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<v Speaker 1>Atlantis, a lost continent that allegedly sank beneath the waves.

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<v Speaker 1>Ancient Greek manuscripts written by Plato are the myths source.

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<v Speaker 1>But what if the story we think we know is wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>For the first time, fresh research and new translations are

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<v Speaker 1>revealing long misunderstood facts that transform Atlantis from fantasy into

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible reality. Join me on a journey across continents

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<v Speaker 1>and centuries as together we uncover the truth behind the

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<v Speaker 1>Atlantis Puzzle.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the trailer to the Atlantis Puzzle with host Jack Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>We had Jack on the program last October promoting this

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<v Speaker 2>documentary that features my guest today, George Serantidus. He was

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<v Speaker 2>coming to us from Greece, from Athens, Greece, actually, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be talking to him about his decipherment

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<v Speaker 2>of the Plato classic, the Timaeus Dialogues, where he describes

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<v Speaker 2>in very detailed descriptions, in a great deal of detail,

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<v Speaker 2>the people of Atlantis, the rise in the fall of Atlantis,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to learn just how this interpretation leads

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<v Speaker 2>to a whole new geography of the location, the actual

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<v Speaker 2>what he believes is the resting place of Atlantis. Today. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is Cliff, your host of Earth Ancients. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing well today. And I got to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>I have been waiting to speak with George for almost

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<v Speaker 2>a year. I actually wanted to speak with him before

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<v Speaker 2>I got Jack, but Jack Kelly, the writer producer of

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<v Speaker 2>The Atlantis Puzzle, wanted to promote his presentation first. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe to date he has over half a million views

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube. By the way, at the end of this interview,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm suggesting people go to YouTube and find The Atlanti's

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<v Speaker 2>Puzzle to see the whole thing. It's an hour and

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<v Speaker 2>thirty minute documentary with ads. If you want to avoid

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<v Speaker 2>the ads, you can actually see the whole thing on

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<v Speaker 2>the atlantispuzzle dot com. I think he's charging a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of bucks to see it uninterrupted, so that's something to consider.

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<v Speaker 2>Today we're going to talk about the parent location that

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<v Speaker 2>Plato talked about, and it happens to be in West Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is something that has been discussed and featured

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<v Speaker 2>in a number of individual documentaries, YouTube presentations, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as numerous podcasts and radio, radio and TV programs. The

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<v Speaker 2>location of this so called ancient city and country is Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is what we're talking about today. But the

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<v Speaker 2>most interesting aspect of this thought or theory, I should say,

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<v Speaker 2>is a location called the Ratchet structure, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>these concentric circles that are approximately twenty five miles in diameter.

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<v Speaker 2>And that doesn't sound like a lot. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is one of the weak weaknesses the week links

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<v Speaker 2>of this entire theory is that if you have temples

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<v Speaker 2>and pyramids and structures that are part of this design

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<v Speaker 2>that Plato describes quite eloquently in this dialogue, twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>miles in diameter is not going to be enough. And

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing is he describes these canals that lead

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<v Speaker 2>in from the Atlantic Ocean into these concentric circles and

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<v Speaker 2>allow ships to harbor outside of various parts of the city.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if this is Pasadia or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember. We're talking about the specific names of

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<v Speaker 2>the various cities. But it's a challenge to consider this.

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<v Speaker 2>I am going to post a gallery of photographs that

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<v Speaker 2>George features in his book Plato's Atlantis, and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>theme of today's show, Plato's Atlantis, for you to so

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<v Speaker 2>you can make it your own decision on this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Because We've had a few people talk about this on

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<v Speaker 2>the program, and one of the big issues is that

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<v Speaker 2>to date, every exhibit expedition that's gone out to that

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<v Speaker 2>part of Africa, West Africa has not found any significant ruins. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna hear from George today the reason for that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll just put it bluntly. He believes that there

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<v Speaker 2>were monstrous tsunamis. These are active waves generated from the

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<v Speaker 2>Atlantic Ocean that purged the surface of this area of temples,

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<v Speaker 2>of pyramids, of buildings to such a degree that all

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<v Speaker 2>you have left is just the land, the sand, the dirt,

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<v Speaker 2>and the remains of geological formations. So how do we

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<v Speaker 2>how do we rectify this? How do we consider this

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<v Speaker 2>as a possible place for Atlantis. Now, if you do

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<v Speaker 2>a search for West Africa slash Atlantis or just Africa

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<v Speaker 2>West Atlantis, west West Africa, you'll get a page filled

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<v Speaker 2>with this unusual geological formation, the Ratchet structure, which is

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<v Speaker 2>inland about ten miles from the coast of the Atlantic Ocean. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that we'll learn about today is

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<v Speaker 2>that that is that there were large bodies of water

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<v Speaker 2>inland that were developed by lakes and there were lakes

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<v Speaker 2>that were larger than the Nile River that crisscrossed this

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<v Speaker 2>upper area close to Libya and the area that is

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<v Speaker 2>described as ancient ancient Atlantis. But one of the other

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<v Speaker 2>things that is noted is Plato talks about the last

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<v Speaker 2>phase of Atlantis being around roughly twelve thousand years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll learn today that the bulk of the civilization was

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<v Speaker 2>from the Holocene period, which is roughly one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>plus years ago up to about twelve thousand years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And during the Holocene that part of Africa was green.

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<v Speaker 2>It was lush, green, very environmentally friendly, and was perfect

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<v Speaker 2>for cultivation, was perfect for civilization development. And here we

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<v Speaker 2>get into a whole different epoch and this is where

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<v Speaker 2>we look at the Yugas for verification. Remember the Satia

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<v Speaker 2>and the Trita period. The Treta Yugas are much older,

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<v Speaker 2>many thousands of years beyond our comprehension. So our current history,

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<v Speaker 2>a current science has us beginning around seventy eight thousand

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. Of course, we're not talking about quebecley Tepe,

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<v Speaker 2>Karahant Teppe and other Teppees that started around twelve to

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen thousand. Those are not included, but in general Sumerians,

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<v Speaker 2>early pre Egyptians and so forth and so on. Our

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<v Speaker 2>society is developing around then this hole esteem period is

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<v Speaker 2>prior to that, its earlier than that, and so we

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<v Speaker 2>have to look at the possibilities. Now again, we've had

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<v Speaker 2>people like Randall Carlson here, and we've had a handful

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<v Speaker 2>of people talking about the belief of West African being

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<v Speaker 2>the original location for Atlantis. The issues that I have

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of other people have, is that where

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<v Speaker 2>are the ruins. Even a tsunami that would come in land,

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<v Speaker 2>come into land around ten miles wouldn't reach to the

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<v Speaker 2>center of the continent of Africa. So, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know that there's been some significant satellite imagery done

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<v Speaker 2>of this region and there are some unusual buildings and dwellings,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're not to the size that we would support

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred two hundred a million people, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking in the major city, huge city that would

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<v Speaker 2>have to accommodate that many individuals. You know, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to have an industry in place, a civic industry. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to have your food, you have to have areas

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<v Speaker 2>for growing crops. Of course, we don't really know specifically

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<v Speaker 2>how the Tenians lived, if they were vegetarian, if they

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<v Speaker 2>were what present day people would call vegans or vegetarians

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<v Speaker 2>or the meat or whatever. But you need to have

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<v Speaker 2>lots of rich and fertile land to grow crops. You

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<v Speaker 2>need to have land to do animal husbandry, cows, pigs,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever else. So we don't know this. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>huge void in our understanding of this place called Atlantis.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're gonna learn today just what the true definition,

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<v Speaker 2>the true decipherment. And this is what we're gonna hear

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<v Speaker 2>about today, that the Tomaeus and the Cretius dialogues that

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<v Speaker 2>Plato wrote were very specific in what they were presenting,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna learn that a lot of it was

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<v Speaker 2>comprehended incorrectly. It was written down incorrectly from a Western

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<v Speaker 2>point of view, and it's when you read it as

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<v Speaker 2>a Greek and translate it into that language, it reveals

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<v Speaker 2>an entirely different scenario and a history of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of civilization. So today's program is Plato's Atlantis, and my

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<v Speaker 2>interest to not only me, but to a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the people I have on the show. A few months ago,

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<v Speaker 2>we featured Jack Kelly, who was the writer producer for

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<v Speaker 2>a documentary called The Atlantic The Atlantis Puzzle. And you

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<v Speaker 2>can actually see the Atlantis Puzzle on YouTube right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you go to the Atlantispuzzle dot com you

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<v Speaker 2>can see a unedited version that doesn't have advertising. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Jack is charging five bucks for it. I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>But the featured individual in that documentary is a guy

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<v Speaker 2>named George Santa Taritis, and he is with us today.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a Greek electronics engineer. He's coming to us

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<v Speaker 2>from Greece today, and he has written a book called

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<v Speaker 2>Plato's Atlantis, Decoding the most Famous Myth and I've got

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<v Speaker 2>it in my hand right now.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Research project. You can tell that he's spent a great

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<v Speaker 2>deal of time on this. It's very detailed in not

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<v Speaker 2>only the decipherment of them what he calls a Plato's story,

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<v Speaker 2>some people call it a myth, other details that are

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<v Speaker 2>very very important in the story. So we have George

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<v Speaker 2>with us today, which is so very fun because he

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<v Speaker 2>gives us a completely different perspective of Atlantis. So, George,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to Earth Ancient's great to have you on the program.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, how's the weather where you're located today?

