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Speaker 1: There was a guy I talked to who there was

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a knock at the door and he opened the door

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and it looked like there was David Jacobs standing there.

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Dr David Jacobs, and there was a woman holding a baby.

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He was looking at them. There was something really wrong

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about them, and like, what's David Jacob's doing turning up

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at his front door just unannounced? And they started saying,

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you know who I am. We're going to come in now,

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let them in, and then instantly, like an hour's gone

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and he's just sitting on his sofa and he doesn't

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Speaker 2: Infinite complete people went to and frow the earth about

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their little affairs, serene and the assurance of their dominion

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over this more binning fragment of solar dripped wood, which,

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by chance or design, man has inherited out of the

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dark mystery of time and fleece.

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Speaker 3: Hello, everybody, welcome back to into the Fray. On this episode,

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I welcome back Simon boun and he is a published

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author and also a podcaster. And last time we covered

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this is five sixty two that I'm referring to. I

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very aptly name that Aspects of Alien Abduction, which is

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the title of the book with the subtitle Shocking UFO Encounters,

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with a foreword by Mike kleelland who I've also spoken to.

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Wonderful chap just like yourself. But welcome back, Simon.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's really good to be here. I enjoyed our

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last chat. I'm sure we can get into more stuff now.

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Speaker 3: Yes we will, And in fact, last time we did

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touch on some of your own personal experiences, which I

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but on this time around because last time I focused

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your book is quite large. There's plenty of subjects and

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cases to cover. Last time I focused on high strangeness

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and hybrids chapters, this time around sightings and childhood experiences.

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So I kind of wanted to open with where is

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it here? Just a couple of sentences from the sightings chapter,

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because it's a question, of course that is probably one

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of the biggest ones in the UFO's lash alien abduction

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scenario subject When a UFO is clearly visible, is that

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visibility accidental or intentional? If it is intentional, why so?

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but why it was seen at all. And I think

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that that's probably a question and it'll be posed to

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you after I'm done with my very verbose opening here.

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But I think a lot of you guys that have

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these experiences, you kind of do go, well, why me?

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don't see anything strange in the sky or anything weird

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in their bedrooms that might be close to anything having

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to do with the UFO subject. Why me?

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Speaker 1: It's like you say, with the sightings, why does somebody

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see UFO? And is it because they they've chosen that

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person to see them and maybe they're having an ongoing

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relationship with them and the person doesn't know about it.

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of some kind. It's also think of how do they

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choose who they're going to pick up? You know, how

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do they know that whether I am or you are

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suitable for their program without going to every single child

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and checking them to see if they're suitable. And I

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wonder if it's something that's worked out before you're born,

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because I think it's there's so much to do with

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consciousness and out of body experiences amongst the saline abduction stuff.

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when I was going through a past life regression where

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messenger for them. So I think that might be why

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I saw UFOs. It could be that it's a precursor

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to an abduction event and somebody sees it driving down

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the road and they see it in the sky. The

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next thing they know, they're coming around a bend and

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there's a UFO landed in the middle of the road.

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really bright flashing lights all over them. I'm sure they

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can shoot around our skies without that. They don't have

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to light themselves up and do these incredible maneuvers, and

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they're so fast that in the daytime they can shoot

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over the top of us so quickly. I've seen videos

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three of those frames, this black ball goes past the

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aircraft and it's just like for six hundred frames per second,

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as you say these videos that you've been watching and

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frame rates and resolution improves, it does make you wonder

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if then that they that are out there will have

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want to be seen. That's why they have the lights

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got their own disclosure program that they're running on Earth,

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and their timeline is two hundred three hundred years, so

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you know, allowing themselves to be seen is part of

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the disclosure. It's like a very short time for them,

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two or three hundred years. And what it does is

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it slowly acclimatizes the human race to their presence, so

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no big surprise. There doesn't freak me out. I wonder

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the world who can't handle it. I think there's people

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Speaker 1: A news conference recently in Washington where I can't remember

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if it was a guy called Bircher or it was Grush,

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who said this information needs to be out there. The

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American people can handle it, and I was thinking, well,

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maybe the American but what about the rest of the world.

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and JD. Vance said he thinks aliens of demons, and

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any way, shape or form.

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brought up in a religious household. And I think the

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idea of demons comes from people who have near death

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experiences hundreds of years ago, thousands of years ago, because

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a small number of people report distressing near death experiences

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and a very small number of those being in hell,

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and there's demons there. But this is a thing with

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near death experiences where you get what you need and

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it's as long ast like the near death experience is

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a spiritual kick up the pants, and so if you

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need a wonderful experience, you'll get it. But if whoever's

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you'll get that. And there's also an idea that you

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kind of get what you expect in a way atheists

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time in just a black vude for a while before

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they move into the light. So yeah, I've getting off

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you did, you did write a book, and you are

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you are certified to do regressions and hypnosis and pat

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book about it. Do you mind that a lot of

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folks that you've talked to that also have memories of

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past life or if you regress them, they do. In fact,

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they say, yes, this is what I was doing in

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my past life. They also are more apt to have

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I have had a small number of people go back

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to a past life on another planet, and since the

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book came out, I've had more and more people contacting

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me to be regressed to et encounters in this life.

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more likely to have had encounters. You know, it takes

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a certain type of person, doesn't it. It's like Your

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a past life regression, but the person who will do

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it will have an interest in all this stuff. But

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Speaker 3: I don't know the exact number, of course, but i'd

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many times. And that's people that like yourself. You know

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that you were taking aboard a ship and you may

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just or not happy remembering what you remember? And I

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never go under hypnosis. I'm all good. I don't need

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to know what was done to me on that ship

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same thing. Obviously you've written books about these types of things,

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but are the people that reach out and then you

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try to take them further down the path and they

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Speaker 4: No, not the people that contact me.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've got on my website it's my calendar and

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you can book a free twenty minute consultation call with

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Speaker 1: And what I say to them when they say they

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want to investigate this UFO encounter these aliens in their

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bedroom or something, I say, are you sure you want.

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Speaker 4: To do this?

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Speaker 1: This might bring up some trauma, And no one's ever

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Speaker 1: I think if they want to find out out about it,

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they want to find about everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they know they're contacting you for a very

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specific reason most of the time. What do you think

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about somebody like people say Steven Spielberg. I mean, he's

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that he is part of disclosure in some way, that

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he's being fed information either either via the government or

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maybe via the aliens himself, or he has his own

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government thing to help him out. When I saw the

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film Disclosure, I really liked it, and I saw things

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write about in the book. When they see these animals

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with the big black eyes, and then there's a scene

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Speaker 4: A trailer in the lot next to theirs. And now

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Speaker 4: Lights were on inside. So they thought, oh, we'll have

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a look at it tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Next day, they get up, there's no trailer there, and

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they go and climb the fence. There's no marks on

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the grass, no footprints, no tire marks, nothing.

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Speaker 4: So it was.

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Speaker 1: Almost like this trailer was a screen image. Maybe there

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was a UFO sitting there. And so in Spielberg's film,

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when you see a house and they're walking towards it,

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I can see that as a screen image, that that

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was a UFO there, because I reminded another story.

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Speaker 4: I just tell you this one. There was a.

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Speaker 1: Couple who were on a really long trip across part

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of south southern United States and they were going across

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this desert and they got to this town and they

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were leaving the town heading out on this road and

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it's They got like another eight hours drive to get

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to the next town, and it was getting dark overnight,

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and they came to edge of town. There was this great,

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big building and this was June, and this building, this

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shop only sold Christmas goods. And it was like, she thoughts,

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was that's weird, Well, Christmas shop at this time of year,

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and it had all the Christmas lights all over, it

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was all lit up and multi colored. And the weird

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thing was it was back from the roads. There was

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no car park, there was no ramp to drive up.

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It was just the desert dirt. And her husband says,

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we can't stop now, We've got to get on. We

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can stop there on the way back, and on the

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way back that shop wasn't there. There was nothing in

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that place. And so this is another form of screen

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memory that you see showing up because people might say

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you see owls or something. But there's also they seem

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to disguise themselves as buildings sometimes and I'm rambling, what

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was the question?

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Speaker 3: No, I love rambling. I do it all the time, simon,

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don't you worry? And it opens up very interesting conversation.

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So I I embrace that. But a lot of times

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we hear that there's I mean, that's incredible that they can.

