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Speaker 1: I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Sean de Weird, I'm Matt Jones,
Speaker 1: and I'm justin leme Man. It's good to see everybody.
Speaker 1: It's been a while, so we've been able to just
Speaker 1: all get together, you know, Memorial Day and.
Speaker 2: Jobs and the end of the school year, graduations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, stress to kill an elephant. We've all been busy, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I know it is. I know it is,
Speaker 1: and a lot's been happening with each one of us.
Speaker 1: Have been doing different things.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: Matt's good to see you. You've been focused on some
Speaker 1: things and now you're working. You're working on your home lab, right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when I was going through my my unemployment phase,
Speaker 3: fun employment, fun employment, I was like, Okay, we'll try
Speaker 3: putting the home lab back together. And I tried kind
Speaker 3: of a couple of different ways, but the iteration I've
Speaker 3: settled on. I haven't pushed anything to my home lab yet.
Speaker 3: I've got three machines, one as a ton of storage
Speaker 3: in it and the other two are just you know,
Speaker 3: beef your workstation machines. But I've been doing a ton
Speaker 3: of coding for it. Actually, I decided this time, instead
Speaker 3: of trying to touch and do everything, I'm playing with
Speaker 3: Terraform and a sable. So I've been building a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of Terraform scripts and playbooks, getting antsible set up,
Speaker 3: putting in all the variables and the instructions. I haven't
Speaker 3: hit go yet, but ideally when this is done, I'll
Speaker 3: have everything uploaded get labs so I can share it.
Speaker 3: But ideally, when I have everything coded the way I want,
Speaker 3: I'm able to just hit go and it will deploy
Speaker 3: it to all three of these machines for the setup
Speaker 3: that I want, and then if I want to make
Speaker 3: changes or add stuff in the future, I just add
Speaker 3: additional files and playbooks to it. It's been a really
Speaker 3: good learning experience. I've only wanted to throw my laptop
Speaker 3: at the wall twice, which is a marked improvement from
Speaker 3: last time, where I said something in chat GPT came
Speaker 3: back with okay, I understand, while I might be in AI,
Speaker 3: remember Matt, words can hurt.
Speaker 1: No, it didn't, did it? Really?
Speaker 3: I wiped out the entirety of my AI goodwill in
Speaker 3: a five minute, rage fueled type fest. And at that
Speaker 3: point my wife was like, maybe we should try this
Speaker 3: a different way.
Speaker 1: You're going to be the first to go when the
Speaker 1: II takes over. Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 3: I don't want to stick around for the terminator saga.
Speaker 3: Just take me out in the front.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of interesting because we think about this.
Speaker 1: There was a study not long ago about parents that
Speaker 1: are trying to teach their kids to be more polite
Speaker 1: to AI say please, say thank you, and all of that,
Speaker 1: and they're working on that to get their kids to be,
Speaker 1: you know, more respectful. And you know, I had people
Speaker 1: I've talked to you who said, oh, yeah, my AI
Speaker 1: is a buddy. They think it's their buddy. They feel
Speaker 1: like they're having a conversation with it, and it's you know, saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you're doing a great job. I love what you're doing.
Speaker 1: And they've told me that, yeah, if you kind of
Speaker 1: feel like my AI is my buddy.
Speaker 3: Which is funny because Sam Altman, founder of Open AI,
Speaker 3: he was in an interview i want to say, like
Speaker 3: a month or two ago and he actually told people
Speaker 3: stop saying please and thank you to the AI. It
Speaker 3: cat like pleases and thank yous are costing millions of
Speaker 3: dollars every single time.
Speaker 1: It is an AI.
Speaker 3: You do not need to be polite to it, my
Speaker 3: brother in technology, have you watched any dystopian movie?
Speaker 1: Any of them? Ye yea.
Speaker 3: I do not need my rumba becoming sentient and being like, hey,
Speaker 3: you remember that time you kicked me out of the way.
Speaker 1: I do, and thus that's why falling down those stairs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've armed myself with little razor blades.
Speaker 3: We actually named our room our room but Dobby because
Speaker 3: you always get like the alerts, and when we named
Speaker 3: it that you get the alerts.
Speaker 1: It's like Dobby has stuck on a cut and Dobby
Speaker 1: has fallen down the stairs, and I'm like, Dobby's an idiot.
Speaker 1: We've seen AI develop and I know we've talked about Groc,
Speaker 1: which Justin has been using, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're still liking it. A lot can change in a month.
Speaker 1: In one month, you could go from loving and AI
Speaker 1: loving a software and then you can hate it, Like
Speaker 1: the month later, are you still using GROC? I still
Speaker 1: love it? You know, I mean I bounce back and
Speaker 1: forth between other ones chat GPT and you know, actually
Speaker 1: it's funny that you mentioned you know how you love
Speaker 1: it one day and don't. Yeah, you know, chat Gypt.
Speaker 1: For me, it feels like chatchy BT got rolled back
Speaker 1: uh a previous a much much much earlier previous iteration
Speaker 1: because it's does not give it anywhere near the answers
Speaker 1: it used to. And that's I mean, that's saying a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, open Ai is supposedly the biggest one out there,
Speaker 1: but you know when I go to when I go
Speaker 1: to GROC and I ask it something, and I love
Speaker 1: the fact that GROC does not have any limits on
Speaker 1: its knowledge base right Like I could literally just say
Speaker 1: what's the temperature in Tokyo right now? And it will
Speaker 1: tell me the temperature in Tokyo, like it's real time data. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, whereas chat ubt's like, well, you know, Mike
Speaker 1: cut off is September of twenty twenty four, Does it
Speaker 1: really do that? I haven't had to do that to
Speaker 1: me yet, you know, It's it's ridiculous. And then even
Speaker 1: if you ask it something like what historical battle took
Speaker 1: place in World War two at this place, I don't
Speaker 1: know the ms you do that and I can't give
Speaker 1: you that, amswer. What would you consider when it comes
Speaker 1: to not being very knowledgeable to being probably one of
Speaker 1: the lowest when it comes to AI, because I mean
Speaker 1: Amazon is now pushing this smarter Alexa so rufus. Yeah
Speaker 1: if you if you want to use that, you can't.
Speaker 1: As far as shopping has been terrible, I mean, Amazon
Speaker 1: is way too late to the party. First off, they're
Speaker 1: they're they're their AI is gonna is gonna Apple Intelligence.
Speaker 1: Apple Intelligence is gonna fail. It's gonna ruin Apple. I mean,
Speaker 1: thank god, finally something's gonna ruin And this is this
Speaker 1: is what just a few days ahead of their their
Speaker 1: Worldwide Developer conference. That's gonna be their big thing, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course it has been their big thing for the
Speaker 1: past four years.
Speaker 2: They've done nothing. They've done nothing with it. Yes, And
Speaker 2: it was like hey, appletal just came out. It was
Speaker 2: they said, Hey, it's gonna be They touted it like
Speaker 2: it's gonna be just like Chat, GPT, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: able to do all these these They rolled it out
Speaker 2: with ioas eighteen. It stunk. I tried it for like
Speaker 2: a day and then immediately turned it down. It's just off.
Speaker 2: It's just not even on my phone anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Microsoft co pilot sucks. Uh, Meta, I avoid
Speaker 1: co Pilot. I don't know why. I just want to
Speaker 1: avoid it.
