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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Damn Ray on WVST Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Cor I couldn't agree with you more. I don't need

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<v Speaker 2>sports wait got Damn Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, if you want to watch sports recall, all they

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<v Speaker 1>have to do is just watch it on TV. If

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<v Speaker 1>they want, then turn the audio down and they can

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<v Speaker 1>multitask and listen to Nightside all of our interesting program

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<v Speaker 1>and good evening. Everybody, welcome on into it. Monday night

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<v Speaker 1>we start another week of Nightside. We will take you

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<v Speaker 1>all the way almost a Saturday morning, every Monday night

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<v Speaker 1>from eight until midnight. Rob Brooks, our producer, is back

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<v Speaker 1>in the control room set to take your calls beginning

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<v Speaker 1>after nine o'clock, and we have four guests lined up

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<v Speaker 1>this hour on various and sundry topics. Some of them

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<v Speaker 1>are newsworthy, some of them are of interest, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of them are informative. It's a polpery sort of an

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<v Speaker 1>an eclectic mix, if you will, and that's what we

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<v Speaker 1>offer here from eight until nine and have been doing

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<v Speaker 1>that for about a year and a half and it's

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<v Speaker 1>worked out pretty well. A lot of different groups and

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<v Speaker 1>organizations have got a little bit of airtime. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily topics that we generated an hour's worth of discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>We saved those for the nine to ten and the eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>and tonight we will be talking about the teacher strikes

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<v Speaker 1>that are going on in three communities here in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 1>That's our great news for kids and great great news

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<v Speaker 1>for their parents, no doubt, I'm sure that there are

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<v Speaker 1>people of those communities Beverly, Marblehead and Gloucester who are upset.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe some of them don't want to say anything because

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<v Speaker 1>they're afraid that it might impact their child's grades. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think it's unfortunate that these sort of strikes occurred

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<v Speaker 1>during the school year. I don't see why they copy

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<v Speaker 1>resolved during the summer with arbitration and necessary binding arbitration strikes.

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<v Speaker 1>Teacher strikes were illegal here in Massachusetts anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll get to we'll get to all of that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff later.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to start off with a really fun topic,

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<v Speaker 1>literally a fun topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to talk with Justine Sigal.

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<v Speaker 1>Justin just five ways I can pronounce your last name,

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<v Speaker 1>So give me the correct pronununciation if I haven't done

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<v Speaker 1>it correctly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a seagull, SEAgel.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's fine, Okay, she is the co founder of

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<v Speaker 1>the Women's Pro Baseball League and founder of Baseball for All. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Night's side. This is exciting news. Apparently by

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<v Speaker 1>the year twenty twenty six, you hope to have a

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<v Speaker 1>professional women's baseball league in action.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're very excited to launch and as you said,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty six will be the inaugural season and good

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<v Speaker 3>news for Boston fans as we plan to be in

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<v Speaker 3>the Northeast and we're still choosing where, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll almost see in your neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know where or no, I mean, have you

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<v Speaker 1>have you you know, picked the locations.

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<v Speaker 3>We're still determining which locations would be best.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so I'm assuming that even if you're in Boston,

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<v Speaker 1>you're probably not going to be sharing Way Park with

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<v Speaker 1>the Red Sox, that there'll be another location of some

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<v Speaker 1>sort where people can will be able to find you.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, we plan to be in smaller stadiums, about

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five hundred to five thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, hey, you have there's several of those those

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<v Speaker 1>ballparks in the greater Boston area. And when you say

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<v Speaker 1>the Northeast, can you leave, at least give us a

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<v Speaker 1>description of the Northeast. Most of us will live in Boston, Justine,

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<v Speaker 1>we think the Northeast is basically all within Route one

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight. But you probably have a more expanded view

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<v Speaker 1>of the Northeast than those of us in Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Half correct.

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, I used to work at Sport and Society

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<v Speaker 3>at Northeastern, so about the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Ends after that, we'd have absolutely no way.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm only teasing.

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<v Speaker 1>So, so you're talking about maybe a couple of teams

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<v Speaker 1>other Northeastern environments that are baseball centric. Oh, I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe New York, Philadelphia communities like that.

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<v Speaker 3>We will see, but I can tell you that for

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<v Speaker 3>the first year, we'll be moving by bus. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 3>that's important to us.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, necessary, I know I can understand that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So let me ask us. You know a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>about women's baseball, and you may know a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>about baseball than me, although I got a pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>team that toured back in the mid nineties. They actually

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<v Speaker 1>played at Faenway Park. They were called the Silver Bullets.