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<v Speaker 3>Is like spring? Is that a few days ago was

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit called excellent? It's an island anyway, so

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<v Speaker 3>it's more mild.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about your interest in not only Plato but the

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<v Speaker 2>story of Atlantis. When did this first come to your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>And what was it that made you want to pursue

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<v Speaker 2>the question of the so called fable Atlantis.

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<v Speaker 3>My personal opinion about Atlantis was that it's a fantasy.

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<v Speaker 3>This in the past many years ago, because first time

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<v Speaker 3>I have read it, let's say, when I was twenty

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<v Speaker 3>five years old. Since then I never thought to exam

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<v Speaker 3>deeper the myth of Atlantis. But around the age of

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<v Speaker 3>forty forty five, I had started to be occupied by

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<v Speaker 3>studying the mythology in general. So my first motive, let's say,

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<v Speaker 3>to started studying the Atlantics, was to study the logic

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<v Speaker 3>of a myth. You know, the Greeks, they have much

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<v Speaker 3>respect to their history, and so there are many discussions

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<v Speaker 3>all the years, especially if you are a sailor like me,

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<v Speaker 3>concerning the ancient Greece and philosophy. You know, there are

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of documents and philosophers that start to have a discussion.

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<v Speaker 3>So everybody knew a lot of people believe that that

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<v Speaker 3>So I wanted to examine depth, which is the logic

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<v Speaker 3>or the Atlantis myth, there are exaggerations, a lot of exaggerations,

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<v Speaker 3>but there are also truths. So the question was why somebody,

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<v Speaker 3>way and not like a normal book. Say, of course

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<v Speaker 3>are small in size, Atlantis is the biggest, the longest

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<v Speaker 3>Which is the logic, the hidden logic behind right the motive?

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<v Speaker 3>occupied to make a new translation. If by examining all

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<v Speaker 3>these translations, the main translations that exist, mainly English translation,

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<v Speaker 3>be the opposite meaning. So based on that, I decided

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<v Speaker 3>from the Atlantic Ocean. And you know, the translation has

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<v Speaker 3>is anyway Greek, and every word has a specific translation.

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<v Speaker 3>I means ocean means it's from the word of Kys,

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<v Speaker 3>which means it's moving fast to the ocean. Then they

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<v Speaker 3>sailor all the nautical charts that we have in the sea,

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<v Speaker 3>the Greek maps, they're saying it's gan pelagov, i Onion, Pelagov,

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<v Speaker 3>Libyan Pelagov, Egyptian pelago, Milton Pelagos that are around fourteen

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<v Speaker 3>pelagi within the Mediterranean.

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<v Speaker 2>Can Can you describe real quickly, George, what a pelagos

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<v Speaker 3>To yes, pelago is rather yes, Pelagos is a rather

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<v Speaker 3>small seed which embraces in a short distance because pelas

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<v Speaker 3>means short distance. Agos is the embrace, so it's in

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<v Speaker 3>a short distance braced area sea with islands, peninsulas, bases,

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<v Speaker 3>et cetera. But small size, not big as and nosea okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And there is another ancient word which is pondos. Pondos

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<v Speaker 3>is larger sea than the pelagus. But again it's a

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<v Speaker 3>from large rivers who are entering within pondos and create

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<v Speaker 3>to pass through through the currents. And then is the

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<v Speaker 3>term thallaca like Mediterranean were saying Mediterrannia Thallaca the Black

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<v Speaker 3>which been means hospitable pondos mm hmm. And the GM

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<v Speaker 3>pelag was of course and many other pala. There are

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<v Speaker 3>also some other pondos smaller in size, like the area

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<v Speaker 3>of was Pulus between the Europe and today Turkeys mine.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a small size but has almost the same property.

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<v Speaker 3>So this was the first mistake. Then there are there

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<v Speaker 3>was a series of mistakes and also mistakes. Not only

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<v Speaker 3>it's not a symbol, it's not just a translator mistake,

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<v Speaker 3>it's also the interpretation mm hmm. So the translation of

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<v Speaker 3>Financian text is very difficult task because you have to

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<v Speaker 3>the pre era of this writer, every word what can mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Which is the exact meaning because the words are changing

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<v Speaker 3>me and you have to have the correct explanation for

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<v Speaker 3>the specific writer. But also you have to look in

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<v Speaker 3>So there was a case for one word work for

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<v Speaker 3>two weeks, three weeks to find out the exact meaning. Wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I have a huge collection from lexicons that to study

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<v Speaker 3>the language from the very ancient archiical years. Also in

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<v Speaker 4>You saying that find a very early Greek version or

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<v Speaker 2>You had to go way back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you have to examine, going back hundreds of years

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<v Speaker 3>word in your heads, the right explanation. So start to

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<v Speaker 3>correct a lot of words within the text and also

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<v Speaker 3>some phrases. Plato is exceptional right these things that he writes,

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<v Speaker 3>especially in these books, because these books were written as

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<v Speaker 3>long as he was in he was very old at

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<v Speaker 3>the end of his life, and he was also invader

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<v Speaker 3>of some words. He was constructive words. There is a

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<v Speaker 3>book of later cartillos where Plato is playing with them

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<v Speaker 3>and trying to transfer how every word can start to

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<v Speaker 3>be designed and find the right meaning. Plato was very

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<v Speaker 3>accurate word by word in all his books. He's very

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<v Speaker 3>accurate without any mistakes in the language, or in the syntax,

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<v Speaker 3>or in the drama. So and Athletics is also a

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<v Speaker 3>book that has very accurate text through the centuries. We

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<v Speaker 3>know for sure that this is a correct text. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>The first difficulty is to translate correct every word, every phrase,

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<v Speaker 3>every paragraph the whole books Antimius andri Fears. But during

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<v Speaker 3>the author wanted to write. This is a second part

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<v Speaker 3>of the difficulty when you're translating an ancient text. The

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<v Speaker 3>last part, the third part, which is something that someone

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<v Speaker 3>could not proceed, is to find evidences that can fit

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<v Speaker 3>in these descriptions, or to reject the lies and keep

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<v Speaker 3>the real story. So with this procedure, suddenly starts to

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<v Speaker 3>realize that there is a systematic method of writing a myth,

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<v Speaker 3>not by any by players. Of course, the surprise was

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<v Speaker 3>that when I have served a lot of find a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of laws and actions within the text, I could

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<v Speaker 3>apply them as it was in the Odissese. And it

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<v Speaker 3>was a very huge surprise that it was very easy

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<v Speaker 3>after that to find out what Omer wanted to write

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<v Speaker 3>on his book. Because it's not only that you're already

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<v Speaker 3>a different story. There is a hidden story in parts

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<v Speaker 3>of the text under the text. Yeah, yeah, right about example.

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<v Speaker 2>You write about this George. It's kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>learning tool in your Yes, can you talk real quickly?

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, yes, I will tell you a few a

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<v Speaker 3>few things about it. There is also a video in

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<v Speaker 3>the Cubethodology of Mythology of the two thousand four. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it was my last conference presenting this methodology in the

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<v Speaker 3>Club of the Philologists in Greece. So you know this, say,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, is a myth with the oddiss who was

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<v Speaker 3>traveling make twelve adventures, making twelve adventures lies of course,

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<v Speaker 3>the most of a week with cyclopes with Lesligans, with

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<v Speaker 3>such things, also with a visit in eighties in the underworld. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I took this myth because I like it. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>masterpiece from the cultural side, from the narrative side. And

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<v Speaker 3>finally under this myth, it's a hidden calendar. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>hidden calendar, which is the first time that has been

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<v Speaker 3>discovered a calendar written because it's written under the text,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have the duration of the moon cycles of

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<v Speaker 3>the sun, the duration of the days of the year,

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<v Speaker 3>either the celestial or from the observer from the Earth,

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<v Speaker 3>what disease and it's a very important information for that era.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a strategic information so also there is a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of inforformations, and there are always confirmations that this

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<v Speaker 3>that we have read is correct. There is a method

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<v Speaker 3>inside the text that if you have repetitions of this

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<v Speaker 3>in the first statement, then you have a confirmation of

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<v Speaker 3>the truth. Otherwise you reject the story. This is one

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<v Speaker 3>in the same story of the visit of a disay

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<v Speaker 3>in Edgies was also a description of the Orion constellation

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<v Speaker 3>and its exact depiction on the surface of the moon.

