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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity

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<v Speaker 1>slash the big for Society and now let's get on

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<v Speaker 1>with the show. All right, Bigft Society got the privilege

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<v Speaker 1>of talking to an individual today. His name is Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>and I need to provide a little bit of background

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<v Speaker 1>about Scott before we get going. Scott was an individual

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<v Speaker 1>that reached out to me who is a retired US

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<v Speaker 1>Air Force officer. You may hear some background interference on

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<v Speaker 1>this call, which is okay. It started to happen quite frequently.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott has provided his DD two and four form so

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<v Speaker 1>that I can verify who he is, that he says

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<v Speaker 1>he is. It's a privilege to have Scott on the

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<v Speaker 1>show today, and we've got a lot of ground to

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<v Speaker 1>cover about his interactions with Bigfoot over the years in

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<v Speaker 1>different areas. But Scott, welcome to the show today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, say you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>We've already talked for quite a while, but Scott, I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to let you share what I already know.

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<v Speaker 1>But there may be more to it too, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to go ahead and give things over to you.

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<v Speaker 1>But we've already also stated that you are okay if

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<v Speaker 1>I want to interject questions, then you're perfectly okay with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe more of a little interactive interview than some people

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<v Speaker 1>are used to, But Scott, feel free to take us

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<v Speaker 1>back to where we need to be when all this

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<v Speaker 1>started to happen for you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, First, I would like to cover my background

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. I was with a combat unit called

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<v Speaker 2>Combat Control, basically an air force version of the various

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<v Speaker 2>special forces groups like Green Beret Rangers, Navy Seals. And

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<v Speaker 2>the reason I interject this is just so that they

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<v Speaker 2>understand that I know what it's like to have to

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<v Speaker 2>move quietly through the woods. I know what it's like

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<v Speaker 2>to have to observe things around me and to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that we're safe, that we're not running into any enemies,

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<v Speaker 2>positions that we look for tracks, we look for disturbances,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm trained in that about as well as anybody

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<v Speaker 2>else is. I just mentioned that because to show you

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<v Speaker 2>my qualifications for that. First of all, the reason I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to give this story is more for people being

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<v Speaker 2>able to understand a little bit about the nature what

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<v Speaker 2>they're dealing with when they deal with bigfoot. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>claim to be an expert on this or anything else,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have dealt with them quite a bit over

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<v Speaker 2>the years, and in my observations of them and my

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<v Speaker 2>interactions with them, I've reached some interesting conclusions. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say up front, and this may sound

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<v Speaker 2>strange to a lot of people, especially with the stories

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<v Speaker 2>that have heard, that I've never actually seen them. I

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<v Speaker 2>have seen the evidence they leave behind, but I have

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<v Speaker 2>never seen them directly. I have heard them many times,

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<v Speaker 2>and their ability to conceal themselves just absolutely astounds me.

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<v Speaker 2>If our military could hide the way these things do,

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<v Speaker 2>we would be just night and day ahead of any

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<v Speaker 2>opposition that we could face. But these things are on

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<v Speaker 2>a level beyond what human beings are just capable of.

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<v Speaker 2>They can move through the dark quietly, without breaking a twig,

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<v Speaker 2>without disturbing a thing at all. They just simply be

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<v Speaker 2>able to show up next to you, and it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>like their ghosts more than they are biological creatures. I

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<v Speaker 2>having said that, I also want to talk about later

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<v Speaker 2>in this discussion about how it is that these things

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<v Speaker 2>are able to do what they're doing, and I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say it seems to be more on

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<v Speaker 2>the line of supernatural rather than something that is biological.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll get into that a little bit further than

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<v Speaker 2>the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely think it would be important to if we could

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<v Speaker 1>set the stage about I don't know how much into

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<v Speaker 1>detail you can get where this area is, if it's

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<v Speaker 1>a certain base or region, and what time frame of

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<v Speaker 1>what years would be talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, my interactions with them have basically been from around

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety five until present. I had just retired from

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<v Speaker 2>the military when it happened, and it's in basically Central Cascades, Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>and I will not be any more specific than that,

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<v Speaker 2>simply because in this interactions that I've had with them,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want somebody else running to that area and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to interfere with them because I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>chase them off. Essentially, if a bunch of people start

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<v Speaker 2>running out there and there's so few roads in that

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<v Speaker 2>region that if I give too many details, there's enough

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<v Speaker 2>hunters and campers and whatnot that would be able to

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<v Speaker 2>put two and two together and figure out that where

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<v Speaker 2>I was and start running around the area. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sorry if I'm deliberately vague, but that's why I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I think there's no problem with that at all. Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>You're not the first to have to be vague for

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<v Speaker 1>reasons like that, which are totally respected.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, First of all, I have to throw out the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that I really was not a bigfoot believer. There

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<v Speaker 2>were people that I have interacted with that have run

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<v Speaker 2>into them. When I lived in Central Colorado, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a woman that was just freaked out over an episode

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<v Speaker 2>she had at a party out by a river at night,

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<v Speaker 2>and she said the thing actually went across the river

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody ran and jumped into their cars and tried

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<v Speaker 2>to take off, and it literally picked up the back

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<v Speaker 2>of their vehicle as they were trying to leave. The

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<v Speaker 2>campsite and then dropped it and then the tires dug

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<v Speaker 2>into the dirt and scdadle out of there. But she

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<v Speaker 2>was just completely freaked out by this, just almost in tears.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was the only time I actually interacted with

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that claimed to have met them directly. The other

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<v Speaker 2>stories that I heard is I was stationed at Fort

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<v Speaker 2>Bragg for a while, and there's a creature out there

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<v Speaker 2>called the Beast of Brag or sometimes referred to as

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<v Speaker 2>a Manchester monster. Most of the stories that I heard

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<v Speaker 2>were second hand stories from MPs that were out there

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<v Speaker 2>in the area that claimed they knew people that had

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<v Speaker 2>had interactions with these things. But iven, I guess so

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<v Speaker 2>you called me an agnostic about them. I wasn't really

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<v Speaker 2>concerned one way or the other. But that changed in

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five when I had a pastor of mine. He

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<v Speaker 2>took his son out fishing, and they went into this

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<v Speaker 2>area and they set up a camp site, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they broke camp very quickly. He was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>out there for three days, but the first night the

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<v Speaker 2>next day comes over and he calls me up. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>I need you to come out and take a look

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<v Speaker 2>at this. This is just there's something really weird out here,

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<v Speaker 2>and he described that something had come out to his

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<v Speaker 2>campsite in the middle of the night while it was

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<v Speaker 2>raining and had gone through his camps and had actually

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<v Speaker 2>touched the tent and stunked really bad, and he had

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<v Speaker 2>to visit the campsite twice during the night. The next

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<v Speaker 2>day he gets up and looks around and discovers a

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<v Speaker 2>footprint and decided to come and get me because of

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<v Speaker 2>my expertise in this field looking at human tracks moving,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when I got involved. Initially I went out there.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a couple of days before we went out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had I wasn't really sure what I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to find. I figured that by that time the

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<v Speaker 2>track would have been We'd get rained occasionally out here

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington, and it had rained a couple of times,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought that we probably would just see like

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<v Speaker 2>an impression rather than the track. But when we went

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<v Speaker 2>to actually look at it, I was astounded at what

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<v Speaker 2>I saw. I'm used to looking at tracks the line

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<v Speaker 2>work that I was doing, and what I thought was

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting about this track was that, besides its size,

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<v Speaker 2>which was nineteen and a half inches long, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it was at the ball of the foot, it was

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<v Speaker 2>exactly six inches and at the heel was five and

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<v Speaker 2>a quarter inches. But what I thought was very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>about it was that there's a larger pad than the

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<v Speaker 2>human foot normally has in the front where the ball

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<v Speaker 2>of the foot is, and it's about six inches wide,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's about four inches across, and it's just a kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of an oval pad that looks like that's way they

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<v Speaker 3>normally can walk with their toes elevated and their heels

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<v Speaker 3>elevated and just leave a little pad footprint, so you wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Necessarily see the full foot. You would just see this

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<v Speaker 2>pad stepping down, and you could see a little rill

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<v Speaker 2>of sand behind that pad, meaning that's where the weight

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<v Speaker 2>pressure actually was distributed as it was lifting its foot off.

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<v Speaker 2>And I could see that in the sand imprint, which

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<v Speaker 2>was about two and a half inches deep, that the

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<v Speaker 2>toes actually had been angled. They were able to articulate

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<v Speaker 2>their toes at about a forty five degree angle, very

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<v Speaker 2>difficult for a human being to do. And when they

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<v Speaker 2>walk normally, they just keep their toes elevated and their

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<v Speaker 2>heel elevated and just walk on that pad when they're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to conceal their movement. Additionally to this, when I

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<v Speaker 2>really closely examined the track, I could tell that it

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<v Speaker 2>stepped on the pad of the foot by itself and

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<v Speaker 2>never it was just the fact that when it stepped

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<v Speaker 2>into the sand, it had left the entire imprint. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if this was intentional or not. And I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't find any other tracks for one hundred feet around it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really bizarre. I can't even imagine how that's done.

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<v Speaker 2>But I looked everywhere in that vicinity for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the track. It was as if it just deliberately

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<v Speaker 2>made that one track just to leave a marker that

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<v Speaker 2>it was there. And when I say this track was

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting, upon really close examination, I found the epidermal

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<v Speaker 2>ridges in the foot. I could it was so clear.

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<v Speaker 2>I could actually identify if I were to have, say,

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<v Speaker 2>five big foot in front of me, I could actually

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<v Speaker 2>identify which one by the epidermal ridges on the bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>Just absolutely This was so overwhelming to me. Then we

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<v Speaker 2>also tried to establish how much creature weighed based on

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<v Speaker 2>the track imprint. Now, when we stepped in the sand,

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<v Speaker 2>it just made little tiny impressions, and that quickly filled

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<v Speaker 2>in to where it was just like an elongated depression

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<v Speaker 2>with no details. However, I was able to look at

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<v Speaker 2>the jeep track that we came in on in the

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<v Speaker 2>sand and then have something in which to calculate the

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<v Speaker 2>basis of the weight on. All I could say is

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the extreme weight that was, but

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<v Speaker 2>it took at least one thousand pounds of force to

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<v Speaker 2>make that track. Now, when you step on a scale,

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<v Speaker 2>you will see it jump up all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>because it's transferring the kinetic energy from the force of

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<v Speaker 2>your foot coming down in addition to your weight. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily mean that it was one thousand pounds. It

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<v Speaker 2>could have been say eight hundred pounds with twenty with

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred pounds of kinetic energy added to it. So

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<v Speaker 2>that changed my thing thinking about these things entirely. I

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<v Speaker 2>now had something that you might call hard evidence to examine,

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<v Speaker 2>and it clearly wasn't something manufactured by somebody like making

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<v Speaker 2>like with a thousand pounds of force. And somebody that's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously a trained pediatrist could to fake this thing. Would

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<v Speaker 2>it would be just such an elaborate hoax to have

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, real quick? Were you able to try to make

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<v Speaker 2>But we didn't bring any materials with us for that because,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I wasn't even sure it was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be anything left. After we got there, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days had gone by, but when we got to it,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like it had just been made. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what, but I didn't even bother to think

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<v Speaker 2>about to bring anything, and I knew nothing about making

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<v Speaker 2>cast molds anyway, I suppose now and with the Internet

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, you could figure it out pretty quick. But

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five it really didn't quite think of those things

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see any other things in that same area

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<v Speaker 1>that were a little weird, maybe any bent trees or

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<v Speaker 1>anything else that would make you think, oh, there was

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<v Speaker 1>probably a big foot around here beside the track.

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<v Speaker 2>That specific spot was, I guess you'd call it a

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<v Speaker 2>where the during the flood waters had washed a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of sand in next to the side of the stream.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was not really any other branches per se,

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<v Speaker 2>but and there was one other depressional track that was

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<v Speaker 2>about similar, but it was almost two hundred feet away

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<v Speaker 2>from the other one. I don't know if that was

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<v Speaker 2>one of them, and it wasn't anywhere in the detail

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<v Speaker 2>that it filled in with sand, but that was all

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<v Speaker 2>I could find that I just I looked everywhere for

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of clue and broken branches or anything that

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<v Speaker 2>would give me an idea. And we spent the entire

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<v Speaker 2>day going over that area.

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<v Speaker 1>Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 2>So that wasn't like we just did a casual search.

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<v Speaker 2>One other thing I'll mention on that is that one

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<v Speaker 2>other time that I saw what I believed to be

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden I saw these impressions in the dirt.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't that clear, but it was clearly something very

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<v Speaker 2>heavy had stepped there. And I don't know if you've

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<v Speaker 2>ever had any mountain climbing experience, but when you climb

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<v Speaker 2>a very snowy peak, you have to shove your feet

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<v Speaker 2>as hard as you can into the embankment and then

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<v Speaker 2>pressed down, and that kind of creates a little hole

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<v Speaker 2>for you to step into so that you don't slide

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<v Speaker 2>back down the embankment as you're climbing up it, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's exactly the imprint that I saw on the embankment

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<v Speaker 2>on this road. Something had shoved its feet hard into

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<v Speaker 2>the side of the thing, creating a large hole much

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<v Speaker 2>bigger than my foot, and had pressed down into it.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were several steps bigger than I could reach

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<v Speaker 2>up to each foot. But what was mysterious about it

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<v Speaker 2>is that clearly it was going across this way, but

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<v Speaker 2>there was a bunch of pine trees at the top

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<v Speaker 2>of that embankment that were all full of dry branches

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<v Speaker 2>that would have easily broken if anything had moved through them,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was nothing. It's as if it walked to

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<v Speaker 2>the top of the embankment and just disappeared while in

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<v Speaker 2>mid step. I just don't know what to think of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Have any of these This is a loaded question, so

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't answer it, it's no problem. Have any

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<v Speaker 1>of these locations upon your research also had other encounters

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<v Speaker 1>happen in them? I mean other people, other people, Yeah, exactly, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I dad did a search, and back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>Google Earth actually used to have a place you could

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<v Speaker 2>in their field search look for bigfoot encounters. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I put that in there, and it was one about

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<v Speaker 2>five or six miles from the area, but that was

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<v Speaker 2>the only one reported for thirty miles.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha, it would there's a kind of a newer version

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<v Speaker 1>of that now. You might want to check out if

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<v Speaker 1>you go to bigfootmap dot com. It's a bigfoot mapping

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<v Speaker 1>project and it might be interesting for you to take

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<v Speaker 1>a look at those areas to see if there's new

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<v Speaker 1>information in them now. But so, after you had these

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<v Speaker 1>experiences with finding tracks in these areas, did that put

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<v Speaker 1>you on a trail then to try to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on with this bigfoot thing yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yes, because now that I was convinced that there

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<v Speaker 2>was something there, and I thought, okay, my first assumption,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, was that we were dealing with some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of unique monkey ape specie, although I will tell you

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<v Speaker 2>definitively that looking at this track convinced me of something else.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not dealing with apes. If you look at at

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<v Speaker 2>a monkey's track, you clearly see the opposable thumb style

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<v Speaker 2>as like deform hand on the bottom, and all apes

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<v Speaker 2>have that capability that prehensile big dow and this was

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<v Speaker 2>clearly like a human foot. It was much more like

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<v Speaker 2>a human foot than any apes foot print. And this

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<v Speaker 2>it had five toes. They were the same. We had

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<v Speaker 2>a big toe and you had a little toe, and

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<v Speaker 2>the others were intermediate in size. There was nothing except

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<v Speaker 2>for the pad imprint, which if you're tracking people, and

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<v Speaker 2>say certain African or Middle Eastern regions that don't use

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<v Speaker 2>shoes at all, occasionally you will see that similar kind

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<v Speaker 2>of print where people that are just not used to

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<v Speaker 2>wearing shoes and used to walking around out of barefoot

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<v Speaker 2>all of their lives have a similar not exactly the same,

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<v Speaker 2>but somewhat. And so that was some takeaway that I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, whatever we're dealing with is far closer

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<v Speaker 2>to human than anything else. Now, as far as the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of my encounter, that's when we start sarted, camping

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<v Speaker 2>out in the area and looking for this thing. At

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<v Speaker 2>the time, my job was very flexible, so I could

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<v Speaker 2>spend a lot of time out there in the woods,

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<v Speaker 2>and my pastor, except when he was doing his sermon,

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<v Speaker 2>he had free time, so we could go out there

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<v Speaker 2>during the weekdays sometimes and camp out and see what

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<v Speaker 2>was going on. So we did that a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>days and nothing came to the campsite. But about the

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<v Speaker 2>third time we went out there was my next greatest

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<v Speaker 2>revelation about these things. We were sitting there waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>the sun to set, and that about this time we

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<v Speaker 2>were in the valley area, and I have to describe

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit where we were situated on an abandoned

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<v Speaker 2>logging road that had been probably left since the nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was a stream to one side of us,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the mountain starts up at about a forty

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<v Speaker 2>five degree angle. There's just a little wide spot that

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<v Speaker 2>basically we can't to next to the stream, that's probably

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<v Speaker 2>about maybe forty feet across, and we'd put our tents

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<v Speaker 2>up in there. And so we had our tents set up,

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<v Speaker 2>and we had a plastic table that we were sitting at,

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<v Speaker 2>folding table, and we're just sitting there having a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>while waiting for the night to come by. And I

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<v Speaker 2>had been hearing this kind of knocking sound out in

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<v Speaker 2>the woods that I just attributed to being like the

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<v Speaker 2>wind blowing a couple of branches together or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And my pastor looks at me and he said what

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<v Speaker 2>I thought was the most ridiculous statement, He said, do

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<v Speaker 2>you suppose they're out there trying to communicate with us? Now,

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, I still thought that we were dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with some just animal like similar to an EP of

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<v Speaker 2>some time. And I said, ed, that's the strangest thing

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever heard. Are you going to tell me that

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<v Speaker 2>if I knocked on this table three times, it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to answer? And for emphasis, I just went like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden, the knocking stops, pauses

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of seconds, and then I hear three

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<v Speaker 2>knocks come out of the wood, and I'm sure my

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<v Speaker 2>eyes were as wide as my pastors. He was just

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<v Speaker 2>a holy crap. So we then I went and I

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<v Speaker 2>knocked on the table and I did two sets, and

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<v Speaker 2>out of the woods came exactly the same thing, knock,

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<v Speaker 2>And I was astounded. Now this thing was actually listening

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<v Speaker 2>to us and trying to engage us in conversation. What

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<v Speaker 2>happened over the next hour or so was us trying

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<v Speaker 2>to communicate with this thing and it responding back. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>it was just simply mimicking what we were doing, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it tried to take us in a different direction.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not trained in linguistics, in any capacity and

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<v Speaker 2>could not figure out what it was trying to teach us.

