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Speaker 1: with the show. All right, Bigft Society got the privilege
Speaker 1: of talking to an individual today. His name is Scott,
Speaker 1: and I need to provide a little bit of background
Speaker 1: about Scott before we get going. Scott was an individual
Speaker 1: that reached out to me who is a retired US
Speaker 1: Air Force officer. You may hear some background interference on
Speaker 1: this call, which is okay. It started to happen quite frequently.
Speaker 1: Scott has provided his DD two and four form so
Speaker 1: that I can verify who he is, that he says
Speaker 1: he is. It's a privilege to have Scott on the
Speaker 1: show today, and we've got a lot of ground to
Speaker 1: cover about his interactions with Bigfoot over the years in
Speaker 1: different areas. But Scott, welcome to the show today.
Speaker 2: Yes, say you very much.
Speaker 1: We've already talked for quite a while, but Scott, I am.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to let you share what I already know.
Speaker 1: But there may be more to it too, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to go ahead and give things over to you.
Speaker 1: But we've already also stated that you are okay if
Speaker 1: I want to interject questions, then you're perfectly okay with that.
Speaker 1: Maybe more of a little interactive interview than some people
Speaker 1: are used to, But Scott, feel free to take us
Speaker 1: back to where we need to be when all this
Speaker 1: started to happen for you.
Speaker 2: All right, First, I would like to cover my background
Speaker 2: a little bit. I was with a combat unit called
Speaker 2: Combat Control, basically an air force version of the various
Speaker 2: special forces groups like Green Beret Rangers, Navy Seals. And
Speaker 2: the reason I interject this is just so that they
Speaker 2: understand that I know what it's like to have to
Speaker 2: move quietly through the woods. I know what it's like
Speaker 2: to have to observe things around me and to make
Speaker 2: sure that we're safe, that we're not running into any enemies,
Speaker 2: positions that we look for tracks, we look for disturbances,
Speaker 2: and I'm trained in that about as well as anybody
Speaker 2: else is. I just mentioned that because to show you
Speaker 2: my qualifications for that. First of all, the reason I
Speaker 2: wanted to give this story is more for people being
Speaker 2: able to understand a little bit about the nature what
Speaker 2: they're dealing with when they deal with bigfoot. I don't
Speaker 2: claim to be an expert on this or anything else,
Speaker 2: but I have dealt with them quite a bit over
Speaker 2: the years, and in my observations of them and my
Speaker 2: interactions with them, I've reached some interesting conclusions. First of all,
Speaker 2: I have to say up front, and this may sound
Speaker 2: strange to a lot of people, especially with the stories
Speaker 2: that have heard, that I've never actually seen them. I
Speaker 2: have seen the evidence they leave behind, but I have
Speaker 2: never seen them directly. I have heard them many times,
Speaker 2: and their ability to conceal themselves just absolutely astounds me.
Speaker 2: If our military could hide the way these things do,
Speaker 2: we would be just night and day ahead of any
Speaker 2: opposition that we could face. But these things are on
Speaker 2: a level beyond what human beings are just capable of.
Speaker 2: They can move through the dark quietly, without breaking a twig,
Speaker 2: without disturbing a thing at all. They just simply be
Speaker 2: able to show up next to you, and it's almost
Speaker 2: like their ghosts more than they are biological creatures. I
Speaker 2: having said that, I also want to talk about later
Speaker 2: in this discussion about how it is that these things
Speaker 2: are able to do what they're doing, and I guess
Speaker 2: I have to say it seems to be more on
Speaker 2: the line of supernatural rather than something that is biological.
Speaker 2: But I'll get into that a little bit further than
Speaker 2: the story.
Speaker 1: Absolutely think it would be important to if we could
Speaker 1: set the stage about I don't know how much into
Speaker 1: detail you can get where this area is, if it's
Speaker 1: a certain base or region, and what time frame of
Speaker 1: what years would be talking about.
Speaker 2: Okay, my interactions with them have basically been from around
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five until present. I had just retired from
Speaker 2: the military when it happened, and it's in basically Central Cascades, Washington,
Speaker 2: and I will not be any more specific than that,
Speaker 2: simply because in this interactions that I've had with them,
Speaker 2: I don't want somebody else running to that area and
Speaker 2: trying to interfere with them because I don't want to
Speaker 2: chase them off. Essentially, if a bunch of people start
Speaker 2: running out there and there's so few roads in that
Speaker 2: region that if I give too many details, there's enough
Speaker 2: hunters and campers and whatnot that would be able to
Speaker 2: put two and two together and figure out that where
Speaker 2: I was and start running around the area. So I'm
Speaker 2: sorry if I'm deliberately vague, but that's why I am.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think there's no problem with that at all. Scott,
Speaker 1: You're not the first to have to be vague for
Speaker 1: reasons like that, which are totally respected.
Speaker 2: Yes, First of all, I have to throw out the
Speaker 2: fact that I really was not a bigfoot believer. There
Speaker 2: were people that I have interacted with that have run
Speaker 2: into them. When I lived in Central Colorado, there was
Speaker 2: a woman that was just freaked out over an episode
Speaker 2: she had at a party out by a river at night,
Speaker 2: and she said the thing actually went across the river
Speaker 2: and everybody ran and jumped into their cars and tried
Speaker 2: to take off, and it literally picked up the back
Speaker 2: of their vehicle as they were trying to leave. The
Speaker 2: campsite and then dropped it and then the tires dug
Speaker 2: into the dirt and scdadle out of there. But she
Speaker 2: was just completely freaked out by this, just almost in tears.
Speaker 2: But that was the only time I actually interacted with
Speaker 2: somebody that claimed to have met them directly. The other
Speaker 2: stories that I heard is I was stationed at Fort
Speaker 2: Bragg for a while, and there's a creature out there
Speaker 2: called the Beast of Brag or sometimes referred to as
Speaker 2: a Manchester monster. Most of the stories that I heard
Speaker 2: were second hand stories from MPs that were out there
Speaker 2: in the area that claimed they knew people that had
Speaker 2: had interactions with these things. But iven, I guess so
Speaker 2: you called me an agnostic about them. I wasn't really
Speaker 2: concerned one way or the other. But that changed in
Speaker 2: ninety five when I had a pastor of mine. He
Speaker 2: took his son out fishing, and they went into this
Speaker 2: area and they set up a camp site, and then
Speaker 2: they broke camp very quickly. He was supposed to be
Speaker 2: out there for three days, but the first night the
Speaker 2: next day comes over and he calls me up. He said,
Speaker 2: I need you to come out and take a look
Speaker 2: at this. This is just there's something really weird out here,
Speaker 2: and he described that something had come out to his
Speaker 2: campsite in the middle of the night while it was
Speaker 2: raining and had gone through his camps and had actually
Speaker 2: touched the tent and stunked really bad, and he had
Speaker 2: to visit the campsite twice during the night. The next
Speaker 2: day he gets up and looks around and discovers a
Speaker 2: footprint and decided to come and get me because of
Speaker 2: my expertise in this field looking at human tracks moving,
Speaker 2: and that's when I got involved. Initially I went out there.
Speaker 2: It was a couple of days before we went out there,
Speaker 2: and I had I wasn't really sure what I was
Speaker 2: going to find. I figured that by that time the
Speaker 2: track would have been We'd get rained occasionally out here
Speaker 2: in Washington, and it had rained a couple of times,
Speaker 2: and I thought that we probably would just see like
Speaker 2: an impression rather than the track. But when we went
Speaker 2: to actually look at it, I was astounded at what
Speaker 2: I saw. I'm used to looking at tracks the line
Speaker 2: work that I was doing, and what I thought was
Speaker 2: really interesting about this track was that, besides its size,
Speaker 2: which was nineteen and a half inches long, and then
Speaker 2: it was at the ball of the foot, it was
Speaker 2: exactly six inches and at the heel was five and
Speaker 2: a quarter inches. But what I thought was very interesting
Speaker 2: about it was that there's a larger pad than the
Speaker 2: human foot normally has in the front where the ball
Speaker 2: of the foot is, and it's about six inches wide,
Speaker 2: and it's about four inches across, and it's just a kind.
Speaker 3: Of an oval pad that looks like that's way they
Speaker 3: normally can walk with their toes elevated and their heels
Speaker 3: elevated and just leave a little pad footprint, so you wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Necessarily see the full foot. You would just see this
Speaker 2: pad stepping down, and you could see a little rill
Speaker 2: of sand behind that pad, meaning that's where the weight
Speaker 2: pressure actually was distributed as it was lifting its foot off.
Speaker 2: And I could see that in the sand imprint, which
Speaker 2: was about two and a half inches deep, that the
Speaker 2: toes actually had been angled. They were able to articulate
Speaker 2: their toes at about a forty five degree angle, very
Speaker 2: difficult for a human being to do. And when they
Speaker 2: walk normally, they just keep their toes elevated and their
Speaker 2: heel elevated and just walk on that pad when they're
Speaker 2: trying to conceal their movement. Additionally to this, when I
Speaker 2: really closely examined the track, I could tell that it
Speaker 2: stepped on the pad of the foot by itself and
Speaker 2: never it was just the fact that when it stepped
Speaker 2: into the sand, it had left the entire imprint. I
Speaker 2: don't know if this was intentional or not. And I
Speaker 2: didn't find any other tracks for one hundred feet around it.
Speaker 2: That's really bizarre. I can't even imagine how that's done.
Speaker 2: But I looked everywhere in that vicinity for the rest
Speaker 2: of the track. It was as if it just deliberately
Speaker 2: made that one track just to leave a marker that
Speaker 2: it was there. And when I say this track was
Speaker 2: very interesting, upon really close examination, I found the epidermal
Speaker 2: ridges in the foot. I could it was so clear.
Speaker 2: I could actually identify if I were to have, say,
Speaker 2: five big foot in front of me, I could actually
Speaker 2: identify which one by the epidermal ridges on the bottom.
Speaker 2: Just absolutely This was so overwhelming to me. Then we
Speaker 2: also tried to establish how much creature weighed based on
Speaker 2: the track imprint. Now, when we stepped in the sand,
Speaker 2: it just made little tiny impressions, and that quickly filled
Speaker 2: in to where it was just like an elongated depression
Speaker 2: with no details. However, I was able to look at
Speaker 2: the jeep track that we came in on in the
Speaker 2: sand and then have something in which to calculate the
Speaker 2: basis of the weight on. All I could say is
Speaker 2: I don't know what the extreme weight that was, but
Speaker 2: it took at least one thousand pounds of force to
Speaker 2: make that track. Now, when you step on a scale,
Speaker 2: you will see it jump up all of a sudden
Speaker 2: because it's transferring the kinetic energy from the force of
Speaker 2: your foot coming down in addition to your weight. It
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean that it was one thousand pounds. It
Speaker 2: could have been say eight hundred pounds with twenty with
Speaker 2: two hundred pounds of kinetic energy added to it. So
Speaker 2: that changed my thing thinking about these things entirely. I
Speaker 2: now had something that you might call hard evidence to examine,
Speaker 2: and it clearly wasn't something manufactured by somebody like making
Speaker 2: like with a thousand pounds of force. And somebody that's
Speaker 2: obviously a trained pediatrist could to fake this thing. Would
Speaker 2: it would be just such an elaborate hoax to have
Speaker 2: to go through to convince somebody that there was a
Speaker 2: big foot around so anyway.
Speaker 1: Sorry, real quick? Were you able to try to make
Speaker 1: a cast of that footprint at all?
Speaker 2: But we didn't bring any materials with us for that because,
Speaker 2: like I said, I wasn't even sure it was going
Speaker 2: to be anything left. After we got there, a couple
Speaker 2: of days had gone by, but when we got to it,
Speaker 2: it was like it had just been made. So I
Speaker 2: don't know what, but I didn't even bother to think
Speaker 2: about to bring anything, and I knew nothing about making
Speaker 2: cast molds anyway, I suppose now and with the Internet
Speaker 2: and everything, you could figure it out pretty quick. But
Speaker 2: ninety five it really didn't quite think of those things
Speaker 2: that much. Sorry.
Speaker 1: Did you see any other things in that same area
Speaker 1: that were a little weird, maybe any bent trees or
Speaker 1: anything else that would make you think, oh, there was
Speaker 1: probably a big foot around here beside the track.
Speaker 2: That specific spot was, I guess you'd call it a
Speaker 2: sandy beach with the off of the stream. It was
Speaker 2: where the during the flood waters had washed a bunch
Speaker 2: of sand in next to the side of the stream.
Speaker 2: And there was not really any other branches per se,
Speaker 2: but and there was one other depressional track that was
Speaker 2: about similar, but it was almost two hundred feet away
Speaker 2: from the other one. I don't know if that was
Speaker 2: one of them, and it wasn't anywhere in the detail
Speaker 2: that it filled in with sand, but that was all
Speaker 2: I could find that I just I looked everywhere for
Speaker 2: some kind of clue and broken branches or anything that
Speaker 2: would give me an idea. And we spent the entire
Speaker 2: day going over that area.
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Speaker 2: So that wasn't like we just did a casual search.
Speaker 2: One other thing I'll mention on that is that one
Speaker 2: other time that I saw what I believed to be
Speaker 2: bigfoot tracks, we were walking down a fire break and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden I saw these impressions in the dirt.