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<v Speaker 3>These things do not exist inside the text. You will

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<v Speaker 3>never read it. But when you see the logic analysis

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<v Speaker 3>of the text, finally you will see that you are

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<v Speaker 3>in front of a new book. So there was many surprises.

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<v Speaker 3>Same is happening in Plato. And Plato is not hiding

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<v Speaker 3>that has copied the method from the homed because he

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<v Speaker 3>has references to address you back there. But there are

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<v Speaker 3>some differences. Let's say both myths have twelve logs are

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<v Speaker 3>governed by twelve lords. Plato has also twelve actionios. But

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<v Speaker 3>in no this say I found so far seventeen actions.

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<v Speaker 3>The difference is the main difference is that Omer, when

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<v Speaker 3>he likes to confirm it truth, repeats the phrase or

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<v Speaker 3>the sentence as it is in another part of the book,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have to keeping track all this God Plato,

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<v Speaker 3>and depending from the size of the line or the

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<v Speaker 3>first statement, who might sound incredible has the same proportion.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say if I say that of confirmations, so a

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<v Speaker 3>very incredible statement might have three four confirmations, as a

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<v Speaker 3>small importance statement might have one or two confirmations. Plato

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<v Speaker 3>from the other side is doing the same thing, but

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<v Speaker 3>has only one repetition. But she is not repeating the

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<v Speaker 3>phrase or the setence. She's repeating the meaning that means

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<v Speaker 3>you might have a very different settence in front of you,

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<v Speaker 3>but the final meaning of the two sentences is exactly

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<v Speaker 3>the same.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna take a short break to allow our sponsors

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<v Speaker 2>to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my

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<v Speaker 2>guests today George Sarantius coming to us from Greece and

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<v Speaker 2>he is discussing his book Plato's Atlantis. We will be

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<v Speaker 2>right back. My guest today is George Sarantidis. He is

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<v Speaker 2>an engineer who has studied Plato's dialogues for many many

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<v Speaker 2>years and written a book called Plato's Atlantis, where he

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<v Speaker 2>describes where Plato actually places the fabled land of Atlantis. Okay, George,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just stop you for a minute because I

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<v Speaker 2>want to get this is very interesting because what you're

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<v Speaker 2>telling me is that the Tomaeis and the Creedias are

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of a mind puzzle that is being created

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<v Speaker 2>to help the reader, I don't know, break through to

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<v Speaker 2>the to the to the logical side of the material.

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<v Speaker 2>And then here we are talking about Atlantis, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's covered in all this. Uh you call them lies,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I wonder is this a way of classical

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<v Speaker 2>Greek writing that were that?

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<v Speaker 4>Were?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, did you find other examples of this?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? Of course this concern only the myths, and only

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<v Speaker 3>the myths of Plato and Homer. Mm hm. I can

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<v Speaker 3>apply them also in another mythological book Boom, which is

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<v Speaker 3>the orphics. Uh. You have also many similarities there. So

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<v Speaker 3>that means that a myth constructed by Plato or Omen

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<v Speaker 3>is a very high scientific document. Nobody has understand so

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<v Speaker 3>far that they could write in this special way a

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<v Speaker 3>story because it's not the story by itself, but it's

428
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<v Speaker 3>the whole bunch of stories that contain story, but you

429
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<v Speaker 3>have to extract. And also, of course the philosophical meanings

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<v Speaker 3>that every myth might have. Okay, don't forget. We must

431
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<v Speaker 3>not forget that Plato was addressing only to make sure men.

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<v Speaker 3>The students of Plato was not the children. The children

433
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<v Speaker 3>or the tolesions had to be teached by other teachers,

434
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:51.800
<v Speaker 3>and Plato was taken from the high school, let's say, graduates,

435
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<v Speaker 3>to give them the highest education. Also demand of Plato

436
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<v Speaker 3>is to the most of his books, but especially in

437
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:09.960
<v Speaker 3>Tamous Sanctity years, is to give you a problem to solve,

438
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<v Speaker 3>because according to the Platonic philosophy, the point is not

439
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:25.320
<v Speaker 3>to learn something, it's to study in death and provokes

440
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Speaker 3>your logic always to find what is happening in this sentence,

441
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.360
<v Speaker 3>in the next meanning, in the next meanning, or it

442
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.360
<v Speaker 3>gives you split a lot of meanings and you have

443
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<v Speaker 3>to combine them in one million. You have to have

444
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.880
<v Speaker 3>a memory that you needed, of course to learn something.

445
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<v Speaker 3>But also you have to be in a lead when

446
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<v Speaker 3>you're reading Plato, because he gives you an easy text

447
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<v Speaker 3>and suddenly he increases is the difficulty of the degree

448
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:07.800
<v Speaker 3>of the difficulty, And if you are not in alert

449
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:16.159
<v Speaker 3>and you lose this important step of writing, you lost

450
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.360
<v Speaker 3>the meaning of the most important meaning that Plato wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to trust.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me stop you for a minute, of George, let

453
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<v Speaker 2>me just stop you real quick. Would you say that

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<v Speaker 2>in your study and translation of the Timius, that you

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<v Speaker 2>would consider that Atlantics was well known at the time

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<v Speaker 2>of Plato's life, that it was a common knowledge civilization.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it was the knowledge of the work of Plato,

458
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<v Speaker 3>not the Atlantis as a story, because usually this story

459
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<v Speaker 3>who had to be studied by initiates or mature men

460
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:11.599
<v Speaker 3>who liked to be initiates. At the end, you know,

461
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Plato believed that the highest knowledge must belong to very

462
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<v Speaker 3>high educated persons, but also good characters, because this knowledge

463
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:37.079
<v Speaker 3>could not split to share it with anybody, because the

464
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:47.199
<v Speaker 3>knowledge is power. This wasn't in absolutely difference with the

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<v Speaker 3>Aristotelic method. Aristotle wanted all the knowledge that he had

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<v Speaker 3>as a teacher could transfer it to his students without

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<v Speaker 3>to take care to have let's say, a private school

468
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<v Speaker 3>with private knowledges of that time. So I think it

469
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<v Speaker 3>was the biggest difference between these two philosophers. You know,

470
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<v Speaker 3>Aristotle was a student or later for almost twenty years,

471
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<v Speaker 3>and I think this was their main different as philosophers.

472
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:38.679
<v Speaker 3>It was a different school, a different cult. So this

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<v Speaker 3>was a story. But at the same time, with the

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<v Speaker 3>progress of this methodology of mythology, which was filled up

475
00:45:52.599 --> 00:46:01.039
<v Speaker 3>with surprises, huge surprises. But after that you would predict

476
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:05.480
<v Speaker 3>what you're going to find in front of you. If

477
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:14.159
<v Speaker 3>you understand the method then things are much easier. I

478
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:18.719
<v Speaker 3>have started to understand that something totally different is happening

479
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:26.000
<v Speaker 3>with the Atlantish story. Plato was giving totally different informations.

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<v Speaker 3>That is that everybody knows from the traditional translations of

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<v Speaker 3>job or tail or one hundred years ago, one hundred

482
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<v Speaker 3>and fifty years ago, and the informations and the picture

483
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:54.360
<v Speaker 3>that we have is totally different. The second surprise, or

484
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<v Speaker 3>second very important surprise, was the pillars of her I

485
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<v Speaker 3>knew as almost all that the pillars of Heracles could

486
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<v Speaker 3>be I think Gibraltar side, but this was not the case.

487
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 3>Platoid describing a much different place for the pillars of

488
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Heraclis in Greece's Stella of Heracles. Stella is not pillars,

489
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:37.679
<v Speaker 3>it's not a calum anyway. It has a small part

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<v Speaker 3>inside the book where he's giving the exact position of

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<v Speaker 3>the pillars of Heracles. But it was so difficult to

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<v Speaker 3>develop the whole logic of the text that I left it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the only part of the two books that

494
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<v Speaker 3>I left it for the end. I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 3>sure if I understood well or making a special effort.

496
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<v Speaker 3>In the meanwhile, of course, I found the other philosophers,

497
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:22.239
<v Speaker 3>Greek philosophers who were giving also were giving a different

498
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:29.800
<v Speaker 3>direction of the Pilazo it like Aristota, by retranslating a

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00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:35.719
<v Speaker 3>text from a book of Aristo. Otherwise you have the

500
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:41.000
<v Speaker 3>same problem. So in all of the cases, the pillarsa

501
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:48.440
<v Speaker 3>Eracles were well located in the small cirties Pay, which

502
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:52.480
<v Speaker 3>is the gulf of ga base in Tuenis.

503
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.840
<v Speaker 2>The pillars of Hercules were in Tunisia.

504
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:03.519
<v Speaker 3>Between Tunisia and Libya is on the home of the

505
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 3>Bay of Gabet, where there is a river, a Gabez river.