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<v Speaker 2>When you can't physically say hold up something like say

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<v Speaker 2>an apple and say apple and then the other person

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<v Speaker 2>understand what you're referring to, it's very difficult to create

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<v Speaker 2>a conversational mode like that. But whatever it was very

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<v Speaker 2>patiently messing with us in the sense of trying to

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<v Speaker 2>create this interaction of some kind. Now eventually it lost interest.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was something else that went on during this

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<v Speaker 2>period of time. While it was engaging, I had my

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<v Speaker 2>pastor knocking and whatnot, and I was trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out where this thing was in the woods. It was

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<v Speaker 2>up there on the mountain above us somewhere, but I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know how far away. So what I thought about

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<v Speaker 2>doing was walking down the trail and kind of creating

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<v Speaker 2>equilateral triangle and triangulate how far this distance was that

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<v Speaker 2>this thing was communicating from us. And so I walked

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<v Speaker 2>down the road listening to this knocking that my pastor

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<v Speaker 2>was interacting it with. And as I walked down the trail,

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<v Speaker 2>I figured out that it was about one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty feet from us, fifty yards up on this mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>And while I'm there. Another rather bizarre thing happens. As

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking up on the mountain, I see some branches moving,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, I hear an interaction between

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<v Speaker 2>it and another bigfoot. They're literally trying to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>each other. And to my best guess of what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on is one of them had heard all the

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<v Speaker 2>ruckus going on and came over to find out what

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<v Speaker 2>was going on, and the other guy says, hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking to these humans. Leave me alone. Because the other

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<v Speaker 2>guy then walked off and left him alone. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>just the grunting that they make. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot an earlier story to this one of my

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry I have to get a little out of

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<v Speaker 2>sequence in this. But when we first had this interaction,

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<v Speaker 2>my first thought was that somebody was messing with us.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had a forty four magnumum in my hips,

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<v Speaker 2>so I felt like I was pretty well armed to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with whatever I had to deal with. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I told my pastor, I said, I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 2>up there in the woods and figure out who's messing

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<v Speaker 2>with us. And I walked up there, and as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as my foot went into the woods, the brush area

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<v Speaker 2>going up there. All of a sudden, I hear this

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<v Speaker 2>oh sound that just throws me to death. I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>that tigers they roar a people or other animals cause

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<v Speaker 2>them to just freeze. It just overwhelms their central nervous

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<v Speaker 2>system to the point that they can't move. They're paralyzed.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what this was like. I took that step

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<v Speaker 2>and almost mid step, I was like frozen, and I said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not dealing with this so now. Then then we

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<v Speaker 2>went back to doing the knocking sounds and everything, and

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<v Speaker 2>then that's when I started my walkdown the trail to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out how far away it was the same kind

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<v Speaker 2>of grunts. And by the way, to describe this grunting,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have to say, for the sake of your

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<v Speaker 2>audience and their experiences, the closest thing I could describe

423
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:46.240
<v Speaker 2>it to is Chewbacca when he's doing that ah sound.

424
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:50.279
<v Speaker 2>It's like that, except it's shorter. It's only like about

425
00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 2>the first second or so as what you hear. It's

426
00:26:54.400 --> 00:27:00.519
<v Speaker 2>not elongated that Chewbacca's style. But anyway showed me that

427
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.960
<v Speaker 2>there was at least more than one, and that they

428
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.519
<v Speaker 2>were up there watching us and trying to communicate with us,

429
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:13.839
<v Speaker 2>and later on we didn't try to engage them any

430
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:18.759
<v Speaker 2>further after that, except to say that later on that night,

431
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:23.119
<v Speaker 2>we were sleeping and I wake up and I'm just

432
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 2>laying there quietly, listening to the area to see if

433
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.079
<v Speaker 2>there's anything moving around us or anything like that. But

434
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.400
<v Speaker 2>my pastor was sitting there next to me, snoring away.

435
00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:37.440
<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden, he rolls over and he stops snoring,

436
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.039
<v Speaker 2>and it grows quiet for a little bit, and then

437
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:43.720
<v Speaker 2>here it is. It's two in the morning, and I

438
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:51.119
<v Speaker 2>hear this. And this thing had been sitting out there

439
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:54.359
<v Speaker 2>in the woods waiting for us to wake up so

440
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 2>it could start the conversation again. It was interested to

441
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:02.400
<v Speaker 2>communicate with us, trying to teach us. So I wake

442
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.000
<v Speaker 2>up and the only thing that I had next to

443
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:09.039
<v Speaker 2>me to tap on was my pastor brought his rifle

444
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:11.799
<v Speaker 2>and had it in a case, and had the rifle

445
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.359
<v Speaker 2>case sitting there, and I reached over and I started

446
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.599
<v Speaker 2>tapping on that, and we went on for another hour

447
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:22.759
<v Speaker 2>after that, tappen away. We didn't accomplish anything, but it

448
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:27.960
<v Speaker 2>did show that this thing was anxious to communicate with us,

449
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:31.039
<v Speaker 2>and that implies a degree of sension.

450
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:35.720
<v Speaker 1>I definitely agree that, yes, it does say it makes

451
00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:40.519
<v Speaker 1>you think that there's some level of intelligence entirely. How

452
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.880
<v Speaker 1>far away would you say it was when it started

453
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>tapping at around the early morning hours.

454
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>It seemed to be about in the same spot. And

455
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to make a point about that spot that

456
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 2>it was in and why it was in that spot

457
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:57.559
<v Speaker 2>here in a little bit. But yeah, I would say

458
00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:59.200
<v Speaker 2>it's about fifty yards away from us.

459
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Gotcha, I would have to get The other thing I

460
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:04.799
<v Speaker 1>want to ask, is so you mentioned that you would

461
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>hear these short Chewbacca grunts. Were there any other type

462
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:11.160
<v Speaker 1>sounds that you would hear them making as well?

463
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Later on I'll get into that how their very diverse

464
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:20.039
<v Speaker 2>vocal range is just amazing to me. But at that time,

465
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:22.839
<v Speaker 2>that was all I did, was expressing those kind of

466
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:27.799
<v Speaker 2>those grunts if and that's not even quite an accurate description,

467
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:32.640
<v Speaker 2>but I would call very short term growls, I guess

468
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:36.000
<v Speaker 2>would be a better way of describing. I love maps,

469
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 2>and so I went back, and this is before Google Earth.

470
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I went back and pulled out maps of that particular region,

471
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and I looked at the oldest maps I could find,

472
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:53.319
<v Speaker 2>and then went through more modern maps and what not

473
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:56.440
<v Speaker 2>to see what kind of features are out there. Well,

474
00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:01.200
<v Speaker 2>what I discovered was an old logging bro that was

475
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:05.839
<v Speaker 2>made near as I can tell, about the nineteen twenties

476
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.359
<v Speaker 2>or so, that had been completely abandoned and was not

477
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:10.559
<v Speaker 2>on modern maps.

478
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Big for society will be right back after these messages.

479
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:36.000
<v Speaker 2>So I said, oh, that's just about the area where

480
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:39.480
<v Speaker 2>we heard the knocking from. So I go out there

481
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:46.519
<v Speaker 2>by myself, and I didn't bring a fire on, which

482
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.839
<v Speaker 2>was the only time I've ever been in the mountains,

483
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:50.720
<v Speaker 2>but didn't. But I just went out there and I thought,

484
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>it's a nice day, I'll just go out there and

485
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll take a look and just verify whether this road

486
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>is still there or not. So I went out, walked

487
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 2>into the woods and found the road and it's not

488
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.839
<v Speaker 2>visible where the main road that connects into there. You

489
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:12.599
<v Speaker 2>can't find any sign of that anymore. It's completely gone.

490
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>But once you walk further into the woods you can

491
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 2>start to see where this trail starts to come up.

492
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 2>It's all overgrown, there's trees in it. You could be

493
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:25.519
<v Speaker 2>standing in that road with an airplane flying over and

494
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:28.160
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't see anything because it's completely tree covered now

495
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>with all the trees going through it, but it was

496
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.359
<v Speaker 2>very clear that it was a game trail of some kind.

497
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:40.279
<v Speaker 2>The elk, the whatever else, deer, and possibly the bigfoot

498
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.279
<v Speaker 2>were running up and down this thing. And so I

499
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:47.799
<v Speaker 2>started walking along this trail and walking up with the

500
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.000
<v Speaker 2>map that I had trying to piece together where I

501
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>was in connection with where my campsite had been, so

502
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 2>that I could get an idea this was where this

503
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:02.039
<v Speaker 2>thing had been coming from. Sure Enough, I believe I

504
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:04.759
<v Speaker 2>went to the exact spot where this thing had been

505
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:08.920
<v Speaker 2>sitting in there because I could look over from that

506
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>vantage point and see right down to the campsite. And

507
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>so I said, this thing is walking quietly up and

508
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:21.119
<v Speaker 2>down this trail and is able to see everything that's

509
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>going on in the area. And what I believe we

510
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:33.480
<v Speaker 2>were encountering was that when these bigfoot move as a group,

511
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:40.599
<v Speaker 2>I think they post at strategic locations to watch out

512
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>and warn anybody coming out there that there's if they

513
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.599
<v Speaker 2>see some activity of humans coming in so that they

514
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.599
<v Speaker 2>can pass along. Hey, I think we might have some

515
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:55.400
<v Speaker 2>hunters or something like that, or hikers, and I believe

516
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>they just were sitting out there using this as an

517
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:03.240
<v Speaker 2>observation point, like the military does. I think everything they

518
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.759
<v Speaker 2>do is very tactical. They just set things up the

519
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.680
<v Speaker 2>way that we would do if we were trying to

520
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:12.960
<v Speaker 2>move our families in a more or less tactical environment

521
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:18.200
<v Speaker 2>to avoid running into dangers. And so I think that

522
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.480
<v Speaker 2>spot where we just happened to park our tent was

523
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:27.640
<v Speaker 2>an outpost for them, and so as I. By the way,

524
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.319
<v Speaker 2>I had a bizarre story with this because I walk

525
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:35.359
<v Speaker 2>up the trail further and I was looking at the map,

526
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.440
<v Speaker 2>and I said, there's a switchback from the old logging

527
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:41.640
<v Speaker 2>trucks that went up here, and I thought I would

528
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>just walk up to that just to make sure that

529
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:48.279
<v Speaker 2>it was still usable. And as I'm walking up to

530
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:52.920
<v Speaker 2>this site, something big. I'm just about to get to

531
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 2>the switchback area and something huge runs off into the bushes,

532
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.799
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, okay, it could just be an elk,

533
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:05.160
<v Speaker 2>because we have plenty of those in the area. There's

534
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:07.400
<v Speaker 2>no shortage of elk at all. I run into them

535
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:11.119
<v Speaker 2>all the time out there. As I walked up to there,

536
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 2>when you get up to a switchback, there's a place

537
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.840
<v Speaker 2>where the logging truck needs a wide area to make

538
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:20.119
<v Speaker 2>its turn. And that's all leveled out. And sure enough

539
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:24.519
<v Speaker 2>that was still there and pretty well cleared out, although bushy,

540
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:28.840
<v Speaker 2>but not no big trees or anything. And as I

541
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.559
<v Speaker 2>walk up to that area after hearing this thing run

542
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.639
<v Speaker 2>off into the brush, I didn't stand there, and I said,

543
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.360
<v Speaker 2>looking off into the brush aery, wondering what it was

544
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.039
<v Speaker 2>that I had just missed. And all of a sudden,

545
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.519
<v Speaker 2>I hear something coming back through the brush and I

546
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 2>can hear it smelling me that snorting sound of something

547
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:54.119
<v Speaker 2>drawing in through its nostrils. And I thought, okay, that's

548
00:34:54.239 --> 00:35:01.159
<v Speaker 2>not an elk. They don't do that. And I thought, okay,

549
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 2>I've run into a bear. I stood there, and this

550
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.679
<v Speaker 2>is how I was trained to deal with bears. Everybody

551
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:09.440
<v Speaker 2>has their own thing, but when I was a kid

552
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>growing up in Wyoming in Colorado, this is what those

553
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.239
<v Speaker 2>people told me to do when I run into a bear,

554
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:21.599
<v Speaker 2>and they say, face whatever it is where this bear is.

555
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Don't look at them directly, because that's a challenge. You

556
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.039
<v Speaker 2>look to one side or the other, and that tells

557
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:32.920
<v Speaker 2>them that you're aware of their presence. But whatever, you

558
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:37.320
<v Speaker 2>don't look nervous, don't do anything showing excitement, just stand

559
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:42.199
<v Speaker 2>there casually, like you're relaxed, and because these animals read

560
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:47.440
<v Speaker 2>body language just like we do, and when it sits

561
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:49.960
<v Speaker 2>there and is evaluating whether you're a meal or not,

562
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 2>it's going to say, Okay, he knows I'm here, he's

563
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.719
<v Speaker 2>not running away, and he doesn't seem to be concerned.

564
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Therefore he must have something with him that equalizes the situation,

565
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:05.880
<v Speaker 2>and that I might get hurt if I try to

566
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 2>make a meal out of it. And I stood there

567
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:12.559
<v Speaker 2>patiently waiting. Also, the other thing they taught me was

568
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.280
<v Speaker 2>look for your exit route, and if you're dealing with bears,

569
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 2>the run between trees that are too wide for it

570
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:22.679
<v Speaker 2>to or too close together for it to come through,

571
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:26.119
<v Speaker 2>because they can't make turns that easily. And so I

572
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:28.519
<v Speaker 2>took a glance down the road looking and counted, okay,

573
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.800
<v Speaker 2>three trees that were groups of trees where it was

574
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:35.079
<v Speaker 2>close enough for me to get through quickly without him

575
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.159
<v Speaker 2>being able to get through. So I had my accent

576
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:42.440
<v Speaker 2>route planned and so I just stood there, and eventually it,

577
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.679
<v Speaker 2>I guess, decided that wasn't worth its time, and it

578
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.119
<v Speaker 2>moved on. I started looking around to see why it

579
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.800
<v Speaker 2>was standing there in the first place, and there right

580
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.440
<v Speaker 2>at the edge of the switch was a tree where

581
00:36:56.079 --> 00:37:01.159
<v Speaker 2>clearly it was a bear because the scratch marks were

582
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.559
<v Speaker 2>huge on it. They were I as I'm six foot

583
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.679
<v Speaker 2>one and as I stand, I can reach about eight

584
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:11.000
<v Speaker 2>foot even on if I was trying to reach, say

585
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:14.519
<v Speaker 2>an eight foot ceiling. And I went up to the

586
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.519
<v Speaker 2>track and I stood flat footed, and I raised my

587
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:20.280
<v Speaker 2>hand up as far high as I could go, and

588
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.719
<v Speaker 2>I was still about four and a half inches from

589
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:27.400
<v Speaker 2>the top of the tallest scratch marks. So I was

590
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:31.920
<v Speaker 2>dealing with something pretty big, whatever it was. So I said, Okay,

591
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:35.079
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm lucky. I'm never going to go unarmed again.

592
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, I went and bought the

593
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.440
<v Speaker 2>largest handgun I could find at the time, which was

594
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.920
<v Speaker 2>a four to fifty four Kissol, and I've carried that

595
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.440
<v Speaker 2>with me ever since. But that was my story of

596
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:51.159
<v Speaker 2>that particular area where it made it its outpost. And

597
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.559
<v Speaker 2>I think they use that because as I'm walking up

598
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.599
<v Speaker 2>and down it, I could see that they were able.

599
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:58.440
<v Speaker 2>They would be able to walk up and down this

600
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:03.239
<v Speaker 2>and monitor that in entire area without being seen at all,

601
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.440
<v Speaker 2>and they would know if you just sat there quietly

602
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:10.079
<v Speaker 2>and watched, you could see any kind of human activity

603
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:13.599
<v Speaker 2>moving around you without you having to interact with them

604
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.840
<v Speaker 2>at all. And I think that's exactly what they do

605
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:21.400
<v Speaker 2>when they set their hunting territory out. They put these

606
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:25.639
<v Speaker 2>outposts out there and they look at things strategically, and

607
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.760
<v Speaker 2>then they when they move, they can move their families

608
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:34.079
<v Speaker 2>without fear of being intercepted by human beings. That's why

609
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:35.679
<v Speaker 2>we don't run into them very much.

610
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I definitely think you're right. The Olympic Project in

611
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:46.760
<v Speaker 1>the western side of Washington, they found similar areas where

612
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:51.440
<v Speaker 1>they've found the nests. They've found almost outpost or areas

613
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.960
<v Speaker 1>up on the ridge where one of them could be

614
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>watching everything that's going on and watching for intreaders that

615
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.880
<v Speaker 1>are coming in. So I think you're you're definitely on

616
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:06.559
<v Speaker 1>the right track with that. They have a question for

617
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.519
<v Speaker 1>you real quick, when you would go to this area

618
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.320
<v Speaker 1>or these areas, when you went back home, would you

619
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:17.400
<v Speaker 1>ever have any weird out of the ordinary things happen

620
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:21.639
<v Speaker 1>at home that may have been related to you going

621
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:22.239
<v Speaker 1>out there.

622
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:28.159
<v Speaker 2>No, I strangely enough, yeah, because I've heard of that phenomenon,

623
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.599
<v Speaker 2>but nothing like that. I'm in I live where my

624
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.559
<v Speaker 2>house is I'm out in the woods. I am. I

625
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.719
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you know what warehouser is, but it's

626
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.800
<v Speaker 2>a There are the people at cut trees and do

627
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:44.440
<v Speaker 2>the limp logging industry. I got three hundred miles of

628
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 2>wilderness right next to me that belongs to them and

629
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.880
<v Speaker 2>the Forest Service. I got more to worry about with

630
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:54.840
<v Speaker 2>cougars and the black bear than I have with the

631
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:58.320
<v Speaker 2>two legged predators that I might runt it to. But nothing.

