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the Fan. Private equity getting into collegiate sports. We've been
talking about it. The first domino is it looks like
it has fallen and it's.
Speaker 3: Right here in our state of Utah.
Speaker 4: Salt Lake City is the city and the University of
Utah is delving into the private equity foray. Is it
a good thing? Is it a bad thing? What does
it mean for you Cougar fans? What does it mean
for the University of Utah? Is this tax payer funded
as well as private equity funded? Is that the fail safe?
Who's going to approve this, why would they approve it?
And more here on your Utah, ESPN Readio network, also
getting into all of the Notre Dame drama. It continues,
mister Beverquad the eighty for Notre Dame is just on
a rampage from a public relations standpoint, giving quotes everywhere
he roams.
Speaker 3: He seems to be shopping for a new partner okay.
Speaker 4: In the college football and college athletics world. Whether that's
the SEC Big Ten or the Big twelve to be determined,
but he is not happy with the ACC. It seems
like this is trending towards a divorce where he's got
twenty four of his athletic teams playing in the ACC
and you have six games with his football team playing
in the ACC.
Speaker 3: He's ticked off.
Speaker 4: Felt like the ACC as a conference was attacking Notre Dame,
their brand, their resume, and that's the reason why that
Notre Dame's not in the colle football playoff. That I mean,
if I was just surmised you, if I was to
summarize it, he's actively engaged in disassociating himself from the ACC,
and he blames the ACC for the public relations negative
propaganda that the ACC spilled out onto social media and
other platforms and maybe even with ESPN, the media partner
of the College Football Playoff in colleg Football Playoff Committee
during this process.
Speaker 3: So crazy stuff happening.
Speaker 4: We're gonna delve into all of it here on your
Uti ESBN ready and newk and what it means for
BYU Athletics.
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Speaker 3: In a December ninth edition.
Speaker 5: Is crazy that we're in December bend, but I love
it because it's the holiday season.
Speaker 3: So happy holidays.
Speaker 6: I haven't said this officially to you and your other calls,
so you introduced, but happy holidays.
Speaker 4: Everybody, Happy holidays, Happy holidays. Let's welcome in Brett always
bringing the hammer habitame show what's up?
Speaker 3: I'd like to sell a percentage of my future earning
from five hundred million dollars today.
Speaker 7: I'll give it away right now for any private equity
that wants to invest in the ten thousand dollars how
much you been having to make over the next couple
of years. If any private equity wants to invest, I'm
here to give it away.
Speaker 4: You're here to give away your profits, just a percentage,
a percentage, not the whole day, not.
Speaker 3: All of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's welcome in our private equity Guru.
Speaker 3: We got Brandon Sagurty the g man. What's up, g Man.
Speaker 5: I've been on Google chaps. I've been trying to understand
this private equity think.
Speaker 1: I really have, like you.
Speaker 5: Cougar, or to understand board, to understand there's people on there.
Speaker 4: Oh, there are there are many people whatever.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to wrap my head around this. If it's
going to work, how it's going to work, and when
needs to go into it. I it blows my mind.
Hopefully a man in business such as Ben Crittle.
Speaker 3: And can break this up.
Speaker 4: I can tell you what I see from Corporate America
and how like VC firms and private equity firms have
have in many ways ruined corporate America, if that's a
if that's possible, but yeah, I'll devin that from what
I've seen personally, and and how maybe the black Rocks,
the Blackstones and many others come in and they they
they make things. They make, they make the better right,
they make these entities seemingly more popular, profitable. They they
they they they buy, they they churn and burn, that's
what they do typically. So I don't know what the
endgame is for private equity to be in this business.
Is it to sell to another private equity firm, right
to sell to somebody else?
Speaker 3: Sell, you know what I mean? Like it's different in that.
Speaker 4: Regard because like from what I see from private equity,
it's buy make it more profitable, profitable, you know, make
the even though look really nice for other VC firms,
private equity firms to buy it.
Speaker 3: So is that what they're gonna do? Are they gonna hold?
Speaker 4: I don't know, Oh, Trow, I don't know what you know,
what the backing is of the of this particular private
equity firm is going to be.
Speaker 3: But I do find it.
Speaker 4: Interesting just how aggressive the University of Utah has been
in this. They are the first domino fall. Everyone's been flirtatious, right,
everyone's been flirtatious. We've seen it in in professional sports,
and we know that college athletics is a professional sports world.
Speaker 5: Now, Texas Tech's kind of at fault here. Texas Tech celebrated.
I mean, it is no secret they bought a really,
really good football team this year. Guess where they are?
Fourth in the country. College football playoff. It works, It
absolutely works. So of course it was gonna work. Anyone
who didn't think it was gonna work, I mean, what
are you thinking. Yeah, cash inflow, players responding, get good players, boom,
college football playoff, more money coming in. Whatever, Hey, we
can do that, invest in us, we can do this.
We have good coaches, we have a great foundation. We're
the University of Utah. Boom, let's go.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And here's what the suggestion.
