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Speaker 1: everyone a happy Friday, and I hope you have some
Speaker 1: great plans going on this week. A bit of a
Speaker 1: sommer note. Bring Sarah Herringer, a bit Sarah Heringer back
Speaker 1: into the studio. And I'm sure everybody in my listening
Speaker 1: audience is familiar with the name. She is a widow
Speaker 1: thanks to a guy named Mordecai Black who cut off
Speaker 1: his ankle monitor. He was out on parole. He was
Speaker 1: out wandering about for months, no indication that law enforcement
Speaker 1: had any idea at all that he had cut off
Speaker 1: his ankle monitor. And he broke into their home, Patrick
Speaker 1: Herringer and Sarah Herringer's home and over the rhine where
Speaker 1: they have had a business, and stabbed Patrick Herringer to
Speaker 1: death right in front of his wife Sarah, and Patrick
Speaker 1: died saving his wife's life. Sarah Herringer, the widow, is
Speaker 1: in studio to talk about what she's trying to do,
Speaker 1: and that's bring about some sanity here in the state
Speaker 1: of Ohio. Like real time monitoring of ankle monitors. Sarah,
Speaker 1: it's good to have you back in the studio.
Speaker 2: Thanks, it's good to be here.
Speaker 1: I wish you didn't have to be famous for the
Speaker 1: reasons you are famous now, but I'm glad to see
Speaker 1: that you're spreading the word and knowledge and information is
Speaker 1: really powerful. I had a caller earlier in the program
Speaker 1: who suggested, you know, oh, we have these ankle monitor
Speaker 1: programs because it just all makes us feel like something's
Speaker 1: being done. Well, he's got an ankle monitor, and naturally
Speaker 1: the authorities are monitoring it, and he's defined. He's confined
Speaker 1: to a certain place, like the confines of his home
Speaker 1: and maybe the place where he works, that's all. And
Speaker 1: if he goes out of those areas, some alarm are
Speaker 1: going to go off somewhere. Law enforcement's going to be notified,
Speaker 1: and they're going to go after him and try to
Speaker 1: pick him up. That makes sense, and that's what we
Speaker 1: are led to believe. This is how the system works,
Speaker 1: is it not?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I mean, I am one of the people who
Speaker 2: found out that ankle monitors do not monitor in real time,
Speaker 2: and that currently when you disable one, it also doesn't
Speaker 2: trigger any kind of alarm.
Speaker 1: That in and of itself is hard to believe.
Speaker 2: Yes, as soon as I found out, I likened it
Speaker 2: to Jurassic Park when the fences go off, and I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, and the I mean, the thing is is,
Speaker 2: obviously we do not know that. The people who put
Speaker 2: ankle monitors on know that. And the unfortunate thing is
Speaker 2: all of the criminals, the felons wearing the ankle monitors
Speaker 2: are the ones who know that they don't work in
Speaker 2: track in real time.
Speaker 1: So you anticipated my next question, is this word gotten
Speaker 1: out already? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everyone knows that. I mean, they all
Speaker 2: know that. And it's another example of where optics over
Speaker 2: true outcomes. It's like, what's the entire what's the purpose?
Speaker 2: Why would you put an ankle monitor on to begin
Speaker 2: with if it's that ineffective?
Speaker 1: Well exactly, And you know, I considering your case and
Speaker 1: what we all now are aware of thanks to you
Speaker 1: bringing this to everybody's attention, they're not monitoring them, and
Speaker 1: the powers that be are aware that that's knowing not
Speaker 1: going on. One of the defendants in that you'll I
Speaker 1: beat down was in front of a judge yesterday and
Speaker 1: told that she had to be where she had to
Speaker 1: wear an ankle monitor. He lowered her bond from two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars down to twenty five thousand dollars to
Speaker 1: ten percent twenty five hundred dollars bond, but she has
Speaker 1: to wear an electronic monitoring device. And Fox nineteen reported
Speaker 1: that the judge warned her attorney that if she tampered
Speaker 1: with her ankle monitor in any way, she would provoke
Speaker 1: her bond and she'd be locked up in jener until
Speaker 1: the case went to trial. Well that's fine, that's all
Speaker 1: well and good, but the judge also knows that tampering
Speaker 1: with an ankle monitor or removing it is not going
Speaker 1: to result in alarm going off.
