Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time.
Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend.
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Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: We get ready for a weekend. It has a Friday night, Yes,
Friday night attempt at a world title for Keyshawn Davis.
We're ready to review the whole card at the MSG Theater,
the top ranked card. We've got a Desonne Matchroom, a
show in Manchester, England with Jack Catterall and Arnold Barbosa.
We've got a Golden Boys show with Oscar Duarte in
the man event, a ton to preview and Dmitri Beevil
who will now be challenging Archer betterbev not this weekend,
but next weekend, February twenty second. He's on the pod
right here with us on the preview pod. I'm merely
TJ Reeves. He is our insider, Big Dan Rayphiel, who
once again, you're playing hurt, You're not feeling good, but
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I know you're ready to get into all of this
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going into the weekend. All right, So with with that,
Keyshawn Davis is up first. It's the WBO lightweight title.
We mentioned this a couple of times in and around
the interview. Now he goes for his first world title.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Dennis Baranchik is the WBO light weight champion, won the
vacant belt main event Top Rank Boxing. This is Friday night.
We need to repeat this. This is Friday Night on
the fourteenth, all right, Dan, your thoughts on that and
then we'll get into the undercard as well, but your
thoughts on it being here.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm excited for this fight. This is a good matchup.
This is interesting to me. You mentioned about Bearachek. He
won the vacant title close fight against am Angel never
at Day back in May, considered an upset. Obviously never
at Day had been or is still the one hundred
and thirty pound title there. He had moved up for
the opportunity the fight for the vacant belt. Everybody just
thought it was a you know, gonna be clear cut
that he would win the fight. But he didn't, so
he lost, went back down to one thirty and now
Brenchick Is waited a while to make his first defense.
This was always sort of the target. Top Rank had
an option on his next fight, and they wanted to
match him up with Keishawn Davis, which they are doing.
Keisha had to get through his fight that took place,
you know, just a you know what a couple of
months ago against a Gestavo Lemos. He looked really good
in that fight that was back in November. Scored a
sensational sect round against a guy that came in dramatically overweight.
And I've said this before TJ. Ever since, Keishan Davis
had his win, but a very uneven kind of lackluster
performance and a decision over n here Albright. This is
in October of twenty twenty three, after which he had
a positive marijuana test, which although marijuana is legal in
many places in the United States, it is against the
rules of to my knowledge, virtually every commission in the country.
There's a few that have loosened their rules, including Nevada.
But he got suspended, he got fined, and the fight
was overturned to a no contest, and he was kind
of very irritated by that, said, I'm not going to
stop smoking weed, blah blah blah. In the end, he'd
made some changes and it's been better for him. And
ever since that fight, when he claims he stopped smoking,
he has looked absolutely spectacular in three straight fights since
then when he came back from his suspension. Pedraza, who
had never been absolutely destroyed in six rounds. Miguel Midwena,
who you'll hear about later because he's fighting Duarte on
the Golden Boy card, looked really, really good and basically
pitched a clear, you know, almost a near shot out
nine rounds to one on all three scorecards. And then
came the Lamos fight, considered a good puncher, a dangerous fight,
a bigger guy, and he just destroyed him in two rounds.
And that was going against Branchik, who is an accomplished fighter.
He's an Olympian, won a silver medal back in the day,
is part of the group that produced Lomachenko and Usik
and Vozik. He was part of that great Ukrainian team.
A little bit under the radar compared to those guys
because he's been somewhat inactive, but he is undefeated at
nineteen to zero. Also a silver medal winner like Kishan,
was accepted different Olympics. But Kishan is really coming into
his own. And I was really kind of blown away
to tell to tj Is earlier today before we started
to tape this, I saw some of the video from
the weigh in. They got into a ridiculous pushing match.
But the thing that was clear to me is that
Kishon Davis is a much bigger guy than Branchick in
terms of his height. He towered over him. And when
you have the kind of speed and the kind of
reflexes and the kind of youth and the kind of
ring smarts, and you're that much bigger than the other
guy who's eleven years older than Kishon Davis, who's twenty five.
Branchick is thirty six, even though he's a very good fighter.
I mean, this is to me, this is a chance
for Kishon Davis, in my mind, to just look spectacular
against a good opponent. And I think that if he
takes care of his business, this is the start of
what's going to be a career where he could push himself,
you know, very close to the top of the sport
for many years to come. So this is the main event.
It's a chance to see a young fighter perhaps come
into his own and that's what I'm looking forward to it.
If Brentchick can pull the upset, even though he's the
reigning title holder, you know, that'll be a huge, huge
feather in his cap because I don't think many people
are giving him a chance, but he's been there before.
No one gave him a chance against Neverette and look
what happened. So I'm really interested in this main event,
really interested. And it's great. It's a great Madison Square
Guard theater for me anyway, and I've covered a million
fights there to me, one of my favorite spots to
be at a fight. It's no matter you're sitting the
front row or a last row. You got a good seat. Obviously,
it looks good on TV. And I'm pumped up for
this one, all right.
Speaker 3: So again a chance at a world title and you
heard from Keishawn Davis. It's on the pod feed immediately
before is if you didn't hear from this with a
chance for him to go for it, we're anxious to
see what happens with that. But as we like to say,
but wait, that's not all because up and coming junior
middleweight contender Xander Zaiez is in the co feature. And
I joke with you about this name slawa Spoemer that
it sounds more like a dish you would find in
an Eastern European cafe. But give me a little more
on this because this will lead into the main event
on Friday night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's two other fights on the main card.
It's obviously the main event with Keisha, and it's the
Xander Zaias against Boemer fight, and then also the popular
New Jersey you fighter Fdo mil Nikki Junior is going
into the middleweight to fight Hunter Coyle. That's the three
main card fights. But Xander is in the co feature
against Boehmer was from Germany. He's he's much older. You know,
Xander's what twenty one to twenty two, Spowmer's thirty two
from Germany, but he's undefeated at twenty zero with eleven knockouts.
And then talking to the people at top rank and
their matchmakers, they look at this fight as clearly the
toughest test they believe, at least on paper. Anyway, for
Xander's ayas in his career, and it's about time that
he steps up a little bit. I mean, we've all
watched his evolution as a kid to turn pro when
he was like seventeen years old. But now he's twenty
two years old. You know, he's still young obviously, but
he's got twenty pro fights. Now he's gotten the reps
in he's by all accounts a very diligent trainer in
the gym, and it's time to see what he can do.
Twenty two in boxing is not that young if you've
got twenty fights under your belt. I mean, to use
the most glaring example, Mike Tyson was the heavyweight champion
of the world at you know, younger than that. So
just a chance for him to show his stuff, to
really make a statement. And I think eventually one of
the reasons why they've got mil Nicki, who's his own
in his own career going on. But Top Rank looks
at an eventual fight between mil Nicki and Xander's Eyes
as a really popular attraction fight in a place like
New York where they both have a fan base. You know,
he's a New Jersey guy who brings fans to the arena.
We know about Xander's Eyes, who's popular with the Puerto
Rican fans in New York. So well, we got to
see him get through Spowmer first. He's not really fought
a lot of name guys obviously, but that's the co feature.
All eyes will be on. Keishawn Davis against Barentchik. But
to see some of these other young guys like mil Nikki,
like Xander in action is also good because they make
pretty good fights and they're fighting reputable opponents and we'll
see how it works out.
Speaker 3: So Melniki is fighting Connor Coyle, a veteran, and that
is also as you mentioned here on is Coyle going
to be a test? We faint maybe.