Speaker 5: Everyone's kind of putting in the fail safe of the
Utah tax payer, with Utah being a state institution.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so even if.
Speaker 5: It incurs a loss, maybe can write it off to
a different book keeping thing.
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing what I've seen in with private equity,
they're very how do I say creative when they're accounting. Yeah,
and I think state run institutions sometimes are very creative
in their accounting. Anyway, you combine those two entities trying
to find any way possible to not be held accountable
for anything and to make themselves look more profitable than
they really are.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Typically these universities, in these athletics parts, they run in
the red anyway. They want to run into it. You spend.
If you don't spend it, you lose it. If you
don't use it, you lose it. That's why they're always
like you have it's it's kind of like a small
business to a certain degree. Like at the end of
the year, I'm looking at tax smart wealthsing invisement type
of things. I may buy a new van technology because
I'm looking at being in a tax bracket that side.
But like these universities aren't in a tax bracket, but
they're looking at spending as much money as possible so
that they look like they need more subsidy. They need
more taxpayer funds, they need more help. University of Utah
has the highest paid in eployee in the state, Kyle Whittingham,
at five million plus dollars per year, so that all
your your tax dollars go to his his salary, and
you wonder if that fail safe is there. It's like, okay,
well it's still a state run institution, but they're selling
their bif getting they're splitting up their university and say
the athletic department is now a private entity. Well, what
are the funds coming from the the university? Then it's
been typically subsidized their student fees, right, So is that
completely disassociated and they're just allowing them licensing for the brand.
They're just allowing license for the brand. So yeah, still
to be determined. How what the fail safe is if
once private equity enters, I feel like typically they're going
to sell to another investment group. They're gonna make it profitable,
they're gonna make it successful, they're gonna make it attractive,
and then they're gonna sell it to somebody else.
Speaker 3: If it fail. What is failure? Is it not being profitable?
It becomes bankrupt.
Speaker 4: Ultimately, I will say this, do you believe that universities
This is a good question for everybody.
Speaker 3: Do you believe that universities.
Speaker 4: Led by academics and non business people are why we're
in the position we're in in collegiate athletic right, like overspending,
you know, just completely inadequate, just inefficient, just all of
the barriers that in bottlenecks that impede you from being
fleet a foot and getting things done and doing things properly. Yes,
like they're the reason why you have a bunch of
incompetence competing in a world in which they have no
core competency in and they meddle and they think they know,
but they don't. They're academics, these are administrators. There's a
if you no offense like this is a quote from
School of Rock. I love that movie. I love School
Bright Jack Black. You know, if you can't do, you teach.
If you can't teach, you teach gym class. There's truth
in that though, too. That's why I love if anyone
here like that that has taken classes from these adjunct
professors that were in the industry and then they come
back and give back yep, Like that's the best class. Yep,
it's the best class. Dad, my dad, who was a
dentist for years right Souldis Practice, came up here, worked
at the Roseman School. He was the favorite teacher and
he led the lab and people became These students became
better dentists physically, their neuromuscular coordination and techniques and materials,
all those things.
Speaker 3: You know. Who wasn't a good dentist. The academics still,
the bureaucracy that was over him. They were a horrible dentists.
Speaker 4: They're all about published theoretical ethereal romantic ideas and then
profiting off of those published journal articles, right like.
Speaker 3: That, that's what they do, And so what do they do?
They kind of usher out.
Speaker 6: But anyway, I just decided to give up on myself
and become a teacher because those that can't do teach
and those that can't teach teach gym.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But like, so yet, going back to the private EQUI conversation, right,
we're not, by the way, we're in the nitty gritty
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Speaker 3: Mind you know melders that they are.
Speaker 4: They they're they're they're they're raising the next generation in
many ways in this academic world. But they do not
have business savvy, you know, they just don't. They don't
have sports marketing savvy. They don't have sports media savvy.
They That's why we're in the situation we're in because
you've had academics leading the charge with Conference UH affiliation,
conference realignment, them negotiating these university presidents and administrators and
chancellors along with their eighties trying to negotiate deals with
ESPN and Fox, and who's taking advantage of those administrators
ESPN and Fox, ESPN.
Speaker 3: And Fox, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's the same reason why the PAC twelve is dead,
Dean Dong, the Wicked Witch is dead. The PAC twelve
died because you had incompetence leading the way Hubris and romance,
eentticism and gluttony and all manner.
Speaker 3: Of lascivious living.
Speaker 4: That's what they were too plump and fat hogs get
fat pigs get slaughtered, and the Pac twelve got slaughtered
because of their inadequacy and efficiencies and incompetence. So private
equity although I'm not like, I don't have this warm
embrace around private equity. It's not like they you want
to be transactional and not transformational. It is the antithesis,
in my opinion, of why we get into sport and coaching.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 4: Now it's all about profitability and transactionality, not transforming young adults,
not creating this this pipeline of great mentorship and academic
prominence and learning and and then.
Speaker 3: Long term any potential.
Speaker 4: Now it's all like profitability, profitability, transaction, transaction dollar spreadsheet,
spreadsheet spreadsheet.