Speaker 2: Correct, So it's just a threat that they put out
Speaker 2: there in order to do their due diligence. Hey, there
Speaker 2: are consequences if you do that, but there has to
Speaker 2: be the thing has to be effective in order for
Speaker 2: it to work outside. I mean, at this point, we
Speaker 2: already know that these are people who don't follow the
Speaker 2: law and don't do what they're told.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, demonstrably. So this sad thing. And I've expressed
Speaker 1: outright anger over finding this out again as a consequence
Speaker 1: of your work since learned that. Back in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: the Ohio House passed by a ninety two to one
Speaker 1: vote a requirement that real time monitoring of ankle bracelets. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was passed. No, I mean bipartisanship doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: You have something that almost one hundredercent passed and it
Speaker 1: went over to the Senate committee and it died there.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we uh, Cindy Abrams, she's looking into that
Speaker 2: because it's why did it die there, you know, and
Speaker 2: asking the individuals that are named and listed, what was
Speaker 2: the point of that? But it's it is it's enraging
Speaker 2: to find out that there is an entire group of
Speaker 2: lawmakers that have all decided. And this entire thing came
Speaker 2: about because of the Reagan Tooks case, which I don't
Speaker 2: know if you're familiar with, well you wrote about it, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Ryan's Goldsby wore z ankle monitor the night he kidnapped, raped,
Speaker 1: and murdered Reagan Toaks. This isn't from Serrenga's online letters.
Speaker 1: She wrote about this. He didn't need to cut it off.
Speaker 1: He knew no one was watching in real time his
Speaker 1: GPS trails showed every move, but that was only reviewed
Speaker 1: after she was shot dead after being raped and kidnapped.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they have it right there, it's right there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and her mother did so much work to get the
Speaker 2: bill to or the act, you know, to that point
Speaker 2: where it passes, the governor signs off on it, it
Speaker 2: goes to the Senate committee and they just outright said no,
Speaker 2: and then it doesn't go you know, to a larger
Speaker 2: vote in order to be passed into law. And I
Speaker 2: tell me why that would make sense on you know
Speaker 2: what level? There's money available.
Speaker 1: Well, there's money available, and there are literally lives at
Speaker 1: stake here. I mean, you cited several different other illustrations
Speaker 1: beyond your own personal experience and losing your husband because
Speaker 1: of this, that it's happened before, and it may have
Speaker 1: happened a whole bunch more than you even are aware of.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That that is one thing I've been looking into,
Speaker 2: and it's actually it's it's very hard to find information
Speaker 2: of how many people have had ankle monitors on and
Speaker 2: committed crimes or they've popped them, you know, they've disabled
Speaker 2: them or removed them in some way, and they've created
Speaker 2: they've reoffended Uh, that's information that I haven't really been
Speaker 2: able to get a hold of yet. I think that
Speaker 2: would be really great job for the media and investigating
Speaker 2: journalism to maybe to start building this case and showing
Speaker 2: people right there as the information comes out. It's it's
Speaker 2: all things that we don't know, but we absolutely should
Speaker 2: so we can get behind something and make it make
Speaker 2: a change.
Speaker 1: Well a change benefit's literally everyone, yes, anybody and lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, going back to your very profound point, it's
Speaker 1: almost like stating the obvious, but it's worthy were repeating.
Speaker 1: These people have already demonstrated they will not follow the law.
Speaker 1: They have committed crimes which have brought them to prison
Speaker 1: resulting in probation and ankle monitoring or placed on bond
Speaker 1: for having committed a heinous crime. They have to be
Speaker 1: held accountable. They've demonstrated that they don't care.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, I think another thing to look at too
Speaker 2: is how many of them reoffend or continue to break parole.
Speaker 2: When it comes to Mordecai Black, he'd spent nineteen of
Speaker 2: his last twenty years incarcerated, and that was because every
Speaker 2: time he was out he reoffended, oftentimes breaking the parole
Speaker 2: that he was on. And that's also information that we
Speaker 2: really should be taking into account, that judges should absolutely
Speaker 2: be taking into account is how many times is this
Speaker 2: person offended?
Speaker 1: Without question? Yeah, and if they've demonstrated a willingness to
Speaker 1: violate parole, then maybe you don't let them out right, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's the justice system.
Speaker 2: If you can't play nice, Yeah, then you can all
Speaker 2: go play with each other in a place called prison.
Speaker 1: Phrasing. I do like that, Sarah, Thank you for that
Speaker 1: little bit of levity, at least as I interpreted it. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, so we will go ahead and name names,
Speaker 1: considering we have the list of senators on the Senate
Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee who let this thing die. Chairman Nathan H. Manning,
Speaker 1: Republican Republican, Michelle Reynolds, Vice Chair, Louis Blessing, Republican, Republican,
Speaker 1: Al Katrona, Republican Teresa Gavroni, Democrats Paula Hicks Hudson, and
Speaker 1: Democrat Ken Smith. So you had a bipartisan group of
Speaker 1: folks who let this thing die. It's not going to
Speaker 1: happen again.
Speaker 2: No, I cannot imagine it will. I'll be working with
Speaker 2: Cindy Abrams and plan on addressing the Senate myself and
Speaker 2: have them look me in the eye and tell me
Speaker 2: that it is not worth passing.