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Essentially they can make a trailer appear there. They can

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or it's actually UFO made to look like a trailer,

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or a Christmas shop in the middle of the desert.

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That is a you go, well, it's cool that you

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can do that, but it's not quite right. It would

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be better to have a rock shop or a knickknack shop,

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or an antique shop or something like that. So this

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random Christmas shop you kind of go, well, who made

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that decision right to make it a Christmas shop in

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the middle of the desert.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unless they wanted it to be seen.

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Speaker 3: Because it's strange. Yeah, that's true, that is very true.

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I would probably stop at that. In fact, on the

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way to king in Arizona, there was a there. I

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don't even know if it's still there now that I

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say it, but growing up going out to Kingman for

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my grandparents, there was this Santa's Workshop Christmas shop that

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was in the middle of the desert on this what

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used to be just be a two lane highway now

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it's four, and it was always Uh. It's actually does

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work out with your explanation because it is one of

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those things where people go, well, what the what the

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hell there's a christ Why in the let's stop to

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That is just weird? So that actually does play right

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in the second you said, I'm like, oh, there was

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a Santa Shop on the way to Kingman, Arizona, which

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is very weird. It probably did get a lot of

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people to stop. Have you ever tried to do or

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wanted to do? If you already see them, maybe you

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don't need to try to do this, but you know,

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go outside and try to call them in. How many

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people have you spoken to in all of your research

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and collecting these encounters and experiences. Have people tried to

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do essentially do a CE five protocol, or they're just

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so they've been bitten by the bug so hard that

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they are basically obsessed with it, where they're trying to

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call them in to themselves even more.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think I've spoken to two or three people who've

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done that, and it has worked in a way where

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they talk about lights in the sky and then they

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flash their torch at them.

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Speaker 4: You know, we call it a torch, you call it flashlights.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it will flash back, or they'll ask

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it to move to the left or right and it'll move.

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But that's about it. But there's a lot of people

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I've talked to are having alien encounters. The last thing

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they want to do is invite them down. They want

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them to stay away.

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Speaker 3: I would imagine, especially those where they are seeing them

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in their home, which I could only imagine would be

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feeling like an extreme violation in a lot of cases,

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depending on what goes on and how much the person

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can remember.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And.

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Speaker 1: You know, with it starting off for childhood experiences and

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they get these screen memories, these et show themselves as

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clowns or muppets or monkeys and things, so the small

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children don't get so freaked out, and they seem to

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say it's it's fun. But when you reach puberty, it

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changes and it gets nasty. And that's when they start

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harvesting eggs and sperm and dragging you onto a ship

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naked and you know, checking you out and things. So

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it does get quite scary after a while. And that

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period seems to last for decades.

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Speaker 3: With the with the screen memories, and I know that

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we touched on this last time as well, just a

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little bit. But as you just mentioned clowns and muppets

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and you know we've heard of that's not it out.

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You know, it looks like a four of what they're been.

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I had somebody on they said it looked like one

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person could see a huge owl in the road, abnormally large,

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but it was still now really big. And the other

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person in the car said, no, no, that is a

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great alien. So you know, this disparaging back and forth

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with things not matching up happens a lot. Do you think,

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because I was just talking about them, do they mess

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things up when if a child sees a muppet, you

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know from Sesame Street or something like that, and or

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a clown. Do you think that so far they've from

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what you've heard from these cases, do they usually get

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that right in that it is a comfort for the

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person seeing this screen memory or do sometimes they get

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it very very wrong and it ends up terrifying instead.

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Speaker 4: No, they seem to get it right.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they're able to, you know, because they're

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telepathic and they can somehow look into your mind and say,

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what is the best image for this child? And if

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the child's a huge Sesame Street fan, they'll show them

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up there and like clowns nowadays, that's what you see

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in horror movies.

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Speaker 4: They're a scary thing.

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Speaker 1: But the guy that saw clowns saw them in like

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nineteen sixty four when he was a small child, and

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that was his favorite thing. It's watching them on the

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TV or going to a circus. So yeah, they seem

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to be able to prize out of your mind what

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would be best for you at the time.

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Speaker 3: Do you recall or have you been regressed to see

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what were you shown in lieu of any aliens you

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know that you may have come in contact with at

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an early age.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see any screen images, or maybe I have

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and I just didn't spot it. But it's not something

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that I think has come up for me. I mean,

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I did have a weird experience once with AT, but

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I think it was more like a time slip than

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an ET thing. I used to commute to work every

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morning and I'd go past my favorite Chinese restaurant, and

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one morning I drove past it and there'd been a

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fire and it had been really bad. It was completely

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boarded up and you could see all the soot up

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the front of the building, and I was like, oh man,

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that's my favorite Chinese restaurant. They might not be serving

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again for a couple of months. And then the next

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day when I was driving, it looked back to normal,

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like there'd been no fire. In the morning when I

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was driving to work, I thought that was quick. They

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sorted that out so first, But then on the way

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home it was back to looking like it had had

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a fire. And I'm sure I wasn't confused and I

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didn't mistake that because it really stood out to me,

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and I remember the drive home thinking, what the hell

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happened there? I can't figure this out. So that's why

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I think it might have been a little time slip

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or something.

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Speaker 3: Oh I love time slip stories. Those are fascinating. Do

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you think all these things are tied in somehow, Simon.

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Speaker 1: I think it's all to do a consciousness, and some

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of it's like time slips. They might just be a glitch,

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something accidental. You know, you might want to say glitch

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in the matrix. But I think sometimes it's done on purpose.

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Sometimes they make mistakes, they try and get it right.

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It's like there's a lady in my book, Deborah Corble,

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who is visiting with friends and she kicks a ball

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over the fence and then she has to go in

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the house the garden next door to collect the ball.

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But she says, she gets there and some she's really disorientated.

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She doesn't know where she is, she doesn't know how

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to get back. And I don't know if I've talked

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about this before, but she goes into the house because

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there's a little boy at the door says, well, you

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come in, I've got some toys to show you. But

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she gets in there and it's just not quite right.

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It's like the lamp is sitting on top of the

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chair instead of the floor, and the TV's upside down,

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and it's like they've tried to make it look normal.

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And then some weird things happen in there, and some

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weird toys are there, and she has a blackout of memory,

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and she remembers being on a table and feeling a

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really sharp pain in her body somewhere, like they're stabbing

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her or trying to get something.

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Speaker 4: In or out.

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Speaker 1: And then the boy takes her to the front door

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of the house and she's on the pathway, and then

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the boy's mother shows up and says, what are you

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doing here, and tells the boy off, you shouldn't be

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bringing her here, and she starts walking down the pathway

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and the door closes, and then her sister's there, and

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her older sister is saying to her, we've been looking

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for you for two hours. We could not find you anywhere,

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but for her, it seems like it was maybe twenty minutes.

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So that's the missing time thing. The weirdness of the room.

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It's like Mike Clellan said when he was on boarder

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Craft once he was taken into a room that looked

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like a seventies boardroom with tachi carpet and plastic folding chairs.

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It was like, he says, there's no way there's a

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nineteen seventies boardroom.

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Speaker 4: On board of UFO.

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Speaker 1: It's like they were trying to do something to make

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him feel at home, but they really got it wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they try to make you at ease in a

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lot of these cases, and you go, you guys have

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missed the mark here quite a bit. But good, Yeah, good,

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try an Ada boy for that. This is something I know.

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Nick Redfern has written an entire book about this, and

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this I would imagine wouldn't come up in a lot

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of conversations with these folks that they've placed their trust

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in you. But maybe it has. The subject of blood

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type has come up in a lot of UFO and

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abduction cases. Is that something that you've tracked all?

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Speaker 4: No, it's not.

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Speaker 1: I did have somebody on recently who we talked about

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blood types. Is it a reciss negative that shows up

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a lot? But I got to be honest, I don't

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even know which blood type I am. I don't know

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if in America everybody knows their blood type, but I

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don't think we do over here. But no, that hasn't

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come up much, and it's not something I asked people

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about either.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I should do.

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Speaker 3: No, I get that, I mean I would suppose that

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once you get down a certain path. It might be

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a little easier to ask something like that, but others

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would be like, why are you asking that? And I'm

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not telling you. You know, it might get to that point,

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but I would imagine they have a lot of trust

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in you, Simon. Okay, So before we get into some

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of these cases, what about the men in black? What

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is your opinion on those guys? Or just calm those guys?

