Speaker 1: Atlantis, a lost continent that allegedly sank beneath the waves.
Speaker 1: Ancient Greek manuscripts written by Plato are the myths source.
Speaker 1: But what if the story we think we know is wrong.
Speaker 1: For the first time, fresh research and new translations are
Speaker 1: revealing long misunderstood facts that transform Atlantis from fantasy into
Speaker 1: an incredible reality. Join me on a journey across continents
Speaker 1: and centuries as together we uncover the truth behind the
Speaker 1: Atlantis Puzzle.
Speaker 2: That's the trailer to the Atlantis Puzzle with host Jack Kelly.
Speaker 2: We had Jack on the program last October promoting this
Speaker 2: documentary that features my guest today, George Serantidus. He was
Speaker 2: coming to us from Greece, from Athens, Greece, actually, and
Speaker 2: we're going to be talking to him about his decipherment
Speaker 2: of the Plato classic, the Timaeus Dialogues, where he describes
Speaker 2: in very detailed descriptions, in a great deal of detail,
Speaker 2: the people of Atlantis, the rise in the fall of Atlantis,
Speaker 2: and we're going to learn just how this interpretation leads
Speaker 2: to a whole new geography of the location, the actual
Speaker 2: what he believes is the resting place of Atlantis. Today. Hey,
Speaker 2: this is Cliff, your host of Earth Ancients. I hope
Speaker 2: you're doing well today. And I got to tell you
Speaker 2: I have been waiting to speak with George for almost
Speaker 2: a year. I actually wanted to speak with him before
Speaker 2: I got Jack, but Jack Kelly, the writer producer of
Speaker 2: The Atlantis Puzzle, wanted to promote his presentation first. I
Speaker 2: believe to date he has over half a million views
Speaker 2: on YouTube. By the way, at the end of this interview,
Speaker 2: I'm suggesting people go to YouTube and find The Atlanti's
Speaker 2: Puzzle to see the whole thing. It's an hour and
Speaker 2: thirty minute documentary with ads. If you want to avoid
Speaker 2: the ads, you can actually see the whole thing on
Speaker 2: the atlantispuzzle dot com. I think he's charging a couple
Speaker 2: of bucks to see it uninterrupted, so that's something to consider.
Speaker 2: Today we're going to talk about the parent location that
Speaker 2: Plato talked about, and it happens to be in West Africa.
Speaker 2: And this is something that has been discussed and featured
Speaker 2: in a number of individual documentaries, YouTube presentations, as well
Speaker 2: as numerous podcasts and radio, radio and TV programs. The
Speaker 2: location of this so called ancient city and country is Africa,
Speaker 2: and this is what we're talking about today. But the
Speaker 2: most interesting aspect of this thought or theory, I should say,
Speaker 2: is a location called the Ratchet structure, and this is
Speaker 2: these concentric circles that are approximately twenty five miles in diameter.
Speaker 2: And that doesn't sound like a lot. And I think
Speaker 2: this is one of the weak weaknesses the week links
Speaker 2: of this entire theory is that if you have temples
Speaker 2: and pyramids and structures that are part of this design
Speaker 2: that Plato describes quite eloquently in this dialogue, twenty five
Speaker 2: miles in diameter is not going to be enough. And
Speaker 2: the other thing is he describes these canals that lead
Speaker 2: in from the Atlantic Ocean into these concentric circles and
Speaker 2: allow ships to harbor outside of various parts of the city.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if this is Pasadia or not.
Speaker 2: I don't remember. We're talking about the specific names of
Speaker 2: the various cities. But it's a challenge to consider this.
Speaker 2: I am going to post a gallery of photographs that
Speaker 2: George features in his book Plato's Atlantis, and that's the
Speaker 2: theme of today's show, Plato's Atlantis, for you to so
Speaker 2: you can make it your own decision on this thing.
Speaker 2: Because We've had a few people talk about this on
Speaker 2: the program, and one of the big issues is that
Speaker 2: to date, every exhibit expedition that's gone out to that
Speaker 2: part of Africa, West Africa has not found any significant ruins. Now,
Speaker 2: we're gonna hear from George today the reason for that,
Speaker 2: and I'll just put it bluntly. He believes that there
Speaker 2: were monstrous tsunamis. These are active waves generated from the
Speaker 2: Atlantic Ocean that purged the surface of this area of temples,
Speaker 2: of pyramids, of buildings to such a degree that all
Speaker 2: you have left is just the land, the sand, the dirt,
Speaker 2: and the remains of geological formations. So how do we
Speaker 2: how do we rectify this? How do we consider this
Speaker 2: as a possible place for Atlantis. Now, if you do
Speaker 2: a search for West Africa slash Atlantis or just Africa
Speaker 2: West Atlantis, west West Africa, you'll get a page filled
Speaker 2: with this unusual geological formation, the Ratchet structure, which is
Speaker 2: inland about ten miles from the coast of the Atlantic Ocean. Now,
Speaker 2: one of the things that we'll learn about today is
Speaker 2: that that is that there were large bodies of water
Speaker 2: inland that were developed by lakes and there were lakes
Speaker 2: that were larger than the Nile River that crisscrossed this
Speaker 2: upper area close to Libya and the area that is
Speaker 2: described as ancient ancient Atlantis. But one of the other
Speaker 2: things that is noted is Plato talks about the last
Speaker 2: phase of Atlantis being around roughly twelve thousand years ago.
Speaker 2: We'll learn today that the bulk of the civilization was
Speaker 2: from the Holocene period, which is roughly one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: plus years ago up to about twelve thousand years ago.
Speaker 2: And during the Holocene that part of Africa was green.
Speaker 2: It was lush, green, very environmentally friendly, and was perfect
Speaker 2: for cultivation, was perfect for civilization development. And here we
Speaker 2: get into a whole different epoch and this is where
Speaker 2: we look at the Yugas for verification. Remember the Satia
Speaker 2: and the Trita period. The Treta Yugas are much older,
Speaker 2: many thousands of years beyond our comprehension. So our current history,
Speaker 2: a current science has us beginning around seventy eight thousand
Speaker 2: years ago. Of course, we're not talking about quebecley Tepe,
Speaker 2: Karahant Teppe and other Teppees that started around twelve to
Speaker 2: fourteen thousand. Those are not included, but in general Sumerians,
Speaker 2: early pre Egyptians and so forth and so on. Our
Speaker 2: society is developing around then this hole esteem period is
Speaker 2: prior to that, its earlier than that, and so we
Speaker 2: have to look at the possibilities. Now again, we've had
Speaker 2: people like Randall Carlson here, and we've had a handful
Speaker 2: of people talking about the belief of West African being
Speaker 2: the original location for Atlantis. The issues that I have
Speaker 2: and a lot of other people have, is that where
Speaker 2: are the ruins. Even a tsunami that would come in land,
Speaker 2: come into land around ten miles wouldn't reach to the
Speaker 2: center of the continent of Africa. So, you know, and
Speaker 2: I know that there's been some significant satellite imagery done
Speaker 2: of this region and there are some unusual buildings and dwellings,
Speaker 2: but they're not to the size that we would support
Speaker 2: one hundred two hundred a million people, you know, and
Speaker 2: we're talking in the major city, huge city that would
Speaker 2: have to accommodate that many individuals. You know, you have
Speaker 2: to have an industry in place, a civic industry. You
Speaker 2: have to have your food, you have to have areas
Speaker 2: for growing crops. Of course, we don't really know specifically
Speaker 2: how the Tenians lived, if they were vegetarian, if they
Speaker 2: were what present day people would call vegans or vegetarians
Speaker 2: or the meat or whatever. But you need to have
Speaker 2: lots of rich and fertile land to grow crops. You
Speaker 2: need to have land to do animal husbandry, cows, pigs,
Speaker 2: whatever else. So we don't know this. This is a
Speaker 2: huge void in our understanding of this place called Atlantis.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna learn today just what the true definition,
Speaker 2: the true decipherment. And this is what we're gonna hear
Speaker 2: about today, that the Tomaeus and the Cretius dialogues that
Speaker 2: Plato wrote were very specific in what they were presenting,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna learn that a lot of it was
Speaker 2: comprehended incorrectly. It was written down incorrectly from a Western
Speaker 2: point of view, and it's when you read it as
Speaker 2: a Greek and translate it into that language, it reveals
Speaker 2: an entirely different scenario and a history of a lot
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Speaker 2: interest to not only me, but to a lot of
Speaker 2: the people I have on the show. A few months ago,
Speaker 2: we featured Jack Kelly, who was the writer producer for
Speaker 2: a documentary called The Atlantic The Atlantis Puzzle. And you
Speaker 2: can actually see the Atlantis Puzzle on YouTube right now.
