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Speaker 1: from eight until midnight. Rob Brooks, our producer, is back
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Speaker 1: after nine o'clock, and we have four guests lined up
Speaker 1: this hour on various and sundry topics. Some of them
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Speaker 1: of them are informative. It's a polpery sort of an
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Speaker 1: that for about a year and a half and it's
Speaker 1: worked out pretty well. A lot of different groups and
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Speaker 1: necessarily topics that we generated an hour's worth of discussion.
Speaker 1: We saved those for the nine to ten and the eleven,
Speaker 1: and tonight we will be talking about the teacher strikes
Speaker 1: that are going on in three communities here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: That's our great news for kids and great great news
Speaker 1: for their parents, no doubt, I'm sure that there are
Speaker 1: people of those communities Beverly, Marblehead and Gloucester who are upset.
Speaker 1: Maybe some of them don't want to say anything because
Speaker 1: they're afraid that it might impact their child's grades. I
Speaker 1: just think it's unfortunate that these sort of strikes occurred
Speaker 1: during the school year. I don't see why they copy
Speaker 1: resolved during the summer with arbitration and necessary binding arbitration strikes.
Speaker 1: Teacher strikes were illegal here in Massachusetts anyway.
Speaker 2: But we'll get to we'll get to all of that
Speaker 2: stuff later.
Speaker 1: We're going to start off with a really fun topic,
Speaker 1: literally a fun topic.
Speaker 2: Going to talk with Justine Sigal.
Speaker 1: Justin just five ways I can pronounce your last name,
Speaker 1: So give me the correct pronununciation if I haven't done
Speaker 1: it correctly.
Speaker 3: It's a seagull, SEAgel.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine, Okay, she is the co founder of
Speaker 1: the Women's Pro Baseball League and founder of Baseball for All. Well,
Speaker 1: welcome to Night's side. This is exciting news. Apparently by
Speaker 1: the year twenty twenty six, you hope to have a
Speaker 1: professional women's baseball league in action.
Speaker 2: Tell us about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're very excited to launch and as you said,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six will be the inaugural season and good
Speaker 3: news for Boston fans as we plan to be in
Speaker 3: the Northeast and we're still choosing where, but you know,
Speaker 3: we'll almost see in your neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Do you know where or no, I mean, have you
Speaker 1: have you you know, picked the locations.
Speaker 3: We're still determining which locations would be best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I'm assuming that even if you're in Boston,
Speaker 1: you're probably not going to be sharing Way Park with
Speaker 1: the Red Sox, that there'll be another location of some
Speaker 1: sort where people can will be able to find you.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, we plan to be in smaller stadiums, about
Speaker 3: twenty five hundred to five thousand.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 1: You know, hey, you have there's several of those those
Speaker 1: ballparks in the greater Boston area. And when you say
Speaker 1: the Northeast, can you leave, at least give us a
Speaker 1: description of the Northeast. Most of us will live in Boston, Justine,
Speaker 1: we think the Northeast is basically all within Route one
Speaker 1: twenty eight. But you probably have a more expanded view
Speaker 1: of the Northeast than those of us in Boston.
Speaker 2: Half correct.
Speaker 3: No, No, I used to work at Sport and Society
Speaker 3: at Northeastern, so about the world.
Speaker 1: Ends after that, we'd have absolutely no way.
Speaker 2: No, I'm only teasing.
Speaker 1: So, so you're talking about maybe a couple of teams
Speaker 1: in New England, and maybe a couple of teams and
Speaker 1: other Northeastern environments that are baseball centric. Oh, I think
Speaker 1: maybe New York, Philadelphia communities like that.
Speaker 3: We will see, but I can tell you that for
Speaker 3: the first year, we'll be moving by bus. Okay, so
Speaker 3: that's important to us.
Speaker 1: And yeah, necessary, I know I can understand that. Okay,
Speaker 1: So let me ask us. You know a lot more
Speaker 1: about women's baseball, and you may know a lot more
Speaker 1: about baseball than me, although I got a pretty good
Speaker 1: knowledge of baseball. I remember when Cores had a women's
Speaker 1: team that toured back in the mid nineties. They actually
Speaker 1: played at Faenway Park. They were called the Silver Bullets.
Speaker 1: You're probably too young to remember them. Do you have
Speaker 1: any knowledge of them?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I went to spring training with the Silver Bullets, so
Speaker 3: they I went down to the Red Sox spring training
Speaker 3: facility and played there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately I hurt my arms, so I didn't make the team.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We've all hurt our arms at some point. Trust man,
Speaker 1: it was a picture tree, so I know exactly what
Speaker 1: you mean. Anyway, I think Phil Nekro was the manager,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. What Maybe it was Phil, Maybe
Speaker 1: it was Joe Negro, It's one of the Negroes.
Speaker 3: It was Phil and Joe, both of them.
Speaker 1: Okay, they were both there, absolutely, Okay, now correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Did they play women's teams or were
Speaker 1: they playing? They were they were playing some men's teams.