Speaker 2: They weren't that clear, but it was clearly something very
Speaker 2: heavy had stepped there. And I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: ever had any mountain climbing experience, but when you climb
Speaker 2: a very snowy peak, you have to shove your feet
Speaker 2: as hard as you can into the embankment and then
Speaker 2: pressed down, and that kind of creates a little hole
Speaker 2: for you to step into so that you don't slide
Speaker 2: back down the embankment as you're climbing up it, And
Speaker 2: that's exactly the imprint that I saw on the embankment
Speaker 2: on this road. Something had shoved its feet hard into
Speaker 2: the side of the thing, creating a large hole much
Speaker 2: bigger than my foot, and had pressed down into it.
Speaker 2: And there were several steps bigger than I could reach
Speaker 2: up to each foot. But what was mysterious about it
Speaker 2: is that clearly it was going across this way, but
Speaker 2: there was a bunch of pine trees at the top
Speaker 2: of that embankment that were all full of dry branches
Speaker 2: that would have easily broken if anything had moved through them,
Speaker 2: and there was nothing. It's as if it walked to
Speaker 2: the top of the embankment and just disappeared while in
Speaker 2: mid step. I just don't know what to think of that.
Speaker 1: Have any of these This is a loaded question, so
Speaker 1: if you can't answer it, it's no problem. Have any
Speaker 1: of these locations upon your research also had other encounters
Speaker 1: happen in them? I mean other people, other people, Yeah, exactly, Okay.
Speaker 2: I dad did a search, and back in the day,
Speaker 2: Google Earth actually used to have a place you could
Speaker 2: in their field search look for bigfoot encounters. And so
Speaker 2: I put that in there, and it was one about
Speaker 2: five or six miles from the area, but that was
Speaker 2: the only one reported for thirty miles.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, it would there's a kind of a newer version
Speaker 1: of that now. You might want to check out if
Speaker 1: you go to bigfootmap dot com. It's a bigfoot mapping
Speaker 1: project and it might be interesting for you to take
Speaker 1: a look at those areas to see if there's new
Speaker 1: information in them now. But so, after you had these
Speaker 1: experiences with finding tracks in these areas, did that put
Speaker 1: you on a trail then to try to figure out
Speaker 1: what was going on with this bigfoot thing yourself?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, because now that I was convinced that there
Speaker 2: was something there, and I thought, okay, my first assumption,
Speaker 2: of course, was that we were dealing with some kind
Speaker 2: of unique monkey ape specie, although I will tell you
Speaker 2: definitively that looking at this track convinced me of something else.
Speaker 2: We're not dealing with apes. If you look at at
Speaker 2: a monkey's track, you clearly see the opposable thumb style
Speaker 2: as like deform hand on the bottom, and all apes
Speaker 2: have that capability that prehensile big dow and this was
Speaker 2: clearly like a human foot. It was much more like
Speaker 2: a human foot than any apes foot print. And this
Speaker 2: it had five toes. They were the same. We had
Speaker 2: a big toe and you had a little toe, and
Speaker 2: the others were intermediate in size. There was nothing except
Speaker 2: for the pad imprint, which if you're tracking people, and
Speaker 2: say certain African or Middle Eastern regions that don't use
Speaker 2: shoes at all, occasionally you will see that similar kind
Speaker 2: of print where people that are just not used to
Speaker 2: wearing shoes and used to walking around out of barefoot
Speaker 2: all of their lives have a similar not exactly the same,
Speaker 2: but somewhat. And so that was some takeaway that I have.
Speaker 2: I would say, whatever we're dealing with is far closer
Speaker 2: to human than anything else. Now, as far as the
Speaker 2: rest of my encounter, that's when we start sarted, camping
Speaker 2: out in the area and looking for this thing. At
Speaker 2: the time, my job was very flexible, so I could
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time out there in the woods,
Speaker 2: and my pastor, except when he was doing his sermon,
Speaker 2: he had free time, so we could go out there
Speaker 2: during the weekdays sometimes and camp out and see what
Speaker 2: was going on. So we did that a couple of
Speaker 2: days and nothing came to the campsite. But about the
Speaker 2: third time we went out there was my next greatest
Speaker 2: revelation about these things. We were sitting there waiting for
Speaker 2: the sun to set, and that about this time we
Speaker 2: were in the valley area, and I have to describe
Speaker 2: a little bit where we were situated on an abandoned
Speaker 2: logging road that had been probably left since the nineteen thirties,
Speaker 2: and there was a stream to one side of us,
Speaker 2: and then the mountain starts up at about a forty
Speaker 2: five degree angle. There's just a little wide spot that
Speaker 2: basically we can't to next to the stream, that's probably
Speaker 2: about maybe forty feet across, and we'd put our tents
Speaker 2: up in there. And so we had our tents set up,
Speaker 2: and we had a plastic table that we were sitting at,
Speaker 2: folding table, and we're just sitting there having a conversation
Speaker 2: while waiting for the night to come by. And I
Speaker 2: had been hearing this kind of knocking sound out in
Speaker 2: the woods that I just attributed to being like the
Speaker 2: wind blowing a couple of branches together or something like that.
Speaker 2: And my pastor looks at me and he said what
Speaker 2: I thought was the most ridiculous statement, He said, do
Speaker 2: you suppose they're out there trying to communicate with us? Now,
Speaker 2: at this point, I still thought that we were dealing
Speaker 2: with some just animal like similar to an EP of
Speaker 2: some time. And I said, ed, that's the strangest thing
Speaker 2: I've ever heard. Are you going to tell me that
Speaker 2: if I knocked on this table three times, it's going
Speaker 2: to answer? And for emphasis, I just went like that,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, the knocking stops, pauses
Speaker 2: for a couple of seconds, and then I hear three
Speaker 2: knocks come out of the wood, and I'm sure my
Speaker 2: eyes were as wide as my pastors. He was just
Speaker 2: a holy crap. So we then I went and I
Speaker 2: knocked on the table and I did two sets, and
Speaker 2: out of the woods came exactly the same thing, knock,
Speaker 2: And I was astounded. Now this thing was actually listening
Speaker 2: to us and trying to engage us in conversation. What
Speaker 2: happened over the next hour or so was us trying
Speaker 2: to communicate with this thing and it responding back. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it was just simply mimicking what we were doing, and
Speaker 2: then it tried to take us in a different direction.
Speaker 2: I am not trained in linguistics, in any capacity and
Speaker 2: could not figure out what it was trying to teach us.
Speaker 2: When you can't physically say hold up something like say
Speaker 2: an apple and say apple and then the other person
Speaker 2: understand what you're referring to, it's very difficult to create
Speaker 2: a conversational mode like that. But whatever it was very
Speaker 2: patiently messing with us in the sense of trying to
Speaker 2: create this interaction of some kind. Now eventually it lost interest.
Speaker 2: But there was something else that went on during this
Speaker 2: period of time. While it was engaging, I had my
Speaker 2: pastor knocking and whatnot, and I was trying to figure
Speaker 2: out where this thing was in the woods. It was
Speaker 2: up there on the mountain above us somewhere, but I
Speaker 2: didn't know how far away. So what I thought about
Speaker 2: doing was walking down the trail and kind of creating
Speaker 2: equilateral triangle and triangulate how far this distance was that
Speaker 2: this thing was communicating from us. And so I walked
Speaker 2: down the road listening to this knocking that my pastor
Speaker 2: was interacting it with. And as I walked down the trail,
Speaker 2: I figured out that it was about one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty feet from us, fifty yards up on this mountain.
Speaker 2: And while I'm there. Another rather bizarre thing happens. As
Speaker 2: I'm looking up on the mountain, I see some branches moving,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, I hear an interaction between
Speaker 2: it and another bigfoot. They're literally trying to talk to
Speaker 2: each other. And to my best guess of what was
Speaker 2: going on is one of them had heard all the
Speaker 2: ruckus going on and came over to find out what
Speaker 2: was going on, and the other guy says, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: talking to these humans. Leave me alone. Because the other
Speaker 2: guy then walked off and left him alone. And it's
Speaker 2: just the grunting that they make. And by the way,
Speaker 2: I forgot an earlier story to this one of my
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I have to get a little out of
Speaker 2: sequence in this. But when we first had this interaction,
Speaker 2: my first thought was that somebody was messing with us.
Speaker 2: And I had a forty four magnumum in my hips,
Speaker 2: so I felt like I was pretty well armed to
Speaker 2: deal with whatever I had to deal with. And so
Speaker 2: I told my pastor, I said, I'm going to go
Speaker 2: up there in the woods and figure out who's messing
Speaker 2: with us. And I walked up there, and as soon
Speaker 2: as my foot went into the woods, the brush area
Speaker 2: going up there. All of a sudden, I hear this
Speaker 2: oh sound that just throws me to death. I've heard
Speaker 2: that tigers they roar a people or other animals cause
Speaker 2: them to just freeze. It just overwhelms their central nervous
Speaker 2: system to the point that they can't move. They're paralyzed.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what this was like. I took that step
Speaker 2: and almost mid step, I was like frozen, and I said, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm not dealing with this so now. Then then we
Speaker 2: went back to doing the knocking sounds and everything, and
Speaker 2: then that's when I started my walkdown the trail to
Speaker 2: figure out how far away it was the same kind
Speaker 2: of grunts. And by the way, to describe this grunting,
Speaker 2: I would have to say, for the sake of your
Speaker 2: audience and their experiences, the closest thing I could describe
Speaker 2: it to is Chewbacca when he's doing that ah sound.
Speaker 2: It's like that, except it's shorter. It's only like about
Speaker 2: the first second or so as what you hear. It's
Speaker 2: not elongated that Chewbacca's style. But anyway showed me that
Speaker 2: there was at least more than one, and that they
Speaker 2: were up there watching us and trying to communicate with us,
Speaker 2: and later on we didn't try to engage them any
Speaker 2: further after that, except to say that later on that night,
Speaker 2: we were sleeping and I wake up and I'm just
Speaker 2: laying there quietly, listening to the area to see if
Speaker 2: there's anything moving around us or anything like that. But
Speaker 2: my pastor was sitting there next to me, snoring away.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, he rolls over and he stops snoring,
Speaker 2: and it grows quiet for a little bit, and then
Speaker 2: here it is. It's two in the morning, and I
Speaker 2: hear this. And this thing had been sitting out there
Speaker 2: in the woods waiting for us to wake up so
Speaker 2: it could start the conversation again. It was interested to
Speaker 2: communicate with us, trying to teach us. So I wake
Speaker 2: up and the only thing that I had next to
Speaker 2: me to tap on was my pastor brought his rifle
Speaker 2: and had it in a case, and had the rifle
Speaker 2: case sitting there, and I reached over and I started
Speaker 2: tapping on that, and we went on for another hour
Speaker 2: after that, tappen away. We didn't accomplish anything, but it
Speaker 2: did show that this thing was anxious to communicate with us,
Speaker 2: and that implies a degree of sension.
Speaker 1: I definitely agree that, yes, it does say it makes
Speaker 1: you think that there's some level of intelligence entirely. How
Speaker 1: far away would you say it was when it started
Speaker 1: tapping at around the early morning hours.
Speaker 2: It seemed to be about in the same spot. And
Speaker 2: I'm going to make a point about that spot that
Speaker 2: it was in and why it was in that spot
Speaker 2: here in a little bit. But yeah, I would say
Speaker 2: it's about fifty yards away from us.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, I would have to get The other thing I
Speaker 1: want to ask, is so you mentioned that you would
Speaker 1: hear these short Chewbacca grunts. Were there any other type
Speaker 1: sounds that you would hear them making as well?
Speaker 2: Later on I'll get into that how their very diverse
Speaker 2: vocal range is just amazing to me. But at that time,
Speaker 2: that was all I did, was expressing those kind of
Speaker 2: those grunts if and that's not even quite an accurate description,
Speaker 2: but I would call very short term growls, I guess
Speaker 2: would be a better way of describing. I love maps,
Speaker 2: and so I went back, and this is before Google Earth.
Speaker 2: I went back and pulled out maps of that particular region,
Speaker 2: and I looked at the oldest maps I could find,
Speaker 2: and then went through more modern maps and what not
Speaker 2: to see what kind of features are out there. Well,
Speaker 2: what I discovered was an old logging bro that was
Speaker 2: made near as I can tell, about the nineteen twenties
Speaker 2: or so, that had been completely abandoned and was not
Speaker 2: on modern maps.
Speaker 1: Big for society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: So I said, oh, that's just about the area where
Speaker 2: we heard the knocking from. So I go out there
Speaker 2: by myself, and I didn't bring a fire on, which
Speaker 2: was the only time I've ever been in the mountains,
Speaker 2: but didn't. But I just went out there and I thought,
Speaker 2: it's a nice day, I'll just go out there and
Speaker 2: I'll take a look and just verify whether this road
Speaker 2: is still there or not. So I went out, walked
Speaker 2: into the woods and found the road and it's not
Speaker 2: visible where the main road that connects into there. You
Speaker 2: can't find any sign of that anymore. It's completely gone.
Speaker 2: But once you walk further into the woods you can
Speaker 2: start to see where this trail starts to come up.
