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Speaker 2: the debates of the Australian Debate and the English edition
Speaker 2: of the Leader's Debate. As you know, the Canadian politics
Speaker 2: are going onto the polls and dealing with the Canadian
Speaker 2: election happening this coming April, whereas Australian's federal election that
Speaker 2: will be happening in the first week of May. So
Speaker 2: let's get right straight to it. I thought Michael Cloggs
Speaker 2: would between the Canadian edition while I was going to
Speaker 2: be doing an Australian edition. Unfortunately, I'm going to be
Speaker 2: doing both, so there you go. Anyways, let's talk about
Speaker 2: the Canadian federal election. Obviously, I will attempt to agree
Speaker 2: that both politicians will be talking about Donald J. Trump
Speaker 2: and the issues on tariff's agreements between both Canada and
Speaker 2: Australia and the United States. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 2: So far, mainly it's about the issues of basically on
Speaker 2: the issues what Canadians want in their politicians. We know
Speaker 2: that the fact that Trudeau is no longer in power,
Speaker 2: and of course Carney is replacing Trudeau as the Liberal Party.
Speaker 2: And then you have the other people involvement that includes Peer,
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Speaker 2: Sis from the Black Bagua and JACKM. Singh as the
Speaker 2: NDP Party, whereas those are the four leaders. And then
Speaker 2: of course the Australian political parties are the Liberals and
Speaker 2: the Labor Parties. Now the Labor Party is Anthony Albinizi
Speaker 2: and Peter Detton from the Liberal Party. So that's that's
Speaker 2: later on, after we deal with the Canadian political debate. First,
Speaker 2: the Canadian debate lasts about two hours and seven minutes,
Speaker 2: whereas the Australian leaders debate lasted about an hour and
Speaker 2: thirty and it's both sides. Both both Canadian governments will
Speaker 2: will deal with issues on healthcare, spending, housing debates, not
Speaker 2: spending housing debates, but affordable housing, that sort of stuff
Speaker 2: from two sides, from both Canadian and Australian. Both of
Speaker 2: them will deal on the attackment on Terrace and the
Speaker 2: United States on their honor agreements between either from Canada
Speaker 2: or from Australia. But we're going to talk about Canada first,
Speaker 2: because of course the election coverage happens to me at
Speaker 2: the end of April, whereas the Australian government have their
Speaker 2: election at the first week of May. So here now
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Speaker 2: here and now are the Ford debates. And actually, I
Speaker 2: come to think of it, I know they had the
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Speaker 2: your thought thinking about this, it's like, what happened to
Speaker 2: the Green Party of Canada? Why aren't they involved? Why
Speaker 2: aren't they involved in this debate? That quite frankly, I
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Speaker 2: if about the other party's debate, not just the major
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Speaker 2: I just wish they did, especially with the Cannyan one
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Speaker 3: Live from the atrium of Maison Radio Canada in Montreal,
Speaker 3: four federal leaders will debate for your vote. The leaders
Speaker 3: are here and ready to go, Mark Carney, Pierre Paulieve,
Speaker 3: If Francois Blanche and jug Meat Singh. They will debate
Speaker 3: the major challenges facing our country, from tariffs, to the
Speaker 3: cost of living, public safety, energy and leading in a crisis.
Speaker 3: Good evening, everybody. I'm Steve Pagan, your moderator for tonight's debate.
Speaker 3: Each leader has agreed to the following no notes, answer
Speaker 3: the questions, stay on theme, stay on time. How much
Speaker 3: each leader speaks will be counted on these clocks visible
Speaker 3: to the leaders and to you at home. This is
Speaker 3: the twoth twenty five Federal Leaders debate. Well welcome, leader
Speaker 3: is good to be with you here tonight in Montreal.
Speaker 3: For what I'm sure will be a memorable evening. Our
Speaker 3: first theme is tariffs and threats to Canada, and we
Speaker 3: will begin with a round of questions. You will each
Speaker 3: have a minute to answer, and then we'll go to
Speaker 3: open debate. And the first question goes to mister Kearney. Okay,
Speaker 3: what is the starting point for negotiations, mister Kearney with
Speaker 3: the United States, if, as you have stated, our relationship
Speaker 3: with the US is over as we know it.
Speaker 4: Well, first, Steve may I thank you and also thank
Speaker 4: fellow leaders for their service to Canada people at home
Speaker 4: for taking the time to watch. I just want to
Speaker 4: underscore the premise here question because I think the relationship
Speaker 4: that we've had with the United States, relationship over the
Speaker 4: course of almost the last four decades, which has been
Speaker 4: one of steadying increasing integration, has fundamentally changed because the
Speaker 4: President is looking to fundamentally restructure trading system. So the
Speaker 4: starting point has to be one of strength. It has
Speaker 4: to show that we have control of our own economic destiny,
Speaker 4: has to have a clear plan here at home to
Speaker 4: build this economy, to diversify our trading partners with like
Speaker 4: minded countries, and also has to have a position of
Speaker 4: strength in terms of our reaction to the US unjustified tariffs,
Speaker 4: and that's why we have put in place counter tariffs
Speaker 4: that have maximum impact in the United States and minimum
Speaker 4: impact here at home.
Speaker 3: Mister Pauliev, would you do anything differently?
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, thank you Steve, and thank you
Speaker 5: to our fellow contestants here today. It's an honor to
Speaker 5: be here. What would I do different Well, I'll start
Speaker 5: by what I would do the same? I think we
Speaker 5: do need to counter the American tariffs with our own
Speaker 5: to deter this economic aggression. We must make clear that
Speaker 5: we will always be sovereign and independent. What would I
Speaker 5: be doing differently? We all we need to be in
Speaker 5: a position of strength. The liberal government has weakened our
Speaker 5: economy with anti energy laws, red tape, and high taxes
Speaker 5: that have driven five hundred billion dollars out of our
Speaker 5: country into the United States and made us incapable of
Speaker 5: shipping our resources overseas. That weakness threatens our ability to
Speaker 5: stand up for ourselves. So what would I do? I
Speaker 5: would cut taxes, red tape, and approve our resource projects
Speaker 5: so that we can get our goods to market and
Speaker 5: bring home the jobs. So we stand up to President
Speaker 5: Trump from a position of strength.
Speaker 3: Mister Singh, you get the next question. Can we trust
Speaker 3: the United States to work with us on matters such
Speaker 3: as Arctic sovereignty and defense policy?
Speaker 6: I think we've seen first of all, good evening, everyone,
Speaker 6: and thank you for tuning in.
Speaker 7: Thanks for the question, Steve.
Speaker 6: We've seen what for a lot of people feels like
Speaker 6: I've betrayal when we look at the United States.
Speaker 7: I grew up in a bordertown.
Speaker 6: I grew up in Windsor, and we saw how connected
Speaker 6: we were as a city and as a community. People
Speaker 6: lived on one side of the border, worked on the other.
Speaker 6: People traveled back and forth all the time. We're in
Speaker 6: the automotive capital of Canada, and we knew how important
Speaker 6: it was to be able to build cars in Canada,
Speaker 6: but we saw that those cars went back and forth
Speaker 6: across the border. Seeing what Donald Trump did to attack
Speaker 6: Canada in this unprovoked way without any justification, really felt
Speaker 6: like a betrayal. And so Canadians now are right to say, well,
Speaker 6: we don't really trust Donald Trump at this point, and
Speaker 6: we can't really have a lot of faith in him.
Speaker 6: So when it comes to our Arctic sovereignty and our security,
Speaker 6: we need to make decisions that are in our best
Speaker 6: interests and no longer be so dependent and so reliant
Speaker 6: on the US. And that's what I would advocate for,
Speaker 6: making sure we are resilient, independent, and less dependent on
Speaker 6: the United States.
Speaker 3: Mister Blanchet, for you, what supports would you want to
Speaker 3: see for industries affected by tariffs, many, of course of
Speaker 3: which are in.
Speaker 8: Quebec, many of them. First, we all will come in
Speaker 8: Quebec and Montreal. You have me because I try not
Speaker 8: to speak English in Montreal. However, I think you should
Speaker 8: never underestimate the threat that mister Trump poses on Quebec
Speaker 8: economy and Canada economy and Mexico economy. But we must
Speaker 8: acknowledge the fact that the economy of Quebec is built differently,
Speaker 8: the challenges are not the same. The necessity for Quebec
Speaker 8: to have at least partly its own voice in the
Speaker 8: negotiation is important. The difference between Quebec and Canada is
Speaker 8: very important in terms of economy, but also in terms
Speaker 8: of identity and language and values and who we are
Speaker 8: and we we want to handle immigration, so we have
Speaker 8: the right to be different. And if this difference is
Speaker 8: being respected by whoever becomes Prime Minister of Canada. We
Speaker 8: will be reliable partners in order to achieve the best
Speaker 8: possible negotiation and protect ourselves and our economies as partners.
Speaker 3: Vaccimos brochet. Okay, we now move into open debate, and
Speaker 3: I'll start off, mister Kearnie with you, and then we
Speaker 3: go from there. Do you still support dollar for dollar
Speaker 3: tariffs and if they ultimately threaten Canadian jobs and businesses?
Speaker 4: No, and in fact we've already moved off from dollar tariffs.
Speaker 4: You know, we have to recognize, and I think we
Speaker 4: all do, the United States economy is more than ten
Speaker 4: times the size of the Canadian economy. And the principle
Speaker 4: in terms of our counter tariffs is to have maximum
Speaker 4: impact in the United States, as I said a moment ago,
Speaker 4: minimum impact here. So we have to think about the
Speaker 4: impact on Canadian businesses. I'll give you one example, if
Speaker 4: I may, in the auto sector. The way we've designed
Speaker 4: those auto terraffs is that Canadian automakers, if they maintain
Speaker 4: production here, if they maintain their investments here. When I
Speaker 4: say Canadian automakers, I mean automakers that have jobs and
Speaker 4: plants and production in Canada, then they can have lower
Speaker 4: tariffs on what they ship to the United States. We
Speaker 4: create a huge incentive for them. In order to do that,
Speaker 4: we also have carved out the Canadian autoparts sector.
Speaker 8: Last point.
Speaker 4: I know you're pressed for time the Canadian autoparts sector
Speaker 4: so that it can remain competitive with the United States.
Speaker 4: We're focused on maximizing Canadian jobs, maximizing the harm in
Speaker 4: the US, so that we get them where we need.
Speaker 3: Mister Pullet, who went in then, mister Sick, mister Kearney.
Speaker 5: You claim that you want our country to respond with strength,
Speaker 5: but after the last decade, half of which time you've
Speaker 5: been justin Trudeau's economic advisor, our economy is weaker than
Speaker 5: ever before. It's been the worst growth in the G seven.
Speaker 5: We've lost a half trillion dollars of investment south of
Speaker 5: the border. You supported blocking pipelines in Canada that gave
Speaker 5: Donald Trump in the US a near monopoly over our energy,
Speaker 5: and now you want to keep in place Bill C
Speaker 5: sixty nine, the liberal no New Development law that blocks
Speaker 5: US from shipping our resources overseas. How could you possibly
Speaker 5: think it's a good idea to give the Americans a
Speaker 5: continued monopoly on our energy project when you have seen
Speaker 5: how much these liberal policies have weakened our country over
Speaker 5: the last decade.
Speaker 3: Let mister Conry respond and mister sure, yes, So let's
Speaker 3: go to my record.
Speaker 4: My record is a month long as Prime minister, and
Speaker 4: this goes to the heart of coming to the Americans
Speaker 4: with strength, but doing the right thing for Canada. Within
Speaker 4: the first week as Prime Minister, I sat down with
Speaker 4: all the premiers of the provinces and territories as well
Speaker 4: as the leaders of the indigenous peoples. Got an agreement
Speaker 4: with all the provinces and territories doesn't happen very often.
Speaker 4: Got an agreement for them to have one Canadian economy
Speaker 4: instead of thirteen first point. Secondly to commit the federal
Speaker 4: government to do its part by Canada day, so free
Speaker 4: trade in Canada by Canada day. Thirdly, the federal government
Speaker 4: to commit with respect to project for the question I'm
Speaker 4: getting to it the thirdly one Project one review and
Speaker 4: relying relying on provincial.
Speaker 9: Yes, it is possible. It is possible on our system.
Speaker 4: It is the impact of sixty It is agreed under
Speaker 4: the Impact Assessment Framework, and we have a cooperation agreement
Speaker 4: with British Columbia already. We're looking forward to them with
Speaker 4: the other problems is we will move forward.
Speaker 6: Of course, of course we agree around having a strategic
Speaker 6: response to the United States. But what I'm concerned about
Speaker 6: is what we're doing here in Canada. We are already
Speaker 6: seeing threats to our country in that just the threats
Speaker 6: alone of the tariffs have met Canadians have lost their jobs,
Speaker 6: the threats of the tariffs that are in pace right now,
Speaker 6: the threat the impact of those tariffs is that we've.
Speaker 7: Lost jobs and steel aluminum.
Speaker 6: In the auto sector for people are already losing their jobs.
Speaker 6: And while mister Carne, you had time, as you mentioned,
Speaker 6: not very long time, but as Prime minister, you showed
Speaker 6: us your priorities.