506
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:17.920
<v Speaker 3>So after that is giving a direction after you pass

507
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:23.719
<v Speaker 3>the philosophy erectly, which I know from other philosophers that

508
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:26.760
<v Speaker 3>it was four to five days trip with a boat

509
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:33.519
<v Speaker 3>traveling to west, that you're arriving at the edge of

510
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:43.239
<v Speaker 3>the Atlantis continent. Then by correcting some special words within

511
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:47.400
<v Speaker 3>the text and phrases you have in front of you.

512
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:54.800
<v Speaker 3>The picture of a semicycle continent island. Continent island is

513
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<v Speaker 3>named something that is surrounded by water, any kind of water,

514
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<v Speaker 3>but if it's a very large size, then you call

515
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<v Speaker 3>it a condi also, and then he gives a direction.

516
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<v Speaker 3>She's telling you to go on the middle distance of

517
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<v Speaker 3>the two edges of this semi site to find a poros.

518
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<v Speaker 3>Pors is a narrow canal, and this drives you. After

519
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<v Speaker 3>you have passed an Atlantic Pondos, which is a difference

520
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:39.880
<v Speaker 3>inside Africa. And after passing a Poros, you are reaching

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<v Speaker 3>in another Atlantic Pelagos. There are two pelagi Atlantic the

522
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:51.800
<v Speaker 3>same name. And then you are reaching an island which

523
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<v Speaker 3>is at the end you you find out that it's

524
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<v Speaker 3>a rhombic eye with the ratio one to four in

525
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:11.440
<v Speaker 3>almost the middle of this island. The Romic island describes

526
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<v Speaker 3>the cycles the non cycles of the Atlantis, which are

527
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:19.159
<v Speaker 3>not three or four, they are five in total with

528
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:23.960
<v Speaker 3>a corrected text. And also there is no one canal.

529
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<v Speaker 3>There are two canals from the descriptions. The second one

530
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:32.360
<v Speaker 3>is very interesting. I made the travel especially for this

531
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:42.440
<v Speaker 3>reason by Italia during that time, and all these I mean,

532
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:49.800
<v Speaker 3>the the cycles are within the Erobic Island, the Robic

533
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:56.320
<v Speaker 3>Island is within the island continent of Atlantis. And all

534
00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:59.800
<v Speaker 3>these are in the same are in the middle of

535
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:07.639
<v Speaker 3>the either on the length or and the breath for

536
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:14.840
<v Speaker 3>the while. Yet Okay, when I was writing this, translating

537
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:17.719
<v Speaker 3>the text, I said, okay, this is impossible to have

538
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:21.280
<v Speaker 3>such a case in planet Earth or in the galaxy

539
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:26.599
<v Speaker 3>or I don't know how many galaxies exist, because it's

540
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:33.480
<v Speaker 3>out of any equazy days, I inform you that everything

541
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:37.239
<v Speaker 3>is according exactly this that I tell you. I just

542
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:43.239
<v Speaker 3>told is the middle distance in the continent in the

543
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:48.159
<v Speaker 3>Rhobic Islands, and there are the five circles, there are

544
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:54.320
<v Speaker 3>two canals, and all the measurements are in agreement with

545
00:52:54.480 --> 00:53:01.519
<v Speaker 3>the declination of one to five percent ending what you're

546
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:07.199
<v Speaker 3>looking for. Ah, and say, it's also that the island,

547
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:14.840
<v Speaker 3>the Rumbic Island, targets the pillars of Heracles, and this

548
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:16.559
<v Speaker 3>indeed happens as well.

549
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we need to tell people, We need to tell

550
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:25.199
<v Speaker 2>people that you are referring to western Africa.

551
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, this is not all the western.

552
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not an island in the Atlantic Ocean. It's

553
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:38.960
<v Speaker 2>not off off of Spain, the Azores. It is the

554
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:43.159
<v Speaker 2>land mass known as Western Africa.

555
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:48.880
<v Speaker 3>If you see the west part of Africa, it's like

556
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:57.599
<v Speaker 3>a semicyite. The edges are specified at the north at

557
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:01.440
<v Speaker 3>the grounds of Gabees where the pilars of Erectlis, where

558
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:07.480
<v Speaker 3>the south edge is the exit of the Digular river,

559
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:14.679
<v Speaker 3>and the middle where the strikes are are in maritime.

560
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:28.119
<v Speaker 3>The rest area as his name. So this is out

561
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:37.039
<v Speaker 3>of any coincidence mathematically that could match this text with

562
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:44.719
<v Speaker 3>this geographical description, but it agrees.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I was absolutely sure that I had a

565
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:53.519
<v Speaker 3>correct text. Yeah, because everything was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Plato talks about a horrific destruct and that the

567
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<v Speaker 2>landform was was submerged. Ah, how do we how do

568
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:12.400
<v Speaker 2>we explain that? Is that more of the myth and

569
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.719
<v Speaker 2>what really happened was a massive tsunami that destroyed the.

570
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<v Speaker 3>Area that was there is another serious mistake of the translator.

571
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<v Speaker 3>Two things happened. When Plato describes that the Athenian army

572
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<v Speaker 3>went to Atlantis for the final body, Suddenly and a

573
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<v Speaker 3>very large earthquake took place. The army of the Athenians

574
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:54.480
<v Speaker 3>were buried, was buried under the ground, and then the

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00:55:55.119 --> 00:56:03.039
<v Speaker 3>all the translations referred that the Atlantic continent sank. Right,

576
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:09.400
<v Speaker 3>This is a huge mistake because the word that Plato uses,

577
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:17.440
<v Speaker 3>it's a special word which might mean either cover or sank.

578
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.960
<v Speaker 3>If you examine the seed rex there is a special

579
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:29.199
<v Speaker 3>condition named poetic cause in English there is as an

580
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<v Speaker 3>as a grammatical statement when the energy of everb returns

581
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:44.119
<v Speaker 3>to itself has another meaning that the energy of the

582
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:51.400
<v Speaker 3>verb goes to a subject. So the translators may correct

583
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:56.519
<v Speaker 3>translate that the army the Greek garment was buried under

584
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:05.119
<v Speaker 3>al But it was mistaken trust lay that the Atlantis

585
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:10.519
<v Speaker 3>continent sank because they could not imagine that the sea

586
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:16.360
<v Speaker 3>was covering the continent. But here exists also another mistake.

587
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:20.559
<v Speaker 3>It was not the continent that was covered by sea,

588
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:27.440
<v Speaker 3>neither the RONGB type. It was only the cycles in

589
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:33.519
<v Speaker 3>the middle of the wrong type, which is very easily

590
00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:37.639
<v Speaker 3>to announce. To imagine how that happened, he describes any

591
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:47.280
<v Speaker 3>way where the wave was produced by liquefaction. There he's

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00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:53.000
<v Speaker 3>using his and the word that Plato has constructed is

593
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:58.519
<v Speaker 3>giving says a word is on man was produced by

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00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Plato to describe that is a situation under a network

595
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:09.599
<v Speaker 3>that the sand is losing the connectivity and creates the liquefaction.

596
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:17.840
<v Speaker 3>So see not so many mistakes in a number, but

597
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:25.039
<v Speaker 3>the very important mistakes which reorganize the thoughts around the

598
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:31.519
<v Speaker 3>Atlantic story. So whatever has been written so far, whatever

599
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:35.159
<v Speaker 3>has been presented so far about that is based on

600
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:35.960
<v Speaker 3>a wrong translation.

601
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

602
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:44.519
<v Speaker 3>And these translation is one hundred percent part okay in

603
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:48.639
<v Speaker 3>both of the books.

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00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Tell us about what we have discovered, because we since

605
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:56.800
<v Speaker 2>this movie The Lattice Puzzle came out and your work

606
00:58:56.840 --> 00:59:01.079
<v Speaker 2>has been published, a number of people and researchers have

607
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:06.039
<v Speaker 2>used satellite imagery to discover this one part of this

608
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:17.119
<v Speaker 2>western African plane with circular as Plato described it, circular geology.

609
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:20.760
<v Speaker 2>You know. In fact, there's one guy who said that

610
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:25.719
<v Speaker 2>he found the main canal that Plato describes that leads

611
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:29.960
<v Speaker 2>from the Atlantis Atlantic Ocean all the way into the

612
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.440
<v Speaker 2>middle of this these concentric rings talk about that.

613
00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Firstly, sem possible to find a canal from the Atlantic

614
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:42.360
<v Speaker 3>Ocean because there is no connection with the Atlantic Ocean atolly,

615
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:47.760
<v Speaker 3>even the Atlantic Ocean shatrounds or the worst part of

616
00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:54.880
<v Speaker 3>the Africa and of Atlantis bond in Iceland bonding. We

617
00:59:54.960 --> 01:00:00.840
<v Speaker 3>are talking about seas in the east side part of Africa.

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01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:07.639
<v Speaker 3>Everything that is happening there or happened there was the

619
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:11.920
<v Speaker 3>inside part of the continent, not the outside to the

620
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:17.880
<v Speaker 3>athletic Ossian no connection at all. The area is higher

621
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 3>around four hundred and forty meters four hundred and twenty

622
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:30.480
<v Speaker 3>meters over the today level of the ocean, and there

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<v Speaker 3>is no direct exit or entrance to the oceanel from

624
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:46.880
<v Speaker 3>the ocean. Everything has happened on the inside part. All

625
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:52.519
<v Speaker 3>the descriptions of Plato concerned the inside part of Africa.

