Speaker 1: There was a guy I talked to who there was
a knock at the door and he opened the door
and it looked like there was David Jacobs standing there.
Dr David Jacobs, and there was a woman holding a baby.
He was looking at them. There was something really wrong
about them, and like, what's David Jacob's doing turning up
at his front door just unannounced? And they started saying,
you know who I am. We're going to come in now,
We're going to come in. And he said he'd just
let them in, and then instantly, like an hour's gone
and he's just sitting on his sofa and he doesn't
know what happened.
Speaker 2: Infinite complete people went to and frow the earth about
their little affairs, serene and the assurance of their dominion
over this more binning fragment of solar dripped wood, which,
by chance or design, man has inherited out of the
dark mystery of time and fleece.
Speaker 3: Hello, everybody, welcome back to into the Fray. On this episode,
I welcome back Simon boun and he is a published
author and also a podcaster. And last time we covered
this is five sixty two that I'm referring to. I
very aptly name that Aspects of Alien Abduction, which is
the title of the book with the subtitle Shocking UFO Encounters,
with a foreword by Mike kleelland who I've also spoken to.
Wonderful chap just like yourself. But welcome back, Simon.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's really good to be here. I enjoyed our
last chat. I'm sure we can get into more stuff now.
Speaker 3: Yes we will, And in fact, last time we did
touch on some of your own personal experiences, which I
I'm sure by happenstance will happen again on this chat,
but on this time around because last time I focused
your book is quite large. There's plenty of subjects and
cases to cover. Last time I focused on high strangeness
and hybrids chapters, this time around sightings and childhood experiences.
So I kind of wanted to open with where is
it here? Just a couple of sentences from the sightings chapter,
because it's a question, of course that is probably one
of the biggest ones in the UFO's lash alien abduction
scenario subject When a UFO is clearly visible, is that
visibility accidental or intentional? If it is intentional, why so?
Ultimately the mystery lies in not only what was seen,
but why it was seen at all. And I think
that that's probably a question and it'll be posed to
you after I'm done with my very verbose opening here.
But I think a lot of you guys that have
these experiences, you kind of do go, well, why me?
So many folks don't have any experiences like that. They
don't see anything strange in the sky or anything weird
in their bedrooms that might be close to anything having
to do with the UFO subject. Why me?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's very difficult.
Speaker 1: It's like you say, with the sightings, why does somebody
see UFO? And is it because they they've chosen that
person to see them and maybe they're having an ongoing
relationship with them and the person doesn't know about it.
Maybe this person for them it's a wake up call
of some kind. It's also think of how do they
choose who they're going to pick up? You know, how
do they know that whether I am or you are
suitable for their program without going to every single child
and checking them to see if they're suitable. And I
wonder if it's something that's worked out before you're born,
because I think it's there's so much to do with
consciousness and out of body experiences amongst the saline abduction stuff.
And there's something that came up for me in hypnosis
when I was going through a past life regression where
I just saw myself with two grays before I was born.
They asked me to have this life and be a
messenger for them. So I think that might be why
I saw UFOs. It could be that it's a precursor
to an abduction event and somebody sees it driving down
the road and they see it in the sky. The
next thing they know, they're coming around a bend and
there's a UFO landed in the middle of the road.
That's a classic one. It's just difficult to know. But
the thing is they don't need to fly around with
really bright flashing lights all over them. I'm sure they
can shoot around our skies without that. They don't have
to light themselves up and do these incredible maneuvers, and
they're so fast that in the daytime they can shoot
over the top of us so quickly. I've seen videos
recently on YouTube where people using cameras that are really
really fast. I'm not sure how many frames per second
they can shoot, but it may be six hundred. And
they've been looking at things that they're filming in the
sky and looking at frame by frame.
Speaker 4: They're not looking for UFOs.
Speaker 1: It might be an aircraft and just in two or
three of those frames, this black ball goes past the
aircraft and it's just like for six hundred frames per second,
and there's only three frames that shows it. That's very
fast as it just shoots past this.
Speaker 4: Aircraft.
Speaker 1: And there's a number of those videos around, So you know,
I suppose the thing is you'd have to you'd have
to go frame by frame for hours and hours and
hours trying to define one.
Speaker 4: But it could be that they're up there all the time.
Speaker 1: They're shooting around all over the top, but they're just
so fast we don't see them. But yeah, I was chosen,
might be because they asked me to do it. I
know they're keeping tabs on me.
Speaker 3: It does make you wonder as our technology advances, with
as you say these videos that you've been watching and
frame rates and resolution improves, it does make you wonder
if then that they that are out there will have
to make adjustments as they realize that we're a little
bit more capable of catching them on film, or maybe
they just don't really mind all that much.
Speaker 1: No, I think a lot of the times that they
want to be seen. That's why they have the lights
or over them. And it's a thing where maybe they've
got their own disclosure program that they're running on Earth,
and their timeline is two hundred three hundred years, so
you know, allowing themselves to be seen is part of
the disclosure. It's like a very short time for them,
two or three hundred years. And what it does is
it slowly acclimatizes the human race to their presence, so
that when they really do come forward, everybody's pretty much yeah,
no big surprise. There doesn't freak me out. I wonder
if there was a full disclosure now, whether it's by
a government or by the aliens. There are people around
the world who can't handle it. I think there's people
in the United States who can't handle it.
Speaker 4: I saw.
Speaker 1: A news conference recently in Washington where I can't remember
if it was a guy called Bircher or it was Grush,
who said this information needs to be out there. The
American people can handle it, and I was thinking, well,
maybe the American but what about the rest of the world.
And there's people in America who are very, very religious,
and JD. Vance said he thinks aliens of demons, and
you don't know what will happen, how will it affect
the like the money, the stock markets, all sorts of things.
That's what they call the catastrophic disclosure.
Speaker 3: What do you think about them possibly being demonic in
any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: I don't believe in demons. I'm not religious. I wasn't
brought up in a religious household. And I think the
idea of demons comes from people who have near death
experiences hundreds of years ago, thousands of years ago, because
a small number of people report distressing near death experiences
and a very small number of those being in hell,
and there's demons there. But this is a thing with
near death experiences where you get what you need and
it's as long ast like the near death experience is
a spiritual kick up the pants, and so if you
need a wonderful experience, you'll get it. But if whoever's
in charge of this thinks you need an awful experience,
you'll get that. And there's also an idea that you
kind of get what you expect in a way atheists
might have a near death experience and they spend some
time in just a black vude for a while before
they move into the light. So yeah, I've getting off
topic here, but it's uh yeah.
Speaker 3: Well no, And actually this is a perfect segue because
you did, you did write a book, and you are
you are certified to do regressions and hypnosis and pat
You've done past life regressions on people and written a
book about it. Do you mind that a lot of
folks that you've talked to that also have memories of
past life or if you regress them, they do. In fact,
they say, yes, this is what I was doing in
my past life. They also are more apt to have
experiences and sightings of UFOs and maybe abduction experiences.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I have had a small number of people go back
to a past life on another planet, and since the
book came out, I've had more and more people contacting
me to be regressed to et encounters in this life.
