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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for listening to Depictions Media Radio. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Policy and Rights. We'll show up back. Welcoma Policy and

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<v Speaker 2>This is a special edition of Policy and Rights. Un Kill,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be doing a special report on both

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<v Speaker 2>the debates of the Australian Debate and the English edition

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<v Speaker 2>of the Leader's Debate. As you know, the Canadian politics

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<v Speaker 2>are going onto the polls and dealing with the Canadian

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<v Speaker 2>election happening this coming April, whereas Australian's federal election that

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<v Speaker 2>will be happening in the first week of May. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's get right straight to it. I thought Michael Cloggs

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<v Speaker 2>would between the Canadian edition while I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be doing an Australian edition. Unfortunately, I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 2>doing both, so there you go. Anyways, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the Canadian federal election. Obviously, I will attempt to agree

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<v Speaker 2>that both politicians will be talking about Donald J. Trump

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<v Speaker 2>and the issues on tariff's agreements between both Canada and

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<v Speaker 2>Australia and the United States. Let's put it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>So far, mainly it's about the issues of basically on

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<v Speaker 2>the issues what Canadians want in their politicians. We know

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<v Speaker 2>that the fact that Trudeau is no longer in power,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course Carney is replacing Trudeau as the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you have the other people involvement that includes Peer,

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<v Speaker 2>pauliev Ever, Peer Party ever from the Conservative Party of Canada, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Sis from the Black Bagua and JACKM. Singh as the

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<v Speaker 2>NDP Party, whereas those are the four leaders. And then

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<v Speaker 2>of course the Australian political parties are the Liberals and

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Parties. Now the Labor Party is Anthony Albinizi

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<v Speaker 2>and Peter Detton from the Liberal Party. So that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>later on, after we deal with the Canadian political debate. First,

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<v Speaker 2>the Canadian debate lasts about two hours and seven minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas the Australian leaders debate lasted about an hour and

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<v Speaker 2>thirty and it's both sides. Both both Canadian governments will

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<v Speaker 2>will deal with issues on healthcare, spending, housing debates, not

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<v Speaker 2>spending housing debates, but affordable housing, that sort of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>from two sides, from both Canadian and Australian. Both of

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<v Speaker 2>them will deal on the attackment on Terrace and the

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<v Speaker 2>United States on their honor agreements between either from Canada

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<v Speaker 2>or from Australia. But we're going to talk about Canada first,

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<v Speaker 2>because of course the election coverage happens to me at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of April, whereas the Australian government have their

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<v Speaker 2>election at the first week of May. So here now

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<v Speaker 2>is the full clip of the full coverage of the

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<v Speaker 2>leaders debate, the Canadian English leaders debate that's happened just

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<v Speaker 2>around well, of course Australian time would be about April eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas the leader's debate happened on Thursday the seventeenth. So

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<v Speaker 2>here and now are the Ford debates. And actually, I

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<v Speaker 2>come to think of it, I know they had the

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<v Speaker 2>four major political parties. I mean, just as you as

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<v Speaker 2>your thought thinking about this, it's like, what happened to

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<v Speaker 2>the Green Party of Canada? Why aren't they involved? Why

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<v Speaker 2>aren't they involved in this debate? That quite frankly, I

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<v Speaker 2>wish they would have had all of the debate leaders

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<v Speaker 2>debate into those issues. But let me know if you're concerned,

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<v Speaker 2>if about the other party's debate, not just the major

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<v Speaker 2>ones like Anthony Albinizise government and it's you know, major

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<v Speaker 2>two parties of the Liberal and Labor Party. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>they might have a Green Party at it into it

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia, but they don't have that issue for that matter.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wish they did, especially with the Cannyan one

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<v Speaker 2>where they don't even have the the leader speaking out

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<v Speaker 2>on the on the Green Party for that matter. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of disappointing for both issues for that matter.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go. I'm gonna go again. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go over to the Kenney inside and if you have

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<v Speaker 2>any issues on that kind of outfront, you can always

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<v Speaker 2>email me. I know I do my jo Mike comes

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<v Speaker 2>and Maples show, but that's my email address comes in

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<v Speaker 2>peoples at gmail dot com. Or you can write to

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<v Speaker 2>Michael I think it's Mike Michael Rubens Marketing at gmail

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. Or send Michael at Michael's at oh what

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<v Speaker 2>is it? At depictions Media dot dot org. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that's his website for his UH outfront on issues. But

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<v Speaker 2>we do text each other from time to time, both

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<v Speaker 2>here in Australia and in Canada where he lives south near.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he is close to where where the US

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<v Speaker 2>border is, so no doubt about it. I mean there

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<v Speaker 2>will be plenty of issues on both leaders debate about

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<v Speaker 2>the US politics that's for darn sure. So my email

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<v Speaker 2>addresses comes to peoples at gmail dot com. You have

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<v Speaker 2>any information, are not informations, but your take on it

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<v Speaker 2>as well, through depictions, media radio, through policy and rights.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, this show is about government policies and issues

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<v Speaker 2>on rights and freedoms. And of course I will be issuing.

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<v Speaker 2>I will be voting for the Canadan election, even though

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<v Speaker 2>I am Canaan, I was born in Canadian, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>living in Australia with my family and stuff. So even

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<v Speaker 2>though my mom's duplicate, my stuplicate on the election stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>so she'll be voting, probably be voting for both Canadian

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<v Speaker 2>and Australian for that matter. So yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting times I'll be And of course this debate will

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<v Speaker 2>have two segments of courts, starting with Canada's debate, which

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<v Speaker 2>is now the Australian debate is an hour and a

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<v Speaker 2>half whereas the Canadian went it's about two hours, so

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<v Speaker 2>about four and a half four no, close about close

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<v Speaker 2>about four hours sort with this clip. So these two

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<v Speaker 2>clips anyway, so this has been this has got policine

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<v Speaker 2>rights podcasts and along through the depictions media radio, hope

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<v Speaker 2>you enjoy it and die well too, and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>again soon and hopefully either one of us will have

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<v Speaker 2>another episode of the show of whatever topics that we

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<v Speaker 2>do on policy rights. Anyways, this has been oh well.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Policy Rates with your hosts Kelly Reeburn

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<v Speaker 2>or son As d Jerry and Johnny Quip and vote,

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<v Speaker 2>Go Vote, Go, Vote, Vote Vote.

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<v Speaker 3>Live from the atrium of Maison Radio Canada in Montreal,

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<v Speaker 3>four federal leaders will debate for your vote. The leaders

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<v Speaker 3>are here and ready to go, Mark Carney, Pierre Paulieve,

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<v Speaker 3>If Francois Blanche and jug Meat Singh. They will debate

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<v Speaker 3>the major challenges facing our country, from tariffs, to the

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<v Speaker 3>cost of living, public safety, energy and leading in a crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>Good evening, everybody. I'm Steve Pagan, your moderator for tonight's debate.

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<v Speaker 3>Each leader has agreed to the following no notes, answer

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<v Speaker 3>the questions, stay on theme, stay on time. How much

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<v Speaker 3>each leader speaks will be counted on these clocks visible

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<v Speaker 3>to the leaders and to you at home. This is

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<v Speaker 3>the twoth twenty five Federal Leaders debate. Well welcome, leader

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<v Speaker 3>is good to be with you here tonight in Montreal.

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<v Speaker 3>For what I'm sure will be a memorable evening. Our

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<v Speaker 3>first theme is tariffs and threats to Canada, and we

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<v Speaker 3>will begin with a round of questions. You will each

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<v Speaker 3>have a minute to answer, and then we'll go to

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<v Speaker 3>open debate. And the first question goes to mister Kearney. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>what is the starting point for negotiations, mister Kearney with

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<v Speaker 3>the United States, if, as you have stated, our relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with the US is over as we know it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, first, Steve may I thank you and also thank

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<v Speaker 4>fellow leaders for their service to Canada people at home

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<v Speaker 4>for taking the time to watch. I just want to

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<v Speaker 4>underscore the premise here question because I think the relationship

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<v Speaker 4>that we've had with the United States, relationship over the

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<v Speaker 4>course of almost the last four decades, which has been

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<v Speaker 4>one of steadying increasing integration, has fundamentally changed because the

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<v Speaker 4>President is looking to fundamentally restructure trading system. So the

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<v Speaker 4>starting point has to be one of strength. It has

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<v Speaker 4>to show that we have control of our own economic destiny,

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<v Speaker 4>has to have a clear plan here at home to

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<v Speaker 4>build this economy, to diversify our trading partners with like

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<v Speaker 4>minded countries, and also has to have a position of

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<v Speaker 4>strength in terms of our reaction to the US unjustified tariffs,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's why we have put in place counter tariffs

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<v Speaker 4>that have maximum impact in the United States and minimum

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<v Speaker 4>impact here at home.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Pauliev, would you do anything differently?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, first of all, thank you Steve, and thank you

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<v Speaker 5>to our fellow contestants here today. It's an honor to

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<v Speaker 5>be here. What would I do different Well, I'll start

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<v Speaker 5>by what I would do the same? I think we

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<v Speaker 5>do need to counter the American tariffs with our own

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<v Speaker 5>to deter this economic aggression. We must make clear that

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<v Speaker 5>we will always be sovereign and independent. What would I

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<v Speaker 5>be doing differently? We all we need to be in

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<v Speaker 5>a position of strength. The liberal government has weakened our

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<v Speaker 5>economy with anti energy laws, red tape, and high taxes

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<v Speaker 5>that have driven five hundred billion dollars out of our

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<v Speaker 5>shipping our resources overseas. That weakness threatens our ability to

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<v Speaker 5>stand up for ourselves. So what would I do? I

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<v Speaker 5>would cut taxes, red tape, and approve our resource projects

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<v Speaker 5>so that we can get our goods to market and

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<v Speaker 5>bring home the jobs. So we stand up to President

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<v Speaker 5>Trump from a position of strength.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Singh, you get the next question. Can we trust

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<v Speaker 3>the United States to work with us on matters such

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<v Speaker 3>as Arctic sovereignty and defense policy?

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<v Speaker 6>I think we've seen first of all, good evening, everyone,

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<v Speaker 6>and thank you for tuning in.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks for the question, Steve.

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<v Speaker 6>We've seen what for a lot of people feels like

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<v Speaker 6>I've betrayal when we look at the United States.

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<v Speaker 7>I grew up in a bordertown.

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<v Speaker 6>I grew up in Windsor, and we saw how connected

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<v Speaker 6>People traveled back and forth all the time. We're in

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<v Speaker 6>across the border. Seeing what Donald Trump did to attack

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<v Speaker 6>Canada in this unprovoked way without any justification, really felt

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<v Speaker 6>like a betrayal. And so Canadians now are right to say, well,

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<v Speaker 6>we don't really trust Donald Trump at this point, and

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<v Speaker 6>So when it comes to our Arctic sovereignty and our security,

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<v Speaker 6>we need to make decisions that are in our best

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<v Speaker 6>interests and no longer be so dependent and so reliant

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<v Speaker 6>on the US. And that's what I would advocate for,

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<v Speaker 6>making sure we are resilient, independent, and less dependent on

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Blanchet, for you, what supports would you want to

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<v Speaker 3>see for industries affected by tariffs, many, of course of

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<v Speaker 3>which are in.

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<v Speaker 8>Quebec, many of them. First, we all will come in

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<v Speaker 8>Quebec and Montreal. You have me because I try not

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<v Speaker 8>to speak English in Montreal. However, I think you should

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<v Speaker 8>never underestimate the threat that mister Trump poses on Quebec

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<v Speaker 8>economy and Canada economy and Mexico economy. But we must

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<v Speaker 8>acknowledge the fact that the economy of Quebec is built differently,

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<v Speaker 8>the challenges are not the same. The necessity for Quebec

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<v Speaker 8>to have at least partly its own voice in the

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<v Speaker 8>negotiation is important. The difference between Quebec and Canada is

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<v Speaker 8>very important in terms of economy, but also in terms

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<v Speaker 8>of identity and language and values and who we are

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<v Speaker 8>and we we want to handle immigration, so we have

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<v Speaker 8>the right to be different. And if this difference is

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<v Speaker 8>being respected by whoever becomes Prime Minister of Canada. We

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<v Speaker 8>will be reliable partners in order to achieve the best

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<v Speaker 8>possible negotiation and protect ourselves and our economies as partners.

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<v Speaker 3>Vaccimos brochet. Okay, we now move into open debate, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'll start off, mister Kearnie with you, and then we

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<v Speaker 3>go from there. Do you still support dollar for dollar

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<v Speaker 3>tariffs and if they ultimately threaten Canadian jobs and businesses?

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<v Speaker 4>No, and in fact we've already moved off from dollar tariffs.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we have to recognize, and I think we

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<v Speaker 4>all do, the United States economy is more than ten

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<v Speaker 4>times the size of the Canadian economy. And the principle

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of our counter tariffs is to have maximum

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<v Speaker 4>impact in the United States, as I said a moment ago,

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<v Speaker 4>minimum impact here. So we have to think about the

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<v Speaker 4>impact on Canadian businesses. I'll give you one example, if

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<v Speaker 4>I may, in the auto sector. The way we've designed

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<v Speaker 4>say Canadian automakers, I mean automakers that have jobs and

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<v Speaker 4>plants and production in Canada, then they can have lower

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<v Speaker 4>create a huge incentive for them. In order to do that,

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<v Speaker 4>we also have carved out the Canadian autoparts sector.

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<v Speaker 8>Last point.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you're pressed for time the Canadian autoparts sector

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<v Speaker 4>so that it can remain competitive with the United States.

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<v Speaker 4>We're focused on maximizing Canadian jobs, maximizing the harm in

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Pullet, who went in then, mister Sick, mister Kearney.

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<v Speaker 5>You claim that you want our country to respond with strength,

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<v Speaker 5>but after the last decade, half of which time you've

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<v Speaker 5>ever before. It's been the worst growth in the G seven.

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<v Speaker 5>We've lost a half trillion dollars of investment south of

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<v Speaker 5>the border. You supported blocking pipelines in Canada that gave

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump in the US a near monopoly over our energy,

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<v Speaker 5>and now you want to keep in place Bill C

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<v Speaker 5>sixty nine, the liberal no New Development law that blocks

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<v Speaker 5>US from shipping our resources overseas. How could you possibly

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<v Speaker 5>think it's a good idea to give the Americans a

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<v Speaker 5>continued monopoly on our energy project when you have seen

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<v Speaker 5>how much these liberal policies have weakened our country over

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<v Speaker 5>the last decade.

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<v Speaker 3>Let mister Conry respond and mister sure, yes, So let's

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<v Speaker 3>go to my record.

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<v Speaker 4>My record is a month long as Prime minister, and

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<v Speaker 4>this goes to the heart of coming to the Americans

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<v Speaker 4>with strength, but doing the right thing for Canada. Within

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<v Speaker 4>the first week as Prime Minister, I sat down with

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<v Speaker 4>as the leaders of the indigenous peoples. Got an agreement

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<v Speaker 4>with all the provinces and territories doesn't happen very often.

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<v Speaker 4>Got an agreement for them to have one Canadian economy

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<v Speaker 4>instead of thirteen first point. Secondly to commit the federal

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<v Speaker 4>trade in Canada by Canada day. Thirdly, the federal government

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<v Speaker 4>to commit with respect to project for the question I'm

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, it is possible. It is possible on our system.

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<v Speaker 4>It is the impact of sixty It is agreed under

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<v Speaker 4>the Impact Assessment Framework, and we have a cooperation agreement

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<v Speaker 4>with British Columbia already. We're looking forward to them with

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, of course we agree around having a strategic

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<v Speaker 6>response to the United States. But what I'm concerned about

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<v Speaker 6>is what we're doing here in Canada. We are already

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<v Speaker 6>seeing threats to our country in that just the threats

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<v Speaker 6>alone of the tariffs have met Canadians have lost their jobs,

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<v Speaker 6>the threats of the tariffs that are in pace right now,

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<v Speaker 6>the threat the impact of those tariffs is that we've.

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<v Speaker 7>Lost jobs and steel aluminum.

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<v Speaker 6>In the auto sector for people are already losing their jobs.

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<v Speaker 6>And while mister Carne, you had time, as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 6>not very long time, but as Prime minister, you showed

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<v Speaker 7>The first thing you did is you had traveled.

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<v Speaker 6>You made a tax cut for millionaires, which was reversing

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<v Speaker 6>to millionaires, but you didn't have time to increase the

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<v Speaker 6>amount of workers get on EI. Right now, workers who

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<v Speaker 6>are struggling and wondering what am I going to do

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<v Speaker 6>my job? Workers who've lost their job are saying, how

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<v Speaker 6>of a worker's salary. Maybe forty years ago that would

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<v Speaker 6>have worked, or right now most workers are spending their

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<v Speaker 6>So EI is not good enough and it shows Canadians

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<v Speaker 6>that you didn't make it a priority to protect those

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<v Speaker 6>that are impacted by these tariffs, that are threat because

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<v Speaker 6>their jobs are lost.

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<v Speaker 3>We have not heard from Monsieur Blanchet yet in this segment,

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, Monsieur Cannie, you are becoming a real Canadian leader

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<v Speaker 8>saying one thing in French and an nuntherer one in English.

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<v Speaker 8>You said in British Columbia in February that you would

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<v Speaker 8>force oil and gas through pipelines through Quebec, either we

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<v Speaker 8>wanted it or not. You would use emergency powers in

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<v Speaker 8>order to do so, and two days later in Montreal

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<v Speaker 8>you said that you would never do that without the

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<v Speaker 8>approval of Quebec. What's the point of using emergency powers

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<v Speaker 8>if you do have the agreement of Quebec. However, I

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<v Speaker 8>do agree with you, it's important to be very strong

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<v Speaker 8>in front of mister Trump. However, I would keep the

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<v Speaker 8>dollar for dollar policy. Don't be weak in front of

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<v Speaker 8>mister Trump, and those counter tariffs have have to be targeted.

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<v Speaker 8>You have put out already two billions of dollars for

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<v Speaker 8>Ontario auto industry, car industry, and the lumberwood industry in

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<v Speaker 8>Quebec has already paid to United States two billions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 8>and you have not raised one finger in order to

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get from mister Poliev and then a response from

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<v Speaker 3>mister Kearney.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, mister Kearney refused to answer the question about pipelines.

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<v Speaker 9>Just the other day.

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<v Speaker 5>He said that he doesn't necessarily think we need to

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<v Speaker 5>build pipelines. Let me tell you what that means. Right now,

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<v Speaker 5>the Americans get ninety seven percent of our oil one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred percent of our natural gas exports at big discounts.

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<v Speaker 5>We have to send Canadian oil from Western Canada through

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<v Speaker 9>And now there's this law, liberal law C.

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<v Speaker 5>Sixty nine, what effect which effectively bans pipelines. The fourteen

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<v Speaker 5>biggest energy and resource companies say it has to go

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<v Speaker 5>if we're ever going to build another project. And I

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<v Speaker 5>asked mister Carney, why he would keep in place this

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<v Speaker 9>Why would you not repeal this liberal law?

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<v Speaker 5>Isn't it because you are exactly the same in the

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<v Speaker 5>same line as Justin Trudeau and the rest of the

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<v Speaker 5>liberal team that is now making up your cabinet.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get a response.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, let's let me pick up a couple of points

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<v Speaker 4>first thing. Second thing is made a commitment, made a

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<v Speaker 4>commitment that all proceeds, all proceeds from our tariffs will

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<v Speaker 4>go to workers, and those questions most effects. There were

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<v Speaker 4>several points, if I may, mister Steve, if I may address,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to do it quickly because several points raise

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<v Speaker 4>all proceeds go to workers and the firm's most effective,

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<v Speaker 4>and those proceeds are considerable. Third thing, I'm interested in solutions.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm interested in getting energy infrastructure built. That means pipelines,

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<v Speaker 4>that means carbon capture storage, that means electricity grids.

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<v Speaker 9>And here's how you do it.

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<v Speaker 4>And we've already moved in the first in the first

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<v Speaker 4>month cooperation agreements with the province is guess what we

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<v Speaker 4>are a federation. You need to cooperate with Quebec. You

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<v Speaker 4>need to cooperate with the provinces. You need to get

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<v Speaker 4>First Nations and Indigenous people buy and you can do

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<v Speaker 4>that through the one project, one review window that we

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<v Speaker 4>put in place at that first Minister's meeting, as well as,

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<v Speaker 4>if necessary, using emergency powers to fulfill the federal responsibility,

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<v Speaker 4>but not the unique Pulley.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever, you want to come back on that.

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<v Speaker 5>What you're saying, mister Kearney, with respect is a total contradiction.

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<v Speaker 5>The no New Development Law C sixty nine guarantees there

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<v Speaker 5>will not be one stop shop because it requires the

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<v Speaker 5>Government of Cana to actually duplicate.

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<v Speaker 7>Regulation, have one.

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<v Speaker 3>We just gott let's just let them finish the sentence.

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<v Speaker 9>That is not true.

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<v Speaker 5>In fact, mister sing The reality is we should have

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<v Speaker 5>ealth that takes it takes now seventeen years to get

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<v Speaker 5>a major project approved in this country. That is why

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<v Speaker 5>in the last ten years we've had the worst economic

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<v Speaker 5>growth in our in the entire pipeline and built not

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<v Speaker 5>afford they're pretty liberal term. We need a change, and

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<v Speaker 5>the Conservative plan for a change will include repealing the

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<v Speaker 6>While these two can be about who's more pro pipeline,

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<v Speaker 6>I think what we need to do is I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>it's clear the Liberals bought a pipeline, that built a pipeline.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know what Pierre is complaining about. That's what

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<v Speaker 6>I think what we need to do if we're talking

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<v Speaker 6>about energy in our country, we need to build an

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<v Speaker 6>East west grid. Let's use our power as a nation

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<v Speaker 6>to build a national project that creates good jobs, that

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<v Speaker 6>strengthens us for the future, where we connect the low

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<v Speaker 6>and have low cost energy for businesses, for people, so

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<v Speaker 6>we can build a stronger economy.

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<v Speaker 7>That's the energy of the future that we need.

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<v Speaker 4>Mister Carney, three quick points. First, the pipeline built, Yes,

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<v Speaker 9>Over the course last few years.

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<v Speaker 4>Secondly, I don't think mister Singh is absolutely right about

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<v Speaker 4>the East West grid grid interconnections, which is part of

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<v Speaker 4>the energy corridor. Huge opportunities for this country. We have

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to do more than one thing. Third point,

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<v Speaker 9>Not thirteen.

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<v Speaker 4>And if we just look at that agreement we got

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<v Speaker 9>This is within our graph.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Blanche, What should we be prepared to concede in

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<v Speaker 8>I want to be back to something that mister Carnis said.

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<v Speaker 8>You can't do something and deposit and you can't fill

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<v Speaker 8>people's mind with nonsense. Quebec as by law its own

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<v Speaker 8>environmental review institution, and you cannot through a federal decision,

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<v Speaker 8>she said, it's no. I know, I would I know,

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<v Speaker 8>But this is the mind.

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<v Speaker 9>This is the point.

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<v Speaker 4>This is if I may, this is the point the

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<v Speaker 4>known as cooperative federalism.

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<v Speaker 9>That's what we need to do. One other point, this

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<v Speaker 9>is what we need if we I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 9>what need to do in a crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>We have more you see.

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<v Speaker 8>And then mister Pelly, Yeah, the building of those pipelines

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<v Speaker 8>will take at least at least ten to fourteen years.

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<v Speaker 8>Mister Trump will be ninety years old, not president no more,

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<v Speaker 8>and somebody of course less terrible will be there before

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<v Speaker 8>you can even dream of having oil through this pipeline

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<v Speaker 8>of yours.

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<v Speaker 3>We're less than a minute ago, mister Pelly, I have

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<v Speaker 3>I promised you next.

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<v Speaker 5>So after the last ten years of liberals blocking pipelines

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<v Speaker 5>and killing jobs, we actually actually need to get things done.

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<v Speaker 5>We need to change, and our conservative plan for change

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<v Speaker 5>will repeal the no New Pipeline's law. It will create

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<v Speaker 5>a true one stop shop, set up shovel ready zones

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<v Speaker 5>with pre permitting so that we can approve LNG liquefaction

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<v Speaker 5>export plants, mines, pipelines, nuclear plans, and also hydro electric

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<v Speaker 5>dam so that we can generate the power. We need

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<v Speaker 5>to be strong, self reliant and stand on our own

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<v Speaker 5>two feet.

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<v Speaker 3>Last quick word to mister Carney.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, quick word bringing it back to what we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 4>which is tear us the threats to Canada. How to negotiate.

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<v Speaker 4>We need these options. We need these options to build domestically,

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<v Speaker 4>to build one Canadian economy.

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<v Speaker 9>We need to act. We need to diversify our trade partners.

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<v Speaker 7>And that give us.

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<v Speaker 3>That is our time. Okay, you know my job tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>I got to be the heavy guy here every now

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<v Speaker 3>and then making sure everybody comes to time. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>creeping an eye as well on making sure that everybody

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<v Speaker 3>gets rough justice over here. That concludes our first section

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<v Speaker 3>and our first debate. Up next, affordability and the cost

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<v Speaker 3>of living.

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<v Speaker 9>Our goal is to double the pace of housing construction.

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<v Speaker 7>Will lower your bills and build homes you can actually afford.

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<v Speaker 8>These needs.

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<v Speaker 9>Ay, big powerful, bring it home. Tax cut on work, investment,

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<v Speaker 9>energy and home building.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, leaders, same idea. One on one questions followed by

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<v Speaker 3>open debate format and mister Pauliev, you get the first

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<v Speaker 3>question this time. Many provinces, including some provinces with conservative governments,

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<v Speaker 3>have ambitious housing targets, none of which have been met.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do you think your housing plan will be any different.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me start by talking to the young people of

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<v Speaker 5>the nation and those who are aspiring to home ownership.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was only ten years ago you could buy

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<v Speaker 5>an average house for four hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>But in the last lost Liberal decade, housing costs have doubled,

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<v Speaker 5>rising faster than in any country in the G seven

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<v Speaker 5>and so now our youth cannot afford a home and

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<v Speaker 5>our seniors are worried about being evicted. We can't afford

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<v Speaker 5>a fourth Liberal term of rising housing costs. We need

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<v Speaker 5>a change, and our conservative plan for change. We'll one

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<v Speaker 5>acts the federal sale tax on new homes, two incentivize

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<v Speaker 5>municipalities to cut their construction taxes to bring houses down

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<v Speaker 5>in cost by one hundred thousand dollars. Three sell off

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<v Speaker 5>federal land for homes, and four train up three hundred

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<v Speaker 5>and fifty thousand young trades workers who can help build

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<v Speaker 5>those homes. Because you deserve a home and we're going

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<v Speaker 5>to make it happen.

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<v Speaker 9>For a change.

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<v Speaker 3>Also on the issue of affordability, mister Singh, you get

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<v Speaker 3>the next question how do you bring down grocery prices

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<v Speaker 3>in the midst of a trade war.

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<v Speaker 7>I appreciate the I appreciate the question. This is a

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<v Speaker 7>big concern.

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<v Speaker 6>When I talk to Canadians, they tell me they're really

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<v Speaker 6>feeling squeezed from the cost of living. That's one of

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<v Speaker 6>the top things that people tell me about. People are saying,

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<v Speaker 6>I can't afford to buy groceries. Every time I go

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<v Speaker 6>to the grocery store. It's just ongoing worry and this

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<v Speaker 6>feeling of anxiety that can I actually afford the things

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<v Speaker 6>that my family needs. On top of that, people are

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<v Speaker 6>worried about the cost of homes. I think those are

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<v Speaker 6>the two biggest things I hear. So we can do

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<v Speaker 6>things about this other countries. I'm taking concrete steps. We

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<v Speaker 6>can put in a price cap on food essentials.

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<v Speaker 7>France has done it. Greece has done it to great success.

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<v Speaker 6>It's brought down the cost of food significantly in both

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<v Speaker 6>those jurisdictions. We can also ban corporate landlords from buying

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<v Speaker 6>up the affordable homes to keep homes that are affordable affordable.

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<v Speaker 6>We can make things better for Canadians, but it requires

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<v Speaker 6>having the courage to take on the powerful corporations that

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<v Speaker 6>are ripping you off, that are price gouging you. And

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<v Speaker 6>we know that price gouging is one of the major

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<v Speaker 6>reasons why food prices are going up. You're never going

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<v Speaker 6>to hear Pierre Pauliev or mister Carney talk about the

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<v Speaker 6>fact that these are the corporationists you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Seeing that time. Mister Bilche, I want to ask you

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<v Speaker 3>about old age security, which will soon cost this country

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred billion dollars annually. We understand you would like

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<v Speaker 3>to expand it. How would you pay for that?

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<v Speaker 8>We would want it to be just for everybody because

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<v Speaker 8>the liberals I've created the discrimination against elders which are

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<v Speaker 8>sixty five to seventy five years old, I having ten

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<v Speaker 8>percent less income from federal government than those who are

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<v Speaker 8>over seventy five. But the best way to do it

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<v Speaker 8>is to have everybody pay its fair share in terms

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<v Speaker 8>of tax, which means that one should not be entitled

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<v Speaker 8>to eye money in fiscal paradise in order not to

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<v Speaker 8>pay him or his clients or friends not to pay

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<v Speaker 8>billions of dollars in taxes that could be used to

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<v Speaker 8>help the situation of elders. Those are things which are

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<v Speaker 8>supposed to be applied to I'm sorry, applied to everybody.

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<v Speaker 8>There are a lot of questions to be answered about that.

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<v Speaker 8>Other ways to do it is to reduce the pressure

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<v Speaker 8>on housing price, to make sure that the whole budget

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<v Speaker 8>of elders and families and workers can afford houses which

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<v Speaker 8>have increased dramatically in.

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<v Speaker 3>Crimes blanchees and that's time for this one, Miss Carney,

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<v Speaker 3>want to ask you about housing, which over the past

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<v Speaker 3>decade has gone from a problem to a crisis while

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<v Speaker 3>the Liberals Will were in power. Is your policy on

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<v Speaker 3>getting homes built any different from your predecessors and.

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<v Speaker 4>How This is one of the reasons why I enter

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<v Speaker 4>this contest because of the housing crisis, the cost of

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<v Speaker 4>living crisis, the housing crisis, and the Trump crisis.

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<v Speaker 9>To help fix it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I would say, look, the housing approach is fundamentally

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<v Speaker 4>different because we need a fundamentally different approach. We need

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<v Speaker 4>to build housing at a rate that we haven't seen

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<v Speaker 4>since the end of the Second World War.

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<v Speaker 9>We do need a fundamentally different approach.

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<v Speaker 4>And with the fundamentally different approach, we can build an

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<v Speaker 4>entirely new industry. So the question is how now, mister

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<v Speaker 4>Paulyev and I agree on some things. I agree as

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<v Speaker 4>well on reducing the tax on first time home purchases

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<v Speaker 4>as a way to buy. But I am focused on

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<v Speaker 4>increasing the supply of homes and doing that in a

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<v Speaker 4>way that uses Canadian technology and modular prefabricated housing, that

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<v Speaker 4>uses Canadian lumber, including in reinforced timber, and uses Canadian workers,

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<v Speaker 4>and in all respects we're scaling up to double the

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<v Speaker 4>rate of home building.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Kearney, that's time we now moved to open forum

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<v Speaker 3>here and mister Sing, you got the first comment. Many

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<v Speaker 3>of you have pledged to cut the GST on many

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<v Speaker 3>aspects of buying a home, and mister Sing, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to ask you, would you cut the GST on anything

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<v Speaker 3>else in order to make life more affordable?

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 6>In fact, I'm the only one on this stage that

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<v Speaker 6>fought to give people a GSC holiday. Interestingly, while that

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<v Speaker 6>GSC holiy helps working class folks middle class folks by

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<v Speaker 6>taking off the GSD off essentials, the.

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<v Speaker 7>Conservatives under Pierre Polier have voted against that.

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<v Speaker 6>They oppose the idea of giving people actual folks that

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<v Speaker 6>need help a tax break and would rather give millionaires

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<v Speaker 6>a tax break, which shows you whose side he is on,

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<v Speaker 6>which is not surprising. But what is surprising that mister

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<v Speaker 6>Carney also said that giving people a break on their

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<v Speaker 6>GST is a bad idea. Mister Charney, why do you

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<v Speaker 6>think giving a tax break to capital gains folks that

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<v Speaker 6>earn more than a million dollars is a good idea?

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<v Speaker 6>But helping a family afford their groceries, helping people afford

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<v Speaker 6>their bills for their internet, their cell phone, their home heating,

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<v Speaker 6>giving them relief to take the GSD off those.

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<v Speaker 7>Is a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 6>But giving a tax break to people who really only

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<v Speaker 6>earn over more than one point four million dollars, that's

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<v Speaker 6>somehow a good idea.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, you went after, that's your numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>You went after miss Polly of first. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to give him the first shot to respond, if you.

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<v Speaker 9>Will, mister Carney.

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<v Speaker 5>The reality is that housing costs doubled under the Liberal government,

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<v Speaker 5>while Justin Trudeau made exactly the same promises that you

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<v Speaker 5>are now repeating today. He promised that he would double

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<v Speaker 5>home building, In fact, home building went down. He promised

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<v Speaker 5>that he reduced the cost in fact it went up.

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<v Speaker 5>And how we here we are? Mark Kearney is asking

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<v Speaker 5>for a fourth Liberal term, repeating the exact same Liberal

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<v Speaker 5>promises that priced you out of a house. Just a

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<v Speaker 5>few weeks ago before the election, the Liberals voted against

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<v Speaker 5>taking the GST off new homes, and they have continued

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<v Speaker 5>to build up bureaucracies that block construction. We need a

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<v Speaker 5>change so that you can afford a home, and our

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<v Speaker 5>change will be again to ax the sales tax on

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<v Speaker 5>new homes, incentivize municipalities to speed up permits, free up

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<v Speaker 5>plan and cut development costs. Train up three hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>fifty thousand young people who can be in the trades

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<v Speaker 5>to build those homes, and sell off the land that

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<v Speaker 5>is going to be needed in order to build homes.

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<v Speaker 5>That is a real plan, a real plan for you

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<v Speaker 5>to own a home and afford your life.

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<v Speaker 3>For a change, mister Kurney, they're coming at you from

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<v Speaker 3>both sides.

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<v Speaker 9>Is okay. I know it's maybe difficult. Mister Polyev.

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<v Speaker 4>You spent years running against Justin Trudeau and the carbon tax,

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<v Speaker 4>and neither they're both gone. Okay, they're both gone, and

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<v Speaker 4>we're we're in a new person and we're within a

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<v Speaker 4>very different look. I'm a very different person from Justin Trudeau.

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<v Speaker 4>Focus is on you, and so how to drive results

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<v Speaker 4>in the housing market. You've got to change the model

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<v Speaker 4>of building. You've got to increase the financing for housing developers.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty five billion dollars on the table for those housing developers,

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<v Speaker 4>ten billion for deeply affordable homes, cutting development charges in half,

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<v Speaker 4>lowering the cost of the building of those homes by

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<v Speaker 4>twenty percent, and lowering the emissions and the run costs

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<v Speaker 4>of those homes by another twenty percent. This is how

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<v Speaker 4>you drive for the building. This is how you bring

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<v Speaker 4>young people back into the House of exact.