Speaker 3: Even even even does that make sense?
Speaker 4: And so that's it runs contrary to why we get
into the sport. But many people would counter that and
retort say, then look how transactional these players are becoming,
and their parents are becoming, and their agents are becoming.
Now's the time to do private equity because then they're
gonna get visibility on market rates.
Speaker 3: They're gonna be very strategic.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have business minded individuals that are in this
field that have probably some core competency, maybe even in
the sports realm of things, because private equity is getting
into two uh NFL, major League Baseball, all of it, right,
They're they're they're they're getting into all of it, and
they're gonna look at the book. They're gonna see how
things are operating, to see how things are organizationally designed.
But you know, and then they're gonna hire people and
they're gonna cut fat and they're gonna probably be more
transactional than you would actually feel feel good about as
maybe a fan of the altruistic way Darnell's, Darnell's gonna
be ticked off. Now if you thought Darnell was mad
before double D. The altruist that that believes that everyone
was abiding by the rules for the last one hundred
years of collegiate athleticism, don't go on. Everyone abided by
the rules, you know, the arm swing. They abided by
the rules and they did everything right. And that was
the good old days when these players never got a
dime and they got a good hearty education.
Speaker 3: Did you see did you see the ed ordre in sound?
Did you see those guys?
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm sorry I missed it because I
love that order.
Speaker 4: He's okay, It's what I've been saying forever on this show,
like and and it's so funny because it I'll get
sequential with this.
Speaker 3: I'll send it over to you, I Rannie.
Speaker 4: Actually, Coach O states that the SEC has been cheating forever.
Speaker 3: They've had bagmen forever.
Speaker 1: You know this, We have the stories.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like we know that the big ten SEC
and maybe maybe certain ACC school I don't know, maybe
certain USC packed twelve schools, right, Like, there's a certain
like hierarchy. And you wonder you know why the NC
DOUBLEA was incentivized to investigate some and not investigate others.
Typically it's a it's a money funnel, right, Hey, n
C DOUBLEA, here's some money.
Speaker 3: Look the other way.
Speaker 4: The bagmen come in through the back door rather than
the front door. Now, and that's what Ada says. We'll
get to it here momentarily, but this let's just tune it.
Speaker 3: Let's listen.
Speaker 4: And this is coach Coach Edwardron, one of the iconic
coaches in the modern era of college football National Champion
discussing nil and bagmen.
Speaker 3: Y'all know that SEC was an I L before an
I L.
Speaker 4: Hey, you know he's work way past it now just
admitt it.
Speaker 8: Hey, you know what I say, It goes. You know,
you've been not a coaching foot a while, and though,
how do you adjust a N I L? So well,
it's a minor adjustment. And what do you mean I said?
Back then, we used to walk through the back door
in the cash. Now we just got to walk through the.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: So what I've been trying to educate everybody on that
that is very like they're just ignorant. You're ignorant. If
you didn't know this was happening, you're just ignorant. And
you you're an ostrich, You're an ostricher. You just thought,
oh that And I told you time time. The reason
why the SEC, why private equity is getting involved, amongst
other things, is the fact that the SEC and the
Big Tennis have a stranglehold in a monopoly on college
football for so long, and and they don't want to
give it up. They don't want to give it up.
They have built their brands through cheating. They have built
their NFL pipelines through cheating. They have through money, filthy lucre.
That's what it comes down here. They have built it
all through cheating. And they are scared out of their
minds right now because there's more parody in college football
than ever.
Speaker 3: That's what they're scared about. They're scared about parody.
Speaker 4: They're scared that they're too deep are going to TCU.
They're too deep's going to BYU there, their second string,
third string guy is going elsewhere to go get paid
into play right, and that scares the living daylights out
of them.
Speaker 3: Okay, so full circle here.
Speaker 4: We know that they've cheated now SEC in particular, and
so when you look at five teams getting into the
College Football Playoff from the SEC and they're all getting paid, right,
it's gonna funnel back to those decision makers, whether you
believe it or not, like it will it, And it's
gonna funnel back to ESPN obviously because ESPN is the owner, operator,
and rights holder for the CFP. So to say anything
contrary to what they want, you're not abiding. So when
you sear Kirk Kirbstreet not wanting to include BYU and
and all, even Trevor Madditz. I no offense to Trevor,
Like he won't even like acknowledge that there's not a
graphic about BYU being compared like I love Trevor, Like,
I'm not saying he's compromised. I'm just saying, like, if
you're a corporate entity, Like if I speak ill of
the corporate entities in which I represent publicly the people
that employ me, it's not good for me, and I
may not have a job by the end of Q four, right,
like like, so just realize, like there is corruption still,
there is a cabal, there is a cartel, there is
a monopoly, there is an oligopoly.
Speaker 3: That's how.
Speaker 4: Just go and research you know, the Rockefellers or the
Rosties or any one of these major families that run
this world and how they create, you know, these these
barriers of entry into certain markets, and they own markets,
they monopolize markets. That's all College football is in a
much deader bit of small scale, that's what it is.
