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So you know when 40 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,040 you're when you're evaluating you know these pro day numbers 41 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,239 and these these combine numbers, you know, how do you 42 00:01:54,319 --> 00:01:56,480 approach it right as as a football player and what 43 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,280 role does the combine and PRODA play in draft slots 44 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,920 or even undrafted free agent opportunities. 45 00:02:05,519 --> 00:02:08,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the first thing you look at is you 46 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,719 got to look at the players productivity and then from 47 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:15,599 there you either the way that the Pro Day numbers 48 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,120 fit into it, it either validates how they're productive, sometimes 49 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,479 it doesn't validate it, and then you kind of have 50 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,680 to look deeper as through how they were so successful 51 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:28,960 or the other side of the cone is guys that 52 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,280 maybe weren't as successful on the field as you would 53 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:34,240 expect based off of the numbers. You then dig a 54 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,520 little deeper and you come to find out other things. 55 00:02:36,599 --> 00:02:39,080 You wonder if they're hurt, maybe it's a scheme fit, 56 00:02:39,319 --> 00:02:41,960 maybe they're just doing the position. They just didn't get 57 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,159 their opportunity. But there are for surely numbers that are 58 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,039 hit in a Pro Day or in the combine that 59 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,919 will get you into camp, maybe even get you drafted. 60 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:54,400 If it's you know, at a position like Mamba is 61 00:02:54,439 --> 00:02:57,639 one that's very interesting because of his speed and I 62 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,280 mean he did have that phenomenal big play against Utah. 63 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,120 If you guys remember when they're driving down I think 64 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,360 it was the first drive of the game, fly sweep 65 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,240 fourth and one and and Mamba was running with the 66 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,599 the fly sweep guy the whole way and blasted him 67 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,159 for loss and we got the ball back and it 68 00:03:13,199 --> 00:03:15,479 was a huge play in the game. So you look 69 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,680 at that and you're like, oh, okay, well that makes sense. 70 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,800 You know, he has the ability to then use that 71 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:23,120 on the field. And then you look at him and 72 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:25,599 coverage and his size and his length. There's a lot 73 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:30,479 to work with there and physical attributes that are very 74 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:34,240 difficult to find, especially combination length, size and speed. So 75 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,240 that's it. That's kind of how it's looked at. It's 76 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,800 gonna be. It's not the end all be all, but 77 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:44,800 man for surely can't create more studying, more searching, more 78 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:47,520 intrigue about a player, And like I said, it can 79 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:49,439 lead that team to the point where like, ooh, this 80 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:52,080 guy is rare, we need to get him. Let's bring 81 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,120 him in. And then another end of the corin it 82 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,919 can be just a validator. It's like, yeah, that's what 83 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,439 we saw. We saw you know, Carson Ryant, he was 84 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,400 got get separation in his routes you know, or what 85 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,280 have you. And so uh and then you know, you 86 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:10,719 look at you know, other other positions where guys, maybe 87 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:14,000 you're not you know, you're you're looking at them like Tanner. 88 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:16,720 You know, you're looking at a guy that's covers the field, 89 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,600 sidelines to sideline, middle of the field. I mean the 90 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,439 guy played with middlefield safety is Nick Collins. He ran 91 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:23,240 a four three forty you know, and you kind of 92 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,319 made sense. You know, you got Tanner running the four 93 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:27,920 or five and you're like, ooh, how does he do that? 94 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,199 And then if it's just you know, intellect and reading 95 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,959 and understanding route combinations, that's also very telling because you're like, okay, 96 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 well that means that. Yeah, by the way, there's a 97 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,759 lot of free safeties that are not forty fast, but 98 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,439 they very well can they're dialing into the route progressions, coverages, 99 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:49,319 how they fit, quarterback tendencies, film, you know, they do 100 00:04:49,399 --> 00:04:51,319 other things that make up for you know, maybe not 101 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,279 a fast forty time which are it's just a valuable 102 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,720 because at the end of the day, it's about making 103 00:04:54,759 --> 00:04:58,160 plays right. And so it's an interesting, you know process 104 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:00,399 because a lot of people get really excited about numbers. 