WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:11.000 What's happening? Billy crapping in Welcome back to the fire 2 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:13.480 Escape Cast. It is episode one hundred and twenty one. 3 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:16.039 I think something like that is sixty five degrees fahrenheit 4 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:17.160 in Tallahassee, Florida. 5 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:19.000 Thank you so much for coming back to the show. 6 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:21.239 Dan Riker, here is always. 7 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:23.679 Good night there. I don't know what does Florida get. 8 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:25.760 Florida get is probably warm. Well, why do you have 9 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:28.519 Tallahassee's weather up on your phone right now? 10 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:31.679 Because I'm a professional host who calls out the weather 11 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:32.439 at the beginning? 12 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:35.000 What do you mean, why do I have it you? 13 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:40.640 He knows this is like when pulls a rabbit out 14 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:41.799 of his hat and then you're like, why do you 15 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:42.640 have a rabbit in your hands? 16 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:44.560 Because I just did it. 17 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:46.359 It makes sense when John Mlaney does it on his 18 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:48.159 Netflix show because it's live and he's proving it. 19 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:49.840 This isn't gonna go up for like a week. It 20 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:51.359 doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. 21 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:53.280 He's also giving the weather in the city that the 22 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:54.679 show shot in exactly. 23 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:56.840 None of this makes sense, Mike, this is a terrible opening. 24 00:00:57.439 --> 00:00:58.520 And my name's not Billy. 25 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:01.399 I've been loving it. Dan right here is always Hello. 26 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:04.120 How are you doing? I'm from being irate. 27 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:07.959 No, I'm I'm in a great mood. 28 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:08.959 Good good to hear. 29 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:13.640 I'm excited about some some some decor changes happening to 30 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:15.799 your house. I'm sure you'll announce it sometime in the future, 31 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:17.200 but you gave us a little sneak peek. 32 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:19.079 You'll probably just see it in the background of everything 33 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:20.280 goes the way I'm hoping it does. 34 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:22.799 I can't wait for that. Mary Kish, What have you 35 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:23.200 been up to? 36 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:26.680 I've also been making upgrades to my house. I bought 37 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:32.480 a CRT with a VHS. In the CRT nice to 38 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:33.719 my kitchen. 39 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:37.799 The good stuff, okay, hook up a content. 40 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:38.760 And I bought Home Alone. 41 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.079 Oh wait, seriously, in Home Alone he has they have 42 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:44.319 that kind of TV on their counter in the kitchen 43 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:46.719 when he's like that's how he does the dirty the 44 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:47.840 filthy animal line. 45 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:52.000 Home Alone sception. So the goal is not game console, 46 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:54.120 which is cool and obviously I could utilize it. I 47 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:56.040 have a Sega Genesis. It would be cool to be 48 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:59.120 able to play Sonic spin Ball in my kitchen. But 49 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:03.480 the tist of this was I was like, how nice 50 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:06.400 would it be to watch, you know, movies that I 51 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.360 love watching on Christmas while and making Christmas dinner, et cetera. 52 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:13.719 So I was not a state sailing. It was like 53 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:18.560 just resale shopping at different, you know, vintage shops. And 54 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:25.879 I saw a thirteen inch CRT in fully good working condition, pristine, 55 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:28.879 with a VHS in it, and I thought to myself, 56 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.599 if I get this right now, I could also go 57 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:34.159 shopping for all the VHS's that I loved watching as 58 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:38.479 a kid. I could install it in my kitchen today 59 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:42.360 and I was watching The Lion King while I was 60 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:46.039 making dinner this evening. It has been god tear. 61 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:49.240 That is, it's the right size for like a countertop 62 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:50.680 or where you could go nuts and you could do 63 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:52.759 the thing where you like mounted to the underside of 64 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:55.319 the like the cup cabinet or something. But a big 65 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:58.560 as CRT. I feel like that's probably been thirty even thirteen. 66 00:02:58.560 --> 00:02:59.879 It's probably a bit too heavy for that. 67 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.599 It's on my Instagram story right now, Like I'm like 68 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:04.680 really excited with the way it came out because it's 69 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:08.599 just under my cabinets and so while I'm like chopping vegetables, 70 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.800 I can watch I could watch a cartoon. Oh I 71 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:16.680 put I bought Garfield Garfield Christmas, Like, I just bought 72 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:18.479 like things that I like to watch as a kid 73 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:21.719 and a bat these vhs is it's really fun too 74 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:23.680 to also learn like the range of how much should it? 75 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:27.280 How much do you think Aladdin on VHS costs? Honestly 76 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:27.599 tell me? 77 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:29.800 Well, I mean, like on a resale thing, like I 78 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:33.039 usually just see lots of VHS things where it's like 79 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:35.159 two dollars a tape, come grab however money you want, 80 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:36.159 so I I. 81 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:38.360 Would say two to five dollars. Are we doing closest 82 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:39.800 without going over estimate? 83 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:43.680 Yeah, I'll do prices right, Rolls Disney did that stupid. 84 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:45.879 Vault thing, right, Yeah, Dan you can you could take 85 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:46.240 a second. 86 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:49.159 Guess Disney's are more I'm not going to say they're 87 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:51.479 more difficult. I'm just saying they're more coveted. Like if 88 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:52.319 you're the. 89 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.240 Big stupid uh the plastic like there's to. 90 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:59.039 Be has the big plastic case seven. 91 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:03.919 Bucks, yeah, twenty nine dollars. 92 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:07.360 So most of these I was able to acquire between 93 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:14.280 five and eight dollars. Lion King was seven dollars. If 94 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:16.560 you go to certain resalers, I was finding them for 95 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:20.839 twenty five dollars. To which I was like yet dreaming. 96 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:25.120 But every person has their own selling price, and the 97 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:28.040 rarer it is, the higher it goes. But I bought 98 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:33.480 like twenty vhs is today for like four or five bucks, 99 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:35.800 some of them seven or eight dollars. I think the 100 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:40.839 more expensive ones were going to for ten dollars. But anyway, 101 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:44.160 I bought probably one hundred dollars worth of classic movies 102 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:46.680 and a CRT and started watching them in my kitchen. 103 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:49.839 I mean Facebook marketplace you just heard for like VHS 104 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:52.879 tapes like that is a gold mine for that because 105 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:54.839 that's just something that everyone's getting rid of. No one 106 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:57.360 has CRTs anymore, so if you've got one, you can 107 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.279 just get I've got a ton in the clause that 108 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:01.000 I bought recently, like two bucks of tape. 109 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:01.480 It's great. 110 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.199 You have a Do you have a VHS player like 111 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:04.639 a tap? 112 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:08.399 It's behind this or underneath they here at the area. 113 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.079 Yeah, you're ready to go. I love having it in 114 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.319 the TV. It's so nice that it's like ready to 115 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:15.879 go in the same system. 116 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.399 So are you pan and scan or your letterbox? 117 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:21.959 The what? Well? 118 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:25.040 So with movies and four by three, you know you're 119 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:27.319 doing letters that they would sell two versions for big 120 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.480 movies where it's like the letterboxed one or the one 121 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:33.439 where they like had to like bastardize it after the fact. 122 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:35.120 And like this is why sixteen by nine was so 123 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:37.319 good for wide screen TVs because like movies, you don't 124 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:39.160 have to like sacrifice either way. 125 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:42.079 You know, I think everything's four by three. 126 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:44.959 Because okay, so that's pan and scan, so they had 127 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:46.879 to like go in after the fact. So I would 128 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:48.480 take forever after a movie came out in the theaters 129 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:49.959 because they would have to pan and scan it and 130 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:51.680 go in there be like, you don't need to see 131 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:53.839 this thirty percent of the screen over here, just we'll 132 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:55.480 cut that out. And well, but we do, we'll pan 133 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:57.600 over here for this part. And yeah, I hate that. 134 00:05:57.680 --> 00:05:59.279 I don't need any of that stuff. 135 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:00.879 Yeah, you're watching Disney. 136 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:01.920 They don't care about composition. 137 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:04.839 You need two thirds of the screen at any given time. 138 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:07.399 As long as I can see the genie do his 139 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:09.360 funny faces, I'm good. 140 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:13.000 Did you did the TV have the remote still or 141 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:15.720 is it like controls on under the slot. 142 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:19.279 The buttons are on the unit. Yeah, everything's on. It's 143 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:23.480 like one chunky unit four x three with the buttons 144 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:25.879 and everything, and it's really nice that the VHS works 145 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:28.319 because a lot I have seen We've all seen like 146 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:31.279 CRTs at different like sales and stuff like that, but 147 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:33.120 a lot of times pieces are broken or they don't 148 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:35.639 work put perfectly working condition. 149 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.560 And I've bought old VCRs that like they will just 150 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:40.399 have problems with the heads. So it's like there's like 151 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:42.560 a thirty percent chance that any tape you put in 152 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:44.560 there is just going to get chewed up. So it'd 153 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:46.240 be like terrifying because like I was trying to like 154 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:48.319 I have all these old VHS tapes. 155 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:49.680 That I made when I was doing videos in high 156 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:50.319 school and stuff. 157 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:52.079 Yeah, the ones you recorded yourself. 158 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:54.600 One It's not like I have copies or whatever. 159 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:56.199 It's like I'd like to see what this is and 160 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:58.279 it just comes out and say, well, shit, okay, I 161 00:06:58.279 --> 00:06:59.120 guess that's gone forever. 162 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.959 That would be awful because I'm sure all those videos 163 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:06.120 are amazing that you made so good. 164 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:11.759 Yeah, yeah, definitely not something embarrassed. Actually, there is a 165 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.000 time in my life where I was like I took 166 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.480 my first video production course in high school and I 167 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.879 remember like, obviously we were trying to do fake public 168 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:26.360 service announcements and they were so embarrassing and we were 169 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.800 making silly jokes and it's just terrible, terrible stuff. And 170 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:32.480 I also had on a VHS that I sent out 171 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:35.600 as a demo reel to try and get my first job, 172 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:40.279 and I mistakenly didn't make a copy because I was like, well, 173 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:41.920 if they don't choose me, they'll just send it back. 174 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.000 Well they just didn't send it back, and they didn't 175 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:48.160 choose me, and I lost a lot of basically like 176 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:52.639 all my high school material. And then I thought to myself. 177 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:54.399 At first, I was really upset and was like, damn, 178 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:55.879 I can't believe I lost all those memories. And like 179 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:57.439 maybe like five or ten years later, I was like, 180 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:01.800 pretty glad I don't have any of those memories. 181 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:04.439 Some of that can be, yeah, rough to go back to, 182 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:06.480 especially like trying comedy and stuff when you were in 183 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:09.560 high school. I remember we had to do a PSA 184 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:12.199 once and it wasn't a parody one. It wasn't a satire. 185 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:14.519 It's like it was a PSA contest and it's supposed 186 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:15.759 to be about like, oh, you know, I have a 187 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:18.240 good message or whatever, and they submitted it to a 188 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:20.439 film festival and I won, and like I won like 189 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.519 money and a certificate and stuff, but I think I've 190 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:23.839 got it somewhere and I watched it like in the 191 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:24.639 last few years. 192 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:26.240 It's just complete horseshit. 193 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:28.759 It's like I filmed, I did some like stupid film 194 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:31.279 grain thing, and I went to a cemetery and I 195 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:34.080 just filmed a bunch of like crazy shots of graves 196 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:36.399 and then I shot, like you know this kid, And 197 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:38.480 I didn't know what drinking was when I was like 198 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:40.519 sixteen or seventeen, Like I knew what it was, but 199 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:43.320 I didn't party, and so I assumed it's like, well, 200 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:45.200 I need to shoot what looks like a tea, high 201 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:47.440 school or drinking. And so we took a wooden chair 202 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:49.600 and went to my friend's basement that was just dank 203 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:52.600 and concrete and had him just slumped over table, take 204 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:54.799 a shot after shot by himself and just like a 205 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:58.559 concrete basement and I'm playing the rolling stones painted black 206 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:02.440 over it. And then it's like taking twenty shots and 207 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:04.840 what is the message alcohol? 208 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:07.120 Yeah, he's like driving. The last shot. 209 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:09.159 The last shot is him like his head hitting the 210 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:10.799 steering wheel or something, and I cut to. 211 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:13.240 Some staff that I just clearly made up. 212 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.600 That was like teams who drink there's a one in 213 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:18.759 three chance that they'll die behind the wheel. 214 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:22.240 Or yeah, and it won. 215 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:23.759 It won the fucking award. 216 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:26.879 I got like a certificate for The more I hear 217 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:29.519 about your childhood, the more I'm glad we met when 218 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:29.919 we did. 219 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:31.519 I don't think I would have been friends with you. 220 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:33.879 I think we would have. I think we would have 221 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:35.399 been we were in a similar way. 222 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.799 No, No, that was that, Mary, I remember it was. 223 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:40.919 It was like thirty episodes ago. We were talking about it. 224 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:45.120 You told me, Yeah, I was wheeling and dealing. But 225 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.480 I also did a lot of PSAs that were embarrassing. 226 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:51.320 I remember one. In high school. We did a lot 227 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:53.159 of times. We would just pick a school rule and 228 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:55.919 be like, don't do this because it's against the rules, 229 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:59.120 and one of them was you're not allowed to street 230 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:02.639 race in the parking lot. So of course we were like, 231 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:06.559 let's let's make a street race video. So we made 232 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:09.240 a video and it's just like I think I'm the 233 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:14.639 person who drops the flag, and it's like, go, just 234 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:19.039 so embarrassing. I'm also like, I'm such an idiot in 235 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:21.080 this because I think I look a lot cooler than 236 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:24.600 I do. And I'm dropping this flag like I'm so hot, 237 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:28.120 and these cars are we get like close up to 238 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.320 the tires being like like jetting, and at the very 239 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:34.000 end it just goes, got to this Sixth Street race, 240 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:35.960 which isn't sick at all of it. After it it goes, 241 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:44.519 don't race your car. It's really actually a psa about 242 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:45.960 cool racing your car. 243 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.519 It seems sweet not. 244 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:51.759 I was in the company of such like public works officionados. 245 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:53.960 Oh yeah, I made We had a video. 246 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:56.639 It wasn't even on VHS, was on a remember the 247 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:02.360 flip cameras where you USB would come out. We were 248 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:08.120 filming one where this scene was basically like I forget 249 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.440 what the entire short film was about, but it was 250 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:12.440 a comedy, and I'm I don't know where it is, 251 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:14.240 and I'm glad that's the case, because it probably isn't 252 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:16.600 fun anymore. But I remember the funny one of the 253 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:19.039 funniest things I've ever seen. My friend, I'll just say 254 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:22.200 his first name, Tyler. He was supposed to be doing 255 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.519 donuts in a parking lot, but he had never done 256 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:27.279 them before, so he was doing a donut and I 257 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:29.519 think the idea was that he was taunting a cop 258 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.840 in the in the scene, and so we're in the 259 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:36.960 parking lot of my high school and he starts like, 260 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:38.919 you know, like he's peeling out, and then he finally 261 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:41.519 he completes like one half of a donut in the 262 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:43.559 back of his cars, and he like spun out of 263 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:47.840 control and he slammed into the concrete base of the parking. 264 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:48.559 Lot light fiction. 265 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:51.840 Yeah, so I just had this like thirty second video 266 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:54.360 on my flip of my friend and I would show 267 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:57.159 all my friends and I never deleted it. I'm sure 268 00:11:57.159 --> 00:11:58.960 if I found the flip camera still in there, but 269 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:04.039 it's just learned this grand Pontiac Grand Prix, I think 270 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:06.000 it was a silver one, and he just does half 271 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:07.759 a donut and smashes into a light pole. 272 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.039 He was completely fine, I should say, but his car 273 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:11.279 was wrecked. 274 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.840 Yeah, that was probably the funniest thing I had. But yeah, 275 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:17.679 I also do want to before I forget through some 276 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:19.879 housekeeping up front because of toward the end of the 277 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:23.639 year and we are I believe the next episode is 278 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:26.080 gonna be Game of the Year. If you're listening now, 279 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:30.200 uh crazy, Yeah, December sixth is our live Game of 280 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.960 the Year stream will all be at Dan's place in 281 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:37.919 Minneapolis seven pm Central on Twitch dot tv slash Dan 282 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:40.799 Riker something like that. We'll we'll put specifics up on 283 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:46.559 instagramatky yeah, exact time, but yeah, so all four of us, 284 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:49.519 including our producer Jake, we will be there doing the 285 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:51.200 thing we've done the last few years in a row. 286 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:54.679 It'll be super fun. We will be putting out the 287 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:56.879 audio versions of the episode I think as a two 288 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:01.159 parter in the Monday's following the live show. 289 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:02.120 That's the time of plan. 290 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:04.639 So I'm looking at the calendar now, so if you're 291 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.799 listening to this, actually you're listening to this on the second, 292 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:10.720 on Tuesday the second. Apologies for the delay, but as 293 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:13.320 you will see, we are talking about well it's Matt tried, 294 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:15.240 I can say now becausef we're hearing it embargoes up. 295 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:17.279 I figured it was worth delaying a day for the 296 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:19.840 last huge game of the year. So you were listening 297 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:23.559 to this on December second or later. December sixth will 298 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:26.559 be the stream, as Mike said, and then part one, 299 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:28.679 so we'll basically cut it in half, you know, based 300 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:31.120 on categories or time or whatever. We'll go up on 301 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:33.840 December eighth, which that's just gonna be like a bonus 302 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:35.559 episode because that would not have been a normal posting 303 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:37.679 week anyway. So you're going to get some back to 304 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:40.679 back to back episodes this month, and then the second 305 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:44.679 half will be in that normally scheduled December fifteenth slot. 306 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:47.519 So the next couple weeks we're listening on audio but 307 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:51.960 live live live December sixth on. We're doing it on 308 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:54.559 twitch dot tv slash Dan rekerd, which will quickly be 309 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:57.799 turned around and put on fire Escapes YouTube soon after that, 310 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:00.000 as soon as Jake can get that. Obviously Big five 311 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.559 also give it a few days, but yeah, it'll be 312 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:03.279 all over the place. 313 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:06.960 Yeah, so make sure you're following firescape cast on YouTube 314 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:08.399 if you want to see the video versions of that, 315 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:11.600 and also if you're not a patron, you can get 316 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:16.200 audio ad free episodes and video versions. And literally right 317 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:18.759 after this recording, we're gonna do an arc rader's bonus video. 318 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:21.000 All three of us have not played the game together 319 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:23.279 yet and we've been wanted to do more bonus videos 320 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:25.919 whenever we get the chance, and yeah, so this should 321 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:30.120 be fun. So that'll go up I believe this coming week, 322 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:32.480 early this week Monday, I'm talking to you guys right 323 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:34.360 now recording wise that it'll it'll be up in our 324 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:37.600 off week. So if you're not a patron, you'll go 325 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:39.679 go do that, go become one, and then if you are, 326 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:42.919 you'll be notified when that goes up. But anyway, yeah, 327 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:47.600 I'm I haven't. I don't have a VCR here. I 328 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:50.000 do have some old stuff, like I I found a box, 329 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:50.720 Like I don't have my. 330 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:52.720 Nintendo. 331 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:54.240 Oh my god, I'm so I don't have my we 332 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:56.759 hooked up, so I had to. I do have like 333 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.360 a smaller TV. Yeah, I do have my smaller monitor 334 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:04.000 with the ox ports. 335 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:04.840 I almost said. 336 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:08.480 Ox holes because I did want to hook up my 337 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:09.679 Wii for a couple of things. 338 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:12.559 You're going to retro tink. Retro tink will fix any 339 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:16.879 problems you have that just go ox Uh. The retro 340 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:18.639 tankers is the thing where you can plug in any 341 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:21.440 kind of input from like you know, uh, the just 342 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:24.799 red white, yellow to the component and everything, and then 343 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:27.559 that just HDMI is out eliminates the input lag things 344 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:27.759 like that. 345 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:28.919 You can add scan lines and all that. 346 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.639 It's just the best way to play retro consoles on 347 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:32.240 a modern TV. 348 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:35.519 Basically, Okay, I'm gonna undue for a new TV like 349 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:37.679 Black Friday thing coming soon anyway. 350 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:39.399 Wait no, no, if you want a TV, wait for 351 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:42.840 the super Bowl super Bowl. They're cheaper super Bowl for TV. 352 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:44.559 That's when I got the hundred inch for like super 353 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:47.759 duper cheap. You want to go super Bowl for TVs, well, 354 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:49.960 I mean there will be deals on Black Friday, but 355 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.919 like super Bowl is the TV sale here. 356 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.600 It's important to recognize like it depends on what your 357 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:59.840 goal is as well, because a lot of times TV 358 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.519 companies will plan to put out their old models right 359 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.120 during Black Friday and then release new models. And so 360 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:09.000 if your intention is to get a TV that is 361 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:13.039 going to be future pos future yeah, which yeah, future 362 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:15.360 proof and like functional for the next like five to 363 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:19.159 ten years, you should just buy a brand new model. 364 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:22.559 If you buy one on Black Friday, you're probably buying 365 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:24.960 an older model or one right before they shift models. 366 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:28.240 But it's still a great way to save money, depending 367 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:30.200 on what kind of deals you get. I also think, like, 368 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.200 I'm so skeptical of Black Friday because so often they'll 369 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:35.759 just be like, it's one hundred dollars off, They're gonna 370 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:37.559 put one hundred dollars off anyway. 371 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:39.080 They just sure sure, or they inflated it in the 372 00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:40.600 month leading up to it just so they can say 373 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:42.519 they take it down and blah blah blah, I'm gonna 374 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:42.720 buy it. 375 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:44.879 Oh sorry, go ahead. 376 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.720 Oh no, I just think like all so many companies 377 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:49.639 do that now. It's like so obvious. It's like a 378 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:52.799 shrinkflation thing too, which is like they're essentially raising their 379 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:54.799 prices anyway, and then they have a deal so that 380 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:57.639 you're not mad at them for raising their prices. Does 381 00:16:57.720 --> 00:16:59.519 that make sense. They'll be like it's twenty percent off, 382 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:02.679 but it's like, you guys just raised your prices. 383 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:05.240 Yeah, I'm gonna wait for to get my Christmas tree 384 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.400 until the super Bowl to see if that See if 385 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:09.759 that saved the money, it's probably not. 386 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:10.440 A bad idea. 387 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:11.920 You saved that joke. 388 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:13.279 Yeah, it's good. 389 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:18.359 Yeah, the trees will probably all be dead by then, 390 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:20.559 unless they didn take him out of the ground. Oh 391 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:21.799 you could just do what I do. I go to 392 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:23.319 Central Park every year. I cut down a tree and 393 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:23.920 I bring it home. 394 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:26.680 It seems legal the love that. 395 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:27.960 I'm kidding. 396 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:31.559 What what would the law said? Just like there's got 397 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:34.480 to be a lot igal public. 398 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:38.759 Yeah, but it's trees, it's the land, and I might 399 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:41.799 be able to he might he might be pro tree cutting. 