626
01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:01.639
<v Speaker 3>And of course, because a lot of people have been

627
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:12.119
<v Speaker 3>produced reader videos or books with this area, describing this area,

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<v Speaker 3>I must say that all of them they made a

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<v Speaker 3>critical mistake. Okay, never they have referred in my findings

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<v Speaker 3>in this vibor. But everybody was trying to give his

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<v Speaker 3>own explanation of the story. But you don't need to

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<v Speaker 3>do it, because the translates refers in everything as every

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<v Speaker 3>tiny detail inside there about the whole story of the Atlantics.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course a couple of playerists are uncovered because

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<v Speaker 3>they are describing an island, continent, an island, and a

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<v Speaker 3>capital city. There is no translation to refer in these

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<v Speaker 3>three different Attlantics only. My translation is a refer about

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<v Speaker 3>but because they are not familiar with Plato or with

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<v Speaker 3>the ancient text in general, they made this simply mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not the only one. There are lot of mistake,

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<v Speaker 3>but this is a very obviecus mistake, so that since

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<v Speaker 3>the story in Cliff, it was a very big surprise.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a very difficult task. It took me many

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<v Speaker 3>years of research. I think I was from the first

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<v Speaker 3>who have studied all the climatic changes within the Africa

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<v Speaker 3>concerning this part of the Africa, the west side where

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<v Speaker 3>the eyelight quandine that exist. And in order to find

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<v Speaker 3>out all these details from the few informations which existing

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<v Speaker 3>during that time, it was not easy. Even from Google,

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01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:21.280
<v Speaker 3>you could not find a lot of informations. The computers

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01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:25.719
<v Speaker 3>were very slow during that time. The pictures or the

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01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:31.760
<v Speaker 3>screens have low resolution. Yeah, it was very primitive. Let's

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01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:38.119
<v Speaker 3>say for such selves all this hardwood. Yeah, and so we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to take a commercial break to allow our sponsors

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<v Speaker 2>to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my

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<v Speaker 2>guest today, author research investigator George Sarantides coming to us

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<v Speaker 2>from Greece, and he is describing his newest book, Plato's Atlantis,

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<v Speaker 2>will be right back. We're featuring George Sarantius, the author

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<v Speaker 2>of Plato's Atlantis.

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<v Speaker 3>Today.

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<v Speaker 2>He's featured in the Atlantis Puzzle, which was hosted by

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Kelly, and we're getting a sense of exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>his research is leading to and the details of the

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<v Speaker 2>true location of the fabled land of Atlantis. In the

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<v Speaker 2>documentary tree, what has explained is at the time of

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<v Speaker 2>Atlantis' high height as a developed nation, where they were

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<v Speaker 2>was considered green sahara or a very lush and a

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<v Speaker 2>cultivated green area, not what it looks like now, and

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<v Speaker 2>would have been able to sustain life much greater than

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<v Speaker 2>it does now. Talk about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Publica I exist inside the book where they have located,

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<v Speaker 3>where there is water under the sun and in which depth.

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<v Speaker 3>In some areas you have water five meters under the surface,

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<v Speaker 3>in some other areas fifty meters under the set. But

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<v Speaker 3>the quantities of the world are normals. Just imagine that

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<v Speaker 3>Kadaffi thirty years ago, except for oil, he was drilling

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01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:18.920
<v Speaker 3>to find some areas underground which contained a lot of water.

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<v Speaker 3>Because there is a lack of water in Liby in general,

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01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:30.519
<v Speaker 3>they found so much water that have constructed a network

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<v Speaker 3>of pipes around thirteen to fifteen feet in diameter to

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01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:46.519
<v Speaker 3>carry enormous quantities billion liters per day. They can carry

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<v Speaker 3>to all the cities of Liby. And so it was

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<v Speaker 3>not only the black gold the oil that they have found.

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<v Speaker 3>They found also another girl, which is the water. And

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<v Speaker 3>this water has an age of ten thousand years.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's underground aquifers that are supplying as.

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<v Speaker 3>Well aqua fires aquifers here. So after all this adventure

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<v Speaker 3>start to make sense some other stories. For instance, there

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01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:36.400
<v Speaker 3>was a Greek explorer captain with his ship. It was

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<v Speaker 3>not Befairs from Marseille who was traveling systematically to England

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01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:50.719
<v Speaker 3>to bring zinc fourteen to Greece from Marseille. Arseille was

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01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:57.199
<v Speaker 3>a Greek colony in France. It was also a femalist,

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<v Speaker 3>another famous seafarer whose book we don't have the book,

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<v Speaker 3>but we have descriptions from other philosophers who have copies

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<v Speaker 3>partially some parts of his storage. And he was describing

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<v Speaker 3>some areas which was impossible to fit in the then

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01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:24.520
<v Speaker 3>knowledge that we have about Africa. As soon I found

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<v Speaker 3>this way to travel inside that it has fit absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>to history, and according to the descriptions, he had reached

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<v Speaker 3>up to the Lake Chad, which is some thousand miles

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01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:53.479
<v Speaker 3>away from the Gulf of Gabage. Also it has explained,

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<v Speaker 3>you know when the Romans will Skipion. The general Escapion

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01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:12.199
<v Speaker 3>went and destroy Carthage. He visited the largest temple who

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<v Speaker 3>was donated to the Jews of the Carthaginians, Valve I

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01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:24.119
<v Speaker 3>think was the name. Together with him he had an historian,

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<v Speaker 3>a Greek historian Polybius. He's very famous, very well known,

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01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:33.800
<v Speaker 3>who was writing all the expedition of the Roman arby

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01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:44.079
<v Speaker 3>and they found a plaque still inside the temple which

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<v Speaker 3>describes the first expedition of the Cafeginians to find an

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01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:58.520
<v Speaker 3>established colonists somewhere. So far, everybody was trying to explain

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01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:03.840
<v Speaker 3>this by try around Africa on the outside of the

712
01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Atlantic ocean side, but it was not fitting at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it was fitting perfectly inside the Africa. Another surprise

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01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:25.279
<v Speaker 3>was that trying to study in detail the stories of Herodotus,

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<v Speaker 3>because Erodotus, the father of history, was walking all the

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<v Speaker 3>descriptions he is giving on his books, has walked in

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01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:45.840
<v Speaker 3>all these directories. By exploring all these areas, and I

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01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:50.880
<v Speaker 3>made also some corrections there in his description. The most

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<v Speaker 3>impressive was one word from this word comes out that

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<v Speaker 3>Libya was a peninsula. If you look Libya today, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not peninsula, it's just an issue next to the Mediterranean Sea.

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<v Speaker 3>But during that time it was a peninsula, so.

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<v Speaker 2>The rivers were much much bigger. And the time of

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<v Speaker 2>Heroditus is what you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying, yes, yes, Because after that I had explained three

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01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:33.960
<v Speaker 3>circumnavigations of Africa, who again have many black spots on

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01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:38.479
<v Speaker 3>the explanations when they were trying to place the boats

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<v Speaker 3>and deciptions around these guys. Persians during that time have

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01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:51.399
<v Speaker 3>passed inside Africa. But the second mission that they made

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01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:56.640
<v Speaker 3>could not pass because the level of the water was

731
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<v Speaker 3>low and the ships could not pass and they had

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01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:10.760
<v Speaker 3>to return. I want to to say that with this explanation,

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<v Speaker 3>I have a fantastic tool, which is the methodology of mythology.

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<v Speaker 3>We have the pillars of Heracles, who will correct a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of things in their history, because in Gibraltar the

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<v Speaker 3>pillars of Heracles were specified in the Romance which is

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<v Speaker 3>after the third century Busy and No. And then we

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<v Speaker 3>have the explanation of the three circum navigations of Africa,

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<v Speaker 3>the Libyan Peninsula another surprise, and there are also other information.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you just the shadders. Yeah, we uh and

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01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:13.720
<v Speaker 3>let them work with this, not in my life, I believe,

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01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:18.560
<v Speaker 3>because it will present a lot of new information and

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01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:22.560
<v Speaker 3>the people can find now many other things that other

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01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:26.000
<v Speaker 3>researchers were searching for years and that we're not explaining

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01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:33.479
<v Speaker 3>many things. Now they have the base to make a

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<v Speaker 3>correct an analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>When when we started that, George, when we started at

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<v Speaker 2>the very beginning, before we started the interview, I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>to you that there have been some expeditions to this

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<v Speaker 2>area that has concentric geological rings, and yes, no one

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<v Speaker 2>has found temples or foundations of any kind of You said,

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01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:02.439
<v Speaker 2>it's not possible, because why.