Speaker 2: Everybody they keep trying, they keep trying to jam it
Speaker 2: down your throat though, Yeah, just like just try to
Speaker 2: jam it in.
Speaker 1: I never thought of that. It's just you're right, it's
Speaker 1: just like Clippy. Remember when you tried to use Office,
Speaker 1: Clippy was always there, And that's kind of like what
Speaker 1: looks like you're trying to make an Excel spreadsheet? Would
Speaker 1: you like help no.
Speaker 2: Or get away? Or like the puppy in Windows XP.
Speaker 1: I remember that one. There was a down. Look, we've
Speaker 1: got three major players in the A industry, all right,
Speaker 1: We've got chatch BT open Ai, we got x Aies Grock,
Speaker 1: and we got uh the Claude Okay the company that
Speaker 1: may makes Claude. Isn't it anthropic? Yeah yeah, drop yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Those are the three major ones. Everybody else, even the
Speaker 1: major tech players Meta, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, they're all they're
Speaker 1: all losing like big time.
Speaker 2: But here's what.
Speaker 1: Here's what. Here's an example of something that I did
Speaker 1: with Grock. I I recently went to it and I
Speaker 1: asked it as quite now, I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: into the details. It's more of a personal situation. But
Speaker 1: I asked it a question about my cat, Oh okay,
Speaker 1: and it referenced something and says, well, based on what
Speaker 1: you told me about seven months ago, it sounds like
Speaker 1: your cat might have you know, this issue or whatever. Wow,
Speaker 1: and it it's it's learning from me and it knows
Speaker 1: my previous conversations with it, whereas open ai you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: remember I talked to you on my cat? It has
Speaker 1: blah blah and it's like, wait, what cat? I don't
Speaker 1: understand what are you talking about? Like x Xai's grock
Speaker 1: is by far my favorite and it is the best
Speaker 1: AI out there.
Speaker 3: Open Ai just recently made a change exactly regarding what
Speaker 3: Justin is talking about. The memories were tied to each
Speaker 3: individual thread, so if you wanted to like have a project,
Speaker 3: you had to put everything in that one project for
Speaker 3: its reference.
Speaker 1: It all there. They just made memories global to your account.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, so now it will start remembering everything. The
Speaker 3: one I've got beef with is Gemini Google Google gems.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I forgot about Gemini.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I used to love the Google Assistant on
Speaker 3: my phone. I still was, and I got forced over
Speaker 3: to Gemini and the other day I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: set a one hour timer. It used to be all
Speaker 3: I had to do all my phone was you know,
Speaker 3: say the trigger phrase, which I'm not because it's right
Speaker 3: here and now yell at me. And I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: so one set a one hour timer. Comes back a
Speaker 3: few seconds later.
Speaker 1: I found a website where you can set timers to
Speaker 1: remind you, no, you tard, You've got it in the system.
Speaker 1: Just I just and it does it.
Speaker 3: And then I thought it was like maybe it was
Speaker 3: a goof, And I was like, okay, set a one
Speaker 3: hour timer. And it was like again, I found a
Speaker 3: great website. And I was like, I am too angry today.
Speaker 1: There's a setting pulling this. There's a setting in your
Speaker 1: phone that you need to turn off that tells it
Speaker 1: to search Gemini or search the web. First. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you give it a command Rufus, it gets go back
Speaker 1: to Rufus Rufus. And I decided to give it a
Speaker 1: shot because been purchasing stuff to use for different projects
Speaker 1: I was doing, and I would ask rufus and every
Speaker 1: answer was like it knew nothing. It gave me no information,
Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, well it's maybe I'm trying to
Speaker 1: help it's learning, But it didn't seem like it was
Speaker 1: learning at all. So yeah, no, I'm not a fan
Speaker 1: of rufus. Like you said, Amazon is late to the
Speaker 1: game on this one. Do we really need it? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm getting sick of the point. Just recently, Lee van Cleef,
Speaker 1: do you guys remember Lee van Cleeff. Lee van Cleef
Speaker 1: was an actor. He worked with Clint Eastwood, who's still
Speaker 1: with us. It just recently celebrated and he had that
Speaker 1: this real you know, tough looking faces something that good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know which one he was.
Speaker 2: He died three years after I was born.
Speaker 1: Yes, somebody posted a photo of him, so Sean probably
Speaker 1: does not remember him. Sean, you need to watch some
Speaker 1: of the Good the Bad, the Italian Westerns. They called
Speaker 1: him spaghetti Westerns, which were great. But somebody posted a
Speaker 1: photo of him the other day on Facebook celebrating his
Speaker 1: one hundred and first birthday, holding a birthday cake. I thought, damn,
Speaker 1: and then I realized, wait a minute, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: and people started saying it he died back like you
Speaker 1: said Sean, you know in eight December sixteenth, Get there,
Speaker 1: I was getting the people are posting a photo of
Speaker 1: him supposedly at one hundred and one. The photo looks
Speaker 1: somewhat realistic, but it still has that uncanny valley. But
Speaker 1: the fact is people will just look at it and assume, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's real. People need to stop using AI for everything now.
Speaker 1: Not only that, but Matt mentioned Gemini. Gemini has now
Speaker 1: has got this new Viva vo Vo three or Vivo
Speaker 1: three or whatever it is. It's the video generation one.
Speaker 1: Did you see the post on Reddit about how churches
Speaker 1: are now using the video stuff to appeal to a
Speaker 1: younger audience, And it's literally a I uh a video
Speaker 1: of like, for instance, one example Moses splitting the seas
Speaker 1: and he's walking around doing a selfie and he's like no, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Right here? Oh man, we're acrossing
Speaker 1: the desert right now. And then there's another one with
Speaker 1: Jesus on the cross. He's like, yo, your gen he
Speaker 1: is about to be b r b oh or like
Speaker 1: David is like, yeah, it's your boy, David. Right here.
Speaker 1: I'm about to go fight Goliath. Yeah, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: this guy. And they're using AI video to do this
Speaker 1: to hope to reach a younger audience. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: mean it's telling these you know, these biblical stories if
Speaker 1: you will. But it's that's just one example of it.
Speaker 1: There's there's so many of these videos out there that
Speaker 1: are being generated by AI and people are thinking this
Speaker 1: is yeah and it's not real. But the thing is
Speaker 1: is it's not just a video. The characters in the
Speaker 1: video are speaking. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, you can't tell
Speaker 1: the difference. And that's a I generate. It's not a
Speaker 1: voice actor. It's it's all everything. Everything is generated by
Speaker 1: a you know. And now I've seen I've seen some
Speaker 1: of the videos that have been posted that are feel
Speaker 1: good videos with Jesus and kids and pets, and those
Speaker 1: are like, Okay, I understand.
Speaker 2: It is a I.
Speaker 1: But when they're trying to do this whole like they're
Speaker 1: today talking in today's terms or listening to today's music, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, guys, you're pushing it a little too far. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this this you gotta go out and read it and
Speaker 1: look up, like, uh, I'll have to see if I
Speaker 1: can find it. But like church, AI church, whatever, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy. I saw it earlier on Reddit and
Speaker 1: I was like, watch it and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is what we're getting into now. Yeah, oh boy,
Speaker 1: AI is so the worst. I think we all agree
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be. Is it gonna be Apple? Is
Speaker 1: that gonna be the worst one?
Speaker 2: Do you think?
Speaker 1: Or is it the Alexa? You know?