400 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:44.599 I should we should get him on. We could probably 401 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:48.799 Oh yeah, yeah, bring him on. That's the people. I hear. 402 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.480 He's a big balls on the snest fan ball three 403 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:53.480 D ball three D. 404 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:53.799 Yeah. 405 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:57.920 I bet he's played some games. I'm just guessing he's 406 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:01.400 he's probably younger than all. Maybe I was like, he's 407 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:04.039 thirty four. I want to say Jesus. 408 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:05.119 Christ, so accomplished. 409 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:06.200 So he was on. 410 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:09.440 He was on Twitch right before the election as well, 411 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:10.400 which was really weird. 412 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:13.039 Politics. 413 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:15.920 What's with these files everybody's talking about? No, I'm kidding. 414 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:22.680 Anything else new with the interview? Oh yeah, yeah. 415 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:25.720 It's a busy time of year, right, yeah. Game of 416 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:28.720 the year time, it's travel time, it's family time. 417 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:29.759 Yeah. 418 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:31.599 In fact, that's why we had to record a little 419 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:34.759 earlier than we usually do. It's because this is Thanksgiving 420 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:36.799 week and so we're we have family and time. My 421 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:41.400 mother is in town right now, she's downstairs watching Hi Patty. 422 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:47.960 She's Amy Amy Watch. She's watching the Great British British 423 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:51.920 Bakeoff right now over the counter. Yeah, I don't think 424 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.240 you can get the Great British Bakoff on a CRT. 425 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:56.920 She's watching that on my regular But it's so funny 426 00:18:56.960 --> 00:18:59.400 because if you go into the kitchen, Aladdin is playing 427 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:01.759 right now, nice as it should be. 428 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:03.079 That'd be a nice ambiance thing. 429 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:05.519 Just always have a VHS like playing in that TV, 430 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:06.559 even if you're not in the room. 431 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:08.799 Do you really used to have Like back in the 432 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:11.039 days of like cartridges and CDs and stuff, there are 433 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:13.799 always those things that seemed so luxurious where it's like 434 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:16.880 it'd be a switcher or like a tower of h 435 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:19.400 you can put a twelve disc changer in this, so 436 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:21.519 twelve CDs and you can swap between them all. They 437 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:23.240 had a fucking thing for the Genesis where it's like 438 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:25.279 you can put six cartridges in there, or you can 439 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:27.000 buy numerous and hook it all up so then you'd 440 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.000 have all your cartridges plugged in at all times. 441 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:32.000 And it's like, man, things just used to be Like. 442 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:35.000 I'm nostalgic for cartridges and CDs and cassettes and stuff, 443 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:36.640 but like, man, that was a pain in the ass. 444 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.200 It was a complicated time, but it was also a 445 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:41.240 rite of passage to be able to hook it up 446 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:45.000 and actually make it work. I am proud of that 447 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:47.799 era where it was like right red into the red, yellow, 448 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:49.599 into the yellow, white into the white, like you have 449 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:52.480 to have all of the different wires connected so that 450 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:56.039 all your shit worked. And I don't know, it's a 451 00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:59.920 it's a badge of honor kind of like how our parents, 452 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.920 like I had to walk uphill to work both ways, 453 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:07.200 ten ten miles and it's like I had to plug 454 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.519 in the white wire, the yellow wire and the red wire, 455 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:13.400 and if anything was wrong, nothing worked, you had your 456 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:19.000 dad car see you everything. The cartridges. My dad, Jim 457 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:19.759 Kish loves. 458 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:21.799 Right over white idiot. 459 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.400 I remember when before they started put ounce Simpsons DVDs, 460 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:28.279 obviously where DVDs were a thing, I so desperately wanted 461 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:30.720 to have all my favorite Simpsons episodes like at the ready. 462 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:32.920 All the time they would occasionally put out of like oh, 463 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:36.359 here's like the Simpsons, here's three Christmas episodes on one 464 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:38.319 BHS or whatever, but like I wanted to be able 465 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:40.119 to like watch the Lemon Tree or whatever whenever I 466 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:42.440 wanted to. So I still I have in my storage. 467 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:46.079 I've got tons of a perfectly labeled I think I 468 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:49.039 was probably twelve years old, labeling just this one's got 469 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:51.279 you know, twelve Simpsons episodes on. I would do the 470 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:53.400 extended playthings so you could actually record more of them 471 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:55.400 on there, and it's okay, this is Lemonry, this is 472 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:57.440 Mono Rail, this is like I would cut out the 473 00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:59.759 commercials and yeah, I was I would went in the 474 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:01.680 rest days I would have to like watch raw and 475 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:03.920 then record it, record Nitro and like set it to 476 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:05.480 record the right channel and all that. I was a 477 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:06.839 VCR wizard back then. 478 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:09.960 Do you ever watch those like those VHS's. 479 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:12.799 I will occasionally, like if I have people over for something, 480 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:14.119 like you know, if I have people over for like 481 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:15.759 a wrestling paper view or whatever, I'll put in one 482 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:18.240 of the old wrestling vhss I had and just have 483 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:20.440 it play on the CRT and another part of the room. 484 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:21.640 So yeah, it's kind of fun. 485 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:24.000 Or like like I'll have tapes that are just labeled 486 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:26.160 comedy and I'm like, oh, okay, what did I think 487 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:29.720 comedy was in nineteen ninety eight or whatever, And it's like, Okay, 488 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:32.319 it's just a bunch of like Letterman and Conan and 489 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:34.759 you know, daily show bits, Insomniac or whatever. 490 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:37.000 So south Park. So yeah, it's always fun. 491 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:39.000 It's like going back to an old mixtape, like an 492 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:41.039 old CD and just be like, oh, what do they 493 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:42.440 make as a mixtape in two thousand and two? 494 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:45.920 You know, an old like nostalgia shot, you know, just 495 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:49.440 to make you feel good. It's not like the most convenient, 496 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:51.759 it's just something that takes you back. 497 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:55.720 Do you guys happen to remember one, at least one 498 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:59.240 of the songs on your first ever mixtape or burn CD? 499 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:06.720 I mean I vividly yes, Uh there goes my hero 500 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:09.680 is like on one of my very first tapes that 501 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:13.559 I was like, this song is so good, Well what 502 00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:17.880 still is have to record it? Oh it's still good? Yeah, 503 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:23.279 but I like, I absolutely have the record on on 504 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:24.599 a lot of those classics. 505 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:26.359 Let me let me throw this at you and see 506 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:27.160 what your reaction is. 507 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:30.039 I remember one song, and I remember the name of 508 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:33.279 my first I wasn't around when like you could make mixtapes, 509 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:35.799 but or I wasn't old enough to be making them. 510 00:22:35.799 --> 00:22:38.160 But I remember my first Burned CD, and I had 511 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:41.119 a label and everything, and I named the CD and 512 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:44.359 one of the songs was story of a Girl I Forget, 513 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.359 and the CD was called Mike Monsters Mix. 514 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:49.400 Nice. 515 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:53.839 Yeah, probably somewhere my parents. Oh sweet, I was going 516 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:55.720 for like a nevermind thing? Is never mind the one 517 00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:57.880 with the baby in the pool? Yes, I'm going for that, 518 00:22:57.960 --> 00:22:58.680 just without the baby. 519 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:01.119 It was just a pool. Oh cool. 520 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:02.480 I don't think my parents would have been cool with 521 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:05.480 a baby on the cover underwater sure, but yeah, Mike 522 00:23:05.559 --> 00:23:07.359 Monster was my nickname for like two weeks. 523 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:11.119 Mine was I I am old enough to do mixtapes, 524 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:12.599 and I would put in an a cassette tape and I 525 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:14.920 would call the radio station and I would like, so, 526 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:16.319 I remember the first time I did this, I really 527 00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:18.519 wanted a doctor dere is nothing but a g thing? 528 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.400 And so I called into the radio station and said, 529 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.519 I want nothing but a G thing. I'm like nineteen 530 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:25.799 ninety one, I've probably like seven years old, and so 531 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:28.599 I have to sit there, buy my boom box with 532 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:30.359 a blank cassette, and I'm just waiting. 533 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:32.039 It took like four hours for. 534 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:32.480 Them to know this. 535 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:34.759 One goes out Dan requesting this ver good, nothing but 536 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:36.599 a G thing, and they hit play and record at 537 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:37.960 the same time. So that's how I would get them 538 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:40.440 all is by calling the fucking radio station. And just 539 00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:42.279 sitting by the boombox for hours. 540 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:46.160 Yeah, I remind that reminds me of like I think 541 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:49.680 the last song I remember like waiting or at least 542 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:51.359 being really psyched every time it came out of the 543 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:55.000 radio was Danny California, and I just didn't have the 544 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:59.279 money to buy Stadium Arcadium, especially because it's a two discs. Yeah, 545 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:01.880 Saturn in Mars, I believe, or Pluto in Mars. Apologies, 546 00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:05.119 I'm embarrassed. Yeah, Danny California. Every time it came on, 547 00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:07.279 my brother and I would be freaking out. 548 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.240 Do you think Anthony Ketis would be awful to hang 549 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:11.319 out with or awesome? 550 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:15.279 Based on his autobiography? Pretty awful? Oh? Is he? 551 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.720 Is he like an He just strikes me as a 552 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:20.200 very obnoxious dude? 553 00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:22.839 Yeah, I think so okay, But is he also like 554 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:23.880 a bad dude? I don't really know. 555 00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:24.680 Was like personal? 556 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:27.359 I have a red scar tissue in a while. I 557 00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:28.680 know he grew up pretty rough. 558 00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:30.519 We had the Heroin thing going. 559 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:31.640 Yeah, I think I. 560 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:32.279 Want to say he did. 561 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:36.279 I might I mix this up sometimes and I'm not 562 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:38.200 trying to sound judgmental, but I believe the first time 563 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.440 he did Heroin he was nine and the first time 564 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:43.160 he had sex he was fourteen, and I believe it 565 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:44.920 was with like a stepmom or something. 566 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.119 My dad was like an actor and I watched he 567 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:49.279 was an actor. Yeah, yes, something like that. 568 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:51.240 But no, just the way it was written. I remember 569 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:54.880 it being very, very douchey. 570 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:59.079 But I don't think Morris vibes from him. But like 571 00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:01.200 Jim Morrison was alway trying to be like deep poet, 572 00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:03.559 cool guy, and Anthony Ketis is just like, what if 573 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:04.319 all my lyrics. 574 00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:07.839 Were likelip You know that's also obnoxious? Yeah? 575 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:09.480 Yeah, what if I made What if I took hip 576 00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.799 hop but made it bad? I've had my red out 577 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:13.519 Chili Preppers. 578 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:15.720 I mean, they've got some very good songs, yeah. 579 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:19.160 For sure, But no, I don't really feel an urge 580 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:20.359 to hang out with him. 581 00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:22.680 No, I don't think what's a number one musician? 582 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:24.799 You don't want to meet your heroes? Just listen to 583 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:26.960 their music, enjoy the music. 584 00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:30.200 What's the what's the number one musician you think would 585 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:31.359 be awesome to hang out with. 586 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:33.400 Them? 587 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:35.119 Alive? Yes? 588 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:40.160 Yeah, yes, yes, Alive. You like their music and you 589 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:41.359 think they'd be awesome to hang out. 590 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.720 With Mike, I know yours is kid rock. I'm trying 591 00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:44.119 to think. 592 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:51.880 I think yours is Chris Brown, right, and then Mary's 593 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:56.359 a big Mary is a big Diddy fan, you know what. 594 00:25:57.519 --> 00:25:59.799 I bet Ludacris would be pretty fun to hang out with. 595 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:03.400 Today. 596 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:05.839 I liked him when all of his music videos were 597 00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:08.039 him with like big hold hands and stuff and like 598 00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:10.160 he was. He was a lot whackier back in the day. 599 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:11.759 I feel I don't really know what he's doing now. 600 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:15.079 I mean you could, yeah, you'd have correct me if 601 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:15.440 I'm wrong. 602 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.200 That's he was the one in Fast and Furious, right, 603 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:19.680 A couple of them, A few of them he was 604 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:22.359 in two, and then the rest of them. At least 605 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:24.000 you'd have that common ground to talk to him about. 606 00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:26.759 Yeah. I don't know that much about Fast and Furious, 607 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:28.480 but he was just always seemed like kind of a fun dude. 608 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:32.319 I Jack Black and Kyle Gass would probably be pretty fun. 609 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.920 But that's not together these days, I don't think, But 610 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:37.839 I think they still get along. I just think that 611 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:42.680 one of them has to protect. I don't think you can. 612 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:46.400 I don't think you can be super political and also 613 00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:48.160 be in a Mario movie. 614 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:50.480 When you're the more popular one who makes the most money. Yeah, 615 00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:51.759 you have to you have to be. 616 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:52.160 A bit more. 617 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:54.480 I think he rides the line. But I bet you there, 618 00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:56.480 I bet you there. Friends, I don't think that that 619 00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:59.759 ruined a friendship. I actually doubt it. Considering I actually think, 620 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:03.880 like I bet you, my guess is that he actually 621 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.200 does align with him politically. He just doesn't want to shower. 622 00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:09.640 That's my guess. 623 00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:11.079 I go back and forth. 624 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.640 I would love to run into David Byrne. 625 00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:16.400 I bet you would have a lot to talk to 626 00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.079 David Byrne about. I don't know if I would. 627 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.599 Well, yeah, I mean he's my favorite musician, so I 628 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:21.920 probably have big suits. 629 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:23.480 Oh yeah, big suits. 630 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.079 I'd waltz around in oversized clothes all the time. 631 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:29.400 I'm known to do that. 632 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:31.240 But I also he seems like a guy that would 633 00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:33.039 like talk about wine and books. 634 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:35.920 Yeah, yeah, I think so. But he went on Louis 635 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.599 Threw's podcast recently. I think he's at a point in 636 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:42.240 his life now where he's definitely admitting that he could 637 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.759 be a tough person to work with when they were 638 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.960 still songwriting as a group. But there's definitely like many 639 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:50.799 phases of his life where I don't think i'd like 640 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.079 hanging out with him, even though sure I love his 641 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:57.680 music with all my heart. Oh here here's someone who's 642 00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:02.160 someone you hate but love their music. You would not 643 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:03.880 want to hang out with ever, but you love. 644 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:05.079 Yeah, he's a good one. 645 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:08.440 Billy Corgan is like kind of notoriously a piece of shit, 646 00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:10.640 and I think he's like really hurt a lot of 647 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:15.279 his bandmates who I actually respect. But Melancholy and the 648 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.240 Infinite Sadness is so good. And I think a huge 649 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:20.359 part of what makes that music so good is his 650 00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:24.519 distinct tone and voice. I just don't. I don't think 651 00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:27.200 he's replaceable, but I do think he's not a good person. 652 00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.880 I love Bob Dylan's music. I bet he would suck 653 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:32.519 to hang out with. 654 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:33.680 I think so too. 655 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:36.680 I don't think he'd be like a person necessarily. 656 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:38.440 I think I would just be like, man, I just 657 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:39.880 can't get anything out of this, dude. 658 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.079 I can't wait for the emails telling us that every 659 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:44.119 one of these people is actually terrible. 660 00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:44.920 Super duper canceled. 661 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:45.920 Yeah, I'm sure they are. 662 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:50.880 Yeah, speaking of which, and this is I don't I'm 663 00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:53.000 not actually trying to like be political, but this is 664 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:53.640 really funny. 665 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:55.519 I saw a Reddit headline. 666 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.400 I saw a Reddit headline today that the sham Wow 667 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:01.640 guy isading for Congress in Texas. 668 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:06.000 Wonderful un like a yeah, he's running on an anti 669 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:07.839 woke agenda. That's when I saw that. 670 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:11.119 The most shocking thing knock me over with a feather, 671 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.119 sham wow wow woke? 672 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:15.240 Oh my god? 673 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:15.720 WHOA. 674 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:17.480 My whole worldview is shook. 675 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:21.920 I forgot he was a person. 676 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:23.519 He'll be president, It's fine. 677 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:25.799 He's like it's like hashtag is like, let's clean up 678 00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:30.960 this t city. He's like this titty city. 679 00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:39.359 No, but oh axl Rose. I I like him as 680 00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:40.640 a singer in Frontman a lot. 681 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:43.359 I bet he's I said, that's. 682 00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:46.960 Probably true for a lot of rock stars. I question, 683 00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:51.599 like James Hetfield buckethead Like, I just feel like a 684 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:54.359 lot of these people are like, not super great to 685 00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:56.039 actually chill with. 686 00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:58.960 Sure Slash, I bet I bet current day Slash should 687 00:29:58.960 --> 00:29:59.359 be okay. 688 00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:03.200 I honestly don't think I knew Slash. 689 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:04.319 I would love to believe this. 690 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:06.559 Oh how old is Slash? Now? 691 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.279 I'm going to seventy eighties, fifty I'm gonna get fifty 692 00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:13.279 seven really or maybe early sixties maybe? 693 00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:15.480 Oh, like I will go to at least seventies. 694 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:16.160 He's sixty. 695 00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:18.960 Yeah really this year? Yeah, yeah, huh. They were younger 696 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:19.400 than I thought. 697 00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:21.920 I mean they were in like the late eighties early 698 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.599 nineties when they were at their peaks. So yeah, I 699 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:25.119 guess so twenty something, you know. 700 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:27.559 Rolling Stones, they're like late seventies now, right. 701 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:29.240 Oh, they're like I think Mick and Keith are probably 702 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:30.519 close to like eighty something now. 703 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.319 Yeah, they've looked like they were eighty for forty years now. 704 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:34.319 I saw them. 705 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:36.319 I guess it's probably ten years ago now, and like, 706 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:38.359 god damn, they were like seventy something at the time 707 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.039 and they were like shit, I guess when it's it's 708 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:41.720 one of those things where that's all they do. That's 709 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:43.480 all they've done their entire lives, and it's just like 710 00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:45.480 their bodies are just you know, built for it and 711 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.799 touring and everything. Like they were actually pretty fantastic. No. 712 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:51.839 Spring Springsteen's another one of those guys that's like very 713 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:54.200 old but like the energy levels and everything, and they're. 714 00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:56.599 Like I saw Springsteen not that long ago, and I 715 00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:57.000 thought he. 716 00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:58.960 Did great, Like he's a great live show. 717 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:01.559 Yeah, they still have it. I don't know, I don't 718 00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:03.799 think everybody loses their luster. 719 00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:07.599 Oh you know who does? Bob Dylan? Bob Dylan. 720 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.519 I saw Bob Dylan twice because I just felt like 721 00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:15.000 I had to because he's one of my favorites. And 722 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:17.559 both times it's just like there was one time he 723 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:21.039 started singing and it was like two minutes into the 724 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:24.200 song before I realized, oh, this is like a rolling stone, 725 00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:25.920 this is like his most famous song. 726 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:27.039 But he just goes up there. 727 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:31.960 You have no idea what the fuck he's singing, or 728 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:33.559 just like renting into the microphone. 729 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:35.279 Was like, oh, this is an awful concert. 730 00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:37.160 I've met a few friends told me that I don't 731 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.599 have a desire to see him anymore. Yeah, all right, 732 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:42.920 well sorry, Mary, go ahead. 733 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.319 All of our heroes lost to Tom. 734 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.400 With George Clinton and Prolman Funkadelic. They were very cool 735 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.079 and I was eighteen and they gave me beer. That 736 00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:56.160 was cool. I was on stage with them and then 737 00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:58.640 went back to hotel and shot a little sketch and 738 00:31:58.839 --> 00:31:59.359 they were all. 739 00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:00.519 Very cool funk dudes. 740 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:01.559 And where are they now? 741 00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:05.960 George Clem's live, he said he's sober. Clem's doing better 742 00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.119 than ever. Good for him. 743 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:09.279 Yeah, gonna be dead. 744 00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:11.559 I don't know it's Bootsy Collins and Bootsy Collins was 745 00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:13.000 not there that night, but uh yeah, it's like a 746 00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:13.559 lot of peopunk. 747 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:15.400 It's doing well, all right. 748 00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:20.160 You want to talk about video games? I do all right. 749 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.119 As mentioned, we are a day late with the episode 750 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.519 because we were waiting for the Metroid Prime four embargo. Dan, 751 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.319 you are the only one here has been playing it. 752 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.559 You said you're about three quarters ish of the way 753 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:33.359 through as of this recording. 754 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.680 Based on what they show, like, oh get this many 755 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:40.920 things and uh not three quarters, I'd say maybe sixty 756 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:44.519 seventy percent is kind of where I'm feeling right now. Yeah, 757 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.440 it has been my entire weekend. It's been a lot 758 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.160 of four am nights and stuff like that. I am 759 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.920 actually intending on doing a written review a bit for 760 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.720 Giant Bombs, So as this episode goes up, it should 761 00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.119 also have a written article at Giant Bomb that you 762 00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.839 should check out unless something goes awright. But uh yeah, 763 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.119 I've got that pretty much ready to go. Metrod Prime. Yes, 764 00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.640 what is your two experiences with this series? 765 00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:09.720 Sorry, I'll be right back in. 766 00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:15.839 Yeah, I got it. Go ahead, Uh Prime or Metroid. 767 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:17.519 Prime. 768 00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:22.839 Big fan of Metroid and really enjoyed the last in 769 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.640 the series. I think I'm trying to understand like where 770 00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:30.599 we're at now with the latest the latest Prime, and 771 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:32.079 what this has added to the series. 772 00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:35.079 Well, it's it's been so long now, and it feels 773 00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.440 like just the whole history of Metroid is so weird 774 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.519 where it's like it always felt like Japan never really 775 00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.359 understood what like they always tried to bring Metroid to 776 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:46.799 the States because they're like, oh, okay, well they like 777 00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:49.119 first person shooters and stuff there, and that's why, you know, 778 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.160 Metrod Prime was kind of a first person you know, 779 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:53.599 that was a big debate back in the days, like 780 00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.759 this is is this an FBS Metrod Prime. No, it's not. 781 00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:58.359 It plays very differently. It's a three D Metroidvania. But 782 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.279 they were doing like we'd multiplayer stuff and pinball stuff 783 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:03.559 and you know, the DS game and like they've been 784 00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:05.359 all over the place of the series for so long, 785 00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:08.760 and I think the Prime series is the one thing 786 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.599 outside of just that core two D traditional Metroidvania series 787 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.599 that they really really nailed. Like did you remember Other 788 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:16.559 End Did you ever play that? 789 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:17.000 Mary? 790 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.000 I don't think I played Other m. 791 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:21.039 It's it's like it was such. 792 00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.599 They've made so many weird missteps with the series where 793 00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:25.239 it's like this is one where they made like Samus 794 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:27.199 is like super sassy and we're gonna put a bunch 795 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:28.760 of cutscenes in here, and she's. 796 00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:31.280 Well, excuse me, it's bam. 797 00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:33.679 That it's basically that they gave it to Team Ninja 798 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:35.880 and gave her like it's just it's not at all 799 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:40.760 what makes Metroid metrod and Prime is Metroid as it 800 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:43.159 should be in three D. And the first one I 801 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.960 think is definitely the best in the series. It is 802 00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.880 just kind of that like lonely isolated experience of just 803 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.119 Samus and space as you're traveling between all these planets 804 00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.599 and things like that. U two got a little bogged 805 00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:57.360 down with this like kind of light world dark world 806 00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:59.280 type stuff that I did not love to That was 807 00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.400 my least favorite Prime series. And then three was good, 808 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:04.800 but it was we so it was like really kind 809 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.199 of like motion control gimmicky. So there were those three, 810 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:11.039 and now it's been fucking forever since three, since that 811 00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:12.800 Wei game, so we had. 812 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.920 Dread, Like are we just saying only Prime. 