Speaker 1: Bill Nicky can be runs hot and cold sometimes, so
you never know. But Coyle is older, he's thirty four.
It's like the younger guys are fighting older guys, but
the older guys have great records and have some experience.
He's twenty one to oho with nine knockouts. He is
from Northern Ireland. Maybe there'll be some Irish fans and
also turned out to watch him. The Irish and New
York obviously very supportive of their of their fights and
their fighters in their community. But he does not have
a big track record. This is uh, you know, I
can't say he's a big name opponent, but he's fought
the usual suspects on the way up. So I mean, look,
my great hope is they just turned into good fight
because you know, Noil Nicky's got a lot of hype,
and while he seems like a nice fighter and a
nice guy, I've never viewed him as like that elite
blue chip type of prospect the same way some people
have viewed Xander's eyes and others. But hopefully we get
a nice fight and quickly.
Speaker 3: Also on the under card, the name Abdullah Mason worth
turning in for.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Listen. Honestly, the the the carsh the portion
of this card that is on ESPN Plus before the
main card starts is is jam with top ranks, top
fighters as they're getting a kickoff to the two thousand
twenty five calendar year. So I'll just run down a
few in order, not in order, but just the guys
who are on the show. You mentioned Abdullah Mason, who
was a lot of people's prospect of the Year last year,
is certainly a superb up and comer. He was number
two on my list behind Moses E. Tama, but he's
sixteen to zero. He's on the card. You have Nico
Ali Walsh, obviously the grandson of Muhammad Ali. He's on
the card. You have Keon Davis, who is going to
be a second professional fight, who was a touted amateur.
He is the younger brother of Keishan Davis, who was
in the main event. He got je Meta Lopez, who
is the son of the former featherweight and junior featherweight
champion one Manuel Lopez, who's now with Top Break making
his professional debut. He is a junior bantamweight. You have
one of my favorite prospects who doesn't get the love
and doesn't get the hype, but deserves it, and that's
the Dominican welterweight Rowan Polanko who's fourteen to zero. He
is going to be a force, in my opinion, down
the road. And we have the comeback of one Jared
Anderson after he got absolutely destroyed by Martin McCauley in August.
They have men very soft. I mean this is somebody
involved with this fight said this should be like a
first or second round knockout. Basically, get back on the horse,
get your mojo back, get your confidence back, shake off
that horrendous performance in August. He's fighting a fighter named
Marios Colias who's twelve to three and one who's been
stopped in one fight, thirty three years old from Greece. Okay,
they don't bring guys from Greece to New York to
fight unless there is a reason. And there's a reason,
and that's to be splatte Ola against Jared Anderson.
Speaker 3: And by the way, Nico Ali Walsh and Dan I
have to make you laugh and smile. If you might
have heard, he's the grandson of Muhammad Ali. He's also
on this car.
Speaker 1: I think I said that, TJ. And so you pay attention.
Speaker 3: What I do? I do try to pay attentions best
I can. I think you listed about fifty seven fights
that are going to be on ESPN plus here, so
they have the roll call as you mentioned, and again
we need to emphasize for the peeps, this is Friday night,
Friday night as we release the pod Thursday night into Friday,
So get ready for this on ESPN coming up. All
right again, Dmitri Bbol in a few minutes with Dan first,
though earlier in the afternoon on Saturday US Times Saturday
Night in Manchester, England, Jack Catterall, Arnold Barboza. This is
an interesting fight for the vacant interim WBO Junior Welterweay title.
We've talked about this because this has a possibility, if
not a real possibility of being ultimately the WBO champion.
And I'm saying this, I think it's a pretty competitive
matchup on paper. What say you?
Speaker 1: Oh, I agree with that. I think it's a competitive
matchup on paper. When they first made the match, it
was supposed to be just a straight title eliminator for
the WBO. And then because of the uncertainty that was
going on with ta Fimo Lopez's career, he was he
is the champion, and in various things that were taking place,
he was turning down fights. He was in active relatively speaking.
The WBO determined that this and that the winner would
be the mandatory if it had still been the liminator,
but they decided at the WBO to allow this to
be for the interim title. So technically the winner is
the mandatory. Who's supposed to be the next opponent for
tia Fimo Lopez. Now, now I'm not gonna say it
won't happen, but given that tia Fimo is right now
in the throes of negotiating a three fight deal with
Turkey al Chic, you know, with the with the okay
from top rank, which is gonna get paid very well.
To finalize that agreement, they're looking to see what he's
going to do in his next fight. There's been, you know, discussions,
maybe he fight the winner this fight. There's obviously been
a lot of conversation that they're looking at unification fight
against Richards and Hitchins a very makeable fight. Keith Connelly
is the manager for Lopez and for Hitchens, so that
may be able to help make that fight, even though
a lot of times managers are not willing or interested
to put their fighters together. But given the money on
the table from the from the Saudi's, it's it's a
distinct possibility. But in terms of the matchup itself between
Catterall and Barbosa, look, Barbosa's undefeated. He's going over to
fight Catterall in his home area, uh, right outside of Manchester,
and which is where Catterall's from. The fights taking place
in Manchester. Style wise, like, I've not been a big
lover of this fight because they're both guys that you
need to come to them to make it a big fight,
to make it a good fight, and they're not usually
the guys that step out and on the front foot
and go for it. They're more of the guys that
like to lay back encounters a bit, so I am
skeptical of the action that the fight will produce. I
hope I am wrong and it turns out to be
a good fight. That said, they're both, you know, certainly
clearcut top ten guys in that division. Although you look
back a couple of fights ago. For Barbosa, yes, he
is coming off a very good victory against Jose Ramirez
that took place on the Latino Night card that was
in Riha back in November. But the fight before that,
I thought he lost the fight in April on the
undercard of Devin Haney against Ryan Garcia and Caterall. You know,
obviously he got the revenge on Josh Taylor. That was
a huge win for him. He's only got the one loss.
That was obviously the highly controversial fight with Taylor in
their first fight when he challenged. At the time, Taylor
was still the undisputed champion at junior Wealter. So look,
they're taking two of the better guys in the way
class are matching them up, and you can never complain
when the best fight the best, and that's what this is.
They're not maybe number one, but they're certainly among the
top contenders at one hundred and forty pounds and the winner,
like you said, TJ, either's going to get a title
shot against Tiachimo or is going to be elevated to
the fall champion.
Speaker 3: Compelling reasons first mentioned by the way will handicap this
fight a true fifty to fifty fight, it looks like
on the bet Us line on the bet Us Handicapping
Show One Eastern Time. Rayfield loves to sing along with
me on the bet Us platforms including YouTube find us
on Friday afternoon, as we handicapped this fight, I won more. Wait,
we're not done yet on the previews before we get
to Dmitri b Bol. That is the Saturday night Golden
Boy des Own show in Anaheim, California that was supposed
to be Oscar Duarte and Regis Progray, but Pro Gray
injured And did you mention the name earlier Miguel Madueno.
Speaker 1: I believe he did.
Speaker 3: He's now in in this main event in Anaheim, California
to kind of wrap the weekend on Saturday night. So
give me a little more on the new opponent in
the main event for Duarte.