478
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You know, they look human, They are used really quite

479
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:05,559
well dressed, and they usually drive a certain type of vehicle.

480
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:10,559
They sometimes cannot use very simple things pins and pencils

481
00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:14,160
and do funny things, much like having a seventies boardroom

482
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:17,480
on a UFO. They don't always get things quite right.

483
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:23,319
So are they are they aliens? Are they some kind

484
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,440
of a government creation to try to silence people that

485
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:29,880
see strange things? What's your opinion on that?

486
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're probably something more weird, something alien.

487
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,359
I don't know if that's the right way to put it,

488
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,720
but it's like you're saying, they don't get it quite

489
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:44,640
right because the cars they drive seem to be from

490
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,480
the nineteen fifties, like the clothes they wear. And I've

491
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,160
had people tell me that they turn up at the

492
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,640
door and they don't quite know how to talk to people.

493
00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 4: It's like they.

494
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,839
Speaker 1: Might have been trained this is how you talk to you,

495
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:02,680
but when they actually get there, they don't get it right.

496
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:08,680
So I think they are something more out of this world.

497
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,599
And maybe the governments have latched onto that and they

498
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:14,920
get their guys to dress.

499
00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 4: Up like men in black. I don't know, because there's.

500
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: I wondered if I was ever investigating UFOs, it might

501
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,039
be a bit of a giggle to turn up dressed

502
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:26,960
as a man in black, and they're actually.

503
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 4: Serious about it.

504
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: But there have been a couple of videos I've seen

505
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:32,519
on YouTube. You never know if they're real, but there's

506
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:34,920
one of the hotel where two guys are walking in,

507
00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:37,279
and then there's another one with a woman at a

508
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:40,680
reception desk and this man comes in and she starts

509
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,480
behaving in a bit of a weird way, like just

510
00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:47,799
doing everything he asks. When you know she's the reception

511
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,799
she should be in charge of that space. And yeah,

512
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,960
so I think there are other worldly.

513
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, imagine obviously you must be quite good at relaxing

514
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,279
people and putting them in that state where they can

515
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,960
remember things, where consciously they can't quite remember it, and

516
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,720
then they just have that ability times one hundred or

517
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:16,319
a thousand or whatever it is, and they can do

518
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:19,359
this while people are walking around and going about their

519
00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:22,559
daily lives. And as you say this, this poor receptionist

520
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,599
just fell right into that and seems like she didn't

521
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,079
have control of her faculties at that point.

522
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:30,519
Speaker 4: Yeah.

523
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that there's another This reminds you another one.

524
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:36,400
There was a guy I talked to who there was

525
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,119
a knock at the door and he opened the door

526
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,000
and it looked like there was David Jacobs standing there,

527
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:43,640
doctor David Jacobs, and there was a woman holding the baby,

528
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:47,480
and he was looking at them. There was something really

529
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:51,839
wrong about them, and like, what's David Jacob's doing turning

530
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,480
up at his front door just unannounced? And they started saying,

531
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:58,799
you know who I am, We're going to come in now,

532
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,200
we're going to come in. And he said he'd just

533
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:06,440
let them in and then instantly like an hour's gone

534
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:08,640
and he's just sitting on his sofa and he don't know,

535
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,599
doesn't know what happened. So they weren't men in black,

536
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,839
but they were very strange.

537
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:19,039
Speaker 3: That see, that's that's a type of very unfortunate situation,

538
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:22,599
because how do you not wake up, wake up right

539
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,000
and in quotation marks and not feel violated and not

540
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,880
feel like what why? Why did you do that? What

541
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:33,160
did you do while you were here in that hour

542
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,599
of precious time? That's missing? So was he already in

543
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,039
contact with doctor Jacobs up till that point.

544
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:42,599
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so.

545
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: Wow, But maybe they just realized he would he would

546
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,839
recognize him because he was in the subject. Maybe, Yeah,

547
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,640
that's crazy, Wow, that's.

548
00:30:56,839 --> 00:30:57,039
Speaker 5: Yeah.

549
00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: Whitty Streeber tells a story when he was at UFO

550
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:01,559
conference and he was in his hotel room as a

551
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,720
knock at the door, and there were two guys who

552
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:08,240
said they were from the FBI or something, and they

553
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,920
wanted to interview him, and he didn't want to talk

554
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,240
to them.

555
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 4: He didn't like the look of them.

556
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: And I said, no, it's just a few questions, it'll

557
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:17,119
be twenty minutes. He has, no, I don't want to

558
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,519
talk to you. And then suddenly something changed and they

559
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:23,160
were saying, well, thanks for the interview, and he said,

560
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:25,960
I didn't talk to you, and this guy brought out

561
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,839
this dictaphone press play and Whitley heard his voice talking

562
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,799
on there doing an interview with these two guys in

563
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:33,599
the hotel room.

564
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:34,759
Speaker 5: Wow.

565
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: And he said he just couldn't explain that because it

566
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,319
was just like an interview with these guys. It wasn't

567
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:44,160
like they were accusing him of any criminality or anything.

568
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't know how to respect the word no,

569
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:56,039
that's for sure. Okay, So let's get into the sightings

570
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:59,839
chapter first a little bit, and let's start with Alfie

571
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,359
Provost or Provost. I don't know how to quite say

572
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,480
her name properly. I apologize to Alfea, but let's start

573
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:11,240
with her because she had similar yours roadside experience. And

574
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:12,839
this is actually in the state of Oregon.

575
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:17,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, because she went.

576
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: To a concert, a festival called Reggae on the River

577
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:25,799
and she was a teenager and her friends went home,

578
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:26,759
but she wanted to stay.

579
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:29,279
Speaker 4: So she ended up getting a lift back with one

580
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:29,720
of her.

581
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: Friend's fathers and another kid and they were driving along

582
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,920
and I think it was nighttime, and they saw this

583
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,440
alien standing at the side of the road, and she

584
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,880
said all three of them saw it, and the other

585
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,200
kid got quite upset, but she didn't get so upset

586
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,920
about it, but she said it was like a message

587
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,559
and I made a note of it where she said

588
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:57,400
I was just given notice, and that notice was it

589
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:01,359
was time to leave the earthly diamond behind and all

590
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:05,240
the principles that go with it and to expand. So

591
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,480
she felt that Grave was there for her like a

592
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,680
spiritual kickup the pants to say, you've got to pay

593
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,480
attention to what's happening to in your experiences and start

594
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:18,799
to grow with it instead of locking it and refusing

595
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:19,640
to acknowledge it.

596
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 3: I mean, at least she wasn't scared about it, right.

597
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,000
That's a very that is a very positive thing because

598
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:34,559
not everyone has that that experience or that initial reaction.

599
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:38,000
So the next one I found was James Kelly, and

600
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:41,759
he is actually he was on a military base at

601
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:45,559
the time, and what ends up happening with his superiors

602
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,960
is something that we happened, we happen to hear over

603
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,119
and over again.

604
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:55,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he was on a detail in the Marines.

605
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:56,960
They sent him to the rifle ranger with a couple

606
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,640
of other guys to set the guns up to put

607
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,079
all the bullets in the magazines and get everything ready

608
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,359
for the day's use. And they're sitting there talking and

609
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,159
it's really early in the morning and they see these

610
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,400
lights coming over the other side of the base. And

611
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,159
the thing was one side of the base was the Marines,

612
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,360
the other side was the Navy. And they started joking

613
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,480
around like, oh, that looks like a UFO. But then

614
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:22,599
as it got so close and it was so low,

615
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,559
they could see it was definitely a craft, and it

616
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,639
was definitely what you would call a UFO. Then these

617
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,599
Navy helicopters appeared and they started flying towards them, and

618
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:38,079
the craft shot away this instant acceleration they described. And

619
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:39,880
the next thing you know is all the MPs are

620
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,039
turning up and dragging them away, taking them to see

621
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:47,320
the base commander, who takes them into his office one

622
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,159
at a time, and he's shouting in their face, why

623
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,039
am I supposed to do this? What are you doing

624
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:54,559
dragging me here at this time in the morning, And

625
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:57,960
he just tells them to be quiet. They're not allowed

626
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,559
to tell anybody about what they saw, and that's it.

627
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,639
Speaker 4: And so one thing is.