813 00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:18.480 Dread is Dread is from the I think at the 814 00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:21.840 beginning it even said like Metroid five, I think because 815 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.400 it's Metrid one to Super Metroid, and then I think 816 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:28.840 metrod Fusion was technically four Dread was five of like 817 00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.599 the Core series that's like the two D metrod Mania. 818 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.880 So this is the fourth Prime and so it's been 819 00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:35.519 forever since we've had a Prime. I want to say, 820 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.280 Corruption was like two thousand and eight or something like that, 821 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.719 two thousand and eight, I think. So I think there's 822 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:43.440 a lot of reason coming into this to be very 823 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.320 skeptical because it's been all over the place from a 824 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:49.239 series standpoint, even the Prime series itself has been kind 825 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.239 of like varying levels of quality, and it's been forever, 826 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.920 And there was a huge delay that was like them 827 00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:57.119 straight up saying like, hey, we're going back to the 828 00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:57.880 drawing board here. 829 00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:00.840 Something's wrong here, which is not what you want to 830 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:02.559 hear from your game design. 831 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.880 Yeah, we're restarting development basically from scratch, is what they said. 832 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:07.920 So like there was like a lot of reasons to 833 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:09.880 be kind of like, Okay, what's going to be the 834 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:13.440 deal here? I will say, I do think, and keep 835 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.079 in mind, this is not my final thoughts here. My 836 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.360 final thoughts will be like the review and things like that, 837 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.119 because I've not beaten the game yet and there's still 838 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:20.440 things I need to test. I need to test the 839 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.800 mouse mode and things like that. But as of right now, 840 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:27.960 you know, sixty seventy percent in I feel like this 841 00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.400 is definitely up there with the first one as far 842 00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:32.880 as the best. 843 00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:33.360 Met Roid Prime. 844 00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.039 Oh my god, Dan. 845 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:37.360 Yeah, I don't think right now, I'll say it's I 846 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.360 don't think it's better than one. I think One was 847 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:42.760 just like, what is age incredibly Well, if you play 848 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.599 the remastered one can on Switch recently, it's like it's 849 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.239 still incredible. So it's like, you think about them doing 850 00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:49.920 that in two thousand and two. 851 00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:51.320 I think that came out with. 852 00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:53.880 All the advancements in technology. 853 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.159 Yeah, it's like, but this does capture that spirit of 854 00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.239 the first one. They've changed some big things about the 855 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.559 format as far as like there's an open world here, 856 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.840 and I think when people hear that, I think people 857 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:09.920 immediately go to like, oh, Breath of the Wild and 858 00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:12.199 what they did with Zelda and making an open world. 859 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:12.519 Well. 860 00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.719 Also because Prime is also notorious for being like you 861 00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:17.360 get a specific thing, you're meant to go to a 862 00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:19.519 specific place. What are you doing in an open world 863 00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:21.440 when you have a very specific item. 864 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:23.199 Well, I mean there is that. 865 00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:25.920 There is that like Metroidvania elements where it's like okay, 866 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.440 so I went and did this. I went to this area, 867 00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:31.119 and oh, I can't cross this bridge or this lava 868 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:32.559 thing because I. 869 00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:34.400 Need to go back to this previous place and I 870 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:34.880 need to get. 871 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.599 This thing that gives me the suit that lets me 872 00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.480 you know, be heat resistant and stuff like that. So 873 00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:41.800 I want to be careful when I say open world. 874 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:42.480 It is not. 875 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:44.360 This is not a breath of the wild type situation. 876 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:46.039 I kind of thought at the beginning it might be 877 00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:47.880 more like that, because like I went to my map 878 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:49.639 and it's like, oh, you can set markers. You can 879 00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:51.880 like you know, say like oh this is a missile 880 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.800 expansion or an energy tank or something like that. It's 881 00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.840 you can do that, but it's not this huge thing. 882 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.719 It's more like High Rule Field was in Okrane of time, 883 00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.400 where it's like it is a kind of large open 884 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.679 area with some things dotted throughout that you can do 885 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:12.039 to kind of connect these larger you know, like Death 886 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:14.360 Mountain and Cocriaco Village and all that stuff. You know, 887 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:16.440 it's you know what I thought of a lot Mary 888 00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:19.719 is Gears five because remember how Gears five tried that 889 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.840 stuff where there was I think Act two and three. 890 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.920 It's an open world, but it's like you were going 891 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.079 to a very specific location most of the time. 892 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:29.440 Yeah, whatever those two acts were where it's like one 893 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:31.000 of them was like ice and one of them was sand, 894 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.199 and like specifically I was thinking of the sand one 895 00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:35.559 because it's very much like that where it's like there 896 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.800 is this large open desert and there are things kind 897 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:41.559 of sprinkled throughout. You know how like in Gears, you 898 00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:43.280 know you'd find like a little outposts like I'm gonna 899 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:44.880 shoot some things here and I'm go get this some 900 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.400 cogs and shit like that. Uh, this is similar like 901 00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:49.440 you'll take an elevator down into a shrine, you'll do 902 00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:49.960 a quick thing. 903 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.119 You'll get like a missile expansion or something like that. 904 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.320 But it is I think this is gonna be a 905 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.920 polarizing thing because it is kind of an empty open world. 906 00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:01.280 It is it's a desert, so it's there's not a 907 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:03.199 lot going on, like enemies will like you know, some 908 00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:06.000 flying enemies will show up. You know, there's shrines here, 909 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.599 there's these like green crystals you can go around and collect. 910 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:12.239 But the shrines. Sorry to interrupt, you, just like down 911 00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:14.039 what the shrine is? 912 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:17.199 But why it's it's it's like a shrine that's probably 913 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:18.960 closer to Breath the Wild, where like you go down 914 00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:21.360 into a thing, you save a very quick puzzle, you 915 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:21.760 get a. 916 00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.199 Thing and you go back to the open world, you. 917 00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:26.480 Know, but kind of thing, a missile expansion or a 918 00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:28.400 thing that makes it so if you charge your ice beam, 919 00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.079 you shoot three ice beams at a time something like that. 920 00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.679 But yeah, but it's it's not like Breath the While, 921 00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:35.679 where there's one hundred and twenty. There's like I've run 922 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.199 into like five of them I can go to, you know, 923 00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:40.679 and I'm pretty far out of the game. So it 924 00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.599 is it's pretty empty, but it's it's cool in that 925 00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:45.400 like you've got the bike. Have you seen the bike 926 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:49.000 from the trailers or anything? Viola, it's just sam as 927 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.599 looks cool as hell. This bike is cool as hell. 928 00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:53.719 The way you summon it is you hit the plus 929 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:55.639 button and like, you know how like Eldon Ring you 930 00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:57.559 want to summon Torrent and just like well right here, 931 00:39:57.599 --> 00:39:59.480 you know, it's it's not the whistle wait for the 932 00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.920 horse thing. It's like, oh, they're right under your ass basically, 933 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.199 so you hit the button, it just seamlessly does this 934 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:07.000 great animation if you're going from first person to camera 935 00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.840 pans out Samus does this giant backflip twenty feet in 936 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:12.480 the air. Motorcycle comes up underneath you. You land on it, 937 00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:14.559 and you're just taking off through the desert on your 938 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:17.760 space bike. It's fucking cool, Like it just feels good 939 00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:20.280 to cruise around. It's you know, hilly, and there's some 940 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.639 jumps and there are some collectibles and stuff to get there, 941 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.639 but ultimately you are just kind of going from point 942 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:26.360 of interest to point of interest. But it like, it 943 00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.880 feels really fucking cool with this bike. So I think 944 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.880 some people will probably complain about the emptiness or whatever, 945 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:34.719 but honestly, it didn't really bother me. 946 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:36.239 And then once you. 947 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:39.519 Get to these large areas like this first area of 948 00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:42.000 Fury Green that you go to, or then Volts Forge, 949 00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:44.559 like it is kind of this like you know, ice fire, 950 00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.199 you know, kind of the traditional type of thing you see. 951 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:52.480 You know, game is forever, but everything visually, the music, 952 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.280 it is just the most metroid shit you can imagine. 953 00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:57.280 There's a part where it's like I went back and 954 00:40:57.320 --> 00:40:59.440 I did. I reloaded the save just so I could 955 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.280 record this of when you first go into Fury Green. 956 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.559 It's like the first kind of foresty area you're in, 957 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.360 and it shows the title card and just the fond 958 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.559 treatment's really cool and everything, and the music comes in 959 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.559 and it's the most metroid ass music and it's so 960 00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.239 so good. It sets that tone so so well, and 961 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.480 so those Metroid moments are really there now. 962 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:21.559 The vibes are immaculate. 963 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:22.679 They are. 964 00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.119 But another thing I heard people were upset about was 965 00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:29.519 that there's there are other characters now and some of 966 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.519 them talk, and so, Mike, have you heard some of this? 967 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:32.920 Yeah? 968 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.239 I read the previews, so sorry I stepped out. Apologies 969 00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.639 if I'm retreating stuff. I read previews, and I know 970 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.320 there was worry that they were having like an Atreus 971 00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:44.679 situation with helping you solve stuff early. 972 00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:46.840 Okay, it's not so That's the thing is like I 973 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:50.320 fucking hate the Atreyas memir Aloy thing where you walk 974 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:51.760 into a room. It's like, no, I bet if I 975 00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:53.119 climb this, and then if I jump down, and then 976 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:54.800 if I equit this thing and then break that rock 977 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:55.920 wall I'm gonna get to the next thing. 978 00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:57.639 It's fucking not that at all. 979 00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.519 Like the first maybe hour of the game, there is 980 00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:03.039 a character you run into. This is the one that 981 00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:05.199 they talked about in the previous His name is Miles McKenzie. 982 00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:08.039 He is an obnoxious character. He's like, I'm nerdy science 983 00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:09.679 guy or whatever. I'm here to help you out, Santas 984 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:11.760 and like there are a couple parts where he's like, Oh, 985 00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:13.440 you should do this, go check this out or whatever. 986 00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.079 He's just kind of really there in the first hour, 987 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.800 and he is obnoxious in that, Like it is weird. 988 00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:22.440 In a game that's all about kind of like the 989 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.440 vibes and the atmosphere and just the loneliness of space, 990 00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:28.400 you've got this fucking guy who's saying things like whin 991 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.559 and boo yeah, and like you know, it's it's I know, 992 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:35.079 I know, that's like you're spoken exactly and that epis 993 00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.360 is kryptonite to me. So if that was a guy 994 00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:41.280 that was saying that type of shit and doing mameir 995 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:43.719 aloy shit the whole game, I would be the first 996 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:44.800 to be like this sucks. 997 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:45.159 Shit. 998 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.360 But he's there for that first little like maybe an 999 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.320 hour is probably generous. He's kind of done after that, 1000 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:54.079 and then he's just like a dude that is like 1001 00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:56.039 when you go back to your like home base area 1002 00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:59.440 to like upgrade your arm cannon or something, he's the 1003 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.199 guy you give it chip to and he's like, God, 1004 00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:03.280 now you can do ice, and then you leave and 1005 00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:04.840 fuck off and don't talk to him again. You know, 1006 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.880 It's like you can call him as like a codec type, 1007 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:09.199 like you know, like a metal gear. You can call 1008 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:10.519 the colonel. If you need to figure out what to 1009 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:11.960 do next, you can do that. You can go to 1010 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.599 the map and hit X and talk to him, but 1011 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.880 he's not like constantly in your ear. And more importantly, 1012 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:19.679 he is not telling you what to do Like that 1013 00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.440 would fucking ruin a Metroid game for me if I 1014 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.320 walked in and he was like, hey, Samus, I think 1015 00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:25.719 you need to power that up to open the door. 1016 00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:28.960 Like it's not that at all, and he's not the 1017 00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.239 only character, but it's far from a constant thing in 1018 00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.679 this game. So if anyone's worried about that based on 1019 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:38.320 the previews or whatever, like I agree, he's annoying, and 1020 00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:40.440 but like he's not a big deal in. 1021 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.239 This I'm so I also really liked how Metroid Prime 1022 00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:49.400 and Echoes and Corruption to some extent, emphasize Samus's skills 1023 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:50.599 as like a scientist. 1024 00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:54.159 They lean into that here. I don't know, Prime, you're 1025 00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:55.760 very much like you're scanning stuff a lot. 1026 00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:00.079 You're like you're you're you're cataloging stuff. I love that 1027 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:01.679 aspect of it. That wasn't the main draw for me, 1028 00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:04.760 but I liked how they embraced her as this like, yeah, 1029 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:08.800 this explorer. This not not just like actually like documenting 1030 00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:09.639 her exploration. 1031 00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:10.480 Yeah. 1032 00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:12.159 Yeah, it's kind of like you know, Batman also had 1033 00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:15.559 like the detectective stuff I just beaten people up, you know, yeah, 1034 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:16.079 they do that. 1035 00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:17.119 And the scanning. 1036 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:19.119 I actually, before I write the review, I still need to, 1037 00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:21.039 like I want to go back to my reviews of 1038 00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.519 like you know three and things like that, because I 1039 00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:26.119 think this is the first time like the scanning, like 1040 00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:28.320 back I remember it in all the old ones is 1041 00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.639 like tiny orange squares, tiny red squares, and you're going 1042 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:32.800 around kind of scanning all that. This is just kind 1043 00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:36.360 of visually it's better where it's like just big green things, 1044 00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:38.639 like the whole object, like if it's a statue, will 1045 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.039 be fully green, so you know, you go into that 1046 00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:43.559 and it's like the psychic you know filter or whatever, 1047 00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:46.079 and you can just see entire objects highlighted and things 1048 00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:47.440 like that. So it's a lot easier to kind of 1049 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:49.119 go around and scan and not just have a bunch 1050 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:52.239 of little colored squares everywhere. So yeah, that's scanning aspect 1051 00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:54.199 and going through log books and trying to find out, 1052 00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.800 you know, what happened with this ancient civilization, these like 1053 00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.559 Lamorne priests and like, you know, this ancient it's it's 1054 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:03.480 very metroated, this like ancient you know race that like 1055 00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:06.599 you know, you are the character of prophecy that's supposed 1056 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.000 to save them and all this stuff. It's very metright 1057 00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:10.880 in that way. But you are going through all their 1058 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.000 log books and things like that and kind of deciphering 1059 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.320 what has happened with their history and how things came. 1060 00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:17.599 To be okay on the present. 1061 00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:20.880 Yeah, And it's it's a thing where it's like, Okay, 1062 00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.559 there's these five mcguffins. There's these five things you need 1063 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:25.559 to get. As of right now, I've got three of them. 1064 00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:28.239 There was a point after I got the first two 1065 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.159 where it was like, okay, well here's you need to 1066 00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:33.559 get three more and do it in any order, like 1067 00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.440 they say, do it in any order. And I remember 1068 00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.159 like going to just a far off one. It like 1069 00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:41.280 seemed like they were suggesting, like, hey, go to this one. 1070 00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:42.519 I was like, oh no, I want to do the 1071 00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:43.840 you know, Breath the Wild thing. I'm gonna go all 1072 00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:45.360 the way over there, you know the way Breath the 1073 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.039 Wild kind of wanted you to go towards the water 1074 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:48.679 area firstance like I fuck that, I'm going to the 1075 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.760 Rito village or whatever. But they did kind of like 1076 00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:53.840 gate me and we're like, oh, yeah, you can't cross 1077 00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:55.960 this thing. You should probably just like I do wonder. 1078 00:45:56.199 --> 00:45:58.000 I do want to do some more research on this 1079 00:45:58.039 --> 00:45:59.960 and see how open it actually is, because it did 1080 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.920 seem like there is kind of an order to do here. 1081 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:03.920 So like, I don't want people going into this thinking 1082 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:05.440 this is the Breath of the Wild of Metroid. 1083 00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:05.800 It is not. 1084 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:08.000 This is a Metroid game with the big desert in 1085 00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:10.280 between like these much larger areas. 1086 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:12.079 Yeah, I don't think I want it to do that. 1087 00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:13.199 I don't either. 1088 00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:15.079 I mean, I guess I didn't know if I want 1089 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:16.880 to Zelda to do that, So I'm always open to 1090 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:20.079 be surprised. But I am happy with the way this is. 1091 00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:23.760 You know, it's just like briefly, like these dungeons you know, 1092 00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:26.480 for lack of a better term, are big and they 1093 00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:28.280 do follow like kind of that Zelda thing of like 1094 00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:31.760 you're going through solving puzzles, unlocking doors, you're getting an item, 1095 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:33.679 you're fighting a boss with it, and then you're kind 1096 00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:35.280 of back to the open world doing some other stuff 1097 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.960 before you go to the next area. So yeah, I 1098 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.320 do feel like that desert is just kind of that 1099 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.559 again High Royal Fields from Acarina, where you're just kind 1100 00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.000 of like, yeah, I'm just I'm walking across here to 1101 00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:48.960 get to you know, the lake or whatever. So do 1102 00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:50.480 not think this is a breath of wild or anything 1103 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:54.400 like that. Other big changes and stuff there's instead of 1104 00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:57.920 just like missiles, there's like elemental shots, so it's not like, oh, 1105 00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.000 you get the ice beam or you get the plasma beam, 1106 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.960 and then your standard shot is just that it is. 1107 00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:04.760 You have your standard shot, which I think is just 1108 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:07.480 called the psychic beam, but then you can switch to 1109 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.360 missiles with the dpad, but you can also switch to 1110 00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.840 you know, I won't spoil every beam you get or whatever. 1111 00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:18.199 But they use a separate, separate type of AMMO basically, 1112 00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:20.480 and it's very generous with that. I don't feel like 1113 00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:22.199 I have to be sparing with it. And you know, 1114 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:25.679 I'm just constantly getting You get elemental AMMO and you 1115 00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.000 can use that for whatever of these elements you've unlocked. 1116 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:29.920 Basically, it makes. 1117 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:33.000 Sense standard shots, missiles, and then you've got the elemental shots, 1118 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:35.719 and the elemental shots are critical to like opening certain doors, 1119 00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.960 doing certain things as you would expect the game. 1120 00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:41.199 Also, like boasted in the advertising, I feel like this 1121 00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:44.320 isn't a spoiler because it's in the ads for it. 1122 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:48.320 It's like some kind of psychic abilities or something like yep, 1123 00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:52.840 that is that elemental or is that something else that's different. 1124 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:55.320 The elemental is just kind of like your your shots, 1125 00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:56.199 like from your. 1126 00:47:56.239 --> 00:48:00.119 Lightning cannon, your whatever. Okay, yeah, so what's a what 1127 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:01.159 the psychic stuff? 1128 00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:03.880 The psychic stuff is like early on, you get this 1129 00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:06.719 like crystal and it's in Samus's helmet and you can 1130 00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:08.920 it's like when you go to scan, it's basically like 1131 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:12.199 the psychic filter now, so and you can use that 1132 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.239 to like you get a psychic lasso, so you can 1133 00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.840 like pull certain things and some of the stuff. They 1134 00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.280 just add the word psychic to an ability that's already 1135 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:21.760 been a metroid. So like I just got this boost ball, 1136 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.800 which has been in every metrod Prime basically, but now 1137 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:26.639 it's the psychic boostball or whatever. So it's like, oh, 1138 00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:28.760 and there's like a purple contrail, Like everything's just kind 1139 00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:32.159 of purple if it's psychic, you know. So ultimately it's 1140 00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:34.719 like you can use it to like certain locks and 1141 00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.440 things like that. You can move like kind of telekinesis, 1142 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:41.480 move things with your psychic abilities. It's to me, it's 1143 00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:43.639 more of a branding thing than anything. It's just like 1144 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:45.679 things that have kind of already been around at metrod 1145 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.400 Prime are just now purple and they call. 1146 00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:51.199 It psychic, you know, like yeah, yeah, yeah. 1147 00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:53.079 There's some cool things where it's like you'll find a 1148 00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:56.800 psychic it's like this boostball cannon thing and you're basically 1149 00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.920 riding this like psychic wave instead of like a physical 1150 00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:03.880 boostball track or something like that. But I don't know, 1151 00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:07.280 it's functionally, I think that's very similar to the other stuff. 1152 00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:09.960 And then the moving stuff around is kind of like 1153 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.239 it almost feels like the motion stuff from metter Prime 1154 00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.840 three on wis it's not a game change or anything. 1155 00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:17.719 And it's also not obnoxious. And I will say the 1156 00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:20.239 motion stuff. I'm playing with the switch to pro controller 1157 00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.280 and that has been really good. Like I went into 1158 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.239 the options and you can very much get in there 1159 00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:26.760 and be like I want this to be motion controlled. 1160 00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:28.840 I don't want this to be motion controlled. I want 1161 00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:30.760 this the aiming to be motion controlled, but I want 1162 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:32.599 there to be a threshold where it's like I have 1163 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:34.920 to move the controller a certain amount before my you know, 1164 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:37.079 lock on will kind of like let me target other 1165 00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.239 limbs and things like that. So I've really tweaked that 1166 00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:41.920 a lot, and I do think turning motion control on 1167 00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:44.639 for most things in this game is the way to go. 1168 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:47.679 I want to try the mouse mode because I try 1169 00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:49.599 it at the preview event in New York City and 1170 00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:52.039 the really great for certain boss fights and stuff. So 1171 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:53.679 I want to try, but like I just don't know, 1172 00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:55.320 Like I'm sitting on a couch playing on a big TV. 1173 00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:57.039 I don't know, Like I know they said they want 1174 00:49:57.079 --> 00:49:58.480 the mouse to be like, oh, you can put it 1175 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:00.840 on your thigh or whatever. I'd just rather play with 1176 00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:02.639 my controller that it seems to be doing a great 1177 00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:06.199 job here, so remains to be seen on that, but 1178 00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:09.679 ultimately it's like all of the Metroid stuff is there 1179 00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:13.199 and it's great, Like all the stuff you come to 1180 00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:16.920 Metroid Prime for specifically is kind of top notch right now. 1181 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:18.559 And I really do think I like this more than 1182 00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:22.440 two and three. Two just got it's focused. It's focused 1183 00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:24.119 in a way that two and three weren't. I think 1184 00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:26.400 two was going a little too hard on these kind 1185 00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.320 of like light world dark world gimmicks that I didn't love. 1186 00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:30.639 Three went a little too hard on the motion stuff. 1187 00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:33.880 This does seem like a bit of a return to form, 1188 00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:36.320 even though they've kind of added things like the more 1189 00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.719 open area and certain elements. It feels more like the 1190 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:41.840 first one than two or three. 1191 00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:42.440 I would say. 1192 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:44.199 I was gonna say I liked Corruption. 1193 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:47.960 Corruption was definitely my second favorite one, but like, and 1194 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.440 I like that Echoes was attempting that light dark world 1195 00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:52.920 stuff as like its overall defining mechanic. 1196 00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:55.960 I was gonna ask, is that Metroid Prime fours. 