Speaker 1: Here, I mean all things considered for them to get
midueto on. You know what a week and a half,
two weeks, notice that most ten days notice thereabouts. It's
a pretty good saved, you know. So you got to
give the credit to them for saving it. With a
reputable type opponent, Duarte has kind of been coming into
his own and established himself now as as also a
good contender at one hundred and forty pounds. We talked
about one hundred and forty pound fight between Catall you
know that's coming up against Barbosa. This is just another
guy on the list of you know, good quality, top
tennish fighters in the division. Remember he lost by a
knockout to Ryan Garcia. That was back in the end
of twenty twenty three. Gave a pretty good fight but
got stopped. Since then though, he's won two fights and
looked pretty darn good in it. He stopped Joseph Diaz Junior,
that was pretty impressive. He stopped in the ninth round,
and then he had a really good fight, exciting but
clear cut victory against battier Akmandoff, who's probably the most
hard luck ten to three fighter in the history of
now ten and four boxer in the history of boxing
right now. He's kind of been close, but no cigar
in some of his fights. But he's a really good fighter,
and that was an excellent fight. That was also in
that November Latino Night card that was in Rihanna. So
coming off that, they match him up with Regis Progray,
you know, who has had his issues obviously in recent fights.
Miguel Madueno steps in to take his place. He's got
a very good record thirty one and three with twenty
eight knockouts, a twenty six year old fighter from Mexico,
carries a very good punch. He is coming off of
a loss, however, different style of opponent though compared to
what he's gonna be facing against Duarte. Duarte is a
straight ahead, let me brawl, you, let me box, let
me just you know, punch your face out. But he's
coming off a ten round decision loss where he lost
basically every single round against Keishawan Davis. That was back
in July. That was ninety nine ninety one and all
three scorecards. So you know, the jury is out. I
guess we'll see. You know, Keishaw's a tough style for
pretty much anybody. Duarte is much more straightforward. We'll see
the thing that does give me pause though, is in
twenty twenty three, which was three fights ago, he also
lost a decision to the very big hearted but very straightforward,
not complicated Steve Claggett, you know who obviously people know
from his loss more recently just to tfi Ma Lopez.
So look, I think Miduena will be there to fight,
and you know, it's up to Duarte to show that
he's a different level and do what he's supposed to do,
which is to win and perhaps win by a knockout.
Midueno has never been stopped though, so that's sort of
the thing I'm looking for. It's one thing to beat Miduena,
who's got the losses as I mentioned, but he's never
been stopped, and his losses that took place against Keishaan
against Claggett, and they got to go back a number,
you know, back in twenty twenty two where he got
a twelve round decision loss to Jezreel Corrals, who at
one point had a title at one hundred and thirty pounds.
So but good save for Golden Boys, So pat on
the back for them for saving the show. And that'll
be a that'll be a fun card you know they
got Darius Foldrum to light heavyweight up and cover. Who's
on the under card or super middleweight, who's an excellent
upcoming prospect. I'm looking forward to watching Kenneth Sims and
a good contender in the in one hundred and forty
seven hundred and forty pound way class. Who's back in
action on on that show after having had to pull
out of a previous fight with an injury, So we'll see.
I mean, I'm always happy to see these guys get
back in action, no doubt.
Speaker 3: All right, plenty there again, whether it's in New York
on Friday night, Manchester, England, saurday afternoon US time, or
Saturday night late night in Anaheim, California for the Golden
Boys show. Lots of previews and then we get to
next weekend and the rematch on February twenty second for
Dmitri Bevol against Arthur Betterbiev for the undisputed light heavyweight title.
But before we ever go to fight week, you can
hear from Dmitri Bevil right now here as a part
of the preview pod as he is with Dan Rayfield
in advance of fight week coming up.
Speaker 1: Well, it is my pleasure to welcome back to our
podcast the former light heavyweight champion Dmitri Bevil. Dmitri, thank
you very much for being back on the show with us.
Last time we spoke, you were going into a huge
fight for the undisputed title with Arthur Bedder BV didn't
go your Now you're getting ready for the rematch, so
we're here to talk about it. That fight will take
place February twenty second. It is the main event of
a massive READ season card, a tremendous card in Read
Saudi Arabia. I know you're in Turkey now training for
the fight, so, Dmitri, thank you very much for joining me.
How's everything going getting ready for the rematch?
Speaker 2: Thank you. Everything is going well. I'm in the good mood.
Speaker 4: We have good trainings and everything as well.
Speaker 1: So before we get to the rematch, I want to
just talk a little bit about the first fight that
took place this past October. Great matchup one versus two
for the undisputed championship. There hadn't been an undisputed champ
in twenty five years since Roy Jones, and it was
a really close fight Dmitri. He ended up winning a
majority decision and I just wanted to know if you
could describe to me just your overall disappointment and not
getting your hand raised that night.
Speaker 2: You know, of course I was disappointed, but I didn't win.
It was my first lose.
Speaker 4: But generally I didn't like myself because I didn't do well.
You know, if I look at myself, I could be better,
but I wasn't, you know, And this is enough for me.
I don't want to discuss something more. I just didn't
like myself that night. It was some good moments, but
it could be more. I could do more. And now
I have to be focused on my second fight and
I have to do much more.
Speaker 2: I have to create much more good moments.
Speaker 1: How hard was it to kind of get over that?
Did it take a couple of days, a couple of weeks?
Are you still dealing with it.
Speaker 2: Not?
Speaker 4: You know, at the beginning, I was like, Okay, this
is my this is my life. I have to deal
with this. Then I was okay. Then some some days
I wasn't happy that I'm not a champion anymore, but
not not too much. Thanks God, I didn't injure it.
I didn't break my hand or something else. You know,
I got experience, and I got pretty much.
Speaker 2: It was fine.
Speaker 1: So the fighter scores were one sixteen to one twelve,
one fifteen to one thirteen in better B's favor. The
other judge had it one fourteen to one fourteen, which,
being honest, Dmitri, that's how I scored the fighter draw.
But I wondered, do you view it as was the
result controversial or was it just a really close fight
that baby could have gotten either way and he just
happened to be the guy that got it that night.
Speaker 2: Boat seen in a Bosky boy was just it was
very close fight.
Speaker 4: And yeah, maybe he was more luck of more lucky
in that day that his trial was much more better
for judges, but it doesn't matter. He I didn't count
rounds even when I was watching the fight, but my
feelings was that yeah, I could I could do more.
Speaker 1: So you've got so you've gone back and looked at
the fight, but you've not actually scored it. I was
gonna ask you, like, how did you score the fight?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, I didn't. I didn't score it at all.
Speaker 4: I'm usually not scoring fights when i'm watching, even if
somebody's fighting.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how to explain.
Speaker 4: I'm just watching and I'm trying to find some moments,
you know, which is nice, you know, some combinations like
and I'm enjoying it, or I don't enjoy some combinations,
or I can see some mistakes or some good moments.
Speaker 2: Just I'm watching fights like this.
Speaker 1: So you said a few times you needed that you
needed to do more, and I and I, you know,
I thought you fought a hell of a fight. I
thought that he fought a very good fight. Also, so
when you say you needed to do more, I wonder
if you could be a little more specific about the
kinds of things that you need to do more.
Speaker 2: I need to I need to target. Yeah, I said
bush and more. I need to be more precise.
Speaker 4: I don't want to say more direct things, but generally,
I just need to do more. To everybody not questioning
who's the winner of this fight.
Speaker 2: I want to I want to be like, oh, this.
Speaker 4: Fight is finished, and even the people could turn off
the TV because they know who win this fight.
Speaker 1: You know, now, going into the bout, Dimitri, he was
the only champion in boxing with a perfect knockout record.
You know, were you at least proud to have stopped
the great knockout record that this man had. Uh and
how was it? How was his power?
