever have
Speaker 3: any have any the movies, The Bourne Identity, the Bourn
Speaker 3: All the Bourne movies, the Jason Bourne movies. Right, they're
Speaker 3: action packed movies, right, but they're based on books.
Speaker 2: In the books, one punch and that's it.
Speaker 3: They're done.
Speaker 2: And they did an.
Speaker 3: Interview with Robert Ludemo was the author of these Born books,
Speaker 3: and they say, why do your fights end like that?
Speaker 3: Because if you standing there and you get punched in
Speaker 3: the face, square in the nose, you're not gonna be
Speaker 3: able to get up and start doing flips, you know,
Speaker 3: and then fighting, you know, you're done. What punch, you're done,
Speaker 3: depending on the punch, you know. And and that's you know,
Speaker 3: but that's taking it literal in you know, in that sense.
Speaker 3: But wrestling is not literal. Yeah, it never has been.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a visual medium. You know.
Speaker 8: A book is not a visual medium. You need to
Speaker 8: you need to add panache, you need to make it vibrant,
Speaker 8: you need to make it you have to. You have
Speaker 8: to show motional and that's what they do. It's faster now,
Speaker 8: you know. I look at will Ospbury matches from a
Speaker 8: few years ago to the work he does today. I
Speaker 8: prefer today now that he's slowed down. I thought, you know,
Speaker 8: when he was younger, it was great, But I think
Speaker 8: his work's better now, and it's going to get better
Speaker 8: now that he's even a little banged up and he's
Speaker 8: starting to realize he's mortal and slows it down a
Speaker 8: little bit. It's going to make the stuff he does
Speaker 8: seem more important. Right, Like you said, it's sake. Who cares?
Speaker 8: The point is to entertain you? Are you entertained?
Speaker 1: Great? And who cares? You know?
Speaker 3: I mean, let's face it, if if Big Bill gave
Speaker 3: you a clothes line off the ropes, would you be
Speaker 3: standing up?
Speaker 2: You'll be dead, You'd be gone, You've been done.
Speaker 3: You're not cold.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: You know, anybody gives a clothes line to somebody's neck,
Speaker 8: they're gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even need to be Big Bill.
Speaker 3: Like even if you have a close light to the chest,
Speaker 3: you know, it's just like you're still gonna go down.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be like, you know, you're gonna be like,
Speaker 3: did I.
Speaker 2: Just have a heart attack here? You know what's going
Speaker 2: on here?
Speaker 3: Your lungs are collapsed and everything. You know, you can't
Speaker 3: look at wrestling matches as anything but athletic art.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I love it, but let's face it.
Speaker 3: You know, you get popped in the face, and wrestling
Speaker 3: is differently getting popped in the face in a fight.
Speaker 3: You ever watch the real life fights, you know, even
Speaker 3: involving wrestlers where they're fighting somebody in real life or
Speaker 3: just really out on the street or whatever, they don't
Speaker 3: look the same. You know.
Speaker 2: You get popped and.
Speaker 3: Or down and they're like unconscious looks like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: Like MMA is like some people love it. I get
Speaker 8: it's real, but it's boring. Like I want to see
Speaker 8: people doing flips and ship.
Speaker 3: That's why. You know, if you get hit hard enough,
Speaker 3: they do flips and git.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like you know, I like, I understand people who
Speaker 8: enjoy MMA. It's not my jam. I can appreciate a
Speaker 8: good fight at like a good boxing match. It's different.
Speaker 8: I think the pacing for boxing appeals a little bit
Speaker 8: better to me than MMA because it's so grappling based.
Speaker 8: But like, unless you're like really into it, it's like golf,
Speaker 8: you have to understand that or no, I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 8: like pitching in baseball. To really get into you need
Speaker 8: to understand the particulars and why grips and like it's
Speaker 8: a very technical MMA is a very technical sport now,
Speaker 8: and like, I just want to.
Speaker 1: See people beating each other up. And if it's fate,
Speaker 1: it's fate. Who cares. I don't want to see people
Speaker 1: like inn a pretzel for forty five minutes.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I like to see a thousand chops in
Speaker 5: the corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like to see just ridiculous stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, don't even give me.
Speaker 8: Well, that's somebody on the TV going but he's unconscious,
Speaker 8: Like what do you do?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Eddie. That's one thing about Eddie Kingston.