105 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,319 Sometimes you go on you maybe think oh I didn't 106 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,519 have good as numbers I wanted, But at the end 107 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,879 of it, all it's all about does it translate to playing? 108 00:05:07,399 --> 00:05:09,199 And you got to do your best as a prospect 109 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,120 to help these scouts and these talent evaluators the best 110 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,040 you can help make that connection. 111 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 4: So give me a little breakdown of how they're going 112 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:22,680 to view Tanner Wall. He was a Big twelve, all 113 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:27,040 Big twelve player, multi year starter, tests pretty well. He 114 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:31,079 doesn't have the forty time, but every other I think drill. 115 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:36,160 He looked really good in pro agility, three cone and vertical. 116 00:05:36,199 --> 00:05:39,720 He's explosive. How was he going to be evaluated by 117 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,079 And he's a missionary too, and he's a Caucasian defensive back. 118 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,519 I mean he's listed as a free safety, strong safety. 119 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:49,879 Speaker 5: I mean, look, what's upon a time? 120 00:05:49,959 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 4: Danny Sorensen had a fantastic combine all things considered. He 121 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:57,839 was on drafted free agent, played ten years in the league. 122 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: Well, I think they look at him as probably the 123 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:03,879 because you never remember that it's not it's not really 124 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,040 where you get slotted and drafted in a lot of teams. 125 00:06:07,439 --> 00:06:10,399 For every team, they're trying to get guys as cheap 126 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:11,959 as you can, right, they want they don't want to 127 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:14,560 like if if they don't have to draft ten or 128 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,839 nobody's gonna draft them. 129 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean. 130 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: By that, Like, that's that's the metalita. But but like 131 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,160 you just proved with Daniel, that doesn't mean that they 132 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:24,000 don't think he could be a successful player. As a 133 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,759 matter of fact, the best talent evaluators in the NFL, 134 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:31,319 Bill Belichick fits this one. Uh My guy, Ted Thompson 135 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,480 with the Green Bay Packer fits this. John Schnyder with 136 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,480 the Seattle Seahawks fits this mold. And they just look 137 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,600 at draft as a medium draft pick, as a medium 138 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,040 of exchange. That's it. They don't look at it like, oh, 139 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,000 the higher I draft a guy, the more I expect 140 00:06:48,079 --> 00:06:50,920 him to be a pro bowler or whatever. I mean. 141 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:54,720 It's ideal, but in reality it's it's actually, Okay, this 142 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:58,120 is the player we want, this is how we value him, 143 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,959 this is how we think other teams them. Okay, the 144 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,519 cost of getting him now equals a first round Okay, 145 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,720 we bring him in. You know, And like Tanner, I 146 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,000 would imagine that they're thinking, well, most teams probably aren't 147 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,439 going to draft him, so that means we're gonna come 148 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:15,160 with a lot of money and free agent market whatever. 149 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:17,000 That money is you know, again, it's gonna be the 150 00:07:17,079 --> 00:07:19,160 beating war, and we're gonna get him in here as 151 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:21,399 a free agent because we feel like nobody else is 152 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:24,199 gonna take matter draftic. But we believe whether it's a 153 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:26,480 free agent or a first round or in these guys 154 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,680 and we believe that they have equal amount of opportunities. 155 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,879 For sure, it's gonna be more with the first rounder, 156 00:07:31,879 --> 00:07:35,319 but still from a time evaluator's perspective, it's looked at 157 00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:38,480 as like, these guys are our contributors, and we're gonna 158 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,480 give them every chance to contribute. That's how these guys 159 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:43,480 are look at because that's how much most the good ones, 160 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,720 that's how much they value their evaluating issue they're evaluating 161 00:07:47,839 --> 00:07:51,319 skills of players coming in is they value them so 162 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:54,360 much that everybody they bring in they can see a 163 00:07:54,439 --> 00:07:56,519 future with that player. But then now that player has 164 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,199 to go out deliver, and if that player does, he's 165 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,639 gonna be sticking around. They're gonna, you know, give him 166 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:04,680 opportunities such as grap game time reps, gonna get him 167 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,519 into the rotation, and all of a sudden, you see 168 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:08,720 the jibt. You know, undrafted guys playing and they're playing 169 00:08:08,759 --> 00:08:11,000 for a long time, because again, it's not a the 170 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:14,279 drafted people. He get it confused. The pick itself is 171 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:18,079 not what the team is predicting gus to what your 172 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,439 future is. Absolutely there is some of that, but not absolutely. 