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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ Costance New Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there was an interesting argument at the Massachusetts State

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court today which we have talked about before, and

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that some of you remember that in the

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<v Speaker 2>waning hours of the Charlie Baker administration back and would

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<v Speaker 2>have been in December of twenty twenty two, the legislature,

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<v Speaker 2>in their infinite wisdom, decided that it would be important

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<v Speaker 2>to work into a piece of legislation an obligation that

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<v Speaker 2>there are about one hundred and seventy seventy one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and seventy seven communities in eastern Massachusetts that are going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to again, according to an article here that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm reading, encourage this is from the State House News

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<v Speaker 2>Service by Colin Young, to encourage multifamily housing because either

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<v Speaker 2>those communities host or are adjacent to MBTA service. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>there is an argument that there is a housing shortage

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts, and there is a housing shortage in certain

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<v Speaker 2>portions of Massachusetts. Tough to buy something in the Greater

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<v Speaker 2>Boston area, particularly for people who are just trying to

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<v Speaker 2>start out. But again the General Court, in their infinite wisdom,

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<v Speaker 2>have decided that they would weave into a mandate into

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty twenty one economic development package at the last minute,

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<v Speaker 2>with little discussion. That's the way they do it up

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<v Speaker 2>at the legislature, provisions that have become a major piece

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<v Speaker 2>of the state strategy to encourage badly needed housing production.

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<v Speaker 2>So what this essentially says is okay, instead of communities

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<v Speaker 2>being allowed to zone their cities and towns the way

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<v Speaker 2>in which they want their cities and towns to be zone.

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<v Speaker 2>So for example, some cities in towns want to be

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<v Speaker 2>zoned as a bedroom community with you know, properties built

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<v Speaker 2>on you know, smaller portions of land half acre or

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<v Speaker 2>one third or one quarter acre lots, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they expect, and they'll have a lot of commercial services available.

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<v Speaker 2>Think framing him Route nine for example, which is lovely

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<v Speaker 2>for people who live close to there, but there are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be no homes on Route nine. In framing him,

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<v Speaker 2>just as an example, I mean, it's a restaurant after restaurant,

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<v Speaker 2>after shopping center, after sporting goods store, after a restaurant,

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<v Speaker 2>after shopping center, after more sporting goods stores, after danning salons. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't get the drift. But there are other communities

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<v Speaker 2>that say no, you know, we want to maintain open spaces. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>none of these communities, it's important to note, none of

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<v Speaker 2>these communities that now find themselves under or potentially under

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<v Speaker 2>this mandate from the state, none of these communities have

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<v Speaker 2>been accused of passing any sort of zoning requirements that

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<v Speaker 2>are illegal meaning unconstitutional, saying that we don't want, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>certain type of people to live in our community or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Even you know, no suggestion here of any form of discrimination.

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<v Speaker 2>It is simply we need more housing. Okay. Now, what

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<v Speaker 2>towns are going to be most affected? Pretty simple, the

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<v Speaker 2>towns that currently have dense housing circumstances and towns that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe are trying to maintain their character. One of those

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<v Speaker 2>towns is Milton, and the story is that initially the

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<v Speaker 2>Board of Selectmen in New went along with it because

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<v Speaker 2>with every obligation comes a little bit of sugar from

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<v Speaker 2>the state. So if you comply with what we want

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<v Speaker 2>you to do, you're going to get some additional money.

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<v Speaker 2>Is you're going to get some grants. There'll be something

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<v Speaker 2>there for you which you as the political leader in

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<v Speaker 2>this community, if you're a mayor or a city councilor

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<v Speaker 2>or an Alderman or whatever, this might help ease the

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<v Speaker 2>pain of this obligation. So Milton, the selectman in Milton,

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<v Speaker 2>they complied. They went along with it and said, we agree.

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<v Speaker 2>The people of Milton had a different point of view.

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<v Speaker 2>So the people of Milton held a special election last winter,

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<v Speaker 2>was in February, I believe, and the people in Milton

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<v Speaker 2>overrode the decision of the selectment in Milton. As a consequence,

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<v Speaker 2>Milton said, you're not gonna comply, okay now, According to

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<v Speaker 2>the Attorney General's Office, Andrea Campbell, quoting here, told reporters

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<v Speaker 2>before the SJC heard the oral arguments today, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>quoting here from an article that is in the Boston Globe,

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<v Speaker 2>housing affordability is the number one challenge currently facing Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>and Massachusetts residents. I'm not sure I'm going to agree

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<v Speaker 2>with the Attorney General on that, but that's her opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's the Attorney General. She told reporters before the

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<v Speaker 2>SJC heard oral arguments. The median price of a single

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<v Speaker 2>family home here in Massachusetts is almost one million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I find that kind of hard to believe, but you

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<v Speaker 2>know it's possible now in certain cities in certain areas,

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<v Speaker 2>it's one million dollars. Certainly, if you go to a

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<v Speaker 2>town like Weston or Wayland or Wellesley, as I've offered

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<v Speaker 2>referred to as the w communities, the more affluent communities, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>probably the single family home is almost maybe even over

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars. But that doesn't mean necessarily that those towns

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<v Speaker 2>should now be forced to change the character of the town.