Speaker 3: I thought as well, Yeah, the Silver Bullets they played
Speaker 3: men's teams. And so what makes you know the women's
Speaker 3: professional baseball leagues so exceptional is that we're going to
Speaker 3: have a women's BASEBA league of our own. And it's
Speaker 3: been seventy years since all the All American Girls Professional
Speaker 3: Baseball League, So seventy years is a big drought.
Speaker 2: No, I think it ready to come. I think it
Speaker 2: is great.
Speaker 1: And for those who do not understand this, I watched
Speaker 1: some of the Silver Bullets pitchers and they could they could,
Speaker 1: they could get it up there. They they had something
Speaker 1: on the ball. This is not slow pitch baseball. Trust
Speaker 1: me on that, folks.
Speaker 2: It's uh uh. You know, I'm asuming these pitchers were thrown.
Speaker 1: Somewhere in the high seventies, low eighties, or am I
Speaker 1: over over remembering.
Speaker 3: As we say, No, that's correct, low eighties, seventies, yeah,
Speaker 3: mid eighties.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And anybody thinks that's slow, try hitting something like that,
Speaker 1: you know, particularly if the ball's move And where will
Speaker 1: you find your players?
Speaker 2: I do know a little bit.
Speaker 1: I looked at your background a little bit, and I
Speaker 1: know that you have been You were a coach at
Speaker 1: one point with the Oakland A's and you actually were
Speaker 1: the first women to throw spring training batting practice.
Speaker 2: To the Cleveland Indians.
Speaker 1: And anyone who's thrown batting practice has to know that
Speaker 1: you've got to be pretty agile to throw the ball,
Speaker 1: get it where you want to get it to, and
Speaker 1: then duck behind the screen.
Speaker 3: Well, we're at the players. I mean, they're going to
Speaker 3: be mostly US players, but we're also looking internationally. We
Speaker 3: have a women's national team through USA Baseball, so we
Speaker 3: already know who the top twenty players in the country are.
Speaker 3: But we have five hundred at least five hundred players
Speaker 3: and our player pooro, you know, wanting information on how
Speaker 3: to try out. So uh, you know, it's we're going
Speaker 3: to start to the amazing talent, some that we knew
Speaker 3: of and some that's going to be brand new.
Speaker 2: So here's my question.
Speaker 1: Are there any colleges or high schools that have girls
Speaker 1: baseball teams? My daughter played softball in high school, but
Speaker 1: are there any you know, girls, Where do you find players?
Speaker 1: Because obviously, in order to develop a skill, you got
Speaker 1: to play against other people. So where where are these
Speaker 1: players coming from?
Speaker 3: Most of the girls who play baseball they play with
Speaker 3: the boys. They did, okay, thousands of girls playing baseball
Speaker 3: at the boys across the country. You even have a
Speaker 3: girls program in Boston called the Boston Slammers. And therefore
Speaker 3: all ages and we have eight women are playing at
Speaker 3: college level with the men, and about two thousand girls
Speaker 3: playing high school baseball. And that's just here in the US.
Speaker 3: And you're talking in Japan and Mexico and so on.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, they play with the boys, but the dreams
Speaker 3: to play with the you know, with the girls and
Speaker 3: play with the women and have a pro league.
Speaker 2: So how long is schedule? The first season, the inaugural
Speaker 2: season twenty twenty six? Are you talking.
Speaker 1: About sixty games? I mean, you're not talking about one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two games. I'm assuming.
Speaker 3: No, we're starting off with a summer league, so you're
Speaker 3: looking at more forty games to summer. They can also
Speaker 3: capture the college athlete as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent.
Speaker 1: So if anyone has an interest in either trying out
Speaker 1: or getting more information, either as a fan or whatever,
Speaker 1: is there a website we can direct people to.
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, Women's Pro Baseball League dot com?
Speaker 1: Perfect, Women's no apostrophe or is there an apostrophe in
Speaker 1: their pro baseball free?
Speaker 3: Women's Probaseball League dot com?
Speaker 2: Perfect?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Justine, best of luck. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: watching you play two summers from now, and I think
Speaker 1: it's great. I really do think it's great. I love
Speaker 1: watching college women's college softball, and I mean they do
Speaker 1: amazing things with that ball underhand and at fifty two
Speaker 1: feet or whatever the mound is that ball moves around,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you gotta have some real interesting games,
Speaker 1: and we'll keep we'll keep you posted, or you keep
Speaker 1: us posting, and I'd love to have you back, and
Speaker 1: maybe we'll have you back some night and take some
Speaker 1: phone calls from listeners because I think baseball is still
Speaker 1: America's pastime.
Speaker 2: It's great that women are getting involved in it at
Speaker 2: this level. It's going to be fabulous. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: All right, Justine Siegel, co founder of the Women's Pro
Speaker 2: Baseball League.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're going to talk with a
Speaker 1: movie producer about a film called Silent Dignity, six part
Speaker 1: docuseries raising up veterans' voices to tell their stories to
Speaker 1: promote healing. And of course we could not have picked
Speaker 1: a better night. This is Veteran's Day and so this
Speaker 1: is Veterans Day night, and we'll be talking with the
Speaker 1: producer of that film, who also I believe appears in it.