Speaker 2: I'm not proud because I should win this fight. You know.
I came not to.
Speaker 4: H to lose the fight. I came to win this fight.
I had only this in my head.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: How was his power?
Speaker 2: He's very strong?
Speaker 4: Yeah, his his natural power is really he's strong.
Speaker 1: He's like.
Speaker 2: Is his feasts like his feast?
Speaker 1: Uh, very heavy, best puncher you've been hit by in
your career?
Speaker 2: Uh, heavy pint, the best heavy pincher. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when the fight was over, Turkey al Chic from
Saudi Arabia, of course he oversees all the real season events,
said to some reporters that he thought that you were
the winner by two rounds and that you should have
had your hand raised, and that he wanted to do
the rematch. And so what did it mean to you
in that moment to have the support from from him,
to know that he probably it.
Speaker 4: Means a lot. It means that I gonna have another chance,
you know. And I appreciate so much Turqualous for this
move foot, for his u for what he's doing. And
I think even both kingsens wants to see another flight.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Uh so when when I know, right
after the fight, you know, your team petitioned the organizations
to make sure that they would order a rematch, because
at that moment it wasn't one hundred percent necessarily that
you would get the rematch right away. Obviously that did
happen because Arthur was fine to fight you again. He said,
no problem. If that's what Turkey wanted, he would have
he would give you another fight. But the organizations, well,
they didn't have to go through the process to order
the match. As it turns out, all four belts are
gonna be a stake again. So I wonder, like, how
much is it meaning to you not only to get
the rematch to try to avenge the loss, but also
have all the belts at stay to live the dream
if you can win to be undisputed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's also appreciate to all organizations that they
support this decision about very much. And it was really
it was really hard work for my team. I mean
for my manager Vadim, he was he was dealing with
this a lot. I wasn't interfering this stuff because it's
not my job, my job as being the gym, but
all of this Wajim through Cal Shay promoter Eddie Hearn
and all organizations. They conclusion into a conclusion and this
is what we see today that we will have a rematch.
Speaker 2: With the.
Speaker 1: Right so lose.
Speaker 2: You you you froze.
Speaker 1: There we go. Uh, let me just follow up with
that then, Dmitri, what would it be? So I know
how important we talked in the interview before the first fight,
how big it would be to become undisputed champion. I
wonder how much more meaning would it have for you
to not only become the undisputed champion, but to do
so by avenging your only loss.
Speaker 4: To be honest, I didn't want to be to have ah.
Speaker 2: I wanted to be zero in my losses.
Speaker 4: It's just it's destroyed my record, you know, and then
now I cannot I cannot change anything what happened.
Speaker 2: But it's uh, I.
Speaker 4: Just need to take revenge. Of course, it will be
good for myself, just for for my personality that I
can take revenge now.
Speaker 2: And then also Bels of course sure knowledge.
Speaker 1: So he's he just turned forty years old in the
last few days as we're doing this interview, and he's
coming back to fight you for the rematch only four
months after your first fight, so and he hasn't had
that kind of turnaround with two fights so close together.
I looked at his record. You have to go all
the way back to twenty fifteen when he was just
in the very early stages of his professional career, and
I thought to myself, do you think that that might
be an advantage for you to force an older fighter
back into the ring so quickly where he maybe hasn't
had the kind of rest that he's used to after fights.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think about this every time when I'm in
my camp. I think that my opponent is the best
upon in the best shape, doesn't matter he's forty years old,
fifty years old, he's young, or I'm trying to think
that he's in the best shape and on the camp,
I'm not trying to be to be better than forty
years old man, or to be better than better before
somebody else. I'm trying to be better than me before.
You know, I'm trying to think about this, not and
not taking this advantage and putting in my head and
training with this.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I understand that do you do you allow yourself at
all to think about. You know, if you are the
winner and you are the under speeded champion, what you
would want to do after that? Perhaps a third fight.
Maybe whoever emerges from bena Vide's and morale, they're going
to be the mandatory challenger.
Speaker 4: To be honest, today I was running and I was.
Speaker 2: Thinking about I always think that.
Speaker 4: This is my last fight. It's kind of on my
last fight, and I have to be focused on this fight.
Speaker 2: But also I have some small plan behind behind it.
Speaker 4: Yeah that after the fight, I will like like before, Yeah,
after the fight against like Malex, not I will have
Arthur bitter b fight I have, but I have to
be focused on the not but would better be fight.
I didn't have this like future plan, you know. And
now I was running and I was thinking, what what
what what I have to put something more fun?
Speaker 2: Maybe I will move to cruiserweight. Why not?
Speaker 1: Oh? Is that is that of interest to you? Because
there's good fighters network class Opataia is involved with the
read season. He's up there fight in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2: Why why not?
Speaker 4: I have to have some goal for the future also
because uh, and the goal should be with belts of course,
I want to have belts.
Speaker 2: I cannot go down now because there is.
Speaker 4: Already busy everybody with belts like Canela Crawford, and they
have their own business, and I'm not sure about what's
going on there, and maybe I have to think.
Speaker 2: About cruisier weight, like just tell little bit.
Speaker 1: I just have to put this well, I mean the
plan in motion. It seems as though with better with
Opataia and with Zerdo Ramirez both boxing on Saudi cards.
I know Turkey is looking to make that match for
later in the year and whoever mergers from there, if
you're the under spirit of light heavyweight champion, there you
go as a humongous fight, don't you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Why why not? If another fighters could move, why I cannot?
I can also, But first of all, I have to
think about very much.
Speaker 1: Of course, oh yes, no doubt about it. And like
I said, if it's a great matchup with dew and Arthur,
maybe you do a third fight with him.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe also it could be yeah.
Speaker 1: But we're not going to know any of that until
we see what happens in the rematch. It takes place
on February twenty seconds, so I know you're getting ready
for that. Like I said, I appreciate you taking some
time out of the camp to talk to me today,
very much appreciate it. I wish you the best of
luck in the fight, Dimitrie, much appreciated.
Speaker 2: Thank you, then, thank you having wood dat.
Speaker 3: Good stuff as always, and interesting that he's now the challenger.
And it was a fairly close fight the first time
around his fellow Russian, So you got a lot of
backdrop here on this final thoughts. Having talked to Dmitri
here recently before fight.
Speaker 1: Week, Yeah, you mentioned really close fight. I mean I
scored a draw. I said it to him in the interview.
It was very close. You know, he clearly he's bummed
out about the loss. I don't blame him because it
was that close, but you know, it's very obvious he
was very grateful that everybody worked together where he was
able to get this immediate rematch, whether it was his management,
his promotion, Turkey, the organizations, so he gets a chance
to have the rematch with all the belts at stake.
Nobody did any crazy stuff and started stripping guys. But Dimitri,
as I've interviewed him many times, I always find to
be a thoughtful guy. He was. Actually when I spoke
to him several days ago, he was in his training
camp in the country of Turkey. So that's where he
was training. I asked before we tape the interview, I
asked his manager, why are you guys in Turkey. I
guess they knew a guy who had a great gym
and they just liked it was in the same time zone,
roughly and similar.
Speaker 3: I've always said, when you're going to rematch your Russian
counterpart in Saudi Arabia, you gotta train in Turkey. You
gotta know a guy in Turkey. I've always said that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was sort of surprised. I always
find it intriguing when guys go to different places. It's
not a place where he's trained before. But anyway, I
think we all are in for another interesting matchup with
Better Bevan, and you know that that's the main event
on a you know, a card that maybe is not
getting it's not getting the publicity it should for the
magnitude of the event. I agree, it's not gonna do
shit on pay per view, at least in the United States,
but if you're a fan, it is an absolutely musty card.