628
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: That that shows there was a UFO over that base

629
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,400
at that time, and the Navy saw it and sent

630
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,960
helicopters up to chase it. Another thing is they didn't

631
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,480
interview them. They didn't say, Okay, now what did you see?

632
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:24,400
Describe the craft? How did it move? Like this is fascinating,

633
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,320
this never happens.

634
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 5: What was it? You know?

635
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,199
Speaker 1: It was like they, Oh, we've seen this all before.

636
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:31,719
We don't need to ask these guys about it because

637
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,239
we know what they're going to say anyway. So that

638
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,400
that's another interesting part of that. And there's another sighting

639
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,880
in the book with Terry Lovelace about seeing a craft

640
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,440
over a nuclear weapon SIDO as well and then being

641
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,960
told to keep their mouth shut.

642
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 4: So that does show up. Yeah, you're right in the military.

643
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:55,039
Speaker 1: Stuff where the people are told to just clamp down

644
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:57,639
on it and not talk about it. So it makes

645
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:01,119
you wonder how many guys out there have seen stuff

646
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:04,639
in the military I just don't talk about it. Maybe

647
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:06,800
they're afraid of losing their pensions or something.

648
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, because I would I would hazard to say

649
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:17,039
that it say that they wouldn't be in trouble for sharing.

650
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,679
It makes you wonder if you could just create an

651
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,039
entire book on those in the military that are or

652
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:30,400
have been in the military, what kinds of sightings they have,

653
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,480
and how many of those have actually been abducted even

654
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:38,320
from military bases, because you don't get to hear about

655
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,039
that a whole lot because they are they are quieted

656
00:36:41,039 --> 00:36:44,360
down so very quickly. And the second you mentioned pensions

657
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:48,000
being taken, of course I wouldn't talk either. So it does.

658
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,679
I would. I would love to have people come forward

659
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,000
more if they could. As far as being physically on

660
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:57,559
a base, you've seen something very strange in the sky.

661
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,320
Did it go further than that, beyond and your superiors

662
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,039
yelling at you?

663
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 4: Of course, yeah.

664
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,519
Speaker 1: I interviewed a guy called Matt Roberts. He was the

665
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:12,800
intelligence officer on the USS Roosevelt when the video was

666
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,239
filmed that was released in twenty seventeen, and as he

667
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,599
was the intelligence officer, the video came to him and

668
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:22,719
he watched it a lot. He was obsessed with it,

669
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,880
and he said his colleagues would come into the office

670
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,199
and be like, oh, you're not watching that again.

671
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 4: But he did say that.

672
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,039
Speaker 1: When the craft showed up when they were filming it,

673
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:36,960
he did wonder if they were there for him. He

674
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,719
had this sudden fear there for me, and he was

675
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,880
having abduction experiences, and that's why he worried if they'd

676
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,199
come to collect him. If that's the reason they were there.

677
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,960
So there's a military guy right in the middle of it,

678
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,039
in the intelligence officers. That's where you want to be,

679
00:37:55,159 --> 00:38:02,360
I suppose. And there's another There was a UFO guy

680
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,159
who's on board a nuclear submarine.

681
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:05,639
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've heard this story.

682
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: He was a proper like military journalist and he got

683
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,559
a ride on a nuclear submarine and he did UFOs

684
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:18,079
in his spare time or books about it. And he

685
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:23,679
was on board this submarine and the sonar guy, the

686
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,239
radar guy, said, we've got something moving really fast down here.

687
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 4: It's coming past.

688
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: And they said it went past the submarine at like

689
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,199
three hundred knots and there's nothing human that can do

690
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,719
three hundred knots underwater.

691
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,079
Speaker 4: And the captain said to them, okay, log it as usual.

692
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,559
It was like log it as.

693
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: Usual, like you see these before. And he went to

694
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,039
the captain. He said, what was that? What happened there?

695
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,559
The captain said to him, you're having a good time here.

696
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:53,039
He goes, yeah, he goes, well, let's keep it that way.

697
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:57,679
And that's all the captain said to him. So again

698
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,920
is the submarine they have? They seen these unidentified submerged

699
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,920
objects all the time.

700
00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:08,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your opinion on that, Simon that certainly they're

701
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:13,000
trans medium, but what about underwater bass?

702
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: I suppose it makes sense because there's a lot of

703
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,960
deep ocean places we haven't mapped and we can't get to,

704
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:24,679
so it'd be a good place to hide, I suppose.

705
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:30,039
And Richard Dolan's books are coming out about USO's and

706
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,400
he's a great researcher and writer, and there's so much

707
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,840
of it out there, and these films we've seen officially

708
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,639
released films of UFOs traveling really fast and then going

709
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:44,159
down in the water, and they don't decrease in speed

710
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:47,960
anything human hits the water, it's like hitting a brick wall.

711
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,679
Speaker 4: It's almost comes to a dead stop.

712
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:55,039
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it would make sense, but I

713
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:58,760
don't think I've talked to anybody who has said they've

714
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,840
seen it or they've been there. There was one guy

715
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,360
who asked where the hybrids were, and they showed him

716
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,039
a map like they telepathically sent it to him, and

717
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:13,679
it was these two massive, circular kind of cylindrical caverns

718
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,400
underneath the United States. One end of the two of

719
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,400
them was Illinois, and he said it went so far

720
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,920
down it was like two or three states before it finished,

721
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,920
and it was like they were saying to this is

722
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:29,920
where they are.

723
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,599
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard about anybody, not even anyone that

724
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:41,159
just you've talked to, but ever that has been shown

725
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,199
while they're on a crowd. I think you kind of

726
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,400
already answered this, but I just want to be sure

727
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:49,480
that they've been shown, you know, because sometimes people will

728
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:53,320
recall being in a room larger or small. They know

729
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,800
they're on a UFO and they can see space outside.

730
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,960
Have you ever heard of anyone being in a crowd

731
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:02,800
and looking out and they know that they're underwater?

732
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 4: No, No, I haven't. That's a good question.

733
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: No, I've heard of them talk about windows and seeing space,

734
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,199
but or even looking down on Earth or other planets

735
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,639
but not underwater.

736
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: Makes you wonder if if sometimes it, I mean, obviously

737
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:27,239
they can. They're very depth at screen memories and complete

738
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,039
fabrications that sometimes it's not even space that they're looking

739
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:35,679
out on, but they are underwater. But maybe that's it's like, oh, tmi,

740
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,440
we can't. We can't be letting people know too much

741
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:42,159
that we're we're using the oceans as well. I don't know,

742
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:45,199
it's just that's a that's a that's probably a huge

743
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:50,280
stretch upon a stretch, but just something I wonder about.

744
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, there was that film.

745
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: Was it The Abyss where they went down and that

746
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,679
that turned into a whole alien thing first of all,

747
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:01,679
you think just a disaster movie.

748
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was guy. I like that one. Was

749
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,079
that David Cameron.

750
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, James Cameron. Actually excellent movie. An unfortunate fact about

751
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:16,239
that movie, Simon, is that Ed Harris actually refuses to

752
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,320
talk about He's the main character and that flick. He

753
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,239
refuses to talk about the Abyss. He hated the filming experience.

754
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,079
I guess several of them almost drown while they were

755
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:30,159
filming that movie, so he said it was a horrible experience,

756
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:33,039
which it bumps me out. I've always loved that film

757
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,039
since I was a young. Incredible film. James Cameron is.

758
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:43,079
He does love his underwater happenings, that's for sure. But yeah,

759
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:48,199
a great, great nod to a great film. I agree. Okay,

760
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,639
So Deborah Cobble, you already brought her up in a

761
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:55,400
little bit, and I wanted to just touch on really

762
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,760
quickly because this is in nineteen eighty four and she

763
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,320
was on her own porch with her mother and they

764
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,800
see a boomerang shaped cramp that's lit up from underneath,

765
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,199
and her first thought is, oh, hell no, not again.

766
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:16,599
So and it's just like that gentleman that you brought

767
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:20,559
up that was in the military, that they don't always

768
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:23,960
have these conscious things going on, like, oh, yeah, aliens

769
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,599
think I'm the best things and slice bread and they're

770
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:28,840
coming to see me. But when they see them, they go,

771
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:32,599
I think they're there for me. And her initial reaction

772
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,400
was upon seeing this boomerang, oh hell no, not again.

773
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:40,440
So that's that's an unfortunate reaction because that means that

774
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:43,119
some things have bled through enough to where she knows

775
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,840
this is not going to be fun.