Speaker 1: Right after this break here on Nightside. Now back to
Speaker 1: Dan ray Line from the Window World.
Speaker 4: Night Side Studios on wb Z to news Radio.
Speaker 1: I want to welcome to the program, Wayne Sores. Wayne
Speaker 1: is a producer. He's also an actor. From Western Massachusetts
Speaker 1: and he is putting together a docuseriies raising up veterans'
Speaker 1: voices to tell their stories to promote healing. The docuseries
Speaker 1: is called Silent Dignity. Wayne, Welcome to Nightside. How are you, sir?
Speaker 5: I'm doing very well, Dan, Thank you so much for
Speaker 5: having me on the program.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for the enthusiasm in your voice. I
Speaker 1: love enthusiastic guests. Tell us about the idea and the
Speaker 1: series and how it has come to be and it
Speaker 1: is still a work in progress as if I if I'm.
Speaker 5: Correct, Yes, it's still I created this about started storyboarding
Speaker 5: about two about two years ago and had an opportunity
Speaker 5: to bring on somebody that I did some film work
Speaker 5: with armand De Sante and they award winning, Golden Globe
Speaker 5: winning actor and he was just embraced it tremendously and
Speaker 5: has equally the passion that I have. And what we
Speaker 5: did in episode one, Dan was we we this is
Speaker 5: about our Vietnam veterans and really kind of welcoming them home.
Speaker 5: They never got the appropriate you know, parade, or they
Speaker 5: came home to scorn and ridicule, and so what we've
Speaker 5: tried to do is show the the bring out the
Speaker 5: emotion of what the men and women that served in Vietnam,
Speaker 5: what they went through. And and in our second episode
Speaker 5: right now that we're in the midst of we really
Speaker 5: want to bring awareness to PTSD. Uh, it's horrible, horrible, horrible,
Speaker 5: as well as Agent Orange and the effects that it
Speaker 5: had on our Vietnam veterans.
Speaker 2: So took a lot of lives.
Speaker 1: They used to call it in World War Two shell
Speaker 1: shock exactly. It's got the PTSD characterization. So is this
Speaker 1: it's going to be as I understand that the plan
Speaker 1: is to be a six part series documentary correct.
Speaker 5: Yes, correct, yep, documentary series.
Speaker 2: And is it focused on the Vietnam era veterans?
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, yes, we wanted from from We're going to
Speaker 5: be doing stuff on the service dogs that went over there.
Speaker 5: People don't realize that almost four thousand dogs went over
Speaker 5: during during the Vietnam Era and very very very few
Speaker 5: came home. I believe about four hundred dogs came home.
Speaker 5: We want to do a combat nurses, which were which
Speaker 5: were just a huge part of anybody that got the wounded,
Speaker 5: the donut dollies. We've got to We've got a segment
Speaker 5: on them. They were the people, the women that reached
Speaker 5: their their lives, going around to make soldiers lives better
Speaker 5: with just their enthusiasm and and making them fee relaxed.
Speaker 5: So we've we've got a kind of a potfolry of
Speaker 5: things that were were going to be including in this series.
Speaker 1: Now the service dogs that everyone is interested in service dogs.
Speaker 1: My understanding is that they were often used going down
Speaker 1: what was called spider holes. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5: Exactly that's exactly right. You know, obviously they had the
Speaker 5: tunnel rats, but the dogs, the dogs were were fearless,
Speaker 5: and uh, the the enemy in Vietnam was was was
Speaker 5: really really afraid of them. And when the dog was
Speaker 5: was was killed, they gave them a burial exactly like
Speaker 5: they were a soldier, which which I think is really
Speaker 5: a testament to the to the courage, you know, the
Speaker 5: of the dogs that were over there.
Speaker 1: Wow, what was the genesis of this? How did this
Speaker 1: idea come to you? And how did it? Is this
Speaker 1: something you've thought about for a while or something that
Speaker 1: has been of just reason?
Speaker 5: Well it wasn't, I think dn we all have those.
Speaker 5: But my my grandfather was my idol was no longer
Speaker 5: with US. He was in World War Two Navy, UH
Speaker 5: veteran in the CDs. And when I started to to
Speaker 5: look at different things, I kicked myself because I think
Speaker 5: we all do it to cheese. I should have I
Speaker 5: should have asked my grandfather. I should have asked, you know,
Speaker 5: my my uncle, you know what it was like? And
Speaker 5: he never really talked about it. That was the that generation,
Speaker 5: the greatest generation. They never they never talked about it.
Speaker 5: But once in a while when he when he got
Speaker 5: a few pops in him, he would open up just
Speaker 5: a little bit, but not much. And I think that
Speaker 5: was that was really the trademark of of the men
Speaker 5: and women that that did serve in that. But I
Speaker 5: I love the storyboard. I'm a writer. I have a
Speaker 5: syndicated column that goes out to any outlets around the
Speaker 5: country called Veterans Spotlight. So I just wanted to really
Speaker 5: kind of build on that. And I was sitting home here,
Speaker 5: I watch a lot of video on Bob Hope, and
Speaker 5: I thought that there might be something that I could,
Speaker 5: you know, compile and and put together in my first
Speaker 5: series that I did you.