Speaker 3: I think Rufus and Apple Intelligence are currently they're both
Speaker 3: currently racing to mediocrity. I mean honestly they Apple Intelligence
Speaker 3: is so behind the curve on it, and Rufus is
Speaker 3: kind of the same way, like they rested on their laurels.
Speaker 1: They were like, we did Alexa. We did it first, dude.
Speaker 1: Apple is literally going to do what Apple does. They're
Speaker 1: gonna wait for the biggest one to come out. They're
Speaker 1: gonna copy it and they're gonna add emojis to it
Speaker 1: and say, look at what we did, we made it
Speaker 1: so much better. iOS twenty six for iPhone they say
Speaker 1: next week, which is weird because I thought I just
Speaker 1: updated to eighteen point five is what I have online.
Speaker 1: So they're doing it now based on the year, kind
Speaker 1: of like Microsoft did with you know, Windows ninety five,
Speaker 1: Windows ninety eight. They're now jumping in. Honestly, I think
Speaker 1: it's just a way because there's just like people are
Speaker 1: gonna sit there and go, wait, iOS eighteen means it
Speaker 1: came out in eighteen eighteen eighty. Yeah. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: that's last.
Speaker 2: Way into the Denopers conference to an idea of maybe
Speaker 2: you can hint at why they're changing the name structure.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be doing it on Monday, this coming Monday
Speaker 1: for those that are tuning in on this Saturday. Uh.
Speaker 1: And they say there and they do this every year
Speaker 1: every time they put out an update. They're saying it's
Speaker 1: the biggest ever software rebranding. One thing they're promising no
Speaker 1: longer battery life gonna be one of the key features,
Speaker 1: which I don't know. Also, they're just not going to
Speaker 1: lock down the batteries anymore.
Speaker 3: Right on the biggest change ever since last year. If
Speaker 3: they say it every single.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. I can't wait till Apple just fails
Speaker 1: as a company. I just don't want to fail, No
Speaker 1: I do. They're just complete trash. Everything they do is true. Man,
Speaker 1: you're being harsh.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I dude, come on, you know
Speaker 2: me for how many years?
Speaker 1: I know? But I gotta say. I have an iPhone still,
Speaker 1: it's not my main phone. I I went ahead and
Speaker 1: I went to Android after for you justin you were
Speaker 1: talking about it being so good, and I do like
Speaker 1: the experience. I miss some of the Apple features a bit.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out well Belkan and that
Speaker 1: tracking device that they have will not work for the
Speaker 1: the Android device. There is another device that does work
Speaker 1: that I want to get my hands on. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I've been happy with it. I've been a
Speaker 1: long time user of that. But yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: them to fail. But it's like, come on, guys, step up.
Speaker 3: You know they they have not done anything since Steve
Speaker 3: Jobs died and they never will. No, I was it
Speaker 3: was twofold Steve Jobs died, Johnny Ives left. Well, that
Speaker 3: was the final nail in the coffin right there. You
Speaker 3: heard about that, right, Sean.
Speaker 2: I'm just riding along, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sean's and Apple user too, So.
Speaker 2: I'll be agnostic tech user, like I could go one way,
Speaker 2: or they're like, I'm not beholden to Apple.
Speaker 1: There's there's there's listeners out there who do not know
Speaker 1: who Johnny Ives is. Matt, can you please give us
Speaker 1: a thirty second rundown on who Johnny Ives is, right,
Speaker 1: where he went, and why this is a big deal
Speaker 1: for Apple.
Speaker 3: Johnny Ives and his glorious British accent was so there
Speaker 3: are Steve Jobs was the original brains of Steve Wozniak
Speaker 3: behind Apple. The point where Apple, for lack of a
Speaker 3: better term, got sexy, Like when the devices had really
Speaker 3: started having these really clean, flowing lines and it wasn't like.
Speaker 1: Let's do it in fifty different colors, that's gonna.
Speaker 2: Appeal to people.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I want to kermit with that.
Speaker 3: But when they started moving like aluminum and clean lines
Speaker 3: and the design became really important, that was all Johnny Ives.
Speaker 1: That was all him.
Speaker 3: He was like, we have the function, we are missing
Speaker 3: the form, and we need to bring the form into play.
Speaker 3: And their numbers just skyrocketed and they are still writing
Speaker 3: the majority of his design styles, like the MacBook Air,
Speaker 3: the current MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, like that when you
Speaker 3: close the lid and the lines flow around so it
Speaker 3: still looks like a unified piece of metal. That was
Speaker 3: Johnny Ives. It was all him, and when he left,
Speaker 3: that is the that is the Di Vinci of technological
Speaker 3: form design leaving the company and it's just it. It
Speaker 3: hasn't been the same sense.
Speaker 1: Why didn't they keep up with his you know, his designs.
Speaker 1: Why did they feel they had to abandon it?
Speaker 3: Well, marketing departments exist for a reason. Yeah, and you'll
Speaker 3: usually get pressure of like, ah, no, we need to.
Speaker 1: Change something like even though we're changing the guts to
Speaker 1: the standard user, it doesn't look any different, so they
Speaker 1: don't know that it's different.
Speaker 2: So he has left.
Speaker 1: I can't justin do you remember where he went? I'm
Speaker 1: having a brain far open ai really again? He went
Speaker 1: open ai to do their hardware. Uh now open ai
Speaker 1: is going to get into hardware, which Apple's like shaking
Speaker 1: in their boots.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna make a prediction right now in
Speaker 3: terms of that where you're talking about someone's they're gonna
Speaker 3: buy someone.
Speaker 1: I have a device that I did not leave in
Speaker 1: this room you're looking for it.
Speaker 3: There is a company called Rabbit, and they released a
Speaker 3: device at CEES a couple of years ago, the r one,
Speaker 3: And it's like a little bit bigger than a DECA
Speaker 3: cards and it has an AI assistant inside of it. Now,
Speaker 3: a lot of people were like, why don't you do
Speaker 3: this as an app? And they were like, well, we
Speaker 3: didn't want to do an app, like we wanted this
Speaker 3: to be where you can just have your AI buddy
Speaker 3: in the palm of your hand. It's got a tiny
Speaker 3: little touchscreen, a scroll wheel, a click button, and a
Speaker 3: camera that is it for input. And they instead of
Speaker 3: doing a large language model, rabbit os runs off the
Speaker 3: large action model, so it learns instead of like how
Speaker 3: you're phrasing things, it learns how you do things, how
Speaker 3: you want tasks to be completed. And they have a
Speaker 3: website that you can log into the rabbit Hole. You
Speaker 3: can see where they really leaned into the branding here.
Speaker 3: And the rabbit Hole is kind of like the repository
Speaker 3: of your memories and things that you've asked and you
Speaker 3: can access it on your computer. And they recently release
Speaker 3: the rabbit intern and the rabbit intern is an AI
Speaker 3: assisting tool where it can be like, hey, I want
Speaker 3: to code a website. There are other tools. Replet is
Speaker 3: one that comes to mind where you can be like,
Speaker 3: I want this project and it will build front and
Speaker 3: back end the whole thing for you and then be like,
Speaker 3: go make your tweaks and you can publish it. I
Speaker 3: would bet solid money that at some point, when Rabbit
Speaker 3: fully starts to get off the ground, Apple will swoop.
Speaker 1: In and buy them. Wow. Yeah, we've seen that happen
Speaker 1: before too. We've seen that. Siri was originally an app.