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<v Speaker 8>You claim to be very different from mister Trudeau. Now

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<v Speaker 8>the point is to show that you are any better

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<v Speaker 8>than mister Trudeau. You claim to have a lot of

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<v Speaker 8>experience in many things, and you know things. Last time

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<v Speaker 8>we had somebody saying that they knew things, it was

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<v Speaker 8>a senators and they killed a law that protected supply

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<v Speaker 8>and management because they knew better than us and were

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<v Speaker 8>elected by nobody, exactly like you are today. You say

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<v Speaker 8>that you are a great crisis manager, which one I

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<v Speaker 8>heard of. Nothing as far as I know, Bricksit happened

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<v Speaker 8>even if you were against it. You say you are

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<v Speaker 8>a great negotiator. What have you negotiated but fiscal paralysis

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<v Speaker 8>and Bermundaz or Kaiman Islands. You have to prove something

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<v Speaker 8>and you have to reveal what you own in those

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<v Speaker 8>companies if you want people to believe you, mister sing.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, returning to the topic of housing, now this is

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<v Speaker 6>very important. Obviously, we need to build homes that people

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<v Speaker 6>can afford. Mister Paul have had the opportunity to show

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<v Speaker 6>us what he could do. He was the Minister of

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<v Speaker 6>Housing under Stephen Harper and during that time, guess how

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<v Speaker 6>many homes he built. He built six homes during that

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<v Speaker 6>entire time. This is not something you can trust to

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<v Speaker 6>build homes. He built homes. This has been confirmed again

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<v Speaker 6>and again. He were six homes.

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<v Speaker 7>That's it. Now.

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<v Speaker 6>The problem though with mister Karney as well, He's laid

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<v Speaker 6>out a plan. The problem is is that when he

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<v Speaker 6>was the share of Brookfell Investments, this is a company

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<v Speaker 6>that made a strategic decision to buy up affordable homes

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<v Speaker 6>and cities like Toronto where people were paying a decent rent,

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<v Speaker 6>and they purposely bought those homes, kicked out the tenants

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<v Speaker 6>and jacked up the rents.

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<v Speaker 7>That is not someone you can trust, sadly to deal

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<v Speaker 7>with the.

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<v Speaker 6>Housing crisis when mister Karney, you're profited off of it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to get responses here, mister Paulia, first, mister Carney.

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<v Speaker 8>Second.

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<v Speaker 5>First of all, mister saying all the Toronto Star, the

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<v Speaker 5>Toronto Star debunked your fall six homes. And I appreciate

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<v Speaker 5>neither Liberals or MNDP are very good with math. But

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<v Speaker 5>in that year, the year I was, which is great,

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<v Speaker 5>the year of the year, the year I was saying,

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<v Speaker 5>in the year I though, the year I was minister,

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<v Speaker 5>we had two hundred thousand homes built. And guess what

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<v Speaker 5>the average price of a home was at the time,

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<v Speaker 5>four hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 7>Guess what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>One one bedrooms randed out for nine hundred dollars, and

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<v Speaker 5>that since that time, housing costs have actually doubled under

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<v Speaker 5>the Liberals double we have. Now we have mister Carney

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<v Speaker 5>making tens of billions of dollars of spending promises that

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<v Speaker 5>will ultimately as well continue to build bureaucracy. We don't

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<v Speaker 5>need more bureaucracy in Ottawa. We tried that for ten

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<v Speaker 5>Liberal years. Mister Carney.

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<v Speaker 9>What we need is to build homes. In communities.

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<v Speaker 5>So that means acting taxes on home building and getting

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<v Speaker 5>the government out of the way so that builders can

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<v Speaker 5>actually build. Can I pick you are on housing we

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<v Speaker 5>need to change and user are not a change market party.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to pick up on I thought that answer

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<v Speaker 4>was quite revealing. The first thing is that it's an

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<v Speaker 4>attitude towards housing that absolutely ignores affordable housing, deeply affordable

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<v Speaker 4>housing issues with vulnerable people, ignores the rental market, ignores

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<v Speaker 4>all other aspects of it. So the six are the relevant.

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<v Speaker 4>Mister Singh is absolutely right. The six are the relevant.

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<v Speaker 9>Two hundred thousand.

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<v Speaker 4>The two hundred thousand are a different part of the

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<v Speaker 4>housing market. There are many Canadians. There are many Canadians

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<v Speaker 4>of different income levels. The second thing it reveals is

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<v Speaker 4>a misunderstanding, or well a misunderstanding, i'll be polite, of

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<v Speaker 4>how the government's balance sheet can catalyze enormous private investment.

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<v Speaker 4>And that is what we need to do to solve

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<v Speaker 4>the housing crisis. It happens to be what we need

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<v Speaker 4>to do as a whole to address the economic crisis

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<v Speaker 4>that's been forced on us by President Trump.

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<v Speaker 8>Miche Blanchet, Yeah, you have spoken much more than I have,

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<v Speaker 8>so I won't ask a question. I will make a

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<v Speaker 8>statement instead. I'm not saying no, I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 8>you cannot do what you pretend that you are able

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<v Speaker 8>to do. We just have no proof so far. I'm

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<v Speaker 8>saying quite clearly that you cannot be entitled to do

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<v Speaker 8>it alone. You cannot be entitled to hold all the

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<v Speaker 8>power in your two hands. You cannot go out there

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<v Speaker 8>and fix things for Canada and Quebec without being seriously

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<v Speaker 8>checked by serious people. You cannot go out there out

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<v Speaker 8>there and speak for Quebec without Quebec having its own

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<v Speaker 8>strong voice to protect itself and to promote its different economy.

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<v Speaker 8>So if you want to collaborate, let's see right now

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<v Speaker 8>that whatever happens, even if minority government government happens, you

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<v Speaker 8>will be a partner with the different Quebec economy and identity,

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<v Speaker 8>which you have been not interested in for the economic

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<v Speaker 8>part and not respectful for the identity.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me get mister, at this point, can you tell

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<v Speaker 3>us what's the first thing you would do to make

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<v Speaker 3>life more affordable for Canadians.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a lot of things that we can do, and

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<v Speaker 6>I've laid out some of those things I think fundamentally,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm the only person on stage that not only fought

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<v Speaker 6>for real relief for people in terms of affordability, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>the only one that fought for pharmacare that actually makes

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<v Speaker 6>life more affordable at giving people medication coverage, dental care

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<v Speaker 6>that gives people more affordability by letting them access their

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<v Speaker 6>services if you're a senior and a kid. I fought

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<v Speaker 6>for childcare to make sure people can afford childcare, all

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<v Speaker 6>measures that mister Paulia voted against, all measures that mister

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<v Speaker 6>Blanchet voted again. So if you want someone that's going

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<v Speaker 6>to fight for you in Ottawa to actually make life

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<v Speaker 6>more affordable, you can't entrust all the power to mister

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<v Speaker 6>Carney doesn't have.

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<v Speaker 7>A track record of making life more affordable for people.

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<v Speaker 7>But we do.

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<v Speaker 6>So vote for a new Democrat and will continue this

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<v Speaker 6>work to make life more affordable for you. While the

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<v Speaker 6>Conservatives and the block have voted against those measures to

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<v Speaker 6>make life affordable because that's not who they care about.

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<v Speaker 1>You.

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<v Speaker 7>Democrats are in it for you, pure pellef.

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<v Speaker 5>The number one expense for families today is taxes, more

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<v Speaker 5>than they spend on food, clothing, and shelter. Combined this

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<v Speaker 5>after ten years of liberal tax increases, we can't afford

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<v Speaker 5>a fourth term of high liberal taxes. That's why conservatives

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<v Speaker 5>have a plan for change, and that plant against.

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<v Speaker 7>A measure to help people.

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<v Speaker 5>Could cutting income taxes by fifteen percent for the average

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<v Speaker 5>worker and senior, saving a working couple up to two

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<v Speaker 5>thousand dollars, rewarding hard work again, because hard work out

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<v Speaker 5>is actually being punished. US is actually being punished because

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<v Speaker 5>of the very high taxes. Now the Liberals promised ten

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<v Speaker 5>years ago they would lower them, they actually raise taxes

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<v Speaker 5>on nine out of ten Canadians. We need a change

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<v Speaker 5>in this country because your hard work should once again

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<v Speaker 5>pay off with a powerful paycheck that buys you an

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<v Speaker 5>affordable food, affordable home.

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<v Speaker 6>You want to see it would say three dollars, and

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<v Speaker 6>that's what we youre want to say people two thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 6>but cut their dental care which is thousands of dollars,

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<v Speaker 6>cut their childcare which is thousands dollars, cut farmercare coverage

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<v Speaker 6>was just.

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<v Speaker 7>Thousands of dollars. That's not a very good math deal

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<v Speaker 7>right there.

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<v Speaker 6>You're gonna cut You're gonna say people two thousand, but

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<v Speaker 6>cost them tens of thousands of dollars. That's why you

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<v Speaker 6>cannot afford conservatives, and you certainly can't. You need new Democrats,

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<v Speaker 6>Mark Arney.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to reinforce that point and then I'll respond

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<v Speaker 4>to mister Blanche. Childcare in this country three thousand to

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<v Speaker 4>ten thousand dollars a year for a family, depending on

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<v Speaker 4>where you live, province, depending on where you live. That's

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<v Speaker 4>that's what's been saved there. Eight hundred dollars per trip

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<v Speaker 4>to the dentist.

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<v Speaker 9>We've expanded dentalents, million million Democrats, farmercare.

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<v Speaker 4>These are fundamental issues for affordability. We're talking about affordability

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<v Speaker 4>and taking them off in order that tax.

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<v Speaker 5>Quebec what I've said, and in terms of income working

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<v Speaker 5>with Quebec for Canadian yes, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>Throughout the short time I've been Prime Minister, working directly

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<v Speaker 4>with the Premier of Quebec, our Minister of Foreign Affairs,

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<v Speaker 4>our Minister of Finance are from Quebec.

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<v Speaker 9>Quebec and Quebec issues. Whether it's to.

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<v Speaker 8>Answers, it goes a letter. He asked five things in

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<v Speaker 8>the letter. He read us his expectations we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 8>and you did not even and swer him. And tonight

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<v Speaker 8>you are so much in love with Quebec.

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<v Speaker 9>Steve. The question that Canadians have to ask.

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<v Speaker 3>Why he's got mister saying sorry, he is the floor.

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<v Speaker 5>The question you have to ask is, after a decade

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<v Speaker 5>of liberal promises, can you afford food? Is your housing

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<v Speaker 5>more affordable than it used to be? What is your

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<v Speaker 5>cost of living like comppared to what it was a

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<v Speaker 5>decade ago? And are you prepared to elect the same

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<v Speaker 5>liberal MPs, the same liberal ministers, the same liberal staffers

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<v Speaker 5>all over again for a fourth through mister Arnie Justin

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<v Speaker 5>Trudeau's staffers are actually here with you at this debate

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<v Speaker 5>in Montreal writing the talking points that you are regurgitating

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<v Speaker 5>into the microphone. How can we possibly believe that you

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<v Speaker 5>are any different than the previous ten years of liberal Gudenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Five seconds left in this segment for you to respond

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<v Speaker 3>to that.

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<v Speaker 9>Look, I do my own talking points, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 4>The biggest risk we have to affordability, the biggest risk

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<v Speaker 4>we have to this economy is Donald Trump. So first

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<v Speaker 4>and foremost, we've got to get that right. Secondly, we

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<v Speaker 4>need to do it in a way that brings everyone

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<v Speaker 4>along together. That means preserving pharmacare, dental care, childcare, reinforcing healthcare, spending, our.

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<v Speaker 8>Intrusion, intrusion, intrusion, intrusion, and Quebec jurisdiction over and again.

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<v Speaker 8>I like, any better than we are? Is there one

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<v Speaker 8>thing Canadians can do that Quebecers cannot do. You are

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<v Speaker 8>doing intrusions in our jurisdiction with our money, pretending you

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<v Speaker 8>are better, and most of the time you try to

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<v Speaker 8>copy what we did with our own money against us.

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<v Speaker 8>What's that as a policy? Don't you have your own things?

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<v Speaker 3>Gentle about that? That really is time for this segment.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to be polite and let everybody finish their.

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<v Speaker 8>Point, but far we got to move by the liberty.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. Okay, that ends Section two. Up next, public

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<v Speaker 3>safety and security.

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<v Speaker 4>Fight crime to protect Canadians and to build communities that

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<v Speaker 4>are safe, secure and strong.

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<v Speaker 5>Keep crime, drugs, stolen cars, and other illegal substances out

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<v Speaker 5>of our country.

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<v Speaker 6>We're going to invest in our borders and that means

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<v Speaker 6>hiring more border officers.

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<v Speaker 9>Resources are in short supply, not enough staff.

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<v Speaker 8>This is not the nice way to treat people who

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<v Speaker 8>come to our border.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, same format, one on one questions and then open debate,

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<v Speaker 3>missieur blanche, you get to go first in this one

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<v Speaker 3>public safe and security for a lot of people. That

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<v Speaker 3>means the fentanyl crisis. I'd like to know what you

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<v Speaker 3>could contribute to ending that crisis in this country.

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<v Speaker 8>The fentannel crisis is a very serious issue, which is

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<v Speaker 8>a bit less important than Quebec than it is in

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<v Speaker 8>British Columbia. I think the old border thing is the

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<v Speaker 8>real issue. Immigration is a very important issue for Quebecer's.

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<v Speaker 8>Immigration has to be dealt with in an orderly fashion.

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<v Speaker 8>Our borders are not dealt with in an orderly fashion.

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<v Speaker 8>The rules are not respected, the rules are unclear. Some

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<v Speaker 8>rules even invite people to eye for two weeks illegally

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<v Speaker 8>before coming out. Some things has to be done. The

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<v Speaker 8>situation of one person asking for asylum may take as

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<v Speaker 8>much as four years without us reducing the number in

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00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:53.199
<v Speaker 8>order to deal with them and then a human way.

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00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:57.079
<v Speaker 8>The services for every citizen in Quebec are being reduced

852
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:01.480
<v Speaker 8>because we cannot afford the fact that we receiving much

853
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:05.719
<v Speaker 8>much more people in Quebec from this specific type of

854
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.039
<v Speaker 8>immigration than we can't afford, and we cannot teach them

855
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:10.039
<v Speaker 8>French that's time.

856
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Mischion Blanche. We can of course return to the immigration

857
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:15.800
<v Speaker 3>issue during open debate few years too. Mister Carnie, question

858
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 3>for you. The liberal gun buyback policy, not considered a

859
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.559
<v Speaker 3>success by many people. Reviving it is in your platform.

860
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:25.039
<v Speaker 3>Why would it work this time?

861
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:25.639
<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

862
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.679
<v Speaker 4>I think well, what we've seen with that policy is

863
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 4>some success at the commercial level, but not at the

864
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.639
<v Speaker 4>individual level because it hasn't been my opinion, it hasn't

865
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:39.119
<v Speaker 4>been organized properly, and it needs to be organized properly

866
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.880
<v Speaker 4>and instructed the Minister of National Security and Public Safety

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00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:45.199
<v Speaker 4>in order to do that.

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<v Speaker 9>So part of this is a different focus of.

869
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:52.519
<v Speaker 4>Government, a focus on results, a focus on clear milestones

870
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.320
<v Speaker 4>in the short term. Let me make a broader point

871
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:58.400
<v Speaker 4>though and gun, which is that we have a problem

872
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:01.639
<v Speaker 4>with guns coming over, which is why we've tightened our borders.

873
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.719
<v Speaker 4>We have an issue though with a gun industry that

874
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.719
<v Speaker 4>is continually coming up with new forms of assault rifles,

875
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:12.199
<v Speaker 4>mass killing machines. We banned over two thousand of these.

876
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:16.199
<v Speaker 4>Every single time there has been a vote in the

877
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:20.039
<v Speaker 4>House of Commons on gun control, mister Polyev has voted

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00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:22.840
<v Speaker 4>against it. You can't be tough on crime unless you're

879
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:24.840
<v Speaker 4>tough on guns, pauliev.

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<v Speaker 3>You can come back on that in the open debate

881
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:28.280
<v Speaker 3>if you want to. But my question for you in

882
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:32.719
<v Speaker 3>this segment is Indigenous people are statistically overrepresented in our

883
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:35.840
<v Speaker 3>correction system. Are you concerned that your tough on crime

884
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:37.840
<v Speaker 3>platform will make that worse.

885
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:43.199
<v Speaker 5>I'm concerned that Indigenous people are disproportionately the victims of crime.

886
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:47.519
<v Speaker 5>I give you the example of a wonderful group of

887
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:51.719
<v Speaker 5>Indigenous people who came under attack in Saskatchewan, and many

888
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:56.559
<v Speaker 5>of them were murdered. Killer was out of jail after

889
00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:02.679
<v Speaker 5>sixty prior convictions. This is the result of ten years

890
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:06.599
<v Speaker 5>of liberal laws that allow the same offenders to be

891
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.119
<v Speaker 5>released dozens and dozens of times, even when it's known

892
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:14.159
<v Speaker 5>they are danger We can't risk a fourth liberal term

893
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:18.280
<v Speaker 5>of soft on crime policies. We need to change, and

894
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:21.639
<v Speaker 5>the Conservative plan for change will bring in a three

895
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:24.599
<v Speaker 5>strikes your outlaw. Three convictions for serious crimes, you go

896
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.119
<v Speaker 5>to jail for at least ten years, maybe for life,

897
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.639
<v Speaker 5>no chance of parole or bail. We will bring in

898
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:34.920
<v Speaker 5>life sentences for traffickers of fentanyl, human beings, and guns,

899
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<v Speaker 5>and we will secure our borders to keep the legal

900
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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:42.480
<v Speaker 3>Mister Peliev. That's time. Mister sing your question is about

902
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:46.000
<v Speaker 3>the RCMP, because you've got OURCMP reform in your platform.

903
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:48.960
<v Speaker 3>What in your view is the problem with the RCMP.

904
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<v Speaker 6>Well, some of the basis for this is the concern

905
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:55.280
<v Speaker 6>that's been raised in more rural communities, in northern communities

906
00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:59.360
<v Speaker 6>that there have been some serious concerns about violence or

907
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:03.119
<v Speaker 6>inappropriate use of force when it comes to the execution

908
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:05.320
<v Speaker 6>of their duties. We want to make sure that we've

909
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:09.599
<v Speaker 6>got a top tier police force that provides security and

910
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:12.079
<v Speaker 6>safety too with those communities in a way that's sensitive

911
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.599
<v Speaker 6>and understanding of the communities that are serving. I also

912
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:18.000
<v Speaker 6>think what's very important is for Indigenous communities, indigenous policing,

913
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:20.639
<v Speaker 6>this is an area of deep concern. I think everyone

914
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.079
<v Speaker 6>in our country should be safe. You should be able

915
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:25.519
<v Speaker 6>to be safe at home, safe when you go to work,

916
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:28.519
<v Speaker 6>safe if you take public transit, safe for your kids

917
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.199
<v Speaker 6>to be able to play in the local playground.

918
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<v Speaker 7>And that's something I'm committed to.

919
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:33.559
<v Speaker 6>And the other area that I'm focused on when it

920
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.119
<v Speaker 6>comes to public safety is making sure we prevent crime

921
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:38.920
<v Speaker 6>before it happens. And that's why we want to see

922
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:42.719
<v Speaker 6>increased investments in our border security. We saw under the

923
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:46.639
<v Speaker 6>Conservatives they cut eleven hundred border officers in one day,

924
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:49.519
<v Speaker 6>so that prevented our ability to keep our border safe.

925
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:50.519
<v Speaker 7>That stops those.

926
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:53.440
<v Speaker 3>Materials come in that time. Munch Or was wealthy RCMP.

927
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:55.000
<v Speaker 3>But maybe we can get back to that during the

928
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:57.960
<v Speaker 3>open debate segment which we go to right now, when

929
00:51:57.960 --> 00:51:59.800
<v Speaker 3>mister Polly, have you get the first word on this one,

930
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.360
<v Speaker 3>and it's sort of dovetails on the last answer you gave,

931
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:05.360
<v Speaker 3>which is you have pledged to be the first prime

932
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:08.599
<v Speaker 3>minister in this country to use the notwithstanding clause setting

933
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:11.719
<v Speaker 3>aside Charter rights of as you call them, multiple murderers.

934
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:13.679
<v Speaker 3>Why do you think that's necessary?

935
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<v Speaker 5>To be clear, I want to uphold the Charter rights

936
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:21.800
<v Speaker 5>of Canadians under Section seven to life, Liberty and Security

937
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:25.880
<v Speaker 5>of the person. Right now that right is violated by

938
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:30.320
<v Speaker 5>multiple murderers who are given discounts. The case in question

939
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:32.920
<v Speaker 5>was a gentleman who went into a mosque and shot

940
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:37.639
<v Speaker 5>dead six innocent worshipers. He got, according to this ruling,

941
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:40.920
<v Speaker 5>only one twenty five year sentence, meaning he can be

942
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:44.079
<v Speaker 5>out in his fifties. He only serves four years for

943
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:48.320
<v Speaker 5>every murder that he carried out that is outrageous, and

944
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:52.119
<v Speaker 5>I will use the constitutional powers that are created for

945
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:56.400
<v Speaker 5>this purpose to ensure that mass murderers stay in maximum

946
00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:58.440
<v Speaker 5>security penitentiary for life.

947
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:00.280
<v Speaker 9>They will only come out in a box.

948
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 5>We will also pass tough new laws that prevent repeat

949
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:06.760
<v Speaker 5>offenders from getting out. If you commit three offenses under

950
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:09.079
<v Speaker 5>the three strikes law, I propose you will not be

951
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:12.400
<v Speaker 5>allowed out of jail until you prove that you are

952
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:16.000
<v Speaker 5>drug free, that you are behaved perfectly, and that you've

953
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:19.079
<v Speaker 5>learned an employable skill and you've served a ten year sentence.

954
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:21.880
<v Speaker 5>We cannot allow liberal crime and chaos to go on

955
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.679
<v Speaker 5>terrorizing our communities. What we need is a real plan

956
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:28.480
<v Speaker 5>for change so that we can bring back the safety

957
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:31.000
<v Speaker 5>and the security of the Canadians used to take for granted.

958
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:32.599
<v Speaker 3>Let me get mister Carney to respond to you that

959
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:35.159
<v Speaker 3>you think that's an appropriate use of the Notwithstanding clause.

960
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:35.320
<v Speaker 9>Of the Charter.

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00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:39.239
<v Speaker 4>I think that the one of the core responsibilities of

962
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:44.000
<v Speaker 4>the federal government Prime Minister is to defend the fundamental

963
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:47.559
<v Speaker 4>rights and liberties of Canadians, and those fundamental rights and

964
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:52.119
<v Speaker 4>liberties of Canadians are outlined in our Charter. Rights and Freedoms,

965
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:57.119
<v Speaker 4>which is forty three years old. Literally today, I think

966
00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:03.679
<v Speaker 4>it's a very dangerous slope to override judgments of the

967
00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:08.119
<v Speaker 4>Supreme Court of Canada. In fact, the Charter of Rights

968
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:12.480
<v Speaker 4>and Freedoms exists to protect Canadians from.

969
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:15.559
<v Speaker 9>People like us on the stage.

970
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:23.079
<v Speaker 4>Politicians who may use their power to override fundamental rights

971
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:25.440
<v Speaker 4>in the issue in using by the federal government.

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00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:28.719
<v Speaker 9>I'll stop here is not where you start.

973
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.440
<v Speaker 3>Where will you stop, mister Poll, I should get mister

974
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:33.639
<v Speaker 3>pollyev on that is it a slipper?

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00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.000
<v Speaker 8>I must say I would be quite interested too, because

976
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:40.440
<v Speaker 8>mister Carney said that he didn't want us to use

977
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:47.960
<v Speaker 8>the notwithstanding cause claus before adopting a law, and yesterday

978
00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:50.920
<v Speaker 8>he said that he felt that it was wrong to

979
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:56.679
<v Speaker 8>use the notwithstanding clause after a law is adopted. So

980
00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:59.719
<v Speaker 8>if we cannot use it before and we cannot use

981
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:03.039
<v Speaker 8>it after, it means that mister Commy believes that we

982
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:07.159
<v Speaker 8>should never use it. But it is very important and

983
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:11.760
<v Speaker 8>the Ford case made it clear. The Constitution says how

984
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:16.280
<v Speaker 8>it should be used, but never how or what we

985
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:20.480
<v Speaker 8>will do with it, because it's the prerogative of the provinces.

986
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:26.440
<v Speaker 8>So do you want the Supreme Court to overrule another

987
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:30.239
<v Speaker 8>judgment of the same Supreme Court because you don't like it,

988
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:33.000
<v Speaker 8>because that would be being the hell of a politician

989
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:33.960
<v Speaker 8>as you define them.

990
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:36.519
<v Speaker 6>Well, let me just start by saying, first of all, yeah,

991
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:38.599
<v Speaker 6>thank you. I just started by saying, let's not let

992
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:42.760
<v Speaker 6>mister Paulyev get away with making this Ludacro's claim that

993
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.440
<v Speaker 6>anyone on this stage thinks that violent crime should get

994
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:50.239
<v Speaker 6>a less severe penalty. Obviously, that is not a special

995
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:54.400
<v Speaker 6>position that he's taking. Everyone agrees that horrible crimes should

996
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:57.760
<v Speaker 6>have horrible sentences. Judges are equipped to do that, So

997
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:02.280
<v Speaker 6>don't let mister Polyev's rhetoric confuse people. Obviously, everyone agrees

998
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.400
<v Speaker 6>that if someone does something horrible, they should pay a

999
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.320
<v Speaker 6>horrible price for it. There should be appropriate sentence that's

1000
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:09.840
<v Speaker 6>put in place by a judge. But what I'm concerned

1001
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:12.400
<v Speaker 6>about is all of what mister Pouliev's talking about is

1002
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:15.440
<v Speaker 6>after the fact. Now there's handus things that happen, and

1003
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:18.079
<v Speaker 6>there needs to be severe pedalies put in place. But

1004
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.400
<v Speaker 6>we also need to keep communities safe, and that's what

1005
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.960
<v Speaker 6>my focus is. Well, how do we stop crime before

1006
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:26.079
<v Speaker 6>it happens? Much of the violent crime that's committed is

1007
00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:30.480
<v Speaker 6>committed by illegal handguns and firearms that come across the border. Now,

1008
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:32.639
<v Speaker 6>mister Polyiev has admitted that as well, that it is

1009
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:35.840
<v Speaker 6>illegal handguns and illegal weapons that are used in violent crime.

1010
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:39.719
<v Speaker 6>So our plan is let's stop those illegal weapons getting

1011
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.079
<v Speaker 6>into our country in the first place. And the way

1012
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:44.840
<v Speaker 6>we do that is by having stronger border security officers

1013
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:46.440
<v Speaker 6>and having more people on the border.

1014
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:50.000
<v Speaker 7>Mister Pierre Pouliev, when he was in power in the Conservatives,

1015
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:53.559
<v Speaker 7>they cut the number of border officers. Okay, reduce the number.

1016
00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:56.119
<v Speaker 7>Let's speak inting our border, trust them.

1017
00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:59.199
<v Speaker 3>Let's take this Pauliev on the issue of whether in

1018
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:01.920
<v Speaker 3>using or not with clause under these circumstances would be

1019
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:04.760
<v Speaker 3>a kind of a slippery slope and encourage politicians to

1020
00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:05.320
<v Speaker 3>use it more.

1021
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:09.000
<v Speaker 5>No, we will use it to protect the Charter rights

1022
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:13.559
<v Speaker 5>of law abiding Canadians. I'm interested in the rights of victims.

1023
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:16.880
<v Speaker 5>Mister Carney seems to be very interested in the rights

1024
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:20.800
<v Speaker 5>of criminals. He says that it's dangerous for me to

1025
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:25.360
<v Speaker 5>ensure that mass murderers stay behind bars for life. You

1026
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:29.039
<v Speaker 5>know what's dangerous turning them loose on our streets. I

1027
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:32.400
<v Speaker 5>don't think you appreciate, sir, the chaos that is unfolding

1028
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:35.840
<v Speaker 5>in communities in Toronto right now. The police have been

1029
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:39.480
<v Speaker 5>forced to tell people to just let people let the

1030
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:42.000
<v Speaker 5>thief steal the car, when they break into the house,

1031
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.440
<v Speaker 5>just take the keys. Just let them take the keys

1032
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:47.400
<v Speaker 5>so that you don't get hurt. People are living in

1033
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:50.599
<v Speaker 5>terror in many of our communities precisely because of the

1034
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:54.960
<v Speaker 5>catch and release bail law see seventy five, which requires

1035
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:59.599
<v Speaker 5>judges release the accused at the earliest opportunity under the

1036
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:04.480
<v Speaker 5>least onerous conditions. Your every single member of your liberal

1037
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:08.360
<v Speaker 5>caucus and your liberal cabinet voted in favor of this bill,

1038
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:11.159
<v Speaker 5>and they are all determined to keep it in place,

1039
00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:16.599
<v Speaker 5>despite constant promises to the contrary, Mister Carney, Canadians deserve

1040
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:18.840
<v Speaker 5>to live in peace and security.

1041
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:22.079
<v Speaker 9>That is the right that I'm fighting for for a change.

1042
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:25.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm fighting for that as well. And let me be

1043
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:28.519
<v Speaker 4>specific about two things that have been raised. The first

1044
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:33.440
<v Speaker 4>is with respect to these issues of car theft, home invasion,

1045
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:38.679
<v Speaker 4>and I'll use the greater the GTA area where there

1046
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:39.960
<v Speaker 4>has been SARP increase.

1047
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:42.639
<v Speaker 9>How do you attack that? You attack it several ways?

1048
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:48.559
<v Speaker 4>One, you increase the criminal penalties for that happening, particularly

1049
00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:50.920
<v Speaker 4>if you're part of a gang, particularly if you use

1050
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:52.679
<v Speaker 4>the firearm, and you will do that, and we have

1051
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:55.079
<v Speaker 4>doing so, we've committed to doing so. You put in

1052
00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:58.360
<v Speaker 4>place a reverse onus in terms of bail, so that

1053
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:00.599
<v Speaker 4>it has to be proven that there's not a which

1054
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:03.039
<v Speaker 4>we've also committed to. And then you go to what

1055
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:05.719
<v Speaker 4>mister Singh was talking about, which is we have to

1056
00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:09.239
<v Speaker 4>reinforce our frontiers. That's why we're committing to an extra

1057
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:14.400
<v Speaker 4>thousand Canada Border Service Agents and extra thousand rcmps. That's

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<v Speaker 4>why as part of the Broader Fentanyl Initiative, where we've

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<v Speaker 4>added to the RCMP there, we've added drones, we're adding helicopters,

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<v Speaker 4>we're adding surveillance, and we're going to the other end

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<v Speaker 4>of the chain with respect to car theft, which is

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<v Speaker 4>tightening security at the ports. This is what we need

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<v Speaker 4>in order to get results. You need to focus where

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<v Speaker 4>at both ends of the chains.

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<v Speaker 3>In federal meeting, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to talk about one of the issues that

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<v Speaker 6>has come up is the idea of the public safety

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<v Speaker 6>concerns around the overdose crisis and how this is devastating

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<v Speaker 6>our communities. We're seeing so many lives being lost in

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<v Speaker 6>that we know that one of the ways to address

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<v Speaker 6>that is by investing in some of the solutions like

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<v Speaker 6>mental health services and rehabilitation services. Services keep our communit

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<v Speaker 6>safe having access to those good services. Both mister Carney

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<v Speaker 6>and mister Poliev are proposing cutting government spending and cutting

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01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:09.960
<v Speaker 6>those services. That's not going to make our community safer.

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<v Speaker 6>We need to see better investments in rebilitation services, more

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<v Speaker 6>investments in mental health. We need to respond to this

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01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:19.599
<v Speaker 6>serious crisis in our country with care and compassion.

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<v Speaker 7>I've met with Mom Stopped.

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<v Speaker 6>The Harm, an organization of moms that have lost their

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<v Speaker 6>children to this opioid over those crisis. They've literally had

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<v Speaker 6>their children have died because of this, and they they're saying,

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<v Speaker 6>we need to do everything possible to save lives, to

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<v Speaker 6>stop this death from happening. And I think we need

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<v Speaker 6>to listen to those moms, and that's my commitment.

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<v Speaker 8>Mich Blanche two things as rapidly as possible. First, we

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<v Speaker 8>believe that we should act on crime, gangs and organizations,

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<v Speaker 8>defining them as we do for terrorist organization. We have

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<v Speaker 8>to protect our kids from the violence of those gang

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01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:57.840
<v Speaker 8>from the drugs being sold by those gangs, from the

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01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:09.760
<v Speaker 8>guns and whatever else being so sale being by those

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01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:13.960
<v Speaker 8>gangs told and not so being you know, we purchased

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01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:18.639
<v Speaker 8>a thing and selling sod so by those gangs. And

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<v Speaker 8>we mostly have to protect our kids from being recruited

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01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:26.000
<v Speaker 8>by those gangs becoming violent at thirteen and fourteen and

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01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:30.599
<v Speaker 8>sixteen years old, because this is the real fear of

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01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:34.239
<v Speaker 8>parents like I am. This is a very dangerous situation.

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<v Speaker 8>I want to come back to immigration, because we said

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<v Speaker 8>that we would come back to immigration. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 8>the Century initiative A sad memory. Officially they said that

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<v Speaker 8>they had not considered Quebec difference, they had not considered

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<v Speaker 8>Quebec language. They wanted cannot that to be one hundred

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<v Speaker 8>million people country by the end of the century. Mister

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<v Speaker 8>Barton told myself told me himself that I've not even

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01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:04.719
<v Speaker 8>thought about the Quebec difference in that analysis. And one

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<v Speaker 8>of his collaborators is now a close consider to mister Carney,

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<v Speaker 8>which seems to be part of so of that kind

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01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:15.800
<v Speaker 8>of project or ideology. So it is impossible for Canada

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<v Speaker 8>to have all those people come into Canada. It is

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<v Speaker 8>impossible for Quebec to receive all those people. And in

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<v Speaker 8>Quebec we have the language and values and secularity of

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<v Speaker 8>this state issue, which is very important. So I say, pose, pose, pose,

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<v Speaker 8>Let's do things properly. Let's receive migrants in an orderly

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<v Speaker 8>fashion and successfully as a measure of respect for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, Miss Polly, if you wanted to work.

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<v Speaker 9>I speak to families all the time.

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<v Speaker 5>We're terrified by the scourge of drugs and illegal guns,

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<v Speaker 5>and we know those guns are not Grandpa Joe's hunting rifle.

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<v Speaker 5>So when the liberals try to ban hunting rifles, they're

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<v Speaker 5>really going after the wrong people. Ninety percent of guns

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01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:02.519
<v Speaker 5>that come in that are used in crime are smuggled

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<v Speaker 5>illegally over the porous liberal run borders the border. That's

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<v Speaker 5>why police is not true and that's whytally police the police. Actually,

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<v Speaker 5>if I could, the police actually endorse the police in Barry,

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01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:19.519
<v Speaker 5>in Peel, in Sue Saint Marie have all endorsed me

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<v Speaker 5>because they know that I will go after the gun

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<v Speaker 5>smugglers and criminals with two thousand extra border frontline border

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<v Speaker 5>guards that will stop the guns from coming in. But I,

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<v Speaker 5>unlike the liberals and NDP. I will not ban hunting rifles.