Speaker 7: The first thing you did is you had traveled.
Speaker 6: You made a tax cut for millionaires, which was reversing
Speaker 6: on the capital gains. So you give a tax cut
Speaker 6: to millionaires, but you didn't have time to increase the
Speaker 6: amount of workers get on EI. Right now, workers who
Speaker 6: are struggling and wondering what am I going to do
Speaker 6: my job? Workers who've lost their job are saying, how
Speaker 6: do I pay my bills when EI only covers half
Speaker 6: of a worker's salary. Maybe forty years ago that would
Speaker 6: have worked, or right now most workers are spending their
Speaker 6: entire salary just to pay the bills, to pay their
Speaker 6: mortgage and their rents, and to put food on the table.
Speaker 6: So EI is not good enough and it shows Canadians
Speaker 6: that you didn't make it a priority to protect those
Speaker 6: that are impacted by these tariffs, that are threat because
Speaker 6: their jobs are lost.
Speaker 3: We have not heard from Monsieur Blanchet yet in this segment,
Speaker 3: so please.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Monsieur Cannie, you are becoming a real Canadian leader
Speaker 8: saying one thing in French and an nuntherer one in English.
Speaker 8: You said in British Columbia in February that you would
Speaker 8: force oil and gas through pipelines through Quebec, either we
Speaker 8: wanted it or not. You would use emergency powers in
Speaker 8: order to do so, and two days later in Montreal
Speaker 8: you said that you would never do that without the
Speaker 8: approval of Quebec. What's the point of using emergency powers
Speaker 8: if you do have the agreement of Quebec. However, I
Speaker 8: do agree with you, it's important to be very strong
Speaker 8: in front of mister Trump. However, I would keep the
Speaker 8: dollar for dollar policy. Don't be weak in front of
Speaker 8: mister Trump, and those counter tariffs have have to be targeted.
Speaker 8: You have put out already two billions of dollars for
Speaker 8: Ontario auto industry, car industry, and the lumberwood industry in
Speaker 8: Quebec has already paid to United States two billions of dollars,
Speaker 8: and you have not raised one finger in order to
Speaker 8: alp us.
Speaker 3: Let's get from mister Poliev and then a response from
Speaker 3: mister Kearney.
Speaker 5: Well, mister Kearney refused to answer the question about pipelines.
Speaker 9: Just the other day.
Speaker 5: He said that he doesn't necessarily think we need to
Speaker 5: build pipelines. Let me tell you what that means. Right now,
Speaker 5: the Americans get ninety seven percent of our oil one
Speaker 5: hundred percent of our natural gas exports at big discounts.
Speaker 5: We have to send Canadian oil from Western Canada through
Speaker 5: the States just to get it back to Quebec because
Speaker 5: we don't have a pipeline.
Speaker 9: And now there's this law, liberal law C.
Speaker 5: Sixty nine, what effect which effectively bans pipelines. The fourteen
Speaker 5: biggest energy and resource companies say it has to go
Speaker 5: if we're ever going to build another project. And I
Speaker 5: asked mister Carney, why he would keep in place this
Speaker 5: anti pipeline law that effectively empowers Donald Trump to have
Speaker 5: a total monopoly on our single biggest export.
Speaker 9: Why would you not repeal this liberal law?
Speaker 5: Isn't it because you are exactly the same in the
Speaker 5: same line as Justin Trudeau and the rest of the
Speaker 5: liberal team that is now making up your cabinet.
Speaker 3: Let's get a response.
Speaker 4: Well, let's let me pick up a couple of points
Speaker 4: that have been made. The first thing I did as
Speaker 4: Prime Minister was to cut the carbon tex. That's the
Speaker 4: first thing. Second thing is made a commitment, made a
Speaker 4: commitment that all proceeds, all proceeds from our tariffs will
Speaker 4: go to workers, and those questions most effects. There were
Speaker 4: several points, if I may, mister Steve, if I may address,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to do it quickly because several points raise
Speaker 4: all proceeds go to workers and the firm's most effective,
Speaker 4: and those proceeds are considerable. Third thing, I'm interested in solutions.
Speaker 4: I'm interested in getting energy infrastructure built. That means pipelines,
Speaker 4: that means carbon capture storage, that means electricity grids.
Speaker 9: And here's how you do it.
Speaker 4: And we've already moved in the first in the first
Speaker 4: month cooperation agreements with the province is guess what we
Speaker 4: are a federation. You need to cooperate with Quebec. You
Speaker 4: need to cooperate with the provinces. You need to get
Speaker 4: First Nations and Indigenous people buy and you can do
Speaker 4: that through the one project, one review window that we
Speaker 4: put in place at that first Minister's meeting, as well as,
Speaker 4: if necessary, using emergency powers to fulfill the federal responsibility,
Speaker 4: but not the unique Pulley.
Speaker 3: Ever, you want to come back on that.
Speaker 5: What you're saying, mister Kearney, with respect is a total contradiction.
Speaker 5: The no New Development Law C sixty nine guarantees there
Speaker 5: will not be one stop shop because it requires the
Speaker 5: Government of Cana to actually duplicate.
Speaker 7: Regulation, have one.
Speaker 3: We just gott let's just let them finish the sentence.
Speaker 9: That is not true.
Speaker 5: In fact, mister sing The reality is we should have
Speaker 5: strong rules enforced once. We shouldn't have multiple levels of
Speaker 5: ealth that takes it takes now seventeen years to get
Speaker 5: a major project approved in this country. That is why
Speaker 5: in the last ten years we've had the worst economic
Speaker 5: growth in our in the entire pipeline and built not
Speaker 5: afford they're pretty liberal term. We need a change, and
Speaker 5: the Conservative plan for a change will include repealing the
Speaker 5: anti pipeline law so we can get our energy to
Speaker 5: markets other than the United Mister.
Speaker 6: While these two can be about who's more pro pipeline,
Speaker 6: I think what we need to do is I mean,
Speaker 6: it's clear the Liberals bought a pipeline, that built a pipeline.
Speaker 7: I don't know what Pierre is complaining about. That's what
Speaker 7: they did.
Speaker 6: I think what we need to do if we're talking
Speaker 6: about energy in our country, we need to build an
Speaker 6: East west grid. Let's use our power as a nation
Speaker 6: to build a national project that creates good jobs, that
Speaker 6: strengthens us for the future, where we connect the low
Speaker 6: cost energy from jurisdictions and provinces across this beautiful land
Speaker 6: and have low cost energy for businesses, for people, so
Speaker 6: we can build a stronger economy.
Speaker 7: That's the energy of the future that we need.
Speaker 4: Mister Carney, three quick points. First, the pipeline built, Yes,
Speaker 4: TMX built. That's why oil exports up fifty percent.
Speaker 9: Over the course last few years.
Speaker 4: Secondly, I don't think mister Singh is absolutely right about
Speaker 4: the East West grid grid interconnections, which is part of
Speaker 4: the energy corridor. Huge opportunities for this country. We have
Speaker 4: to be able to do more than one thing. Third point,
Speaker 4: fundamental point. We can give ourselves far more than Donald
Speaker 4: Trump can ever take away if we have one Canadian economy.
Speaker 9: Not thirteen.
Speaker 4: And if we just look at that agreement we got
Speaker 4: with the provinces. Look at what Ontario and Nova Scotia
Speaker 4: have just announced in terms of their steps towards this.
Speaker 9: This is within our graph.
Speaker 3: Mister Blanche, What should we be prepared to concede in
Speaker 3: our negotiations with the United States.
Speaker 8: I want to be back to something that mister Carnis said.
Speaker 8: You can't do something and deposit and you can't fill
Speaker 8: people's mind with nonsense. Quebec as by law its own
Speaker 8: environmental review institution, and you cannot through a federal decision,
Speaker 8: even through a Quebec government decision, over go over the
Speaker 8: BAP as we call it. If the BAP says no,
Speaker 8: she said, it's no. I know, I would I know,
Speaker 8: But this is the mind.
Speaker 9: This is the point.
Speaker 4: This is if I may, this is the point the
Speaker 4: federal government can do the following, which is to take
Speaker 4: the decision to abide by the decision of the Quebec
Speaker 4: BAP that is within the federal government's power. That is
Speaker 4: known as cooperative federalism.
Speaker 9: That's what we need to do. One other point, this
Speaker 9: is what we need if we I mean, this is
Speaker 9: what need to do in a crisis.
Speaker 3: We have more you see.
Speaker 8: And then mister Pelly, Yeah, the building of those pipelines
Speaker 8: will take at least at least ten to fourteen years.
Speaker 8: Mister Trump will be ninety years old, not president no more,
Speaker 8: and somebody of course less terrible will be there before
Speaker 8: you can even dream of having oil through this pipeline
Speaker 8: of yours.
Speaker 3: We're less than a minute ago, mister Pelly, I have
Speaker 3: I promised you next.
Speaker 5: So after the last ten years of liberals blocking pipelines
Speaker 5: and killing jobs, we actually actually need to get things done.
Speaker 5: We need to change, and our conservative plan for change
Speaker 5: will repeal the no New Pipeline's law. It will create
Speaker 5: a true one stop shop, set up shovel ready zones
Speaker 5: with pre permitting so that we can approve LNG liquefaction
Speaker 5: export plants, mines, pipelines, nuclear plans, and also hydro electric
Speaker 5: dam so that we can generate the power. We need
Speaker 5: to be strong, self reliant and stand on our own
Speaker 5: two feet.
Speaker 3: Last quick word to mister Carney.
Speaker 4: Okay, quick word bringing it back to what we're talking about,
Speaker 4: which is tear us the threats to Canada. How to negotiate.
Speaker 4: We need these options. We need these options to build domestically,
Speaker 4: to build one Canadian economy.
Speaker 9: We need to act. We need to diversify our trade partners.
Speaker 7: And that give us.
Speaker 3: That is our time. Okay, you know my job tonight.
Speaker 3: I got to be the heavy guy here every now
Speaker 3: and then making sure everybody comes to time. And I'm
Speaker 3: creeping an eye as well on making sure that everybody
Speaker 3: gets rough justice over here. That concludes our first section
Speaker 3: and our first debate. Up next, affordability and the cost
Speaker 3: of living.
Speaker 9: Our goal is to double the pace of housing construction.
Speaker 7: Will lower your bills and build homes you can actually afford.
Speaker 8: These needs.
Speaker 9: Ay, big powerful, bring it home. Tax cut on work, investment,
Speaker 9: energy and home building.
Speaker 3: Okay, leaders, same idea. One on one questions followed by
Speaker 3: open debate format and mister Pauliev, you get the first
Speaker 3: question this time. Many provinces, including some provinces with conservative governments,
Speaker 3: have ambitious housing targets, none of which have been met.
Speaker 3: Why do you think your housing plan will be any different.
Speaker 5: Let me start by talking to the young people of
Speaker 5: the nation and those who are aspiring to home ownership.
Speaker 5: And it was only ten years ago you could buy
Speaker 5: an average house for four hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: But in the last lost Liberal decade, housing costs have doubled,
Speaker 5: rising faster than in any country in the G seven
Speaker 5: and so now our youth cannot afford a home and
Speaker 5: our seniors are worried about being evicted. We can't afford
Speaker 5: a fourth Liberal term of rising housing costs. We need
Speaker 5: a change, and our conservative plan for change. We'll one
Speaker 5: acts the federal sale tax on new homes, two incentivize
Speaker 5: municipalities to cut their construction taxes to bring houses down
Speaker 5: in cost by one hundred thousand dollars. Three sell off
Speaker 5: federal land for homes, and four train up three hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty thousand young trades workers who can help build
Speaker 5: those homes. Because you deserve a home and we're going
Speaker 5: to make it happen.
Speaker 9: For a change.
Speaker 3: Also on the issue of affordability, mister Singh, you get
Speaker 3: the next question how do you bring down grocery prices
Speaker 3: in the midst of a trade war.
Speaker 7: I appreciate the I appreciate the question. This is a
Speaker 7: big concern.
Speaker 6: When I talk to Canadians, they tell me they're really
Speaker 6: feeling squeezed from the cost of living. That's one of
Speaker 6: the top things that people tell me about. People are saying,
Speaker 6: I can't afford to buy groceries. Every time I go
Speaker 6: to the grocery store. It's just ongoing worry and this
Speaker 6: feeling of anxiety that can I actually afford the things
Speaker 6: that my family needs. On top of that, people are
Speaker 6: worried about the cost of homes. I think those are
Speaker 6: the two biggest things I hear. So we can do
Speaker 6: things about this other countries. I'm taking concrete steps. We
Speaker 6: can put in a price cap on food essentials.
Speaker 7: France has done it. Greece has done it to great success.
Speaker 6: It's brought down the cost of food significantly in both
Speaker 6: those jurisdictions. We can also ban corporate landlords from buying
Speaker 6: up the affordable homes to keep homes that are affordable affordable.
Speaker 6: We can make things better for Canadians, but it requires
Speaker 6: having the courage to take on the powerful corporations that
Speaker 6: are ripping you off, that are price gouging you. And
Speaker 6: we know that price gouging is one of the major
Speaker 6: reasons why food prices are going up. You're never going
Speaker 6: to hear Pierre Pauliev or mister Carney talk about the
Speaker 6: fact that these are the corporationists you're.