I don't think somebody has a past life regression is
more likely to have had encounters. You know, it takes
a certain type of person, doesn't it. It's like Your
average person in the street probably isn't going to do
a past life regression, but the person who will do
it will have an interest in all this stuff. But
I don't often get people coming to me for past
life regression and saying, oh, I've also had encounters.
Speaker 3: I don't know the exact number, of course, but i'd
say yeah, because it's a question that I've asked so
many times. And that's people that like yourself. You know
that you were taking aboard a ship and you may
not remember, well, you've been regressed, but I'm just per se.
Let's just say that you haven't been a lot of
I'd say it's about fifty to fifty when I ask people,
would you want to be regressed? Or are you happy
just or not happy remembering what you remember? And I
would say it's about half that they go, I will
never go under hypnosis. I'm all good. I don't need
to know what was done to me on that ship
or the subsequent visits from these whatever they are. And
the others are all in, They're like, yes, I would
love to know. I'm just curious. Are you finding the
same thing. Obviously you've written books about these types of things,
but are the people that reach out and then you
try to take them further down the path and they
put the brakes on that.
Speaker 4: No, not the people that contact me.
Speaker 1: Well, I've got on my website it's my calendar and
you can book a free twenty minute consultation call with
me to see what you want to achieve.
Speaker 4: In a regression.
Speaker 1: And what I say to them when they say they
want to investigate this UFO encounter these aliens in their
bedroom or something, I say, are you sure you want.
Speaker 4: To do this?
Speaker 1: This might bring up some trauma, And no one's ever
said no, I don't want to do it, So.
Speaker 4: You know, it's pretty set.
Speaker 1: I think if they want to find out out about it,
they want to find about everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they know they're contacting you for a very
specific reason most of the time. What do you think
about somebody like people say Steven Spielberg. I mean, he's
even as far back as Close Encounters of the Third
Kind and now we have his newest film. They say
that he is part of disclosure in some way, that
he's being fed information either either via the government or
maybe via the aliens himself, or he has his own
experiences somehow. What do you think about that.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's being fed information from any secret
government thing to help him out. When I saw the
film Disclosure, I really liked it, and I saw things
in there that are kind of screen memories that I
write about in the book. When they see these animals
with the big black eyes, and then there's a scene
they're walking to a house that's very well lit. There's
a thing in my book where it might be volume two,
about these people who lived in a trailer park and
the lot next to them was empty and there was
a fence around it, and they went She said, they
went out with the couple for their last cigarette before
they go to bed, and they're standing outside on the
little porch and they noticed there's.
Speaker 4: A trailer in the lot next to theirs. And now
that's funny.
Speaker 1: We didn't hear them come in, We didn't see anything,
and it just looked like a normal trailer.
Speaker 4: Lights were on inside. So they thought, oh, we'll have
a look at it tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Next day, they get up, there's no trailer there, and
they go and climb the fence. There's no marks on
the grass, no footprints, no tire marks, nothing.
Speaker 4: So it was.
Speaker 1: Almost like this trailer was a screen image. Maybe there
was a UFO sitting there. And so in Spielberg's film,
when you see a house and they're walking towards it,
I can see that as a screen image, that that
was a UFO there, because I reminded another story.
Speaker 4: I just tell you this one. There was a.
Speaker 1: Couple who were on a really long trip across part
of south southern United States and they were going across
this desert and they got to this town and they
were leaving the town heading out on this road and
it's They got like another eight hours drive to get
to the next town, and it was getting dark overnight,
and they came to edge of town. There was this great,
big building and this was June, and this building, this
shop only sold Christmas goods. And it was like, she thoughts,
was that's weird, Well, Christmas shop at this time of year,
and it had all the Christmas lights all over, it
was all lit up and multi colored. And the weird
thing was it was back from the roads. There was
no car park, there was no ramp to drive up.
It was just the desert dirt. And her husband says,
we can't stop now, We've got to get on. We
can stop there on the way back, and on the
way back that shop wasn't there. There was nothing in
that place. And so this is another form of screen
memory that you see showing up because people might say
you see owls or something. But there's also they seem
to disguise themselves as buildings sometimes and I'm rambling, what
was the question?
Speaker 3: No, I love rambling. I do it all the time, simon,
don't you worry? And it opens up very interesting conversation.
So I I embrace that. But a lot of times
we hear that there's I mean, that's incredible that they can.
Essentially they can make a trailer appear there. They can
or it's actually UFO made to look like a trailer,
or a Christmas shop in the middle of the desert.
That is a you go, well, it's cool that you
can do that, but it's not quite right. It would
be better to have a rock shop or a knickknack shop,
or an antique shop or something like that. So this
random Christmas shop you kind of go, well, who made
that decision right to make it a Christmas shop in
the middle of the desert.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless they wanted it to be seen.
Speaker 3: Because it's strange. Yeah, that's true, that is very true.
I would probably stop at that. In fact, on the
way to king in Arizona, there was a there. I
don't even know if it's still there now that I
say it, but growing up going out to Kingman for
my grandparents, there was this Santa's Workshop Christmas shop that
was in the middle of the desert on this what
used to be just be a two lane highway now
it's four, and it was always Uh. It's actually does
work out with your explanation because it is one of
those things where people go, well, what the what the
hell there's a christ Why in the let's stop to
That is just weird? So that actually does play right
in the second you said, I'm like, oh, there was
a Santa Shop on the way to Kingman, Arizona, which
is very weird. It probably did get a lot of
people to stop. Have you ever tried to do or
wanted to do? If you already see them, maybe you
don't need to try to do this, but you know,
go outside and try to call them in. How many
people have you spoken to in all of your research
and collecting these encounters and experiences. Have people tried to
do essentially do a CE five protocol, or they're just
so they've been bitten by the bug so hard that
they are basically obsessed with it, where they're trying to
call them in to themselves even more.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: I think I've spoken to two or three people who've
done that, and it has worked in a way where
they talk about lights in the sky and then they
flash their torch at them.
Speaker 4: You know, we call it a torch, you call it flashlights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it will flash back, or they'll ask
it to move to the left or right and it'll move.
But that's about it. But there's a lot of people
I've talked to are having alien encounters. The last thing
they want to do is invite them down. They want
them to stay away.
Speaker 3: I would imagine, especially those where they are seeing them
in their home, which I could only imagine would be
feeling like an extreme violation in a lot of cases,
depending on what goes on and how much the person
can remember.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1: You know, with it starting off for childhood experiences and
they get these screen memories, these et show themselves as
clowns or muppets or monkeys and things, so the small
children don't get so freaked out, and they seem to
say it's it's fun. But when you reach puberty, it
changes and it gets nasty. And that's when they start
harvesting eggs and sperm and dragging you onto a ship
naked and you know, checking you out and things. So
it does get quite scary after a while. And that
period seems to last for decades.