Speaker 2: It's all overgrown, there's trees in it. You could be
Speaker 2: standing in that road with an airplane flying over and
Speaker 2: you wouldn't see anything because it's completely tree covered now
Speaker 2: with all the trees going through it, but it was
Speaker 2: very clear that it was a game trail of some kind.
Speaker 2: The elk, the whatever else, deer, and possibly the bigfoot
Speaker 2: were running up and down this thing. And so I
Speaker 2: started walking along this trail and walking up with the
Speaker 2: map that I had trying to piece together where I
Speaker 2: was in connection with where my campsite had been, so
Speaker 2: that I could get an idea this was where this
Speaker 2: thing had been coming from. Sure Enough, I believe I
Speaker 2: went to the exact spot where this thing had been
Speaker 2: sitting in there because I could look over from that
Speaker 2: vantage point and see right down to the campsite. And
Speaker 2: so I said, this thing is walking quietly up and
Speaker 2: down this trail and is able to see everything that's
Speaker 2: going on in the area. And what I believe we
Speaker 2: were encountering was that when these bigfoot move as a group,
Speaker 2: I think they post at strategic locations to watch out
Speaker 2: and warn anybody coming out there that there's if they
Speaker 2: see some activity of humans coming in so that they
Speaker 2: can pass along. Hey, I think we might have some
Speaker 2: hunters or something like that, or hikers, and I believe
Speaker 2: they just were sitting out there using this as an
Speaker 2: observation point, like the military does. I think everything they
Speaker 2: do is very tactical. They just set things up the
Speaker 2: way that we would do if we were trying to
Speaker 2: move our families in a more or less tactical environment
Speaker 2: to avoid running into dangers. And so I think that
Speaker 2: spot where we just happened to park our tent was
Speaker 2: an outpost for them, and so as I. By the way,
Speaker 2: I had a bizarre story with this because I walk
Speaker 2: up the trail further and I was looking at the map,
Speaker 2: and I said, there's a switchback from the old logging
Speaker 2: trucks that went up here, and I thought I would
Speaker 2: just walk up to that just to make sure that
Speaker 2: it was still usable. And as I'm walking up to
Speaker 2: this site, something big. I'm just about to get to
Speaker 2: the switchback area and something huge runs off into the bushes,
Speaker 2: and I thought, okay, it could just be an elk,
Speaker 2: because we have plenty of those in the area. There's
Speaker 2: no shortage of elk at all. I run into them
Speaker 2: all the time out there. As I walked up to there,
Speaker 2: when you get up to a switchback, there's a place
Speaker 2: where the logging truck needs a wide area to make
Speaker 2: its turn. And that's all leveled out. And sure enough
Speaker 2: that was still there and pretty well cleared out, although bushy,
Speaker 2: but not no big trees or anything. And as I
Speaker 2: walk up to that area after hearing this thing run
Speaker 2: off into the brush, I didn't stand there, and I said,
Speaker 2: looking off into the brush aery, wondering what it was
Speaker 2: that I had just missed. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I hear something coming back through the brush and I
Speaker 2: can hear it smelling me that snorting sound of something
Speaker 2: drawing in through its nostrils. And I thought, okay, that's
Speaker 2: not an elk. They don't do that. And I thought, okay,
Speaker 2: I've run into a bear. I stood there, and this
Speaker 2: is how I was trained to deal with bears. Everybody
Speaker 2: has their own thing, but when I was a kid
Speaker 2: growing up in Wyoming in Colorado, this is what those
Speaker 2: people told me to do when I run into a bear,
Speaker 2: and they say, face whatever it is where this bear is.
Speaker 2: Don't look at them directly, because that's a challenge. You
Speaker 2: look to one side or the other, and that tells
Speaker 2: them that you're aware of their presence. But whatever, you
Speaker 2: don't look nervous, don't do anything showing excitement, just stand
Speaker 2: there casually, like you're relaxed, and because these animals read
Speaker 2: body language just like we do, and when it sits
Speaker 2: there and is evaluating whether you're a meal or not,
Speaker 2: it's going to say, Okay, he knows I'm here, he's
Speaker 2: not running away, and he doesn't seem to be concerned.
Speaker 2: Therefore he must have something with him that equalizes the situation,
Speaker 2: and that I might get hurt if I try to
Speaker 2: make a meal out of it. And I stood there
Speaker 2: patiently waiting. Also, the other thing they taught me was
Speaker 2: look for your exit route, and if you're dealing with bears,
Speaker 2: the run between trees that are too wide for it
Speaker 2: to or too close together for it to come through,
Speaker 2: because they can't make turns that easily. And so I
Speaker 2: took a glance down the road looking and counted, okay,
Speaker 2: three trees that were groups of trees where it was
Speaker 2: close enough for me to get through quickly without him
Speaker 2: being able to get through. So I had my accent
Speaker 2: route planned and so I just stood there, and eventually it,
Speaker 2: I guess, decided that wasn't worth its time, and it
Speaker 2: moved on. I started looking around to see why it
Speaker 2: was standing there in the first place, and there right
Speaker 2: at the edge of the switch was a tree where
Speaker 2: clearly it was a bear because the scratch marks were
Speaker 2: huge on it. They were I as I'm six foot
Speaker 2: one and as I stand, I can reach about eight
Speaker 2: foot even on if I was trying to reach, say
Speaker 2: an eight foot ceiling. And I went up to the
Speaker 2: track and I stood flat footed, and I raised my
Speaker 2: hand up as far high as I could go, and
Speaker 2: I was still about four and a half inches from
Speaker 2: the top of the tallest scratch marks. So I was
Speaker 2: dealing with something pretty big, whatever it was. So I said, Okay,
Speaker 2: I guess I'm lucky. I'm never going to go unarmed again.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I went and bought the
Speaker 2: largest handgun I could find at the time, which was
Speaker 2: a four to fifty four Kissol, and I've carried that
Speaker 2: with me ever since. But that was my story of
Speaker 2: that particular area where it made it its outpost. And
Speaker 2: I think they use that because as I'm walking up
Speaker 2: and down it, I could see that they were able.
Speaker 2: They would be able to walk up and down this
Speaker 2: and monitor that in entire area without being seen at all,
Speaker 2: and they would know if you just sat there quietly
Speaker 2: and watched, you could see any kind of human activity
Speaker 2: moving around you without you having to interact with them
Speaker 2: at all. And I think that's exactly what they do
Speaker 2: when they set their hunting territory out. They put these
Speaker 2: outposts out there and they look at things strategically, and
Speaker 2: then they when they move, they can move their families
Speaker 2: without fear of being intercepted by human beings. That's why
Speaker 2: we don't run into them very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think you're right. The Olympic Project in
Speaker 1: the western side of Washington, they found similar areas where
Speaker 1: they've found the nests. They've found almost outpost or areas
Speaker 1: up on the ridge where one of them could be
Speaker 1: watching everything that's going on and watching for intreaders that
Speaker 1: are coming in. So I think you're you're definitely on
Speaker 1: the right track with that. They have a question for
Speaker 1: you real quick, when you would go to this area
Speaker 1: or these areas, when you went back home, would you
Speaker 1: ever have any weird out of the ordinary things happen
Speaker 1: at home that may have been related to you going
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: No, I strangely enough, yeah, because I've heard of that phenomenon,
Speaker 2: but nothing like that. I'm in I live where my
Speaker 2: house is I'm out in the woods. I am. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you know what warehouser is, but it's
Speaker 2: a There are the people at cut trees and do
Speaker 2: the limp logging industry. I got three hundred miles of
Speaker 2: wilderness right next to me that belongs to them and
Speaker 2: the Forest Service. I got more to worry about with
Speaker 2: cougars and the black bear than I have with the
Speaker 2: two legged predators that I might runt it to. But nothing.
Speaker 2: I haven't had anything all and I find that amazing, actually,
Speaker 2: But no. I will say I had another encounter in
Speaker 2: a completely different area where my wife and I were
Speaker 2: going to go out, and I'll be happy to tell
Speaker 2: you this location. If anybody wants to verify my story,
Speaker 2: I'm more than happy to hear that. There's a town
Speaker 2: called Oakville. It's on Highway twelve. And my wife and
Speaker 2: I love camping, and she wanted to go out to
Speaker 2: the West Coast area, but wanted to do a back
Speaker 2: road kind of way of doing it too. We'll see
Speaker 2: if we could camp out and then end up heading
Speaker 2: out to the coast. So I look at one of
Speaker 2: the old maps in the area and I saw where
Speaker 2: there was some warehouse or property, and that it had
Speaker 2: access to a couple of streams, and so we could
Speaker 2: go out there and find us a camping spot. And
Speaker 2: there's a little town called it's not even a town really,
Speaker 2: it's called Brooklyn. It'll show up on the map, but
Speaker 2: there's really nothing there. It's like maybe a postal center
Speaker 2: or something like that. And that was our destination that
Speaker 2: we're going to go to the next morning. But we
Speaker 2: went in. We found an old logging road and we
Speaker 2: followed on it and I went to one of the
Speaker 2: places where it came down into the screen, and we
Speaker 2: set up a campsite for the night. And the next morning,
Speaker 2: just as it's turning light, I'm awoken to the sound
Speaker 2: of breaking branches right next to me. Now there was
Speaker 2: an old dead tree with just branches that were just
Speaker 2: as brittle as that just snapped with no pressure whatsoever.
Speaker 2: And apparently something big had hit this thing and crashed
Speaker 2: through it. So I assumed there was an elk that
Speaker 2: maybe had walked down and was startled by our campsite
Speaker 2: all of us, and then decided to run away or something.
Speaker 2: But I grabbed the gun and I get up and
Speaker 2: I start walking around and as I'm standing there looking
Speaker 2: at this tree. All of a sudden, I hear a snap,
Speaker 2: like a dry branch, and I look up in the
Speaker 2: direction where it was coming from, and there was a
Speaker 2: hill right next to us. It's about maybe twenty five
Speaker 2: feet high, but I couldn't I could see the trees
Speaker 2: on the top of the tops of these trees, but
Speaker 2: I couldn't see the base of them from my vantage point.
Speaker 2: And so I look up and I said, I wonder
Speaker 2: what that was. And then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 2: hear another snap. And then I hear about a minute
Speaker 2: later another snap. So I said, I'm going to go
Speaker 2: check this out. That seems strange. So I started walking
Speaker 2: up a game trail up the side very quietly, and
Speaker 2: I'm just about to get into view of the bottom
Speaker 2: part of this tree where this snap is coming from.
Speaker 2: And my wife just happened to cough at that moment,
Speaker 2: and she was still in the tent, and I asked,
Speaker 2: I heard her coughing, and I stopped for a second,
Speaker 2: and I wait, and then but the snapping didn't continue,
Speaker 2: and so I cautiously continued walking up the hill and
Speaker 2: there was nothing there, but there were these branches, some
Speaker 2: of them as high as nine feet that had been
Speaker 2: snapped off and were just laying there on the ground.
Speaker 2: Whatever it was had been just standing there lifting and
Speaker 2: grabbing these branches and snapping them off periodically, I assumed,
Speaker 2: just to get my attention. And there was no sign
Speaker 2: of anything around that I could find these broken branches
Speaker 2: laying on the ground. And upon examining these branches, they
Speaker 2: were snapped off at the base. Something had grabbed near
Speaker 2: the edge of the tree and broke the branches off.
Speaker 2: And I said, that's like a very human kind of thing,
Speaker 2: a very something. That's something very big, because I couldn't
Speaker 2: begin to reach some of these branches that had been
Speaker 2: snapped off.
Speaker 1: Big for society, who would be right back after these messages?
Speaker 2: And so I turned around and I went back and
Speaker 2: got my wife, and I said, man, there's something out here.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I start hearing this knocking sound out of the woods,
Speaker 2: and I would hear it like over in one direction,
Speaker 2: and then maybe thirty seconds later, I would hear a
Speaker 2: knock over in the opposite direction, and then another one
Speaker 2: later on. And this started to concern me a little bit.
Speaker 2: Whatever they were doing was really let me know that
Speaker 2: we're all around you and we're watching you. And so
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, I think we need to pack up
Speaker 2: and get out of here because I don't know what
Speaker 2: I'm dealing with here. So we got everything in the
Speaker 2: back in the truck and we took off. I would
Speaker 2: be curious, you know, if anybody had any experiences in
Speaker 2: that spot.
Speaker 1: Yes, looking at a map, it's really interesting because just
Speaker 1: the town of Oakville is right next to the Shehalis
Speaker 1: Reservation by the Shalis River, which is a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff happens in there, as most listeners will know. And
Speaker 1: then that Brooklyn area, there's not a lot out there. Definitely,
Speaker 1: there's just a random Bible camp out there. But other
Speaker 1: than that, yeah, it is, it's just nothing out there
Speaker 1: for the most part.
Speaker 2: Okay, I feel free to look out there and see
Speaker 2: anything because there's something and these guys, it made me
Speaker 2: wonder if maybe in some kind of communicational sense, they
Speaker 2: knew who I was. I don't think it's the same tribe,
Speaker 2: because I do think their tribe affiliate just like we are.