Speaker 2: And if you go to the Atlantispuzzle dot com you
Speaker 2: can see a unedited version that doesn't have advertising. I
Speaker 2: think Jack is charging five bucks for it. I can't remember.
Speaker 2: But the featured individual in that documentary is a guy
Speaker 2: named George Santa Taritis, and he is with us today.
Speaker 2: He is a Greek electronics engineer. He's coming to us
Speaker 2: from Greece today, and he has written a book called
Speaker 2: Plato's Atlantis, Decoding the most Famous Myth and I've got
Speaker 2: it in my hand right now.
Speaker 3: This is a.
Speaker 2: Research project. You can tell that he's spent a great
Speaker 2: deal of time on this. It's very detailed in not
Speaker 2: only the decipherment of them what he calls a Plato's story,
Speaker 2: some people call it a myth, other details that are
Speaker 2: very very important in the story. So we have George
Speaker 2: with us today, which is so very fun because he
Speaker 2: gives us a completely different perspective of Atlantis. So, George,
Speaker 2: welcome to Earth Ancient's great to have you on the program.
Speaker 2: But yeah, how's the weather where you're located today?
Speaker 3: Is like spring? Is that a few days ago was
Speaker 3: a little bit called excellent? It's an island anyway, so
Speaker 3: it's more mild.
Speaker 2: Talk about your interest in not only Plato but the
Speaker 2: story of Atlantis. When did this first come to your mind?
Speaker 2: And what was it that made you want to pursue
Speaker 2: the question of the so called fable Atlantis.
Speaker 3: My personal opinion about Atlantis was that it's a fantasy.
Speaker 3: This in the past many years ago, because first time
Speaker 3: I have read it, let's say, when I was twenty
Speaker 3: five years old. Since then I never thought to exam
Speaker 3: deeper the myth of Atlantis. But around the age of
Speaker 3: forty forty five, I had started to be occupied by
Speaker 3: studying the mythology in general. So my first motive, let's say,
Speaker 3: to started studying the Atlantics, was to study the logic
Speaker 3: of a myth. You know, the Greeks, they have much
Speaker 3: respect to their history, and so there are many discussions
Speaker 3: all the years, especially if you are a sailor like me,
Speaker 3: concerning the ancient Greece and philosophy. You know, there are
Speaker 3: thousands of documents and philosophers that start to have a discussion.
Speaker 3: So everybody knew a lot of people believe that that
Speaker 3: the myth. It's not a fairy tale, it's a mixture
Speaker 3: of lies and truth. So but I had the question
Speaker 3: why Plato, who is a genuine rational philosopher, one of
Speaker 3: the greatest in humanity, was occupying writing by writing fairy days.
Speaker 3: So I wanted to examine depth, which is the logic
Speaker 3: of a myth, because, let's say you examine the Audience
Speaker 3: or the Atlantis myth, there are exaggerations, a lot of exaggerations,
Speaker 3: but there are also truths. So the question was why somebody,
Speaker 3: especially like Plato, had to write a myth in that
Speaker 3: way and not like a normal book. Say, of course
Speaker 3: Plato has write a lot of myths, but usually they
Speaker 3: are small in size, Atlantis is the biggest, the longest
Speaker 3: myth of Plato, but has the right size to be
Speaker 3: examined either a logic examine to see what is going
Speaker 3: on in this in this myth, why the author have
Speaker 3: was occupied to write that way? The myth of Atlantics?
Speaker 3: Which is the logic, the hidden logic behind right the motive?
Speaker 3: This was the start. This was a start around twenty
Speaker 3: five to thirty years ago. Mhmm so and starting to
Speaker 3: examine something on its logical base. The first thing that
Speaker 3: you have to do is to be sure about the
Speaker 3: language the logos of the right. You must be sure
Speaker 3: that you have a correct text, and if because it
Speaker 3: is an ancient text, you have to be sure that
Speaker 3: the translation is correct. Mmm. Probably I would never be
Speaker 3: occupied to make a new translation. If by examining all
Speaker 3: these translations, the main translations that exist, mainly English translation,
Speaker 3: they have in the most of the part they are similar.
Speaker 3: I mean, the meaning of the phrases of the sentences
Speaker 3: of the paragraph are quite similar. You have almost the
Speaker 3: same meaning, but in some specific paragraphs you had very
Speaker 3: large differences. And it was the same story in every translation.
Speaker 3: It was very easy to to make what that Okay,
Speaker 3: this is the part that I have to exactly because
Speaker 3: it was in antvert translation different from the end. Even
Speaker 3: with controversy, logic not only limited meanings but also might
Speaker 3: be the opposite meaning. So based on that, I decided
Speaker 3: that because there were a lot of differences, but I
Speaker 3: have to, I had to retranslate it from scratch from
Speaker 3: the beginning.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 3: The first thing that I saw when I had started
Speaker 3: translating the book Teams was the first one was a
Speaker 3: phrase from Teams that says they came out the Atlantians
Speaker 3: from the Atlantic Ocean. And you know, the translation has
Speaker 3: Greek or English and the Asian texts next to you.
Speaker 3: I see on the ancient text, and there was no
Speaker 3: Atlantic Ocean at all. It was named Atlantic Pelagos Greeks
Speaker 3: because since many thousand years BC they were Sephari people.
Speaker 3: They had characterized some seas with the special properties of
Speaker 3: the seed, so they knew what the ocean is. Ocean
Speaker 3: is anyway Greek, and every word has a specific translation.
Speaker 3: I means ocean means it's from the word of Kys,
Speaker 3: which means it's moving fast to the ocean. Then they
Speaker 3: had the word Pelagos, by the way, because I'm a
Speaker 3: sailor all the nautical charts that we have in the sea,
Speaker 3: the Greek maps, they're saying it's gan pelagov, i Onion, Pelagov,
Speaker 3: Libyan Pelagov, Egyptian pelago, Milton Pelagos that are around fourteen
Speaker 3: pelagi within the Mediterranean.
Speaker 2: Can Can you describe real quickly, George, what a pelagos
Speaker 2: is because you refer.