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<v Speaker 1>You're probably too young to remember them. Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>any knowledge of them?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I went to spring training with the Silver Bullets, so

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<v Speaker 3>they I went down to the Red Sox spring training

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<v Speaker 3>facility and played there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately I hurt my arms, so I didn't make the team.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We've all hurt our arms at some point. Trust man,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a picture tree, so I know exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>you mean. Anyway, I think Phil Nekro was the manager,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm not mistaken. What Maybe it was Phil, Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was Joe Negro, It's one of the Negroes.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Phil and Joe, both of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, they were both there, absolutely, Okay, now correct me

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm wrong. Did they play women's teams or were

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<v Speaker 1>they playing? They were they were playing some men's teams.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought as well, Yeah, the Silver Bullets they played

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<v Speaker 3>men's teams. And so what makes you know the women's

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<v Speaker 3>professional baseball leagues so exceptional is that we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>have a women's BASEBA league of our own. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>been seventy years since all the All American Girls Professional

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<v Speaker 3>Baseball League, So seventy years is a big drought.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think it ready to come. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>is great.

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<v Speaker 1>And for those who do not understand this, I watched

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<v Speaker 1>some of the Silver Bullets pitchers and they could they could,

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<v Speaker 1>they could get it up there. They they had something

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<v Speaker 1>on the ball. This is not slow pitch baseball. Trust

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<v Speaker 1>me on that, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>It's uh uh. You know, I'm asuming these pitchers were thrown.

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<v Speaker 1>Somewhere in the high seventies, low eighties, or am I

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<v Speaker 1>over over remembering.

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<v Speaker 3>As we say, No, that's correct, low eighties, seventies, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>mid eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And anybody thinks that's slow, try hitting something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, particularly if the ball's move And where will

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<v Speaker 1>you find your players?

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<v Speaker 2>I do know a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at your background a little bit, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know that you have been You were a coach at

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<v Speaker 1>one point with the Oakland A's and you actually were

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<v Speaker 1>the first women to throw spring training batting practice.

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<v Speaker 2>To the Cleveland Indians.

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<v Speaker 1>And anyone who's thrown batting practice has to know that

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to be pretty agile to throw the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>get it where you want to get it to, and

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<v Speaker 1>then duck behind the screen.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're at the players. I mean, they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be mostly US players, but we're also looking internationally. We

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<v Speaker 3>have a women's national team through USA Baseball, so we

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<v Speaker 3>already know who the top twenty players in the country are.

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<v Speaker 3>But we have five hundred at least five hundred players

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<v Speaker 3>and our player pooro, you know, wanting information on how

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<v Speaker 3>to try out. So uh, you know, it's we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to start to the amazing talent, some that we knew

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<v Speaker 3>of and some that's going to be brand new.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's my question.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there any colleges or high schools that have girls

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<v Speaker 1>baseball teams? My daughter played softball in high school, but

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<v Speaker 1>are there any you know, girls, Where do you find players?

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<v Speaker 1>Because obviously, in order to develop a skill, you got

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<v Speaker 1>to play against other people. So where where are these

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<v Speaker 1>players coming from?

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<v Speaker 3>Most of the girls who play baseball they play with

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<v Speaker 3>the boys. They did, okay, thousands of girls playing baseball

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<v Speaker 3>at the boys across the country. You even have a

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<v Speaker 3>girls program in Boston called the Boston Slammers. And therefore

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<v Speaker 3>all ages and we have eight women are playing at

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<v Speaker 3>college level with the men, and about two thousand girls

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<v Speaker 3>playing high school baseball. And that's just here in the US.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're talking in Japan and Mexico and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great.

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<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, they play with the boys, but the dreams

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<v Speaker 3>to play with the you know, with the girls and

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<v Speaker 3>play with the women and have a pro league.

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<v Speaker 2>So how long is schedule? The first season, the inaugural

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<v Speaker 2>season twenty twenty six? Are you talking.

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<v Speaker 1>About sixty games? I mean, you're not talking about one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty two games. I'm assuming.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we're starting off with a summer league, so you're

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<v Speaker 3>looking at more forty games to summer. They can also

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<v Speaker 3>capture the college athlete as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>So if anyone has an interest in either trying out

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<v Speaker 1>or getting more information, either as a fan or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>is there a website we can direct people to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Absolutely, Women's Pro Baseball League dot com?

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect, Women's no apostrophe or is there an apostrophe in

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<v Speaker 1>their pro baseball free?

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<v Speaker 3>Women's Probaseball League dot com?