Speaker 3: With the with the screen memories, and I know that
we touched on this last time as well, just a
little bit. But as you just mentioned clowns and muppets
and you know we've heard of that's not it out.
You know, it looks like a four of what they're been.
I had somebody on they said it looked like one
person could see a huge owl in the road, abnormally large,
but it was still now really big. And the other
person in the car said, no, no, that is a
great alien. So you know, this disparaging back and forth
with things not matching up happens a lot. Do you think,
because I was just talking about them, do they mess
things up when if a child sees a muppet, you
know from Sesame Street or something like that, and or
a clown. Do you think that so far they've from
what you've heard from these cases, do they usually get
that right in that it is a comfort for the
person seeing this screen memory or do sometimes they get
it very very wrong and it ends up terrifying instead.
Speaker 4: No, they seem to get it right.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're able to, you know, because they're
telepathic and they can somehow look into your mind and say,
what is the best image for this child? And if
the child's a huge Sesame Street fan, they'll show them
up there and like clowns nowadays, that's what you see
in horror movies.
Speaker 4: They're a scary thing.
Speaker 1: But the guy that saw clowns saw them in like
nineteen sixty four when he was a small child, and
that was his favorite thing. It's watching them on the
TV or going to a circus. So yeah, they seem
to be able to prize out of your mind what
would be best for you at the time.
Speaker 3: Do you recall or have you been regressed to see
what were you shown in lieu of any aliens you
know that you may have come in contact with at
an early age.
Speaker 1: I didn't see any screen images, or maybe I have
and I just didn't spot it. But it's not something
that I think has come up for me. I mean,
I did have a weird experience once with AT, but
I think it was more like a time slip than
an ET thing. I used to commute to work every
morning and I'd go past my favorite Chinese restaurant, and
one morning I drove past it and there'd been a
fire and it had been really bad. It was completely
boarded up and you could see all the soot up
the front of the building, and I was like, oh man,
that's my favorite Chinese restaurant. They might not be serving
again for a couple of months. And then the next
day when I was driving, it looked back to normal,
like there'd been no fire. In the morning when I
was driving to work, I thought that was quick. They
sorted that out so first, But then on the way
home it was back to looking like it had had
a fire. And I'm sure I wasn't confused and I
didn't mistake that because it really stood out to me,
and I remember the drive home thinking, what the hell
happened there? I can't figure this out. So that's why
I think it might have been a little time slip
or something.
Speaker 3: Oh I love time slip stories. Those are fascinating. Do
you think all these things are tied in somehow, Simon.
Speaker 1: I think it's all to do a consciousness, and some
of it's like time slips. They might just be a glitch,
something accidental. You know, you might want to say glitch
in the matrix. But I think sometimes it's done on purpose.
Sometimes they make mistakes, they try and get it right.
It's like there's a lady in my book, Deborah Corble,
who is visiting with friends and she kicks a ball
over the fence and then she has to go in
the house the garden next door to collect the ball.
But she says, she gets there and some she's really disorientated.
She doesn't know where she is, she doesn't know how
to get back. And I don't know if I've talked
about this before, but she goes into the house because
there's a little boy at the door says, well, you
come in, I've got some toys to show you. But
she gets in there and it's just not quite right.
It's like the lamp is sitting on top of the
chair instead of the floor, and the TV's upside down,
and it's like they've tried to make it look normal.
And then some weird things happen in there, and some
weird toys are there, and she has a blackout of memory,
and she remembers being on a table and feeling a
really sharp pain in her body somewhere, like they're stabbing
her or trying to get something.
Speaker 4: In or out.
Speaker 1: And then the boy takes her to the front door
of the house and she's on the pathway, and then
the boy's mother shows up and says, what are you
doing here, and tells the boy off, you shouldn't be
bringing her here, and she starts walking down the pathway
and the door closes, and then her sister's there, and
her older sister is saying to her, we've been looking
for you for two hours. We could not find you anywhere,
but for her, it seems like it was maybe twenty minutes.
So that's the missing time thing. The weirdness of the room.
It's like Mike Clellan said when he was on boarder
Craft once he was taken into a room that looked
like a seventies boardroom with tachi carpet and plastic folding chairs.
It was like, he says, there's no way there's a
nineteen seventies boardroom.
Speaker 4: On board of UFO.
Speaker 1: It's like they were trying to do something to make
him feel at home, but they really got it wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they try to make you at ease in a
lot of these cases, and you go, you guys have
missed the mark here quite a bit. But good, Yeah, good,
try an Ada boy for that. This is something I know.
Nick Redfern has written an entire book about this, and
this I would imagine wouldn't come up in a lot
of conversations with these folks that they've placed their trust
in you. But maybe it has. The subject of blood
type has come up in a lot of UFO and
abduction cases. Is that something that you've tracked all?
Speaker 4: No, it's not.
Speaker 1: I did have somebody on recently who we talked about
blood types. Is it a reciss negative that shows up
a lot? But I got to be honest, I don't
even know which blood type I am. I don't know
if in America everybody knows their blood type, but I
don't think we do over here. But no, that hasn't
come up much, and it's not something I asked people
about either.
Speaker 4: Maybe I should do.
Speaker 3: No, I get that, I mean I would suppose that
once you get down a certain path. It might be
a little easier to ask something like that, but others
would be like, why are you asking that? And I'm
not telling you. You know, it might get to that point,
but I would imagine they have a lot of trust
in you, Simon. Okay, So before we get into some
of these cases, what about the men in black? What
is your opinion on those guys? Or just calm those guys?
You know, they look human, They are used really quite
well dressed, and they usually drive a certain type of vehicle.
They sometimes cannot use very simple things pins and pencils
and do funny things, much like having a seventies boardroom
on a UFO. They don't always get things quite right.
So are they are they aliens? Are they some kind
of a government creation to try to silence people that
see strange things? What's your opinion on that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're probably something more weird, something alien.
I don't know if that's the right way to put it,
but it's like you're saying, they don't get it quite
right because the cars they drive seem to be from
the nineteen fifties, like the clothes they wear. And I've
had people tell me that they turn up at the
door and they don't quite know how to talk to people.
Speaker 4: It's like they.
Speaker 1: Might have been trained this is how you talk to you,
but when they actually get there, they don't get it right.
So I think they are something more out of this world.
And maybe the governments have latched onto that and they
get their guys to dress.
Speaker 4: Up like men in black. I don't know, because there's.
Speaker 1: I wondered if I was ever investigating UFOs, it might
be a bit of a giggle to turn up dressed
as a man in black, and they're actually.
Speaker 4: Serious about it.