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<v Speaker 5>The liberals want to protect I want to protect Canadians

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01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:38.039
<v Speaker 5>from criminals. The liberals want to protect turkeys from hunters.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we know which one.

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<v Speaker 3>Makes this quick intervention, mister Carney. Then I got a

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<v Speaker 3>question for each of you before this segment's out.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, we absolutely fully support hunting rights of hunters and

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<v Speaker 4>Indigenous Canadians. But I want to I'm going to raise an.

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<v Speaker 9>Issue which is a serious issue about safety.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, there are people we're in Montreal, in Montreal, in Toronto,

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01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:03.159
<v Speaker 4>across this country who fear going to their synagogue, fear

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01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:07.039
<v Speaker 4>going to their community center, fear taking their children, leaving

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01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:07.800
<v Speaker 4>their children' school.

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<v Speaker 9>And this has to stop. This is on. It's totally unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 4>So what we're proposing is to make it a criminal

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01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:20.639
<v Speaker 4>offense to threaten or to impede anyone from being near

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01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:23.960
<v Speaker 4>or going to their place of worship, their school, their

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01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:28.280
<v Speaker 4>community center. It pains me that when we have to

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<v Speaker 4>do it, because this is not what we should be

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<v Speaker 4>doing as Canadians, of course, but we will put that

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<v Speaker 4>in place.

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<v Speaker 9>Let me get back, and this is a fundamental issue

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<v Speaker 9>with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Get these ten seconds from each of you before this

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<v Speaker 3>segments out on what you perceive to be the biggest

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<v Speaker 3>security threat to Canada right now ten seconds each, mister Poulief.

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<v Speaker 5>The physical security threat to our country is the rampant

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01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.960
<v Speaker 5>crime wave that is running out of control. After the

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01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:59.000
<v Speaker 5>last decade, we had one hundred and sixteen percent increasing

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01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:01.039
<v Speaker 5>gun crime. A large second criminals.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a holder of the ten seconds, mister Carney.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, well, we're in a security section. I think we

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01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:08.599
<v Speaker 4>didn't have a chance to talk about anything internationally. I

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01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:11.079
<v Speaker 4>think the biggest security threat to Canada's China.

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<v Speaker 6>China, you say, mister s biggest security threat legal guns

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01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:18.840
<v Speaker 6>and drugs coming across the border and cuts the services

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<v Speaker 6>that would make our public safety and security even worse.

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<v Speaker 8>Last words, the fact that neither Quebec or Canada is

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<v Speaker 8>able to protect itself and that we are still dependent

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<v Speaker 8>and entirely dependent on American to protect us.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that is the end of that section, gentlemen. Up next,

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<v Speaker 3>Energy and climate.

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<v Speaker 5>Improving pipelines, getting things filled, unleashing production.

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<v Speaker 4>We are unlocking major infrastructure projects, including in conventional energy,

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<v Speaker 4>oil and gas.

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<v Speaker 8>We're speaking thousands of dollars a year for each family

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<v Speaker 8>to pay for the damages of climate change.

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<v Speaker 6>We can absolutely build important projects like an East West energy.

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<v Speaker 3>Grid energy and climate change. I know how much all

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<v Speaker 3>of you love talking about pipeline, So here we go,

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<v Speaker 3>mister Singh. Do you first, should Canada build new pipelines

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<v Speaker 3>to get our oil and gas to market?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it's not an approach I favor with public money.

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<v Speaker 6>There's not any projects that are on the table, so

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<v Speaker 6>it's not a specific project to look at. I favor

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<v Speaker 6>when it comes to the environment, building an East West

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01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:32.480
<v Speaker 6>energy grid that connects low cost energy and allows for

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<v Speaker 6>families to reduce their electricity costs. But let's put this

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<v Speaker 6>all in context. We're talking about what our energy solutions

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<v Speaker 6>are in the context of a climate crisis, and we're

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<v Speaker 6>not just talking about a climate crisis in the far future.

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<v Speaker 7>We're living it right now.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember I met a mom a couple years ago

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<v Speaker 6>before I had kids, who told me she was worried

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<v Speaker 6>about taking her kids out on some days because of

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01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:55.760
<v Speaker 6>the forest fires in BC. It meant that it was

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<v Speaker 6>unsafe for kids to go outdoors. Fast forward to when

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<v Speaker 6>I became a parent just a couple years after that,

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<v Speaker 6>and I literally worry about the same thing. The forest

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<v Speaker 6>fires we saw a couple years ago meant that many

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<v Speaker 6>places that didn't see this before saw days where there

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<v Speaker 6>was such smoke in the air that.

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<v Speaker 7>It was dangerous for kids.

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<v Speaker 6>We see extreme weather, forest fires, heat, domes, floods impacting us.

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<v Speaker 7>We've got to do everything we can.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank time, mister Sting, that's time, mister Paulyev. Where does

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<v Speaker 3>fighting climate change land on your list of priorities when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to expanding energy opportunities in this country?

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<v Speaker 5>It lands within our priorities of bringing home jobs while

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<v Speaker 5>bringing down emissions around the world. Look, the reality is

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<v Speaker 5>that if we push production out of our country to

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<v Speaker 5>more polluting countries, it actually makes the problem worse. But

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<v Speaker 5>that has been exactly the liberal approach. With the antidevelopment

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01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:53.400
<v Speaker 5>law of C. Sixty nine blocking of fifteen LNG export plants.

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<v Speaker 5>Over the last ten years, we have seen more of

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<v Speaker 5>those jobs go abroad. I want to bring them home.

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<v Speaker 5>Will be to approve, for example, natural gas liquefaction and export.

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01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:08.639
<v Speaker 5>If we sent our gas to India, for example, to

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01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:13.840
<v Speaker 5>displace half of their demand for electricity, we could reduce

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<v Speaker 5>emissions by two point five billion tons, which is three

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<v Speaker 5>times the total emissions of Canada. That's the way we

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<v Speaker 5>bring emissions down and jobs up. It's common sense and

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<v Speaker 5>now it's time to bring it home.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, mister Pelliev. The next question is for mister Kearney.

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<v Speaker 3>How would your government fast track pipelines and mining projects

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<v Speaker 3>while also following the Supreme Court decision that requires consent

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<v Speaker 3>of indigenous communities.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think the first thing, and this goes back

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<v Speaker 4>a bit to where we started, which is recognizing that

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<v Speaker 4>we are in a crisis. We need to act with

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<v Speaker 4>maximum force and having a process and a consultation, but

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<v Speaker 4>a consultation with a purpose, which is to a dent

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01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:05.399
<v Speaker 4>those projects, those investments of national interest that are really

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<v Speaker 4>going to move the dial in terms of growth, jobs,

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<v Speaker 4>energy security, well being consistent with long term competitiveness, which

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<v Speaker 4>necessarily means lower carbon And so part of that process

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<v Speaker 4>is ensuring that First Nations indigenous peoples are there from

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<v Speaker 4>the start. It also includes their ability to participate fully

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<v Speaker 4>in those projects. And that's why and I'll I know you,

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<v Speaker 4>I can tell it. You've got to tell on when

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<v Speaker 4>I've gone on too long. So finish up, which is

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<v Speaker 4>that's why we're doubling our proposals to double the Indigenous

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<v Speaker 4>Loan guaranteed program to ten billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 9>What does that actually mean.

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<v Speaker 4>It means an ability for them to invest equity in

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01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:45.760
<v Speaker 4>those partners.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Mitell is my clock and my clock is at zero,

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<v Speaker 3>So that's how it goes. Mister Blanche, do you still

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<v Speaker 3>oppose pipeline construction in Quebec even though a majority of

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<v Speaker 3>Quebecer's now apparently say they support it.

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<v Speaker 8>We will know about that when we have the debate

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01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:02.439
<v Speaker 8>about that, which has not begun yet. We are just

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01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:07.600
<v Speaker 8>bigoting it first. We are hearing very creative numbers and

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<v Speaker 8>we are being fed nonsense and we will be back

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01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:15.399
<v Speaker 8>to it in a few minutes. But energy trade commerce

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01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:20.319
<v Speaker 8>is from south to north or north to south, and

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<v Speaker 8>it's true in Quebec. Also in a little more than

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<v Speaker 8>three years, Donald Trump won't be in office and there

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<v Speaker 8>will be not one more pipeline having been built once

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<v Speaker 8>we get there. So let's be serious, responsible and we

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<v Speaker 8>will be back with the numbers we don't want to

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<v Speaker 8>pay in Quebec for such montraosities which will provide us

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<v Speaker 8>with nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>We now move to open debate and you all will

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<v Speaker 3>get a chance or have had a chance to get

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<v Speaker 3>the first shot at this a Bishop Blanche, it is

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<v Speaker 3>your turn to get the first shot. Canada has a

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<v Speaker 3>substantial supply critical minerals which are in high demand. Are

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<v Speaker 3>you in favor of allowing these minerals to be mined?

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<v Speaker 8>Of course, it has to be done properly. Quebec as

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<v Speaker 8>probably the most important clean phosphat reserves in North America.

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<v Speaker 8>In Sagney Laxtansion, it is very important. It has to

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<v Speaker 8>be exploited. This is the best way to use Paul

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<v Speaker 8>Sagny as an infrastructure that we need. We have Licham,

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<v Speaker 8>everybody needs. The transportation has to be taken from oil

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<v Speaker 8>to clean energy. This is what we want to be

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<v Speaker 8>working on. It is part of the specificities specifics of

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<v Speaker 8>Quebec economy. So we are in favor of that. But

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<v Speaker 8>we don't want to pay for the thirty billions of

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<v Speaker 8>dollars which have been spent on oil and gas by

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<v Speaker 8>the Liberals last year. It's seven billions of dollars from Quebec.

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<v Speaker 8>We don't want to pay for the forty billions of

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<v Speaker 8>dollars which have been spent by the Liberals on Transpountain.

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<v Speaker 8>It's nine billions of dollars from Quebec. Those are sixteen

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<v Speaker 8>billions of dollars of which not one dollar has been

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<v Speaker 8>spent in Quebec to develop a lot more power and

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<v Speaker 8>wealth for Quebecers with our own money.

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<v Speaker 4>We need to let the leader of the Liberals respond, well, Actually,

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<v Speaker 4>I was going to pick up on the enormous opportunity

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<v Speaker 4>that exists in Quebec, exists in Ontario, exists in the

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<v Speaker 4>North of Canada, really exists across this great nation in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of critical medals and minerals. We are to have

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<v Speaker 4>one of the biggest resources in this country. And this

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<v Speaker 4>is it's not just enormous economic opportunity, it is a

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<v Speaker 4>strategic opportunity for Canada. So we have to make a

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<v Speaker 4>decision not just to develop it, but how do we

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<v Speaker 4>develop it and who are our partners for it? Do

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<v Speaker 4>we become more dependent on the United States, which is

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<v Speaker 4>what they want. By the way, President Trump this week

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<v Speaker 4>said you might put a tax on critical and minerals,

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<v Speaker 4>just showing again live if I may, and so the discussions.

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<v Speaker 9>That they go if I may, if I may, finish,

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<v Speaker 9>and finish, let me finish.

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<v Speaker 4>So the opportunity includes in Europe, and includes in Asia

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<v Speaker 4>as our partner's last point in order to get it done.

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<v Speaker 4>In order to get it done, we'll put in place

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<v Speaker 4>a first and last mile fund so these projects are

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<v Speaker 4>connected to road and rail so they can go quickly

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<v Speaker 4>to market, and we will have all of the other

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<v Speaker 4>fast tracking measures in place that I talked about earlier

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of capital timing approvals, so that we can

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<v Speaker 4>move quickly.

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<v Speaker 9>We can be stronger at home as.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think you should absolutely take advantage of the

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<v Speaker 6>fact that we've got incredible amounts of critical minerals in

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<v Speaker 6>our country. And the way we do that is with

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<v Speaker 6>any energy project or any project of this nature, make

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<v Speaker 6>sure it's got the local community buy in, it creates

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<v Speaker 6>good jobs and communities, make sure we are meeting all

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<v Speaker 6>our environmental needs, and we work with indigenous partnership.

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<v Speaker 7>And so I absolutely agree with that.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to build on something mister Blanche mentioned about

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<v Speaker 6>the investments that this country has made. What I find

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<v Speaker 6>very troubling is that the past number of years, the

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<v Speaker 6>Liberal government record is one where we have spent the

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<v Speaker 6>most subsidies compared to any other country in the G

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<v Speaker 6>seven on subsidizing oil and gas. These are highly profitable

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<v Speaker 6>companies you vote think that's the wrong thing to do.

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<v Speaker 6>We fought against it again and again vot and then

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<v Speaker 6>the Liberals have continued to do it. And so my

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<v Speaker 6>question really to mister Kearney is will you commit to

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<v Speaker 6>ending oil and gas subsidies. We should be using that

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<v Speaker 6>to invest in people, not giving it to highly profitable

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<v Speaker 6>oil and gas companies.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we talked, I promise mister Paull the next we'll

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<v Speaker 3>come back and get that question answered, mister Pollev.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, mister Kearney, you point out that Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 5>a wrongheaded idea of putting attacks on.

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<v Speaker 9>Our minds and our industry, and that is wrong.

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<v Speaker 8>But so do you.

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<v Speaker 5>You want to apply a massive industrial carbon tax on

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<v Speaker 5>Canadian mines, Canadian steel mills, Canadian aluminlin plant. You want

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<v Speaker 5>to lot to Canadian oil and gas plan and your

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<v Speaker 5>idea is to double the tax that Trump is applying

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<v Speaker 5>by hitting them a second time. This will do nothing

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<v Speaker 5>for the environment. It will actually ship our jobs south

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<v Speaker 5>of the border, President Trump.

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<v Speaker 9>Once.

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<v Speaker 5>My plan is to bring that production home here to Canada.

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<v Speaker 5>For example, I will give a tax credit to low

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<v Speaker 5>emitting Canadian industry like Quebec's aluminum for example, or British

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<v Speaker 5>Columbia's natural gas, so that we not only bring home

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<v Speaker 5>the production, but we do it below global average levels

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<v Speaker 5>of emissions the trends that we actually help the environment

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<v Speaker 5>while bringing home the jobs for our people.

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<v Speaker 9>At the same time.

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<v Speaker 5>That is, that is a sensible, pragmatic approach that puts

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<v Speaker 5>us in charge of our economic destiny, so we can

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<v Speaker 5>stand up to the Americans from a position of strength

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<v Speaker 5>for a change.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to get. I want to give you a

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<v Speaker 3>chance to speak to mister Singh's criticism about oil and

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<v Speaker 3>gas subsidies and mister Aliev's criticism about the industrial carbon tax.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'm going to make to make three points. I'll

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<v Speaker 4>make four if you want me to respond to that,

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<v Speaker 4>but I want to make three. The first is that

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<v Speaker 4>we answered I answered this question last night, but I

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<v Speaker 4>think the pucket already dropped in the Canadians games and

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<v Speaker 4>not everyone heard it. Yes, and to oil and gas subsidiesecon. Secondly, Secondly,

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<v Speaker 4>but I've done it independently. Secondly, recognizing that the biggest

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<v Speaker 4>component of that was the cost of building Keystone. Keystone,

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<v Speaker 4>which is the pipeline which has helped to increase oil

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<v Speaker 4>and gas or oil exports rather by fifty percent in

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<v Speaker 4>this country. That is an asset of the people of Canada.

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<v Speaker 4>We own it and the question what to do it

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<v Speaker 4>so it's not a subsidy that has disappeared, is actually

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<v Speaker 4>an asset of Canada. A third point though, in terms

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<v Speaker 4>of where the oil and gas industry, particularly the oil

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<v Speaker 4>industry needs, wants to and needs to go, which is

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<v Speaker 4>to become low carbon, low carbon in the production and

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<v Speaker 4>transportation of oil. One of the big projects we need

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<v Speaker 4>to move forward with is carbon capture and storage, the

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<v Speaker 4>Pathways project, so that we have oil and gas that

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<v Speaker 4>is competitive, not just today, ten years from now and

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<v Speaker 4>twenty years from now. As the world uses less we

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<v Speaker 4>want to have more market share.

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<v Speaker 9>We need to do my government. My government will move that.

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<v Speaker 6>But by definition of subsidy isn't when we buy a pipeline,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm talking about subsidies. They go to oil and gas

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<v Speaker 6>companies well dependent separate from the country oil and gas companies.

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<v Speaker 9>That's what the figure you quoted last night included the

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<v Speaker 9>cost of the pipeline.

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<v Speaker 7>You want to address dollars are spending. We got to

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<v Speaker 7>stop spending.

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<v Speaker 3>Can we can we get you to address his point

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<v Speaker 3>how industrial carbon.

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<v Speaker 5>How much will the industrial carbon tax added to the

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<v Speaker 5>price of a car?

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<v Speaker 4>So the first thing I want to say is we

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<v Speaker 4>have I'm going to address the broader point. Well, broader

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<v Speaker 4>point is the entire absence of a climate plan from

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<v Speaker 4>mister Polya, which, by the way, is going to put

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<v Speaker 4>our industry and our country at a disadvantage as we're

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<v Speaker 4>looking for new trading partners. Guess what most people want

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<v Speaker 4>to deepen our partnership in Europe, in Asia. Those countries

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<v Speaker 4>care about whether or not you've made progress. Second thing

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<v Speaker 4>is we're designing a program so that the big polluters

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<v Speaker 4>pay Canadians at home for making responsible climate choices, for

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<v Speaker 4>retrofitting their home, getting their emissions down, or improving otherwise.

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<v Speaker 4>And that is smart climate policy. It's better for the

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<v Speaker 4>big polluters and it's better for Canadians.

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<v Speaker 5>Mister Carney didn't answer my question. I asked how much

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<v Speaker 5>would then industrial carbon tax on Canadian steel add to

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<v Speaker 5>the price of a car. He won't answer because he

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<v Speaker 5>knows that it will be very expensive because there's lots

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<v Speaker 5>of steel in cars. Now, well, mister Carney has temporarily,

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<v Speaker 5>but do you.

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<v Speaker 9>Know the hid in the car throw a thousands of dollars.

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<v Speaker 9>Thousands of dollars, Actually, I actually do.

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<v Speaker 5>When you add taxes to steel, you raise the price

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<v Speaker 5>of everything that uses steel.

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<v Speaker 9>When you add everything.

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<v Speaker 5>Taxes, when you add, when you add, when you add

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<v Speaker 5>the carbon tax onto the price, for a example, fertilizer,

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<v Speaker 5>you increase the price of food. So while mister Carney

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<v Speaker 5>has temporarily hidden the Liberal carbon tax at the pumps,

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<v Speaker 5>while keeping the tax fully in law and planning to

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<v Speaker 5>raise it after the election, he's also going after a

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<v Speaker 5>tax on our industry that will ultimately be passed on

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<v Speaker 5>to you. After a lost Liberal decade of rising costs,

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<v Speaker 5>we cannot afford a fourth Liberal term. We need a

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<v Speaker 5>new government that will fully ax the carbon tax, increase

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<v Speaker 5>the jobs that we have here in Canada, and bring

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<v Speaker 5>down your cost of living.

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<v Speaker 3>We got just a little over three minutes left in

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<v Speaker 3>this segment, So mister Singer, want to ask you, do

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<v Speaker 3>you think climate change is still a priority from Canadians.

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<v Speaker 3>You're out there, what are you hearing.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, you speak to any young person and they think

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<v Speaker 6>we're seeing climate crisis in front of us happening right now.

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<v Speaker 6>Speak to seniors who say, you know, we used to

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<v Speaker 6>be able to live in our homes without air conditioning.

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<v Speaker 6>And now we're seeing heat crises in communities that never

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<v Speaker 6>had worries about extreme weather. We're seeing flooding, We're seeing

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<v Speaker 6>forest fires like never before. We're living in a climate crisis.

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<v Speaker 6>So Canadians are absolutely worried about it. As soon as

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<v Speaker 6>he come into a summer, we start seeing those forest

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<v Speaker 6>fires again. It's top of mind for Canadians because they're

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<v Speaker 6>living it, they're seeing it, and I want those Canadians

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<v Speaker 6>to know mister Carnie is not going to end those

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<v Speaker 6>phosiph subsidies unless I'm there to fight back. Mister Pouliev

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<v Speaker 6>wants to let big polluted is pollute as much as

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<v Speaker 6>they want poison our beautiful land or water air. He

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<v Speaker 6>wants to let them dump into our oceans. I'm going

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<v Speaker 6>to fight back and defend our environment.

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<v Speaker 3>Monsieur Blanche. On the issue of whether or not people

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<v Speaker 3>still care about climate change.

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<v Speaker 8>I think people should be kept very informed about climate

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<v Speaker 8>change because we are in a very strange denial situation

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<v Speaker 8>about climate change, which still exists and is very expensive.

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<v Speaker 8>And I'm sorry to crash your party, guys, but you

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<v Speaker 8>are telling fairy tales clean oil and gas is a

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<v Speaker 8>fairy tale. Large scales carbons sequestration. Sorry, I'm French, is

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<v Speaker 8>a fairy tail. It does not exist. If Albert I

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<v Speaker 8>wanted to exploit oil and gas and it were not

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<v Speaker 8>a matter of pollution, I wouldn't mind at all. That's

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<v Speaker 8>their business. Our own powerhouse in terms of energy in

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<v Speaker 8>Quebec is clean energy. We are the best place in

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<v Speaker 8>the world to achieve that. Our market is the northeastern part,

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<v Speaker 8>Democratic part of United States. We want to keep our

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<v Speaker 8>money to create wealth in Quebec for Quebecers. Let me

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<v Speaker 8>get mystery different because we can afford.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me give I will get to you because I

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<v Speaker 3>said I would. But you've taken a couple of hits

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<v Speaker 3>here and I want to give you a chance to

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<v Speaker 3>respond to some of the things that people on this

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<v Speaker 3>side of the stage have said.

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you well.

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<v Speaker 5>First of all, we do support protecting the environment banning.

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01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:52.319
<v Speaker 5>We want to ban the dumping of ross sewage into

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<v Speaker 5>our waters. We want to hold large corporations to high

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01:21:56.399 --> 01:22:00.159
<v Speaker 5>environmental standards to protect our water and air. But we

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<v Speaker 5>cannot do that by raising taxes and sending jobs overseas.

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<v Speaker 5>As mister Carney is proposing to do that has been

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<v Speaker 5>the approach of the last ten years of the Liberal government.

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<v Speaker 5>What the biggest companies that develop our resources say is

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<v Speaker 5>that we need to repeal the Liberal anti development law

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<v Speaker 5>CE sixty nine, a lot mister Carney wants to keep

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<v Speaker 5>in place. They say, we need to repeal the industrial

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01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:26.119
<v Speaker 5>carbon tax and get rid of the Liberal energy cap.

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<v Speaker 5>We need six months approval in order to get ART

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<v Speaker 5>to take back energy security and energy Soviets.

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I was born in for Smith in the

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01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:45.000
<v Speaker 4>Northwest Territories, just north of what the oil sands became.

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<v Speaker 4>When I was born and when I was growing up

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<v Speaker 4>in Edmonton early days, it was a fairy tale quote unquote,

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<v Speaker 4>But you know what happened, Canadian ingenuity, Canadian engineers, Canadian governments,

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01:22:55.560 --> 01:22:58.039
<v Speaker 4>both the federal government and the Alberta government got together

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<v Speaker 4>and created converted this.

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<v Speaker 3>If I may, I finish ten more seconds to finish place,

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01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:05.920
<v Speaker 3>let them finish this point.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the opportunity we have. That's the opportunity we have

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01:23:09.079 --> 01:23:11.000
<v Speaker 4>in carbon capture. That's the opportunity we have in small

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01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:11.840
<v Speaker 4>modular reactors.

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01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:12.760
<v Speaker 9>That's the opportunity we.

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01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:15.840
<v Speaker 4>Have in hydrogen Beyond this country can be a clean

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01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:17.000
<v Speaker 4>energy superpower.

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<v Speaker 9>My government will help deliver.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is time for this segment. Gentlemen, let us

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<v Speaker 3>go to our final theme, which is called leading in

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<v Speaker 3>a crisis.

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<v Speaker 7>Canadians know how to weather a storm. Canadians know how

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<v Speaker 7>to get through a difficult time.

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<v Speaker 8>If at the end of the day we end up

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<v Speaker 8>with the about in some of power, Quebec is safer

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01:23:36.680 --> 01:23:39.039
<v Speaker 8>than it could be in any utter scenario.

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<v Speaker 9>Now is not a time for weakness. Now is the

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<v Speaker 9>time to take back control.

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<v Speaker 4>Canadians are always ready when someone else drops the gloves.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Leading in a crisis is a pretty broad theme

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01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:53.760
<v Speaker 3>that allows us to explore many different avenues here, So

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<v Speaker 3>let's get to it. Mister Carne, you get the first

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<v Speaker 3>question this time. We haven't balanced a budget in this

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01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:01.239
<v Speaker 3>country in seventeen years, and ten of those years were

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<v Speaker 3>under your party. You have pledged to get us to

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<v Speaker 3>a balanced budget in three years.

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<v Speaker 10>Question is how.

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<v Speaker 4>So let me put this in the context of leading

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<v Speaker 4>in a crisis, which is, in a crisis, you've got

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<v Speaker 4>a plan for the worse. Worse is that the US

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01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:19.640
<v Speaker 4>actually does want to take us over. Secondly, you've got

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<v Speaker 4>to have a plan a plan to build, and I

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01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:23.640
<v Speaker 4>include a fiscal plan and I will get to that

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<v Speaker 4>in a second. The third thing is you need to

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<v Speaker 4>respond in a crisis with overwhelming force. You need to

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<v Speaker 4>think big, you need to move rapidly. The things we've

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<v Speaker 4>been discussing today are a subset of what we can

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<v Speaker 4>and should do as a nation, and we can deliver

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01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:42.439
<v Speaker 4>and government can play a role, but its role has

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<v Speaker 4>to be catalytic. And so our approach is that we

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<v Speaker 4>will slow the rate of spending. It's been growing at

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<v Speaker 4>nine percent a year operational spending program spending away from transfers,

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01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:54.840
<v Speaker 4>away from transfers into nine percent a year.

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<v Speaker 9>We'll slow that to two percent.

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<v Speaker 4>We will focus on a small amoun out of capital

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01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:04.560
<v Speaker 4>spending by the federal government in order to drive enormous

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<v Speaker 4>private investment up to half a trillion dollars by five years.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, mister Kearney. Ukraine surely constitutes a crisis leading

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<v Speaker 3>in a time of crisis. Mister POLLYV question for you,

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<v Speaker 3>if the United States withholds support from Ukraine going forward,

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<v Speaker 3>do you believe Canada should commit more to assist.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe we should continue to support Ukraine. Our party

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01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:33.079
<v Speaker 5>supported donating missiles that the Canadian military was decommissioning. We

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01:25:33.159 --> 01:25:36.960
<v Speaker 5>supported funds and other armaments to back the Ukrainians in

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01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:40.520
<v Speaker 5>the defense of their sovereignty. We also need to rebuild

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01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:44.279
<v Speaker 5>our own Canadian military because the Russians want to make

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01:25:44.319 --> 01:25:48.760
<v Speaker 5>incursions into our waters. We'll be buying four massive Arctic

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01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:53.760
<v Speaker 5>ice breakers. I'll be opening the first Arctic base since

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01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:56.800
<v Speaker 5>the Cold War in Canada CFB a Caloit. We're going

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01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:59.840
<v Speaker 5>to double the size of the Arctic Rangers and fill

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01:25:59.880 --> 01:26:03.399
<v Speaker 5>the vacancies in our Canadian armed forces. We need a

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01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:07.359
<v Speaker 5>change to rebuild our military, which has been so disintegrated

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<v Speaker 5>under the cuts and the mismanagement of the last ten years.

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<v Speaker 5>But we can have a change because we have the

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01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:17.640
<v Speaker 5>best soldiers, sailors and airmen in the world, and they

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01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:20.960
<v Speaker 5>will have full backing from my government if you give

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<v Speaker 5>me the honor of becoming Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>I may come back to that one in the open forum,

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm not sure we got an answer about Ukraine

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<v Speaker 3>on that one. But okay, well, going on, mister Blanche,

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<v Speaker 3>the answer was yes, we'll get more details perhaps as

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<v Speaker 3>we go forward. Mister Blanche, given the US trade war,

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<v Speaker 3>should any talk of a referendum on Quebec independence be

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<v Speaker 3>put on pause.

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<v Speaker 8>That one is easy. It will happen only after the

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<v Speaker 8>negotiation is over, and that's a good thing. I want

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<v Speaker 8>to say. I support the idea. We must help Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 8>but we also must help the civilians of Gasa, and

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<v Speaker 8>we must destroy Hamas, which is a terrorist organization.

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<v Speaker 7>You know what.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't want to be the leader of Canada. You

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<v Speaker 8>will understand that I don't want to be Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 8>But I can offer to be a partner, a responsible partner,

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<v Speaker 8>a collaborative partner. If Quebec is respected in its differences

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<v Speaker 8>in its aluminum industry and lumberwood industry, and culture and

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<v Speaker 8>French language and values of secularity of the state, which

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<v Speaker 8>is the price to be paid in order to have

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<v Speaker 8>real equality, then if we are respected, we will be

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<v Speaker 8>a partner, and then even Canada will be stronger in

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<v Speaker 8>its negotiation against Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what I am offering. Respect us, mister Singh.

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<v Speaker 3>I watched last night's debate. You seem very eager to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about healthcare. So let's talk a little more healthcare

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<v Speaker 3>right now. You have made many promises on healthcare. If

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<v Speaker 3>a province says to you, We'll take your money for

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<v Speaker 3>health care, but not your conditions on how to spend it.

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<v Speaker 8>What do you do.

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<v Speaker 6>We've got to negotiate. We can't be giving away money

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<v Speaker 6>without clear conditions. We're in a healthcare crisis right now,

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<v Speaker 6>and a crisis that is hurting people across this country.

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<v Speaker 6>People are waiting desperately in line in emergency rooms.

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<v Speaker 7>For hours and hours.

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<v Speaker 6>Seniors are waiting for years and years to get the

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<v Speaker 6>care that they need for surgeries that would remove pain

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<v Speaker 6>or help them deal with mobility issues.

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<v Speaker 7>We're in a serious crisis.

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<v Speaker 6>Healthcare workers are burnt out, they are overstretched, and what

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<v Speaker 6>we're seeing is more and more privatization and that is

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<v Speaker 6>hurting our public universal healthcare system.

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<v Speaker 7>So we've got to fight back against it.

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<v Speaker 6>We cannot allow our public money to go to a

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<v Speaker 6>for profit private clinic lining the pockets of a rich

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<v Speaker 6>CEO or investors instead of going towards care. We need

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<v Speaker 6>to make sure that we are investing in solutions where

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<v Speaker 6>care gets to people, not profiting those at the very top.

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<v Speaker 7>And so that's my commitment.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going to fight to metion we defend our healthcare

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<v Speaker 6>against the threats of American position and privacy.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we now go to open forum, debate and Prepsmister Pauliev,

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<v Speaker 3>you get the first word here. This might be a

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<v Speaker 3>good time to put a little more flesh on the

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<v Speaker 3>bone of what you think Canada could do for Ukraine

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<v Speaker 3>and see us backs out.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, And what my answer is that we should continue

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<v Speaker 5>to support Ukraine. We don't need to follow the Americans

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<v Speaker 5>and everything they do. When they're wrong, then we will

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<v Speaker 5>stand on our own and with other allies, and with

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<v Speaker 5>respect to Ukraine, that course includes support with intelligence, equipment, armaments,

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<v Speaker 5>but it also includes defunding Putin. Right now, Vladimir Putin

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<v Speaker 5>has a monopoly on the European energy market because frankly,

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<v Speaker 5>the Liberals blocked exports of Canadian natural gas off the

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<v Speaker 5>Atlantic coast. They've blocked multiple projects. I would rapidly approve

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<v Speaker 5>those projects on national security grounds so that we can

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<v Speaker 5>actually ship Canadian natural gas over to Europe, break European

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<v Speaker 5>depend on Putin, depind the war, and turn dollars for

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<v Speaker 5>dictators back into paychecks for our people.

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<v Speaker 4>Just current you wanted to add, well, I want to

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<v Speaker 4>go to the situation in Ukraine because's very important. We've

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<v Speaker 4>been a steadfast. Canada has been a steadfast ally and

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<v Speaker 4>Canadians have stepped up welcoming Ukrainians into their homes and

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<v Speaker 4>supporting them in other ways. You know, my first month

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<v Speaker 4>as Prime Minister, we joined the Coalition of the Willing

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<v Speaker 4>to support Ukraine as the US step back, so led

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<v Speaker 4>by France, the United Kingdom with Ukraine, number European nations, Australia, ourselves,

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<v Speaker 4>New Zealand. That's an example of how the new world

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<v Speaker 4>is going to be. Canada participating in these areas and helping.

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<v Speaker 4>It also means open trade. Mister Pouliev voted against free

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<v Speaker 4>trade agreement with U Traine Ukraine. It means aid for Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 4>Mister Pouliev wants to cut for an aid including for

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<v Speaker 4>Ukraine or not. You didn't mention support for aid for Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 4>We have to stand by them, We have to be

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<v Speaker 4>there in this govern and has.

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<v Speaker 6>New Democrats absolutely support standing with Ukraine and will continue

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<v Speaker 6>to do that. But I appreciate the opportunity in talking

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<v Speaker 6>about leadership and crisis, talk about many of the crises

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<v Speaker 6>that were up against, and one of the crises were

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<v Speaker 6>up against in our country with the threat of Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 6>with the threat of the trade war and with the

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<v Speaker 6>privatization and americanization of.

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<v Speaker 7>Our healthcare system. Is the healthcare system.

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<v Speaker 6>And what we have learned today. You know, mister Carney

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<v Speaker 6>mentioned slowing operation spending. That's a cut to services.

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<v Speaker 7>He set his plan.

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<v Speaker 6>He has a plan to balance the operating budget within

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<v Speaker 6>three years. That's going to require massive cuts to spending.

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<v Speaker 6>We calculated that at forty three billion dollars in cuts.

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<v Speaker 6>In fact, Rose Murray Barton when he was on the

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<v Speaker 6>show in February sixteenth, he said he would cut spending.

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<v Speaker 6>He said it would be in operations. He defined it

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<v Speaker 6>as transfers in health and finally, longtime liberal and former

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<v Speaker 6>House Leader Krina Gould.

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<v Speaker 7>Said that mister Carney's plans would mean massive cuts. That's

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<v Speaker 7>the only way to achieve it.

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<v Speaker 6>So, mister Karney, you think it is LEADLeadership to cut

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<v Speaker 6>healthcare at a time when it is in crisis.

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<v Speaker 8>I think it is wrong.

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<v Speaker 7>We can't do that.

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<v Speaker 4>We will not cut transfers for healthcare. We will not

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<v Speaker 4>cut healthcare spending full stop.

