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Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend.

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Speaker 3: Now here is your host, DJ leaves.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: We get ready for a weekend. It has a Friday night, Yes,

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Friday night attempt at a world title for Keyshawn Davis.

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We're ready to review the whole card at the MSG Theater,

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the top ranked card. We've got a Desonne Matchroom, a

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show in Manchester, England with Jack Catterall and Arnold Barbosa.

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We've got a Golden Boys show with Oscar Duarte in

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the man event, a ton to preview and Dmitri Beevil

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who will now be challenging Archer betterbev not this weekend,

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but next weekend, February twenty second. He's on the pod

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right here with us on the preview pod. I'm merely

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TJ Reeves. He is our insider, Big Dan Rayphiel, who

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once again, you're playing hurt, You're not feeling good, but

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you posted here on the pod. It's good to have you.

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I know you're ready to get into all of this

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days for the young ray Field and all the students.

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the Northern Virginia area, the DC area, and the northeast.

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But anyway, it's good to have you and we have

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a lot to go over, a lot of news, some

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Oscar de la Hoya, nostalgia, My goodness. All right, how

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are you feeling? You're feeling a little better on the

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cold medication?

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Speaker 3: We'll get to get you something, but we'll cheer you

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up with the boxing. By the way, rate us and

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we're doing, Dan, especially with the interviews you heard from

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Keyshawn Davis on the on the previous pod. You're gonna

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hear from Dmitri bvol here on this pod and others

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that are upcoming in addition to us previewing and recapping

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going into the weekend. All right, So with with that,

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Keyshawn Davis is up first. It's the WBO lightweight title.

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We mentioned this a couple of times in and around

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the interview. Now he goes for his first world title.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Dennis Baranchik is the WBO light weight champion, won the

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vacant belt main event Top Rank Boxing. This is Friday night.

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We need to repeat this. This is Friday Night on

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the fourteenth, all right, Dan, your thoughts on that and

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then we'll get into the undercard as well, but your

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thoughts on it being here.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm excited for this fight. This is a good matchup.

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This is interesting to me. You mentioned about Bearachek. He

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won the vacant title close fight against am Angel never

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at Day back in May, considered an upset. Obviously never

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at Day had been or is still the one hundred

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and thirty pound title there. He had moved up for

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the opportunity the fight for the vacant belt. Everybody just

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thought it was a you know, gonna be clear cut

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that he would win the fight. But he didn't, so

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he lost, went back down to one thirty and now

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Brenchick Is waited a while to make his first defense.

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an option on his next fight, and they wanted to

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match him up with Keishawn Davis, which they are doing.

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Keisha had to get through his fight that took place,

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you know, just a you know what a couple of

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months ago against a Gestavo Lemos. He looked really good

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in that fight that was back in November. Scored a

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sensational sect round against a guy that came in dramatically overweight.

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And I've said this before TJ. Ever since, Keishan Davis

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had his win, but a very uneven kind of lackluster

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performance and a decision over n here Albright. This is

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in October of twenty twenty three, after which he had

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a positive marijuana test, which although marijuana is legal in

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many places in the United States, it is against the

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rules of to my knowledge, virtually every commission in the country.

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But he got suspended, he got fined, and the fight

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was overturned to a no contest, and he was kind

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of very irritated by that, said, I'm not going to

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stop smoking weed, blah blah blah. In the end, he'd

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made some changes and it's been better for him. And

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ever since that fight, when he claims he stopped smoking,

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he has looked absolutely spectacular in three straight fights since

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then when he came back from his suspension. Pedraza, who

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had never been absolutely destroyed in six rounds. Miguel Midwena,

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who you'll hear about later because he's fighting Duarte on

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the Golden Boy card, looked really, really good and basically

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pitched a clear, you know, almost a near shot out

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nine rounds to one on all three scorecards. And then

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came the Lamos fight, considered a good puncher, a dangerous fight,

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a bigger guy, and he just destroyed him in two rounds.

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is part of the group that produced Lomachenko and Usik

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and Vozik. He was part of that great Ukrainian team.

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because he's been somewhat inactive, but he is undefeated at

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nineteen to zero. Also a silver medal winner like Kishan,

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was accepted different Olympics. But Kishan is really coming into

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his own. And I was really kind of blown away

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to tell to tj Is earlier today before we started

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to tape this, I saw some of the video from

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the weigh in. They got into a ridiculous pushing match.

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But the thing that was clear to me is that

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Kishon Davis is a much bigger guy than Branchick in

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terms of his height. He towered over him. And when

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you have the kind of speed and the kind of

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reflexes and the kind of youth and the kind of

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ring smarts, and you're that much bigger than the other

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guy who's eleven years older than Kishon Davis, who's twenty five.

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Branchick is thirty six, even though he's a very good fighter.

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I mean, this is to me, this is a chance

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for Kishon Davis, in my mind, to just look spectacular

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against a good opponent. And I think that if he

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takes care of his business, this is the start of

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what's going to be a career where he could push himself,

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you know, very close to the top of the sport

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for many years to come. So this is the main event.

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It's a chance to see a young fighter perhaps come

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into his own and that's what I'm looking forward to it.

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If Brentchick can pull the upset, even though he's the

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reigning title holder, you know, that'll be a huge, huge

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feather in his cap because I don't think many people

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are giving him a chance, but he's been there before.

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No one gave him a chance against Neverette and look

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what happened. So I'm really interested in this main event,

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really interested. And it's great. It's a great Madison Square

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Guard theater for me anyway, and I've covered a million

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fights there to me, one of my favorite spots to

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be at a fight. It's no matter you're sitting the

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front row or a last row. You got a good seat. Obviously,

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it looks good on TV. And I'm pumped up for

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this one, all right.

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Speaker 3: So again a chance at a world title and you

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heard from Keishawn Davis. It's on the pod feed immediately

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before is if you didn't hear from this with a

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chance for him to go for it, we're anxious to

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see what happens with that. But as we like to say,

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but wait, that's not all because up and coming junior

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middleweight contender Xander Zaiez is in the co feature. And

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I joke with you about this name slawa Spoemer that

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it sounds more like a dish you would find in

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an Eastern European cafe. But give me a little more

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on this because this will lead into the main event

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on Friday night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's two other fights on the main card.

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It's obviously the main event with Keisha, and it's the

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Xander Zaias against Boemer fight, and then also the popular

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into the middleweight to fight Hunter Coyle. That's the three

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main card fights. But Xander is in the co feature

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against Boehmer was from Germany. He's he's much older. You know,

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Xander's what twenty one to twenty two, Spowmer's thirty two

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from Germany, but he's undefeated at twenty zero with eleven knockouts.

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their matchmakers, they look at this fight as clearly the

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toughest test they believe, at least on paper. Anyway, for

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Xander's ayas in his career, and it's about time that

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he steps up a little bit. I mean, we've all

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watched his evolution as a kid to turn pro when

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he was like seventeen years old. But now he's twenty

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two years old. You know, he's still young obviously, but

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he's got twenty pro fights. Now he's gotten the reps

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in he's by all accounts a very diligent trainer in

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the gym, and it's time to see what he can do.

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Twenty two in boxing is not that young if you've

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got twenty fights under your belt. I mean, to use

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the most glaring example, Mike Tyson was the heavyweight champion

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of the world at you know, younger than that. So

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just a chance for him to show his stuff, to

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really make a statement. And I think eventually one of

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the reasons why they've got mil Nicki, who's his own

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in his own career going on. But Top Rank looks

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at an eventual fight between mil Nicki and Xander's Eyes

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as a really popular attraction fight in a place like

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he's a New Jersey guy who brings fans to the arena.

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Rican fans in New York. So well, we got to

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see him get through Spowmer first. He's not really fought

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a lot of name guys obviously, but that's the co feature.

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to see some of these other young guys like mil Nikki,

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like Xander in action is also good because they make

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pretty good fights and they're fighting reputable opponents and we'll

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see how it works out.

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Speaker 3: So Melniki is fighting Connor Coyle, a veteran, and that

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is also as you mentioned here on is Coyle going

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to be a test? We faint maybe.

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you never know. But Coyle is older, he's thirty four.

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the older guys have great records and have some experience.

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from Northern Ireland. Maybe there'll be some Irish fans and

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also turned out to watch him. The Irish and New

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their fighters in their community. But he does not have

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a big track record. This is uh, you know, I

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can't say he's a big name opponent, but he's fought

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the usual suspects on the way up. So I mean, look,

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my great hope is they just turned into good fight

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because you know, Noil Nicky's got a lot of hype,

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and while he seems like a nice fighter and a

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nice guy, I've never viewed him as like that elite

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blue chip type of prospect the same way some people

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have viewed Xander's eyes and others. But hopefully we get

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a nice fight and quickly.

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Speaker 3: Also on the under card, the name Abdullah Mason worth

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turning in for.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Listen. Honestly, the the the carsh the portion

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of this card that is on ESPN Plus before the

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main card starts is is jam with top ranks, top

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fighters as they're getting a kickoff to the two thousand

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twenty five calendar year. So I'll just run down a

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few in order, not in order, but just the guys

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who are on the show. You mentioned Abdullah Mason, who

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was a lot of people's prospect of the Year last year,

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is certainly a superb up and comer. He was number

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two on my list behind Moses E. Tama, but he's

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sixteen to zero. He's on the card. You have Nico

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Ali Walsh, obviously the grandson of Muhammad Ali. He's on

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the card. You have Keon Davis, who is going to

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be a second professional fight, who was a touted amateur.