Speaker 1: Talk about you talking about Bob Hope with the USO
Speaker 1: Tours of Vietnam, Bob Hope andt I Margret.
Speaker 5: Yes, oh yes, yes, yes, Rockel Welch and then you
Speaker 5: know just litany of people that he took and I
Speaker 5: just became just so the focused and and I couldn't
Speaker 5: ensconced in trying to make something that that we could
Speaker 5: really use to help not showcases a bad word, but
Speaker 5: kind of give tribute to to our to our veterans.
Speaker 5: It started with our World War two vets, and then
Speaker 5: I just came up with the idea that we should
Speaker 5: do something for our via non dettors, because if you
Speaker 5: look at every part of our history, excuse me, Vietnam
Speaker 5: vennorans really get they got absolutely nothing when when they
Speaker 5: came home, and they really got the short end of
Speaker 5: the stick.
Speaker 1: Now, minunderstanding is that there's a way. Do you have
Speaker 1: some trailers that people can start to look at or
Speaker 1: what how how can people get a sense of uh,
Speaker 1: you know what this will eventually become. And minderstanding is
Speaker 1: that you're hoping that it's going to be available on
Speaker 1: one of the cable network channels. I'm sure that you
Speaker 1: probably are talking to cable network channels about this.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, we actually have a studio that's I'm not
Speaker 5: at liberty to say right now, but they're very interested there.
Speaker 5: They do a lot of inspirational films and movies and
Speaker 5: documentaries and this would fit this, This is a perfect
Speaker 5: fit for their puzzle. But you can go to our
Speaker 5: website and you can see clips and trailers Silentdignity dot Us,
Speaker 5: Silent Dignity dot Us and that's some great piece that
Speaker 5: Armand does. A does a beautiful, beautiful introduction, and in
Speaker 5: episode two we really have some very very powerful, powerful
Speaker 5: interviews and I think that that people will this is
Speaker 5: very educational, excuse me, very educational. It's extremely informative, but
Speaker 5: most of all, it's very patriotic. Where this is not
Speaker 5: an anti military nothing of that sort. We just want
Speaker 5: to be able to go ahead and give the welcome
Speaker 5: home that our Vietnam veterans truly deserve.
Speaker 1: Well, the Vietnam veterans or men and women who are
Speaker 1: now well into their seventies or all in their seventies.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you do the math, it's pretty simple.
Speaker 1: And just as there's only a handful of World War
Speaker 1: Two veterans who are still alive, I think that numbers
Speaker 1: down to like below five hundred Korean War veterans are
Speaker 1: also of you know, sort of a middle generation there.
Speaker 1: But when you think about, you know, Vietnam veterans, you
Speaker 1: would have some that you know, could be as old
Speaker 1: as eighty, but a lot of them are going to
Speaker 1: be in their mid seventies, and you know, this is
Speaker 1: this is the time to give them the respect and
Speaker 1: the welcome home that they never received. So the website
Speaker 1: again is Silentdignity dot us and some of the final
Speaker 1: cuts that you know, one at least one part is there.
Speaker 1: These are not long presentations. I think the other day
Speaker 1: you told me twenty eight twenty nine minutes.
Speaker 5: Exactly, yep, exactly. It's it's the short documentary. But again
Speaker 5: we compile, you know everything, We just look to make
Speaker 5: this a series. And along the lines, you and you
Speaker 5: talk about World War two vets. A good friend of mine,
Speaker 5: if I could just give a shout out, he was
Speaker 5: a one hundred and two years he's one hundred and
Speaker 5: two years old. I spend just about every Saturday with him.
Speaker 5: I've spent a lot of holidays with him. My buddy,
Speaker 5: Chizo Masaconi. He lives in Cheshire, Massachusetts. He's one hundred
Speaker 5: and two he was at Pearl Harbor. He's an army
Speaker 5: veteran Pearl Harbor. After the attack, they came in four
Speaker 5: months later, and then he was at the Battle of Saipan,
Speaker 5: and then he spent eight months on Iwo Jima. He's
Speaker 5: one hundred and two years old and still his faculties.
Speaker 5: The only thing going on is his knees, and he's
Speaker 5: too old for a knee transplant, but loves to have
Speaker 5: an occasional glass of wine and great spirits and a big,
Speaker 5: big baseball fan.
Speaker 2: So his first name again is what.
Speaker 5: Is Cheezo h ee as in sam Oh, it's it's destrord,
Speaker 5: abbreviated for at Narciso, which is Narciso in Italian? Is Charlie?
Speaker 2: All right, Cheezo?
Speaker 1: Well, happy one hundred and two, Chiezo, and hopefully there's
Speaker 1: many more to come. I really love the interview of
Speaker 1: your enthusiasm, Wayne. I know it's going to be a success.