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01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:09.520
<v Speaker 3>It's not possible, because the surface of every ring is

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01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:16.239
<v Speaker 3>very narrow, depends two hundred and three hundred meters, it's

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<v Speaker 3>very sallow, it's very close to the sea level. If

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01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:30.239
<v Speaker 3>a tsunami will come have sweeped everything, nothing can standing

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01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:35.199
<v Speaker 3>anam of that size that took place during that time.

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<v Speaker 3>And not only that, a tsunami through a sand area

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01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:46.119
<v Speaker 3>is producing a lot of mud. That means the density

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01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:51.840
<v Speaker 3>of the tsunami. It's enormous. It's very much more dense,

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01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:59.600
<v Speaker 3>much more dense than just what that means. Any construction

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01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:04.720
<v Speaker 3>will disappear in front of such a way. And it's

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01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:09.920
<v Speaker 3>not only one way a tsunami. There are several waves coming.

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<v Speaker 3>So but I believe there are other very interesting things

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01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:22.600
<v Speaker 3>that we can find. Okay, a confirmation might be within

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01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:29.720
<v Speaker 3>this area, which is very large area. It's forty almost

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01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:40.159
<v Speaker 3>fort kilometers radios. We might find split here and there

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01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:49.359
<v Speaker 3>stones from their construction. Of course, because I had some

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01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:53.960
<v Speaker 3>such conversation with several people who took me at phone,

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01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:57.920
<v Speaker 3>send me email, and they are looking to find God

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01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:04.920
<v Speaker 3>the such things. This is not possible to find gold

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01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:10.520
<v Speaker 3>or copper and the size that Plato describes, because what

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01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:18.640
<v Speaker 3>is happening Plato in side timags describes a very real story,

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01:16:20.079 --> 01:16:24.319
<v Speaker 3>but it's a small part of the story. In critias

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01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:37.720
<v Speaker 3>has very impressive descriptions with huge constructions of temples, metals, ships.

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01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:44.319
<v Speaker 3>I think this part is exaggerated on the mythological side

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01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:49.000
<v Speaker 3>of the story. So there is a real story that

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01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:54.399
<v Speaker 3>we have to concentrate, and the false story, which is

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01:16:56.039 --> 01:17:03.000
<v Speaker 3>fairy take but atlant is worse, exists indeed, this is

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<v Speaker 3>for sure.

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01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:13.800
<v Speaker 2>So a country that's that big, wouldn't they have satellites

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01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:17.119
<v Speaker 2>or other small city locations up and down the coast

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01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:21.560
<v Speaker 2>of Africa or present day Africa. I mean, it's funny

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01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:25.119
<v Speaker 2>because you're talking about the location being in West Africa

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01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:30.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's so close to Cairo. Are we confusing the

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01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Egyptians for the.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not close at all? Well, so we're a big distance. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the edge of the continent from magip might be

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01:17:43.039 --> 01:17:48.199
<v Speaker 3>one thousand, seven hundred kilometers, yes, eight. Now the middle

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01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:53.079
<v Speaker 3>of the continent might be three thousand kilometers, So the

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01:17:53.199 --> 01:18:02.079
<v Speaker 3>distance are huge. But I believe must exist some ruins

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01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:07.880
<v Speaker 3>on the rhombicale in some areas of the Romic area.

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01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:16.760
<v Speaker 3>But you know, the whole territory has been very fairly

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01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:26.399
<v Speaker 3>excavated or make any geological research because there were not

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01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:34.159
<v Speaker 3>such important information about an ancient, very ancient civilization deserve.

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<v Speaker 3>So the most of the informations that we have are

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01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:47.720
<v Speaker 3>just a few. It's not detailed area like the Egit

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01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:55.920
<v Speaker 3>or Ethiopia to analyze it, and I can say it's

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01:18:55.960 --> 01:19:01.199
<v Speaker 3>not an easy also area to go because you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have roads if you would like to take the car

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01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:10.439
<v Speaker 3>and go somewhere else. I was trying, although I had

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01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:15.920
<v Speaker 3>the GPS with me. You can be isolated somewhere and

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01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:18.600
<v Speaker 3>there's no way to come back after they have to

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01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:22.960
<v Speaker 3>take you with an helicopter take you back. Yeah, there

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01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:26.960
<v Speaker 3>is no road. But when we are saying there's no road,

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01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:34.239
<v Speaker 3>stop desert, it's a mountain set. You have to follow

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01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:38.119
<v Speaker 3>the track with the accuracy of one to three meters,

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01:19:38.199 --> 01:19:42.479
<v Speaker 3>let's say, to follow up your road tracks to return.

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01:19:44.239 --> 01:19:46.960
<v Speaker 3>And of course you will not find gas, you will

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<v Speaker 3>not find water, you will not find the supplies or anything,

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01:19:52.119 --> 01:19:56.279
<v Speaker 3>neither communication. I had the satellite phone and during your

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01:19:56.399 --> 01:19:59.720
<v Speaker 3>time in order to be able to ask for help.

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01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:04.760
<v Speaker 3>I it wasn't necessary. But after that I did the

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<v Speaker 3>risk because I had also other people, me Mariitonians in

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01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:14.079
<v Speaker 3>the mission and didn't want to have any risks to them,

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01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:18.359
<v Speaker 3>especially to them, but also for myself.

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01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:27.199
<v Speaker 2>In the In the documentary that Jack Kelly produced the

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01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Atlantis Puzzle, he says that and according to your research,

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01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:38.239
<v Speaker 2>that the Lantinians lived during the Holocene period, which is

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01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:41.000
<v Speaker 2>it ended roughly twelve thousand years ago, but it could

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<v Speaker 2>be you know, Holo scene is over one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>years in the past. Is it your belief that the

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01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Atlantinians were extremely old, that their inception period was maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a eighty ninety one hundred thousand years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>So well, it's the first time that we have evidences,

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<v Speaker 3>at least historical evidences, that there was a civilization during

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01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:21.640
<v Speaker 3>that time. After that, the archaeological work has to take

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01:21:21.680 --> 01:21:28.600
<v Speaker 3>place to certify it was indeed that the civilization, but

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<v Speaker 3>this was that called I've lost. Now, in order to

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01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:56.079
<v Speaker 3>to find if there were people during that time, you

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<v Speaker 3>need a combined work from several sciences. This is one second,

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<v Speaker 3>you need a very organized mission because, as I told

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<v Speaker 3>you before, there is nothing in these areas. Another important

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<v Speaker 3>thing is that there are problems, especially during that time,

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<v Speaker 3>where realized problems with other nations, et cetera. At north

836
01:22:30.399 --> 01:22:36.960
<v Speaker 3>of the result of the aerobic island in my area,

837
01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:44.720
<v Speaker 3>at the borders with another country, it was not easy

838
01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:51.359
<v Speaker 3>to decide to make an expedition there that time. Now.

839
01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:55.039
<v Speaker 3>Of concerningly the Old King that you said, the Old

840
01:22:55.119 --> 01:23:03.520
<v Speaker 3>King officially starts on the ten thousand, busy before the

841
01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:11.079
<v Speaker 3>only we have the Plaisto k period, which starts before

842
01:23:11.079 --> 01:23:16.279
<v Speaker 3>the one hundred thousand BC reaches up to ten thousand BC.

843
01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:27.760
<v Speaker 3>But this change of periods of geological periods our very characteristic,

844
01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:32.760
<v Speaker 3>and we have the story exactly at the borders of

845
01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:40.199
<v Speaker 3>these two climatic changes. M it's exactly on the border

846
01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:47.880
<v Speaker 3>lane on the ten to eleven thousand BC. And then

847
01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:53.760
<v Speaker 3>we have the Olok which was stabilized let's say around

848
01:23:54.000 --> 01:24:01.239
<v Speaker 3>the five six thousand BC up to the today has

849
01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:07.800
<v Speaker 3>small differences. We don't have so many atrocities of the world,

850
01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:16.920
<v Speaker 3>either with class years or huge floods, although have started

851
01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:23.479
<v Speaker 3>some floods the last years because we have an increasement

852
01:24:23.600 --> 01:24:28.800
<v Speaker 3>or the temperature flood And you know, all these are

853
01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:35.920
<v Speaker 3>described by the Egyptian priests when he describes a client

854
01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:41.920
<v Speaker 3>of that era to soldon. If you read carefully what

855
01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:46.359
<v Speaker 3>the priest was saying, of course, in addition with the

856
01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:51.640
<v Speaker 3>correct translation, then you realize that if you have today

857
01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:55.640
<v Speaker 3>this priest next to year, you could have a very

858
01:24:58.159 --> 01:25:05.560
<v Speaker 3>very active discussion to pass the climate of a long

859
01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:14.800
<v Speaker 3>period of the human like another thing, concert they travels

860
01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:21.560
<v Speaker 3>with the ships, the boats, the boats who was a

861
01:25:21.680 --> 01:25:28.119
<v Speaker 3>necessity during that time. You had no roads. You could

862
01:25:28.159 --> 01:25:31.840
<v Speaker 3>not pass very easily from every area that you like

863
01:25:31.920 --> 01:25:34.279
<v Speaker 3>to pass. You might have a river there is no

864
01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:38.079
<v Speaker 3>bridge pass, might be a canyon you don't have a

865
01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:44.079
<v Speaker 3>tunnel to pass, might be habited by other civilizations who

866
01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:49.159
<v Speaker 3>might be aggressive against you. With the boat, things are

867
01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:55.840
<v Speaker 3>very simple. That's why the last years in Greece they

868
01:25:55.880 --> 01:26:00.720
<v Speaker 3>have discovered a lot of critical details with shows that

869
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:06.000
<v Speaker 3>the travels with a boat is the very old case.