And they've priced it appropriately and I can't wait to
watch it.
Speaker 3: Gonna be a lot of fun. That's next weekend on
February twenty second, in the afternoon US time, from Saudi Arabia.
All right, some news here for this week. We wondered
when this rematch would potentially resurface because Haimi Mungia wants
to shake off the humiliating knockout loss to Brunos Sirase
who beat him in his hometown late in twenty twenty four.
And now we know when it is and it's actually compelling.
Go ahead here, Dan with the latest and what's announced.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, as you mentioned huge upset, upset of the year,
I think pretty much any outlet or anybody that was
doing the list at the end of twenty twenty four
picked this knockout that he scored against Mangia as the
knockout of the ear I mean, with spectacular one punch knockout.
And by the way, you fight that Saras they had
lost every single second of every single round, had been
knocked down earlier in the fight. And then, as you
like to say, TJ. Boom goes to dynamite one big shot. Yeah,
there she goes and that was all that was. It
was just a shocking study, just a shocking, shocking upset
was at round number six and it was just out
of nowhere. But anyway, Mongia had the right to a rematch. Now,
my understanding is the rematch. It's one thing to have
a rematch clause and you can exercise it. And I'm
not sure why this happened. I don't usually hear these
things in other rematch clause situations. Yes, you have the
right to an immediate rematch, but there was no dollar
figures assigned in the fight. There was no parameters or
purses or financial aspects of the fight laid out. So
they were having trouble closing with Sarase, who obviously knows
the value that he has coming off that win, where
Mangia has to get to win back, and he also
now becomes an attractive opponent for lots of other fighters
in a good division as a guy who was still undefeated.
Sarase is now twenty six h to two. But it
never fought anybody, I mean with the dregs of the world,
guys with some of the shittiest records you can imagine.
So we didn't know but he scored the big knockout anyway,
with the cost not being able to be figured out.
Here now comes in after he signs up Canelo Alvarez
for the fore fight deal talking about Turkey al Chic,
and they make the fight between Canelo and your boy
William Skull for the un disputed super Medawait title on
May third, and Ria Turkey and his people then went
and had discussions with Zandford Promotions, which works with Top
Break on Mangia and they are going to work out
a deal to buy basically buy the rights to Sarrasse
and Mangiat number two and so they will foot the
bill and put the fight on the undercart as the
co feature on May third, when Canelo fights William Skull.
So one fight below the main event is the guy
that Canelo defeated in a fight that took place in
twenty twenty four. What makes it sort of interesting from
the standpoint of how it's now on the show is
that when Canelo defeated Mungia, Canelo, of course trained by
Eddie Renoso. Mugia had returned to Eric Morales for their
second tour of duty together. He is now separated once
again from Ery mc moralis and TJ. Guess who he
hired as this trainer.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking it's gonna be Eddie Renoso.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, So he is now training in the camp
with his one time foe, Canelo Alvarez, and so Eddie
will have both of those guys on the show. Interesting
he'll train him for that fight. And look, this is
all about can he erase the absolute fucking stench of
that knockout because if he can't, then Mungia is fucked
because that is one of the worst losses in recent
boxing history. So it's all about, you know, clean up.
What's the old saying, clean up in Aisle seven. This
is clean up and Aisle seven.
Speaker 3: From Aisle seven.
Speaker 1: So if he can clean up the mess and Aisle seven,
which is now spilling over to Aisle six, five, four
and three, you know, at that point he can move
on to some bigger business in the super middleweight division.
But that as honestly, in some ways, I mean, we
all love Canelo and seeing the man in action, but
this is even some a little bit more maybe all right,
intrigue than the main event, because who the fuck knows
what's gonna happen in Sirase against Moggy in the rematch.
Very interesting. It adds depth to the card.
Speaker 3: And once again we keep seeing this Money talks on
making these things happen. I mean, just like you talked
to Dimitri Beeble. We got a rematch for the undisputed
title four months after the other fight. Right, so Money
talks on this h you did share with us previously.
This is why you got to be on the pods
on the preview pot of the recap pot about Raymond
Mretaya getting a title shot and the vacant IBF intern
lightweight title will be on the line on a top
ranked card in May. What have you learned including the opponent?
Where is it, et cetera. What are the details for Morotaia?
Speaker 1: Sure? Well, the opponent's always been the same. They had
ordered a fight between Za Abdeliav and ray Moretaya and
Top Rank and the RCC Promotions folks who promote Abdeliav.
There was a purse bit scheduled. They were ultimately able
to make a deal. Top Rank was going to promote
the fight and they had planned to put it on
their show. That's going to be April fifth in Las Vegas.
As the main event, and after they made the deal,
they were informed, Oh, by the way, Zaarab Delive is
not available to fight on April fifth because he is
Muslim and he will be observing Ramadan, which runs from
February twenty eighth to March twenty ninth, so he's not
going to be available for April fifth. So that kind
of screwed them up. So they're trying to figure out
what they're doing for April fifth. But in the meantime,
as I spoke to Carl Murretty from Top Rank the
other day, they have now situated this fight and it
will be the main event on the Top Rank card.
It will take place May tenth at the Pachanga Arena
in San Diego, where they have done other events before,
and Ray is from southern california'll probably have a nice
group of fans there cheering them on, and so that
will produce the interim Champion of the IVF. And it's
all about whether Vasili Lomachenko is going to come back,
as everybody knows if you follow along at all, he
is sidelined now for several months due to a back injury.
When he comes back, if he comes back, he will
be obligated to fight the winner of this fight in
defense of the title. If he retires or doesn't come back,
or delects to give up the title, the winner of
Martai and Obdilag will become the IBF World Champion in
the lightweight division. So it is an interesting matchup. I
will say, I mean Zarev Delive it just has one loss,
so you got to go back a few years ago.
We got stopped actually in a interim title fight in
twenty nineteen by Devin Haty. Other than that, he's got
some decent wins on his record, and we know Maritai
is coming off of what is considered by most people
his biggest win, which was a very close fight against
Tevin Farmer that took place in July. So to me,
this is a nice competitive matchup on paper, it's got
some stakes. Adlive is twenty victories, one loss, two twelve knockouts.
Bartay is twenty two and oh was seventeen. You know,
they're both about the same age. Martayas twenty seven, a
Delive is thirty, and you know, it's a pretty solid fight.
I feel like it's going to be competitive, and I'm
glad they were going to you know, get it situated
after some you know, unknown factors that were going on
when they were finally able to get a deal done.
Speaker 3: All right, and again that's coming for May you have
another You got lots of updates. You got another update
here on Edgar Berlanga. He's going to be back next month,
first fight since the September loss to Canelo. What's the update, uh,
here on Edgar Berlanga's return.
Speaker 1: All right, So, originally I had reported this, and I
think others had also. This was not they hadn't be
formally announced it, but it was certainly not a secret
that he was going to come back on March eighth
and headline a Mattrium card in Puerto Rico. That did
not happen, And the reason why it didn't happen is
because his team and Mattroom Boxing they just could not
come to an agreement on the particulars of the package
of the and the and the parameters of the fight.
And everybody knows, if you follow along, that this is
the last fight of Edgar Berlanga's contract with Mattroom Boxing.