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He is the younger brother of Keishan Davis, who was

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in the main event. He got je Meta Lopez, who

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is the son of the former featherweight and junior featherweight

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champion one Manuel Lopez, who's now with Top Break making

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his professional debut. He is a junior bantamweight. You have

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and doesn't get the hype, but deserves it, and that's

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the Dominican welterweight Rowan Polanko who's fourteen to zero. He

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the road. And we have the comeback of one Jared

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involved with this fight said this should be like a

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first or second round knockout. Basically, get back on the horse,

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get your mojo back, get your confidence back, shake off

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that horrendous performance in August. He's fighting a fighter named

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Marios Colias who's twelve to three and one who's been

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stopped in one fight, thirty three years old from Greece. Okay,

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they don't bring guys from Greece to New York to

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fight unless there is a reason. And there's a reason,

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and that's to be splatte Ola against Jared Anderson.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, Nico Ali Walsh and Dan I

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have to make you laugh and smile. If you might

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have heard, he's the grandson of Muhammad Ali. He's also

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on this car.

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Speaker 1: I think I said that, TJ. And so you pay attention.

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Speaker 3: What I do? I do try to pay attentions best

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I can. I think you listed about fifty seven fights

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that are going to be on ESPN plus here, so

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they have the roll call as you mentioned, and again

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So get ready for this on ESPN coming up. All

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right again, Dmitri Bbol in a few minutes with Dan first,

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though earlier in the afternoon on Saturday US Times Saturday

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Night in Manchester, England, Jack Catterall, Arnold Barboza. This is

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an interesting fight for the vacant interim WBO Junior Welterweay title.

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We've talked about this because this has a possibility, if

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not a real possibility of being ultimately the WBO champion.

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And I'm saying this, I think it's a pretty competitive

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matchup on paper. What say you?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I agree with that. I think it's a competitive

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matchup on paper. When they first made the match, it

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was supposed to be just a straight title eliminator for

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the WBO. And then because of the uncertainty that was

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going on with ta Fimo Lopez's career, he was he

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is the champion, and in various things that were taking place,

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he was turning down fights. He was in active relatively speaking.

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The WBO determined that this and that the winner would

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be the mandatory if it had still been the liminator,

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but they decided at the WBO to allow this to

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be for the interim title. So technically the winner is

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the mandatory. Who's supposed to be the next opponent for

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tia Fimo Lopez. Now, now I'm not gonna say it

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won't happen, but given that tia Fimo is right now

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in the throes of negotiating a three fight deal with

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from top rank, which is gonna get paid very well.

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To finalize that agreement, they're looking to see what he's

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going to do in his next fight. There's been, you know, discussions,

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maybe he fight the winner this fight. There's obviously been

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a lot of conversation that they're looking at unification fight

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against Richards and Hitchins a very makeable fight. Keith Connelly

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is the manager for Lopez and for Hitchens, so that

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may be able to help make that fight, even though

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a lot of times managers are not willing or interested

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to put their fighters together. But given the money on

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the table from the from the Saudi's, it's it's a

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distinct possibility. But in terms of the matchup itself between

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Catterall and Barbosa, look, Barbosa's undefeated. He's going over to

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fight Catterall in his home area, uh, right outside of Manchester,

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and which is where Catterall's from. The fights taking place

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in Manchester. Style wise, like, I've not been a big

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lover of this fight because they're both guys that you

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need to come to them to make it a big fight,

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to make it a good fight, and they're not usually

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the guys that step out and on the front foot

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and go for it. They're more of the guys that

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like to lay back encounters a bit, so I am

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skeptical of the action that the fight will produce. I

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hope I am wrong and it turns out to be

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a good fight. That said, they're both, you know, certainly

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clearcut top ten guys in that division. Although you look

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back a couple of fights ago. For Barbosa, yes, he

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is coming off a very good victory against Jose Ramirez

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that took place on the Latino Night card that was

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in Riha back in November. But the fight before that,

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I thought he lost the fight in April on the

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undercard of Devin Haney against Ryan Garcia and Caterall. You know,

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obviously he got the revenge on Josh Taylor. That was

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a huge win for him. He's only got the one loss.

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That was obviously the highly controversial fight with Taylor in

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their first fight when he challenged. At the time, Taylor

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was still the undisputed champion at junior Wealter. So look,

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they're taking two of the better guys in the way

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class are matching them up, and you can never complain

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when the best fight the best, and that's what this is.

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They're not maybe number one, but they're certainly among the

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top contenders at one hundred and forty pounds and the winner,

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like you said, TJ, either's going to get a title

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shot against Tiachimo or is going to be elevated to

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the fall champion.

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Speaker 3: Compelling reasons first mentioned by the way will handicap this

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fight a true fifty to fifty fight, it looks like

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on the bet Us line on the bet Us Handicapping

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Show One Eastern Time. Rayfield loves to sing along with

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me on the bet Us platforms including YouTube find us

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on Friday afternoon, as we handicapped this fight, I won more. Wait,

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we're not done yet on the previews before we get

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to Dmitri b Bol. That is the Saturday night Golden

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Boy des Own show in Anaheim, California that was supposed

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to be Oscar Duarte and Regis Progray, but Pro Gray

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injured And did you mention the name earlier Miguel Madueno.

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Speaker 1: I believe he did.

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Speaker 3: He's now in in this main event in Anaheim, California

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to kind of wrap the weekend on Saturday night. So

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give me a little more on the new opponent in

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the main event for Duarte.

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Speaker 1: Here, I mean all things considered for them to get

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midueto on. You know what a week and a half,

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two weeks, notice that most ten days notice thereabouts. It's

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a pretty good saved, you know. So you got to

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give the credit to them for saving it. With a

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reputable type opponent, Duarte has kind of been coming into

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his own and established himself now as as also a

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good contender at one hundred and forty pounds. We talked

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about one hundred and forty pound fight between Catall you

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know that's coming up against Barbosa. This is just another

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guy on the list of you know, good quality, top

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tennish fighters in the division. Remember he lost by a

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knockout to Ryan Garcia. That was back in the end

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of twenty twenty three. Gave a pretty good fight but

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got stopped. Since then though, he's won two fights and

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looked pretty darn good in it. He stopped Joseph Diaz Junior,

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that was pretty impressive. He stopped in the ninth round,

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and then he had a really good fight, exciting but

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clear cut victory against battier Akmandoff, who's probably the most

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hard luck ten to three fighter in the history of

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now ten and four boxer in the history of boxing

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right now. He's kind of been close, but no cigar

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in some of his fights. But he's a really good fighter,

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and that was an excellent fight. That was also in

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that November Latino Night card that was in Rihanna. So

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coming off that, they match him up with Regis Progray,

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you know, who has had his issues obviously in recent fights.

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Miguel Madueno steps in to take his place. He's got

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a very good record thirty one and three with twenty

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eight knockouts, a twenty six year old fighter from Mexico,

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carries a very good punch. He is coming off of

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a loss, however, different style of opponent though compared to

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what he's gonna be facing against Duarte. Duarte is a

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straight ahead, let me brawl, you, let me box, let

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me just you know, punch your face out. But he's

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coming off a ten round decision loss where he lost

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basically every single round against Keishawan Davis. That was back

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in July. That was ninety nine ninety one and all

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three scorecards. So you know, the jury is out. I

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guess we'll see. You know, Keishaw's a tough style for

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pretty much anybody. Duarte is much more straightforward. We'll see

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the thing that does give me pause though, is in

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twenty twenty three, which was three fights ago, he also

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lost a decision to the very big hearted but very straightforward,

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not complicated Steve Claggett, you know who obviously people know

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from his loss more recently just to tfi Ma Lopez.

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So look, I think Miduena will be there to fight,

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and you know, it's up to Duarte to show that

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he's a different level and do what he's supposed to do,

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which is to win and perhaps win by a knockout.

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Midueno has never been stopped though, so that's sort of

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the thing I'm looking for. It's one thing to beat Miduena,

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who's got the losses as I mentioned, but he's never

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been stopped, and his losses that took place against Keishaan

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against Claggett, and they got to go back a number,

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you know, back in twenty twenty two where he got

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a twelve round decision loss to Jezreel Corrals, who at

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one point had a title at one hundred and thirty pounds.

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So but good save for Golden Boys, So pat on

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the back for them for saving the show. And that'll

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be a that'll be a fun card you know they

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got Darius Foldrum to light heavyweight up and cover. Who's

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on the under card or super middleweight, who's an excellent

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upcoming prospect. I'm looking forward to watching Kenneth Sims and

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a good contender in the in one hundred and forty

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seven hundred and forty pound way class. Who's back in

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action on on that show after having had to pull

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out of a previous fight with an injury, So we'll see.

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I mean, I'm always happy to see these guys get

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back in action, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: All right, plenty there again, whether it's in New York

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on Friday night, Manchester, England, saurday afternoon US time, or

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Saturday night late night in Anaheim, California for the Golden

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Boys show. Lots of previews and then we get to

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next weekend and the rematch on February twenty second for

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Dmitri Bevol against Arthur Betterbiev for the undisputed light heavyweight title.

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But before we ever go to fight week, you can

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hear from Dmitri Bevil right now here as a part

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of the preview pod as he is with Dan Rayfield

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in advance of fight week coming up.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is my pleasure to welcome back to our

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podcast the former light heavyweight champion Dmitri Bevil. Dmitri, thank

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you very much for being back on the show with us.