Speaker 1: I love that. And what we were talking about is
Speaker 1: the Patrick Herringer Act, which will require everyone to be
Speaker 1: real time monitored, and that's going to be addressed, I
Speaker 1: guess in the fall session, and we will definitely see
Speaker 1: that it gets passed. I know my morning show listeners
Speaker 1: will be more than happy to contact their elected officials
Speaker 1: to make it happen and not let it die in
Speaker 1: the Senate. Let me ask out loud. But as we'll
Speaker 1: move into a break, perhaps this has something to do
Speaker 1: with money. Do we have enough money to do this?
Speaker 1: Do we know what it's going to cost to hire
Speaker 1: people to follow it? I think it's a worthy expenditure,
Speaker 1: considering all of our lives are at least theoretically at stake.
Speaker 1: Here ask Sarah. It's a fifteen right now. If you
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Speaker 1: Eighteen fifty five kri ceed he talk station, try to
Speaker 1: make it a happy Friday. Take Rick Green's message and
Speaker 1: run with it. Rick Green from Spirit Works Ministries on
Speaker 1: the program earlier, talking about the movie that was made
Speaker 1: about his life. It's just spreading a real inspirational message
Speaker 1: and hopefully we can draw some inspiration for my guest
Speaker 1: in studio, the return of Sarah Herringer lost her husband
Speaker 1: in that terrible, terrible stabbing in their apartment over the Rhine.
Speaker 1: I'm going back to the Patrick Herringer Act, which ken
Speaker 1: we're going to get past this fall. It would require
Speaker 1: real time monitoring, actually, someone literally paying attention to folks
Speaker 1: out there on ankle monitors so they can't cut them off,
Speaker 1: so they can't, you know, wander around for months before
Speaker 1: committing their next crime. Is this is and again the
Speaker 1: idea that this was passed overwhelmingly in the Ohio House
Speaker 1: only to die in the Senate committee. Do you know
Speaker 1: whether this was a money issue, Sarah, I means like, no,
Speaker 1: we can't do that. That's going to cost us'll have
Speaker 1: a taxpayer too much money.
Speaker 2: I would assume it had to come down to a
Speaker 2: dollar amount. Why else would it be rejected when when
Speaker 2: it comes to right kind of thing.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm angry about it, I can't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be Switzerland neutrality here and trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what would stop this from happening, and you know,
Speaker 1: one might say, well, we really don't have the technology
Speaker 1: to do this real time, and I would throw a
Speaker 1: BS flag on that.
Speaker 2: You might do the technology exists, we do have it,
Speaker 2: you know. And the other part of it too is
Speaker 2: also the and part of the act is having the
Speaker 2: the alerts go to the local police departments right and
Speaker 2: have them notified. It's it's not even enough that it's like, well,
Speaker 2: when when this happens, when the acle monitor you know,
Speaker 2: the notification, where does it go, who's monitoring it, what
Speaker 2: happens to it, who's responding, And there just needs to
Speaker 2: be a faster and more you know, urgency behind the
Speaker 2: apprehension of someone who's done this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about like an Amber alert? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: if a child goes missing, you get an Amber alert
Speaker 1: almost immediately as soon as the authorities are made aware.
Speaker 1: They've got a central system that sends out the messages, right.
Speaker 2: And about that, and they also they treat you know,
Speaker 2: different felons differently. To my understanding, I've been speaking with
Speaker 2: some of the local police officers here, and when it
Speaker 2: comes to sex offenders, they get notified immediately for that, thankfully, thankfully, Yes,
Speaker 2: And there can't just be you know, like this one's
Speaker 2: worse than all of the others, so you know there
Speaker 2: should be it's in it. But it shows again that
Speaker 2: there is already a system and technology in place for
Speaker 2: a certain type of criminal, for a certain type of alert.
Speaker 2: So why wouldn't we just put that across the board
Speaker 2: with anyone wearing an ankle monitor and also notify the
Speaker 2: police for anyone who has gone a wall, and especially
Speaker 2: violent criminals, not just ones who have created sex crimes.
Speaker 1: And to the extent they want to prioritize their efforts
Speaker 1: in rounding that person off. Well, it's a low level offender.
Speaker 1: The person got, you know, busted for third offense stealing
Speaker 1: sodas or something for a convenience store, was serving minor
Speaker 1: amount of time, or was out on probation with an
Speaker 1: ankle monitor over a non violent offense. We're not going
Speaker 1: to prioritize our efforts to get that guy. But we
Speaker 1: know he's out there because we got the alert, right,
Speaker 1: it seems manageable. And then the child molester comes out,
Speaker 1: All right, all man on deck, We're all gonna go
Speaker 1: out and search for this pervert. Absolutely, that's the way
Speaker 1: you manage that And the other thing is we have
Speaker 1: geo fencing. I mean you can program your cell phone
Speaker 1: and your your your dog ankle or your dog collar
Speaker 1: that zaps them when they go past a certain area.
Speaker 1: You don't need to put a line in the ground anymore.