So basically what they did is they they accepted all
kinds of different opponents from what I am told in
terms of who the opponent would be, but there was
other factors involved. In the end, he's taking a dramatic
amount of lesson money. Berlanga is to fight on instead
of the original date and do the main event. He
will now fight March fifteenth on the undercard when Ama
Williams comes back, and also the same card where has
the professional debut of the Olympic United States, a bronze
medal winner Omari Jones. That's going to take place at Orlando,
Florida at the crib Raal where you actually Edgar the
fight before he fought Canelo fought there also, So they're
looking at like this as we're taking this fight. We're
taking a dramatic amount of less money, but we're going
to be a free agent and we're gonna go out
and try to get a big fight this summer. Conley,
Keith Connley, who's the manager form Berlanga, had told me, look,
we couldn't agree on stuff. We're doing this because we
are trying to set up a bigger fight in the summer,
and what that means is a very good chance. That's
if he wins and he's free agent, there's a good
possibility that you're talking about Berlanga later in the year
against opponents, perhaps against Mangia. If he defeats Sarrase, that's
a tremendous fight, really fun Mexico Puerto Rico kind of fight.
Two guys that make good fight. If not that, the
other fight that they're talking about, which is also I
believe a very makeable fight for a lot of different reasons,
is with Berlanga against Caleb Plant. The two of them
have been talking shit on social media for a while.
They want to fight each other. So you know, he
he's not fighting a top name in terms of the
opponent that is coming up. He's fighting a Jonathan Gonzalez
ortist who is undefeated but also has had two fights
and before that was offered ten years Like when I
saw that he was the opponent, I was like, I
kind of vaguely remember them, but I.
Speaker 3: Is this the same guy? Yeah, it is the same guy.
Speaker 1: He fought on HBO when Triple G made his American
debut all those years ago at the Turning Stone Resort
in Verona, New York. He fought the former junior middleway
title theer Sara z Inzerra, who badly missed weight. They
put on one of the worst fucking fights you'll ever see,
largely because of Zinzerra. In any event, I thought, I
was like, I thought this guy's long retired. I looked
at his boxer. I fuck couldn't fight for ten years.
I was told he was in prison for a good
part of that time. But he's fought two fights against
nobody's and it's always still undefeated, and he's coming back
to fight Berlina. Now I'm not blaming the Berlanga team
for this type opponent because, again, according to Connley, who's
got a good track record with me, they accepted all
kinds of different opponents for this fight, and it was
and various things happened. They weren't able to finalize them
that when mattrom was you know, going through the process.
In any event, this is Berlanga coming back off of
the victory, rather off of Canello's victory against him and
trying to set up a bigger fight. And if he
can get through this fight and fight Caleb Plant or
fight Mongia or maybe in order fight both of them,
those are fun, exciting, interesting matchups.
Speaker 3: We love all of this. We're gonna keep rolling here.
We got some Oscar de la Hoya and nostalgia in
a moment, but he still got more news. Okay, So
the next week after March fifteenth, March twenty second, PBC
has finally formally announced Sebastian Fundora's return. No, it's not
against Errol Spence. We already knew that, So explain this
WBCWBO Junior Middleweight title defense and also what else is
on the card? Is made the announcement earlier in the
week here, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So, I mean the bottom line is he'd been
basically well. First of all, he had fought since he
won the titles against Kim Zoo in that blood bath
that was in last March. That was the first ever
PBC event with prime video, that was a pay per view,
and he was injured, so he was offered a bit
because of that. But then in reality, he was also
waiting because they were trying to put together the Arrow
Spence fight and Arrol had his own medical issues with
his eye and he wasn't ready. He was looking for
a new trainer. He was because he's in a lawsuit
with Derek James. Anyway, they just didn't want to wait
around and wait around and wait around, so they are
taking another fight with the idea that if he gets
through this fight when Errol's ready, maybe in the summer
they'll still fight Errol Spence. But in the meantime he
can't just sit around and not ever fight, so Fondora
will defend his titles. They basically went through the rankings.
They're fighting a fighter named Cordell Booker who's twenty three
and one with eleven knockouts, a southpaw from Stanford, Connecticut,
pretty good technical boxer. The one loss he had was
in the middleweight division. He was out of his weight class,
so I kind of I mean it was a first
round knockout loss against Amo Williams. You can kind of
forgive it because you know, first roun knockouts happened, guys
get caught. But also he was out of the way
class he has fought his entire career, and so I'm
not sitting here telling you he's gonna beat Fandora. But
I don't think it's the crazy mismatch that I've seen
some people talk about, because not like Fandora is indestructible.
So that will be his first defense for Fondora, it
is not a pay per view. It will be only
the second time since PBC and a Prime Video came
together for their agreement that they're going to do a
non pay per view. Well you know, and that that
agreement began with the first event in March of last year,
so they're gonna do this event. The other non pay
per view was when Tim Zu lost the title Tim MARTAZELIV.
That was back in the fall anyway. So that's the
main event. And in terms of the undercard fights, remember
when we saw Benavidez and David Morrel we saw in
a middleweight fight. We saw Haesus Ramos Junior who came
back and looked very good on that undercard. Well, he
is gonna be back at action very quickly. This is
like the most active PBC guy there is that I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: He fought at the beginning February and he's gonna fight
March twenty seven. That's actually possible, yes, and he's actually
doing that.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Bravo Jesus Ramos who's fighting.
Speaker 1: And also bravo to PBC for a keep end of the
kid active because he's a very good young fighter. So
he is. He fought the fight against Jason Rosario on
the Benavides and the real card. He fought that fight
as a middleweight, looked awesome, dominated when every round, stopped
Rosario in the eighth round. He's returning to Jingger middle
which is what he said after the fight, that that
was not He wasn't moving up to middleweight to stay there,
so he's coming back to Jinger middleweight. He'll take on
Kevin Salgado, who makes exciting fights, whose uncle is a
former world champion anyway, So that's the co feature, and
then the opening fight on this triple header will be
Elijah Garcia, the middleweight who's taken on the Olympian and
multi time world title challenger Tourell Gachet for a non
pay per view with some good names and what I
feel like are reasonable matchups, not bad. I can't really complain.
Salgado has, you know, been in good fights. He's won
two fights in a row. He did get knocked out
by Elijah Garcia. It is loss, uh, you know this
previous loss, but again it is what it is. Garcia
is trying to readown. He was a humongous prospect, He's
only twenty one years old. He suffered an upset loss. Uh,
and we'll see if you can get back on the
horse against a well traveled Torel Gichet.
Speaker 3: All right, so nostalgia to end it, and this includes
wait a minute, what is this?
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what is this?
Speaker 3: On my list? Muhammad Ali's fight worn trunks from the
Thrilla in Manila sold for one point two million dollars
at auction earlier last weekend. My question is did you
purchase them for the Rayfield collection? And you've been holding
out on me and the savages in the podcast audience.
Do you own the trunks? Confirm or deny?
Speaker 1: TJ. I do not own the trunks, but you know
what something like this happens. I'm not put that on
the rundown. How much I love the memorabilia and all
this stuff with boxing, I find this to be amazing. Now,
these trunks have changed hands in the past, gonna in
a number of years.
Speaker 3: You took that question, so this is if they changed
hands multiple times. Have any of his trunks before sold
for anything remotely like this, because you would know why.