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Last time we spoke, you were going into a huge

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fight for the undisputed title with Arthur Bedder BV didn't

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go your Now you're getting ready for the rematch, so

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we're here to talk about it. That fight will take

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place February twenty second. It is the main event of

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a massive READ season card, a tremendous card in Read

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Saudi Arabia. I know you're in Turkey now training for

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the fight, so, Dmitri, thank you very much for joining me.

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How's everything going getting ready for the rematch?

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Everything is going well. I'm in the good mood.

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Speaker 4: We have good trainings and everything as well.

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Speaker 1: So before we get to the rematch, I want to

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just talk a little bit about the first fight that

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took place this past October. Great matchup one versus two

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for the undisputed championship. There hadn't been an undisputed champ

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in twenty five years since Roy Jones, and it was

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a really close fight Dmitri. He ended up winning a

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majority decision and I just wanted to know if you

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could describe to me just your overall disappointment and not

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getting your hand raised that night.

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Speaker 2: You know, of course I was disappointed, but I didn't win.

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It was my first lose.

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Speaker 4: But generally I didn't like myself because I didn't do well.

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You know, if I look at myself, I could be better,

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but I wasn't, you know, And this is enough for me.

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I don't want to discuss something more. I just didn't

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like myself that night. It was some good moments, but

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it could be more. I could do more. And now

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I have to be focused on my second fight and

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I have to do much more.

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Speaker 2: I have to create much more good moments.

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Speaker 1: How hard was it to kind of get over that?

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Did it take a couple of days, a couple of weeks?

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Are you still dealing with it.

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Speaker 2: Not?

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Speaker 4: You know, at the beginning, I was like, Okay, this

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is my this is my life. I have to deal

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with this. Then I was okay. Then some some days

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I wasn't happy that I'm not a champion anymore, but

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not not too much. Thanks God, I didn't injure it.

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I didn't break my hand or something else. You know,

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I got experience, and I got pretty much.

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Speaker 2: It was fine.

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Speaker 1: So the fighter scores were one sixteen to one twelve,

472
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,640
one fifteen to one thirteen in better B's favor. The

473
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,400
other judge had it one fourteen to one fourteen, which,

474
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,559
being honest, Dmitri, that's how I scored the fighter draw.

475
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,160
But I wondered, do you view it as was the

476
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,359
result controversial or was it just a really close fight

477
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,799
that baby could have gotten either way and he just

478
00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:47,480
happened to be the guy that got it that night.

479
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:59,839
Speaker 2: Boat seen in a Bosky boy was just it was

480
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,119
very close fight.

481
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 4: And yeah, maybe he was more luck of more lucky

482
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:13,440
in that day that his trial was much more better

483
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:19,640
for judges, but it doesn't matter. He I didn't count

484
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,880
rounds even when I was watching the fight, but my

485
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,720
feelings was that yeah, I could I could do more.

486
00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: So you've got so you've gone back and looked at

487
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,279
the fight, but you've not actually scored it. I was

488
00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:35,880
gonna ask you, like, how did you score the fight?

489
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: No? No, no, I didn't. I didn't score it at all.

490
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 4: I'm usually not scoring fights when i'm watching, even if

491
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,480
somebody's fighting.

492
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how to explain.

493
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 4: I'm just watching and I'm trying to find some moments,

494
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,160
you know, which is nice, you know, some combinations like

495
00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:57,400
and I'm enjoying it, or I don't enjoy some combinations,

496
00:23:57,799 --> 00:24:00,960
or I can see some mistakes or some good moments.

497
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: Just I'm watching fights like this.

498
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: So you said a few times you needed that you

499
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,319
needed to do more, and I and I, you know,

500
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,680
I thought you fought a hell of a fight. I

501
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,279
thought that he fought a very good fight. Also, so

502
00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:12,200
when you say you needed to do more, I wonder

503
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,920
if you could be a little more specific about the

504
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,359
kinds of things that you need to do more.

505
00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: I need to I need to target. Yeah, I said

506
00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:28,039
bush and more. I need to be more precise.

507
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:34,519
Speaker 4: I don't want to say more direct things, but generally,

508
00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:40,160
I just need to do more. To everybody not questioning

509
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,640
who's the winner of this fight.

510
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,599
Speaker 2: I want to I want to be like, oh, this.

511
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 4: Fight is finished, and even the people could turn off

512
00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:50,920
the TV because they know who win this fight.

513
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:54,039
Speaker 1: You know, now, going into the bout, Dimitri, he was

514
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,839
the only champion in boxing with a perfect knockout record.

515
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,839
You know, were you at least proud to have stopped

516
00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:03,960
the great knockout record that this man had. Uh and

517
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,599
how was it? How was his power?

518
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 2: I'm not proud because I should win this fight. You know.

519
00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:10,680
I came not to.

520
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 4: H to lose the fight. I came to win this fight.

521
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,079
I had only this in my head.

522
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,039
Speaker 2: Uh.

523
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: How was his power?

524
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: He's very strong?

525
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, his his natural power is really he's strong.

526
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: He's like.

527
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: Is his feasts like his feast?

528
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,279
Speaker 1: Uh, very heavy, best puncher you've been hit by in

529
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:41,799
your career?

530
00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:48,559
Speaker 2: Uh, heavy pint, the best heavy pincher. Yeah.

531
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:51,279
Speaker 1: So when the fight was over, Turkey al Chic from

532
00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:54,480
Saudi Arabia, of course he oversees all the real season events,

533
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,839
said to some reporters that he thought that you were

534
00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:59,200
the winner by two rounds and that you should have

535
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,039
had your hand raised, and that he wanted to do

536
00:26:01,079 --> 00:26:03,079
the rematch. And so what did it mean to you

537
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,680
in that moment to have the support from from him,

538
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,519
to know that he probably it.

539
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:12,559
Speaker 4: Means a lot. It means that I gonna have another chance,

540
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:17,720
you know. And I appreciate so much Turqualous for this

541
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,880
move foot, for his u for what he's doing. And

542
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:28,279
I think even both kingsens wants to see another flight.

543
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:32,319
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Uh so when when I know, right

544
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,759
after the fight, you know, your team petitioned the organizations

545
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:38,039
to make sure that they would order a rematch, because

546
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:40,279
at that moment it wasn't one hundred percent necessarily that

547
00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:42,960
you would get the rematch right away. Obviously that did

548
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,119
happen because Arthur was fine to fight you again. He said,

549
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,720
no problem. If that's what Turkey wanted, he would have

550
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:52,039
he would give you another fight. But the organizations, well,

551
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:53,759
they didn't have to go through the process to order

552
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:56,519
the match. As it turns out, all four belts are

553
00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:58,400
gonna be a stake again. So I wonder, like, how

554
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,160
much is it meaning to you not only to get

555
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,680
the rematch to try to avenge the loss, but also

556
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,759
have all the belts at stay to live the dream

557
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:07,079
if you can win to be undisputed.

558
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's also appreciate to all organizations that they

559
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:19,799
support this decision about very much. And it was really

560
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,759
it was really hard work for my team. I mean

561
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:28,960
for my manager Vadim, he was he was dealing with

562
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,839
this a lot. I wasn't interfering this stuff because it's

563
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,400
not my job, my job as being the gym, but

564
00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:42,799
all of this Wajim through Cal Shay promoter Eddie Hearn

565
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:52,440
and all organizations. They conclusion into a conclusion and this

566
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:55,640
is what we see today that we will have a rematch.

567
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:55,839
Speaker 2: With the.

568
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: Right so lose.

569
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: You you you froze.

570
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: There we go. Uh, let me just follow up with

571
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,559
that then, Dmitri, what would it be? So I know

572
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:13,000
how important we talked in the interview before the first fight,

573
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:15,480
how big it would be to become undisputed champion. I

574
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:17,799
wonder how much more meaning would it have for you

575
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,720
to not only become the undisputed champion, but to do

576
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:23,319
so by avenging your only loss.

577
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:29,759
Speaker 4: To be honest, I didn't want to be to have ah.

578
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,079
Speaker 2: I wanted to be zero in my losses.

579
00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:39,559
Speaker 4: It's just it's destroyed my record, you know, and then

580
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:45,400
now I cannot I cannot change anything what happened.

581
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,759
Speaker 2: But it's uh, I.

582
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 4: Just need to take revenge. Of course, it will be

583
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:01,839
good for myself, just for for my personality that I

584
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,440
can take revenge now.

585
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,359
Speaker 2: And then also Bels of course sure knowledge.

586
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: So he's he just turned forty years old in the

587
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,160
last few days as we're doing this interview, and he's

588
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,480
coming back to fight you for the rematch only four

589
00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:19,640
months after your first fight, so and he hasn't had

590
00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:22,759
that kind of turnaround with two fights so close together.

591
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,440
I looked at his record. You have to go all

592
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,160
the way back to twenty fifteen when he was just

593
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,000
in the very early stages of his professional career, and

594
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:32,039
I thought to myself, do you think that that might

595
00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:35,319
be an advantage for you to force an older fighter

596
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:37,920
back into the ring so quickly where he maybe hasn't

597
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,000
had the kind of rest that he's used to after fights.

598
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:43,319
Speaker 2: I don't know.