Speaker 1: You just allocate the plan based on GPS satellite images
Speaker 1: and boom, you've got it. The dog gets to that area,
Speaker 1: it's gonna get zapped. Same thing. Technology clearly works.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And you know what, going back to that money thing,
Speaker 1: do the to close millions of dollars? I go back
Speaker 1: to the we found six hundred million dollars to give
Speaker 1: to the Cleveland Browns six million. I gotta imagine that
Speaker 1: would cover most of the cost of this. I mean,
Speaker 1: how much can it possibly cost to run this kind
Speaker 1: of system.
Speaker 2: Well that that's the other thing that Cindy Abrams were
Speaker 2: looking into. She when she introduced this bill the first time,
Speaker 2: there was and that's the thing where she's looking to
Speaker 2: see what happened. There is money for it. There is,
Speaker 2: there is, and it's not you know the person that's like, oh,
Speaker 2: like yeah, you know, some of the complaints have been
Speaker 2: how much more taxes? You know, how is this going
Speaker 2: to raise taxes. How much would this I'm already paying
Speaker 2: so much And it's like, no, you don't need to
Speaker 2: pay any more taxes than you're already paying. We need
Speaker 2: to reallocate these things towards programs that have transparency and
Speaker 2: proven success and not just keep taking that money and
Speaker 2: dumping them into organizations that are designed to manage poverty
Speaker 2: and crime. Therefore they don't actually fix them because their
Speaker 2: jobs would go away.
Speaker 1: Oh and that isn't that a problem here in the system.
Speaker 1: There's so many non governmental organizations out there doing work
Speaker 1: in the community, and they have their hand in the
Speaker 1: taxpayer cookie jar. They do get paid, and they do
Speaker 1: promise to do some good that's been defined which qualify
Speaker 1: them to get some of the taxpayer dollars. But does
Speaker 1: anyone follow up and really try, truly do an analysis
Speaker 1: to find out if the work that they claim they're
Speaker 1: doing is actually.
Speaker 2: It's actually effective. And in Cincinnati the answer is no.
Speaker 2: And in our own hometown, where we have that type
Speaker 2: of system, that type of government funds being put into
Speaker 2: these NGOs, to date, there is not They are not
Speaker 2: showing true metrics of success, mostly because they haven't defined them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, yes, very convenient to decide or see whether
Speaker 2: something that they're putting money towards works or not. So
Speaker 2: it does. I think with all of that it has
Speaker 2: to come from a total reorganization, from reallocation of funds.
Speaker 2: But we need the leadership to really be transparent with
Speaker 2: what our money is being spent on anyway, line by line,
Speaker 2: where is it going, metrics of success, and then the
Speaker 2: money just really needs to go to a program such
Speaker 2: as a real time ankle monitoring notification working with local
Speaker 2: law enforcement. Man, that's something that's that's effective.
Speaker 1: And you can make a great argument for that, demonstrably
Speaker 1: effective just on a theoretical level that we're talking here.
Speaker 1: You ask the question, can this be accomplished? Do we
Speaker 1: have the technology to do it? Of course we do.
Speaker 1: Can we make this happen? Well, of course we can.
Speaker 1: This is not sort of conceptually beyond the pale, some
Speaker 1: sort of brand new thing that you're thinking up out
Speaker 1: a whole clack. I mean, I'm sure there's real time
Speaker 1: monitoring somewhere out in the world, some other county or.
Speaker 2: Community, probably other states within Yeah.
Speaker 1: We could just follow their lead. The work's already done.
Speaker 1: Don't reactly well, just do what they did more with
Speaker 1: Sarah Herringer. It's eight twenty five right now.
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Speaker 1: by the time with Sarah Herringer Loost her husband Patrick
Speaker 1: in a terribly violent stabbing attack in their over the
Speaker 1: Rhine apartment. They are business owners in the community that
Speaker 1: lived there for I guess you told me eight years,
Speaker 1: Sarah hears, yeah, eight year and you moved out.
Speaker 2: Up yes, yeah, no longer there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you sucked it up as long as you could
Speaker 1: and over the Rhine. Now you've heard. May I have
Speaker 1: to have perwol in the wake of this ridiculous and
Speaker 1: horrific violence that we witnessed a few weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: with the beat down, I think everyone kind of generally
Speaker 1: understands when you say what the beatdown was, which event
Speaker 1: we're referring to. But the mayor and other council members
Speaker 1: and the city manager, and I guess, to some extent,
Speaker 1: although not as much, Police Chief Thigi coming out saying,
Speaker 1: oh no, Cincinnati's safe, don't believe your eyes. Don't believe
Speaker 1: what you see on the video. Cincinnati's a safe place,
Speaker 1: they claim the crime is down. Now, you lived in
Speaker 1: over the Rhine, one of the hotspots. It's been repeatedly
Speaker 1: identified for criminal activity regularly. I'm not just picking on
Speaker 1: Over the Rhine, but you actually lived there. So living
Speaker 1: there for eight solid years, what was your experience? I mean,
Speaker 1: and your husband was killed what June sixth?