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, Justine, best of luck. I'm looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>watching you play two summers from now, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's great. I really do think it's great. I love

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<v Speaker 1>watching college women's college softball, and I mean they do

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<v Speaker 1>amazing things with that ball underhand and at fifty two

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<v Speaker 1>feet or whatever the mound is that ball moves around,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure you gotta have some real interesting games,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll keep we'll keep you posted, or you keep

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<v Speaker 1>us posting, and I'd love to have you back, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we'll have you back some night and take some

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<v Speaker 1>phone calls from listeners because I think baseball is still

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<v Speaker 1>America's pastime.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great that women are getting involved in it at

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<v Speaker 2>this level. It's going to be fabulous. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Justine Siegel, co founder of the Women's Pro

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball League.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, we're going to talk with a

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<v Speaker 1>movie producer about a film called Silent Dignity, six part

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<v Speaker 1>docuseries raising up veterans' voices to tell their stories to

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<v Speaker 1>promote healing. And of course we could not have picked

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<v Speaker 1>a better night. This is Veteran's Day and so this

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<v Speaker 1>producer of that film, who also I believe appears in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right after this break here on Nightside. Now back to

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<v Speaker 1>Dan ray Line from the Window World.

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<v Speaker 4>Night Side Studios on wb Z to news Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to welcome to the program, Wayne Sores. Wayne

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<v Speaker 1>is a producer. He's also an actor. From Western Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 1>and he is putting together a docuseriies raising up veterans'

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<v Speaker 1>voices to tell their stories to promote healing. The docuseries

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<v Speaker 1>is called Silent Dignity. Wayne, Welcome to Nightside. How are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing very well, Dan, Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you for the enthusiasm in your voice. I

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<v Speaker 1>love enthusiastic guests. Tell us about the idea and the

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<v Speaker 1>series and how it has come to be and it

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<v Speaker 1>is still a work in progress as if I if I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>Correct, Yes, it's still I created this about started storyboarding

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<v Speaker 5>about two about two years ago and had an opportunity

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<v Speaker 5>winning actor and he was just embraced it tremendously and

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<v Speaker 5>has equally the passion that I have. And what we

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<v Speaker 5>did in episode one, Dan was we we this is

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<v Speaker 5>They never got the appropriate you know, parade, or they

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<v Speaker 5>came home to scorn and ridicule, and so what we've

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<v Speaker 5>emotion of what the men and women that served in Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 5>what they went through. And and in our second episode

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<v Speaker 5>right now that we're in the midst of we really

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<v Speaker 5>want to bring awareness to PTSD. Uh, it's horrible, horrible, horrible,

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<v Speaker 5>as well as Agent Orange and the effects that it

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<v Speaker 2>So took a lot of lives.

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<v Speaker 1>They used to call it in World War Two shell

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<v Speaker 1>shock exactly. It's got the PTSD characterization. So is this

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be as I understand that the plan

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<v Speaker 1>is to be a six part series documentary correct.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, correct, yep, documentary series.

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<v Speaker 2>And is it focused on the Vietnam era veterans?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, okay, yes, we wanted from from We're going to

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<v Speaker 5>be doing stuff on the service dogs that went over there.

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<v Speaker 5>People don't realize that almost four thousand dogs went over

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<v Speaker 5>during during the Vietnam Era and very very very few

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<v Speaker 5>came home. I believe about four hundred dogs came home.

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<v Speaker 5>We want to do a combat nurses, which were which

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<v Speaker 5>were just a huge part of anybody that got the wounded,

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<v Speaker 5>the donut dollies. We've got to We've got a segment

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<v Speaker 5>on them. They were the people, the women that reached

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<v Speaker 5>their their lives, going around to make soldiers lives better

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<v Speaker 5>with just their enthusiasm and and making them fee relaxed.

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<v Speaker 5>So we've we've got a kind of a potfolry of

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<v Speaker 1>Now the service dogs that everyone is interested in service dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>My understanding is that they were often used going down

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly that's exactly right. You know, obviously they had the

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<v Speaker 5>and uh, the the enemy in Vietnam was was was

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<v Speaker 5>they were a soldier, which which I think is really

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, what was the genesis of this? How did this

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<v Speaker 1>idea come to you? And how did it? Is this

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<v Speaker 5>Well it wasn't, I think dn we all have those.

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<v Speaker 5>But my my grandfather was my idol was no longer

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<v Speaker 5>veteran in the CDs. And when I started to to

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<v Speaker 5>we all do it to cheese. I should have I

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<v Speaker 5>should have asked my grandfather. I should have asked, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>my my uncle, you know what it was like? And

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<v Speaker 5>he never really talked about it. That was the that generation,

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<v Speaker 5>the greatest generation. They never they never talked about it.