599
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 4: I don't think about this every time when I'm in

600
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:51,279
my camp. I think that my opponent is the best

601
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:56,559
upon in the best shape, doesn't matter he's forty years old,

602
00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:01,599
fifty years old, he's young, or I'm trying to think

603
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:06,000
that he's in the best shape and on the camp,

604
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:11,119
I'm not trying to be to be better than forty

605
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,920
years old man, or to be better than better before

606
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,119
somebody else. I'm trying to be better than me before.

607
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,599
You know, I'm trying to think about this, not and

608
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:29,440
not taking this advantage and putting in my head and

609
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,039
training with this.

610
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: No, I'm not thinking about it.

611
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: I understand that do you do you allow yourself at

612
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,359
all to think about. You know, if you are the

613
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,279
winner and you are the under speeded champion, what you

614
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:41,440
would want to do after that? Perhaps a third fight.

615
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,480
Maybe whoever emerges from bena Vide's and morale, they're going

616
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:47,799
to be the mandatory challenger.

617
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 4: To be honest, today I was running and I was.

618
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,119
Speaker 2: Thinking about I always think that.

619
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,079
Speaker 4: This is my last fight. It's kind of on my

620
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,279
last fight, and I have to be focused on this fight.

621
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: But also I have some small plan behind behind it.

622
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:16,119
Speaker 4: Yeah that after the fight, I will like like before, Yeah,

623
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:22,480
after the fight against like Malex, not I will have

624
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,160
Arthur bitter b fight I have, but I have to

625
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,720
be focused on the not but would better be fight.

626
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:35,079
I didn't have this like future plan, you know. And

627
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,920
now I was running and I was thinking, what what

628
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,359
what what I have to put something more fun?

629
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: Maybe I will move to cruiserweight. Why not?

630
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: Oh? Is that is that of interest to you? Because

631
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,279
there's good fighters network class Opataia is involved with the

632
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:53,599
read season. He's up there fight in Saudi Arabia.

633
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: Why why not?

634
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: I have to have some goal for the future also

635
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:02,839
because uh, and the goal should be with belts of course,

636
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,200
I want to have belts.

637
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,559
Speaker 2: I cannot go down now because there is.

638
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,839
Speaker 4: Already busy everybody with belts like Canela Crawford, and they

639
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,079
have their own business, and I'm not sure about what's

640
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:23,400
going on there, and maybe I have to think.

641
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: About cruisier weight, like just tell little bit.

642
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:29,519
Speaker 1: I just have to put this well, I mean the

643
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:32,640
plan in motion. It seems as though with better with

644
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,000
Opataia and with Zerdo Ramirez both boxing on Saudi cards.

645
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,200
I know Turkey is looking to make that match for

646
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:41,920
later in the year and whoever mergers from there, if

647
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,319
you're the under spirit of light heavyweight champion, there you

648
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:45,839
go as a humongous fight, don't you think?

649
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why why not?

650
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:47,799
Speaker 1: Yeah?

651
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 4: Why why not? If another fighters could move, why I cannot?

652
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,039
I can also, But first of all, I have to

653
00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:57,559
think about very much.

654
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: Of course, oh yes, no doubt about it. And like

655
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:02,799
I said, if it's a great matchup with dew and Arthur,

656
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,480
maybe you do a third fight with him.

657
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,799
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe also it could be yeah.

658
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: But we're not going to know any of that until

659
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,759
we see what happens in the rematch. It takes place

660
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:16,680
on February twenty seconds, so I know you're getting ready

661
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,480
for that. Like I said, I appreciate you taking some

662
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,000
time out of the camp to talk to me today,

663
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,640
very much appreciate it. I wish you the best of

664
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,160
luck in the fight, Dimitrie, much appreciated.

665
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,319
Speaker 2: Thank you, then, thank you having wood dat.

666
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: Good stuff as always, and interesting that he's now the challenger.

667
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,359
And it was a fairly close fight the first time

668
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,480
around his fellow Russian, So you got a lot of

669
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:44,720
backdrop here on this final thoughts. Having talked to Dmitri

670
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:46,079
here recently before fight.

671
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,079
Speaker 1: Week, Yeah, you mentioned really close fight. I mean I

672
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:50,960
scored a draw. I said it to him in the interview.

673
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:54,359
It was very close. You know, he clearly he's bummed

674
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,200
out about the loss. I don't blame him because it

675
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,160
was that close, but you know, it's very obvious he

676
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,519
was very grateful that everybody worked together where he was

677
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,279
able to get this immediate rematch, whether it was his management,

678
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:07,920
his promotion, Turkey, the organizations, so he gets a chance

679
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,559
to have the rematch with all the belts at stake.

680
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:13,519
Nobody did any crazy stuff and started stripping guys. But Dimitri,

681
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,440
as I've interviewed him many times, I always find to

682
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,559
be a thoughtful guy. He was. Actually when I spoke

683
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:21,880
to him several days ago, he was in his training

684
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,440
camp in the country of Turkey. So that's where he

685
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:26,760
was training. I asked before we tape the interview, I

686
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,320
asked his manager, why are you guys in Turkey. I

687
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,360
guess they knew a guy who had a great gym

688
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,639
and they just liked it was in the same time zone,

689
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,280
roughly and similar.

690
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:36,679
Speaker 3: I've always said, when you're going to rematch your Russian

691
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,840
counterpart in Saudi Arabia, you gotta train in Turkey. You

692
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,960
gotta know a guy in Turkey. I've always said that.

693
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was sort of surprised. I always

694
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,920
find it intriguing when guys go to different places. It's

695
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,119
not a place where he's trained before. But anyway, I

696
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,480
think we all are in for another interesting matchup with

697
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:54,199
Better Bevan, and you know that that's the main event

698
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,880
on a you know, a card that maybe is not

699
00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:00,079
getting it's not getting the publicity it should for the

700
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,559
magnitude of the event. I agree, it's not gonna do

701
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:04,599
shit on pay per view, at least in the United States,

702
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,480
but if you're a fan, it is an absolutely musty card.

703
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,280
And they've priced it appropriately and I can't wait to

704
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,000
watch it.

705
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: Gonna be a lot of fun. That's next weekend on

706
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,840
February twenty second, in the afternoon US time, from Saudi Arabia.

707
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,039
All right, some news here for this week. We wondered

708
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,440
when this rematch would potentially resurface because Haimi Mungia wants

709
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,280
to shake off the humiliating knockout loss to Brunos Sirase

710
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,519
who beat him in his hometown late in twenty twenty four.

711
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,840
And now we know when it is and it's actually compelling.

712
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:44,119
Go ahead here, Dan with the latest and what's announced.

713
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, as you mentioned huge upset, upset of the year,

714
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,000
I think pretty much any outlet or anybody that was

715
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:51,800
doing the list at the end of twenty twenty four

716
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:56,039
picked this knockout that he scored against Mangia as the

717
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,760
knockout of the ear I mean, with spectacular one punch knockout.

718
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,360
And by the way, you fight that Saras they had

719
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,960
lost every single second of every single round, had been

720
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:05,079
knocked down earlier in the fight. And then, as you

721
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:07,760
like to say, TJ. Boom goes to dynamite one big shot. Yeah,

722
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:11,239
there she goes and that was all that was. It

723
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,239
was just a shocking study, just a shocking, shocking upset

724
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,480
was at round number six and it was just out

725
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:22,440
of nowhere. But anyway, Mongia had the right to a rematch. Now,

726
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,199
my understanding is the rematch. It's one thing to have

727
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,679
a rematch clause and you can exercise it. And I'm

728
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:28,639
not sure why this happened. I don't usually hear these

729
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,880
things in other rematch clause situations. Yes, you have the

730
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,800
right to an immediate rematch, but there was no dollar

731
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,679
figures assigned in the fight. There was no parameters or

732
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,000
purses or financial aspects of the fight laid out. So

733
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:44,480
they were having trouble closing with Sarase, who obviously knows

734
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:47,159
the value that he has coming off that win, where

735
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:49,000
Mangia has to get to win back, and he also

736
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,000
now becomes an attractive opponent for lots of other fighters

737
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,800
in a good division as a guy who was still undefeated.

738
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,960
Sarase is now twenty six h to two. But it

739
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:01,559
never fought anybody, I mean with the dregs of the world,

740
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,599
guys with some of the shittiest records you can imagine.

741
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,079
So we didn't know but he scored the big knockout anyway,

742
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,280
with the cost not being able to be figured out.

743
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:14,960
Here now comes in after he signs up Canelo Alvarez

744
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,079
for the fore fight deal talking about Turkey al Chic,

745
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,159
and they make the fight between Canelo and your boy

746
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:24,280
William Skull for the un disputed super Medawait title on

747
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,400
May third, and Ria Turkey and his people then went

748
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,440
and had discussions with Zandford Promotions, which works with Top

749
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,440
Break on Mangia and they are going to work out

750
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,679
a deal to buy basically buy the rights to Sarrasse

751
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,400
and Mangiat number two and so they will foot the

752
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,800
bill and put the fight on the undercart as the

753
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,480
co feature on May third, when Canelo fights William Skull.

754
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:50,239
So one fight below the main event is the guy

755
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,360
that Canelo defeated in a fight that took place in

756
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,039
twenty twenty four. What makes it sort of interesting from

757
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:58,559
the standpoint of how it's now on the show is

758
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:03,559
that when Canelo defeated Mungia, Canelo, of course trained by

759
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:06,920
Eddie Renoso. Mugia had returned to Eric Morales for their

760
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,679
second tour of duty together. He is now separated once

761
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,000
again from Ery mc moralis and TJ. Guess who he

762
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:12,920
hired as this trainer.