776
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think she's with her mother, and when

777
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:53,719
her mother sees it, she sees all the lights on it.

778
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,039
She's thinking, this is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

779
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,360
And this boomerang is just in and it goes over

780
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,280
them at treetop level, so it's it's really low and

781
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,440
they're on the outskirts of a big city and she says,

782
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,719
there's a point where it lights up and it's so

783
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:17,239
bright and she rings up. I think it's koufuss and

784
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,960
it just happens with Dr Alan heinek answers the phone

785
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,960
and they describe it to him, and then the next

786
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:24,880
day they think, oh, it's going to be in the newspapers,

787
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,760
it'll be on the TV, and there's nothing. It's like,

788
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,440
no one else saw it, this massive craft over the

789
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:35,199
suburbs at treetop level that was so bright and only

790
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,320
two people saw it. And it's that thing again of

791
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:44,719
the UFOs having selective witnesses. Maybe they wanted Deborah to

792
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,960
see it, but her mum happened to be there, so

793
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:48,440
they let her see it as well.

794
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 4: And maybe my mum was having experiences.

795
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: But that's that thing of oh hell not again, that's

796
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:58,480
probably what I might think.

797
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you probably would, wouldn't you, especially with some

798
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,000
of the other types of encounters folks are having. So,

799
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,400
I mean, what do you think about we go from

800
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:19,719
flying saucers, cigar shapes, we've got boomerangs, we've got we've

801
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:26,400
got orbs. You know, what do you think is the

802
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:33,119
purpose or the reasoning behind their craft changing so much

803
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,480
in shape and size?

804
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,119
Speaker 5: Yeah?

805
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

806
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it could be just that they're doing development

807
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:44,000
and they're coming up with better designs and better ways

808
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,639
of doing things. It might be the person who sees

809
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:51,360
the craft it's almost like a screen image, and they're

810
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,480
seeing what the aliens want them to see. I did

811
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:59,280
notice a thing where people who were abducted, say in

812
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,039
the nineteen six like Betty and Barney Hill, what they

813
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:07,440
described on board the craft seemed like technology that to

814
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:11,480
him that to them was advanced, but not so advanced

815
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:15,039
that they didn't understand what it was. But for us

816
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:17,800
now looking back on it, technology that looks like it's

817
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,760
out of the nineteen seventies. That's really primitive in a way.

818
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:25,559
So were the craft that they were taken on boards

819
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,400
kind of fake in some way that they were They

820
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:34,599
were presenting them with this technology that isn't the technology

821
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:38,079
that they use. It was just a way to I

822
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:40,079
don't have to make them calm down or something, or

823
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:43,320
make them feel they could understand where they are.

824
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 4: Because as time.

825
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:47,679
Speaker 1: Has gone on, abductees have reported the interior of the

826
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,119
craft getting more and more up to date, more and

827
00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:53,719
more science fiction, very advanced science fiction.

828
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: I can't see that's how they develop it.

829
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,079
Speaker 1: If you look at our cars from nineteen fifty to now,

830
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:03,039
you can see a huge change over the years of

831
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:04,159
the designs and things.

832
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 4: But that's commercial, isn't it. I can't think.

833
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: There's a UFO builder who's thinking of the commercial side

834
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,280
of things and thinking we've got to make it look

835
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,239
really cool and make sure the air conditioning works real

836
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,039
well and it's got a great sound system. It's maybe

837
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,000
something more consciousness based that they change shape.

838
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you brought up a Mike's experience of seeing that

839
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,639
seventies boardroom, so maybe they were like, well, let's see

840
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:35,199
how he reacts to this, and then he's like, no, no, no,

841
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:36,920
what the hell is this. This is weird, this is

842
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:42,400
out of place, this is not Then they adjust depending

843
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,039
on the reaction, right, Yeah.

844
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

845
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:48,079
Speaker 1: There is a woman I talked to who said they

846
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:51,079
have fake scenarios, and I think I've had other people

847
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,280
talking a little bit like this. It's something they're testing

848
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,599
someone to see what their emotional reaction would be to

849
00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:59,519
a scenario. And she said she just woke up and

850
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:03,239
she was in a train and all the people around

851
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,400
her were like video game non player characters, you know,

852
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:10,800
just people who were sitting there. They weren't engaging with

853
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,880
each other, just facing forwards, and that's when she thought, ah,

854
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,719
they're trying one of those scenarios on me again, And

855
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,400
she got up, walked to the end of the carriage

856
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,280
and opened the door and stepped through, and there were

857
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,159
these two gray aliens who were.

858
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 4: Like annoyed with her.

859
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:29,079
Speaker 1: You worked it out, We worked hard on this, and

860
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,679
that's the whole memory of it. But she's been in

861
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,920
other fake scenarios as well, so she spotted that one.

862
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 3: Hmmm, that would be. It sounds like this particular woman

863
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:45,280
might have been a little bit used to this, obviously,

864
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,639
because she's like, gotcha, not fooling me this time. But

865
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,920
it's still when you just think you get the thirty

866
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,840
thousand foot view of that, in my mind, that just

867
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,320
sounds terrifying to wake up. And then there's these as

868
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:03,840
you say, these, these these characters in this whole scenario

869
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,480
that aren't even moving or talking. I mean, that would

870
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,719
be when I think about that, that sounds horrifying. But

871
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,599
her reaction was not going to get me this time,

872
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:16,039
So bravo to her, right. I mean, it sounds like

873
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:19,840
she's just unfortunately used to their shenanigans.

874
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it must be when the more you encounter them,

875
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,039
the more you get used.

876
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 4: To it. Yeah, And I wonder if.

877
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: There's a thing where that if they think the person

878
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,920
can handle remembering the encounters, then they allow some of

879
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,280
the memories to come through. And that's why we have

880
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:42,519
people talking about it, and it might be part of.

881
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: Their disclosure as well, that allowing that.

882
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,119
Speaker 1: But they blocked all of my memories anything I've got

883
00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:51,320
to come up under hypnosis, apart from just seeing a

884
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,440
UFO or maybe they think I just couldn't handle it

885
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:56,599
and I'd freak out sing that.

886
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: Well and rightfully, so there's nothing wrong with that. I

887
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,679
think most people probably would. So you're what we talked

888
00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:08,079
about on five point sixty two, that initial seeing the

889
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:11,159
craft over the field and you and the car go

890
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,960
up into the craft. That is the only thing that

891
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,800
you have been able to remember without being regressed.

892
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,519
Speaker 1: I remember the craft, but going up into the craft

893
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:23,199
was part of the regression, that's right.

894
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 3: Okay, So other than that, you have not been able

895
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,480
to recall anything without.

896
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 4: That, that's right. Yeah.

897
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:34,119
Speaker 1: Wow, when several things have come up now with hypnosis,

898
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:38,800
but I still doubt it though I've heard that people

899
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,320
who are coming to terms with being in this phenomenon

900
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,639
and having these experiences they do tend to deny it

901
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:48,760
for a long time until something happens where they just

902
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:49,559
can't deny it.

903
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,079
Speaker 3: What was the worst part or is there a worst

904
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:58,440
part of your regressions that they that you think that

905
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,920
they've done to you, or something that you saw. What

906
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:04,079
was Was there any any bad part to that?

907
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 5: Yeah?

908
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,679
Speaker 1: I was just lying on a table being naked, and

909
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,480
the aliens are checking my body, and then the tall

910
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,320
alien came in and did what they call a mind

911
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,199
scan where it just brooks his head right in front

912
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:19,519
of mines and its eyeballs seem to be able to

913
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:23,880
get into my brain, a telepathic mind scan. And the

914
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,239
whole time they were doing this stuff, I was shouting,

915
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:32,159
stop it, leave me alone. And their reply was, what

916
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:35,239
you're complaining for. You've done this loads of times before.

917
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,719
You know it's necessary, but if you've never remembered it

918
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,480
and then you find that going on and you've got

919
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:43,199
to freak out.

920
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 3: You did bring that up last time, I apologized Simon.

921
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,480
Of course that would be the worst thing. That would

922
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,559
be a bad thing. I mean, I'm glad. So that

923
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:57,880
was the only occasion of you being regressed and recalling

924
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,920
being on a table and being worked on by these things.