Speaker 3: He can hit a thousands chops in like thirty seconds. Yeah,
Speaker 3: of course, I have no mark, no marks on the
Speaker 3: other guy's chest. But he's got a bunch of bruises
Speaker 3: on his thigh. But I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Leave it alone.
Speaker 8: Yeah, hey, man, if you're going to pull off a
Speaker 8: believable chop and you don't leave a mark on the
Speaker 8: guy and everybody and she like beat the heck out
Speaker 8: of him, then you're doing a good job man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I love it what I see a
Speaker 3: chop and the other guy's bleeding from his chest after
Speaker 3: like four.
Speaker 2: Or five chops.
Speaker 3: But if you're bleeding from your thigh or something wrong.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, he's menstruating again, you know, didn't.
Speaker 8: The Young Bucks have a mean ones at being the
Speaker 8: elite where they were walking backstage and they had their
Speaker 8: thighs wrapped in ice, and there's like, what was you know,
Speaker 8: why are your thighs wrapped? And they're like, oh, we
Speaker 8: had to do a lot of super We did a
Speaker 8: lot of super kicks in the last match because they
Speaker 8: did like ten or twelve. But and they you know,
Speaker 8: for smacking the thigh when they did it, and so
Speaker 8: that's why they had the.
Speaker 1: Ice is to ice down where they were smacking.
Speaker 8: I think that was them. I'm pretty sure it was.
Speaker 8: It might have not been, but I think it was
Speaker 8: a I think it was them.
Speaker 3: That's why the.
Speaker 4: Lost cerential humor they do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's why I love stiff matches, because when
Speaker 3: somebody punches somebody like in the chest or kicks them
Speaker 3: in the chest and instead of going slap, it goes thud.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love that, you know, so drown a.
Speaker 1: Good punch is a lost art man.
Speaker 8: There's a couple of guys in the eighties and nineties
Speaker 8: who threw really good punches and there aren't many left now.
Speaker 8: And to your point, kelsonink if they can do it
Speaker 8: and either with a certain type of stomp they get
Speaker 8: that thud, or they can do it where it just
Speaker 8: hits the chest right that it doesn't hurt their performer
Speaker 8: they're working with, but it makes that sound.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I just it feels good to hear,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why, like I you're familiar with Julia right
Speaker 3: from WWE. She's famous for her head butts right at
Speaker 3: her head butts, like she literally just head butts and
Speaker 3: there you know, she had butts them all of a sudden.
Speaker 3: It's like Job Boxley getting forked by Hagman added page.
Speaker 3: She's standing there and her opponent is as bleeding profusely
Speaker 3: from the forehead of the nose. Is Julia has a
Speaker 3: short temper. And if you get a receipt from Julia,
Speaker 3: You're gonna get a receipt from Julia. And I'm waiting
Speaker 3: for that to happen at w W because people are
Speaker 3: gonna lose their minds when she got no no, not
Speaker 3: with her head butts her head. Go look at Julia,
Speaker 3: Go look at just probably there's a video that says,
Speaker 3: Julia has Julia's head butts, and just go watch her.
Speaker 3: You can see how she does it in retaliation to
Speaker 3: somebody to maybe hit her a little bit too hard
Speaker 3: or at a wrong spot like in the throat or something,
Speaker 3: and she had to butch them in their Next thing
Speaker 3: you see is the whole person's face is just erupted.
Speaker 3: It's a crimson mask, you know, because Julia doesn't give
Speaker 3: a shit, you know, So that's something to keep in mind. There,
Speaker 3: anybody else have a potporie? All right, then, so I
Speaker 3: guess we'll end the show for tonight. We'll be back
Speaker 3: later on tonight on the UH Wrestling Hub discord. I
Speaker 3: almost forgot what our discord was named for, Ollie Talk.
Speaker 3: That's right after aw Dynamite. We start the show right
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Speaker 3: this card, I mean, not only we have John Moxley
Speaker 3: and Hangman Adam Page, We've got Tony Storm and Alex
Speaker 3: Windsa against Athena and Billy Starks.
Speaker 2: That's going to be a war.
Speaker 3: And more so, Young Box of the Outrunners got some
Speaker 3: pretty interesting stuff going on. So join us for all
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