And they're scared out of their minds that there's more competition.
Speaker 3: It's the the idea that there was still the Cinderella.
Speaker 4: Now you're hearing like with JMU and and and Tulane.
Speaker 3: They're like, why do we even have these guys.
Speaker 4: We shouldn't have Cinderella's right, Paul Finebaub, we shouldn't even
have the They're not the big boys. And I'm like, man,
I'm against that because you do need to have a
certain amount of like hope for these other other teams,
even though they're not financially as robust as these big
brands that have brand akwin that were cheating on their
way to the top, cheating right with their donor bases
and yet with media rights deal and their population density. Yeah,
like all of those things can distributed to it, but
they're cheating. They're cheating to build up. So if JMU
had been allowed to cheat, if Chulange was allowed to
cheat throughout the time SMU tried to cheat in the
eighties and they got slapped with a death penalty, now
look at them like they were just in the college
wall play thing at their plots kick but like they're
they're a good program now a buch better a very
good one.
Speaker 3: I would say good to very good.
Speaker 4: So anyways, I'm going full I'm kind of going with
all these ideas here, Like is it good that private
equity is getting into the business.
Speaker 3: Is it good that for University of Utah?
Speaker 4: It probably will initially be good because a five hundred
million dollars influx of cash is gonna make you competitive immediately.
So yeah, that's a great thing for the University of Utah.
Will it be a long term great deal for all
the taxpayers in Utah if this fails? Because you have
incompetent people that are also still meddling in the profitability
and operational, day to day logistical execution of running.
Speaker 3: A football program.
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, Like I hope that they're not
bailed out if they fail, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I hope that we're not subsidized we've already.
Speaker 4: Like it's funny the people up on the hill the
University of Utah, they get ticked off that, like donors
with money, their own money, by the way, support VA athletics.
Speaker 3: Like they're scared out of their minds about that. That's
why they're the first domino.
Speaker 4: Feel can feel because everything is based off of neighborly
and enmity. In your own life, okay, your personal life,
everything much of what you do is based off of
comparative culture, comparative competitive culture.
Speaker 3: It's what the Law of Moses is all about. Okay.
Speaker 4: It's first, you know, worship God, you know, and then
respect your mom and dad, and then everything else in
the back end is all trying to create peace within
your neighbors. So everything we do in life, and that's
personal and moral, spiritual, uh, to a degree, is driven
and sports wise, business wise is based off comparative competitive culture.
Kyle Whittingham may not retire. I don't think he will.
He's gone three in a row losses to BYU. He's livid,
he doesn't. His legacy has been built off of beating BYU.
Not winning championships in the PAC twelve I believe that,
and a defunct one at that. It's not it doesn't
even exist anymore because it was so.
Speaker 3: Shiity. It was it was all reason. It was full
of fecal matter.
Speaker 4: So he won a conference that no longer exists, or
was a co champion and then a champ, you know
what I mean. He went to the Worlds Bowl. It
doesn't even exist anymore because it was so crappy. BYU
went five and zero against the same teams without any
sort of infrastructural influx of money, no TV money outside
of the little anybody thing that they had going with ESPN,
and they beat all those teams, right, the defunct trash
that one, the confidence of champions that was incompetent in
so many ways. That's what Kyle winning had built is
his legacy off of purportedly no, the legacy is built
off of beating his neighbor BYU.
Speaker 3: And now he's ticked. He's like, no, give me that
five hundred million.
Speaker 4: I'll go buy Who's been the loudest regionally about nil.
Speaker 3: It's Kyle.
Speaker 4: Kyle's been like, oh, we got money, money at resources money,
we gotta go buy players. We gotta buy players, We
gotta buy players. Look at who's winning. Oh it's Texas Animal. Well,
they bought players. You gotta go buy him, gotta buy him.
So who's executing this at a rap a ludicrous speed.
It's Utah baby, And it's led by the most competitive
person that I probably know in the state, the most
petty competitive, which is Kyle Winningham Like I believe that,
And I would say to a certain degree, the commissioner
or not the well, not the commissioner, the athletic director
Mark Carlin you know what I mean, Like he's probably
at the forefront of this, and the university Presidency's like, hey,
all right, if this is what it takes to win,
if this is what we got to do to win,
to stay relevant, to beat our neighbor, that's what it's about.
The dry Like much of the arms race is neighborly enmity.
It is comparative competitive culture that is in every five
fiber of our natural man being, period, period.
Speaker 5: And it's right there. This isn't stuff that will happen.
Is stuff that is happening.
Speaker 3: It's happening.
Speaker 5: Contrast to the recruiting classes that were just signed B
what you call up in Utah got Celesti moa props.
Speaker 4: Well, the reason why you the reason why you you
lost Celessie though, B why you had ice and right
and it just didn't work out A BYU.
Speaker 3: They weren't playing.
Speaker 4: They were kind of a little bit of like in
between ers, like not a d N not an outside linebacker,
all those things. And so Iceman went to Michigan State
I think was yukonnor or Weber I think anyway, love
Ben Moa by the way, and I look, I'm sure
they I'm sure, they handed you know, Celesia a nice,
big fat bag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the money they were gonna give the Pula twins.