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<v Speaker 6>But we'll happen to retail if I mean, what do

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<v Speaker 6>we believe if mister Carney today or the one he

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<v Speaker 6>spoke at on Rosemarry Barton showing every sixteen I did

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<v Speaker 6>not one that.

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<v Speaker 7>Repeated again that he would cut spending by what do

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<v Speaker 7>we believe.

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<v Speaker 4>If I may consistently said, we'll preserve all transfers to

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<v Speaker 4>the provinces, including the increases. We will preserve all the

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<v Speaker 4>transfers to individuals include I won't detail them all, but

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<v Speaker 4>they're so. We're looking at addressing an operational spend which

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<v Speaker 4>is about one hundred and fifty billion dollars. We will

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<v Speaker 4>address that. We will make it more efficient, and we

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<v Speaker 4>will do it in three years and we'll balance that budget.

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<v Speaker 8>I am six minutes behind mister Carney, so I will

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<v Speaker 8>speak a little bit longer. First, I will support any

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01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:54.560
<v Speaker 8>initiative with will which will bring Canada aligned with your

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01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:58.119
<v Speaker 8>ROPE and NATO in order to be stronger and facing

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01:32:58.319 --> 01:33:01.800
<v Speaker 8>new treats. I believe that two persons won't be enough.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not more in favor of war than anybody else.

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<v Speaker 8>But we have responsibilities and our main alle is removing

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01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:14.319
<v Speaker 8>himself from the stage, so we have to step up.

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01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:16.600
<v Speaker 8>We have to do our part. I want to go

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<v Speaker 8>somewhere else entirely, However, I want to ask mister Carney

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<v Speaker 8>if we're speaking about leadership here, if Quebec and Canada

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<v Speaker 8>were to say you are not being given a majority government,

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<v Speaker 8>there will be more Conservatives than you would like, me

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01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:37.600
<v Speaker 8>be more the New Democrats than you would like, and

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01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:41.239
<v Speaker 8>more people from the blog than you would like. Will

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<v Speaker 8>you accept, because you don't seem to be very eager

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<v Speaker 8>about that, to deal with people which basically are more

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01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:56.239
<v Speaker 8>experienced than you, are, as legitimate as you are, and

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01:33:56.399 --> 01:34:00.399
<v Speaker 8>would be more representative altogether than you would be being

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01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:03.880
<v Speaker 8>alone in your little kingdom. And I will all suit

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01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:09.039
<v Speaker 8>you to propose to you all guys that one week

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<v Speaker 8>after an election, one week after the election, we all meet,

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<v Speaker 8>whatever the results, and we start dealing with this crisis together,

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01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:19.760
<v Speaker 8>because this is what people either they are from Alberta

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01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:23.239
<v Speaker 8>or Quebec or wherever, this is what people expect from.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that something you could get behind.

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<v Speaker 4>I look forward to meeting with everyone. You're welcome to come,

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<v Speaker 4>Steve if you'd like. We have choice, but better respectful.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm coming, Okay, I will I come to the court. Okay,

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01:34:42.960 --> 01:34:47.239
<v Speaker 4>I'll come to the court. But in a crisis, yes,

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01:34:47.399 --> 01:34:49.800
<v Speaker 4>you need a team UH and you need to bring

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<v Speaker 4>UH the country along.

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<v Speaker 9>With you.

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<v Speaker 4>So what I did in the first week was to

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<v Speaker 4>bring the premiers together, meet with all the indigenous leaders,

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01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:05.760
<v Speaker 4>uh and move forward in that context. Now the question

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<v Speaker 4>is who's going to lead out of this. Whoever leads

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<v Speaker 4>out of this, if I may, mister Blanche, whoever, thank you,

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01:35:14.079 --> 01:35:16.840
<v Speaker 4>whoever's going to lead out of this is going to

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01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:19.760
<v Speaker 4>need to work with all the provinces, work with labor,

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01:35:20.039 --> 01:35:23.680
<v Speaker 4>work with Indigenous leaders, work with all Canadians to bring

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01:35:23.760 --> 01:35:24.960
<v Speaker 4>them forward in a united front.

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<v Speaker 9>And one of make this last.

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<v Speaker 4>Point, one of the things that has happened, which is

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<v Speaker 4>a credit to those people at home, is that Canadians

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01:35:34.319 --> 01:35:38.840
<v Speaker 4>are coming together and it's our responsibility to meet the

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01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:40.239
<v Speaker 4>strength of Canadian unity.

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<v Speaker 8>A small point to make. You will be elected if

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<v Speaker 8>you are elected in the parliament where they are are

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<v Speaker 8>their leaders. I don't know if he called you, or

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01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:51.880
<v Speaker 8>mister Poe, I don't know if he called you. But

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01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:56.079
<v Speaker 8>before yesterday, you have not spoken to me once, even

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01:35:56.159 --> 01:35:59.159
<v Speaker 8>if I proposed it so many times. But you say

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01:35:59.239 --> 01:36:03.079
<v Speaker 8>I speak to provinces leaders. You're not elected in provinces.

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01:36:03.319 --> 01:36:05.640
<v Speaker 8>You are in the Parliament where people are to make

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01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:09.800
<v Speaker 8>decisions which might not always suit you, but this is

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<v Speaker 8>the Christian I'm going to tell men too much about.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to jump in here because I'm noticing what

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01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:17.359
<v Speaker 3>the clock is saying. And you brought up Gaza earlier,

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01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:20.159
<v Speaker 3>and I think our audience would be interested in hearing

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01:36:20.239 --> 01:36:23.760
<v Speaker 3>your views on the other major international crisis facing the word.

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<v Speaker 7>We want to get speak before we get that. Just

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01:36:25.680 --> 01:36:26.560
<v Speaker 7>finish up on the healthcare.

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<v Speaker 6>I just want to speak to healthcare workers right now

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01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:32.000
<v Speaker 6>who are deeply worried about the status of our healthcare system,

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01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:36.039
<v Speaker 6>to Canadians who believe and love our universal public healthcare system,

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01:36:36.079 --> 01:36:38.520
<v Speaker 6>to patients who are stressed out. If you're worried about

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01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:41.479
<v Speaker 6>wish mister CARNEI to believe the one today or the

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<v Speaker 6>one who spoke on Freebious shows that said he would talk,

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01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:46.760
<v Speaker 6>I goe for new Democrats and we will fight to

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01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:47.640
<v Speaker 6>defend our healthcare.

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<v Speaker 11>I thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Really like to hear what you have to say about

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01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:52.520
<v Speaker 3>this question, and we have less than five minutes for

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<v Speaker 3>it here. What role should Canada play in the other

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01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:59.520
<v Speaker 3>major international crisis in this world, in the Middle East

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<v Speaker 3>and the world Gaza pure Poliev. Would you start us

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<v Speaker 3>off on that? What rule can Canada play well?

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<v Speaker 8>First?

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<v Speaker 5>Of all, we must condemn Hamas and more importantly, the

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01:37:09.720 --> 01:37:14.319
<v Speaker 5>terror sponsors in Tehran who initiated the attacks, the horrific

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<v Speaker 5>attacks of October seven. We need to defeat the terrorists

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<v Speaker 5>so that all the peoples of the world can live

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<v Speaker 5>in peace and defend the right of Yes Palestinians to

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<v Speaker 5>have their own lives free from the oppression of Hamas

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01:37:31.319 --> 01:37:34.800
<v Speaker 5>dictators and Iranian intervention, while Israel has the ability to

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01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:36.720
<v Speaker 5>live in freedom and peace. But I also want to

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01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:39.199
<v Speaker 5>say we need to get back to the Canadian tradition,

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01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:41.800
<v Speaker 5>which is that when people come to this country, they

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01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:47.319
<v Speaker 5>leave foreign conflicts behind. The rampaging riots targeting Jewish communities

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01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:50.560
<v Speaker 5>is utterly unacceptable and it points to the growing chaos

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01:37:50.680 --> 01:37:54.359
<v Speaker 5>that we see in our streets. After ten years of

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01:37:54.680 --> 01:37:59.319
<v Speaker 5>incredibly irresponsible liberal policies, of weak borders, of dividing people

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01:37:59.399 --> 01:38:02.600
<v Speaker 5>into groups, of saying one thing to one group and

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01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:06.239
<v Speaker 5>the opposite to another, dividing and conquering. We must end

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01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:10.039
<v Speaker 5>that division and unite our people so that everyone feels

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01:38:10.079 --> 01:38:12.880
<v Speaker 5>safe and that when we come here we put our

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<v Speaker 5>foreign conflicts behind.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's not People come from countries from around the

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01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:20.680
<v Speaker 6>world and they care deeply about where they come from,

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01:38:20.920 --> 01:38:22.359
<v Speaker 6>and they should be able to do so. That's a

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01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:24.800
<v Speaker 6>part of being in our country to have that freedom.

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<v Speaker 6>Your treatment of Palacidians has been frankly discussing, Your treatment

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01:38:28.399 --> 01:38:30.880
<v Speaker 6>of people who provide care and service of people in

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<v Speaker 6>Gaza has been discusting. On top of that, people in

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<v Speaker 6>Israel and in past Une deserves to live in peace

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<v Speaker 6>and security, and mister Carney, to date you've not acknowledged

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<v Speaker 6>that what's going on in Gaza is now clearly become

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<v Speaker 6>a genocide. It's important to call things out as they are,

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01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:44.359
<v Speaker 6>and you've not done that.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Carney.

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<v Speaker 9>We need to work to go to your question.

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01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:51.079
<v Speaker 4>We need to work with our international partners, maximum pressure,

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01:38:51.119 --> 01:38:52.399
<v Speaker 4>maximum encouragement for an.

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01:38:52.359 --> 01:38:53.199
<v Speaker 9>Immediate cease fire.

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<v Speaker 4>Those first thing encourage the return of all of the hostages,

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01:38:57.000 --> 01:39:00.319
<v Speaker 4>resumption of humanitarian aid. My government put in place hundred

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01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:04.560
<v Speaker 4>million dollars of humanitarian raid which is ready to go.

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<v Speaker 4>With respect to where this ultimately goes, Yes to state solution,

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01:39:09.520 --> 01:39:13.680
<v Speaker 4>but it has to be a viable and free Palestinian

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01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:16.239
<v Speaker 4>state living side by side in peace and.

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<v Speaker 9>Security with the state of Israel.

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<v Speaker 4>I will underscore one other thing, mister Paulyev rightly mentioned Iran.

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<v Speaker 9>The Iranian sponsors in this region.

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<v Speaker 4>We have to be clear eyed about the fundamental risks

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<v Speaker 4>of Iran and do everything with our international partners to

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<v Speaker 4>check it and.

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<v Speaker 8>Turn it mis blanche. If we are to work together,

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01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:41.600
<v Speaker 8>we will have to be consistent. The Jewish community in

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01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:46.319
<v Speaker 8>Quebec and Canada is arressed by a very little minority

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01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:53.399
<v Speaker 8>of radical Islamists, and we don't don't do so much

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<v Speaker 8>to the law in Canada says that somebody may invite

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01:39:58.399 --> 01:40:04.600
<v Speaker 8>people to be violent, to propose genocide against another people

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01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:10.760
<v Speaker 8>if they can be hidden behind a religious motivation. They

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<v Speaker 8>are in agreement with that. They are in agreement with that,

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<v Speaker 8>They are in agreement with that. And we say it

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<v Speaker 8>is a crime to invite people to violence and killing

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<v Speaker 8>other people. And this is what is being done very

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<v Speaker 8>often in Canada in Quebec with the approval of the

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01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:30.760
<v Speaker 8>Criminal Code of Canada, and we are seeing this has

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<v Speaker 8>to be changed. We have to change what we do

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<v Speaker 8>before we want people elsewhere to change what they do.

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<v Speaker 3>Last minute in the segments Polief, this is.

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<v Speaker 5>About crises and leadership, and one crisis we have is

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01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:49.600
<v Speaker 5>in immigration. Because of this liberal government's commitment to a

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01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:53.600
<v Speaker 5>radical policy called the Century Initiative, which seeks to bring

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01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:56.359
<v Speaker 5>our population up to one hundred million people. They have

1840
01:40:56.439 --> 01:41:00.439
<v Speaker 5>allowed massive overcrowding in our communities. That is called housing

1841
01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:02.840
<v Speaker 5>shortage's job shortage, immigration.

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<v Speaker 7>For the government.

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<v Speaker 9>And if I could, I didn't interrupt you. I did not.

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01:41:07.439 --> 01:41:08.760
<v Speaker 9>I did not interrupt you don't.

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<v Speaker 8>I do not blame you.

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01:41:10.960 --> 01:41:11.560
<v Speaker 10>Let them finish.

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<v Speaker 5>I do not blame immigrants. I blame the Liberal government

1848
01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:18.319
<v Speaker 5>which brought this policy on. And mister Carney wants to

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<v Speaker 5>continue with the Century Initiative.

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<v Speaker 9>This is crazy.

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01:41:21.359 --> 01:41:24.039
<v Speaker 5>We have to get back to normal levels of immigration,

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01:41:24.520 --> 01:41:27.760
<v Speaker 5>get rid of the fraud in the temporary immigration system,

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01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:30.680
<v Speaker 5>and ensure that the people who come here can be

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01:41:31.560 --> 01:41:35.800
<v Speaker 5>arrive in numbers that we can house, employ and care for.

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<v Speaker 5>That's how it always was and that's how we're going

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<v Speaker 5>to restore.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, mister Polyev. That is our time for the segment.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are our five themes. But we are not done yet.

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<v Speaker 3>We are entering the next section of our debate tonight,

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01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:51.439
<v Speaker 3>what we're calling the Leader's Choice, something a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 3>Each of you will get the chance to ask a question,

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01:41:54.880 --> 01:41:58.359
<v Speaker 3>any question of any other leader. You can then debate

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01:41:58.640 --> 01:42:02.239
<v Speaker 3>the answer and each one on one will last for

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<v Speaker 3>three minutes. So mister Singh, you have the first option here.

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<v Speaker 3>Who do you want to ask your question of.

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<v Speaker 7>Mister Karney, Go for it, Miss Kearney.

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<v Speaker 6>As chair of Brooklyn Investments, your company is one of

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<v Speaker 6>the biggest tax dodgers in Canada. As chair, you prove

1869
01:42:16.159 --> 01:42:20.199
<v Speaker 6>decisions where Brookville Investments bought up affordable homes, kicked out

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01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:22.880
<v Speaker 6>the tenants and jacked up the rates. As Prime Minister,

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01:42:23.039 --> 01:42:24.479
<v Speaker 6>one of the first things you did was a tax

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<v Speaker 6>cut that helped out mostly millionaires. And you have a

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01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:32.039
<v Speaker 6>plan to cut services for people. Now I expect that

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01:42:32.159 --> 01:42:35.000
<v Speaker 6>of mister Pierre Poliev and the Conservatives. That's very much

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01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:38.119
<v Speaker 6>a conservative plan. But my concern is that doesn't sound

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01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:40.479
<v Speaker 6>like what people want for a liberal leader. So my

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01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:43.520
<v Speaker 6>question to you is, mister Carney, whose side are you

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01:42:43.640 --> 01:42:43.960
<v Speaker 6>really on?

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you, thank you very much for that question.

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<v Speaker 4>Mister sing I'm in the side of Canadians. I'm in

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01:42:52.880 --> 01:42:56.479
<v Speaker 4>this for Canadians. I work for Canadians. But you know

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01:42:56.680 --> 01:42:58.479
<v Speaker 4>I have to show that though no well, I have

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01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:02.119
<v Speaker 4>a track record of public service for this country. Go

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01:43:02.319 --> 01:43:08.479
<v Speaker 4>back to something mister Blanche referencedat earlier, which is have

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<v Speaker 4>I resolved any crisis?

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<v Speaker 9>We're in Quebec.

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<v Speaker 4>If you ask anyone in the finance industry, if ask

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<v Speaker 4>anyone in government in Quebec in two thousand and eight,

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01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:18.920
<v Speaker 4>they'll know that I resolved the biggest prices.

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<v Speaker 8>He'll do that in Quebec. Yeah, you want to have fun, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Is fairness too with mississions for these two Yes, I

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01:43:29.880 --> 01:43:33.039
<v Speaker 4>have had a long career in the private sector. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>proud of that career. I've always acted with integrity and

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<v Speaker 4>it brings me with experience that I can apply.

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<v Speaker 9>A moment of christ.

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<v Speaker 6>And you certainly have served the country, But the problem

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01:43:45.279 --> 01:43:48.000
<v Speaker 6>is who have you served. You've served to benefit those

1898
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<v Speaker 6>at the very top. You jacked up the price of

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01:43:50.720 --> 01:43:53.880
<v Speaker 6>homes for people living in affordable home as a strategic decision,

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01:43:53.960 --> 01:43:56.560
<v Speaker 6>you dodge taxes, and then your decisions at the Prime

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01:43:56.600 --> 01:44:00.279
<v Speaker 6>Minister show you're not prioritizing people, but you're probably saying

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<v Speaker 6>big business, the billionaires.

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<v Speaker 4>So the what what have we done as a government directly?

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01:44:05.800 --> 01:44:08.520
<v Speaker 4>So we've gone directly to workers, using all of our

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01:44:08.560 --> 01:44:11.760
<v Speaker 4>proceeds from the teriffs, committing all of them.

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<v Speaker 9>For workers, the workers most effective.

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<v Speaker 4>It is unlike others, unlike others who to use them,

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<v Speaker 4>use them to cut taxes.

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<v Speaker 9>We are focused on.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's not high enough, though you have to accept

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<v Speaker 7>that right now.

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<v Speaker 9>There will be additional programs.

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<v Speaker 4>I am fully confident that the next government, whatever government

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<v Speaker 4>is formed to certainly if I'm in the next government,

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<v Speaker 4>we will make additional programs.

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<v Speaker 9>But you did do for those works? Well, I can't.

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<v Speaker 9>You could couldn't. You couldn't given them were an election

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<v Speaker 9>could have increased I may I make a.

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<v Speaker 4>Core point here, if I may, which is that when

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<v Speaker 4>you think about workers here today and people watching it

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01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:52.239
<v Speaker 4>at home, particularly younger people, there is an enormous opportunity

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<v Speaker 4>in the trades, in the skilled traits. We are going

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01:44:55.079 --> 01:44:56.880
<v Speaker 4>to build this country in a way that has not

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<v Speaker 4>been seen before. We are literally talking about hundreds of

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01:44:59.720 --> 01:45:04.000
<v Speaker 4>thousd not jobs, but careers, and that's why we're investing

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01:45:04.039 --> 01:45:05.439
<v Speaker 4>in apprenticeships and mid career And.

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<v Speaker 7>I thin people are worried, misus Karney.

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<v Speaker 6>If new Democrats aren't there to force liberals to make

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<v Speaker 6>sure they remember about people, they will forget.

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<v Speaker 3>Gentlemen, that is time. Thank you for that, mister Blanchet.

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<v Speaker 3>You have the next question to whom would you like

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<v Speaker 3>to put it.

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<v Speaker 8>Mister Karney, You avoided quite quite, I would say skillfully

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<v Speaker 8>the questions of mister mister Singh. But first let me

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<v Speaker 8>correct something. In two thousand and eight, not so much

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01:45:32.640 --> 01:45:37.039
<v Speaker 8>by your decision, ten billions of dollars were given to

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01:45:37.439 --> 01:45:43.159
<v Speaker 8>car industry in Ontario, while sixteen millions, not billions of

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01:45:43.279 --> 01:45:50.159
<v Speaker 8>dollars were lent to lumberwood throughout the whole of Canada.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't believe that's the right way to manage a crisis.

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<v Speaker 8>Since you did not recoup the money from the car industry.

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<v Speaker 8>Then you have been the manager of Brookfield. It's supposed

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<v Speaker 8>to be a green investment fund, but we now know

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<v Speaker 8>that fifty percent of the investments of Brookfield is in

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01:46:12.359 --> 01:46:18.840
<v Speaker 8>fossile fuel. It's not so green. You seem to want

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<v Speaker 8>to support oil and gas industry. That's interesting. You want

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<v Speaker 8>to support prefab housing and it's also in the investments

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01:46:28.760 --> 01:46:33.439
<v Speaker 8>of Brookfield, but not in Canada. You want to support

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<v Speaker 8>nuclear power, smaller reactors, which are more dangerous by the way,

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<v Speaker 8>and Brookfield has investments in Westinghouse. You have within the

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<v Speaker 8>money of Brookfield in Bermuda and kaim and Allen thirty

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01:46:52.359 --> 01:46:55.600
<v Speaker 8>billions of dollars. Billions of dollars is lost for Canada.

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01:46:56.039 --> 01:47:00.760
<v Speaker 8>You are having your taxes being paid by families, workers

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01:47:01.399 --> 01:47:04.840
<v Speaker 8>helders in Canada and Quebec instead of paying your own taxes.

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<v Speaker 8>So I want to know, will you, before the election

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<v Speaker 8>reveal all the details of your assets as mister mister

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<v Speaker 8>Singh has done, as mister done, and as I have done.

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<v Speaker 8>We have a right under those circumstances.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's let them matter.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the first thing is I want to say a

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01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:29.399
<v Speaker 4>word about uh. I'll say word about broken. You know,

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01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:32.640
<v Speaker 4>this is a Canadian success story. It is the largest

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01:47:32.680 --> 01:47:36.359
<v Speaker 4>infrastructure investor and developer in the world. It is one

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01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:39.880
<v Speaker 4>of the largest, if not the largest developer of renewable

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<v Speaker 4>power in the world.

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<v Speaker 9>And who benefits from that.

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<v Speaker 4>That's Canadian pensioners, That's Quebec pensioners, that is teachers, that

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<v Speaker 4>fire fighters.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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01:47:51.199 --> 01:47:54.279
<v Speaker 4>A series of people, including individuals, including individuals on the.

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01:47:54.359 --> 01:47:56.159
<v Speaker 9>State, benefit from that.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, always acted with integrity, serve the shareholders of Brookfield.

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<v Speaker 9>When I was there, I have left that. I have

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01:48:06.079 --> 01:48:12.760
<v Speaker 9>followed all the rules well in advance, all like we

1974
01:48:12.840 --> 01:48:15.319
<v Speaker 9>all did, and working for the people of Canada.

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<v Speaker 8>What do you own why don't.

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01:48:17.279 --> 01:48:19.119
<v Speaker 3>Time is time?

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01:48:19.199 --> 01:48:20.359
<v Speaker 8>But do you own Blanche.

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<v Speaker 3>We're moving on to mister Pouliev now, who has his

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01:48:22.439 --> 01:48:24.760
<v Speaker 3>opportunity to ask the question of whomever he'd like here,

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<v Speaker 3>and that will be mister Carney.

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<v Speaker 5>But if I could book him again by starting by

1982
01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:34.479
<v Speaker 5>setting the stage. The choice in this election is, after

1983
01:48:35.119 --> 01:48:38.239
<v Speaker 5>a lost Liberal decade of rising cost and crime and

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01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:42.920
<v Speaker 5>a falling economy under America's thumb, do we want to

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01:48:42.920 --> 01:48:46.840
<v Speaker 5>elect them to a fourth term or do we want

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01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:50.039
<v Speaker 5>to change. Change that you can afford food and homes,

1987
01:48:50.159 --> 01:48:52.720
<v Speaker 5>Change that you can be safe on your street, and

1988
01:48:52.800 --> 01:48:55.560
<v Speaker 5>you're changed so that your paycheck grows faster than your

1989
01:48:55.600 --> 01:48:59.520
<v Speaker 5>cost of living. Change with a new Conservative government, because

1990
01:48:59.520 --> 01:49:03.319
<v Speaker 5>mister Carr is not change Scarne. In twenty twenty it

1991
01:49:03.399 --> 01:49:06.880
<v Speaker 5>was recorded you began advising Justin Trudeau. It's still the

1992
01:49:06.920 --> 01:49:10.880
<v Speaker 5>Liberal Party website today that you are Justin Trudeau's economic advisor.

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01:49:10.920 --> 01:49:13.960
<v Speaker 5>They might want to update your website on that. On

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<v Speaker 5>June third of twenty twenty one, you said that inflation

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<v Speaker 5>would be a sign of economic progress, and you advised governments,

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01:49:27.039 --> 01:49:32.680
<v Speaker 5>including Justin Trudeau's, your Liberal government, to print money, which

1997
01:49:32.760 --> 01:49:37.960
<v Speaker 5>led to the worst inflation crisis in a generation. Now,

1998
01:49:38.159 --> 01:49:42.000
<v Speaker 5>that means that mothers went to bed with empty fridges

1999
01:49:42.439 --> 01:49:44.920
<v Speaker 5>and empty bank accounts, worried how they'd feed their kids,

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01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:47.399
<v Speaker 5>That seniors worried they'd be evicted from their homes, That

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01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:50.720
<v Speaker 5>young people believe they'd never be able to own a

2002
01:49:50.760 --> 01:49:54.520
<v Speaker 5>home in the first place. Now, in retrospect, that you

2003
01:49:54.640 --> 01:49:57.479
<v Speaker 5>look back on the liberal decisions that you advised Justin

2004
01:49:57.520 --> 01:50:00.359
<v Speaker 5>Trudeau to take, will you looked at the case in

2005
01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:04.359
<v Speaker 5>the eye and apologize to the many people who suffered

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01:50:04.760 --> 01:50:07.760
<v Speaker 5>as a result of the inflationary policies that you advised

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01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:09.039
<v Speaker 5>Justin Trudeau to implement.

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<v Speaker 9>You know it's.

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<v Speaker 4>I said earlier, but I'm going to say it again.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you want to be running against Justin Trudeau.

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<v Speaker 4>Justin Trudeau isn't here.

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<v Speaker 9>Are you denied?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm here, economic advisor. I did not provide any of

2014
01:50:24.840 --> 01:50:27.039
<v Speaker 4>that advice. I did not provide any of that.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>Are you accusing your Liberal Party of lying about your roles?

2017
01:50:33.079 --> 01:50:34.760
<v Speaker 5>It says today you can go to the Liberal Party

2018
01:50:34.800 --> 01:50:36.439
<v Speaker 5>website now and it says that you are.

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<v Speaker 9>The way the way you judge.

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<v Speaker 4>The way you judge someone, in my view, is how

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01:50:42.359 --> 01:50:44.920
<v Speaker 4>they act, what they do when they have responsibility.

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<v Speaker 9>Twice I was a central bank governor and in both cases.

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<v Speaker 4>If I may, if I may, in both cases when

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01:50:50.720 --> 01:50:55.560
<v Speaker 4>I was responsible for inflation, inflation was less than two percent.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll add that when I was here responsible for the

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01:50:59.119 --> 01:51:01.199
<v Speaker 4>bank ac candidate was less than two percent.

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01:51:01.560 --> 01:51:03.159
<v Speaker 9>Our dollar was at parody.

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<v Speaker 4>That is the kind of success that I can deliver

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01:51:06.399 --> 01:51:07.920
<v Speaker 4>for this country coming on this crisis.

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<v Speaker 12>And what.

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01:51:09.880 --> 01:51:11.800
<v Speaker 9>Is that stake? What is that stake.

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01:51:14.479 --> 01:51:15.039
<v Speaker 1>We have had?

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<v Speaker 9>I'm a generation because the bringing back of the MPs

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<v Speaker 9>that are.

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<v Speaker 5>To the fallow Canadians crisis, which the last ten years

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01:51:25.720 --> 01:51:28.399
<v Speaker 5>has been about the liberals, the next ten years should

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01:51:28.439 --> 01:51:28.960
<v Speaker 5>be about you.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's time, mister Kearney. Good news is the next

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01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:34.720
<v Speaker 3>question is yours.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I'm going to ask myself a question.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, I'm going to ask a question which has been

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01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:48.039
<v Speaker 4>troubling me. And uh it's troubled me because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we are in a a very dangerous and divided world.

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01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:54.359
<v Speaker 9>Who is a two I'm gonna ask a question, mister Paulia.

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01:51:55.680 --> 01:51:55.960
<v Speaker 8>Why not?

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01:51:56.960 --> 01:51:58.560
<v Speaker 9>We're in a dangerous and divided world.

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<v Speaker 4>We talked earlier about the challenges in the Middle East,

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01:52:02.079 --> 01:52:07.600
<v Speaker 4>the threats from Iran, threats from Russia, Russia's aggression in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 9>We have the threats from.

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01:52:10.640 --> 01:52:14.359
<v Speaker 4>China, which I raised. We have the United States, which

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<v Speaker 4>is fundamentally changing. It's security relationships, it's commercial relationships. We

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<v Speaker 4>have all this, and in the context of that, every

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01:52:25.119 --> 01:52:28.920
<v Speaker 4>one on this stage, mister Blanche, mister Singh, myself, we

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01:52:29.079 --> 01:52:31.720
<v Speaker 4>have our top secret security clearance. We have our top

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01:52:31.800 --> 01:52:35.119
<v Speaker 4>secret security clearance. I got mine within three weeks. Wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>heart but I felt it was important that I had

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<v Speaker 4>it so I could be in a position to be

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01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:41.920
<v Speaker 4>informed about that dangerous world and take decisions.

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<v Speaker 9>Act.

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<v Speaker 4>And mister Poliev, it is now nine hundred and fifty days,

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<v Speaker 4>if my numbers are right, Since you've had the opportunity

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<v Speaker 4>to get your top secret security clearance and you've refused, why.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, first of all, I have got my security clearance

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01:53:00.880 --> 01:53:02.920
<v Speaker 5>when I was a minister. I got top secret clearance

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<v Speaker 5>at the time, so there's no problem getting that. But

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<v Speaker 5>when the government made this recent offer, they said that

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<v Speaker 5>if I got the secret security security clearance briefings that

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<v Speaker 5>I would be gagged under the security law and I

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<v Speaker 5>could be prosecuted if I spoke freely about matters of

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<v Speaker 5>foreign interference. Now, given that Canada has experienced Chinese interference

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<v Speaker 5>by Beijing, the government of China, in two consecutive elections,

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01:53:30.600 --> 01:53:33.880
<v Speaker 5>I needed to do my job to speak freely without

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<v Speaker 5>fear of prosecution, and that was not something I would

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<v Speaker 5>be allowed to do. Even Thomas Smulkaerr, the former leader

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<v Speaker 5>of the NDP, said that when he was the leader

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<v Speaker 5>of the opposition, he never would have accepted the kind

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<v Speaker 5>of a gag arter that your government and mister Trudeau's

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01:53:49.039 --> 01:53:51.640
<v Speaker 5>government was attempting to impose on me. And it's good

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<v Speaker 5>that I'd made that decision because it has allowed me

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<v Speaker 5>to speak freely about things like the case where one

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<v Speaker 5>of your candidates, ser actually said that he wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>send a political opponent to China under a bounty threatening

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01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:10.119
<v Speaker 5>his life or imprisonment, and you refused to get rid

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<v Speaker 5>of him. Now, it might have something to do with

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<v Speaker 5>the fact that you went to China not long ago

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<v Speaker 5>to get a quarter billion dollar loan for your company,

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<v Speaker 5>but the reality it is you refused to stand up

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<v Speaker 5>for a Canadian who was being.

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<v Speaker 9>Threatened by a foreign government.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was able to speak freely on that matter

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<v Speaker 5>because I refused the gag order that the Liberal government attempts.

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<v Speaker 9>Let them responsible.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know this a couple of interesting things. I

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<v Speaker 4>think people at home have seen, you know, robust debate here,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's been a robust campaign and it has not

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<v Speaker 4>stopped mister Blanche or mister Seeing a time during his

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<v Speaker 4>campaign by making challenges with respect to these issues. So

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<v Speaker 4>one can address it, I will observe, as someone with

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<v Speaker 4>the top secret security clearance that China is not the

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<v Speaker 4>only country that is accused of foreign interference.

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<v Speaker 3>And gentleman, that is to leave it a segment. That's

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<v Speaker 3>our time now. Closing statements are still a f few

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<v Speaker 3>minutes down the road, so we have a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of time for some quick hit Q. And as for

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<v Speaker 3>each of you right now, short questions forty five seconds

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<v Speaker 3>please on the answers, and we're going to go left

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<v Speaker 3>to right. As I look at you right now, Miss Paullyev,

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<v Speaker 3>you get the first question. To the best of my knowledge,

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<v Speaker 3>you have not offered a hard timeline as the other

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<v Speaker 3>parties have to meet Canada's NATO commitment of two percent

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<v Speaker 3>spending on defense. When would you hit that target?

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<v Speaker 9>Miaim will be to twenty thirty.

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<v Speaker 5>That said, when we renegotiate our trade to deal with

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<v Speaker 5>the US, I know it's their priority to see us

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<v Speaker 5>increase our military budget. One of the things I will

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<v Speaker 5>say to the Americans is the more free trade, tariff,

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<v Speaker 5>free free trade we have, the faster we can rebuild

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<v Speaker 5>our military in Canada and reassert our sovereignty. And we

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<v Speaker 5>will use that money to have heavy ice breakers in

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<v Speaker 5>the North, beside an aircraft fighter jets, a new base

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<v Speaker 5>in the North, double the Arctic Rangers, fill the vacancies

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<v Speaker 5>in the armed forces, and rebuild warrior spirit that characterized

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<v Speaker 5>our military since the birth of our country. We will

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<v Speaker 5>rebuild our forces and we will stand behind our veterans.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, mister Poliev. Miss Carney, your question. You have

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<v Speaker 3>cut both the consumer carbon tax and the capital gains

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<v Speaker 3>tax increase that you inherited from your predecessor. Is that

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<v Speaker 3>an admission that the Liberals made life less affordable for Canadians?

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<v Speaker 4>I think the Let me give you the rationale behind

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<v Speaker 4>both of those changes. First, with respect to the consumer

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<v Speaker 4>carbon tax, in effect, it'd become too divisive for Canadians.

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<v Speaker 4>Canadians received rebates on the whole, they received more than

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<v Speaker 4>the tax actually was, but some had represented that it

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<v Speaker 4>was a tax without a rebate. It became divisive, It

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<v Speaker 4>didn't serve its purpose. It made a relatively modest contribution

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<v Speaker 4>to overall climate goals. I got rid of it first

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<v Speaker 4>Act made Canadians whole. Secondly, but with respect the capital

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<v Speaker 4>gains taxes come up again.

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<v Speaker 9>I'll be quick.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a fundamental issue. We need to build this country. Builders, innovators,

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<v Speaker 4>entrepreneurs need to be rewarded.

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<v Speaker 9>That's why I brought it back.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's time. Thank you, mister Singh. Would you change

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<v Speaker 3>the existing cap on immigration?

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<v Speaker 6>I've said that the level of immigration. First of all,

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<v Speaker 6>we need immigration. It's fundamentally important to our country. And

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<v Speaker 6>we speak to any small business owner, We speak to

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<v Speaker 6>people here in Quebec, you speak to farmers.

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<v Speaker 7>It's fundamentally important.

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<v Speaker 6>A couple of things though, we know we need to

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<v Speaker 6>be able to set the amount of folks that we

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<v Speaker 6>welcome to our country at a level that it meets

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<v Speaker 6>our needs. So I would ensure that we've got an

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<v Speaker 6>expert panel that makes that determination based on our economic needs.