870
01:26:07.279 --> 01:26:12.720
<v Speaker 3>In Critle Let's say island, which is what was never

871
01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:19.439
<v Speaker 3>joined in the last million years. With the land, they

872
01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:27.439
<v Speaker 3>found evidences of people one hundred and thirty thousand years ago.

873
01:26:29.279 --> 01:26:35.880
<v Speaker 3>That means they have reached there with boats. And we

874
01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:39.399
<v Speaker 3>are not talking about canoes because in a GM you

875
01:26:39.439 --> 01:26:45.079
<v Speaker 3>cannot travel with a canoe without the danger to lose

876
01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:51.800
<v Speaker 3>your leg. Same also with the story of the obsidian

877
01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:55.840
<v Speaker 3>there is an island in the middle of a GM

878
01:26:56.920 --> 01:27:02.479
<v Speaker 3>named Milblos. They have two different minds for obsidian, you know,

879
01:27:03.239 --> 01:27:14.760
<v Speaker 3>which produce tools or weapons. And these obsidian tools were

880
01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:22.640
<v Speaker 3>very useful to make anything you like to cut, like

881
01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:26.960
<v Speaker 3>to use it as an x, as a saw or

882
01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:36.119
<v Speaker 3>as a knife. And we have educations that from evidences

883
01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:42.079
<v Speaker 3>in caves, because there are many caves in Greece, we

884
01:27:42.159 --> 01:27:45.880
<v Speaker 3>have evidences that they have started to habitant in these

885
01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:51.439
<v Speaker 3>caves and have tools from around twenty five thousand years

886
01:27:51.439 --> 01:28:03.439
<v Speaker 3>ago and the systematically thirteen thousand DearS mm hmm. From

887
01:28:03.479 --> 01:28:08.560
<v Speaker 3>the thirteen thousand BC, the Obsivian was splitted around the

888
01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:15.680
<v Speaker 3>Aegean mainland and the islands. That means the travels by

889
01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:22.680
<v Speaker 3>boat was systematically. What's taking place within the agent pelagus

890
01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:26.279
<v Speaker 3>or a gen c? What are you like?

891
01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic? My guest today has been George Sarantetius is this

892
01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:41.159
<v Speaker 2>last name. He is the author of la Plato's Atlantis Decoding,

893
01:28:41.239 --> 01:28:46.840
<v Speaker 2>the most famous myth, and he is the featured guest

894
01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:50.640
<v Speaker 2>on in that movie the Atlantice Puzzle that we you

895
01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:55.039
<v Speaker 2>can see on YouTube, but you also can see if

896
01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:58.159
<v Speaker 2>you go to the Atlantis Puzzle dot com you can

897
01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:05.760
<v Speaker 2>see the unedited version of the version that doesn't have advertising. So, George,

898
01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:08.479
<v Speaker 2>how can people get more information from you? What's your

899
01:29:08.479 --> 01:29:12.720
<v Speaker 2>web address and what's your social media contacts?

900
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:20.279
<v Speaker 3>The same Plato project one word Plato project that g R.

901
01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:29.039
<v Speaker 3>Greace and my email if somebody would like to conduct

902
01:29:29.039 --> 01:29:35.399
<v Speaker 3>for any reason is Saraan Titis n t I t

903
01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:43.600
<v Speaker 3>I is sis zero one at gmail com. Dot Com Gmail.

904
01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Right as we conclude, George, what would you like to

905
01:29:47.359 --> 01:29:51.079
<v Speaker 2>see happen in the next say, five or ten years.

906
01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:55.439
<v Speaker 2>That kind of proves the fact that Atlantis is where

907
01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:56.279
<v Speaker 2>you say it is.

908
01:29:57.319 --> 01:30:02.079
<v Speaker 3>I think things are not so easy there. It's not

909
01:30:03.079 --> 01:30:05.960
<v Speaker 3>This area is not like to be somewhere in Europe

910
01:30:06.039 --> 01:30:09.279
<v Speaker 3>or in the United States. You are missing a lot

911
01:30:09.279 --> 01:30:14.279
<v Speaker 3>of things, and you have to be careful about many things,

912
01:30:14.359 --> 01:30:21.640
<v Speaker 3>as let's say, to be vaccine from malaria, to be protected,

913
01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:26.920
<v Speaker 3>what you drink, because we have forgot to drink a

914
01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:33.600
<v Speaker 3>little bit contaminated water. We need very clean water. So

915
01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:38.000
<v Speaker 3>there are a lot of things that makes a little

916
01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:43.119
<v Speaker 3>bit difficult the simple missions there. Now, if somebody goes

917
01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:49.479
<v Speaker 3>there from curiosity, I don't think that we'll see a

918
01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:57.439
<v Speaker 3>lot of things because there is no I mean, in

919
01:30:57.479 --> 01:31:02.159
<v Speaker 3>the cycles, you don't have something to do or to

920
01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:06.399
<v Speaker 3>dig to dig where if a wave comes and this

921
01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:13.199
<v Speaker 3>destroys destroyer house over temple, the stones might have gone

922
01:31:13.399 --> 01:31:19.359
<v Speaker 3>kilometers from there or buried somewhere else. We are not

923
01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:26.000
<v Speaker 3>talking about a smaller future. You can realize the circles

924
01:31:26.079 --> 01:31:33.359
<v Speaker 3>only by a plane if it's quite high. So I

925
01:31:33.399 --> 01:31:41.079
<v Speaker 3>don't think Okay, back from curiosity. Somebody can travel but

926
01:31:42.199 --> 01:31:48.439
<v Speaker 3>has nothing to do. Hmm, there's nothing needs a very

927
01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:58.159
<v Speaker 3>organized mission to go and find something. But at least

928
01:31:58.159 --> 01:32:04.079
<v Speaker 3>from my side, I believe that historically the Atlantic issue

929
01:32:04.079 --> 01:32:10.520
<v Speaker 3>has been solved because I know all these things that

930
01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:15.279
<v Speaker 3>we have discussed the last hour. Yeah, now I had

931
01:32:15.319 --> 01:32:21.000
<v Speaker 3>the text that went and find the depiction on the ground.

932
01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:26.800
<v Speaker 3>This was impossible to take place if something was wrong

933
01:32:29.079 --> 01:32:36.119
<v Speaker 3>or wrong or half rog or half true. Let's see.

934
01:32:37.319 --> 01:32:41.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just of the mind, George, that I would

935
01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:46.600
<v Speaker 2>love to see like a sculpture found there in that area,

936
01:32:47.439 --> 01:32:51.680
<v Speaker 2>or somebody is using a satellite and they're looking for

937
01:32:51.800 --> 01:32:55.359
<v Speaker 2>geological formations or whatever, and all of a sudden they

938
01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:58.159
<v Speaker 2>found they find that the roof of a temple.

939
01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:04.920
<v Speaker 5>Those when you when you when we understand that Atlantis was,

940
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:09.720
<v Speaker 5>you know, populated with millions of people, you would think

941
01:33:09.760 --> 01:33:13.199
<v Speaker 5>that there would be some remains, even even under the

942
01:33:13.880 --> 01:33:19.880
<v Speaker 5>uh ruinous wave action of a tsunami. There there should

943
01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:21.680
<v Speaker 5>be something that we can see.

944
01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:28.079
<v Speaker 3>But there is, but I cannot that now.

945
01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm gonna have to have you back, all right,

946
01:33:35.399 --> 01:33:39.279
<v Speaker 2>George Sertis, thank you very much. We look forward to

947
01:33:40.359 --> 01:33:43.239
<v Speaker 2>uh more information coming from you. You don't look like

948
01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:47.439
<v Speaker 2>you're you're settled, like you're gonna not your your adventure

949
01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:49.000
<v Speaker 2>is continuing. I think.

950
01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, as long I can walk. Because let's say I

951
01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:02.039
<v Speaker 3>was ready for an expedition again two years ago and

952
01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:05.159
<v Speaker 3>I had an accident and I could not work for

953
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:09.760
<v Speaker 3>more than a year. Oh my god. Now I'm now

954
01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:15.640
<v Speaker 3>I can work, not perfectly yet I can't. So there

955
01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:17.760
<v Speaker 3>are a lot of things I know. So my age,

956
01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:23.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm not thirty years ago. Yeah. When I started this adventure,

957
01:34:23.199 --> 01:34:27.840
<v Speaker 3>I was fifty. Now I'm seventy one. Wow.