925
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: There was another time, and that was spontaneous, so I

926
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:11,800
was I was regressed into our past life aggression. The

927
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,880
one I just told you about. We were looking for

928
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,639
that kind of thing, but with the.

929
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 4: Other one, we weren't looking for it. We're going to

930
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,280
past lives. We weren't looking for your aliens or UFOs.

931
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: And I saw a past life and I saw my

932
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,880
death in that past life, and the hypnotherapist had just

933
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,000
drift away from there, leave that life behind. What's the

934
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:34,719
next thing you see? And I was instantly terrified. And

935
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,079
afterwards she said she could see my muscles quivering because

936
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:41,920
I was so scared. And where I found myself was

937
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,039
on a table with these gray on my left, two

938
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:49,360
grays on my right, and you know, doing this stuff.

939
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:53,119
And then when they got me off the table and

940
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:57,159
they walked me forwards and things and other things happened there.

941
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:00,840
So that was spontaneously came up under hypnosi that we

942
00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:04,360
definitely weren't looking for it. And also that's the only

943
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,519
time in hypnosis I've had that much of intense emotion

944
00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:09,480
that it really got me.

945
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 3: When you see a movie like The Fourth Kind, and

946
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:23,280
they were genius in their promotion of that movie, because

947
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,679
they made it seem like it was based upon a

948
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,519
completely true story. I mean it is, of course with

949
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,400
people's past subductions and all the cases, but that particular area,

950
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:38,840
no Malaskan, all of that and the tapes, the video

951
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,039
recordings they thought were based off of a real person.

952
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:43,239
None of it was real. Very genius, much like the

953
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,400
Blair Witch Project. You know, they had the same kind

954
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:51,320
of a thing, this found footage. When you see a

955
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:57,719
film like that, how accurate are you are? Is it

956
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,920
tougher because you've gone through these experience is to watch

957
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,480
films like that or Steven Spielberg's Disclosure and all this

958
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,400
to go well, that's just silly. You guys are way

959
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,719
off the mark. Or do you find yourself going okay,

960
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,800
well they've done their homework, or someone on the staff

961
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,199
or the director, as some might say about Steven, has

962
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,440
had their own experiences or is tied in somehow.

963
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,519
Speaker 1: I don't watch those kind of horror films that are

964
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:32,039
based around UFOs and aliens, and I think it's because

965
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,800
they just annoy me so much. It's like they spent

966
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,440
all this money making this film and it's just like

967
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:41,920
this horror film. Why didn't they spend the money making

968
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,559
a proper film about this? It can be fiction, like

969
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:47,960
Spielberg did. We see more films like that.

970
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:49,159
Speaker 4: But also.

971
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,599
Speaker 1: When I saw the Spielberg film, I saw different things

972
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:58,280
happening in it that I recognized from real accounts. And

973
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,599
there's a guy called Steve Neil. He's got a great

974
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,639
YouTube channel and he's had all sorts of experiences, and

975
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:09,800
he said, there's a scene in the Disclosure that brought

976
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,239
tears to his eyes and he was almost shaking because

977
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,679
that scene brought so much back to him that freaked

978
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,679
him out. So yeah, people do get freaked out by these,

979
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,760
but you know, it's like Close Encounters. Spielberg had doctor

980
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,719
Alan Heinik as an advisor, and I think the French

981
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,480
character in that film was based on Jacques Valet, so

982
00:55:32,159 --> 00:55:34,840
he does get good people in to advise on what

983
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,280
he's doing. And it certainly looked like they did their

984
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,679
homework for Disclosure.

985
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 3: I agree. Isn't that so frustrating that they think that

986
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,199
they need to add all of these these other elements

987
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,440
to make it over the top, And when reality, when

988
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,800
you look at all these different cases, just take your

989
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,719
book as a cross section. There's people's realities, or at

990
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,119
least how they perceive it, and they think is one

991
00:55:58,199 --> 00:56:03,239
hundred percent that is their true truth. Is terrifying in

992
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,400
a lot of ways, and it doesn't need anything added

993
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,000
to it. That I agree that is very frustrating about

994
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,840
a lot of these movies. They need the jump skares

995
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,239
and to make the creatures or the whatever just so

996
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,679
over the top, and it's very not needed. Sometimes it's

997
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:23,960
a subtle tea. It's the subtleties about the phenomena that

998
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,199
make it all the more terrifying and invasive.

999
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:31,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, what is this stuff not dramatic enough?

1000
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:35,760
You have to start messing around with that. The film

1001
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,119
called Nope.

1002
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 4: You know that one? Yeah, that UFO film.

1003
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: I just remembered that. There's a scene where he's in

1004
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,559
the barn and it looks like these three aliens turn up,

1005
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:49,559
but it turns out to be children in costumes. But

1006
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:53,280
when you first see them, you think it's the aliens.

1007
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,599
They're in the barn, and I remember that freaked me

1008
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:57,400
out a little bit. I felt a little scared. There

1009
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:03,119
was something triggered inside me, and then I was disappointed

1010
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:04,280
to find it was just children.

1011
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 4: I wish it was Aliens.

1012
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 3: But to you though, there probably is something there with

1013
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:16,480
that scenario because it did awaken something inside of you

1014
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:18,960
and it some kind of a fear response.

1015
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, makes you wonder where that came from.

1016
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:30,719
Speaker 1: But there's not many films that depict from well at all.

1017
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 3: What Sorry, here I go on one of my tangents

1018
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,679
and then we'll close out with Bonnie Mitchell. But is

1019
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:41,119
there a film to you that that you think is

1020
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,320
the most accurate. I know you don't watch a lot

1021
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,679
of them, but have you seen one that or somebody

1022
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,000
or maybe a lot of people bring up a certain

1023
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:55,880
film that you feel is maybe the best to watch

1024
00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:57,360
or the closest.

1025
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:04,079
Speaker 1: Well, closing councils a third kind, definitely, and disclosure a

1026
00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:08,599
close second. And there's a scene in Close Encounters where

1027
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,920
he's in the truck and he comes to a railway

1028
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,880
stop and he's looking at his map and you see

1029
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,559
the lights behind slowly rise behind him. That was a

1030
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:20,480
case that jail and Heinech knew and he told Spielberg

1031
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:23,440
about it. So that was a genuine report from some

1032
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:27,239
of that actually happened to someone. And so yeah, I

1033
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,599
think whoever Spielberg works with, because I can't imagine he's

1034
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:33,800
doing all the work on this, that they're doing their homework.

1035
00:58:34,159 --> 00:58:38,039
It's like the aliens as well. At the end, they

1036
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:41,800
look surprisingly like the Grays. It's not a very vague

1037
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,639
resemblance of the Grays. They've got the bigger heads and

1038
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:48,000
the big eyes. And there's a really tall one that

1039
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:51,159
has arms that are just like sticks, and I remember

1040
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:55,000
it's raising its arms up and that was a bit

1041
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:57,320
freaky seeing that one. I don't know if it's because

1042
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,920
it just looks so peculiar, but people do report that

1043
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,920
the tall Grays, and they're very much stick like, almost insects.

1044
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,119
Speaker 3: Incredible film. I mean, a plate full of mashed potatoes

1045
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,119
was never the same again, right Simon, Yeah, yeah, all right,

1046
00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:19,599
Well let's close out with Bonnie Mitchell and a perfect Seguay.

1047
00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:23,199
Because you mentioned sticklike figures being seen.

1048
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:28,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because when she was small, she woke up and

1049
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:31,400
then she said two stick like figures in her room

1050
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:35,920
that didn't make any sense to her, and they were

1051
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,159
holding hands, and then they slowly started moving towards her

1052
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:42,719
and she started screaming for her mum, and as her

1053
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,880
mum came in the room, they just kind of faded away.

1054
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:49,760
So it's like, you know, they didn't use screen image

1055
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:54,119
that time when she was so small, but it shows

1056
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,519
that she did see it. She was awake because she

1057
00:59:57,559 --> 00:59:59,840
had so much adrenaline and she was screaming it was

1058
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,920
a dream and a mon came in and didn't see them.

1059
01:00:03,719 --> 01:00:05,800
So that that can be a problem just for parents

1060
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,039
to say, oh, it's just a dream, don't worry, and

1061
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:11,079
the kid knows it's not just a dream, and they're

1062
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:14,440
fears of something nasty happening and not being properly acknowledged,

1063
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,320
and they're notably being properly looked after.