Speaker 3: Bro, Yeah, all the money they're getting the pult because hey,
that goes to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, that goes to probably exactly what happened.
Speaker 3: That's okay, and that's all right. Celessi's a baller. So
unless he's really good, that was a great pickup for me.
Speaker 1: Top recruiting in the entire state.
Speaker 4: But you know, BYU as a whole cleaned up twenty
top twenty one in the country, top twenty in the
country in their recruiting class.
Speaker 1: They got some dudes, They got some guys. Yeah, can
I prop la petti mawala?
Speaker 3: Right, you can't.
Speaker 5: I told you this about I just interviewed this kid
the other night, this kid, and seldom you interview a
high school kid that you think you're talking to a
thirty five year old man with three kids. This kid
is so tremendous. B Why you is getting high character guys.
They're not just getting top recruits, they're getting high characters.
Kawa kana. I'd say the same thing for love that kid.
This class is going to be special. I think you're
gonna look back at what b way you is bringing
in in twenty twenty six, and you're gonna that's when
it started. That's when b where you start to reach
this next tier. I am so high on this recruiting class.
And you know who knows it better than anyone, or
as well as any was the University of Utah.
Speaker 1: They want to get those guys.
Speaker 5: Kaweakana goes to the University of Utah ten times out
of every ten times over the last ten years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, he goes to the University.
Speaker 5: I guess who arepened in first University of Utah before
you've been played. He went to Bayu. Utah never loses
those guys. They're losing them now. I guarantee you that
was that was That was a big shift. So if
you're a Utah band man, you've got to be proud
of your institution and your program. They're putting out all
the stops, they're being creative and prompts to the University
of Utah. I don't like giving you the University of
Utah props, but if this fails, rip a dozen. This
is a very necessary move. Utah had to do this
because it is slipping away and is slipping away past.
You look at this next year Utah. Their whole team
was that offensive line. The entire team, skip us, no quarterbacks,
stop it.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 5: You're giving a gash your age everywhere. You lose every
single one of them. You does in crisis. I'm telling you,
they know this. They need to sign guys now. They
need to go fast or it's gonna slip away. And
it's gonna slip away really fast. They still think they're
getting into that Big ten conference come twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: They're trying to position themselves.
Speaker 5: They got the position, so problems with the University of
Utah were putting out all the stops because this was
a very very necessary move and I think it's ultimately
gonna work.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 3: Brent.
Speaker 4: Always bring the hammer before we get out of this segment.
Any thoughts, any commentary, anything that's that you wanted to
chie in on here.
Speaker 9: I don't have anything concrete, but I again, you're a
man who appreciates a good conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I do wonder, Oh here we go. I do wonder
two things. Yes, A is that why everyone donors? Everybody
in BYU was so rushed last week to get this
Kalanie Sataki and il budget increased, all the coaches increased
because maybe they knew that this was coming down the line.
Speaker 1: And furthermore, I've heard him.
Speaker 3: Because again this is not new.
Speaker 9: People don't realize like I hadn't heard this, but there
are people who knew that this was coming.
Speaker 3: So my second thing is Kyle Whittingham.
Speaker 9: We were told had to submit written assignment that he
was either staying or leaving as of I think it
was last Saturday. Now he could have submitted it and
we don't know, but I think a lot of people
thought he was going to retire.
Speaker 3: Did they lure.
Speaker 9: Him out of going into retirement by telling him, Hey,
five hundred million is coming down the line, and you're
gonna be able to buy any everything whatever you want.
Speaker 3: We will get you that money.
Speaker 9: I wonder who knew about this and how decisions were
made the last couple of weeks ahead of this decision.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a conspiracy theory. I think that's
probably spot off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's probably some competitive U you know,
can good job little conspiracy theory that it doesn't seem
so conspiratorial. Like I think that's that's probably valid. Probably
valid man, and look like I think the thing that
that makes me I'm I'm a very I think I'm
a very positive person. I'm a pragmatic person as well.
I think the thing that's saddening to me is like
BYU won from nineteen seventy two to present day, Okay,
by spending less than anybody else in college football, They've
won more per dollar spent than any athletic department, any
football program in the country. Do you guys realize that, Like,
and anyone that tries to contradict you on that, they
tries to, you know, retort Lavelle Edwards in two thousand
after taking his team to a Natty, you know, creating
Heisman Trophy wonders joke walker Ward.
Speaker 3: I mean, eventually there's a dope. The next year, Luke Staley, like.
Speaker 4: They were averaging I think it was eight nine wins
a season, okay, and they were only paying level okay,
two hundred thousand dollars a year. Like he's probably one
of the lowest paid coaches in college football at that time.
Speaker 3: Only recently have we seen an influx.
Speaker 4: And it's only because what why Well, because it's now
it's fair to pay players and have more resources, and
you find you finally got TV some more TV money, right,
and they're more profitable now than ever as an athletic department.