763
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: I'm thinking it's gonna be Eddie Renoso.

764
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:17,599
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, So he is now training in the camp

765
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:20,960
with his one time foe, Canelo Alvarez, and so Eddie

766
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,119
will have both of those guys on the show. Interesting

767
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,679
he'll train him for that fight. And look, this is

768
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:29,679
all about can he erase the absolute fucking stench of

769
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,519
that knockout because if he can't, then Mungia is fucked

770
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,840
because that is one of the worst losses in recent

771
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,760
boxing history. So it's all about, you know, clean up.

772
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,039
What's the old saying, clean up in Aisle seven. This

773
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:44,360
is clean up and Aisle seven.

774
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: From Aisle seven.

775
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: So if he can clean up the mess and Aisle seven,

776
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,719
which is now spilling over to Aisle six, five, four

777
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,920
and three, you know, at that point he can move

778
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,840
on to some bigger business in the super middleweight division.

779
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,679
But that as honestly, in some ways, I mean, we

780
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,760
all love Canelo and seeing the man in action, but

781
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,840
this is even some a little bit more maybe all right,

782
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,480
intrigue than the main event, because who the fuck knows

783
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,760
what's gonna happen in Sirase against Moggy in the rematch.

784
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,400
Very interesting. It adds depth to the card.

785
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,559
Speaker 3: And once again we keep seeing this Money talks on

786
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:22,320
making these things happen. I mean, just like you talked

787
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,719
to Dimitri Beeble. We got a rematch for the undisputed

788
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,280
title four months after the other fight. Right, so Money

789
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,280
talks on this h you did share with us previously.

790
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,800
This is why you got to be on the pods

791
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,920
on the preview pot of the recap pot about Raymond

792
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,480
Mretaya getting a title shot and the vacant IBF intern

793
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:43,280
lightweight title will be on the line on a top

794
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,719
ranked card in May. What have you learned including the opponent?

795
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,199
Where is it, et cetera. What are the details for Morotaia?

796
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:51,599
Speaker 1: Sure? Well, the opponent's always been the same. They had

797
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:56,079
ordered a fight between Za Abdeliav and ray Moretaya and

798
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,719
Top Rank and the RCC Promotions folks who promote Abdeliav.

799
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:02,480
There was a purse bit scheduled. They were ultimately able

800
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,559
to make a deal. Top Rank was going to promote

801
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:05,960
the fight and they had planned to put it on

802
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,800
their show. That's going to be April fifth in Las Vegas.

803
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,760
As the main event, and after they made the deal,

804
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:14,079
they were informed, Oh, by the way, Zaarab Delive is

805
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:16,239
not available to fight on April fifth because he is

806
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:20,159
Muslim and he will be observing Ramadan, which runs from

807
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,679
February twenty eighth to March twenty ninth, so he's not

808
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:25,679
going to be available for April fifth. So that kind

809
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:27,280
of screwed them up. So they're trying to figure out

810
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,400
what they're doing for April fifth. But in the meantime,

811
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,039
as I spoke to Carl Murretty from Top Rank the

812
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:34,519
other day, they have now situated this fight and it

813
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:36,039
will be the main event on the Top Rank card.

814
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:38,760
It will take place May tenth at the Pachanga Arena

815
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,920
in San Diego, where they have done other events before,

816
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,800
and Ray is from southern california'll probably have a nice

817
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,199
group of fans there cheering them on, and so that

818
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,760
will produce the interim Champion of the IVF. And it's

819
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,840
all about whether Vasili Lomachenko is going to come back,

820
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,079
as everybody knows if you follow along at all, he

821
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:59,000
is sidelined now for several months due to a back injury.

822
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,400
When he comes back, if he comes back, he will

823
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,679
be obligated to fight the winner of this fight in

824
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,440
defense of the title. If he retires or doesn't come back,

825
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:08,599
or delects to give up the title, the winner of

826
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:12,280
Martai and Obdilag will become the IBF World Champion in

827
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,599
the lightweight division. So it is an interesting matchup. I

828
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:17,000
will say, I mean Zarev Delive it just has one loss,

829
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,239
so you got to go back a few years ago.

830
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,599
We got stopped actually in a interim title fight in

831
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,559
twenty nineteen by Devin Haty. Other than that, he's got

832
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,679
some decent wins on his record, and we know Maritai

833
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,119
is coming off of what is considered by most people

834
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:33,480
his biggest win, which was a very close fight against

835
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,760
Tevin Farmer that took place in July. So to me,

836
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,440
this is a nice competitive matchup on paper, it's got

837
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,760
some stakes. Adlive is twenty victories, one loss, two twelve knockouts.

838
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,039
Bartay is twenty two and oh was seventeen. You know,

839
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:47,320
they're both about the same age. Martayas twenty seven, a

840
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,119
Delive is thirty, and you know, it's a pretty solid fight.

841
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:51,599
I feel like it's going to be competitive, and I'm

842
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:53,519
glad they were going to you know, get it situated

843
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:56,800
after some you know, unknown factors that were going on

844
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,679
when they were finally able to get a deal done.

845
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: All right, and again that's coming for May you have

846
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,199
another You got lots of updates. You got another update

847
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,079
here on Edgar Berlanga. He's going to be back next month,

848
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:12,239
first fight since the September loss to Canelo. What's the update, uh,

849
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,599
here on Edgar Berlanga's return.

850
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,119
Speaker 1: All right, So, originally I had reported this, and I

851
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:20,079
think others had also. This was not they hadn't be

852
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:22,199
formally announced it, but it was certainly not a secret

853
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,880
that he was going to come back on March eighth

854
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,159
and headline a Mattrium card in Puerto Rico. That did

855
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,599
not happen, And the reason why it didn't happen is

856
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:35,320
because his team and Mattroom Boxing they just could not

857
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,239
come to an agreement on the particulars of the package

858
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,000
of the and the and the parameters of the fight.

859
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,159
And everybody knows, if you follow along, that this is

860
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:46,559
the last fight of Edgar Berlanga's contract with Mattroom Boxing.

861
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,199
So basically what they did is they they accepted all

862
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,000
kinds of different opponents from what I am told in

863
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,079
terms of who the opponent would be, but there was

864
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:59,239
other factors involved. In the end, he's taking a dramatic

865
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,079
amount of lesson money. Berlanga is to fight on instead

866
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:05,320
of the original date and do the main event. He

867
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,320
will now fight March fifteenth on the undercard when Ama

868
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,880
Williams comes back, and also the same card where has

869
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,159
the professional debut of the Olympic United States, a bronze

870
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:17,960
medal winner Omari Jones. That's going to take place at Orlando,

871
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,480
Florida at the crib Raal where you actually Edgar the

872
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:24,440
fight before he fought Canelo fought there also, So they're

873
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,639
looking at like this as we're taking this fight. We're

874
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:29,400
taking a dramatic amount of less money, but we're going

875
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,079
to be a free agent and we're gonna go out

876
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:32,679
and try to get a big fight this summer. Conley,

877
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,320
Keith Connley, who's the manager form Berlanga, had told me, look,

878
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,360
we couldn't agree on stuff. We're doing this because we

879
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,480
are trying to set up a bigger fight in the summer,

880
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,880
and what that means is a very good chance. That's

881
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:47,639
if he wins and he's free agent, there's a good

882
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:50,719
possibility that you're talking about Berlanga later in the year

883
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,639
against opponents, perhaps against Mangia. If he defeats Sarrase, that's

884
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:58,320
a tremendous fight, really fun Mexico Puerto Rico kind of fight.

885
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,320
Two guys that make good fight. If not that, the

886
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,280
other fight that they're talking about, which is also I

887
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,119
believe a very makeable fight for a lot of different reasons,

888
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,119
is with Berlanga against Caleb Plant. The two of them

889
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:11,079
have been talking shit on social media for a while.

890
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,159
They want to fight each other. So you know, he

891
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:16,119
he's not fighting a top name in terms of the

892
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:20,000
opponent that is coming up. He's fighting a Jonathan Gonzalez

893
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:23,000
ortist who is undefeated but also has had two fights

894
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,880
and before that was offered ten years Like when I

895
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,440
saw that he was the opponent, I was like, I

896
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:29,639
kind of vaguely remember them, but I.

897
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 3: Is this the same guy? Yeah, it is the same guy.

898
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: He fought on HBO when Triple G made his American

899
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,400
debut all those years ago at the Turning Stone Resort

900
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,760
in Verona, New York. He fought the former junior middleway

901
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,039
title theer Sara z Inzerra, who badly missed weight. They

902
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:49,480
put on one of the worst fucking fights you'll ever see,

903
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:54,000
largely because of Zinzerra. In any event, I thought, I

904
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:55,760
was like, I thought this guy's long retired. I looked

905
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,639
at his boxer. I fuck couldn't fight for ten years.

906
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,320
I was told he was in prison for a good

907
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,960
part of that time. But he's fought two fights against

908
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,480
nobody's and it's always still undefeated, and he's coming back

909
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,079
to fight Berlina. Now I'm not blaming the Berlanga team

910
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:11,039
for this type opponent because, again, according to Connley, who's

911
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:13,440
got a good track record with me, they accepted all

912
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,840
kinds of different opponents for this fight, and it was

913
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,440
and various things happened. They weren't able to finalize them

914
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:20,760
that when mattrom was you know, going through the process.