1197 00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:59.440 Is it that it's semi open, more open this time around, 1198 00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:01.719 that's like it's defining conceit. 1199 00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:04.719 You'd say it's. 1200 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:06.760 A good question, because, like I think the stuff that 1201 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:09.559 I'm liking the most is that it does remind me 1202 00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:11.840 more of the first game, and like, I do like 1203 00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:14.280 the open world stuff, but I don't think it's that 1204 00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.639 huge of a part of the experience. I mean, all 1205 00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:19.679 the stuff I'm loving is the stuff of just going 1206 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.639 through these worlds and exploring and upgrading and things. It's 1207 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.800 like very Metroid Prime one, I would say. And then 1208 00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:27.519 if anything, the open world is just kind of like 1209 00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:30.599 a fun thing to do in between that. So yeah, 1210 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:34.559 I don't think there's a huge gimmick here. I like, 1211 00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:37.280 and even adding characters that speak and dialogue and stuff 1212 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.639 like that, they haven't gone full other m or made 1213 00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:41.840 this like a weird like we're gonna give Samus a 1214 00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:43.639 big story. It's like, no, they don't get too hard 1215 00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:46.360 on that it. It does seem like they're just trying 1216 00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:48.800 to kind of go back to basics in a way, 1217 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:51.280 in a way I appreciate. And something I think is 1218 00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.000 really cool is it looks the way like Samus and 1219 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.440 just these environments and everything I have always in the 1220 00:51:56.480 --> 00:51:58.679 Prime series have looked so sleek and so cool, and 1221 00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:02.000 the design is just incredible, and I feel playing this 1222 00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:04.880 that it looks the way I remember Metroid Prime one 1223 00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:07.440 looking in the same way that like when you play 1224 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.719 a really good like HD remaster or remake, like when 1225 00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.360 you play when wacer HD, it's like, oh, yeah, this 1226 00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:15.280 is how I remember it looking. But then you actually 1227 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:17.079 go back and you play the original one, You're like, oh, 1228 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:19.400 this actually looks way way better. I think this is 1229 00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.039 a similar thing where it's like it is obviously head 1230 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.000 and shoulders above it, but like it is, it is 1231 00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:27.679 evoking that same feel. It is looking the way you 1232 00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:30.079 remember it looked when you were being blown away by 1233 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:31.440 the first Metrod Prime and O two. 1234 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:36.199 You know, that's super promising, especially having played Metroid Prime 1235 00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.360 last year on the switch the was it last year 1236 00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:40.920 two years ago? The remaster two years ago? I think 1237 00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:43.559 one or two years something like that. Either way, replaying that, 1238 00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:45.199 I was like, oh man, now I really can't wait 1239 00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:47.159 for four. So I'm definitely gonna try to play it 1240 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:49.000 at least a few hours in the next couple of 1241 00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:51.719 days before Game of the Year stuff starts. 1242 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:54.320 Yeah, we will have to decide if it's eligible, I mean, 1243 00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:57.000 because like I mean it is, it will definitely be 1244 00:52:57.039 --> 00:52:59.960 on my top ten for sure, but we have to decide, 1245 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:01.960 like if it's just not reasonable for people to you know, 1246 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:03.039 play through enough of this year. 1247 00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:04.280 We might have to push it to next year. 1248 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:07.400 But it's just such a difficult time to release a 1249 00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:10.400 game like that, and unfortunately, especially when it comes to 1250 00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:14.000 like our Goady, it's meant to be a love letter 1251 00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:16.000 to all of our tastes and so that makes it 1252 00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:18.639 really difficult. But this is such an obvious game for 1253 00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:19.480 us to play. 1254 00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:24.239 So yeah, but I'm not going to play it. 1255 00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:25.760 I just don't know I'm going to play enough of 1256 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.559 it for us to talk about it. That's what it's hard. 1257 00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:30.159 If we got to push it to next year, we 1258 00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:32.679 push it next year. But I mean the important thing 1259 00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:34.760 is I think everyone's going to like this a lot. 1260 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:36.440 It is. It is a tremendous game. 1261 00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:41.800 Dumb question. Is it compatible with the first Switch? Yes? 1262 00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:43.719 It is? Oh cool, Okay, I have not tried it's 1263 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:45.199 not in that regard. 1264 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:49.119 Then uh no, no, it's it is because they announced 1265 00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:51.239 it as a Switch one game, and then yeah. 1266 00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.679 That's that's true. It's been in development for a while now. 1267 00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.840 Oh, going back to Marry you asked about the psychic abilities. 1268 00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:59.440 A one new one that I like a lot is 1269 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.239 there's a psychic charge shot. You can do so if 1270 00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:04.079 you charge your cannon and you shoot it while you're 1271 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:06.920 in the psychic mode, it does the uh you eBay 1272 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.960 heavenly sword. Yeah, you know how you like shoot an 1273 00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:12.639 arrow and you could like after touch the arrow and 1274 00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:16.920 stuff like that. So, uh like Jumper bending the bullets, you. 1275 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:21.639 Could that masterpiece. Of course, everyone knows Jumper. You've never 1276 00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:23.639 seen it. No, Wanted is when they curve the bullets. 1277 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.320 No, I think Jumper is the bending the bullets one. 1278 00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:28.199 I think to look it up because in my notes 1279 00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.039 it's Jumper and I haven't written the review yet. 1280 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.119 Jumper is the one with Hayden Christiansen and I think 1281 00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.760 Samuel L. Jackson where they can literally just warp around 1282 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.800 the world. Wanted is James McAvoy with the bending the bullets. 1283 00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:40.480 Which movie can they bend bullets? I told you it's Wanted. 1284 00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:42.760 I got to change my notes. 1285 00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:43.920 It's Angelina Joli. 1286 00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.519 Oh yeah, okay, they've got it. She's got a scene. 1287 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:53.480 Oh yeah, it's he's Mike is right, It's it's Angelina 1288 00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:56.559 Jolie bends the bullets by moving the gun really fast. 1289 00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:57.360 From right to left. Yeah. 1290 00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:59.840 Well, I am changing my notes right now to wanted 1291 00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:09.679 instead of where ye but yeah, and then it's like 1292 00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:11.719 you have a lot of control over it. It's not 1293 00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:13.440 just like after touch, so it's like there will be 1294 00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:15.760 a certain panel that you need to hit and so 1295 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:16.360 you charge it. 1296 00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:16.880 Oh. 1297 00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:18.800 A great example is there was like a mini boss 1298 00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:21.800 and he had these three kind of like energy orbs 1299 00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.039 around him in a triangle and you could only kind 1300 00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:25.559 of take a shield down if you hit all of 1301 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:28.559 them pretty much simultaneously. So of course you start and 1302 00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:30.400 it's just like, okay, well I'm trying to shoot them all, 1303 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:32.760 but he's recharging real quick. But then you realize, oh, right, 1304 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:34.679 when I do the psychic charge shot, it kind of 1305 00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:36.880 pauses time for a little bit or like super slows 1306 00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:40.119 it down, so you're able to like guide this one 1307 00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:42.239 energy shot and steer it and you can do that 1308 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:44.400 with the gyro controls too, and you're just steering it 1309 00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:46.760 around to hit all of these orbs and then it 1310 00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:48.199 brings down the thing and then you can just unload 1311 00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.559 missiles and stuff into it. Like lots of great mini 1312 00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:52.760 bosses and really clever stuff like that, Like the bosses 1313 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:53.679 specifically have. 1314 00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:55.119 Been a blast in this one. 1315 00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:59.440 Nice I mean, as soon as I've been playing it 1316 00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:01.199 all day, was we're done with this stuff. I'm going 1317 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:05.119 right back and playing it all night. So well, it's. 1318 00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:08.360 Also switched to speaking of Mary before I move on 1319 00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:10.639 to you. You've been playing Kirby Air Riders. 1320 00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:15.599 Oh damn, Oh my god. Oh I thought you were 1321 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:18.039 queuing up Mary. You're crying, you up? 1322 00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:23.679 Mary didn't play it. We're talking switch. Yeah, like a 1323 00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:26.079 few hours of it on Gamecubrets. 1324 00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:27.400 Of the original one on GameCube was. I didn't play 1325 00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:27.719 it much. 1326 00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:31.000 I compared it to super monkey Ball, like similar, like 1327 00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:33.320 I think they were kind of going for and I 1328 00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:34.920 might just be actually, now that I think about it, 1329 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:36.599 I might be confusing it with super monkey Ball, but 1330 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:39.519 I remember it being like high velocity kind of three 1331 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:41.280 D platforming, course navigation. 1332 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.840 Is that platforming? It's it's it's a racing game, but 1333 00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:46.440 there's no acceleration button. 1334 00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:50.960 It's just the first it was a one button game. 1335 00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:53.239 The first people say it was like the Smash Bros. 1336 00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:53.760 Of racing. 1337 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:54.480 That's what it was. 1338 00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:57.079 The Smash Brothers guy, like the guy who made Smash 1339 00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:00.239 Brothers made And it's like so obvious playing it cause 1340 00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:02.440 it's just filled like it kind of makes sense in 1341 00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:04.719 Smash Brothers, where it's like, good, it's every Nintendo character 1342 00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:07.760 effort and everything from every game, and this one it's 1343 00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:10.400 just insanity. Like, I really this is the game that 1344 00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:13.079 made me realize that there's a limit to me liking 1345 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:17.000 that specific Nintendo brand of bullshit, you know, like Mario 1346 00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:17.760 Party and all that stuff. 1347 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:18.199 I love it. 1348 00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:20.159 Just feed it to me, you know, put in my veins. 1349 00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:23.199 This one is just like, this is just chaos in 1350 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:24.679 a way that I don't know if I. 1351 00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:26.800 Like, uh and finally went too far. 1352 00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:30.400 Yeah, it's just a bunch of shit on the screen. 1353 00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.800 Yeah, but I kind of like it like that you're 1354 00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:36.480 respected in ways where it's like you'll go to the 1355 00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:38.719 main menu, it's like, wait, what is this gummies section? 1356 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:40.440 And it's like, oh, I guess I unlocked a bunch 1357 00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:44.119 of gummy candy in the shape of all the machines 1358 00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:46.039 and stuff, and I guess I can like zoom in 1359 00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:48.239 on all the gummy candy, Like why is this a mode? 1360 00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:48.760 What is this? 1361 00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:50.920 And then it's every time you finish a race, you're 1362 00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.760 unlocking eight thousand things like in Smash Brothers, all the 1363 00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:56.400 stickers and decals and new character and all that, it's 1364 00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.960 like the same announcer and you know, just the menu 1365 00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:02.639 style and everything is so fucking Smash Brothers. But I 1366 00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:04.079 don't know if it's just because, like I don't know, 1367 00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:06.360 people are used to like the Mario Kart style of 1368 00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:08.599 like yep, here's the acceleration and you roll over. 1369 00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:10.679 The right, not just play Mario Kart, I guess is 1370 00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:11.239 my question. 1371 00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:20.039 Oh I will, That's what I'm gonna donative to. Yeah, yeah, 1372 00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:23.440 I mean I kind of appreciate the variety that they 1373 00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:25.639 have here, because like there's weird modes like the city 1374 00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:28.480 trial thing where it's just like five minutes and a 1375 00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:32.599 city is just exploding and there's giants and meteors and 1376 00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:35.639 all you're doing is just going around eating fucking JPEGs 1377 00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:38.559 of food and getting these stat boosts and stuff like that, 1378 00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:41.920 and then it goes to a like randomized minigame afterwards 1379 00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:44.639 where it's like gobble up the most stuff, or yeah, 1380 00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:46.480 you know, here's a melee fight with everyone or a 1381 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:46.920 boss fight. 1382 00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:51.360 Like there's just like weird, weird variety that I appreciate, 1383 00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:53.800 But also it just seems like there's no clear through 1384 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:56.320 line between any of this it's like I don't know 1385 00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:58.760 if it feels great as a racing game, and some 1386 00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:01.360 of these mini games are okay, but it also feels 1387 00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:03.599 like to what end, Like what are we doing here 1388 00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:04.079 with this kid? 1389 00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:04.599 You know? 1390 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:09.199 Visually it's crack, Like it's so hard to parse because 1391 00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:12.239 there's a lot of particle effects. There's a lot of 1392 00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:16.920 uh different ways you can impact the players around you. 1393 00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:19.199 I think there's even like NPCs in the space. There's 1394 00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.480 just like a lot visually going on. And I think 1395 00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:25.519 for the youths, it's really possible that this is something 1396 00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:27.719 that's going to like really appeal to a younger generation 1397 00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.079 that like needs a lot of action action action to 1398 00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:33.519 keep their attention attention attention. But to me, I feel 1399 00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:37.039 kind of overwhelmed watching it. 1400 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:38.960 I do too, And I feel like I would have 1401 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:40.800 felt it even back then when I was younger, Like 1402 00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:43.079 I had Bonk play it just because like this is 1403 00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:45.320 like the opposite of a Bonk game, Like this is 1404 00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:49.039 just she has no tolerance for like just Nintendo insanity bullshit. 1405 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:51.559 Her play like for a few minutes with me, and 1406 00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:53.880 she's like, this is like the video game equivalent of 1407 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:56.679 just like putting your forearm against the keyboard and just 1408 00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:59.800 like rubbing it back and forth. A bunch of shit 1409 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.679 opening here, Like yeah, I uh, I don't know if 1410 01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:05.159 I'll play much more of this. I like that there's 1411 01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:07.599 a lot of unlockables and variety and stuff. I'm kind 1412 01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:11.400 of intrigued by the single players stories story mode, but 1413 01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:13.840 it's just kind of a lot of nonsense, maybe in 1414 01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:14.400 the bad way. 1415 01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:18.440 All right, well, I'm more likely to play Metroid Primes 1416 01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:19.760 four if I had to choose. 1417 01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:21.360 That's a better and I will say that is a 1418 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:21.840 better game. 1419 01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:26.679 Yes, all right, Mary, you played something called good Night Universe. 1420 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.280 Yeah, this is really cool and I don't know if 1421 01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:32.360 you guys have heard of this game, but I'm really 1422 01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:33.880 excited to talk about it. 1423 01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:35.920 Oh. This is made. 1424 01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:40.800 By the same people who made Before Your Eyes, which 1425 01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:43.719 was an eye tracking where you start as a baby 1426 01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:47.760 and every time you blink, you go possibly five seconds, 1427 01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:50.599 possibly five years into the future of your life. And 1428 01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:54.000 so the game is in a way and directly trying 1429 01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:57.199 to train you, you know, be careful of blinking too 1430 01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:59.320 fast because your life is going to flash before your eyes. 1431 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:02.000 And so it's a very provoking game. Good Night Universe 1432 01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:05.360 is their second game. Uh, Similarly, you do start as 1433 01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:08.760 a baby, but you remain a baby throughout the entire 1434 01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:11.679 period of this game. This isn't about flashing forward through time. 1435 01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:16.239 This also tracks your eyes and it tracks your emotions, 1436 01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:17.920 which I thought was really cute. So if you laugh 1437 01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:20.199 in the game as a baby, you laugh. If you cry, 1438 01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:23.559 your baby cries, which is kind of cute. So yeah, 1439 01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.559 it has it has like a camera track on it, 1440 01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:31.480 so anytime I was like, my baby would cry and 1441 01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:33.480 the mom would be like, it's okay, honey, it would 1442 01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:35.639 like take care of me. I thought that was a 1443 01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:36.519 cute little gimmick. 1444 01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:38.039 A cigarette. 1445 01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:42.519 It only does happiness and sadness. It doesn't smoking, which 1446 01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:43.679 you cannot do as a baby. 1447 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:44.639 I would try to break it. 1448 01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:49.480 Yeah, yeah, like Inject Heroin. No, it's not that type 1449 01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:53.159 of game. It's more like simple. But it also tracks 1450 01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:55.599 your face stop trying to jack off. 1451 01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:58.119 The audio listener Mike Maharty was doing the jack off 1452 01:01:58.159 --> 01:01:59.519 motion a baby. 1453 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:01.920 Yeah, I got started young. 1454 01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:06.800 But it tracks your head, which is important mechanically to 1455 01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:10.440 something that happens. So I'm gonna try to not go 1456 01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:12.400 too far in this story because it goes a lot 1457 01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:17.440 deeper than before. Your eyes this game story progresses dramatically, 1458 01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:19.880 and I actually really like that about this game. So 1459 01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:21.760 at the very beginning, what I will say is is 1460 01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:25.239 you are a baby, and it starts literally from like 1461 01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:33.559 you coming out into the world and learning very early 1462 01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:38.679 that you are cognitively basically an adult. You understand people, 1463 01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:42.639 you could react to them, but your baby actions are 1464 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.280 very limited, and so your parents will be saying, like, 1465 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:46.519 what do you want to be when you grow up? 1466 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:48.639 A firefighter? And you're like, no, I want to like 1467 01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:51.000 be a doctor, like I want to do all these 1468 01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:54.239 other things. Know, all your baby can say is like 1469 01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:57.519 googu gaga, and so you're very limited with what you 1470 01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:01.840 can output into the world. Cognitively, you are very smart, 1471 01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:02.440 and so. 1472 01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:05.480 That how you you as the player or the baby 1473 01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:06.679 character is smart both. 1474 01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:09.519 I mean, like you are also smart Dan, like a. 1475 01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:12.119 Baby that was like cognitively, were you like a smart 1476 01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:14.000 adult that got turned into a baby? 1477 01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:17.039 Like, yes, how do they like you? Yes, that's what happens. 1478 01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:19.800 I mean you will have to play the game to 1479 01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:23.239 really understand how you got there. But the concept of 1480 01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:25.360 this game is that you are obviously way too smart 1481 01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:27.400 to be in a baby's body, Like what's going on 1482 01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:30.880 something is wrong, right, Essentially that you are so smart 1483 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:33.719 that you are self aware. You're not supposed to be 1484 01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:36.239 self aware until like you're like six or seven, and 1485 01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.000 all of a sudden you realize that you're self conscious. Yeah, 1486 01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:42.719 somewhere when your frontal lobe develops around twenty four. Until 1487 01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:46.000 then you're just you're just a meat bag. In this game, 1488 01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:50.440 you are thoughtful and aware and functioning. You are aware 1489 01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:52.519 that you love your parents. You know that your sister 1490 01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:56.599 is smart, but like she she's like an angsty teen, right, 1491 01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:58.840 and so she's going through all these problems. And then 1492 01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:04.079 you also start to develop these skill sets so moderately 1493 01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:05.760 through the game. So I'm not going to go too 1494 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:08.159 far because again we're going to get into spoiler territory, 1495 01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:11.000 but I will acknowledge moderately through the game you start 1496 01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:15.719 to develop some type of powers that will impact the 1497 01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:17.400 world and the people around you. And I think that's 1498 01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:19.440 really when the game starts to take off. You do 1499 01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:22.920 shit your pants in this game, Yeah, this is expected. 1500 01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:25.679 There are like there are like standard things that I 1501 01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:28.119 think babies do that you do in this game, like 1502 01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:31.360 poop yourself. But then all of a sudden you'll realize 1503 01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:34.920 that if you concentrate hard enough, sometimes you can hear 1504 01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:37.639 people's thoughts. And so this is where the face tracking 1505 01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:40.800 comes in, because the game will ask you to close 1506 01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:42.679 your eyes, and the game tracks your eyes so it 1507 01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:45.039 knows when you close your eyes, and then you'll turn 1508 01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:47.559 your head. And turning your head is like a radio 1509 01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:49.920 dial So as I turn my head to the left, 1510 01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:52.599 you'll hear like different waveforms and different sounds. And as 1511 01:04:52.599 --> 01:04:54.519 you turn your head to the right, you'll turn the 1512 01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:58.239 exact frequency of your sister's thoughts and you'll hear what 1513 01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:00.960 she's thinking at any given time. And it's actually quite 1514 01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:04.480 well written and cheeky. There'll be these like situations where 1515 01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:06.320 your parents are fighting and you'll turn your head to 1516 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:08.119 like hear what your dad is thinking through this fight, 1517 01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:12.280 and it's it's like really, it's it's funny and interesting. 1518 01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.559 I think the dialogue is quite brilliant. It gets really good, 1519 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:18.039 especially towards the end, where you're like, I cannot believe 1520 01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:21.760 it has gotten this far in the story, Like I 1521 01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:23.880 didn't know that I was gonna take this turn. So 1522 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:27.880 I encourage you not to dive too far into videos 1523 01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:30.320 because I don't want you to spoil yourself. But I 1524 01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:33.400 loved it. I loved this journey of being a baby 1525 01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:36.079 that's like too smart for its own good and figuring 1526 01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:38.360 out how I'm gonna like tell my I'm trying to 1527 01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:40.239 tell my family that I'm really smart. I'm trying to 1528 01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:42.960 figure out I'm trying to protect my sister because she 1529 01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:45.039 has a boy over and I don't like him, and 1530 01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:47.119 it's like, how do you how do you like scare 1531 01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:49.760 this guy as a smart baby? But you're not fully 1532 01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:52.440 in control of your body yet. It's really it's really cool. 1533 01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:54.679 Do you get prompts like when you are closing your 1534 01:05:54.679 --> 01:05:56.559 eyes and turning your head, is there like a like 1535 01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:59.599 tuning in kind of audio for something. 1536 01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:01.280 There's like ann think about it. Think about like turning 1537 01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:05.280 a knob on an actual radio, and then all of 1538 01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:07.559 a sudden you hear like your sister's voice. That's kind 1539 01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:12.039 of what it does. Same thing for being able to uh, 1540 01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:14.039 maybe you're not in the room, but you want to 1541 01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:16.440 know what your mom's up to. You can start to 1542 01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:18.159 do stuff like that too, or you'll like close your 1543 01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:20.000 eyes and as long as you're looking in the right direction, 1544 01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:22.280 all of a sudden, like something will happen and you'll 1545 01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:25.320 see what your mom is up to, or maybe you 1546 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:29.920 can like move stuff like it gets pretty cool as 1547 01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:30.639 you progress. 1548 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:32.559 Yeah, I think it's cool that they're, like you said, 1549 01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:35.360 this is the same developer as the Behind Your Eyes game. 1550 01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:36.480 Yeah, Before Your Eyes. 1551 01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:37.280 Yeah, yeah, I. 1552 01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:39.239 Think that's a cool gimmick of Like I've always liked 1553 01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:42.519 the idea of like incorporating like you know, like bach 1554 01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:44.280 Tie had a solar panel on it and you had 1555 01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:45.880 to go outside to charge your gun, Like I like 1556 01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:48.239 any outside the box type stuff where it's like game 1557 01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.079 mechanics utilizing like a camera or something like this. Then 1558 01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:52.039 that sounds really cool to me. 1559 01:06:52.679 --> 01:06:56.320 It's underappreciated in my opinion. I don't think a lot 1560 01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:59.880 of people are talking about it, but I was. I was, 1561 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:03.480 so I really enjoyed the ride, and I think this 1562 01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:07.280 game was about four to five hours. This is not 1563 01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:11.320 a long experience. So this is an evening for you 1564 01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:14.760 to enjoy a beautiful story of a family that loves 1565 01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:18.679 a baby that's too smart, and you, as the baby, 1566 01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:22.559 get to decide the fate of this family and your journey. 1567 01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:26.440 You get to learn a lot about the dynamics of 1568 01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:30.079 what a loving parent relationship is like, especially when they're 1569 01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:34.719 under an extraordinary amount of pressure from external forces, a 1570 01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:37.800 lot of good family dynamics. It takes some interesting turns. 