Speaker 2: I think they have different groups, but they and you
Speaker 2: don't know how one tribe will treat you versus another,
Speaker 2: just like in the old days of the West. Could
Speaker 2: you may find friendly Indians one place, that doesn't guarantee
Speaker 2: the next group is going to be that way. And
Speaker 2: so I think that I approach other groups with a
Speaker 2: great deal of caution. This particular group that I deal with,
Speaker 2: this tribe as it were, has its own clique, in
Speaker 2: its own way of doing things, and it seems to
Speaker 2: be more of the Harry and the Henderson's kind of
Speaker 2: kind of creatures than some of the other encounters that
Speaker 2: you might have. But I have true respect for these things.
Speaker 2: I don't think of them as friendly as per se.
Speaker 2: I think you could get hurt very easily if he's
Speaker 2: over step your boundaries.
Speaker 1: I agree there needs to definitely be a respect when
Speaker 1: you're if not only for Bigfoot, but also for the wilderness.
Speaker 1: You go out there, especially in the Pacific Northwest, and
Speaker 1: you don't get many chances be respectful. There are predators
Speaker 1: out there besides Bigfoot. Not saying it's a predator, but
Speaker 1: I do have a few questions I would like to
Speaker 1: ask you. If you can't answer these, feel free to decline,
Speaker 1: but I just want to ask them and see if
Speaker 1: they hit on anything. So, having your military background and
Speaker 1: back in the nineties and before, did you ever hear
Speaker 1: any stories about military bigfoot encounters in the Fort Lewis
Speaker 1: area of Washington.
Speaker 2: Very vague ones, nothing like I've heard a couple of
Speaker 2: soldiers talking about hearing something walking around in the woods,
Speaker 2: but nobody ever said, Hey, I saw bigfoot. I was
Speaker 2: actually very surprised at that, you would think. And I've
Speaker 2: camped a lot in the Fort Lewis areas myself in
Speaker 2: the military sense. We used to do the map and
Speaker 2: compass orienteering through all the swamps and all that stuff,
Speaker 2: and I thought I would have run into something, which
Speaker 2: is part of the reason I didn't believe in them,
Speaker 2: because I said, if anybody would have seen one, I
Speaker 2: would have. Because I'm in the areas where nobody else goes.
Speaker 2: We would always pick the very hardest spots you could
Speaker 2: find to navigate through, just for training purposes, and I thought,
Speaker 2: for sure, if there was something really out there, I
Speaker 2: would have run into it.
Speaker 1: But nothing interesting. Have you heard of any accounts where
Speaker 1: the military in the Pacific Northwest has killed a bigfoot,
Speaker 1: either first hand or second hand.
Speaker 2: I've only heard these stories about the Mount saying how insane.
Speaker 2: But that's not true. That's just through the media. I've
Speaker 2: never encountered anybody that had that had any kind of
Speaker 2: military related encounters with them.
Speaker 1: You bring up the Mount Saint Helen's topic there, and
Speaker 1: which I think is interesting because a lot of people
Speaker 1: will I constantly get emails about this every week where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I heard this, and I love when
Speaker 1: people send me that stuff, but it is a thing
Speaker 1: where I must I don't think that's ever been proven
Speaker 1: where the military took bigfoot out of the Mount Saint
Speaker 1: Helen's blast zone. Is that anything You've ever looked into
Speaker 1: yourself or.
Speaker 2: I've looked into it, and I think it's entirely possible
Speaker 2: something was killed out there, because I have no doubt
Speaker 2: that there was bigfoot in the urine. If they're anywhere,
Speaker 2: they're out there. That's remember that first encounter with the
Speaker 2: miners or whatever they were that were in the they
Speaker 2: were in the cabin that got attacked. That's not that
Speaker 2: far from where where my on hell and.
Speaker 1: Six Ape Canyon of nineteen twenty four, I believe, yeah, yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I've been to eight k
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever heard of that, Oh, okay,
Speaker 2: cool and it's but they got its name supposedly because
Speaker 2: that's where they believe they were staying. But I can't say,
Speaker 2: for any of my experiences I know anything about that spot. Interesting,
Speaker 2: but I've looked into some of these legends just trying
Speaker 2: to establish a pattern. I think these things are semi nomadic.
Speaker 2: I think that they move in a given region, but
Speaker 2: they don't want to overwhelm their food source, whatever that is.
Speaker 2: And so like in our previous conversation I discussed with
Speaker 2: how you could go to a park ranger and they
Speaker 2: could tell you where the grizzlies are because of the
Speaker 2: impact that they have on the ground. They tear things
Speaker 2: apart when they go through it. I think these things
Speaker 2: that they eat, it's very sustainable. They make sure that
Speaker 2: the game is not completely taken out of the area
Speaker 2: before they leave. They just take what they need and
Speaker 2: then they move to the next section and they have example,
Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons they have the particular
Speaker 2: movement pattern that they do has to do with blackberries
Speaker 2: not excuse me, huckleberries that we have out in this region,
Speaker 2: and they probably are using that as a food source.
Speaker 2: And therefore they plan their territorial movements around that. You know,
Speaker 2: But that's just a guess because I have no clue. Oh,
Speaker 2: I do have an interesting story about something that gives
Speaker 2: me something about how they interact with us. And there
Speaker 2: is a river, and I don't want to say its
Speaker 2: name because I would get a bunch of people running
Speaker 2: over to that area looking. But there's a river about
Speaker 2: four or five miles from the area, and we decided,
Speaker 2: my pastor and I decided to just look along this
Speaker 2: river and see if there was any sign of them
Speaker 2: out there. And it looked like a great spot because
Speaker 2: there was some muddy areas in there, and if they'd
Speaker 2: been walking along the river, they might have left tracks
Speaker 2: parked the car, and we started walking down this embankment,
Speaker 2: and we noticed that there was about one hundred yards
Speaker 2: further up the river was a campsite that somebody had
Speaker 2: a fairly large group of tents people that had just
Speaker 2: pulled out and set up their campsites, with kids and
Speaker 2: whatnot running around, And so we were walking away from
Speaker 2: them downstream and the part where the where some trees
Speaker 2: had fallen over from a flood when the glacier melts happened,
Speaker 2: and the snow melts. All of a sudden, these streams
Speaker 2: are all flooded out, created a barrier for us to
Speaker 2: have to get over. My pastor went over one side
Speaker 2: of it, and I tried to walk further down around
Speaker 2: the tree to see if it was easier to get
Speaker 2: over there, but he got across before I did, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he says, Scott, get over here.
Speaker 2: So I be through the brush and I get over
Speaker 2: there to him, and I said, what's up there? And
Speaker 2: he goes man. Just as I was crossing through there,
Speaker 2: I heard something squawk and then I heard something hit
Speaker 2: the ground. And at the same time I hear something
Speaker 2: hit the ground, the brush started moving like it was
Speaker 2: something was moving through it really fast, and I said, okay,
Speaker 2: the ground's pretty muddy here. We should be able to
Speaker 2: see something. So we walk over to it. And this
Speaker 2: mud was not wet mud. It was more like playto level.
Speaker 2: Were just like a perfect environment and for that for
Speaker 2: looking for tracks, and sure enough we find them. But
Speaker 2: what surprised me was that these look like kid tracks,
Speaker 2: say an eight year old. They didn't look any particular
Speaker 2: difference in track to what a human being would be
Speaker 2: And but what was we then looked for was this?
Speaker 2: He heard the like I said, He said, he heard
Speaker 2: something hit the ground like a thud. And I look
Speaker 2: around and there was a can of coke sitting there
Speaker 2: in the mud. And I pull it out and I
Speaker 2: look at it, and there is a row of teeth
Speaker 2: marks on it, little indentured teeth. And there's a couple
Speaker 2: of unusual things that I'll point out about this teeth marks.
Speaker 2: One is how the front of our teeth are thin
Speaker 2: and flat, okay, and then as I get toward the
Speaker 2: rear they have they widen out and become what we
Speaker 2: call molars. This this marking, this on this thing, And
Speaker 2: there was only one ring of kind of a rainbow
Speaker 2: shape of the teeth marks, I'm guessing the upper the
Speaker 2: lower jaw, but there was no molar marks on it.
Speaker 2: It looked like they were all flat teeth. And my
Speaker 2: mouth is I'm a fairly large guy, but my mouth
Speaker 2: is about two and a half inches across. These marks
Speaker 2: worth three and a half inches across from the base
Speaker 2: of the arc. And so my theory is that we
Speaker 2: had found a child bigfoot who had been watching the
Speaker 2: campsite and had stolen something from the campsite that it
Speaker 2: thought would be nice and was anxious to try some
Speaker 2: Coca Cola. I don't want to do an endorsement here,
Speaker 2: but it was trying getting ready to bite into the
Speaker 2: can when we surprised it and it ran off. By
Speaker 2: the way, my pastor died in twenty ten, and I
Speaker 2: tried to get that can back because he'd held onto that,
Speaker 2: and but by the time I thought about it and
Speaker 2: went over there to talk to the family about it,
Speaker 2: they had already tossed it. So I don't have that
Speaker 2: as anymore it is, But nonetheless it shows you that
Speaker 2: they watch us. They may steal something from our campsites,
Speaker 2: they clearly enjoy our food. And I've got another story
Speaker 2: about food, since we're on that track.
Speaker 1: Before before you go there, I just wanted to as
Speaker 1: an aside, your pastors sounded like he was a really
Speaker 1: cool guy, into some cool stuff besides the words, so
Speaker 1: it's a shame that he has already passed on.
Speaker 2: For sure, he was one of the best pastors I
Speaker 2: ever met. He could he was an absolute scholar in
Speaker 2: Greek and would try to teach me constantly so I
Speaker 2: could read the Bible in Greek. And I'm pretty rusty
Speaker 2: on it now, but he was, absolutely he was. He
Speaker 2: was a really gutsy guy. He actually was got his
Speaker 2: seminary over in Northern Ireland and was almost blown apart
Speaker 2: twice while doing his seminary there. Just he was basically fearless.
Speaker 2: He was also trained as a sniper in the army
Speaker 2: and one of the best shots I ever saw. I
Speaker 2: watched him from an unsupported bench position with his three
Speaker 2: hundred Winchester Magnum shoot a three quarter inch group at
Speaker 2: two hundred yards. I have never seen anybody do that before.
Speaker 2: So yeah, a very capable individual. Well i'll get into
Speaker 2: where my son gets involved, and by the way, I'll
Speaker 2: point something else out that's interesting. I have brought people
Speaker 2: with me to this spot before besides the pastor, and
Speaker 2: we would have no interactions whatsoever. It seems to me
Speaker 2: that these things either like you or they don't. How
Speaker 2: they make that determination, I have no idea, But if
Speaker 2: you don't pass monster, they don't have anything to do
Speaker 2: with you. I agree. I have found in my various
Speaker 2: listening to people of people that have been in that
Speaker 2: area before and had so off, never had anything happen.
Speaker 2: And these were people that were interested in me telling
Speaker 2: them where this thing was. I figured, if they're not
Speaker 2: getting interactions on their own while they're out there, then
Speaker 2: they clearly these bigfoot don't want to have anything to
Speaker 2: do with them. Now get into my son, and which
Speaker 2: was an interesting take. I have a son who's now
Speaker 2: considerably older. He's in his late thirties now. When he
Speaker 2: was a young man and starting to do this, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't even say man who was thirteen one the first
Speaker 2: time I drug him out in the woods so that
Speaker 2: he could encounter these things. He was kind of like, Dad,
Speaker 2: why are you doing this to me? Dragging me out
Speaker 2: in the woods for some stupid thing. And I was
Speaker 2: telling him about the tree knocking that they were doing.
Speaker 2: And I took him out to our campsite where we
Speaker 2: had the previous interaction, and I said, here's what's going
Speaker 2: to happen. You're going to knock, and if they're ready,
Speaker 2: you're going to hear a single knock come out of
Speaker 2: the woods. Okay. And what that tells you is they're
Speaker 2: saying to you, look, I heard you, and I will
Speaker 2: respond to you as I feel uncomfortable. Okay, So I said, now,
Speaker 2: just so we went out we knocked on the tree.
Speaker 1: Big for Society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: And I happened to be looking at him when at
Speaker 2: the time that this thing responded, and when it made
Speaker 2: it knock in the woods, all of a sudden, his
Speaker 2: eyes went wide and he was like, oh, maybe my dad,
Speaker 2: isn't it not after all? And I told him, Okay,
Speaker 2: we'll just give him a couple of minutes here until
Speaker 2: he checks everything out, and when he feels comfortable he'll respond.
Speaker 2: Pretty soon we heard knocking out of the woods, and
Speaker 2: it was from that same spot that I told you
Speaker 2: about earlier, and so he had been at another spot,
Speaker 2: heard the knocks and then said, okay, I'll see what's
Speaker 2: going on, went over check this out, and then started knocking.
Speaker 2: And then my son actually was able to interact with him.
Speaker 2: He was just going through musical training at that time,
Speaker 2: and so he was trying different patterns to see if
Speaker 2: he could engage it in the musical accompaniment. It didn't
Speaker 2: show any tendency in that at all. It just looked
Speaker 2: like it was just trying to straight communication, not trying
Speaker 2: to make music. Now, another thing I'll point out is
Speaker 2: that when I went to the spot where I was
Speaker 2: pretty certain it was communicating to us from the first time.