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<v Speaker 6>We also know that we should be very clear that

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<v Speaker 6>the lack of investment from liberals and conservatives resulted in

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<v Speaker 6>the fact that we have a shortage in housing. That's

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<v Speaker 6>something that we've got to fix. I should also point

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<v Speaker 6>out that if you were worried about the cuts being

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<v Speaker 6>proposed by Liberals and Conservatives, vote for new Democrats will

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<v Speaker 6>fight back to protect Canadians and make sure that we've

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<v Speaker 6>got the right immigration levels.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you mister saying that's time, mister Blouche. Quebec I

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<v Speaker 3>believe is now the only province with a carbon tax.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that's fair.

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<v Speaker 8>It's not entirely true. It's not a tax. What Quebec

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<v Speaker 8>as is a system by which we invite big, big

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<v Speaker 8>emission companies I don't knowder to translate that to reduce

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<v Speaker 8>their emissions. If they do not, then they have to pay.

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<v Speaker 8>It goes into a fund which is invested then in

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<v Speaker 8>reducing emissions. Our partner is California, which makes this a

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<v Speaker 8>huge deal about reducing emissions. This is what we do.

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<v Speaker 8>This is to be compared to what Europe does. And

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<v Speaker 8>by the way, Europe would impost tariffs on Canadian oil

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<v Speaker 8>if it ever got there. We're quite proud of that,

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<v Speaker 8>and we have to be responsible because this is much

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<v Speaker 8>less expensive than climate that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Time We're going to do another set of quick hits

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<v Speaker 3>here left to right again and thirty seconds this time,

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<v Speaker 3>Mischie Pollie, if you've previously promised to defund the CBC

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<v Speaker 3>as one of your very first acts as Prime minister,

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<v Speaker 3>is that still the plan.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, CBC will continue to operate as a self funded,

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<v Speaker 5>Canadian owned and controlled non for profit that raises money

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<v Speaker 5>like other media organizations through sponsorships, subscriptions, advertising, licensing fees

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<v Speaker 5>and countless other things that will ensure Canadians who still

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<v Speaker 5>want to listen and view its content, we'll be able

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<v Speaker 5>to do so, and at the same time will allow

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<v Speaker 5>freedom of the press so that everybody has their voice

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<v Speaker 5>heard and they can make their own decisions.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, mister Carney. The next question to you thirty

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<v Speaker 3>seconds would you remove some of Canada's legal tax avoidance

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<v Speaker 3>loopholes that companies that you have worked for have used.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I think that what we need to do is

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<v Speaker 4>undertake a comprehensive review of our corporate tax system and

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<v Speaker 4>do that on the base of the right principles. We've

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<v Speaker 4>got to have fairness, transparency, sustainability and competitiveness, so we

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<v Speaker 4>need a tax system. A corporate tax system including being

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<v Speaker 4>part of a international minimum corporate tax through the OECD.

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<v Speaker 8>And that is time.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Sing. The question for you is, if you hold

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<v Speaker 3>the balance of power after this election is over, what

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<v Speaker 3>would your price be to support another party.

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<v Speaker 7>We've laid out our priorities.

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<v Speaker 6>We want to make sure we bring down the costs

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<v Speaker 6>of groceries, built homes that people can afford. I can

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<v Speaker 6>also tell you that we would defend CBC unlike mister

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<v Speaker 6>Polyeffory wants to cut it, and we would close tax

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<v Speaker 6>loopholes and offshore tax evens, even though mister Carney didn't

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<v Speaker 6>respond to that. And selling stocks and shares to make

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<v Speaker 6>profits and then having less taxes on that is not

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<v Speaker 6>hard work and so those aren't the job creators. The

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<v Speaker 6>people who are job creators are the hard working men

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<v Speaker 6>and women that contribute to our economy.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, mister Sing. Misie Bloche kind of the same question.

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<v Speaker 3>If you hold the balance of power in the next

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<v Speaker 3>minority parliament, if it is that, what would be the

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<v Speaker 3>price of your support.

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<v Speaker 8>Respect for Quebec. That's quite easy. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 8>go against what Canada wants to do for itself, but

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<v Speaker 8>I don't want Canada to impose an economic vision or

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<v Speaker 8>a multiculturalist vision on Quebec which is different in terms

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<v Speaker 8>of language and values and secularity and equality between people.

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<v Speaker 8>So I want to be a partner, and if Quebec

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<v Speaker 8>is respected, Canada has nothing to fear from the block

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<v Speaker 8>because we vote for what is good for Quebec, it

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<v Speaker 8>only has to be good for Quebec.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, mister Blanche. Now we have one last question

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<v Speaker 3>for each of you. Will go right to left this

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<v Speaker 3>time as I look at you, a bit of an

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<v Speaker 3>offbeat question, mister Blanchet, what is your biggest regret during

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<v Speaker 3>this campaign?

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<v Speaker 8>That's a very good question. I'm not very fond of regrets,

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<v Speaker 8>I would say, but we should have started sooner to

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<v Speaker 8>see that we had to create the environment and for

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<v Speaker 8>a deal in which Quebec and Canada would be one

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<v Speaker 8>bigger than the other, but partners to be stronger in

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<v Speaker 8>front of mister Trump and showing that maybe nobody here

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<v Speaker 8>is the partner to let go alone without being surveyed

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<v Speaker 8>or controlled or supervised by a chemic voice.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, mister Bloche. Same question, mister Singing, your biggest

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<v Speaker 3>regret of this campaign.

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<v Speaker 6>Not being able to meet as many people as I

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<v Speaker 6>would love to have. It's a short campaign and so

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<v Speaker 6>I can't get to as many communities that I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 6>I think one of the honors of my job is

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<v Speaker 6>to be able to meet people and to hear their stories,

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<v Speaker 6>and then to take their stories and concerns and bring

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<v Speaker 6>them to Ottawa and to fight for those people. And

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<v Speaker 6>so I want you to know, even if having made

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<v Speaker 6>it to your community, I'm going to fight like hell

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<v Speaker 6>to make sure that you're represented, that we never let

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<v Speaker 6>any government cut our healthcare, that we defend the values

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<v Speaker 6>that we care so deeply about.

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<v Speaker 7>We make my life more affordable.

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<v Speaker 6>That's my commitment to you, even if I didn't get

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<v Speaker 6>to see you, that's my commitment.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, mister Singh, mister Kearney. Same question, biggest regret of.

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<v Speaker 4>The campaign, I'm to be honest, it was. It's the

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<v Speaker 4>same answer. This is an astonishing country. It is an

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<v Speaker 4>amazing country, and the opportunity and the responsibility that comes

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<v Speaker 4>with it of being with Canadians, hearing their stories, their challenges,

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<v Speaker 4>drawing strength and ideas from them, and being working to

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<v Speaker 4>be part of the solution is the greatest honor of

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<v Speaker 4>my life.

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<v Speaker 9>But the regret is that it is also a big

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<v Speaker 9>country and it is a short period of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Paulieth, less word deal.

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<v Speaker 5>I actually agree with these two gentlemen. I had a

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<v Speaker 5>rule that at all my rallies, even when they're really big,

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<v Speaker 5>I would stand in front of a flag and greet

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<v Speaker 5>every single person and hear their stories and learn their struggles.

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<v Speaker 5>And that was always touching to me that they would

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<v Speaker 5>put their faith in me or in any of us.

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<v Speaker 5>But we've been in such a rush because we have

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<v Speaker 5>to get off to the next event, so we haven't

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<v Speaker 5>been able to stop and do that. And I want

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<v Speaker 5>you to know out there I haven't forgot about yet.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Polyev. It is time now for closing statements, and

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<v Speaker 3>prior to the debate you drew lots as to which

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<v Speaker 3>order we would go in, and mister Singh, you get

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<v Speaker 3>the first word on a closing statement.

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<v Speaker 7>Certainly, thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>Because you've voted for New Democrats, we were able to

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<v Speaker 6>build this country that we love, universal health care and

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<v Speaker 6>pensions because you voted for us. Because you voted for

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<v Speaker 6>New Democrats, we were able to fight to bring in

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<v Speaker 6>dental care, pharmacare, and childcare.

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<v Speaker 7>Because you've voted for us.

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<v Speaker 6>Because you supported us, you have the power with your

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<v Speaker 6>vote to send more new Democrats to Ottawa to continue

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<v Speaker 6>that fight to make sure that no government cuts the

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<v Speaker 6>things that we hold dear, like our healthcare, to show

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<v Speaker 6>that we can do everything possible to make life more

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<v Speaker 6>affordable by making it more affordable to buy your groceries

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<v Speaker 6>and to get a home. I'm asking for your support

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<v Speaker 6>in this election so that i can continue to fight

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<v Speaker 6>to defend the things that make Canada Canada, the things

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<v Speaker 6>that we hold dear, the things that make us proud

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<v Speaker 6>to be Canadian.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, mister saying mister Carty.

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<v Speaker 4>We are facing the biggest crisis of our lifetimes. Donald

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is trying to fundamentally change the world economy, the

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<v Speaker 4>trading system. But really what he's trying to do to Canada,

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<v Speaker 4>he's trying to break us. So the US canonas they

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<v Speaker 4>want our land, they want our resources, they want our water,

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<v Speaker 4>they want our country. We're all going to stand up

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<v Speaker 4>against Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 4>I've managed crisis over the years. I've built strong economies.

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<v Speaker 4>We will fight back with counter terriffs. We will protect

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<v Speaker 4>our workers in those businesses, and we will build the

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<v Speaker 4>strongest economy. We will build Canada strong. I'm asking for

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<v Speaker 4>your support the honor of doing so.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Thank you, mister Carney, Monsieur Blanche for.

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<v Speaker 8>Two hundred and sixty years and a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 8>Leave Francie new d Canezier d Canezien, Francis if nude

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<v Speaker 8>the Quebequa. You have tried to have them become Canadians

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<v Speaker 8>like all Canadians, but to no avail. We are different.

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<v Speaker 8>So let's be economic partners. Let's have a voice chosen

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<v Speaker 8>by and for Quebecers and a lie for Canadians as equals.

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<v Speaker 8>In front of mister Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Monsieur Poiliev.

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<v Speaker 5>Only in Canada could someone start where I began and

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<v Speaker 5>get to the stage. I was born to a single

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<v Speaker 5>mother and adopted by school teachers who raised me to

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<v Speaker 5>believe in the incredible Canadian promise that anyone who worked

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<v Speaker 5>hard could do anything. That promise feels broken today. Many

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<v Speaker 5>of you worried about paying your bills, feeding your families wherever,

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<v Speaker 5>even owning a home. You're worried your kids are in danger.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'm here to say doesn't have to be this way.

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<v Speaker 5>With change, we can restore the Canadian promise, so that

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<v Speaker 5>hard work gets you a beautiful house on a safe

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<v Speaker 5>street under a proud flag.

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<v Speaker 9>We can do it with hope for a change.

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<v Speaker 3>Gentlemen, thank you for a very spirited debate tonight. Two

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<v Speaker 3>quick points before we go. Number One, one of you

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<v Speaker 3>celebrated your sixtieth birthday yesterday on this stage here Francois

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<v Speaker 3>Blanche Bonneni Versaergoon. Secondly, you'll notice we didn't have to

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<v Speaker 3>change the time of this debate because the Leafs already

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<v Speaker 3>clinched the Atlantic Division title, and therefore we didn't need

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<v Speaker 3>to move the debate to accommodate a hockey game. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>getting back at my colleague who was in this position

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<v Speaker 3>last night, and okay, gohabs go, that's fine with that.

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<v Speaker 3>We're done. Thank you leaders for being here tonight. We

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<v Speaker 3>are just eleven days from election day April twenty eighth,

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<v Speaker 3>but there are many ways that you can cast your

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<v Speaker 3>ballots starting tomorrow at advance polls. If you intend to

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<v Speaker 3>vote by mail, that deadline is April twenty second. Make

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<v Speaker 3>sure to check your voter card for details or contact

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<v Speaker 3>Elections Canada. This is your democratic right and we hope

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<v Speaker 3>you use it. Thank you so much for being with

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<v Speaker 3>us tonight. I'm Steve Paikin good night from Montreal.

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<v Speaker 8>I thank you enjoying that.

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<v Speaker 13>Let the need that s Yeah, I've got a question

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<v Speaker 13>for alban easy question for Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 6>I've got a question for both leaders.

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<v Speaker 7>Prime Minister, what are you going to do to help

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<v Speaker 7>my children own a home in the future? How will

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<v Speaker 7>his government will support new businesses?

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<v Speaker 2>So my question is when are you going to lower

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<v Speaker 2>the cost of living for young people?

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<v Speaker 12>Wanting to know how people can believe you about your

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<v Speaker 12>energy policies.

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<v Speaker 11>How are the federal government cardless solutions regarding health and

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<v Speaker 11>education in Central Australia.

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<v Speaker 8>Are you seriously going to hang on to your nuclear plan?

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<v Speaker 11>How we can help the world to be a better

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<v Speaker 11>place so that we can have a less war or

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<v Speaker 11>even no war in this world.

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<v Speaker 8>How are we going to move forward maintaining the democracy

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<v Speaker 8>and the type of life that we have living in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what you're going to do with the situation with

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump and his charge.

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<v Speaker 11>It's the halfway mark of the election campaign and tonight's

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<v Speaker 11>the two men who want to run the country after

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<v Speaker 11>May three face off. Live at a critical moment in

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<v Speaker 11>this contest, Anthony Albanezi and Peter Dutton are running out

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<v Speaker 11>of time to make their case. We've been listening to

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<v Speaker 11>your questions and in the moment that's enhancewers. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 11>the ABC News Leaders Debate. Good evening from the ABC's

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<v Speaker 11>new Paramatta Studios in Sydney's West.

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<v Speaker 9>It's terrific to have your company.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm your moderator David Spears, and you've just heard from

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<v Speaker 11>some of the Australians whose voices have helped inform me

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<v Speaker 11>as I've prepared for tonight's debate. My goal is to

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<v Speaker 11>help you understand the plan these two leaders have for

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<v Speaker 11>Australia's future. Because we meet tonight at a time of

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<v Speaker 11>great global uncertainty. Who has the vision to help chart

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<v Speaker 11>a course through these tumultuous times We're about to find out.

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<v Speaker 11>So let's get started. I want to welcome to the

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<v Speaker 11>studio Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi and Opposition leader Eater Duck. Gentlemen, No,

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<v Speaker 11>good evening. Thank you both very much for joining us tonight.

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<v Speaker 11>Let's just start with some rules of engagement. You'll both

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<v Speaker 11>have sixty seconds for your opening statements, and then at

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<v Speaker 11>the end sixty seconds for your closing statements.

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<v Speaker 8>Beyond that, I.

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<v Speaker 11>Don't really want to be running a stopwatch on every

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<v Speaker 11>word that's spoken tonight. We do want to have a genuine,

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<v Speaker 11>free flowing debate. My goal is to try and make

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<v Speaker 11>sure you both have equal time. We also want this

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<v Speaker 11>to be a productive conversation that does help Australians better

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<v Speaker 11>understand your competing visions, not just an opportunity to attack

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<v Speaker 11>one another. Mister Dutton, you won the coin toss and

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<v Speaker 11>will speak first over to you.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, David, thank you very much. Firstly, thank you to

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<v Speaker 12>the ABC for hosting tonight, thank you Anthony for being here,

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<v Speaker 12>and thank you to every Australian who's taking an interest

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<v Speaker 12>in what I think is an incredibly important election. As

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<v Speaker 12>we approach the third of May, many Australians will be

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<v Speaker 12>asking themselves are you better off today than you were

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<v Speaker 12>three years ago? And as I've moved around the country

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<v Speaker 12>and spoken to literally thousands of Australians, young families, pensioners,

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<v Speaker 12>people in small businesses, it's been obvious to me that

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<v Speaker 12>people don't feel better off. People have faced an existential

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<v Speaker 12>cost of living crisis, people have seen food prices go up,

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<v Speaker 12>by thirty percent. Their mortgages have gone up on twelve occasions.

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<v Speaker 12>And our plan is to get our country back on track,

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<v Speaker 12>to make sure that we can help young Australians realize

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<v Speaker 12>the dream of home ownership again, to make sure that

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<v Speaker 12>we can help manage the economy so that we can

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<v Speaker 12>get inflation down and if we do that, that will

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<v Speaker 12>lower interest rates. We want to help people with the

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<v Speaker 12>cost of living crisis. We want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 12>we can give twelve hundred dollars back to Australians, money

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<v Speaker 12>that they've worked hard for and reduced their petrol price

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<v Speaker 12>by twenty five cents a lead, mister Raben easy, you're

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<v Speaker 12>opening statement.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, thanks very much, David, and thanks to the ABC,

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<v Speaker 14>and thanks Peter for agreeing to a second debate. I'm

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<v Speaker 14>really optimistic about Australia's future if we seize the opportunities

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<v Speaker 14>that are right in front of us because of the

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<v Speaker 14>hard work that Australians have done over the last three years,

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<v Speaker 14>or we're turning the corner. We have inflation that's down,

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<v Speaker 14>we have real wages that are up, we have unemployment

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<v Speaker 14>that's very low at just four point one percent, and

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<v Speaker 14>interest rates have started a fall they started to rise

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<v Speaker 14>before the last election, but we know that there's much

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<v Speaker 14>more work to do, and that's why we have a plan,

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<v Speaker 14>A plan to cut taxes, not raise them, a plan

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<v Speaker 14>to make sure that we make things here in Australia

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<v Speaker 14>through our future Made in Australia plan. Strengthening medicare through

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<v Speaker 14>more urgent care clinics, lifting the bulk billing rates, having

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<v Speaker 14>cheaper medicines, making sure we cut twenty percent off everyone's

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<v Speaker 14>tech stats and give free tafe to provide opportunities. And

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<v Speaker 14>a five percent deposit is what you'll need for first

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<v Speaker 14>home bias. We know we live in difficult times, but

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<v Speaker 14>I am very confident that with the right leadership, we

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<v Speaker 14>can see it through. I want to trust the Australian people,

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<v Speaker 14>I want to back our values, and I want to

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<v Speaker 14>build Australia's future.

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<v Speaker 11>Thank you both for those opening statements. Now, housing is

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<v Speaker 11>where I'd like to begin. It's one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 11>issues that voters have been raising. And look, you both

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<v Speaker 11>have put forward ideas in the past few days that

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<v Speaker 11>we'll see more homes built, boost supply, but you've also

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<v Speaker 11>put forward ideas that a lot of experts and economists

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<v Speaker 11>are warning will only push up prices even more. So

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<v Speaker 11>my question to you both is can you honestly say

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<v Speaker 11>that your plans will make housing any more affordable in

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<v Speaker 11>five or ten years or will they simply keep pushing

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<v Speaker 11>prices higher. Mister Albenezik, Yes we can because we have

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<v Speaker 11>a plan not just for demand, but for supply as well.

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<v Speaker 11>A plan through the Building Australia Future Fund to build

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<v Speaker 11>more public housing, a plan as well for private rentals

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<v Speaker 11>to get increased supply there through our Build to Rent scheme,

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<v Speaker 11>a plan as well to get first home owners, to

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<v Speaker 11>give them a fair crack, particularly young people. Now, a

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<v Speaker 11>five percent deposit rather than twenty will mean that instead

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<v Speaker 11>of paying off someone else's mortgage, they can pay off

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<v Speaker 11>their own mortgage, and that is important going forward. That

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<v Speaker 11>will lose demand, won't it. Can't you just do the

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<v Speaker 11>supply things. Why do you need to push up demand?

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<v Speaker 15>Well, we need to do both.

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<v Speaker 14>We need to give people a fair crack, particularly young people.

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<v Speaker 14>But we have a comprehensive forty three billion dollar Homes

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<v Speaker 14>through Australia plan making sure whether it's about increased social housing,

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<v Speaker 14>increase private rentals or increased home ownership as well throughout

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<v Speaker 14>help to buy a scheme that will all assist. The key,

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<v Speaker 14>of course is supply and that's why only Labor is

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<v Speaker 14>offering a plan at this election to increase supply of housing.

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<v Speaker 11>Mister Dutton, you have plans to let first home buyers

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<v Speaker 11>take up to fifty thousand dollars out of their superannuation

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<v Speaker 11>to buy a home. That will push up house prices,

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<v Speaker 11>won't it.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, David, Firstly, I think it's important to understand why

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<v Speaker 12>do we find ourselves in this position as a country.

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<v Speaker 12>Over the last two years, the government's brought in a

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<v Speaker 12>million people, all of whom want homes, and all of

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<v Speaker 12>whom are competing against young Australians for that rental property

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<v Speaker 12>or to purchase a home. That's a million people, which

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<v Speaker 12>is seventy percent higher than any two year period in

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<v Speaker 12>our country's history. So the demand that the Prime ministers

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<v Speaker 12>generated has really created a housing crisis. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 12>you've had the CFMAU and others who have choked supply

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<v Speaker 12>so stopped houses from being built. And it's been this

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<v Speaker 12>perfect storm which every Australian understands.

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<v Speaker 11>The question about your plans that will boost demand even more.

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<v Speaker 10>We have five elements to our plan.

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<v Speaker 12>The first element is a five billion dollar fund where

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<v Speaker 12>we work with councils and we identify where they've got

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<v Speaker 12>land releases that are being stalled at the moment simply

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<v Speaker 12>because they just can't afford the sewerage or the water

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<v Speaker 12>or the road upgrade. So that will bring on five

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<v Speaker 12>hundred thousand new home lots. That is on the supply side,

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<v Speaker 12>a very significant benefit. The second part is that we

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<v Speaker 12>reduce migration by twenty five percent so that we can

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<v Speaker 12>allow the housing stock to be built up again. And

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<v Speaker 12>by doing that, as well as stopping foreigners for two

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<v Speaker 12>years from purchasing Australian homes, we give Australian young Australians

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<v Speaker 12>a go. The next part of our plan, which I

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<v Speaker 12>think is incredibly important, is to make sure that we

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<v Speaker 12>can say to young Australians who are locked out of

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<v Speaker 12>the housing market under the government at the moment that

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<v Speaker 12>for the first six hundred and fifty thousand dollars of

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<v Speaker 12>your mortgage that will be interested you can claim against

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<v Speaker 12>your income. So for an average couple that will be

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<v Speaker 12>about eleven or twelve thousand dollars a year over five years.

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<v Speaker 11>It'll be a lot more for high income earners won't

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02:18:04.120 --> 02:18:06.840
<v Speaker 11>it than low income earners. This is regressive. It helps

2523
02:18:07.040 --> 02:18:08.440
<v Speaker 11>wealthier investors.

2524
02:18:08.799 --> 02:18:11.639
<v Speaker 12>It provides for an average taxpayer about eleven or twelve

2525
02:18:11.680 --> 02:18:14.440
<v Speaker 12>thousand dollars a year, which is one thousand dollars a month,

2526
02:18:14.520 --> 02:18:15.639
<v Speaker 12>which for it.

2527
02:18:15.760 --> 02:18:17.360
<v Speaker 11>Serves two more on high incomes.

2528
02:18:17.639 --> 02:18:19.079
<v Speaker 10>Well, it serves two purposes.

2529
02:18:19.159 --> 02:18:21.399
<v Speaker 12>One is when you go to the bank, you've got

2530
02:18:21.399 --> 02:18:24.600
<v Speaker 12>a higher level of disposable income, so you're more likely

2531
02:18:24.680 --> 02:18:27.840
<v Speaker 12>to get the loan. Secondly, it helps you service alone, David.

2532
02:18:27.879 --> 02:18:30.600
<v Speaker 12>In our country at the moment, there are young Australians

2533
02:18:30.600 --> 02:18:32.879
<v Speaker 12>who are putting off having kids, and there are parents

2534
02:18:32.920 --> 02:18:36.000
<v Speaker 12>and grandparents who are staying in the workforce longer because

2535
02:18:36.360 --> 02:18:38.680
<v Speaker 12>even though they've worked hard and save for their own retirement,

2536
02:18:38.719 --> 02:18:41.879
<v Speaker 12>they can't afford to retire because they're having to chip

2537
02:18:41.920 --> 02:18:44.719
<v Speaker 12>in for their kids or grandkids to help pay the mortgage.

2538
02:18:44.760 --> 02:18:49.559
<v Speaker 11>Look, neither of you seem willing to touch the negative

2539
02:18:49.559 --> 02:18:53.360
<v Speaker 11>gearing or capital gains tax breaks at this election. You've

2540
02:18:53.440 --> 02:18:56.760
<v Speaker 11>both been property investors over the years. Can you understand

2541
02:18:56.840 --> 02:19:00.520
<v Speaker 11>younger Australians locked out of the market that it is

2542
02:19:00.600 --> 02:19:02.440
<v Speaker 11>people like you who are to blame for the fact

2543
02:19:02.479 --> 02:19:05.319
<v Speaker 11>the systems rigged against them, mister Albinez, Well.

2544
02:19:05.280 --> 02:19:08.879
<v Speaker 14>Could I make this point David Peter's suggestion that this

2545
02:19:09.000 --> 02:19:11.399
<v Speaker 14>has been a problem that's developed in the last two

2546
02:19:11.520 --> 02:19:14.719
<v Speaker 14>years as a nonsense and everyone watching this program knows

2547
02:19:14.799 --> 02:19:17.760
<v Speaker 14>that this has been developing for a long period of time.

2548
02:19:18.120 --> 02:19:21.040
<v Speaker 14>We have not had enough homes being built, and indeed

2549
02:19:21.440 --> 02:19:24.520
<v Speaker 14>the former government didn't bother to have a housing minister

2550
02:19:24.639 --> 02:19:27.319
<v Speaker 14>for half the time they were in office. What we've

2551
02:19:27.399 --> 02:19:30.600
<v Speaker 14>done since we came to office is looked towards the

2552
02:19:30.680 --> 02:19:32.319
<v Speaker 14>big issue, which is supply.

2553
02:19:32.559 --> 02:19:34.000
<v Speaker 11>But can I ask you to come to the question

2554
02:19:34.159 --> 02:19:36.920
<v Speaker 11>which is about the tax breaks for investors, negative gearing

2555
02:19:37.280 --> 02:19:40.399
<v Speaker 11>and the capital gains tax discount. Why an't you willing

2556
02:19:40.440 --> 02:19:41.000
<v Speaker 11>to touch those?

2557
02:19:41.120 --> 02:19:44.159
<v Speaker 14>Because the experts say that what that potentially would do

2558
02:19:44.719 --> 02:19:48.239
<v Speaker 14>is diminished supply, not increase it. And that's why the

2559
02:19:48.440 --> 02:19:53.840
<v Speaker 14>key to fixing the housing issues is supply. That's why

2560
02:19:54.000 --> 02:19:57.799
<v Speaker 14>Peter speaks about his infrastructure plan. We've already announced and

2561
02:19:57.920 --> 02:20:02.840
<v Speaker 14>are rolling out two rounds of our Housing Infrastructure Fund

2562
02:20:03.319 --> 02:20:07.079
<v Speaker 14>doing exactly that, making sure that sewerage and energy and

2563
02:20:07.280 --> 02:20:10.239
<v Speaker 14>all of that is fixed up, and where as well

2564
02:20:10.360 --> 02:20:14.040
<v Speaker 14>are working with states and territories to increase density where

2565
02:20:14.120 --> 02:20:17.440
<v Speaker 14>it's appropriate to make sure more homes can be built.

2566
02:20:17.959 --> 02:20:23.319
<v Speaker 11>Back to the tax treatment of housing investment, Mister Dutton,

2567
02:20:23.360 --> 02:20:25.879
<v Speaker 11>do you have any problem with investors using tax breaks

2568
02:20:25.920 --> 02:20:28.479
<v Speaker 11>to buy multiple properties four five, six properties?

2569
02:20:29.639 --> 02:20:30.200
<v Speaker 10>Let me come to that.

2570
02:20:30.760 --> 02:20:34.520
<v Speaker 12>And your government has modeled negative gearing changes NCGT changes.

2571
02:20:34.840 --> 02:20:35.799
<v Speaker 12>The Treasurer has done that.

2572
02:20:36.559 --> 02:20:37.239
<v Speaker 8>That's not right.

2573
02:20:37.440 --> 02:20:39.079
<v Speaker 11>Well, it is a public service.

2574
02:20:39.120 --> 02:20:42.360
<v Speaker 14>Well under our public service, we actually value the public

2575
02:20:42.479 --> 02:20:46.479
<v Speaker 14>service and we value them coming up with the ideas

2576
02:20:46.760 --> 02:20:47.879
<v Speaker 14>and doing assessments.

2577
02:20:48.000 --> 02:20:50.840
<v Speaker 15>That's what's happened. I have been very clear.

2578
02:20:51.239 --> 02:20:53.799
<v Speaker 14>I have been very clear about what our position is

2579
02:20:54.000 --> 02:20:57.479
<v Speaker 14>and why that is the case. Was it modeled It

2580
02:20:57.600 --> 02:21:00.479
<v Speaker 14>certainly wasn't commissioned by us to do so.

2581
02:21:00.680 --> 02:21:01.840
<v Speaker 10>It was modeled by the government.

2582
02:21:01.879 --> 02:21:04.319
<v Speaker 12>It was publicly it's publicly available that this Prime Minister

2583
02:21:04.360 --> 02:21:06.440
<v Speaker 12>has a problem with the truth. And it's not just

2584
02:21:06.559 --> 02:21:09.399
<v Speaker 12>in relation to this debate. There are many aspects that

2585
02:21:09.440 --> 02:21:11.120
<v Speaker 12>you could pick up during the course of this campaign.

2586
02:21:11.719 --> 02:21:17.799
<v Speaker 11>The printers question David Meister's multiple properties, all these tax breaks,

2587
02:21:17.879 --> 02:21:18.440
<v Speaker 11>no problem with that.

2588
02:21:18.840 --> 02:21:22.040
<v Speaker 12>I have stated very clearly that we want a sustainable

2589
02:21:22.360 --> 02:21:26.040
<v Speaker 12>housing market which includes rental stock. Now, if you want

2590
02:21:26.079 --> 02:21:28.000
<v Speaker 12>to cut out negative gearing, as the Labor Party in

2591
02:21:28.040 --> 02:21:31.000
<v Speaker 12>the Greens would love to do. You will stop investment

2592
02:21:31.120 --> 02:21:34.920
<v Speaker 12>taking place for properties which ultimately are rented by young Australians.

2593
02:21:35.399 --> 02:21:38.559
<v Speaker 12>Now all of us started out renting somewhere and the

2594
02:21:38.680 --> 02:21:41.200
<v Speaker 12>dream was to buy a home, and for young Australians.

2595
02:21:41.040 --> 02:21:41.879
<v Speaker 10>They've lost that dream.

2596
02:21:42.000 --> 02:21:42.879
<v Speaker 11>No need for any limits on.

2597
02:21:43.360 --> 02:21:46.440
<v Speaker 12>If we stop negative gearing, we will drive up the

2598
02:21:46.479 --> 02:21:48.639
<v Speaker 12>cost of rents. Rents are already up by eighteen percent

2599
02:21:48.760 --> 02:21:50.879
<v Speaker 12>under this government. So I want to make sure that

2600
02:21:50.920 --> 02:21:55.360
<v Speaker 12>we've got an investment class, which is an asset class

2601
02:21:55.440 --> 02:21:58.200
<v Speaker 12>which is able to be invested in. The Greens, who

2602
02:21:58.559 --> 02:22:01.319
<v Speaker 12>likely could form a minority government with the Prime Minister

2603
02:22:01.360 --> 02:22:03.680
<v Speaker 12>if he's successful at this election, they have as a

2604
02:22:03.719 --> 02:22:06.479
<v Speaker 12>stated policy that they want to abolish negative fury.

2605
02:22:07.959 --> 02:22:11.639
<v Speaker 11>We talked about rest. Now, rent in capital cities has

2606
02:22:11.719 --> 02:22:14.280
<v Speaker 11>gone up a lot more than incomes over the last

2607
02:22:14.799 --> 02:22:17.479
<v Speaker 11>few years since COVID, about five times more than incomes

2608
02:22:17.520 --> 02:22:21.079
<v Speaker 11>have gone up. Many renters have been contacting us raising

2609
02:22:21.159 --> 02:22:24.200
<v Speaker 11>concerns about what's in this election for them. They can't

2610
02:22:24.200 --> 02:22:27.920
<v Speaker 11>afford a crippling mortgage in Sydney or Melbourne. Are either

2611
02:22:28.000 --> 02:22:30.920
<v Speaker 11>of you willing to give rents more rights. One of

2612
02:22:30.959 --> 02:22:33.840
<v Speaker 11>their concerns is the instability they face. They can only

2613
02:22:33.879 --> 02:22:35.959
<v Speaker 11>get a twelve month tenancy. In other countries you can

2614
02:22:35.959 --> 02:22:37.920
<v Speaker 11>get a lot more than that. Mister Dutton, would you

2615
02:22:37.920 --> 02:22:40.079
<v Speaker 11>be willing to put some pressure on the States to

2616
02:22:40.159 --> 02:22:44.079
<v Speaker 11>give renters more certainty longer term rentals. Well, David, as

2617
02:22:44.120 --> 02:22:45.719
<v Speaker 11>you point out, it's an issue for the States, So

2618
02:22:45.760 --> 02:22:48.200
<v Speaker 11>there's different regimes that operate. There's a leadership role here

2619
02:22:48.200 --> 02:22:48.719
<v Speaker 11>the States.

2620
02:22:48.760 --> 02:22:50.680
<v Speaker 12>But in terms of trying to find out balance and

2621
02:22:51.159 --> 02:22:54.479
<v Speaker 12>protect the rights of renters and the rights of landlords, yes,

2622
02:22:54.680 --> 02:22:57.799
<v Speaker 12>I mean you want a sensible position adopted. You want

2623
02:22:58.000 --> 02:23:01.520
<v Speaker 12>so you'd support longer rentals a bit to support sensible reforms,

2624
02:23:01.600 --> 02:23:04.479
<v Speaker 12>But as you point out, it's a matter for the States.

2625
02:23:04.520 --> 02:23:06.879
<v Speaker 12>The focus, I think in this election is on who

2626
02:23:07.000 --> 02:23:09.159
<v Speaker 12>is best able to fix the housing crisis that the

2627
02:23:09.159 --> 02:23:13.479
<v Speaker 12>government's created. Our policy is to provide support to young people. Yes,

2628
02:23:13.559 --> 02:23:16.239
<v Speaker 12>to allow them access to super put that money back

2629
02:23:16.280 --> 02:23:18.319
<v Speaker 12>into SUPER when they sell the house, but it gets

2630
02:23:18.360 --> 02:23:20.600
<v Speaker 12>them into the property market to start with. If we

2631
02:23:20.719 --> 02:23:24.040
<v Speaker 12>do that, we can increase their overall net position. And

2632
02:23:24.360 --> 02:23:26.760
<v Speaker 12>as people age and they pay off their mortgage and

2633
02:23:26.840 --> 02:23:29.559
<v Speaker 12>they go into retirement, they're in a much stronger position

2634
02:23:30.040 --> 02:23:32.239
<v Speaker 12>if they're going into retirement and their mortgage is paid

2635
02:23:32.239 --> 02:23:34.799
<v Speaker 12>down or paid off completely and they've lost hope of

2636
02:23:34.840 --> 02:23:35.520
<v Speaker 12>that under discovery.