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<v Speaker 5>But once in a while when he when he got

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit, but not much. And I think that

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<v Speaker 5>and women that that did serve in that. But I

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<v Speaker 5>kind of build on that. And I was sitting home here,

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<v Speaker 5>I watch a lot of video on Bob Hope, and

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<v Speaker 5>I thought that there might be something that I could,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, compile and and put together in my first

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about you talking about Bob Hope with the USO

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<v Speaker 1>Tours of Vietnam, Bob Hope andt I Margret.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, oh yes, yes, yes, Rockel Welch and then you

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<v Speaker 5>know just litany of people that he took and I

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<v Speaker 5>just became just so the focused and and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>really use to help not showcases a bad word, but

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<v Speaker 5>kind of give tribute to to our to our veterans.

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<v Speaker 5>It started with our World War two vets, and then

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<v Speaker 5>I just came up with the idea that we should

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<v Speaker 5>do something for our via non dettors, because if you

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<v Speaker 5>look at every part of our history, excuse me, Vietnam

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<v Speaker 5>vennorans really get they got absolutely nothing when when they

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<v Speaker 1>Now, minunderstanding is that there's a way. Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>some trailers that people can start to look at or

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<v Speaker 1>what how how can people get a sense of uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what this will eventually become. And minderstanding is

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes, we actually have a studio that's I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>at liberty to say right now, but they're very interested there.

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<v Speaker 5>They do a lot of inspirational films and movies and

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<v Speaker 5>documentaries and this would fit this, This is a perfect

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<v Speaker 5>website and you can see clips and trailers Silentdignity dot Us,

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<v Speaker 5>Silent Dignity dot Us and that's some great piece that

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<v Speaker 5>Armand does. A does a beautiful, beautiful introduction, and in

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<v Speaker 5>episode two we really have some very very powerful, powerful

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<v Speaker 5>very educational, excuse me, very educational. It's extremely informative, but

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<v Speaker 5>most of all, it's very patriotic. Where this is not

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<v Speaker 5>an anti military nothing of that sort. We just want

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<v Speaker 5>to be able to go ahead and give the welcome

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<v Speaker 5>home that our Vietnam veterans truly deserve.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the Vietnam veterans or men and women who are

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<v Speaker 1>now well into their seventies or all in their seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>down to like below five hundred Korean War veterans are

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<v Speaker 1>also of you know, sort of a middle generation there.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you think about, you know, Vietnam veterans, you

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<v Speaker 1>would have some that you know, could be as old

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<v Speaker 1>as eighty, but a lot of them are going to

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<v Speaker 1>this is the time to give them the respect and

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<v Speaker 1>the welcome home that they never received. So the website

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<v Speaker 1>again is Silentdignity dot us and some of the final

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<v Speaker 1>cuts that you know, one at least one part is there.

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<v Speaker 1>These are not long presentations. I think the other day

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly, yep, exactly. It's it's the short documentary. But again

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<v Speaker 5>we compile, you know everything, We just look to make

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<v Speaker 5>this a series. And along the lines, you and you

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<v Speaker 5>talk about World War two vets. A good friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 5>a one hundred and two years he's one hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>two years old. I spend just about every Saturday with him.

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<v Speaker 5>I've spent a lot of holidays with him. My buddy,

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<v Speaker 5>Chizo Masaconi. He lives in Cheshire, Massachusetts. He's one hundred

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<v Speaker 5>and two he was at Pearl Harbor. He's an army

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<v Speaker 5>veteran Pearl Harbor. After the attack, they came in four

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<v Speaker 5>months later, and then he was at the Battle of Saipan,

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<v Speaker 5>and then he spent eight months on Iwo Jima. He's

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<v Speaker 5>one hundred and two years old and still his faculties.

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<v Speaker 5>The only thing going on is his knees, and he's

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<v Speaker 5>an occasional glass of wine and great spirits and a big,

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<v Speaker 2>So his first name again is what.

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<v Speaker 5>abbreviated for at Narciso, which is Narciso in Italian? Is Charlie?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Cheezo?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, happy one hundred and two, Chiezo, and hopefully there's

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<v Speaker 1>many more to come. I really love the interview of

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<v Speaker 1>your enthusiasm, Wayne. I know it's going to be a success.

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<v Speaker 1>Please keep in touch with us and if we can

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<v Speaker 1>do anything along the way, you know, periodically as you're

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<v Speaker 1>making some news here and getting some breaks. I think

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<v Speaker 1>know series, these these cable networks, they need good, positive presentations.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that the Vietnam era veterans certainly did,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, get the short end of the stick.

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<v Speaker 1>And now it's time to at least acknowledge. They might

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<v Speaker 1>they went and they served, and it's something that we

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<v Speaker 1>now appreciate as a society much more than perhaps we

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks so much, thank you, thank you for saying that.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd like to really quickly say thank you to armand

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<v Speaker 5>Decante and the guy that put us together. Are a

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<v Speaker 5>good town, Mark Lund so good.

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<v Speaker 1>I once worked with Mark, or I should say I

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<v Speaker 1>worked for Mark, so it's a great friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>And he spoke very.