Speaker 1: But there have been a couple of videos I've seen
on YouTube. You never know if they're real, but there's
one of the hotel where two guys are walking in,
and then there's another one with a woman at a
reception desk and this man comes in and she starts
behaving in a bit of a weird way, like just
doing everything he asks. When you know she's the reception
she should be in charge of that space. And yeah,
so I think there are other worldly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, imagine obviously you must be quite good at relaxing
people and putting them in that state where they can
remember things, where consciously they can't quite remember it, and
then they just have that ability times one hundred or
a thousand or whatever it is, and they can do
this while people are walking around and going about their
daily lives. And as you say this, this poor receptionist
just fell right into that and seems like she didn't
have control of her faculties at that point.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that there's another This reminds you another one.
There was a guy I talked to who there was
a knock at the door and he opened the door
and it looked like there was David Jacobs standing there,
doctor David Jacobs, and there was a woman holding the baby,
and he was looking at them. There was something really
wrong about them, and like, what's David Jacob's doing turning
up at his front door just unannounced? And they started saying,
you know who I am, We're going to come in now,
we're going to come in. And he said he'd just
let them in and then instantly like an hour's gone
and he's just sitting on his sofa and he don't know,
doesn't know what happened. So they weren't men in black,
but they were very strange.
Speaker 3: That see, that's that's a type of very unfortunate situation,
because how do you not wake up, wake up right
and in quotation marks and not feel violated and not
feel like what why? Why did you do that? What
did you do while you were here in that hour
of precious time? That's missing? So was he already in
contact with doctor Jacobs up till that point.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Wow, But maybe they just realized he would he would
recognize him because he was in the subject. Maybe, Yeah,
that's crazy, Wow, that's.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Whitty Streeber tells a story when he was at UFO
conference and he was in his hotel room as a
knock at the door, and there were two guys who
said they were from the FBI or something, and they
wanted to interview him, and he didn't want to talk
to them.
Speaker 4: He didn't like the look of them.
Speaker 1: And I said, no, it's just a few questions, it'll
be twenty minutes. He has, no, I don't want to
talk to you. And then suddenly something changed and they
were saying, well, thanks for the interview, and he said,
I didn't talk to you, and this guy brought out
this dictaphone press play and Whitley heard his voice talking
on there doing an interview with these two guys in
the hotel room.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: And he said he just couldn't explain that because it
was just like an interview with these guys. It wasn't
like they were accusing him of any criminality or anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't know how to respect the word no,
that's for sure. Okay, So let's get into the sightings
chapter first a little bit, and let's start with Alfie
Provost or Provost. I don't know how to quite say
her name properly. I apologize to Alfea, but let's start
with her because she had similar yours roadside experience. And
this is actually in the state of Oregon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because she went.
Speaker 1: To a concert, a festival called Reggae on the River
and she was a teenager and her friends went home,
but she wanted to stay.
Speaker 4: So she ended up getting a lift back with one
of her.
Speaker 1: Friend's fathers and another kid and they were driving along
and I think it was nighttime, and they saw this
alien standing at the side of the road, and she
said all three of them saw it, and the other
kid got quite upset, but she didn't get so upset
about it, but she said it was like a message
and I made a note of it where she said
I was just given notice, and that notice was it
was time to leave the earthly diamond behind and all
the principles that go with it and to expand. So
she felt that Grave was there for her like a
spiritual kickup the pants to say, you've got to pay
attention to what's happening to in your experiences and start
to grow with it instead of locking it and refusing
to acknowledge it.
Speaker 3: I mean, at least she wasn't scared about it, right.
That's a very that is a very positive thing because
not everyone has that that experience or that initial reaction.
So the next one I found was James Kelly, and
he is actually he was on a military base at
the time, and what ends up happening with his superiors
is something that we happened, we happen to hear over
and over again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he was on a detail in the Marines.
They sent him to the rifle ranger with a couple
of other guys to set the guns up to put
all the bullets in the magazines and get everything ready
for the day's use. And they're sitting there talking and
it's really early in the morning and they see these
lights coming over the other side of the base. And
the thing was one side of the base was the Marines,
the other side was the Navy. And they started joking
around like, oh, that looks like a UFO. But then
as it got so close and it was so low,
they could see it was definitely a craft, and it
was definitely what you would call a UFO. Then these
Navy helicopters appeared and they started flying towards them, and
the craft shot away this instant acceleration they described. And
the next thing you know is all the MPs are
turning up and dragging them away, taking them to see
the base commander, who takes them into his office one
at a time, and he's shouting in their face, why
am I supposed to do this? What are you doing
dragging me here at this time in the morning, And
he just tells them to be quiet. They're not allowed
to tell anybody about what they saw, and that's it.
Speaker 4: And so one thing is.
Speaker 1: That that shows there was a UFO over that base
at that time, and the Navy saw it and sent
helicopters up to chase it. Another thing is they didn't
interview them. They didn't say, Okay, now what did you see?
Describe the craft? How did it move? Like this is fascinating,
this never happens.
Speaker 5: What was it? You know?
Speaker 1: It was like they, Oh, we've seen this all before.
We don't need to ask these guys about it because
we know what they're going to say anyway. So that
that's another interesting part of that. And there's another sighting
in the book with Terry Lovelace about seeing a craft
over a nuclear weapon SIDO as well and then being
told to keep their mouth shut.
Speaker 4: So that does show up. Yeah, you're right in the military.
Speaker 1: Stuff where the people are told to just clamp down
on it and not talk about it. So it makes
you wonder how many guys out there have seen stuff
in the military I just don't talk about it. Maybe
they're afraid of losing their pensions or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, because I would I would hazard to say
that it say that they wouldn't be in trouble for sharing.
It makes you wonder if you could just create an
entire book on those in the military that are or
have been in the military, what kinds of sightings they have,
and how many of those have actually been abducted even
from military bases, because you don't get to hear about
that a whole lot because they are they are quieted
down so very quickly. And the second you mentioned pensions
being taken, of course I wouldn't talk either. So it does.
I would. I would love to have people come forward
more if they could. As far as being physically on
a base, you've seen something very strange in the sky.
Did it go further than that, beyond and your superiors
yelling at you?
Speaker 4: Of course, yeah.
Speaker 1: I interviewed a guy called Matt Roberts. He was the
intelligence officer on the USS Roosevelt when the video was
filmed that was released in twenty seventeen, and as he
was the intelligence officer, the video came to him and
he watched it a lot. He was obsessed with it,
and he said his colleagues would come into the office
and be like, oh, you're not watching that again.
Speaker 4: But he did say that.
Speaker 1: When the craft showed up when they were filming it,
he did wonder if they were there for him. He
had this sudden fear there for me, and he was
having abduction experiences, and that's why he worried if they'd
come to collect him. If that's the reason they were there.
So there's a military guy right in the middle of it,
in the intelligence officers. That's where you want to be,
I suppose. And there's another There was a UFO guy
who's on board a nuclear submarine.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've heard this story.