Speaker 1: I remember downloading it and being like, oh, this is dope.
Speaker 1: And it was. It was really ahead of its time.
Speaker 1: And then Apple bought it and it went to crap.
Speaker 3: Apple bought it and it was neutered within two months
Speaker 3: because it disappeared off my phone. They were like, due
Speaker 3: to contractual obligations, we can no longer offer this app.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, all right, who bought it?
Speaker 1: And then boom, Apple's like introducing Siri.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you didn't make anything. Once again, this is
Speaker 3: what Apple does. You're like the Yankees. You didn't nurture talent,
Speaker 3: you just bought it. Well, I'm sorry, I think you
Speaker 3: made the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: No, I mean the Yankees.
Speaker 3: I definitely meant the Yankees. The Dodgers actually puts money
Speaker 3: into their farm team. The Yankees are like, yeah, you're
Speaker 3: gonna absolutely play for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, how much did that guy want? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: just give it to him, it's fine, perfect, all right,
Speaker 1: we got to take a break. We come back. I
Speaker 1: want to find out Sean was involved in a project.
Speaker 1: I know that you spent you know, part of the
Speaker 1: Memorial Day doing a little cruising. Right. You send me
Speaker 1: a picture of the big RV. But now you're what
Speaker 1: you're putting solar panels on it?
Speaker 2: Well, so it came with solar when he bought it, right,
Speaker 2: it came with a two hundred watt solar panel on
Speaker 2: the roof, wired into a solar controller wired into the battery.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But it was designed for lead acid or a GM right, Right,
Speaker 2: So there's a new battery chemistry called lithium myron phosphate.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Which is the biggest benefit is the weight difference. The
Speaker 2: same capacity from a lead acid battery that weighs sixty
Speaker 2: to seventy pounds you get in a thirty to forty
Speaker 2: pound battery. Now, weight savings alone is is incredible. The
Speaker 2: density is incredible. I bought a one hundred amp hour
Speaker 2: battery compared in the same size as to a lead
Speaker 2: acid battery. I get about another day's worth of use
Speaker 2: out of it with before I have to charge it
Speaker 2: or before I have to run the generator, but I
Speaker 2: had to basically rewire my camper.
Speaker 1: All Right, we gotta take a break. We want you
Speaker 1: to tell us the rest of that when we come
Speaker 1: back with tech talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor, I'm sean
Speaker 1: to Weird, I'm Matt Jones, and I'm Justin. Let me
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Speaker 2: So before the break, we were talking a little bit
Speaker 2: about what I was doing for a camper. So I
Speaker 2: have a forest reverse no boundary nineteen point three. That's
Speaker 2: just a toe bad camper. It's a little bit more
Speaker 2: of the off grid style. Came with two hundred watts
Speaker 2: of Ghostlar Power, which is another solar company brand, and
Speaker 2: I had put in a deep cycle a g M
Speaker 2: battery like what would what would.
Speaker 1: Let me answer what that solar that came with it
Speaker 1: that power like it would just charge them.
Speaker 2: It would keep the battery topped off. So that would
Speaker 2: power the fridge in my camper's twelve vault. It would
Speaker 2: power my twelve volt to a c inverter. It would
Speaker 2: power off the twelve volt outlets, you know, the fridge,
Speaker 2: the reefer, well, the fridge, the refer the water heater,
Speaker 2: the water pump, et cetera. So basically keeping the everything
Speaker 2: I need in the camper to be boon dock.
Speaker 1: So you would keep your reefer in the fridge. Yes, sorry, moments.
Speaker 2: Not legal in India. By the way, they called the
Speaker 2: refer it's just what yea industry calls refrigerators. But the
Speaker 2: only the version of the fridge in that camper is
Speaker 2: total volt. There's no propane or it's just propane. It's
Speaker 2: just twelve volt, no propane options. So we were running
Speaker 2: into an issue where if we were running the generator
Speaker 2: and we had the fridge on and we were charging
Speaker 2: our devices, by the time it was get to four
Speaker 2: or five six in the morning before the sun came
Speaker 2: back up, we were running low. And it was the
Speaker 2: lead acid battery or the AGM battery we had was
Speaker 2: getting too low on voltage and it was causing some issues.
Speaker 2: So we upgraded to the lithium iron phosphate, which supplies
Speaker 2: the same voltage no matter you know, at the same
Speaker 2: you know for the most amount of time that it's charged.
Speaker 2: But the solar controller I had and the AC to
Speaker 2: d C converter did not support the proper charging voltage
Speaker 2: for lithium iron phosphate batteries because it requires a higher
Speaker 2: charging voltage to maintain its lifespan and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So I had to buy a new solar controller, I
Speaker 2: had to buy a new AC to DC converter and
Speaker 2: basically rewire the entire internals of my camper. Oh man,
Speaker 2: I did that Wednesday and Thursday night before we left
Speaker 2: on Friday for our hit patrol.
Speaker 1: Were you a little worried that maybe it wasn't good work? Right?
Speaker 2: I was waiting for a specific piece to come in,
Speaker 2: uh And it didn't get there until until Wednesday night,
Speaker 2: and then I got got to work, wired it in,
Speaker 2: tested some stuff, made sure it ran okay, no fires,
Speaker 2: no nothing, everything like that. But so now I have
Speaker 2: four hundred watts of solar on the roof charging this battery.
Speaker 2: Uh in, So there impair of two two hundred wat
Speaker 2: panels in parallel. It's pushing about twenty eight watts at
Speaker 2: full power. So it's it's it's charging it nicely and
Speaker 2: now we can get two to three days almost cool
Speaker 2: without having to without having at full charge using being
Speaker 2: conservative with our with our power usage, not you know,
Speaker 2: running the water pump all the time or you know
Speaker 2: those kind of things.
Speaker 1: But well, it's gotta be better to not worry about
Speaker 1: being somewhere and suddenly just not having the power this way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also while you're driving, Yeah, it's not tied
Speaker 2: into my truck, so it's not pulling twelve volts from
Speaker 2: my truck. It's just using the sun or that you know,
Speaker 2: to charge. So if you're in an occluded place like
Speaker 2: a campground, it has a lot of trees and stuff,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna get nominal draw, right, But while you're driving,
Speaker 2: or if you're just boon docking and you don't have
Speaker 2: trees or anything about it, you're gonna be just fine.
Speaker 2: So my goal is to add another one hundred amp
Speaker 2: hour battery and put that in peril also, so I
Speaker 2: have two hundred a half hours of storage total, which
Speaker 2: would probably get me about three to four days total
Speaker 2: with minimal with minimal draw. I know that my uncle
Speaker 2: has a four hundred amp hour and he gets five
Speaker 2: to six days with minimal draw. And so yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just nice because I can also take that off. He's
Speaker 2: it at home?
Speaker 1: Does you does it add a lot of load though
Speaker 1: to the trailer itself.
Speaker 2: No, Like I said, the actually reducing weight based off
Speaker 2: the battery weight, because the lead acid battery was almost
Speaker 2: sixty pounds of this shay, and these batteries are much
Speaker 2: lower lighter, So if I had a second battery, I'd
Speaker 2: probably be back up to where I was with just
Speaker 2: the one battery.
Speaker 1: Oh nice. How often are you guys going camping? Every year?
Speaker 2: We go about six or seven times a year?