958
01:34:28.199 --> 01:34:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know the feeling. George, thank you very much

959
01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:34.880
<v Speaker 2>for your time, and I really appreciate the work you've done.

960
01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Me.

961
01:34:36.399 --> 01:34:42.560
<v Speaker 3>Thank you. Cliff was nice to talk about it. I

962
01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:46.960
<v Speaker 3>wish you a good success in your stories and in

963
01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:47.560
<v Speaker 3>your work.

964
01:34:52.720 --> 01:34:56.239
<v Speaker 2>I think this interview with George Sarantidis leaves us with

965
01:34:56.319 --> 01:35:04.439
<v Speaker 2>more questions than it answers. And I am thinking, you know,

966
01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:12.479
<v Speaker 2>I acknowledge the powerful force of a tsunami because my

967
01:35:12.600 --> 01:35:19.760
<v Speaker 2>theory is that the Yucatan Peninsula suffer numerous tsunamis. In fact,

968
01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:25.199
<v Speaker 2>there are showing geologically that they've been passing over that

969
01:35:25.279 --> 01:35:29.239
<v Speaker 2>part of Mexico. For hundreds of thousands of years. But

970
01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:34.680
<v Speaker 2>in the face of Tsunamis, we have the remains of buildings.

971
01:35:34.680 --> 01:35:39.439
<v Speaker 2>We have what they call the ruins of my civilization. Now,

972
01:35:39.520 --> 01:35:42.039
<v Speaker 2>when you look at the photographs that are left when

973
01:35:42.039 --> 01:35:47.680
<v Speaker 2>they first start excavating places like Ushmahl, chichen Itza and Mayapan,

974
01:35:48.680 --> 01:35:52.960
<v Speaker 2>what we have is buildings that are devastated. In many cases,

975
01:35:52.960 --> 01:35:57.199
<v Speaker 2>these buildings are covered up and only portions of them

976
01:35:57.239 --> 01:36:02.960
<v Speaker 2>are showing on the surface. But we still have buildings.

977
01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:07.399
<v Speaker 2>And I don't see and I haven't seen any evidence

978
01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:11.439
<v Speaker 2>of buildings in this area that George is telling us

979
01:36:11.560 --> 01:36:17.119
<v Speaker 2>is the remains of Atlantis. Now, if it's true that

980
01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:21.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, this is a civilization from the last epoch,

981
01:36:21.880 --> 01:36:28.560
<v Speaker 2>the Holesaye period, what eleven twelve thousand years ago, then

982
01:36:29.279 --> 01:36:34.319
<v Speaker 2>that's still not enough for the level of devastation that

983
01:36:34.359 --> 01:36:40.760
<v Speaker 2>he's suggesting. And I don't know. I haven't followed the

984
01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:45.560
<v Speaker 2>other researchers that have gone out there to that part

985
01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:51.119
<v Speaker 2>of western Africa and really surveyed the area. I don't

986
01:36:51.119 --> 01:36:54.359
<v Speaker 2>know of anyone who's really used some high tech like scanning,

987
01:36:54.520 --> 01:36:59.479
<v Speaker 2>satellite imagery and things like that to review that area

988
01:36:59.600 --> 01:37:02.920
<v Speaker 2>to see, you know what could possibly be there that

989
01:37:03.239 --> 01:37:09.800
<v Speaker 2>is evidence of buildings. The rings, the geological rings are

990
01:37:10.279 --> 01:37:14.439
<v Speaker 2>a big one for me. I think that's a big

991
01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:19.319
<v Speaker 2>plus in favor of it being Atlantis. But remember twenty

992
01:37:19.319 --> 01:37:24.159
<v Speaker 2>five miles A twenty five miles circumference, that's not very big.

993
01:37:25.359 --> 01:37:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I would think it should be several hundred miles, if

994
01:37:29.039 --> 01:37:35.960
<v Speaker 2>not bigger, the gigantic rings that supported multiple buildings, pyramids

995
01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:41.079
<v Speaker 2>and temples, because the Atlantinians are known as or thought

996
01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:46.000
<v Speaker 2>of as pyramid builders. There's just not enough evidence. And

997
01:37:46.039 --> 01:37:49.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that this area of West Africa is

998
01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:54.840
<v Speaker 2>not the evidence of Atlantis. I just want to see more.

999
01:37:56.039 --> 01:37:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I want to see some artifacts. So I don't know.

1000
01:37:59.359 --> 01:38:04.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what George presents is very compelling. I think

1001
01:38:04.800 --> 01:38:12.760
<v Speaker 2>it's fantastic that he reinterpreted these documents that Plato wrote,

1002
01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:17.560
<v Speaker 2>these dialogues are known as, and transcribed them in Greek

1003
01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:21.600
<v Speaker 2>and really came up with a whole different story. What's

1004
01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:25.239
<v Speaker 2>even more amazing is that during this time, when Plato

1005
01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:29.159
<v Speaker 2>was alive, they were doing these mind games. These these

1006
01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:33.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, these are upper level intellectual pursuits where you

1007
01:38:33.279 --> 01:38:37.600
<v Speaker 2>write a story and then you change the tense, you

1008
01:38:37.720 --> 01:38:42.319
<v Speaker 2>change the character, you add hints and and so you

1009
01:38:42.399 --> 01:38:46.439
<v Speaker 2>read and then you have to translate what's being written.

1010
01:38:47.239 --> 01:38:50.520
<v Speaker 2>It's like, why why was that so important?

1011
01:38:50.600 --> 01:38:50.840
<v Speaker 3>You know?

1012
01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:54.800
<v Speaker 2>And what I if I had had more time, what

1013
01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:58.840
<v Speaker 2>I'd would have also asked George is what are the references?

1014
01:38:58.840 --> 01:39:03.039
<v Speaker 2>What are the other examples of that type of writing?

1015
01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:10.600
<v Speaker 2>So it's just very challenging, very very challenging. But I

1016
01:39:10.600 --> 01:39:14.079
<v Speaker 2>appreciate him coming on the program. And I will be

1017
01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:20.479
<v Speaker 2>posting some photographs on Facebook from his book Plato's Atlantis,

1018
01:39:20.479 --> 01:39:23.039
<v Speaker 2>because some of the photographs are really really cool and

1019
01:39:23.359 --> 01:39:30.119
<v Speaker 2>present a different look at where Atlanta's where Atlanta's was located,

1020
01:39:30.159 --> 01:39:34.680
<v Speaker 2>So be sure to check out that. The documentary, it's

1021
01:39:34.800 --> 01:39:39.119
<v Speaker 2>very well done. If you remember Jack Kelly, I mean

1022
01:39:39.159 --> 01:39:40.680
<v Speaker 2>I think he paid for most of it out of

1023
01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:43.640
<v Speaker 2>his own pocket, but we had him on because we

1024
01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:47.039
<v Speaker 2>wanted to promote. So if you want to see The

1025
01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Atlanti's Puzzle, the documentary, you can go to for free.

1026
01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:55.159
<v Speaker 2>You can go to YouTube and just protect that it'll

1027
01:39:55.159 --> 01:39:59.079
<v Speaker 2>come up. If you want to see commercial free version

1028
01:39:59.760 --> 01:40:06.439
<v Speaker 2>of go to the Atlantispuzzle dot com and I think

1029
01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:09.399
<v Speaker 2>it is available right when you when you click it,

1030
01:40:09.680 --> 01:40:14.079
<v Speaker 2>right when you go into the first homepage. So I

1031
01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:17.319
<v Speaker 2>liked it. It was very well done and it leaves

1032
01:40:17.359 --> 01:40:19.199
<v Speaker 2>us with us a lot with a lot more questions

1033
01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:25.199
<v Speaker 2>about the fabled land of Atlantis. So I hope you

1034
01:40:25.279 --> 01:40:31.920
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1035
01:40:32.159 --> 01:40:36.279
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1036
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1037
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1038
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1039
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1040
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1041
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1042
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<v Speaker 2>credit card or an ATM every month that automatically is deducted.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to even think about it. We have

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of thank you gifts. In fact, uh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>funny because I realized that we actually have a library

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<v Speaker 2>that you can download of best selling authors, some of

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<v Speaker 2>the top ancient civilization authors that we've had on the program,

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<v Speaker 2>research investigators. All yours for as a thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>joining us and becoming a subscriber on Earth Ancients again.

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<v Speaker 2>For more information, go to Patreon that's p A t

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<v Speaker 2>and subscribe. I really appreciate it, all right? Does it

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<v Speaker 2>for this program? I want to think My guest today,

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<v Speaker 2>George garantetis as always the team of Gail tour Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Foster and everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys

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<v Speaker 2>rock all right, take care of you well and we

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<v Speaker 2>will talk to you next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Two building to give me them and