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<v Speaker 2>Campbell said, the lack of affordable housing is driving people

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<v Speaker 2>out of our great state. Madam Attorney General, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that might be a factor. But as long as you

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<v Speaker 2>guys keep taxing people more and putting more obligations on them,

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<v Speaker 2>I think more people are going to go elsewhere, and

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<v Speaker 2>the places that they are going are places that are

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<v Speaker 2>more tax friendly states like South Carolina, Florida, Tennessee, and

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<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire. And as a matter of fact, there are

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<v Speaker 2>studies that support that. But the Attorney General is not

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<v Speaker 2>mentioning the overburdened taxes on people in Massachusetts. So she

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<v Speaker 2>is quoted in is un quoted, but says this is

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<v Speaker 2>an important case. Is quote. This is an important case

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<v Speaker 2>for two reasons. One to ensure the effectiveness of the

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<v Speaker 2>MBTA community's law as a tool to address our housing

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<v Speaker 2>crisis and to protect the rule of law and uphold

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<v Speaker 2>our legal structure here in Massachusetts. I don't. I'm almost laughing,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, there's a lot of laws that have

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<v Speaker 2>been passed in states around this country, not a maturity

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<v Speaker 2>general that that should not have been upheld. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>you need to understand that not every law. And she

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<v Speaker 2>was never she was on the city council but ran

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<v Speaker 2>for mayor of Boston and didn't win, and then ran

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<v Speaker 2>for Trinity General. But state legislatures passed stupid laws all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. So that's not the question for the court today.

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<v Speaker 2>The question for the court today is whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>this They're going to focus, according to the to the Globe,

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<v Speaker 2>on narrow legal issues, but the implications of the ruling

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<v Speaker 2>may be wide ranging and shape these states effort to

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<v Speaker 2>dig out of its criminal out of its deep housing shortage.

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<v Speaker 2>The law represents Massachusetts' most pointed attempt to produce more

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<v Speaker 2>housing in decades, and the principle behind it, compelling communities

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<v Speaker 2>to change restrictive zoning laws that have helped fuel the shortage,

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<v Speaker 2>is key to the state's housing strategy. All of that

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<v Speaker 2>is irrelevant and should not even be considered by the judges.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, the question is what did the legislature

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<v Speaker 2>vote for, what enforcement mechanism did they provide to the

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<v Speaker 2>attorney general? And is the state acting appropriately? The towns

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<v Speaker 2>do have a right to refuse this. It's as I

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<v Speaker 2>understand that in the statute. In the statute because there

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<v Speaker 2>are penalty provisions that if the towns refuse it, well

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<v Speaker 2>they won't get that grand or they won't get that

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<v Speaker 2>additional sugar cube from the state. Look, the politicians have

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<v Speaker 2>worked long and hard to destroy Massachusetts and to and

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<v Speaker 2>to change the structure of Massachusetts despite all of the

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<v Speaker 2>great advantages we have. We have here in Massachusetts, great schools,

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<v Speaker 2>great universities, none of which, except for the state college system,

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<v Speaker 2>were created. These are private colleges, great hospitals, none of

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<v Speaker 2>which were created by the legislature or the State of Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>Great economic engines, none of which were created by the

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<v Speaker 2>Great and General Court of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>that's great about Massachusetts besides the public education system at

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<v Speaker 2>the college level, the University of Massachusetts and it's various

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<v Speaker 2>U mass Boston, of which I'm a graduate. You loll

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<v Speaker 2>U mass Dartmouth, et cetera. Those are created, Those are

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<v Speaker 2>created by public forces. But Harvard wasn't created by the legislature.

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<v Speaker 2>M I. T. Boston College, Boston University, Northeastern those are

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<v Speaker 2>all private schools. Okay, the great hospitals, they were created,

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes in cases by by churches. So I just love

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<v Speaker 2>to read the language that is being put forward here,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope that some of you understand what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, because if the legislature and the Governor's office

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<v Speaker 2>whoever the governor is, and this is not a knock

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<v Speaker 2>on governor heally, this was created under Governor Baker as

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<v Speaker 2>he was heading out the door. And you know this

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<v Speaker 2>is fine. I mean, the legislature has has has done

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<v Speaker 2>more to screw up this state in the last fifty

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<v Speaker 2>years than it has ever done to fix this state.

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<v Speaker 2>And people need to start to understand that. And maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the State Supreme Court will understand that. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have to see how that all works. Their decision

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't made today. They'll take it under advisement and they'll

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<v Speaker 2>issue a decision at some point down the line. But

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<v Speaker 2>it seems to me the less point that zoning, zoning regulations,

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<v Speaker 2>as long as they are constitutional and as long as

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<v Speaker 2>they do not violate the civil rights of anyone, should

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<v Speaker 2>be left to the government that governs best, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the government that's closest to the people in Massachusetts, the

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<v Speaker 2>cities and towns six one, seven, two, five, four, ten

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. I

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<v Speaker 2>love this topic because I think it is a philosophical

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<v Speaker 2>topic as much as it is a legal one. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you believe in the power of government forcing communities,