632
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.960
<v Speaker 2>I haven't had anything all and I find that amazing, actually,

633
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:06.880
<v Speaker 2>But no. I will say I had another encounter in

634
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:11.360
<v Speaker 2>a completely different area where my wife and I were

635
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:13.320
<v Speaker 2>going to go out, and I'll be happy to tell

636
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>you this location. If anybody wants to verify my story,

637
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:19.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm more than happy to hear that. There's a town

638
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:25.360
<v Speaker 2>called Oakville. It's on Highway twelve. And my wife and

639
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I love camping, and she wanted to go out to

640
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:33.760
<v Speaker 2>the West Coast area, but wanted to do a back

641
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:35.960
<v Speaker 2>road kind of way of doing it too. We'll see

642
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.400
<v Speaker 2>if we could camp out and then end up heading

643
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:41.719
<v Speaker 2>out to the coast. So I look at one of

644
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the old maps in the area and I saw where

645
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:48.280
<v Speaker 2>there was some warehouse or property, and that it had

646
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:51.800
<v Speaker 2>access to a couple of streams, and so we could

647
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.920
<v Speaker 2>go out there and find us a camping spot. And

648
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:58.920
<v Speaker 2>there's a little town called it's not even a town really,

649
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.480
<v Speaker 2>it's called Brooklyn. It'll show up on the map, but

650
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.800
<v Speaker 2>there's really nothing there. It's like maybe a postal center

651
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:08.719
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. And that was our destination that

652
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:12.400
<v Speaker 2>we're going to go to the next morning. But we

653
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.239
<v Speaker 2>went in. We found an old logging road and we

654
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.679
<v Speaker 2>followed on it and I went to one of the

655
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:22.559
<v Speaker 2>places where it came down into the screen, and we

656
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 2>set up a campsite for the night. And the next morning,

657
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:34.159
<v Speaker 2>just as it's turning light, I'm awoken to the sound

658
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.239
<v Speaker 2>of breaking branches right next to me. Now there was

659
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.880
<v Speaker 2>an old dead tree with just branches that were just

660
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:47.239
<v Speaker 2>as brittle as that just snapped with no pressure whatsoever.

661
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.480
<v Speaker 2>And apparently something big had hit this thing and crashed

662
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:56.719
<v Speaker 2>through it. So I assumed there was an elk that

663
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.599
<v Speaker 2>maybe had walked down and was startled by our campsite

664
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.280
<v Speaker 2>all of us, and then decided to run away or something.

665
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:05.119
<v Speaker 2>But I grabbed the gun and I get up and

666
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I start walking around and as I'm standing there looking

667
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:13.719
<v Speaker 2>at this tree. All of a sudden, I hear a snap,

668
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.320
<v Speaker 2>like a dry branch, and I look up in the

669
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:20.440
<v Speaker 2>direction where it was coming from, and there was a

670
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>hill right next to us. It's about maybe twenty five

671
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:27.840
<v Speaker 2>feet high, but I couldn't I could see the trees

672
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.039
<v Speaker 2>on the top of the tops of these trees, but

673
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't see the base of them from my vantage point.

674
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.079
<v Speaker 2>And so I look up and I said, I wonder

675
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 2>what that was. And then all of a sudden, I

676
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 2>hear another snap. And then I hear about a minute

677
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.440
<v Speaker 2>later another snap. So I said, I'm going to go

678
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.519
<v Speaker 2>check this out. That seems strange. So I started walking

679
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.920
<v Speaker 2>up a game trail up the side very quietly, and

680
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:58.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm just about to get into view of the bottom

681
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.079
<v Speaker 2>part of this tree where this snap is coming from.

682
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:06.199
<v Speaker 2>And my wife just happened to cough at that moment,

683
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.719
<v Speaker 2>and she was still in the tent, and I asked,

684
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:12.519
<v Speaker 2>I heard her coughing, and I stopped for a second,

685
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:16.559
<v Speaker 2>and I wait, and then but the snapping didn't continue,

686
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:21.960
<v Speaker 2>and so I cautiously continued walking up the hill and

687
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:26.440
<v Speaker 2>there was nothing there, but there were these branches, some

688
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:28.719
<v Speaker 2>of them as high as nine feet that had been

689
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.079
<v Speaker 2>snapped off and were just laying there on the ground.

690
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Whatever it was had been just standing there lifting and

691
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 2>grabbing these branches and snapping them off periodically, I assumed,

692
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:45.280
<v Speaker 2>just to get my attention. And there was no sign

693
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.119
<v Speaker 2>of anything around that I could find these broken branches

694
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:53.519
<v Speaker 2>laying on the ground. And upon examining these branches, they

695
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:56.840
<v Speaker 2>were snapped off at the base. Something had grabbed near

696
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.920
<v Speaker 2>the edge of the tree and broke the branches off.

697
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:04.840
<v Speaker 2>And I said, that's like a very human kind of thing,

698
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.519
<v Speaker 2>a very something. That's something very big, because I couldn't

699
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:11.400
<v Speaker 2>begin to reach some of these branches that had been

700
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:12.119
<v Speaker 2>snapped off.

701
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.679
<v Speaker 1>Big for society, who would be right back after these messages?

702
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.840
<v Speaker 2>And so I turned around and I went back and

703
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.400
<v Speaker 2>got my wife, and I said, man, there's something out here.

704
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:40.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's going on. All of a sudden,

705
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:43.639
<v Speaker 2>I start hearing this knocking sound out of the woods,

706
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.880
<v Speaker 2>and I would hear it like over in one direction,

707
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:52.079
<v Speaker 2>and then maybe thirty seconds later, I would hear a

708
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.400
<v Speaker 2>knock over in the opposite direction, and then another one

709
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:59.280
<v Speaker 2>later on. And this started to concern me a little bit.

710
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.679
<v Speaker 2>Whatever they were doing was really let me know that

711
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:06.320
<v Speaker 2>we're all around you and we're watching you. And so

712
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.639
<v Speaker 2>I said, Okay, I think we need to pack up

713
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:10.159
<v Speaker 2>and get out of here because I don't know what

714
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:13.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm dealing with here. So we got everything in the

715
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:16.559
<v Speaker 2>back in the truck and we took off. I would

716
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:19.840
<v Speaker 2>be curious, you know, if anybody had any experiences in

717
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:20.880
<v Speaker 2>that spot.

718
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.599
<v Speaker 1>Yes, looking at a map, it's really interesting because just

719
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.119
<v Speaker 1>the town of Oakville is right next to the Shehalis

720
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Reservation by the Shalis River, which is a lot of

721
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:37.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff happens in there, as most listeners will know. And

722
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.760
<v Speaker 1>then that Brooklyn area, there's not a lot out there. Definitely,

723
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>there's just a random Bible camp out there. But other

724
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:47.559
<v Speaker 1>than that, yeah, it is, it's just nothing out there

725
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:48.920
<v Speaker 1>for the most part.

726
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I feel free to look out there and see

727
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:59.280
<v Speaker 2>anything because there's something and these guys, it made me

728
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:03.639
<v Speaker 2>wonder if maybe in some kind of communicational sense, they

729
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:07.000
<v Speaker 2>knew who I was. I don't think it's the same tribe,

730
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.960
<v Speaker 2>because I do think their tribe affiliate just like we are.

731
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:14.440
<v Speaker 2>I think they have different groups, but they and you

732
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:18.119
<v Speaker 2>don't know how one tribe will treat you versus another,

733
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:21.239
<v Speaker 2>just like in the old days of the West. Could

734
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.239
<v Speaker 2>you may find friendly Indians one place, that doesn't guarantee

735
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:27.960
<v Speaker 2>the next group is going to be that way. And

736
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:31.159
<v Speaker 2>so I think that I approach other groups with a

737
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:35.159
<v Speaker 2>great deal of caution. This particular group that I deal with,

738
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.719
<v Speaker 2>this tribe as it were, has its own clique, in

739
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.800
<v Speaker 2>its own way of doing things, and it seems to

740
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:45.039
<v Speaker 2>be more of the Harry and the Henderson's kind of

741
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:49.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of creatures than some of the other encounters that

742
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:53.679
<v Speaker 2>you might have. But I have true respect for these things.

743
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:56.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't think of them as friendly as per se.

744
00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:59.679
<v Speaker 2>I think you could get hurt very easily if he's

745
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 2>over step your boundaries.

746
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:06.519
<v Speaker 1>I agree there needs to definitely be a respect when

747
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:11.400
<v Speaker 1>you're if not only for Bigfoot, but also for the wilderness.

748
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:14.519
<v Speaker 1>You go out there, especially in the Pacific Northwest, and

749
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:19.400
<v Speaker 1>you don't get many chances be respectful. There are predators

750
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:23.119
<v Speaker 1>out there besides Bigfoot. Not saying it's a predator, but

751
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.679
<v Speaker 1>I do have a few questions I would like to

752
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:30.320
<v Speaker 1>ask you. If you can't answer these, feel free to decline,

753
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.679
<v Speaker 1>but I just want to ask them and see if

754
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:36.760
<v Speaker 1>they hit on anything. So, having your military background and

755
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.840
<v Speaker 1>back in the nineties and before, did you ever hear

756
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:47.519
<v Speaker 1>any stories about military bigfoot encounters in the Fort Lewis

757
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:48.639
<v Speaker 1>area of Washington.

758
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Very vague ones, nothing like I've heard a couple of

759
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:57.360
<v Speaker 2>soldiers talking about hearing something walking around in the woods,

760
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:01.280
<v Speaker 2>but nobody ever said, Hey, I saw bigfoot. I was

761
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.800
<v Speaker 2>actually very surprised at that, you would think. And I've

762
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:08.199
<v Speaker 2>camped a lot in the Fort Lewis areas myself in

763
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:11.440
<v Speaker 2>the military sense. We used to do the map and

764
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:14.679
<v Speaker 2>compass orienteering through all the swamps and all that stuff,

765
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and I thought I would have run into something, which

766
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:19.840
<v Speaker 2>is part of the reason I didn't believe in them,

767
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.840
<v Speaker 2>because I said, if anybody would have seen one, I

768
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:26.039
<v Speaker 2>would have. Because I'm in the areas where nobody else goes.

769
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.840
<v Speaker 2>We would always pick the very hardest spots you could

770
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:35.199
<v Speaker 2>find to navigate through, just for training purposes, and I thought,

771
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.639
<v Speaker 2>for sure, if there was something really out there, I

772
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:38.719
<v Speaker 2>would have run into it.

773
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:44.880
<v Speaker 1>But nothing interesting. Have you heard of any accounts where

774
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the military in the Pacific Northwest has killed a bigfoot,

775
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.360
<v Speaker 1>either first hand or second hand.

776
00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.719
<v Speaker 2>I've only heard these stories about the Mount saying how insane.

777
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.320
<v Speaker 2>But that's not true. That's just through the media. I've

778
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 2>never encountered anybody that had that had any kind of

779
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:11.239
<v Speaker 2>military related encounters with them.

780
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.920
<v Speaker 1>You bring up the Mount Saint Helen's topic there, and

781
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:19.000
<v Speaker 1>which I think is interesting because a lot of people

782
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:22.079
<v Speaker 1>will I constantly get emails about this every week where

783
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, I heard this, and I love when

784
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:27.440
<v Speaker 1>people send me that stuff, but it is a thing

785
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:31.000
<v Speaker 1>where I must I don't think that's ever been proven

786
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:34.679
<v Speaker 1>where the military took bigfoot out of the Mount Saint

787
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Helen's blast zone. Is that anything You've ever looked into

788
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:39.280
<v Speaker 1>yourself or.

789
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:43.440
<v Speaker 2>I've looked into it, and I think it's entirely possible

790
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:46.480
<v Speaker 2>something was killed out there, because I have no doubt

791
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:49.159
<v Speaker 2>that there was bigfoot in the urine. If they're anywhere,

792
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:53.280
<v Speaker 2>they're out there. That's remember that first encounter with the

793
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:55.480
<v Speaker 2>miners or whatever they were that were in the they

794
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.840
<v Speaker 2>were in the cabin that got attacked. That's not that

795
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.840
<v Speaker 2>far from where where my on hell and.

796
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Six Ape Canyon of nineteen twenty four, I believe, yeah, yep, exactly.

797
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:07.639
<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, I've been to eight k

798
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've ever heard of that, Oh, okay,

799
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:16.320
<v Speaker 2>cool and it's but they got its name supposedly because

800
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:21.599
<v Speaker 2>that's where they believe they were staying. But I can't say,

801
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:25.199
<v Speaker 2>for any of my experiences I know anything about that spot. Interesting,

802
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:30.000
<v Speaker 2>but I've looked into some of these legends just trying

803
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:35.519
<v Speaker 2>to establish a pattern. I think these things are semi nomadic.

804
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:41.079
<v Speaker 2>I think that they move in a given region, but

805
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:44.639
<v Speaker 2>they don't want to overwhelm their food source, whatever that is.

806
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:50.360
<v Speaker 2>And so like in our previous conversation I discussed with

807
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:53.559
<v Speaker 2>how you could go to a park ranger and they

808
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:55.840
<v Speaker 2>could tell you where the grizzlies are because of the

809
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:58.679
<v Speaker 2>impact that they have on the ground. They tear things

810
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:01.320
<v Speaker 2>apart when they go through it. I think these things

811
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:05.599
<v Speaker 2>that they eat, it's very sustainable. They make sure that

812
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.039
<v Speaker 2>the game is not completely taken out of the area

813
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:11.880
<v Speaker 2>before they leave. They just take what they need and

814
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:15.519
<v Speaker 2>then they move to the next section and they have example,

815
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:18.760
<v Speaker 2>I think one of the reasons they have the particular

816
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:22.079
<v Speaker 2>movement pattern that they do has to do with blackberries

817
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:26.360
<v Speaker 2>not excuse me, huckleberries that we have out in this region,

818
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.360
<v Speaker 2>and they probably are using that as a food source.

819
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.559
<v Speaker 2>And therefore they plan their territorial movements around that. You know,

820
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.880
<v Speaker 2>But that's just a guess because I have no clue. Oh,

821
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.719
<v Speaker 2>I do have an interesting story about something that gives

822
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:47.559
<v Speaker 2>me something about how they interact with us. And there

823
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:50.039
<v Speaker 2>is a river, and I don't want to say its

824
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.920
<v Speaker 2>name because I would get a bunch of people running

825
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:58.000
<v Speaker 2>over to that area looking. But there's a river about

826
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 2>four or five miles from the area, and we decided,

827
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:06.840
<v Speaker 2>my pastor and I decided to just look along this

828
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.360
<v Speaker 2>river and see if there was any sign of them

829
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:14.760
<v Speaker 2>out there. And it looked like a great spot because

830
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:17.519
<v Speaker 2>there was some muddy areas in there, and if they'd

831
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:20.760
<v Speaker 2>been walking along the river, they might have left tracks

832
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:24.639
<v Speaker 2>parked the car, and we started walking down this embankment,

833
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.079
<v Speaker 2>and we noticed that there was about one hundred yards

834
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:32.559
<v Speaker 2>further up the river was a campsite that somebody had

835
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:35.599
<v Speaker 2>a fairly large group of tents people that had just

836
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:39.679
<v Speaker 2>pulled out and set up their campsites, with kids and

837
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:44.960
<v Speaker 2>whatnot running around, And so we were walking away from

838
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.800
<v Speaker 2>them downstream and the part where the where some trees

839
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:53.679
<v Speaker 2>had fallen over from a flood when the glacier melts happened,

840
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.280
<v Speaker 2>and the snow melts. All of a sudden, these streams

841
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:59.880
<v Speaker 2>are all flooded out, created a barrier for us to

842
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:03.480
<v Speaker 2>have to get over. My pastor went over one side

843
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.000
<v Speaker 2>of it, and I tried to walk further down around

844
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:08.599
<v Speaker 2>the tree to see if it was easier to get

845
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:12.360
<v Speaker 2>over there, but he got across before I did, and

846
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:15.519
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, he says, Scott, get over here.

847
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:19.440
<v Speaker 2>So I be through the brush and I get over

848
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:22.079
<v Speaker 2>there to him, and I said, what's up there? And

849
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:24.480
<v Speaker 2>he goes man. Just as I was crossing through there,

850
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:28.400
<v Speaker 2>I heard something squawk and then I heard something hit

851
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:31.119
<v Speaker 2>the ground. And at the same time I hear something

852
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:35.079
<v Speaker 2>hit the ground, the brush started moving like it was

853
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:39.360
<v Speaker 2>something was moving through it really fast, and I said, okay,

854
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:42.400
<v Speaker 2>the ground's pretty muddy here. We should be able to

855
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.159
<v Speaker 2>see something. So we walk over to it. And this

856
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:51.519
<v Speaker 2>mud was not wet mud. It was more like playto level.

857
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Were just like a perfect environment and for that for

858
00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:00.639
<v Speaker 2>looking for tracks, and sure enough we find them. But

859
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.800
<v Speaker 2>what surprised me was that these look like kid tracks,

860
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:09.440
<v Speaker 2>say an eight year old. They didn't look any particular

861
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:13.159
<v Speaker 2>difference in track to what a human being would be

862
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:18.320
<v Speaker 2>And but what was we then looked for was this?

863
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:20.920
<v Speaker 2>He heard the like I said, He said, he heard

864
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:24.159
<v Speaker 2>something hit the ground like a thud. And I look

865
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:27.920
<v Speaker 2>around and there was a can of coke sitting there

866
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.079
<v Speaker 2>in the mud. And I pull it out and I

867
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.599
<v Speaker 2>look at it, and there is a row of teeth

868
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:39.159
<v Speaker 2>marks on it, little indentured teeth. And there's a couple

869
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:42.559
<v Speaker 2>of unusual things that I'll point out about this teeth marks.

870
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.880
<v Speaker 2>One is how the front of our teeth are thin

871
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:49.840
<v Speaker 2>and flat, okay, and then as I get toward the

872
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:53.800
<v Speaker 2>rear they have they widen out and become what we

873
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:58.480
<v Speaker 2>call molars. This this marking, this on this thing, And

874
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.079
<v Speaker 2>there was only one ring of kind of a rainbow

875
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:04.760
<v Speaker 2>shape of the teeth marks, I'm guessing the upper the

876
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.440
<v Speaker 2>lower jaw, but there was no molar marks on it.

877
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:11.199
<v Speaker 2>It looked like they were all flat teeth. And my

878
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:14.400
<v Speaker 2>mouth is I'm a fairly large guy, but my mouth

879
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:18.239
<v Speaker 2>is about two and a half inches across. These marks

880
00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:21.519
<v Speaker 2>worth three and a half inches across from the base

881
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:26.840
<v Speaker 2>of the arc. And so my theory is that we

882
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:31.559
<v Speaker 2>had found a child bigfoot who had been watching the

883
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:36.840
<v Speaker 2>campsite and had stolen something from the campsite that it

884
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:40.559
<v Speaker 2>thought would be nice and was anxious to try some

885
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Coca Cola. I don't want to do an endorsement here,

886
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:46.119
<v Speaker 2>but it was trying getting ready to bite into the

887
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:50.000
<v Speaker 2>can when we surprised it and it ran off. By

888
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:55.280
<v Speaker 2>the way, my pastor died in twenty ten, and I

889
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:59.400
<v Speaker 2>tried to get that can back because he'd held onto that,

890
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:03.000
<v Speaker 2>and but by the time I thought about it and

891
00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:05.519
<v Speaker 2>went over there to talk to the family about it,

892
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:09.079
<v Speaker 2>they had already tossed it. So I don't have that

893
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:14.719
<v Speaker 2>as anymore it is, But nonetheless it shows you that

894
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:18.960
<v Speaker 2>they watch us. They may steal something from our campsites,

895
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:23.000
<v Speaker 2>they clearly enjoy our food. And I've got another story

896
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:25.519
<v Speaker 2>about food, since we're on that track.