Speaker 1: He was a proper like military journalist and he got
a ride on a nuclear submarine and he did UFOs
in his spare time or books about it. And he
was on board this submarine and the sonar guy, the
radar guy, said, we've got something moving really fast down here.
Speaker 4: It's coming past.
Speaker 1: And they said it went past the submarine at like
three hundred knots and there's nothing human that can do
three hundred knots underwater.
Speaker 4: And the captain said to them, okay, log it as usual.
It was like log it as.
Speaker 1: Usual, like you see these before. And he went to
the captain. He said, what was that? What happened there?
The captain said to him, you're having a good time here.
He goes, yeah, he goes, well, let's keep it that way.
And that's all the captain said to him. So again
is the submarine they have? They seen these unidentified submerged
objects all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your opinion on that, Simon that certainly they're
trans medium, but what about underwater bass?
Speaker 1: I suppose it makes sense because there's a lot of
deep ocean places we haven't mapped and we can't get to,
so it'd be a good place to hide, I suppose.
And Richard Dolan's books are coming out about USO's and
he's a great researcher and writer, and there's so much
of it out there, and these films we've seen officially
released films of UFOs traveling really fast and then going
down in the water, and they don't decrease in speed
anything human hits the water, it's like hitting a brick wall.
Speaker 4: It's almost comes to a dead stop.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it would make sense, but I
don't think I've talked to anybody who has said they've
seen it or they've been there. There was one guy
who asked where the hybrids were, and they showed him
a map like they telepathically sent it to him, and
it was these two massive, circular kind of cylindrical caverns
underneath the United States. One end of the two of
them was Illinois, and he said it went so far
down it was like two or three states before it finished,
and it was like they were saying to this is
where they are.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard about anybody, not even anyone that
just you've talked to, but ever that has been shown
while they're on a crowd. I think you kind of
already answered this, but I just want to be sure
that they've been shown, you know, because sometimes people will
recall being in a room larger or small. They know
they're on a UFO and they can see space outside.
Have you ever heard of anyone being in a crowd
and looking out and they know that they're underwater?
Speaker 4: No, No, I haven't. That's a good question.
Speaker 1: No, I've heard of them talk about windows and seeing space,
but or even looking down on Earth or other planets
but not underwater.
Speaker 3: Makes you wonder if if sometimes it, I mean, obviously
they can. They're very depth at screen memories and complete
fabrications that sometimes it's not even space that they're looking
out on, but they are underwater. But maybe that's it's like, oh, tmi,
we can't. We can't be letting people know too much
that we're we're using the oceans as well. I don't know,
it's just that's a that's a that's probably a huge
stretch upon a stretch, but just something I wonder about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, there was that film.
Speaker 1: Was it The Abyss where they went down and that
that turned into a whole alien thing first of all,
you think just a disaster movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was guy. I like that one. Was
that David Cameron.
Speaker 3: Yeah, James Cameron. Actually excellent movie. An unfortunate fact about
that movie, Simon, is that Ed Harris actually refuses to
talk about He's the main character and that flick. He
refuses to talk about the Abyss. He hated the filming experience.
I guess several of them almost drown while they were
filming that movie, so he said it was a horrible experience,
which it bumps me out. I've always loved that film
since I was a young. Incredible film. James Cameron is.
He does love his underwater happenings, that's for sure. But yeah,
a great, great nod to a great film. I agree. Okay,
So Deborah Cobble, you already brought her up in a
little bit, and I wanted to just touch on really
quickly because this is in nineteen eighty four and she
was on her own porch with her mother and they
see a boomerang shaped cramp that's lit up from underneath,
and her first thought is, oh, hell no, not again.
So and it's just like that gentleman that you brought
up that was in the military, that they don't always
have these conscious things going on, like, oh, yeah, aliens
think I'm the best things and slice bread and they're
coming to see me. But when they see them, they go,
I think they're there for me. And her initial reaction
was upon seeing this boomerang, oh hell no, not again.
So that's that's an unfortunate reaction because that means that
some things have bled through enough to where she knows
this is not going to be fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think she's with her mother, and when
her mother sees it, she sees all the lights on it.
She's thinking, this is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
And this boomerang is just in and it goes over
them at treetop level, so it's it's really low and
they're on the outskirts of a big city and she says,
there's a point where it lights up and it's so
bright and she rings up. I think it's koufuss and
it just happens with Dr Alan heinek answers the phone
and they describe it to him, and then the next
day they think, oh, it's going to be in the newspapers,
it'll be on the TV, and there's nothing. It's like,
no one else saw it, this massive craft over the
suburbs at treetop level that was so bright and only
two people saw it. And it's that thing again of
the UFOs having selective witnesses. Maybe they wanted Deborah to
see it, but her mum happened to be there, so
they let her see it as well.
Speaker 4: And maybe my mum was having experiences.
Speaker 1: But that's that thing of oh hell not again, that's
probably what I might think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you probably would, wouldn't you, especially with some
of the other types of encounters folks are having. So,
I mean, what do you think about we go from
flying saucers, cigar shapes, we've got boomerangs, we've got we've
got orbs. You know, what do you think is the
purpose or the reasoning behind their craft changing so much
in shape and size?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it could be just that they're doing development
and they're coming up with better designs and better ways
of doing things. It might be the person who sees
the craft it's almost like a screen image, and they're
seeing what the aliens want them to see. I did
notice a thing where people who were abducted, say in
the nineteen six like Betty and Barney Hill, what they
described on board the craft seemed like technology that to
him that to them was advanced, but not so advanced
that they didn't understand what it was. But for us
now looking back on it, technology that looks like it's
out of the nineteen seventies. That's really primitive in a way.
So were the craft that they were taken on boards
kind of fake in some way that they were They
were presenting them with this technology that isn't the technology
that they use. It was just a way to I
don't have to make them calm down or something, or
make them feel they could understand where they are.
Speaker 4: Because as time.
Speaker 1: Has gone on, abductees have reported the interior of the
craft getting more and more up to date, more and
more science fiction, very advanced science fiction.
Speaker 4: I can't see that's how they develop it.
Speaker 1: If you look at our cars from nineteen fifty to now,
you can see a huge change over the years of
the designs and things.
Speaker 4: But that's commercial, isn't it. I can't think.
Speaker 1: There's a UFO builder who's thinking of the commercial side
of things and thinking we've got to make it look
really cool and make sure the air conditioning works real
well and it's got a great sound system. It's maybe
something more consciousness based that they change shape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you brought up a Mike's experience of seeing that
seventies boardroom, so maybe they were like, well, let's see
how he reacts to this, and then he's like, no, no, no,
what the hell is this. This is weird, this is
out of place, this is not Then they adjust depending
on the reaction, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There is a woman I talked to who said they
have fake scenarios, and I think I've had other people
talking a little bit like this. It's something they're testing
someone to see what their emotional reaction would be to
a scenario. And she said she just woke up and
she was in a train and all the people around
her were like video game non player characters, you know,
just people who were sitting there. They weren't engaging with
each other, just facing forwards, and that's when she thought, ah,
they're trying one of those scenarios on me again, And
she got up, walked to the end of the carriage
and opened the door and stepped through, and there were
these two gray aliens who were.