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<v Speaker 2>smaller entities to do something that they don't want to do,

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<v Speaker 2>then you should hope that the Supreme Court will rule

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<v Speaker 2>in favor of the power brokers here in Massachusetts. If

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<v Speaker 2>you believe in things like individual freedom and the right

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<v Speaker 2>of self determination, under those circumstances, I think you should

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<v Speaker 2>hope that the state Supreme Court says to the legislature,

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<v Speaker 2>this is way beyond what you should do. You want

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<v Speaker 2>to increase housing in Massachusetts, pass some programs, have some incentives,

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<v Speaker 2>allow the private sector to get involved. They will build,

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<v Speaker 2>build probe, they will build housing, they will build it

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<v Speaker 2>and people will come. We're back on nightside. You got

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers. I'm kind of wound up I want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear from you back on Nightside after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, one member of the town of Milton who

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<v Speaker 2>was in court today has been on the show before

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<v Speaker 2>and she's joining us at Kerry. Why Kerry, How are

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<v Speaker 2>you tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm great, tone, thanks for taking my call.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was the reaction of the judges today? Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I do not believe you're a lawyer, but I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you talk to you lawyers afterwards. You're actually, in effect

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<v Speaker 2>that defend did in this case? Are you're not? Or

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<v Speaker 2>is the No?

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<v Speaker 3>That's correct. I'm a defendant in this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're the defendant. You're the defendant because you're one

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<v Speaker 2>of the rabbel rousers fought.

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<v Speaker 3>Against this indeed, a rabble rouser from a long line

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<v Speaker 3>of rabble rousers. Yes, So yeah, Dan, What.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you take from from the questions and the comments

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<v Speaker 2>and the observations from the judges from the judges up.

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<v Speaker 3>There today, Sure, I was very interested to hear you

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<v Speaker 3>just mentioned the announcement from the age this morning before

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<v Speaker 3>the oral arguments began. I didn't know that until I

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<v Speaker 3>heard you just report that, Thank you, reporter Dan. The

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<v Speaker 3>thing is that clearly some people in the courtroom got

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<v Speaker 3>her message. If not, if even if she had not

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<v Speaker 3>been pretty clear beforehand, you know what her stances about

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<v Speaker 3>her case here. However, one of the justices multiple times

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<v Speaker 3>stated during or or arguments, he stated multiple times there's

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<v Speaker 3>a housing crisis. Now to me, okay, yeah, And as

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<v Speaker 3>you mentioned, there are many variables variables that impact the

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<v Speaker 3>the w towns for example, they have many things that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, variables that impact what the cost of housing

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<v Speaker 3>is in those towns, not the least of which is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a lot size, and you know, among other things,

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<v Speaker 3>interest rates, right, you know what a house cost today

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<v Speaker 3>in rail dollars for you know, a family is different

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<v Speaker 3>than it was even a few years ago. But one

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<v Speaker 3>of the things is, you know, when I heard this

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<v Speaker 3>justice say this, I kept thinking, Okay, well that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>He's saying this, and he's saying it multiple times. That

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<v Speaker 3>housing crisis. It's interesting because I thought, for example, our

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<v Speaker 3>attorney he did a very good job, you know, in

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<v Speaker 3>presenting the arguments I thought they were well presented, thoughtful,

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<v Speaker 3>mean that in a folksy sort of point, if you will,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think it was, you know, it was quite fair.

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<v Speaker 3>On the other hand, I would say if the representative

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<v Speaker 3>he stumbled a little bit. I will say that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there were a couple of questions that you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>justices have for him, for example, you know, about whether

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<v Speaker 3>our case was meaningless, because there were some words that

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<v Speaker 3>he said to the effect of, well, what about their vote?

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<v Speaker 3>What about the vote that they held, you know, back

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<v Speaker 3>in February. It was, in fact, on February fourteenth, the

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<v Speaker 3>I loved it. And she asked him specifically, so were

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<v Speaker 3>you saying that their vote is meaningless? And he sort

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<v Speaker 3>of stumbled a little bit, you know in his response.

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<v Speaker 3>So then one of the other judges asked, well, don't

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<v Speaker 3>the rule of law is meaningless, and he kind of armed,

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<v Speaker 2>Say, and well, let's let me ask you this though.

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<v Speaker 2>The question is is it's difficult to handicap how judges

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<v Speaker 2>will vote. Sometimes they ask questions, absolutely but explatory. How

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<v Speaker 2>did you become a defendant in this.

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<v Speaker 3>We filed for amicus briefs to support our defense. So

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<v Speaker 3>how did you want?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you named as a defendant in this case?

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<v Speaker 3>Carry not personally the defendant, I'm a signatory to one

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<v Speaker 3>of the amicus braves. That's it, okay, So you're the

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<v Speaker 3>defendant the town the town.