1064
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 4: It can make things worse for the child.

1065
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,559
Speaker 1: And it almost gets to a point, as a couple

1066
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:23,280
of people who say their parents said to them, look,

1067
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,800
just stop telling us about these nightmares. We've heard enough

1068
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,800
about it. Don't talk to anybody about it. Don't tell us.

1069
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,679
So it's like they do the alien's job of the

1070
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,280
cover up.

1071
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a very unfortunate part of it. Have

1072
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,159
you ever come across anyone else that has seen grays

1073
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,440
in their bedroom and the grays are holding hands or

1074
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,280
whatever alien isn't in the room or holding hands.

1075
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,079
Speaker 4: No, No, I haven't come across that.

1076
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 3: What do you think the purpose of that would be

1077
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,440
to put her at ease? Possibly, or they needed that

1078
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,719
connection for some reason.

1079
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,639
Speaker 1: I think it might be be because, you know, children,

1080
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,840
because she was very young, I think she was five

1081
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,199
or six years old, and children hold hands. Maybe it

1082
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,199
was that thing of trying to look a little childlike,

1083
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,760
trying to make a feel more at ease.

1084
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:15,159
Speaker 4: I just don't know.

1085
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 3: Do that's so honestly, I know they're trying to make

1086
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,960
it look a certain way. To me, that just seems

1087
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,239
so dark that they're trying to deceive a child like

1088
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,079
that and make it look like, oh no, we're okay,

1089
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:30,239
we're just friends, and we're gonna now hold your hand

1090
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:32,440
and we're gonna take you aboard a ship and do

1091
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,400
something very invasive to you. That's that is very dark

1092
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:43,360
to me. Okay. So Bonnie's second encounter, and she's again

1093
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:48,440
she's in her bedroom and there's a light in the sky,

1094
01:01:48,719 --> 01:01:52,079
and she ends up exiting the bedroom. So let's talk

1095
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:53,440
a little bit about this one.

1096
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, she goes outside. I think she's there's a parking lot.

1097
01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:00,519
Speaker 4: Next to a house. I think that's what it is.

1098
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: And the UFO lands there and she seems quite happy

1099
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,960
to go outside and investigate, doesn't seem scared. And then

1100
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,599
these people start coming off the craft. So they're not

1101
01:02:11,639 --> 01:02:13,760
the stick figures that she's shore in her bedroom. They're

1102
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,559
much more human looking, and I think there's just slight

1103
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:19,079
little differences that you'd notice that make you think maybe

1104
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:23,280
they're not human. And they sit down at a picnic

1105
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,760
table and they start talking, and she feels very welcomed

1106
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,519
and almost has a feeling of familiarity. I've met these

1107
01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:35,320
before from somewhere, and they treated her like they knew her,

1108
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:38,599
and they even shed some of her some of their

1109
01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:42,880
food with her, which is this odd green cubes of

1110
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:48,639
jelly like stuff. And I mean, if aliens gave you food,

1111
01:02:48,639 --> 01:02:50,559
would you trust it? Do you think, what's this going

1112
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:51,400
to do to my body?

1113
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,239
Speaker 4: What's my stomach?

1114
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,719
Speaker 1: Or is this going to am I going to get

1115
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:55,559
really ill from this?

1116
01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:57,159
Speaker 4: But she was fine.

1117
01:02:57,199 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: She just sat there, played with them, talked to them

1118
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:03,599
make their food, and then they went off. So it's

1119
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,960
one of these people who has different encounters like this.

1120
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:12,079
James Kelly who had the Grays and the Arcturians in

1121
01:03:12,159 --> 01:03:14,599
his life, and the Grays were nasty and the Octurians

1122
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:18,239
were nice. And I talked to somebody the other day

1123
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,400
who had not the archer and as the Pleaadians in

1124
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,480
their life and the Grays, but they were never seen together,

1125
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,079
and it was the Grays being mean and the Pleaadians

1126
01:03:28,119 --> 01:03:30,840
being nice. So I've seen that show up two or

1127
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:31,800
three times now.

1128
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting, so that you have the bad cop good

1129
01:03:36,039 --> 01:03:42,159
cop situation, right? Or are they just completely separate?

1130
01:03:42,239 --> 01:03:42,559
Speaker 5: Do they?

1131
01:03:43,079 --> 01:03:46,679
Speaker 3: Do you think that different entities you talk about, there's

1132
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:51,079
Reptilians and the tall Whites and the Grays. Do you

1133
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:53,840
think that all these entities are in contact with each

1134
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,639
other or they have their own completely separate agendas.

1135
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: I think they do have this separate agendas, and some

1136
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,079
of them can be really nasty and some of them

1137
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:05,599
can be really nice. It would be wrong to look

1138
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:10,760
at UFOs and just say, what's their agenda? And this

1139
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:15,000
thing they are aware of each other. When James Kelly

1140
01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:18,639
was in a particularly nasty position with the Grays, the

1141
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,559
Archerians appeared. He said, like a portal opened up in

1142
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:25,920
the room and they stepped through and the Grays were

1143
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:30,119
just immobilized. It's like the Archerians had such strong I

1144
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:33,159
don't know, telepathy or something or use the force on them,

1145
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,039
and the Grays couldn't do anything about it. And he

1146
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:40,880
said these were the shik Grays, which it's the only

1147
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,800
person who's talked about them, but he said they look

1148
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:47,719
like hybrids of reptilians and grays. They're about six feet

1149
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,760
tall and they're fuller muscles. And he says he was

1150
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,639
lying on the table, was kind of tied down, and

1151
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:56,440
he was able to lift his head and he shouted

1152
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,719
at them, you've got to let me go. And the

1153
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,079
gray came over and but it's hand on his forehead

1154
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:03,679
and slammed his head back down and just told him

1155
01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:07,840
to shut up. But he asked the Archerians, if you

1156
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:12,280
could intervene, then why didn't you intervene before? Because it

1157
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,519
seemed that he saw the Archerians till he was like

1158
01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:16,920
seven years old, and then they didn't show up again

1159
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,880
untill he was in his thirties. But between seven years

1160
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,280
old and up to his thirties, he was constantly being

1161
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,880
picked up by the Grays and they were not nice

1162
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,039
to him, and they said to him, we knew what

1163
01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:30,320
was going on, and it was pain for us for

1164
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,000
us to watch, but we needed you to experience this

1165
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:37,840
to make you who you are today. Without that, you

1166
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:39,960
wouldn't be who you are, and we need you to

1167
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,679
be like this, so they left them to it.

1168
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:53,639
Speaker 3: If you had speaking of nope ah hashtag nope on

1169
01:05:54,079 --> 01:06:00,360
the buff gray six foot tall classic gray aliens, thank you.

1170
01:06:02,159 --> 01:06:07,079
If you had the option to consciously just in your

1171
01:06:07,159 --> 01:06:11,320
everyday life, remember every single interaction that you've ever had

1172
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:12,480
with them. Would you want to.

1173
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so now. I don't know if I

1174
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:21,000
would have said yes years ago, but now I've got.

1175
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 4: A lot more confidence.

1176
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,599
Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot more people, and I've got

1177
01:06:23,639 --> 01:06:25,079
a lot more understanding of it.

1178
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 4: You know, I'd probably completely freak.

1179
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: Out if I woke up at three in the morning

1180
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,719
and there's two Grays standing next to my bed. But

1181
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,039
if I was outside and saw a UFO, like really

1182
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:38,599
low down, not just a light in the sky and actual.

1183
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,119
Speaker 4: Craft, I'd probably be very excited.

1184
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: And if I saw a gray alien at the side

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of the road as I'm driving, yeah, I'd like to

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see that. And this guy James Kelly with the Archerians,

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they've offered to take him to their planet, and he's

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been there several times and they offered to take his

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wife and children because there was one point in their

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marriage his wife said to him she thought he was

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schizophrenic and delusional because he was telling her about his experiences.

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But then she saw something that changed her mind, and

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so he went to her and said, look, they said

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they'll take you to their planet if you want to

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see it. And she just said, no, I don't want

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to hear about this.

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Speaker 3: She's like, I draw the line right there, what do

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you recall? What was it that she ended up seeing that?

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She goes, oh, I guess this is real.

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Speaker 4: I think it was a craft in the sky.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I don't think she saw any aliens okay, but it

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01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,800
was very low and very close, unmistakably a craft of

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some kind.