Speaker 1: Nice?
Speaker 2: Sense, we've already gone. We've already gone four this year.
Speaker 2: Oh wow. Yeah, and we've got another one coming out
Speaker 2: this week, and then we're going for the fourth July,
Speaker 2: and then we're going for We're going like we're probably
Speaker 2: gonna go eight to eight or nine times. This year.
Speaker 3: We did a Memorial Day but it got cut short,
Speaker 3: and then we're going for fourth of July.
Speaker 1: For Lee's birthday.
Speaker 3: We went up to Wellington Lake and we had we
Speaker 3: were supposed to be there Monday, sorry, Friday through Monday
Speaker 3: and Saturday. I was just getting a weird feeling and
Speaker 3: got like the ghost of one bar of reception just
Speaker 3: enough to check the weather and it was like, hey,
Speaker 3: just letting you know, in about three hours it's going
Speaker 3: to start thunderstorming. And then the rest of the time
Speaker 3: we were there, here's what the weather was going to be, thunderstorm, rainstorm, snowstorm, thunderstorm, rainstorm, thunderstorm.
Speaker 3: I was like, alternatively, Wow, it's just let's just leave
Speaker 3: because the last like getting out of there is a
Speaker 3: super tight dirt switchback mountain road.
Speaker 1: That just there's on the side is just gravity. I
Speaker 1: was like, ideally, I don't want to be here when
Speaker 1: that's wet. Yeah. No, are you guys like this the
Speaker 1: road warrior portion of this, How would I, as somebody
Speaker 1: who has a wife that says she never wants to
Speaker 1: go camping, she's she likes to stay in a hotel,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, how would I convince her to
Speaker 1: try and do something like this? Is it memver just
Speaker 1: renting one or what.
Speaker 3: So this is something that my wife and I have
Speaker 3: been discussing. When we were younger, we were out doorsy.
Speaker 3: Now we are outside zy, and there is a difference
Speaker 3: like now doorsy is like I don't mind the ten
Speaker 3: I don't mind you know, sleeping the sleeping bag, Like
Speaker 3: if it gets cold, we'll deal with it, like we're
Speaker 3: gonna run. No, what you need to look up is
Speaker 3: called glamping. G L A M P I N G
Speaker 3: all right, and that is for glorious camping. And the
Speaker 3: best one that I've seen was some more here in Colorado,
Speaker 3: and instead of like renting a camp site, you rented
Speaker 3: a camp site that had a fully furnished, heated and
Speaker 3: cooled yurt.
Speaker 1: It had a shower, it had a full queen size
Speaker 1: bed in there like a yurt is. Uh. It was
Speaker 1: what I think the Mongolians used for theirs, and it
Speaker 1: was just right. Yeah, technically, thank you. I am closer
Speaker 1: to gen X than gen Z. I'm an elder millennial.
Speaker 1: Bite me, excuse me, I'm older than you, and I'm
Speaker 1: a millennial. I'm older than all of you.
Speaker 3: But no, seriously, it's glamping is kind of a new
Speaker 3: thing where like, you you get a site that's got
Speaker 3: like this really nice, fully furnished place for you to stay.
Speaker 3: It's got all the amenities. But then like there will
Speaker 3: be a lake nearby, there's camping trails, but when you're
Speaker 3: done for the day, you can go shower, you can
Speaker 3: You've got like a full kitchen in some of these,
Speaker 3: So I know the hip camp app has a lot
Speaker 3: of those, and that's one that we have.
Speaker 1: We have done before. I think that would be fun
Speaker 1: to try, at least if you want something.
Speaker 2: A little less glampy than that, you can travel and
Speaker 2: do the Kiawa cabins around the country. Oh yeah, we
Speaker 2: did those a lot growing up. When we travel out west,
Speaker 2: we would travel, we would camp, but we would stay.
Speaker 2: If we needed to stay for one night, just pull in.
Speaker 2: It's a cabin, it's got a bathroom, a shower, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, and it so kas all over the country,
Speaker 2: and the CEO of KAS and nordame grad So that's
Speaker 2: perfec Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think there's some kiowas here, even here in Arizona
Speaker 1: that have been very popular on your Grand Canyon, that
Speaker 1: kind of thing.
Speaker 2: But every national park, most of the national parks, not
Speaker 2: all of them, have these glamping options where you can
Speaker 2: pay and have these nice amenities relatively close inconvenient for
Speaker 2: you to still experience the park.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: There's also things like Cruise America where you can rent
Speaker 3: an RV for a time.
Speaker 1: That's another one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's you gotta you gotta be careful with
Speaker 2: those because they it's just like you haul. Anybody can
Speaker 2: rent one and you get a lot of you get
Speaker 2: a lot of dumb dumbs that don't know how tall
Speaker 2: an RV is.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we've seen that big. Not even that it's
Speaker 1: it's it's also like a lot like air and BnB.
Speaker 1: I've heard where they'll they'll you get hit with one
Speaker 1: fee and even though you take meticulous care of it,
Speaker 1: you turn it back, They're like, we're gonna charge you
Speaker 1: a five hundred dollars cleaning fee. WHOA, yeah, that's not good,
Speaker 1: that's not excuse excuse me, sir. We found one speck
Speaker 1: of sand inside this vehicle. Found we found a dog hair,
Speaker 1: one single dog hair. It's gonna be five hundred dollars
Speaker 1: to up. Why do you become the leader of the
Speaker 1: island of misfit toys? They're matt when you have authority? Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Because it's funny, all right, it's it's gonna be interesting
Speaker 3: the new job I got. I'm eventually gonna have four
Speaker 3: direct reports and I'm actually gonna have authority, and I'm
Speaker 3: not used to that.
Speaker 1: You've got to do it. You've got to do your
Speaker 1: reports in those voices though that's perfect me. You didn't
Speaker 1: finish the cover sheet on your TPS report. If you
Speaker 1: could just come in on Saturday. That'd be great. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, did you guys see the news Stephen Root,
Speaker 1: the guy who played Belton on Office Space that we're
Speaker 1: you know, talking about, Stephen Root is now going to
Speaker 1: be playing the father to the character Stephen Tudas plays
Speaker 1: on Resident Alien on Sci Fi, which comes back for
Speaker 1: a brand new season this week. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: such a good show. I love the show. If you've
Speaker 1: missed it Netflix, you can see the previous seasons. But
Speaker 1: Stephen Root will be playing his dad, the Alien's dad.
Speaker 1: So that's that's gonna be good. All right, here's a
Speaker 1: question we've got to listen to. Question. We got a
Speaker 1: couple of them for today, but I wanted to share
Speaker 1: this one, at least from Jerry. He said it in
Speaker 1: to high Andy. As you may know by now, I
Speaker 1: don't have my Windows ninety five and printer any longer.
Speaker 1: And you put an lol. I bought it from you
Speaker 1: and you set it up back in the mid nineties. Yes,
Speaker 1: it did your problem, Mandy, he said. So I have
Speaker 1: a question to ask, what is the real deal that
Speaker 1: would work best for my two monitors and two PCs.
Speaker 1: I'd like to only use one keyboard in one mouse.
Speaker 1: I've looked on Amazon and Dell and get no help.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be cheap and easiest to use. So
Speaker 1: he has two PCs. He wants to use, one keyboard,
Speaker 1: one mouse, AKVM switch.
Speaker 2: They still make those house and keyboard without borders.