1571 01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:43.000 I didn't love all of the different what I'm gonna say, 1572 01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:46.320 like they took risks as game designers. I could tell 1573 01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:48.960 they said, ooh, we're going to try and do this 1574 01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:50.639 and se if it works. And I didn't love all 1575 01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:54.159 of them. But I do love risky design. I love 1576 01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:57.440 that these guys tried something very different than Before Your Eyes. 1577 01:07:57.480 --> 01:07:59.400 They like pushed it to the limit on this. One 1578 01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:03.360 of it works, some of it doesn't. I still think 1579 01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:05.840 this is an excellent game, and I do I would 1580 01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:08.400 love more people to have this experience, especially for a 1581 01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:10.440 four hour game, like give this a try. 1582 01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:12.760 I'm surprised it only has like four hundred and seventy 1583 01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:16.079 Steam reviews considering how much press Before Your Eyes got. 1584 01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:19.319 I agree, and I to hear about it before it 1585 01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:21.840 came out. It does more than Before Your Eyes did, 1586 01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:24.199 Like quite frankly, I mean it just does. I think 1587 01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:27.479 it's just so much more, uh with the idea of 1588 01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:31.520 like what can you do with eye tracking and uh 1589 01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:34.199 face tracking? Because it knows where I'm looking and it 1590 01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:36.239 knows when I'm happier, said, I will say some of 1591 01:08:36.279 --> 01:08:38.039 it is more gimmicky than others, right, Like the fact 1592 01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:41.239 that I can like make my baby cry is funny. 1593 01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:45.439 Is it dramatically like alter my gameplay experience? No, Like 1594 01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:48.720 you could have just hit you know, see for cry, 1595 01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:51.920 and instead I go, I like this. But I think 1596 01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:55.920 it's funny that a couple times my mom is asking 1597 01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:59.760 me like, do you like it? And I, instinctively, because 1598 01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:02.319 a mom is asking me, I go, yeah, I like it, 1599 01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:03.600 and my baby laughs. 1600 01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:06.079 Your actual mom is there right now? Are you talking 1601 01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:07.399 about the game mom or real. 1602 01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:08.479 My real mom? 1603 01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:13.199 My video game mom is like interacting with me as 1604 01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:15.159 a baby, and it makes me laugh. And so when 1605 01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:17.039 I laugh, my baby laughs. And I thought that was 1606 01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:20.560 kind of funny because I wasn't just it wasn't just 1607 01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:23.079 a controller of me saying I like it. I actually 1608 01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:27.960 it actually captured my genuine smile in a situation and 1609 01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:30.439 then reflected that into the characters, and then they reacted 1610 01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.279 to my genuine smile. So I think that's neat. I 1611 01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:35.600 don't think that's like really the core mechanic of it. 1612 01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:37.399 I would say the highlights of this game is that. 1613 01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:39.239 I think it's really well written. I think it the 1614 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:44.319 dialogue is quite smart. The performances of all of the characters, 1615 01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:49.359 the sister, the mother, and the father are very good, 1616 01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:56.239 and they nailed what parents under extreme pressure and dress behave. 1617 01:09:56.439 --> 01:10:00.880 Like I think it's it's well written and executed. Yeah, 1618 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:03.800 it's just a good little story. Guys like, yeah, it's great. 1619 01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:10.760 That is good Night Universe by Developer. A nice dream. Uh, 1620 01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:13.039 I played Mary. 1621 01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:15.199 You talked more about ball CK's Pit last episode, and 1622 01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:17.800 Dan you had said you hadn't played it beforehand. I 1623 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:20.880 had been deciding which game to jump into prior to 1624 01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:23.640 last episode. Then you talking about ballas Pit convinced me 1625 01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:25.600 to try that. Oh my god, I like that game 1626 01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:26.319 a whole lot. 1627 01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:28.920 What do you love about it? I'm excited to talk 1628 01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:31.800 to them because, like I was kind of not that 1629 01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:33.600 I don't like it, but I liked it. But it's 1630 01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:38.039 just like it got a little repetitive. But there are 1631 01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:40.039 parts of it that I think are so addictive. 1632 01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:43.000 Yeah, I don't want to just spend the whole time 1633 01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.840 comparing it to Vampire Survivors, but obviously Vampire Survivors is 1634 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:47.960 the one that popularizes genre. Even though it wasn't the 1635 01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:50.920 first like quote unquote auto shooter or whatever you want 1636 01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:56.399 to call them. But I think this game's overall progression 1637 01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.199 clicks a lot better for me than Vampire Survivors. Vampire 1638 01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:02.520 Survivors wasn't really going for that in the sense that 1639 01:11:03.640 --> 01:11:06.800 if you beat like this mission, this map with Vampire Survivors, 1640 01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:09.960 you'll unlock the next map, or if you find this coffin, 1641 01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:11.079 you'll unlock this character. 1642 01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:12.680 It was very old school in the sense. 1643 01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:16.239 It wasn't completely pushing you in specific directions, whereas this 1644 01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:18.760 is very much like, all right, you have to beat 1645 01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:21.760 the current map with any number of characters in order 1646 01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:23.840 to get a COG, which is then going to upgrade 1647 01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:26.359 the lift that you're basically your village is built on 1648 01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:28.960 that you're taking down into the pit, at which point 1649 01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:31.520 you are then building out this roster of characters, which 1650 01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:34.039 you know, Vampire Survivors was very much about unlocking characters. 1651 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:38.960 Deep Rock Galactic Survivors was also about unlocking the new 1652 01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:42.279 that was more class based than specific characters. But I 1653 01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:44.479 like the character design here a lot. That's definitely kind 1654 01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:45.479 of the fuel marriage. 1655 01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:49.680 Yeah, maybe pushing you to try different characters. 1656 01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:51.880 Yeah, and then there's stuff I don't even want to 1657 01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:54.199 mention that we're like gameplay spoilers for me that I 1658 01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:56.199 had no idea you would be able to do like 1659 01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:59.159 synergy wise later on or ability wise that kind of 1660 01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:06.720 blow open the game. I don't always love the town 1661 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:09.319 building aspect. I mean there was parts where I was like, 1662 01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:12.319 at a certain point, you really don't need to design 1663 01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:15.359 your town in the most clever way. I basically will 1664 01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:18.439 just like build mines and wheat fields and forests around 1665 01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:20.520 certain buildings, and then I clump all my character buildings 1666 01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:23.199 around the Veteran's hut because that increases their XP gain. 1667 01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:26.319 Other than that, the buildings that I'm upgrading and the 1668 01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:29.399 new buildings I'm building that I need to construct by 1669 01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:32.600 bouncing my characters off of a lah brick, similar to 1670 01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:36.479 the actual in game gameplay in this game, it's very 1671 01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:39.560 much about like angles of bouncing balls or characters around. 1672 01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:43.760 I just put the buildings I needed to construct down 1673 01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:46.720 at the very bottom and then just machine gun bounce them. 1674 01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:49.840 But I appreciate it was more strategy needed in that point. 1675 01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:51.199 Like I never really felt like it got to a 1676 01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:52.560 point where it's like, oh, I have to do this 1677 01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:53.520 very in depth thing. 1678 01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:55.479 It's like, nah, it's all pretty basic, you know. 1679 01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:56.640 Yeah, it's funny. 1680 01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:58.279 It reminded me of Cull to the Lamb that had 1681 01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:01.079 this one action packed facet to it, which is the 1682 01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:06.520 dungeon delving dungeon crawling, and then it had the cult 1683 01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:09.119 building and town building back outside. 1684 01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:12.279 Ironically, they're both Devolver but now Ball x Pit. 1685 01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:16.439 Though the actual gameplay of the auto shooting I like 1686 01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:19.760 a lot, and there's recency bias at play, but I 1687 01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:23.279 do right now consider it to be more satisfying to 1688 01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:27.520 play than Vampire Survivors. I think Vampire Survivors there's more, 1689 01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:31.560 there's more room for you to for skill to come 1690 01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:35.680 into play. It's not the most demanding game, but there 1691 01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:40.119 are certain moments where it's like you can really start 1692 01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:44.199 turning the tide against these encroaching gargoyles by angling the 1693 01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:46.199 ball a bit better and really getting into those pockets 1694 01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:48.600 where it can bounce around between them for a while. 1695 01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:52.760 So there's a bit more agency in that regard. But 1696 01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:56.720 there are certain characters I unlocked and that I didn't 1697 01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.000 really recognize how powerful they could be, and I think 1698 01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:01.640 I mentioned that when we talk about Bilatro, I mentioned 1699 01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:04.039 that when we talk about Hades two, Like, I think 1700 01:14:04.079 --> 01:14:06.840 that's my mark of a good Rogue Light is you 1701 01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:10.399 can unlock a character or a weapon or something, and 1702 01:14:10.439 --> 01:14:12.600 it just seems useless at the time. But then the 1703 01:14:12.600 --> 01:14:14.199 more you get to know the game and the more 1704 01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:16.079 you see through the matrix, the more you realize they're 1705 01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:17.680 actually allowing you to break the game. 1706 01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:20.359 Sure, and you really can kind of break. 1707 01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:22.760 This game if you if you combine the right abilities 1708 01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:25.119 and whatnot and like upgrade a character the right way. 1709 01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:26.399 Yeah. 1710 01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:27.920 Did you play much MEGABONK? 1711 01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:28.720 Yes? 1712 01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:31.880 I like Mega Megabank was very much like to me 1713 01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:35.119 the embodiment of like, here, go break our game if 1714 01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:36.000 you want to right away. 1715 01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:38.239 Yeah. Yeah, because the things you're describing, like maybe think 1716 01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:40.479 of MEGABONK. Yeah, like yeah, come up during the Game 1717 01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:41.199 of the Year. I'm sure. 1718 01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:44.239 Yeah, Megabunk's also great, But yeah, No, I liked the 1719 01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:46.159 Ball x pits. I think overall, the thing that Ball 1720 01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:48.239 x Pit nails for me more than MEGABONC or band 1721 01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:53.000 Pire Survivors or Deep Rockyalactic Survivors is I think the 1722 01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:56.199 general Rogue Light progression works a bit better for me 1723 01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:58.840 where it's like I always felt like I accomplished something. 1724 01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:02.239 Vampire Survivors in your first like ten hours is very 1725 01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:04.319 good about that as well. But then I think I 1726 01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:06.560 at least hit a few walls in Vampire Survivors where 1727 01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:08.560 I'm like, oh man, I definitely need to google something. 1728 01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:11.399 There's some like nes Era secret stuff I need to 1729 01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:16.199 do to unlock these last few. But this one, it's like, okay, well, 1730 01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:19.760 I upgraded my statue that I built after I beat 1731 01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:23.119 the first map, because I beat that map with a character, 1732 01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:25.399 so I get, you know, better AoE damage or whatever 1733 01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:28.840 it is. Or I beat Snowy Shores again with this character, 1734 01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:32.640 and then I also ranked up that character specifically, and 1735 01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:34.800 then I can rank up the building that increases your 1736 01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:38.279 strength scaling. So it's very like catnip carrot on a 1737 01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:41.680 string between almost every match, I don't know that I 1738 01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:44.520 ever lost or completed a match went back to the 1739 01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:46.560 town and didn't have something unlocked. 1740 01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:52.600 Sure, but yeah, I like that game a lot. I played. 1741 01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:55.439 I have three characters I didn't unlock. I'm not sure 1742 01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:59.960 if they're going to require and I've unlocked up I've 1743 01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:02.640 I've collected a bunch of blueprints recently that were not 1744 01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:04.760 character buildings. So I'm not sure if there's some sort 1745 01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:07.119 of secret thing unlocking it or if I just really 1746 01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:08.800 need to keep playing more, but I think I will. 1747 01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:10.600 I'm going to try to unlock them all. I'll consider 1748 01:16:10.600 --> 01:16:11.399 that one hundred percent. 1749 01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:13.920 Once I do, that's what I'm going to go back to. 1750 01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:16.199 I think once, like all these kind of like big 1751 01:16:16.279 --> 01:16:19.239 games with like defined endings, I'm done with for the year. 1752 01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:20.880 I definitely want to go back to it because I 1753 01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:22.520 enjoyed every second Planet. 1754 01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:22.960 Yeah. 1755 01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:24.680 The last thing I'll say about it is I mentioned 1756 01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:26.920 there's certain like gameplay spoilers I don't even want to 1757 01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:29.640 touch on because I think this game is very good 1758 01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:32.800 about putting a twist on the gameplay in a way 1759 01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:36.039 that was not advertised and people didn't even tell me about. It. 1760 01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:38.159 Was like, oh my god, this completely changes how I 1761 01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:39.840 think about the game now and how I think about 1762 01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:44.119 ability synergies and how I think about upgrading this specific character. 1763 01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:47.680 So that's probably also like that's. 1764 01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:48.880 A huge thing for this game. That might be my 1765 01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:51.720 favorite thing about it. It's very good at constantly challenging 1766 01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:56.279 your assumptions. There's a lot more mileage on this game 1767 01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:58.800 than I initially thought. After unlocking like the first three 1768 01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:03.199 four characters. I like it a lot. 1769 01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:04.560 I'm glad you played it. 1770 01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:07.479 Yeah, No, it's great. Mary. 1771 01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:09.920 I want to ask you about Arc Raiders, but I'm 1772 01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:12.239 sure all of us will talk about that first. 1773 01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:14.479 Uh, what is Moonlighter two? 1774 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:20.000 Moonlighter two is the sequel to Moonlighter one. Ah, I 1775 01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:23.680 should for anyone who doesn't know Moonlighter. Moonlighter was a 1776 01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:26.800 kind of like a it almost looked like a pixel 1777 01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:33.119 ardy indie game that was half rogue Light half Uh, 1778 01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:35.920 what do you do it? Where you like make a 1779 01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:37.920 shop and you sell. 1780 01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:41.960 Stuff sim like like managed like market management sim. 1781 01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:42.640 Maybe market sim. 1782 01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:45.279 Yeah, And it was kind of like the first that 1783 01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:49.520 I ever played that did that really in an interesting 1784 01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:51.680 way where it was like go into the dungeon and 1785 01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:53.479 get all these cool little things and go to a 1786 01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:56.560 shop and sell it. And it's a cool concept. 1787 01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:56.760 Right. 1788 01:17:56.800 --> 01:17:59.199 So Moonlighter two builds on that a lot. Now, Moonlighter 1789 01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:03.159 two looks very different Moonlight or two. They went for 1790 01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:06.960 a I don't love it, but like I understand why 1791 01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:09.720 they needed to do it, which is like this like 1792 01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:13.680 type of three D art style is a lot easier 1793 01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:21.319 to probably work with and uh, visually. I just think 1794 01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:23.800 they're probably able to scale a lot more with this 1795 01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:29.079 type of art style. Nevertheless, it is the same concept 1796 01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:32.159 where you are going into a dungeon. The dungeon is 1797 01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:36.640 also even more rogue light than the first one, where 1798 01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:39.720 you're like, you get to choose out of three destinations 1799 01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:42.720 where you're going, like, Kaiti's too really, so you'll be like, 1800 01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:44.960 do you want to get a chessed? Do you want 1801 01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:47.000 to get something that upgrades your character for that run? 1802 01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:48.880 Do you want to get you know? So you get 1803 01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:51.319 to choose the location that you're going to. You have 1804 01:18:51.359 --> 01:18:53.760 to kill all the enemies. At the end of killing 1805 01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:57.039 all the enemies, you get an item. The item goes 1806 01:18:57.079 --> 01:19:00.359 into your storage. The storage is also a mini game, 1807 01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:04.840 which I find I like. So maybe some items that 1808 01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:07.319 are in your storage will upgrade everything in the row 1809 01:19:07.640 --> 01:19:10.119 or everything in the column, or maybe it burns the 1810 01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:12.439 thing to its right, but it eats it and like 1811 01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:16.159 improves it and makes it more valuable. So you're every 1812 01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:20.600 time you as you progress through this dungeon, you will 1813 01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:25.479 get too many items. They won't fit into your satchel anymore, 1814 01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:27.560 and so you have to choose which ones you want 1815 01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:30.479 or maybe you burn some of them to upgrade your 1816 01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:33.920 most favorite pieces, and then when you get home, you 1817 01:19:33.960 --> 01:19:35.840 take them and put them into your shop, and there's 1818 01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:40.119 an entire secondary mechanic of like pricing them appropriately. If 1819 01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:42.439 you price them too high, people tell you, go fuck yourself. 1820 01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:45.800 If you price them too low, you're basically losing precious money. 1821 01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:51.800 So putting them into your shop, pricing them, making sure 1822 01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:54.640 your shop is clean and looks good, and everybody wants 1823 01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:56.199 to pay you lots of money, and then you use 1824 01:19:56.239 --> 01:20:00.760 that money to upgrade your person, so getting more health upgrades, 1825 01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:06.680 you know, getting more potions, health potions and things like that. 1826 01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:11.640 Upgrading your weapons and eventually armor is kind of the loop. 1827 01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:16.199 So it's like, go get relics, sell relics, use relic 1828 01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:19.039 money to make yourself more badass, go in and do 1829 01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:21.680 it again. That's the mechanic. I think the loop is sick. 1830 01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:26.479 I think the concept of it is really good. Sometimes 1831 01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:29.119 I think the combat leaves a little bit to be desired. 1832 01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:33.720 I'm essentially hitting X a lot in this game, and 1833 01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:37.079 you have a combo if you hit X enough, and 1834 01:20:37.119 --> 01:20:39.279 so there's a more of a heavy move that you 1835 01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:43.319 can use. And my favorite is to use like a 1836 01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:46.479 distance move. Essentially you get to like shoot at enemies 1837 01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:49.920 from a distance. You can upgrade all of these in 1838 01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:53.840 your roguelike build, so as you progress sometimes they'll be like, hey, 1839 01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:57.720 we're gonna let you do critical hit chance twenty percent 1840 01:20:57.800 --> 01:21:02.279 more likely. Okay, that's sick, but it's only for that life. 1841 01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:05.119 After that you lose all those abilities, but you get 1842 01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:07.720 to keep your relics and take them home and sell them, 1843 01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:09.520 and then all the things you buy with your relic 1844 01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:10.920 money is permanent upgrades. 1845 01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:13.039 It's kind of reminded me of what you're describing of, 1846 01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:14.840 like a second time it's come up, but Cult of 1847 01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:17.640 the Lamb, where you know they had the two modes 1848 01:21:17.680 --> 01:21:19.760 to it, or it's like the in between. But then 1849 01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:22.279 I remember like liking Cult of the Lamb a lot, 1850 01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:24.279 But it was the part where I went out into 1851 01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:27.199 the combat and I was like this is pretty basic here. Yeah, 1852 01:21:27.399 --> 01:21:28.800 I like combat wise. 1853 01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:30.000 Now that I'm looking at it was like I did 1854 01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:31.840 play Moonlighter one Mary, I think you talked about it 1855 01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:32.560 a couple of years ago. 1856 01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:34.560 I fires case and. 1857 01:21:34.520 --> 01:21:36.720 I liked I loved the overall loop. It was the 1858 01:21:36.760 --> 01:21:38.520 moment to moment I was like, oh man, it's not 1859 01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:41.319 hooking me on a purely like kinetic sense. But I 1860 01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:45.319 did like all the interlocking systems, if not the minute 1861 01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:46.520 mechanics to it. 1862 01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:50.199 I think this is like exactly how I feel, and 1863 01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:52.720 I think this is like really valid responses to it, 1864 01:21:52.760 --> 01:21:55.159 which is just like this idea is awesome. It's such 1865 01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:57.720 a cool idea to go into a dungeon, get artifacts, 1866 01:21:57.720 --> 01:21:59.840 sell them, and then use it to like upgrade my character. 1867 01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:04.079 Love all this stuff the dungeon day to day. I'm like, 1868 01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:06.960 I've already beat these enemies four thousand times. I know 1869 01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:09.319 how they work. I know this system works. I don't 1870 01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:12.039 I don't get like I don't get my jolly's off 1871 01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:15.359 by like killing the same guys again and again and again. 1872 01:22:16.439 --> 01:22:19.399 But I do like testing different upgrades that you can 1873 01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:21.479 get in the system. That makes it more interesting. There's 1874 01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:24.119 a lot more variation now where they'll be like, okay, 1875 01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:28.800 and this one you have blight, or you have like, uh, 1876 01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:31.399 you you have like some kind of curse effect on 1877 01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:34.640 your on your heavy attack, So I use my heavy 1878 01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:38.119 attack more because of that, or like I was saying earlier, 1879 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:39.520 like maybe you do one where you get like a 1880 01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:43.920 more extreme crit chance. I think there's there. They're obviously 1881 01:22:43.960 --> 01:22:46.159 trying to make the combat more interesting, and I do 1882 01:22:46.199 --> 01:22:48.520 think they put more energy into that in this game. 1883 01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:52.359 It's just that with Cults of the Lamb, if you're 1884 01:22:52.399 --> 01:22:53.960 going to compare it to that, Culture of the Lamb 1885 01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:58.600 had like so much personality, you do exactly what it 1886 01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:02.199 was because it was so distinct. You had your cult 1887 01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:06.319 members like eat shit and stuff like that. This still 1888 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:10.000 is like looking to find its core identity. I think 1889 01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:13.079 I don't know if it has that same very clear 1890 01:23:13.399 --> 01:23:16.960 identity grab, but I think for people who are looking 1891 01:23:17.119 --> 01:23:22.359 for an addictive loop, this has it. It has an addictive, 1892 01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:25.359 very easy to follow loop. If you're like I just 1893 01:23:25.439 --> 01:23:27.159 want to play a game and I want a very 1894 01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:30.000 clear understanding of what I'm meant to do, I could 1895 01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:32.039 explain this to you in five minutes, and you can 1896 01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:34.000 go out there and go into the dungeon, and even 1897 01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:36.920 if you die, you get to like scrape together a 1898 01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:40.439 couple of your relics. You can also leave the dungeon 1899 01:23:40.479 --> 01:23:42.039 at any time, which I think is kind of cool, 1900 01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:44.680 Like you don't have to complete the dungeon to be successful. 1901 01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:46.239 You can be like I'm OUDI like I don't want 1902 01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:50.159 to do you have to keep it. Yeah, it's fine. 1903 01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:54.119 The value, it's like a risk of rain situation where 1904 01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:56.039 like you kind of want to keep going because obviously 1905 01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:59.199 there's better loot the further you go. Also, as you 1906 01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:01.439 get loot, you get to sacrifice some of your loot 1907 01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:04.159 to other loot. That makes it stronger, so you're getting 1908 01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:08.079 better artifacts if you stick around. Also, the enemies get 1909 01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:10.600 more interesting. There's a boss fight halfway through, and there's 1910 01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:12.399 a big boss fight at the end, and both of 1911 01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:15.520 those drop like better items, better artifacts for you to sell. 1912 01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:19.840 So it's intriguing to stick around. But ultimately, if you're 1913 01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:22.079 just like a little bit of a baby, you can 1914 01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:24.520 do a couple, take them home and sell them and 1915 01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:26.640 live to fight another day. And that's cool too. 1916 01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:27.880 Yeah. 1917 01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:31.439 I was gonna say, anytime I see like item inventory management, 1918 01:24:31.479 --> 01:24:34.079 I think of Dredge now, which I love. Dredge is 1919 01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:35.680 another game where I had those two layers of the 1920 01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:39.520 inventory management and the actual fishing, which those two were 1921 01:24:39.680 --> 01:24:41.399 pretty very closely intertwined. 1922 01:24:41.399 --> 01:24:42.520 But such a good game. 1923 01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:43.520 Yeah, I love. 1924 01:24:44.039 --> 01:24:45.840 Those are some of my favorite games these days that 1925 01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:48.159 do that really well when they combine those two things, 1926 01:24:49.159 --> 01:24:52.279 And yeah, I might try and moon later two because 1927 01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:54.079 I did like the first one for its part. 1928 01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:56.279 Dred You guys are really comparing it to games that 1929 01:24:56.439 --> 01:24:59.399 just like have personality for days, like Cult, the Lamb 1930 01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:03.680 and Dredge. Are these like super iconic When you describe them, 1931 01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:07.000 people know exactly where you are and what you're talking about, right, 1932 01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:10.159 like like evil deathfish like coming at you, and like 1933 01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:13.039 you know a cult situation where people are eating their 1934 01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:15.960 own poop and you're sacrificing them. This one, like, I 1935 01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:18.960 don't know if it's as easy to describe the world 1936 01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:21.560 building for this one. There is a story, but I 1937 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:23.880 don't know if it grabs me in the same way 1938 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:26.359 as those other games. I think the hook of this 1939 01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:30.119 game that is valuable is its simplistic loop that is 1940 01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:32.520 addictive to get a couple artifacts and sell them in 1941 01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:35.680 a shop. I will say that like often when I 1942 01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:39.880 am getting cool shit in a game. I love the 1943 01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:43.119 role playing of being like, oh man, I would love 1944 01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:45.319 to like sell this in at a little place and 1945 01:25:45.399 --> 01:25:47.479 like have people come and look at my wares and 1946 01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:51.720 buy them. It's fun to open a shop and clean 1947 01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:53.960 it up. If you look at any screenshots from it, 1948 01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:56.560 like I have a little rumba that keeps my shop 1949 01:25:56.600 --> 01:25:59.640 tidy and replaces my items for me I have. There's 1950 01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:02.239 just like little characters at play that I think makes 1951 01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:05.279 my shop really fun to keep up. So I can 1952 01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:07.880 tell what they're doing and how they've built upon the 1953 01:26:07.880 --> 01:26:10.880 first game, and I really appreciate how they've grown this. 1954 01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:14.600 I think it still needs a little bit more in 1955 01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:17.840 the sense of, like, what makes this so distinct that 1956 01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:20.600 it's so obvious when you're describing it to someone that 1957 01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:23.760 you're like, what a unique world building system? And I 1958 01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:25.640 don't know if it's honed in on that yet, but 1959 01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:28.399 I do love I do love the loop. I think 1960 01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:32.159 this is a brilliant concept of running into a dungeon, 1961 01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:34.920 getting stuff and selling it at my little shop. I 1962 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:36.720 love that. I'll never get sick of that. 1963 01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:38.319 Right. 1964 01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:43.399 That is Moonlighter too, Dan, you played a game called 1965 01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:44.239 and Roger. 1966 01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:48.399 Yeah, very briefly here because I don't want to spoil anything. 