Speaker 2: When I went to that up that trail, I looked
Speaker 2: for signs where something had been beating on the trees
Speaker 2: in the area, and I couldn't find anything. I'm under
Speaker 2: the impression that it is maybe imitating this sound, not
Speaker 2: actually banging on a branch, but just making the sound
Speaker 2: like something banging on a brand on there. They seemed
Speaker 2: to be very vocally accomplished, and it's an interesting it's
Speaker 2: a theory. I can't say that that's exactly what's going on.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're bringing two branches with them and knocking them
Speaker 2: together and just and then not leaving them there when
Speaker 2: they go. I couldn't tell you, but they but I
Speaker 2: didn't see where they were actually at a spot just
Speaker 2: banging against a tree somewhere. There's another thing I'll point out.
Speaker 2: The one time my pastor and I climbed up this mountain.
Speaker 2: I remember I told you where the switch was. I
Speaker 2: took him up and I showed him where of the
Speaker 2: claw marks were in the on the side of the tree,
Speaker 2: and then we continued up the full way up at
Speaker 2: the top of the mountain, and we got up there
Speaker 2: and we didn't see anything particularly strange up there, but
Speaker 2: he said, let's go down this side. And I look
Speaker 2: at it and it was steep and it was tree covered.
Speaker 2: There was trees growing up, but it was at a
Speaker 2: very steep angle compared to what we were at before.
Speaker 2: And I said, Edd, are you sure you want to
Speaker 2: do this? This is that looks pretty dangerous and he says, ah,
Speaker 2: if it strikes me. The reason that if they're moving
Speaker 2: around here, they're going to pick the least likely area
Speaker 2: where we're going to be walking, so that they're not
Speaker 2: surprised by anything. And I said, I can't ultra logic,
Speaker 2: but okay, we'll go down. So we went down the
Speaker 2: side of this mountain and it was just like basically
Speaker 2: going from tree to tree, just grabbing a hold of
Speaker 2: it and holding on to it till I could get
Speaker 2: to another one. And just because because I was too
Speaker 2: afraid of falling down. What I found though that really
Speaker 2: got my attention. Well, there were these curious spots that
Speaker 2: were looked like where a tree had fallen over and
Speaker 2: had left the hollow. How the roots will bring up
Speaker 2: the dirt with it as it comes out, leave a
Speaker 2: little depression in there. What was strange about them is
Speaker 2: that were these depressions were fairly large, say fifteen feet across,
Speaker 2: twelve feet across somewhere in there, and they would they were,
Speaker 2: but they were padded down. They were like flattened, like
Speaker 2: something had gone and heavy and had had just pressed
Speaker 2: it all down till it was just really flat, and
Speaker 2: it looked like these were betting sites for them. They were.
Speaker 2: My guess is that when they were bringing their families through,
Speaker 2: they would go into this area so that was rather
Speaker 2: difficult to access, and they would bring their families in
Speaker 2: and make these betting sites on the sides of the
Speaker 2: mountain so that they could be in relative say of safety,
Speaker 2: and without fear of surprise because believing there was no
Speaker 2: way a human being was going to seek up on
Speaker 2: them with that, With that, that's steep angle. But that's
Speaker 2: just a theory. But it just looked too can they
Speaker 2: say manufactured to and clearly not done by human beings.
Speaker 2: That's just something we'll throw out as a way. I
Speaker 2: think that they moved when they travel, they just have
Speaker 2: these betting areas set aside safety and then they as
Speaker 2: they're moving along, they probably have those prepositioned so that
Speaker 2: they know there's some other place where there is a
Speaker 2: tactical spot where they can rest that they set up
Speaker 2: for the next camp when they move through the area.
Speaker 1: It definitely makes sense. It's I think it's a good theory.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can answer this one. But
Speaker 1: this area that you mentioned, is it one where it's
Speaker 1: pretty far out in the woods or would you have
Speaker 1: to worry about other humans potentially being there and causing issues.
Speaker 2: There are there are human beings all over the place
Speaker 2: out there, and there's hunters, there's campers, there's hikers or whatever,
Speaker 2: and those of that are familiar with the Central Cascade region.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I guess I'll allude to one
Speaker 2: other aspect of this. There was a period of time
Speaker 2: from the last encounter I had with them was twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: and the reason why things have I've had to drop
Speaker 2: it for a while was two reasons. One, I only
Speaker 2: go out there when I can find somebody to go
Speaker 2: with me, and it was very hard with my job
Speaker 2: to co ordinated time where I could have somebody else
Speaker 2: that was also off at the same time to go
Speaker 2: out there. But the big problem I ran into is
Speaker 2: from twenty nineteen to roughly about twenty twenty two. There
Speaker 2: were so many people out there trying to get rid
Speaker 2: of this thing, trying to get away from the town
Speaker 2: so that they were away from the restrictions of having
Speaker 2: to wear a mask all the time and whatnot. That
Speaker 2: they were just everywhere driving their dirt bikes and with
Speaker 2: their big packs of campsites and whatnot. And well, a
Speaker 2: couple of times we went out there, we were just astounded.
Speaker 2: I was seeing more people at one time than I
Speaker 2: saw prior ten years before that. It was just astounding
Speaker 2: to me. But it's gotten back to normal now, and
Speaker 2: I hope I have retired fully and I just had
Speaker 2: of the military, but out of work in general, and
Speaker 2: as soon as I can find somebody to go with me,
Speaker 2: it will start going out there again. By the way,
Speaker 2: the spot that i'm in, it's pretty much inaccessible during
Speaker 2: the wintertime unless you want to go in with country
Speaker 2: skis or something. But you'd have to go in for
Speaker 2: miles to get into that area because there's no roads
Speaker 2: out there that aren't just schemer Beihle. I'm really familiar
Speaker 2: with it from with their movement patterns from say about
Speaker 2: May until October, so I can't tell you what they
Speaker 2: do during the winter. I don't know. I think there
Speaker 2: is a very strategic region that they have that's set
Speaker 2: up for their winter campsite. And I have my theories
Speaker 2: and I can't get into it for this show because
Speaker 2: I would give away where they are. But there's a
Speaker 2: reason why they're in the spot they're in, and it's
Speaker 2: brilliant they are. Once I started figuring out what they
Speaker 2: were doing, I said, these guys don't just think tactically.
Speaker 2: They think strategically as well about where they are and
Speaker 2: where they are in relationship to us. That's part of
Speaker 2: the reason why they're able to inhabit without us running
Speaker 2: into them all the time. They have pretty planned everything
Speaker 2: to an incredible degree. Now, what happens, I believe is
Speaker 2: that sometimes, just like human beings, they make mistakes and
Speaker 2: they get out of their patterns for whatever reason. Maybe
Speaker 2: they're exploring, maybe they're the guys that are looking for
Speaker 2: new patterns, just for alternate roots in case their others
Speaker 2: position is compromised or whatever. But for once they get
Speaker 2: out of that established procedural place that they have, that's
Speaker 2: when they tend to make mistakes and they run into us.
Speaker 2: That's where we catch them. But when they have their
Speaker 2: movement phase with their families and whatnot, everything seems to
Speaker 2: be very organized to a military level, and they are
Speaker 2: able to move safely with their families most of the
Speaker 2: time without interacting with us at all. We're just not
Speaker 2: wise to their positions at all. Then to go into
Speaker 2: the next part of this, and that was their interactions
Speaker 2: with my wife and daughter. I married a Philippine. Matter
Speaker 2: of fact, my pastor married us back in two thousand
Speaker 2: and four. And I had told us Gal she was
Speaker 2: from the Philippines and brought her over here, and I
Speaker 2: told her about this, and she says, I really want
Speaker 2: to go camping. It's been my dream all my life
Speaker 2: to go camping, and Filipinos don't go camping. She lives
Speaker 2: in the most what do I say, the probably one
Speaker 2: of the most dangerous areas in the Philippines to live,
Speaker 2: which is Mendenau with the various terrorist groups and whatnot
Speaker 2: out there. And she said, if I had built a
Speaker 2: fire in the woods, i'd have ten guys with AK
Speaker 2: forty seven showing up in a heartbeat. We're trying to
Speaker 2: see what I'm doing. And she had never been camping,
Speaker 2: and when she said she wanted to go camping. I thought, okay,
Speaker 2: she doesn't really want to go in the woods. She
Speaker 2: wants to go out to some campsite somewhere. So I
Speaker 2: went to one of those paid campsite things and I
Speaker 2: brought out there and I said, well, what do you
Speaker 2: think of this? And she said, that's nice, but why
Speaker 2: are all these other people here? I want to go
Speaker 2: somewhere where there's nobody. And I said, okay, I can
Speaker 2: take it where. I told you about those bigfoot guys.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I'll throw something out. I haven't
Speaker 2: heard anybody mention this on your program before. But do
Speaker 2: you know the Philippines has their own bigfoot Ooh.
Speaker 1: No, Actually, can you say the name of it? I
Speaker 1: may have heard the name of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Capri. No, yeah, that's what it is. Now
Speaker 2: there's a very bizarre take to this very bizarre take.
Speaker 2: The way they always think if I say Capri to
Speaker 2: a Filipino they had an image will pop into their
Speaker 2: head and it is a picture of a very large,
Speaker 2: hairy man sitting underneath a h in the shade of
Speaker 2: a tree, smoking a cigar. And that's and if you
Speaker 2: type in Capri and put and then go to Google
Speaker 2: and push image. You're going to see those drawings of
Speaker 2: it sitting there and that and that's spelled with a K,
Speaker 2: by the way, not a C. And when my wife
Speaker 2: was raised, she was always told to look out for
Speaker 2: the red eyes in the trees and because that's because
Speaker 2: they have glowing red eyes apparently, and that she sa
Speaker 2: they would make the kids come in, just like we
Speaker 2: do with the Boogeyman. Don't let the Boogeyman get you,
Speaker 2: come on and when it gets start. Their boogeyman was
Speaker 2: a capri so she had no issues with that whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The next phase of the story, I'm going to get
Speaker 2: into that we talked about some of their communicational things.
Speaker 2: There's another thing that they do for communication, apparently, and
Speaker 2: that is a smell. People are always talking in your
Speaker 2: show about how you have this they have this stink, okay,
Speaker 2: But in my various interactions with them, I quickly grew
Speaker 2: to realize that that stink varies and there's different communicational
Speaker 2: aspects to it. And by the way, there's something that
Speaker 2: I've become so familiar with now in the time that
Speaker 2: I have that when I do encounter them and smell.
Speaker 2: That smell, there's a certain pheromone that they seem to
Speaker 2: have that, for want of a better description, it will
Speaker 2: always have a fishing oil. I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: ever smelled like cod liver oil or something like that.
Speaker 2: It has that kind of same fishing smell to it,
Speaker 2: but that's that underlying pheromone. The rest of the smell
Speaker 2: could change, okay, but there will be that still at
Speaker 2: that little faint pheromone smell, and I'll pick that up
Speaker 2: with my nose before I'll smell the rest of it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's by design or by they
Speaker 2: released a pheromone first and then the other scent or
Speaker 2: whatever's going on, but I've had several encounters with them
Speaker 2: where they've had completely different smells to them. And in
Speaker 2: that particular case we went out to I actually deliberately
Speaker 2: didn't want to camp in the same spot, but I
Speaker 2: camped on a stream about It was less than a mile,
Speaker 2: maybe about two thirds of a mile away, about a
Speaker 2: kilometer from the Bigfoot area, because I didn't want her
Speaker 2: to get overwhelmed with these things. But we went and
Speaker 2: she had a daughter that she brought with us, which
Speaker 2: I consider my daughter, and so they went camping their
Speaker 2: first time out by this stream, and it's very ideal,
Speaker 2: like the babbling brook and the pine trees and everything,
Speaker 2: and I thought this is great. As it was starting
Speaker 2: to get dark, there was a big patch of woods
Speaker 2: near us, and all of a sudden I caught that
Speaker 2: pheromone scent, and I said to her, I said, I
Speaker 2: don't want to arm you, but one of them is
Speaker 2: in the immediate area. I can I know, I can
Speaker 2: tell he's here, and he's just coming by to check
Speaker 2: us out, and I want you to come down with me,
Speaker 2: and we're going to interact with him a little bit.
Speaker 2: And so what I had done was I had bought
Speaker 2: a one of those little night vision monoculars, and I
Speaker 2: wanted a chance to see if I could see them
Speaker 2: with this, because now it's starting to come dusk and
Speaker 2: I could hopefully his eye shine off of the ir
Speaker 2: from the monocular. And so I walked down and I
Speaker 2: was armed, of course, with Trusty four fifty four, and
Speaker 2: we walked down the tree and waited, and sure enough,
Speaker 2: the smell started to get more and more, to the
Speaker 2: point that it was almost eyewatering. This thing. If I
Speaker 2: were to it's almost impossible to establish distance from smell,
Speaker 2: but it says, if it was like ten feet from
Speaker 2: us and I'm not seeing a thing. I'm looking all
Speaker 2: over through the woods with this monocular, turning back and
Speaker 2: forth and looking around, I'm not seeing a thing. But
Speaker 2: this smell was almost to the point that you could
Speaker 2: gag on it. And I said, how do you describe
Speaker 2: this smell? I said that to my wife, and she says,
Speaker 2: she's holding her nose, and she says, it smells like
Speaker 2: somebody's vomiting.