Speaker 2: Fourth?
Speaker 1: June fourth, So in the eight years preceding June fourth,
Speaker 1: when you finally said you've had enough for obvious reasons,
Speaker 1: what was it like day.
Speaker 2: To day there? We always played the gun or the game?
Speaker 2: Is that gunshots or fireworks?
Speaker 1: Oh? You know, I remember my days in Chicago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna play out in our alleyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, is that construction? Fireworks? Gunshot?
Speaker 1: Cars don't backfire anymore?
Speaker 2: You can go ahead exactly. And uh yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: that if you do look at the shot Spotter program,
Speaker 2: that's like a year to date, there's like twenty two
Speaker 2: thousand shots. Who So that's and and maybe I don't
Speaker 2: want to be too misleading, I need to double check
Speaker 2: that data that was that was thrown out. But the
Speaker 2: point being is my lived experience is shots fired on
Speaker 2: a regular weekly occurrence in for for the past eight years.
Speaker 2: The concern that uh before this was more so theft,
Speaker 2: and then Patrick and I had talked And it's insane
Speaker 2: for me to be saying this now, but I really
Speaker 2: believed that I was safe. Other than wrong place, wrong time,
Speaker 2: The crime wasn't towards me. I, you know, catch a
Speaker 2: stray bullet, which the bullets had to go somewhere. There
Speaker 2: have been times where you know, they've been in the
Speaker 2: roof of our house, they're on the roof of our building. There.
Speaker 2: There was a night where we were out and it
Speaker 2: just felt there was a big event in Washington Park
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't feel good. Let's out here,
Speaker 2: Let's just go home. It was nine pm. We got
Speaker 2: home and we have bullets whizzing by our bedroom to
Speaker 2: a point where my husband drops to the floor and
Speaker 2: he's an army that he's been deployed. This wasn't and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I guess we're getting to the
Speaker 2: floor now. A couple weeks before this had happened outside
Speaker 2: on Walnut Street down in Otr across from the shell
Speaker 2: forty to fifty shots fired. It wakes me up in
Speaker 2: my bed and I'm like, okay, gunshots, Oh my god, unshots.
Speaker 2: I'm laying as flat as I can in my bed
Speaker 2: as far as all my like, is this going to
Speaker 2: come through the window? What's going to happen? Uh? So
Speaker 2: that even then we were like, all right, the the
Speaker 2: the bullets are going to go somewhere. Uh. That's that
Speaker 2: is probably our greatest threat. So it's probably time to
Speaker 2: move out of here.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And so no, I mean downtown is not safe. And
Speaker 2: for the elected officials to continue saying that, to skew data,
Speaker 2: to try to you know, present, to paint a story.
Speaker 2: And I understand why they're doing it. I own a
Speaker 2: business in OTR and I'm hesitant to say it, but
Speaker 2: we had to press charges on someone who uh attacked
Speaker 2: a member just this week. And the parking lot oh no, yeah.
Speaker 2: And these are things where it's you know, the media
Speaker 2: is like do you want to report? And now you
Speaker 2: know here I'm talking about it, but I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: this is my business, this is my livelihood. I'm already suffering.
Speaker 2: I've already lost us, my husband. The threat now on
Speaker 2: a safety level when it comes to financial means. So
Speaker 2: I understand why they want to paint this picture Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: the games, the events. That's why they have the elevated
Speaker 2: police presence. Is they want to create a feeling of safety.
Speaker 2: But what to get people to move in, yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: you know, and to even come down and spend their
Speaker 2: their dollars. And we need that. But what the business
Speaker 2: owners and residents of OTR are saying is, don't just
Speaker 2: give us the appearance of safety. Make it safe all
Speaker 2: the time, not just when Taylor Swift is in town.
Speaker 1: Put an exclamation point underline and put it in bold.
Speaker 1: Safe all the time, not just when Taylor Swift's in town. Well,
Speaker 1: you knocked it out of the park with that one era. Amen,
Speaker 1: let's pause with the early break, just a slightly early break.
Speaker 1: It's coming up on eight thirty five. We'll bring her
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Speaker 1: Rhine and well, is it possible to turn it around?