1967 01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:49.960 It's kind of hard to talk about it spoiling. So 1968 01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:52.279 if you're curious about this, maybe skip like two or 1969 01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:55.039 three minutes ahead. But this is another like you know, 1970 01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:57.479 I talked about Consume Me recently. I guess you could 1971 01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:00.840 categorize it as like an empathy game. This one you 1972 01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:03.279 can play through in like forty five minutes, maybe an 1973 01:27:03.319 --> 01:27:10.600 hour indiegame. Beautiful animation, incredible animation, and I don't want 1974 01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:13.039 to say too much because kind of going through the 1975 01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:16.199 story and is a huge part of this. And again 1976 01:27:16.239 --> 01:27:19.399 it's a very small time commitment. If you're even remotely curious, 1977 01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:22.680 I will just say I very much related to it 1978 01:27:22.760 --> 01:27:26.239 as if you have ever dealt with a family member 1979 01:27:26.520 --> 01:27:28.520 or you know, I guess more often you know, it's 1980 01:27:28.600 --> 01:27:33.039 usually like an elderly family member that is dealing with dementia, Alzheimer's, 1981 01:27:33.119 --> 01:27:40.000 anything like that. It is along those lines and the 1982 01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:45.840 ways it uses game mechanics to illustrate certain things about 1983 01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:50.840 how difficult you know, those omens can be. This does 1984 01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:56.760 a It does a really like beautiful job of communicating that. 1985 01:27:57.159 --> 01:28:00.319 And also, you know, the animation is just visually musing. 1986 01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:04.359 Everything is beautiful. But also it is very smart with 1987 01:28:04.399 --> 01:28:08.279 how it incorporates the game parts of it into trying 1988 01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:14.439 to convey the uh, you know, frustration of memory and 1989 01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:17.399 uh you know, I'm trying not to say too much here, 1990 01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:18.600 but it's yeah, you. 1991 01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:20.880 Have spoiled but I get I think I'm getting what 1992 01:28:20.920 --> 01:28:22.920 you're picking up as well, because if you're doing like 1993 01:28:23.159 --> 01:28:25.720 let's say, I'm just assuming that you're doing like a 1994 01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:28.640 consistent mechanic and then it's like not working the way 1995 01:28:28.680 --> 01:28:31.760 you expected it to. That's reflecting what it's like to 1996 01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:36.239 not understand yes, or have dementia yourself maybe, which is 1997 01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:39.239 like I expect that I know what this system should 1998 01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:41.159 do when I'm brushing my teeth or when I'm brushing 1999 01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:41.479 my hair. 2000 01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:43.840 It's amazing that you do the brushing my teeth thing 2001 01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:47.000 because it's that's consistent. But that is also say, that's 2002 01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:48.600 one of the early ones that they do, is the 2003 01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:50.960 brushing the teeth thing, and like it, it is a 2004 01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:54.319 thing that is expressed in using game mechanics, I think 2005 01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:56.680 better than like a short film or something you would 2006 01:28:56.680 --> 01:28:59.079 be able to do. So if that sounds at all 2007 01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:02.159 intriguing or interest to you, I would recommend checking out. 2008 01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:03.039 I think it does a very good. 2009 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:03.600 Job with that. 2010 01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:08.439 I love this. It's also five dollars now it's forty 2011 01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:11.600 five minutes. But like I always look at games as 2012 01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:16.119 is this a wonderful evening experience, you know, for the price. 2013 01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:18.039 That's what I always look at it, not hour, but 2014 01:29:18.079 --> 01:29:20.000 like I always do the movie what I enjoy and eat. 2015 01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:21.279 Yeah, I do the movie thing. 2016 01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:23.800 It's like Bonk and I just bought Avatar tickets for 2017 01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:25.800 when it comes out, and it's like that was fifty 2018 01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:28.439 two dollars for two people for I mean, granted it's 2019 01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:30.279 a very long movie, but still you break down the 2020 01:29:30.319 --> 01:29:32.840 hours to the time, it's like, I don't know, five 2021 01:29:32.880 --> 01:29:34.960 bucks for forty five minutes or an hour of a 2022 01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:36.640 game doesn't seem too bad. 2023 01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:41.359 You know, yeah, absolutely not. I think that's totally worth it. It's cool. Hopefully, 2024 01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:44.680 would you say it's sad, I will just like ask like, okay. 2025 01:29:44.479 --> 01:29:46.880 Yeah, I mean in the way I always. 2026 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:49.000 To prepare myself for like an emotional I'll. 2027 01:29:48.880 --> 01:29:50.920 Just say, like anyone who's dealt with, like you know, 2028 01:29:51.399 --> 01:29:54.359 family members with dementia or Alzheimer's, it's rarely the like 2029 01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:56.720 and then they were all better. You know, it's not 2030 01:29:57.199 --> 01:29:59.399 you know, it's it's a pretty realistic depiction of that. 2031 01:29:59.479 --> 01:29:59.680 You know. 2032 01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:03.239 I was looking if the dev ever played any or 2033 01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:07.359 made anything, and I just like don't see them have 2034 01:30:07.479 --> 01:30:11.359 any history of games in the past. But I've played 2035 01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:13.520 like iPhone games that do stuff like that that kind 2036 01:30:13.560 --> 01:30:17.319 of like subvert your expectation with mundane everyday tasks and 2037 01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:19.159 then alter them slightly to mess with you. 2038 01:30:19.800 --> 01:30:20.520 It's kind of that. 2039 01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:23.680 And I will also say, like, similar to consumeing, it 2040 01:30:23.720 --> 01:30:25.840 does have a little bit of a turn at one 2041 01:30:25.880 --> 01:30:28.359 point that is kind of like, I mean, it seems 2042 01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:30.079 like a personal story for sure, so I'm not going 2043 01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:32.479 to slight it for that, but it's just like, oh, okay, 2044 01:30:32.600 --> 01:30:34.199 well now we got this extra element here that I 2045 01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:37.840 wasn't really I don't know we were going there, but yeah, 2046 01:30:37.880 --> 01:30:39.840 I won't say too much, but yeah, very very similar 2047 01:30:39.880 --> 01:30:41.319 to consume me in a couple of ways. 2048 01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:42.600 So that's cool. 2049 01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:46.439 I really appreciate that type of recommendation, especially for like 2050 01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:49.840 an evening, you know, like so often I'm like, oh, 2051 01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:51.560 I just want to like play a game, but I'm 2052 01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:53.960 like also kind of sitting on the couch casually and 2053 01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:56.000 maybe there's like something in the background on TV. I 2054 01:30:56.039 --> 01:30:58.399 just want to play something. That's how I was playing Moonlighter, 2055 01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:01.560 by the way. It was like, ah, I'm watching Rudo, 2056 01:31:01.720 --> 01:31:03.319 and like it's nice to just have like a little 2057 01:31:03.319 --> 01:31:05.520 game that I can also play simultaneously. 2058 01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:07.600 And like, Mary, I follow your Instagram. 2059 01:31:07.600 --> 01:31:09.800 It seems like you're either like on a mountain with 2060 01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:13.319 Simone or you're getting like horny about Naruto characters or something. 2061 01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:16.640 I don't know who's this guy? Who's this? I can 2062 01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:20.039 fix some guy Gara. It seems like you've been posting 2063 01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:23.239 a lot about him lately. Hill tell us about him. 2064 01:31:23.279 --> 01:31:29.600 Gara's a freak and a half. Gara's a misunderstood villain 2065 01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:35.439 in Naruto. He has a like a tub on his back, 2066 01:31:35.680 --> 01:31:38.920 like a like a clay pot, and it contains sand, 2067 01:31:39.079 --> 01:31:42.039 and he can use his chucklate to alter the sand, 2068 01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:44.239 and then the sand can wrap around people, and then 2069 01:31:44.279 --> 01:31:47.159 he uses sand coffin to crush them to death and 2070 01:31:47.159 --> 01:31:49.680 then consume them. And so when he releases his sand, 2071 01:31:49.680 --> 01:31:52.960 it smells like blood because it's basically stained with the 2072 01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:55.600 blood of his enemies that he's killed over his over 2073 01:31:55.640 --> 01:31:59.600 the years. He doesn't know love, so he has like 2074 01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:03.920 no oh joy, and he has like he basically says 2075 01:32:03.960 --> 01:32:06.640 his purpose in life is to kill because he doesn't 2076 01:32:06.680 --> 01:32:11.720 know what love is. And I think I can fix him. 2077 01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:14.000 He really skipped over a lot of middle ground there. 2078 01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:15.680 I don't know what love is, so I'm just gonna 2079 01:32:15.720 --> 01:32:16.279 kill everybody. 2080 01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:18.760 I mean, what's what's desirable about this character? And why 2081 01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:19.720 do you want to fix this guy? 2082 01:32:20.079 --> 01:32:21.439 I just think he's neat. 2083 01:32:23.039 --> 01:32:27.239 He is pretty speaking of that Simpson's Fortnite, keep kicking ass, Simpsons, 2084 01:32:27.640 --> 01:32:28.479 It's incredible. 2085 01:32:29.319 --> 01:32:32.319 Holy shit, I unlocked Marge Mary today. 2086 01:32:32.359 --> 01:32:34.399 I was thinking about spending like thirty fucking bucks on 2087 01:32:34.439 --> 01:32:40.079 Itchy and Scratchy. 2088 01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:43.840 Such a tangent. I don't know, Yeah, I just think 2089 01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:48.439 they're neat. Listen, who's to say what what awakens something 2090 01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:51.680 inside of us? But when sixteen year old Mary watched 2091 01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:55.560 Narudo probably older than that, for the first time, and 2092 01:32:55.640 --> 01:32:58.159 I laid my hands on Gara, who does have like 2093 01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:00.920 heavy eyeliner and looks like an emo boy, I was like, 2094 01:33:01.159 --> 01:33:04.600 uh uh, this better not awaken anything inside of me. 2095 01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:08.319 And it did. It did, And watching Arudo again, this 2096 01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:10.960 is like my second round watching Naruto from the beginning, 2097 01:33:11.439 --> 01:33:18.960 I have forgotten how impactful Gara was to my awakening. 2098 01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:23.039 So so you're what you're saying, is Nerudo is your 2099 01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:23.720 be dazzled? 2100 01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:28.600 Yeah, Gara specifically is Yeah. 2101 01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:29.840 Okay, I understand that. 2102 01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:34.359 This is like that scene and it's always sunny where 2103 01:33:34.359 --> 01:33:35.640 it's like I get it now. 2104 01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:45.119 Who's Who's Who's the Zenya in Nerudo Gara? No, no, everything, no, 2105 01:33:45.159 --> 01:33:47.279 not but yet the public. 2106 01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:49.720 I don't know what I meant. I just want to 2107 01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:51.279 talk about Yeah. 2108 01:33:52.359 --> 01:33:58.000 Yeah, we are going to be doing a recording bonus 2109 01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:00.359 episode of Arc Raiders. So if you, if you're not 2110 01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:03.399 a patron, like I mentioned earlier, you should go subscribe 2111 01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:05.119 because the three of us are going to play it 2112 01:34:05.159 --> 01:34:07.640 after this recording. However, Mary, you did write it down 2113 01:34:07.720 --> 01:34:09.000 to talk about it tonight. 2114 01:34:09.119 --> 01:34:10.880 I've just been playing a little bit of our Creators 2115 01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:13.960 and Dan, I know you've played it and you've talked 2116 01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:16.520 about it. I haven't talked about it because I did 2117 01:34:16.520 --> 01:34:18.600 not play it, and I've been kind of itching to 2118 01:34:18.680 --> 01:34:21.960 try it. I get it. I get why everybody's like 2119 01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:25.520 really excited about it. Is such an incredible solve to 2120 01:34:25.600 --> 01:34:28.680 so many other gaming problems. Of like, I'll be so 2121 01:34:28.840 --> 01:34:31.560 devastated if I lose my lute. But this game has 2122 01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:34.720 cracked the code with some free Essentially, you can have 2123 01:34:34.760 --> 01:34:39.600 like free loot every time you go top side, which 2124 01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:44.359 lets me feel less vulnerable or less upset when I 2125 01:34:44.399 --> 01:34:49.000 get murked by some rando online. It's okay to die 2126 01:34:49.039 --> 01:34:51.239 in this game. Because you can always have a free 2127 01:34:51.239 --> 01:34:53.880 load out to solve it. I just I think mechanically, 2128 01:34:53.880 --> 01:34:56.520 what I'm saying is, I think they solved an issue 2129 01:34:56.520 --> 01:34:59.239 that other games had, and it allows me to laugh 2130 01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:01.560 when I get killed. When I get killed in this game, 2131 01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:03.840 I am not fucking pissed off. I'm like, you won, 2132 01:35:04.279 --> 01:35:07.039 You're better take take my stuff. I'll just get another 2133 01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:07.720 free load out. 2134 01:35:07.720 --> 01:35:09.600 It's okay, But you know it's so smart too. Is 2135 01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:11.800 the free load out thing is great? But also the 2136 01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:14.039 safe pocket. So it's like, let's see you find some 2137 01:35:14.239 --> 01:35:16.840 one of a kind legendary thing. It's like, all right, 2138 01:35:16.880 --> 01:35:19.039 I'll put this over here, so even if I die 2139 01:35:19.039 --> 01:35:20.800 and lose everything else, I still have that. 2140 01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:22.920 Like it makes just a lot of smart little one. 2141 01:35:22.840 --> 01:35:25.319 Hundred percent Where do you think the safe pocket is? 2142 01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:30.439 But he put it in his ass? I think he is. 2143 01:35:32.239 --> 01:35:34.399 It's one hundred percent your butt. And I think it's 2144 01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:37.479 awesome that if you find a pocket watch that is 2145 01:35:37.560 --> 01:35:38.920 super valuable. 2146 01:35:38.840 --> 01:35:41.039 You can keep it, but you expand it too. 2147 01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:43.079 So is that like you're just going go see to 2148 01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:44.840 get some more fucking rubber parts in there. 2149 01:35:45.159 --> 01:35:47.119 I just think you stretch it out over time. 2150 01:35:47.479 --> 01:35:49.239 I guess he didn't want them to get his watch, 2151 01:35:49.279 --> 01:35:51.640 so he took it and he shoved it up his ass. 2152 01:35:53.119 --> 01:35:55.159 It's a really that is a really great that you 2153 01:35:55.199 --> 01:35:59.079 can tell that these guys the developers are gamers and 2154 01:35:59.119 --> 01:36:00.760 we're like, this game is reat, but you know it 2155 01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:03.399 would make it a little better, and they're just solving 2156 01:36:03.439 --> 01:36:06.560 these little core pieces that allow you to have more joy. 2157 01:36:07.279 --> 01:36:09.680 I also think this game is really fun to watch 2158 01:36:09.720 --> 01:36:12.079 other people play, especially people who are very good I am. 2159 01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:16.520 I will self admittedly say I'm not excellent at this game. 2160 01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:20.159 I'm making lots of mistakes. I was like dying all 2161 01:36:20.199 --> 01:36:24.319 sorts of terrible ways because I I just make mistakes 2162 01:36:24.359 --> 01:36:27.760 all the time, but I don't have the stress of 2163 01:36:28.039 --> 01:36:30.800 losing everything that's precious to me. Every time you go 2164 01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:32.920 top side, you gain a little bit, you learn a 2165 01:36:32.960 --> 01:36:35.520 little bit, and you can always put one secret item 2166 01:36:35.560 --> 01:36:37.720 in your secret pocket, and there's. 2167 01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:38.880 A skill tree and all that stuff. 2168 01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:43.159 Yeah, totally, you're learning either way, no matter what. But 2169 01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:45.079 I like watching people who are very good at the 2170 01:36:45.079 --> 01:36:48.039 game because it's excellent to watch. There are so many 2171 01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:49.720 things that I'm afraid of in that game, not just 2172 01:36:49.760 --> 01:36:53.000 like the human beings that are obviously all terrible, but 2173 01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:56.239 there's these ex spiders that are mechanically they're insane and 2174 01:36:56.279 --> 01:37:00.199 they jump at you and like one shot. You watching 2175 01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:02.199 people who've been playing this game for over two hundred 2176 01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:05.720 hours be able to take down these spiders awesome. It's 2177 01:37:05.880 --> 01:37:08.560 very cool to watch good people play this game. 2178 01:37:08.840 --> 01:37:12.680 Mary, you got to watch that upf we did with Kayla. 2179 01:37:13.079 --> 01:37:17.239 She's insane, right, Like she is a force of nature 2180 01:37:17.279 --> 01:37:17.520 in that. 2181 01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:18.359 Yeah. 2182 01:37:18.640 --> 01:37:20.319 Just I mean that's the one time I played it 2183 01:37:20.359 --> 01:37:22.279 with her and it was just like wow, all right, 2184 01:37:22.319 --> 01:37:24.800 she just has an ability where she just scares people 2185 01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:25.720 off by screaming at them. 2186 01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:26.600 It's incredible to watch. 2187 01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:28.880 Yeah, she was saying like, I'm going to be your 2188 01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:30.279 step mom's mom. 2189 01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:33.119 Afterwards, I'm going to go full frontal on your asshole. 2190 01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:36.960 Yeah yeah, yeah, Yeah, She's just a terrifying I'd be 2191 01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:37.800 afraid if I heard that. 2192 01:37:38.079 --> 01:37:41.920 Yes, I think online I do not have the aura 2193 01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:44.520 that I have. I r L and online I'm always 2194 01:37:44.640 --> 01:37:47.960 like hello, they're like, let's murder this person. 2195 01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:50.560 That's bank when she plays, but Banc does solos and 2196 01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:54.239 like she's just the nicest person ever. And sometimes I 2197 01:37:54.239 --> 01:37:56.640 find myself getting very angry if people like, you know, 2198 01:37:56.640 --> 01:37:58.840 they're going to shoot her, like right at the extraction, where. 2199 01:37:58.640 --> 01:38:00.960 It's like, how dare you shoot things? And I shooting at. 2200 01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:04.000 The extraction is rude and I think you should leave 2201 01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:07.560 people alone. I once crawled into an distraction and they 2202 01:38:07.640 --> 01:38:10.199 still shot me inside the instruct and I was like, 2203 01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:14.119 if I'm able to crawl my like decrepit ass into 2204 01:38:14.159 --> 01:38:17.079 the distraction for anyone who doesn't know as long even 2205 01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:20.560 if you're downed, if you can get in, you make it. 2206 01:38:20.680 --> 01:38:24.239 You left, which is super cool. They still like took 2207 01:38:24.279 --> 01:38:26.279 me down even from the inside, and I was like, 2208 01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:29.439 this should count as a safe zone. I think it should, 2209 01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:32.359 like morally be you should leave people in that safe 2210 01:38:32.439 --> 01:38:33.279 zone alone. 2211 01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:34.880 Yeah, I agree. 2212 01:38:34.960 --> 01:38:37.279 I think it's more interesting as a social experiment to 2213 01:38:37.319 --> 01:38:39.279 be able to fuck with people at the very end. 2214 01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:41.880 I don't know what I mean. 2215 01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:45.439 We are us three have never been together in this game, 2216 01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:49.319 and Mike, you have not really started it recently. I'm 2217 01:38:49.359 --> 01:38:52.119 looking forward to seeing how our dynamic in our graders 2218 01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:52.960 is right after this. 2219 01:38:53.319 --> 01:38:58.319 Yeah, looking forward to it as well. Just watch your backs. 2220 01:38:58.319 --> 01:39:02.760 We're on this same squad. Is there a friendly fire? 2221 01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:07.079 I don't even know. No one we'll find out, won't we. 2222 01:39:07.239 --> 01:39:10.600 No, yeah, no, no squad is ever friendly fired and tell. 2223 01:39:10.479 --> 01:39:14.640 Us all right, you want to talk about emails? 2224 01:39:14.920 --> 01:39:19.279 Sure, okay, as usual, you can write into firescape cast 2225 01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:22.279 at gmail dot com questions you want read on the show. 2226 01:39:22.399 --> 01:39:24.560 We got a bunch this last episode, and I called 2227 01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:27.079 because we were running a bit low toward the end 2228 01:39:27.119 --> 01:39:29.680 of the year. We replenished for a few months, but 2229 01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:32.680 keep them coming, because you know, the more, the merrier, 2230 01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:35.119 the more the better. Also, I think the more people 2231 01:39:35.279 --> 01:39:37.640 send in, the more likely to get new stuff. Sometimes 2232 01:39:37.640 --> 01:39:39.680 I think maybe people who haven't listened to the entire 2233 01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:41.720 run of the show reask them, or it's just been 2234 01:39:41.880 --> 01:39:44.560 three years since we asked them, so uh yeah. The 2235 01:39:44.560 --> 01:39:47.000 more people who write in, more chance there is for 2236 01:39:47.560 --> 01:39:52.279 an unusual or unasked or uncommon question to come across. Uh, Mary, 2237 01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:54.319 do you want to read this first one from Zach? 2238 01:39:55.479 --> 01:39:57.199 Yeah, good evening. 2239 01:39:57.399 --> 01:40:03.119 Yin's Pittsburgh things. Oh it's y'all like John's. 2240 01:40:04.079 --> 01:40:08.359 Uh like John. John is from Philadelphia. That's like you. 2241 01:40:08.359 --> 01:40:11.239 You could substitute that for almost anything. Yin's is specifically 2242 01:40:11.239 --> 01:40:12.239 like Pittsburgh's y'all. 2243 01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:18.760 Oh, okay, good evening, Yin's second time writer. A longtime 2244 01:40:18.800 --> 01:40:22.920 listener question I love. I love a listener that gets 2245 01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:25.600 right to the point. I appreciate it. Is there for 2246 01:40:25.640 --> 01:40:28.279 something in high school you wish you would have tried 2247 01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:28.880 but didn't. 2248 01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:34.720 Prince, how long have you had that locked and loaded? 2249 01:40:38.760 --> 01:40:44.880 I don't asked a bullet in the chamber, sports band, 2250 01:40:45.199 --> 01:40:48.279 a job or activity you know, For example, hockey is 2251 01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:49.880 a big deal in the city of Pittsburgh. 2252 01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:51.720 I often think of how I may have missed out 2253 01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:53.880 on high school hockey. Instead I was in a local 2254 01:40:53.920 --> 01:40:57.399 band playing shows. That also sounds cool, though, Yeah, anything 2255 01:40:57.479 --> 01:41:03.439 come to mind for all of you. Much love from Pittsburgh. 2256 01:41:02.520 --> 01:41:05.680 Uh, it's like it's the most old man phrase ever. 2257 01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:07.680 But the whole youth is wasted on the young thing. 2258 01:41:07.880 --> 01:41:10.680 It's like it's like there are so many things now 2259 01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:15.119 that like got just basic ass things like just general taking. 2260 01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:15.479 Care of yourself. 2261 01:41:15.520 --> 01:41:15.720 Shit. 2262 01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:18.600 I just wish I would have like at a younger age, 2263 01:41:18.600 --> 01:41:20.880 like I would occasionally like go to the gym or 2264 01:41:20.920 --> 01:41:22.960 the rec center in college and get on an elliptical 2265 01:41:23.079 --> 01:41:24.840 for you know, thirty minutes or whatever and go home. 2266 01:41:24.880 --> 01:41:28.439 But like just general taking care of yourself, general food stuff, 2267 01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:30.800 things like that that like, you know, I'm definitely learning 2268 01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:32.600 a lot as I get older and trying to make 2269 01:41:32.720 --> 01:41:35.000 changes and stuff. But I think that stuff just is 2270 01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:38.520 so much easier if that was part of your day 2271 01:41:38.560 --> 01:41:43.119 to day back then. Oh, pe bring up something that 2272 01:41:43.159 --> 01:41:43.840 might be gross. 2273 01:41:44.479 --> 01:41:48.880 Ah, yes, I realize. 2274 01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:50.880 We were just me and Bank the other day. We're 2275 01:41:50.960 --> 01:41:53.920 putting the duvet on the blanket and stuff like that. 2276 01:41:55.039 --> 01:42:00.680 I realize growing up, I played a lot of my dad, 2277 01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:03.439 and I think a lot of it's fair. I was 2278 01:42:03.479 --> 01:42:06.239 never taught that you're supposed to wash your sheets. 2279 01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:10.439 Oh it's a bit gross. Yeah, it's gross. No, I 2280 01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:12.960 think about it now and it's like, objectively, that's just gross. 2281 01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:16.600 So neither your parents washed like a well, it was. 2282 01:42:16.640 --> 01:42:22.199 Two separate houses, and so I didn't, like, I don't 2283 01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:23.399 know about that really. 2284 01:42:24.079 --> 01:42:26.000 Yeah, I mean that's on hygienic for sure. 2285 01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:28.199 Yeah, and you think about it like, well, of course 2286 01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:30.720 there's there's a million reasons why that's uh you probably 2287 01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:34.199 should wash those but uh yeah, So. 2288 01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:37.600 To clarify you were doing putting the duvet back on 2289 01:42:37.640 --> 01:42:39.520 the actual comfort the other day with Bank. 2290 01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:41.439 This was the first time you realize you're. 2291 01:42:41.279 --> 01:42:46.079 Supposed to no, No, We've talked about it so many times. Yeah, 2292 01:42:46.439 --> 01:42:48.800 trust me, trust me, it's a very clear line of 2293 01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:51.279 pre and post bunk I love. 2294 01:42:52.199 --> 01:42:55.560 But you didn't even like before Bank, you didn't know that, 2295 01:42:56.079 --> 01:42:58.359 like you were you were like any things. 2296 01:42:58.399 --> 01:43:02.560 I didn't know, uh before Bank, I just wasn't taught 2297 01:43:02.600 --> 01:43:05.439 a lot of things. It's a lot of basic ass things, 2298 01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:08.800 and I think of now and I'm like, oh, boy, 2299 01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:09.479 that's yeah. 2300 01:43:10.600 --> 01:43:14.319 It's like when it's your fault for not like you know, 2301 01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:16.640 to wash a shirt after you wear it, right, you understanding? 2302 01:43:16.640 --> 01:43:17.520 Well, yeah, but there. 2303 01:43:17.359 --> 01:43:18.720 Were things too where it's like I didn't know you 2304 01:43:18.760 --> 01:43:21.760 could wash a hoodie until I met Bunk. I thought 2305 01:43:22.119 --> 01:43:24.359 you said, yeah, yeah, we talked because I didn't think 2306 01:43:24.359 --> 01:43:26.479 it was eligible for like smells, because it wasn't touching 2307 01:43:26.479 --> 01:43:27.079 your skin. 2308 01:43:27.680 --> 01:43:31.079 Which it is eligible. Yeah, no, I don't. That's the thing. 2309 01:43:31.319 --> 01:43:32.880 Since I met Bonk and she just brings up a 2310 01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:35.800 bunch of normal ass human things to me. In the 2311 01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:37.920 last ten plus years, it's been like, oh, of course, 2312 01:43:38.039 --> 01:43:38.920 how the fuck did I never? 2313 01:43:39.239 --> 01:43:40.960 But don't you ever think about like being on a 2314 01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:43.039 pillow and like you know, like you drool when you're 2315 01:43:43.039 --> 01:43:43.840 sleeping and stuff? 2316 01:43:43.880 --> 01:43:44.039 Like that. 2317 01:43:44.479 --> 01:43:48.359 I'm just feel like I think, I think growing up, 2318 01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:52.279 I think the thought about like laundry and cleaning and 2319 01:43:52.319 --> 01:43:53.880 things like that was that like if there was a 2320 01:43:54.079 --> 01:43:56.039 stain on it, then you would do it. 2321 01:43:57.079 --> 01:43:58.039 Visual I can. 2322 01:43:57.960 --> 01:44:00.239 Get when you're like super young to like not know 2323 01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:03.880 that you're just constantly like secreting stuff even when you're sleeping, 2324 01:44:04.119 --> 01:44:06.039 like even on a micro level, I. 2325 01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:09.279 Got considered that, but like, yeah, it's just like I 2326 01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:13.479 think cleaning clothes or hair in that Bunk I thought 2327 01:44:13.640 --> 01:44:16.479 was just like although, you know, I guess that's not true, 2328 01:44:16.479 --> 01:44:18.159 Like I would wash my clothes you know, all the 2329 01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:20.119 time after worn. It's just because it's touching your skin. 2330 01:44:20.560 --> 01:44:22.479 But I don't know why they didn't apply to I 2331 01:44:22.520 --> 01:44:22.880 don't know. 2332 01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:26.760 Can you ever think about like impressing Like I understand 2333 01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:30.560 there's like a pre impost bank again, like you know 2334 01:44:31.119 --> 01:44:33.399 really you know, big ups to the big B. But 2335 01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:38.479 like when you were in the courting stage of impressing bank, 2336 01:44:38.840 --> 01:44:41.920 would you not want to have clean sheets for a lady? 2337 01:44:43.279 --> 01:44:45.159 I mean, I just look at this. 2338 01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:46.880 I never had a lady in the sheets. 2339 01:44:48.479 --> 01:44:49.960 No, I mean I think about it like it was 2340 01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:51.800 I think when Bunk met me it was mattress on 2341 01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:52.239 the floor. 2342 01:44:52.359 --> 01:44:54.680 Erast no cry. 2343 01:44:54.880 --> 01:44:58.119 Yeah, I just never got anything. 2344 01:44:58.239 --> 01:44:58.880 Worry about it. 2345 01:44:58.920 --> 01:45:01.560 I want to say when I met Bonk, it was 2346 01:45:01.640 --> 01:45:04.800 either like I got my mattress off the floor a 2347 01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:06.520 month or two after that, or it was like a 2348 01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:10.239 month or two before meeting Bank. That is when I 2349 01:45:10.239 --> 01:45:12.039 first start of the Giant bomb. I was in full 2350 01:45:12.079 --> 01:45:13.760 on mattress on the floor guy. 2351 01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:18.000 That's that's a very stereotypical like guy who doesn't know 2352 01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:22.119 how to actually like live bachelor. Yeah, like a man 2353 01:45:22.319 --> 01:45:25.079 said she was still going on some dates where that 2354 01:45:25.159 --> 01:45:26.560 was the case every once in a while. 2355 01:45:26.880 --> 01:45:29.039 Yeah, I was fully in the case of like you know, 2356 01:45:29.119 --> 01:45:31.119 my my dad brain or it's just like well, I 2357 01:45:31.119 --> 01:45:32.920 mean what, it's fine some mattress. It's just like, well, 2358 01:45:32.920 --> 01:45:34.920 you're gonna spend money on something just to be high falutin, 2359 01:45:35.079 --> 01:45:38.319 you know, like I think I was, and I guarantee 2360 01:45:38.359 --> 01:45:41.720 that's how he still thinks. But like I definitely like 2361 01:45:41.760 --> 01:45:43.359 when I first started the giant bomb, was in full 2362 01:45:43.399 --> 01:45:45.039 on like why would I get that it doesn't do anything? 2363 01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:47.000 It's just well, now I know that actually super does 2364 01:45:47.119 --> 01:45:49.199 do things. It's like give me support. 2365 01:45:50.079 --> 01:45:51.560 Yeah, I was gonna say, like, I think you get 2366 01:45:51.560 --> 01:45:53.479 to a certain age you have you can't be going 2367 01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:55.159 that low into a mattress. 2368 01:45:55.479 --> 01:45:55.840 Yeah. 2369 01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:58.439 Yeah, but like, boy, the things I've learned in the 2370 01:45:58.560 --> 01:46:00.800 last you know, ten plus years whatever, Like yeah, I 2371 01:46:01.119 --> 01:46:03.880 look back and it's just like, oh boy, all those 2372 01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:06.840 the twenties. We'll just say specifically the twenties. Maybe there's 2373 01:46:06.840 --> 01:46:09.600 a past when you're a gross dumb teenage or whatever. 2374 01:46:09.800 --> 01:46:12.159 I do feel like the twenties when I was just like, 2375 01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:14.520 oh boy, there's just ship. I should have known that. 2376 01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:16.199 I did not know a lot of twenties. 2377 01:46:16.680 --> 01:46:20.880 I do think like not to you know, ally feminist, 2378 01:46:21.359 --> 01:46:22.800 like not to not to. 2379 01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:25.359 I thought you're gonna do ally gross dude. 2380 01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:29.880 Oh no, I've I've always been like, if anything, I 2381 01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:31.640 agree with Dan No. 2382 01:46:31.720 --> 01:46:34.800 I had like a compulsion shower too twenty stuff. 2383 01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:37.920 My dad's the guy who says everyone's got fucking skid 2384 01:46:37.960 --> 01:46:38.720 marks all the time. 2385 01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:40.600 So yeah, that's where I grew up with. 2386 01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:44.880 That's that's gross. I would say the thing, sorry continue 2387 01:46:45.079 --> 01:46:45.760 or maybe. 2388 01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:49.399 I don't know. I'm so this is interesting, pack Yeah no, 2389 01:46:49.479 --> 01:46:52.600 it's a weekly therapy is always very interesting. Yeah. 2390 01:46:53.560 --> 01:46:56.079 No, there's there's been stuff, and like I think you're 2391 01:46:56.239 --> 01:46:59.640 you'd be forgiven for, like early and mid twenties having 2392 01:46:59.680 --> 01:47:01.560 your math on the floor, because I think a lot 2393 01:47:01.600 --> 01:47:05.840 of people do. But yeah, no, I I remember Amanda, 2394 01:47:06.039 --> 01:47:09.079 like the first time she saw my apartment, my previous one, 2395 01:47:09.479 --> 01:47:12.800 obviously before we lived together, she was like impressed that 2396 01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:14.760 I my mattress was not on the floor and that 2397 01:47:14.840 --> 01:47:16.439 I had art on the walls. I was like, is 2398 01:47:16.479 --> 01:47:19.760 this the bar that like women are dealing with dating? 2399 01:47:20.680 --> 01:47:22.760 And then yeah, I heard more horror stories after him, 2400 01:47:22.760 --> 01:47:25.720 like yes, oh my god. I wasn't like I'm doing 2401 01:47:25.760 --> 01:47:28.920 more than that to be appealing, but that was apparently 2402 01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:29.520 the low bar. 2403 01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:33.039 This is so true that, like, especially in college in 2404 01:47:33.279 --> 01:47:36.319 early twenties, I would say, like the bar is so 2405 01:47:36.600 --> 01:47:40.039 unbelievably low that if a guy had sheets on his mattress, 2406 01:47:40.039 --> 01:47:42.600 it was like hula lah, what is this the rints? 2407 01:47:42.840 --> 01:47:45.039 And it's just so bad. 2408 01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:46.279 Mary? 2409 01:47:46.319 --> 01:47:50.039 You would do that, Mary, I think. On that note, 2410 01:47:50.039 --> 01:47:52.640 can you please check the discord. I just sent you 2411 01:47:52.680 --> 01:47:55.640 a photo of me and my college bedroom, And if 2412 01:47:55.680 --> 01:47:57.960 you just want to break this down for the folks, 2413 01:47:58.119 --> 01:48:05.000 let me know this is okay. 2414 01:48:05.279 --> 01:48:09.159 You've here on the bar, this man has four pieces 2415 01:48:09.199 --> 01:48:11.319 of art on his walls, which. 2416 01:48:11.119 --> 01:48:16.880 Is yes, I mean, what is this? 2417 01:48:17.319 --> 01:48:20.079 Probably this is probably two thousand and five for the record, 2418 01:48:20.279 --> 01:48:21.000 two thousand and six. 2419 01:48:21.079 --> 01:48:24.960 Maybe is this a cool What are you holding? Is 2420 01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:27.640 that fire? I'm holding a handful of fireworks. 