Speaker 3: To yes, pelago is rather yes, Pelagos is a rather
Speaker 3: small seed which embraces in a short distance because pelas
Speaker 3: means short distance. Agos is the embrace, so it's in
Speaker 3: a short distance braced area sea with islands, peninsulas, bases,
Speaker 3: et cetera. But small size, not big as and nosea okay.
Speaker 3: And there is another ancient word which is pondos. Pondos
Speaker 3: is larger sea than the pelagus. But again it's a
Speaker 3: difficult sea because usually it has a lot of currents
Speaker 3: from large rivers who are entering within pondos and create
Speaker 3: a lot of currents, and you have to make an
Speaker 3: effort with rowing or if you have sales, in order
Speaker 3: to pass through through the currents. And then is the
Speaker 3: term thallaca like Mediterranean were saying Mediterrannia Thallaca the Black
Speaker 3: Sea in Greece is not black sea is evcinos pondos
Speaker 3: which been means hospitable pondos mm hmm. And the GM
Speaker 3: pelag was of course and many other pala. There are
Speaker 3: also some other pondos smaller in size, like the area
Speaker 3: of was Pulus between the Europe and today Turkeys mine.
Speaker 3: This was a small size but has almost the same property.
Speaker 3: So this was the first mistake. Then there are there
Speaker 3: was a series of mistakes and also mistakes. Not only
Speaker 3: it's not a symbol, it's not just a translator mistake,
Speaker 3: it's also the interpretation mm hmm. So the translation of
Speaker 3: Financian text is very difficult task because you have to
Speaker 3: find out from the era of the writer and before
Speaker 3: the pre era of this writer, every word what can mean?
Speaker 3: Which is the exact meaning because the words are changing
Speaker 3: me and you have to have the correct explanation for
Speaker 3: the specific writer. But also you have to look in
Speaker 3: the past to see if there is some surprise, some
Speaker 3: very important note that you have to make a this work.
Speaker 3: So there was a case for one word work for
Speaker 3: two weeks, three weeks to find out the exact meaning. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 3: I have a huge collection from lexicons that to study
Speaker 3: the language from the very ancient archiical years. Also in
Speaker 3: the classical you are you are.
Speaker 4: You saying that find a very early Greek version or
Speaker 4: early decipherment of Greek language.
Speaker 2: You had to go way back.
Speaker 3: Yes, you have to examine, going back hundreds of years
Speaker 3: to be sure that you have you have the right
Speaker 3: word in your heads, the right explanation. So start to
Speaker 3: correct a lot of words within the text and also
Speaker 3: some phrases. Plato is exceptional right these things that he writes,
Speaker 3: especially in these books, because these books were written as
Speaker 3: long as he was in he was very old at
Speaker 3: the end of his life, and he was also invader
Speaker 3: of some words. He was constructive words. There is a
Speaker 3: book of later cartillos where Plato is playing with them
Speaker 3: and trying to transfer how every word can start to
Speaker 3: be designed and find the right meaning. Plato was very
Speaker 3: accurate word by word in all his books. He's very
Speaker 3: accurate without any mistakes in the language, or in the syntax,
Speaker 3: or in the drama. So and Athletics is also a
Speaker 3: book that has very accurate text through the centuries. We
Speaker 3: know for sure that this is a correct text. Okay.
Speaker 3: The first difficulty is to translate correct every word, every phrase,
Speaker 3: every paragraph the whole books Antimius andri Fears. But during
Speaker 3: this procedure, because you are searching for the logic of
Speaker 3: the text, the second step is to connect all these
Speaker 3: meanings and have a logic or correctly meaning of what
Speaker 3: the author wanted to write. This is a second part
Speaker 3: of the difficulty when you're translating an ancient text. The
Speaker 3: last part, the third part, which is something that someone
Speaker 3: could not proceed, is to find evidences that can fit
Speaker 3: in these descriptions, or to reject the lies and keep
Speaker 3: the real story. So with this procedure, suddenly starts to
Speaker 3: realize that there is a systematic method of writing a myth,
Speaker 3: not by any by players. Of course, the surprise was
Speaker 3: that when I have served a lot of find a
Speaker 3: lot of laws and actions within the text, I could
Speaker 3: apply them as it was in the Odissese. And it
Speaker 3: was a very huge surprise that it was very easy
Speaker 3: after that to find out what Omer wanted to write
Speaker 3: on his book. Because it's not only that you're already
Speaker 3: a different story. There is a hidden story in parts
Speaker 3: of the text under the text. Yeah, yeah, right about example.
Speaker 2: You write about this George. It's kind of like a
Speaker 2: learning tool in your Yes, can you talk real quickly?
Speaker 3: Go ahead, yes, I will tell you a few a
Speaker 3: few things about it. There is also a video in
Speaker 3: the Cubethodology of Mythology of the two thousand four. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was my last conference presenting this methodology in the
Speaker 3: Club of the Philologists in Greece. So you know this, say,
Speaker 3: for example, is a myth with the oddiss who was
Speaker 3: traveling make twelve adventures, making twelve adventures lies of course,
Speaker 3: the most of a week with cyclopes with Lesligans, with
Speaker 3: such things, also with a visit in eighties in the underworld. Well,
Speaker 3: I took this myth because I like it. It's a
Speaker 3: masterpiece from the cultural side, from the narrative side. And
Speaker 3: finally under this myth, it's a hidden calendar. It's a
Speaker 3: hidden calendar, which is the first time that has been
Speaker 3: discovered a calendar written because it's written under the text,
Speaker 3: and you have the duration of the moon cycles of
Speaker 3: the sun, the duration of the days of the year,
Speaker 3: either the celestial or from the observer from the Earth,
Speaker 3: what disease and it's a very important information for that era.
Speaker 3: It is a strategic information so also there is a
Speaker 3: lot of inforformations, and there are always confirmations that this
Speaker 3: that we have read is correct. There is a method
Speaker 3: inside the text that if you have repetitions of this
Speaker 3: in the first statement, then you have a confirmation of
Speaker 3: the truth. Otherwise you reject the story. This is one
Speaker 3: in the same story of the visit of a disay
Speaker 3: in Edgies was also a description of the Orion constellation
Speaker 3: and its exact depiction on the surface of the moon.
Speaker 3: These things do not exist inside the text. You will
Speaker 3: never read it. But when you see the logic analysis
Speaker 3: of the text, finally you will see that you are
Speaker 3: in front of a new book. So there was many surprises.
Speaker 3: Same is happening in Plato. And Plato is not hiding
Speaker 3: that has copied the method from the homed because he
Speaker 3: has references to address you back there. But there are
Speaker 3: some differences. Let's say both myths have twelve logs are
Speaker 3: governed by twelve lords. Plato has also twelve actionios. But
Speaker 3: in no this say I found so far seventeen actions.
Speaker 3: The difference is the main difference is that Omer, when
Speaker 3: he likes to confirm it truth, repeats the phrase or
Speaker 3: the sentence as it is in another part of the book,
Speaker 3: and you have to keeping track all this God Plato,
Speaker 3: and depending from the size of the line or the
Speaker 3: first statement, who might sound incredible has the same proportion.
Speaker 3: Let's say if I say that of confirmations, so a
Speaker 3: very incredible statement might have three four confirmations, as a
Speaker 3: small importance statement might have one or two confirmations. Plato
Speaker 3: from the other side is doing the same thing, but
Speaker 3: has only one repetition. But she is not repeating the
Speaker 3: phrase or the setence. She's repeating the meaning that means
Speaker 3: you might have a very different settence in front of you,
Speaker 3: but the final meaning of the two sentences is exactly
Speaker 3: the same.