173 00:08:21,879 --> 00:08:24,839 It's mostly a medium of exchange as to what they 174 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,079 feel like it's going to cost them to acquire your talents. 175 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 4: Is mariy bomb but you mentioned him a few times. 176 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:35,639 Is he the next Mike Davis? The guy that goes 177 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:40,039 undrafted and stays in the league for you know, six seven, 178 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,519 eight years? 179 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,399 Speaker 2: Man, I mean, that's exactly what I thought of when 180 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:48,200 he ran a time because man, I don't I don't 181 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,679 care if that's at a pro day, you know, wherever. 182 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:53,639 That's a heck of a fast guy. 183 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:54,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know. 184 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,159 Speaker 2: And and then you combine that with his physicality is length, 185 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,600 that's not common. I would not be surprised. I'm not 186 00:09:02,639 --> 00:09:05,360 predicting it because I think the teams are all kind 187 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,120 of locked into the same mentality they won him as 188 00:09:07,159 --> 00:09:11,440 a free agent, because there is some unknowns ass his 189 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,320 coverage technique, how how solid that is, how how much 190 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,480 you could translate the mentality of a dB, those kinds 191 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,879 of things. But I think he has the tools to 192 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,960 make it happen. But I would not be surprised to 193 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,399 see him get drafted after that, just because of how 194 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:27,240 rare that is. To find a guy with that speed 195 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,120 to size combination is just so rare, and you can't 196 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,399 really teach it, you know. It's like, we could teach 197 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,240 him how a you know trap, you know trap at 198 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,519 the corner. We could teach him hout a you know 199 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,679 press Man, we could teach do all this stuff, which, 200 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:42,000 by the way, I mean that's probably I mean press 201 00:09:42,039 --> 00:09:43,679 Man is you know what he did to Yu and 202 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,159 and a lot of teams are gonna be like, yeah, 203 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,159 we saw potential of that, so I would have be 204 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,000 done like I would not based on that forty It 205 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,799 would not be shocked to see him get drafted. 206 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 4: So in late rounds though, you think five six seven 207 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,879 type of deal because of that high oh yeah, side yeah. 208 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,039 Speaker 2: Well, so you gotta remember too, a lot of these 209 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,480 I mean, these guys want to keep their jobs too, 210 00:10:04,879 --> 00:10:08,440 remember that. Okay, So there's a there's so so I'm 211 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,360 trying to what I'm trying to do is help help 212 00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:13,720 the listeners understand the mentality of these decision makers. The 213 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,320 first mentality is we look at draft bixism as a 214 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,879 monetary system. What does it take to get the player 215 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:21,320 into our building even though we may value a guy 216 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,279 as much as some other teams value first rounders. That's 217 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,919 like what people don't get. The second thing is is 218 00:10:27,919 --> 00:10:29,759 a guy if a guy has looked at as kind 219 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:33,279 of this like a mamble guy, because I would say 220 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:38,320 he's not polished enough technique wise to where they're going 221 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:40,759 to draft him to in a slot that would be 222 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:43,919 justifiable for like a starting caliber guy like and that's 223 00:10:43,919 --> 00:10:46,720 first or fourth round, because what happens is is there's 224 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,840 too much of a downside if he comes in and 225 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:53,000 all of a sudden he doesn't pan out. You really 226 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,600 looked at as a time evaluator. That's a bad look 227 00:10:55,639 --> 00:10:58,360 for you like that that that doesn't get you fired, 228 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,120 but for surely arts to build the buzz around what 229 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:05,240 is this guy doing? And then all of a sudden 230 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,600 everything you start doing becomes extraly, you know, extra scrutinized. 