Speaker 1: Don't know? I think this for an Ali pair of trunks,
I think this is probably the most they like you said,
they sold for one point two million. If you go
back when they changed hands in fairly short order over
the span of a few months, all the way back
what like twelve thirteen years ago. They sold for less
than one hundred and sixty thousand dollars. But it just
shows you the in the in the investability of you know,
significant sports memorabilia. Obviously, the Thriller in Manila is one
of the single most famous fights in the history of boxing,
with the single most iconic fighter in the history of boxing.
It's a big deal. And they are photo matched. I mean,
they're the real deal. They have obviously, they've analyzed the signature,
they are inscribed. They're the typical alley white and black
satin trunks, you know, with the white with the black trim,
and you know the famous quarterman and and hype band
that Ali. After all those years Bundini Brown, Uh when when?
When Bundini died a number of years ago, he had
a whole shiload of ALI material in like a storage box,
and a lot of that has now been you know,
entered into the to the collectible realm and been auctioned off.
He had a treasure trove of fight used material he
basically curated and kept a lot of that stuff, and
this is one of those artifacts that is being sold.
But the thing is, this is so significant because other
than maybe Fraser one and and the and the uh
Rumble in the Jungle, the Thrill Manila is in those
top three most famous fights of Ali's ever, I mean,
whatever order you choose to put them in, and let's
face it, it's too many people. The single greatest heavyweight
champions and fight of all time a third fight against
Joe Fraser, just an h. The searing violence of that
fight is just is off the charts. I've I've been
privileged to have like deep conversations with Bob Aram about
that fight, who promoted it, talking about the type of
heat that was going on in the arena and all
the things leading up to it, how they did it
in the morning because it was on close circuit here
in the United States in the evening. Just a very
very historical fight. And so if you're going to have
a piece of memorabilia, you'd want like either Ali's trunks
or his boves or his robe or shoes or whatever.
And somebody bought it for a million.
Speaker 3: What an epic fight. I don't want to accept. We're
in the fiftieth anniversary year of the thriller in Manila,
and it still holds up.
Speaker 1: But by the way, let me just stay for the record,
I do not own the trunk. But if I did,
we do this on Zoom, I would stand up and
show you that I was wearing them.
Speaker 3: You would be wearing the trunks while on the show.
And he is not because we do this on a
video hookup. But I did look at this because I
thought I remember this correctly. So Jim Ersay, the Ursay
family that owns the Colts. He bought the robe, the
robe that Ali wore against Sunny Listen in the first fight.
It's not specified how much he paid for the robe. However,
he bought the green WBC heavyweight title belt of Muhammad
Ali's and in the story that I am seeing, he
paid six million dollars.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've en belt. I wrote about that at the time,
no disrespect to Jim Ersay. That was probably the single
most overpaid thing in the history of boxing memorabilia. And
the reason is because that particular belt, it's not a
knock on the WBC. It's not a knock and if
he really wanted it, it's worth what you're willing to
pay for it. But it wasn't even the belt that
was in real time. It was given to Muhammad Ali
as a after like well after the fight. There was
two of them as a matter of fact, so we
as one of the two. And it doesn't have anything
like I don't know that Ali ever wore it. It
doesn't have an Ali autograph on it, it's not engraved Ali.
It looks like every other WBC title belt at the time.
So for me, when I saw that, I wrote about it.
At the time, I'm thinking I had that kind of
money to spend on boxing memorabilia, and you know how
much of a fucking fanatic I am, There'd be a
million things I would choose to purchase or to go
after before I would look at that particular belt. If
you said to me, Rafael, you can buy that Alley
title belt, uh that was retroactive to the to the
Rumble in the Jungle for what six million.
Speaker 3: And change six million dollars?
Speaker 1: Or you can have his Thriller in Manila fight Warren
trunks that are autographed for one point two million. Puh,
it's not even a contest, right, you buy the one
point two million dollars they love.
Speaker 3: You know what, we always say, it's not what you're
willing to charge, get what somebody's willing to pay for Sure.
That's crazy though, that the title belt would be worth
that much more. That, as you said, is not like
a prestigious you know, one of one. His likeness on it,
his autograph versus the trunks he wore in the Thrill
of Manila.
Speaker 1: Why and there's two of those belts were created?
Speaker 3: Not just interesting and and we do not know if
Ersay is the buyer just while we're saying this of
the Thriller trucks because we know we don't know, we
don't know who the buyer was.
Speaker 1: Correct, they did not reveal the buyer. Interesting. Maybe it
will surface at some point, but that's an interesting question.
Speaker 3: You would think if erse got it, that we would
publicize it by now. He would have publicized it, because
he did publicize about the robe and the belt.
Speaker 1: See her says collection is amazing because not only does
he have kind of amazing boxing memorability that he's purchased
over the years. Obviously he's a very wealthy guy owning
the the Football Colts, but he's also bought he's also
in uh, he's bought a lot of amazing rock and
roll member build.
Speaker 3: Yes, different guitars, drums, set, all kinds of stuff, crazy
stuff all right, nostalgia on top of nostalgia. To finish
it up, so as we do the pod Thursday night
into Friday. It was February thirteenth, nineteen ninety nine when
Oscar dale Hoya fought i Quarte and retained the WBC
Welterweight championship and a huge rally by dale Hoya late
in the fight that was held in Las Vegas. Let's reminisce.
Shall we We've talked a lot about the Golden Boy
recently and this is now twenty six years ago. February thirteenth,
nineteen ninety nine. Dala Hoya, i Quarte Dann R. Phiel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a big deal pay per view fight
at the time. Oscar a lot of people thought he
didn't deserve the victory when he fought Pearnel Whitaker and
won this title and Pronel obviously was the pound for
pound guy and you know, praised by everybody, and they
thought Oscar got a gift and they wanted to see
him in like a much bigger now I shouldn't say
a bigger fight, but a fight that was considered more dangerous,
if that makes sense. Like he had beaten Whittaker, but
after Whittaker he fought the Canal fight, which is a blowout.
He thought Hector Camacho was a great name but was
past his prime. In Oscar want to shut out. He
wasn't really given much of a chance to win. He
beat Rolfredo River, who was a good contender, but certainly
not on the same level of Oscar. Then he thought
a mandatory named Patrick Scharpentier, you know who he destroyed.
You know he was joked around, He's the French pastry.
It was ridiculous, incredibly ridiculous mismatch. Then he gave chav
As a rematch at a heavier weight, made him quit again.
It was more definitive than the first fight because there
was no thing about the cut but the weight and
Chavas being that much older. So Oscar went through a
bunch of defenses after beat Whittaker, which were understandable, but
they weren't at the level of the competition where there
was a true you know that the other guys can
actually win the fight, you know what I mean. So
Quarte was there prowling around the division. He's thirty four
to zero to one. He was the WBA champion, and
he was considered extremely dangerous, incredible jab and that became
like a big deal fight and they made the match
for pay per view. Now, Quarte had vacated the w
WBA belt because of political reasons and mandatories and nonsense.
So by all rights, Oscar versus Quarte should have been
a welter way unification fight. It turned out it wasn't.
It was only for Oscar's WBC tittle. But Ike was
an extremely dangerous opponent. He was, like I said, thirty
four to zero to one. And this was a big
deal at the time, and they met outo HBO pay
per view. They fought at the Thomas and Mack Center
in Las Vegas, and it was a memorable fight for
a lot of the reasons. There was lots of down
parts in the fight where it wasn't all that interesting,
but when it was interesting, it was unforgettable. So Oscar
gets dropped in the sixth round and Quarte gets dropped
in the sixth round, and they're trading knockdowns, and Oscar
had been criticized later in his career and other times
in his career for kind of laying back. Look, he
took a tremendous amount of flak for coasting against Felix Trinidad,
which obviously cost him the fight, the biggest fight of
his career at that time. This was before that, which
is why people are so surprised that he let Trinidad
just coast, or that he coasted against Tito, because when
the fight was super close against Quarte, he went out
there in round twelve and produced one of the most
a memorable moments of his entire career where he had
Quarte on the ropes and was about to stop and
Mitch Halpern, the Latet Mit chopper, who was a great
referee at the time, let it go, and that fight
probably would have been stopped by a lot of refs.