Speaker 2: We're gonna take a short break to allow our sponsors
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Speaker 2: guests today George Sarantius coming to us from Greece and
Speaker 2: he is discussing his book Plato's Atlantis. We will be
Speaker 2: right back. My guest today is George Sarantidis. He is
Speaker 2: an engineer who has studied Plato's dialogues for many many
Speaker 2: years and written a book called Plato's Atlantis, where he
Speaker 2: describes where Plato actually places the fabled land of Atlantis. Okay, George,
Speaker 2: let me just stop you for a minute because I
Speaker 2: want to get this is very interesting because what you're
Speaker 2: telling me is that the Tomaeis and the Creedias are
Speaker 2: some kind of a mind puzzle that is being created
Speaker 2: to help the reader, I don't know, break through to
Speaker 2: the to the to the logical side of the material.
Speaker 2: And then here we are talking about Atlantis, but it's
Speaker 2: it's covered in all this. Uh you call them lies,
Speaker 2: you know. I wonder is this a way of classical
Speaker 2: Greek writing that were that?
Speaker 4: Were?
Speaker 2: I mean, did you find other examples of this?
Speaker 3: Yes? Of course this concern only the myths, and only
Speaker 3: the myths of Plato and Homer. Mm hm. I can
Speaker 3: apply them also in another mythological book Boom, which is
Speaker 3: the orphics. Uh. You have also many similarities there. So
Speaker 3: that means that a myth constructed by Plato or Omen
Speaker 3: is a very high scientific document. Nobody has understand so
Speaker 3: far that they could write in this special way a
Speaker 3: story because it's not the story by itself, but it's
Speaker 3: the whole bunch of stories that contain story, but you
Speaker 3: have to extract. And also, of course the philosophical meanings
Speaker 3: that every myth might have. Okay, don't forget. We must
Speaker 3: not forget that Plato was addressing only to make sure men.
Speaker 3: The students of Plato was not the children. The children
Speaker 3: or the tolesions had to be teached by other teachers,
Speaker 3: and Plato was taken from the high school, let's say, graduates,
Speaker 3: to give them the highest education. Also demand of Plato
Speaker 3: is to the most of his books, but especially in
Speaker 3: Tamous Sanctity years, is to give you a problem to solve,
Speaker 3: because according to the Platonic philosophy, the point is not
Speaker 3: to learn something, it's to study in death and provokes
Speaker 3: your logic always to find what is happening in this sentence,
Speaker 3: in the next meanning, in the next meanning, or it
Speaker 3: gives you split a lot of meanings and you have
Speaker 3: to combine them in one million. You have to have
Speaker 3: a memory that you needed, of course to learn something.
Speaker 3: But also you have to be in a lead when
Speaker 3: you're reading Plato, because he gives you an easy text
Speaker 3: and suddenly he increases is the difficulty of the degree
Speaker 3: of the difficulty, And if you are not in alert
Speaker 3: and you lose this important step of writing, you lost
Speaker 3: the meaning of the most important meaning that Plato wanted
Speaker 3: to trust.
Speaker 2: Let me stop you for a minute, of George, let
Speaker 2: me just stop you real quick. Would you say that
Speaker 2: in your study and translation of the Timius, that you
Speaker 2: would consider that Atlantics was well known at the time
Speaker 2: of Plato's life, that it was a common knowledge civilization.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was the knowledge of the work of Plato,
Speaker 3: not the Atlantis as a story, because usually this story
Speaker 3: who had to be studied by initiates or mature men
Speaker 3: who liked to be initiates. At the end, you know,
Speaker 3: Plato believed that the highest knowledge must belong to very
Speaker 3: high educated persons, but also good characters, because this knowledge
Speaker 3: could not split to share it with anybody, because the
Speaker 3: knowledge is power. This wasn't in absolutely difference with the
Speaker 3: Aristotelic method. Aristotle wanted all the knowledge that he had
Speaker 3: as a teacher could transfer it to his students without
Speaker 3: to take care to have let's say, a private school
Speaker 3: with private knowledges of that time. So I think it
Speaker 3: was the biggest difference between these two philosophers. You know,
Speaker 3: Aristotle was a student or later for almost twenty years,
Speaker 3: and I think this was their main different as philosophers.
Speaker 3: It was a different school, a different cult. So this
Speaker 3: was a story. But at the same time, with the
Speaker 3: progress of this methodology of mythology, which was filled up
Speaker 3: with surprises, huge surprises. But after that you would predict
Speaker 3: what you're going to find in front of you. If
Speaker 3: you understand the method then things are much easier. I
Speaker 3: have started to understand that something totally different is happening
Speaker 3: with the Atlantish story. Plato was giving totally different informations.
Speaker 3: That is that everybody knows from the traditional translations of
Speaker 3: job or tail or one hundred years ago, one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty years ago, and the informations and the picture
Speaker 3: that we have is totally different. The second surprise, or
Speaker 3: second very important surprise, was the pillars of her I
Speaker 3: knew as almost all that the pillars of Heracles could
Speaker 3: be I think Gibraltar side, but this was not the case.
Speaker 3: Platoid describing a much different place for the pillars of
Speaker 3: Heraclis in Greece's Stella of Heracles. Stella is not pillars,
Speaker 3: it's not a calum anyway. It has a small part
Speaker 3: inside the book where he's giving the exact position of
Speaker 3: the pillars of Heracles. But it was so difficult to
Speaker 3: develop the whole logic of the text that I left it.
Speaker 3: It was the only part of the two books that
Speaker 3: I left it for the end. I wanted to be
Speaker 3: sure if I understood well or making a special effort.
Speaker 3: In the meanwhile, of course, I found the other philosophers,
Speaker 3: Greek philosophers who were giving also were giving a different
Speaker 3: direction of the Pilazo it like Aristota, by retranslating a
Speaker 3: text from a book of Aristo. Otherwise you have the
Speaker 3: same problem. So in all of the cases, the pillarsa
Speaker 3: Eracles were well located in the small cirties Pay, which
Speaker 3: is the gulf of ga base in Tuenis.
Speaker 2: The pillars of Hercules were in Tunisia.
Speaker 3: Between Tunisia and Libya is on the home of the
Speaker 3: Bay of Gabet, where there is a river, a Gabez river.
Speaker 3: So after that is giving a direction after you pass
Speaker 3: the philosophy erectly, which I know from other philosophers that
Speaker 3: it was four to five days trip with a boat
Speaker 3: traveling to west, that you're arriving at the edge of
Speaker 3: the Atlantis continent. Then by correcting some special words within
Speaker 3: the text and phrases you have in front of you.
Speaker 3: The picture of a semicycle continent island. Continent island is
Speaker 3: named something that is surrounded by water, any kind of water,
Speaker 3: but if it's a very large size, then you call
Speaker 3: it a condi also, and then he gives a direction.
Speaker 3: She's telling you to go on the middle distance of
Speaker 3: the two edges of this semi site to find a poros.