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<v Speaker 2>The defendant is the town of Milton, Okay. And you

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<v Speaker 2>obviously signed Dawn as a resident of Milton to one

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<v Speaker 2>of the amicas briefs, which is fine, okay, no, no problem, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And what did.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyone under any other towns? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, did anyone on the court? Yes? Would you say

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<v Speaker 2>that one hundred and twenty towns have signed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>For the various briefs that we have three different amicus

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<v Speaker 3>briefs which we have filed to support this. One is

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<v Speaker 3>related to small business because stating that this was not

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<v Speaker 3>to small businesses and the various towns that have will

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<v Speaker 2>It's not as if you're not telling me that one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty one towns have taken a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>Going to go along with it, right right, I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 3>people from one hundred and twenty different towns. That's irrelevant

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<v Speaker 3>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's totally irrelevant to me. I can't use the word

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<v Speaker 2>irrelevant any more than six times in order to tell seldom.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to go there because the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you're three people, If you have three people at

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<v Speaker 2>Waltham and four people in Lexington, it doesn't matter, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it matters how the various towns Milton is obviously going

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<v Speaker 2>to be made. They're going to make an example of

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<v Speaker 2>you potentially and say, okay, you have to comply to

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<v Speaker 2>force this. Did any of the justices and my last

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<v Speaker 2>question before we got to go to news and then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get some phone calls, did any of the justices?

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<v Speaker 2>Did any of the justices say, hey, this whole question

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<v Speaker 2>of housing traditionally is a decision that is made at

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<v Speaker 2>the local level. I mean, the governor doesn't tell Milton

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<v Speaker 2>how to zone Milton and whether to allow a bowling

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<v Speaker 2>alley to come into or a golf driving range, or

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<v Speaker 2>a new apartment building. That is traditionally a local rule

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, local rules and regulations. Did any of

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<v Speaker 2>the justices even address that issue?

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<v Speaker 3>They did, They did. They raised that you know, not case,

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<v Speaker 3>but they they've been made that point specifically, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>in different words than you just used, but basically saying,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that these are local, you know, choices local.

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<v Speaker 3>So cool. And then.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to me it's an overreaction for the legislature

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<v Speaker 2>and the governor to try to tell one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>seventy seven cities and towns in eastern Massachusetts how they

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<v Speaker 2>should zone their communities absent absent some you know, constitutional

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<v Speaker 2>issues in which individual people or groups of people are

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<v Speaker 2>being denied their constitutional rights? Is what? Yes, what if

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<v Speaker 2>I was, That's how I would be inclined to.

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<v Speaker 3>Rule exactly, and did ask Yeah, two of the judges

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<v Speaker 3>Dan did exactly ask you know, questions on that line too,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the AGCs attorney and as specifically about what

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<v Speaker 3>you're saying, what these people are asking for is against

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<v Speaker 3>their town charter. And he seems to mystified that we

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<v Speaker 3>had a town harder a town charter, and she said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you do understand they have a town charter. They set

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<v Speaker 3>their local rules, they set their zoning, they make choices

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<v Speaker 3>for themselves. So they did. They seem balanced. I felt, Okay, Kerrie.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta I gotta take a break here because we're

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom of the hour. We got a newscast

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<v Speaker 2>coming up. I've got a couple of callers lined up.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk to them and continue to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Six ten thirty six seven thirty. This to me just

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<v Speaker 2>is an egregious overstep that the folks at the State

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<v Speaker 2>House have decided they are going to come down on

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<v Speaker 2>these local communities. And I don't know how your state

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<v Speaker 2>representatives or your state senator voted on this, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that should be taken in consideration, I think politically,

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<v Speaker 2>because this becomes to me more of a political effort

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<v Speaker 2>by the state to have its way. And I hope

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<v Speaker 2>that the State Supreme Court basically says to themselves, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we're there to uh consider the interest not only of

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<v Speaker 2>the powerful and elite on Beacon Hill, but the communities.

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<v Speaker 2>Every one of these communities should have their own input.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll take a break. Coming back on night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's let's go to the phones. Carrie White

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<v Speaker 2>is my guest. She is a Milton resident. She was

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<v Speaker 2>in the State Supreme Court today and uh, it gave

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<v Speaker 2>us a little bit of a heads up as to

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<v Speaker 2>what was said and what wasn't said. And let's go

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<v Speaker 2>to some of our listeners. The only lines open right now,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, happened to be six one seven. If

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<v Speaker 2>you want to get in, let me go to Greg

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<v Speaker 2>Is and Shrewsbury. Hi, Greg, how are you tonight? Welcome? Good?

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<v Speaker 4>How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Dan?

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<v Speaker 5>Like to talk to you again?

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<v Speaker 2>Do just great? Say? How to carry White? I know

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<v Speaker 2>that that you from Shrewsbury, a town that is also

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<v Speaker 2>said we do not want to participate in this this

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<v Speaker 2>this program that will I think fundamentally change a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of what Shrewsbury is all about.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah. We've been fighting here a group of us.