915
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,840
In any event, this is Berlanga coming back off of

916
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,320
the victory, rather off of Canello's victory against him and

917
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,039
trying to set up a bigger fight. And if he

918
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:32,440
can get through this fight and fight Caleb Plant or

919
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,960
fight Mongia or maybe in order fight both of them,

920
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,199
those are fun, exciting, interesting matchups.

921
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 3: We love all of this. We're gonna keep rolling here.

922
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,880
We got some Oscar de la Hoya and nostalgia in

923
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,559
a moment, but he still got more news. Okay, So

924
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:47,280
the next week after March fifteenth, March twenty second, PBC

925
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,239
has finally formally announced Sebastian Fundora's return. No, it's not

926
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,679
against Errol Spence. We already knew that, So explain this

927
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,280
WBCWBO Junior Middleweight title defense and also what else is

928
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,119
on the card? Is made the announcement earlier in the

929
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:01,880
week here, all.

930
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: Right, So, I mean the bottom line is he'd been

931
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,280
basically well. First of all, he had fought since he

932
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,880
won the titles against Kim Zoo in that blood bath

933
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:10,800
that was in last March. That was the first ever

934
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,400
PBC event with prime video, that was a pay per view,

935
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,679
and he was injured, so he was offered a bit

936
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:18,360
because of that. But then in reality, he was also

937
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,639
waiting because they were trying to put together the Arrow

938
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:22,880
Spence fight and Arrol had his own medical issues with

939
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,880
his eye and he wasn't ready. He was looking for

940
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,800
a new trainer. He was because he's in a lawsuit

941
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:29,440
with Derek James. Anyway, they just didn't want to wait

942
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,159
around and wait around and wait around, so they are

943
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:33,800
taking another fight with the idea that if he gets

944
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,199
through this fight when Errol's ready, maybe in the summer

945
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,280
they'll still fight Errol Spence. But in the meantime he

946
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,639
can't just sit around and not ever fight, so Fondora

947
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:43,039
will defend his titles. They basically went through the rankings.

948
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:46,440
They're fighting a fighter named Cordell Booker who's twenty three

949
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:50,079
and one with eleven knockouts, a southpaw from Stanford, Connecticut,

950
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,960
pretty good technical boxer. The one loss he had was

951
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:56,119
in the middleweight division. He was out of his weight class,

952
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:57,960
so I kind of I mean it was a first

953
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:01,360
round knockout loss against Amo Williams. You can kind of

954
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,039
forgive it because you know, first roun knockouts happened, guys

955
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:06,079
get caught. But also he was out of the way

956
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:08,039
class he has fought his entire career, and so I'm

957
00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:10,039
not sitting here telling you he's gonna beat Fandora. But

958
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,440
I don't think it's the crazy mismatch that I've seen

959
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,559
some people talk about, because not like Fandora is indestructible.

960
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,719
So that will be his first defense for Fondora, it

961
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,960
is not a pay per view. It will be only

962
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,119
the second time since PBC and a Prime Video came

963
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:27,559
together for their agreement that they're going to do a

964
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:29,039
non pay per view. Well you know, and that that

965
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:33,400
agreement began with the first event in March of last year,

966
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:36,559
so they're gonna do this event. The other non pay

967
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:39,559
per view was when Tim Zu lost the title Tim MARTAZELIV.

968
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:41,679
That was back in the fall anyway. So that's the

969
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:44,960
main event. And in terms of the undercard fights, remember

970
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,280
when we saw Benavidez and David Morrel we saw in

971
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,119
a middleweight fight. We saw Haesus Ramos Junior who came

972
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,679
back and looked very good on that undercard. Well, he

973
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,920
is gonna be back at action very quickly. This is

974
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,679
like the most active PBC guy there is that I'm sorry.

975
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,079
Speaker 3: He fought at the beginning February and he's gonna fight

976
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,440
March twenty seven. That's actually possible, yes, and he's actually

977
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:04,800
doing that.

978
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: Yep.

979
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 3: Bravo Jesus Ramos who's fighting.

980
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,639
Speaker 1: And also bravo to PBC for a keep end of the

981
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,000
kid active because he's a very good young fighter. So

982
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,039
he is. He fought the fight against Jason Rosario on

983
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,159
the Benavides and the real card. He fought that fight

984
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:20,760
as a middleweight, looked awesome, dominated when every round, stopped

985
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,639
Rosario in the eighth round. He's returning to Jingger middle

986
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:25,199
which is what he said after the fight, that that

987
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,679
was not He wasn't moving up to middleweight to stay there,

988
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,920
so he's coming back to Jinger middleweight. He'll take on

989
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,559
Kevin Salgado, who makes exciting fights, whose uncle is a

990
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,239
former world champion anyway, So that's the co feature, and

991
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,119
then the opening fight on this triple header will be

992
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:43,440
Elijah Garcia, the middleweight who's taken on the Olympian and

993
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,159
multi time world title challenger Tourell Gachet for a non

994
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:50,360
pay per view with some good names and what I

995
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,519
feel like are reasonable matchups, not bad. I can't really complain.

996
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:58,239
Salgado has, you know, been in good fights. He's won

997
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,760
two fights in a row. He did get knocked out

998
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,400
by Elijah Garcia. It is loss, uh, you know this

999
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:06,320
previous loss, but again it is what it is. Garcia

1000
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,679
is trying to readown. He was a humongous prospect, He's

1001
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,039
only twenty one years old. He suffered an upset loss. Uh,

1002
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,320
and we'll see if you can get back on the

1003
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,480
horse against a well traveled Torel Gichet.

1004
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: All right, so nostalgia to end it, and this includes

1005
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:20,639
wait a minute, what is this?

1006
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what is this?

1007
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,079
Speaker 3: On my list? Muhammad Ali's fight worn trunks from the

1008
00:49:26,159 --> 00:49:31,440
Thrilla in Manila sold for one point two million dollars

1009
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:38,360
at auction earlier last weekend. My question is did you

1010
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:41,199
purchase them for the Rayfield collection? And you've been holding

1011
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:44,920
out on me and the savages in the podcast audience.

1012
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,519
Do you own the trunks? Confirm or deny?

1013
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,559
Speaker 1: TJ. I do not own the trunks, but you know

1014
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:52,159
what something like this happens. I'm not put that on

1015
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:55,039
the rundown. How much I love the memorabilia and all

1016
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:57,480
this stuff with boxing, I find this to be amazing. Now,

1017
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,119
these trunks have changed hands in the past, gonna in

1018
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,199
a number of years.

1019
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 3: You took that question, so this is if they changed

1020
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:08,159
hands multiple times. Have any of his trunks before sold

1021
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:11,480
for anything remotely like this, because you would know why.

1022
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: Don't know? I think this for an Ali pair of trunks,

1023
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,320
I think this is probably the most they like you said,

1024
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,920
they sold for one point two million. If you go

1025
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,039
back when they changed hands in fairly short order over

1026
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:23,840
the span of a few months, all the way back

1027
00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:27,760
what like twelve thirteen years ago. They sold for less

1028
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,360
than one hundred and sixty thousand dollars. But it just

1029
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,320
shows you the in the in the investability of you know,

1030
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,880
significant sports memorabilia. Obviously, the Thriller in Manila is one

1031
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,039
of the single most famous fights in the history of boxing,

1032
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,679
with the single most iconic fighter in the history of boxing.

1033
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,400
It's a big deal. And they are photo matched. I mean,

1034
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,000
they're the real deal. They have obviously, they've analyzed the signature,

1035
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:53,119
they are inscribed. They're the typical alley white and black

1036
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,719
satin trunks, you know, with the white with the black trim,

1037
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:59,960
and you know the famous quarterman and and hype band

1038
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,480
that Ali. After all those years Bundini Brown, Uh when when?

1039
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,880
When Bundini died a number of years ago, he had

1040
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,239
a whole shiload of ALI material in like a storage box,

1041
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:13,320
and a lot of that has now been you know,

1042
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,360
entered into the to the collectible realm and been auctioned off.

1043
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,880
He had a treasure trove of fight used material he

1044
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:22,559
basically curated and kept a lot of that stuff, and

1045
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:25,719
this is one of those artifacts that is being sold.

1046
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,119
But the thing is, this is so significant because other

1047
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,159
than maybe Fraser one and and the and the uh

1048
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,039
Rumble in the Jungle, the Thrill Manila is in those

1049
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,440
top three most famous fights of Ali's ever, I mean,

1050
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,920
whatever order you choose to put them in, and let's

1051
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,519
face it, it's too many people. The single greatest heavyweight

1052
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:46,760
champions and fight of all time a third fight against

1053
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,199
Joe Fraser, just an h. The searing violence of that

1054
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,480
fight is just is off the charts. I've I've been

1055
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:57,760
privileged to have like deep conversations with Bob Aram about

1056
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,360
that fight, who promoted it, talking about the type of

1057
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,400
heat that was going on in the arena and all

1058
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:03,800
the things leading up to it, how they did it

1059
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,079
in the morning because it was on close circuit here

1060
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:09,239
in the United States in the evening. Just a very

1061
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,000
very historical fight. And so if you're going to have

1062
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:16,119
a piece of memorabilia, you'd want like either Ali's trunks

1063
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:19,159
or his boves or his robe or shoes or whatever.

1064
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:20,800
And somebody bought it for a million.

1065
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 3: What an epic fight. I don't want to accept. We're

1066
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,800
in the fiftieth anniversary year of the thriller in Manila,

1067
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:28,199
and it still holds up.