Speaker 3: Pors is a narrow canal, and this drives you. After
Speaker 3: you have passed an Atlantic Pondos, which is a difference
Speaker 3: inside Africa. And after passing a Poros, you are reaching
Speaker 3: in another Atlantic Pelagos. There are two pelagi Atlantic the
Speaker 3: same name. And then you are reaching an island which
Speaker 3: is at the end you you find out that it's
Speaker 3: a rhombic eye with the ratio one to four in
Speaker 3: almost the middle of this island. The Romic island describes
Speaker 3: the cycles the non cycles of the Atlantis, which are
Speaker 3: not three or four, they are five in total with
Speaker 3: a corrected text. And also there is no one canal.
Speaker 3: There are two canals from the descriptions. The second one
Speaker 3: is very interesting. I made the travel especially for this
Speaker 3: reason by Italia during that time, and all these I mean,
Speaker 3: the the cycles are within the Erobic Island, the Robic
Speaker 3: Island is within the island continent of Atlantis. And all
Speaker 3: these are in the same are in the middle of
Speaker 3: the either on the length or and the breath for
Speaker 3: the while. Yet Okay, when I was writing this, translating
Speaker 3: the text, I said, okay, this is impossible to have
Speaker 3: such a case in planet Earth or in the galaxy
Speaker 3: or I don't know how many galaxies exist, because it's
Speaker 3: out of any equazy days, I inform you that everything
Speaker 3: is according exactly this that I tell you. I just
Speaker 3: told is the middle distance in the continent in the
Speaker 3: Rhobic Islands, and there are the five circles, there are
Speaker 3: two canals, and all the measurements are in agreement with
Speaker 3: the declination of one to five percent ending what you're
Speaker 3: looking for. Ah, and say, it's also that the island,
Speaker 3: the Rumbic Island, targets the pillars of Heracles, and this
Speaker 3: indeed happens as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, we need to tell people, We need to tell
Speaker 2: people that you are referring to western Africa.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is not all the western.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not an island in the Atlantic Ocean. It's
Speaker 2: not off off of Spain, the Azores. It is the
Speaker 2: land mass known as Western Africa.
Speaker 3: If you see the west part of Africa, it's like
Speaker 3: a semicyite. The edges are specified at the north at
Speaker 3: the grounds of Gabees where the pilars of Erectlis, where
Speaker 3: the south edge is the exit of the Digular river,
Speaker 3: and the middle where the strikes are are in maritime.
Speaker 3: The rest area as his name. So this is out
Speaker 3: of any coincidence mathematically that could match this text with
Speaker 3: this geographical description, but it agrees.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: That's why I was absolutely sure that I had a
Speaker 3: correct text. Yeah, because everything was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Plato talks about a horrific destruct and that the
Speaker 2: landform was was submerged. Ah, how do we how do
Speaker 2: we explain that? Is that more of the myth and
Speaker 2: what really happened was a massive tsunami that destroyed the.
Speaker 3: Area that was there is another serious mistake of the translator.
Speaker 3: Two things happened. When Plato describes that the Athenian army
Speaker 3: went to Atlantis for the final body, Suddenly and a
Speaker 3: very large earthquake took place. The army of the Athenians
Speaker 3: were buried, was buried under the ground, and then the
Speaker 3: all the translations referred that the Atlantic continent sank. Right,
Speaker 3: This is a huge mistake because the word that Plato uses,
Speaker 3: it's a special word which might mean either cover or sank.
Speaker 3: If you examine the seed rex there is a special
Speaker 3: condition named poetic cause in English there is as an
Speaker 3: as a grammatical statement when the energy of everb returns
Speaker 3: to itself has another meaning that the energy of the
Speaker 3: verb goes to a subject. So the translators may correct
Speaker 3: translate that the army the Greek garment was buried under
Speaker 3: al But it was mistaken trust lay that the Atlantis
Speaker 3: continent sank because they could not imagine that the sea
Speaker 3: was covering the continent. But here exists also another mistake.
Speaker 3: It was not the continent that was covered by sea,
Speaker 3: neither the RONGB type. It was only the cycles in
Speaker 3: the middle of the wrong type, which is very easily
Speaker 3: to announce. To imagine how that happened, he describes any
Speaker 3: way where the wave was produced by liquefaction. There he's
Speaker 3: using his and the word that Plato has constructed is
Speaker 3: giving says a word is on man was produced by
Speaker 3: Plato to describe that is a situation under a network
Speaker 3: that the sand is losing the connectivity and creates the liquefaction.
Speaker 3: So see not so many mistakes in a number, but
Speaker 3: the very important mistakes which reorganize the thoughts around the
Speaker 3: Atlantic story. So whatever has been written so far, whatever
Speaker 3: has been presented so far about that is based on
Speaker 3: a wrong translation.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And these translation is one hundred percent part okay in
Speaker 3: both of the books.
Speaker 2: Tell us about what we have discovered, because we since
Speaker 2: this movie The Lattice Puzzle came out and your work
Speaker 2: has been published, a number of people and researchers have
Speaker 2: used satellite imagery to discover this one part of this
Speaker 2: western African plane with circular as Plato described it, circular geology.
Speaker 2: You know. In fact, there's one guy who said that
Speaker 2: he found the main canal that Plato describes that leads
Speaker 2: from the Atlantis Atlantic Ocean all the way into the
Speaker 2: middle of this these concentric rings talk about that.
Speaker 3: Firstly, sem possible to find a canal from the Atlantic
Speaker 3: Ocean because there is no connection with the Atlantic Ocean atolly,
Speaker 3: even the Atlantic Ocean shatrounds or the worst part of
Speaker 3: the Africa and of Atlantis bond in Iceland bonding. We
Speaker 3: are talking about seas in the east side part of Africa.
Speaker 3: Everything that is happening there or happened there was the
Speaker 3: inside part of the continent, not the outside to the
Speaker 3: athletic Ossian no connection at all. The area is higher
Speaker 3: around four hundred and forty meters four hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: meters over the today level of the ocean, and there
Speaker 3: is no direct exit or entrance to the oceanel from
Speaker 3: the ocean. Everything has happened on the inside part. All
Speaker 3: the descriptions of Plato concerned the inside part of Africa.
Speaker 3: And of course, because a lot of people have been
Speaker 3: produced reader videos or books with this area, describing this area,
Speaker 3: I must say that all of them they made a
Speaker 3: critical mistake. Okay, never they have referred in my findings
Speaker 3: in this vibor. But everybody was trying to give his
Speaker 3: own explanation of the story. But you don't need to
Speaker 3: do it, because the translates refers in everything as every
Speaker 3: tiny detail inside there about the whole story of the Atlantics.
Speaker 3: And of course a couple of playerists are uncovered because
Speaker 3: they are describing an island, continent, an island, and a
Speaker 3: capital city. There is no translation to refer in these
Speaker 3: three different Attlantics only. My translation is a refer about
Speaker 3: but because they are not familiar with Plato or with
Speaker 3: the ancient text in general, they made this simply mistake.
Speaker 3: And it's not the only one. There are lot of mistake,
Speaker 3: but this is a very obviecus mistake, so that since
Speaker 3: the story in Cliff, it was a very big surprise.
Speaker 3: It was a very difficult task. It took me many
Speaker 3: years of research. I think I was from the first
Speaker 3: who have studied all the climatic changes within the Africa
Speaker 3: concerning this part of the Africa, the west side where
Speaker 3: the eyelight quandine that exist. And in order to find
Speaker 3: out all these details from the few informations which existing
Speaker 3: during that time, it was not easy. Even from Google,
Speaker 3: you could not find a lot of informations. The computers
Speaker 3: were very slow during that time. The pictures or the
Speaker 3: screens have low resolution. Yeah, it was very primitive. Let's
Speaker 3: say for such selves all this hardwood. Yeah, and so we're.