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<v Speaker 1>Highly of you, and and you you fulfill all of

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<v Speaker 1>my expectations. Thanks for your passion on this. You were

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you so much. Thank you, Daan, my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>We come back on to talk about artificial intelligence with

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<v Speaker 1>It's coming up a little bit after. This's eight thirty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, in the next few years, all of us are

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<v Speaker 1>is Abdul Murray. I'm not sure if abdou if this

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<v Speaker 1>is a website. It's called Embrace the Truth. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to explain to me what Embrace the

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<v Speaker 1>Truth is, and then let's talk about the pros, the

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<v Speaker 1>cons and the morality and pitfalls of artificial intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Knightside, amdu oh Dan.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great to be with you. Thanks for having me on,

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<v Speaker 4>and so Embrace The Truth is that organization that I

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<v Speaker 4>founded twenty years ago, and it is actually the website

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<v Speaker 4>as well. It's embraced the truth dot org. And what

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<v Speaker 4>we're basically about and what I do is I'm a

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<v Speaker 4>lawyer by training. I went to law school with a

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<v Speaker 4>commercial litigator, complex business litigation, that kind of stuff. But

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<v Speaker 4>I speak about Christian worldview in light of contemporary culture

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<v Speaker 4>and big issues like artificial intelligence, like morality, like all

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<v Speaker 4>these kind of things from a Christian perspective. And I

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<v Speaker 4>speak in university and kind of ps second places. So

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<v Speaker 4>you're just trying to see the intersection of faith and culture,

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<v Speaker 4>and of course a I on everyone's mind, so that's

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<v Speaker 4>what is on my mind as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So so you come to it not only with

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<v Speaker 1>the legal background. I'm a lawyer as well, uh, from

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<v Speaker 1>a legal background, but also.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, no, no, there's nothing wrong with that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been it's been very good. No.

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<v Speaker 1>I've enjoyed, uh it both as a practicing attorney and

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<v Speaker 1>elsewhere as an investigative journalist for for many years, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>in television.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have a faith perspective as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Many people think that lawyers don't have any we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a great reverydation, but many of us do.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, and I would be in that category with you.

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<v Speaker 1>So now so, so the the presentation is the pros,

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<v Speaker 1>the cons, the morality and the pitfalls of artificial intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I.

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<v Speaker 1>Understand artifical I think I have a basic understanding of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think I understand artificial intelligence to even

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<v Speaker 1>understand pros, cons, morality and pitfalls other than my question

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<v Speaker 1>has always been how are teachers and college professors going

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out whether that essay or that term paper

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<v Speaker 1>or that thesis was actually written or ripped off by

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<v Speaker 1>a college student or a grad student. But tell me,

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<v Speaker 1>in probably a more more sophisticated language that I could

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<v Speaker 1>produce what we need to be concerned about.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the first thing we need to do is make

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<v Speaker 4>sure we define our terms, because oftentimes we think of

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<v Speaker 4>artificial intelligence. Many researchers will tell you that the term

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<v Speaker 4>is so broad that it's almost useless now because when

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<v Speaker 4>we think of artificial intelligence in the sci fi world,

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<v Speaker 4>we think of the terminator, or we think of the

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<v Speaker 4>machine like in the matrix, that are coming to get

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<v Speaker 4>us and pick over the world because they have like

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<v Speaker 4>a human level artificial intelligence, and the reality is is

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<v Speaker 4>that's what's called artificial general intelligence, and that's a goal

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<v Speaker 4>for a lot of researchers and developers, but.

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<v Speaker 2>We're hoping they never reached that goal. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as I desire to stay that.

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<v Speaker 4>Abdu Well, that's one of the pitfalls is that there's

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<v Speaker 4>a thing called the value problem. And one of the

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<v Speaker 4>things in the value problem is that if you create

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<v Speaker 4>something that has human level intelligence or even greater, and

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<v Speaker 4>then it has it's called a recursive improvement cycle, where

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<v Speaker 4>it just keeps getting better at getting better, it will

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<v Speaker 4>eventually past us at a bunch of different tasks. So

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of researchers are asking the question. The question

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<v Speaker 4>they're asking is if something achieves or we achieve some

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<v Speaker 4>kind of human level intelligence for this thing that doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>have the same concerns we have, who's to say that

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<v Speaker 4>its objectives will line up with with morality, with human morality?

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<v Speaker 4>Who's to say that? And sip with well, no one's

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<v Speaker 4>to say that, because it might come up with its

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<v Speaker 4>own idea.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course you get into the philosophical argument

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<v Speaker 1>of what is morality and what is human morality?