Speaker 1: Please keep in touch with us and if we can
Speaker 1: do anything along the way, you know, periodically as you're
Speaker 1: making some news here and getting some breaks. I think
Speaker 1: this is a perfect a lot of these uh you
Speaker 1: know series, these these cable networks, they need good, positive presentations.
Speaker 1: And I think that the Vietnam era veterans certainly did,
Speaker 1: as you said, get the short end of the stick.
Speaker 1: And now it's time to at least acknowledge. They might
Speaker 1: not have been involved in a popular war, but but
Speaker 1: they went and they served, and it's something that we
Speaker 1: now appreciate as a society much more than perhaps we
Speaker 1: did back in the day.
Speaker 5: Thanks so much, thank you, thank you for saying that.
Speaker 5: I'd like to really quickly say thank you to armand
Speaker 5: Decante and the guy that put us together. Are a
Speaker 5: good town, Mark Lund so good.
Speaker 1: I once worked with Mark, or I should say I
Speaker 1: worked for Mark, so it's a great friend of mine.
Speaker 2: And he spoke very.
Speaker 1: Highly of you, and and you you fulfill all of
Speaker 1: my expectations. Thanks for your passion on this. You were
Speaker 1: destined for success. With this great success. Thank you waye
Speaker 1: appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much. Thank you, Daan, my pleasure.
Speaker 1: We come back on to talk about artificial intelligence with
Speaker 1: a fellow named Abdu Murray. It is the pros, the cons,
Speaker 1: the morality and the pitfalls of artificial intelligence. We will
Speaker 1: cover it all right after this break on night Side.
Speaker 1: It's coming up a little bit after. This's eight thirty two.
Speaker 1: We're a little late for the news, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: It's Veterans Day. My name is Dan Ray. You're listening
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Speaker 1: Well, in the next few years, all of us are
Speaker 1: going to learn a lot about artificial intelligence. With me
Speaker 1: is Abdul Murray. I'm not sure if abdou if this
Speaker 1: is a website. It's called Embrace the Truth. First of all,
Speaker 1: I want you to explain to me what Embrace the
Speaker 1: Truth is, and then let's talk about the pros, the
Speaker 1: cons and the morality and pitfalls of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Knightside, amdu oh Dan.
Speaker 4: It's great to be with you. Thanks for having me on,
Speaker 4: and so Embrace The Truth is that organization that I
Speaker 4: founded twenty years ago, and it is actually the website
Speaker 4: as well. It's embraced the truth dot org. And what
Speaker 4: we're basically about and what I do is I'm a
Speaker 4: lawyer by training. I went to law school with a
Speaker 4: commercial litigator, complex business litigation, that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 4: I speak about Christian worldview in light of contemporary culture
Speaker 4: and big issues like artificial intelligence, like morality, like all
Speaker 4: these kind of things from a Christian perspective. And I
Speaker 4: speak in university and kind of ps second places. So
Speaker 4: you're just trying to see the intersection of faith and culture,
Speaker 4: and of course a I on everyone's mind, so that's
Speaker 4: what is on my mind as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, So so you come to it not only with
Speaker 1: the legal background. I'm a lawyer as well, uh, from
Speaker 1: a legal background, but also.
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, there's nothing wrong with that. It's
Speaker 2: been it's been very good. No.
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed, uh it both as a practicing attorney and
Speaker 1: elsewhere as an investigative journalist for for many years, uh,
Speaker 1: in television.
Speaker 2: So you have a faith perspective as well.
Speaker 1: Many people think that lawyers don't have any we don't
Speaker 1: have a great reverydation, but many of us do.
Speaker 2: Uh, and I would be in that category with you.
Speaker 1: So now so, so the the presentation is the pros,
Speaker 1: the cons, the morality and the pitfalls of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: I don't think I.
Speaker 1: Understand artifical I think I have a basic understanding of it.
Speaker 1: But I don't think I understand artificial intelligence to even
Speaker 1: understand pros, cons, morality and pitfalls other than my question
Speaker 1: has always been how are teachers and college professors going
Speaker 1: to figure out whether that essay or that term paper
Speaker 1: or that thesis was actually written or ripped off by
Speaker 1: a college student or a grad student. But tell me,
Speaker 1: in probably a more more sophisticated language that I could
Speaker 1: produce what we need to be concerned about.
Speaker 4: Well, the first thing we need to do is make
Speaker 4: sure we define our terms, because oftentimes we think of
Speaker 4: artificial intelligence. Many researchers will tell you that the term
Speaker 4: is so broad that it's almost useless now because when
Speaker 4: we think of artificial intelligence in the sci fi world,
Speaker 4: we think of the terminator, or we think of the
Speaker 4: machine like in the matrix, that are coming to get
Speaker 4: us and pick over the world because they have like
Speaker 4: a human level artificial intelligence, and the reality is is
Speaker 4: that's what's called artificial general intelligence, and that's a goal
Speaker 4: for a lot of researchers and developers, but.