897
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Before before you go there, I just wanted to as

898
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:31.960
<v Speaker 1>an aside, your pastors sounded like he was a really

899
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:36.119
<v Speaker 1>cool guy, into some cool stuff besides the words, so

900
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:40.280
<v Speaker 1>it's a shame that he has already passed on.

901
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:43.920
<v Speaker 2>For sure, he was one of the best pastors I

902
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:47.360
<v Speaker 2>ever met. He could he was an absolute scholar in

903
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:51.719
<v Speaker 2>Greek and would try to teach me constantly so I

904
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:55.360
<v Speaker 2>could read the Bible in Greek. And I'm pretty rusty

905
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:58.440
<v Speaker 2>on it now, but he was, absolutely he was. He

906
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:02.159
<v Speaker 2>was a really gutsy guy. He actually was got his

907
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:06.679
<v Speaker 2>seminary over in Northern Ireland and was almost blown apart

908
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 2>twice while doing his seminary there. Just he was basically fearless.

909
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:14.800
<v Speaker 2>He was also trained as a sniper in the army

910
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:18.920
<v Speaker 2>and one of the best shots I ever saw. I

911
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:23.960
<v Speaker 2>watched him from an unsupported bench position with his three

912
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:28.280
<v Speaker 2>hundred Winchester Magnum shoot a three quarter inch group at

913
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:32.559
<v Speaker 2>two hundred yards. I have never seen anybody do that before.

914
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:38.320
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, a very capable individual. Well i'll get into

915
00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.840
<v Speaker 2>where my son gets involved, and by the way, I'll

916
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:46.199
<v Speaker 2>point something else out that's interesting. I have brought people

917
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:51.760
<v Speaker 2>with me to this spot before besides the pastor, and

918
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:56.360
<v Speaker 2>we would have no interactions whatsoever. It seems to me

919
00:57:56.960 --> 00:58:00.920
<v Speaker 2>that these things either like you or they don't. How

920
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:04.239
<v Speaker 2>they make that determination, I have no idea, But if

921
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:06.599
<v Speaker 2>you don't pass monster, they don't have anything to do

922
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:09.960
<v Speaker 2>with you. I agree. I have found in my various

923
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:12.920
<v Speaker 2>listening to people of people that have been in that

924
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:18.760
<v Speaker 2>area before and had so off, never had anything happen.

925
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.079
<v Speaker 2>And these were people that were interested in me telling

926
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:26.280
<v Speaker 2>them where this thing was. I figured, if they're not

927
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:29.800
<v Speaker 2>getting interactions on their own while they're out there, then

928
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:33.079
<v Speaker 2>they clearly these bigfoot don't want to have anything to

929
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:37.880
<v Speaker 2>do with them. Now get into my son, and which

930
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:40.760
<v Speaker 2>was an interesting take. I have a son who's now

931
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.719
<v Speaker 2>considerably older. He's in his late thirties now. When he

932
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:47.840
<v Speaker 2>was a young man and starting to do this, I

933
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.599
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't even say man who was thirteen one the first

934
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:52.320
<v Speaker 2>time I drug him out in the woods so that

935
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:57.599
<v Speaker 2>he could encounter these things. He was kind of like, Dad,

936
00:58:57.679 --> 00:58:59.559
<v Speaker 2>why are you doing this to me? Dragging me out

937
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:03.039
<v Speaker 2>in the woods for some stupid thing. And I was

938
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:07.159
<v Speaker 2>telling him about the tree knocking that they were doing.

939
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:11.440
<v Speaker 2>And I took him out to our campsite where we

940
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:15.159
<v Speaker 2>had the previous interaction, and I said, here's what's going

941
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:20.960
<v Speaker 2>to happen. You're going to knock, and if they're ready,

942
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:24.079
<v Speaker 2>you're going to hear a single knock come out of

943
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:29.280
<v Speaker 2>the woods. Okay. And what that tells you is they're

944
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:32.760
<v Speaker 2>saying to you, look, I heard you, and I will

945
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:39.880
<v Speaker 2>respond to you as I feel uncomfortable. Okay, So I said, now,

946
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:42.440
<v Speaker 2>just so we went out we knocked on the tree.

947
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

948
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:06.320
<v Speaker 2>And I happened to be looking at him when at

949
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the time that this thing responded, and when it made

950
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:11.800
<v Speaker 2>it knock in the woods, all of a sudden, his

951
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:16.559
<v Speaker 2>eyes went wide and he was like, oh, maybe my dad,

952
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:20.960
<v Speaker 2>isn't it not after all? And I told him, Okay,

953
01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:22.920
<v Speaker 2>we'll just give him a couple of minutes here until

954
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:26.280
<v Speaker 2>he checks everything out, and when he feels comfortable he'll respond.

955
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Pretty soon we heard knocking out of the woods, and

956
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:31.599
<v Speaker 2>it was from that same spot that I told you

957
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:35.960
<v Speaker 2>about earlier, and so he had been at another spot,

958
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.000
<v Speaker 2>heard the knocks and then said, okay, I'll see what's

959
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:42.159
<v Speaker 2>going on, went over check this out, and then started knocking.

960
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:45.480
<v Speaker 2>And then my son actually was able to interact with him.

961
01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:51.239
<v Speaker 2>He was just going through musical training at that time,

962
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:54.800
<v Speaker 2>and so he was trying different patterns to see if

963
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:58.239
<v Speaker 2>he could engage it in the musical accompaniment. It didn't

964
01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:02.760
<v Speaker 2>show any tendency in that at all. It just looked

965
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:05.519
<v Speaker 2>like it was just trying to straight communication, not trying

966
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:10.079
<v Speaker 2>to make music. Now, another thing I'll point out is

967
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.280
<v Speaker 2>that when I went to the spot where I was

968
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:16.599
<v Speaker 2>pretty certain it was communicating to us from the first time.

969
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:19.320
<v Speaker 2>When I went to that up that trail, I looked

970
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:22.159
<v Speaker 2>for signs where something had been beating on the trees

971
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:26.960
<v Speaker 2>in the area, and I couldn't find anything. I'm under

972
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:31.400
<v Speaker 2>the impression that it is maybe imitating this sound, not

973
01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:34.480
<v Speaker 2>actually banging on a branch, but just making the sound

974
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.599
<v Speaker 2>like something banging on a brand on there. They seemed

975
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:45.000
<v Speaker 2>to be very vocally accomplished, and it's an interesting it's

976
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:48.400
<v Speaker 2>a theory. I can't say that that's exactly what's going on.

977
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they're bringing two branches with them and knocking them

978
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:55.000
<v Speaker 2>together and just and then not leaving them there when

979
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:58.320
<v Speaker 2>they go. I couldn't tell you, but they but I

980
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:01.199
<v Speaker 2>didn't see where they were actually at a spot just

981
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:04.719
<v Speaker 2>banging against a tree somewhere. There's another thing I'll point out.

982
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:08.800
<v Speaker 2>The one time my pastor and I climbed up this mountain.

983
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I remember I told you where the switch was. I

984
01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:12.920
<v Speaker 2>took him up and I showed him where of the

985
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.239
<v Speaker 2>claw marks were in the on the side of the tree,

986
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:18.039
<v Speaker 2>and then we continued up the full way up at

987
01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:21.400
<v Speaker 2>the top of the mountain, and we got up there

988
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and we didn't see anything particularly strange up there, but

989
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:29.840
<v Speaker 2>he said, let's go down this side. And I look

990
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:34.719
<v Speaker 2>at it and it was steep and it was tree covered.

991
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.159
<v Speaker 2>There was trees growing up, but it was at a

992
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:39.800
<v Speaker 2>very steep angle compared to what we were at before.

993
01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:44.199
<v Speaker 2>And I said, Edd, are you sure you want to

994
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:49.159
<v Speaker 2>do this? This is that looks pretty dangerous and he says, ah,

995
01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:51.960
<v Speaker 2>if it strikes me. The reason that if they're moving

996
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:54.559
<v Speaker 2>around here, they're going to pick the least likely area

997
01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:56.880
<v Speaker 2>where we're going to be walking, so that they're not

998
01:02:56.960 --> 01:03:00.760
<v Speaker 2>surprised by anything. And I said, I can't ultra logic,

999
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:04.519
<v Speaker 2>but okay, we'll go down. So we went down the

1000
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:09.519
<v Speaker 2>side of this mountain and it was just like basically

1001
01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:12.000
<v Speaker 2>going from tree to tree, just grabbing a hold of

1002
01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:13.719
<v Speaker 2>it and holding on to it till I could get

1003
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:16.280
<v Speaker 2>to another one. And just because because I was too

1004
01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:20.519
<v Speaker 2>afraid of falling down. What I found though that really

1005
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:26.840
<v Speaker 2>got my attention. Well, there were these curious spots that

1006
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:31.880
<v Speaker 2>were looked like where a tree had fallen over and

1007
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:34.920
<v Speaker 2>had left the hollow. How the roots will bring up

1008
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:37.440
<v Speaker 2>the dirt with it as it comes out, leave a

1009
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:41.079
<v Speaker 2>little depression in there. What was strange about them is

1010
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:46.480
<v Speaker 2>that were these depressions were fairly large, say fifteen feet across,

1011
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:49.800
<v Speaker 2>twelve feet across somewhere in there, and they would they were,

1012
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:52.719
<v Speaker 2>but they were padded down. They were like flattened, like

1013
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:56.599
<v Speaker 2>something had gone and heavy and had had just pressed

1014
01:03:56.639 --> 01:04:00.360
<v Speaker 2>it all down till it was just really flat, and

1015
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:05.559
<v Speaker 2>it looked like these were betting sites for them. They were.

1016
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:08.880
<v Speaker 2>My guess is that when they were bringing their families through,

1017
01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:13.960
<v Speaker 2>they would go into this area so that was rather

1018
01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:17.679
<v Speaker 2>difficult to access, and they would bring their families in

1019
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.400
<v Speaker 2>and make these betting sites on the sides of the

1020
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:23.840
<v Speaker 2>mountain so that they could be in relative say of safety,

1021
01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:27.320
<v Speaker 2>and without fear of surprise because believing there was no

1022
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:29.239
<v Speaker 2>way a human being was going to seek up on

1023
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:34.480
<v Speaker 2>them with that, With that, that's steep angle. But that's

1024
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:38.559
<v Speaker 2>just a theory. But it just looked too can they

1025
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:42.599
<v Speaker 2>say manufactured to and clearly not done by human beings.

1026
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:45.320
<v Speaker 2>That's just something we'll throw out as a way. I

1027
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.840
<v Speaker 2>think that they moved when they travel, they just have

1028
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:52.679
<v Speaker 2>these betting areas set aside safety and then they as

1029
01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:56.639
<v Speaker 2>they're moving along, they probably have those prepositioned so that

1030
01:04:56.719 --> 01:04:59.280
<v Speaker 2>they know there's some other place where there is a

1031
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:02.719
<v Speaker 2>tactical spot where they can rest that they set up

1032
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:05.239
<v Speaker 2>for the next camp when they move through the area.

1033
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:09.800
<v Speaker 1>It definitely makes sense. It's I think it's a good theory.

1034
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you can answer this one. But

1035
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:16.360
<v Speaker 1>this area that you mentioned, is it one where it's

1036
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:19.119
<v Speaker 1>pretty far out in the woods or would you have

1037
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:24.760
<v Speaker 1>to worry about other humans potentially being there and causing issues.

1038
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:28.360
<v Speaker 2>There are there are human beings all over the place

1039
01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:31.840
<v Speaker 2>out there, and there's hunters, there's campers, there's hikers or whatever,

1040
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:36.039
<v Speaker 2>and those of that are familiar with the Central Cascade region.

1041
01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:39.599
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I guess I'll allude to one

1042
01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:43.239
<v Speaker 2>other aspect of this. There was a period of time

1043
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.760
<v Speaker 2>from the last encounter I had with them was twenty nineteen,

1044
01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:51.000
<v Speaker 2>and the reason why things have I've had to drop

1045
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:54.199
<v Speaker 2>it for a while was two reasons. One, I only

1046
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:56.719
<v Speaker 2>go out there when I can find somebody to go

1047
01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:59.559
<v Speaker 2>with me, and it was very hard with my job

1048
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:02.079
<v Speaker 2>to co ordinated time where I could have somebody else

1049
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:03.760
<v Speaker 2>that was also off at the same time to go

1050
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:06.639
<v Speaker 2>out there. But the big problem I ran into is

1051
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:12.039
<v Speaker 2>from twenty nineteen to roughly about twenty twenty two. There

1052
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:15.079
<v Speaker 2>were so many people out there trying to get rid

1053
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:17.480
<v Speaker 2>of this thing, trying to get away from the town

1054
01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:20.280
<v Speaker 2>so that they were away from the restrictions of having

1055
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:22.920
<v Speaker 2>to wear a mask all the time and whatnot. That

1056
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:26.280
<v Speaker 2>they were just everywhere driving their dirt bikes and with

1057
01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:30.760
<v Speaker 2>their big packs of campsites and whatnot. And well, a

1058
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:33.960
<v Speaker 2>couple of times we went out there, we were just astounded.

1059
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I was seeing more people at one time than I

1060
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:44.679
<v Speaker 2>saw prior ten years before that. It was just astounding

1061
01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:49.800
<v Speaker 2>to me. But it's gotten back to normal now, and

1062
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:52.800
<v Speaker 2>I hope I have retired fully and I just had

1063
01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:56.079
<v Speaker 2>of the military, but out of work in general, and

1064
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:59.000
<v Speaker 2>as soon as I can find somebody to go with me,

1065
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.519
<v Speaker 2>it will start going out there again. By the way,

1066
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:07.400
<v Speaker 2>the spot that i'm in, it's pretty much inaccessible during

1067
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:10.639
<v Speaker 2>the wintertime unless you want to go in with country

1068
01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:13.639
<v Speaker 2>skis or something. But you'd have to go in for

1069
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:17.000
<v Speaker 2>miles to get into that area because there's no roads

1070
01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:21.119
<v Speaker 2>out there that aren't just schemer Beihle. I'm really familiar

1071
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:24.559
<v Speaker 2>with it from with their movement patterns from say about

1072
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:31.679
<v Speaker 2>May until October, so I can't tell you what they

1073
01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:34.599
<v Speaker 2>do during the winter. I don't know. I think there

1074
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:39.639
<v Speaker 2>is a very strategic region that they have that's set

1075
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:43.360
<v Speaker 2>up for their winter campsite. And I have my theories

1076
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:45.719
<v Speaker 2>and I can't get into it for this show because

1077
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:48.639
<v Speaker 2>I would give away where they are. But there's a

1078
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:51.400
<v Speaker 2>reason why they're in the spot they're in, and it's

1079
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:55.639
<v Speaker 2>brilliant they are. Once I started figuring out what they

1080
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:58.760
<v Speaker 2>were doing, I said, these guys don't just think tactically.

1081
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:03.119
<v Speaker 2>They think strategically as well about where they are and

1082
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:07.280
<v Speaker 2>where they are in relationship to us. That's part of

1083
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:10.679
<v Speaker 2>the reason why they're able to inhabit without us running

1084
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.480
<v Speaker 2>into them all the time. They have pretty planned everything

1085
01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:18.399
<v Speaker 2>to an incredible degree. Now, what happens, I believe is

1086
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:24.960
<v Speaker 2>that sometimes, just like human beings, they make mistakes and

1087
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.399
<v Speaker 2>they get out of their patterns for whatever reason. Maybe

1088
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:32.439
<v Speaker 2>they're exploring, maybe they're the guys that are looking for

1089
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:36.600
<v Speaker 2>new patterns, just for alternate roots in case their others

1090
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:40.159
<v Speaker 2>position is compromised or whatever. But for once they get

1091
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:44.119
<v Speaker 2>out of that established procedural place that they have, that's

1092
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:46.920
<v Speaker 2>when they tend to make mistakes and they run into us.

1093
01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:50.359
<v Speaker 2>That's where we catch them. But when they have their

1094
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:54.640
<v Speaker 2>movement phase with their families and whatnot, everything seems to

1095
01:08:54.680 --> 01:09:01.600
<v Speaker 2>be very organized to a military level, and they are

1096
01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:04.119
<v Speaker 2>able to move safely with their families most of the

1097
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:07.800
<v Speaker 2>time without interacting with us at all. We're just not

1098
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:11.840
<v Speaker 2>wise to their positions at all. Then to go into

1099
01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:16.039
<v Speaker 2>the next part of this, and that was their interactions

1100
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:20.479
<v Speaker 2>with my wife and daughter. I married a Philippine. Matter

1101
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:23.600
<v Speaker 2>of fact, my pastor married us back in two thousand

1102
01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:29.079
<v Speaker 2>and four. And I had told us Gal she was

1103
01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:33.279
<v Speaker 2>from the Philippines and brought her over here, and I

1104
01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:35.359
<v Speaker 2>told her about this, and she says, I really want

1105
01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:38.199
<v Speaker 2>to go camping. It's been my dream all my life

1106
01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:43.600
<v Speaker 2>to go camping, and Filipinos don't go camping. She lives

1107
01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:48.359
<v Speaker 2>in the most what do I say, the probably one

1108
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:50.960
<v Speaker 2>of the most dangerous areas in the Philippines to live,

1109
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:55.000
<v Speaker 2>which is Mendenau with the various terrorist groups and whatnot

1110
01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:57.239
<v Speaker 2>out there. And she said, if I had built a

1111
01:09:57.239 --> 01:09:59.279
<v Speaker 2>fire in the woods, i'd have ten guys with AK

1112
01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:03.359
<v Speaker 2>forty seven showing up in a heartbeat. We're trying to

1113
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:06.600
<v Speaker 2>see what I'm doing. And she had never been camping,

1114
01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:10.279
<v Speaker 2>and when she said she wanted to go camping. I thought, okay,

1115
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.880
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't really want to go in the woods. She

1116
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:16.239
<v Speaker 2>wants to go out to some campsite somewhere. So I

1117
01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:19.199
<v Speaker 2>went to one of those paid campsite things and I

1118
01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:20.560
<v Speaker 2>brought out there and I said, well, what do you

1119
01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:23.359
<v Speaker 2>think of this? And she said, that's nice, but why

1120
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:25.319
<v Speaker 2>are all these other people here? I want to go

1121
01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:29.560
<v Speaker 2>somewhere where there's nobody. And I said, okay, I can

1122
01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:33.159
<v Speaker 2>take it where. I told you about those bigfoot guys.