2637
02:23:35.559 --> 02:23:37.520
<v Speaker 11>The same question to you, mister Alberanezy, would you put

2638
02:23:37.559 --> 02:23:39.719
<v Speaker 11>pressure on the states to give renters more certainty?

2639
02:23:39.719 --> 02:23:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, we've delivered it.

2640
02:23:41.079 --> 02:23:45.040
<v Speaker 14>We're delivered a render's rights program in agreement with states

2641
02:23:45.079 --> 02:23:47.840
<v Speaker 14>and territories, so they've improved the rights of people who

2642
02:23:47.879 --> 02:23:51.360
<v Speaker 14>are renting. In addition to that, we've increased maximum rendal

2643
02:23:51.399 --> 02:23:56.559
<v Speaker 14>assistance by forty five percent in this term. And in

2644
02:23:56.680 --> 02:24:00.719
<v Speaker 14>addition to that. In addition to that, Peter has just

2645
02:24:00.879 --> 02:24:04.600
<v Speaker 14>raised the issue of super. If you give everyone super

2646
02:24:05.079 --> 02:24:08.280
<v Speaker 14>access to up to fifty thousand dollars and everyone at

2647
02:24:08.360 --> 02:24:11.840
<v Speaker 14>the auction will just have fifty thousand dollars more, it

2648
02:24:11.879 --> 02:24:15.079
<v Speaker 14>will just bit up prices as it did in New Zealand.

2649
02:24:15.239 --> 02:24:19.200
<v Speaker 14>It again does nothing for supply. What we have is

2650
02:24:19.280 --> 02:24:24.639
<v Speaker 14>a reservation of one hundred thousand homes, just four first

2651
02:24:24.719 --> 02:24:27.760
<v Speaker 14>home buyers that will give them an opportunity because they

2652
02:24:27.879 --> 02:24:32.079
<v Speaker 14>won't be competing with investors. And we see that working

2653
02:24:32.239 --> 02:24:35.559
<v Speaker 14>effectively in South Australia right now. And we went to

2654
02:24:35.639 --> 02:24:39.319
<v Speaker 14>a place on Monday. One hundred and ten townhouses being built.

2655
02:24:39.719 --> 02:24:42.479
<v Speaker 14>Forty of them will be just four first home owner.

2656
02:24:42.520 --> 02:24:44.680
<v Speaker 11>I want to move on because you've talked about your

2657
02:24:45.120 --> 02:24:47.639
<v Speaker 11>plans in housing. This is just part of the spending

2658
02:24:47.719 --> 02:24:50.200
<v Speaker 11>plans that you're taking to the people at this election.

2659
02:24:51.120 --> 02:24:53.760
<v Speaker 11>But we do have all this spending despite the fact

2660
02:24:54.120 --> 02:24:56.000
<v Speaker 11>that we're in deficit. I want to show you this.

2661
02:24:56.360 --> 02:25:00.520
<v Speaker 11>This is spending versus revenue over the last fifty years,

2662
02:25:00.600 --> 02:25:05.079
<v Speaker 11>so it covers both sides of politics, and spending has

2663
02:25:05.360 --> 02:25:09.479
<v Speaker 11>continued to remain above revenue, which is the bottom line

2664
02:25:09.520 --> 02:25:12.799
<v Speaker 11>there in Orange. For most of that last fifteen years.

2665
02:25:12.840 --> 02:25:15.760
<v Speaker 11>We had a couple of years of surplus. The big

2666
02:25:15.840 --> 02:25:18.920
<v Speaker 11>spike there is the big spending spike during COVID and

2667
02:25:19.000 --> 02:25:21.040
<v Speaker 11>then after that you can see that we've gone back

2668
02:25:21.040 --> 02:25:24.040
<v Speaker 11>to a situation where spending is going to remain higher

2669
02:25:24.079 --> 02:25:27.239
<v Speaker 11>than revenue for years to come. Over the forward estimates.

2670
02:25:27.399 --> 02:25:30.559
<v Speaker 11>It's younger Australians will ultimately have to pay for the debt. Here,

2671
02:25:30.639 --> 02:25:33.040
<v Speaker 11>mister Albanezi, what do you say to them, where's the

2672
02:25:33.079 --> 02:25:33.959
<v Speaker 11>money going to come from?

2673
02:25:34.319 --> 02:25:37.040
<v Speaker 14>I say to them that we are the only government

2674
02:25:37.120 --> 02:25:40.920
<v Speaker 14>in the last twenty years that have produced consecutive budget surpluses,

2675
02:25:40.959 --> 02:25:44.360
<v Speaker 14>and we've harved the deficit this year as a direct

2676
02:25:44.440 --> 02:25:49.360
<v Speaker 14>result of the responsible economic management that we have. Then,

2677
02:25:50.040 --> 02:25:53.440
<v Speaker 14>debt is one hundred and seventy seven billion dollars less.

2678
02:25:54.360 --> 02:25:56.719
<v Speaker 14>We have improved the bottom line by two hundred and

2679
02:25:56.879 --> 02:26:00.920
<v Speaker 14>seven billion dollars since we came to office. That means

2680
02:26:01.520 --> 02:26:05.440
<v Speaker 14>paying off sixty billion dollars less in interest payments as

2681
02:26:05.520 --> 02:26:09.280
<v Speaker 14>a direct result of the diffult decisions that we've made.

2682
02:26:10.000 --> 02:26:13.440
<v Speaker 14>Getting inflation down to two point four percent had a

2683
02:26:13.520 --> 02:26:16.040
<v Speaker 14>six in front of it when we're elected. So we

2684
02:26:16.239 --> 02:26:20.239
<v Speaker 14>have been very careful finding savings ninety five billion dollars.

2685
02:26:20.639 --> 02:26:24.520
<v Speaker 11>And yet your spending continues to be higher than your

2686
02:26:24.840 --> 02:26:27.680
<v Speaker 11>revenues right for the foreseeable future, for the next four

2687
02:26:27.719 --> 02:26:30.239
<v Speaker 11>or even ten years. And at this election, you are

2688
02:26:30.319 --> 02:26:33.920
<v Speaker 11>offering spending that goes to high income owners. Things like

2689
02:26:34.000 --> 02:26:36.840
<v Speaker 11>the energy rebate, the battery rebate, the tax cut, the

2690
02:26:36.920 --> 02:26:39.319
<v Speaker 11>wiping HEX debt, the first home buyer incentive, none of

2691
02:26:39.360 --> 02:26:40.159
<v Speaker 11>its means tested.

2692
02:26:40.840 --> 02:26:44.319
<v Speaker 14>Why not measures like the HEX deet take for example,

2693
02:26:45.040 --> 02:26:48.239
<v Speaker 14>that's opposed by the coalition. The HEX debt is about

2694
02:26:48.280 --> 02:26:52.159
<v Speaker 14>intergenerational equity. We spoke before about young people I think

2695
02:26:52.280 --> 02:26:56.159
<v Speaker 14>young people deserve a fair crack and issues like taking

2696
02:26:56.239 --> 02:27:01.280
<v Speaker 14>twenty percent of everyone's tax stet free TAFE, but six thousand.

2697
02:27:00.719 --> 02:27:03.719
<v Speaker 11>Means testing these things. Why to high income people when

2698
02:27:03.760 --> 02:27:06.239
<v Speaker 11>we're in deficit, Why to high in commanders get this stuff?

2699
02:27:07.040 --> 02:27:09.440
<v Speaker 14>Well, David, if you get sick or I get sick,

2700
02:27:09.799 --> 02:27:12.000
<v Speaker 14>we can get access to medicare and access to a

2701
02:27:12.079 --> 02:27:16.559
<v Speaker 14>public hospital. Every child, Peter's or mine will get access

2702
02:27:17.120 --> 02:27:19.760
<v Speaker 14>to a public education of public.

2703
02:27:20.280 --> 02:27:23.079
<v Speaker 11>The rebates and so on that you're offering at this election,

2704
02:27:23.159 --> 02:27:24.440
<v Speaker 11>the high in coommerners.

2705
02:27:25.120 --> 02:27:28.440
<v Speaker 14>Energy rebates, if you had two choices because of the

2706
02:27:28.520 --> 02:27:31.639
<v Speaker 14>way that it's being delivered through the energy companies, you'll

2707
02:27:31.760 --> 02:27:34.079
<v Speaker 14>either give it to everyone or you just give it

2708
02:27:34.159 --> 02:27:37.639
<v Speaker 14>to concession cardholders. We understand that a whole lot of

2709
02:27:37.719 --> 02:27:41.719
<v Speaker 14>working people need that assistance in cost of living, and

2710
02:27:41.920 --> 02:27:46.559
<v Speaker 14>that's why this is our third increase in energy rebates

2711
02:27:46.600 --> 02:27:47.440
<v Speaker 14>that we're put forward.

2712
02:27:47.479 --> 02:27:48.520
<v Speaker 15>And that's why we've done it.

2713
02:27:48.639 --> 02:27:50.799
<v Speaker 11>Mister Duttan, you've made a lot of big spending promises

2714
02:27:50.799 --> 02:27:52.719
<v Speaker 11>in this campaign too, and you're talking up even more

2715
02:27:52.760 --> 02:27:56.120
<v Speaker 11>to come on defense. Are your cuts to the public

2716
02:27:56.200 --> 02:27:57.799
<v Speaker 11>service going to be enough to cover it all?

2717
02:27:58.000 --> 02:27:58.879
<v Speaker 10>Well, David, A couple of things.

2718
02:27:58.920 --> 02:28:01.079
<v Speaker 12>I've what the Prime Minister hasn't mentioned there is that

2719
02:28:01.639 --> 02:28:04.319
<v Speaker 12>most of the outcomes that he's talking about are because

2720
02:28:04.319 --> 02:28:08.079
<v Speaker 12>of variations in commodity prices, not because of decisions the

2721
02:28:08.159 --> 02:28:10.360
<v Speaker 12>government's made or the growth that they've put into the economy.

2722
02:28:10.399 --> 02:28:12.200
<v Speaker 12>That's just not the reality, and I think the Prime

2723
02:28:12.239 --> 02:28:14.680
<v Speaker 12>Minister constantly telling people that they're much better off now

2724
02:28:15.120 --> 02:28:17.479
<v Speaker 12>just defies the reality in their own lives. There are

2725
02:28:17.559 --> 02:28:20.559
<v Speaker 12>thirty thousand small businesses which have gone bankrupt over the

2726
02:28:20.600 --> 02:28:22.959
<v Speaker 12>course of the last three years, a record number in

2727
02:28:23.079 --> 02:28:26.159
<v Speaker 12>our country's history. Over the last twelve months, households have

2728
02:28:26.239 --> 02:28:29.799
<v Speaker 12>been in a recession for seven consecutive quarters, almost two years.

2729
02:28:29.879 --> 02:28:31.159
<v Speaker 11>Let's come back to it. So we need to make

2730
02:28:31.200 --> 02:28:33.680
<v Speaker 11>sure your cuts to the public service going to cover

2731
02:28:33.799 --> 02:28:35.239
<v Speaker 11>all of your spending in this election.

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02:28:36.479 --> 02:28:38.760
<v Speaker 12>The short answer is no, we're not going to achieve

2733
02:28:39.200 --> 02:28:41.719
<v Speaker 12>all of the savings that we need to achieve through

2734
02:28:42.319 --> 02:28:45.479
<v Speaker 12>our changes to the public service. But what you want

2735
02:28:45.520 --> 02:28:48.120
<v Speaker 12>to save is it seven million dollars a year through

2736
02:28:48.840 --> 02:28:50.000
<v Speaker 12>savings in the public service.

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02:28:50.159 --> 02:28:51.200
<v Speaker 10>I've just finished this point, David.

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02:28:51.200 --> 02:28:53.440
<v Speaker 12>I mean, what we've done in relation to our twenty

2739
02:28:53.520 --> 02:28:55.959
<v Speaker 12>five per cent a leter cut for fuel excise that

2740
02:28:56.280 --> 02:28:59.479
<v Speaker 12>happens from day one. It helps pensioners, it helps delivery

2741
02:28:59.479 --> 02:29:02.680
<v Speaker 12>truck drive, it helps families. It's an economy wide benefit

2742
02:29:02.719 --> 02:29:05.440
<v Speaker 12>and it brings down the cost of doing business and

2743
02:29:05.559 --> 02:29:08.479
<v Speaker 12>the costs across the community which are ballooning under this government.

2744
02:29:08.879 --> 02:29:11.840
<v Speaker 12>So that is a one off hit to the budget

2745
02:29:11.879 --> 02:29:14.200
<v Speaker 12>of about six billion dollars. It's not a recurrent or

2746
02:29:14.239 --> 02:29:17.120
<v Speaker 12>a structural spend in the budget. This is the important point.

2747
02:29:17.159 --> 02:29:19.879
<v Speaker 12>It's exactly what we did over the course of COVID

2748
02:29:19.920 --> 02:29:24.360
<v Speaker 12>where job seecret and job keeper were changed to provide

2749
02:29:24.440 --> 02:29:26.840
<v Speaker 12>a response to COVID. At the time, we didn't legislate

2750
02:29:27.239 --> 02:29:30.440
<v Speaker 12>and put that into every budget going forward, so it

2751
02:29:30.479 --> 02:29:30.840
<v Speaker 12>went off.

2752
02:29:30.879 --> 02:29:32.840
<v Speaker 11>So that just happened to coincide with an election.

2753
02:29:33.360 --> 02:29:35.719
<v Speaker 12>My question, though, they happen to coincide with the fact

2754
02:29:35.760 --> 02:29:37.920
<v Speaker 12>that families are doing it tough, and there are many

2755
02:29:37.959 --> 02:29:41.000
<v Speaker 12>families at the moment right across the country we've spoken

2756
02:29:41.040 --> 02:29:42.399
<v Speaker 12>to that I can't afford to pay their bills.

2757
02:29:42.479 --> 02:29:44.959
<v Speaker 11>On your public service cuts, it's seven billion dollars a year.

2758
02:29:45.600 --> 02:29:49.639
<v Speaker 11>You haven't yet said where those cuts will occur. Can

2759
02:29:49.680 --> 02:29:51.600
<v Speaker 11>you tell us tonight at least one area of the

2760
02:29:51.639 --> 02:29:52.719
<v Speaker 11>public service you had cut.

2761
02:29:53.000 --> 02:29:56.120
<v Speaker 12>Well, David, there's been a three fold increase in the

2762
02:29:56.360 --> 02:29:58.879
<v Speaker 12>expansion of the public service compared to the rogular years.

2763
02:29:59.520 --> 02:30:02.000
<v Speaker 12>We have the highest per capita rate of public servants

2764
02:30:02.079 --> 02:30:04.399
<v Speaker 12>in the world. And our argument is that if you've

2765
02:30:04.399 --> 02:30:07.040
<v Speaker 12>got families at the moment who are working their guts out,

2766
02:30:07.120 --> 02:30:09.840
<v Speaker 12>working second third jobs, paying tax I want to make

2767
02:30:09.920 --> 02:30:13.799
<v Speaker 12>sure that that taxpayer dollar is being spent efficiently. And

2768
02:30:14.120 --> 02:30:17.319
<v Speaker 12>my argument is that where you bloon the public service

2769
02:30:17.440 --> 02:30:20.520
<v Speaker 12>in Canberra, that is not an efficient use of taxpayers.

2770
02:30:21.239 --> 02:30:23.879
<v Speaker 11>Be having trouble saying where you would cut, You've said

2771
02:30:23.959 --> 02:30:26.079
<v Speaker 11>a lot of areas where you won't. What about foreign

2772
02:30:26.120 --> 02:30:27.079
<v Speaker 11>aid when you cut foreign aid?

2773
02:30:27.280 --> 02:30:29.920
<v Speaker 12>We've said in relation to the public service that we

2774
02:30:30.040 --> 02:30:34.559
<v Speaker 12>will protect frontline positions, which I think is important, incredibly important,

2775
02:30:34.639 --> 02:30:38.959
<v Speaker 12>and we've an outmore funding for GPS into general practice

2776
02:30:39.000 --> 02:30:41.440
<v Speaker 12>and there are many other areas when you get so

2777
02:30:41.799 --> 02:30:44.200
<v Speaker 12>this is a question where we find inefficiency data and

2778
02:30:44.239 --> 02:30:47.079
<v Speaker 12>there's not something you can do from opposition to redesign

2779
02:30:47.760 --> 02:30:51.159
<v Speaker 12>the public service in the way in which that structure. Well,

2780
02:30:51.440 --> 02:30:53.920
<v Speaker 12>we haven't made any announcements in relation to foreign aid,

2781
02:30:53.920 --> 02:30:55.239
<v Speaker 12>and there's a lot of good that we're doing in

2782
02:30:55.280 --> 02:30:57.559
<v Speaker 12>foreign aid, and the principle that we've had, like any

2783
02:30:57.600 --> 02:31:00.000
<v Speaker 12>good liberal government, like John Howard when it came out

2784
02:31:00.000 --> 02:31:03.000
<v Speaker 12>in ninety six after Keating had done so much damage.

2785
02:31:03.639 --> 02:31:07.120
<v Speaker 12>We will make sure that we're spending taxpayers money efficiently,

2786
02:31:07.600 --> 02:31:09.479
<v Speaker 12>and whatever we can give back, we will, which is

2787
02:31:09.520 --> 02:31:12.200
<v Speaker 12>why we've said that to deal with the crisis that

2788
02:31:12.319 --> 02:31:15.440
<v Speaker 12>Anthony's created in everybody's budget at the moment, we'll give

2789
02:31:15.520 --> 02:31:18.520
<v Speaker 12>back twelve hundred dollars of people's tax that they've paid

2790
02:31:18.719 --> 02:31:20.879
<v Speaker 12>by way of cuts, which will which will help.

2791
02:31:20.920 --> 02:31:23.159
<v Speaker 11>We've heard about spending just quickly.

2792
02:31:24.200 --> 02:31:26.639
<v Speaker 14>That's before they get to the six hundred billion dollars

2793
02:31:26.719 --> 02:31:28.440
<v Speaker 14>they need for their nuclear reactors.

2794
02:31:29.000 --> 02:31:30.120
<v Speaker 8>I mean, there you go.

2795
02:31:31.559 --> 02:31:32.440
<v Speaker 10>It looks like it's true.

2796
02:31:32.559 --> 02:31:35.360
<v Speaker 14>There are agreements that they have. Well, he won't say

2797
02:31:35.520 --> 02:31:38.440
<v Speaker 14>where the cuts will be. It's both for me and

2798
02:31:38.840 --> 02:31:40.920
<v Speaker 14>just trust us. We'll tell you after the election. Well,

2799
02:31:41.000 --> 02:31:43.799
<v Speaker 14>we know what happened last time the cuts came to health,

2800
02:31:44.239 --> 02:31:47.319
<v Speaker 14>they came to education. Fifty billion dollars out of hospitals,

2801
02:31:47.440 --> 02:31:51.159
<v Speaker 14>thirty billion dollars out of schools. That's why a decade later,

2802
02:31:51.639 --> 02:31:55.399
<v Speaker 14>we're still trying to fix and repair the damage that

2803
02:31:55.520 --> 02:31:57.239
<v Speaker 14>was done by that twenty fourteen budget.

2804
02:31:57.319 --> 02:32:00.159
<v Speaker 11>Let me ask you both a question here. A lot

2805
02:32:00.200 --> 02:32:03.600
<v Speaker 11>of people say, where's the serious reform keeping floating the

2806
02:32:03.639 --> 02:32:08.159
<v Speaker 11>dollar Howard's gst, Mister Albanezi, what's the one big change

2807
02:32:08.319 --> 02:32:09.360
<v Speaker 11>you'd like to be remembered for.

2808
02:32:10.239 --> 02:32:12.920
<v Speaker 14>Affordable childcare is one of the things that we're doing.

2809
02:32:13.639 --> 02:32:18.399
<v Speaker 14>We've already put measures in place, including in this term

2810
02:32:18.600 --> 02:32:22.040
<v Speaker 14>we'll get rid of the activity test, a three day

2811
02:32:22.079 --> 02:32:25.760
<v Speaker 14>guarantee for childcare, boosting infrastructure for childcare.

2812
02:32:25.840 --> 02:32:30.200
<v Speaker 15>We want the universal provision of affordable.

2813
02:32:29.639 --> 02:32:32.840
<v Speaker 14>Childcare so that it is as a natural to have

2814
02:32:33.040 --> 02:32:36.079
<v Speaker 14>your child have access to childcare as it is to

2815
02:32:36.159 --> 02:32:38.719
<v Speaker 14>have access to old public what's your one big reform?

2816
02:32:38.799 --> 02:32:42.159
<v Speaker 12>Well, energy is the economy, David. Everything we use, everything

2817
02:32:42.239 --> 02:32:45.440
<v Speaker 12>around us is either running or has been created because

2818
02:32:45.479 --> 02:32:47.479
<v Speaker 12>of the use of energy, farming.

2819
02:32:47.799 --> 02:32:49.840
<v Speaker 10>Fertilizer, cold storage.

2820
02:32:50.440 --> 02:32:53.079
<v Speaker 12>Everything that we rely on in our society, in a

2821
02:32:53.120 --> 02:32:56.159
<v Speaker 12>modern society like OS, relies on energy. And what we've

2822
02:32:56.200 --> 02:32:58.680
<v Speaker 12>said is that we want to create an East Coast

2823
02:32:58.760 --> 02:33:02.319
<v Speaker 12>gas reserve, so that will bring gas that we're exporting

2824
02:33:02.399 --> 02:33:05.280
<v Speaker 12>at the moment beyond the foundation contracts back into the

2825
02:33:05.319 --> 02:33:08.920
<v Speaker 12>domestic market. If we do that that increases supply, It

2826
02:33:09.000 --> 02:33:13.399
<v Speaker 12>addresses Labour's disastrous energy policy, and it will help bring

2827
02:33:13.479 --> 02:33:16.719
<v Speaker 12>the pressure cost pressures down across society. It, by the

2828
02:33:16.799 --> 02:33:20.639
<v Speaker 12>independent analysis, reduces the cost of wholesale gas by twenty

2829
02:33:20.680 --> 02:33:23.559
<v Speaker 12>three percent. That is a structural change in the economy.

2830
02:33:23.600 --> 02:33:25.920
<v Speaker 12>We go beyond that, of course, as you know, to

2831
02:33:26.000 --> 02:33:29.120
<v Speaker 12>deal with what firms up the renewables as we go forward,

2832
02:33:29.799 --> 02:33:32.200
<v Speaker 12>which is a vision that Bob Hark had for our country,

2833
02:33:32.440 --> 02:33:36.239
<v Speaker 12>that John Howard shared and that I certainly strongly believe in.

2834
02:33:36.319 --> 02:33:39.479
<v Speaker 12>And that is a zero emissions nuclear technology embraced by

2835
02:33:39.520 --> 02:33:42.440
<v Speaker 12>the Labor Party in the United Kingdom, It's embraced by

2836
02:33:42.680 --> 02:33:46.000
<v Speaker 12>the French, by many other countries around the world. In fact,

2837
02:33:46.040 --> 02:33:48.520
<v Speaker 12>Australia is the only one of the top twenty economies

2838
02:33:48.959 --> 02:33:51.680
<v Speaker 12>that hasn't signed up to or isn't already using.

2839
02:33:51.719 --> 02:33:52.840
<v Speaker 7>Well is that nuclear?

2840
02:33:53.159 --> 02:33:56.079
<v Speaker 11>Just to check the reality on that, there are some

2841
02:33:56.200 --> 02:33:58.440
<v Speaker 11>other G twenty economies that don't have nuclear.

2842
02:33:58.719 --> 02:34:00.520
<v Speaker 10>Well the is one.

2843
02:34:00.600 --> 02:34:02.639
<v Speaker 12>I think that the ABC side before and you've seen

2844
02:34:02.680 --> 02:34:04.600
<v Speaker 12>the comments from the Indonesian president that they.

2845
02:34:04.520 --> 02:34:06.760
<v Speaker 10>Are fully on board with nuclear.

2846
02:34:06.760 --> 02:34:08.079
<v Speaker 12>If you have a look at what's happening in the UK,

2847
02:34:08.799 --> 02:34:12.280
<v Speaker 12>Kiyas Starmer says the Labor Prime minister there says that

2848
02:34:12.360 --> 02:34:15.159
<v Speaker 12>they can't achieve their net zero by twenty fifty targets

2849
02:34:15.520 --> 02:34:17.040
<v Speaker 12>without the use of nuclear I just want to come

2850
02:34:17.040 --> 02:34:19.319
<v Speaker 12>to this point, David, because it's a substantial one. In

2851
02:34:19.360 --> 02:34:21.680
<v Speaker 12>relation to this six hundred billion dollar figure at the

2852
02:34:21.719 --> 02:34:24.559
<v Speaker 12>Prime Minister, we'll Keith thrattling out, which is completely and

2853
02:34:24.639 --> 02:34:25.280
<v Speaker 12>utterly uncrue.

2854
02:34:25.360 --> 02:34:26.120
<v Speaker 11>You have a different figure.

2855
02:34:26.239 --> 02:34:26.600
<v Speaker 8>I get it.

2856
02:34:27.000 --> 02:34:30.399
<v Speaker 11>I think mister, it's only contesting. The top twenty economies

2857
02:34:30.399 --> 02:34:30.959
<v Speaker 11>are all using you.

2858
02:34:31.680 --> 02:34:34.559
<v Speaker 14>I'm a friend of Kiirs Starmer, and what Kiirs Starma

2859
02:34:34.639 --> 02:34:36.639
<v Speaker 14>is having to deal with is the blowout in the

2860
02:34:36.719 --> 02:34:40.399
<v Speaker 14>costs of the Hinckley nuclear plant. It's now up to

2861
02:34:40.879 --> 02:34:44.639
<v Speaker 14>ninety billion dollars for one plant. It is coming in

2862
02:34:44.959 --> 02:34:48.280
<v Speaker 14>fourteen years late, and it's been built in a country

2863
02:34:48.360 --> 02:34:50.840
<v Speaker 14>that does have a nuclear industry. It's being built by

2864
02:34:50.920 --> 02:34:55.920
<v Speaker 14>the world's largest nuclear energy company from France. That shows

2865
02:34:56.840 --> 02:35:00.799
<v Speaker 14>exactly the problem. And Kiirs Starmer wishes, as do so

2866
02:35:00.920 --> 02:35:05.719
<v Speaker 14>many people, that they had the access with the solar resources,

2867
02:35:05.799 --> 02:35:08.639
<v Speaker 14>with the wind resources, with the space that we have

2868
02:35:08.920 --> 02:35:13.280
<v Speaker 14>here in Australia. Tab renewables back by gas backed by

2869
02:35:13.440 --> 02:35:15.399
<v Speaker 14>hydro and back by batteries.

2870
02:35:15.520 --> 02:35:16.680
<v Speaker 15>So that's the future.

2871
02:35:16.799 --> 02:35:18.760
<v Speaker 11>So nuclear clearly is one of the big differences on

2872
02:35:18.879 --> 02:35:20.840
<v Speaker 11>the table at this election, and a lot of people

2873
02:35:20.920 --> 02:35:23.120
<v Speaker 11>want more detail about your plans, mister Dalton. One of

2874
02:35:23.159 --> 02:35:25.719
<v Speaker 11>the concerns is water. Nuclear power needs a lot more

2875
02:35:25.760 --> 02:35:29.280
<v Speaker 11>water than coal fired power. Where will the water come from?

2876
02:35:29.440 --> 02:35:31.959
<v Speaker 12>Well, David, there are already water allocations to each of

2877
02:35:32.000 --> 02:35:34.959
<v Speaker 12>the seven sites that we've located. So coal fire generation

2878
02:35:35.239 --> 02:35:36.920
<v Speaker 12>uses a lot of water. Now you need more for

2879
02:35:37.040 --> 02:35:39.719
<v Speaker 12>you We've looked at the water allocation for each of

2880
02:35:39.799 --> 02:35:40.399
<v Speaker 12>those sites.

2881
02:35:40.959 --> 02:35:42.079
<v Speaker 11>I don't think you need any more of that.

2882
02:35:42.520 --> 02:35:45.600
<v Speaker 12>We're comfortable with the analysis that we've done. But just

2883
02:35:45.719 --> 02:35:49.120
<v Speaker 12>just to put this into perspective, So Frontier Economics is

2884
02:35:49.159 --> 02:35:52.200
<v Speaker 12>the most pre eminent economist on energy in this country

2885
02:35:52.360 --> 02:35:55.799
<v Speaker 12>used by the Labor Party, says, and this hasn't been

2886
02:35:55.920 --> 02:36:00.440
<v Speaker 12>questioned or hasn't been disputed by Cris Bowl or Anthony

2887
02:36:00.479 --> 02:36:01.799
<v Speaker 12>Alberanesi or Jim Charmers.

2888
02:36:02.360 --> 02:36:04.200
<v Speaker 10>The independent analysis says.

2889
02:36:04.000 --> 02:36:06.920
<v Speaker 12>That our model, our energy model which includes nuclear out

2890
02:36:06.959 --> 02:36:09.840
<v Speaker 12>to twenty fifty, costs three hundred and thirty one billion dollars.

2891
02:36:10.159 --> 02:36:12.760
<v Speaker 12>It is two hundred and sixty three billion less. Well,

2892
02:36:12.840 --> 02:36:14.840
<v Speaker 12>just let me finish this point, two hundred and sixty

2893
02:36:14.879 --> 02:36:17.399
<v Speaker 12>three billion less than the government's own model. So that

2894
02:36:17.520 --> 02:36:20.079
<v Speaker 12>makes the government's model roughly six hundred billion. Where's that

2895
02:36:20.200 --> 02:36:22.639
<v Speaker 12>coming from? The Prime Minister is signed up to a

2896
02:36:22.719 --> 02:36:26.120
<v Speaker 12>nuclear industry because we have thirty kilometers from here Lucas Heights,

2897
02:36:26.559 --> 02:36:30.200
<v Speaker 12>which is a reactor and it deals with nuclear can

2898
02:36:30.239 --> 02:36:31.879
<v Speaker 12>we also obviously have the orchestyre.

2899
02:36:31.920 --> 02:36:34.520
<v Speaker 11>You have competing costs. But just to be clear, you're

2900
02:36:34.559 --> 02:36:37.639
<v Speaker 11>saying no additional water is required. All those experts who

2901
02:36:37.680 --> 02:36:40.120
<v Speaker 11>say you'd need more for nuclear, well.

2902
02:36:40.760 --> 02:36:42.440
<v Speaker 10>A couple of points. I mean, we could spend all

2903
02:36:42.520 --> 02:36:44.159
<v Speaker 10>night on what I think is really improve.

2904
02:36:44.479 --> 02:36:46.520
<v Speaker 12>Yes, but but there are different depending on the small

2905
02:36:46.559 --> 02:36:49.440
<v Speaker 12>modular reactor as well, and obviously the size of the actor.

2906
02:36:49.520 --> 02:36:53.120
<v Speaker 12>As to as to the amount of water that's required of.

2907
02:36:53.159 --> 02:36:55.920
<v Speaker 11>The large reactor. Is you're talking and you've got one

2908
02:36:56.000 --> 02:36:59.399
<v Speaker 11>plan for Cali one fit's wrong. They'd be large nuclear reactors.

2909
02:36:59.520 --> 02:37:01.520
<v Speaker 12>We have looked at each of the sites and we've

2910
02:37:01.559 --> 02:37:04.360
<v Speaker 12>done the analysis on the water allocations that are there.

2911
02:37:04.440 --> 02:37:07.159
<v Speaker 11>Now are you saying they'd be small modular reacting.

2912
02:37:06.920 --> 02:37:08.639
<v Speaker 12>I'm saying that there is a mixers we've said, which

2913
02:37:08.639 --> 02:37:11.079
<v Speaker 12>starts in twenty thirty five to thirty seven. Now the

2914
02:37:11.120 --> 02:37:13.520
<v Speaker 12>Prime Minister whispers out the side of his mouth that

2915
02:37:13.600 --> 02:37:16.280
<v Speaker 12>nuclear is not safe. He signed us, he signed up

2916
02:37:16.319 --> 02:37:19.520
<v Speaker 12>to nuclear power for our sub mariners, and the Prime

2917
02:37:19.520 --> 02:37:22.280
<v Speaker 12>Minister again, it's another example of just complete this honesty

2918
02:37:22.559 --> 02:37:25.000
<v Speaker 12>in a debate, which I think is worth having between adults.

2919
02:37:25.159 --> 02:37:26.639
<v Speaker 11>I'm just trying to get you one clarity on your

2920
02:37:26.680 --> 02:37:30.079
<v Speaker 11>plans here, mister Dutton, just a moment. If local communities,

2921
02:37:30.120 --> 02:37:33.280
<v Speaker 11>be they local farmers or local communities where you've ear

2922
02:37:33.360 --> 02:37:35.959
<v Speaker 11>marked these nuclear plans to go, they say no, and

2923
02:37:36.040 --> 02:37:38.319
<v Speaker 11>if the state government say no, which in Queensland the

2924
02:37:38.479 --> 02:37:42.040
<v Speaker 11>LNP government isn't on board, what happens? Do you override them?

2925
02:37:42.239 --> 02:37:44.760
<v Speaker 12>Well, David, the comweth obviously has powers and we can

2926
02:37:44.799 --> 02:37:46.920
<v Speaker 12>exercise those powers if need be, but we can work

2927
02:37:47.000 --> 02:37:47.840
<v Speaker 12>with the state governments.

2928
02:37:48.200 --> 02:37:49.079
<v Speaker 10>In South Australia.

2929
02:37:49.120 --> 02:37:51.319
<v Speaker 12>The South Australian Premier has been very clear of his

2930
02:37:51.440 --> 02:37:54.440
<v Speaker 12>support for nuclear as many figures within the Union movement

2931
02:37:54.520 --> 02:37:56.959
<v Speaker 12>and in the Labor Party have as well. So we

2932
02:37:57.079 --> 02:37:59.879
<v Speaker 12>you don't override them, well, will work to find can

2933
02:38:00.079 --> 02:38:02.559
<v Speaker 12>census is commonwealth? If we can't find consensus, then we'll

2934
02:38:02.559 --> 02:38:05.319
<v Speaker 12>do what's in our country's best interests. The Prime Minister

2935
02:38:05.399 --> 02:38:07.719
<v Speaker 12>conveniently in his talk to the Prime Minister well, he

2936
02:38:07.760 --> 02:38:10.000
<v Speaker 12>dropped out the word green hydrogen.

2937
02:38:10.399 --> 02:38:10.520
<v Speaker 8>Right.

2938
02:38:10.600 --> 02:38:13.479
<v Speaker 12>This used to be the underpinning the base load requirement,

2939
02:38:13.840 --> 02:38:16.399
<v Speaker 12>which now of course not a commercial reality. So in

2940
02:38:16.520 --> 02:38:20.040
<v Speaker 12>terms of timing, I think the PM's plan has unraveled somewhere.

2941
02:38:20.079 --> 02:38:22.079
<v Speaker 11>Let me ask you, mister Albineze, about your plan. There

2942
02:38:22.120 --> 02:38:24.959
<v Speaker 11>are local concerns too about some elements of the renewables

2943
02:38:25.040 --> 02:38:27.440
<v Speaker 11>roll out, particularly offshore wind in places like the Hunter

2944
02:38:27.520 --> 02:38:30.319
<v Speaker 11>in New South Wales. What do you say to those

2945
02:38:30.399 --> 02:38:33.799
<v Speaker 11>locals and those local community concerns you overriding them as well?