Speaker 3: Seeing that time. Mister Bilche, I want to ask you
Speaker 3: about old age security, which will soon cost this country
Speaker 3: one hundred billion dollars annually. We understand you would like
Speaker 3: to expand it. How would you pay for that?
Speaker 8: We would want it to be just for everybody because
Speaker 8: the liberals I've created the discrimination against elders which are
Speaker 8: sixty five to seventy five years old, I having ten
Speaker 8: percent less income from federal government than those who are
Speaker 8: over seventy five. But the best way to do it
Speaker 8: is to have everybody pay its fair share in terms
Speaker 8: of tax, which means that one should not be entitled
Speaker 8: to eye money in fiscal paradise in order not to
Speaker 8: pay him or his clients or friends not to pay
Speaker 8: billions of dollars in taxes that could be used to
Speaker 8: help the situation of elders. Those are things which are
Speaker 8: supposed to be applied to I'm sorry, applied to everybody.
Speaker 8: There are a lot of questions to be answered about that.
Speaker 8: Other ways to do it is to reduce the pressure
Speaker 8: on housing price, to make sure that the whole budget
Speaker 8: of elders and families and workers can afford houses which
Speaker 8: have increased dramatically in.
Speaker 3: Crimes blanchees and that's time for this one, Miss Carney,
Speaker 3: want to ask you about housing, which over the past
Speaker 3: decade has gone from a problem to a crisis while
Speaker 3: the Liberals Will were in power. Is your policy on
Speaker 3: getting homes built any different from your predecessors and.
Speaker 4: How This is one of the reasons why I enter
Speaker 4: this contest because of the housing crisis, the cost of
Speaker 4: living crisis, the housing crisis, and the Trump crisis.
Speaker 9: To help fix it.
Speaker 4: And I would say, look, the housing approach is fundamentally
Speaker 4: different because we need a fundamentally different approach. We need
Speaker 4: to build housing at a rate that we haven't seen
Speaker 4: since the end of the Second World War.
Speaker 9: We do need a fundamentally different approach.
Speaker 4: And with the fundamentally different approach, we can build an
Speaker 4: entirely new industry. So the question is how now, mister
Speaker 4: Paulyev and I agree on some things. I agree as
Speaker 4: well on reducing the tax on first time home purchases
Speaker 4: as a way to buy. But I am focused on
Speaker 4: increasing the supply of homes and doing that in a
Speaker 4: way that uses Canadian technology and modular prefabricated housing, that
Speaker 4: uses Canadian lumber, including in reinforced timber, and uses Canadian workers,
Speaker 4: and in all respects we're scaling up to double the
Speaker 4: rate of home building.
Speaker 3: Mister Kearney, that's time we now moved to open forum
Speaker 3: here and mister Sing, you got the first comment. Many
Speaker 3: of you have pledged to cut the GST on many
Speaker 3: aspects of buying a home, and mister Sing, I want
Speaker 3: to ask you, would you cut the GST on anything
Speaker 3: else in order to make life more affordable?
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: In fact, I'm the only one on this stage that
Speaker 6: fought to give people a GSC holiday. Interestingly, while that
Speaker 6: GSC holiy helps working class folks middle class folks by
Speaker 6: taking off the GSD off essentials, the.
Speaker 7: Conservatives under Pierre Polier have voted against that.
Speaker 6: They oppose the idea of giving people actual folks that
Speaker 6: need help a tax break and would rather give millionaires
Speaker 6: a tax break, which shows you whose side he is on,
Speaker 6: which is not surprising. But what is surprising that mister
Speaker 6: Carney also said that giving people a break on their
Speaker 6: GST is a bad idea. Mister Charney, why do you
Speaker 6: think giving a tax break to capital gains folks that
Speaker 6: earn more than a million dollars is a good idea?
Speaker 6: But helping a family afford their groceries, helping people afford
Speaker 6: their bills for their internet, their cell phone, their home heating,
Speaker 6: giving them relief to take the GSD off those.
Speaker 7: Is a bad idea.
Speaker 6: But giving a tax break to people who really only
Speaker 6: earn over more than one point four million dollars, that's
Speaker 6: somehow a good idea.
Speaker 7: Okay, you went after, that's your numbers.
Speaker 3: You went after miss Polly of first. So I'm going
Speaker 3: to give him the first shot to respond, if you.
Speaker 9: Will, mister Carney.
Speaker 5: The reality is that housing costs doubled under the Liberal government,
Speaker 5: while Justin Trudeau made exactly the same promises that you
Speaker 5: are now repeating today. He promised that he would double
Speaker 5: home building, In fact, home building went down. He promised
Speaker 5: that he reduced the cost in fact it went up.
Speaker 5: And how we here we are? Mark Kearney is asking
Speaker 5: for a fourth Liberal term, repeating the exact same Liberal
Speaker 5: promises that priced you out of a house. Just a
Speaker 5: few weeks ago before the election, the Liberals voted against
Speaker 5: taking the GST off new homes, and they have continued
Speaker 5: to build up bureaucracies that block construction. We need a
Speaker 5: change so that you can afford a home, and our
Speaker 5: change will be again to ax the sales tax on
Speaker 5: new homes, incentivize municipalities to speed up permits, free up
Speaker 5: plan and cut development costs. Train up three hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty thousand young people who can be in the trades
Speaker 5: to build those homes, and sell off the land that
Speaker 5: is going to be needed in order to build homes.
Speaker 5: That is a real plan, a real plan for you
Speaker 5: to own a home and afford your life.
Speaker 3: For a change, mister Kurney, they're coming at you from
Speaker 3: both sides.
Speaker 9: Is okay. I know it's maybe difficult. Mister Polyev.
Speaker 4: You spent years running against Justin Trudeau and the carbon tax,
Speaker 4: and neither they're both gone. Okay, they're both gone, and
Speaker 4: we're we're in a new person and we're within a
Speaker 4: very different look. I'm a very different person from Justin Trudeau.
Speaker 4: Focus is on you, and so how to drive results
Speaker 4: in the housing market. You've got to change the model
Speaker 4: of building. You've got to increase the financing for housing developers.
Speaker 4: Twenty five billion dollars on the table for those housing developers,
Speaker 4: ten billion for deeply affordable homes, cutting development charges in half,
Speaker 4: lowering the cost of the building of those homes by
Speaker 4: twenty percent, and lowering the emissions and the run costs
Speaker 4: of those homes by another twenty percent. This is how
Speaker 4: you drive for the building. This is how you bring
Speaker 4: young people back into the House of exact.
Speaker 8: You claim to be very different from mister Trudeau. Now
Speaker 8: the point is to show that you are any better
Speaker 8: than mister Trudeau. You claim to have a lot of
Speaker 8: experience in many things, and you know things. Last time
Speaker 8: we had somebody saying that they knew things, it was
Speaker 8: a senators and they killed a law that protected supply
Speaker 8: and management because they knew better than us and were
Speaker 8: elected by nobody, exactly like you are today. You say
Speaker 8: that you are a great crisis manager, which one I
Speaker 8: heard of. Nothing as far as I know, Bricksit happened
Speaker 8: even if you were against it. You say you are
Speaker 8: a great negotiator. What have you negotiated but fiscal paralysis
Speaker 8: and Bermundaz or Kaiman Islands. You have to prove something
Speaker 8: and you have to reveal what you own in those
Speaker 8: companies if you want people to believe you, mister sing.
Speaker 6: Yes, returning to the topic of housing, now this is
Speaker 6: very important. Obviously, we need to build homes that people
Speaker 6: can afford. Mister Paul have had the opportunity to show
Speaker 6: us what he could do. He was the Minister of
Speaker 6: Housing under Stephen Harper and during that time, guess how
Speaker 6: many homes he built. He built six homes during that
Speaker 6: entire time. This is not something you can trust to
Speaker 6: build homes. He built homes. This has been confirmed again
Speaker 6: and again. He were six homes.
Speaker 7: That's it. Now.
Speaker 6: The problem though with mister Karney as well, He's laid
Speaker 6: out a plan. The problem is is that when he
Speaker 6: was the share of Brookfell Investments, this is a company
Speaker 6: that made a strategic decision to buy up affordable homes
Speaker 6: and cities like Toronto where people were paying a decent rent,
Speaker 6: and they purposely bought those homes, kicked out the tenants
Speaker 6: and jacked up the rents.
Speaker 7: That is not someone you can trust, sadly to deal
Speaker 7: with the.
Speaker 6: Housing crisis when mister Karney, you're profited off of it.
Speaker 3: We're going to get responses here, mister Paulia, first, mister Carney.
Speaker 8: Second.
Speaker 5: First of all, mister saying all the Toronto Star, the
Speaker 5: Toronto Star debunked your fall six homes. And I appreciate
Speaker 5: neither Liberals or MNDP are very good with math. But
Speaker 5: in that year, the year I was, which is great,
Speaker 5: the year of the year, the year I was saying,
Speaker 5: in the year I though, the year I was minister,
Speaker 5: we had two hundred thousand homes built. And guess what
Speaker 5: the average price of a home was at the time,
Speaker 5: four hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 7: Guess what happened.
Speaker 5: One one bedrooms randed out for nine hundred dollars, and
Speaker 5: that since that time, housing costs have actually doubled under
Speaker 5: the Liberals double we have. Now we have mister Carney
Speaker 5: making tens of billions of dollars of spending promises that
Speaker 5: will ultimately as well continue to build bureaucracy. We don't
Speaker 5: need more bureaucracy in Ottawa. We tried that for ten
Speaker 5: Liberal years. Mister Carney.
Speaker 9: What we need is to build homes. In communities.
Speaker 5: So that means acting taxes on home building and getting
Speaker 5: the government out of the way so that builders can
Speaker 5: actually build. Can I pick you are on housing we
Speaker 5: need to change and user are not a change market party.
Speaker 4: I'm going to pick up on I thought that answer
Speaker 4: was quite revealing. The first thing is that it's an
Speaker 4: attitude towards housing that absolutely ignores affordable housing, deeply affordable
Speaker 4: housing issues with vulnerable people, ignores the rental market, ignores
Speaker 4: all other aspects of it. So the six are the relevant.
Speaker 4: Mister Singh is absolutely right. The six are the relevant.
Speaker 9: Two hundred thousand.
Speaker 4: The two hundred thousand are a different part of the
Speaker 4: housing market. There are many Canadians. There are many Canadians
Speaker 4: of different income levels. The second thing it reveals is
Speaker 4: a misunderstanding, or well a misunderstanding, i'll be polite, of
Speaker 4: how the government's balance sheet can catalyze enormous private investment.
Speaker 4: And that is what we need to do to solve
Speaker 4: the housing crisis. It happens to be what we need
Speaker 4: to do as a whole to address the economic crisis
Speaker 4: that's been forced on us by President Trump.
Speaker 8: Miche Blanchet, Yeah, you have spoken much more than I have,
Speaker 8: so I won't ask a question. I will make a
Speaker 8: statement instead. I'm not saying no, I'm not saying that
Speaker 8: you cannot do what you pretend that you are able
Speaker 8: to do. We just have no proof so far. I'm
Speaker 8: saying quite clearly that you cannot be entitled to do
Speaker 8: it alone. You cannot be entitled to hold all the
Speaker 8: power in your two hands. You cannot go out there
Speaker 8: and fix things for Canada and Quebec without being seriously
Speaker 8: checked by serious people. You cannot go out there out
Speaker 8: there and speak for Quebec without Quebec having its own
Speaker 8: strong voice to protect itself and to promote its different economy.
Speaker 8: So if you want to collaborate, let's see right now
Speaker 8: that whatever happens, even if minority government government happens, you
Speaker 8: will be a partner with the different Quebec economy and identity,
Speaker 8: which you have been not interested in for the economic
Speaker 8: part and not respectful for the identity.
Speaker 3: Let me get mister, at this point, can you tell
Speaker 3: us what's the first thing you would do to make
Speaker 3: life more affordable for Canadians.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of things that we can do, and
Speaker 6: I've laid out some of those things I think fundamentally,
Speaker 6: I'm the only person on stage that not only fought
Speaker 6: for real relief for people in terms of affordability, I'm
Speaker 6: the only one that fought for pharmacare that actually makes
Speaker 6: life more affordable at giving people medication coverage, dental care
Speaker 6: that gives people more affordability by letting them access their
Speaker 6: services if you're a senior and a kid. I fought
Speaker 6: for childcare to make sure people can afford childcare, all
Speaker 6: measures that mister Paulia voted against, all measures that mister
Speaker 6: Blanchet voted again. So if you want someone that's going
Speaker 6: to fight for you in Ottawa to actually make life
Speaker 6: more affordable, you can't entrust all the power to mister
Speaker 6: Carney doesn't have.
Speaker 7: A track record of making life more affordable for people.
Speaker 7: But we do.
Speaker 6: So vote for a new Democrat and will continue this
Speaker 6: work to make life more affordable for you. While the
Speaker 6: Conservatives and the block have voted against those measures to
Speaker 6: make life affordable because that's not who they care about.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 7: Democrats are in it for you, pure pellef.