231 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,759 So yeah, the conservative approach, I would say, the highest 232 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:14,519 sight see a guy that him going unless you have 233 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:18,240 I mean, the Cowboys could be one of those teams 234 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:20,799 that they just play with house money because they don't care. 235 00:11:20,799 --> 00:11:23,200 Because Jerry Jones is running the fantasy football team, right, 236 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:27,000 I could see them pulling the trigger out third round, 237 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:32,440 you know. But teams that have hired personnel departments that 238 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,240 are trying to prove themselves and really get a footing 239 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,279 in that world of player acquisition, they aren't gonna take 240 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,440 a huge chance in him because the downside of him 241 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,399 not panning out just hurts their career too much. And 242 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,360 so there's not gonna be pointy, is There's not gonna 243 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,679 be a lot of teams looking to take him like 244 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,639 that to take that risk. So for surely fifth or 245 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,320 seventh round and be probably his landing spot if he 246 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,639 gets drafted. If he doesn't, I'm gonna tell him ten, 247 00:11:56,799 --> 00:12:00,720 those guys are gonna they're going to attract tie dollars, 248 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:04,120 which probably would be the equivalent to getting drafted in 249 00:12:04,159 --> 00:12:06,320 the sixth or seventh round in the free agent market, 250 00:12:06,639 --> 00:12:09,399 and then they get the extra bonus of choosing the team. 251 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, I think Carson Bryan's an interesting prospect 252 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,240 as well. You wonder with his he had a great 253 00:12:17,799 --> 00:12:21,559 overall performance from what I saw three cone one of 254 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,320 the best shuttle four to two to two and a 255 00:12:25,399 --> 00:12:27,919 solid forty time two coming in and around that that 256 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,759 high four six low four seven number. He's got a 257 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:33,240 good bill to him, a pretty good explosives at thirty 258 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,039 thirty three and a half inch vertical, a nine to 259 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,799 seven broad and bench of twenty three. 260 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 5: What do you expect from Carson? And did he improve 261 00:12:40,639 --> 00:12:41,120 his stock? 262 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:44,879 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I think a lot of our guys 263 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:47,720 are in that you know, free agent six seventh round, 264 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,799 and I would I mean, with the money they're throwing 265 00:12:49,799 --> 00:12:51,720 out these free agents right now, I'd almost think it's 266 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,679 better to be a free agent to choose your your 267 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:57,879 landing spot. But I think he's in that same same spot, 268 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,480 you know, to so really as a tight end, be 269 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,759 a guy that they're like, hey, we're gonna draft you 270 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,720 in the top four rounds. You know what we what 271 00:13:08,759 --> 00:13:11,000 we needed to see out of him was more, hey, 272 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:13,879 if you're gonna man us up, you don't have a 273 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,440 chance kind of a situation, you know what I'm saying, 274 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,600 Like you can't like you the guys that they're going 275 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,639 to be for surely getting drafted. The guys that were 276 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,240 nightmare matchup wise in uh in coverage, you know, and 277 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,000 that's just the nature of you know, the game, you know, 278 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,480 and I don't I wouldn't say that he showed enough 279 00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:31,720 of that to where you're like, yeah, you know, he's 280 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:34,200 he's gonna get draft top four ounds because his numbers, 281 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,759 I would say justify him being drafted top four rounds, right. 282 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,840 But the main thing that comes down to is the 283 00:13:40,879 --> 00:13:44,600 fact that in his plane, he didn't really establish himself 284 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,799 as this miss this mismatched nightmare, or teams just couldn't 285 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,600 figure out how to match them up. You know, he 286 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,720 got det up pretty good with some backer. Now, yeah, 287 00:13:51,759 --> 00:13:54,200 he will loose and you had some good plays, and 288 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,480 he should be proud of that, no question, but that 289 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,679 that doesn't move the needle enough to a team, and 290 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:00,480 my opinions could be, oh, we to get him in 291 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,240 the top four rounds. 292 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. 