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<v Speaker 5>But I did listen, you know, I wanted to make

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<v Speaker 5>a couple of comments. I did listen to the SJC

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<v Speaker 5>case today, and what I found interesting was there was

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<v Speaker 5>kind of two camps. I don't know, I think it

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<v Speaker 5>was justice. Uh, Cofker, and what he had said was

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<v Speaker 5>really leaning on the side of giving the benefit of

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<v Speaker 5>the doubt to the commonwealth on everything. He had this

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<v Speaker 5>concept of paper tiger. Essentially he's saying that, well, I

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<v Speaker 5>don't believe that the penalty was strong enough, so just

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<v Speaker 5>by giving up those grants, you really believe that's what

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<v Speaker 5>the legislature intended. And I thought from a legal standpoint,

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<v Speaker 5>justices are supposed to look at it and say what

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<v Speaker 5>is the way actually say? But he was really way

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<v Speaker 5>and you listen to it's terrible, right. So the only

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<v Speaker 5>thing I'm concerned about is I really focused on thirty

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<v Speaker 5>a concept. It seems like that's legally where they're focused on.

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<v Speaker 5>And for those who don't know, it's really regulations versus guidelines,

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<v Speaker 5>where it used the language of guidelines inside of the statute,

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<v Speaker 5>but they are treating them as regulations, meaning thou shall

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<v Speaker 5>and didn't go through the right process, which is where

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<v Speaker 5>that small business piece comes into. The reason I say

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<v Speaker 5>that is I think you made a point earlier Dan on, well,

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<v Speaker 5>did they talk about local towns should have control over zoning? Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 5>I think with forty B in the past those have

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<v Speaker 5>kind of gone by the wayside and they agree that, well, no,

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<v Speaker 5>they can create statutes in legislature and impose zoning on communities, right.

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<v Speaker 5>But to what extent I think is where they're focusing

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<v Speaker 5>this case on and essentially saying, well, is that allowable

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<v Speaker 5>to say if we define a penalty of well, you

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<v Speaker 5>don't get to participate in the grant if you choose

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<v Speaker 5>a town not to is that good enough or can

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<v Speaker 5>the Attorney General essentially come on top of that and say, no,

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<v Speaker 5>you still have to do what we are demanding. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's it seemed to me listening that's where

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<v Speaker 5>the case is going to come down to, this whole

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<v Speaker 5>concept of thirty eight. Because they talked about it a

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<v Speaker 5>lot today. I know that's a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 5>legal minutia there, but for those who didn't take the

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<v Speaker 5>time to listen, that's what I took away from it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, is there anything in the statute that

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<v Speaker 2>said the Attorney General could enforce this law? Because as

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<v Speaker 2>I read this statue, it was kind of a carrot

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<v Speaker 2>and a stick. If you comply, you're going to get some,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, sugar, some grants. If you don't comply,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to withhold that sugar. We're going to withhold

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<v Speaker 2>those grants.

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<v Speaker 5>No, they didn't, but they referred back to this forty

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<v Speaker 5>A section seven, and I think they were saying, like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it's one of these legal things that says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't say it in the statute we wrote, but

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<v Speaker 5>it's connected to this other piece of legislation, so you

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<v Speaker 5>should know that by that they could. I thought the

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<v Speaker 5>Town of Milton's attorney made a very good case when

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<v Speaker 5>he went through why the attorney general does not have

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<v Speaker 5>purview because if there's plenty of other statutes where they

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<v Speaker 5>specifically state that your relief is, the attorney general does

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<v Speaker 5>have the ability to, I guess rule on something and

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<v Speaker 5>it and it isn't specific. So I think that is

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<v Speaker 5>potentially there that say, hey, you really don't have the authority.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not written into the statute. So really the only

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<v Speaker 5>thing is that Milton is a green or any town

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<v Speaker 5>right agrees to give up grants by not having the

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<v Speaker 5>zoning in place, which is a choice that each town

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<v Speaker 5>should be able to make.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's to simplify it totally. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you if your kid doesn't want to eat as

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<v Speaker 2>vegetables at dinner and you say to your child, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't eat your vegetables. There's no ice cream for dessert.

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<v Speaker 2>It's as simple as that. Uh. The parent doesn't say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm going to stuff those those that broccoli

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<v Speaker 2>and down your throat, which is what But it seems

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<v Speaker 2>to me the comwell wants to do here metaphorically in

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<v Speaker 2>they want to do that.

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<v Speaker 5>With everything though, yes, agreed, but they want to do

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<v Speaker 5>it with everything. It's not just housing, right, it's this

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<v Speaker 5>whole power and control.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>They want to be able to tell you, yes, this

432
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<v Speaker 5>is what you can do because it's my belief system. Right.

433
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<v Speaker 5>This whole blog goes back to a worldview of eliminating

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<v Speaker 5>suburbs and you know, squeezing people down at these spaces

435
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<v Speaker 5>because of other reasons. Right, that people have a worldview

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<v Speaker 5>that way.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you live in a one party state, when

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<v Speaker 2>you live in a one party state, uh, that party

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<v Speaker 2>tends to say, well, we can impose our will on

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<v Speaker 2>the people irrespective, and you know, maybe you guys are

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<v Speaker 2>going to suffer some inconvenience, but the next piece of

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<v Speaker 2>legislation might impose on another another group of another group

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<v Speaker 2>of people. That's why That's why the principle here is

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<v Speaker 2>is so important. Was there anyone in the Court, Greg

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<v Speaker 2>who you felt we're listening and we're inclined to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a secon that arguments a pretty good argument. Maybe

447
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<v Speaker 2>the authority was not granted to the Attorney in general