But we didn't get to be a part of the
cheating like bagman culture that was a part of the
SEC because I think we had plenty of money within
the church, within within the sponsors and corporate sponsorship likes
have Mormons and Latter day Saints, those that love BYO,
they always had funds to support. Yeah, if it had
been proper, if it would have been legal, right then
we probably would have went bit one more than one.
Speaker 3: Natty.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you like I'm telling you right now, like
had this been institute, this landscape in the eighties, game over, Bro,
you know what's crazy I've been doing due diligence. Notre
Dame is out of the college football playoff. They love
their independence. Do you know what drove them to become independent?
Speaker 3: Do you guys know?
Speaker 4: It was anti Catholicism around the universities everywhere, So they
had to go travel everywhere around the country and build
up their brand and figure out ways of winning.
Speaker 3: They were independent.
Speaker 4: Because of all the anti Catholic universities around them. No
one would play them, no one would would associate with them.
It's pretty crazy the story. I just I didn't know this.
You guys didn't know this.
Speaker 3: Now I'm like, I was like, oh my gosh, this
is valid.
Speaker 4: I was doing a little independent study this morning in
the early Madrugada, as they say in Spanish, and I
was like, this is crazy. I'm like, so I understand
why they're like so hell bent also on staying independent,
because they've always felt like any uh, demoralized religious people
that has been criticized and that has been persecuted in
some way, you know, has been attacked Jews, Catholics, Mormons,
like we're like, hey, now now we're part of the club. Now,
like we want to be a part of the club.
We don't want to be we don't want to be outcasting.
We're big twelve all the way. We don't forget this independence,
but we don't have the cachet that Notre Dame has
and the power and pomp and circumstances around all the
resources either.
Speaker 3: But I found it interesting that that that that.
Speaker 4: Notre Dame was kind of forced into independence because of
anti Catholicism.
Speaker 3: There was an anti Catholicism movement.
Speaker 4: There wasn't JFK Like remember when he became like it
was like, no, we can't have a Catholic big thing.
Speaker 3: It was huge.
Speaker 4: I mean you wonder too, is that why he was
one of the many reasons why he was he was murdered, assassinated. Anyway,
I'm going off, I'm going off on stuff here, But
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Speaker 3: Today. You know a couple of.
Speaker 4: Things here uh as we delve into our question and
pull the day.
Speaker 3: Look, you know, I went off on a bit of
a of.
Speaker 4: A diet tribe about not only private equity, but also
uh you know the cheating bag men of the SEC.
Five teams are in the College Football Playoff from the SEC, Like,
are those teams the best teams in college football?
Speaker 1: Is the question?
Speaker 3: Do they deserve to be there? Three from the Big Ten?
Speaker 1: Well, there's two that.
Speaker 5: I can guarantee you will do nothing and that's Alabama
and Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: Yeah nothing, Well, I mean they go against each other.
It's a rematch.
Speaker 1: That's probably good.
Speaker 3: That's that's why they did it. That's why they did it.
Speaker 4: They seed it in such a way that you don't
look silly against other conferences, that.
Speaker 3: It's all strategic.
Speaker 4: Guys like like Hunter, Yurchik is just a mouthpiece for
someone that's much much smarter, like typically and you guys
know this, like look typically okay in in the former uh,
in the former traditional media world. Okay, give me your
thoughts on this, Like the the powers that be put
the dummy in front of the microphone and the camera
and like, hey, to speak to the teleprompt.
Speaker 3: It's a teleprint.
Speaker 4: This is what you're gonna say. We're in a new
world now where you have a lot of people in
the media, right. You know that's why Elon was trying
to say free speech, because, uh, you had this massive
traditional media world that was just reading the teleprompter everywhere, right,
and you were being incentivized to read the teleprompter and
Rotten g Man's gurney g Man's nodding his head in
a cord Hunter your check is just a dummy with
the mic in front of him being told what to say,
because you can you can tell he has no free
thought of his own. Yeah, Like there's like it's it's blatant. Yeah,
Like yeah, he's like, well do this six seven thing.
It's not even his joke. It was someone that's much
smarter than him that was like, hey, let me give
you something and maybe it'll build rapport.
Speaker 3: Right, Like there, he's dumber than a bag of bricks.
Speaker 4: Who knows, a lot of people get raised into problem
and it's not because of their competency, but because of
their stupidity, and they'll do what others want them to do.
The puppeteering of politics, the puppeteering of even corporate America,
sometimes so in this particular, and especially in certain high
academic institutions, right high academic anyway, What I'm getting at
here is this situation is unprecedented in the college football landscape,
and Utah credit to them is figuring out a way
to advance competitive right that comparison culture. Right now, they've
lost three in a row to BYU. There's speaking of
conspiracy theories. BYU lost there their starting quarterback, Ta Shore.
I had plenty of conspiracy theories coming at me when
that thing all went down the law firm that's associated
with with with the Jane Doe and where Jane Doe
attended school, and you know how this all went down.