Speaker 2: We're hoping they never reached that goal. By the way,
Speaker 2: as far as I desire to stay that.
Speaker 4: Abdu Well, that's one of the pitfalls is that there's
Speaker 4: a thing called the value problem. And one of the
Speaker 4: things in the value problem is that if you create
Speaker 4: something that has human level intelligence or even greater, and
Speaker 4: then it has it's called a recursive improvement cycle, where
Speaker 4: it just keeps getting better at getting better, it will
Speaker 4: eventually past us at a bunch of different tasks. So
Speaker 4: a lot of researchers are asking the question. The question
Speaker 4: they're asking is if something achieves or we achieve some
Speaker 4: kind of human level intelligence for this thing that doesn't
Speaker 4: have the same concerns we have, who's to say that
Speaker 4: its objectives will line up with with morality, with human morality?
Speaker 4: Who's to say that? And sip with well, no one's
Speaker 4: to say that, because it might come up with its
Speaker 4: own idea.
Speaker 1: And then of course you get into the philosophical argument
Speaker 1: of what is morality and what is human morality?
Speaker 2: And how is it expressed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so this comes to me, This comes back
Speaker 4: down to from my faith perspective, and I think there's
Speaker 4: also a philosophical thing in respective of my particular faith preference.
Speaker 4: But when it comes down to this to me is
Speaker 4: I think morality is an objective thing. We don't know
Speaker 4: it objectively. So there's a difference between morality's existence and
Speaker 4: our ability to detect its existence, much like light. You know,
Speaker 4: my eyes can't see ultraviolet light or infra red light.
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means that
Speaker 4: I can't see it just yet. But objectively it exists.
Speaker 1: Well you get that, you know, you get to the
Speaker 1: what I would consider it be the oxy moronic term
Speaker 1: of relative morality.
Speaker 4: Right, exactly right. And so relative morality is is oxymoronic,
Speaker 4: exactly right, because you can't have a relative morality. It's
Speaker 4: like you can't have a subjective objectivism. It's something subjective
Speaker 4: or it's objective. Well, morality is, I believe objective. And
Speaker 4: I think that actually makes sense on a worldview that's
Speaker 4: based in faith, based in faith on God, because if
Speaker 4: God is a personal being and morality is a personal
Speaker 4: kind of a thing, and morality is transcendent. So for example,
Speaker 4: it's always wrong to torture babies for fun, no matter
Speaker 4: what your culture is or your religion is, it's always wrong,
Speaker 4: even if it's.
Speaker 1: It's always wrong to torture kittens or puppies as right,
Speaker 1: I mean, is all I mean really should agree.
Speaker 4: On that, right, But it's true, and it's it's logically true.
Speaker 4: It's based on an objective source and a transcendent source,
Speaker 4: and a transcendent, objective personal source is exactly how we
Speaker 4: define God. So that's why I think that that's important.
Speaker 4: Why that factors into the AI conversation though, for me,
Speaker 4: is that if you have something artificial and then you
Speaker 4: start to suggest that maybe it's morality is just as
Speaker 4: valid as human morality, well then what happens is you're
Speaker 4: saying that morality becomes artificial, and so you're run into
Speaker 4: these problems, Like you said, cheating on tests or plagiarizing
Speaker 4: people's art or plays, writing people's work becomes more of
Speaker 4: a convenience issues and a morality issue.
Speaker 1: Yea, it becomes almost what can what can I get
Speaker 1: away with? How can I do this so I don't
Speaker 1: have to write that term paper, but I can reduce
Speaker 1: a term paper which the high school teacher or the
Speaker 1: college professor won't be able to distinguish.
Speaker 4: Right, And and so some people are trying to trying
Speaker 4: to develop artificial intelligence that can detect artificial intelligence at work,
Speaker 4: like you know, cheating on papers and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: There's plenty of upsides. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 4: upsides in terms of medical diagnoses and different breakthroughs with
Speaker 4: ADHD and these kind of things. But so here's the thing, Dan,
Speaker 4: is that I think I'm quoting somebody else who said
Speaker 4: this that the issue is not with the with the
Speaker 4: software itself is and what will we do with it?
Speaker 4: Because the way he put it was human stupidity is
Speaker 4: worse than artificial intelligence because we will do bad things
Speaker 4: with these weapons. In one sense, well, we can do
Speaker 4: great things with it. So really it's for me, it's
Speaker 4: an issue of a heart check, it's a soul check.
Speaker 4: What are we going to do with this thing? Can
Speaker 4: we limit its development? Can we limit its uses? And
Speaker 4: I think that's important for us to understand from a
Speaker 4: moral standpoint, do how.