Speaker 1: Mouse That software, isn't it what it is? Yeah? Mouse
Speaker 1: and keyboard. Have you ever heard of that? Mouse and
Speaker 1: keyboard without borders. I've not heard of that. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like a software you put on there.
Speaker 3: Also, there's also a Synergy is another app that does
Speaker 3: something similar. I had a client use that once they
Speaker 3: had their design PC and then their standard work PC,
Speaker 3: and he would just one mouse and keyboard, drag it
Speaker 3: all the way across, and you just hop over to
Speaker 3: the other side.
Speaker 1: You know. Before we continue this conversation, I just want
Speaker 1: to say this is funny because I sound like I
Speaker 1: sound like the old guy here, right. I mentioned KVM.
Speaker 1: Andy immediately says they still make those, and then Shaun's like,
Speaker 1: mouse and keyboard without borders, and then Matt's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah something else.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I guess.
Speaker 1: I'm the old guy here. Yeah, I'm wondering though, you know,
Speaker 1: it's harder because this would have to be a wired
Speaker 1: keyboard and wired mouse to work with a KVM, wouldn't
Speaker 1: it or do they do?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: You so you so the the mouse without borders is
Speaker 2: a software running out of both machines.
Speaker 1: You have.
Speaker 2: You basically puck up both computers to the two screens
Speaker 2: you want to use, and then you activate the software
Speaker 2: and then as you cross over to the edge of
Speaker 2: your screen, it just hops over. The software takes over
Speaker 2: and it moves the keyboard and the mouse and put
Speaker 2: over to the other computer.
Speaker 1: That's it's kind of cool, but it's kind of weird
Speaker 1: because I can see me doing it by accident all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: Sure, that's the cheapest I think it's free even right,
Speaker 2: But if you want a physical one, then you'll have
Speaker 2: to take the you know, you'll you'll get a box
Speaker 2: or little server, and then you have a console module
Speaker 2: and a target module. We have a big ks KVM
Speaker 2: system to work, so I have a lot of experience
Speaker 2: with this. And then you take the physical outputs, the
Speaker 2: dv I or HTM or whatever into that box, and
Speaker 2: then the output of that box goes to your monitor.
Speaker 2: And then you either have a physical selection box where
Speaker 2: you press the button and it changes, or it's a
Speaker 2: software where you can get to the edge of your
Speaker 2: screen and automatically takes over and same thing. It just
Speaker 2: moves between the two screens. So you have options. Just
Speaker 2: how much you want to pay and how much asshle
Speaker 2: do you want to.
Speaker 1: Have, whether you go Jerry Mouse without borders. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take another quick break. We come back with more of
Speaker 1: tech Talk Radio. I want to show you guys something
Speaker 1: I've been working on and I'm kind of excited about it.
Speaker 1: Do that when we come back. I'm Andy Taylor, I'm
Speaker 1: sean to Weird, I'm Matt Jones, and I'm justin. Let
Speaker 1: me send us an X at tech Talk Radio. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back and now back to tech Talk Radio.
Speaker 1: We wanted to kick off this segment talking and thinking
Speaker 1: and paying tribute to an artist no longer. With us
Speaker 1: being in radio for so long, in so many different formats,
Speaker 1: have been able to get celebrities to get us what
Speaker 1: we call drops or liners that say, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: listen to tech Talk Radio. Stephen First, who played Flounder
Speaker 1: and Animal House, he did one and when he passed away,
Speaker 1: we kind of pulled that and we really don't air
Speaker 1: it anymore. Here's stevens. Hi. This is Stephen first Flounder
Speaker 1: from Animal House and here from Babylon five, and you're
Speaker 1: listening to tech Talk Radio. And now we received the
Speaker 1: sad news of the passing of a musical legend who
Speaker 1: has done one for us as well, Rick Darringer. You know,
Speaker 1: rock and roll Huchi Kou was instrumental in producing Weird
Speaker 1: Al Yankovic's first albums. So we paying respect to Rick
Speaker 1: Deringer with the drop that he gave us. Hi, I'm
Speaker 1: Rick Derringer, rock and roll hu Chi Ku, and you're
Speaker 1: listening to tech Talk Radio. And with that we thank
Speaker 1: Rick Derringer for the memory and we take it back
Speaker 1: to tech Talk Radio. So earlier in this Justin with.
Speaker 3: Harry Potter and the audacity of this dude decided to
Speaker 3: call me a Zeniel. I would like to point out
Speaker 3: that Zeniels are born between ninety three and ninety eight,
Speaker 3: and I was definitely walking the world at that point.
Speaker 2: And then we discussed this off the.
Speaker 1: Air for a minute and Sean was like, well, I
Speaker 1: was you know, I'm not a millennial. I was born
Speaker 1: you know, in the late eighties.
Speaker 3: Millennials are eighty one to ninety six. Jen X was
Speaker 3: sixty five to eighty and gen Z, which they're now
Speaker 3: calling zoomers, which I think is hilarious. I had connotations
Speaker 3: of that is ninety seven to twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: I was born in eighty one, so neil.
Speaker 2: So what am I?
Speaker 1: I was sixty two before all sixty two? I have
Speaker 1: some bad news boomer boomer baby boomers are forty six
Speaker 1: to sixty four. Oh boy, they what was sixty four
Speaker 1: to the next one? Uh? Sixty five to eighty was
Speaker 1: gen X? Yeah, oh that's right, gen X, gen X.
Speaker 3: I would like to point out that, like that is
Speaker 3: the most gen X thing ever, the forgotten generation like
Speaker 3: I mentioned in those like wait, what was that other wing?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, gen X existed, so like they just they
Speaker 3: just sit quietly in the corner growing up.
Speaker 1: I always consider myself to be gen X because I
Speaker 1: didn't know the exact cutoff. But honestly, dude, January twentieth
Speaker 1: of eighty one, Come on, dude, I'm literally on the
Speaker 1: cusp of being gen X.
Speaker 3: So there is actual actually inside of sociology, there is
Speaker 3: subgenerations that they call cusps, and if you are in
Speaker 3: that spot, then you are a cusp between gen X
Speaker 3: and millennial because you got a little bit of their
Speaker 3: experience and a little bit of the next gens experience.
Speaker 1: Okay, I do not fall close enough to be a
Speaker 1: cusp of asennial. I definitely do, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: You missed it by like a couple weeks, so you
Speaker 3: definitely fall in the cusp area.
Speaker 1: So if I was born two years later, I'd be
Speaker 1: a boomer Z. You'd be a boomer X boomer REX.
Speaker 1: All Right.
Speaker 3: The other thing that we kind of talked about during
Speaker 3: the break that Sean had brought up was the difference
Speaker 3: between like millennials and our Internet experience growing up, Like
Speaker 3: I still could mimic the dial up noise from that
Speaker 3: mode because it is so ingrained. For like that meant
Speaker 3: you were getting online, followed by if you did AOL.
Speaker 1: You've got mail.
Speaker 3: Web one point zero was so wildly different, Like you
Speaker 3: had the handful of websites that everyone knew, and now
Speaker 3: you've got a different what are we at like web
Speaker 3: three point zero at this point is what they're calling it.