Speaker 5: The number one expense for families today is taxes, more
Speaker 5: than they spend on food, clothing, and shelter. Combined this
Speaker 5: after ten years of liberal tax increases, we can't afford
Speaker 5: a fourth term of high liberal taxes. That's why conservatives
Speaker 5: have a plan for change, and that plant against.
Speaker 7: A measure to help people.
Speaker 5: Could cutting income taxes by fifteen percent for the average
Speaker 5: worker and senior, saving a working couple up to two
Speaker 5: thousand dollars, rewarding hard work again, because hard work out
Speaker 5: is actually being punished. US is actually being punished because
Speaker 5: of the very high taxes. Now the Liberals promised ten
Speaker 5: years ago they would lower them, they actually raise taxes
Speaker 5: on nine out of ten Canadians. We need a change
Speaker 5: in this country because your hard work should once again
Speaker 5: pay off with a powerful paycheck that buys you an
Speaker 5: affordable food, affordable home.
Speaker 6: You want to see it would say three dollars, and
Speaker 6: that's what we youre want to say people two thousand dollars,
Speaker 6: but cut their dental care which is thousands of dollars,
Speaker 6: cut their childcare which is thousands dollars, cut farmercare coverage
Speaker 6: was just.
Speaker 7: Thousands of dollars. That's not a very good math deal
Speaker 7: right there.
Speaker 6: You're gonna cut You're gonna say people two thousand, but
Speaker 6: cost them tens of thousands of dollars. That's why you
Speaker 6: cannot afford conservatives, and you certainly can't. You need new Democrats,
Speaker 6: Mark Arney.
Speaker 4: I'm going to reinforce that point and then I'll respond
Speaker 4: to mister Blanche. Childcare in this country three thousand to
Speaker 4: ten thousand dollars a year for a family, depending on
Speaker 4: where you live, province, depending on where you live. That's
Speaker 4: that's what's been saved there. Eight hundred dollars per trip
Speaker 4: to the dentist.
Speaker 9: We've expanded dentalents, million million Democrats, farmercare.
Speaker 4: These are fundamental issues for affordability. We're talking about affordability
Speaker 4: and taking them off in order that tax.
Speaker 5: Quebec what I've said, and in terms of income working
Speaker 5: with Quebec for Canadian yes, absolutely.
Speaker 4: Throughout the short time I've been Prime Minister, working directly
Speaker 4: with the Premier of Quebec, our Minister of Foreign Affairs,
Speaker 4: our Minister of Finance are from Quebec.
Speaker 9: Quebec and Quebec issues. Whether it's to.
Speaker 8: Answers, it goes a letter. He asked five things in
Speaker 8: the letter. He read us his expectations we're talking about,
Speaker 8: and you did not even and swer him. And tonight
Speaker 8: you are so much in love with Quebec.
Speaker 9: Steve. The question that Canadians have to ask.
Speaker 3: Why he's got mister saying sorry, he is the floor.
Speaker 5: The question you have to ask is, after a decade
Speaker 5: of liberal promises, can you afford food? Is your housing
Speaker 5: more affordable than it used to be? What is your
Speaker 5: cost of living like comppared to what it was a
Speaker 5: decade ago? And are you prepared to elect the same
Speaker 5: liberal MPs, the same liberal ministers, the same liberal staffers
Speaker 5: all over again for a fourth through mister Arnie Justin
Speaker 5: Trudeau's staffers are actually here with you at this debate
Speaker 5: in Montreal writing the talking points that you are regurgitating
Speaker 5: into the microphone. How can we possibly believe that you
Speaker 5: are any different than the previous ten years of liberal Gudenty.
Speaker 3: Five seconds left in this segment for you to respond
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 9: Look, I do my own talking points, Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: The biggest risk we have to affordability, the biggest risk
Speaker 4: we have to this economy is Donald Trump. So first
Speaker 4: and foremost, we've got to get that right. Secondly, we
Speaker 4: need to do it in a way that brings everyone
Speaker 4: along together. That means preserving pharmacare, dental care, childcare, reinforcing healthcare, spending, our.
Speaker 8: Intrusion, intrusion, intrusion, intrusion, and Quebec jurisdiction over and again.
Speaker 8: I like, any better than we are? Is there one
Speaker 8: thing Canadians can do that Quebecers cannot do. You are
Speaker 8: doing intrusions in our jurisdiction with our money, pretending you
Speaker 8: are better, and most of the time you try to
Speaker 8: copy what we did with our own money against us.
Speaker 8: What's that as a policy? Don't you have your own things?
Speaker 3: Gentle about that? That really is time for this segment.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be polite and let everybody finish their.
Speaker 8: Point, but far we got to move by the liberty.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Okay, that ends Section two. Up next, public
Speaker 3: safety and security.
Speaker 4: Fight crime to protect Canadians and to build communities that
Speaker 4: are safe, secure and strong.
Speaker 5: Keep crime, drugs, stolen cars, and other illegal substances out
Speaker 5: of our country.
Speaker 6: We're going to invest in our borders and that means
Speaker 6: hiring more border officers.
Speaker 9: Resources are in short supply, not enough staff.
Speaker 8: This is not the nice way to treat people who
Speaker 8: come to our border.
Speaker 3: Okay, same format, one on one questions and then open debate,
Speaker 3: missieur blanche, you get to go first in this one
Speaker 3: public safe and security for a lot of people. That
Speaker 3: means the fentanyl crisis. I'd like to know what you
Speaker 3: could contribute to ending that crisis in this country.
Speaker 8: The fentannel crisis is a very serious issue, which is
Speaker 8: a bit less important than Quebec than it is in
Speaker 8: British Columbia. I think the old border thing is the
Speaker 8: real issue. Immigration is a very important issue for Quebecer's.
Speaker 8: Immigration has to be dealt with in an orderly fashion.
Speaker 8: Our borders are not dealt with in an orderly fashion.
Speaker 8: The rules are not respected, the rules are unclear. Some
Speaker 8: rules even invite people to eye for two weeks illegally
Speaker 8: before coming out. Some things has to be done. The
Speaker 8: situation of one person asking for asylum may take as
Speaker 8: much as four years without us reducing the number in
Speaker 8: order to deal with them and then a human way.
Speaker 8: The services for every citizen in Quebec are being reduced
Speaker 8: because we cannot afford the fact that we receiving much
Speaker 8: much more people in Quebec from this specific type of
Speaker 8: immigration than we can't afford, and we cannot teach them
Speaker 8: French that's time.
Speaker 3: Mischion Blanche. We can of course return to the immigration
Speaker 3: issue during open debate few years too. Mister Carnie, question
Speaker 3: for you. The liberal gun buyback policy, not considered a
Speaker 3: success by many people. Reviving it is in your platform.
Speaker 3: Why would it work this time?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think well, what we've seen with that policy is
Speaker 4: some success at the commercial level, but not at the
Speaker 4: individual level because it hasn't been my opinion, it hasn't
Speaker 4: been organized properly, and it needs to be organized properly
Speaker 4: and instructed the Minister of National Security and Public Safety
Speaker 4: in order to do that.
Speaker 9: So part of this is a different focus of.
Speaker 4: Government, a focus on results, a focus on clear milestones
Speaker 4: in the short term. Let me make a broader point
Speaker 4: though and gun, which is that we have a problem
Speaker 4: with guns coming over, which is why we've tightened our borders.
Speaker 4: We have an issue though with a gun industry that
Speaker 4: is continually coming up with new forms of assault rifles,
Speaker 4: mass killing machines. We banned over two thousand of these.
Speaker 4: Every single time there has been a vote in the
Speaker 4: House of Commons on gun control, mister Polyev has voted
Speaker 4: against it. You can't be tough on crime unless you're
Speaker 4: tough on guns, pauliev.
Speaker 3: You can come back on that in the open debate
Speaker 3: if you want to. But my question for you in
Speaker 3: this segment is Indigenous people are statistically overrepresented in our
Speaker 3: correction system. Are you concerned that your tough on crime
Speaker 3: platform will make that worse.
Speaker 5: I'm concerned that Indigenous people are disproportionately the victims of crime.
Speaker 5: I give you the example of a wonderful group of
Speaker 5: Indigenous people who came under attack in Saskatchewan, and many
Speaker 5: of them were murdered. Killer was out of jail after
Speaker 5: sixty prior convictions. This is the result of ten years
Speaker 5: of liberal laws that allow the same offenders to be
Speaker 5: released dozens and dozens of times, even when it's known
Speaker 5: they are danger We can't risk a fourth liberal term
Speaker 5: of soft on crime policies. We need to change, and
Speaker 5: the Conservative plan for change will bring in a three
Speaker 5: strikes your outlaw. Three convictions for serious crimes, you go
Speaker 5: to jail for at least ten years, maybe for life,
Speaker 5: no chance of parole or bail. We will bring in
Speaker 5: life sentences for traffickers of fentanyl, human beings, and guns,
Speaker 5: and we will secure our borders to keep the legal
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Mister Peliev. That's time. Mister sing your question is about
Speaker 3: the RCMP, because you've got OURCMP reform in your platform.
Speaker 3: What in your view is the problem with the RCMP.
Speaker 6: Well, some of the basis for this is the concern
Speaker 6: that's been raised in more rural communities, in northern communities
Speaker 6: that there have been some serious concerns about violence or
Speaker 6: inappropriate use of force when it comes to the execution
Speaker 6: of their duties. We want to make sure that we've
Speaker 6: got a top tier police force that provides security and
Speaker 6: safety too with those communities in a way that's sensitive
Speaker 6: and understanding of the communities that are serving. I also
Speaker 6: think what's very important is for Indigenous communities, indigenous policing,
Speaker 6: this is an area of deep concern. I think everyone
Speaker 6: in our country should be safe. You should be able
Speaker 6: to be safe at home, safe when you go to work,
Speaker 6: safe if you take public transit, safe for your kids
Speaker 6: to be able to play in the local playground.
Speaker 7: And that's something I'm committed to.
Speaker 6: And the other area that I'm focused on when it
Speaker 6: comes to public safety is making sure we prevent crime
Speaker 6: before it happens. And that's why we want to see
Speaker 6: increased investments in our border security. We saw under the
Speaker 6: Conservatives they cut eleven hundred border officers in one day,
Speaker 6: so that prevented our ability to keep our border safe.
Speaker 7: That stops those.
Speaker 3: Materials come in that time. Munch Or was wealthy RCMP.
Speaker 3: But maybe we can get back to that during the
Speaker 3: open debate segment which we go to right now, when
Speaker 3: mister Polly, have you get the first word on this one,
Speaker 3: and it's sort of dovetails on the last answer you gave,
Speaker 3: which is you have pledged to be the first prime
Speaker 3: minister in this country to use the notwithstanding clause setting
Speaker 3: aside Charter rights of as you call them, multiple murderers.
Speaker 3: Why do you think that's necessary?
Speaker 5: To be clear, I want to uphold the Charter rights
Speaker 5: of Canadians under Section seven to life, Liberty and Security
Speaker 5: of the person. Right now that right is violated by
Speaker 5: multiple murderers who are given discounts. The case in question
Speaker 5: was a gentleman who went into a mosque and shot
Speaker 5: dead six innocent worshipers. He got, according to this ruling,
Speaker 5: only one twenty five year sentence, meaning he can be
Speaker 5: out in his fifties. He only serves four years for
Speaker 5: every murder that he carried out that is outrageous, and
Speaker 5: I will use the constitutional powers that are created for
Speaker 5: this purpose to ensure that mass murderers stay in maximum
Speaker 5: security penitentiary for life.
Speaker 9: They will only come out in a box.
Speaker 5: We will also pass tough new laws that prevent repeat
Speaker 5: offenders from getting out. If you commit three offenses under
Speaker 5: the three strikes law, I propose you will not be
Speaker 5: allowed out of jail until you prove that you are
Speaker 5: drug free, that you are behaved perfectly, and that you've
Speaker 5: learned an employable skill and you've served a ten year sentence.
Speaker 5: We cannot allow liberal crime and chaos to go on
Speaker 5: terrorizing our communities. What we need is a real plan
Speaker 5: for change so that we can bring back the safety
Speaker 5: and the security of the Canadians used to take for granted.
Speaker 3: Let me get mister Carney to respond to you that
Speaker 3: you think that's an appropriate use of the Notwithstanding clause.
Speaker 9: Of the Charter.
Speaker 4: I think that the one of the core responsibilities of
Speaker 4: the federal government Prime Minister is to defend the fundamental
Speaker 4: rights and liberties of Canadians, and those fundamental rights and
Speaker 4: liberties of Canadians are outlined in our Charter. Rights and Freedoms,
Speaker 4: which is forty three years old. Literally today, I think
Speaker 4: it's a very dangerous slope to override judgments of the
Speaker 4: Supreme Court of Canada. In fact, the Charter of Rights
Speaker 4: and Freedoms exists to protect Canadians from.
Speaker 9: People like us on the stage.
Speaker 4: Politicians who may use their power to override fundamental rights
Speaker 4: in the issue in using by the federal government.
Speaker 9: I'll stop here is not where you start.