Speaker 1: Fish big for society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: And I said, oh, that's a pretty good description what
Speaker 2: I would call it. And so that was that's how
Speaker 2: I would described that encounter. And pretty soon we stood
Speaker 2: there and we waited, and I didn't know if it
Speaker 2: was going to interact with us in some way, But
Speaker 2: pretty soon the smell started to go down and then
Speaker 2: to where it faded into nothing, and I knew it
Speaker 2: moved away. Not a brainch was broken, not a movement
Speaker 2: of any kind, nothing developed eyeshine, just that overpowering smell,
Speaker 2: and I knew that he was just coming by to
Speaker 2: say hello, bringing somebody new for me to meet today,
Speaker 2: and then then once he was satisfied, he went on
Speaker 2: his way and never bothered with him again. My wife, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: had an bigfoot encounter. So whenever we go camping, which
Speaker 2: is frequent, and we do go in the area, but
Speaker 2: we stay usually three miles away from that spot, not
Speaker 2: that close to it, and they've never attempted to interact
Speaker 2: with us directly. I'll make one exception. One time she
Speaker 2: decided to invite some of her friends, a couple of
Speaker 2: few females that had never been camping in their lives either,
Speaker 2: and she said, why don't you come with us so
Speaker 2: you can see what that's like. So we went to
Speaker 2: a completely different spot several miles from there, probably like
Speaker 2: seven or eight miles as the crow flies, and we
Speaker 2: found another stream, and we set up camp and whatnot.
Speaker 2: We got food cooking and everything, and while we were
Speaker 2: sitting down to eat, I heard a sound which I
Speaker 2: at first I was thinking I was hearing a bullfrog
Speaker 2: because it was in the swampy area near the stream,
Speaker 2: that's not out of the question. But as I'm listening
Speaker 2: to it, I said, this doesn't quite sound right. And
Speaker 2: so when the meal ended, I and it wasn't. It
Speaker 2: was just like you here, and then you'd a little
Speaker 2: while later you'd hear another one, like about a minute apart.
Speaker 2: And so I then got up and I started just
Speaker 2: following the sounds. I would hear it every grunt, i'd
Speaker 2: just walk a little further out. And we were at
Speaker 2: our encampment in the woods, and as I was as
Speaker 2: we were camping, there was a clearing out near us
Speaker 2: where on the road that we came in, and I
Speaker 2: walked out there, and as I walk out, I then realize,
Speaker 2: because I get out in the clearing, I hear the
Speaker 2: grunt and I look in the direction and I realized
Speaker 2: it's from a bridge line about four hundred meters away,
Speaker 2: that's about a quarter mile. And I said, this thing
Speaker 2: was loud, but it apparently saw me at the time
Speaker 2: that it had when I stepped out of the woods,
Speaker 2: and that was the last time it grunted.
Speaker 4: And I know that must have been one of them,
Speaker 4: because I can't find anything that grunts lighted that loud.
Speaker 2: Not an elk, not a bear, nothing does anything quite
Speaker 2: like that. Apparently they interacted in the area quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Was that grunt similar to the Chewbacca type one you
Speaker 1: heard before?
Speaker 2: Too? Similar? By the way, you were getting digital there,
Speaker 2: just in case you couldn't tell the But it it
Speaker 2: was very similar, just louder. Must have been very loud
Speaker 2: because for it to carry that distance, but it wasn't
Speaker 2: very long. It was just sounded like that. That's the
Speaker 2: best I could do. And that doesn't sound like any particularly.
Speaker 2: Never heard of bears doing that particularly, and or elk
Speaker 2: or anything else that I could think of, And it
Speaker 2: musn't have been a very large animal to make that
Speaker 2: some kind of noise. Now, I also point out that
Speaker 2: one time when I was with Ed, we were camped
Speaker 2: out there and I actually had the opportunity to hear
Speaker 2: its voice in speaking. And I would happen to be awake,
Speaker 2: and I'm laying there just staring into the darkness in
Speaker 2: the tent, and all of a sudden, right next to
Speaker 2: the tent, like maybe just ten feed from it, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it starts talking. And I would love
Speaker 2: to be able to give you an idea what that
Speaker 2: sounded like, but I could not describe it. It's like nothing.
Speaker 2: It's so alien to what we're capable of doing. A
Speaker 2: squawking in a squealing sound that just it just said
Speaker 2: whatever it had to say, and then without making the sound,
Speaker 2: it went away. Now I didn't go out to go
Speaker 2: check it. I'm not to me. I may be a
Speaker 2: brave man in certain things, but to go out into
Speaker 2: complete darkness and to face something that big and potentially
Speaker 2: piss it off, no thanks. I'm just going to stay
Speaker 2: in the tent leave it alone.
Speaker 1: Were these actual words you were hearing or was it
Speaker 1: closer till the serials sounds?
Speaker 2: Well, just when the closest I could ever come to
Speaker 2: is maybe like hogs when they do that sound. But
Speaker 2: there was more to it than that. There were grunts
Speaker 2: and growls with that was a cacophony of different sounds.
Speaker 2: While that was going on, it was just too hard
Speaker 2: for our vocal cords to be able to coordinate, to
Speaker 2: be able to match. But I think he just wanted
Speaker 2: to say his peace and just let me know that
Speaker 2: we're there. I also would like to point out that
Speaker 2: they do like to have fun with us on occasion.
Speaker 2: They in a way, and I guess that when you're
Speaker 2: out there in the woods and your bored, you've got
Speaker 2: to do something to amuse yourself, and sometimes they do
Speaker 2: it at our expense.
Speaker 4: One of the things that happened was Ed was getting
Speaker 4: up in age and he having problems with his back.
Speaker 2: So his wife got him a nice cot to sit in,
Speaker 2: and so we put that cot in, but there wasn't
Speaker 2: much room in the tent, so it had it pressed
Speaker 2: up all against the side of the tent so that
Speaker 2: you could actually see the edge of the cot when
Speaker 2: you were outside of the tent, you could see that
Speaker 2: the ridge of it poking up against the side. And
Speaker 2: he all I know of it is that he fell
Speaker 2: on me in the middle of the night, off of
Speaker 2: his cot, and I said, Ed, what happened? What's going on?
Speaker 2: And he said, I just got knocked off by one
Speaker 2: of these big foot And said how did that happen?
Speaker 2: And he goes he gets up, and he says, I
Speaker 2: woke up and I could smell it, but I was
Speaker 2: so tired I started to lean back into my bunk,
Speaker 2: and it could see my movement because you can see
Speaker 2: the movement of the cot pressed against the thing. And
Speaker 2: so he got angered with the fact that I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to interact with him, so he hit the edge
Speaker 2: of the cot with his fist I'm assuming or maybe
Speaker 2: his foot and hit the edge of the cot on
Speaker 2: the tent and knocked the cot over and knocked him
Speaker 2: over on me. Just I guess he just got annoyed
Speaker 2: by the fact that we were going to ignore him,
Speaker 2: and so they'll interact with you in that manner. Another story,
Speaker 2: and I'll get into a couple of stories about my
Speaker 2: son and real quick. The second time that my son
Speaker 2: got interacted with them, we pull into the campsite area
Speaker 2: off this road this fire brake, and there was this
Speaker 2: huge bush. It's not there now, but at the time
Speaker 2: there was this massive bush that used to sit there
Speaker 2: and you couldn't see anything through it. You couldn't see
Speaker 2: a foot into this thing. It had so many leaves
Speaker 2: on it. And when I pull in with my vehicle,
Speaker 2: I got out and all of a sudden, I'm overwhelmed
Speaker 2: by the smell. I'm just as soon as I got
Speaker 2: out of the car, I just knew that something big
Speaker 2: was on the other side of that brand of those
Speaker 2: bushes and had been standing there and like just watching
Speaker 2: this coming in. And I could even describe perfectly the smell.
Speaker 2: It had that fishy odor to it, like tuna fish.
Speaker 2: And if you took macaroni and cheese and you put
Speaker 2: a little the tuna fish in there, and then you
Speaker 2: put it in a microwave and cooked it about a
Speaker 2: minute more than what it needed to have for it
Speaker 2: to be to where the point it was actually starting
Speaker 2: to burn. That would be the smell that you would get.
Speaker 2: And so I'm standing there and I'm smelling this almost
Speaker 2: my eyes are almost water and from the smell, and
Speaker 2: I'm concerned because I didn't want to do anything that
Speaker 2: would provoke it. And my son is right there. He's
Speaker 2: only thirteen. I'm concerned that he might be in danger.
Speaker 2: So we're just I said, just stay there, don't move,
Speaker 2: let it decide what it wants to do. And then
Speaker 2: pretty soon the smell started to scipitate, and I said, okay,
Speaker 2: I think he's left. So then I cautiously walked around
Speaker 2: the bush to the other side, and sure enough, there
Speaker 2: was no sign of anything around there, and I said, okay,
Speaker 2: I guess he's had his fun. So let's go build
Speaker 2: a cancer. Maybe i'll come back. Sure enough, we go
Speaker 2: and start setting up the tent, and as we're doing so,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, that smell returns and I'm looking around.
Speaker 2: I can't see anything. There's trees in there, and there's bushes,
Speaker 2: but still I could see a certain distance, like maybe
Speaker 2: thirty forty feet into the wooded area, but I'm not
Speaker 2: seeing a thing moving. But the smell was very overpowered,
Speaker 2: and so I look as I'm looking for it. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I hear there's deep like lurch in
Speaker 2: the Adams family, this deep voice go. And I look
Speaker 2: around and them don't think that's anything all I've ever
Speaker 2: heard before. I'm looking around in the trees and I'm
Speaker 2: looking everywhere. I don't see anything. And then I hear
Speaker 2: it repeat itself again. That's saying deep whoo who sound.
Speaker 2: And then pretty soon this started to scipitate again, and
Speaker 2: I said, I guess he's moved on, but he wanted
Speaker 2: to leave his mark. Now. Part of that encounter that
Speaker 2: we just had was with another experiment that I was
Speaker 2: having about its food. I was very curious what these
Speaker 2: things like to eat, and so I was also trying
Speaker 2: to cleverly come up with a way of getting hair
Speaker 2: for evidence, okay, to see what I could determine. So
Speaker 2: I came up with the idea of using contact paper
Speaker 2: like you use for shelves, and then sticking food on it,
Speaker 2: like apples and bananas and whatever else I could think of,
Speaker 2: and sticking it on the thing so it was like
Speaker 2: glued to the surface, and then laying it out flat,
Speaker 2: and the hopes that if it picked up the food,
Speaker 2: it would leave some hairs behind. One of the things
Speaker 2: that I did was I thought about giving it nuts,
Speaker 2: and so I putted some salted almonds down, flavored almonds,
Speaker 2: and I put them in a zip block bag and
Speaker 2: I stuck that to the thing with the bag closed.
Speaker 2: All right, then, what I had done that the week before,
Speaker 2: I brought my son out and I was coming back
Speaker 2: now to see what if anything that had touched. We
Speaker 2: then went when we finished our tent, we went into
Speaker 2: the woods to go look at this thing, and the
Speaker 2: found the thing, but it had been completely untouched except
Speaker 2: for one interesting thing, and that was the baggie had
Speaker 2: been emptied completely of all of the nuts, and the
Speaker 2: bag had been closed again. Something had actually closed that
Speaker 2: zip block bag with that dexterity, but there were no
Speaker 2: hairs on it or anything else. But I thought, how
Speaker 2: interesting that this thing was go out and would carefully
Speaker 2: open up a bag and apparently likes the nuts. And
Speaker 2: I'm actually going to surmise that that it was the
Speaker 2: salt that got it interested, because that's pretty hard to
Speaker 2: come by in the woods, and it probably liked that.
Speaker 2: But so now then I the next that was that evening,
Speaker 2: I left it out there again and it went back
Speaker 2: to the campsite. So we get up the next morning
Speaker 2: and go back out to the site, and I was
Speaker 2: going to pick it up and just bring it in
Speaker 2: with me, and because I figured they weren't interested in it,
Speaker 2: so I went to started to walk up to the
Speaker 2: site and all of a sudden I hit this smell
Speaker 2: at a wall of smell. That's all I could describe it.
Speaker 2: And when you look at at how chemicals sit in
Speaker 2: the air, the heavier the molecule, the less it travels.
Speaker 2: And so if I smell something really bad and very strong,
Speaker 2: and you ten feet from me don't smell it, yet,
Speaker 2: that tells me that's a very long, complex molecule that's
Speaker 2: hanging in the air. And to describe the smell, I
Speaker 2: would have to say it was had that same fishy
Speaker 2: odor to it that I always get, but this time
Speaker 2: it smelled like hot breaks, just if you'd had a
Speaker 2: semi slamming on the brakes and trying to burn out
Speaker 2: the brakes that had that same kind of smell, and
Speaker 2: I could smell this really bad, and I turned to him.
Speaker 2: I said, man, you can't getting this. He says, no,
Speaker 2: I don't smell anything. I said, oh, okay. But then
Speaker 2: it took about three more seconds for the smell to
Speaker 2: move over toward him to where he could get it,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, he starts gagging. And
Speaker 2: what that told me is that, hey, I don't want
Speaker 2: you here for whatever reason. I want you to go away.