2946
02:38:33.920 --> 02:38:38.040
<v Speaker 14>Well, that's why you need proper community consultation and environmental approvals.

2947
02:38:38.799 --> 02:38:45.280
<v Speaker 15>Some of the concern is not real. Whales are being.

2948
02:38:45.639 --> 02:38:49.120
<v Speaker 14>Unable to steer their way around in the vast specific

2949
02:38:49.200 --> 02:38:52.360
<v Speaker 14>ocean around a wind tower is not right. They've been

2950
02:38:52.440 --> 02:38:57.799
<v Speaker 14>extended further out as a result of that community consultation process.

2951
02:38:57.879 --> 02:39:02.440
<v Speaker 15>But can I make this point, David, that Peter.

2952
02:39:02.840 --> 02:39:09.799
<v Speaker 14>Won't say the fact every every every, every single state

2953
02:39:10.200 --> 02:39:12.600
<v Speaker 14>and territory government none of them will support it, Not

2954
02:39:12.760 --> 02:39:15.200
<v Speaker 14>just the l and p the Liberal Party here in

2955
02:39:15.280 --> 02:39:18.360
<v Speaker 14>New South Wales, the Liberal Party in Victoria don't support it.

2956
02:39:18.440 --> 02:39:21.319
<v Speaker 15>But that's not what's important. The most important thing is

2957
02:39:21.840 --> 02:39:24.079
<v Speaker 15>the private sector won't back it.

2958
02:39:24.479 --> 02:39:27.639
<v Speaker 11>That's why it has to be your plans now, mister Abenezy,

2959
02:39:28.000 --> 02:39:30.520
<v Speaker 11>you and Chris Bowen keep saying that renewables are the

2960
02:39:30.600 --> 02:39:33.680
<v Speaker 11>cheapest form of power. When will we see our power

2961
02:39:33.719 --> 02:39:34.399
<v Speaker 11>bills come down?

2962
02:39:34.479 --> 02:39:37.760
<v Speaker 14>They are Well, what we know is that renewables are

2963
02:39:37.840 --> 02:39:40.600
<v Speaker 14>the cheapest form of power, not because of what we say,

2964
02:39:41.040 --> 02:39:44.200
<v Speaker 14>but because of what the Australian Energy Market operator says

2965
02:39:45.079 --> 02:39:49.959
<v Speaker 14>come down and what and what the market is delivering. See,

2966
02:39:50.280 --> 02:39:55.159
<v Speaker 14>Peter has to have government state taxpayer funded. We stick

2967
02:39:55.200 --> 02:39:58.520
<v Speaker 14>with your taxpayer funded, taxpayer funded proposals.

2968
02:39:58.840 --> 02:39:59.959
<v Speaker 15>What we're dealing with here.

2969
02:40:00.520 --> 02:40:03.319
<v Speaker 14>During the former government, twenty four out of twenty eight

2970
02:40:03.440 --> 02:40:07.040
<v Speaker 14>coal fire power stations announce their closure. We need to

2971
02:40:07.760 --> 02:40:12.520
<v Speaker 14>get supply and certainty in energy security. We can't wait

2972
02:40:12.639 --> 02:40:15.799
<v Speaker 14>till the twenty forties a nuclear and.

2973
02:40:15.840 --> 02:40:18.000
<v Speaker 11>Just stick with your plan, mister Albinezi. When will the

2974
02:40:18.040 --> 02:40:18.600
<v Speaker 11>bills come.

2975
02:40:18.520 --> 02:40:19.600
<v Speaker 15>Down under our plan?

2976
02:40:19.760 --> 02:40:22.799
<v Speaker 14>We know that renewables are the cheapest form of power

2977
02:40:23.319 --> 02:40:26.760
<v Speaker 14>and that is why we are doing that rolling it out,

2978
02:40:26.840 --> 02:40:31.479
<v Speaker 14>including through gas. Peterraet's gas gas is now thirteen dollars.

2979
02:40:31.639 --> 02:40:35.920
<v Speaker 14>It was thirty dollars and when we came off, thirteen

2980
02:40:36.120 --> 02:40:37.120
<v Speaker 14>is cheaper than thirty.

2981
02:40:37.680 --> 02:40:39.239
<v Speaker 11>When do we see the bills come down?

2982
02:40:39.680 --> 02:40:42.840
<v Speaker 14>Well, what we need to do is to roll out renewables,

2983
02:40:42.920 --> 02:40:45.719
<v Speaker 14>make sure there's energy security, make sure it's backed up

2984
02:40:46.079 --> 02:40:49.840
<v Speaker 14>by batteries, by hydro and by gas. That is what

2985
02:40:50.520 --> 02:40:53.840
<v Speaker 14>all of the private sector is backing and investing in,

2986
02:40:54.360 --> 02:40:58.760
<v Speaker 14>not using taxpayers money to fund something that they never

2987
02:40:58.879 --> 02:41:03.280
<v Speaker 14>put forward time they are in ours. Meanwhile, coal fire powerstations,

2988
02:41:03.319 --> 02:41:06.319
<v Speaker 14>including the one in Callide at the moment, which is

2989
02:41:06.360 --> 02:41:09.159
<v Speaker 14>one of these NECRO sites, is broken down and isn't

2990
02:41:09.239 --> 02:41:09.840
<v Speaker 14>in operation.

2991
02:41:10.159 --> 02:41:13.239
<v Speaker 11>Well, some states are extending the life of these cold

2992
02:41:13.239 --> 02:41:14.000
<v Speaker 11>fired powerstations.

2993
02:41:14.360 --> 02:41:16.840
<v Speaker 14>That is, that is what is causing the increase in

2994
02:41:17.000 --> 02:41:20.840
<v Speaker 14>prices is because of the uncertainty created.

2995
02:41:20.479 --> 02:41:21.680
<v Speaker 11>By saying they shouldn't be doing it.

2996
02:41:22.159 --> 02:41:27.239
<v Speaker 14>No, they need to ensure energy security. But what shouldn't

2997
02:41:27.239 --> 02:41:30.200
<v Speaker 14>have happened was twenty four out of twenty eight coal

2998
02:41:30.319 --> 02:41:34.440
<v Speaker 14>fire power stations announced their closure and no support for

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02:41:34.840 --> 02:41:37.440
<v Speaker 14>energy security. Let me during that time, and we can't

3000
02:41:37.479 --> 02:41:39.879
<v Speaker 14>afford to wait for the twenty forties.

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02:41:39.920 --> 02:41:42.559
<v Speaker 11>Okay, let me ask you both a question about climate change.

3002
02:41:42.719 --> 02:41:45.840
<v Speaker 11>We get a lot of questions about the concerns that

3003
02:41:45.920 --> 02:41:50.799
<v Speaker 11>people have over more intense weather events, be it storms, fires, floods,

3004
02:41:51.719 --> 02:41:54.239
<v Speaker 11>particularly in your home state Queensland. Mister Dutton, do you

3005
02:41:54.479 --> 02:41:57.959
<v Speaker 11>accept that we are already seeing the impact of climate change?

3006
02:41:58.440 --> 02:42:00.760
<v Speaker 12>Well, David, there's an impact of QUI is what we

3007
02:42:00.840 --> 02:42:02.760
<v Speaker 12>can do about it? As a population of twenty seven

3008
02:42:02.840 --> 02:42:06.159
<v Speaker 12>million people, so we should be good corporate citizens, good

3009
02:42:06.559 --> 02:42:10.479
<v Speaker 12>international neighbors, etc. But at the moment, China is building

3010
02:42:10.520 --> 02:42:13.280
<v Speaker 12>two coal fire power stations a week. India obviously is

3011
02:42:13.280 --> 02:42:15.840
<v Speaker 12>burning a lot of fossil fuel. And what the government's

3012
02:42:15.920 --> 02:42:17.799
<v Speaker 12>doing and Chris Bowen gave us.

3013
02:42:18.079 --> 02:42:20.040
<v Speaker 11>Can we stick with your plans again? He mister Dutton,

3014
02:42:20.760 --> 02:42:22.920
<v Speaker 11>I understand the propensity to get stuck into each other.

3015
02:42:23.280 --> 02:42:25.799
<v Speaker 11>You're agreeing we are seeing the impact of climate change.

3016
02:42:26.200 --> 02:42:28.239
<v Speaker 12>I think you can see that there's an impact, David,

3017
02:42:28.280 --> 02:42:30.920
<v Speaker 12>but I don't in my home state. You made reference

3018
02:42:30.959 --> 02:42:34.639
<v Speaker 12>to floods and natural disasters events. We were out in

3019
02:42:34.719 --> 02:42:37.319
<v Speaker 12>Targetminda the other day. That has been a part of

3020
02:42:37.360 --> 02:42:40.840
<v Speaker 12>the history of our state, of this country, and.

3021
02:42:41.680 --> 02:42:43.040
<v Speaker 11>We need too is getting worse.

3022
02:42:43.200 --> 02:42:46.840
<v Speaker 12>Well, I'll leave others you think, I'll let scientists and

3023
02:42:46.879 --> 02:42:49.239
<v Speaker 12>others past that judgment, but really not.

3024
02:42:49.360 --> 02:42:51.719
<v Speaker 11>Willing to say this is climate change happening right now?

3025
02:42:51.799 --> 02:42:53.639
<v Speaker 12>Well, as the Prime Minister refused to do the other

3026
02:42:53.719 --> 02:42:57.000
<v Speaker 12>day to make comment in this regard as well, I

3027
02:42:57.040 --> 02:42:58.799
<v Speaker 12>don't know, David, because I'm not a scientist, and I

3028
02:42:58.879 --> 02:43:02.920
<v Speaker 12>can't tell you whether the temperature has risen in Fargaminde

3029
02:43:03.000 --> 02:43:05.719
<v Speaker 12>as a result of climate change, or that the water

3030
02:43:05.840 --> 02:43:09.399
<v Speaker 12>levels are up in Fargaminder's latest flood as a result

3031
02:43:09.399 --> 02:43:11.600
<v Speaker 12>of climate change. And I think the honest answer for

3032
02:43:11.680 --> 02:43:14.479
<v Speaker 12>most people is that they don't know, and there are

3033
02:43:14.920 --> 02:43:17.120
<v Speaker 12>siders who can provide advice. What I need to do

3034
02:43:17.760 --> 02:43:20.200
<v Speaker 12>as the alternate Prime Minister in this country is to

3035
02:43:20.280 --> 02:43:22.520
<v Speaker 12>put forward our plan about how we go.

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02:43:22.639 --> 02:43:23.399
<v Speaker 10>To help families.

3037
02:43:24.040 --> 02:43:26.520
<v Speaker 12>We need to transition, and we've spoken about that with

3038
02:43:26.600 --> 02:43:30.360
<v Speaker 12>our zero missions technology. But in relation to power costs,

3039
02:43:30.399 --> 02:43:32.200
<v Speaker 12>which I think is a really important issue before we

3040
02:43:32.319 --> 02:43:34.760
<v Speaker 12>move on, the Prime Minister promised too hundred and seventy

3041
02:43:34.799 --> 02:43:37.639
<v Speaker 12>five dollars reduction per year at the last election. It

3042
02:43:37.760 --> 02:43:40.440
<v Speaker 12>has never eventuated. He never mentions the figure and at

3043
02:43:40.520 --> 02:43:42.239
<v Speaker 12>least Chris Balne was able to give you a straighter

3044
02:43:42.280 --> 02:43:44.920
<v Speaker 12>answer than what you just heard before because power prices

3045
02:43:44.959 --> 02:43:47.399
<v Speaker 12>have gone up by thirteen hundred dollars and they are

3046
02:43:47.520 --> 02:43:50.440
<v Speaker 12>making no commitments in this election other than if you

3047
02:43:50.479 --> 02:43:53.680
<v Speaker 12>vote labor, your electricity and your gas prices moved away.

3048
02:43:53.520 --> 02:43:55.399
<v Speaker 11>From the impact of climate change a little there. But

3049
02:43:55.520 --> 02:43:57.959
<v Speaker 11>mister Albinezi, we do know that people in a lot

3050
02:43:58.000 --> 02:44:01.159
<v Speaker 11>of these areas where we're seeing more severe impacts are

3051
02:44:01.239 --> 02:44:04.760
<v Speaker 11>really worried about the impact on their insurance premiums. One

3052
02:44:04.799 --> 02:44:07.920
<v Speaker 11>of our audience members, Ross lives in Balana. Three years ago,

3053
02:44:08.000 --> 02:44:10.360
<v Speaker 11>his premium was less than three thousand dollars. Now it's

3054
02:44:10.399 --> 02:44:13.559
<v Speaker 11>more than six thousand dollars. I mean, that's unaffordable for many.

3055
02:44:13.920 --> 02:44:16.319
<v Speaker 11>What's the role of government here to help people? In

3056
02:44:16.360 --> 02:44:16.719
<v Speaker 11>that stage?

3057
02:44:16.719 --> 02:44:19.959
<v Speaker 14>Can I talk about science and be a prime minister

3058
02:44:20.040 --> 02:44:22.920
<v Speaker 14>who backs it out up? The science is very clear.

3059
02:44:23.319 --> 02:44:26.319
<v Speaker 14>Doesn't mean that every single weather event is because of

3060
02:44:26.399 --> 02:44:29.440
<v Speaker 14>climate change. It does mean that the science told us

3061
02:44:29.879 --> 02:44:32.239
<v Speaker 14>that the events would be more extreme and they'd be

3062
02:44:32.399 --> 02:44:35.399
<v Speaker 14>more frequent, and that is what we are seeing playing out,

3063
02:44:35.479 --> 02:44:39.280
<v Speaker 14>whether it be increased bush fires, increased flooding, these extreme

3064
02:44:39.360 --> 02:44:41.959
<v Speaker 14>weather events that are having an impact. So when we

3065
02:44:42.079 --> 02:44:45.200
<v Speaker 14>talk about the costs, this is one of the costs,

3066
02:44:45.600 --> 02:44:48.079
<v Speaker 14>the cost to our economy as well as the cost

3067
02:44:48.159 --> 02:44:51.079
<v Speaker 14>to our environment of not acting on climate change, of

3068
02:44:51.239 --> 02:44:53.120
<v Speaker 14>not being a part of the global solution.

3069
02:44:53.879 --> 02:44:56.120
<v Speaker 11>Severe Okay, I want to move on. Let's turn to

3070
02:44:56.479 --> 02:44:59.520
<v Speaker 11>the global outlook and an issue that certainly fled in

3071
02:44:59.559 --> 02:45:02.719
<v Speaker 11>the last couple of days. Mister Dutton, yesterday you jumped

3072
02:45:02.760 --> 02:45:05.360
<v Speaker 11>on reports that Russia had asked to base some of

3073
02:45:05.399 --> 02:45:09.879
<v Speaker 11>its military aircraft in Indonesia. You suggested this would represent

3074
02:45:09.959 --> 02:45:13.040
<v Speaker 11>a catastrophic failure of the Albanesi government for not seeing this,

3075
02:45:13.200 --> 02:45:15.719
<v Speaker 11>not knowing that it was coming. You said the Indonesian

3076
02:45:15.760 --> 02:45:20.840
<v Speaker 11>president had publicly announced this Russian request when he had not.

3077
02:45:21.479 --> 02:45:25.120
<v Speaker 11>Indonesia says there won't be Russian planes based there. Do

3078
02:45:25.200 --> 02:45:26.280
<v Speaker 11>you admit you got that wrong?

3079
02:45:26.520 --> 02:45:31.319
<v Speaker 12>Well, David, the reference I was making should have been

3080
02:45:31.360 --> 02:45:33.280
<v Speaker 12>to the president. That was in relation to sources from

3081
02:45:33.319 --> 02:45:34.200
<v Speaker 12>the Proboo government.

3082
02:45:34.360 --> 02:45:35.159
<v Speaker 10>So was that a mistake.

3083
02:45:35.639 --> 02:45:39.280
<v Speaker 12>It was a mistake, and I'm happy to admit what

3084
02:45:39.559 --> 02:45:43.959
<v Speaker 12>we got from the Indonesian authorities in the reports, and

3085
02:45:44.000 --> 02:45:46.280
<v Speaker 12>the Prime Minister commented on these reports yesterday as well,

3086
02:45:47.280 --> 02:45:50.760
<v Speaker 12>was that the sources inside the Proboo government confirmed that

3087
02:45:50.840 --> 02:45:52.399
<v Speaker 12>that was the case. Now, what we've seen in the

3088
02:45:52.479 --> 02:45:55.360
<v Speaker 12>last twelve hours or so is that the Russian Envoid

3089
02:45:55.399 --> 02:46:00.360
<v Speaker 12>two Indonesia has confirmed that there have been discussions, and

3090
02:46:00.559 --> 02:46:04.079
<v Speaker 12>obviously there is a concerning closeness in that relationship. And

3091
02:46:04.559 --> 02:46:06.719
<v Speaker 12>I think the main point here is that the Prime

3092
02:46:06.719 --> 02:46:09.680
<v Speaker 12>Minister knew nothing of it, nothing of the concerns, nothing

3093
02:46:09.719 --> 02:46:12.399
<v Speaker 12>of the prospect. The Prime Minister found out about it

3094
02:46:12.760 --> 02:46:15.840
<v Speaker 12>through a news report, similarly to when the Chinese naval

3095
02:46:15.879 --> 02:46:18.760
<v Speaker 12>ship circumnavigates our country, and he doesn't know about all

3096
02:46:18.799 --> 02:46:22.200
<v Speaker 12>of the detail until Virgin pilot provides the detail.

3097
02:46:22.399 --> 02:46:27.360
<v Speaker 11>Clearly, mister Albanezi, they're expanding defense cooperations going on between

3098
02:46:27.520 --> 02:46:31.159
<v Speaker 11>Russia and Indonesia. That held some exercises in November, and

3099
02:46:31.319 --> 02:46:34.479
<v Speaker 11>just yesterday Russia's deputy Prime minister met the Indonesian President

3100
02:46:34.639 --> 02:46:35.399
<v Speaker 11>in Jakarta.

3101
02:46:35.920 --> 02:46:39.440
<v Speaker 14>Does this concern you, Well, that's an extraordinary double down

3102
02:46:39.719 --> 02:46:44.120
<v Speaker 14>from the alternative Prime Minister of Australia who verbal the

3103
02:46:44.280 --> 02:46:49.440
<v Speaker 14>Indonesian president yesterday. Indonesia will be the fourth largest economy

3104
02:46:49.719 --> 02:46:53.959
<v Speaker 14>in the world. They are an important partner of Australia.

3105
02:46:54.440 --> 02:47:00.719
<v Speaker 14>We have an important defense relationship with Indonesia as well, Proboo,

3106
02:47:00.920 --> 02:47:03.799
<v Speaker 14>I regard as a personal friend and we have good

3107
02:47:03.879 --> 02:47:06.920
<v Speaker 14>relations there. And the idea that you just throw out

3108
02:47:07.040 --> 02:47:12.280
<v Speaker 14>these comments is just extraordinary. And the fact that we

3109
02:47:12.559 --> 02:47:15.000
<v Speaker 14>just saw a double down on it, as if there's

3110
02:47:15.079 --> 02:47:19.360
<v Speaker 14>nothing to see here, just shows that there's no understanding

3111
02:47:19.399 --> 02:47:25.120
<v Speaker 14>of the need for diplomacy. Diplomacy means engaging seriously in

3112
02:47:25.280 --> 02:47:30.760
<v Speaker 14>a calibrated, serious way, treating Indonesia with respect, as we

3113
02:47:30.879 --> 02:47:32.840
<v Speaker 14>do other nations that we deal with.

3114
02:47:33.120 --> 02:47:35.280
<v Speaker 11>Well, just quickly on that you said, you pointed out

3115
02:47:35.319 --> 02:47:39.760
<v Speaker 11>Indonesia is an important partner. You said President Sibianto's a

3116
02:47:40.000 --> 02:47:43.399
<v Speaker 11>personal friend. Why haven't you been to Indonesia since he

3117
02:47:43.520 --> 02:47:44.239
<v Speaker 11>became president?

3118
02:47:45.239 --> 02:47:50.319
<v Speaker 14>Because I've been here domestically, but the president I have

3119
02:47:50.479 --> 02:47:54.639
<v Speaker 14>spoken with, and the president was here just before his inauguration.

3120
02:47:55.319 --> 02:47:56.159
<v Speaker 11>When did you last speek.

3121
02:47:56.360 --> 02:47:57.600
<v Speaker 15>He's a regular visitor.

3122
02:47:57.840 --> 02:48:01.520
<v Speaker 11>We speak regularly and spoken about this about their WEE

3123
02:48:01.639 --> 02:48:02.520
<v Speaker 11>operation with Russia.

3124
02:48:03.000 --> 02:48:06.319
<v Speaker 14>Well, I don't broadcast the private discussion, but we had

3125
02:48:06.399 --> 02:48:09.920
<v Speaker 14>discussions at the senior levels of government. Government to government

3126
02:48:10.440 --> 02:48:16.360
<v Speaker 14>confirmed that. Peter says, why didn't we know something that

3127
02:48:16.520 --> 02:48:21.040
<v Speaker 14>didn't exist? And what didn't exist? And Indonesia has confirmed

3128
02:48:21.079 --> 02:48:24.879
<v Speaker 14>the idea of a base being used by the Russian

3129
02:48:24.920 --> 02:48:26.559
<v Speaker 14>Air Force in West Papa.

3130
02:48:26.719 --> 02:48:28.200
<v Speaker 11>Do you accept that, mester Up, No, I don't.

3131
02:48:28.239 --> 02:48:29.920
<v Speaker 12>I don't accept that, And I think the Prime minister's

3132
02:48:29.920 --> 02:48:32.079
<v Speaker 12>full of bluster here because he knows that he's got

3133
02:48:32.120 --> 02:48:35.120
<v Speaker 12>it wrong again in relation to national security. This is

3134
02:48:35.120 --> 02:48:37.399
<v Speaker 12>the government that's tripped eighty billion dollars out of defense,

3135
02:48:38.000 --> 02:48:43.120
<v Speaker 12>and we've seen the relationship in relation to Indonesia and

3136
02:48:43.200 --> 02:48:44.079
<v Speaker 12>Russia grow closer.

3137
02:48:44.479 --> 02:48:44.600
<v Speaker 8>Now.

3138
02:48:44.680 --> 02:48:47.520
<v Speaker 12>Indonesia is an incredibly important partner. I met with the

3139
02:48:47.719 --> 02:48:49.719
<v Speaker 12>President elect when he was out here, and I had

3140
02:48:49.760 --> 02:48:52.840
<v Speaker 12>a very good relationship with him as Defense Minister when

3141
02:48:52.840 --> 02:48:54.719
<v Speaker 12>we were both in that portfolio. I had a lot

3142
02:48:54.760 --> 02:48:57.879
<v Speaker 12>to do with the previous with the previous president in

3143
02:48:58.000 --> 02:49:02.120
<v Speaker 12>Indonesia as well. So we have a stable, solid relationship.

3144
02:49:02.200 --> 02:49:05.280
<v Speaker 12>But that means that if there is to be some

3145
02:49:05.600 --> 02:49:09.639
<v Speaker 12>change in the security settings in our region, that if

3146
02:49:09.680 --> 02:49:12.280
<v Speaker 12>there is respect for the Albanezi government. Of course there

3147
02:49:12.360 --> 02:49:13.959
<v Speaker 12>is not at the moment, because I see this Prime

3148
02:49:14.000 --> 02:49:17.799
<v Speaker 12>minister as weak. Then why wouldn't there be a response,

3149
02:49:17.879 --> 02:49:20.200
<v Speaker 12>or why wouldn't there be even to the Foreign Minister,

3150
02:49:20.319 --> 02:49:23.440
<v Speaker 12>to the Defense Minister, to say, I think it's an

3151
02:49:23.440 --> 02:49:24.200
<v Speaker 12>important point.

3152
02:49:24.079 --> 02:49:26.600
<v Speaker 14>Peter suggesting that there should be a response to something

3153
02:49:26.680 --> 02:49:30.239
<v Speaker 14>that isn't happening. And this is the second of the

3154
02:49:31.280 --> 02:49:36.559
<v Speaker 14>failures that we've seen of diplomacy and of mature responses

3155
02:49:36.639 --> 02:49:40.600
<v Speaker 14>to international issues. Just during this campaign, when President Trump

3156
02:49:41.239 --> 02:49:43.879
<v Speaker 14>made the announcement that every single country in the world

3157
02:49:43.959 --> 02:49:48.040
<v Speaker 14>will be hit with tariffs, the alternative Prime Minister suggested

3158
02:49:48.600 --> 02:49:52.200
<v Speaker 14>that we should put defense and our defense relationship with

3159
02:49:52.319 --> 02:49:55.360
<v Speaker 14>the United States on the bargaining table, and it took

3160
02:49:55.479 --> 02:49:57.559
<v Speaker 14>John Howard to intervene to point out.

3161
02:49:57.479 --> 02:50:01.319
<v Speaker 11>Ok, we've made it forty minutes and finally Donald Trump's

3162
02:50:01.399 --> 02:50:03.879
<v Speaker 11>name gets mentioned. He's not in this room, but he

3163
02:50:03.959 --> 02:50:06.000
<v Speaker 11>of course has a big influence on the future of

3164
02:50:06.000 --> 02:50:09.200
<v Speaker 11>Australia and the world. He has hit Australia with the

3165
02:50:09.280 --> 02:50:12.159
<v Speaker 11>ten percent tariff, he started a trade war with China.

3166
02:50:13.040 --> 02:50:17.200
<v Speaker 11>He's treating friends and allies with disdain. Mister Dutton, to

3167
02:50:17.280 --> 02:50:19.319
<v Speaker 11>you first, do you trust this president?

3168
02:50:19.680 --> 02:50:19.799
<v Speaker 8>Well?

3169
02:50:19.879 --> 02:50:22.760
<v Speaker 12>David I said in relation to President Trump that I

3170
02:50:22.879 --> 02:50:25.680
<v Speaker 12>thought the scenes that we saw coming out of the

3171
02:50:25.719 --> 02:50:28.799
<v Speaker 12>White House, the treatment of President Zelenski was a disgrace,

3172
02:50:28.879 --> 02:50:31.559
<v Speaker 12>that it was appalling, and I stand by those comments

3173
02:50:31.760 --> 02:50:34.639
<v Speaker 12>and we need to have a very strong working relationship

3174
02:50:34.680 --> 02:50:35.399
<v Speaker 12>with the United States.

3175
02:50:35.440 --> 02:50:36.879
<v Speaker 11>Of course we do. Do you trust him?

3176
02:50:36.959 --> 02:50:39.719
<v Speaker 10>Was the question, Well, we trust the United States and

3177
02:50:39.879 --> 02:50:40.879
<v Speaker 10>I don't know the President.

3178
02:50:41.760 --> 02:50:42.520
<v Speaker 11>I've not met him.

3179
02:50:43.239 --> 02:50:46.360
<v Speaker 12>Prime Minister obviously has been able to but I'm not

3180
02:50:46.440 --> 02:50:49.559
<v Speaker 12>wanting to say you trust I don't know Donald Trump?

3181
02:50:49.680 --> 02:50:50.159
<v Speaker 10>Is my point.

3182
02:50:50.399 --> 02:50:54.040
<v Speaker 12>My point is that who I trust is the Australian people.

3183
02:50:54.040 --> 02:50:56.719
<v Speaker 12>In My job is to stand up for our country's interests,

3184
02:50:56.719 --> 02:50:59.959
<v Speaker 12>which is what I did when we negotiated the orcan

3185
02:51:00.079 --> 02:51:01.120
<v Speaker 12>still with President Biden.

3186
02:51:01.639 --> 02:51:04.239
<v Speaker 11>Mister Albinezi, do you trust Donald Trump?

3187
02:51:04.559 --> 02:51:06.799
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, I have no reason not to. I've had a

3188
02:51:06.879 --> 02:51:10.440
<v Speaker 14>couple of discussions with him. In the last discussion we

3189
02:51:10.600 --> 02:51:14.639
<v Speaker 14>agreed on a series of words that he would give consideration.

3190
02:51:14.840 --> 02:51:19.239
<v Speaker 14>Great consideration was the words that he used, and he

3191
02:51:19.399 --> 02:51:22.920
<v Speaker 14>did that. In the end, he made a decision as

3192
02:51:23.040 --> 02:51:26.360
<v Speaker 14>part of the US administration to put these tariffs on

3193
02:51:26.680 --> 02:51:29.520
<v Speaker 14>every country. We got the lowest amount, but we made

3194
02:51:29.520 --> 02:51:31.559
<v Speaker 14>it very clear that that was an act of self

3195
02:51:31.639 --> 02:51:35.520
<v Speaker 14>harm by the United States. The United States enjoys the

3196
02:51:35.600 --> 02:51:37.040
<v Speaker 14>trade surplus with Australia.

3197
02:51:37.520 --> 02:51:38.239
<v Speaker 8>All this will do.

3198
02:51:38.760 --> 02:51:42.639
<v Speaker 15>All this will do is put up costs for American consumers.

3199
02:51:42.319 --> 02:51:44.639
<v Speaker 11>Just what we're at it. Do you trust China's president?

3200
02:51:44.799 --> 02:51:45.319
<v Speaker 11>She did big.

3201
02:51:45.479 --> 02:51:46.799
<v Speaker 15>I have no reason not to either.

3202
02:51:47.079 --> 02:51:50.680
<v Speaker 14>In terms of the discussions that we have had as

3203
02:51:51.000 --> 02:51:56.520
<v Speaker 14>one on one discussions have been important. China's our major

3204
02:51:56.559 --> 02:52:00.360
<v Speaker 14>trading partner. One in four Australian jobs depends upon trade.

3205
02:52:00.760 --> 02:52:04.959
<v Speaker 14>Is in Australia's national interest to have a good economic

3206
02:52:05.079 --> 02:52:08.639
<v Speaker 14>relationship with China. We have different political systems and that

3207
02:52:08.799 --> 02:52:12.600
<v Speaker 14>means different values, and we have very different values with China.

3208
02:52:12.680 --> 02:52:15.360
<v Speaker 14>But what I've said is we'll cooperate where we can,

3209
02:52:15.479 --> 02:52:18.120
<v Speaker 14>We'll disagree where we must, but we'll engage in our

3210
02:52:18.200 --> 02:52:18.920
<v Speaker 14>national interest.

3211
02:52:19.319 --> 02:52:20.079
<v Speaker 11>Do you trust well?

3212
02:52:20.360 --> 02:52:22.719
<v Speaker 12>Again, I don't know the president of China, but I

3213
02:52:22.879 --> 02:52:26.000
<v Speaker 12>believe very strongly in the relationship that we have because

3214
02:52:26.120 --> 02:52:28.600
<v Speaker 12>of the reasons of Prime Minister outlines it's important for

3215
02:52:28.680 --> 02:52:32.399
<v Speaker 12>our economic stability and our sovereignty and government. We negotiated

3216
02:52:32.479 --> 02:52:35.120
<v Speaker 12>eleven free trade agreements. This government's only been able to

3217
02:52:35.200 --> 02:52:38.239
<v Speaker 12>negotiate one of the eleven. One was with China. I

3218
02:52:38.280 --> 02:52:40.079
<v Speaker 12>want to see the relationship grow and I want to

3219
02:52:40.079 --> 02:52:42.680
<v Speaker 12>see trust in the relationship, but we have to stand

3220
02:52:42.760 --> 02:52:43.760
<v Speaker 12>up for our sovereignty.

3221
02:52:43.799 --> 02:52:45.840
<v Speaker 10>We have to have a respectful relationship.

3222
02:52:45.879 --> 02:52:47.479
<v Speaker 12>I had a very good meeting with the premier from

3223
02:52:47.559 --> 02:52:49.920
<v Speaker 12>China when he was out only a couple of months ago,

3224
02:52:50.120 --> 02:52:53.680
<v Speaker 12>and we can build the relationship trust in well again,

3225
02:52:53.879 --> 02:52:55.520
<v Speaker 12>I've spoke to him across the table, so I haven't

3226
02:52:55.520 --> 02:52:58.879
<v Speaker 12>done business with him and shaken hands and seen whether

3227
02:52:58.959 --> 02:52:59.920
<v Speaker 12>somebody's honored that deal.

3228
02:53:00.159 --> 02:53:02.239
<v Speaker 10>But I didn't have any reason to trust.

3229
02:53:03.559 --> 02:53:06.680
<v Speaker 14>Can I make the point In the agreements that I've

3230
02:53:07.000 --> 02:53:11.319
<v Speaker 14>reached with Premier Lee, they have all resulted in precisely

3231
02:53:11.399 --> 02:53:14.559
<v Speaker 14>what was agreed on both sides. And now as a

3232
02:53:14.639 --> 02:53:17.959
<v Speaker 14>result of that, twenty billion dollars of trade with China

3233
02:53:18.079 --> 02:53:19.000
<v Speaker 14>has been restored.

3234
02:53:19.319 --> 02:53:21.000
<v Speaker 10>A lot of people are because of the free trade

3235
02:53:21.000 --> 02:53:21.799
<v Speaker 10>agreement that we saw it.

3236
02:53:23.120 --> 02:53:26.959
<v Speaker 14>It didn't operate for the entire time in which your

3237
02:53:27.079 --> 02:53:30.920
<v Speaker 14>last turn there were no discussions. Well again there's no contact,

3238
02:53:31.000 --> 02:53:33.000
<v Speaker 14>no funatraals, no meetings, no trade.

3239
02:53:33.040 --> 02:53:34.959
<v Speaker 12>Well there wasn't diplomatic free well in terms of the

3240
02:53:35.040 --> 02:53:39.000
<v Speaker 12>trade relationship, it was something that we established through the

3241
02:53:39.040 --> 02:53:39.879
<v Speaker 12>free trade agreement.

3242
02:53:40.200 --> 02:53:41.120
<v Speaker 11>It did start well.

3243
02:53:41.360 --> 02:53:44.719
<v Speaker 12>There were difficulties in relation to five G David so

3244
02:53:45.200 --> 02:53:47.559
<v Speaker 12>talk about that period. We took a decision as a

3245
02:53:47.639 --> 02:53:50.959
<v Speaker 12>government to exclude high risk vendors from five G because

3246
02:53:51.280 --> 02:53:53.399
<v Speaker 12>we wanted to protect our telecommunications system.

3247
02:53:53.760 --> 02:53:55.360
<v Speaker 10>China was upset in relation to that.

3248
02:53:55.440 --> 02:53:58.120
<v Speaker 12>If the Prime Minister's suggesting, because it was a bipartisan

3249
02:53:58.159 --> 02:54:01.040
<v Speaker 12>position at the time, that that was an appropriate step

3250
02:54:01.079 --> 02:54:03.239
<v Speaker 12>for us to take in our national interests, that he

3251
02:54:03.280 --> 02:54:03.799
<v Speaker 12>probably should.