293 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: Now if you want to see the comparison, you know, 294 00:14:04,879 --> 00:14:07,360 you turned to Jack Kelly. See Jack Kelly is the 295 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,480 guy that yeah, you know, they look at and they're like, 296 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,480 we've seen him already do what we feel like sands 297 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:18,480 Lakes to our level. That means he's he's immediately can 298 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,120 be used. And the downside of taking him those top 299 00:14:21,159 --> 00:14:24,399 four rounds is minimized because we can see it. It's 300 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:26,360 very evident. He can rush the pass, or he can 301 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:29,360 move in space. He's physical, he can you know, hit gaps, 302 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,639 he can diagnose the running play, he can run with 303 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:33,919 running backs, he can run with tight ends, you know, 304 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,240 all that stuff Jack Kelly showed. And so that's why 305 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:39,559 the team's like, yeah, that's that's easier for us to 306 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:42,399 to see the translation because, like I said, and that's 307 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,960 really what it comes down to, what your value is 308 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,519 coming out of college is how easy can a team 309 00:14:47,679 --> 00:14:49,919 see you fit in their scheme and be successful at 310 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,559 the at the next level. And that's, like I said, 311 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:54,519 that's why it's always incumbent on the player to help 312 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,679 these guys as much as possible because they just don't 313 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,440 have enough resources. So the message to all these other 314 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,679 guys like Carson and Tanner and Mambas, hey help them out, 315 00:15:04,279 --> 00:15:07,120 you know, and if they don't see it right now, 316 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:09,080 then go show it to him. And though they'll compensate 317 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:09,720 you accordingly. 318 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 4: Brad withpinga here on your Utah ESPN Radio network, a 319 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,399 little keeping up with the Cougar's talking some Cougar football 320 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,960 as well as BYU Proda Chase Roberts improved his forty 321 00:15:19,039 --> 00:15:21,840 time ends up running a four to five one. I 322 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,039 think he improved his twenty yard shuttle as well for 323 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,799 two eight and then a three coat of six y 324 00:15:25,879 --> 00:15:29,440 nine six point nine zero at his height his weight. 325 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,600 I think those are impressive numbers. Why is it that 326 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:36,759 there's always a discrepancy between combine forties and pro da forties. 327 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:38,279 Speaker 5: Typically it's about a tenth off. 328 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,399 Speaker 4: It seems a tent slower at the combine comparative to 329 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:42,240 the pro day. 330 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:45,919 Speaker 2: That's a good one. I mean, just sir, you know, 331 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,240 I mean we all know the famous downhill track that 332 00:15:50,279 --> 00:15:53,120 we had on the old turf. Do you remember that 333 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,480 back then, back of the day. 334 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, they never brought that down. I know Solberg got 335 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,320 to run on that one. I think he set a 336 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,840 record that year on that thing. 337 00:16:02,159 --> 00:16:05,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. And finally one of the scouts got down. I 338 00:16:05,279 --> 00:16:07,000 don't know if he got down on all fours or 339 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,039 the stomach. What he looked at is like, way, this 340 00:16:09,159 --> 00:16:10,960 is downhill. You know, coach home this whole time and 341 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:14,240 been running so and that's not new by the way, 342 00:16:14,279 --> 00:16:16,879 Like at Ohio State USC they would run on track 343 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:17,679 with spikes. 344 00:16:17,919 --> 00:16:18,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know. 345 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: So the there's that element of the actual track that 346 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,799 you're running on is just by nature because it's maybe 347 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,879 tilted or whatever, it is faster right now. The other 348 00:16:30,919 --> 00:16:33,000 element is a comfort level. You know, when you're at 349 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,519 your own space, you're you're on the field that you've 350 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:38,759 trained on for years, you're around your people, it's in 351 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:41,200 the middle of the afternoon, you haven't been put through 352 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,799 all these different interviews and tests and stress points. That's 353 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,600 just gonna be a situation where there's a higher probability 354 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,480 of high level performance, you know. And that's and that's 355 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,279 by design. That's why the combine is set up the 356 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,240 way it is. I think, like I've mentioned on the 357 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,519 air with you before, I do believe they soften that 358 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,399 a little bit because they do want to see guys 359 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,159 run fast because that means that the more guys are 360 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,480 going to participate at the combine in in their environment. 361 00:17:06,519 --> 00:17:07,960 And that's what these teams like do they want to 362 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,079 see They want to see you in their environment under 363 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:13,240 their kind of pressure points and see how you respond. 