Speaker 3: Where will you stop, mister Poll, I should get mister
Speaker 3: pollyev on that is it a slipper?
Speaker 8: I must say I would be quite interested too, because
Speaker 8: mister Carney said that he didn't want us to use
Speaker 8: the notwithstanding cause claus before adopting a law, and yesterday
Speaker 8: he said that he felt that it was wrong to
Speaker 8: use the notwithstanding clause after a law is adopted. So
Speaker 8: if we cannot use it before and we cannot use
Speaker 8: it after, it means that mister Commy believes that we
Speaker 8: should never use it. But it is very important and
Speaker 8: the Ford case made it clear. The Constitution says how
Speaker 8: it should be used, but never how or what we
Speaker 8: will do with it, because it's the prerogative of the provinces.
Speaker 8: So do you want the Supreme Court to overrule another
Speaker 8: judgment of the same Supreme Court because you don't like it,
Speaker 8: because that would be being the hell of a politician
Speaker 8: as you define them.
Speaker 6: Well, let me just start by saying, first of all, yeah,
Speaker 6: thank you. I just started by saying, let's not let
Speaker 6: mister Paulyev get away with making this Ludacro's claim that
Speaker 6: anyone on this stage thinks that violent crime should get
Speaker 6: a less severe penalty. Obviously, that is not a special
Speaker 6: position that he's taking. Everyone agrees that horrible crimes should
Speaker 6: have horrible sentences. Judges are equipped to do that, So
Speaker 6: don't let mister Polyev's rhetoric confuse people. Obviously, everyone agrees
Speaker 6: that if someone does something horrible, they should pay a
Speaker 6: horrible price for it. There should be appropriate sentence that's
Speaker 6: put in place by a judge. But what I'm concerned
Speaker 6: about is all of what mister Pouliev's talking about is
Speaker 6: after the fact. Now there's handus things that happen, and
Speaker 6: there needs to be severe pedalies put in place. But
Speaker 6: we also need to keep communities safe, and that's what
Speaker 6: my focus is. Well, how do we stop crime before
Speaker 6: it happens? Much of the violent crime that's committed is
Speaker 6: committed by illegal handguns and firearms that come across the border. Now,
Speaker 6: mister Polyiev has admitted that as well, that it is
Speaker 6: illegal handguns and illegal weapons that are used in violent crime.
Speaker 6: So our plan is let's stop those illegal weapons getting
Speaker 6: into our country in the first place. And the way
Speaker 6: we do that is by having stronger border security officers
Speaker 6: and having more people on the border.
Speaker 7: Mister Pierre Pouliev, when he was in power in the Conservatives,
Speaker 7: they cut the number of border officers. Okay, reduce the number.
Speaker 7: Let's speak inting our border, trust them.
Speaker 3: Let's take this Pauliev on the issue of whether in
Speaker 3: using or not with clause under these circumstances would be
Speaker 3: a kind of a slippery slope and encourage politicians to
Speaker 3: use it more.
Speaker 5: No, we will use it to protect the Charter rights
Speaker 5: of law abiding Canadians. I'm interested in the rights of victims.
Speaker 5: Mister Carney seems to be very interested in the rights
Speaker 5: of criminals. He says that it's dangerous for me to
Speaker 5: ensure that mass murderers stay behind bars for life. You
Speaker 5: know what's dangerous turning them loose on our streets. I
Speaker 5: don't think you appreciate, sir, the chaos that is unfolding
Speaker 5: in communities in Toronto right now. The police have been
Speaker 5: forced to tell people to just let people let the
Speaker 5: thief steal the car, when they break into the house,
Speaker 5: just take the keys. Just let them take the keys
Speaker 5: so that you don't get hurt. People are living in
Speaker 5: terror in many of our communities precisely because of the
Speaker 5: catch and release bail law see seventy five, which requires
Speaker 5: judges release the accused at the earliest opportunity under the
Speaker 5: least onerous conditions. Your every single member of your liberal
Speaker 5: caucus and your liberal cabinet voted in favor of this bill,
Speaker 5: and they are all determined to keep it in place,
Speaker 5: despite constant promises to the contrary, Mister Carney, Canadians deserve
Speaker 5: to live in peace and security.
Speaker 9: That is the right that I'm fighting for for a change.
Speaker 4: I'm fighting for that as well. And let me be
Speaker 4: specific about two things that have been raised. The first
Speaker 4: is with respect to these issues of car theft, home invasion,
Speaker 4: and I'll use the greater the GTA area where there
Speaker 4: has been SARP increase.
Speaker 9: How do you attack that? You attack it several ways?
Speaker 4: One, you increase the criminal penalties for that happening, particularly
Speaker 4: if you're part of a gang, particularly if you use
Speaker 4: the firearm, and you will do that, and we have
Speaker 4: doing so, we've committed to doing so. You put in
Speaker 4: place a reverse onus in terms of bail, so that
Speaker 4: it has to be proven that there's not a which
Speaker 4: we've also committed to. And then you go to what
Speaker 4: mister Singh was talking about, which is we have to
Speaker 4: reinforce our frontiers. That's why we're committing to an extra
Speaker 4: thousand Canada Border Service Agents and extra thousand rcmps. That's
Speaker 4: why as part of the Broader Fentanyl Initiative, where we've
Speaker 4: added to the RCMP there, we've added drones, we're adding helicopters,
Speaker 4: we're adding surveillance, and we're going to the other end
Speaker 4: of the chain with respect to car theft, which is
Speaker 4: tightening security at the ports. This is what we need
Speaker 4: in order to get results. You need to focus where
Speaker 4: at both ends of the chains.
Speaker 3: In federal meeting, thank you very much.
Speaker 6: I want to talk about one of the issues that
Speaker 6: has come up is the idea of the public safety
Speaker 6: concerns around the overdose crisis and how this is devastating
Speaker 6: our communities. We're seeing so many lives being lost in
Speaker 6: that we know that one of the ways to address
Speaker 6: that is by investing in some of the solutions like
Speaker 6: mental health services and rehabilitation services. Services keep our communit
Speaker 6: safe having access to those good services. Both mister Carney
Speaker 6: and mister Poliev are proposing cutting government spending and cutting
Speaker 6: those services. That's not going to make our community safer.
Speaker 6: We need to see better investments in rebilitation services, more
Speaker 6: investments in mental health. We need to respond to this
Speaker 6: serious crisis in our country with care and compassion.
Speaker 7: I've met with Mom Stopped.
Speaker 6: The Harm, an organization of moms that have lost their
Speaker 6: children to this opioid over those crisis. They've literally had
Speaker 6: their children have died because of this, and they they're saying,
Speaker 6: we need to do everything possible to save lives, to
Speaker 6: stop this death from happening. And I think we need
Speaker 6: to listen to those moms, and that's my commitment.
Speaker 8: Mich Blanche two things as rapidly as possible. First, we
Speaker 8: believe that we should act on crime, gangs and organizations,
Speaker 8: defining them as we do for terrorist organization. We have
Speaker 8: to protect our kids from the violence of those gang
Speaker 8: from the drugs being sold by those gangs, from the
Speaker 8: guns and whatever else being so sale being by those
Speaker 8: gangs told and not so being you know, we purchased
Speaker 8: a thing and selling sod so by those gangs. And
Speaker 8: we mostly have to protect our kids from being recruited
Speaker 8: by those gangs becoming violent at thirteen and fourteen and
Speaker 8: sixteen years old, because this is the real fear of
Speaker 8: parents like I am. This is a very dangerous situation.
Speaker 8: I want to come back to immigration, because we said
Speaker 8: that we would come back to immigration. Do you remember
Speaker 8: the Century initiative A sad memory. Officially they said that
Speaker 8: they had not considered Quebec difference, they had not considered
Speaker 8: Quebec language. They wanted cannot that to be one hundred
Speaker 8: million people country by the end of the century. Mister
Speaker 8: Barton told myself told me himself that I've not even
Speaker 8: thought about the Quebec difference in that analysis. And one
Speaker 8: of his collaborators is now a close consider to mister Carney,
Speaker 8: which seems to be part of so of that kind
Speaker 8: of project or ideology. So it is impossible for Canada
Speaker 8: to have all those people come into Canada. It is
Speaker 8: impossible for Quebec to receive all those people. And in
Speaker 8: Quebec we have the language and values and secularity of
Speaker 8: this state issue, which is very important. So I say, pose, pose, pose,
Speaker 8: Let's do things properly. Let's receive migrants in an orderly
Speaker 8: fashion and successfully as a measure of respect for them.
Speaker 3: Also, Miss Polly, if you wanted to work.
Speaker 9: I speak to families all the time.
Speaker 5: We're terrified by the scourge of drugs and illegal guns,
Speaker 5: and we know those guns are not Grandpa Joe's hunting rifle.
Speaker 5: So when the liberals try to ban hunting rifles, they're
Speaker 5: really going after the wrong people. Ninety percent of guns
Speaker 5: that come in that are used in crime are smuggled
Speaker 5: illegally over the porous liberal run borders the border. That's
Speaker 5: why police is not true and that's whytally police the police. Actually,
Speaker 5: if I could, the police actually endorse the police in Barry,
Speaker 5: in Peel, in Sue Saint Marie have all endorsed me
Speaker 5: because they know that I will go after the gun
Speaker 5: smugglers and criminals with two thousand extra border frontline border
Speaker 5: guards that will stop the guns from coming in. But I,
Speaker 5: unlike the liberals and NDP. I will not ban hunting rifles.
Speaker 5: The liberals want to protect I want to protect Canadians
Speaker 5: from criminals. The liberals want to protect turkeys from hunters.
Speaker 5: I think we know which one.
Speaker 3: Makes this quick intervention, mister Carney. Then I got a
Speaker 3: question for each of you before this segment's out.
Speaker 4: Okay, we absolutely fully support hunting rights of hunters and
Speaker 4: Indigenous Canadians. But I want to I'm going to raise an.
Speaker 9: Issue which is a serious issue about safety.
Speaker 4: Uh, there are people we're in Montreal, in Montreal, in Toronto,
Speaker 4: across this country who fear going to their synagogue, fear
Speaker 4: going to their community center, fear taking their children, leaving
Speaker 4: their children' school.
Speaker 9: And this has to stop. This is on. It's totally unacceptable.
Speaker 4: So what we're proposing is to make it a criminal
Speaker 4: offense to threaten or to impede anyone from being near
Speaker 4: or going to their place of worship, their school, their
Speaker 4: community center. It pains me that when we have to
Speaker 4: do it, because this is not what we should be
Speaker 4: doing as Canadians, of course, but we will put that
Speaker 4: in place.
Speaker 9: Let me get back, and this is a fundamental issue
Speaker 9: with me.
Speaker 3: Get these ten seconds from each of you before this
Speaker 3: segments out on what you perceive to be the biggest
Speaker 3: security threat to Canada right now ten seconds each, mister Poulief.
Speaker 5: The physical security threat to our country is the rampant
Speaker 5: crime wave that is running out of control. After the
Speaker 5: last decade, we had one hundred and sixteen percent increasing
Speaker 5: gun crime. A large second criminals.
Speaker 3: I got a holder of the ten seconds, mister Carney.
Speaker 4: Uh, well, we're in a security section. I think we
Speaker 4: didn't have a chance to talk about anything internationally. I
Speaker 4: think the biggest security threat to Canada's China.
Speaker 6: China, you say, mister s biggest security threat legal guns
Speaker 6: and drugs coming across the border and cuts the services
Speaker 6: that would make our public safety and security even worse.
Speaker 8: Last words, the fact that neither Quebec or Canada is
Speaker 8: able to protect itself and that we are still dependent
Speaker 8: and entirely dependent on American to protect us.
Speaker 3: Okay, that is the end of that section, gentlemen. Up next,
Speaker 3: Energy and climate.
Speaker 5: Improving pipelines, getting things filled, unleashing production.
Speaker 4: We are unlocking major infrastructure projects, including in conventional energy,
Speaker 4: oil and gas.
Speaker 8: We're speaking thousands of dollars a year for each family
Speaker 8: to pay for the damages of climate change.
Speaker 6: We can absolutely build important projects like an East West energy.
Speaker 3: Grid energy and climate change. I know how much all
Speaker 3: of you love talking about pipeline, So here we go,
Speaker 3: mister Singh. Do you first, should Canada build new pipelines
Speaker 3: to get our oil and gas to market?
Speaker 6: Well, it's not an approach I favor with public money.
Speaker 6: There's not any projects that are on the table, so
Speaker 6: it's not a specific project to look at. I favor
Speaker 6: when it comes to the environment, building an East West
Speaker 6: energy grid that connects low cost energy and allows for
Speaker 6: families to reduce their electricity costs. But let's put this
Speaker 6: all in context. We're talking about what our energy solutions
Speaker 6: are in the context of a climate crisis, and we're
Speaker 6: not just talking about a climate crisis in the far future.
Speaker 7: We're living it right now.