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Speaker 1: A thirty eight fifty five KRCD talk station. Hope you're
Speaker 1: having a happy Friday. I'm thoroughly enjoying in spite of
Speaker 1: the subject matter my conversation with Sarah Herringer with her
Speaker 1: lost lost her husband Patrick and is stabbing at their
Speaker 1: over the Rhine apartment after having moved down and over
Speaker 1: the Rhine for eight years and establishing a business and
Speaker 1: over the Rhine. But I guess becoming the word you
Speaker 1: used off air Sarah desensitized because I told you, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's just not me. It's all fortuitous. Yes, there's
Speaker 1: gunfire going on all over the round, but it happens
Speaker 1: all the time. And I know I'm not worried because
Speaker 1: I'm not a target of it. I'm not involved in
Speaker 1: criminal activity. I'm not in a gang, I'm not dealing drugs,
Speaker 1: all those things that law enforcement over the years has
Speaker 1: traditionally said. Listen, if you're going downtown, you will be
Speaker 1: safe unless you're down there to deal drugs by drugs,
Speaker 1: are involved in criminal activity, that's going to get you shot. Right,
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the attitude you had, I imagined. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But you mentioned though, how often, how frequently is bullets
Speaker 1: are whizzing by your window? And I wanted you to
Speaker 1: put a little more meat on the flesh on the
Speaker 1: bones of that statement because I asked you off Mike
Speaker 1: about your husband, military trained veteran who literally jumped on
Speaker 1: the floor out of fear for his and your own
Speaker 1: safety when bullets came whizzing by you actually you literally
Speaker 1: heard them.
Speaker 2: Yes, there was there was this. We were just getting
Speaker 2: ready for bed that night where I was like, things
Speaker 2: just feel a little uneasy, and we were home and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I hear this whistling noise. It's like,
Speaker 2: just like I can't even on.
Speaker 1: Television, yes, Hollywood movie sound effect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm and just very odd and it felt close.
Speaker 2: And my husband drops to the floor immediately as soon
Speaker 2: as he hears it, and I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: guess that's you know. And I slowly, like an elevator,
Speaker 2: moved down to the ground, not not having the speed
Speaker 2: he has. And he's like, those are bullets that whizz
Speaker 2: But then when you when a bullet whizzes by, that's
Speaker 2: what it sounds like. And he knew what it sounded
Speaker 2: like because he's you know, he had been deployed, he
Speaker 2: had served in two wars and had oddly enough survived
Speaker 2: that right, only to be killed in his home because
Speaker 2: of failure of city leadership, and he knew what that was,
Speaker 2: he knew what it sounded like, and it was a
Speaker 2: completely foreign sound to me. But that was what engaged
Speaker 2: that initial just instinct that he had and that he dropped.
Speaker 1: But in your your recounting over the eight years you
Speaker 1: were there, the experience with hearing, whether it whizzing by
Speaker 1: you that that close range or just hearing it in
Speaker 1: the distance kind of was the norm.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean there would be times two o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning, I'd wake up, go down, get a
Speaker 2: cup of water, and would hear four or five gun
Speaker 2: shots pop off, and you're like, uh, okay, and then
Speaker 2: you just go back to bed. And talking to anyone
Speaker 2: who lives in a neighborhood, who that's not the normal.
Speaker 2: I mean, if they heard that one night or they
Speaker 2: would have called all of the neighbors would have called
Speaker 2: the police, they would have what's happened? Who would you know?
Speaker 2: There would be probably an appropriate reaction to that instead
Speaker 2: of like, yep, that's the sounds of the city, that's
Speaker 2: the sounds of the neighborhood I live in, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know the weird thing about this, and I've
Speaker 1: never really thought about it. Along these lines, you hear
Speaker 1: about shot spotter technology, which you mentioned earlier. Why would
Speaker 1: any municipality invest in shot spotter technology unless or if
Speaker 1: they didn't have a problem with gun violence?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: If you have to measure you.
Speaker 1: Think there's shots spot around Anderson. I'm gonna pick on
Speaker 1: Anderson again. Do they have it out there? No? Do
Speaker 1: they have a need for it out there? No?
Speaker 2: So I don't think. Yeah, West, all of those all
Speaker 2: of those areas. Yeah, I mean, you you put you
Speaker 2: invest those things are not cheap. You invest in that
Speaker 2: when you need to. You know, there's they should be
Speaker 2: collecting data to see like are the policing that you
Speaker 2: have in that area? Is that reducing? Right? That's a
Speaker 2: good measurement. Is it actually reducing gunshots? We should probably
Speaker 2: measure where are the gunshots? Because it's not like an
Speaker 2: exact location, but we kind of you know, we know
Speaker 2: that it's in this area.
Speaker 1: It triangulates, yeah, if within a block.
Speaker 2: Any right, right, you know, in order to help because
Speaker 2: of we're all dissensitized, so we don't call the police
Speaker 2: when we hear gunshots anymore, you know. Right.
Speaker 1: That's it again, as any other neighborhood where this never happens.