364 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,359 But yeah, I think I mean it's a it's a 365 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,759 good thing, you know. I don't think, like I said, 366 00:17:16,759 --> 00:17:19,759 with Chase, it's gonna, you know, drastically change your stock. 367 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:21,319 I still look at he's in the same but I 368 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,400 think those other guys where he's sixth, seventh, you know, 369 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:28,480 round or fifth, maybe fifth again with his his inconsistency 370 00:17:28,519 --> 00:17:31,119 of being an absolute just matchup nightmare, because he could 371 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,599 have been. You know, I think I think he showed 372 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:38,359 phenomenal flashes of hands time, you know, the back shoulder stuff, 373 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,119 jumping over smaller receivers like he did against Utah. You know, 374 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,640 we'll see how much these teams hold his hamstring against him, 375 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,480 which some will some will We'll say, hey, you either 376 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,680 play healthier or we're going to evaluate you like you 377 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,480 are healthy. And if you have your hamstring, we're gonna 378 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,039 look at you like you're you're healthy, and if you're 379 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:57,359 you're limited, then that's that's on you, you know what 380 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,799 I mean, That's just how these teams are. But that's 381 00:17:59,839 --> 00:18:02,119 a yeah, because I think I think he fits the 382 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,960 mold and I think Carson's the same way of what 383 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,400 NFL teams are looking for. And like I said, the 384 00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:10,640 draft pick again, I don't think people should get too 385 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,079 caught up with it because that's just the medium of exchange. 386 00:18:13,599 --> 00:18:15,799 You know, I can see both of those guys, all 387 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,880 these guys that we have, you know, even JT, you know, 388 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,799 getting in there and really just making it happen, whether 389 00:18:23,839 --> 00:18:27,039 he's drafted or not, just getting in there. And because JT, 390 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,079 you know, at times last year was our best defensive 391 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:31,880 front guy. I mean, he had moments where he just 392 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,079 took the game over, you know, And I think that's 393 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,960 that's a guy right there. I think if if there's 394 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,559 anybody I would have like, I'd bet on that he 395 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,279 gets he gets valued higher than everybody thinks, he would 396 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:46,160 be the guy because they're they're highly valued positioned interior noseguards, 397 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,559 three techniques. He's showing tremendous growth, like he's on a 398 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,559 really you know, his curve is steep and uh and 399 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:56,720 then he you know, he tested well considering how his 400 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:00,640 size and so yeah, I mean I see that a 401 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,440 lot of these guys to where it's like they just 402 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,440 need to get in the camp, get new a good situation, 403 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,680 and just get to work. And I think, you know, 404 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:10,039 they if they showed the same kind of growth and 405 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,000 attitude that they show to BYU and they're able to 406 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,559 capture that, which is hard it's hard to capture that 407 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,720 because plenty is you know, in that staff just they 408 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,839 create such a fun environment to plan. A lot of 409 00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:22,440 coaches don't believe in that. A lot of coaches are 410 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,759 the opposite when they want to make it a common 411 00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:28,400 suffering to where everybody has to bond through suffering, and 412 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,839 it's kind of annoying. You know. It's like, man, you 413 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,480 went from a place where it's like the environment was 414 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:35,559 conducive to be fun and loose, and now it's like 415 00:19:35,599 --> 00:19:38,160 you have to you have to find a place, a 416 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,200 happy place within yourself that's completely separate from the environment. 417 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,279 Because they want to make it help and they want 418 00:19:44,319 --> 00:19:46,359 to see guys who are going to respond because they 419 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,680 feel like that that kind of is the filter of 420 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,440 who's going to rise and be the tough guys and 421 00:19:50,759 --> 00:19:52,359 who they're gonna get rid of. You know, that's hard 422 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,119 for some people. But all of them are capable. Man, 423 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,039 all of them are really good football players test the world. 424 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,119 They try hard, they work hard, and man, I'm excited 425 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,920 to see what comes of it because I said, I 426 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,920 can see all these guys just getting in the right position, 427 00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:11,160 right situation and just oh exploding being starters. You know, 428 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,359 being like a Daniel Sorenson that's around for ten fifteen years. 