Speaker 2: And I said, okay, to me, that's a warning sign.
Speaker 2: We're turning around. I'm not retreating the food. I'm just
Speaker 2: going to go back. So we just turn around and left.
Speaker 2: At that point, they are able to alter their smells.
Speaker 2: They have a wide variety of senses of smells. I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's I couldn't tell you whether it's
Speaker 2: an individual that's able to alter his smells or if
Speaker 2: those are individual smells of One guy smells like hot
Speaker 2: breaks all the time.
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Speaker 2: Another guy smells like macaroni and cheese with the or
Speaker 2: and another guy smells like rotted fish. I couldn't tell
Speaker 2: you or am I interacting with the same one all
Speaker 2: times and he's just giving me different smells. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I knew know there's more than one, but it
Speaker 2: will always have that accompanying kind of phishy odor to it.
Speaker 1: That's such a weird. I think that this is the
Speaker 1: first show where that detail has come out. It's very interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be keeping it in mind now. It brings
Speaker 1: up an interesting point, and that they can either change
Speaker 1: things about themselves, or they're affecting the way that we
Speaker 1: either hear them or smell them, or they're changing their
Speaker 1: smell and their sound themselves. It's very strange to think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, but I just think it's just yet
Speaker 2: another way they communicate with each other if they are
Speaker 2: under attack. And I get this all the time. I
Speaker 2: tell the story to work, friends and stuff, and everybody
Speaker 2: kids me all the time about being the bigfoot guy.
Speaker 2: But I always get these guys come up to me.
Speaker 2: Can I go with you? I'm going to bring this
Speaker 2: gun and I'm going to bring that gun and whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm like, stay away, buddy, I don't need you with me,
Speaker 2: because if we start shooting these things, we're not coming
Speaker 2: out alive. I doubt seriously they're ever alone completely. Maybe
Speaker 2: they say you might run into one of the expeditionary
Speaker 2: ones that's alone, but if I'm in that area, I
Speaker 2: know that they're not alone. And if we start shooting,
Speaker 2: we're not coming out. Because these things you've heard, their
Speaker 2: rock throwing abilities are just incredible, and they they've never
Speaker 2: thrown a rock at me, But that doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: I'm not aware that they're fully capable of that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Scott's I've heard accounts from a gentleman over
Speaker 1: by Packwood, Washington, where allegedly he ended up shooting one
Speaker 1: in the face, and then I want to say, the
Speaker 1: same guy later on they're in a different area nearby,
Speaker 1: but he ended up getting thrown down on the ground
Speaker 1: very very forcibly somehow. So there are definitely stories of
Speaker 1: if you mess around, you will find out that is
Speaker 1: the wrong thing to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I'm going to tell you a story that
Speaker 2: has I'm going to tell it because of the fact
Speaker 2: that it shows you how thorough I am and my
Speaker 2: investigations alludes to that. And I just don't make impulsive
Speaker 2: decisions on what I've encountered. I really try to think
Speaker 2: through it and make sure that I'm actually seeing what
Speaker 2: I'm seeing and not deceived in some way. In this
Speaker 2: particular case, it was one of the rare times that
Speaker 2: I went out by myself. And I'm also make a
Speaker 2: point of telling you that the reason that I never
Speaker 2: go out by myself on most occasions is that one
Speaker 2: it's just a good safety thing, but two, I always
Speaker 2: want to witness with me to when I encounter something.
Speaker 2: But in this particular case, I had went by myself,
Speaker 2: and I had just bought in a gun show these
Speaker 2: Russian mvgs, and I was anxious to try them out.
Speaker 2: So I go out and I set up my campsite
Speaker 2: at the same spot. I decided to cook myself a meal,
Speaker 2: and it was just starting to get dark, and as
Speaker 2: I'm cooking on the tailgate of the truck, I said,
Speaker 2: it's getting dark enough. I want to check out these
Speaker 2: mvgs to see if they really work. So I put
Speaker 2: the mvgs on and then I turned them on, and
Speaker 2: then I look off into the woods and I am
Speaker 2: seeing all of a sudden, these two glowing dots that
Speaker 2: look like eyes, and so I lift up the mvgs
Speaker 2: to see what I could see. Without them, and I
Speaker 2: don't see anything. I don't see any glowing dots or
Speaker 2: anything else. So I put the NBGS on and there
Speaker 2: it is. And not only that, it's not just standing there,
Speaker 2: it's moving. And I'm like freaking out because I'm thinking this,
Speaker 2: I'm seeing the eyeshine of of the ir and it's
Speaker 2: walking toward me. And then but it's silent. There's no
Speaker 2: sound whatsoever. And of course I'm near a stream and
Speaker 2: a fairly rapidly moving one, so there's you can't see
Speaker 2: extree except for maybe really loud snapping branches, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: hear much. But it actually, as I'm watching it, it
Speaker 2: actually moves silently right next to me, through the woods
Speaker 2: to my right and between me and the stream. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, when I just freaked me down so much,
Speaker 2: I just said, Okay, if they're able to move like that,
Speaker 2: I am not going to mess with them. And so
Speaker 2: I just packed up everything and I went back. I
Speaker 2: spent a long time thinking about it, and I drug
Speaker 2: a friend of mine out with me the next weekend,
Speaker 2: and I said, I need to determine whether or not
Speaker 2: I had really encountered one, or was there some other
Speaker 2: explanation for this. And I looked at the area and
Speaker 2: on the other side of the stream was another dirt road,
Speaker 2: and I thought, what if it was a vehicle coming
Speaker 2: down the road. But because of the fact that it
Speaker 2: was through the woods and it wasn't quite dark yet,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to see the headlights except with
Speaker 2: the MVGS. And so I did an experiment where I
Speaker 2: had him take a truck and go down the road
Speaker 2: without It was at a small angle, so you didn't
Speaker 2: have to give it the gas to get moving. You
Speaker 2: could actually coast down the road. And I said, I
Speaker 2: just want you to go up the road and come
Speaker 2: down again. I want to see if I could see
Speaker 2: her headlights. And he came down in the truck and
Speaker 2: I couldn't see him at all, and except when I
Speaker 2: put the MVGS on, and then I could see make
Speaker 2: out these headlights. I just I don't make statements rashly.
Speaker 2: I do check them out and as scientifically as I
Speaker 2: can to make a determination whether or not we're being
Speaker 2: whether whether it's something real or am I just making
Speaker 2: being fooled by just some other natural occurrence. So I
Speaker 2: have had other encounters with them with camping and what not.
Speaker 2: Occasionally when I camp put my wife, Like I said,
Speaker 2: she just doesn't she loves camping, she just doesn't want
Speaker 2: to have the bigfoot stomping around. Every now and then
Speaker 2: I'll wake up in the middle of the night and
Speaker 2: I'll catch that odor, and I know they're just okay,
Speaker 2: just checking out, making sure everything's okay. But they I
Speaker 2: think they understand her, and so out of respect for me,
Speaker 2: they don't really try to interfere with us that much,
Speaker 2: but I think they somehow know when I'm around. Now.
Speaker 2: The last story I've got was just before COVID hit.
Speaker 2: I went out with my son and it was the
Speaker 2: most interesting interaction I've ever had with them, because I
Speaker 2: didn't know they could do with what they had this
Speaker 2: capability about them. We parked our car and it was
Speaker 2: amazingly quiet in the area. There was hardly any traffic
Speaker 2: at all at that time off the main road, and
Speaker 2: so we parked our car and they decided to go
Speaker 2: for a walk, all right, And as we're walking around,
Speaker 2: I'm hearing this dog yapping and sounds like a Jack
Speaker 2: Russell terrier, who is the best I could describe it
Speaker 2: if you're interested, but it just was this concept. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: And as we're walking, I said, if the owner should
Speaker 2: have stopped this dog by now, but they haven't, they
Speaker 2: might be in trouble. So I listened for where the
Speaker 2: sound of this barking was coming from, and there was
Speaker 2: a road leading off in that direction, and my thought was,
Speaker 2: is that somebody that might have set a campsite up
Speaker 2: and that had leased their dog and maybe they were
Speaker 2: in trouble. Maybe the guy had a heart attack or
Speaker 2: something and the dog is just trying to get our
Speaker 2: attention for help or whatever. As we walked down the road,
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, it's definitely coming from down this little
Speaker 2: this off trail, so let's walk down there. So we
Speaker 2: walked down the road about maybe two hundred yards and
Speaker 2: all of a sudd the barking stops, and then something.
Speaker 2: There was some bushes off to our left and something
Speaker 2: big was moving through those brush. Now, that's nothing to
Speaker 2: get excited about, because, like I said, there's tons of
Speaker 2: elk and obviously bear and I have seen black bear
Speaker 2: running around their life, so that in itself meant nothing.
Speaker 2: But something really big was moving through about twenty yards
Speaker 2: of bushes right next to us, and you could just
Speaker 2: hear it shaking and whatnot, and cracking and whatnot. But
Speaker 2: what was the telling part about it was is that
Speaker 2: when the shaking stopped, then the dogs started barking. And
Speaker 2: now it was where the branches had started to stop shaking,
Speaker 2: where it had gone through the branches to the other
Speaker 2: side of this bushes, and then started barking again in
Speaker 2: a completely different area, now behind us. And so I said,
Speaker 2: all right, I don't know what's going on, but just
Speaker 2: stay behind me about twenty yards. Just keep me inside,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to go ahead and see if I
Speaker 2: can see this dog. So I started walking through this
Speaker 2: open area of woods. When I say open, it means
Speaker 2: it was brush free, but there were still plenty of trees.
Speaker 2: And as I'm walking, this thing was just staying out
Speaker 2: of sight. You'd hear it behind a tree, let's say,
Speaker 2: maybe twenty thirty yards away from you, and then just
Speaker 2: as you got up to the tree, it would all
Speaker 2: of a sudden be quiet, and then another thirty yards
Speaker 2: away would be another tree and you'd hear barking behind that.
Speaker 2: It's like, how is this happening? But it was clearly
Speaker 2: leading us around. And then as we were trying to
Speaker 2: follow it, and then finally it quit barking, and then
Speaker 2: it went to the across the road that we walked
Speaker 2: in on and then started barking from that side all
Speaker 2: the time without breaking a branch or moving a thing.
Speaker 2: It was just so bizarre, so I said, okay, clearly
Speaker 2: it's messing with us, so let's just go back about
Speaker 2: our business. So we got out. We just walked down
Speaker 2: the road a little further and we crossed this bridge
Speaker 2: and we were walking along and then all of the
Speaker 2: grunting sounds like, for want of a better description, i'd
Speaker 2: say it sounded just like chimpanzees that kind of that
Speaker 2: kind of grunting the sound that they make, and it's
Speaker 2: coming from underneath the bridge we just crossed. So I said, okay,
Speaker 2: let's see what's going on here. Let you walk on
Speaker 2: one side of the bridge and I'll walk on the other,
Speaker 2: and we'll see if we can see anything move out.
Speaker 2: So we walked up to the bridge and it stopped
Speaker 2: about it as we got about to say, twenty yards
Speaker 2: from the bridge, and so we tried to watch for movement,
Speaker 2: but we were not exactly the best angle to see it.
Speaker 2: But we walked up to the bridge and looked underneath.
Speaker 2: It was nothing there. So I said, man, these guys
Speaker 2: are just having fun with us. We went back to
Speaker 2: our campsite and we went the rest of the night.
Speaker 2: I kept thinking that they were going to show up
Speaker 2: or something at night, but nothing. But then the next
Speaker 2: morning I wake up and it's just starting to get daybreak,
Speaker 2: and I hear a bird. And as I'm trying to
Speaker 2: wake up, I listened to this bird, and then the
Speaker 2: dawns on me. I said, well, well, wait a minute.
Speaker 2: This isn't any bird. This is a something like some
Speaker 2: kind of tropical bird. There's a It sounds like what
Speaker 2: you'd expect to say, a tucn or one of those
Speaker 2: exotic parakeets in say Brazil to make nothing like you'd
Speaker 2: find in Washington or even in North America. And it
Speaker 2: was very elaborate, and I did take it and my
Speaker 2: cell phone. The problem I had was that when I
Speaker 2: got my new cell phone, I asked them to transfer
Speaker 2: all data and they I didn't realize until too late
Speaker 2: that they didn't translate the recording that I had. Sadly,
Speaker 2: I've been happy to have played that for you, but
Speaker 2: I had played it to other people and had and
Speaker 2: so they had heard it, so they said, yeah, that
Speaker 2: just sounds so bizarre. It had a rhythmic pattern to it,
Speaker 2: but it was very long. It was like an elaborate
Speaker 2: undulating pattern that was probably like probably about ten seconds
Speaker 2: before it repeated itself. Oh man. And yeah. So anyway,
Speaker 2: but now there's a little side story to that. I
Speaker 2: told one of my work friends about that, and so
Speaker 2: he goes camping, not in the exact same area, but
Speaker 2: near that area, but probably fifteen twenty miles as of proflies.