Speaker 1: Everyone would be calling the cops. You wouldn't need shots
Speaker 1: botter technology because it's so unusual, it so often happens
Speaker 1: in downtown. Yes, again based on your personal experience, A
Speaker 1: you need it be No one's going to be calling
Speaker 1: the cops because they hear all the time. See, you
Speaker 1: get desensitized to it. And that's where I wanted to
Speaker 1: pivot over. I mean because and I mentioned that story
Speaker 1: again to you off air, when we lived in rather
Speaker 1: what I will characterize as somewhat dicey problematic neighborhood outside
Speaker 1: of Chicago. When we were up and we're actually in
Speaker 1: the city of Chicago. My wife and I middle of
Speaker 1: the night. I know what a shotgun sounds like because
Speaker 1: I shoot him all the time, and I'm familiar with
Speaker 1: guns generally speaking. But I heard distinctively, what was a
Speaker 1: shotgun blast? My wife wakes up, Oh my god, what
Speaker 1: was that? And I just calmly looked at our rollovers.
Speaker 1: A shotgun blast, go back to sleep. It didn't strike
Speaker 1: me as that unexpected because I knew about all the
Speaker 1: gang activity that occurred in that area where we lived,
Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, what are we gonna get
Speaker 1: worked up about what can I do about it? It's
Speaker 1: a shotgun blast, one probably in the middle of night.
Speaker 1: Probably guy probably ran away. I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lift my finger about it, do you think? And
Speaker 1: that sounds me like the attitude that you have. It's like, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I used to call in the beginning, and then
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't keep it.
Speaker 1: This is a part time when seconds count. Yes, do
Speaker 1: you think amid the refrains and cries from our city leaders,
Speaker 1: if I can use the term leosly mayor I have
Speaker 1: to have provall and others saying that violence is not
Speaker 1: a problem, that crime is not a problem downtowns and
Speaker 1: saying do you think they too suffer from this desensitization
Speaker 1: that we're talking about here, that they're so used to
Speaker 1: with themselves that they don't perceive regular gunfire going off
Speaker 1: in any community as a problem.
Speaker 2: I don't think they live downtown, No, there you go.
Speaker 2: I think they live in neighborhoods where they would call
Speaker 2: them if they heard gunshots.
Speaker 1: I might recommend a property they can buy so they
Speaker 1: can relocated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing, like we could ask any
Speaker 2: one of them, are you willing to live in OTR
Speaker 2: given the circumstances right now, and relocate. I am willing
Speaker 2: to bet the answers now probably, So if you're not
Speaker 2: willing to live there, why would you not be willing
Speaker 2: to live there. It's not because of noise, it's maybe
Speaker 2: a particular type of noise, but it's because it's not safe.
Speaker 1: Corey Bowman lives in the West End. They got a
Speaker 1: lot of gunflap going over.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he hears it all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and he's committed to his community making it
Speaker 1: a better place. Just to say that, Wow, you know
Speaker 1: their options out there was Move forward to November one
Speaker 1: more with Sarah Herringer. I really appreciate your time today
Speaker 1: spending with my listeners and me and talking about this
Speaker 1: very important is she's and I think opening people's eyes.
Speaker 1: That's really what your life experience over the last eight
Speaker 1: years can do for folks and bringing this there his
Speaker 1: attention so we can make a better place for everyone,
Speaker 1: which is all you're hoping to get out of this tragedy.
Speaker 1: Absolutely more with Sarah. It's eight forty five fifty five
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Speaker 1: A fifty fifty five KRCD talk station, A bit of
Speaker 1: an inside jock employees. Have I hurt me? You know, Sarah,
Speaker 1: that's got through my stack, my listeners got I've mentioned
Speaker 1: many times at the end of the fridays I had this,
Speaker 1: it's more than a ream of paperworth of stories that
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to, most of which I've gotten through
Speaker 1: a lot of them, you know, like stories in the
Speaker 1: news I was talking about this morning that he court
Speaker 1: hearing yesterday. That's a piece of paper, A couple of
Speaker 1: pieces of paper, anyway, stack them all up. Came to
Speaker 1: the end of the week and I just was showing her,
Speaker 1: you know, the output of my labor, and I said,
Speaker 1: I bet I didn't get to even half of the
Speaker 1: stories are in the stack. And she said, don't you
Speaker 1: have an assistant, Joe, Do I have an assistant other
Speaker 1: than the executive producer of the fifty five Caressey Morning
Speaker 1: Show has his own responsibilities and obligations. No, I am
Speaker 1: on my own stack. Sarah Herringer in studio, of course,
Speaker 1: widow Patrick Herringer, who stabbed in their apartment talking about
Speaker 1: I mean again, Patrick's Law, Patrick Herringer Act is going
Speaker 1: to We are positive it's going to be passed, requiring
Speaker 1: real time ankle monitoring, so you at least can believe
Speaker 1: that the system is actually doing something good. So we
Speaker 1: dressed that early in the program. Now, by way of
Speaker 1: other changes, I'm sure you paid attention to what have
Speaker 1: to have of all said by way of some reforms
Speaker 1: that they've enacted in the wake of the beatdown. Sadly
Speaker 1: not in the wake of your husband getting murdered. Add
Speaker 1: that to the list of murders in the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Obviously we have a serious gunplay problem, as you've demonstrated
Speaker 1: through your comments and what you've experienced personally, what so
Speaker 1: many other residents have experienced. Did anything he offered by
Speaker 1: way of solutions, like, for example, the curfew give you
Speaker 1: any sense of comfort, like, Okay, that actually might work. Okay.