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<v Speaker 2>and this is what the step of her authority.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought Justice Winlin she did a very good job

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<v Speaker 5>as far as questioning, but she has very good questions

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<v Speaker 5>that were very fair. I think on both sides she's

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<v Speaker 5>seemed very engaged in all the dialogue. So I actually,

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<v Speaker 5>really I never really listened to our s JC, and

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<v Speaker 5>know I've listened to Supreme Court, but I was actually

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<v Speaker 5>pleasantly surprised. I figured they were all going to be

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<v Speaker 5>coming down against Milton, and they weren't, So I thought

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<v Speaker 5>for the primarily, I think the only person I really

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<v Speaker 5>felt was super on the comonwealth side was Cosker. Everybody

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<v Speaker 5>else I felt very good questions, and if I was

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<v Speaker 5>looking at it, I thought more questions were asked as

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<v Speaker 5>the Commonwealth than there were of the town of Milton.

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<v Speaker 5>The thing that did bother me, I will say back

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<v Speaker 5>to a comment I believe you made earlier on the

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<v Speaker 5>Commonwealth attorney. One thing that bothered me the most is

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<v Speaker 5>when one of the justices asked about the additional grants

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<v Speaker 5>that were added. Hey, four grants, we went to thirteen.

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<v Speaker 5>He started laughing. He thought it was funny.

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<v Speaker 3>He did, yeah, he laughed.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, what he's laughing about it, Like, of

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<v Speaker 5>course we can do that. We can do anything we want.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>That's essentially how I took it. And I just thought

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<v Speaker 5>it was really kind of disrespectful if I looked at

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<v Speaker 5>it from the standpoint of the residents.

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<v Speaker 2>So enlarged it? Did? They enlarge the number of brands

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<v Speaker 2>that can be given and also withheld? Is that beyond

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<v Speaker 2>what the statue indicated?

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<v Speaker 5>Is that they added what they could take away. So

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<v Speaker 5>in the statute written there was three. They added up

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<v Speaker 5>of course in the actual law, and then in the

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<v Speaker 5>guidelines it went up to thirteen. And that was what

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<v Speaker 5>one of the justices asked about, Hey, if this is

483
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<v Speaker 5>you know, how do you add additional penalties? And he

484
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<v Speaker 5>thought it was funny. He laughed about it, like, oh,

485
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<v Speaker 5>let me just tell you why.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the hubris and arrogance of people who feel that

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<v Speaker 2>they have authority and power to impose their will right whatever. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>the decision is going to come down in a few

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<v Speaker 2>weeks or maybe a couple of months. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a really interesting decision as to what happens. Great

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you, Carl, Thank you so much. Keep up the fight.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome. Take a quick break at Bob and Wakefield

494
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<v Speaker 2>coming up fill in Boston and holding Carry White with us,

495
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<v Speaker 2>one of the Milton residents who is really at the

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<v Speaker 2>center of the case that was argued today in Massachusetts

497
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<v Speaker 2>State Supreme Court. But it is the case that really

498
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<v Speaker 2>affects not just Milton. It affects about one hundred and

499
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<v Speaker 2>seventy seven cities in towns which are called so called

500
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<v Speaker 2>MBTA communities, and they're trying to have a nexus. They're

501
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<v Speaker 2>trying to create a nexus between housing and MBTA accessibility.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just seems to me that the implications for

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<v Speaker 2>some of these communities, like yours, carry is not so

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<v Speaker 2>much MBTA. But what sort of an impact would this

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<v Speaker 2>have on your school system? How many more kids will

506
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<v Speaker 2>it add to the school system? How much more will

507
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<v Speaker 2>it cost taxpayers in the town of Milton to absorb

508
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<v Speaker 2>the additional costs of these and what will it do

509
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<v Speaker 2>to the to the quality of life Milton as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is something that to me is a fundamental issue,

511
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<v Speaker 2>and that's why I'm so concerned about it, and I hope,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish more of our audience were concerned about it,

513
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<v Speaker 2>because if you turn a deaf ear to this, ladies

514
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<v Speaker 2>and gentlemen, it could be an area that you have

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<v Speaker 2>some interest in. Uh, at another point in time down

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<v Speaker 2>the road, we'll be back on night Side. I got

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of open lines at six one seven, nine,

518
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<v Speaker 2>three one ten thirty and one at six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four to ten thirty. As a matter of fact, if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't die right now, don't bother because we're only

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<v Speaker 2>going to get about two or three callers in. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're changing topics at nine o'clock we have another guest

523
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<v Speaker 2>schedule or not at nine o'clock at ten o'clock, excuse me.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you want to get in and express it

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<v Speaker 2>a point, express a point of view, now is the

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<v Speaker 2>time to dial. If you wait too long, it won't

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<v Speaker 2>get on. Coming back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Light Side Studios on WBZ the news radio, Let me Go.

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<v Speaker 2>Next to Bob and Wakefield. Bob, appreciate your patience. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much for for holding on. You are next

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<v Speaker 2>on night side with my guests. Carry White, Milton resident

533
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<v Speaker 2>who found herself sitting in the State Supreme Court today

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<v Speaker 2>and listening to an argument in which she she somehow

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<v Speaker 2>was named as a defendant.