Speaker 2: Going to take a commercial break to allow our sponsors
Speaker 2: to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my
Speaker 2: guest today, author research investigator George Sarantides coming to us
Speaker 2: from Greece, and he is describing his newest book, Plato's Atlantis,
Speaker 2: will be right back. We're featuring George Sarantius, the author
Speaker 2: of Plato's Atlantis.
Speaker 3: Today.
Speaker 2: He's featured in the Atlantis Puzzle, which was hosted by
Speaker 2: Jack Kelly, and we're getting a sense of exactly what
Speaker 2: his research is leading to and the details of the
Speaker 2: true location of the fabled land of Atlantis. In the
Speaker 2: documentary tree, what has explained is at the time of
Speaker 2: Atlantis' high height as a developed nation, where they were
Speaker 2: was considered green sahara or a very lush and a
Speaker 2: cultivated green area, not what it looks like now, and
Speaker 2: would have been able to sustain life much greater than
Speaker 2: it does now. Talk about that.
Speaker 3: Publica I exist inside the book where they have located,
Speaker 3: where there is water under the sun and in which depth.
Speaker 3: In some areas you have water five meters under the surface,
Speaker 3: in some other areas fifty meters under the set. But
Speaker 3: the quantities of the world are normals. Just imagine that
Speaker 3: Kadaffi thirty years ago, except for oil, he was drilling
Speaker 3: to find some areas underground which contained a lot of water.
Speaker 3: Because there is a lack of water in Liby in general,
Speaker 3: they found so much water that have constructed a network
Speaker 3: of pipes around thirteen to fifteen feet in diameter to
Speaker 3: carry enormous quantities billion liters per day. They can carry
Speaker 3: to all the cities of Liby. And so it was
Speaker 3: not only the black gold the oil that they have found.
Speaker 3: They found also another girl, which is the water. And
Speaker 3: this water has an age of ten thousand years.
Speaker 2: And it's underground aquifers that are supplying as.
Speaker 3: Well aqua fires aquifers here. So after all this adventure
Speaker 3: start to make sense some other stories. For instance, there
Speaker 3: was a Greek explorer captain with his ship. It was
Speaker 3: not Befairs from Marseille who was traveling systematically to England
Speaker 3: to bring zinc fourteen to Greece from Marseille. Arseille was
Speaker 3: a Greek colony in France. It was also a femalist,
Speaker 3: another famous seafarer whose book we don't have the book,
Speaker 3: but we have descriptions from other philosophers who have copies
Speaker 3: partially some parts of his storage. And he was describing
Speaker 3: some areas which was impossible to fit in the then
Speaker 3: knowledge that we have about Africa. As soon I found
Speaker 3: this way to travel inside that it has fit absolutely
Speaker 3: to history, and according to the descriptions, he had reached
Speaker 3: up to the Lake Chad, which is some thousand miles
Speaker 3: away from the Gulf of Gabage. Also it has explained,
Speaker 3: you know when the Romans will Skipion. The general Escapion
Speaker 3: went and destroy Carthage. He visited the largest temple who
Speaker 3: was donated to the Jews of the Carthaginians, Valve I
Speaker 3: think was the name. Together with him he had an historian,
Speaker 3: a Greek historian Polybius. He's very famous, very well known,
Speaker 3: who was writing all the expedition of the Roman arby
Speaker 3: and they found a plaque still inside the temple which
Speaker 3: describes the first expedition of the Cafeginians to find an
Speaker 3: established colonists somewhere. So far, everybody was trying to explain
Speaker 3: this by try around Africa on the outside of the
Speaker 3: Atlantic ocean side, but it was not fitting at all.
Speaker 3: Now it was fitting perfectly inside the Africa. Another surprise
Speaker 3: was that trying to study in detail the stories of Herodotus,
Speaker 3: because Erodotus, the father of history, was walking all the
Speaker 3: descriptions he is giving on his books, has walked in
Speaker 3: all these directories. By exploring all these areas, and I
Speaker 3: made also some corrections there in his description. The most
Speaker 3: impressive was one word from this word comes out that
Speaker 3: Libya was a peninsula. If you look Libya today, it's
Speaker 3: not peninsula, it's just an issue next to the Mediterranean Sea.
Speaker 3: But during that time it was a peninsula, so.
Speaker 2: The rivers were much much bigger. And the time of
Speaker 2: Heroditus is what you're.
Speaker 3: Saying, yes, yes, Because after that I had explained three
Speaker 3: circumnavigations of Africa, who again have many black spots on
Speaker 3: the explanations when they were trying to place the boats
Speaker 3: and deciptions around these guys. Persians during that time have
Speaker 3: passed inside Africa. But the second mission that they made
Speaker 3: could not pass because the level of the water was
Speaker 3: low and the ships could not pass and they had
Speaker 3: to return. I want to to say that with this explanation,
Speaker 3: I have a fantastic tool, which is the methodology of mythology.
Speaker 3: We have the pillars of Heracles, who will correct a
Speaker 3: lot of things in their history, because in Gibraltar the
Speaker 3: pillars of Heracles were specified in the Romance which is
Speaker 3: after the third century Busy and No. And then we
Speaker 3: have the explanation of the three circum navigations of Africa,
Speaker 3: the Libyan Peninsula another surprise, and there are also other information.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you just the shadders. Yeah, we uh and
Speaker 3: let them work with this, not in my life, I believe,
Speaker 3: because it will present a lot of new information and
Speaker 3: the people can find now many other things that other
Speaker 3: researchers were searching for years and that we're not explaining
Speaker 3: many things. Now they have the base to make a
Speaker 3: correct an analysis.
Speaker 2: When when we started that, George, when we started at
Speaker 2: the very beginning, before we started the interview, I mentioned
Speaker 2: to you that there have been some expeditions to this
Speaker 2: area that has concentric geological rings, and yes, no one
Speaker 2: has found temples or foundations of any kind of You said,
Speaker 2: it's not possible, because why.
Speaker 3: It's not possible, because the surface of every ring is
Speaker 3: very narrow, depends two hundred and three hundred meters, it's
Speaker 3: very sallow, it's very close to the sea level. If
Speaker 3: a tsunami will come have sweeped everything, nothing can standing
Speaker 3: anam of that size that took place during that time.
Speaker 3: And not only that, a tsunami through a sand area
Speaker 3: is producing a lot of mud. That means the density
Speaker 3: of the tsunami. It's enormous. It's very much more dense,
Speaker 3: much more dense than just what that means. Any construction
Speaker 3: will disappear in front of such a way. And it's
Speaker 3: not only one way a tsunami. There are several waves coming.
Speaker 3: So but I believe there are other very interesting things
Speaker 3: that we can find. Okay, a confirmation might be within
Speaker 3: this area, which is very large area. It's forty almost
Speaker 3: fort kilometers radios. We might find split here and there
Speaker 3: stones from their construction. Of course, because I had some
Speaker 3: such conversation with several people who took me at phone,
Speaker 3: send me email, and they are looking to find God
Speaker 3: the such things. This is not possible to find gold
Speaker 3: or copper and the size that Plato describes, because what
Speaker 3: is happening Plato in side timags describes a very real story,
Speaker 3: but it's a small part of the story. In critias
Speaker 3: has very impressive descriptions with huge constructions of temples, metals, ships.