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<v Speaker 2>And how is it expressed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and so this comes to me, This comes back

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<v Speaker 4>down to from my faith perspective, and I think there's

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<v Speaker 4>also a philosophical thing in respective of my particular faith preference.

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<v Speaker 4>But when it comes down to this to me is

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<v Speaker 4>I think morality is an objective thing. We don't know

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<v Speaker 4>it objectively. So there's a difference between morality's existence and

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<v Speaker 4>our ability to detect its existence, much like light. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>my eyes can't see ultraviolet light or infra red light.

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<v Speaker 4>That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means that

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<v Speaker 4>I can't see it just yet. But objectively it exists.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you get that, you know, you get to the

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<v Speaker 1>what I would consider it be the oxy moronic term

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<v Speaker 1>of relative morality.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, exactly right. And so relative morality is is oxymoronic,

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<v Speaker 4>exactly right, because you can't have a relative morality. It's

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<v Speaker 4>like you can't have a subjective objectivism. It's something subjective

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<v Speaker 4>or it's objective. Well, morality is, I believe objective. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think that actually makes sense on a worldview that's

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<v Speaker 4>based in faith, based in faith on God, because if

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<v Speaker 4>God is a personal being and morality is a personal

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<v Speaker 4>kind of a thing, and morality is transcendent. So for example,

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<v Speaker 4>it's always wrong to torture babies for fun, no matter

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<v Speaker 4>what your culture is or your religion is, it's always wrong,

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<v Speaker 4>even if it's.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always wrong to torture kittens or puppies as right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is all I mean really should agree.

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<v Speaker 4>On that, right, But it's true, and it's it's logically true.

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<v Speaker 4>It's based on an objective source and a transcendent source,

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<v Speaker 4>and a transcendent, objective personal source is exactly how we

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<v Speaker 4>define God. So that's why I think that that's important.

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<v Speaker 4>Why that factors into the AI conversation though, for me,

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<v Speaker 4>is that if you have something artificial and then you

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<v Speaker 4>start to suggest that maybe it's morality is just as

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<v Speaker 4>valid as human morality, well then what happens is you're

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<v Speaker 4>saying that morality becomes artificial, and so you're run into

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<v Speaker 4>these problems, Like you said, cheating on tests or plagiarizing

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<v Speaker 4>people's art or plays, writing people's work becomes more of

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<v Speaker 4>a convenience issues and a morality issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea, it becomes almost what can what can I get

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<v Speaker 1>away with? How can I do this so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to write that term paper, but I can reduce

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<v Speaker 1>a term paper which the high school teacher or the

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<v Speaker 1>college professor won't be able to distinguish.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, And and so some people are trying to trying

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<v Speaker 4>to develop artificial intelligence that can detect artificial intelligence at work,

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<v Speaker 4>like you know, cheating on papers and that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>There's plenty of upsides. I mean, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>upsides in terms of medical diagnoses and different breakthroughs with

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<v Speaker 4>ADHD and these kind of things. But so here's the thing, Dan,

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<v Speaker 4>is that I think I'm quoting somebody else who said

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<v Speaker 4>this that the issue is not with the with the

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<v Speaker 4>software itself is and what will we do with it?

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<v Speaker 4>Because the way he put it was human stupidity is

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<v Speaker 4>worse than artificial intelligence because we will do bad things

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<v Speaker 4>with these weapons. In one sense, well, we can do

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<v Speaker 4>great things with it. So really it's for me, it's

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<v Speaker 4>an issue of a heart check, it's a soul check.

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<v Speaker 4>What are we going to do with this thing? Can

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<v Speaker 4>we limit its development? Can we limit its uses? And

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's important for us to understand from a

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<v Speaker 4>moral standpoint, do how.

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<v Speaker 1>Can folks get more information on your website? Because we've

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<v Speaker 1>only scratched the surface of this argument, which is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost mathematical and philosophical and historical.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so they can go to yeah, so thanks dam

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<v Speaker 4>they can go to Embrace the truths all one word

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<v Speaker 4>dot o RG, lots of articles, lots of videos. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>writing a book on it. Actually, as we have we speak,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm writing a book on it that comes out next

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<v Speaker 4>year on artificial intelligence and various different ideas when it

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<v Speaker 4>comes to faith issues, but also just morality issues. So

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<v Speaker 4>look again, look out for that. But Embrace the Truth

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<v Speaker 4>dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's interesting just looking at your bio for folks

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<v Speaker 1>who may not know you. You have the You have

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<v Speaker 1>a BA in psychology from the University of Michigan, a

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<v Speaker 1>great school and at Arbor, and also a jd from

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Michigan Law schoo on Boston University Law School. Guy,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're you're a Michigander. So we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>hold that against job. Thank you so much. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that people go to Embrace the Truth dot org

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<v Speaker 1>because what you're saying I'm picking up on and I

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<v Speaker 1>hope some others.