Speaker 4: Like annoyed with her.
Speaker 1: You worked it out, We worked hard on this, and
that's the whole memory of it. But she's been in
other fake scenarios as well, so she spotted that one.
Speaker 3: Hmmm, that would be. It sounds like this particular woman
might have been a little bit used to this, obviously,
because she's like, gotcha, not fooling me this time. But
it's still when you just think you get the thirty
thousand foot view of that, in my mind, that just
sounds terrifying to wake up. And then there's these as
you say, these, these these characters in this whole scenario
that aren't even moving or talking. I mean, that would
be when I think about that, that sounds horrifying. But
her reaction was not going to get me this time,
So bravo to her, right. I mean, it sounds like
she's just unfortunately used to their shenanigans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it must be when the more you encounter them,
the more you get used.
Speaker 4: To it. Yeah, And I wonder if.
Speaker 1: There's a thing where that if they think the person
can handle remembering the encounters, then they allow some of
the memories to come through. And that's why we have
people talking about it, and it might be part of.
Speaker 4: Their disclosure as well, that allowing that.
Speaker 1: But they blocked all of my memories anything I've got
to come up under hypnosis, apart from just seeing a
UFO or maybe they think I just couldn't handle it
and I'd freak out sing that.
Speaker 3: Well and rightfully, so there's nothing wrong with that. I
think most people probably would. So you're what we talked
about on five point sixty two, that initial seeing the
craft over the field and you and the car go
up into the craft. That is the only thing that
you have been able to remember without being regressed.
Speaker 1: I remember the craft, but going up into the craft
was part of the regression, that's right.
Speaker 3: Okay, So other than that, you have not been able
to recall anything without.
Speaker 4: That, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, when several things have come up now with hypnosis,
but I still doubt it though I've heard that people
who are coming to terms with being in this phenomenon
and having these experiences they do tend to deny it
for a long time until something happens where they just
can't deny it.
Speaker 3: What was the worst part or is there a worst
part of your regressions that they that you think that
they've done to you, or something that you saw. What
was Was there any any bad part to that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was just lying on a table being naked, and
the aliens are checking my body, and then the tall
alien came in and did what they call a mind
scan where it just brooks his head right in front
of mines and its eyeballs seem to be able to
get into my brain, a telepathic mind scan. And the
whole time they were doing this stuff, I was shouting,
stop it, leave me alone. And their reply was, what
you're complaining for. You've done this loads of times before.
You know it's necessary, but if you've never remembered it
and then you find that going on and you've got
to freak out.
Speaker 3: You did bring that up last time, I apologized Simon.
Of course that would be the worst thing. That would
be a bad thing. I mean, I'm glad. So that
was the only occasion of you being regressed and recalling
being on a table and being worked on by these things.
Speaker 1: There was another time, and that was spontaneous, so I
was I was regressed into our past life aggression. The
one I just told you about. We were looking for
that kind of thing, but with the.
Speaker 4: Other one, we weren't looking for it. We're going to
past lives. We weren't looking for your aliens or UFOs.
Speaker 1: And I saw a past life and I saw my
death in that past life, and the hypnotherapist had just
drift away from there, leave that life behind. What's the
next thing you see? And I was instantly terrified. And
afterwards she said she could see my muscles quivering because
I was so scared. And where I found myself was
on a table with these gray on my left, two
grays on my right, and you know, doing this stuff.
And then when they got me off the table and
they walked me forwards and things and other things happened there.
So that was spontaneously came up under hypnosi that we
definitely weren't looking for it. And also that's the only
time in hypnosis I've had that much of intense emotion
that it really got me.
Speaker 3: When you see a movie like The Fourth Kind, and
they were genius in their promotion of that movie, because
they made it seem like it was based upon a
completely true story. I mean it is, of course with
people's past subductions and all the cases, but that particular area,
no Malaskan, all of that and the tapes, the video
recordings they thought were based off of a real person.
None of it was real. Very genius, much like the
Blair Witch Project. You know, they had the same kind
of a thing, this found footage. When you see a
film like that, how accurate are you are? Is it
tougher because you've gone through these experience is to watch
films like that or Steven Spielberg's Disclosure and all this
to go well, that's just silly. You guys are way
off the mark. Or do you find yourself going okay,
well they've done their homework, or someone on the staff
or the director, as some might say about Steven, has
had their own experiences or is tied in somehow.
Speaker 1: I don't watch those kind of horror films that are
based around UFOs and aliens, and I think it's because
they just annoy me so much. It's like they spent
all this money making this film and it's just like
this horror film. Why didn't they spend the money making
a proper film about this? It can be fiction, like
Spielberg did. We see more films like that.
Speaker 4: But also.
Speaker 1: When I saw the Spielberg film, I saw different things
happening in it that I recognized from real accounts. And
there's a guy called Steve Neil. He's got a great
YouTube channel and he's had all sorts of experiences, and
he said, there's a scene in the Disclosure that brought
tears to his eyes and he was almost shaking because
that scene brought so much back to him that freaked
him out. So yeah, people do get freaked out by these,
but you know, it's like Close Encounters. Spielberg had doctor
Alan Heinik as an advisor, and I think the French
character in that film was based on Jacques Valet, so
he does get good people in to advise on what
he's doing. And it certainly looked like they did their
homework for Disclosure.
Speaker 3: I agree. Isn't that so frustrating that they think that
they need to add all of these these other elements
to make it over the top, And when reality, when
you look at all these different cases, just take your
book as a cross section. There's people's realities, or at
least how they perceive it, and they think is one
hundred percent that is their true truth. Is terrifying in
a lot of ways, and it doesn't need anything added
to it. That I agree that is very frustrating about
a lot of these movies. They need the jump skares
and to make the creatures or the whatever just so
over the top, and it's very not needed. Sometimes it's
a subtle tea. It's the subtleties about the phenomena that
make it all the more terrifying and invasive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, what is this stuff not dramatic enough?
You have to start messing around with that. The film
called Nope.
Speaker 4: You know that one? Yeah, that UFO film.
Speaker 1: I just remembered that. There's a scene where he's in
the barn and it looks like these three aliens turn up,
but it turns out to be children in costumes. But
when you first see them, you think it's the aliens.
They're in the barn, and I remember that freaked me
out a little bit. I felt a little scared. There
was something triggered inside me, and then I was disappointed
to find it was just children.
Speaker 4: I wish it was Aliens.
Speaker 3: But to you though, there probably is something there with
that scenario because it did awaken something inside of you
and it some kind of a fear response.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, makes you wonder where that came from.