1123
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:36.319
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I'll throw something out. I haven't

1124
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:39.279
<v Speaker 2>heard anybody mention this on your program before. But do

1125
01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:44.439
<v Speaker 2>you know the Philippines has their own bigfoot Ooh.

1126
01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:46.239
<v Speaker 1>No, Actually, can you say the name of it? I

1127
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:47.359
<v Speaker 1>may have heard the name of it.

1128
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Capri. No, yeah, that's what it is. Now

1129
01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:57.600
<v Speaker 2>there's a very bizarre take to this very bizarre take.

1130
01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:01.039
<v Speaker 2>The way they always think if I say Capri to

1131
01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:05.800
<v Speaker 2>a Filipino they had an image will pop into their

1132
01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:10.000
<v Speaker 2>head and it is a picture of a very large,

1133
01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:14.279
<v Speaker 2>hairy man sitting underneath a h in the shade of

1134
01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:20.079
<v Speaker 2>a tree, smoking a cigar. And that's and if you

1135
01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:23.000
<v Speaker 2>type in Capri and put and then go to Google

1136
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:26.720
<v Speaker 2>and push image. You're going to see those drawings of

1137
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.119
<v Speaker 2>it sitting there and that and that's spelled with a K,

1138
01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:35.800
<v Speaker 2>by the way, not a C. And when my wife

1139
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:38.600
<v Speaker 2>was raised, she was always told to look out for

1140
01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:43.039
<v Speaker 2>the red eyes in the trees and because that's because

1141
01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:46.479
<v Speaker 2>they have glowing red eyes apparently, and that she sa

1142
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:48.720
<v Speaker 2>they would make the kids come in, just like we

1143
01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:50.960
<v Speaker 2>do with the Boogeyman. Don't let the Boogeyman get you,

1144
01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:54.199
<v Speaker 2>come on and when it gets start. Their boogeyman was

1145
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:59.000
<v Speaker 2>a capri so she had no issues with that whatsoever.

1146
01:11:59.640 --> 01:11:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1147
01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:02.479
<v Speaker 2>The next phase of the story, I'm going to get

1148
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:05.920
<v Speaker 2>into that we talked about some of their communicational things.

1149
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:09.399
<v Speaker 2>There's another thing that they do for communication, apparently, and

1150
01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:12.720
<v Speaker 2>that is a smell. People are always talking in your

1151
01:12:12.760 --> 01:12:17.880
<v Speaker 2>show about how you have this they have this stink, okay,

1152
01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:22.199
<v Speaker 2>But in my various interactions with them, I quickly grew

1153
01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:29.079
<v Speaker 2>to realize that that stink varies and there's different communicational

1154
01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:32.600
<v Speaker 2>aspects to it. And by the way, there's something that

1155
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:35.600
<v Speaker 2>I've become so familiar with now in the time that

1156
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I have that when I do encounter them and smell.

1157
01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:43.520
<v Speaker 2>That smell, there's a certain pheromone that they seem to

1158
01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:47.199
<v Speaker 2>have that, for want of a better description, it will

1159
01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:49.800
<v Speaker 2>always have a fishing oil. I don't know if you've

1160
01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:52.439
<v Speaker 2>ever smelled like cod liver oil or something like that.

1161
01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:56.000
<v Speaker 2>It has that kind of same fishing smell to it,

1162
01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:01.079
<v Speaker 2>but that's that underlying pheromone. The rest of the smell

1163
01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:05.159
<v Speaker 2>could change, okay, but there will be that still at

1164
01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:09.000
<v Speaker 2>that little faint pheromone smell, and I'll pick that up

1165
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:11.279
<v Speaker 2>with my nose before I'll smell the rest of it.

1166
01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:15.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's by design or by they

1167
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:17.840
<v Speaker 2>released a pheromone first and then the other scent or

1168
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:21.600
<v Speaker 2>whatever's going on, but I've had several encounters with them

1169
01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:25.840
<v Speaker 2>where they've had completely different smells to them. And in

1170
01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:30.479
<v Speaker 2>that particular case we went out to I actually deliberately

1171
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:33.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to camp in the same spot, but I

1172
01:13:33.079 --> 01:13:36.359
<v Speaker 2>camped on a stream about It was less than a mile,

1173
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:39.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe about two thirds of a mile away, about a

1174
01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:43.399
<v Speaker 2>kilometer from the Bigfoot area, because I didn't want her

1175
01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:48.039
<v Speaker 2>to get overwhelmed with these things. But we went and

1176
01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:50.640
<v Speaker 2>she had a daughter that she brought with us, which

1177
01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I consider my daughter, and so they went camping their

1178
01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:58.159
<v Speaker 2>first time out by this stream, and it's very ideal,

1179
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:02.600
<v Speaker 2>like the babbling brook and the pine trees and everything,

1180
01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:05.800
<v Speaker 2>and I thought this is great. As it was starting

1181
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:08.680
<v Speaker 2>to get dark, there was a big patch of woods

1182
01:14:08.720 --> 01:14:11.840
<v Speaker 2>near us, and all of a sudden I caught that

1183
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:16.000
<v Speaker 2>pheromone scent, and I said to her, I said, I

1184
01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:18.279
<v Speaker 2>don't want to arm you, but one of them is

1185
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:20.640
<v Speaker 2>in the immediate area. I can I know, I can

1186
01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:23.800
<v Speaker 2>tell he's here, and he's just coming by to check

1187
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:27.239
<v Speaker 2>us out, and I want you to come down with me,

1188
01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.479
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to interact with him a little bit.

1189
01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:34.880
<v Speaker 2>And so what I had done was I had bought

1190
01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:40.239
<v Speaker 2>a one of those little night vision monoculars, and I

1191
01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:43.000
<v Speaker 2>wanted a chance to see if I could see them

1192
01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:45.720
<v Speaker 2>with this, because now it's starting to come dusk and

1193
01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:50.079
<v Speaker 2>I could hopefully his eye shine off of the ir

1194
01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:55.000
<v Speaker 2>from the monocular. And so I walked down and I

1195
01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:58.960
<v Speaker 2>was armed, of course, with Trusty four fifty four, and

1196
01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:03.800
<v Speaker 2>we walked down the tree and waited, and sure enough,

1197
01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:06.039
<v Speaker 2>the smell started to get more and more, to the

1198
01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:09.439
<v Speaker 2>point that it was almost eyewatering. This thing. If I

1199
01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:13.800
<v Speaker 2>were to it's almost impossible to establish distance from smell,

1200
01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:16.560
<v Speaker 2>but it says, if it was like ten feet from

1201
01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:20.079
<v Speaker 2>us and I'm not seeing a thing. I'm looking all

1202
01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:22.920
<v Speaker 2>over through the woods with this monocular, turning back and

1203
01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:25.600
<v Speaker 2>forth and looking around, I'm not seeing a thing. But

1204
01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:27.920
<v Speaker 2>this smell was almost to the point that you could

1205
01:15:27.960 --> 01:15:30.479
<v Speaker 2>gag on it. And I said, how do you describe

1206
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:33.079
<v Speaker 2>this smell? I said that to my wife, and she says,

1207
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:35.560
<v Speaker 2>she's holding her nose, and she says, it smells like

1208
01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:36.439
<v Speaker 2>somebody's vomiting.

1209
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Fish big for society will be right back after these messages.

1210
01:15:57.119 --> 01:16:00.199
<v Speaker 2>And I said, oh, that's a pretty good description what

1211
01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:03.479
<v Speaker 2>I would call it. And so that was that's how

1212
01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:06.319
<v Speaker 2>I would described that encounter. And pretty soon we stood

1213
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:08.720
<v Speaker 2>there and we waited, and I didn't know if it

1214
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:11.239
<v Speaker 2>was going to interact with us in some way, But

1215
01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:14.239
<v Speaker 2>pretty soon the smell started to go down and then

1216
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:16.800
<v Speaker 2>to where it faded into nothing, and I knew it

1217
01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:20.520
<v Speaker 2>moved away. Not a brainch was broken, not a movement

1218
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:25.079
<v Speaker 2>of any kind, nothing developed eyeshine, just that overpowering smell,

1219
01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:27.319
<v Speaker 2>and I knew that he was just coming by to

1220
01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:31.079
<v Speaker 2>say hello, bringing somebody new for me to meet today,

1221
01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:33.600
<v Speaker 2>and then then once he was satisfied, he went on

1222
01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:38.479
<v Speaker 2>his way and never bothered with him again. My wife, unfortunately,

1223
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:43.079
<v Speaker 2>had an bigfoot encounter. So whenever we go camping, which

1224
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:45.800
<v Speaker 2>is frequent, and we do go in the area, but

1225
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:49.640
<v Speaker 2>we stay usually three miles away from that spot, not

1226
01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:54.239
<v Speaker 2>that close to it, and they've never attempted to interact

1227
01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:58.239
<v Speaker 2>with us directly. I'll make one exception. One time she

1228
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:01.399
<v Speaker 2>decided to invite some of her friends, a couple of

1229
01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:04.720
<v Speaker 2>few females that had never been camping in their lives either,

1230
01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and she said, why don't you come with us so

1231
01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:10.439
<v Speaker 2>you can see what that's like. So we went to

1232
01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:14.880
<v Speaker 2>a completely different spot several miles from there, probably like

1233
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:18.720
<v Speaker 2>seven or eight miles as the crow flies, and we

1234
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:22.760
<v Speaker 2>found another stream, and we set up camp and whatnot.

1235
01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:26.159
<v Speaker 2>We got food cooking and everything, and while we were

1236
01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:29.359
<v Speaker 2>sitting down to eat, I heard a sound which I

1237
01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:32.239
<v Speaker 2>at first I was thinking I was hearing a bullfrog

1238
01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:35.880
<v Speaker 2>because it was in the swampy area near the stream,

1239
01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:39.199
<v Speaker 2>that's not out of the question. But as I'm listening

1240
01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:43.159
<v Speaker 2>to it, I said, this doesn't quite sound right. And

1241
01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:45.840
<v Speaker 2>so when the meal ended, I and it wasn't. It

1242
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:49.319
<v Speaker 2>was just like you here, and then you'd a little

1243
01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:53.000
<v Speaker 2>while later you'd hear another one, like about a minute apart.

1244
01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:57.199
<v Speaker 2>And so I then got up and I started just

1245
01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:00.920
<v Speaker 2>following the sounds. I would hear it every grunt, i'd

1246
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.720
<v Speaker 2>just walk a little further out. And we were at

1247
01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:07.199
<v Speaker 2>our encampment in the woods, and as I was as

1248
01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:10.279
<v Speaker 2>we were camping, there was a clearing out near us

1249
01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:12.960
<v Speaker 2>where on the road that we came in, and I

1250
01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:18.279
<v Speaker 2>walked out there, and as I walk out, I then realize,

1251
01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:21.840
<v Speaker 2>because I get out in the clearing, I hear the

1252
01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:24.800
<v Speaker 2>grunt and I look in the direction and I realized

1253
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:27.880
<v Speaker 2>it's from a bridge line about four hundred meters away,

1254
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:32.119
<v Speaker 2>that's about a quarter mile. And I said, this thing

1255
01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:36.520
<v Speaker 2>was loud, but it apparently saw me at the time

1256
01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:38.920
<v Speaker 2>that it had when I stepped out of the woods,

1257
01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:40.560
<v Speaker 2>and that was the last time it grunted.

1258
01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:43.079
<v Speaker 4>And I know that must have been one of them,

1259
01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:48.039
<v Speaker 4>because I can't find anything that grunts lighted that loud.

1260
01:18:48.399 --> 01:18:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Not an elk, not a bear, nothing does anything quite

1261
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:55.840
<v Speaker 2>like that. Apparently they interacted in the area quite a bit.

1262
01:18:56.359 --> 01:18:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Was that grunt similar to the Chewbacca type one you

1263
01:18:59.319 --> 01:18:59.800
<v Speaker 1>heard before?

1264
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Too? Similar? By the way, you were getting digital there,

1265
01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:10.720
<v Speaker 2>just in case you couldn't tell the But it it

1266
01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:13.920
<v Speaker 2>was very similar, just louder. Must have been very loud

1267
01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:17.119
<v Speaker 2>because for it to carry that distance, but it wasn't

1268
01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:20.079
<v Speaker 2>very long. It was just sounded like that. That's the

1269
01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:22.960
<v Speaker 2>best I could do. And that doesn't sound like any particularly.

1270
01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Never heard of bears doing that particularly, and or elk

1271
01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:29.079
<v Speaker 2>or anything else that I could think of, And it

1272
01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:31.439
<v Speaker 2>musn't have been a very large animal to make that

1273
01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:35.479
<v Speaker 2>some kind of noise. Now, I also point out that

1274
01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:39.439
<v Speaker 2>one time when I was with Ed, we were camped

1275
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:44.760
<v Speaker 2>out there and I actually had the opportunity to hear

1276
01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:50.600
<v Speaker 2>its voice in speaking. And I would happen to be awake,

1277
01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:53.880
<v Speaker 2>and I'm laying there just staring into the darkness in

1278
01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:58.039
<v Speaker 2>the tent, and all of a sudden, right next to

1279
01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:01.960
<v Speaker 2>the tent, like maybe just ten feed from it, all

1280
01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:05.439
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, it starts talking. And I would love

1281
01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:07.800
<v Speaker 2>to be able to give you an idea what that

1282
01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:12.560
<v Speaker 2>sounded like, but I could not describe it. It's like nothing.

1283
01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:17.600
<v Speaker 2>It's so alien to what we're capable of doing. A

1284
01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:23.000
<v Speaker 2>squawking in a squealing sound that just it just said

1285
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:26.800
<v Speaker 2>whatever it had to say, and then without making the sound,

1286
01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:29.000
<v Speaker 2>it went away. Now I didn't go out to go

1287
01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:32.800
<v Speaker 2>check it. I'm not to me. I may be a

1288
01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:35.039
<v Speaker 2>brave man in certain things, but to go out into

1289
01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:39.760
<v Speaker 2>complete darkness and to face something that big and potentially

1290
01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:42.520
<v Speaker 2>piss it off, no thanks. I'm just going to stay

1291
01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:43.880
<v Speaker 2>in the tent leave it alone.

1292
01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Were these actual words you were hearing or was it

1293
01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:47.600
<v Speaker 1>closer till the serials sounds?

1294
01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, just when the closest I could ever come to

1295
01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:56.399
<v Speaker 2>is maybe like hogs when they do that sound. But

1296
01:20:56.439 --> 01:20:58.239
<v Speaker 2>there was more to it than that. There were grunts

1297
01:20:58.279 --> 01:21:02.319
<v Speaker 2>and growls with that was a cacophony of different sounds.

1298
01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:05.960
<v Speaker 2>While that was going on, it was just too hard

1299
01:21:06.039 --> 01:21:09.319
<v Speaker 2>for our vocal cords to be able to coordinate, to

1300
01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:12.039
<v Speaker 2>be able to match. But I think he just wanted

1301
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:13.920
<v Speaker 2>to say his peace and just let me know that

1302
01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:16.760
<v Speaker 2>we're there. I also would like to point out that

1303
01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:19.159
<v Speaker 2>they do like to have fun with us on occasion.

1304
01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:24.319
<v Speaker 2>They in a way, and I guess that when you're

1305
01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:26.920
<v Speaker 2>out there in the woods and your bored, you've got

1306
01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:29.880
<v Speaker 2>to do something to amuse yourself, and sometimes they do

1307
01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:30.840
<v Speaker 2>it at our expense.

1308
01:21:31.479 --> 01:21:35.279
<v Speaker 4>One of the things that happened was Ed was getting

1309
01:21:35.359 --> 01:21:38.720
<v Speaker 4>up in age and he having problems with his back.

1310
01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:42.720
<v Speaker 2>So his wife got him a nice cot to sit in,

1311
01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:46.039
<v Speaker 2>and so we put that cot in, but there wasn't

1312
01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:48.479
<v Speaker 2>much room in the tent, so it had it pressed

1313
01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:51.680
<v Speaker 2>up all against the side of the tent so that

1314
01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:54.000
<v Speaker 2>you could actually see the edge of the cot when

1315
01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:55.720
<v Speaker 2>you were outside of the tent, you could see that

1316
01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:59.239
<v Speaker 2>the ridge of it poking up against the side. And

1317
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:02.520
<v Speaker 2>he all I know of it is that he fell

1318
01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:05.720
<v Speaker 2>on me in the middle of the night, off of

1319
01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:09.239
<v Speaker 2>his cot, and I said, Ed, what happened? What's going on?

1320
01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:12.760
<v Speaker 2>And he said, I just got knocked off by one

1321
01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:15.439
<v Speaker 2>of these big foot And said how did that happen?

1322
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:18.399
<v Speaker 2>And he goes he gets up, and he says, I

1323
01:22:18.520 --> 01:22:21.479
<v Speaker 2>woke up and I could smell it, but I was

1324
01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:24.680
<v Speaker 2>so tired I started to lean back into my bunk,

1325
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:28.159
<v Speaker 2>and it could see my movement because you can see

1326
01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:31.119
<v Speaker 2>the movement of the cot pressed against the thing. And

1327
01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:33.319
<v Speaker 2>so he got angered with the fact that I wasn't

1328
01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:35.520
<v Speaker 2>going to interact with him, so he hit the edge

1329
01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:38.840
<v Speaker 2>of the cot with his fist I'm assuming or maybe

1330
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:41.439
<v Speaker 2>his foot and hit the edge of the cot on

1331
01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the tent and knocked the cot over and knocked him

1332
01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:47.399
<v Speaker 2>over on me. Just I guess he just got annoyed

1333
01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:49.479
<v Speaker 2>by the fact that we were going to ignore him,

1334
01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:56.079
<v Speaker 2>and so they'll interact with you in that manner. Another story,

1335
01:22:56.560 --> 01:22:58.840
<v Speaker 2>and I'll get into a couple of stories about my

1336
01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:02.399
<v Speaker 2>son and real quick. The second time that my son

1337
01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:08.079
<v Speaker 2>got interacted with them, we pull into the campsite area

1338
01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:12.079
<v Speaker 2>off this road this fire brake, and there was this

1339
01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:15.159
<v Speaker 2>huge bush. It's not there now, but at the time

1340
01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:18.279
<v Speaker 2>there was this massive bush that used to sit there

1341
01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:21.439
<v Speaker 2>and you couldn't see anything through it. You couldn't see

1342
01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:23.479
<v Speaker 2>a foot into this thing. It had so many leaves

1343
01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:27.640
<v Speaker 2>on it. And when I pull in with my vehicle,

1344
01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:32.199
<v Speaker 2>I got out and all of a sudden, I'm overwhelmed

1345
01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:35.439
<v Speaker 2>by the smell. I'm just as soon as I got

1346
01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:38.600
<v Speaker 2>out of the car, I just knew that something big

1347
01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:41.680
<v Speaker 2>was on the other side of that brand of those

1348
01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:45.039
<v Speaker 2>bushes and had been standing there and like just watching

1349
01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:50.720
<v Speaker 2>this coming in. And I could even describe perfectly the smell.