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Speaker 3: What kinds of things was James seeing on this planet?

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Do they have cities like ours? And what's doing there?

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Speaker 1: It sounded almost like a spiritual place, because I said

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to him, could you breathe the air? Was the gravity

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too heavy or to light? And what was the sunshine?

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Speaker 4: Light?

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01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:04,719
Speaker 1: And he said it was He said, you could tell

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the gravity was different and the air seemed fine. And

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he said he was there three days and they gave

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him like a room with a bed in it, and

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they'd sleep there, and they gave him food, and he'd

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go out in this area that was kind of like

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a park, a big park area, and there were other

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aliens there, not just Archurians, all sorts of different shapes

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and sizes, and everybody seemed to be getting on real well.

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And it seemed like a spiritual place because of the

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way it felt felt so good to be there, and

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every creature, every person that he met there was connected

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01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,520
in some way telepathically to each other and to him,

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and he felt immense love coming off them. So he said,

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the archurians had dark blue skin, and they were taller

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than us, and they looked very human, but their heads

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01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:02,640
were a different shape, and I think their ears a

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01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,279
different shape, and their eyes are different to us.

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Speaker 5: And he.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Simon, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: I was just gonna say.

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Speaker 1: He described quite a lot of it, and he'd love

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01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:16,960
to take his wife and kids day. He thought it

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01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,680
was a fantastic place. And I also said, well, you

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01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,319
went three days. Didn't anybody miss you? And he said, no,

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01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:24,760
they brought me back at the same moment they took me.

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Speaker 3: WHOA wow. If only we knew how to do that,

1238
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,479
and he felt like he felt like all of this

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wasn't put upon because he was He happened to be

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01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,640
there and he asked to go there. It wasn't this facade.

1241
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,119
He felt like he was actually seeing a glimpse into

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01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:43,720
their everyday lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And he said that there was a woman there

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01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,479
called sary S A r r I who said she

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01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:56,640
was his sister, and there was a woman there called

1246
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:00,079
Ala who was a very good friend. He got the

1247
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:04,720
impression they lived for hundreds of years and he was

1248
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:08,199
somehow connected to them, like he had saying something like

1249
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:11,479
had arctury in DNA, and that's why the Graves were

1250
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,560
so interested in him, because he wasn't just human DNA.

1251
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,159
Speaker 3: So I'm sorry, you may not even I'm asking you

1252
01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:22,039
so many questions about our case. I didn't even bring

1253
01:10:22,119 --> 01:10:26,720
up I'm sorry, but did he so his sister meaning

1254
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,880
that we all are brothers and sisters, you know, space

1255
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,680
brothers and sisters, or meaning that maybe his father or

1256
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:38,159
mother had been taken for eggs and sperm, and then

1257
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,159
it's kind of this hybrid situation.

1258
01:10:42,279 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 4: I think, some kind of hybrid thing. He said that.

1259
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,560
Speaker 1: He was adopted a fifteen year old gave birth to

1260
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:55,520
him and gave him up for adoption immediately, and this

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01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,960
would have been I think the late nineteen fifties or

1262
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,600
early nineteen sixties. He was probably under a lot of pressure.

1263
01:11:02,199 --> 01:11:05,079
But at the same time he was saying that the

1264
01:11:05,079 --> 01:11:10,079
Octurians had impregnated her and that's that's how come she

1265
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:13,039
had the child and put all this DNA in.

1266
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Speaker 3: Wow. Oh, it just gets so interesting, but it also

1267
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:24,319
gets so dark so quickly. Okay, well, Simon, I look

1268
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:26,840
forward to our next chat. Hopefully we're going to do

1269
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,239
this again if you're up for it. There's just so

1270
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:34,079
many great cases and encounters and sightings in your book.

1271
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:36,479
But before I let you go once again, if you

1272
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,239
could please not only mention your books, your podcast you

1273
01:11:40,359 --> 01:11:43,520
have two of them, busy guy, and then of course

1274
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:47,239
any socials or contact information that you want to give out.

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01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 1: My website is Simon bound dot com. That's bow An,

1277
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,640
not Simon Brown dot com, and you can go there

1278
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:01,680
for my podcast, my books Past Life Regression, and my books.

1279
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:06,479
One of them is Aspects of Alien Abduction that's on Amazon,

1280
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,880
you get on paperback, audiobook or Kindle. My other book

1281
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:15,119
is Verified Near Death Experiences that's also on Amazon again,

1282
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,840
audiobook and Kindle and what have you, and that I'm

1283
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,760
make sure I've got the right pointing thing. Our paranorll

1284
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,600
After Life is one of my podcasts that's all about

1285
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,720
evidence that consciousness survives death. The other one is called

1286
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,520
the Alien UFO Podcast, so I guess you can work

1287
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,720
out what that one's about. And I've found out the

1288
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,640
other day I've released over a thousand episodes, so you know,

1289
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,039
you get to a certain point with numbers you just

1290
01:12:43,119 --> 01:12:47,199
don't bother checking anymore and lose count. But yeah, it

1291
01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:49,680
was interesting to find that. So if people want to

1292
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,520
listen to my podcast, there's plenty to listen to.

1293
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 3: Well, thanks again, Simon. And I also wanted to do

1294
01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:58,600
at least one episode on your on your regressions and

1295
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,399
all the things that you've come across in talking to

1296
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,479
folks in their past lives, including yourself, because it sounds

1297
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,279
like there's a lot more to go into even with

1298
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,520
just your own encounters with that and experiences. But thanks again, Simon.

1299
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:11,399
I'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've really enjoyed it. It's been great.

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Speaker 5: Well I'm sorry, so I was given the slave by

1302
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:20,680
my parents.

1303
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 6: My business I've been out of college, I've done these

1304
01:13:23,079 --> 01:13:25,119
things as my profession, I produce a little bag.

1305
01:13:26,279 --> 01:13:31,560
Speaker 5: But it says, forget it, that that's something your story,

1306
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,600
that's all gone, that's all passed. I want to see them,

1307
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,119
really you who are now when nobody knows who that

1308
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:44,479
is is because we don't know ourselves except for listening

1309
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:45,760
to our egos.

1310
01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:48,119
Speaker 6: And consulting on them.

1311
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 5: But that that's a really when that again leads uspect

1312
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:59,640
this question, we lare you? That is the meaning. We

1313
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:00,960
shall see how they played with.

1314
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 6: The success by the colors to get you to.

1315
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 5: Come out of the show and find out w.

1316
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:39,239
Speaker 7: It's puss Pusspets puts its less.

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01:15:43,319 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 8: Spiss schools send people, for example, are quite.

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01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 5: Divided on us.

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01:16:03,159 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 6: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation

1320
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,640
that after you are funeral grow you will sadly become

1321
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:18,079
saddly different. They being somewhere else, they will say, reincarnation

1322
01:16:18,279 --> 01:16:21,720
means this that if you sitting here now are really

1323
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,079
convinced that you're the same person bounded at.

1324
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,279
Speaker 8: The door half an hour ago, you'll be reincarnated.

1325
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 5: If you are liberating with your plans now that you're

1326
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,880
done the past hasn't been test.

1327
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:37,199
Speaker 7: The future does be twists.

1328
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,079
Speaker 5: There is only the present. That's the only amenia there

1329
01:16:41,239 --> 01:16:44,239
is the zen Master, don't get a d in this

1330
01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:48,479
place in the center. The spring does not become the sun.

1331
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,359
First there is Samath, and then there is spring.

1332
01:17:20,800 --> 01:18:45,560
Speaker 7: It's it's it's it's, it's, it's, it's it's t s isn't.

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01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 5: That's the same idea.

1334
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 6: Where he says, when you settled down in the train

1335
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:55,520
to read your newspaper and you're not the same person.

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01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 5: Uh, the plan if you think you are, you are

1337
01:19:02,079 --> 01:19:05,840
linking your moments up in the change. And this is

1338
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,039
what binds is the week both there.

1339
01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 6: When you know that every moment which you are is

1340
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,479
the only moment this cancin does.

1341
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 5: There the Master will say to somebody, I can I

1342
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,880
have a book across the room and it can be back.

1343
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:27,720
And he says, where are your foot? They've gone? So

1344
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,079
where are you? Who are you? When we are asked

1345
01:19:31,119 --> 01:19:34,039
who we are usually give a kind of recipation of

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