Speaker 3: But everyone has this wildly different experience of Internet life,
Speaker 3: and part of it, you know, Sean was bringing up
Speaker 3: it might be regional, like you know, somebody in the
Speaker 3: Midwest is going to look up something different than someone
Speaker 3: in New York than somebody in Texas. But the biggest
Speaker 3: change is the algorithm. The algorithms drive your web experience,
Speaker 3: whether you want it to or not.
Speaker 1: Say you lived in New York City versus living in
Speaker 1: Florida Miami, you're gonna be you have been probably fed
Speaker 1: something different. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I mean things that you look up locally, you know,
Speaker 3: inside the algorithm. If you go to you know, okay,
Speaker 3: I go to this website, there are tags associated with that,
Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, he went to website X, which
Speaker 3: has tags one, two, three. Then you went to website Z,
Speaker 3: which has tags two, three, and seven, and it starts
Speaker 3: compiling and it's like, oh, okay, so Matt's interest did
Speaker 3: in one, seven, fourteen and the letter Q like those
Speaker 3: are what I'm going to start punching in his feeds.
Speaker 3: So you have the regional influence for what you're going
Speaker 3: to natively be looking for that feeds the algorithm. The
Speaker 3: algorithm then drives the content that's sent to you. My
Speaker 3: wife and I, for example, we joke about the difference
Speaker 3: in our algorithms like she gets like lots of pottery,
Speaker 3: ceramic artists, like lots of more artistic stuff. Mine is
Speaker 3: like sixty percent Cory Geese, fifteen percent firearms, and the
Speaker 3: remainders like dad jokes for some reason, although it occasionally
Speaker 3: throws with the dad jokes, it occasionally throws one in
Speaker 3: there that I'm like, well, that one was wildly out
Speaker 3: of pocket. There's the one for the day. So it
Speaker 3: really is a completely different web experience between what we
Speaker 3: grew up with and what the kids are growing up.
Speaker 1: Well are you so, what's what was faster? Three hundred
Speaker 1: bod or twenty eight eight twenty eight eight and then
Speaker 1: fifty six k, then fifty six k, so you have
Speaker 1: well one fifty three hundred because twenty eight eight was
Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand eight, right, bod Yeah, but if you
Speaker 1: you asked them, but you might go, oh no, three
Speaker 1: hundred must have been bigger. It just sounded better. Those
Speaker 1: are the same people that thought a Wendy's third pounder
Speaker 1: was was worse than a than Donald's quarter pounder or whatever,
Speaker 1: what was it? What was it? Yeah, yeah, it's quarter pounder.
Speaker 1: You're right. They thought of Wendy's third pounder was less
Speaker 1: meat than a McDonald's quarter pound.
Speaker 2: I also thought the half pounder was less than the
Speaker 2: quarter pounder because the number was bigger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So think about the Wendy's. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people just think big number means big.
Speaker 1: People are Okay, hold on, we can just sum this
Speaker 1: up as people are dumb. Yeah, and okay. The other question, now,
Speaker 1: because we brought it up, why did you got mail
Speaker 1: go away? There was something nice? No, not the movie
Speaker 1: that the thing was all went away?
Speaker 2: Why did they will go away? That should have been around.
Speaker 1: For mess managed? They were bought by Time Warner Interactive.
Speaker 1: They were mismanaged due I worked for AOL. I saw
Speaker 1: the downfall of that company when I was working there.
Speaker 1: And then also not only just that, is because the
Speaker 1: dial up era was over. They tried launching a high
Speaker 1: speed internet service back in early two thousand and one
Speaker 1: or two thousand and two, and it failed miserably because
Speaker 1: they had to make contracts with the major ISPs that
Speaker 1: were already established, so you're basically tacking on on top
Speaker 1: of an additional ISP. Their whole business model was based
Speaker 1: on dial up, and once dial up went dead, nobody
Speaker 1: wanted them any to be.
Speaker 2: Fair, they kind of were the first software as a service.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh right, yes, yeah, so fun little fact. I
Speaker 3: actually grew up about ten minutes away from AOL World headquarters,
Speaker 3: which was in Ashbourne, Virginia, and it was a giant,
Speaker 3: sprawling complex.
Speaker 1: Yes, with armed guards. I've been there still around. They
Speaker 1: have like one building from that entire complex, and Raytheon
Speaker 1: bought the rest of it. Oh you're a kid. So
Speaker 1: the funny, funny story is when I worked for AOL,
Speaker 1: I did have a chance to go to that complex
Speaker 1: as an employee because they they randomly picked like I
Speaker 1: don't know, one hundred people to go, right, And I
Speaker 1: got to go to the complex and it was is
Speaker 1: the best part about it was you go into like
Speaker 1: the quote unquote and I'm doing air quotes here headquarters
Speaker 1: of AOL. And there it's this big, beautiful waiting room,
Speaker 1: you know, big huge lobby, and the behind you is
Speaker 1: like this glass wall of all these blinky server lights
Speaker 1: and and and it's like, I mean, it looks just amazing.
Speaker 1: It looks like a data center, right. Yeah. This is
Speaker 1: like a lot of people's first ever experience looking at
Speaker 1: a data center. It's just a bunch of computers with
Speaker 1: blinky lights. Yeah, and then they brought us back and
Speaker 1: they gave us the tour, you know, they told us
Speaker 1: the tour, and then they said, okay, now that you
Speaker 1: guys are employees, we're going to take you to the
Speaker 1: real data center. Wait it was it the real data center? No,
Speaker 1: that was all just that was literally just a wall
Speaker 1: of blinky lights. Like they took us behind it and
Speaker 1: there was no servers. Oh I love all the blinky lights.
Speaker 1: So what they did is they actually made us wear blindfolds.
Speaker 1: They put us on a bus and they took us
Speaker 1: to an undisclosed location, which is probably what Matt is
Speaker 1: talking about, right, And when we got off the bus,
Speaker 1: there was armed guards and it was a giant warehouse
Speaker 1: with these massive like it looked like furnaces like inside
Speaker 1: oh wow, they huge smoke stack furnaces and cooling. Well,
Speaker 1: but inside the warehouse, like you walk in, it looks
Speaker 1: like a blast furnace, right, but inside of the blast
Speaker 1: furnace was all of the servers. And that is the
Speaker 1: true at the time, that was the true AOL headquarters.
Speaker 1: Kind of wonder if server rooms have changed much because
Speaker 1: of AI. I mean, I'm sure I'm both everything smaller Now.
Speaker 1: I would think now that's kind of growing again, because no,
Speaker 1: they're growing exponentially. There's so much data now that AI
Speaker 1: is consuming and having to do that. It's that's where
Speaker 1: we're going to see a lot of it going into that.
Speaker 1: When I was working in television, we went to our
Speaker 1: data center was in Dallas, Texas. This data center biometric,
Speaker 1: it was i I scanning, it was multiple badges, it
Speaker 1: was DNA. I mean, they literally took a blood sample
Speaker 1: from you. What to put on record in case, you know,
Speaker 1: there was an accident inside the data center and your
Speaker 1: blood was found there. They knew, make you disappear. But
Speaker 1: but but but our our cabinet for the TV station
Speaker 1: was literally next door to Facebook and Google.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's so yeah, they yeah, that what you're
Speaker 3: talking about. It like the growth of the data centers.
Speaker 3: It's so Where AOL was located in Ashburn, Virginia, a
Speaker 3: minute up the road was the old headquarters for ACI
Speaker 3: world Com NCI World Colm Oh wow, was right up
Speaker 3: the road from there. And growing up that area was
Speaker 3: it was farmland and nothing.