2421 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:29.560 If you look on the thing next to me, there's 2422 01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:32.760 a bunch of Saturn rockets and maybe twizzlers, a. 2423 01:48:32.720 --> 01:48:36.000 Bunch of ones in a jar, which I love because 2424 01:48:36.039 --> 01:48:39.119 it's tell it to me. This your piggy bank was 2425 01:48:39.119 --> 01:48:40.920 like a jar where you're like, I have a dollar 2426 01:48:41.039 --> 01:48:43.800 left after Chinese food. I'm gonna pop it in here 2427 01:48:43.880 --> 01:48:45.279 for a good time later. 2428 01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:47.840 It's correct, Yes, you got a box spring though. 2429 01:48:47.880 --> 01:48:50.159 It's nice. Oh you have actually. 2430 01:48:50.119 --> 01:48:54.119 Progressed after this actress on the floor. 2431 01:48:54.199 --> 01:48:56.479 Yeah, you regress from them. 2432 01:48:57.239 --> 01:48:59.439 It's dead Wood and Clint Eastwood. 2433 01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:02.239 Yea full of dollars, dirty Harry, Yes. 2434 01:49:02.159 --> 01:49:02.840 Yes, yes. 2435 01:49:02.880 --> 01:49:05.159 What's the poster to the right that I can't see. 2436 01:49:05.800 --> 01:49:09.279 It's like that is a bunch of god damn, the 2437 01:49:09.399 --> 01:49:12.319 video paper, the newspaper clippings of myself. 2438 01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:15.279 Oh my god, that's unforgivable. 2439 01:49:15.600 --> 01:49:15.920 I know. 2440 01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:19.760 It's a bunch of like local film students has successive films. 2441 01:49:20.199 --> 01:49:22.199 The pictures of me and George Clinton and stuff. I'm 2442 01:49:22.760 --> 01:49:26.159 I'm afraid that their push pinned on the wall. That's 2443 01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:30.479 a picture of me and actor James Woods at a casino. 2444 01:49:30.560 --> 01:49:34.000 Oh my god, that's crazy. I just rewatched casino with 2445 01:49:34.199 --> 01:49:34.920 James Woods in it. 2446 01:49:35.319 --> 01:49:35.520 Sure. 2447 01:49:36.640 --> 01:49:39.720 Yeah, this is just telling a picture here, isn't it. 2448 01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:43.279 I have to ask, embarrassed. I think I know the answer. 2449 01:49:43.479 --> 01:49:45.800 Who made the collage of articles of you? 2450 01:49:46.439 --> 01:49:46.800 My mom? 2451 01:49:47.279 --> 01:49:47.399 Oh? 2452 01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:49.479 I thought it was a Christmas gift. It was a 2453 01:49:49.560 --> 01:49:51.560 Christmas I thought it was you, So it was my 2454 01:49:51.640 --> 01:49:54.960 backside pass for p funk. It's a bunch of newspaper articles. 2455 01:49:55.319 --> 01:49:57.600 You're deming's that your mom did that? 2456 01:49:57.920 --> 01:49:59.279 I will also give you some ups. 2457 01:50:00.119 --> 01:50:01.800 You have a water bottle by your bed, so you're 2458 01:50:01.840 --> 01:50:03.920 obviously a hydro homie, and you were like taking care 2459 01:50:03.960 --> 01:50:06.640 of yourself by drinking water. Unless there's vodka in there. 2460 01:50:06.960 --> 01:50:07.880 No, it's probably water. 2461 01:50:07.960 --> 01:50:09.600 I probably do more of that now. Yeah. 2462 01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:12.000 I think that's nice. You had books, which was like 2463 01:50:12.359 --> 01:50:15.119 kind of the no on your nightstand? 2464 01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:17.439 Are those I'm doing in? 2465 01:50:18.479 --> 01:50:18.680 Those? 2466 01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:20.039 Might be my yearbooks? 2467 01:50:21.079 --> 01:50:21.239 Yeah? 2468 01:50:21.279 --> 01:50:22.239 Those are my yearbooks? 2469 01:50:22.520 --> 01:50:22.640 Oh? 2470 01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:24.199 You unfuckable? 2471 01:50:24.359 --> 01:50:27.239 Is this a dorm room or a house? It's my apartment. 2472 01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:32.520 Okay, that was that was nine and Lawrence brother, he 2473 01:50:32.600 --> 01:50:35.640 lives on Lawrence. Uh in Lawrence. 2474 01:50:35.760 --> 01:50:36.439 Oh gotcha? 2475 01:50:36.560 --> 01:50:39.880 Okay, I mean, this isn't the worst I've seen. This 2476 01:50:40.039 --> 01:50:42.800 isn't the worst that I've experienced. I think, like, again, 2477 01:50:43.039 --> 01:50:44.159 the bar is so low. 2478 01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:48.680 I thank you in hell why I thank you for 2479 01:50:48.800 --> 01:50:50.600 not touching upon what me as a person. 2480 01:50:50.720 --> 01:50:53.399 Also, Oh yeah, I guess I think there's nothing wrong 2481 01:50:53.439 --> 01:50:56.239 with your physical appearance. I don't know like what you 2482 01:50:56.399 --> 01:51:01.560 smell like, or like your uh yeah, your cleanliness. But 2483 01:51:01.640 --> 01:51:04.399 I will say, like, there's nothing wrong with long hair. 2484 01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:06.800 I like that look. I like like a T shirt 2485 01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:09.880 and jeans. Dude, I got nothing wrong with like your vibe. 2486 01:51:10.239 --> 01:51:12.600 I will say this, the mattress in that picture is 2487 01:51:12.680 --> 01:51:16.880 probably filthy. But me, I was always a regular shower guy. 2488 01:51:16.960 --> 01:51:19.119 I've never been a stinky guy. Really, that's good. 2489 01:51:19.199 --> 01:51:20.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'm. 2490 01:51:20.439 --> 01:51:23.800 Good on that. I'm not worried about like your your appearance. 2491 01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:27.039 I think you look completely reasonable. I will say, like 2492 01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:32.880 so many boys black sheets, like dark, dark sheets, And 2493 01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:35.199 to me that was just like a reflection of we 2494 01:51:35.359 --> 01:51:38.560 all know that these could not be white. We know 2495 01:51:38.920 --> 01:51:42.239 that you could not get away with it. So, yeah, 2496 01:51:42.520 --> 01:51:45.600 really dark sheets to mask the dirt. 2497 01:51:46.159 --> 01:51:48.319 What was my thought of, like directly above the bed 2498 01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:50.960 in this photo. I've got a poster of Curb Your 2499 01:51:51.079 --> 01:51:54.439 Enthusiasm and it's one where it's just like every character 2500 01:51:54.600 --> 01:51:55.640 is Larry David's head. 2501 01:51:56.000 --> 01:51:58.239 So what is my thought as college guy? 2502 01:51:58.520 --> 01:51:58.680 Oh? 2503 01:51:58.800 --> 01:52:01.159 I would I'm single. I would try to hopefully things 2504 01:52:01.199 --> 01:52:04.039 happen here. Let me put forty Larry David heads above 2505 01:52:04.079 --> 01:52:04.399 my bed. 2506 01:52:04.800 --> 01:52:08.000 Yeah, it's like a girl was. If you were like 2507 01:52:08.119 --> 01:52:10.840 with a girl and she was looking at that in 2508 01:52:11.079 --> 01:52:14.039 your bed, that is stressful. But I think there's nothing 2509 01:52:14.319 --> 01:52:19.119 more stressful than the poster above the mattress on the ceiling. 2510 01:52:19.399 --> 01:52:20.000 I don't have that. 2511 01:52:21.439 --> 01:52:23.680 Well, I mean, you have evidence of that in this photo, 2512 01:52:23.800 --> 01:52:24.399 but I would. 2513 01:52:24.239 --> 01:52:26.159 Say that I did not. That does not exist here. 2514 01:52:26.439 --> 01:52:27.880 That is an unforgivable phot. 2515 01:52:29.840 --> 01:52:32.640 Just getting slammed while macho man Randy Savage is staring 2516 01:52:32.720 --> 01:52:33.079 down at you. 2517 01:52:37.439 --> 01:52:41.039 Actually, when we stayed at your house, you you blew 2518 01:52:41.119 --> 01:52:44.079 up a photo of Mike's face and put it above that. 2519 01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:46.880 Funny I still have that. Yeah, it's still somewhere in 2520 01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:49.680 the house. I'm looking forward to seeing what the ceiling 2521 01:52:49.840 --> 01:52:51.119 poster is going to be this year. 2522 01:52:51.199 --> 01:52:52.920 Back to well, actually, I just realized Mary might have 2523 01:52:53.000 --> 01:53:02.479 a guest and oh, yeah what we talked. Yeah, weird thing. 2524 01:53:04.800 --> 01:53:06.359 I'm gonna put like a towel on it. 2525 01:53:07.119 --> 01:53:12.560 No, that in the corner. Just a weird like black 2526 01:53:13.159 --> 01:53:16.159 like phantom for those listening. 2527 01:53:16.439 --> 01:53:19.279 By this point, two days from now, I might have 2528 01:53:19.439 --> 01:53:21.479 a eight foot tall Zeno morphe. 2529 01:53:22.159 --> 01:53:26.199 With a strangely normal human torso and likes good posture. 2530 01:53:27.399 --> 01:53:29.840 No, it's a strange device. But Dan and I were 2531 01:53:30.039 --> 01:53:34.920 just bonding over unnecessary purchases in our adult years of like, listen, 2532 01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:38.760 we have some income that I think you can like 2533 01:53:39.359 --> 01:53:42.279 basically just say it's disposable, like, let's enjoy our lives 2534 01:53:42.319 --> 01:53:44.439 and do something with it. I bought a CRT for 2535 01:53:44.560 --> 01:53:47.119 my kitchen, which is ridiculous, but it brings me a 2536 01:53:47.159 --> 01:53:49.720 lot of joy. And you brought a you bought a 2537 01:53:49.920 --> 01:53:50.720 sino morph. 2538 01:53:52.479 --> 01:53:54.800 I visited a xenomorph tonight and I approved of him. 2539 01:53:54.880 --> 01:53:56.680 So now I'm arranging for the transportation. 2540 01:53:57.640 --> 01:53:58.239 So bad. 2541 01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:02.039 He's going to be in this room looking over you. 2542 01:54:04.720 --> 01:54:06.920 It's such a good I mean, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm 2543 01:54:06.960 --> 01:54:08.319 not not stupid. 2544 01:54:08.079 --> 01:54:09.680 So cool, thank you. 2545 01:54:10.600 --> 01:54:11.960 Look, I'm still looking at this picture of me in 2546 01:54:12.000 --> 01:54:13.760 two thousand and six, and it seems very cool. 2547 01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:16.960 There's moments of this that are cool. 2548 01:54:18.079 --> 01:54:22.960 The question that was, I, here's mine. I wish I 2549 01:54:23.039 --> 01:54:25.760 wish we had done when we were younger. This is 2550 01:54:25.760 --> 01:54:26.239 a two parter. 2551 01:54:26.920 --> 01:54:32.239 I wish I had gotten more into like theater, but 2552 01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:35.239 I'm glad I'm not a the I wasn't a theater kid. 2553 01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:39.800 But I do wish I had tried like performance more 2554 01:54:40.520 --> 01:54:43.560 because I really do like I do like crave attention, 2555 01:54:44.199 --> 01:54:47.520 and I do like, really like what people are paying 2556 01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:48.119 attention to me. 2557 01:54:48.520 --> 01:54:51.199 So here's the problem with that. Because I took this route. 2558 01:54:51.239 --> 01:54:54.840 I also love attention. And I did go into theater 2559 01:54:55.279 --> 01:54:57.560 class in junior high and I loved it. It was 2560 01:54:57.840 --> 01:55:00.279 I did plays and it was fantastic, and I I loved, 2561 01:55:00.399 --> 01:55:02.359 you know, have my characters, my lines and all that stuff. 2562 01:55:02.560 --> 01:55:04.560 And then you go to high school and then in 2563 01:55:04.680 --> 01:55:05.399 saw musicals. 2564 01:55:06.000 --> 01:55:08.720 Oh oh, that's actually why I didn't get apart. I 2565 01:55:08.880 --> 01:55:11.039 was trying to sing Daddy Warbucks and the music teacher, 2566 01:55:11.319 --> 01:55:13.600 who hated me to begin with, didn't give me the part. 2567 01:55:14.479 --> 01:55:16.840 I would have shaved my head and everything for Daddy Warbucks. 2568 01:55:17.960 --> 01:55:18.640 But I didn't get there. 2569 01:55:18.720 --> 01:55:19.520 You could pull it off. 2570 01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:24.199 Thanks, but no, I think that's it. I kind of 2571 01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:27.039 I think I've said this before. I was kind of 2572 01:55:27.079 --> 01:55:29.319 part of like several different clicks in high school. I 2573 01:55:29.439 --> 01:55:32.000 like hung out with lacrosse players and basketball players because 2574 01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:37.159 I literally played those sports. I some of my best 2575 01:55:37.199 --> 01:55:39.439 friends were ones. I geeked out about video games with them. 2576 01:55:39.439 --> 01:55:41.159 They came over and we did system links with Halo, 2577 01:55:41.239 --> 01:55:43.960 et cetera. Then I sometimes hung out with the cool kids, 2578 01:55:44.079 --> 01:55:48.000 and then I sometimes hated them. So I was kind 2579 01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:49.880 of between a bunch of groups. So I didn't really 2580 01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:51.800 know that I had a firm identity in high school. 2581 01:55:51.800 --> 01:55:54.600 I guess everybody's still figuring out who they want to be. 2582 01:55:55.279 --> 01:55:58.560 But in terms of things I wish I had done, 2583 01:55:59.119 --> 01:56:01.319 I think like I wish I had tried theater more, 2584 01:56:02.239 --> 01:56:06.399 but and I wish I had gotten into actually one 2585 01:56:06.439 --> 01:56:08.680 thing I'm actually really glad I did get into. I 2586 01:56:08.760 --> 01:56:13.079 got into like, quote unquote av Club, which was basically 2587 01:56:13.159 --> 01:56:15.520 I learned how to use like premiere in high school. 2588 01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:17.319 I forgot a lot of those skills later, and then 2589 01:56:17.399 --> 01:56:19.079 Mary had to piss me off once in order for 2590 01:56:19.119 --> 01:56:21.159 me to brush back up on them. But I was 2591 01:56:21.199 --> 01:56:24.000 definitely like I did it, Yeah, but I know I 2592 01:56:24.119 --> 01:56:27.119 was I I, uh yeah, it was probably theater. I 2593 01:56:27.159 --> 01:56:28.520 also wish I had a car in high school. I 2594 01:56:28.560 --> 01:56:29.279 never had my own car. 2595 01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:32.520 Really having a car was a big deal for me. 2596 01:56:32.960 --> 01:56:34.880 I oh, my friends did my car? 2597 01:56:35.960 --> 01:56:36.479 Two for me? 2598 01:56:37.359 --> 01:56:37.560 One. 2599 01:56:38.680 --> 01:56:41.119 I always wanted to be a camp counselor and it 2600 01:56:41.279 --> 01:56:43.279 just never happened for me. And you know how many 2601 01:56:43.399 --> 01:56:46.159 movies you have with like people are cool camp counselors 2602 01:56:46.279 --> 01:56:48.720 and like they get to like do cool sexy stuff 2603 01:56:48.840 --> 01:56:51.319 Like I never had that experience, and. 2604 01:56:51.359 --> 01:56:53.600 I wished just get slammed in cabins. 2605 01:56:53.600 --> 01:56:53.760 Six. 2606 01:56:54.079 --> 01:56:57.399 I wish I was a camp counselor. Yeah, I've always 2607 01:56:57.439 --> 01:56:59.159 wanted to be a camp counsel and I never did it, 2608 01:56:59.239 --> 01:57:00.720 And now I think will be weird. I think if 2609 01:57:00.760 --> 01:57:02.359 I did it now, they would. 2610 01:57:02.119 --> 01:57:05.640 Be like, why is this old lady age range? Is 2611 01:57:05.680 --> 01:57:09.840 it like early early twenty twenties. 2612 01:57:09.479 --> 01:57:12.479 But maybe even maybe even like eighteen. 2613 01:57:12.279 --> 01:57:16.479 Yeah, you're like twenty two maybe twenty. 2614 01:57:16.800 --> 01:57:18.920 Like being a dorm what do you call that? Like 2615 01:57:19.000 --> 01:57:23.079 a alright, yeah, it's like the same, but way cooler 2616 01:57:23.159 --> 01:57:25.479 to be a camp counselor. And so like I regret 2617 01:57:26.479 --> 01:57:29.359 not getting that opportunity in my youth. I would say 2618 01:57:29.399 --> 01:57:34.399 the second one is I never truly learned to read music, 2619 01:57:34.680 --> 01:57:37.560 and I think that was a mistake. I always was 2620 01:57:37.640 --> 01:57:41.800 self taught. I've learned so many songs on piano, guitar, bass. 2621 01:57:42.159 --> 01:57:45.800 To this day, I play bass, but I am self taught. 2622 01:57:45.880 --> 01:57:49.319 I listen to songs and I watch YouTube videos and 2623 01:57:49.399 --> 01:57:51.000 someone will be like, here's how I play it with 2624 01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:53.560 my hands, and I mimic them and I memorize it. 2625 01:57:54.159 --> 01:57:56.840 I cannot read sheet music, and I think that sucks 2626 01:57:56.920 --> 01:57:59.079 that I didn't just sit down as a child and 2627 01:57:59.239 --> 01:58:01.640 be like, learn how to do this. I never did, 2628 01:58:01.800 --> 01:58:03.399 and I pay for it the rest of my life. 2629 01:58:03.720 --> 01:58:06.840 It's really confusing. It's like really right in English. 2630 01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:09.199 But in my defense, it's confusing. 2631 01:58:09.960 --> 01:58:13.199 It was just go twang, twank, walk, walk walk. I'd 2632 01:58:13.279 --> 01:58:18.640 figure it out. It's that simple, fucking Mozart deal Mozart. 2633 01:58:18.800 --> 01:58:20.600 When I was a kid, I was like, I ain't 2634 01:58:20.680 --> 01:58:23.920 learning all that, especially when I can literally like, any 2635 01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:26.439 time I saw a song I really liked, I could 2636 01:58:26.680 --> 01:58:29.359 just mimic and this is what I did. I would 2637 01:58:29.359 --> 01:58:31.520 listen to it on the radio and then I would 2638 01:58:31.640 --> 01:58:33.800 just be like, okay, bomb bomb bomb bomb, and then 2639 01:58:33.840 --> 01:58:36.439 I would do it on the piano until I until 2640 01:58:36.479 --> 01:58:40.399 I duplicated it. I did it by ear and that's 2641 01:58:40.520 --> 01:58:42.560 just how I learned. So yeah, I just like never, 2642 01:58:42.720 --> 01:58:45.960 I never did it right, and I don't know. 2643 01:58:46.279 --> 01:58:48.880 I wish I had read more Chekhov. No, I'm just kidding, 2644 01:58:48.880 --> 01:58:51.680 and I thank you, zach Dan. Do you want to 2645 01:58:51.720 --> 01:58:53.079 read this one from Doc Hensla? 2646 01:58:54.119 --> 01:58:54.359 Sure? 2647 01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:55.720 Hey, Fire Escapees. 2648 01:58:55.760 --> 01:58:57.479 My wife loves to give me grief about a game 2649 01:58:57.520 --> 01:58:59.960 I have played ever since we started dating twelve years 2650 01:59:00.039 --> 01:59:03.079 years ago, when we were in medical school together, I 2651 01:59:03.119 --> 01:59:06.840 started to play a Hearthstone. It was mainly during study breaks, 2652 01:59:06.880 --> 01:59:09.600 but has now turned into my ADHD game. Whenever I 2653 01:59:09.720 --> 01:59:12.039 have some downtime and just need my brain to turn off. 2654 01:59:12.119 --> 01:59:15.279 I play it now mainly the Battlegrounds game mode. Since 2655 01:59:15.319 --> 01:59:17.359 the game doesn't give me how many hours I've played, 2656 01:59:17.399 --> 01:59:19.399 I've done a deep dive on how many hours I've 2657 01:59:19.560 --> 01:59:26.000 likely played. Drum roll about seventy two hundred hours. My question, 2658 01:59:26.319 --> 01:59:28.880 what is your most played game ever? My next closest 2659 01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:31.880 was Halo two. It's seven hundred hours. That is Doc Hansla, you. 2660 01:59:31.920 --> 01:59:34.119 Say it's your ADHD game. But I'm actually pretty impressed 2661 01:59:34.119 --> 01:59:35.600 with how long you stuck with one game. 2662 01:59:36.239 --> 01:59:39.000 Yeah, yeah, that's I was talking about this last night. 2663 01:59:39.079 --> 01:59:40.880 I got dinner with a bunch of game informer folks 2664 01:59:40.880 --> 01:59:42.680 and we were talking about like a couple of guys 2665 01:59:42.800 --> 01:59:45.439 played a bunch of like Doda and Wow and stuff 2666 01:59:45.439 --> 01:59:47.840 like that, and they had, you know, thousands of hours 2667 01:59:47.880 --> 01:59:50.159 with all that stuff. And I still think my number 2668 01:59:50.159 --> 01:59:53.600 one most played game ever is Soul Calber. That's probably 2669 01:59:53.840 --> 01:59:57.000 you know, five hundred to six hundred hours in second place. Like, 2670 01:59:57.039 --> 01:59:58.880 I don't think there's many other games that I've gone 2671 01:59:58.920 --> 02:00:01.079 more than like one hundred or two hundred hours with. 2672 02:00:01.359 --> 02:00:05.479 Like I'm sure stuff like Ya and yeah Alert's probably 2673 02:00:05.560 --> 02:00:07.920 up there. Alert two, But like you know, there's stuff 2674 02:00:07.920 --> 02:00:10.039 like Mario sixty four and Mario World and stuff that 2675 02:00:10.079 --> 02:00:11.399 I go back to because. 2676 02:00:11.159 --> 02:00:12.720 You've played them so many times. 2677 02:00:12.840 --> 02:00:14.520 Yea, yeah, I'm sure it adds up. But like I'm 2678 02:00:14.640 --> 02:00:16.800 still sure, like linked to the past, My favorite game ever, 2679 02:00:16.920 --> 02:00:19.000 the game I've beat the most. I'd be surprised if 2680 02:00:19.000 --> 02:00:21.520 I've played more than like one hundred and fifty hours 2681 02:00:21.560 --> 02:00:22.680 of you know, I think. 2682 02:00:22.560 --> 02:00:25.039 That's fair, But it's also can those hundred and fifty 2683 02:00:25.079 --> 02:00:28.560 hours are like super valuable to you. Oh h yes, 2684 02:00:30.279 --> 02:00:33.000 something you shouldn't overlook, right, Like, I really don't play 2685 02:00:33.399 --> 02:00:37.159 a lot of replayable games. I often play games. I 2686 02:00:37.239 --> 02:00:39.560 play a lot of indie games, and so like those 2687 02:00:39.640 --> 02:00:44.359 games I play really hard for like forty hours, and 2688 02:00:44.520 --> 02:00:47.640 then they're done. I've completed them, and I'm like, what 2689 02:00:47.760 --> 02:00:49.960 a great experience, and then I move on. So it's 2690 02:00:50.600 --> 02:00:52.720 I don't have a lot of games that I've played 2691 02:00:52.800 --> 02:00:56.199 for hundreds of hours. I really don't, I would say 2692 02:00:57.399 --> 02:01:01.079 if I had to guess, And like Stee does sometimes 2693 02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:03.159 clock how many hours you have in games? 2694 02:01:03.279 --> 02:01:05.680 Like I played Left for. 2695 02:01:05.760 --> 02:01:07.399 Dead too a lot. 2696 02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:10.479 Yeah, the Steam stuff is nice, but it's also like, 2697 02:01:10.600 --> 02:01:12.680 well how many times did it? Just did the execute 2698 02:01:12.720 --> 02:01:13.760 will not close correctly? 2699 02:01:13.960 --> 02:01:18.479 Or I think the highest played game in my Steam 2700 02:01:18.880 --> 02:01:23.079 is I Am Bred, and that is not true. I 2701 02:01:23.760 --> 02:01:27.680 left it overnight at game Spot on a computer that 2702 02:01:27.880 --> 02:01:31.199 wasn't act like that wasn't able to turn off, and 2703 02:01:31.319 --> 02:01:33.680 it logged hours for seven days, and so I have 2704 02:01:33.840 --> 02:01:36.520 like seven hundred hours and I Am Bread. But did 2705 02:01:36.600 --> 02:01:40.439 I play I Am Bread? I did not play that 2706 02:01:40.640 --> 02:01:43.039 many hours of I Am Bread? So my steam is 2707 02:01:43.119 --> 02:01:46.199 not accurate. I would say Team Fortress two and Left 2708 02:01:46.239 --> 02:01:48.680 for Dead too are games that I think I put 2709 02:01:48.800 --> 02:01:52.399 hundreds of hours into. Generally, I can I can probably 2710 02:01:52.479 --> 02:01:54.920 gauge that I played hundreds of hours of those games 2711 02:01:55.720 --> 02:01:58.520 back when I had hundreds of hours to play replayable games, 2712 02:01:59.199 --> 02:02:00.680 and I just don't do that much anymore. 2713 02:02:01.239 --> 02:02:03.319 I just think we're just like edge cases where it's like, 2714 02:02:03.359 --> 02:02:05.359 I don't know my entire adult life, I've been doing 2715 02:02:05.399 --> 02:02:06.840 this for a living, so it's like I can't just 2716 02:02:06.840 --> 02:02:08.840 stick with one game for a thousand hours. So it's 2717 02:02:08.920 --> 02:02:10.520 like if I did not do this for a living, 2718 02:02:11.039 --> 02:02:13.359 maybe I would have got Wow or something back then, 2719 02:02:13.920 --> 02:02:16.199 or Mobile or Doda or something and like gotten super 2720 02:02:16.239 --> 02:02:18.199 into it. But like you just can't do it when 2721 02:02:18.239 --> 02:02:19.079 you have to play everything. 2722 02:02:19.119 --> 02:02:22.199 You know, I got really into Warframe for a bit, 2723 02:02:23.720 --> 02:02:26.239 remember that, I don't know if I actually cross a 2724 02:02:26.279 --> 02:02:29.079 thousand hours. I will say Total war Warhammer three now 2725 02:02:29.159 --> 02:02:33.920 says I'm at twelve hundred. However that I'm sure that's 2726 02:02:33.960 --> 02:02:37.279 also idle time and similar things where it didn't close 2727 02:02:37.720 --> 02:02:40.479 or I'm not it could be any number of things, 2728 02:02:40.520 --> 02:02:42.359 like I've definitely played that game a whole lot. Like 2729 02:02:42.880 --> 02:02:48.880 I think Warhammer three is probably closer to six hundred something, 2730 02:02:49.840 --> 02:02:52.000 but like that's a very deep strategy game with one 2731 02:02:52.119 --> 02:02:55.520 hundred and three one hundred and four legendary lawyers. 2732 02:02:55.560 --> 02:02:56.760 Now I am playing still a. 2733 02:02:56.800 --> 02:02:58.920 Shit ton of hours. By the way, if we could 2734 02:02:58.960 --> 02:03:01.479 just say, like it's a bar of like, what is 2735 02:03:01.520 --> 02:03:03.359 a shit ton of hours in a game? I think 2736 02:03:03.439 --> 02:03:05.479 is eighty If you've played a game for eighty hours, 2737 02:03:05.720 --> 02:03:07.640 you have obviously loved that game. 2738 02:03:07.840 --> 02:03:10.039 Yeah, yes, yeah, you could have read you read a 2739 02:03:10.079 --> 02:03:10.720 book for once. 2740 02:03:11.000 --> 02:03:13.399 I know, although all the things I could have accomplished 2741 02:03:13.520 --> 02:03:16.760 and intellectually if I wasn't playing to learn to read music, 2742 02:03:16.920 --> 02:03:18.680 I got to learn a a fuck ton about wine, 2743 02:03:18.760 --> 02:03:20.239 gotten a high level to ploma. 2744 02:03:20.720 --> 02:03:21.640 You could have been somebody. 2745 02:03:21.920 --> 02:03:25.960 Hell, but no, I'm I've I was just playing yesterday. 2746 02:03:25.960 --> 02:03:28.239 I'm I'm playing the new DLC, which is embargoed for 2747 02:03:28.319 --> 02:03:30.359 tomorrow to talk about It's why I'm not talking about it. 2748 02:03:30.479 --> 02:03:33.560 But yeah, I noticed that today that it's said twelve hundred, 2749 02:03:33.560 --> 02:03:39.000 but I don't think it's actually past one thousand. Yes, 2750 02:03:40.279 --> 02:03:43.840 Warframe Warhammer three, and I will say I love Warframe. 2751 02:03:44.680 --> 02:03:47.600 I have not played it for a single second, since 2752 02:03:47.600 --> 02:03:51.079 I stopped playing it, because that game very much was 2753 02:03:51.279 --> 02:03:55.319 like that started to feel not like the addictions you 2754 02:03:55.359 --> 02:03:57.159 hear about where like those people would go to like 2755 02:03:57.359 --> 02:03:59.439 the World of Warcraft like internet cafes back in the 2756 02:03:59.520 --> 02:04:01.479 day when leave for three days playing World of. 2757 02:04:01.439 --> 02:04:03.479 Warcraft, I had control over it. 2758 02:04:03.840 --> 02:04:06.359 However, there were times when I was like, I just 2759 02:04:06.399 --> 02:04:09.640 played like six hours of this game and it was mindless. 2760 02:04:09.279 --> 02:04:12.640 To a point where I think my feeling I think. 2761 02:04:12.840 --> 02:04:14.039 I think every once in a while, if you want 2762 02:04:14.079 --> 02:04:16.640 to play a game that, like like doc Hensla mentioned 2763 02:04:16.640 --> 02:04:19.479 to turn your brain off, I think there's tons of 2764 02:04:19.560 --> 02:04:22.439 value in that as like a relaxation, meditative thing. However, 2765 02:04:22.520 --> 02:04:25.399 Warframe I was starting to feel like a bit gross. 2766 02:04:26.479 --> 02:04:29.239 That's the thing like if you're playing something for you 2767 02:04:29.399 --> 02:04:32.119 you describe playing six hours and not feeling like anything 2768 02:04:32.159 --> 02:04:35.119 like you had accomplished anything, Like I think, there's it's 2769 02:04:35.159 --> 02:04:37.319 not just an hour count means something or it doesn't 2770 02:04:37.319 --> 02:04:39.800 mean something like I've sent this entire weekend playing Metrod 2771 02:04:39.840 --> 02:04:42.680 Prime four. But it's like, Okay, that's something I'm doing, 2772 02:04:42.760 --> 02:04:44.960 you know, even if it wasn't for job. It's like 2773 02:04:45.000 --> 02:04:46.960 that is a game with a finite ending. I'm going 2774 02:04:47.000 --> 02:04:48.800 to play this. It just came out. I'm very excited 2775 02:04:48.840 --> 02:04:50.359 about this. I'm going to play it for a few days. 2776 02:04:50.840 --> 02:04:51.000 You know. 2777 02:04:51.319 --> 02:04:55.720 I think that's healthy and normal. I think when you 2778 02:04:55.840 --> 02:04:58.520 say playing six hours and like, I think a lot 2779 02:04:58.600 --> 02:05:00.399 of these games where it's just kind of the carrot 2780 02:05:00.439 --> 02:05:03.279 on this during dopamine type shit. I think if you 2781 02:05:03.399 --> 02:05:05.039 play it for like five or six hours and you 2782 02:05:05.199 --> 02:05:06.640 just kind of just feel like you were just in 2783 02:05:06.720 --> 02:05:09.640 this like trance basically. Yeah, and it wasn't a story 2784 02:05:09.680 --> 02:05:11.800 based thing where you're making progression. You're just kind of 2785 02:05:11.880 --> 02:05:14.159 like like, I don't know. That type of stuff kind 2786 02:05:14.159 --> 02:05:14.920 of weirds me out. 2787 02:05:14.960 --> 02:05:17.000 That's why I'm not I'm not ashamed to say with 2788 02:05:17.039 --> 02:05:19.439 Warhammer three, because it's an in depth strategy game where 2789 02:05:19.439 --> 02:05:21.960 I'm actually like considering shit and like there's some sort 2790 02:05:22.000 --> 02:05:24.279 of stimulation. But also it's funny looking back at the 2791 02:05:24.439 --> 02:05:27.560 time frame when I was playing warframe like that. It's 2792 02:05:27.720 --> 02:05:30.199 very funny to look at my like life of relationships 2793 02:05:30.279 --> 02:05:33.039 circumstances and know exactly why I was playing that like 2794 02:05:33.960 --> 02:05:36.960 that in that method. But so clearly there is some 2795 02:05:37.079 --> 02:05:39.319 like self medication going on in a in a way 2796 02:05:39.479 --> 02:05:42.279 that I also didn't need to be doing but and. 2797 02:05:42.319 --> 02:05:43.920 I think they're really good ones do a good job 2798 02:05:43.960 --> 02:05:45.640 of hiding it because like I have studied a lot 2799 02:05:45.680 --> 02:05:48.039 of time just playing fucking Fortnite the last two weeks 2800 02:05:48.039 --> 02:05:49.880 because I gotta get Homer. He's the last thing in 2801 02:05:49.920 --> 02:05:50.600 the battle pass. 2802 02:05:50.720 --> 02:05:52.479 I gotta fucking do that. Yeah. 2803 02:05:53.399 --> 02:05:57.119 Yeah, there's like a whole episode worth of like my 2804 02:05:57.279 --> 02:06:00.439 thoughts on where much of game design is today, which 2805 02:06:00.680 --> 02:06:03.600 is why I infinitely appreciate Mary you bring in cool 2806 02:06:03.640 --> 02:06:05.399 indie games that are not like that all the time, 2807 02:06:05.640 --> 02:06:07.720 Dan you being able to dive into stuff that's like 2808 02:06:07.880 --> 02:06:11.119 still very quote unquote old school, and how it's not 2809 02:06:11.319 --> 02:06:12.960 always just a carrot on a stick in front of 2810 02:06:13.000 --> 02:06:16.039 you every five minutes. But I also talk with people 2811 02:06:16.079 --> 02:06:17.560 I work about this all the time, because we work 2812 02:06:17.560 --> 02:06:20.359 with studios all over the world, and it's like some 2813 02:06:20.479 --> 02:06:23.159 of the advice we give them is often counter to 2814 02:06:23.359 --> 02:06:28.039 what a lot of like live service video games are 2815 02:06:28.079 --> 02:06:30.279 doing these days, and that that. 2816 02:06:30.439 --> 02:06:31.119 Grosses me out. 2817 02:06:31.119 --> 02:06:32.720 Though, Like when I hear, like, you know, there are 2818 02:06:32.760 --> 02:06:34.880 certain like you mainly hear by this, like the mobile 2819 02:06:34.880 --> 02:06:36.880 space and stuff with people who bring like psychologists on 2820 02:06:36.960 --> 02:06:39.439 staff to like try to like, how do we incentive 2821 02:06:39.439 --> 02:06:41.760 by a player and in centim by players to keep 2822 02:06:41.840 --> 02:06:44.319 playing and not stopping or like you know, check in 2823 02:06:44.439 --> 02:06:46.359 every two hours, and like, remember the one time I 2824 02:06:46.399 --> 02:06:48.479 played a Class Royale for like a month or whatever, 2825 02:06:48.520 --> 02:06:49.960 and it was the one like kind of mobile game. 2826 02:06:50.000 --> 02:06:52.199 I would put some money into it and everything, not 2827 02:06:52.319 --> 02:06:54.680 like a lot, but like and just seeing like a 2828 02:06:54.720 --> 02:06:56.840 glimpse of that and being like, oh, this is gross. 2829 02:06:57.079 --> 02:06:59.600 I don't like how this feels and I and I 2830 02:06:59.680 --> 02:07:02.039 see how much it works and how effective it is, 2831 02:07:02.159 --> 02:07:04.640 and it's like, I don't want to engage with this 2832 02:07:04.760 --> 02:07:05.399 part of gaming. 2833 02:07:05.840 --> 02:07:08.000 Yeah, and you mentioned the good games are good at 2834 02:07:08.079 --> 02:07:10.399 hiding it. This is a different thing because it's not 2835 02:07:10.520 --> 02:07:12.640 trying to get you to spend micro transactions. But you 2836 02:07:12.680 --> 02:07:15.000 look back at, uh, what's who what's the name of 2837 02:07:15.000 --> 02:07:19.319 the blatro dude? He local he used his experience designing 2838 02:07:19.359 --> 02:07:22.159 slot machine interfaces to get people to like, obviously, that's 2839 02:07:22.239 --> 02:07:25.119 very much like a that's a very very intelligent rogue. 2840 02:07:25.159 --> 02:07:26.479 Leg we all, it was our game of the year. 2841 02:07:26.520 --> 02:07:27.479 It's an incredible game. 2842 02:07:27.520 --> 02:07:30.399 But like he himself has said, like, oh no, like 2843 02:07:30.479 --> 02:07:33.920 some of the visual stimuli that keep you playing on 2844 02:07:34.039 --> 02:07:36.880 slot machines. I used that for Bilatro, which is funny because. 2845 02:07:36.720 --> 02:07:39.800 Vampire Survivors did the same. Yeah, you know, it's like, yeah. 2846 02:07:40.079 --> 02:07:41.479 Is that what I'm thinking of? Or no, I think 2847 02:07:41.560 --> 02:07:44.520 Blatro was Yeah, if you But either way. 2848 02:07:44.439 --> 02:07:46.359 I want to say it almost might have been Vampire 2849 02:07:46.359 --> 02:07:48.319 Survivors stuff when like all the different like you. 2850 02:07:48.359 --> 02:07:50.199 Know, it's totally Vampire surrivor it's not. 2851 02:07:50.680 --> 02:07:54.239 I'm so sorry to the creative Bilotro that game remains sacrosanct. 2852 02:07:54.600 --> 02:07:56.840 But yeah, no, Vampire Spibers absolutely knows how to keep 2853 02:07:56.880 --> 02:07:59.479 you like just in a trance while things are blowing. 2854 02:07:59.520 --> 02:08:01.479 Work ship, and if you spend time in a casino 2855 02:08:01.680 --> 02:08:03.439 or in Vegas, it's like you see it and it's 2856 02:08:03.520 --> 02:08:05.279 like all these little tricks and stuff, like you can 2857 02:08:05.359 --> 02:08:07.840 go in and know like okay, there's no windows, there's 2858 02:08:07.880 --> 02:08:09.720 no clocks. They're doing these things on the ceiling to 2859 02:08:09.760 --> 02:08:11.600 make it look like it's the daytime outside. Yeah, like 2860 02:08:11.760 --> 02:08:14.760 you can know that stuff and it's still extremely effective. 2861 02:08:14.920 --> 02:08:16.760 So it's like, I don't know, it's good to just 2862 02:08:16.840 --> 02:08:18.760 kind of like just kind of back out of that. 2863 02:08:19.199 --> 02:08:19.399 Yep. 2864 02:08:20.720 --> 02:08:22.520 Well, thank you Doc Kenslow for the question. All Right, 2865 02:08:22.600 --> 02:08:25.039 last question, tonight, Hey, escapists, I listened to a lot 2866 02:08:25.119 --> 02:08:26.840 of the Giant Bomb Extended universe, and I think that 2867 02:08:26.880 --> 02:08:28.680 you guys put together my favorite Game of the Year 2868 02:08:28.680 --> 02:08:29.439 content each year. 2869 02:08:29.600 --> 02:08:30.720 Thank you very much, Robbie. 2870 02:08:30.960 --> 02:08:32.680 I think it's great to see and hear the energy 2871 02:08:32.720 --> 02:08:35.119 you all bring being in the same room together. Also, 2872 02:08:35.159 --> 02:08:37.119 it is fun hearing the banter and arguments that ensue 2873 02:08:37.119 --> 02:08:39.520 from the alcohol being consumed. We don't consume any alcoho. 2874 02:08:39.520 --> 02:08:40.840 I don't know what you're talking about. You all have 2875 02:08:40.920 --> 02:08:43.600 worked in a lot of places of the years, GameSpot, Polygon, Game, 2876 02:08:44.039 --> 02:08:46.720 Giant Bomb, Game Informer, et cetera. My question is what 2877 02:08:46.840 --> 02:08:49.079 are some of your favorite and least favorite parts of 2878 02:08:49.159 --> 02:08:51.039 the Game of the Year process from your previous places 2879 02:08:51.079 --> 02:08:53.399 of work. You don't have to mention places or names, 2880 02:08:53.439 --> 02:08:55.199 but just curious if there were some highlights or low 2881 02:08:55.279 --> 02:08:57.079 lights you could share. Keep up the great work and 2882 02:08:57.159 --> 02:08:59.560 looking forward to this year's Game of the Year. Thanks Robi. 2883 02:09:00.039 --> 02:09:02.119 A bit of an inside baseball question, but I feel 2884 02:09:02.119 --> 02:09:04.399 like a lot of people would, considering how much fun 2885 02:09:04.439 --> 02:09:05.880 we have a Game of the Year, I would like 2886 02:09:05.960 --> 02:09:07.439 to hear stuff we love. 2887 02:09:07.800 --> 02:09:10.279 We love these conversations, and I will say I look 2888 02:09:10.319 --> 02:09:12.359 forward to Game of the Year every year. It's like 2889 02:09:12.520 --> 02:09:16.199 super fun. There are some like consistent lulls that I 2890 02:09:16.239 --> 02:09:21.560 will never like that I always got stressed about at 2891 02:09:21.800 --> 02:09:26.800 Game Spot, which was emotional tirades of people who were like, 2892 02:09:26.880 --> 02:09:29.800 this game is really important to me personally, and I'm 2893 02:09:29.840 --> 02:09:31.600 going to explain it for twenty minutes. 2894 02:09:31.760 --> 02:09:36.279 Yes, joy, It is not yes, like okay. 2895 02:09:36.640 --> 02:09:38.880 Ethically for me to interrupt someone and be like, hey, 2896 02:09:38.880 --> 02:09:40.880 we don't really don't give a shit about that, you 2897 02:09:41.039 --> 02:09:44.279 have to sit there and listen to someone sometimes like 2898 02:09:44.439 --> 02:09:46.880 get really emotional for twenty minutes about why game is 2899 02:09:46.920 --> 02:09:49.600 so deeply and seriously important to them. 2900 02:09:49.800 --> 02:09:51.520 Fuck your trauma. I want to talk about. 2901 02:09:51.920 --> 02:09:54.560 Twenty must say like okay, okay, we're going to bet 2902 02:09:54.600 --> 02:09:59.479 on then that sucks. But like, just a game emotionally 2903 02:09:59.520 --> 02:10:02.720 hitting at is important. We're not saying it's not. That 2904 02:10:02.920 --> 02:10:05.439 doesn't mean that it should be in our top ten 2905 02:10:05.600 --> 02:10:08.920 and that is. I think sometimes it can, but I 2906 02:10:09.000 --> 02:10:10.720 think there is a limit to how much I can 2907 02:10:10.840 --> 02:10:14.600 stomach someone being like this game changed my life and 2908 02:10:14.720 --> 02:10:16.439 I hop talk to you about it, and it's just like, 2909 02:10:16.680 --> 02:10:19.479 can you can you tell dry this is so important 2910 02:10:19.479 --> 02:10:19.600 to you? 2911 02:10:20.119 --> 02:10:22.640 Yeah? Similarly, I remember there was a few instances a 2912 02:10:22.720 --> 02:10:25.279 game Spot and game Spot was a large staff across 2913 02:10:25.920 --> 02:10:27.640 how many different time zones when we had when we 2914 02:10:27.720 --> 02:10:31.319 had these and we had people calling in, and there 2915 02:10:31.439 --> 02:10:33.239 was a few times where and I'm not about I 2916 02:10:33.439 --> 02:10:36.000 don't expect every single person to be good at arguing 2917 02:10:36.039 --> 02:10:38.560 a point or even to all these people that's the 2918 02:10:38.600 --> 02:10:39.640 first time they're even doing some of this. 2919 02:10:39.880 --> 02:10:41.880 But I remember, be the best game and you're just 2920 02:10:42.000 --> 02:10:43.560 not good at explaining. 2921 02:10:43.159 --> 02:10:44.159 Yeah, And that's the thing. 2922 02:10:44.239 --> 02:10:46.680 It's like, I'm not expecting you to be like like 2923 02:10:46.960 --> 02:10:49.760 the most eloquent person ever when you're telling why this 2924 02:10:49.920 --> 02:10:52.239 game is like genius or whatever and deserves Game of 2925 02:10:52.239 --> 02:10:54.199 the Year. But I remember a couple of specific instances, 2926 02:10:54.800 --> 02:10:56.560 Pete Brown and I would be the ones in the 2927 02:10:56.640 --> 02:10:59.439 room to really and marry you to some extent too, 2928 02:10:59.479 --> 02:11:01.520 it would be the ones to push people to say 2929 02:11:01.600 --> 02:11:04.880 like people would do the whole Like I think the 2930 02:11:05.000 --> 02:11:07.479 Internet has like ruined people's brains in the sense to 2931 02:11:07.560 --> 02:11:10.479 be like it's fucking bomb, it's so good, it should 2932 02:11:10.479 --> 02:11:12.000 be on our top ten. We're like, okay, cool, why 2933 02:11:12.119 --> 02:11:15.119 and they're like it's just it's so good and I'm like, good, 2934 02:11:15.560 --> 02:11:18.239 why and they're like, it's just the best thing ever. 2935 02:11:18.359 --> 02:11:21.800 It's I was like, do you know what why means? 2936 02:11:21.840 --> 02:11:24.239 Like I and like we it was the and then 2937 02:11:24.319 --> 02:11:26.600 people would and then this. I think at a certain 2938 02:11:26.640 --> 02:11:29.279 point when you get into these conversations, even fire Escape, 2939 02:11:29.279 --> 02:11:32.319 I think there's a certain a few points every year 2940 02:11:32.600 --> 02:11:35.119 where it's you have to remind yourself not to take 2941 02:11:35.199 --> 02:11:37.279 something personally and you be an adult. But like there 2942 02:11:37.319 --> 02:11:41.119 are people who immediately within the first hour of something 2943 02:11:41.359 --> 02:11:44.680 take something very personally and too big personality. 2944 02:11:44.720 --> 02:11:46.840 This is not fire Escape, this is games. I'll say 2945 02:11:46.840 --> 02:11:48.600 it was game Spot. There were you could probably figure 2946 02:11:48.600 --> 02:11:50.279 out who I'm talking about, really. 