Speaker 6: I remember I met a mom a couple years ago
Speaker 6: before I had kids, who told me she was worried
Speaker 6: about taking her kids out on some days because of
Speaker 6: the forest fires in BC. It meant that it was
Speaker 6: unsafe for kids to go outdoors. Fast forward to when
Speaker 6: I became a parent just a couple years after that,
Speaker 6: and I literally worry about the same thing. The forest
Speaker 6: fires we saw a couple years ago meant that many
Speaker 6: places that didn't see this before saw days where there
Speaker 6: was such smoke in the air that.
Speaker 7: It was dangerous for kids.
Speaker 6: We see extreme weather, forest fires, heat, domes, floods impacting us.
Speaker 7: We've got to do everything we can.
Speaker 3: Thank time, mister Sting, that's time, mister Paulyev. Where does
Speaker 3: fighting climate change land on your list of priorities when
Speaker 3: it comes to expanding energy opportunities in this country?
Speaker 5: It lands within our priorities of bringing home jobs while
Speaker 5: bringing down emissions around the world. Look, the reality is
Speaker 5: that if we push production out of our country to
Speaker 5: more polluting countries, it actually makes the problem worse. But
Speaker 5: that has been exactly the liberal approach. With the antidevelopment
Speaker 5: law of C. Sixty nine blocking of fifteen LNG export plants.
Speaker 5: Over the last ten years, we have seen more of
Speaker 5: those jobs go abroad. I want to bring them home.
Speaker 5: Will be to approve, for example, natural gas liquefaction and export.
Speaker 5: If we sent our gas to India, for example, to
Speaker 5: displace half of their demand for electricity, we could reduce
Speaker 5: emissions by two point five billion tons, which is three
Speaker 5: times the total emissions of Canada. That's the way we
Speaker 5: bring emissions down and jobs up. It's common sense and
Speaker 5: now it's time to bring it home.
Speaker 3: Thank you, mister Pelliev. The next question is for mister Kearney.
Speaker 3: How would your government fast track pipelines and mining projects
Speaker 3: while also following the Supreme Court decision that requires consent
Speaker 3: of indigenous communities.
Speaker 4: Well, I think the first thing, and this goes back
Speaker 4: a bit to where we started, which is recognizing that
Speaker 4: we are in a crisis. We need to act with
Speaker 4: maximum force and having a process and a consultation, but
Speaker 4: a consultation with a purpose, which is to a dent
Speaker 4: those projects, those investments of national interest that are really
Speaker 4: going to move the dial in terms of growth, jobs,
Speaker 4: energy security, well being consistent with long term competitiveness, which
Speaker 4: necessarily means lower carbon And so part of that process
Speaker 4: is ensuring that First Nations indigenous peoples are there from
Speaker 4: the start. It also includes their ability to participate fully
Speaker 4: in those projects. And that's why and I'll I know you,
Speaker 4: I can tell it. You've got to tell on when
Speaker 4: I've gone on too long. So finish up, which is
Speaker 4: that's why we're doubling our proposals to double the Indigenous
Speaker 4: Loan guaranteed program to ten billion dollars.
Speaker 9: What does that actually mean.
Speaker 4: It means an ability for them to invest equity in
Speaker 4: those partners.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Mitell is my clock and my clock is at zero,
Speaker 3: So that's how it goes. Mister Blanche, do you still
Speaker 3: oppose pipeline construction in Quebec even though a majority of
Speaker 3: Quebecer's now apparently say they support it.
Speaker 8: We will know about that when we have the debate
Speaker 8: about that, which has not begun yet. We are just
Speaker 8: bigoting it first. We are hearing very creative numbers and
Speaker 8: we are being fed nonsense and we will be back
Speaker 8: to it in a few minutes. But energy trade commerce
Speaker 8: is from south to north or north to south, and
Speaker 8: it's true in Quebec. Also in a little more than
Speaker 8: three years, Donald Trump won't be in office and there
Speaker 8: will be not one more pipeline having been built once
Speaker 8: we get there. So let's be serious, responsible and we
Speaker 8: will be back with the numbers we don't want to
Speaker 8: pay in Quebec for such montraosities which will provide us
Speaker 8: with nothing.
Speaker 3: We now move to open debate and you all will
Speaker 3: get a chance or have had a chance to get
Speaker 3: the first shot at this a Bishop Blanche, it is
Speaker 3: your turn to get the first shot. Canada has a
Speaker 3: substantial supply critical minerals which are in high demand. Are
Speaker 3: you in favor of allowing these minerals to be mined?
Speaker 8: Of course, it has to be done properly. Quebec as
Speaker 8: probably the most important clean phosphat reserves in North America.
Speaker 8: In Sagney Laxtansion, it is very important. It has to
Speaker 8: be exploited. This is the best way to use Paul
Speaker 8: Sagny as an infrastructure that we need. We have Licham,
Speaker 8: everybody needs. The transportation has to be taken from oil
Speaker 8: to clean energy. This is what we want to be
Speaker 8: working on. It is part of the specificities specifics of
Speaker 8: Quebec economy. So we are in favor of that. But
Speaker 8: we don't want to pay for the thirty billions of
Speaker 8: dollars which have been spent on oil and gas by
Speaker 8: the Liberals last year. It's seven billions of dollars from Quebec.
Speaker 8: We don't want to pay for the forty billions of
Speaker 8: dollars which have been spent by the Liberals on Transpountain.
Speaker 8: It's nine billions of dollars from Quebec. Those are sixteen
Speaker 8: billions of dollars of which not one dollar has been
Speaker 8: spent in Quebec to develop a lot more power and
Speaker 8: wealth for Quebecers with our own money.
Speaker 4: We need to let the leader of the Liberals respond, well, Actually,
Speaker 4: I was going to pick up on the enormous opportunity
Speaker 4: that exists in Quebec, exists in Ontario, exists in the
Speaker 4: North of Canada, really exists across this great nation in
Speaker 4: terms of critical medals and minerals. We are to have
Speaker 4: one of the biggest resources in this country. And this
Speaker 4: is it's not just enormous economic opportunity, it is a
Speaker 4: strategic opportunity for Canada. So we have to make a
Speaker 4: decision not just to develop it, but how do we
Speaker 4: develop it and who are our partners for it? Do
Speaker 4: we become more dependent on the United States, which is
Speaker 4: what they want. By the way, President Trump this week
Speaker 4: said you might put a tax on critical and minerals,
Speaker 4: just showing again live if I may, and so the discussions.
Speaker 9: That they go if I may, if I may, finish,
Speaker 9: and finish, let me finish.
Speaker 4: So the opportunity includes in Europe, and includes in Asia
Speaker 4: as our partner's last point in order to get it done.
Speaker 4: In order to get it done, we'll put in place
Speaker 4: a first and last mile fund so these projects are
Speaker 4: connected to road and rail so they can go quickly
Speaker 4: to market, and we will have all of the other
Speaker 4: fast tracking measures in place that I talked about earlier
Speaker 4: in terms of capital timing approvals, so that we can
Speaker 4: move quickly.
Speaker 9: We can be stronger at home as.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you should absolutely take advantage of the
Speaker 6: fact that we've got incredible amounts of critical minerals in
Speaker 6: our country. And the way we do that is with
Speaker 6: any energy project or any project of this nature, make
Speaker 6: sure it's got the local community buy in, it creates
Speaker 6: good jobs and communities, make sure we are meeting all
Speaker 6: our environmental needs, and we work with indigenous partnership.
Speaker 7: And so I absolutely agree with that.
Speaker 6: I want to build on something mister Blanche mentioned about
Speaker 6: the investments that this country has made. What I find
Speaker 6: very troubling is that the past number of years, the
Speaker 6: Liberal government record is one where we have spent the
Speaker 6: most subsidies compared to any other country in the G
Speaker 6: seven on subsidizing oil and gas. These are highly profitable
Speaker 6: companies you vote think that's the wrong thing to do.
Speaker 6: We fought against it again and again vot and then
Speaker 6: the Liberals have continued to do it. And so my
Speaker 6: question really to mister Kearney is will you commit to
Speaker 6: ending oil and gas subsidies. We should be using that
Speaker 6: to invest in people, not giving it to highly profitable
Speaker 6: oil and gas companies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked, I promise mister Paull the next we'll
Speaker 3: come back and get that question answered, mister Pollev.
Speaker 5: Well, mister Kearney, you point out that Donald Trump has
Speaker 5: a wrongheaded idea of putting attacks on.
Speaker 9: Our minds and our industry, and that is wrong.
Speaker 8: But so do you.
Speaker 5: You want to apply a massive industrial carbon tax on
Speaker 5: Canadian mines, Canadian steel mills, Canadian aluminlin plant. You want
Speaker 5: to lot to Canadian oil and gas plan and your
Speaker 5: idea is to double the tax that Trump is applying
Speaker 5: by hitting them a second time. This will do nothing
Speaker 5: for the environment. It will actually ship our jobs south
Speaker 5: of the border, President Trump.
Speaker 9: Once.
Speaker 5: My plan is to bring that production home here to Canada.
Speaker 5: For example, I will give a tax credit to low
Speaker 5: emitting Canadian industry like Quebec's aluminum for example, or British
Speaker 5: Columbia's natural gas, so that we not only bring home
Speaker 5: the production, but we do it below global average levels
Speaker 5: of emissions the trends that we actually help the environment
Speaker 5: while bringing home the jobs for our people.
Speaker 9: At the same time.
Speaker 5: That is, that is a sensible, pragmatic approach that puts
Speaker 5: us in charge of our economic destiny, so we can
Speaker 5: stand up to the Americans from a position of strength
Speaker 5: for a change.
Speaker 3: I want to get. I want to give you a
Speaker 3: chance to speak to mister Singh's criticism about oil and
Speaker 3: gas subsidies and mister Aliev's criticism about the industrial carbon tax.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to make to make three points. I'll
Speaker 4: make four if you want me to respond to that,
Speaker 4: but I want to make three. The first is that
Speaker 4: we answered I answered this question last night, but I
Speaker 4: think the pucket already dropped in the Canadians games and
Speaker 4: not everyone heard it. Yes, and to oil and gas subsidiesecon. Secondly, Secondly,
Speaker 4: but I've done it independently. Secondly, recognizing that the biggest
Speaker 4: component of that was the cost of building Keystone. Keystone,
Speaker 4: which is the pipeline which has helped to increase oil
Speaker 4: and gas or oil exports rather by fifty percent in
Speaker 4: this country. That is an asset of the people of Canada.
Speaker 4: We own it and the question what to do it
Speaker 4: so it's not a subsidy that has disappeared, is actually
Speaker 4: an asset of Canada. A third point though, in terms
Speaker 4: of where the oil and gas industry, particularly the oil
Speaker 4: industry needs, wants to and needs to go, which is
Speaker 4: to become low carbon, low carbon in the production and
Speaker 4: transportation of oil. One of the big projects we need
Speaker 4: to move forward with is carbon capture and storage, the
Speaker 4: Pathways project, so that we have oil and gas that
Speaker 4: is competitive, not just today, ten years from now and
Speaker 4: twenty years from now. As the world uses less we
Speaker 4: want to have more market share.
Speaker 9: We need to do my government. My government will move that.
Speaker 6: But by definition of subsidy isn't when we buy a pipeline,
Speaker 6: I'm talking about subsidies. They go to oil and gas
Speaker 6: companies well dependent separate from the country oil and gas companies.
Speaker 9: That's what the figure you quoted last night included the
Speaker 9: cost of the pipeline.
Speaker 7: You want to address dollars are spending. We got to
Speaker 7: stop spending.
Speaker 3: Can we can we get you to address his point
Speaker 3: how industrial carbon.
Speaker 5: How much will the industrial carbon tax added to the
Speaker 5: price of a car?
Speaker 4: So the first thing I want to say is we
Speaker 4: have I'm going to address the broader point. Well, broader
Speaker 4: point is the entire absence of a climate plan from
Speaker 4: mister Polya, which, by the way, is going to put
Speaker 4: our industry and our country at a disadvantage as we're
Speaker 4: looking for new trading partners. Guess what most people want
Speaker 4: to deepen our partnership in Europe, in Asia. Those countries
Speaker 4: care about whether or not you've made progress. Second thing
Speaker 4: is we're designing a program so that the big polluters
Speaker 4: pay Canadians at home for making responsible climate choices, for
Speaker 4: retrofitting their home, getting their emissions down, or improving otherwise.
Speaker 4: And that is smart climate policy. It's better for the
Speaker 4: big polluters and it's better for Canadians.
Speaker 5: Mister Carney didn't answer my question. I asked how much
Speaker 5: would then industrial carbon tax on Canadian steel add to
Speaker 5: the price of a car. He won't answer because he
Speaker 5: knows that it will be very expensive because there's lots
Speaker 5: of steel in cars. Now, well, mister Carney has temporarily,
Speaker 5: but do you.
Speaker 9: Know the hid in the car throw a thousands of dollars.
Speaker 9: Thousands of dollars, Actually, I actually do.
Speaker 5: When you add taxes to steel, you raise the price
Speaker 5: of everything that uses steel.
Speaker 9: When you add everything.