1350
01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:54.760
<v Speaker 2>It had that fishy odor to it, like tuna fish.

1351
01:23:54.840 --> 01:23:59.399
<v Speaker 2>And if you took macaroni and cheese and you put

1352
01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:02.600
<v Speaker 2>a little the tuna fish in there, and then you

1353
01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:05.439
<v Speaker 2>put it in a microwave and cooked it about a

1354
01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:08.359
<v Speaker 2>minute more than what it needed to have for it

1355
01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:10.600
<v Speaker 2>to be to where the point it was actually starting

1356
01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:13.000
<v Speaker 2>to burn. That would be the smell that you would get.

1357
01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:20.920
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm standing there and I'm smelling this almost

1358
01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:25.279
<v Speaker 2>my eyes are almost water and from the smell, and

1359
01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:29.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm concerned because I didn't want to do anything that

1360
01:24:29.800 --> 01:24:33.800
<v Speaker 2>would provoke it. And my son is right there. He's

1361
01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:37.720
<v Speaker 2>only thirteen. I'm concerned that he might be in danger.

1362
01:24:37.840 --> 01:24:40.239
<v Speaker 2>So we're just I said, just stay there, don't move,

1363
01:24:41.479 --> 01:24:44.720
<v Speaker 2>let it decide what it wants to do. And then

1364
01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:48.840
<v Speaker 2>pretty soon the smell started to scipitate, and I said, okay,

1365
01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I think he's left. So then I cautiously walked around

1366
01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:53.640
<v Speaker 2>the bush to the other side, and sure enough, there

1367
01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:56.960
<v Speaker 2>was no sign of anything around there, and I said, okay,

1368
01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:59.479
<v Speaker 2>I guess he's had his fun. So let's go build

1369
01:24:59.479 --> 01:25:04.119
<v Speaker 2>a cancer. Maybe i'll come back. Sure enough, we go

1370
01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:08.000
<v Speaker 2>and start setting up the tent, and as we're doing so,

1371
01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:13.600
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, that smell returns and I'm looking around.

1372
01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I can't see anything. There's trees in there, and there's bushes,

1373
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:21.399
<v Speaker 2>but still I could see a certain distance, like maybe

1374
01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:25.039
<v Speaker 2>thirty forty feet into the wooded area, but I'm not

1375
01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:28.800
<v Speaker 2>seeing a thing moving. But the smell was very overpowered,

1376
01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:33.920
<v Speaker 2>and so I look as I'm looking for it. All

1377
01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:36.880
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, I hear there's deep like lurch in

1378
01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:45.720
<v Speaker 2>the Adams family, this deep voice go. And I look

1379
01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:48.920
<v Speaker 2>around and them don't think that's anything all I've ever

1380
01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:52.039
<v Speaker 2>heard before. I'm looking around in the trees and I'm

1381
01:25:52.039 --> 01:25:54.560
<v Speaker 2>looking everywhere. I don't see anything. And then I hear

1382
01:25:54.600 --> 01:25:58.079
<v Speaker 2>it repeat itself again. That's saying deep whoo who sound.

1383
01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:01.880
<v Speaker 2>And then pretty soon this started to scipitate again, and

1384
01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I said, I guess he's moved on, but he wanted

1385
01:26:04.520 --> 01:26:09.880
<v Speaker 2>to leave his mark. Now. Part of that encounter that

1386
01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:13.239
<v Speaker 2>we just had was with another experiment that I was

1387
01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:16.720
<v Speaker 2>having about its food. I was very curious what these

1388
01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:21.479
<v Speaker 2>things like to eat, and so I was also trying

1389
01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:25.600
<v Speaker 2>to cleverly come up with a way of getting hair

1390
01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:30.279
<v Speaker 2>for evidence, okay, to see what I could determine. So

1391
01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:33.199
<v Speaker 2>I came up with the idea of using contact paper

1392
01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:38.840
<v Speaker 2>like you use for shelves, and then sticking food on it,

1393
01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:42.840
<v Speaker 2>like apples and bananas and whatever else I could think of,

1394
01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:45.600
<v Speaker 2>and sticking it on the thing so it was like

1395
01:26:46.119 --> 01:26:49.359
<v Speaker 2>glued to the surface, and then laying it out flat,

1396
01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:51.760
<v Speaker 2>and the hopes that if it picked up the food,

1397
01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:55.279
<v Speaker 2>it would leave some hairs behind. One of the things

1398
01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:59.560
<v Speaker 2>that I did was I thought about giving it nuts,

1399
01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:05.720
<v Speaker 2>and so I putted some salted almonds down, flavored almonds,

1400
01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:08.720
<v Speaker 2>and I put them in a zip block bag and

1401
01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:11.319
<v Speaker 2>I stuck that to the thing with the bag closed.

1402
01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:15.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, then, what I had done that the week before,

1403
01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:19.399
<v Speaker 2>I brought my son out and I was coming back

1404
01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:24.000
<v Speaker 2>now to see what if anything that had touched. We

1405
01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:27.680
<v Speaker 2>then went when we finished our tent, we went into

1406
01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:31.800
<v Speaker 2>the woods to go look at this thing, and the

1407
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:35.760
<v Speaker 2>found the thing, but it had been completely untouched except

1408
01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:41.520
<v Speaker 2>for one interesting thing, and that was the baggie had

1409
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:46.920
<v Speaker 2>been emptied completely of all of the nuts, and the

1410
01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:50.239
<v Speaker 2>bag had been closed again. Something had actually closed that

1411
01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:55.199
<v Speaker 2>zip block bag with that dexterity, but there were no

1412
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.359
<v Speaker 2>hairs on it or anything else. But I thought, how

1413
01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:02.439
<v Speaker 2>interesting that this thing was go out and would carefully

1414
01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:06.399
<v Speaker 2>open up a bag and apparently likes the nuts. And

1415
01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually going to surmise that that it was the

1416
01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:14.359
<v Speaker 2>salt that got it interested, because that's pretty hard to

1417
01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:16.279
<v Speaker 2>come by in the woods, and it probably liked that.

1418
01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:21.760
<v Speaker 2>But so now then I the next that was that evening,

1419
01:28:22.199 --> 01:28:26.439
<v Speaker 2>I left it out there again and it went back

1420
01:28:26.439 --> 01:28:29.399
<v Speaker 2>to the campsite. So we get up the next morning

1421
01:28:31.279 --> 01:28:33.600
<v Speaker 2>and go back out to the site, and I was

1422
01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:35.319
<v Speaker 2>going to pick it up and just bring it in

1423
01:28:36.079 --> 01:28:39.439
<v Speaker 2>with me, and because I figured they weren't interested in it,

1424
01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:41.840
<v Speaker 2>so I went to started to walk up to the

1425
01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:47.520
<v Speaker 2>site and all of a sudden I hit this smell

1426
01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:50.600
<v Speaker 2>at a wall of smell. That's all I could describe it.

1427
01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:55.279
<v Speaker 2>And when you look at at how chemicals sit in

1428
01:28:55.359 --> 01:29:00.840
<v Speaker 2>the air, the heavier the molecule, the less it travels.

1429
01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:06.720
<v Speaker 2>And so if I smell something really bad and very strong,

1430
01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:09.880
<v Speaker 2>and you ten feet from me don't smell it, yet,

1431
01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:13.680
<v Speaker 2>that tells me that's a very long, complex molecule that's

1432
01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:17.920
<v Speaker 2>hanging in the air. And to describe the smell, I

1433
01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:21.119
<v Speaker 2>would have to say it was had that same fishy

1434
01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:23.680
<v Speaker 2>odor to it that I always get, but this time

1435
01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:26.960
<v Speaker 2>it smelled like hot breaks, just if you'd had a

1436
01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:30.039
<v Speaker 2>semi slamming on the brakes and trying to burn out

1437
01:29:30.039 --> 01:29:33.319
<v Speaker 2>the brakes that had that same kind of smell, and

1438
01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:36.479
<v Speaker 2>I could smell this really bad, and I turned to him.

1439
01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I said, man, you can't getting this. He says, no,

1440
01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:42.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't smell anything. I said, oh, okay. But then

1441
01:29:42.640 --> 01:29:45.479
<v Speaker 2>it took about three more seconds for the smell to

1442
01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:48.039
<v Speaker 2>move over toward him to where he could get it,

1443
01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:50.640
<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden, he starts gagging. And

1444
01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:53.560
<v Speaker 2>what that told me is that, hey, I don't want

1445
01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:56.399
<v Speaker 2>you here for whatever reason. I want you to go away.

1446
01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:01.479
<v Speaker 2>And I said, okay, to me, that's a warning sign.

1447
01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:04.760
<v Speaker 2>We're turning around. I'm not retreating the food. I'm just

1448
01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:07.720
<v Speaker 2>going to go back. So we just turn around and left.

1449
01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:11.199
<v Speaker 2>At that point, they are able to alter their smells.

1450
01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:15.760
<v Speaker 2>They have a wide variety of senses of smells. I

1451
01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's I couldn't tell you whether it's

1452
01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:21.680
<v Speaker 2>an individual that's able to alter his smells or if

1453
01:30:21.720 --> 01:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>those are individual smells of One guy smells like hot

1454
01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>breaks all the time.

1455
01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Big for society will be right back after these messages.

1456
01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:48.479
<v Speaker 2>Another guy smells like macaroni and cheese with the or

1457
01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:51.640
<v Speaker 2>and another guy smells like rotted fish. I couldn't tell

1458
01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:55.239
<v Speaker 2>you or am I interacting with the same one all

1459
01:30:55.359 --> 01:30:59.159
<v Speaker 2>times and he's just giving me different smells. I don't know,

1460
01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:01.720
<v Speaker 2>but I knew know there's more than one, but it

1461
01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>will always have that accompanying kind of phishy odor to it.

1462
01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>That's such a weird. I think that this is the

1463
01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:13.399
<v Speaker 1>first show where that detail has come out. It's very interesting.

1464
01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be keeping it in mind now. It brings

1465
01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:21.319
<v Speaker 1>up an interesting point, and that they can either change

1466
01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:25.279
<v Speaker 1>things about themselves, or they're affecting the way that we

1467
01:31:27.239 --> 01:31:31.039
<v Speaker 1>either hear them or smell them, or they're changing their

1468
01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:35.439
<v Speaker 1>smell and their sound themselves. It's very strange to think about.

1469
01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is, but I just think it's just yet

1470
01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:44.600
<v Speaker 2>another way they communicate with each other if they are

1471
01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:48.840
<v Speaker 2>under attack. And I get this all the time. I

1472
01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:52.000
<v Speaker 2>tell the story to work, friends and stuff, and everybody

1473
01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:54.319
<v Speaker 2>kids me all the time about being the bigfoot guy.

1474
01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:57.960
<v Speaker 2>But I always get these guys come up to me.

1475
01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Can I go with you? I'm going to bring this

1476
01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:02.560
<v Speaker 2>gun and I'm going to bring that gun and whatever.

1477
01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:06.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, stay away, buddy, I don't need you with me,

1478
01:32:06.720 --> 01:32:09.960
<v Speaker 2>because if we start shooting these things, we're not coming

1479
01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:15.800
<v Speaker 2>out alive. I doubt seriously they're ever alone completely. Maybe

1480
01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:18.239
<v Speaker 2>they say you might run into one of the expeditionary

1481
01:32:18.279 --> 01:32:21.960
<v Speaker 2>ones that's alone, but if I'm in that area, I

1482
01:32:22.159 --> 01:32:25.159
<v Speaker 2>know that they're not alone. And if we start shooting,

1483
01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:28.760
<v Speaker 2>we're not coming out. Because these things you've heard, their

1484
01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:33.560
<v Speaker 2>rock throwing abilities are just incredible, and they they've never

1485
01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:36.279
<v Speaker 2>thrown a rock at me, But that doesn't mean that

1486
01:32:36.359 --> 01:32:38.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not aware that they're fully capable of that.

1487
01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Scott's I've heard accounts from a gentleman over

1488
01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:50.600
<v Speaker 1>by Packwood, Washington, where allegedly he ended up shooting one

1489
01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:53.279
<v Speaker 1>in the face, and then I want to say, the

1490
01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:58.520
<v Speaker 1>same guy later on they're in a different area nearby,

1491
01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:01.399
<v Speaker 1>but he ended up getting thrown down on the ground

1492
01:33:02.079 --> 01:33:08.039
<v Speaker 1>very very forcibly somehow. So there are definitely stories of

1493
01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:12.039
<v Speaker 1>if you mess around, you will find out that is

1494
01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:13.000
<v Speaker 1>the wrong thing to do.

1495
01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now I'm going to tell you a story that

1496
01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:22.720
<v Speaker 2>has I'm going to tell it because of the fact

1497
01:33:22.720 --> 01:33:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that it shows you how thorough I am and my

1498
01:33:25.159 --> 01:33:30.640
<v Speaker 2>investigations alludes to that. And I just don't make impulsive

1499
01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:33.199
<v Speaker 2>decisions on what I've encountered. I really try to think

1500
01:33:33.279 --> 01:33:37.199
<v Speaker 2>through it and make sure that I'm actually seeing what

1501
01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:41.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing and not deceived in some way. In this

1502
01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:43.600
<v Speaker 2>particular case, it was one of the rare times that

1503
01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:47.479
<v Speaker 2>I went out by myself. And I'm also make a

1504
01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:49.920
<v Speaker 2>point of telling you that the reason that I never

1505
01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:55.760
<v Speaker 2>go out by myself on most occasions is that one

1506
01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:58.319
<v Speaker 2>it's just a good safety thing, but two, I always

1507
01:33:58.359 --> 01:34:01.560
<v Speaker 2>want to witness with me to when I encounter something.

1508
01:34:02.720 --> 01:34:06.640
<v Speaker 2>But in this particular case, I had went by myself,

1509
01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:09.880
<v Speaker 2>and I had just bought in a gun show these

1510
01:34:10.079 --> 01:34:13.479
<v Speaker 2>Russian mvgs, and I was anxious to try them out.

1511
01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:20.239
<v Speaker 2>So I go out and I set up my campsite

1512
01:34:20.279 --> 01:34:23.680
<v Speaker 2>at the same spot. I decided to cook myself a meal,

1513
01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:26.840
<v Speaker 2>and it was just starting to get dark, and as

1514
01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm cooking on the tailgate of the truck, I said,

1515
01:34:31.079 --> 01:34:33.039
<v Speaker 2>it's getting dark enough. I want to check out these

1516
01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:37.279
<v Speaker 2>mvgs to see if they really work. So I put

1517
01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:41.000
<v Speaker 2>the mvgs on and then I turned them on, and

1518
01:34:41.039 --> 01:34:45.239
<v Speaker 2>then I look off into the woods and I am

1519
01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:48.439
<v Speaker 2>seeing all of a sudden, these two glowing dots that

1520
01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:53.600
<v Speaker 2>look like eyes, and so I lift up the mvgs

1521
01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:56.319
<v Speaker 2>to see what I could see. Without them, and I

1522
01:34:56.319 --> 01:34:58.880
<v Speaker 2>don't see anything. I don't see any glowing dots or

1523
01:34:58.920 --> 01:35:01.560
<v Speaker 2>anything else. So I put the NBGS on and there

1524
01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:04.560
<v Speaker 2>it is. And not only that, it's not just standing there,

1525
01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:09.359
<v Speaker 2>it's moving. And I'm like freaking out because I'm thinking this,

1526
01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:14.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing the eyeshine of of the ir and it's

1527
01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:18.520
<v Speaker 2>walking toward me. And then but it's silent. There's no

1528
01:35:18.760 --> 01:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>sound whatsoever. And of course I'm near a stream and

1529
01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:26.359
<v Speaker 2>a fairly rapidly moving one, so there's you can't see

1530
01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:31.479
<v Speaker 2>extree except for maybe really loud snapping branches, I wouldn't

1531
01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:35.079
<v Speaker 2>hear much. But it actually, as I'm watching it, it

1532
01:35:35.159 --> 01:35:39.880
<v Speaker 2>actually moves silently right next to me, through the woods

1533
01:35:40.439 --> 01:35:44.319
<v Speaker 2>to my right and between me and the stream. And

1534
01:35:44.359 --> 01:35:48.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, when I just freaked me down so much,

1535
01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I just said, Okay, if they're able to move like that,

1536
01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:55.039
<v Speaker 2>I am not going to mess with them. And so

1537
01:35:55.159 --> 01:35:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I just packed up everything and I went back. I

1538
01:35:58.000 --> 01:36:01.960
<v Speaker 2>spent a long time thinking about it, and I drug

1539
01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:04.640
<v Speaker 2>a friend of mine out with me the next weekend,

1540
01:36:06.800 --> 01:36:09.600
<v Speaker 2>and I said, I need to determine whether or not

1541
01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:13.800
<v Speaker 2>I had really encountered one, or was there some other

1542
01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:19.800
<v Speaker 2>explanation for this. And I looked at the area and

1543
01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:22.760
<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the stream was another dirt road,

1544
01:36:24.079 --> 01:36:30.239
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, what if it was a vehicle coming

1545
01:36:30.279 --> 01:36:33.279
<v Speaker 2>down the road. But because of the fact that it

1546
01:36:33.479 --> 01:36:37.199
<v Speaker 2>was through the woods and it wasn't quite dark yet,

1547
01:36:37.760 --> 01:36:40.720
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be able to see the headlights except with

1548
01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:46.199
<v Speaker 2>the MVGS. And so I did an experiment where I

1549
01:36:46.319 --> 01:36:51.199
<v Speaker 2>had him take a truck and go down the road

1550
01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:54.039
<v Speaker 2>without It was at a small angle, so you didn't

1551
01:36:54.039 --> 01:36:55.800
<v Speaker 2>have to give it the gas to get moving. You

1552
01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:58.159
<v Speaker 2>could actually coast down the road. And I said, I

1553
01:36:58.239 --> 01:37:00.079
<v Speaker 2>just want you to go up the road and come

1554
01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:02.359
<v Speaker 2>down again. I want to see if I could see

1555
01:37:02.399 --> 01:37:06.239
<v Speaker 2>her headlights. And he came down in the truck and

1556
01:37:06.319 --> 01:37:09.159
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't see him at all, and except when I

1557
01:37:09.239 --> 01:37:11.840
<v Speaker 2>put the MVGS on, and then I could see make

1558
01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:16.760
<v Speaker 2>out these headlights. I just I don't make statements rashly.