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<v Speaker 2>Are as well. Okay, really good conversation, Thank you sir.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks good, all right, talking again.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get back going to talk about the Boston Public

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<v Speaker 1>Art Triennial coming to the city of Boston next to May,

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<v Speaker 1>what it means for residence, tourists, artists, businesses, and the

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<v Speaker 1>community at large. Is going to be talking about Kate Gilbert,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the executive director of the Boston Public Art Triennial.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that right after this quick break on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, about six months from now or so in May

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty five, which to one wave sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a long way off, but it's only six months.

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<v Speaker 1>We just have to get through the rest of fall,

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<v Speaker 1>wintering into the spring. The Boston Public Art Triennial. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're coming to the city of Boston and with us

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<v Speaker 1>as Kate Gilbert. Uh is it Gilbert or Gilbert?

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<v Speaker 6>I like Gilbert, but it is Gilbert, whatever you'd like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, we'll make you very French Canadian at this moment.

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<v Speaker 1>The Boston Public Art Triennial. First of all, I was

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<v Speaker 1>not familiar with the Boston Public Art Triennial. The Triennial,

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<v Speaker 1>I assume, means three hundred years.

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<v Speaker 6>It means every three years every three years, because yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>that's that's it's it's art speak for every three years.

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<v Speaker 6>So this organization has been around for about nine years.

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<v Speaker 6>Previously is now and there, So maybe it's that.

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<v Speaker 2>Bephore previously was what called now and there?

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<v Speaker 6>It is called now and there.

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<v Speaker 1>They're okay, well that's why probably now I see it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Boston Public Triennial. So tell us about this. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, it's all is going to be spread throughout the city,

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<v Speaker 2>as I understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, and is this the biggest since since this is

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<v Speaker 1>the ninth year, I'm guessing this is the fourth triennial,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're entering.

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<v Speaker 6>The organization is entering its tenth year, and in celebration

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<v Speaker 6>of that, we're putting on our first triennial.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye first, even more confused? Okay, all right, so this

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<v Speaker 1>is the first, which means that going forward, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to do this every three years.

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<v Speaker 6>Correct, So twenty second it will open and then we'll

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<v Speaker 6>look again for twenty twenty eight, twenty thirty one and beyond.

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<v Speaker 2>So the boss, so tell us tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 2>What what should people look to?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I want to make sure at the end

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about how people can get in touch with

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<v Speaker 1>you and get a lot more information than we can

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<v Speaker 1>candense in about five minutes we have left.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us, tell us what's the great?

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<v Speaker 6>So so, someone recently called a triennial the super Bowl

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<v Speaker 6>of the art world. So for your listeners who aren't

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<v Speaker 6>quite you know that up to spe with can temporary art.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe maybe.

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<v Speaker 6>Then it's talking about y okay. We are bringing in

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<v Speaker 6>local artists and international artists to really sort of show

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<v Speaker 6>their show, their show, their expertise. We're going to have sculptures.

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<v Speaker 6>It's all temporary, so you really need to come. You

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<v Speaker 6>need to be here between May twenty second and October

637
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<v Speaker 6>thirty first and it closes. Go these sculptures that are

638
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<v Speaker 6>made of hammered metal. We've got some things that are woven,

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<v Speaker 6>something made out of bronze. We've got light neon signs,

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00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.960
<v Speaker 6>even things like trees and nature that you might see

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<v Speaker 6>differently because of these artists coming in to really highlight

642
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.319
<v Speaker 6>everything we have here in Boston. Each artist is paired

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<v Speaker 6>with a local expert, so these are experts in social

644
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<v Speaker 6>social movements, science, medicine, sound, and we're really showcasing Boston's neighborhoods.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, we are a city of neighborhoods and we're

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<v Speaker 6>going to take that as a strength in this triennial.

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<v Speaker 6>And my hope is that audiences will come to eighteen

648
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<v Speaker 6>different locations we're in Charlestown or downtown, or in East

649
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<v Speaker 6>Boston or in Dorchester, Mattapan, Roxbury and really get a

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<v Speaker 6>new and sort of unique flavor of Boston.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we have, I forget how you want to cut

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<v Speaker 1>them off and everything, but there's about seventeen eighteen neighborhoods.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, you have on one end, You've

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<v Speaker 1>got Hyde Park in Reinville where I grew up. On

655
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<v Speaker 1>the other end again East Boston and Charlestown, and now

656
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:34.880
<v Speaker 1>you get the seaport, they'll be all over and so

657
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.840
<v Speaker 1>will it be moving. So the different communities will will

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, an artist plant whatever they're doing in

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<v Speaker 1>one section. And you said it's going to be there

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<v Speaker 1>from the twenty second of May until October thirty first,

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<v Speaker 1>by I mean the Red Sox will still be playing

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<v Speaker 1>in the World Series by October thirty first.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a long season. I know, I'm a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>an optimist, but you're talking out there nearly half a year.