Speaker 2: But he brought his family in there, and he had
Speaker 2: told them specifically about this story that I said, And
Speaker 2: he said, as they were going through the woods out there,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he said, I know exactly what
Speaker 2: you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: I just heard that sound. It sounded like some kind
Speaker 2: of tropical bird out there in the middle of the forest.
Speaker 2: And it was never when we walked in that area,
Speaker 2: Just like with me, as I would walk toward it,
Speaker 2: it would stop. You think you're just about you'd see
Speaker 2: the bush where you're hearing the sound coming from. Then
Speaker 2: it would stop, and then it would start fifty yards
Speaker 2: over at another bush and you'd walk up to that
Speaker 2: and he said it was just like that, and he said,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to get the kids, so we're going
Speaker 2: to go back home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what I think that's the best
Speaker 1: thing to do. I've experienced that in Oregon, out in
Speaker 1: the woods, where there was a young lady that was
Speaker 1: able to communicate with a fake bird noise that was
Speaker 1: coming out from the bushes, and it was trying to
Speaker 1: get at least heard to move further down the trail
Speaker 1: because it started slowly going away. And I've heard accounts
Speaker 1: where people have heard mimic people's voices or life beacon
Speaker 1: beeps from the woods. It's just it's wild, the mimicry
Speaker 1: to try to get someone to go to another area
Speaker 1: that's out there. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so these now some of those we
Speaker 2: have the legends of windowgoes. And since I've now run
Speaker 2: into Bigfoot, I have to say that I have to
Speaker 2: give credence to the other things that go bump in
Speaker 2: the night. As a matter of fact, I like to
Speaker 2: joke that I said, I don't want to say there's
Speaker 2: no such thing as leprechaunts, for fear that someone will
Speaker 2: come up and kick me in the shin. Yeah so
Speaker 2: I so there could be a lot more to this
Speaker 2: amazing world that we live in than we think.
Speaker 1: And hello, oh I think we lost him, Scott. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: it's not good. It's getting to the point where now
Speaker 1: calls are being shut down completely.
Speaker 2: I lost you apparently.
Speaker 1: Hey, that was weird. I've never had that one happen before.
Speaker 2: What happened? What point did you lose me in?
Speaker 1: We were talking about mimicry and thing that you've experienced
Speaker 1: out there. You talked about parakeets sounds, and then I
Speaker 1: had talked about stuff that I had heard. I think
Speaker 1: that was about it.
Speaker 2: Okay. I was talking about the metaphysical part. Did I
Speaker 2: get into that about the epic of Gomesh Not yet?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's funny. Wow, you were talking about that and
Speaker 1: that's where it got shut down. Yeah, Oh my goodness, dude,
Speaker 1: that's wild.
Speaker 2: I don't get it. Okay, yepkay, Okay, there's that could
Speaker 2: be a point to all of this, you know, when
Speaker 2: you're ready.
Speaker 1: To record, Yeah, we're going You're good.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay. The part that I wanted to get into
Speaker 2: is their metaphysical aspects. There about these things that defy
Speaker 2: biological movement. The lack of tracks. They seem to only
Speaker 2: be there when they want to be there, the sound,
Speaker 2: the fact that they don't make any sounds when they
Speaker 2: move through the woods. They seem to be in complete
Speaker 2: control of the environment, which is why I respect them
Speaker 2: so much and realize that even though I'm fully armed
Speaker 2: when I go in there, and I'm extremely well trained
Speaker 2: with firearms, one of the courses we had to go
Speaker 2: through was one where you could weren't allowed to use
Speaker 2: the sights on your guns to shoot, and you had
Speaker 2: to learn how to position your body reliably so that
Speaker 2: you could still hit your target without ever using your sights.
Speaker 2: And so I'm very good with a firearm, I'm very
Speaker 2: confident with it, but I know that I'm not in
Speaker 2: an environment where I could possibly engage these things on
Speaker 2: a fair footing. My gun is nothing more than a
Speaker 2: glorified security blanket, because these guys just seem to have
Speaker 2: such control of their environment, but they have senses beyond
Speaker 2: what we seem to be able to have. The fact
Speaker 2: that they seem to know who I am. Whether that's
Speaker 2: through sense or sight or whatever, I couldn't tell you,
Speaker 2: but they seem to know something about me, and they
Speaker 2: seem to know something about my character, which is important.
Speaker 2: They don't advertise themselves to people that will shoot at them.
Speaker 2: They seem to know by by observation of whatever kind,
Speaker 2: whether they can trust us enough to try to communicate
Speaker 2: or not. And so for bigfoot hunters that are out
Speaker 2: there with their elephant guns and whatnot, they'll be running
Speaker 2: up and down those fire broads all for the rest
Speaker 2: of their lives and never run into these guys. They're
Speaker 2: just fooling themselves, wasting their time. When but some people
Speaker 2: are just visited, and I actually believe there's a religious
Speaker 2: quality to them. I will refer to the epic of
Speaker 2: Gilgamesh in which they are discussing the uh. The in there,
Speaker 2: the wild man of the think of Gomesh, I think
Speaker 2: the name is a dukie or just trying to pull
Speaker 2: it off and douku or something like that. And uh.
Speaker 2: But when you look at the description in there that
Speaker 2: the gods made this thing, not God, the gods. And
Speaker 2: actually what's really interesting about it is if you break
Speaker 2: down the word of there, that the ending of the
Speaker 2: word means made by okay the andu it means that
Speaker 2: the means literally the lord of the heir, and in
Speaker 2: the Bible we refer to the Prince of the Air,
Speaker 2: which means it basically means the same thing, and which
Speaker 2: is a reference to satan. As. For want of a
Speaker 2: better description, I think that we're dealing with something that
Speaker 2: is not human in the sense that we recognize it,
Speaker 2: or not biological. That's how they're able to move through
Speaker 2: demension or whatever and go wherever they need to go
Speaker 2: and do whatever they need to do without worrying about
Speaker 2: us directly. But they seem to have certain limitations. We
Speaker 2: do run into them, and sometimes by complete accident. I've
Speaker 2: met a lot of people that have run into them,
Speaker 2: or have told me stories where they've run into them,
Speaker 2: where they've caught them unawares. I had a friend of
Speaker 2: mine that was out elk hunting, and he said he
Speaker 2: was scanning out across some fallen dead trees for a
Speaker 2: couple of hundred yards just to see if he could
Speaker 2: see anything, and all of a sudden, a movement caught him,
Speaker 2: and he said he realized that he was looking at
Speaker 2: a very hairy human shaped object that was bobbing up
Speaker 2: and down in the trees, just like it's bending up
Speaker 2: and down doing something he couldn't figure out what, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden it looks up and then
Speaker 2: it bobs down behind the tree and then completely disappears.
Speaker 2: He went over to the tree, and there was nothing
Speaker 2: happened to catch it while it was doing whatever it
Speaker 2: was doing, and then when it once it became aware
Speaker 2: of him and it disappeared. They just have fantastic abilities
Speaker 2: beyond what we are, and I'm sure they're very strong.
Speaker 2: That the difference between us and apes is that in
Speaker 2: terms of strength, is that standard human being without training
Speaker 2: can maybe lift his own body weight on the average. Okay,
Speaker 2: the very best trained of us. If you look at
Speaker 2: all of the weightlifting records done and you look at
Speaker 2: the body weight of the person that the maximum only
Speaker 2: seem to be able to achieve is being able to
Speaker 2: lift about three point one times our weight. Okay, it
Speaker 2: seems to be like the magic number that we can
Speaker 2: lift above our weight. I don't know if you're aware
Speaker 2: of this, but one university wanted to test chimpanzees to
Speaker 2: see how strong they were, and taught them how to
Speaker 2: lift weights without any training. The one hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: five pound chimpanzee pressed eight hundred and fifteen pounds.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Okay that strength ratio. We humans seem to have gotten
Speaker 2: short into the stick when it comes to body strength
Speaker 2: per size. All the simians seem to have the ability
Speaker 2: to lift about five times their weight. Okay. Bears also
Speaker 2: are the same category. So that four hundred pound silverback,
Speaker 2: if he's lifting five times is weight. You don't want
Speaker 2: to mess with him. Okay. Can you imagine what an
Speaker 2: eight hundred pound squatch would do to you.
Speaker 1: I can definitely lift up things that are incredibly massive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I just don't want to mess around
Speaker 2: with something. And you hear about their incredible rock throwing ability.
Speaker 2: I ran into a guy who another work friend of mine.
Speaker 2: He would just came in from Cambodia as a kid,
Speaker 2: and his family was fishing in California and they were
Speaker 2: out in the middle of the wood somewhere and he
Speaker 2: was bored and he's walking around, and he said, he's
Speaker 2: walking down this dirt road and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: he sees what he thought was a dog carcass laying
Speaker 2: on the side. He said, a very hairy dog laying
Speaker 2: there on the side of the road, and so he
Speaker 2: just picks up a rock and he tosses it and
Speaker 2: he hits it. He says, all of a sudden, it
Speaker 2: stood up and walked up the hill. And now he
Speaker 2: never even knew something like that exists. He'd only been
Speaker 2: in America like six months, and he's watching this thing
Speaker 2: walk away. And he said, what really surprised him was
Speaker 2: when it walked up the hill, it walked as if
Speaker 2: it was walking on level ground. He said, you know
Speaker 2: how human beings, when you struggle up this hill, you
Speaker 2: have like careful lift up your feet. One on it,
Speaker 2: he said, it just seemed to completely ignore gravity and
Speaker 2: just walk up the hill as if it was nothing.
Speaker 2: And he said later on he goes back to his
Speaker 2: family who are fishing there, and they're packing up all
Speaker 2: of their stuff and they're getting out of there because
Speaker 2: they said some demon was throwing rocks at them, and
Speaker 2: they decided that they had to go away, and they
Speaker 2: went to a local Buddhist priest and had him bless
Speaker 2: them because they were afraid that a demon was messing
Speaker 2: with him. So I thought, that's just an interesting cultural
Speaker 2: and doctrination that they had are to our Bigfoot. It's
Speaker 2: just astounding what capabilities these things have, and I just
Speaker 2: think that when you have to deal with them, do
Speaker 2: not think that you have the advantage because you have
Speaker 2: a firearm. You are on their terms, okay, And that's
Speaker 2: just a cautionary tale. They are capable of doing anything
Speaker 2: they want to do and see to be able to
Speaker 2: be in complete control of the environment. So I guess
Speaker 2: the big reason why I take away of this is
Speaker 2: that for those of that are listening to these Bigfoot
Speaker 2: stories and thinking that they're dealing with some kind of
Speaker 2: ape man or whatever. No, you're dealing with something on
Speaker 2: a level that's so different from us what its capabilities are.
Speaker 2: And you hear these stories about them being with UFOs
Speaker 2: and all that, and I couldn't substantiate that, but willing
Speaker 2: to accept that there's something going on beyond what we
Speaker 2: are capable of. The question I have to ask myself
Speaker 2: is why me? What is it? And my pastor because
Speaker 2: they selected us my son, they seem to like him,
Speaker 2: although I'm not sure he quite is the same, has
Speaker 2: the same level of response. He's very skeptical by the way.
Speaker 2: He's a biology teacher, likes to always apply science whenever possible,
Speaker 2: and doesn't like all that metaphysical stuff. But nonetheless, even
Speaker 2: he shakes his head and says, look, I just can't
Speaker 2: explain this. So I'm going to say, and I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would like to bring more people into it, because
Speaker 2: I don't just want to do this by myself, and
Speaker 2: I would love to have other people witness it. But
Speaker 2: like I said, sometimes people show up there and they're
Speaker 2: not And the other problem I have, the risk is
Speaker 2: that they are going to start dragging their friends over there,
Speaker 2: and pretty soon these guys will abandon that area because
Speaker 2: they just realize that they've been compromised.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tricky thing because you want to find
Speaker 1: that middle ground of having someone help you out there,
Speaker 1: but also almost limiting how many people get to the spot.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a tricky road to walk.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but I just appreciate the life lessons that
Speaker 2: I've gotten from them. I will say that the one
Speaker 2: thing they don't have is tool making ability that frontal
Speaker 2: low Berry, that where we get all of our tool
Speaker 2: capabilities from. They don't seem to have any desire in
Speaker 2: that whatsoever. They of course, what do they need. They
Speaker 2: don't need clothing, They have plenty of strength to deal
Speaker 2: with whatever they're dealing with, and they have apparently a
Speaker 2: fantastic array of senses beyond what we can do. For
Speaker 2: all I know, I get the impression they can see
Speaker 2: in for red.
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, that's I would say that's probably one hundred
Speaker 1: percent yes on that from what I've heard so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact that they're able to pretty much stay
Speaker 2: away from trail tams gives me that impression that they
Speaker 2: have at ability. I don't know what we're dealing with.
Speaker 2: I would love to be able to get more information,
Speaker 2: and I'll be out there next year trying to find
Speaker 2: them again.
Speaker 1: I would say, definitely keep us up to date with
Speaker 1: if things continue to happen in the future, when you're
Speaker 1: able to go out to that area. We would love
Speaker 1: to hear things continue to happen there for sure.
Speaker 2: Sure we'll give it an invite if you're ever out
Speaker 2: washing and I'm me out see what I can do.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Scott, and thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming on to chat today and appreciate your time, and
Speaker 1: we will definitely be in touch.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you very much.
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