1559
01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:20.159
<v Speaker 2>I do check them out and as scientifically as I

1560
01:37:20.239 --> 01:37:23.800
<v Speaker 2>can to make a determination whether or not we're being

1561
01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:29.359
<v Speaker 2>whether whether it's something real or am I just making

1562
01:37:29.640 --> 01:37:35.920
<v Speaker 2>being fooled by just some other natural occurrence. So I

1563
01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:40.359
<v Speaker 2>have had other encounters with them with camping and what not.

1564
01:37:40.960 --> 01:37:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Occasionally when I camp put my wife, Like I said,

1565
01:37:44.119 --> 01:37:46.760
<v Speaker 2>she just doesn't she loves camping, she just doesn't want

1566
01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:50.840
<v Speaker 2>to have the bigfoot stomping around. Every now and then

1567
01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:53.079
<v Speaker 2>I'll wake up in the middle of the night and

1568
01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:56.600
<v Speaker 2>I'll catch that odor, and I know they're just okay,

1569
01:37:56.760 --> 01:38:00.920
<v Speaker 2>just checking out, making sure everything's okay. But they I

1570
01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:05.119
<v Speaker 2>think they understand her, and so out of respect for me,

1571
01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:08.479
<v Speaker 2>they don't really try to interfere with us that much,

1572
01:38:09.319 --> 01:38:14.560
<v Speaker 2>but I think they somehow know when I'm around. Now.

1573
01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:19.239
<v Speaker 2>The last story I've got was just before COVID hit.

1574
01:38:19.760 --> 01:38:24.199
<v Speaker 2>I went out with my son and it was the

1575
01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:27.439
<v Speaker 2>most interesting interaction I've ever had with them, because I

1576
01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:30.760
<v Speaker 2>didn't know they could do with what they had this

1577
01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:37.880
<v Speaker 2>capability about them. We parked our car and it was

1578
01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:42.600
<v Speaker 2>amazingly quiet in the area. There was hardly any traffic

1579
01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:47.600
<v Speaker 2>at all at that time off the main road, and

1580
01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:51.239
<v Speaker 2>so we parked our car and they decided to go

1581
01:38:51.359 --> 01:38:55.920
<v Speaker 2>for a walk, all right, And as we're walking around,

1582
01:38:57.560 --> 01:39:02.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm hearing this dog yapping and sounds like a Jack

1583
01:39:02.159 --> 01:39:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Russell terrier, who is the best I could describe it

1584
01:39:04.720 --> 01:39:09.399
<v Speaker 2>if you're interested, but it just was this concept. Yeah, yep.

1585
01:39:10.520 --> 01:39:14.119
<v Speaker 2>And as we're walking, I said, if the owner should

1586
01:39:14.119 --> 01:39:17.079
<v Speaker 2>have stopped this dog by now, but they haven't, they

1587
01:39:17.159 --> 01:39:21.039
<v Speaker 2>might be in trouble. So I listened for where the

1588
01:39:21.159 --> 01:39:24.720
<v Speaker 2>sound of this barking was coming from, and there was

1589
01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:30.560
<v Speaker 2>a road leading off in that direction, and my thought was,

1590
01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:33.520
<v Speaker 2>is that somebody that might have set a campsite up

1591
01:39:33.560 --> 01:39:37.520
<v Speaker 2>and that had leased their dog and maybe they were

1592
01:39:37.560 --> 01:39:39.600
<v Speaker 2>in trouble. Maybe the guy had a heart attack or

1593
01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:41.840
<v Speaker 2>something and the dog is just trying to get our

1594
01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:45.760
<v Speaker 2>attention for help or whatever. As we walked down the road,

1595
01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:49.039
<v Speaker 2>I said, yeah, it's definitely coming from down this little

1596
01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:53.319
<v Speaker 2>this off trail, so let's walk down there. So we

1597
01:39:53.399 --> 01:39:59.039
<v Speaker 2>walked down the road about maybe two hundred yards and

1598
01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:04.359
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudd the barking stops, and then something.

1599
01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:08.399
<v Speaker 2>There was some bushes off to our left and something

1600
01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:12.000
<v Speaker 2>big was moving through those brush. Now, that's nothing to

1601
01:40:12.039 --> 01:40:14.439
<v Speaker 2>get excited about, because, like I said, there's tons of

1602
01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:19.439
<v Speaker 2>elk and obviously bear and I have seen black bear

1603
01:40:19.479 --> 01:40:22.760
<v Speaker 2>running around their life, so that in itself meant nothing.

1604
01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:26.319
<v Speaker 2>But something really big was moving through about twenty yards

1605
01:40:26.319 --> 01:40:29.119
<v Speaker 2>of bushes right next to us, and you could just

1606
01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:32.680
<v Speaker 2>hear it shaking and whatnot, and cracking and whatnot. But

1607
01:40:33.720 --> 01:40:36.319
<v Speaker 2>what was the telling part about it was is that

1608
01:40:36.359 --> 01:40:40.319
<v Speaker 2>when the shaking stopped, then the dogs started barking. And

1609
01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:43.920
<v Speaker 2>now it was where the branches had started to stop shaking,

1610
01:40:43.960 --> 01:40:46.439
<v Speaker 2>where it had gone through the branches to the other

1611
01:40:46.479 --> 01:40:50.199
<v Speaker 2>side of this bushes, and then started barking again in

1612
01:40:50.239 --> 01:40:54.199
<v Speaker 2>a completely different area, now behind us. And so I said,

1613
01:40:54.199 --> 01:40:56.439
<v Speaker 2>all right, I don't know what's going on, but just

1614
01:40:56.479 --> 01:41:00.319
<v Speaker 2>stay behind me about twenty yards. Just keep me inside,

1615
01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:02.399
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to go ahead and see if I

1616
01:41:02.439 --> 01:41:07.199
<v Speaker 2>can see this dog. So I started walking through this

1617
01:41:07.479 --> 01:41:10.079
<v Speaker 2>open area of woods. When I say open, it means

1618
01:41:10.079 --> 01:41:12.840
<v Speaker 2>it was brush free, but there were still plenty of trees.

1619
01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:19.000
<v Speaker 2>And as I'm walking, this thing was just staying out

1620
01:41:19.079 --> 01:41:22.760
<v Speaker 2>of sight. You'd hear it behind a tree, let's say,

1621
01:41:22.880 --> 01:41:26.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe twenty thirty yards away from you, and then just

1622
01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:29.159
<v Speaker 2>as you got up to the tree, it would all

1623
01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:32.960
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden be quiet, and then another thirty yards

1624
01:41:32.960 --> 01:41:35.960
<v Speaker 2>away would be another tree and you'd hear barking behind that.

1625
01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:40.720
<v Speaker 2>It's like, how is this happening? But it was clearly

1626
01:41:40.840 --> 01:41:44.319
<v Speaker 2>leading us around. And then as we were trying to

1627
01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:47.399
<v Speaker 2>follow it, and then finally it quit barking, and then

1628
01:41:47.439 --> 01:41:50.640
<v Speaker 2>it went to the across the road that we walked

1629
01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:54.119
<v Speaker 2>in on and then started barking from that side all

1630
01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:57.439
<v Speaker 2>the time without breaking a branch or moving a thing.

1631
01:41:57.520 --> 01:42:01.199
<v Speaker 2>It was just so bizarre, so I said, okay, clearly

1632
01:42:01.239 --> 01:42:03.960
<v Speaker 2>it's messing with us, so let's just go back about

1633
01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:07.079
<v Speaker 2>our business. So we got out. We just walked down

1634
01:42:07.119 --> 01:42:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the road a little further and we crossed this bridge

1635
01:42:13.279 --> 01:42:18.079
<v Speaker 2>and we were walking along and then all of the

1636
01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:23.079
<v Speaker 2>grunting sounds like, for want of a better description, i'd

1637
01:42:23.079 --> 01:42:26.720
<v Speaker 2>say it sounded just like chimpanzees that kind of that

1638
01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:31.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of grunting the sound that they make, and it's

1639
01:42:31.359 --> 01:42:35.720
<v Speaker 2>coming from underneath the bridge we just crossed. So I said, okay,

1640
01:42:36.159 --> 01:42:38.840
<v Speaker 2>let's see what's going on here. Let you walk on

1641
01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:40.600
<v Speaker 2>one side of the bridge and I'll walk on the other,

1642
01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:42.399
<v Speaker 2>and we'll see if we can see anything move out.

1643
01:42:43.439 --> 01:42:46.520
<v Speaker 2>So we walked up to the bridge and it stopped

1644
01:42:46.680 --> 01:42:48.960
<v Speaker 2>about it as we got about to say, twenty yards

1645
01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:52.159
<v Speaker 2>from the bridge, and so we tried to watch for movement,

1646
01:42:52.199 --> 01:42:54.960
<v Speaker 2>but we were not exactly the best angle to see it.

1647
01:42:55.399 --> 01:42:57.600
<v Speaker 2>But we walked up to the bridge and looked underneath.

1648
01:42:57.640 --> 01:43:00.760
<v Speaker 2>It was nothing there. So I said, man, these guys

1649
01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:03.079
<v Speaker 2>are just having fun with us. We went back to

1650
01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:06.239
<v Speaker 2>our campsite and we went the rest of the night.

1651
01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:08.720
<v Speaker 2>I kept thinking that they were going to show up

1652
01:43:08.840 --> 01:43:12.960
<v Speaker 2>or something at night, but nothing. But then the next

1653
01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:18.359
<v Speaker 2>morning I wake up and it's just starting to get daybreak,

1654
01:43:20.199 --> 01:43:25.319
<v Speaker 2>and I hear a bird. And as I'm trying to

1655
01:43:25.359 --> 01:43:28.680
<v Speaker 2>wake up, I listened to this bird, and then the

1656
01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:31.039
<v Speaker 2>dawns on me. I said, well, well, wait a minute.

1657
01:43:31.560 --> 01:43:35.399
<v Speaker 2>This isn't any bird. This is a something like some

1658
01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:39.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of tropical bird. There's a It sounds like what

1659
01:43:39.720 --> 01:43:41.880
<v Speaker 2>you'd expect to say, a tucn or one of those

1660
01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:46.760
<v Speaker 2>exotic parakeets in say Brazil to make nothing like you'd

1661
01:43:46.760 --> 01:43:50.680
<v Speaker 2>find in Washington or even in North America. And it

1662
01:43:50.720 --> 01:43:53.720
<v Speaker 2>was very elaborate, and I did take it and my

1663
01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:57.359
<v Speaker 2>cell phone. The problem I had was that when I

1664
01:43:57.399 --> 01:43:59.800
<v Speaker 2>got my new cell phone, I asked them to transfer

1665
01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:04.039
<v Speaker 2>all data and they I didn't realize until too late

1666
01:44:04.079 --> 01:44:07.760
<v Speaker 2>that they didn't translate the recording that I had. Sadly,

1667
01:44:07.840 --> 01:44:10.680
<v Speaker 2>I've been happy to have played that for you, but

1668
01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:15.279
<v Speaker 2>I had played it to other people and had and

1669
01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:17.600
<v Speaker 2>so they had heard it, so they said, yeah, that

1670
01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:21.560
<v Speaker 2>just sounds so bizarre. It had a rhythmic pattern to it,

1671
01:44:21.600 --> 01:44:23.880
<v Speaker 2>but it was very long. It was like an elaborate

1672
01:44:24.039 --> 01:44:28.520
<v Speaker 2>undulating pattern that was probably like probably about ten seconds

1673
01:44:28.560 --> 01:44:33.840
<v Speaker 2>before it repeated itself. Oh man. And yeah. So anyway,

1674
01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:37.439
<v Speaker 2>but now there's a little side story to that. I

1675
01:44:37.479 --> 01:44:41.840
<v Speaker 2>told one of my work friends about that, and so

1676
01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:45.880
<v Speaker 2>he goes camping, not in the exact same area, but

1677
01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:52.319
<v Speaker 2>near that area, but probably fifteen twenty miles as of proflies.

1678
01:44:53.039 --> 01:44:55.520
<v Speaker 2>But he brought his family in there, and he had

1679
01:44:55.560 --> 01:44:59.479
<v Speaker 2>told them specifically about this story that I said, And

1680
01:44:59.560 --> 01:45:02.199
<v Speaker 2>he said, as they were going through the woods out there,

1681
01:45:02.319 --> 01:45:05.840
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, he said, I know exactly what

1682
01:45:05.880 --> 01:45:06.720
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about.

1683
01:45:07.600 --> 01:45:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

1684
01:45:26.560 --> 01:45:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I just heard that sound. It sounded like some kind

1685
01:45:29.640 --> 01:45:32.600
<v Speaker 2>of tropical bird out there in the middle of the forest.

1686
01:45:33.039 --> 01:45:35.560
<v Speaker 2>And it was never when we walked in that area,

1687
01:45:36.039 --> 01:45:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Just like with me, as I would walk toward it,

1688
01:45:38.680 --> 01:45:41.960
<v Speaker 2>it would stop. You think you're just about you'd see

1689
01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:44.399
<v Speaker 2>the bush where you're hearing the sound coming from. Then

1690
01:45:44.439 --> 01:45:47.520
<v Speaker 2>it would stop, and then it would start fifty yards

1691
01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:50.399
<v Speaker 2>over at another bush and you'd walk up to that

1692
01:45:51.359 --> 01:45:53.079
<v Speaker 2>and he said it was just like that, and he said,

1693
01:45:53.159 --> 01:45:54.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to get the kids, so we're going

1694
01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:55.279
<v Speaker 2>to go back home.

1695
01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know what I think that's the best

1696
01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:01.640
<v Speaker 1>thing to do. I've experienced that in Oregon, out in

1697
01:46:01.640 --> 01:46:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the woods, where there was a young lady that was

1698
01:46:05.600 --> 01:46:09.880
<v Speaker 1>able to communicate with a fake bird noise that was

1699
01:46:09.960 --> 01:46:12.439
<v Speaker 1>coming out from the bushes, and it was trying to

1700
01:46:12.439 --> 01:46:16.159
<v Speaker 1>get at least heard to move further down the trail

1701
01:46:16.199 --> 01:46:19.600
<v Speaker 1>because it started slowly going away. And I've heard accounts

1702
01:46:19.640 --> 01:46:25.199
<v Speaker 1>where people have heard mimic people's voices or life beacon

1703
01:46:25.880 --> 01:46:28.640
<v Speaker 1>beeps from the woods. It's just it's wild, the mimicry

1704
01:46:29.159 --> 01:46:31.640
<v Speaker 1>to try to get someone to go to another area

1705
01:46:31.880 --> 01:46:33.319
<v Speaker 1>that's out there. It's crazy.

1706
01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is so these now some of those we

1707
01:46:39.720 --> 01:46:45.119
<v Speaker 2>have the legends of windowgoes. And since I've now run

1708
01:46:45.159 --> 01:46:47.359
<v Speaker 2>into Bigfoot, I have to say that I have to

1709
01:46:47.359 --> 01:46:49.840
<v Speaker 2>give credence to the other things that go bump in

1710
01:46:49.880 --> 01:46:52.800
<v Speaker 2>the night. As a matter of fact, I like to

1711
01:46:52.880 --> 01:46:54.359
<v Speaker 2>joke that I said, I don't want to say there's

1712
01:46:54.359 --> 01:46:56.760
<v Speaker 2>no such thing as leprechaunts, for fear that someone will

1713
01:46:56.760 --> 01:46:58.880
<v Speaker 2>come up and kick me in the shin. Yeah so

1714
01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:01.560
<v Speaker 2>I so there could be a lot more to this

1715
01:47:02.039 --> 01:47:04.159
<v Speaker 2>amazing world that we live in than we think.

1716
01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:21.760
<v Speaker 1>And hello, oh I think we lost him, Scott. Oh boy,

1717
01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:30.439
<v Speaker 1>it's not good. It's getting to the point where now

1718
01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:33.680
<v Speaker 1>calls are being shut down completely.

1719
01:47:48.119 --> 01:47:49.199
<v Speaker 2>I lost you apparently.

1720
01:47:49.319 --> 01:47:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Hey, that was weird. I've never had that one happen before.

1721
01:47:53.600 --> 01:47:55.520
<v Speaker 2>What happened? What point did you lose me in?

1722
01:47:56.000 --> 01:48:01.399
<v Speaker 1>We were talking about mimicry and thing that you've experienced

1723
01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:04.680
<v Speaker 1>out there. You talked about parakeets sounds, and then I

1724
01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:08.600
<v Speaker 1>had talked about stuff that I had heard. I think

1725
01:48:08.640 --> 01:48:09.640
<v Speaker 1>that was about it.

1726
01:48:11.199 --> 01:48:14.439
<v Speaker 2>Okay. I was talking about the metaphysical part. Did I

1727
01:48:14.479 --> 01:48:18.680
<v Speaker 2>get into that about the epic of Gomesh Not yet?

1728
01:48:19.039 --> 01:48:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's funny. Wow, you were talking about that and

1729
01:48:21.920 --> 01:48:26.600
<v Speaker 1>that's where it got shut down. Yeah, Oh my goodness, dude,

1730
01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:27.319
<v Speaker 1>that's wild.

1731
01:48:28.239 --> 01:48:32.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it. Okay, yepkay, Okay, there's that could

1732
01:48:32.199 --> 01:48:34.760
<v Speaker 2>be a point to all of this, you know, when

1733
01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:35.399
<v Speaker 2>you're ready.

1734
01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:38.560
<v Speaker 1>To record, Yeah, we're going You're good.