3252
02:54:03.799 --> 02:54:06.000
<v Speaker 11>So let's come back to Donald Trump. It's a while

3253
02:54:06.079 --> 02:54:08.200
<v Speaker 11>since you've had a conversation. We how this tariff put

3254
02:54:08.239 --> 02:54:10.319
<v Speaker 11>on us at ten percent plus the tariff's on steel

3255
02:54:10.360 --> 02:54:13.799
<v Speaker 11>an aluminium. You've suggested some sort of deal around critical

3256
02:54:13.840 --> 02:54:17.360
<v Speaker 11>minerals is on the table. The critical minerals reserve, strategic reserve.

3257
02:54:18.079 --> 02:54:20.680
<v Speaker 11>What is that, mister Albanezi And what exactly are you

3258
02:54:20.799 --> 02:54:21.799
<v Speaker 11>offering Donald Trump.

3259
02:54:22.399 --> 02:54:27.360
<v Speaker 14>Well, we're engaged diplomatically, not through a TV interview, but

3260
02:54:27.600 --> 02:54:28.799
<v Speaker 14>we have put forward.

3261
02:54:28.559 --> 02:54:32.200
<v Speaker 15>A proposition to the United States. The United States have.

3262
02:54:32.239 --> 02:54:38.319
<v Speaker 14>Put forward publicly their complaints about Australia. We won't budge

3263
02:54:38.879 --> 02:54:44.520
<v Speaker 14>on the pharmaceutical benefit scheme, we won't budge on biosecurity issues,

3264
02:54:44.840 --> 02:54:48.040
<v Speaker 14>we won't budge on the media Bargaining Code. We will

3265
02:54:48.120 --> 02:54:53.319
<v Speaker 14>stand up for Australia's national interest because that is important.

3266
02:54:53.680 --> 02:54:56.920
<v Speaker 14>So we'll continue to engage with the United States.

3267
02:54:57.040 --> 02:55:01.120
<v Speaker 11>But we hope yourself about hope reserve being put on

3268
02:55:01.200 --> 02:55:01.600
<v Speaker 11>the table.

3269
02:55:02.120 --> 02:55:03.239
<v Speaker 9>That's right. So what is it?

3270
02:55:03.840 --> 02:55:06.680
<v Speaker 14>Well, a critical minerals reserve is just that it's a

3271
02:55:06.760 --> 02:55:12.520
<v Speaker 14>reserve of the critical minerals and rarers which Australia has

3272
02:55:12.719 --> 02:55:15.680
<v Speaker 14>an abundance of. We have the entire period, you can

3273
02:55:15.799 --> 02:55:18.000
<v Speaker 14>periodic table here, you can have it, you can have

3274
02:55:18.120 --> 02:55:18.399
<v Speaker 14>it this.

3275
02:55:18.639 --> 02:55:21.000
<v Speaker 15>Well, no, well, we will negotiate.

3276
02:55:21.079 --> 02:55:25.520
<v Speaker 14>The United States is very keen to get access to

3277
02:55:25.840 --> 02:55:30.399
<v Speaker 14>critical minerals and rarers. The trade dispute with China is

3278
02:55:30.639 --> 02:55:35.440
<v Speaker 14>particularly concerning to many in the US economy, So.

3279
02:55:35.520 --> 02:55:37.159
<v Speaker 11>We reserve this for the United States.

3280
02:55:37.959 --> 02:55:41.479
<v Speaker 15>No, well, we'll negotiate with the United States rather than

3281
02:55:41.520 --> 02:55:42.159
<v Speaker 15>with you, David.

3282
02:55:43.040 --> 02:55:45.799
<v Speaker 11>Try with respect, mister Dutton. You've said you'd get a

3283
02:55:45.840 --> 02:55:48.840
<v Speaker 11>deal very quickly with Donald Trump, that he dropped these tariffs.

3284
02:55:49.440 --> 02:55:52.239
<v Speaker 11>No other leaders manage this. How do you plan to

3285
02:55:52.799 --> 02:55:53.319
<v Speaker 11>pull this one on?

3286
02:55:53.479 --> 02:55:56.360
<v Speaker 12>Well, we did actually in the forty fifth presidency when

3287
02:55:56.399 --> 02:55:59.680
<v Speaker 12>President Trump was first elected. We were able to negotiate

3288
02:55:59.719 --> 02:56:02.559
<v Speaker 12>as a government then and outcome where Australia was existing.

3289
02:56:02.639 --> 02:56:04.520
<v Speaker 11>How would you do it now? Well, again, as we

3290
02:56:04.600 --> 02:56:07.319
<v Speaker 11>did olcome termal at the time. Well as we it's

3291
02:56:07.319 --> 02:56:09.719
<v Speaker 11>a lot harder now as we did last time. We

3292
02:56:09.799 --> 02:56:11.479
<v Speaker 11>were able to leverage relationships.

3293
02:56:11.920 --> 02:56:16.040
<v Speaker 12>Unfortunately, sadly for our country, Ambassador Rudd can't get into

3294
02:56:16.120 --> 02:56:18.399
<v Speaker 12>the West Wing and can't get a conversation average the relation.

3295
02:56:19.879 --> 02:56:22.120
<v Speaker 12>It means, as we did last time, David, we look

3296
02:56:22.200 --> 02:56:25.879
<v Speaker 12>at people with whom we have a relationship, contacts both

3297
02:56:25.959 --> 02:56:29.079
<v Speaker 12>within the West Wing, within the administration and those external

3298
02:56:29.120 --> 02:56:31.719
<v Speaker 12>to the administration. The trouble is that Anthony didn't think

3299
02:56:31.719 --> 02:56:33.479
<v Speaker 12>that Donald Trump was going to be elected and put

3300
02:56:33.520 --> 02:56:38.719
<v Speaker 12>nothing into the relationship. And unfortunately Australia, our beef producers

3301
02:56:38.799 --> 02:56:41.959
<v Speaker 12>and others are now facing this ten percent tariff.

3302
02:56:41.639 --> 02:56:44.559
<v Speaker 11>And we've got closer ties with the Trump we have.

3303
02:56:44.719 --> 02:56:47.280
<v Speaker 12>I think we have the ability, as we demonstrated before,

3304
02:56:48.079 --> 02:56:51.840
<v Speaker 12>to talk to the administration. And again the mistruth that

3305
02:56:52.000 --> 02:56:54.680
<v Speaker 12>was spoken before by the Prime Minister about John Howard.

3306
02:56:55.239 --> 02:56:58.639
<v Speaker 12>The point I make, which is I think accepted by

3307
02:56:58.760 --> 02:57:01.680
<v Speaker 12>most sensible people, is that it as John Howard agrees with,

3308
02:57:01.799 --> 02:57:04.719
<v Speaker 12>that we should be doing everything we can to enhance

3309
02:57:04.799 --> 02:57:09.399
<v Speaker 12>the relationship to make our two countries stronger together. We've

3310
02:57:09.440 --> 02:57:11.399
<v Speaker 12>been with the United States for the last one hundred years.

3311
02:57:11.399 --> 02:57:13.200
<v Speaker 11>It sounds like your answer to this is because you've

3312
02:57:13.239 --> 02:57:16.959
<v Speaker 11>got closer relationships with the Trump team, you'd be able

3313
02:57:16.959 --> 02:57:17.479
<v Speaker 11>to get a deal.

3314
02:57:18.639 --> 02:57:22.360
<v Speaker 12>We have I think a capacity demonstrated. We've already done that, David,

3315
02:57:22.479 --> 02:57:26.399
<v Speaker 12>and we demonstrated it in the first president, so that

3316
02:57:26.440 --> 02:57:28.600
<v Speaker 12>we're able to get an exemption when other countries weren't.

3317
02:57:29.000 --> 02:57:30.120
<v Speaker 10>So all I'm saying is that.

3318
02:57:30.200 --> 02:57:32.159
<v Speaker 11>Everyone else in the world can't get it.

3319
02:57:32.600 --> 02:57:36.399
<v Speaker 12>You would well, as you know when other countries were

3320
02:57:36.479 --> 02:57:38.680
<v Speaker 12>slapped with the tariff. Last time we were exempt from

3321
02:57:38.719 --> 02:57:39.879
<v Speaker 12>it under a coalition government.

3322
02:57:39.920 --> 02:57:41.920
<v Speaker 11>There were plenty of others. This time, no one's got

3323
02:57:41.959 --> 02:57:43.799
<v Speaker 11>an exemption. Well, you reckon you could.

3324
02:57:43.799 --> 02:57:45.559
<v Speaker 12>We've got an ambassador now who can't get a phone

3325
02:57:45.600 --> 02:57:47.840
<v Speaker 12>call to the president. We had an ambassador who used

3326
02:57:47.840 --> 02:57:51.360
<v Speaker 12>to play golf with him. We have people in Washington

3327
02:57:51.680 --> 02:57:54.799
<v Speaker 12>who have worked for coalition governments, people who have worked

3328
02:57:54.840 --> 02:57:57.200
<v Speaker 12>for the Australian government. I think there is the ability

3329
02:57:57.280 --> 02:57:59.360
<v Speaker 12>to do a deal. A point I was making in

3330
02:57:59.399 --> 02:58:01.680
<v Speaker 12>relation to the events is that the Americans came to

3331
02:58:01.799 --> 02:58:04.000
<v Speaker 12>our aid in the Battle of the Coral Sea. We've

3332
02:58:04.000 --> 02:58:08.040
<v Speaker 12>stood with America through every battle. It is an incredible relationship.

3333
02:58:08.360 --> 02:58:10.280
<v Speaker 12>I think in relation to critical minerals. You can look

3334
02:58:10.280 --> 02:58:12.680
<v Speaker 12>at off take agreements. You can look at supply chain

3335
02:58:12.719 --> 02:58:15.440
<v Speaker 12>of surety for the United States so that their weapons

3336
02:58:15.440 --> 02:58:18.879
<v Speaker 12>systems and their guide of weapons can be constructed. And

3337
02:58:19.000 --> 02:58:21.639
<v Speaker 12>that is a critical part of what I think we

3338
02:58:21.719 --> 02:58:23.639
<v Speaker 12>can bring to the table. It's not a threat. It's

3339
02:58:23.639 --> 02:58:26.719
<v Speaker 12>about how you can enhance the relationship which seems to

3340
02:58:26.879 --> 02:58:28.399
<v Speaker 12>escape have escaped discoverment just.

3341
02:58:28.600 --> 02:58:30.559
<v Speaker 11>A quick one. You're both on a unity ticket when

3342
02:58:30.559 --> 02:58:32.319
<v Speaker 11>it comes to August. By the sounds of it, you

3343
02:58:32.360 --> 02:58:34.639
<v Speaker 11>want to stick with it despite the volatility created by

3344
02:58:34.719 --> 02:58:37.879
<v Speaker 11>Donald Trump. Is there a need for any contingency planning

3345
02:58:37.920 --> 02:58:38.360
<v Speaker 11>at defense?

3346
02:58:38.440 --> 02:58:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Though?

3347
02:58:38.760 --> 02:58:42.840
<v Speaker 11>If Elon Musk, for example, advisors Trump that their shipbuilding

3348
02:58:42.920 --> 02:58:47.520
<v Speaker 11>industry can't cope with sharing submarines with Australia. Mister Albanezi,

3349
02:58:47.559 --> 02:58:48.920
<v Speaker 11>do we need some contingency planning?

3350
02:58:49.120 --> 02:58:51.719
<v Speaker 14>No, because this is in the interests of both Australia

3351
02:58:51.799 --> 02:58:54.639
<v Speaker 14>and the United States and the United Kingdom as well.

3352
02:58:54.639 --> 02:58:57.399
<v Speaker 11>So no contingency plans. All the chips are on August.

3353
02:58:57.559 --> 02:59:00.360
<v Speaker 15>This is in the interests of the US.

3354
02:59:00.639 --> 02:59:04.559
<v Speaker 14>We have I've been on a US sub there in

3355
02:59:05.079 --> 02:59:09.760
<v Speaker 14>Wa that's been doctor nuclear powered submarine. They are Australia

3356
02:59:10.159 --> 02:59:14.840
<v Speaker 14>there are Australian mariners working on that submarine. We have

3357
02:59:15.000 --> 02:59:18.360
<v Speaker 14>people in the United States, in the United Kingdom working

3358
02:59:18.479 --> 02:59:22.399
<v Speaker 14>on the Orchest project, and it has a bipartisan support.

3359
02:59:22.879 --> 02:59:27.000
<v Speaker 14>And what is extraordinary is a questioning of that does

3360
02:59:27.159 --> 02:59:31.440
<v Speaker 14>nothing to advance Australia's national interests. The important thing about

3361
02:59:31.520 --> 02:59:36.079
<v Speaker 14>international relations is that you shouldn't try to score domestic

3362
02:59:36.239 --> 02:59:37.600
<v Speaker 14>political points through it.

3363
02:59:38.200 --> 02:59:40.639
<v Speaker 11>Look, I want to turn to well just on that point.

3364
02:59:41.399 --> 02:59:44.600
<v Speaker 12>So when the Prime Minister sneakily says to an audience,

3365
02:59:44.639 --> 02:59:47.399
<v Speaker 12>when he thinks he's not being watched, that nuclear is unsafe,

3366
02:59:47.440 --> 02:59:50.879
<v Speaker 12>what does that say to our American partners when we've

3367
02:59:50.959 --> 02:59:56.000
<v Speaker 12>got our sailors, our sub mariners on submarines on the Virginia.

3368
02:59:55.959 --> 03:00:00.079
<v Speaker 14>Suggesting signed I signed. I went to San Diego. I

3369
03:00:00.239 --> 03:00:03.760
<v Speaker 14>signed with President Biden the agreements.

3370
03:00:03.319 --> 03:00:05.879
<v Speaker 10>I'm seeking for political neglec power.

3371
03:00:06.000 --> 03:00:07.040
<v Speaker 15>That's what submarines.

3372
03:00:07.360 --> 03:00:09.399
<v Speaker 12>What the government hasn't done, which has been noticed by

3373
03:00:09.479 --> 03:00:12.479
<v Speaker 12>the United States. They have invested into Orcus, and they

3374
03:00:12.520 --> 03:00:16.639
<v Speaker 12>have invested into Pillar two of UCAS. They've cannibalized Army,

3375
03:00:17.280 --> 03:00:21.559
<v Speaker 12>Navy and Air Force to pay for some of the firstments.

3376
03:00:21.840 --> 03:00:23.239
<v Speaker 12>There's no line item.

3377
03:00:23.040 --> 03:00:27.799
<v Speaker 14>For complete nonsense we have increased defense spending by fifty

3378
03:00:28.120 --> 03:00:33.200
<v Speaker 14>seven billion dollars. We had a defense strategic review that

3379
03:00:33.440 --> 03:00:37.479
<v Speaker 14>found put simply that we need more things that go bang,

3380
03:00:38.200 --> 03:00:40.719
<v Speaker 14>and that's why we have guided missiles that we're not

3381
03:00:40.920 --> 03:00:43.680
<v Speaker 14>just buying, We're actually going to make them here in

3382
03:00:43.799 --> 03:00:48.280
<v Speaker 14>Australia and that manufacturing begins this year. We have had

3383
03:00:48.399 --> 03:00:51.120
<v Speaker 14>serious discussions with the United States, going back to the

3384
03:00:51.159 --> 03:00:54.559
<v Speaker 14>Biden administration about critical minerals, about the role that it

3385
03:00:54.680 --> 03:01:00.360
<v Speaker 14>plays in industry, and we have engaged constructively and it

3386
03:01:00.440 --> 03:01:05.319
<v Speaker 14>doesn't assist to try to score a political point on

3387
03:01:05.520 --> 03:01:09.239
<v Speaker 14>what is something that we backed. We backed when the

3388
03:01:09.319 --> 03:01:12.159
<v Speaker 14>Morrison government came up with this proposal.

3389
03:01:12.200 --> 03:01:14.040
<v Speaker 15>I want to move on it and we put meat

3390
03:01:14.079 --> 03:01:14.680
<v Speaker 15>on the bones.

3391
03:01:14.799 --> 03:01:17.600
<v Speaker 11>Let me come back to your campaigning. Neither of you

3392
03:01:17.719 --> 03:01:20.920
<v Speaker 11>have visited an Indigenous community so far in this election campaign,

3393
03:01:21.440 --> 03:01:23.840
<v Speaker 11>mister Dutton, what are Indigenous Australians to make of that?

3394
03:01:24.639 --> 03:01:27.479
<v Speaker 12>Well, I can point to many trips that we've made

3395
03:01:27.520 --> 03:01:31.159
<v Speaker 12>to East arnham Land, to Alice Springs, to many communities

3396
03:01:31.200 --> 03:01:31.879
<v Speaker 12>across the country.

3397
03:01:32.000 --> 03:01:32.239
<v Speaker 11>David.

3398
03:01:32.280 --> 03:01:37.120
<v Speaker 12>The campaign isn't just made up of the last fifteen

3399
03:01:37.200 --> 03:01:40.040
<v Speaker 12>days or whatever it's been. It's made up of our

3400
03:01:40.159 --> 03:01:42.760
<v Speaker 12>term over the last three years. We went to Alice

3401
03:01:42.799 --> 03:01:45.239
<v Speaker 12>Springs and we spoke to a lot of people after

3402
03:01:45.319 --> 03:01:49.879
<v Speaker 12>the Voice, in particular where people were devastated because the

3403
03:01:49.959 --> 03:01:53.440
<v Speaker 12>practical assistance promised by the Prime Minister hasn't been delivered

3404
03:01:53.440 --> 03:01:56.319
<v Speaker 12>and the country was divided or the attempt was made

3405
03:01:56.319 --> 03:01:58.479
<v Speaker 12>to divide our country on the Voice. So I think

3406
03:01:58.520 --> 03:02:00.239
<v Speaker 12>the Prime Minister, I think the governments a lot of

3407
03:02:00.280 --> 03:02:03.600
<v Speaker 12>damage in relation to this area of public.

3408
03:02:03.440 --> 03:02:05.319
<v Speaker 11>Where it's leftist. I want to show you this. This

3409
03:02:05.479 --> 03:02:09.200
<v Speaker 11>is from the latest Closing the Gap data. The suicide

3410
03:02:09.319 --> 03:02:12.799
<v Speaker 11>rate amongst Indigenous Australians the line on top and non

3411
03:02:12.879 --> 03:02:15.799
<v Speaker 11>Indigenous Australians the line at the bottom. The gap is

3412
03:02:15.879 --> 03:02:19.760
<v Speaker 11>getting wider and this is kids in out of home

3413
03:02:19.840 --> 03:02:23.879
<v Speaker 11>care once again, Indigenous kids the top line, Non Indigenous

3414
03:02:23.959 --> 03:02:26.040
<v Speaker 11>kids the bottom line. That gap is just not budgeting.

3415
03:02:26.040 --> 03:02:29.840
<v Speaker 11>It's getting a little worse as well. Mister Albanezi. Neither

3416
03:02:29.920 --> 03:02:32.840
<v Speaker 11>side of politics has been able to close these gaps.

3417
03:02:33.000 --> 03:02:35.040
<v Speaker 11>What's your plan now to fix this?

3418
03:02:36.079 --> 03:02:40.559
<v Speaker 14>Neither side of politics has done well enough for First

3419
03:02:40.680 --> 03:02:44.559
<v Speaker 14>Nations people. That's just a fact and that's something that

3420
03:02:45.079 --> 03:02:49.680
<v Speaker 14>breaks my heart. But what we did post referendum was

3421
03:02:49.719 --> 03:02:52.879
<v Speaker 14>I went to Gama. I spoke about economic empowerment of

3422
03:02:53.000 --> 03:02:56.479
<v Speaker 14>Indigenous people. So we have a series of programs, firstly

3423
03:02:56.639 --> 03:03:00.399
<v Speaker 14>taking what was essentially a work for the doll scheme,

3424
03:03:01.079 --> 03:03:04.799
<v Speaker 14>creating real jobs with real training and real outcomes. There's

3425
03:03:04.840 --> 03:03:08.479
<v Speaker 14>something like forty thousand Indigenous people, for example, have benefited

3426
03:03:08.600 --> 03:03:12.639
<v Speaker 14>from free tape. We're putting additional funds into health, particularly

3427
03:03:12.719 --> 03:03:15.840
<v Speaker 14>areas like dialysis. We have a ten year program on

3428
03:03:16.000 --> 03:03:21.120
<v Speaker 14>remote housing. On education, we're pumping record funding into schools

3429
03:03:21.559 --> 03:03:25.639
<v Speaker 14>and that particularly will benefit areas like Cape York and

3430
03:03:26.000 --> 03:03:28.879
<v Speaker 14>the Northern Territory Indigenous schools as well.

3431
03:03:28.959 --> 03:03:31.399
<v Speaker 11>And in terms of the Ulary statement which called for

3432
03:03:31.479 --> 03:03:34.319
<v Speaker 11>a voice and treaty and truth telling, have you now

3433
03:03:34.440 --> 03:03:35.719
<v Speaker 11>moved on from that completely?

3434
03:03:35.799 --> 03:03:38.639
<v Speaker 14>Well, I went to Gama and I spoke about what

3435
03:03:38.799 --> 03:03:40.440
<v Speaker 14>our priorities were, and I spoke to you.

3436
03:03:42.120 --> 03:03:46.079
<v Speaker 15>On the day that I gave that speech. We accept

3437
03:03:46.840 --> 03:03:49.239
<v Speaker 15>the decision of the Australian people.

3438
03:03:49.239 --> 03:03:51.239
<v Speaker 9>In that referendum've now moved on from all of that?

3439
03:03:51.639 --> 03:03:55.280
<v Speaker 14>Well, we accept the decision that was made, David. We

3440
03:03:55.479 --> 03:03:59.600
<v Speaker 14>put forward a proposition that was asked for. We took

3441
03:03:59.719 --> 03:04:03.280
<v Speaker 14>up the gracious request of First nations people made at

3442
03:04:03.360 --> 03:04:06.159
<v Speaker 14>Uluru in two thy and seventeen and.

3443
03:04:06.200 --> 03:04:09.639
<v Speaker 11>Now mister dut you during that voice campaign, agreed that

3444
03:04:09.719 --> 03:04:13.159
<v Speaker 11>the current system isn't working for Indigenous Australians. If it's

3445
03:04:13.200 --> 03:04:14.520
<v Speaker 11>not working, how would you fix it?

3446
03:04:14.639 --> 03:04:16.399
<v Speaker 12>Well, I think it's heartbreaking to see those figures, and

3447
03:04:16.520 --> 03:04:19.040
<v Speaker 12>I share the sentiment of the Prime Minister that despite

3448
03:04:19.079 --> 03:04:21.000
<v Speaker 12>both sides of government over a long period of time

3449
03:04:21.040 --> 03:04:23.239
<v Speaker 12>we've both been in Parliament over twenty years, there've been

3450
03:04:24.040 --> 03:04:26.719
<v Speaker 12>in every discussion I've had and every Expenditure Review Committee

3451
03:04:26.760 --> 03:04:30.520
<v Speaker 12>and government in opposition a desire to invest as much

3452
03:04:30.600 --> 03:04:35.680
<v Speaker 12>money as is required to see those terrible outcomes improve,

3453
03:04:35.879 --> 03:04:39.440
<v Speaker 12>and it hasn't happened. And as just enter Prices pointed out,

3454
03:04:39.799 --> 03:04:41.360
<v Speaker 12>there is a lot of concern about the way in

3455
03:04:41.399 --> 03:04:44.559
<v Speaker 12>which programs are delivered within communities, and yet there are

3456
03:04:44.559 --> 03:04:48.479
<v Speaker 12>some amazing stories where you see ninety percent attendance rates

3457
03:04:48.520 --> 03:04:51.799
<v Speaker 12>at school, you see a functioning society where people are

3458
03:04:51.840 --> 03:04:55.440
<v Speaker 12>going to work, where housing is available, where there are

3459
03:04:55.559 --> 03:05:00.440
<v Speaker 12>much better health outcomes, and there is a leadership aspect

3460
03:05:00.639 --> 03:05:03.399
<v Speaker 12>within some of those communities which is exemplary to be

3461
03:05:03.520 --> 03:05:06.760
<v Speaker 12>hauled up as a great opportunity in other communities, So

3462
03:05:06.920 --> 03:05:10.200
<v Speaker 12>I think we need to accept that the Whilst those

3463
03:05:10.239 --> 03:05:12.840
<v Speaker 12>figures are devastating, as we point out, there are some

3464
03:05:13.040 --> 03:05:15.920
<v Speaker 12>examples where we have seen dramatic improvements.

3465
03:05:15.920 --> 03:05:18.040
<v Speaker 10>How can we replicate and scale that up?

3466
03:05:18.360 --> 03:05:21.760
<v Speaker 11>Look a final one before we hear your closing statements.

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03:05:22.360 --> 03:05:24.040
<v Speaker 11>We do hear a lot from both of you in

3468
03:05:24.120 --> 03:05:27.280
<v Speaker 11>this campaign about how dire things would be for Australia

3469
03:05:27.440 --> 03:05:31.120
<v Speaker 11>if the other bloke wins. And maybe that's just the

3470
03:05:31.239 --> 03:05:33.360
<v Speaker 11>nature of campaigning, but you two have known each other

3471
03:05:33.600 --> 03:05:36.079
<v Speaker 11>a very long time. I've witnessed you both over the

3472
03:05:36.120 --> 03:05:38.319
<v Speaker 11>dispatch box in Parliament. You're able to have a chat.

3473
03:05:38.399 --> 03:05:39.120
<v Speaker 11>You seem to get on.

3474
03:05:40.000 --> 03:05:40.799
<v Speaker 9>I just want to ask.

3475
03:05:40.959 --> 03:05:43.719
<v Speaker 10>I don't want you to have it stated the kiss

3476
03:05:43.719 --> 03:05:44.200
<v Speaker 10>of death for Bath.

3477
03:05:44.360 --> 03:05:45.879
<v Speaker 11>What I wanted to ask is it would really be

3478
03:05:45.959 --> 03:05:48.600
<v Speaker 11>a disaster for the country or is this just a

3479
03:05:48.680 --> 03:05:53.280
<v Speaker 11>bit of political hype if the other guy won. Mister Albinezi, I.

3480
03:05:53.319 --> 03:05:56.200
<v Speaker 15>Think there are very different values that we have.

3481
03:05:57.280 --> 03:06:00.360
<v Speaker 14>I can have a private discussion with Peter, can call

3482
03:06:00.440 --> 03:06:03.159
<v Speaker 14>him round to the office, and he does so regularly,

3483
03:06:03.959 --> 03:06:06.559
<v Speaker 14>and my office is open to every member of Parliament.

3484
03:06:07.520 --> 03:06:09.120
<v Speaker 15>But I don't take this personally.

3485
03:06:09.440 --> 03:06:12.200
<v Speaker 14>But I have a very different view of Australia, and

3486
03:06:12.319 --> 03:06:15.479
<v Speaker 14>I think that Peter has taken his party to a

3487
03:06:15.600 --> 03:06:19.440
<v Speaker 14>more conservative bent than it has ever been and I

3488
03:06:19.639 --> 03:06:23.399
<v Speaker 14>want very much to be able to continue the work

3489
03:06:23.520 --> 03:06:26.040
<v Speaker 14>that our government's been able to achieve.

3490
03:06:26.159 --> 03:06:28.760
<v Speaker 11>All Right, mister Dunn, Well David.

3491
03:06:29.120 --> 03:06:31.559
<v Speaker 12>On matters of national security or issues that are important

3492
03:06:31.719 --> 03:06:33.879
<v Speaker 12>for our country, the Prime Minister round I can have

3493
03:06:33.920 --> 03:06:36.520
<v Speaker 12>a conversation and have on a number of occasions to

3494
03:06:36.600 --> 03:06:41.319
<v Speaker 12>find a bipartisan position to advance that cause. But as

3495
03:06:41.520 --> 03:06:45.719
<v Speaker 12>Anthony points out, we've got different visions and different pathways

3496
03:06:45.760 --> 03:06:49.559
<v Speaker 12>and it really hurts me to see young Australians completely

3497
03:06:49.600 --> 03:06:52.680
<v Speaker 12>locked out out of the housing market. It hurts me

3498
03:06:52.799 --> 03:06:55.639
<v Speaker 12>to see young families putting off having kids under this government.

3499
03:06:55.719 --> 03:06:57.920
<v Speaker 12>And the reason the Prime Minister is running a scare

3500
03:06:57.959 --> 03:07:00.120
<v Speaker 12>campaign at the moment is that he doesn't want to

3501
03:07:00.200 --> 03:07:02.959
<v Speaker 12>talk about the reality of the last three years, which

3502
03:07:03.000 --> 03:07:05.399
<v Speaker 12>has been a failure for our country and the twenty

3503
03:07:05.479 --> 03:07:07.639
<v Speaker 12>nine to thirty thousand small businesses. Behind every one of

3504
03:07:07.719 --> 03:07:11.079
<v Speaker 12>those stories is somebody who's lost their home, somebody's lost their.

3505
03:07:11.000 --> 03:07:12.200
<v Speaker 10>Life savings or their job.

3506
03:07:12.680 --> 03:07:15.319
<v Speaker 12>And I have a vision where we can run our

3507
03:07:15.360 --> 03:07:18.280
<v Speaker 12>economy successfully, so we can help people up and provide

3508
03:07:18.319 --> 03:07:20.239
<v Speaker 12>support to them and to keep our country safe.

3509
03:07:20.440 --> 03:07:23.239
<v Speaker 11>All right, time for your closing statements, mister Dutton to

3510
03:07:23.280 --> 03:07:25.200
<v Speaker 11>you first, well, David, as.

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03:07:25.120 --> 03:07:27.280
<v Speaker 12>We go to the third of May, people need to

3512
03:07:27.319 --> 03:07:29.959
<v Speaker 12>reflect on what's happened in our country, in.

3513
03:07:30.040 --> 03:07:32.840
<v Speaker 10>Your lives over the course of the last three years.

3514
03:07:33.280 --> 03:07:35.600
<v Speaker 12>And as I said in my opening remarks, can you

3515
03:07:35.680 --> 03:07:37.600
<v Speaker 12>answer the question are you better off today than you

3516
03:07:37.680 --> 03:07:40.079
<v Speaker 12>were three years ago? And for the vast majority of

3517
03:07:40.120 --> 03:07:42.799
<v Speaker 12>Australians the answer is no. We have a positive plan

3518
03:07:42.920 --> 03:07:45.399
<v Speaker 12>for our country. We have a desire to manage our

3519
03:07:45.440 --> 03:07:47.959
<v Speaker 12>economy and if people vote for the Liberal and National

3520
03:07:48.000 --> 03:07:51.479
<v Speaker 12>Parties at the next election, will successfully manage the economy

3521
03:07:51.520 --> 03:07:54.159
<v Speaker 12>to clean up Labour's mess. We'll bring inflation down, which

3522
03:07:54.200 --> 03:07:57.440
<v Speaker 12>brings interest rates down, will restore the dream of home ownership.

3523
03:07:57.799 --> 03:08:00.319
<v Speaker 12>If Australians vote for their Liberal and National Party canredates

3524
03:08:00.319 --> 03:08:02.559
<v Speaker 12>at the next election. I'll get a twenty five cent

3525
03:08:02.639 --> 03:08:05.600
<v Speaker 12>reduction in the price of petrol and diesel and twelve

3526
03:08:05.719 --> 03:08:08.600
<v Speaker 12>hundred dollars back the tax that you've paid to help

3527
03:08:08.639 --> 03:08:11.319
<v Speaker 12>you cope with the pressures that you're under at the moment.

3528
03:08:11.600 --> 03:08:13.120
<v Speaker 12>I want to make sure that we can invest into

3529
03:08:13.159 --> 03:08:16.280
<v Speaker 12>defense and make sure that we can take crime seriously

3530
03:08:16.719 --> 03:08:19.559
<v Speaker 12>and reduce the problem of crime as it exists in

3531
03:08:19.639 --> 03:08:23.200
<v Speaker 12>our communities, in our suburbs across the country. My vision

3532
03:08:23.239 --> 03:08:25.680
<v Speaker 12>for our country is to make us a safer, more

3533
03:08:25.719 --> 03:08:28.520
<v Speaker 12>prosperous nation. And on the third of May, I ask

3534
03:08:28.639 --> 03:08:30.040
<v Speaker 12>for the support of the Australian people.

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03:08:30.200 --> 03:08:32.159
<v Speaker 11>Thank you mister mister Abenezy your closing stake.

3536
03:08:32.399 --> 03:08:35.399
<v Speaker 14>This election is a real choice, a choice between Labour's

3537
03:08:35.440 --> 03:08:40.159
<v Speaker 14>plans to build Australias future and the coalition's plans for cuts.

3538
03:08:40.760 --> 03:08:44.079
<v Speaker 14>When it comes to education, we have schools, funding childcare,

3539
03:08:44.520 --> 03:08:48.760
<v Speaker 14>making it more affordable. Our university is accord or a

3540
03:08:48.879 --> 03:08:52.239
<v Speaker 14>plan to get rid of free Tafe, to cut schools

3541
03:08:52.399 --> 03:08:55.120
<v Speaker 14>like happened last time with thirty billion dollars of cuts

3542
03:08:55.159 --> 03:08:59.079
<v Speaker 14>on Medicare will strengthen it. You know, people know that

3543
03:08:59.239 --> 03:09:01.879
<v Speaker 14>we believe in Medicare and they know that the last

3544
03:09:01.959 --> 03:09:04.399
<v Speaker 14>time they were in government and Peter was the Health

3545
03:09:04.479 --> 03:09:08.159
<v Speaker 14>minis so they tried to introduce an abolition of bulk billing.

3546
03:09:08.600 --> 03:09:10.319
<v Speaker 15>That is a choice that they have.

3547
03:09:10.879 --> 03:09:14.440
<v Speaker 14>On climate change, we've heard tonight no acceptance of the

3548
03:09:14.559 --> 03:09:17.200
<v Speaker 14>science of climate change. We accept it and we're acting

3549
03:09:17.280 --> 03:09:21.799
<v Speaker 14>on it with renewables backed by gas batteries and making

3550
03:09:21.920 --> 03:09:27.920
<v Speaker 14>sure that we deliver on climate change and on renewable energy.

3551
03:09:28.239 --> 03:09:31.000
<v Speaker 14>When it comes to a gender issues that we didn't

3552
03:09:31.040 --> 03:09:33.959
<v Speaker 14>confront today, we've had a women's health program, the most

3553
03:09:34.000 --> 03:09:35.639
<v Speaker 14>significant that we have had.

3554
03:09:36.239 --> 03:09:38.239
<v Speaker 15>We have had payper and or leave.

3555
03:09:38.760 --> 03:09:43.680
<v Speaker 14>We have had a gender program that puts women at

3556
03:09:43.719 --> 03:09:48.079
<v Speaker 14>the center about economic and social agenda, and the Coalition

3557
03:09:49.120 --> 03:09:52.559
<v Speaker 14>have not done anything on any of those issues. On

3558
03:09:52.719 --> 03:09:55.799
<v Speaker 14>our place in the world, we need to have a

3559
03:09:55.959 --> 03:10:01.040
<v Speaker 14>considered approach, a diplomatic approach, not the shoot from the

3560
03:10:01.120 --> 03:10:04.159
<v Speaker 14>hip approach that we've seen during this campaign.

3561
03:10:04.719 --> 03:10:07.479
<v Speaker 11>Thank you both very much for joining us this evening.

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<v Speaker 11>We do wish you well for the remainder of the campaign.

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