Speaker 3: I think this part is exaggerated on the mythological side
Speaker 3: of the story. So there is a real story that
Speaker 3: we have to concentrate, and the false story, which is
Speaker 3: fairy take but atlant is worse, exists indeed, this is
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: So a country that's that big, wouldn't they have satellites
Speaker 2: or other small city locations up and down the coast
Speaker 2: of Africa or present day Africa. I mean, it's funny
Speaker 2: because you're talking about the location being in West Africa
Speaker 2: and it's so close to Cairo. Are we confusing the
Speaker 2: Egyptians for the.
Speaker 3: It's not close at all? Well, so we're a big distance. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's the edge of the continent from magip might be
Speaker 3: one thousand, seven hundred kilometers, yes, eight. Now the middle
Speaker 3: of the continent might be three thousand kilometers, So the
Speaker 3: distance are huge. But I believe must exist some ruins
Speaker 3: on the rhombicale in some areas of the Romic area.
Speaker 3: But you know, the whole territory has been very fairly
Speaker 3: excavated or make any geological research because there were not
Speaker 3: such important information about an ancient, very ancient civilization deserve.
Speaker 3: So the most of the informations that we have are
Speaker 3: just a few. It's not detailed area like the Egit
Speaker 3: or Ethiopia to analyze it, and I can say it's
Speaker 3: not an easy also area to go because you don't
Speaker 3: have roads if you would like to take the car
Speaker 3: and go somewhere else. I was trying, although I had
Speaker 3: the GPS with me. You can be isolated somewhere and
Speaker 3: there's no way to come back after they have to
Speaker 3: take you with an helicopter take you back. Yeah, there
Speaker 3: is no road. But when we are saying there's no road,
Speaker 3: stop desert, it's a mountain set. You have to follow
Speaker 3: the track with the accuracy of one to three meters,
Speaker 3: let's say, to follow up your road tracks to return.
Speaker 3: And of course you will not find gas, you will
Speaker 3: not find water, you will not find the supplies or anything,
Speaker 3: neither communication. I had the satellite phone and during your
Speaker 3: time in order to be able to ask for help.
Speaker 3: I it wasn't necessary. But after that I did the
Speaker 3: risk because I had also other people, me Mariitonians in
Speaker 3: the mission and didn't want to have any risks to them,
Speaker 3: especially to them, but also for myself.
Speaker 2: In the In the documentary that Jack Kelly produced the
Speaker 2: Atlantis Puzzle, he says that and according to your research,
Speaker 2: that the Lantinians lived during the Holocene period, which is
Speaker 2: it ended roughly twelve thousand years ago, but it could
Speaker 2: be you know, Holo scene is over one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: years in the past. Is it your belief that the
Speaker 2: Atlantinians were extremely old, that their inception period was maybe
Speaker 2: a eighty ninety one hundred thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: So well, it's the first time that we have evidences,
Speaker 3: at least historical evidences, that there was a civilization during
Speaker 3: that time. After that, the archaeological work has to take
Speaker 3: place to certify it was indeed that the civilization, but
Speaker 3: this was that called I've lost. Now, in order to
Speaker 3: to find if there were people during that time, you
Speaker 3: need a combined work from several sciences. This is one second,
Speaker 3: you need a very organized mission because, as I told
Speaker 3: you before, there is nothing in these areas. Another important
Speaker 3: thing is that there are problems, especially during that time,
Speaker 3: where realized problems with other nations, et cetera. At north
Speaker 3: of the result of the aerobic island in my area,
Speaker 3: at the borders with another country, it was not easy
Speaker 3: to decide to make an expedition there that time. Now.
Speaker 3: Of concerningly the Old King that you said, the Old
Speaker 3: King officially starts on the ten thousand, busy before the
Speaker 3: only we have the Plaisto k period, which starts before
Speaker 3: the one hundred thousand BC reaches up to ten thousand BC.
Speaker 3: But this change of periods of geological periods our very characteristic,
Speaker 3: and we have the story exactly at the borders of
Speaker 3: these two climatic changes. M it's exactly on the border
Speaker 3: lane on the ten to eleven thousand BC. And then
Speaker 3: we have the Olok which was stabilized let's say around
Speaker 3: the five six thousand BC up to the today has
Speaker 3: small differences. We don't have so many atrocities of the world,
Speaker 3: either with class years or huge floods, although have started
Speaker 3: some floods the last years because we have an increasement
Speaker 3: or the temperature flood And you know, all these are
Speaker 3: described by the Egyptian priests when he describes a client
Speaker 3: of that era to soldon. If you read carefully what
Speaker 3: the priest was saying, of course, in addition with the
Speaker 3: correct translation, then you realize that if you have today
Speaker 3: this priest next to year, you could have a very
Speaker 3: very active discussion to pass the climate of a long
Speaker 3: period of the human like another thing, concert they travels
Speaker 3: with the ships, the boats, the boats who was a
Speaker 3: necessity during that time. You had no roads. You could
Speaker 3: not pass very easily from every area that you like
Speaker 3: to pass. You might have a river there is no
Speaker 3: bridge pass, might be a canyon you don't have a
Speaker 3: tunnel to pass, might be habited by other civilizations who
Speaker 3: might be aggressive against you. With the boat, things are
Speaker 3: very simple. That's why the last years in Greece they
Speaker 3: have discovered a lot of critical details with shows that
Speaker 3: the travels with a boat is the very old case.
Speaker 3: In Critle Let's say island, which is what was never
Speaker 3: joined in the last million years. With the land, they
Speaker 3: found evidences of people one hundred and thirty thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: That means they have reached there with boats. And we
Speaker 3: are not talking about canoes because in a GM you
Speaker 3: cannot travel with a canoe without the danger to lose
Speaker 3: your leg. Same also with the story of the obsidian
Speaker 3: there is an island in the middle of a GM
Speaker 3: named Milblos. They have two different minds for obsidian, you know,
Speaker 3: which produce tools or weapons. And these obsidian tools were
Speaker 3: very useful to make anything you like to cut, like
Speaker 3: to use it as an x, as a saw or
Speaker 3: as a knife. And we have educations that from evidences
Speaker 3: in caves, because there are many caves in Greece, we
Speaker 3: have evidences that they have started to habitant in these
Speaker 3: caves and have tools from around twenty five thousand years
Speaker 3: ago and the systematically thirteen thousand DearS mm hmm. From
Speaker 3: the thirteen thousand BC, the Obsivian was splitted around the
Speaker 3: Aegean mainland and the islands. That means the travels by
Speaker 3: boat was systematically. What's taking place within the agent pelagus
Speaker 3: or a gen c? What are you like?
Speaker 2: Fantastic? My guest today has been George Sarantetius is this
Speaker 2: last name. He is the author of la Plato's Atlantis Decoding,
Speaker 2: the most famous myth, and he is the featured guest
Speaker 2: on in that movie the Atlantice Puzzle that we you
Speaker 2: can see on YouTube, but you also can see if
Speaker 2: you go to the Atlantis Puzzle dot com you can
Speaker 2: see the unedited version of the version that doesn't have advertising. So, George,
Speaker 2: how can people get more information from you? What's your
Speaker 2: web address and what's your social media contacts?
Speaker 3: The same Plato project one word Plato project that g R.
Speaker 3: Greace and my email if somebody would like to conduct
Speaker 3: for any reason is Saraan Titis n t I t
Speaker 3: I is sis zero one at gmail com. Dot Com Gmail.