Speaker 1: I like the way what he is saying. It's not
Speaker 1: going to solve all the problems, but it sounds like
Speaker 1: a step in the right direction. Or do you, i mean,
Speaker 1: find fault with his proposals or do you think he
Speaker 1: was missing out on an opportunity in some way to
Speaker 1: transform or change the nature of law enforcement. I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing that I'm looking at is what's
Speaker 2: the expiration date on this, on all of the things
Speaker 2: that he's putting in this We're not looking for temporary
Speaker 2: band aids here. We need a long term solution and
Speaker 2: also not so much reactionary things. Where is the proactive policing?
Speaker 2: Why aren't they allowing police really to do their job,
Speaker 2: pull people over, search cars, that's where you find stolen guns.
Speaker 2: You know that. Why aren't we using the fugitive apprehension
Speaker 2: to go out I've said it so many times to
Speaker 2: get the fifty two violent offenders that are a wall
Speaker 2: in Hamilton County. We have one hundred and fifty that
Speaker 2: have already popped off their ankle monitors.
Speaker 3: That we know.
Speaker 2: And why aren't we going Why aren't we cleaning up
Speaker 2: the streets?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and recidive is a problem. And if you've identified
Speaker 1: the criminal element, they're likely to break the law again,
Speaker 1: and they do it over and over again. So it's
Speaker 1: a very small slice of society that's sorting it for everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is why I think so many people, you know,
Speaker 2: when they're looking at these policies, they can't imagine what
Speaker 2: it's like to think like a criminal. They don't think
Speaker 2: like one, and so they you know, these programs, even
Speaker 2: they sound really nice and compassionate and rehabilitative, but that's
Speaker 2: that's not really the case. We need we need police protection,
Speaker 2: we need to be proactive, We need to prevent crimes,
Speaker 2: not just be really great at responding to them. So
Speaker 2: I think, you know, if I'm going to be critical
Speaker 2: if some of the things that AFTAB is put into place,
Speaker 2: it's it's what are we doing to prevent? What are
Speaker 2: we doing to allow police to really police and do
Speaker 2: their jobs? What is you know, what are these expiration dates?
Speaker 2: And then even down to the curfew, it's like, listen,
Speaker 2: the only kids breaking the curfew are the ones who
Speaker 2: don't listen to the law to begin with. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: they're really you know, you look it over. There's even
Speaker 2: one they're like, we're going to enforce it, except if.
Speaker 1: You're exercising your First.
Speaker 2: Amendment right right and you' and I'm like, freedom of assembly,
Speaker 2: the constitution, So somebody's going to make a constitutional law. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so the the whole thing is like why don't
Speaker 2: you why don't you enforce laws? Why don't you actually
Speaker 2: create things that you can legally enforce. And I don't
Speaker 2: know if the curfew is one of them. And you
Speaker 2: can't control how parents take care of their children, but
Speaker 2: you can control how police, you know police.
Speaker 1: True, But let us not let this topic go before
Speaker 1: we part company today, Sarah, without pointing out that one
Speaker 1: of the most critical elements of the judicial system and
Speaker 1: the criminal justice system is having judges who are willing
Speaker 1: to issue higher bonds, take care concern themselves with the
Speaker 1: societal concerns, which are you and me out here in
Speaker 1: the world, and also to uphold that concept of criminal
Speaker 1: justice punishment without punishment, it's not a deterrence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, that's the hardest consequences, the hardest to fix.
Speaker 1: Beyond fixing the problems that these young people, notably at home,
Speaker 1: they have terrible home life. They're going to become juvenile
Speaker 1: criminals and they're going to go on and become adult criminals.
Speaker 1: It's demonstrably proven. You know, I talk to a sociologists,
Speaker 1: so that seems to be the biggest problem out there,
Speaker 1: is the poor home life. But you can solve the
Speaker 1: judicial problem just bovoteing better judges who promised to be
Speaker 1: tough on crime. Absolutely, Sarah Heringer, God bless you keep
Speaker 1: being a voice of logic and reason. It's people like
Speaker 1: you who are sadly in a position, but are in
Speaker 1: a position to make changes happen. It looks like we're
Speaker 1: going to have some good developments in Columbus this fall,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate Cindy Abrams working with you. Want to
Speaker 1: get the Patrick Herringer Act through, And I'll ask my
Speaker 1: listeners to definitely get in touch with their representatives and
Speaker 1: senators in Columbus and tell them what the hell, let's
Speaker 1: get this past this time. Don't let it die in
Speaker 1: the Senate. Sarah, You're always welcome here.
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for having me real pleasure to.
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