429 00:20:14,599 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 4: I think it's interesting you brought up JT because as 430 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,519 I look at the list of guys that aren't like 431 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:22,079 the draftable prospects, they're more of the maybe late round 432 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,400 or undrafted free agent. I feel like from a football 433 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,720 player standpoint, and maybe even a twitch standpoint. 434 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,079 Speaker 5: Actually low key, I like Austin Lay USA. 435 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,759 Speaker 4: He's kind of a versatile kid, a versatile athlete like 436 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,240 guard tackle, maybe even put him at center. He tests 437 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,759 it out extremely well too, so I think that'll bode 438 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:42,000 well for him. I don't know what his arm length is, 439 00:20:42,079 --> 00:20:44,359 but I think his hands are pretty big and pretty 440 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,319 good arm length anyway. But JT, for as a football 441 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,440 player and twitchy, he kind of reminds me of Travis 442 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,200 Tweyloma back in his prime, kind of like a little 443 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,160 baby silver back. 444 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 5: And I thought he tests out well. 445 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 4: I hope he finds a spot as like, what do 446 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,960 you think he's more like a three tech? 447 00:21:01,279 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 5: Is he a five tech? What do you see him as? 448 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 2: No? No, he was very good anywhere from three to 449 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,400 one No meaning nos, you know three, two zero, you 450 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,200 know knows out to three and now, those guys are 451 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,759 so hard to find and they set your defense. And 452 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:18,000 that's why I mean, if you're going to overdraft on 453 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:21,079 a guy too, you overdraft on those guys because, by 454 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:24,400 the way, guess why, they're easier to hide, They're easier 455 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,160 to kind of fit. They don't pan out. It's like 456 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,920 they're kind of in the mix. They don't get a 457 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,759 lot of stats. Anyway, a dB is highly risky because 458 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:34,880 they're always on an island and if they're struggling, man, 459 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,200 everybody knows, right. So if I was going to bet 460 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,039 on a guy that gets picked higher or maybe go 461 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,759 you know, gets paid more than the free agent market 462 00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:47,160 than maybe something, thought, it'd be JT because he fits 463 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,559 the mold of a premium position, someone that you can hide, 464 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:52,279 meaning it's a little less risky for these guys the 465 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,160 town evaluators. And then he's he's on a really nice track. 466 00:21:56,279 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 5: Brady, real quick. 467 00:21:57,559 --> 00:21:59,759 Speaker 4: I know you love talking ball with us, but you 468 00:21:59,839 --> 00:22:04,759 do a lot during the day for your company health 469 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,680 human performance, fitness company. You guys do it all over 470 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,039 there building out gyms. 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You've both been most intrigued by players 512 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:04,440 that have stood out to you thus far. 513 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Bear's good because Bear has been very very comfortable, 514 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,759 like he is on it man, like he gets the 515 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:19,079 ball out quick. He understands what the defense is doing 516 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,559 very quickly. He presses all the defense's hot buttons in 517 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,240 terms of what's the weaknesses. He changes plays at the underscrimagine. 518 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:28,599 I think he was doing that last year, by the way. 519 00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:31,000 But you just see a comfort level with him that's 520 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:33,720 so impressive because at first last year I saw a 521 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:36,640 flash of that in his first practice because it was 522 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,400 the basic install. But then as they kind of install 523 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,519 more and more, you can see him with the old 524 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:44,920 paralysis by over analysis. And then during the season you 525 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,559 just saw this kind of you know, Roderick just trickling 526 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,519 information to him as he felt more and more comfortable. 