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<v Speaker 1>So the the works of art move around. I assume

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<v Speaker 1>they'll be stationar. I mean people have to count with

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<v Speaker 1>the works.

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<v Speaker 6>Of art exactly. Most of the works will be will

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<v Speaker 6>be static. There'll be a couple of projects where people

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<v Speaker 6>can participate in printmaking, and those will be all around

671
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:19.760
<v Speaker 6>the city, almost like a scavenger hunt. You have to go,

672
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.199
<v Speaker 6>you know, try and find them. But for the most part,

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<v Speaker 6>eighteen projects in locations throughout the city. The museums are

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<v Speaker 6>also participating, So that's another four or five locations where

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00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:33.599
<v Speaker 6>you can expect free always free. You don't need a ticket,

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00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 6>public art outside for people to engage with, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>be inspired by question, you know, all the things that

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<v Speaker 6>art makes you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm interested in the printmaking. You're not talking about US currency.

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<v Speaker 3>I assume, Oh wouldn't that be nice?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh would be no?

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, Now, we're we're going to be encouraging people

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<v Speaker 6>to make statements and you know, posters that are really

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<v Speaker 6>important to them and their identity.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything like this in any other city or

686
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<v Speaker 1>how did this idea this cont come to mind?

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<v Speaker 6>So there are a couple other cities that are doing

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<v Speaker 6>these prospects. Is the name of one in New Orleans?

689
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<v Speaker 6>And Counter Republic in Saint Louis. This is the only

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<v Speaker 6>triennial of public art of its kind in the East Coast.

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<v Speaker 6>So this is really a first for Boston, and I

692
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.840
<v Speaker 6>think Boston is absolutely positioned to do something like this.

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<v Speaker 6>We have such you know, great tourism coming in, but

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<v Speaker 6>we also have such great audiences locally that want to

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<v Speaker 6>participate in contemporary art.

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<v Speaker 2>This is great, This is great, And I assume that

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<v Speaker 2>you have been involved in this for some time. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not something that has.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, Dan, I started this. You can blame me a

700
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.360
<v Speaker 6>long time ago. I was thank you a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 6>I was part of the Greenway Conservancy in the first

702
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:59.039
<v Speaker 6>ten people that helped bring the Greenway to life and

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00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:01.599
<v Speaker 6>the art there. And I love the Greenway. I'm a

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00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:03.079
<v Speaker 6>neighbor and I just want to see more of that

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00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.519
<v Speaker 6>throughout the city. So this first tri anial, people can

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<v Speaker 6>expect eighteen projects in those neighborhoods I mentioned. The next

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00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:13.079
<v Speaker 6>one will hit other neighborhoods, and as we go through this,

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<v Speaker 6>we want to be in every one of Boston's amazing neighborhoods,

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00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:23.639
<v Speaker 6>bringing in tourism, supporting locals and just you know, having

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00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.119
<v Speaker 6>a moment of wonder. I think so many of us

711
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:30.559
<v Speaker 6>are walking around I'm guilty of this, looking at our phones,

712
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:33.880
<v Speaker 6>looking at the ground, not connecting with each other. And

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00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:36.519
<v Speaker 6>in these times, just a great to come together and

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<v Speaker 6>have to celebrate.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, Kate Gilbert or Kate Gilbert, whichever

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<v Speaker 1>you would prefer, the executive director of the Boston Public

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<v Speaker 1>Art Triennial. I suspect that we'll have another opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>speak about this as we get a little closer to

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<v Speaker 1>the actual opening in May of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>So thanks a love, thank you, And.

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<v Speaker 1>It gives people the chance to focus a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe make sure that they'll becoming a Boston in some

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<v Speaker 1>form of fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>Many times.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, get out your walking shoes. The Triennial dot org.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the website is simply Boston Triennial dot org.

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<v Speaker 6>Is that what you said, It's simply the the Triennial

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<v Speaker 6>t r I E N N I A L dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect, Kate, Thank you so much, appreciate a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you again, Take care, good night.

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<v Speaker 1>When we get back, we are going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on in three communities that will have no

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<v Speaker 1>school tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is not snow alert or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the teachers have decided to walk the picket

737
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<v Speaker 1>line up in Beverly and Gloucester and Marblehead. We will

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it particularly, I'd love to hear from parents

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<v Speaker 1>in those communities. Causes some inconvenience, but we'll see what

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about it. Illegal strikes in three Boston communities

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<v Speaker 1>coming back right after the nine