1068
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:30,559
Speaker 1: But by the way, let me just stay for the record,

1069
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:32,280
I do not own the trunk. But if I did,

1070
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,320
we do this on Zoom, I would stand up and

1071
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,360
show you that I was wearing them.

1072
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 3: You would be wearing the trunks while on the show.

1073
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,480
And he is not because we do this on a

1074
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:44,880
video hookup. But I did look at this because I

1075
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,880
thought I remember this correctly. So Jim Ersay, the Ursay

1076
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,760
family that owns the Colts. He bought the robe, the

1077
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,519
robe that Ali wore against Sunny Listen in the first fight.

1078
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,840
It's not specified how much he paid for the robe. However,

1079
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,519
he bought the green WBC heavyweight title belt of Muhammad

1080
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:09,039
Ali's and in the story that I am seeing, he

1081
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:12,320
paid six million dollars.

1082
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I've en belt. I wrote about that at the time,

1083
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,159
no disrespect to Jim Ersay. That was probably the single

1084
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,800
most overpaid thing in the history of boxing memorabilia. And

1085
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,199
the reason is because that particular belt, it's not a

1086
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,199
knock on the WBC. It's not a knock and if

1087
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:30,119
he really wanted it, it's worth what you're willing to

1088
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:32,480
pay for it. But it wasn't even the belt that

1089
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:36,280
was in real time. It was given to Muhammad Ali

1090
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,320
as a after like well after the fight. There was

1091
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,559
two of them as a matter of fact, so we

1092
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:43,480
as one of the two. And it doesn't have anything

1093
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,840
like I don't know that Ali ever wore it. It

1094
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,280
doesn't have an Ali autograph on it, it's not engraved Ali.

1095
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:52,800
It looks like every other WBC title belt at the time.

1096
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:56,480
So for me, when I saw that, I wrote about it.

1097
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,320
At the time, I'm thinking I had that kind of

1098
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,800
money to spend on boxing memorabilia, and you know how

1099
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,679
much of a fucking fanatic I am, There'd be a

1100
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,440
million things I would choose to purchase or to go

1101
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,400
after before I would look at that particular belt. If

1102
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,559
you said to me, Rafael, you can buy that Alley

1103
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:16,039
title belt, uh that was retroactive to the to the

1104
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:18,679
Rumble in the Jungle for what six million.

1105
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,039
Speaker 3: And change six million dollars?

1106
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: Or you can have his Thriller in Manila fight Warren

1107
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,159
trunks that are autographed for one point two million. Puh,

1108
00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:28,400
it's not even a contest, right, you buy the one

1109
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:29,960
point two million dollars they love.

1110
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,039
Speaker 3: You know what, we always say, it's not what you're

1111
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:37,960
willing to charge, get what somebody's willing to pay for Sure.

1112
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:41,719
That's crazy though, that the title belt would be worth

1113
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,360
that much more. That, as you said, is not like

1114
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:50,119
a prestigious you know, one of one. His likeness on it,

1115
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:52,920
his autograph versus the trunks he wore in the Thrill

1116
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:53,400
of Manila.

1117
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: Why and there's two of those belts were created?

1118
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,199
Speaker 3: Not just interesting and and we do not know if

1119
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,679
Ersay is the buyer just while we're saying this of

1120
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,639
the Thriller trucks because we know we don't know, we

1121
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:04,719
don't know who the buyer was.

1122
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: Correct, they did not reveal the buyer. Interesting. Maybe it

1123
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,000
will surface at some point, but that's an interesting question.

1124
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 3: You would think if erse got it, that we would

1125
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,440
publicize it by now. He would have publicized it, because

1126
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,519
he did publicize about the robe and the belt.

1127
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,519
Speaker 1: See her says collection is amazing because not only does

1128
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:24,800
he have kind of amazing boxing memorability that he's purchased

1129
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,719
over the years. Obviously he's a very wealthy guy owning

1130
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:31,000
the the Football Colts, but he's also bought he's also

1131
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:33,800
in uh, he's bought a lot of amazing rock and

1132
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:34,679
roll member build.

1133
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 3: Yes, different guitars, drums, set, all kinds of stuff, crazy

1134
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,960
stuff all right, nostalgia on top of nostalgia. To finish

1135
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,960
it up, so as we do the pod Thursday night

1136
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:50,039
into Friday. It was February thirteenth, nineteen ninety nine when

1137
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:54,079
Oscar dale Hoya fought i Quarte and retained the WBC

1138
00:55:54,719 --> 00:56:01,039
Welterweight championship and a huge rally by dale Hoya late

1139
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:04,440
in the fight that was held in Las Vegas. Let's reminisce.

1140
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:06,800
Shall we We've talked a lot about the Golden Boy

1141
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:11,320
recently and this is now twenty six years ago. February thirteenth,

1142
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,960
nineteen ninety nine. Dala Hoya, i Quarte Dann R. Phiel.

1143
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a big deal pay per view fight

1144
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:20,000
at the time. Oscar a lot of people thought he

1145
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:22,880
didn't deserve the victory when he fought Pearnel Whitaker and

1146
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,159
won this title and Pronel obviously was the pound for

1147
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,719
pound guy and you know, praised by everybody, and they

1148
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:34,199
thought Oscar got a gift and they wanted to see

1149
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,639
him in like a much bigger now I shouldn't say

1150
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:41,719
a bigger fight, but a fight that was considered more dangerous,

1151
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,199
if that makes sense. Like he had beaten Whittaker, but

1152
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,159
after Whittaker he fought the Canal fight, which is a blowout.

1153
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,960
He thought Hector Camacho was a great name but was

1154
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,199
past his prime. In Oscar want to shut out. He

1155
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,159
wasn't really given much of a chance to win. He

1156
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,760
beat Rolfredo River, who was a good contender, but certainly

1157
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,159
not on the same level of Oscar. Then he thought

1158
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:03,079
a mandatory named Patrick Scharpentier, you know who he destroyed.

1159
00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:05,960
You know he was joked around, He's the French pastry.

1160
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,280
It was ridiculous, incredibly ridiculous mismatch. Then he gave chav

1161
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,400
As a rematch at a heavier weight, made him quit again.

1162
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,039
It was more definitive than the first fight because there

1163
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:19,000
was no thing about the cut but the weight and

1164
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,119
Chavas being that much older. So Oscar went through a

1165
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:25,760
bunch of defenses after beat Whittaker, which were understandable, but

1166
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:28,440
they weren't at the level of the competition where there

1167
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,559
was a true you know that the other guys can

1168
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:33,079
actually win the fight, you know what I mean. So

1169
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,960
Quarte was there prowling around the division. He's thirty four

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00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,440
to zero to one. He was the WBA champion, and

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he was considered extremely dangerous, incredible jab and that became

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00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,679
like a big deal fight and they made the match

1173
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:51,079
for pay per view. Now, Quarte had vacated the w

1174
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:56,039
WBA belt because of political reasons and mandatories and nonsense.

1175
00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:59,039
So by all rights, Oscar versus Quarte should have been

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00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,119
a welter way unification fight. It turned out it wasn't.

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00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:04,760
It was only for Oscar's WBC tittle. But Ike was

1178
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,760
an extremely dangerous opponent. He was, like I said, thirty

1179
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,199
four to zero to one. And this was a big

1180
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,559
deal at the time, and they met outo HBO pay

1181
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:15,400
per view. They fought at the Thomas and Mack Center

1182
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,440
in Las Vegas, and it was a memorable fight for

1183
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,079
a lot of the reasons. There was lots of down

1184
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:22,800
parts in the fight where it wasn't all that interesting,

1185
00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:26,480
but when it was interesting, it was unforgettable. So Oscar

1186
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,880
gets dropped in the sixth round and Quarte gets dropped

1187
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,039
in the sixth round, and they're trading knockdowns, and Oscar

1188
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:36,039
had been criticized later in his career and other times

1189
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:39,239
in his career for kind of laying back. Look, he

1190
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,719
took a tremendous amount of flak for coasting against Felix Trinidad,

1191
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,400
which obviously cost him the fight, the biggest fight of

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00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,360
his career at that time. This was before that, which

1193
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,639
is why people are so surprised that he let Trinidad

1194
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,679
just coast, or that he coasted against Tito, because when

1195
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,599
the fight was super close against Quarte, he went out

1196
00:58:57,639 --> 00:58:59,440
there in round twelve and produced one of the most

1197
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,599
a memorable moments of his entire career where he had

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00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,280
Quarte on the ropes and was about to stop and

1199
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,760
Mitch Halpern, the Latet Mit chopper, who was a great

1200
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:11,519
referee at the time, let it go, and that fight

1201
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:13,280
probably would have been stopped by a lot of refs.

1202
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,639
He had Quarte out on his feet, and the famous

1203
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:18,440
call from Jim Lampley on the broadcast, it's like Leonard

1204
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,000
Hearns all over again, and he made reference to Tommy

1205
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:24,519
Hearns draped on the ropes in the fourteenth round and

1206
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:27,320
Leonard t and off and ultimately Leonard got the knockout

1207
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,320
and Lampley screaming, you know if Halpern stops the fight,

1208
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,079
it's like Leonard Hearns all over again. Halpern didn't stop

1209
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:37,000
the fight. Quarte survived, but Oscar had dropped Quartey in

1210
00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:40,199
round twelve and produced that massive onslaught and he ended

1211
00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:43,400
up pulling the fight out. And it was a tremendous battle. Now,

1212
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:46,079
it wasn't without controversy because there were some that thought

1213
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:50,199
that Quarte, even with that massive twelfth round onslaught from Oscar,

1214
00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:52,159
should have won the fight. Harold Letterman, the late Great

1215
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:56,199
HBO unofficial judge actually had I Quarte winning that fight

1216
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:00,000
one fourteen to one thirteen, but the official judges they disagree.