2947 02:11:51.199 --> 02:11:56.239 Big personalities who just you can tell like an interpersonal 2948 02:11:56.319 --> 02:11:58.560 conflict is coming out in this argument. Like they're not 2949 02:11:58.680 --> 02:12:00.840 really talking about why Rock League is better than the 2950 02:12:00.840 --> 02:12:06.920 Witch are three. Their Aaron grievance is about each other. Mary, 2951 02:12:07.640 --> 02:12:09.960 you might have remembered this, and I was like, guys, 2952 02:12:10.079 --> 02:12:10.960 we are this. 2953 02:12:11.279 --> 02:12:11.479 Yeah. 2954 02:12:11.600 --> 02:12:13.640 I was like, guys, we are an hour into this, 2955 02:12:14.039 --> 02:12:16.159 like you can't be at each other's throats, like and 2956 02:12:16.239 --> 02:12:18.560 then it became about like this person not being able 2957 02:12:18.640 --> 02:12:20.880 to like separate being a critic from loving a game 2958 02:12:20.880 --> 02:12:21.279 as a fan. 2959 02:12:21.319 --> 02:12:23.880 I was like that that was the not fun, like 2960 02:12:23.960 --> 02:12:25.840 when you make it uncomfortable in the room. 2961 02:12:26.000 --> 02:12:28.600 That's That's the thing I've never understood is because to me, 2962 02:12:28.840 --> 02:12:31.439 like the content the thing you're making is like, yeah, 2963 02:12:31.479 --> 02:12:33.279 you're going to debate and you're trying to kind of 2964 02:12:33.359 --> 02:12:35.560 jockey your thing up, you know, like especially with like 2965 02:12:35.600 --> 02:12:37.880 Giant bombits always like, Okay, you gotta make your stand 2966 02:12:37.920 --> 02:12:39.039 for I know I'm the only one who. 2967 02:12:38.960 --> 02:12:40.680 Really loves Sturdy Valley. I gotta get it on the list. 2968 02:12:40.720 --> 02:12:42.720 I got it, you know, like it's like a game, 2969 02:12:43.039 --> 02:12:43.199 you know. 2970 02:12:43.399 --> 02:12:46.039 And then it's like you would hear that other people 2971 02:12:46.560 --> 02:12:49.640 treated as like or they would need like a break afterwards, 2972 02:12:49.680 --> 02:12:52.600 just going it's like emotionally rot or It's like and 2973 02:12:52.720 --> 02:12:55.000 it's like, wait, you're actually serious about this, Like wait, 2974 02:12:55.600 --> 02:12:57.680 we're just we're just talking about a game. We like, 2975 02:12:57.760 --> 02:12:59.800 trying to get on the list. Like I've never once 2976 02:13:00.079 --> 02:13:04.840 felt like upset, actually upset about something during a Game 2977 02:13:04.880 --> 02:13:05.560 of the Year argument. 2978 02:13:05.600 --> 02:13:07.039 But apparently some people like get. 2979 02:13:07.000 --> 02:13:12.159 Actually like you are very good at uh separation though, Dan, 2980 02:13:12.439 --> 02:13:16.359 I have I mean even times where I have I 2981 02:13:16.479 --> 02:13:19.920 have I have taken shots at you, and then I'm like, oh, 2982 02:13:20.000 --> 02:13:21.560 I hope that was okay, and you're like, I didn't 2983 02:13:21.560 --> 02:13:22.119 even think about it. 2984 02:13:23.319 --> 02:13:27.279 Your shots are good, but I always love that. 2985 02:13:27.680 --> 02:13:30.279 But we're also joking, and we are we are talking 2986 02:13:30.279 --> 02:13:32.560 about video games. And I try and always remind people 2987 02:13:32.840 --> 02:13:35.479 we don't save lives here. This is this is a 2988 02:13:35.640 --> 02:13:38.520 hobby that we love. We love it with our hearts, 2989 02:13:38.560 --> 02:13:39.920 we love it with our souls. We put a lot 2990 02:13:39.920 --> 02:13:41.720 of time and energy into this. You're allowed to care 2991 02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:46.000 about this, but also remember that these are things for 2992 02:13:46.159 --> 02:13:48.800 us to enjoy. And so when I say this game 2993 02:13:48.880 --> 02:13:50.520 is the most important thing in the world to me 2994 02:13:50.680 --> 02:13:52.520 and I'm so obsessed with it and it's the best, 2995 02:13:52.800 --> 02:13:54.800 and Mike goes, I didn't like it and I didn't 2996 02:13:54.800 --> 02:13:57.079 care for it at all, that is not him saying 2997 02:13:57.119 --> 02:14:00.640 anything about me personally. And you, you, you have to 2998 02:14:00.680 --> 02:14:03.640 be able to separate those things. And some people, I 2999 02:14:03.680 --> 02:14:05.720 would say, the people who really struggle at this job, 3000 02:14:06.479 --> 02:14:10.600 cannot make that distinction. Not liking your favorite game does 3001 02:14:10.680 --> 02:14:11.680 not mean they don't like you. 3002 02:14:12.279 --> 02:14:15.079 Yeah, I think one of my favorites was like, I'm 3003 02:14:15.079 --> 02:14:17.439 probably gonna get the specific games wrong, but we were 3004 02:14:17.479 --> 02:14:20.039 doing a game of the year argument like a game Informer, 3005 02:14:20.119 --> 02:14:22.239 and when we did that, none of this was for show. 3006 02:14:22.359 --> 02:14:25.000 This was behind the scenes as much as Hanson Ben 3007 02:14:25.079 --> 02:14:27.279 Hansen wanted to broadcast all of it. It was very 3008 02:14:27.359 --> 02:14:29.560 much the old school magazine style, like no, we're just 3009 02:14:29.560 --> 02:14:31.600 gonna sit down for eight hours, we're gonna hash this out. 3010 02:14:31.840 --> 02:14:33.600 Andy's gonna get up on the white board and we're 3011 02:14:33.640 --> 02:14:35.880 gonna just talk until we figure out our top fifty 3012 02:14:35.880 --> 02:14:39.119 of the year. And it was just this drawn out 3013 02:14:39.319 --> 02:14:42.680 thing of like it was something to the effect of 3014 02:14:42.840 --> 02:14:44.399 I don't think it was these actual games, but it 3015 02:14:44.479 --> 02:14:49.439 was like, okay, for number fifteen and sixteen, is it 3016 02:14:49.520 --> 02:14:52.720 going to be? Is Journey gonna be above NBA two 3017 02:14:52.840 --> 02:14:54.159 K twelve or something. 3018 02:14:54.439 --> 02:14:56.119 It was like, just like Matt. 3019 02:14:55.920 --> 02:14:58.560 Helgerson, who was one of my favorite people ever, after 3020 02:14:58.640 --> 02:15:00.199 a bunch of argument and just seeing him, I'm just 3021 02:15:00.239 --> 02:15:01.560 kind of like sitting in the corner just wanting to 3022 02:15:01.640 --> 02:15:04.199 kill himself. Just be like, guys, we're talking about if 3023 02:15:04.279 --> 02:15:06.279 Journey is better than this year's but like we're all 3024 02:15:06.319 --> 02:15:07.119 gonna die someday. 3025 02:15:08.359 --> 02:15:12.439 Let's let's save the energy for when it's necessary. Gives 3026 02:15:12.479 --> 02:15:12.880 a fuck. 3027 02:15:13.399 --> 02:15:15.720 Yeah, that that kind of stuff like I remember my 3028 02:15:16.199 --> 02:15:21.039 I think I led Chris Plant and I like kind 3029 02:15:21.079 --> 02:15:24.079 of cooperatively led. I want to say, three Game of 3030 02:15:24.079 --> 02:15:27.000 the Year discussions in a row for Polygon, and the 3031 02:15:27.159 --> 02:15:29.239 first one we did we got into the weeds like 3032 02:15:29.359 --> 02:15:31.319 that in a way that Plant and I the next 3033 02:15:31.399 --> 02:15:33.920 year we're like, we really need to cruise through like 3034 02:15:34.000 --> 02:15:38.640 the twenty to ten, the thirty, who like, at a 3035 02:15:38.720 --> 02:15:42.079 certain point, it's almost more insulting to be number fifty 3036 02:15:42.239 --> 02:15:44.439 than to not even be on the list, So let's 3037 02:15:44.479 --> 02:15:47.399 not worry about between forty fifty and forty the actual order. 3038 02:15:47.600 --> 02:15:51.840 That's like, yeah, don't don't blow your load for whether 3039 02:15:51.960 --> 02:15:54.119 or not something is forty six or forty seven. This 3040 02:15:54.239 --> 02:15:56.399 isn't like, this isn't going to kill you. 3041 02:15:56.760 --> 02:16:00.720 This Matterney, It's just matters the way that it's a 3042 02:16:00.840 --> 02:16:02.800 fun thing to listen to on a podcast and for 3043 02:16:02.880 --> 02:16:04.840 the people making it, it's a fun thing to put 3044 02:16:04.880 --> 02:16:06.520 together the list, and like, I can't wait for you 3045 02:16:06.560 --> 02:16:07.920 folks to be here in like a week and a half. 3046 02:16:07.920 --> 02:16:11.159 And it's fun to fight you. 3047 02:16:11.399 --> 02:16:14.439 It's fun to nargue about the different mechanics. 3048 02:16:14.600 --> 02:16:17.880 I think I can't imagine taking it seriously, Like like 3049 02:16:18.119 --> 02:16:20.159 I think I saw something on Reddit recently that I 3050 02:16:20.279 --> 02:16:22.000 was talking about our game of the Year stuff, and 3051 02:16:22.079 --> 02:16:24.560 it cracked me up because it was like, yeah, with 3052 02:16:24.640 --> 02:16:26.840 a fire somebody who's asking, like, oh, who else does 3053 02:16:27.600 --> 02:16:29.239 game of the year the way like old school Giant 3054 02:16:29.279 --> 02:16:31.600 Bomb did, And somebody said fire Escape And the first 3055 02:16:31.680 --> 02:16:34.680 comment was like, yeah, I don't know, I really like 3056 02:16:34.719 --> 02:16:36.159 the way they do it. But then it like kind 3057 02:16:36.159 --> 02:16:37.799 of takes some of the wait out of it when 3058 02:16:37.840 --> 02:16:40.399 you realize that, like they're gonna have all these passionate 3059 02:16:40.479 --> 02:16:42.799 arguments about it, and then three months later, none of 3060 02:16:42.840 --> 02:16:44.479 them can remember what their game of the year was. 3061 02:16:47.159 --> 02:16:52.239 All right, yeah, right, the list And that's so accurate 3062 02:16:52.920 --> 02:16:56.559 total about that. We forgot what it was the year 3063 02:16:56.639 --> 02:16:57.639 after Reternal I think. 3064 02:16:57.680 --> 02:17:00.719 But it's the games are either I forgot a lot 3065 02:17:00.760 --> 02:17:02.280 for h Yeah, Like. 3066 02:17:02.399 --> 02:17:04.959 It's a vehicle to look back on the year of 3067 02:17:05.079 --> 02:17:07.399 games and celebrate games and like just geek out and 3068 02:17:07.479 --> 02:17:09.399 talk about the games that you love, and like sometimes 3069 02:17:09.440 --> 02:17:11.200 you're like, holy shit, I forgot that came out this year. 3070 02:17:11.239 --> 02:17:13.280 That game was amazing, even though it's not like registering 3071 02:17:13.280 --> 02:17:16.559 as a twenty twenty five game, but like two years 3072 02:17:16.559 --> 02:17:17.959 ago or I think it was two years ago, maybe 3073 02:17:18.079 --> 02:17:20.319 last year, when Pickman four came out of nowhere at 3074 02:17:20.319 --> 02:17:21.719 the end and almost got tears. 3075 02:17:21.840 --> 02:17:25.760 They came out of it's like you bitches like that. 3076 02:17:26.120 --> 02:17:29.600 That was me taking something that was like me like that. 3077 02:17:29.920 --> 02:17:32.280 I could see the politics that gave rise to that, 3078 02:17:32.559 --> 02:17:36.479 and I'm like, no fucking way cool, and it was funny. 3079 02:17:36.520 --> 02:17:39.639 Sometimes I am chaos too, though, because I think, and 3080 02:17:39.760 --> 02:17:42.239 you'll probably recognize this, especially the more that I drink, 3081 02:17:42.559 --> 02:17:46.680 the more that I recognize the most important thing is 3082 02:17:46.719 --> 02:17:50.520 that we were having a fun, engaging conversation where people 3083 02:17:50.959 --> 02:17:53.239 get out of their seats and say, I've had enough 3084 02:17:53.319 --> 02:17:55.840 of you. I have to say something, and like, that's 3085 02:17:56.120 --> 02:18:00.559 good conversation if we're all agreeing about the same game. 3086 02:18:00.959 --> 02:18:03.319 I actually don't find that very interesting. So I want 3087 02:18:03.479 --> 02:18:07.000 interesting dialogue that pushes you to your limit and and 3088 02:18:07.079 --> 02:18:10.600 to Mike's point, makes you say why this game should 3089 02:18:10.600 --> 02:18:12.360 be in the top ten, because if you can't explain 3090 02:18:12.399 --> 02:18:13.879 it to me, I don't give a shit. If all 3091 02:18:13.920 --> 02:18:16.479 three of us like it, I want someone to debate 3092 02:18:16.680 --> 02:18:19.079 with me about why it has to be in the 3093 02:18:19.120 --> 02:18:21.000 top ten. And if you can't do that, I don't 3094 02:18:21.040 --> 02:18:21.639 fucking want it. 3095 02:18:21.680 --> 02:18:21.959 On there. 3096 02:18:22.040 --> 02:18:24.159 Even if I like the game, I want you to 3097 02:18:24.239 --> 02:18:26.879 prove it to me. I want to see you articulate it. 3098 02:18:26.959 --> 02:18:29.559 And I know Mike it you were all capable of this. 3099 02:18:29.639 --> 02:18:31.680 I'm probably the weakest in this element of like being 3100 02:18:31.719 --> 02:18:34.520 able to explain it, but I absolutely will personally come 3101 02:18:34.559 --> 02:18:37.120 for you if the game that I like the most 3102 02:18:37.159 --> 02:18:39.479 doesn't make it. And these are all like things that 3103 02:18:39.600 --> 02:18:41.079 we get to enjoy and have fun with. 3104 02:18:41.440 --> 02:18:43.120 That's such a fun moment too, where it's like I've 3105 02:18:43.120 --> 02:18:45.000 seen that with Gianbad numerous times, where it's like there's 3106 02:18:45.040 --> 02:18:47.520 one year Austin Walker was the only one who like 3107 02:18:47.600 --> 02:18:50.760 had played or was super passionate about this game Invisible Ink, Yeah, 3108 02:18:50.840 --> 02:18:52.799 and just to see the moment yeah, where it's like 3109 02:18:52.840 --> 02:18:54.079 it kind of clicks in where it's like, all right, 3110 02:18:54.159 --> 02:18:55.959 here's the point where I'm standing up at the podium 3111 02:18:56.040 --> 02:18:58.879 and let me tell all you motherfuckers why this game 3112 02:18:58.959 --> 02:19:01.840 is great. And he did, and it was like his 3113 02:19:02.000 --> 02:19:04.000 argument was like, Okay, yeah, none of us had played 3114 02:19:04.040 --> 02:19:07.000 this game, but it was like it's hard to argue 3115 02:19:07.079 --> 02:19:10.239 with this passion, but you can also blow it. I've 3116 02:19:10.280 --> 02:19:11.120 seen people blow. 3117 02:19:10.959 --> 02:19:14.040 It during our I made the mistakes during our I 3118 02:19:14.159 --> 02:19:19.399 have since stopped reading chat while we do these, and I, I, oh, 3119 02:19:19.559 --> 02:19:21.719 when have we ever? I don't know, twenty twenty our 3120 02:19:21.760 --> 02:19:25.159 first one. Oh, I had it up because we were 3121 02:19:25.319 --> 02:19:27.959 remote on Twitch for our first one. Right, So I 3122 02:19:28.000 --> 02:19:29.879 made the mistake for the first like half of the 3123 02:19:29.959 --> 02:19:35.479 show of having chat up. And I saw someone specifically 3124 02:19:35.559 --> 02:19:37.680 say when I was trying to push Kentucky Road zero 3125 02:19:37.799 --> 02:19:39.719 past both of you, not past you, but like I 3126 02:19:39.799 --> 02:19:41.399 was trying to convince you it should be on our list, 3127 02:19:41.879 --> 02:19:44.479 there was a chat that said, like Marty thinks he's 3128 02:19:44.520 --> 02:19:49.959 Austin Walker but sucks, and I was, yeah, it. 3129 02:19:50.040 --> 02:19:51.920 Was it was funny. I deserved it. I didn't know 3130 02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:54.479 how to talk about that. Yeah. 3131 02:19:54.719 --> 02:19:57.159 If I was your mom, I would frame that quote 3132 02:19:57.239 --> 02:19:59.079 and hang it in your dorm room. 3133 02:19:59.360 --> 02:20:02.000 I was I at that point, I was like, all right, 3134 02:20:02.000 --> 02:20:04.079 I got to turn off track because that that got me. 3135 02:20:04.799 --> 02:20:06.799 I'm done talking about zero forever. 3136 02:20:07.360 --> 02:20:08.399 Oh that's really good. 3137 02:20:08.639 --> 02:20:08.840 Yeah. 3138 02:20:09.680 --> 02:20:11.360 Maybe you needed to hear that though too. 3139 02:20:12.399 --> 02:20:14.159 When I was trying to get Kentucky Roof zero to 3140 02:20:14.280 --> 02:20:16.280 fire Escape like top five, I think. 3141 02:20:16.479 --> 02:20:19.879 That was so hard in this group. It was our 3142 02:20:19.920 --> 02:20:22.719 first Yeah, And I also think like that game was 3143 02:20:22.879 --> 02:20:28.200 very meaningful, and that's about this actually is a perfect 3144 02:20:28.520 --> 02:20:30.840 circular point to my first point, which is you also 3145 02:20:31.040 --> 02:20:35.360 recognized the point at which you're the game meaning something 3146 02:20:35.440 --> 02:20:39.799 to you personally is meaningful to me and Dan it 3147 02:20:40.000 --> 02:20:43.399 is it is very meaningful that that game was so 3148 02:20:43.600 --> 02:20:46.040 personal to you to the point where we put it 3149 02:20:46.120 --> 02:20:48.040 on the list because it probably wouldn't have been on 3150 02:20:48.200 --> 02:20:51.479 our list we we had done something. And so that 3151 02:20:51.680 --> 02:20:54.239 is like meeting in the middle. There is a point where, 3152 02:20:54.319 --> 02:20:56.760 like when we're starting to like argue tooth and nail, 3153 02:20:56.840 --> 02:20:58.319 you didn't do this mic, but like there is a 3154 02:20:58.399 --> 02:21:00.440 point where someone argues tooth and nail, be like, well 3155 02:21:00.479 --> 02:21:02.079 it should be in the top five, where it's like 3156 02:21:02.399 --> 02:21:07.079 you have to recognize that this group holistically does not 3157 02:21:07.159 --> 02:21:09.959 feel the same way you do. Your your emotional weight 3158 02:21:10.479 --> 02:21:14.280 has value, but only to a certain point. There is 3159 02:21:14.319 --> 02:21:17.399 a point in which the dynamics of this group, especially 3160 02:21:17.440 --> 02:21:20.959 people who do not read a lot, Dan, Mary, won't 3161 02:21:21.120 --> 02:21:23.680 put it very far and we just have to recognize that. 3162 02:21:24.120 --> 02:21:26.120 But there is a real like I you know, I 3163 02:21:26.200 --> 02:21:27.719 won't I can't do justice. 3164 02:21:27.760 --> 02:21:30.799 But like if you watch last year's Giant Bomb Game 3165 02:21:30.840 --> 02:21:33.959 of the Year, there's you know, Sean Turba, Sean did. 3166 02:21:34.239 --> 02:21:36.120 He talked a lot about how much I think it 3167 02:21:36.200 --> 02:21:38.120 was some Persona remake or something meant to him, and 3168 02:21:38.200 --> 02:21:41.040 like normally no Persona game I just I don't I 3169 02:21:41.040 --> 02:21:43.120 could not give less a shit about any Persona game, 3170 02:21:43.440 --> 02:21:46.120 But just hearing Sean talk about it and seeing how 3171 02:21:46.200 --> 02:21:49.159 much it affected him and everything, Like as much as 3172 02:21:49.200 --> 02:21:51.159 I don't give a fuck about Persona, I wouldn't put 3173 02:21:51.159 --> 02:21:54.239 it on any top anything list. Sitting next to him, 3174 02:21:54.360 --> 02:21:56.799 hearing him, seeing him react to it's like, yeah, I 3175 02:21:56.879 --> 02:21:58.639 have no problem with that. Like if this is Giant 3176 02:21:58.680 --> 02:22:02.239 Bomb's list, Turbo Shawn's a Giant Bomb, like absolutely, like 3177 02:22:02.959 --> 02:22:05.040 what that brought out of him, Like that's a real thing, 3178 02:22:05.239 --> 02:22:08.200 you know. Yeah, So yeah, like there's that's what makes 3179 02:22:08.239 --> 02:22:10.040 it so interesting, I think, and I think we are 3180 02:22:10.079 --> 02:22:11.840 good about that too. Where it's like if there was 3181 02:22:12.200 --> 02:22:15.000 a game, like if Mike had some rat tile game 3182 02:22:15.120 --> 02:22:16.959 that he fucking loved this year, like you know, if he, 3183 02:22:17.159 --> 02:22:19.520 you know, really made a show of it, I think 3184 02:22:19.559 --> 02:22:21.440 me and Mary would be like, Okay, sure we'll put 3185 02:22:21.440 --> 02:22:22.200 the rat title game. 3186 02:22:23.680 --> 02:22:25.760 Game of the Year, Like, yeah, it's not gonna be 3187 02:22:25.879 --> 02:22:27.920 like Super High but yeah, I like I listened to 3188 02:22:28.280 --> 02:22:30.719 and and Jake as well. I think it's also actually 3189 02:22:30.760 --> 02:22:35.360 really important. Is I think our our tiebreaker, our judicator, 3190 02:22:36.239 --> 02:22:39.920 our uh. I would just say, like our secret spice 3191 02:22:40.360 --> 02:22:42.559 is Jake, who will sometimes come out of the fucking 3192 02:22:42.600 --> 02:22:44.600 would work because this dude does not talk very much 3193 02:22:44.680 --> 02:22:47.440 and will be like I want to tell you guys 3194 02:22:47.479 --> 02:22:49.159 that this game is important. We all shut the fuck 3195 02:22:49.200 --> 02:22:51.319 up and listen to him like he's a total game changer. 3196 02:22:51.559 --> 02:22:53.120 Well, but we also get him like once a year 3197 02:22:53.319 --> 02:22:56.520 on the show when he's got a gavel. So it's terrifying. 3198 02:22:56.680 --> 02:22:59.959 Yeah, so it's this is a gang in my head. 3199 02:23:00.760 --> 02:23:01.639 It's really good. 3200 02:23:02.319 --> 02:23:06.680 It's ever and like I think last year, I was like, dude, 3201 02:23:06.760 --> 02:23:08.520 is it hot under the wig in the robes like 3202 02:23:08.600 --> 02:23:09.959 a little bit. I was like, I don't care, you're 3203 02:23:10.040 --> 02:23:11.159 keeping them month Like, I mean. 3204 02:23:11.079 --> 02:23:12.799 We're not going to change it. We just wanted to 3205 02:23:12.959 --> 02:23:13.879 know how hot it was. 3206 02:23:16.159 --> 02:23:19.920 Yeah, nice cool. Look, Yeah, no, I'm I'm looking forward 3207 02:23:19.959 --> 02:23:20.719 to game of your stuff. 3208 02:23:21.799 --> 02:23:25.159 I definitely like, I have actual things I hated at 3209 02:23:25.200 --> 02:23:27.639 GameSpot and Polygon that I'm not about to talk about now. 3210 02:23:27.719 --> 02:23:29.719 Would be good radio because I would actually be venting, 3211 02:23:30.799 --> 02:23:33.680 but by and large, like Polygon and game Spot, we 3212 02:23:33.879 --> 02:23:36.239 I also like I loved hearing intelligent people make their 3213 02:23:36.319 --> 02:23:38.280 argument for a game, and it was fun at a 3214 02:23:38.360 --> 02:23:41.319 certain point, Like even with fire Escape, there's the element 3215 02:23:41.399 --> 02:23:43.040 of like you got to know when to spend your 3216 02:23:43.079 --> 02:23:44.920 political capital and when to withhold it. 3217 02:23:45.360 --> 02:23:47.680 That's what I like. Now I've learned if I have 3218 02:23:47.760 --> 02:23:52.440 a Kentucky for zero, I should not blow my political 3219 02:23:52.520 --> 02:23:53.680 load on that game. 3220 02:23:53.719 --> 02:23:56.040 Unless you're really confident, and that's where you want to 3221 02:23:56.040 --> 02:23:57.280 put all your points this year. 3222 02:23:57.440 --> 02:24:00.000 You know, like you can't be emotional about twenty different game. 3223 02:24:00.239 --> 02:24:02.479 I think that's sucking smart and it's like my other 3224 02:24:02.760 --> 02:24:05.680 major pet peeve. So like again, as we said, you 3225 02:24:05.840 --> 02:24:09.399 can't have an emotional labor of love for twenty minutes, 3226 02:24:09.479 --> 02:24:12.360 like sum it up, like get to the fucking point. 3227 02:24:12.440 --> 02:24:14.440 The second one is is you can't do that five times. 3228 02:24:14.719 --> 02:24:17.639 You can't. You can't have five games that changed your life. 3229 02:24:17.879 --> 02:24:21.159 I think the best argument fucking three and tell. 3230 02:24:21.040 --> 02:24:24.000 Me why and that's it. But you can't do this 3231 02:24:24.159 --> 02:24:25.760 to me every time. You can't be like this is 3232 02:24:25.840 --> 02:24:28.600 the game that like changed me, Like my mom and 3233 02:24:28.639 --> 02:24:29.639 I have a better relationship. 3234 02:24:29.680 --> 02:24:32.159 Shut the fuck up. Which ones. 3235 02:24:33.319 --> 02:24:36.680 Truly need to be up a notch? You can't do this? 3236 02:24:38.000 --> 02:24:40.920 Oh yeah, No, I also think the best arguments are 3237 02:24:41.200 --> 02:24:44.559 relatively brief, Like I like, I think if you have 3238 02:24:44.639 --> 02:24:46.719 a good if you have a good point to get across, 3239 02:24:46.760 --> 02:24:48.399 I don't think it should be that long winded to 3240 02:24:48.479 --> 02:24:49.280 make I. 3241 02:24:49.399 --> 02:24:53.040 Agree the best arguers as well. And this is like 3242 02:24:53.079 --> 02:24:55.479 something that will also come up and Mike, you alluded 3243 02:24:55.479 --> 02:24:58.520 to this earlier. Is like the best arguments. You might 3244 02:24:58.600 --> 02:25:01.200 not necessarily have the best game, but you have found 3245 02:25:01.239 --> 02:25:04.440 a way to particulate your point that is convincing to 3246 02:25:04.520 --> 02:25:07.479 the group. What's so fascinating about Game of the Year 3247 02:25:08.079 --> 02:25:10.799 is that, quite frankly, like in so many of these cases, 3248 02:25:10.920 --> 02:25:13.319 it's not so much that it's just truly like this 3249 02:25:13.840 --> 02:25:16.840 objectively great game, is that the people that we're fighting 3250 02:25:16.920 --> 02:25:20.280 for it are very good at making their arguments and 3251 02:25:20.399 --> 02:25:23.680 also getting people on their side. There's a political nature 3252 02:25:23.760 --> 02:25:26.959 to this battle, right, there's three of us. If two 3253 02:25:27.040 --> 02:25:29.360 of us are like really sided on this, it can 3254 02:25:29.559 --> 02:25:30.600 sway the difference. 3255 02:25:31.360 --> 02:25:33.040 Yeah, Jake, I. 3256 02:25:33.079 --> 02:25:37.200 Consider like the bonus like surprise, like I'm tie breaking, 3257 02:25:37.520 --> 02:25:41.000 But generally speaking, the three of us make these calls 3258 02:25:42.000 --> 02:25:44.760 of like what should be where, and so if you 3259 02:25:44.840 --> 02:25:47.399 can sway someone on your side, that is a big difference. 3260 02:25:47.440 --> 02:25:50.479 So like, yeah, the game obviously huge, say in this, 3261 02:25:51.000 --> 02:25:54.000 but how you are able to argue, how you are 3262 02:25:54.079 --> 02:25:56.639 able to get people to be with you or not, 3263 02:25:56.840 --> 02:26:01.079 And especially like in my experience at games, but if 3264 02:26:01.120 --> 02:26:04.239 you could rally that room, not only could you like 3265 02:26:04.360 --> 02:26:06.680 score big points for that game, you were also the 3266 02:26:06.760 --> 02:26:09.840 coolest fucking person in that room. Like it's there was 3267 02:26:09.920 --> 02:26:13.440 a high that came from being able to get people 3268 02:26:13.520 --> 02:26:15.959 to be like, you're right, that is speaking. 3269 02:26:15.639 --> 02:26:16.239 A good game. 3270 02:26:16.520 --> 02:26:19.040 And you mentioned Jake and like really spending your points 3271 02:26:19.120 --> 02:26:22.040 appropriately and everything. I'm looking at last years and if 3272 02:26:22.079 --> 02:26:23.959 I'm looking at this right, I think lower lay in 3273 02:26:24.000 --> 02:26:26.799 the laser Ese it was number seven Jakes here that 3274 02:26:27.000 --> 02:26:30.200 was super and like and I remember Jake fucking loved 3275 02:26:30.319 --> 02:26:32.280 that game. And he came out of the wood the 3276 02:26:32.360 --> 02:26:34.440 argument in a way that's like, yep, that makes life. 3277 02:26:34.520 --> 02:26:38.319 And then guess what he did. Yep, he fucking sat 3278 02:26:38.399 --> 02:26:40.680 back down and he waited until he had something funny 3279 02:26:40.760 --> 02:26:43.680 to say. And that's why he's the judge. If he 3280 02:26:43.760 --> 02:26:47.239 did that every time, it'd be fucking annoying. I he 3281 02:26:47.440 --> 02:26:48.200 used his points. 3282 02:26:48.440 --> 02:26:50.159 I still wake up in the middle of the night 3283 02:26:50.200 --> 02:26:53.079 from a deep sleep and start laughing sometimes at the 3284 02:26:53.719 --> 02:26:56.399 memory of Jake playing the Judge thing, and then we're 3285 02:26:56.440 --> 02:26:57.719 all like waiting with baited breath. 3286 02:26:57.799 --> 02:27:00.159 He's like, give me a beer, someone give a. 3287 02:27:00.200 --> 02:27:05.959 Beer, and just said, I just don't want to hear 3288 02:27:06.000 --> 02:27:06.600 you talk anymore. 3289 02:27:06.959 --> 02:27:09.200 Yeah, He's like, this is just going on too long. 3290 02:27:11.079 --> 02:27:14.680 Anyway, everybody loves Judge Jake. I think it's a wonderful time. 3291 02:27:14.840 --> 02:27:16.959 I think there's a lot of positives, and there's a 3292 02:27:17.040 --> 02:27:21.000 lot of like there's a lot of trials and tribulations 3293 02:27:21.079 --> 02:27:23.239 of it. The good news of fire Escape is I 3294 02:27:23.280 --> 02:27:26.280 actually think it's mostly like all of the joys of 3295 02:27:26.399 --> 02:27:29.159 these things, Like there was a lot less, way less 3296 02:27:29.239 --> 02:27:31.440 drama than Game Spot. And he's just like, all right, 3297 02:27:31.639 --> 02:27:35.239 here this person I've ever been. It's like, here we are. 3298 02:27:35.840 --> 02:27:40.559 I'll say, I've literally never been legitimately angry at any. 3299 02:27:40.360 --> 02:27:45.879 Of you, though I wonder, like, have you ever been 3300 02:27:45.959 --> 02:27:49.239 legitimately angry at a game? At a Giant Bomb? 3301 02:27:49.920 --> 02:27:50.719 No game? 3302 02:27:51.120 --> 02:27:53.920 Like I think you are an anomaly, but are most 3303 02:27:54.120 --> 02:27:56.280 people do get mad at a game of the year 3304 02:27:56.680 --> 02:27:59.639 debate because and again, it's not because a game isn't 3305 02:27:59.639 --> 02:28:01.280 good and it shouldn't be that high. It's because a 3306 02:28:01.360 --> 02:28:03.000 person is fucking irritating. 3307 02:28:03.520 --> 02:28:06.559 I've never been upset about something. I have just been 3308 02:28:06.920 --> 02:28:11.200 surprised when I have seen people be legitimately upset about stuff. 3309 02:28:11.239 --> 02:28:12.399 You know, it's like, oh, I didn't know we were 3310 02:28:12.559 --> 02:28:12.799 doing that. 3311 02:28:13.319 --> 02:28:14.879 Yeah, passionate. 3312 02:28:16.639 --> 02:28:19.959 What's materializes differently in different people, and I take some 3313 02:28:20.079 --> 02:28:22.159 people it's like it's more of a toxic thing, and 3314 02:28:22.239 --> 02:28:24.840 I'm like that, I guess you did not play Mass 3315 02:28:24.840 --> 02:28:26.879 Effect Legendary Edition twenty times this year, so I'm going 3316 02:28:26.920 --> 02:28:27.959 to mix that from your argument. 3317 02:28:28.079 --> 02:28:29.280 That's physically impossible. 3318 02:28:29.520 --> 02:28:32.520 Like if I just also, like if I can also 3319 02:28:32.639 --> 02:28:34.840 just like shoot our own horn one more time, I 3320 02:28:34.879 --> 02:28:38.079 will just say something that's really awesome. I think about 3321 02:28:38.159 --> 02:28:40.399 the fire Escape dynamic is that we all have very 3322 02:28:40.440 --> 02:28:45.479 different argumentative styles. Mike is usually very analytical. You will 3323 02:28:45.520 --> 02:28:49.600 bring up like very specific points of why this game 3324 02:28:49.799 --> 02:28:55.360 is designed explicitly better. That is your secret sauce. That's 3325 02:28:55.399 --> 02:28:57.239 like what makes you extremely good at what you do. 3326 02:28:58.959 --> 02:29:03.719 I think that Dan, you have riz and you will 3327 02:29:03.879 --> 02:29:07.040 just you you have Sway and you will explain things 3328 02:29:07.079 --> 02:29:09.719 in a way that is like really charismatic and entertaining 3329 02:29:09.840 --> 02:29:11.920 and enjoyable, and people will be like, man, I like 3330 02:29:12.040 --> 02:29:13.719 this guy. I like the way you explain it, like 3331 02:29:13.760 --> 02:29:15.840 the way you say it, and people like, naturally go 3332 02:29:15.920 --> 02:29:18.959 your way, and I scare people into submission. I think 3333 02:29:19.000 --> 02:29:22.200 we all have different styles of game of the year 3334 02:29:22.319 --> 02:29:23.879 and they flow well together. 3335 02:29:24.120 --> 02:29:27.040 Marry the amount of times people when they bring fire 3336 02:29:27.159 --> 02:29:29.479 Escape up to me and the first thing they say 3337 02:29:29.639 --> 02:29:32.079 is I love fire Escape because I love how much 3338 02:29:32.200 --> 02:29:34.120 Mary can just put you in your place and just 3339 02:29:34.200 --> 02:29:35.479 shut you the fuck down. 3340 02:29:35.479 --> 02:29:36.200 And I'm like doing it. 3341 02:29:36.440 --> 02:29:39.639 Yeah, yeah, I still think about You're not important enough 3342 02:29:39.680 --> 02:29:41.799 to be this annoying, and it's like, my god, there's 3343 02:29:41.840 --> 02:29:44.719 never been a more laser bream attack at me and 3344 02:29:44.799 --> 02:29:45.159 I love it. 3345 02:29:45.319 --> 02:29:49.719 That's the Mahardi thinks he's Austin Walker but sucks common'stle. 3346 02:29:50.280 --> 02:29:51.840 I have nothing, but just like I just want to 3347 02:29:51.879 --> 02:29:54.840 applaud that and like that. That's what people love, like 3348 02:29:54.959 --> 02:29:57.079 they love that dynamic with you and me, and I'm like, 3349 02:29:57.280 --> 02:29:57.840 I get it total. 3350 02:29:57.920 --> 02:30:00.920 I think we have good dynamic together, and I think 3351 02:30:01.000 --> 02:30:03.559 that's what separates us. There are a lot of companies 3352 02:30:04.479 --> 02:30:06.520 out there that do Game of the years. But those 3353 02:30:06.600 --> 02:30:09.879 people were not They did not decide to do that together. 3354 02:30:09.959 --> 02:30:12.959 They were chosen by, like you know, people who hired them. 3355 02:30:13.079 --> 02:30:15.360 And like, there's a lot of bureaucracy that goes into that. 3356 02:30:15.440 --> 02:30:17.360 There's people that should that are in those rooms that 3357 02:30:17.399 --> 02:30:19.520 probably shouldn't be there, people that are in that room 3358 02:30:19.600 --> 02:30:21.959 that should have left ages ago. There's a lot of 3359 02:30:22.079 --> 02:30:24.159 shit going on in a lot of those rooms. We 3360 02:30:24.399 --> 02:30:26.399 choose to do this every year, and so we choose 3361 02:30:26.440 --> 02:30:28.159 to have this dynamic, and I think it I think 3362 02:30:28.200 --> 02:30:30.000 it allows for it to just be like a little 3363 02:30:30.040 --> 02:30:33.440 bit more NATCHI and a little little bit good. So anyway, 3364 02:30:33.520 --> 02:30:36.399 I'm biased, but I just prefer the way. 3365 02:30:36.280 --> 02:30:37.600 That we we do it. 3366 02:30:38.200 --> 02:30:40.239 This is making me very excited for about a week 3367 02:30:40.239 --> 02:30:40.760 and a half from now. 3368 02:30:40.799 --> 02:30:42.200 Good news, we're about to fucking do it. 3369 02:30:42.520 --> 02:30:46.200 Yeah that's our episode, thank you, Rovi. But yeah, December 3370 02:30:46.319 --> 02:30:50.639 sixth about let's just say roughly seven pm Central. We'll 3371 02:30:50.680 --> 02:30:52.760 figure out the exact time it'll be on Twitch dot tv. 3372 02:30:52.959 --> 02:30:54.680 If we're we're gonna have a dinner and then we 3373 02:30:54.760 --> 02:30:56.079 will start doing our thing. 3374 02:30:56.159 --> 02:30:59.319 Yeah, Twitch dot tv slash Dan Riikert, but also go 3375 02:30:59.520 --> 02:31:03.319 followscape Cast on YouTube if you're not a patron and 3376 02:31:03.440 --> 02:31:05.719 you want to give video versions or add free episodes 3377 02:31:06.000 --> 02:31:08.440 of our normal episodes. But also we'll be putting up 3378 02:31:08.479 --> 02:31:10.719 The Game of the Year as a two parter on 3379 02:31:10.840 --> 02:31:15.520 December eighth and the following week December fifteenth. Also, Vinnie 3380 02:31:15.600 --> 02:31:19.159 Caravella of Nextlander and I do a co op show 3381 02:31:19.239 --> 02:31:21.120 Total World Warhammer three where we're playing through. 3382 02:31:21.079 --> 02:31:22.440 A campaign for. 3383 02:31:24.040 --> 02:31:27.639 Firescape Cast and another different campaign with different factions, different 3384 02:31:27.680 --> 02:31:30.280 part of the world for next Landers. So if you're 3385 02:31:30.319 --> 02:31:33.719 not a patron for them, please go do that. They're awesome. 3386 02:31:33.840 --> 02:31:37.520 Those of you who already are, no, they're great. We 3387 02:31:38.479 --> 02:31:42.799 will we have merch It's Firescape Cast merch dot com. 3388 02:31:43.440 --> 02:31:45.840 Still can get your water bottles if you want to 3389 02:31:45.920 --> 02:31:47.799 make sure you're hydrated during Game of the Year, which 3390 02:31:47.799 --> 02:31:49.879 we need to do too. If you want to get 3391 02:31:49.920 --> 02:31:52.200 your banana hammocks, if you want to get your pajamas, 3392 02:31:52.239 --> 02:31:55.719 your swim trunks, maybe you know, stock up while it's. 3393 02:31:55.600 --> 02:31:57.879 Cold sweater for Christmas. 3394 02:31:58.360 --> 02:32:02.280 Oh do we still have is dorky Chris Christmas. You 3395 02:32:02.319 --> 02:32:04.520 can get Dorky Christmas sweatshirts. That'd be great. 3396 02:32:04.840 --> 02:32:06.799 Got a hand job yeah, yeah. 3397 02:32:07.079 --> 02:32:15.319 It's not itob it's about a hand. Yeah, the story before, 3398 02:32:15.479 --> 02:32:17.719 but that I have a friend who like said, they 3399 02:32:17.760 --> 02:32:20.520 had a holiday celebration and the little girl came down 3400 02:32:20.559 --> 02:32:23.719 the stairs and looked at everyone and said, I'm not pooping, 3401 02:32:24.399 --> 02:32:26.879 And everyone was like, all right, well, now that's all 3402 02:32:26.959 --> 02:32:33.799 we think you're doing. I probably shouldn't explain something you're 3403 02:32:33.840 --> 02:32:36.639 not doing publicly because now it's all I can think about. 3404 02:32:39.040 --> 02:32:42.319 But yeah, we're looking forward to it. Game of the Year, Dan, 3405 02:32:42.399 --> 02:32:44.120 what do you have going on in the meantime? 3406 02:32:45.200 --> 02:32:47.559 Giant Bomb? We're doing our Game of the Year stuff. 3407 02:32:48.120 --> 02:32:50.879 You know, we'll definitely be announcing when all of that's 3408 02:32:50.879 --> 02:32:53.719 going to be rolling out. We will be recording it soon. 3409 02:32:54.079 --> 02:32:56.079 We'll be doing you know, talkovers for the game awards 3410 02:32:56.120 --> 02:32:59.239 and things like that. But yes, the actual Game of 3411 02:32:59.280 --> 02:33:02.200 the Year award deliberations, we will be announcing the time 3412 02:33:02.239 --> 02:33:04.840 frame for that. But yeah, very much looking forward to it. 3413 02:33:05.319 --> 02:33:05.959 Mary, what about you? 3414 02:33:07.440 --> 02:33:13.520 Streaming every Monday on Twitch And mostly I think my 3415 02:33:13.719 --> 02:33:16.959 funnest updates right now are on Instagram dailies, Like just 3416 02:33:17.079 --> 02:33:20.639 in my day to days, I just find that an 3417 02:33:20.719 --> 02:33:23.239 update that disappears after twenty four hours is the most 3418 02:33:23.280 --> 02:33:26.719 alluring to me. So, like the majority of like what 3419 02:33:26.879 --> 02:33:28.760 I'm doing on my day to day is going on 3420 02:33:28.879 --> 02:33:30.760 Instagram stories. I just find that fun. 3421 02:33:30.959 --> 02:33:38.319 What about you, Mike, just working at magod doing the 3422 02:33:39.280 --> 02:33:41.399 more behind the scenes and video games, which is nice. 3423 02:33:41.440 --> 02:33:42.959 You've said working at MAGA. 3424 02:33:44.479 --> 02:33:47.280 Well, that's behind the scene, you got. How do I 3425 02:33:47.399 --> 02:33:47.680 put this? 3426 02:33:49.479 --> 02:33:50.120 He loves I. 3427 02:33:50.440 --> 02:33:52.079 I can't. 3428 02:33:52.200 --> 02:33:55.719 I don't blame you for hearing that. No, I'm working 3429 02:33:55.760 --> 02:33:57.479 at maggid is the company I work for. 3430 02:33:58.440 --> 02:34:00.600 We are We're all over the place. 3431 02:34:00.680 --> 02:34:03.239 I want to hear something. I want to hear something funny. 3432 02:34:03.440 --> 02:34:05.360 I will be flying to Dan's house for Game of 3433 02:34:05.360 --> 02:34:06.799 the Year from the south of France. 3434 02:34:07.120 --> 02:34:08.159 Oh my god. 3435 02:34:09.399 --> 02:34:13.879 Yeah, I wish I could help it. 3436 02:34:14.600 --> 02:34:17.520 Dan, do you know how to make an espresso martini? 3437 02:34:18.600 --> 02:34:19.079 I can do it. 3438 02:34:20.239 --> 02:34:28.360 Yeah, vodkaf espresso and vodkah I'll be making them. 3439 02:34:28.760 --> 02:34:30.719 I think that's going to be the day before Game 3440 02:34:30.840 --> 02:34:35.079 Year for what it's worth. But oh, I'll be fine. 3441 02:34:35.239 --> 02:34:36.719 I don't think I'm not going to be there long 3442 02:34:36.840 --> 02:34:38.479 enough to super get adjusted to the time. 3443 02:34:38.600 --> 02:34:40.680 For what it's worth, and they're literally gonna be chaos. 3444 02:34:41.399 --> 02:34:44.000 Here's the thing, Mike, I swear to God, you and 3445 02:34:44.319 --> 02:34:47.559 Jake need to stay awake for Naked Gun the night 3446 02:34:47.639 --> 02:34:48.959 before again. 3447 02:34:49.040 --> 02:34:49.879 I think I'll be fine. 3448 02:34:50.200 --> 02:34:53.120 I think I'll be jet lag just from the physicality 3449 02:34:53.159 --> 02:34:54.440 of traveling. But I'm only there too. 3450 02:34:54.719 --> 02:34:56.079 Have everyone seen the naked Gun? 3451 02:34:56.360 --> 02:35:01.120 No, Mike hasn't and hasn't No, Ja, Yes, I'm pretty sure. 3452 02:35:01.200 --> 02:35:03.559 Jks Okay, Well, Mike, I swear to god, it's like 3453 02:35:03.559 --> 02:35:06.440 an hour twenty five. It feels like it's twenty minutes long. 3454 02:35:06.520 --> 02:35:09.799 Oh yeah, you fucking said. I'm shoving my fingers into 3455 02:35:09.799 --> 02:35:12.440 your Brainstand you don't stay away. 3456 02:35:12.600 --> 02:35:14.840 That's a very weird threat out for people who don't 3457 02:35:14.920 --> 02:35:16.159 didn't see the context last year. 3458 02:35:16.159 --> 02:35:17.360 I'm not even gonna expound that. 3459 02:35:17.799 --> 02:35:20.319 Video evidence somewhere. I don't know what I've done with it. 3460 02:35:20.559 --> 02:35:23.040 But yeah, yeah, no, I'm I'm I'm not going to 3461 02:35:23.120 --> 02:35:25.239 be in France long. It's like literally two nights and 3462 02:35:25.319 --> 02:35:25.760 then I'm back. 3463 02:35:26.280 --> 02:35:27.360 You're going to France? 3464 02:35:28.559 --> 02:35:34.520 You can't. I can't, Mike, I lived there. If I could, 3465 02:35:34.959 --> 02:35:38.000 Oh I can, I might, I will, It is reasonable, 3466 02:35:38.479 --> 02:35:39.600 all right, but uh No. 3467 02:35:39.719 --> 02:35:42.559 In the meantime, I'm I don't really do anything forward facing. 3468 02:35:42.680 --> 02:35:44.760 I'm just here this is you, guys, get all of 3469 02:35:44.840 --> 02:35:49.440 my forward facing Shenan's. Oh god, damn that video I 3470 02:35:49.520 --> 02:35:52.239 sent you. This is the first time that's that's the 3471 02:35:52.280 --> 02:35:54.920 first time I heard vodka soda referred to as a 3472 02:35:55.000 --> 02:35:55.600 vod sod. 3473 02:35:56.600 --> 02:35:57.559 I really didn't like it. 3474 02:35:58.159 --> 02:36:00.959 Up, order a couple of are before you switch over. 3475 02:36:01.120 --> 02:36:06.840 Some cours lattes. I hated it too, but those were 3476 02:36:06.840 --> 02:36:08.959 stuck about it. I want a cours latte before I 3477 02:36:09.000 --> 02:36:11.200 switched to the vodside. All right, we will be back 3478 02:36:12.120 --> 02:36:15.280 for Game of the Year Live December sixth, Bookmarket. 3479 02:36:15.680 --> 02:36:22.200 We will see you then, bye bye bye. All right, 3480 02:36:22.239 --> 02:36:23.200 I'm gonna stop recording. 3481 02:36:27.319 --> 02:36:29.040 That was very funny, I thought. 3482 02:36:30.639 --> 02:36:30.680 H