Conspiracy theories, right, they're unsubstantiated, but you wonder how this
all went down. Jake, Congratulations he's going to the cos
football playoff with Tulane. BYU is not they're going to
the Pop Tarts ball It is what it is. But
congratulations to Utah for engaging in an aggressive manner. How
does this impact do you think BYU Athletics gmat.
Speaker 5: I think it could be a positive because b WA
responds b Way, He's in it.
Speaker 1: That's what b Way. He's proven in the recent weeks.
Speaker 5: And to Brett's point that they knew something was coming down,
they had to make a response.
Speaker 1: They know all this.
Speaker 5: I like Bwayu's autonomy, it's ability, and its donors, and
I think BWA can be very creative so.
Speaker 1: Far as the Board of Trustees approves.
Speaker 5: But I think it's ultimately gonna be good for both
the University of U and for BWAU because I think
b Way's in it.
Speaker 1: They want to win.
Speaker 5: They have some very aggressive guys that believe in the
nature of the program and all that. If utah is
can respond in this way Bwe's can respond back, I
think it's gonna be great. I mean, the side effect
is almost bway fans of what Utah to fail it
felt spectacularly.
Speaker 1: Probably not gonna happen.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of interest there, but I think in
the long run, it's gonna boo your own program. But
I still like Bwau's autonomy. I like it it's structure.
I like its donor base a lot better than Utah's.
And I think ultimately that's probably gonna win out. But
if if it's really as dirty as we think it
is and they're willing to take substantial losses on the
backs of the Utah.
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We're back though, getting into our question and poll of
the day. G Man, you were discussing the impact that
private equity up on the hill in Salt Lake City
at the University of Utah has on Brigham Young University.
Speaker 5: What raises the stakes Utah is going to benefit off
of this. I don't think there's any question about that.
Short term, for certain it will. I like b way
U's ability to respond though. There's a lot of autonomy,
and it's proven that a lot of people are gonna
step forward because.
Speaker 1: They're in it.
Speaker 5: And when these guys are in it, they don't just
retreat and yeah, okay, I'll play it.
Speaker 1: Whatever. They're gonna keep coming. That's what I believe be
what he's gonna do.
Speaker 5: That's why you like Brian Santiago as athletic director first
of all, because why is the athletic director Because he's
really good with the donor base and really good at
raising money and getting these guys to respond. You me,
Brian Santiago was just gonna sit back, Oh wow, wow,
good well play to Utah. No, They're gonna keep coming.
And I like Bay's ability to respond. There's a lot
of people that are very What was interesting is after
Klone's press conference where he did the deal, I talked
to a lot of important people and the number one
thing in their minds was and they told stories and
antidotes about how BYU is being able.
Speaker 1: To spread its message so much more effectively.
Speaker 5: Now talking about stories about touching non members whatever, that's
the that's the aspect of BAU football, and giving money
is going to help that. And these guys are all
in So I like Bay's ability to respond.
Speaker 1: I mean, the caveat with this is you just gonna
get better. No one wants to that.
Speaker 5: If you're BYU, he want that program to fail. But
by virtue of that, I hate to say, because it
sounds so pollyanish, the programs still make each one another better.
Good you tell us, not a bad thing for b
YU a competitive product to push BYU.
Speaker 1: In that regard, So so I like it in that way.
Speaker 4: G Man by my side, Brett always bringing the hammer.
Look this, Uh, what what will BYU athletics do?
Speaker 3: They've already done it right? What are they doing right now?
Speaker 1: They're uh?
Speaker 4: The The thing is that we have to continually bifurcated
and continually separate. The donors are the one booing up
BA athletics. Corporate sponsorships are booing up BOA Athletics. The
Church of Jesus Christ, the latter states is not using
ties and offerings and their own funds to pay Kilane
or pay.
Speaker 3: J Hill, or pay anybody else.
Speaker 4: Does everyone realize that I have to continually have this conversation.
Speaker 1: Hey, you've explained this for twelve years.
Speaker 4: Now I have to explain it to BYU fans. I
have to explain it like like, oh, I'm just concerned.
We just spent nine and a half million dollars. The
church is spending nine a half million dollars you know
in Kloni'm.
Speaker 3: Like no, they didn't, No, they didn't.
Speaker 4: Brian Santiago went to Crumble, went to uh future costs,
went to you know, just name all who knows all
the different corporate sponsors right now, just look at all
the sponsors, Domo, whoever it is, and said, hey, we
got to pay our coat, we got to pay our coaches,
and we have to pay for nil. Do you guys
want to win? And are you doing it the right way?
The only thing that the churches US Christ the Letter
Saints can do is anything that is shared building wise,
infrastructure wise. Meaning if Lavelle Edwards Stadium is not owned
by the Athletic Department, the IPF is not owned by
the Athletic Department, as much as I want it to be, it's.
Speaker 3: Not owned by it. Any building the sa B is not.
Speaker 4: Owned by the Athletic Department, the only thing that the
Church Uscritional Letter Saints can do is upgrade buildings that
the athletic department can also participate in.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: I never thought about that.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: That's the only thing the church can do, the only
thing that they're willing to do until they'll they'll let
you play in your sandbox athletics, as long as it's
self sustaining. Once again, what you kill, So I will
continue to reiterate this.