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<v Speaker 6>Go right ahead, Bob dan Kerry and Carry.

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<v Speaker 2>Strike that, Bob, I misspoke. She's not a defendant, but

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<v Speaker 2>she is. She's she is a representative of the town

539
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<v Speaker 2>of Milton, which is the defendant in this particular case.

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<v Speaker 2>Go right, go ahead, Bob.

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<v Speaker 6>First of all, Carry, I want to thank you in

542
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<v Speaker 6>the town of Milton for taking the state on this.

543
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<v Speaker 6>This is this is a real problem here. The one

544
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<v Speaker 6>thing that really irks me is the this law is

545
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<v Speaker 6>a mandate without funding, and as many many laws that

546
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<v Speaker 6>come in without funding, uh these I think it's gonna

547
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<v Speaker 6>I personally think this is going to bankrupt many cities

548
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<v Speaker 6>and towns that this think goes for it. The risk

549
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<v Speaker 6>of and the risk of receiving the grants that always

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<v Speaker 6>have strings to them attached are and quite frankly, even

551
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<v Speaker 6>the state litigation, whatever that is, I have no idea

552
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<v Speaker 6>what they would what they would do. I have no

553
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<v Speaker 6>idea what the dollar amount with they what would happen

554
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<v Speaker 6>if they did sue the cities in towns that don't

555
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<v Speaker 6>go along with this. It is really peen. It's compared

556
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<v Speaker 6>to what it's going to cost these citizen in towns

557
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<v Speaker 6>to actually handle. In our case, you know, over two

558
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<v Speaker 6>thousand housing units that we have to that we have

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<v Speaker 6>to supply the infrastructure for.

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<v Speaker 5>It is absolutely ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 6>At our town meeting in the spring, I asked the

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<v Speaker 6>superintendent during the school budget which was went through kicking

563
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<v Speaker 6>and screaming, was I think it was over fifty million

564
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<v Speaker 6>dollars whatever it was? I asked him, is you know

565
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<v Speaker 6>what is shape is our schools? And can we handle

566
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<v Speaker 6>this additional influx of individuals, you know, kids coming into

567
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<v Speaker 6>the town. And he says, no, we're a capacity, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>So that's that is the bottom line. And plus it's

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<v Speaker 6>it's over eighteen thousand bucks a piece per student per

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<v Speaker 6>year to put one student through through the system, and

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<v Speaker 6>it's just unsustained. We're already we're overbuilding like crazy. We've

572
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<v Speaker 6>got apartments and condos everywhere I turn around at building them.

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<v Speaker 6>And we've also got a, we've got a brand new

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<v Speaker 6>high school going up right now, we've got an override

575
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<v Speaker 6>for that, and uh, you know, and the point is,

576
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<v Speaker 6>we don't have any extra classrooms. We don't have an

577
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<v Speaker 6>extra school to put them in, we don't have the

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<v Speaker 6>land to build a school, and we certainly don't have

579
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<v Speaker 6>the money to pay for a new school and the staff.

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<v Speaker 6>And then you add that to the infrastructure. I'm just

581
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<v Speaker 6>talking in general, because this is happening to every city

582
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<v Speaker 6>town here because of the infrastructure until deycat capacity. I

583
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<v Speaker 6>asked the DPW director, even our pumping facility, pumping station,

584
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<v Speaker 6>are we at capacity for that? Because we have to

585
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<v Speaker 6>get into that. That's man's and millions of dollars. And

586
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<v Speaker 6>obviously the increased traffic and the lack of quality of life,

587
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<v Speaker 6>it just goes on and on and on and on

588
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<v Speaker 6>and on. So this is this is really, this is

589
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<v Speaker 6>a real problem, and this has just got to stop.

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<v Speaker 6>This is and this, by the way, this is a

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<v Speaker 6>national trend. This isn't just Massachusetts, you know. The national

592
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<v Speaker 6>trend is just they're depering with local control, zoning control.

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<v Speaker 6>Many of the larger cities really have been ruined by

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<v Speaker 6>by out of control policies for decades, and now, in

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<v Speaker 6>my opinion, the power brokers and some of the developer

596
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<v Speaker 6>buddies they're coming into the suburbs and they're going to

597
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<v Speaker 6>screw them up just like they did the cities. That's

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<v Speaker 6>my opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you bring up a lot of good points in Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>If you don't mind me just say one thing Dan

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<v Speaker 3>was saying in the intro was talking about how you

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<v Speaker 3>know public policy or public you know you Dan, you

603
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<v Speaker 3>made references to, you know, some of the you know, universities,

604
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<v Speaker 3>and with the exception of public education, so many of

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<v Speaker 3>the great things in Massachusetts or what were developed in

606
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<v Speaker 3>Massachusetts or innovations in Massachusetts were privately funded, including some

607
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<v Speaker 3>of the hospitals, and one thing in the town of

608
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<v Speaker 3>Milton in particular that in addition to the things that

609
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<v Speaker 3>you just mentioned like water sewer, police, you know, public safety,

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<v Speaker 3>we are now also absorbing in our town the closure