Speaker 2: Right as we conclude, George, what would you like to
Speaker 2: see happen in the next say, five or ten years.
Speaker 2: That kind of proves the fact that Atlantis is where
Speaker 2: you say it is.
Speaker 3: I think things are not so easy there. It's not
Speaker 3: This area is not like to be somewhere in Europe
Speaker 3: or in the United States. You are missing a lot
Speaker 3: of things, and you have to be careful about many things,
Speaker 3: as let's say, to be vaccine from malaria, to be protected,
Speaker 3: what you drink, because we have forgot to drink a
Speaker 3: little bit contaminated water. We need very clean water. So
Speaker 3: there are a lot of things that makes a little
Speaker 3: bit difficult the simple missions there. Now, if somebody goes
Speaker 3: there from curiosity, I don't think that we'll see a
Speaker 3: lot of things because there is no I mean, in
Speaker 3: the cycles, you don't have something to do or to
Speaker 3: dig to dig where if a wave comes and this
Speaker 3: destroys destroyer house over temple, the stones might have gone
Speaker 3: kilometers from there or buried somewhere else. We are not
Speaker 3: talking about a smaller future. You can realize the circles
Speaker 3: only by a plane if it's quite high. So I
Speaker 3: don't think Okay, back from curiosity. Somebody can travel but
Speaker 3: has nothing to do. Hmm, there's nothing needs a very
Speaker 3: organized mission to go and find something. But at least
Speaker 3: from my side, I believe that historically the Atlantic issue
Speaker 3: has been solved because I know all these things that
Speaker 3: we have discussed the last hour. Yeah, now I had
Speaker 3: the text that went and find the depiction on the ground.
Speaker 3: This was impossible to take place if something was wrong
Speaker 3: or wrong or half rog or half true. Let's see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just of the mind, George, that I would
Speaker 2: love to see like a sculpture found there in that area,
Speaker 2: or somebody is using a satellite and they're looking for
Speaker 2: geological formations or whatever, and all of a sudden they
Speaker 2: found they find that the roof of a temple.
Speaker 5: Those when you when you when we understand that Atlantis was,
Speaker 5: you know, populated with millions of people, you would think
Speaker 5: that there would be some remains, even even under the
Speaker 5: uh ruinous wave action of a tsunami. There there should
Speaker 5: be something that we can see.
Speaker 3: But there is, but I cannot that now.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm gonna have to have you back, all right,
Speaker 2: George Sertis, thank you very much. We look forward to
Speaker 2: uh more information coming from you. You don't look like
Speaker 2: you're you're settled, like you're gonna not your your adventure
Speaker 2: is continuing. I think.
Speaker 3: Yes, as long I can walk. Because let's say I
Speaker 3: was ready for an expedition again two years ago and
Speaker 3: I had an accident and I could not work for
Speaker 3: more than a year. Oh my god. Now I'm now
Speaker 3: I can work, not perfectly yet I can't. So there
Speaker 3: are a lot of things I know. So my age,
Speaker 3: I'm not thirty years ago. Yeah. When I started this adventure,
Speaker 3: I was fifty. Now I'm seventy one. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the feeling. George, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for your time, and I really appreciate the work you've done.
Speaker 1: Me.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Cliff was nice to talk about it. I
Speaker 3: wish you a good success in your stories and in
Speaker 3: your work.
Speaker 2: I think this interview with George Sarantidis leaves us with
Speaker 2: more questions than it answers. And I am thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: I acknowledge the powerful force of a tsunami because my
Speaker 2: theory is that the Yucatan Peninsula suffer numerous tsunamis. In fact,
Speaker 2: there are showing geologically that they've been passing over that
Speaker 2: part of Mexico. For hundreds of thousands of years. But
Speaker 2: in the face of Tsunamis, we have the remains of buildings.
Speaker 2: We have what they call the ruins of my civilization. Now,
Speaker 2: when you look at the photographs that are left when
Speaker 2: they first start excavating places like Ushmahl, chichen Itza and Mayapan,
Speaker 2: what we have is buildings that are devastated. In many cases,
Speaker 2: these buildings are covered up and only portions of them
Speaker 2: are showing on the surface. But we still have buildings.
Speaker 2: And I don't see and I haven't seen any evidence
Speaker 2: of buildings in this area that George is telling us
Speaker 2: is the remains of Atlantis. Now, if it's true that
Speaker 2: you know, this is a civilization from the last epoch,
Speaker 2: the Holesaye period, what eleven twelve thousand years ago, then
Speaker 2: that's still not enough for the level of devastation that
Speaker 2: he's suggesting. And I don't know. I haven't followed the
Speaker 2: other researchers that have gone out there to that part
Speaker 2: of western Africa and really surveyed the area. I don't
Speaker 2: know of anyone who's really used some high tech like scanning,
Speaker 2: satellite imagery and things like that to review that area
Speaker 2: to see, you know what could possibly be there that
Speaker 2: is evidence of buildings. The rings, the geological rings are
Speaker 2: a big one for me. I think that's a big
Speaker 2: plus in favor of it being Atlantis. But remember twenty
Speaker 2: five miles A twenty five miles circumference, that's not very big.
Speaker 2: I would think it should be several hundred miles, if
Speaker 2: not bigger, the gigantic rings that supported multiple buildings, pyramids
Speaker 2: and temples, because the Atlantinians are known as or thought
Speaker 2: of as pyramid builders. There's just not enough evidence. And
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that this area of West Africa is
Speaker 2: not the evidence of Atlantis. I just want to see more.
Speaker 2: I want to see some artifacts. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, what George presents is very compelling. I think
Speaker 2: it's fantastic that he reinterpreted these documents that Plato wrote,
Speaker 2: these dialogues are known as, and transcribed them in Greek
Speaker 2: and really came up with a whole different story. What's
Speaker 2: even more amazing is that during this time, when Plato
Speaker 2: was alive, they were doing these mind games. These these
Speaker 2: you know, these are upper level intellectual pursuits where you
Speaker 2: write a story and then you change the tense, you
Speaker 2: change the character, you add hints and and so you
Speaker 2: read and then you have to translate what's being written.
Speaker 2: It's like, why why was that so important?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And what I if I had had more time, what
Speaker 2: I'd would have also asked George is what are the references?
Speaker 2: What are the other examples of that type of writing?
Speaker 2: So it's just very challenging, very very challenging. But I
Speaker 2: appreciate him coming on the program. And I will be
Speaker 2: posting some photographs on Facebook from his book Plato's Atlantis,
Speaker 2: because some of the photographs are really really cool and
Speaker 2: present a different look at where Atlanta's where Atlanta's was located,
Speaker 2: So be sure to check out that. The documentary, it's
Speaker 2: very well done. If you remember Jack Kelly, I mean
Speaker 2: I think he paid for most of it out of
Speaker 2: his own pocket, but we had him on because we
Speaker 2: wanted to promote. So if you want to see The
Speaker 2: Atlanti's Puzzle, the documentary, you can go to for free.
Speaker 2: You can go to YouTube and just protect that it'll
Speaker 2: come up. If you want to see commercial free version
Speaker 2: of go to the Atlantispuzzle dot com and I think
Speaker 2: it is available right when you when you click it,
Speaker 2: right when you go into the first homepage. So I
Speaker 2: liked it. It was very well done and it leaves
Speaker 2: us with us a lot with a lot more questions
Speaker 2: about the fabled land of Atlantis. So I hope you
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