Speaker 1: Can folks get more information on your website? Because we've
Speaker 1: only scratched the surface of this argument, which is you know,
Speaker 1: it's almost mathematical and philosophical and historical.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they can go to yeah, so thanks dam
Speaker 4: they can go to Embrace the truths all one word
Speaker 4: dot o RG, lots of articles, lots of videos. I'm
Speaker 4: writing a book on it. Actually, as we have we speak,
Speaker 4: I'm writing a book on it that comes out next
Speaker 4: year on artificial intelligence and various different ideas when it
Speaker 4: comes to faith issues, but also just morality issues. So
Speaker 4: look again, look out for that. But Embrace the Truth
Speaker 4: dot org.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting just looking at your bio for folks
Speaker 1: who may not know you. You have the You have
Speaker 1: a BA in psychology from the University of Michigan, a
Speaker 1: great school and at Arbor, and also a jd from
Speaker 1: the University of Michigan Law schoo on Boston University Law School. Guy,
Speaker 1: so you're you're a Michigander. So we're not going to
Speaker 1: hold that against job. Thank you so much. And I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that people go to Embrace the Truth dot org
Speaker 1: because what you're saying I'm picking up on and I
Speaker 1: hope some others.
Speaker 2: Are as well. Okay, really good conversation, Thank you sir.
Speaker 4: Thanks good, all right, talking again.
Speaker 1: We'll get back going to talk about the Boston Public
Speaker 1: Art Triennial coming to the city of Boston next to May,
Speaker 1: what it means for residence, tourists, artists, businesses, and the
Speaker 1: community at large. Is going to be talking about Kate Gilbert,
Speaker 1: who is the executive director of the Boston Public Art Triennial.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that right after this quick break on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios.
Speaker 2: I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 1: Well, about six months from now or so in May
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five, which to one wave sounds like
Speaker 1: it's a long way off, but it's only six months.
Speaker 1: We just have to get through the rest of fall,
Speaker 1: wintering into the spring. The Boston Public Art Triennial. Well,
Speaker 1: we're coming to the city of Boston and with us
Speaker 1: as Kate Gilbert. Uh is it Gilbert or Gilbert?
Speaker 6: I like Gilbert, but it is Gilbert, whatever you'd like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we'll make you very French Canadian at this moment.
Speaker 1: The Boston Public Art Triennial. First of all, I was
Speaker 1: not familiar with the Boston Public Art Triennial. The Triennial,
Speaker 1: I assume, means three hundred years.
Speaker 6: It means every three years every three years, because yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's that's it's it's art speak for every three years.
Speaker 6: So this organization has been around for about nine years.
Speaker 6: Previously is now and there, So maybe it's that.
Speaker 2: Bephore previously was what called now and there?
Speaker 6: It is called now and there.
Speaker 1: They're okay, well that's why probably now I see it. Okay,
Speaker 1: Boston Public Triennial. So tell us about this. This is
Speaker 1: a big deal.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's all is going to be spread throughout the city,
Speaker 2: as I understand it.
Speaker 1: Uh, and is this the biggest since since this is
Speaker 1: the ninth year, I'm guessing this is the fourth triennial,
Speaker 1: So we're entering.
Speaker 6: The organization is entering its tenth year, and in celebration
Speaker 6: of that, we're putting on our first triennial.
Speaker 1: Ye first, even more confused? Okay, all right, so this
Speaker 1: is the first, which means that going forward, you're.
Speaker 2: Going to do this every three years.
Speaker 6: Correct, So twenty second it will open and then we'll
Speaker 6: look again for twenty twenty eight, twenty thirty one and beyond.
Speaker 2: So the boss, so tell us tell us about it.
Speaker 2: What what should people look to?
Speaker 1: And then I want to make sure at the end
Speaker 1: we talk about how people can get in touch with
Speaker 1: you and get a lot more information than we can
Speaker 1: candense in about five minutes we have left.
Speaker 2: Tell us, tell us what's the great?
Speaker 6: So so, someone recently called a triennial the super Bowl
Speaker 6: of the art world. So for your listeners who aren't
Speaker 6: quite you know that up to spe with can temporary art.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe.
Speaker 6: Then it's talking about y okay. We are bringing in
Speaker 6: local artists and international artists to really sort of show
Speaker 6: their show, their show, their expertise. We're going to have sculptures.
Speaker 6: It's all temporary, so you really need to come. You
Speaker 6: need to be here between May twenty second and October
Speaker 6: thirty first and it closes. Go these sculptures that are
Speaker 6: made of hammered metal. We've got some things that are woven,
Speaker 6: something made out of bronze. We've got light neon signs,
Speaker 6: even things like trees and nature that you might see
Speaker 6: differently because of these artists coming in to really highlight
Speaker 6: everything we have here in Boston. Each artist is paired
Speaker 6: with a local expert, so these are experts in social
Speaker 6: social movements, science, medicine, sound, and we're really showcasing Boston's neighborhoods.
Speaker 6: You know, we are a city of neighborhoods and we're
Speaker 6: going to take that as a strength in this triennial.
Speaker 6: And my hope is that audiences will come to eighteen
Speaker 6: different locations we're in Charlestown or downtown, or in East
Speaker 6: Boston or in Dorchester, Mattapan, Roxbury and really get a
Speaker 6: new and sort of unique flavor of Boston.