Speaker 1: But there's not many films that depict from well at all.
Speaker 3: What Sorry, here I go on one of my tangents
and then we'll close out with Bonnie Mitchell. But is
there a film to you that that you think is
the most accurate. I know you don't watch a lot
of them, but have you seen one that or somebody
or maybe a lot of people bring up a certain
film that you feel is maybe the best to watch
or the closest.
Speaker 1: Well, closing councils a third kind, definitely, and disclosure a
close second. And there's a scene in Close Encounters where
he's in the truck and he comes to a railway
stop and he's looking at his map and you see
the lights behind slowly rise behind him. That was a
case that jail and Heinech knew and he told Spielberg
about it. So that was a genuine report from some
of that actually happened to someone. And so yeah, I
think whoever Spielberg works with, because I can't imagine he's
doing all the work on this, that they're doing their homework.
It's like the aliens as well. At the end, they
look surprisingly like the Grays. It's not a very vague
resemblance of the Grays. They've got the bigger heads and
the big eyes. And there's a really tall one that
has arms that are just like sticks, and I remember
it's raising its arms up and that was a bit
freaky seeing that one. I don't know if it's because
it just looks so peculiar, but people do report that
the tall Grays, and they're very much stick like, almost insects.
Speaker 3: Incredible film. I mean, a plate full of mashed potatoes
was never the same again, right Simon, Yeah, yeah, all right,
Well let's close out with Bonnie Mitchell and a perfect Seguay.
Because you mentioned sticklike figures being seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because when she was small, she woke up and
then she said two stick like figures in her room
that didn't make any sense to her, and they were
holding hands, and then they slowly started moving towards her
and she started screaming for her mum, and as her
mum came in the room, they just kind of faded away.
So it's like, you know, they didn't use screen image
that time when she was so small, but it shows
that she did see it. She was awake because she
had so much adrenaline and she was screaming it was
a dream and a mon came in and didn't see them.
So that that can be a problem just for parents
to say, oh, it's just a dream, don't worry, and
the kid knows it's not just a dream, and they're
fears of something nasty happening and not being properly acknowledged,
and they're notably being properly looked after.
Speaker 4: It can make things worse for the child.
Speaker 1: And it almost gets to a point, as a couple
of people who say their parents said to them, look,
just stop telling us about these nightmares. We've heard enough
about it. Don't talk to anybody about it. Don't tell us.
So it's like they do the alien's job of the
cover up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a very unfortunate part of it. Have
you ever come across anyone else that has seen grays
in their bedroom and the grays are holding hands or
whatever alien isn't in the room or holding hands.
Speaker 4: No, No, I haven't come across that.
Speaker 3: What do you think the purpose of that would be
to put her at ease? Possibly, or they needed that
connection for some reason.
Speaker 1: I think it might be be because, you know, children,
because she was very young, I think she was five
or six years old, and children hold hands. Maybe it
was that thing of trying to look a little childlike,
trying to make a feel more at ease.
Speaker 4: I just don't know.
Speaker 3: Do that's so honestly, I know they're trying to make
it look a certain way. To me, that just seems
so dark that they're trying to deceive a child like
that and make it look like, oh no, we're okay,
we're just friends, and we're gonna now hold your hand
and we're gonna take you aboard a ship and do
something very invasive to you. That's that is very dark
to me. Okay. So Bonnie's second encounter, and she's again
she's in her bedroom and there's a light in the sky,
and she ends up exiting the bedroom. So let's talk
a little bit about this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she goes outside. I think she's there's a parking lot.
Speaker 4: Next to a house. I think that's what it is.
Speaker 1: And the UFO lands there and she seems quite happy
to go outside and investigate, doesn't seem scared. And then
these people start coming off the craft. So they're not
the stick figures that she's shore in her bedroom. They're
much more human looking, and I think there's just slight
little differences that you'd notice that make you think maybe
they're not human. And they sit down at a picnic
table and they start talking, and she feels very welcomed
and almost has a feeling of familiarity. I've met these
before from somewhere, and they treated her like they knew her,
and they even shed some of her some of their
food with her, which is this odd green cubes of
jelly like stuff. And I mean, if aliens gave you food,
would you trust it? Do you think, what's this going
to do to my body?
Speaker 4: What's my stomach?
Speaker 1: Or is this going to am I going to get
really ill from this?
Speaker 4: But she was fine.
Speaker 1: She just sat there, played with them, talked to them
make their food, and then they went off. So it's
one of these people who has different encounters like this.
James Kelly who had the Grays and the Arcturians in
his life, and the Grays were nasty and the Octurians
were nice. And I talked to somebody the other day
who had not the archer and as the Pleaadians in
their life and the Grays, but they were never seen together,
and it was the Grays being mean and the Pleaadians
being nice. So I've seen that show up two or
three times now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting, so that you have the bad cop good
cop situation, right? Or are they just completely separate?
Speaker 5: Do they?
Speaker 3: Do you think that different entities you talk about, there's
Reptilians and the tall Whites and the Grays. Do you
think that all these entities are in contact with each
other or they have their own completely separate agendas.
Speaker 1: I think they do have this separate agendas, and some
of them can be really nasty and some of them
can be really nice. It would be wrong to look
at UFOs and just say, what's their agenda? And this
thing they are aware of each other. When James Kelly
was in a particularly nasty position with the Grays, the
Archerians appeared. He said, like a portal opened up in
the room and they stepped through and the Grays were
just immobilized. It's like the Archerians had such strong I
don't know, telepathy or something or use the force on them,
and the Grays couldn't do anything about it. And he
said these were the shik Grays, which it's the only
person who's talked about them, but he said they look
like hybrids of reptilians and grays. They're about six feet
tall and they're fuller muscles. And he says he was
lying on the table, was kind of tied down, and
he was able to lift his head and he shouted
at them, you've got to let me go. And the
gray came over and but it's hand on his forehead
and slammed his head back down and just told him
to shut up. But he asked the Archerians, if you
could intervene, then why didn't you intervene before? Because it
seemed that he saw the Archerians till he was like
seven years old, and then they didn't show up again
untill he was in his thirties. But between seven years
old and up to his thirties, he was constantly being
picked up by the Grays and they were not nice
to him, and they said to him, we knew what
was going on, and it was pain for us for
us to watch, but we needed you to experience this
to make you who you are today. Without that, you
wouldn't be who you are, and we need you to
be like this, so they left them to it.
Speaker 3: If you had speaking of nope ah hashtag nope on
the buff gray six foot tall classic gray aliens, thank you.
If you had the option to consciously just in your
everyday life, remember every single interaction that you've ever had
with them. Would you want to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so now. I don't know if I
would have said yes years ago, but now I've got.
Speaker 4: A lot more confidence.
Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot more people, and I've got
a lot more understanding of it.
Speaker 4: You know, I'd probably completely freak.