Speaker 5: Taxes, when you add, when you add, when you add
Speaker 5: the carbon tax onto the price, for a example, fertilizer,
Speaker 5: you increase the price of food. So while mister Carney
Speaker 5: has temporarily hidden the Liberal carbon tax at the pumps,
Speaker 5: while keeping the tax fully in law and planning to
Speaker 5: raise it after the election, he's also going after a
Speaker 5: tax on our industry that will ultimately be passed on
Speaker 5: to you. After a lost Liberal decade of rising costs,
Speaker 5: we cannot afford a fourth Liberal term. We need a
Speaker 5: new government that will fully ax the carbon tax, increase
Speaker 5: the jobs that we have here in Canada, and bring
Speaker 5: down your cost of living.
Speaker 3: We got just a little over three minutes left in
Speaker 3: this segment, So mister Singer, want to ask you, do
Speaker 3: you think climate change is still a priority from Canadians.
Speaker 3: You're out there, what are you hearing.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, you speak to any young person and they think
Speaker 6: we're seeing climate crisis in front of us happening right now.
Speaker 6: Speak to seniors who say, you know, we used to
Speaker 6: be able to live in our homes without air conditioning.
Speaker 6: And now we're seeing heat crises in communities that never
Speaker 6: had worries about extreme weather. We're seeing flooding, We're seeing
Speaker 6: forest fires like never before. We're living in a climate crisis.
Speaker 6: So Canadians are absolutely worried about it. As soon as
Speaker 6: he come into a summer, we start seeing those forest
Speaker 6: fires again. It's top of mind for Canadians because they're
Speaker 6: living it, they're seeing it, and I want those Canadians
Speaker 6: to know mister Carnie is not going to end those
Speaker 6: phosiph subsidies unless I'm there to fight back. Mister Pouliev
Speaker 6: wants to let big polluted is pollute as much as
Speaker 6: they want poison our beautiful land or water air. He
Speaker 6: wants to let them dump into our oceans. I'm going
Speaker 6: to fight back and defend our environment.
Speaker 3: Monsieur Blanche. On the issue of whether or not people
Speaker 3: still care about climate change.
Speaker 8: I think people should be kept very informed about climate
Speaker 8: change because we are in a very strange denial situation
Speaker 8: about climate change, which still exists and is very expensive.
Speaker 8: And I'm sorry to crash your party, guys, but you
Speaker 8: are telling fairy tales clean oil and gas is a
Speaker 8: fairy tale. Large scales carbons sequestration. Sorry, I'm French, is
Speaker 8: a fairy tail. It does not exist. If Albert I
Speaker 8: wanted to exploit oil and gas and it were not
Speaker 8: a matter of pollution, I wouldn't mind at all. That's
Speaker 8: their business. Our own powerhouse in terms of energy in
Speaker 8: Quebec is clean energy. We are the best place in
Speaker 8: the world to achieve that. Our market is the northeastern part,
Speaker 8: Democratic part of United States. We want to keep our
Speaker 8: money to create wealth in Quebec for Quebecers. Let me
Speaker 8: get mystery different because we can afford.
Speaker 3: Let me give I will get to you because I
Speaker 3: said I would. But you've taken a couple of hits
Speaker 3: here and I want to give you a chance to
Speaker 3: respond to some of the things that people on this
Speaker 3: side of the stage have said.
Speaker 9: Thank you well.
Speaker 5: First of all, we do support protecting the environment banning.
Speaker 5: We want to ban the dumping of ross sewage into
Speaker 5: our waters. We want to hold large corporations to high
Speaker 5: environmental standards to protect our water and air. But we
Speaker 5: cannot do that by raising taxes and sending jobs overseas.
Speaker 5: As mister Carney is proposing to do that has been
Speaker 5: the approach of the last ten years of the Liberal government.
Speaker 5: What the biggest companies that develop our resources say is
Speaker 5: that we need to repeal the Liberal anti development law
Speaker 5: CE sixty nine, a lot mister Carney wants to keep
Speaker 5: in place. They say, we need to repeal the industrial
Speaker 5: carbon tax and get rid of the Liberal energy cap.
Speaker 5: We need six months approval in order to get ART
Speaker 5: to take back energy security and energy Soviets.
Speaker 9: Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: You know, I was born in for Smith in the
Speaker 4: Northwest Territories, just north of what the oil sands became.
Speaker 4: When I was born and when I was growing up
Speaker 4: in Edmonton early days, it was a fairy tale quote unquote,
Speaker 4: But you know what happened, Canadian ingenuity, Canadian engineers, Canadian governments,
Speaker 4: both the federal government and the Alberta government got together
Speaker 4: and created converted this.
Speaker 3: If I may, I finish ten more seconds to finish place,
Speaker 3: let them finish this point.
Speaker 4: That's the opportunity we have. That's the opportunity we have
Speaker 4: in carbon capture. That's the opportunity we have in small
Speaker 4: modular reactors.
Speaker 9: That's the opportunity we.
Speaker 4: Have in hydrogen Beyond this country can be a clean
Speaker 4: energy superpower.
Speaker 9: My government will help deliver.
Speaker 3: And that is time for this segment. Gentlemen, let us
Speaker 3: go to our final theme, which is called leading in
Speaker 3: a crisis.
Speaker 7: Canadians know how to weather a storm. Canadians know how
Speaker 7: to get through a difficult time.
Speaker 8: If at the end of the day we end up
Speaker 8: with the about in some of power, Quebec is safer
Speaker 8: than it could be in any utter scenario.
Speaker 9: Now is not a time for weakness. Now is the
Speaker 9: time to take back control.
Speaker 4: Canadians are always ready when someone else drops the gloves.
Speaker 3: Okay, Leading in a crisis is a pretty broad theme
Speaker 3: that allows us to explore many different avenues here, So
Speaker 3: let's get to it. Mister Carne, you get the first
Speaker 3: question this time. We haven't balanced a budget in this
Speaker 3: country in seventeen years, and ten of those years were
Speaker 3: under your party. You have pledged to get us to
Speaker 3: a balanced budget in three years.
Speaker 10: Question is how.
Speaker 4: So let me put this in the context of leading
Speaker 4: in a crisis, which is, in a crisis, you've got
Speaker 4: a plan for the worse. Worse is that the US
Speaker 4: actually does want to take us over. Secondly, you've got
Speaker 4: to have a plan a plan to build, and I
Speaker 4: include a fiscal plan and I will get to that
Speaker 4: in a second. The third thing is you need to
Speaker 4: respond in a crisis with overwhelming force. You need to
Speaker 4: think big, you need to move rapidly. The things we've
Speaker 4: been discussing today are a subset of what we can
Speaker 4: and should do as a nation, and we can deliver
Speaker 4: and government can play a role, but its role has
Speaker 4: to be catalytic. And so our approach is that we
Speaker 4: will slow the rate of spending. It's been growing at
Speaker 4: nine percent a year operational spending program spending away from transfers,
Speaker 4: away from transfers into nine percent a year.
Speaker 9: We'll slow that to two percent.
Speaker 4: We will focus on a small amoun out of capital
Speaker 4: spending by the federal government in order to drive enormous
Speaker 4: private investment up to half a trillion dollars by five years.
Speaker 3: Thank you, mister Kearney. Ukraine surely constitutes a crisis leading
Speaker 3: in a time of crisis. Mister POLLYV question for you,
Speaker 3: if the United States withholds support from Ukraine going forward,
Speaker 3: do you believe Canada should commit more to assist.
Speaker 5: I believe we should continue to support Ukraine. Our party
Speaker 5: supported donating missiles that the Canadian military was decommissioning. We
Speaker 5: supported funds and other armaments to back the Ukrainians in
Speaker 5: the defense of their sovereignty. We also need to rebuild
Speaker 5: our own Canadian military because the Russians want to make
Speaker 5: incursions into our waters. We'll be buying four massive Arctic
Speaker 5: ice breakers. I'll be opening the first Arctic base since
Speaker 5: the Cold War in Canada CFB a Caloit. We're going
Speaker 5: to double the size of the Arctic Rangers and fill
Speaker 5: the vacancies in our Canadian armed forces. We need a
Speaker 5: change to rebuild our military, which has been so disintegrated
Speaker 5: under the cuts and the mismanagement of the last ten years.
Speaker 5: But we can have a change because we have the
Speaker 5: best soldiers, sailors and airmen in the world, and they
Speaker 5: will have full backing from my government if you give
Speaker 5: me the honor of becoming Prime Minister.
Speaker 3: I may come back to that one in the open forum,
Speaker 3: because I'm not sure we got an answer about Ukraine
Speaker 3: on that one. But okay, well, going on, mister Blanche,
Speaker 3: the answer was yes, we'll get more details perhaps as
Speaker 3: we go forward. Mister Blanche, given the US trade war,
Speaker 3: should any talk of a referendum on Quebec independence be
Speaker 3: put on pause.
Speaker 8: That one is easy. It will happen only after the
Speaker 8: negotiation is over, and that's a good thing. I want
Speaker 8: to say. I support the idea. We must help Ukraine,
Speaker 8: but we also must help the civilians of Gasa, and
Speaker 8: we must destroy Hamas, which is a terrorist organization.
Speaker 7: You know what.
Speaker 8: I don't want to be the leader of Canada. You
Speaker 8: will understand that I don't want to be Prime minister.
Speaker 8: But I can offer to be a partner, a responsible partner,
Speaker 8: a collaborative partner. If Quebec is respected in its differences
Speaker 8: in its aluminum industry and lumberwood industry, and culture and
Speaker 8: French language and values of secularity of the state, which
Speaker 8: is the price to be paid in order to have
Speaker 8: real equality, then if we are respected, we will be
Speaker 8: a partner, and then even Canada will be stronger in
Speaker 8: its negotiation against Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: This is what I am offering. Respect us, mister Singh.
Speaker 3: I watched last night's debate. You seem very eager to
Speaker 3: talk about healthcare. So let's talk a little more healthcare
Speaker 3: right now. You have made many promises on healthcare. If
Speaker 3: a province says to you, We'll take your money for
Speaker 3: health care, but not your conditions on how to spend it.
Speaker 8: What do you do.
Speaker 6: We've got to negotiate. We can't be giving away money
Speaker 6: without clear conditions. We're in a healthcare crisis right now,
Speaker 6: and a crisis that is hurting people across this country.
Speaker 6: People are waiting desperately in line in emergency rooms.
Speaker 7: For hours and hours.
Speaker 6: Seniors are waiting for years and years to get the
Speaker 6: care that they need for surgeries that would remove pain
Speaker 6: or help them deal with mobility issues.
Speaker 7: We're in a serious crisis.
Speaker 6: Healthcare workers are burnt out, they are overstretched, and what
Speaker 6: we're seeing is more and more privatization and that is
Speaker 6: hurting our public universal healthcare system.
Speaker 7: So we've got to fight back against it.
Speaker 6: We cannot allow our public money to go to a
Speaker 6: for profit private clinic lining the pockets of a rich
Speaker 6: CEO or investors instead of going towards care. We need
Speaker 6: to make sure that we are investing in solutions where
Speaker 6: care gets to people, not profiting those at the very top.
Speaker 7: And so that's my commitment.
Speaker 6: I'm going to fight to metion we defend our healthcare
Speaker 6: against the threats of American position and privacy.
Speaker 3: Okay, we now go to open forum, debate and Prepsmister Pauliev,
Speaker 3: you get the first word here. This might be a
Speaker 3: good time to put a little more flesh on the
Speaker 3: bone of what you think Canada could do for Ukraine
Speaker 3: and see us backs out.
Speaker 5: Yes, And what my answer is that we should continue
Speaker 5: to support Ukraine. We don't need to follow the Americans
Speaker 5: and everything they do. When they're wrong, then we will
Speaker 5: stand on our own and with other allies, and with
Speaker 5: respect to Ukraine, that course includes support with intelligence, equipment, armaments,
Speaker 5: but it also includes defunding Putin. Right now, Vladimir Putin
Speaker 5: has a monopoly on the European energy market because frankly,
Speaker 5: the Liberals blocked exports of Canadian natural gas off the
Speaker 5: Atlantic coast. They've blocked multiple projects. I would rapidly approve
Speaker 5: those projects on national security grounds so that we can
Speaker 5: actually ship Canadian natural gas over to Europe, break European
Speaker 5: depend on Putin, depind the war, and turn dollars for
Speaker 5: dictators back into paychecks for our people.
Speaker 4: Just current you wanted to add, well, I want to
Speaker 4: go to the situation in Ukraine because's very important. We've
Speaker 4: been a steadfast. Canada has been a steadfast ally and
Speaker 4: Canadians have stepped up welcoming Ukrainians into their homes and
Speaker 4: supporting them in other ways. You know, my first month
Speaker 4: as Prime Minister, we joined the Coalition of the Willing
Speaker 4: to support Ukraine as the US step back, so led
Speaker 4: by France, the United Kingdom with Ukraine, number European nations, Australia, ourselves,
Speaker 4: New Zealand. That's an example of how the new world
Speaker 4: is going to be. Canada participating in these areas and helping.
Speaker 4: It also means open trade. Mister Pouliev voted against free
Speaker 4: trade agreement with U Traine Ukraine. It means aid for Ukraine.
Speaker 4: Mister Pouliev wants to cut for an aid including for
Speaker 4: Ukraine or not. You didn't mention support for aid for Ukraine.
Speaker 4: We have to stand by them, We have to be
Speaker 4: there in this govern and has.