1735
01:48:38.920 --> 01:48:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay. The part that I wanted to get into

1736
01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:49.279
<v Speaker 2>is their metaphysical aspects. There about these things that defy

1737
01:48:50.079 --> 01:48:54.960
<v Speaker 2>biological movement. The lack of tracks. They seem to only

1738
01:48:55.000 --> 01:48:57.760
<v Speaker 2>be there when they want to be there, the sound,

1739
01:48:57.880 --> 01:48:59.800
<v Speaker 2>the fact that they don't make any sounds when they

1740
01:48:59.800 --> 01:49:02.720
<v Speaker 2>move through the woods. They seem to be in complete

1741
01:49:02.760 --> 01:49:07.119
<v Speaker 2>control of the environment, which is why I respect them

1742
01:49:07.159 --> 01:49:09.760
<v Speaker 2>so much and realize that even though I'm fully armed

1743
01:49:09.800 --> 01:49:13.520
<v Speaker 2>when I go in there, and I'm extremely well trained

1744
01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:16.399
<v Speaker 2>with firearms, one of the courses we had to go

1745
01:49:16.479 --> 01:49:18.640
<v Speaker 2>through was one where you could weren't allowed to use

1746
01:49:18.640 --> 01:49:21.479
<v Speaker 2>the sights on your guns to shoot, and you had

1747
01:49:21.520 --> 01:49:24.319
<v Speaker 2>to learn how to position your body reliably so that

1748
01:49:24.399 --> 01:49:26.960
<v Speaker 2>you could still hit your target without ever using your sights.

1749
01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:32.960
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm very good with a firearm, I'm very

1750
01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:35.520
<v Speaker 2>confident with it, but I know that I'm not in

1751
01:49:35.520 --> 01:49:42.000
<v Speaker 2>an environment where I could possibly engage these things on

1752
01:49:42.039 --> 01:49:45.279
<v Speaker 2>a fair footing. My gun is nothing more than a

1753
01:49:45.279 --> 01:49:49.479
<v Speaker 2>glorified security blanket, because these guys just seem to have

1754
01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:55.399
<v Speaker 2>such control of their environment, but they have senses beyond

1755
01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:57.279
<v Speaker 2>what we seem to be able to have. The fact

1756
01:49:57.319 --> 01:50:00.359
<v Speaker 2>that they seem to know who I am. Whether that's

1757
01:50:00.359 --> 01:50:03.279
<v Speaker 2>through sense or sight or whatever, I couldn't tell you,

1758
01:50:03.319 --> 01:50:06.000
<v Speaker 2>but they seem to know something about me, and they

1759
01:50:06.039 --> 01:50:10.239
<v Speaker 2>seem to know something about my character, which is important.

1760
01:50:10.359 --> 01:50:14.000
<v Speaker 2>They don't advertise themselves to people that will shoot at them.

1761
01:50:14.159 --> 01:50:18.239
<v Speaker 2>They seem to know by by observation of whatever kind,

1762
01:50:18.399 --> 01:50:21.039
<v Speaker 2>whether they can trust us enough to try to communicate

1763
01:50:21.159 --> 01:50:24.680
<v Speaker 2>or not. And so for bigfoot hunters that are out

1764
01:50:24.720 --> 01:50:28.279
<v Speaker 2>there with their elephant guns and whatnot, they'll be running

1765
01:50:28.359 --> 01:50:30.640
<v Speaker 2>up and down those fire broads all for the rest

1766
01:50:30.680 --> 01:50:33.720
<v Speaker 2>of their lives and never run into these guys. They're

1767
01:50:33.760 --> 01:50:39.319
<v Speaker 2>just fooling themselves, wasting their time. When but some people

1768
01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:44.000
<v Speaker 2>are just visited, and I actually believe there's a religious

1769
01:50:44.039 --> 01:50:48.399
<v Speaker 2>quality to them. I will refer to the epic of

1770
01:50:48.439 --> 01:50:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Gilgamesh in which they are discussing the uh. The in there,

1771
01:50:58.359 --> 01:51:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the wild man of the think of Gomesh, I think

1772
01:51:01.800 --> 01:51:06.359
<v Speaker 2>the name is a dukie or just trying to pull

1773
01:51:06.359 --> 01:51:10.279
<v Speaker 2>it off and douku or something like that. And uh.

1774
01:51:11.039 --> 01:51:14.479
<v Speaker 2>But when you look at the description in there that

1775
01:51:14.479 --> 01:51:18.880
<v Speaker 2>the gods made this thing, not God, the gods. And

1776
01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:21.880
<v Speaker 2>actually what's really interesting about it is if you break

1777
01:51:21.920 --> 01:51:25.560
<v Speaker 2>down the word of there, that the ending of the

1778
01:51:25.600 --> 01:51:33.119
<v Speaker 2>word means made by okay the andu it means that

1779
01:51:33.239 --> 01:51:38.159
<v Speaker 2>the means literally the lord of the heir, and in

1780
01:51:38.199 --> 01:51:41.239
<v Speaker 2>the Bible we refer to the Prince of the Air,

1781
01:51:41.279 --> 01:51:45.000
<v Speaker 2>which means it basically means the same thing, and which

1782
01:51:45.039 --> 01:51:48.279
<v Speaker 2>is a reference to satan. As. For want of a

1783
01:51:48.319 --> 01:51:51.680
<v Speaker 2>better description, I think that we're dealing with something that

1784
01:51:51.840 --> 01:51:55.239
<v Speaker 2>is not human in the sense that we recognize it,

1785
01:51:55.319 --> 01:51:58.960
<v Speaker 2>or not biological. That's how they're able to move through

1786
01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:02.800
<v Speaker 2>demension or whatever and go wherever they need to go

1787
01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:06.199
<v Speaker 2>and do whatever they need to do without worrying about

1788
01:52:06.279 --> 01:52:10.399
<v Speaker 2>us directly. But they seem to have certain limitations. We

1789
01:52:10.520 --> 01:52:14.439
<v Speaker 2>do run into them, and sometimes by complete accident. I've

1790
01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:17.239
<v Speaker 2>met a lot of people that have run into them,

1791
01:52:17.319 --> 01:52:19.279
<v Speaker 2>or have told me stories where they've run into them,

1792
01:52:19.319 --> 01:52:22.039
<v Speaker 2>where they've caught them unawares. I had a friend of

1793
01:52:22.079 --> 01:52:26.000
<v Speaker 2>mine that was out elk hunting, and he said he

1794
01:52:26.199 --> 01:52:29.560
<v Speaker 2>was scanning out across some fallen dead trees for a

1795
01:52:29.560 --> 01:52:31.840
<v Speaker 2>couple of hundred yards just to see if he could

1796
01:52:32.359 --> 01:52:34.479
<v Speaker 2>see anything, and all of a sudden, a movement caught him,

1797
01:52:35.159 --> 01:52:38.079
<v Speaker 2>and he said he realized that he was looking at

1798
01:52:39.760 --> 01:52:45.520
<v Speaker 2>a very hairy human shaped object that was bobbing up

1799
01:52:45.560 --> 01:52:48.399
<v Speaker 2>and down in the trees, just like it's bending up

1800
01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:51.680
<v Speaker 2>and down doing something he couldn't figure out what, and

1801
01:52:51.720 --> 01:52:53.800
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden it looks up and then

1802
01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:57.079
<v Speaker 2>it bobs down behind the tree and then completely disappears.

1803
01:52:57.119 --> 01:52:58.920
<v Speaker 2>He went over to the tree, and there was nothing

1804
01:53:00.239 --> 01:53:02.359
<v Speaker 2>happened to catch it while it was doing whatever it

1805
01:53:02.399 --> 01:53:06.800
<v Speaker 2>was doing, and then when it once it became aware

1806
01:53:06.840 --> 01:53:11.239
<v Speaker 2>of him and it disappeared. They just have fantastic abilities

1807
01:53:11.279 --> 01:53:14.079
<v Speaker 2>beyond what we are, and I'm sure they're very strong.

1808
01:53:14.720 --> 01:53:19.640
<v Speaker 2>That the difference between us and apes is that in

1809
01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:24.640
<v Speaker 2>terms of strength, is that standard human being without training

1810
01:53:25.039 --> 01:53:28.600
<v Speaker 2>can maybe lift his own body weight on the average. Okay,

1811
01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:32.399
<v Speaker 2>the very best trained of us. If you look at

1812
01:53:32.479 --> 01:53:35.279
<v Speaker 2>all of the weightlifting records done and you look at

1813
01:53:35.279 --> 01:53:38.319
<v Speaker 2>the body weight of the person that the maximum only

1814
01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:40.640
<v Speaker 2>seem to be able to achieve is being able to

1815
01:53:40.680 --> 01:53:45.520
<v Speaker 2>lift about three point one times our weight. Okay, it

1816
01:53:45.600 --> 01:53:47.960
<v Speaker 2>seems to be like the magic number that we can

1817
01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:50.279
<v Speaker 2>lift above our weight. I don't know if you're aware

1818
01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:54.840
<v Speaker 2>of this, but one university wanted to test chimpanzees to

1819
01:53:54.880 --> 01:53:57.359
<v Speaker 2>see how strong they were, and taught them how to

1820
01:53:57.439 --> 01:54:02.600
<v Speaker 2>lift weights without any training. The one hundred and sixty

1821
01:54:02.640 --> 01:54:07.680
<v Speaker 2>five pound chimpanzee pressed eight hundred and fifteen pounds.

1822
01:54:08.720 --> 01:54:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

1823
01:54:10.439 --> 01:54:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay that strength ratio. We humans seem to have gotten

1824
01:54:16.079 --> 01:54:18.640
<v Speaker 2>short into the stick when it comes to body strength

1825
01:54:18.760 --> 01:54:22.760
<v Speaker 2>per size. All the simians seem to have the ability

1826
01:54:22.760 --> 01:54:26.600
<v Speaker 2>to lift about five times their weight. Okay. Bears also

1827
01:54:26.680 --> 01:54:31.439
<v Speaker 2>are the same category. So that four hundred pound silverback,

1828
01:54:32.199 --> 01:54:34.760
<v Speaker 2>if he's lifting five times is weight. You don't want

1829
01:54:34.760 --> 01:54:38.279
<v Speaker 2>to mess with him. Okay. Can you imagine what an

1830
01:54:38.279 --> 01:54:40.039
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred pound squatch would do to you.

1831
01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:45.680
<v Speaker 1>I can definitely lift up things that are incredibly massive.

1832
01:54:46.479 --> 01:54:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So I just don't want to mess around

1833
01:54:50.800 --> 01:54:55.399
<v Speaker 2>with something. And you hear about their incredible rock throwing ability.

1834
01:54:55.560 --> 01:54:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I ran into a guy who another work friend of mine.

1835
01:54:58.560 --> 01:55:02.000
<v Speaker 2>He would just came in from Cambodia as a kid,

1836
01:55:03.319 --> 01:55:07.880
<v Speaker 2>and his family was fishing in California and they were

1837
01:55:07.920 --> 01:55:10.119
<v Speaker 2>out in the middle of the wood somewhere and he

1838
01:55:10.479 --> 01:55:13.279
<v Speaker 2>was bored and he's walking around, and he said, he's

1839
01:55:13.319 --> 01:55:15.199
<v Speaker 2>walking down this dirt road and all of a sudden,

1840
01:55:15.199 --> 01:55:18.520
<v Speaker 2>he sees what he thought was a dog carcass laying

1841
01:55:18.600 --> 01:55:21.319
<v Speaker 2>on the side. He said, a very hairy dog laying

1842
01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:25.039
<v Speaker 2>there on the side of the road, and so he

1843
01:55:25.159 --> 01:55:27.479
<v Speaker 2>just picks up a rock and he tosses it and

1844
01:55:27.479 --> 01:55:29.960
<v Speaker 2>he hits it. He says, all of a sudden, it

1845
01:55:30.079 --> 01:55:33.960
<v Speaker 2>stood up and walked up the hill. And now he

1846
01:55:34.279 --> 01:55:37.479
<v Speaker 2>never even knew something like that exists. He'd only been

1847
01:55:37.520 --> 01:55:41.399
<v Speaker 2>in America like six months, and he's watching this thing

1848
01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:45.439
<v Speaker 2>walk away. And he said, what really surprised him was

1849
01:55:45.439 --> 01:55:48.800
<v Speaker 2>when it walked up the hill, it walked as if

1850
01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:52.000
<v Speaker 2>it was walking on level ground. He said, you know

1851
01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:54.840
<v Speaker 2>how human beings, when you struggle up this hill, you

1852
01:55:54.920 --> 01:55:57.840
<v Speaker 2>have like careful lift up your feet. One on it,

1853
01:55:57.960 --> 01:56:03.880
<v Speaker 2>he said, it just seemed to completely ignore gravity and

1854
01:56:03.960 --> 01:56:05.880
<v Speaker 2>just walk up the hill as if it was nothing.

1855
01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:09.000
<v Speaker 2>And he said later on he goes back to his

1856
01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:13.720
<v Speaker 2>family who are fishing there, and they're packing up all

1857
01:56:13.760 --> 01:56:16.760
<v Speaker 2>of their stuff and they're getting out of there because

1858
01:56:16.800 --> 01:56:20.800
<v Speaker 2>they said some demon was throwing rocks at them, and

1859
01:56:20.840 --> 01:56:23.359
<v Speaker 2>they decided that they had to go away, and they

1860
01:56:23.399 --> 01:56:27.640
<v Speaker 2>went to a local Buddhist priest and had him bless

1861
01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:30.159
<v Speaker 2>them because they were afraid that a demon was messing

1862
01:56:30.199 --> 01:56:36.479
<v Speaker 2>with him. So I thought, that's just an interesting cultural

1863
01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:40.119
<v Speaker 2>and doctrination that they had are to our Bigfoot. It's

1864
01:56:40.199 --> 01:56:45.439
<v Speaker 2>just astounding what capabilities these things have, and I just

1865
01:56:45.479 --> 01:56:47.960
<v Speaker 2>think that when you have to deal with them, do

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<v Speaker 2>not think that you have the advantage because you have

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<v Speaker 2>a firearm. You are on their terms, okay, And that's

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<v Speaker 2>just a cautionary tale. They are capable of doing anything

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<v Speaker 2>they want to do and see to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>be in complete control of the environment. So I guess

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<v Speaker 2>the big reason why I take away of this is

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<v Speaker 2>that for those of that are listening to these Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>stories and thinking that they're dealing with some kind of

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01:57:13.960 --> 01:57:18.439
<v Speaker 2>ape man or whatever. No, you're dealing with something on

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01:57:18.479 --> 01:57:22.479
<v Speaker 2>a level that's so different from us what its capabilities are.

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<v Speaker 2>And you hear these stories about them being with UFOs

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<v Speaker 2>and all that, and I couldn't substantiate that, but willing

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<v Speaker 2>to accept that there's something going on beyond what we

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<v Speaker 2>are capable of. The question I have to ask myself

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<v Speaker 2>is why me? What is it? And my pastor because

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01:57:40.600 --> 01:57:44.640
<v Speaker 2>they selected us my son, they seem to like him,

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<v Speaker 2>although I'm not sure he quite is the same, has

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<v Speaker 2>the same level of response. He's very skeptical by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a biology teacher, likes to always apply science whenever possible,

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01:57:57.039 --> 01:58:01.039
<v Speaker 2>and doesn't like all that metaphysical stuff. But nonetheless, even

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01:58:01.079 --> 01:58:03.119
<v Speaker 2>he shakes his head and says, look, I just can't

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<v Speaker 2>explain this. So I'm going to say, and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to bring more people into it, because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't just want to do this by myself, and

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01:58:16.159 --> 01:58:18.479
<v Speaker 2>I would love to have other people witness it. But

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, sometimes people show up there and they're

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<v Speaker 2>not And the other problem I have, the risk is

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<v Speaker 2>that they are going to start dragging their friends over there,

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01:58:29.079 --> 01:58:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and pretty soon these guys will abandon that area because

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01:58:32.920 --> 01:58:35.720
<v Speaker 2>they just realize that they've been compromised.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a tricky thing because you want to find

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01:58:39.319 --> 01:58:44.119
<v Speaker 1>that middle ground of having someone help you out there,

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<v Speaker 1>but also almost limiting how many people get to the spot.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's a tricky road to walk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, but I just appreciate the life lessons that

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<v Speaker 2>I've gotten from them. I will say that the one

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01:59:00.840 --> 01:59:03.920
<v Speaker 2>thing they don't have is tool making ability that frontal

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01:59:03.960 --> 01:59:07.239
<v Speaker 2>low Berry, that where we get all of our tool

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01:59:07.680 --> 01:59:10.800
<v Speaker 2>capabilities from. They don't seem to have any desire in

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01:59:10.880 --> 01:59:14.239
<v Speaker 2>that whatsoever. They of course, what do they need. They

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01:59:14.279 --> 01:59:16.600
<v Speaker 2>don't need clothing, They have plenty of strength to deal

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01:59:16.640 --> 01:59:20.000
<v Speaker 2>with whatever they're dealing with, and they have apparently a

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01:59:20.039 --> 01:59:24.159
<v Speaker 2>fantastic array of senses beyond what we can do. For

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01:59:24.239 --> 01:59:26.920
<v Speaker 2>all I know, I get the impression they can see

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01:59:26.960 --> 01:59:27.479
<v Speaker 2>in for red.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, definitely, that's I would say that's probably one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent yes on that from what I've heard so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the fact that they're able to pretty much stay

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01:59:39.159 --> 01:59:43.199
<v Speaker 2>away from trail tams gives me that impression that they

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01:59:43.239 --> 01:59:46.560
<v Speaker 2>have at ability. I don't know what we're dealing with.

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01:59:46.600 --> 01:59:49.399
<v Speaker 2>I would love to be able to get more information,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll be out there next year trying to find

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<v Speaker 2>them again.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, definitely keep us up to date with

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<v Speaker 1>if things continue to happen in the future, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>able to go out to that area. We would love

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<v Speaker 1>to hear things continue to happen there for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure we'll give it an invite if you're ever out

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<v Speaker 2>washing and I'm me out see what I can do.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that, Scott, and thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>coming on to chat today and appreciate your time, and

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<v Speaker 1>we will definitely be in touch.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>You're at Bigfoot Society. Our goal is to provide a

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<v Speaker 1>platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their

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<v Speaker 1>encounter and a safe and respected environment. But we need

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<v Speaker 1>to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you

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<v Speaker 1>And I know a lot of you have not shared

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<v Speaker 1>your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's

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<v Speaker 1>time that you get this off your chest and then

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<v Speaker 1>you can get some well deserved for rest because I

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<v Speaker 1>know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the list.

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<v Speaker 1>These are all in Oregon, by the way, Oakridge, Dexter

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<v Speaker 1>Fall Creek, to Shoot National Forest Area, Cultis Lake, Spirit Lake,

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<v Speaker 1>Subtle Lake, Mackenzie River Area, Sweet Home Area, the area

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<v Speaker 1>west of Creater Lake, east of two thirty West Diamond

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Highway and north of sixty two Creater Lake Highway.

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