He had Quarte out on his feet, and the famous
call from Jim Lampley on the broadcast, it's like Leonard
Hearns all over again, and he made reference to Tommy
Hearns draped on the ropes in the fourteenth round and
Leonard t and off and ultimately Leonard got the knockout
and Lampley screaming, you know if Halpern stops the fight,
it's like Leonard Hearns all over again. Halpern didn't stop
the fight. Quarte survived, but Oscar had dropped Quartey in
round twelve and produced that massive onslaught and he ended
up pulling the fight out. And it was a tremendous battle. Now,
it wasn't without controversy because there were some that thought
that Quarte, even with that massive twelfth round onslaught from Oscar,
should have won the fight. Harold Letterman, the late Great
HBO unofficial judge actually had I Quarte winning that fight
one fourteen to one thirteen, but the official judges they disagree.
It was one sixteen one to twelve, one sixteen one
to thirteen in favor of Oscar, and one of the
judges had it won fifteen one to fourteen in favor
of Quarte. I always thought Oscar definitely eat that fight out.
He retained the title for the sixth time. And it
was really a very very big win for Oscar at
that point, and uh it just made his start him
that much greater. It was a big deal pay per view,
a tremendous battle, and when you look back and you
go through all the great wins on Oscar's record, Quarte
has to be considered one of the finest wins of
his career, no doubt.
Speaker 3: And we've been over that list and again Oscar's birthday recently.
I mean, we can do these nostalgia things. We can
just like pick a month and pick a fight, because
I fought so many of those guys, go back and
relive this one, especially for the twelfth round. There is
no doubt. I just thought of this because we've got
to go here in a second. If Muhammad Ali's trunks
from the Thrill in Manila is one point two million,
what would your speculation be that Buster Douglas's trunks or
his gloves would be from that upset of Mike Tyson
thirty five years ago earlier this week? What would you're
educated I'm being serious now, which what do you think
would be reasonable to expect in return, because you talk
about one of one out of nowhere that the fight
worn gloves or the trunks from that night. Speculate real
quick with me.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I'm not even sure if they've
ever actually been sold, or a Buster still has where
they are located, or who hasn't. But if they were
on the market, I don't think they would produce the
kind of numbers of the Ali fight because Ali is
iconic and Buster Douglas, while obviously very famous, that was
a one hit, one year kind of situation. He doesn't
have that level of fans and adoring public around the
world that would perhaps be interested to purchase that piece
of memorabilia. But that would go for a substantial amount
of money. It's one of the most famous fights in
boxing history, and he was the winner and what is
considered the greatest upset in boxing history, toppling Iron Mike Tyson.
I would say, actually, in some ways, if it was
Mike Tyson's fight, used material from that fight and might
actually go for more than Busters because of Tyson is
the only fighter that's even in the same conversation in
terms of the fame and uh and the notoriety as
on Muhammad Ali. Uh. But that's an interesting question again.
You know me, you know I'd be wearing the trunks.
Speaker 3: You know this world better than I do. But I'm
just thinking, if Ali's trunks from the Thrill of Manila
is worth a million, his Busters trunks from the Tyson
fight not worth a million.
Speaker 1: One of one worth a lot.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I know, I don't have
it to pay for that. I don't roll like you
in the Rayfield Collection. By the way, do you want
to brag to the audience? We got to go here
in a second. But you're on You're on cold medication,
you're hyped up. You want to brag about the program
that you're in receipt of that you've been looking for
for how long? Oh love, finally got your hands on
Salvador Sanchez, the late Salvador Sanchez is final fight program,
mister collector, mister Rayfield Collection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, against a Zuma Nelson. I actually I put the
picture of it, wrote a little sex about it in
the notebook that I put out yesterday, which was on
what on U on Wednesday? Yeah, and uh no, I've
looked for that program for a long time.
Speaker 3: How many years?
Speaker 1: Several? Right, twenty?
Speaker 3: You've been looking for it?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen it around, but it's you can't
find it in nice shape or the uh you know,
I've seen a couple two or three. But a boxing
friend of mine who I've known for many years, so
I've traded a lot of material with over the years,
had one was willing to give it up and gave
it up, so it was a trade. So I didn't
even have to spend a ton of money on it.
Speaker 3: Way allowed to talk about what you traded for it.
Speaker 1: That is that that part is still that's confidential. That's
not confidential. It's just the the exact things are not
yet worked out.
Speaker 3: But I will tell the audience because this is a
video show. You held it up and it's in pristine condition.
Going into a collection from like forty five years ago,
it's not forty three years ago.
Speaker 1: It's nice, it's not perfect, it's not I wouldn't say
it's mint, but from what I've seen over the years,
it's pretty sharp. You got a couple of small issues.
But at this stage of the game.
Speaker 3: If I'm not trying to undo your d if you
had to pay for a program like that, my guess
would be, I'm just guessing. If that's like a fifty
thousand dollars program, is that a twenty five thousand.
Speaker 1: Dollars you know, it's it's very clear you know nothing
about the memorabilia side of things. In reality, it's probably
about a five hundred dollars program. But it's hard to fight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really, so I would be hard to Oucker. I
would have been a sucker. I would have thought it's
because it's so rare and hard to find. It would
be much more than that.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, but even I'll give you an example,
like I have a beautiful copy of a program from
Ali Fraser one. Okay, one of the most famous fights
of all. All right, that's if you can again, these
are hard to fight, especially nice shape in in top
top condition. That's maybe like a thousand dollars program.
Speaker 3: Wow, So the program, the program price point is not
the same obviously, if you're talking about trunks, gloves something.
Speaker 1: Not even close. Those are fight war and those.
Speaker 3: Are one of one from the fight, not the program.
Speaker 1: I understand. Yeah, but there, but that's no. I mean
for in the in the program world, that's that's a
good amount. Now you want to program from like the
Rumble in the Jungle, that'll cost you probably three four
grand if you can find the right one interesting maybe more,
maybe five, depending on it is.
Speaker 3: He would know. He would know from the Rayfield collection.
In the collection though, and you're super hyped up on
cold medication. As I keep saying, I love that about you.
Great stuff on the preview mode Dmitri b Bol as well.
Why don't we reconvene and talk Keyshawn Davis handicapping of
his world title fight as well as Catterall and Arnold
Barbosa and the Golden Boy fight with Oscar dear Watta
in the main event one Eastern time on the bet
Us Boxing Show. Will reconvene there and then whatever happens
this weekend stay on the pod feed recap pod coming
off the weekend as well. Other than that, I think
we're good, my friend. Thank you, Dan Rayfield.
Speaker 1: We'll give it. I'm gonna go take some more medicine.
Speaker 3: No more medicine and rest for you. For us, we
get ready for the weekend again, the Keyshaw Davis main
event Friday Night Friday Night ESPN Top Rank main event.
For now we're good is the Big Fight week can
preview pod for Dan Rayfield on t J Reeves. Enjoy
the fights.