611
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<v Speaker 3>of the Carney Hospitals. That again was a p that

612
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<v Speaker 3>initially private hospital funded by the Catholic Church, started by

613
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<v Speaker 3>the Catholic Church, and now that closure is again in

614
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<v Speaker 3>undating a time. This is without the building of all

615
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<v Speaker 3>the additional housing units that the state would like us

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<v Speaker 3>to build. So we have all the same issues that

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<v Speaker 3>you just mentioned, sir, you know the with water sew

618
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<v Speaker 3>or you know all of these things. You know there's

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<v Speaker 3>zero thought gone into any of those things, and how

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<v Speaker 3>to fund that or how to help subsidize that, if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to use that word zero.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, Terry, come, I just told you one thing. Our

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<v Speaker 6>town meeting in the spring, we voted forty down to

624
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<v Speaker 6>thirty to two or seven. So we voted that thing down. Goodbye. Well,

625
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<v Speaker 6>the planning which sponsors that they did, allows you job.

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<v Speaker 6>So the town councilors, they got together and we're bringing it.

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<v Speaker 6>They're bringing it back in November, so we go to

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<v Speaker 6>battle it all over again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, number I.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to get any abob. I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 6>You dance, thanks a lot, Well, keep it going, okay,

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<v Speaker 6>by thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a very important issue in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Next to Okay, let's go next to Phil in Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Phil just s getching out of the wire here in

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<v Speaker 2>the right head you're on with Kerry White.

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<v Speaker 4>Go ahead. That was all. I thank the genuinady. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>off from Milton. I like ride through it every day

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<v Speaker 4>in this nice little community. I just don't know where

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<v Speaker 4>they would even put these where would they do and

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<v Speaker 4>if it not places down to doom them up? I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>just as hothing makes to the other gentlemen, it's the

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<v Speaker 4>school apartment, the analysis, the traffic. I just don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It might be cheaper just to get rid of the

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<v Speaker 4>trolley tracks and don't have any buses coming in.

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<v Speaker 3>There are many people in our town that said that

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<v Speaker 3>same thing. Boston is exempt from. The think about that Boston,

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<v Speaker 3>who is absolutely an MBTA community, is not subtituting.

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<v Speaker 4>Law an assassin matter pen. It's part of Boston, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>My question is is that, Dan, do you remember the

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<v Speaker 4>years ago when they were knocked out all those houses

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<v Speaker 4>and High Park They were going to make it a

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<v Speaker 4>nice little true way from I guess once twenty eight

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<v Speaker 4>to Boston. They knocked out those houses down West Street

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<v Speaker 4>and High Park and those places. I don't remember that

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<v Speaker 4>at all.

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<v Speaker 2>How long ago was that, Phil, I have a tough time.

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<v Speaker 4>Late late sixties, maybe a late sixties, early seventies. They

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<v Speaker 4>knocked these houses down. Then they after I knocked them down,

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<v Speaker 4>then they decided, no, we don't need the road because.

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<v Speaker 2>Well they were they were they were going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>There was going to be a road which was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be extension I think of one twenty eight. It

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<v Speaker 2>was going to go through Rockney.

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, Southwest express Way and yeah, but again they

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<v Speaker 2>were those houses probably were taken by eminent domain, which

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<v Speaker 2>in south very questionable. Hey, Phil, thanks reminding them that

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<v Speaker 2>of us of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank good luck to that lady. Thank you right, Thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You, Carrie, best of Locke. Keep us posting as to

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<v Speaker 2>how this works out, because not only it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>work out one way or the other for the town

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<v Speaker 2>of Milton, but for also one hundred and seventy seven

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<v Speaker 2>other communities and most people I'm paying attention to this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that's done at the legislature. You're paying attention to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and whether you support it or oppose it, at least

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<v Speaker 2>you are paying attention. And the sad part is the legislature,

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<v Speaker 2>as dumb as they are, they're smart enough to know

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<v Speaker 2>that most people who are working in this state are

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<v Speaker 2>too busy working, making a living, paying their taxes to

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<v Speaker 2>pay attention to the stuff that goes on up there

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<v Speaker 2>which affects them. At the end, it's a very it's

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<v Speaker 2>a gamed system in many.

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<v Speaker 3>Respects, and it is it is, yeah, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you think about that they are the ones helping to

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<v Speaker 3>drive people away from this state. Right Just college kids

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<v Speaker 3>graduate and they say, I can't afford to stay here.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a nice education, thank you, BC, but now

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<v Speaker 3>I got to go somewhere. So Carolina, Texas, wherever you

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<v Speaker 3>got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Kerry, appreciate you call. Let's keep in touch on it

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<v Speaker 2>and keep me posted when the decision can down.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, thanks Dan, absolutely, Thanks Thanks Gerry, talk to you

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<v Speaker 3>so good night.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to come back and we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the big story of the day, which is that

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<v Speaker 2>this is the first year anniversary of what happened in

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<v Speaker 2>October seventh, and if you do not if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>outraged at what happened on that day, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what your sense of history is. We'll explain right after

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<v Speaker 2>the ten o'clock news with my guest Jason Greenberg coming

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<v Speaker 2>up at the other side of the tent.