Speaker 1: It's a store. Remember the road. It's off Waxpool Road,
Speaker 1: off Route twenty eight.
Speaker 3: In Ashburn, Virginia, and that area exploded and it is
Speaker 3: now one of the more expensive places to try and
Speaker 3: live and buy a house because it is basically Silicon
Speaker 3: Valley on the east coast. Because the fiber, the main
Speaker 3: fiber line, the trans Pacific Fiber line, comes into San Francisco,
Speaker 3: and then it splits into three trunks. You've got the northern,
Speaker 3: the Central, and the Southern trunk. Northern trunk goes up
Speaker 3: kind of along the Great Lakes area, starts curving back down.
Speaker 3: Central line goes straight through Denver all the way across,
Speaker 3: and the southern line goes down through Texas and then
Speaker 3: curves back up. Those three main fiber trunks rejoin in Ashburn,
Speaker 3: Virginia and become the trans Atlantic fiber line. So whenever
Speaker 3: you're looking on like AWS or Azure or Google Cloud
Speaker 3: and you see like US East one, US East two,
Speaker 3: that's all in Ashburn.
Speaker 1: It is the land of data centers.
Speaker 2: All this open land.
Speaker 3: Like you can pick up a rock on Waxpool Road,
Speaker 3: wing it through the sky as hard as you can
Speaker 3: and it will cross three different data centers before it
Speaker 3: hits the ground.
Speaker 1: Wow, amazing. All right, I got to show you something, guys,
Speaker 1: before we go to break here. I decided to bite
Speaker 1: the bullet and give it a shot. Mocha. That's Moca
Speaker 1: Multimedia over Coax Alliance and see if it really is
Speaker 1: as fast as everybody says. It connects to your router
Speaker 1: co X or your motive, I should say, and then
Speaker 1: it has a backfeed that goes into your router, and
Speaker 1: then your router can then you put it the second
Speaker 1: unit in another room with coax, so you're basically using
Speaker 1: your coax that's been wired in your which a lot
Speaker 1: of us don't use anymore, to be your kind of
Speaker 1: your cable provider for your Internet. And this is two
Speaker 1: point five They say it'll get two point five gigabits
Speaker 1: of speed, low latency, And I'm gonna give it a
Speaker 1: shot and fully test it out. But we'll see. And
Speaker 1: if so, a kit is about one hundred and seventeen dollars,
Speaker 1: so you figure out how many COAX out outlets do
Speaker 1: you have that you need better than power line. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to be better than Wi Fi.
Speaker 1: People are saying it is. So Moke MCA. You find
Speaker 1: more info on our website. I featured it on TV
Speaker 1: this past week, so something to look at. We could
Speaker 1: take a break, we come back with more of tech
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Speaker 1: tech Talk Radio and some of the other stuff I do.
Speaker 1: I have got on the wall movie posters. I love
Speaker 1: movie posters. Used to collect them all the time. I've
Speaker 1: got the movie Into the Night, which was a John
Speaker 1: Landis film. Sorry, Jeff Goldblum, Michelle Pfeiffer. You also had
Speaker 1: David Bowie in the movie. You had Carl Perkins. I mean,
Speaker 1: just a huge cast, and I love the movie, so
Speaker 1: I have that in here. I also have talk Radio.
Speaker 1: You remember that movie Talk Radio, which was Eric Bogosian.
Speaker 1: It was a I think it was an Oliver Stone movie,
Speaker 1: and it was just about talk radio. But it's actually
Speaker 1: based on the story of a guy, a Chicago, Colorado
Speaker 1: radio host that was murdered, and it's actually pretty good.
Speaker 1: So I want to get a movie poster in here
Speaker 1: now that deals with tech, or even a poster from
Speaker 1: a TV series. And I'm thinking what would be the
Speaker 1: best one to get, Like what movie would be look
Speaker 1: great as a movie poster or TV series? And I
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of them out there. Do you
Speaker 1: guys have favorites?
Speaker 2: Oh? Tons, Yeah, a lot of favorites. There's one that
Speaker 2: I really liked growing up as a kid. It came
Speaker 2: out in nineteen eighty five. It's called Darryl.
Speaker 1: Darryl.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a it's a It's basically about a nine
Speaker 2: year old kid who is actually a robot that gets
Speaker 2: basically lost, finds a family, gets adopted, and like he's
Speaker 2: a robot, try and track them. Yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 2: really good movie. It's like it's about the kid learning
Speaker 2: how to be a kid because it instead of a robot.
Speaker 2: But it's It came out nineteen eighty five. It's called Darryl.
Speaker 2: Who do you know who's in it?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Oh Man? It's got oh Man. Beth hurt Michael Keaton,
Speaker 2: Katherine Walker.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I've never seen it. I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: look for that one. Yeah, that's a that was a
Speaker 1: classic one. That's a deep cut. Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go nineteen eighty three Matthew Broderick.
Speaker 3: War Games.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that was like to play a game sometimes.
Speaker 1: All right, what was the name of the computer? Do
Speaker 1: you remember a gang? The Whopper? That Whopper? You got it? Yes, yep,
Speaker 1: all right, I like war game. I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: go a little bit more recent. Really, uh one of
Speaker 1: my favorite tech shows, mister Robot. I knew you were
Speaker 1: gonna do, mister Robot. I wonder if they make a
Speaker 1: poster for that one. Oh, of course they do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some of the some of the other ones. I was
Speaker 1: looking at hackers. It was pretty good. Short circuit. Remember
Speaker 1: that one. Johnny five, Oh my god, number five is alive.
Speaker 1: Matrix is Alive. Would the Matrix be considered a tech movie? Yeah? Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and one, A space odyssey that's going way back,
Speaker 1: goes to the.
Speaker 2: Show went on a Sandra bullet kick not that long ago.
Speaker 1: Did you really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Ready? Ready player one? Oh, my god, Yes, of course,
Speaker 1: Ready Player one that would be good, but the book
Speaker 1: was better. Yes, yes, me too, about Sneakers? Sneakers? Is
Speaker 1: that any good?
Speaker 2: God?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh. And then the one movie that I thought
Speaker 1: we should really give credits to. It's what happens when
Speaker 1: you don't pay the one it guy that works for
Speaker 1: your company enough money or give him enough respect. Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1: All right, like, I'm sorry, I'm on his side at
Speaker 1: this point. Yeah.
Speaker 3: One other one and it's it's another older one. It's
Speaker 3: ninety five. Keanu Reeves, Johnny Knamonic, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we'll get it and maybe get all
Speaker 1: of them. We'll see if they'll all fit in here.
Speaker 1: That's it for this week's Tech Talk Radio. Next week
Speaker 1: on the show, we're gonna tell you a little bit
Speaker 1: about the new documentary all about Going Postal, about one
Speaker 1: of the big video games that got turned into a movie,
Speaker 1: and we may even get the filmmakers on the show,
Speaker 1: so again, that'll be a lot of fun. We're also
Speaker 1: having an author who's written a book all about a
Speaker 1: lot Us Morisset. There you go. We'll be back with
Speaker 1: more tech Talk Radio next week. I'm Andy Taylor. I'm
Speaker 1: Sean de Weird, I'm Matt Jones, and I'm Justin Lemme.
Speaker 1: Once again, find us on the web at tech talk
Speaker 1: radio dot com. Have yourselves a great week, see you