Speaker 1: Out if I woke up at three in the morning
and there's two Grays standing next to my bed. But
if I was outside and saw a UFO, like really
low down, not just a light in the sky and actual.
Speaker 4: Craft, I'd probably be very excited.
Speaker 1: And if I saw a gray alien at the side
of the road as I'm driving, yeah, I'd like to
see that. And this guy James Kelly with the Archerians,
they've offered to take him to their planet, and he's
been there several times and they offered to take his
wife and children because there was one point in their
marriage his wife said to him she thought he was
schizophrenic and delusional because he was telling her about his experiences.
But then she saw something that changed her mind, and
so he went to her and said, look, they said
they'll take you to their planet if you want to
see it. And she just said, no, I don't want
to hear about this.
Speaker 3: She's like, I draw the line right there, what do
you recall? What was it that she ended up seeing that?
She goes, oh, I guess this is real.
Speaker 4: I think it was a craft in the sky.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't think she saw any aliens okay, but it
was very low and very close, unmistakably a craft of
some kind.
Speaker 3: What kinds of things was James seeing on this planet?
Do they have cities like ours? And what's doing there?
Speaker 1: It sounded almost like a spiritual place, because I said
to him, could you breathe the air? Was the gravity
too heavy or to light? And what was the sunshine?
Speaker 4: Light?
Speaker 1: And he said it was He said, you could tell
the gravity was different and the air seemed fine. And
he said he was there three days and they gave
him like a room with a bed in it, and
they'd sleep there, and they gave him food, and he'd
go out in this area that was kind of like
a park, a big park area, and there were other
aliens there, not just Archurians, all sorts of different shapes
and sizes, and everybody seemed to be getting on real well.
And it seemed like a spiritual place because of the
way it felt felt so good to be there, and
every creature, every person that he met there was connected
in some way telepathically to each other and to him,
and he felt immense love coming off them. So he said,
the archurians had dark blue skin, and they were taller
than us, and they looked very human, but their heads
were a different shape, and I think their ears a
different shape, and their eyes are different to us.
Speaker 5: And he.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Simon, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say.
Speaker 1: He described quite a lot of it, and he'd love
to take his wife and kids day. He thought it
was a fantastic place. And I also said, well, you
went three days. Didn't anybody miss you? And he said, no,
they brought me back at the same moment they took me.
Speaker 3: WHOA wow. If only we knew how to do that,
and he felt like he felt like all of this
wasn't put upon because he was He happened to be
there and he asked to go there. It wasn't this facade.
He felt like he was actually seeing a glimpse into
their everyday lives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he said that there was a woman there
called sary S A r r I who said she
was his sister, and there was a woman there called
Ala who was a very good friend. He got the
impression they lived for hundreds of years and he was
somehow connected to them, like he had saying something like
had arctury in DNA, and that's why the Graves were
so interested in him, because he wasn't just human DNA.
Speaker 3: So I'm sorry, you may not even I'm asking you
so many questions about our case. I didn't even bring
up I'm sorry, but did he so his sister meaning
that we all are brothers and sisters, you know, space
brothers and sisters, or meaning that maybe his father or
mother had been taken for eggs and sperm, and then
it's kind of this hybrid situation.
Speaker 4: I think, some kind of hybrid thing. He said that.
Speaker 1: He was adopted a fifteen year old gave birth to
him and gave him up for adoption immediately, and this
would have been I think the late nineteen fifties or
early nineteen sixties. He was probably under a lot of pressure.
But at the same time he was saying that the
Octurians had impregnated her and that's that's how come she
had the child and put all this DNA in.
Speaker 3: Wow. Oh, it just gets so interesting, but it also
gets so dark so quickly. Okay, well, Simon, I look
forward to our next chat. Hopefully we're going to do
this again if you're up for it. There's just so
many great cases and encounters and sightings in your book.
But before I let you go once again, if you
could please not only mention your books, your podcast you
have two of them, busy guy, and then of course
any socials or contact information that you want to give out.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My website is Simon bound dot com. That's bow An,
not Simon Brown dot com, and you can go there
for my podcast, my books Past Life Regression, and my books.
One of them is Aspects of Alien Abduction that's on Amazon,
you get on paperback, audiobook or Kindle. My other book
is Verified Near Death Experiences that's also on Amazon again,
audiobook and Kindle and what have you, and that I'm
make sure I've got the right pointing thing. Our paranorll
After Life is one of my podcasts that's all about
evidence that consciousness survives death. The other one is called
the Alien UFO Podcast, so I guess you can work
out what that one's about. And I've found out the
other day I've released over a thousand episodes, so you know,
you get to a certain point with numbers you just
don't bother checking anymore and lose count. But yeah, it
was interesting to find that. So if people want to
listen to my podcast, there's plenty to listen to.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks again, Simon. And I also wanted to do
at least one episode on your on your regressions and
all the things that you've come across in talking to
folks in their past lives, including yourself, because it sounds
like there's a lot more to go into even with
just your own encounters with that and experiences. But thanks again, Simon.
I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've really enjoyed it. It's been great.
Speaker 5: Well I'm sorry, so I was given the slave by
my parents.
Speaker 6: My business I've been out of college, I've done these
things as my profession, I produce a little bag.
Speaker 5: But it says, forget it, that that's something your story,
that's all gone, that's all passed. I want to see them,
really you who are now when nobody knows who that
is is because we don't know ourselves except for listening
to our egos.
Speaker 6: And consulting on them.
Speaker 5: But that that's a really when that again leads uspect
this question, we lare you? That is the meaning. We
shall see how they played with.
Speaker 6: The success by the colors to get you to.
Speaker 5: Come out of the show and find out w.
Speaker 7: It's puss Pusspets puts its less.
Speaker 8: Spiss schools send people, for example, are quite.
Speaker 5: Divided on us.
Speaker 6: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after you are funeral grow you will sadly become
saddly different. They being somewhere else, they will say, reincarnation
means this that if you sitting here now are really
convinced that you're the same person bounded at.
Speaker 8: The door half an hour ago, you'll be reincarnated.
Speaker 5: If you are liberating with your plans now that you're
done the past hasn't been test.
Speaker 7: The future does be twists.
Speaker 5: There is only the present. That's the only amenia there
is the zen Master, don't get a d in this
place in the center. The spring does not become the sun.
First there is Samath, and then there is spring.
Speaker 7: It's it's it's it's, it's, it's, it's it's t s isn't.
Speaker 5: That's the same idea.
Speaker 6: Where he says, when you settled down in the train
to read your newspaper and you're not the same person.
Speaker 5: Uh, the plan if you think you are, you are
linking your moments up in the change. And this is
what binds is the week both there.
Speaker 6: When you know that every moment which you are is
the only moment this cancin does.
Speaker 5: There the Master will say to somebody, I can I
have a book across the room and it can be back.
And he says, where are your foot? They've gone? So
where are you? Who are you? When we are asked
who we are usually give a kind of recipation of
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