Speaker 3: This is a hobby for.
Speaker 4: Sponsors, donors that love BYU athletics and think it's an
ambassadorial tool.
Speaker 3: They some of them just want to win.
Speaker 4: They don't care if it's an ambassadorial tool or a
tool for good. But foundationally, you have to have it
as a ambassadatorial tool. Otherwise the Brethren could eventually just
say sorry, you don't get to play in your sandbox anymore.
Speaker 3: You're grounded, get back in the house. Does that make sense?
So that's the only thing they can do. They can
continue to.
Speaker 4: Say, hey, you're doing it and realize if you're Utah
and you hate what BYU is doing and how they're
winning and operating, right because they're self sustaining. The thing
that you want more than anything is for the church
to look bad because of BYU Athletics. You want controversy,
you want to you want poor public relations, not meeting
the standard. See I told you they can't meet the
standard that they've set. Honor code, violation, partying, hedonism, debauchery, debauchery, liciviousness.
That's what UTAH wants more than anything, because if BYU
Athletics goes away, they have no other competition. They own
the state. So I mean that's what they want. Does
that make sense? Like if I come out a full
circle here, I'll.
Speaker 1: Tell you one thing.
Speaker 5: I can guarantee you there are going to be offers
to b what you players from up on the hill.
Oh yeah you Oh my goodness, Alatyl saw Tolly probably
target number one. There's a man they're common booed up by.
They're still so angry about the Kanatanovasa defection. They are angry.
They are salty. Now they have the cash, it's time
to get back. Yep, it's that very thing. Bear down
the hatches, man, they're coming. They're coming with a boatload
of cash.
Speaker 3: Well it's going to be what about what about Jay Hill?
What about? What I mean?
Speaker 4: Anybody that they want from a coaching standpoint, that they
want to and they want to inflict the maximum harm
of b Y on b YU. It's gonna they're gonna
go with that. Coaches, they're gonna go get them five
hundred million dollars. That's not just for players, that's for coaches.
That's for coaches. I told you everything we do in life,
from a natural man's standpoint, is based off of competitive Okay,
competitive enmity culture, competitive comparison culture between you and your neighbor,
and rivalries.
Speaker 3: Rule the world.
Speaker 4: Rivalry rules college athletics. Bread always bringing the hammer.
Speaker 9: So again, I'm no private equi expert. How how could
this backfire? Because that's what I keep seeing online is Oh,
if this falls through, who's gonna be on the hook
for this? What would actually have to happen for something
to quote unquote backfire?
Speaker 3: What would that look like?
Speaker 4: Well, you because you're not profitable, right, you're running in
the red, You're you're you're failing, you're going bankrupt, and
who's going to subsidize the failure?
Speaker 3: Like you look at.
Speaker 4: The the two thousand and eight housing crisis market crash,
who bailed out Big, Big, firms right that were neck
deep in this.
Speaker 3: It was the government. It was the government.
Speaker 4: Yep, it was tax payer dollars. You're four to one
k too big defail. It's the same thing with the
car industry who bailed out the car industry the government.
Too big defail. From a local standpoint, if they do fail,
they become less than profitable and they're you know, they
all run in the red anyway. But like you know,
that's where it's like, well, private equity has to be profitable, right,
They're gonna figure out a way to be profitable.
Speaker 3: They're gonna engage, and they're gonna be profitable.
Speaker 4: So but if they were to fail, not become profitable, profitable,
and they go bankrupt and they're they're there, they they would.
Speaker 3: Fall back on well, it's too big to fail.
Speaker 4: We can't have our flagship institutional athletic department that bears
our brand, the University of Utah, fail. No, we need
we need to raise taxes. A lot of a lot
of people are moving here. We can't have so many
people move here. We just want them to come in
and and ski on our snow. Does that make sense?
We want people to visit. We don't want you to stay.
And if you do stay, you're gonna get really really
high property taxes, You're gonna get really really high income taxes,
You're gonna get really really really high taxation everywhere because
all they live to win. I know these people, it's
the same reason why. Like you know, it's like I
remember Bronco Menhaff They're having like the four seasons of
like double digit wins, and like, like he was pretty
open about this. He like went to like this like
coaches like forum of coaches that had won a lot
of football games, but they felt empty, like what's now,
what's the's next? You know, and it's like and then
you try to find your why. But for many people,
they don't get to that. The highest people like the
Urbans that are willing to like win it all costs.
I mean, you can't tell me Florida wasn't cheating their
way to a national championship. They weren't paying Tim Tebow.
Tim Tebow did it out of the you know, out
of the out of the you know, out of christ
like desire to be his best self.
Speaker 3: But in a lot of other people are getting paid
to be at Florida.
Speaker 4: You know what, I mean though, like people want to
win and they want to bet the entity that they
have most enmity between them telling you that it's crazy, bro,
it's it's uh a strategic aggressive move, no doubt, no
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