1217
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:03,519
It was one sixteen one to twelve, one sixteen one

1218
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:05,840
to thirteen in favor of Oscar, and one of the

1219
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,559
judges had it won fifteen one to fourteen in favor

1220
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:11,320
of Quarte. I always thought Oscar definitely eat that fight out.

1221
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:13,920
He retained the title for the sixth time. And it

1222
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:16,599
was really a very very big win for Oscar at

1223
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:19,320
that point, and uh it just made his start him

1224
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,320
that much greater. It was a big deal pay per view,

1225
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:24,079
a tremendous battle, and when you look back and you

1226
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:26,840
go through all the great wins on Oscar's record, Quarte

1227
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,719
has to be considered one of the finest wins of

1228
01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:29,760
his career, no doubt.

1229
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 3: And we've been over that list and again Oscar's birthday recently.

1230
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,400
I mean, we can do these nostalgia things. We can

1231
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,719
just like pick a month and pick a fight, because

1232
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:40,320
I fought so many of those guys, go back and

1233
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:45,840
relive this one, especially for the twelfth round. There is

1234
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,119
no doubt. I just thought of this because we've got

1235
01:00:48,159 --> 01:00:52,000
to go here in a second. If Muhammad Ali's trunks

1236
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:54,559
from the Thrill in Manila is one point two million,

1237
01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:00,119
what would your speculation be that Buster Douglas's trunks or

1238
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:04,599
his gloves would be from that upset of Mike Tyson

1239
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:06,840
thirty five years ago earlier this week? What would you're

1240
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,079
educated I'm being serious now, which what do you think

1241
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:14,199
would be reasonable to expect in return, because you talk

1242
01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:17,360
about one of one out of nowhere that the fight

1243
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,199
worn gloves or the trunks from that night. Speculate real

1244
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:20,679
quick with me.

1245
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I'm not even sure if they've

1246
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,880
ever actually been sold, or a Buster still has where

1247
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,800
they are located, or who hasn't. But if they were

1248
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,199
on the market, I don't think they would produce the

1249
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,519
kind of numbers of the Ali fight because Ali is

1250
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:35,719
iconic and Buster Douglas, while obviously very famous, that was

1251
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:37,679
a one hit, one year kind of situation. He doesn't

1252
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:41,599
have that level of fans and adoring public around the

1253
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:44,960
world that would perhaps be interested to purchase that piece

1254
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,840
of memorabilia. But that would go for a substantial amount

1255
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,599
of money. It's one of the most famous fights in

1256
01:01:48,639 --> 01:01:50,960
boxing history, and he was the winner and what is

1257
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,360
considered the greatest upset in boxing history, toppling Iron Mike Tyson.

1258
01:01:54,679 --> 01:01:56,920
I would say, actually, in some ways, if it was

1259
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,920
Mike Tyson's fight, used material from that fight and might

1260
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,559
actually go for more than Busters because of Tyson is

1261
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:05,159
the only fighter that's even in the same conversation in

1262
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:07,960
terms of the fame and uh and the notoriety as

1263
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,320
on Muhammad Ali. Uh. But that's an interesting question again.

1264
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,639
You know me, you know I'd be wearing the trunks.

1265
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,159
Speaker 3: You know this world better than I do. But I'm

1266
01:02:18,239 --> 01:02:20,559
just thinking, if Ali's trunks from the Thrill of Manila

1267
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:22,880
is worth a million, his Busters trunks from the Tyson

1268
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:23,920
fight not worth a million.

1269
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: One of one worth a lot.

1270
01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I know, I don't have

1271
01:02:29,039 --> 01:02:30,639
it to pay for that. I don't roll like you

1272
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:32,599
in the Rayfield Collection. By the way, do you want

1273
01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:34,079
to brag to the audience? We got to go here

1274
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:36,000
in a second. But you're on You're on cold medication,

1275
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:38,480
you're hyped up. You want to brag about the program

1276
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,400
that you're in receipt of that you've been looking for

1277
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,079
for how long? Oh love, finally got your hands on

1278
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:50,000
Salvador Sanchez, the late Salvador Sanchez is final fight program,

1279
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:51,800
mister collector, mister Rayfield Collection.

1280
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, against a Zuma Nelson. I actually I put the

1281
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,119
picture of it, wrote a little sex about it in

1282
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:59,320
the notebook that I put out yesterday, which was on

1283
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,800
what on U on Wednesday? Yeah, and uh no, I've

1284
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,280
looked for that program for a long time.

1285
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 3: How many years?

1286
01:03:06,239 --> 01:03:08,719
Speaker 1: Several? Right, twenty?

1287
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:09,559
Speaker 3: You've been looking for it?

1288
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: Wow?

1289
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,639
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen it around, but it's you can't

1290
01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:14,880
find it in nice shape or the uh you know,

1291
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,599
I've seen a couple two or three. But a boxing

1292
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:19,039
friend of mine who I've known for many years, so

1293
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:21,000
I've traded a lot of material with over the years,

1294
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:24,239
had one was willing to give it up and gave

1295
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,400
it up, so it was a trade. So I didn't

1296
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:27,599
even have to spend a ton of money on it.

1297
01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 3: Way allowed to talk about what you traded for it.

1298
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:33,599
Speaker 1: That is that that part is still that's confidential. That's

1299
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:36,320
not confidential. It's just the the exact things are not

1300
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:37,639
yet worked out.

1301
01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 3: But I will tell the audience because this is a

1302
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,760
video show. You held it up and it's in pristine condition.

1303
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:47,960
Going into a collection from like forty five years ago,

1304
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:49,400
it's not forty three years ago.

1305
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: It's nice, it's not perfect, it's not I wouldn't say

1306
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,440
it's mint, but from what I've seen over the years,

1307
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:56,559
it's pretty sharp. You got a couple of small issues.

1308
01:03:56,599 --> 01:03:58,039
But at this stage of the game.

1309
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,679
Speaker 3: If I'm not trying to undo your d if you

1310
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,519
had to pay for a program like that, my guess

1311
01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:07,199
would be, I'm just guessing. If that's like a fifty

1312
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,880
thousand dollars program, is that a twenty five thousand.

1313
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:13,599
Speaker 1: Dollars you know, it's it's very clear you know nothing

1314
01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:16,559
about the memorabilia side of things. In reality, it's probably

1315
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:18,599
about a five hundred dollars program. But it's hard to fight.

1316
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, really, so I would be hard to Oucker. I

1317
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,760
would have been a sucker. I would have thought it's

1318
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,639
because it's so rare and hard to find. It would

1319
01:04:24,639 --> 01:04:25,320
be much more than that.

1320
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, but even I'll give you an example,

1321
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:28,920
like I have a beautiful copy of a program from

1322
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,400
Ali Fraser one. Okay, one of the most famous fights

1323
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,719
of all. All right, that's if you can again, these

1324
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,639
are hard to fight, especially nice shape in in top

1325
01:04:37,719 --> 01:04:41,159
top condition. That's maybe like a thousand dollars program.

1326
01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:45,679
Speaker 3: Wow, So the program, the program price point is not

1327
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:50,199
the same obviously, if you're talking about trunks, gloves something.

1328
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: Not even close. Those are fight war and those.

1329
01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:55,639
Speaker 3: Are one of one from the fight, not the program.

1330
01:04:55,639 --> 01:04:57,519
Speaker 1: I understand. Yeah, but there, but that's no. I mean

1331
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:00,320
for in the in the program world, that's that's a

1332
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,400
good amount. Now you want to program from like the

1333
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,760
Rumble in the Jungle, that'll cost you probably three four

1334
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,119
grand if you can find the right one interesting maybe more,

1335
01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:09,400
maybe five, depending on it is.

1336
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 3: He would know. He would know from the Rayfield collection.

1337
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,719
In the collection though, and you're super hyped up on

1338
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,800
cold medication. As I keep saying, I love that about you.

1339
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,559
Great stuff on the preview mode Dmitri b Bol as well.

1340
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:26,480
Why don't we reconvene and talk Keyshawn Davis handicapping of

1341
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:29,800
his world title fight as well as Catterall and Arnold

1342
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,639
Barbosa and the Golden Boy fight with Oscar dear Watta

1343
01:05:32,679 --> 01:05:34,440
in the main event one Eastern time on the bet

1344
01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:37,679
Us Boxing Show. Will reconvene there and then whatever happens

1345
01:05:37,719 --> 01:05:40,639
this weekend stay on the pod feed recap pod coming

1346
01:05:40,679 --> 01:05:43,559
off the weekend as well. Other than that, I think

1347
01:05:43,559 --> 01:05:45,719
we're good, my friend. Thank you, Dan Rayfield.

1348
01:05:45,719 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: We'll give it. I'm gonna go take some more medicine.

1349
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 3: No more medicine and rest for you. For us, we

1350
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,639
get ready for the weekend again, the Keyshaw Davis main

1351
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:57,440
event Friday Night Friday Night ESPN Top Rank main event.

1352
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,199
For now we're good is the Big Fight week can

1353
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,320
preview pod for Dan Rayfield on t J Reeves. Enjoy

1354
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:03,800
the fights.