527 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,160 And then by Texas Tech and then Georgia Tech. Wow, 528 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,559 those two games, by the way, And I've said this 529 00:24:57,599 --> 00:24:59,799 on there before, maybe I did, maybe I saw this, 530 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:04,440 but I just I really am excited for people to 531 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,079 see when we played teams like Texas Tech again next 532 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,240 year and we'll place some elite teams you told you 533 00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:13,359 one with bear fully healthy, fully comfortable in this offense. 534 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,000 It's gonna be a fun thing to see. I'm just 535 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,880 gonna tell you right now, because we saw in that 536 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,519 first drive. I want everybody to know that Texas Tech 537 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:23,640 had their hands on their hips looking at each other, going, 538 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,480 we cannot stop this guy, and lo behold you. He 539 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:28,039 hurts his ankle and all of a sudden it just 540 00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:31,920 got difficult. But he learned new information in that game, 541 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,519 Bear did and then he applied it against Georgia Tech 542 00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:36,240 when he still could have moved and Georgia Tech was 543 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,799 thrown all the blitzer at it, and that he could 544 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,880 now that he's back to one, he gained all that 545 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,359 new information. That's what I'm seeing. I'm seeing like a 546 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,319 veteran quarterback that's only a sophomore. 547 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 5: Pretty crazy. See how far he's gone with it. 548 00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And the thing is he's huge, you know, 549 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,359 like and he's not he's not a guy that's I 550 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,839 mean because if his size, a lot of people have 551 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,000 seen his number, they see him he's a runner. No, 552 00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:06,960 this guy can literally sit in the pocket and pick 553 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,039 you apart, and then all of a sudden sit in 554 00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:11,039 the pocket and once you're you know, if you've got 555 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:14,400 everything covered, he can break contain or break through the 556 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,160 middle of the pocket and all of a sudden, now 557 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,319 you're doing with a three hundred earth like two hundred 558 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:22,119 and thirty five maybe probably two hundred fifty pounds running back. 559 00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:24,799 That's got some momentum builds up that can run you over, 560 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,559 make you miss. I mean, it's it's a beautiful thing. 561 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,119 It'ssy I really don't know if we've seen anyone like him, 562 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,720 And I'm not trying to overhype him. I'm always trying 563 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,160 to think of comps. You know, Taysoum is a good 564 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:39,559 comp but Taysom couldn't throw. I mean, he Taysom throws 565 00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:42,200 the ball. I thought, well, but he's not at this level. 566 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,920 This is a level of throwing and running that and 567 00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:48,240 the running isn't the streaky running like we see with 568 00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:51,559 a Lamar Jackson or you know, like even you'll see 569 00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:54,759 that Patch Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers do. This is a big, physical, 570 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:58,000 wear you down runner. I don't know if we've seen 571 00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:02,160 anything like it. It's very fasting combination. And Roderick's done 572 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,880 a nice job building him up. Then he's done a 573 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,839 nice job responding and it's just like to see him 574 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,559 that comfortable. I mean, he's hard to defend. Man to 575 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,480 ask Kelly when you get him on again and say, 576 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,200 what's it been like with defending Bear to Spring, Kelly 577 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,680 was like, it's not been easy. He keeps reading. I mean, 578 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,839 because Kelly's got a lot of really good deceptive you know, 579 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:24,720 coverages and how they rotate the safeties and you don't 580 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,799 know what's coming until the doc of the ball snapped 581 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:30,240 and it does not seem to bother Bear. And then 582 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:33,519 if you show, I'm telling you you show too quick. 583 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,000 It's over. I mean, it is over. It's like it's done. 584 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:38,880 He knows what you're doing. He's gonna adjust, he's gonna 585 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,400 make make you pay. It's like the the blitz counts 586 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,759 for nothing kind of what he did, like against Georgia Tech. 587 00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:45,799 So it's fun. It's it's fun. We just got to, 588 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,480 you know, hopefully keep him healthy and keep him growing. 589 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,279 Speaker 4: Brady, Good ladies and gentlemen. Brady, always a pleasure, always 590 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:55,319 a blessing, talking ball with you. 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