Speaker 1: Well we have, I forget how you want to cut
Speaker 1: them off and everything, but there's about seventeen eighteen neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you have on one end, You've
Speaker 1: got Hyde Park in Reinville where I grew up. On
Speaker 1: the other end again East Boston and Charlestown, and now
Speaker 1: you get the seaport, they'll be all over and so
Speaker 1: will it be moving. So the different communities will will
Speaker 1: a you know, an artist plant whatever they're doing in
Speaker 1: one section. And you said it's going to be there
Speaker 1: from the twenty second of May until October thirty first,
Speaker 1: by I mean the Red Sox will still be playing
Speaker 1: in the World Series by October thirty first.
Speaker 2: That's a long season. I know, I'm a bit of
Speaker 2: an optimist, but you're talking out there nearly half a year.
Speaker 1: So the the works of art move around. I assume
Speaker 1: they'll be stationar. I mean people have to count with
Speaker 1: the works.
Speaker 6: Of art exactly. Most of the works will be will
Speaker 6: be static. There'll be a couple of projects where people
Speaker 6: can participate in printmaking, and those will be all around
Speaker 6: the city, almost like a scavenger hunt. You have to go,
Speaker 6: you know, try and find them. But for the most part,
Speaker 6: eighteen projects in locations throughout the city. The museums are
Speaker 6: also participating, So that's another four or five locations where
Speaker 6: you can expect free always free. You don't need a ticket,
Speaker 6: public art outside for people to engage with, you know,
Speaker 6: be inspired by question, you know, all the things that
Speaker 6: art makes you.
Speaker 2: I'm interested in the printmaking. You're not talking about US currency.
Speaker 3: I assume, Oh wouldn't that be nice?
Speaker 2: Oh would be no?
Speaker 6: No, no, Now, we're we're going to be encouraging people
Speaker 6: to make statements and you know, posters that are really
Speaker 6: important to them and their identity.
Speaker 1: Is there anything like this in any other city or
Speaker 1: how did this idea this cont come to mind?
Speaker 6: So there are a couple other cities that are doing
Speaker 6: these prospects. Is the name of one in New Orleans?
Speaker 6: And Counter Republic in Saint Louis. This is the only
Speaker 6: triennial of public art of its kind in the East Coast.
Speaker 6: So this is really a first for Boston, and I
Speaker 6: think Boston is absolutely positioned to do something like this.
Speaker 6: We have such you know, great tourism coming in, but
Speaker 6: we also have such great audiences locally that want to
Speaker 6: participate in contemporary art.
Speaker 2: This is great, This is great, And I assume that
Speaker 2: you have been involved in this for some time. This
Speaker 2: is not something that has.
Speaker 6: Well, Dan, I started this. You can blame me a
Speaker 6: long time ago. I was thank you a long time ago.
Speaker 6: I was part of the Greenway Conservancy in the first
Speaker 6: ten people that helped bring the Greenway to life and
Speaker 6: the art there. And I love the Greenway. I'm a
Speaker 6: neighbor and I just want to see more of that
Speaker 6: throughout the city. So this first tri anial, people can
Speaker 6: expect eighteen projects in those neighborhoods I mentioned. The next
Speaker 6: one will hit other neighborhoods, and as we go through this,
Speaker 6: we want to be in every one of Boston's amazing neighborhoods,
Speaker 6: bringing in tourism, supporting locals and just you know, having
Speaker 6: a moment of wonder. I think so many of us
Speaker 6: are walking around I'm guilty of this, looking at our phones,
Speaker 6: looking at the ground, not connecting with each other. And
Speaker 6: in these times, just a great to come together and
Speaker 6: have to celebrate.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Kate Gilbert or Kate Gilbert, whichever
Speaker 1: you would prefer, the executive director of the Boston Public
Speaker 1: Art Triennial. I suspect that we'll have another opportunity to
Speaker 1: speak about this as we get a little closer to
Speaker 1: the actual opening in May of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: So thanks a love, thank you, And.
Speaker 1: It gives people the chance to focus a little bit,
Speaker 1: maybe make sure that they'll becoming a Boston in some
Speaker 1: form of fashion.
Speaker 2: Many times.
Speaker 6: Yeah, get out your walking shoes. The Triennial dot org.
Speaker 6: Thanks yeah.
Speaker 2: So the website is simply Boston Triennial dot org.
Speaker 6: Is that what you said, It's simply the the Triennial
Speaker 6: t r I E N N I A L dot org.
Speaker 2: Perfect, Kate, Thank you so much, appreciate a lot.
Speaker 6: Thank you again, Take care, good night.
Speaker 1: When we get back, we are going to talk about
Speaker 1: what's going on in three communities that will have no
Speaker 1: school tomorrow.
Speaker 2: And this is not snow alert or anything.
Speaker 1: This is the teachers have decided to walk the picket
Speaker 1: line up in Beverly and Gloucester and Marblehead. We will
Speaker 1: talk about it particularly, I'd love to hear from parents
Speaker 1: in those communities. Causes some inconvenience, but we'll see what
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it. Illegal strikes in three Boston communities
Speaker 1: coming back right after the nine