Speaker 6: New Democrats absolutely support standing with Ukraine and will continue
Speaker 6: to do that. But I appreciate the opportunity in talking
Speaker 6: about leadership and crisis, talk about many of the crises
Speaker 6: that were up against, and one of the crises were
Speaker 6: up against in our country with the threat of Donald Trump,
Speaker 6: with the threat of the trade war and with the
Speaker 6: privatization and americanization of.
Speaker 7: Our healthcare system. Is the healthcare system.
Speaker 6: And what we have learned today. You know, mister Carney
Speaker 6: mentioned slowing operation spending. That's a cut to services.
Speaker 7: He set his plan.
Speaker 6: He has a plan to balance the operating budget within
Speaker 6: three years. That's going to require massive cuts to spending.
Speaker 6: We calculated that at forty three billion dollars in cuts.
Speaker 6: In fact, Rose Murray Barton when he was on the
Speaker 6: show in February sixteenth, he said he would cut spending.
Speaker 6: He said it would be in operations. He defined it
Speaker 6: as transfers in health and finally, longtime liberal and former
Speaker 6: House Leader Krina Gould.
Speaker 7: Said that mister Carney's plans would mean massive cuts. That's
Speaker 7: the only way to achieve it.
Speaker 6: So, mister Karney, you think it is LEADLeadership to cut
Speaker 6: healthcare at a time when it is in crisis.
Speaker 8: I think it is wrong.
Speaker 7: We can't do that.
Speaker 4: We will not cut transfers for healthcare. We will not
Speaker 4: cut healthcare spending full stop.
Speaker 6: But we'll happen to retail if I mean, what do
Speaker 6: we believe if mister Carney today or the one he
Speaker 6: spoke at on Rosemarry Barton showing every sixteen I did
Speaker 6: not one that.
Speaker 7: Repeated again that he would cut spending by what do
Speaker 7: we believe.
Speaker 4: If I may consistently said, we'll preserve all transfers to
Speaker 4: the provinces, including the increases. We will preserve all the
Speaker 4: transfers to individuals include I won't detail them all, but
Speaker 4: they're so. We're looking at addressing an operational spend which
Speaker 4: is about one hundred and fifty billion dollars. We will
Speaker 4: address that. We will make it more efficient, and we
Speaker 4: will do it in three years and we'll balance that budget.
Speaker 8: I am six minutes behind mister Carney, so I will
Speaker 8: speak a little bit longer. First, I will support any
Speaker 8: initiative with will which will bring Canada aligned with your
Speaker 8: ROPE and NATO in order to be stronger and facing
Speaker 8: new treats. I believe that two persons won't be enough.
Speaker 8: I'm not more in favor of war than anybody else.
Speaker 8: But we have responsibilities and our main alle is removing
Speaker 8: himself from the stage, so we have to step up.
Speaker 8: We have to do our part. I want to go
Speaker 8: somewhere else entirely, However, I want to ask mister Carney
Speaker 8: if we're speaking about leadership here, if Quebec and Canada
Speaker 8: were to say you are not being given a majority government,
Speaker 8: there will be more Conservatives than you would like, me
Speaker 8: be more the New Democrats than you would like, and
Speaker 8: more people from the blog than you would like. Will
Speaker 8: you accept, because you don't seem to be very eager
Speaker 8: about that, to deal with people which basically are more
Speaker 8: experienced than you, are, as legitimate as you are, and
Speaker 8: would be more representative altogether than you would be being
Speaker 8: alone in your little kingdom. And I will all suit
Speaker 8: you to propose to you all guys that one week
Speaker 8: after an election, one week after the election, we all meet,
Speaker 8: whatever the results, and we start dealing with this crisis together,
Speaker 8: because this is what people either they are from Alberta
Speaker 8: or Quebec or wherever, this is what people expect from.
Speaker 3: Is that something you could get behind.
Speaker 4: I look forward to meeting with everyone. You're welcome to come,
Speaker 4: Steve if you'd like. We have choice, but better respectful.
Speaker 4: But I'm coming, Okay, I will I come to the court. Okay,
Speaker 4: I'll come to the court. But in a crisis, yes,
Speaker 4: you need a team UH and you need to bring
Speaker 4: UH the country along.
Speaker 9: With you.
Speaker 4: So what I did in the first week was to
Speaker 4: bring the premiers together, meet with all the indigenous leaders,
Speaker 4: uh and move forward in that context. Now the question
Speaker 4: is who's going to lead out of this. Whoever leads
Speaker 4: out of this, if I may, mister Blanche, whoever, thank you,
Speaker 4: whoever's going to lead out of this is going to
Speaker 4: need to work with all the provinces, work with labor,
Speaker 4: work with Indigenous leaders, work with all Canadians to bring
Speaker 4: them forward in a united front.
Speaker 9: And one of make this last.
Speaker 4: Point, one of the things that has happened, which is
Speaker 4: a credit to those people at home, is that Canadians
Speaker 4: are coming together and it's our responsibility to meet the
Speaker 4: strength of Canadian unity.
Speaker 8: A small point to make. You will be elected if
Speaker 8: you are elected in the parliament where they are are
Speaker 8: their leaders. I don't know if he called you, or
Speaker 8: mister Poe, I don't know if he called you. But
Speaker 8: before yesterday, you have not spoken to me once, even
Speaker 8: if I proposed it so many times. But you say
Speaker 8: I speak to provinces leaders. You're not elected in provinces.
Speaker 8: You are in the Parliament where people are to make
Speaker 8: decisions which might not always suit you, but this is
Speaker 8: the Christian I'm going to tell men too much about.
Speaker 3: I'm going to jump in here because I'm noticing what
Speaker 3: the clock is saying. And you brought up Gaza earlier,
Speaker 3: and I think our audience would be interested in hearing
Speaker 3: your views on the other major international crisis facing the word.
Speaker 7: We want to get speak before we get that. Just
Speaker 7: finish up on the healthcare.
Speaker 6: I just want to speak to healthcare workers right now
Speaker 6: who are deeply worried about the status of our healthcare system,
Speaker 6: to Canadians who believe and love our universal public healthcare system,
Speaker 6: to patients who are stressed out. If you're worried about
Speaker 6: wish mister CARNEI to believe the one today or the
Speaker 6: one who spoke on Freebious shows that said he would talk,
Speaker 6: I goe for new Democrats and we will fight to
Speaker 6: defend our healthcare.
Speaker 11: I thank you.
Speaker 3: Really like to hear what you have to say about
Speaker 3: this question, and we have less than five minutes for
Speaker 3: it here. What role should Canada play in the other
Speaker 3: major international crisis in this world, in the Middle East
Speaker 3: and the world Gaza pure Poliev. Would you start us
Speaker 3: off on that? What rule can Canada play well?
Speaker 8: First?
Speaker 5: Of all, we must condemn Hamas and more importantly, the
Speaker 5: terror sponsors in Tehran who initiated the attacks, the horrific
Speaker 5: attacks of October seven. We need to defeat the terrorists
Speaker 5: so that all the peoples of the world can live
Speaker 5: in peace and defend the right of Yes Palestinians to
Speaker 5: have their own lives free from the oppression of Hamas
Speaker 5: dictators and Iranian intervention, while Israel has the ability to
Speaker 5: live in freedom and peace. But I also want to
Speaker 5: say we need to get back to the Canadian tradition,
Speaker 5: which is that when people come to this country, they
Speaker 5: leave foreign conflicts behind. The rampaging riots targeting Jewish communities
Speaker 5: is utterly unacceptable and it points to the growing chaos
Speaker 5: that we see in our streets. After ten years of
Speaker 5: incredibly irresponsible liberal policies, of weak borders, of dividing people
Speaker 5: into groups, of saying one thing to one group and
Speaker 5: the opposite to another, dividing and conquering. We must end
Speaker 5: that division and unite our people so that everyone feels
Speaker 5: safe and that when we come here we put our
Speaker 5: foreign conflicts behind.
Speaker 6: And that's not People come from countries from around the
Speaker 6: world and they care deeply about where they come from,
Speaker 6: and they should be able to do so. That's a
Speaker 6: part of being in our country to have that freedom.
Speaker 6: Your treatment of Palacidians has been frankly discussing, Your treatment
Speaker 6: of people who provide care and service of people in
Speaker 6: Gaza has been discusting. On top of that, people in
Speaker 6: Israel and in past Une deserves to live in peace
Speaker 6: and security, and mister Carney, to date you've not acknowledged
Speaker 6: that what's going on in Gaza is now clearly become
Speaker 6: a genocide. It's important to call things out as they are,
Speaker 6: and you've not done that.
Speaker 3: Mister Carney.
Speaker 9: We need to work to go to your question.
Speaker 4: We need to work with our international partners, maximum pressure,
Speaker 4: maximum encouragement for an.
Speaker 9: Immediate cease fire.
Speaker 4: Those first thing encourage the return of all of the hostages,
Speaker 4: resumption of humanitarian aid. My government put in place hundred
Speaker 4: million dollars of humanitarian raid which is ready to go.
Speaker 4: With respect to where this ultimately goes, Yes to state solution,
Speaker 4: but it has to be a viable and free Palestinian
Speaker 4: state living side by side in peace and.
Speaker 9: Security with the state of Israel.
Speaker 4: I will underscore one other thing, mister Paulyev rightly mentioned Iran.
Speaker 9: The Iranian sponsors in this region.
Speaker 4: We have to be clear eyed about the fundamental risks
Speaker 4: of Iran and do everything with our international partners to
Speaker 4: check it and.
Speaker 8: Turn it mis blanche. If we are to work together,
Speaker 8: we will have to be consistent. The Jewish community in
Speaker 8: Quebec and Canada is arressed by a very little minority
Speaker 8: of radical Islamists, and we don't don't do so much
Speaker 8: to the law in Canada says that somebody may invite
Speaker 8: people to be violent, to propose genocide against another people
Speaker 8: if they can be hidden behind a religious motivation. They
Speaker 8: are in agreement with that. They are in agreement with that,
Speaker 8: They are in agreement with that. And we say it
Speaker 8: is a crime to invite people to violence and killing
Speaker 8: other people. And this is what is being done very
Speaker 8: often in Canada in Quebec with the approval of the
Speaker 8: Criminal Code of Canada, and we are seeing this has
Speaker 8: to be changed. We have to change what we do
Speaker 8: before we want people elsewhere to change what they do.
Speaker 3: Last minute in the segments Polief, this is.
Speaker 5: About crises and leadership, and one crisis we have is
Speaker 5: in immigration. Because of this liberal government's commitment to a
Speaker 5: radical policy called the Century Initiative, which seeks to bring
Speaker 5: our population up to one hundred million people. They have
Speaker 5: allowed massive overcrowding in our communities. That is called housing
Speaker 5: shortage's job shortage, immigration.
Speaker 7: For the government.
Speaker 9: And if I could, I didn't interrupt you. I did not.
Speaker 9: I did not interrupt you don't.
Speaker 8: I do not blame you.
Speaker 10: Let them finish.
Speaker 5: I do not blame immigrants. I blame the Liberal government
Speaker 5: which brought this policy on. And mister Carney wants to
Speaker 5: continue with the Century Initiative.
Speaker 9: This is crazy.
Speaker 5: We have to get back to normal levels of immigration,
Speaker 5: get rid of the fraud in the temporary immigration system,
Speaker 5: and ensure that the people who come here can be
Speaker 5: arrive in numbers that we can house, employ and care for.
Speaker 5: That's how it always was and that's how we're going
Speaker 5: to restore.
Speaker 3: Thank you, mister Polyev. That is our time for the segment.
Speaker 3: Those are our five themes. But we are not done yet.
Speaker 3: We are entering the next section of our debate tonight,
Speaker 3: what we're calling the Leader's Choice, something a little bit different.
Speaker 3: Each of you will get the chance to ask a question,
Speaker 3: any question of any other leader. You can then debate
Speaker 3: the answer and each one on one will last for
Speaker 3: three minutes. So mister Singh, you have the first option here.
Speaker 3: Who do you want to ask your question of.
Speaker 7: Mister Karney, Go for it, Miss Kearney.
Speaker 6: As chair of Brooklyn Investments, your company is one of
Speaker 6: the biggest tax dodgers in Canada. As chair, you prove
Speaker 6: decisions where Brookville Investments bought up affordable homes, kicked out
Speaker 6: the tenants and jacked up the rates. As Prime Minister,
Speaker 6: one of the first things you did was a tax
Speaker 6: cut that helped out mostly millionaires. And you have a
Speaker 6: plan to cut services for people. Now I expect that
Speaker 6: of mister Pierre Poliev and the Conservatives. That's very much
Speaker 6: a conservative plan. But my concern is that doesn't sound
Speaker 6: like what people want for a liberal leader. So my
Speaker 6: question to you is, mister Carney, whose side are you
Speaker 6: really on?
Speaker 9: Thank you, thank you very much for that question.
Speaker 4: Mister sing I'm in the side of Canadians. I'm in
Speaker 4: this for Canadians. I work for Canadians. But you know
Speaker 4: I have to show that though no well, I have
Speaker 4: a track record of public service for this country. Go
Speaker 4: back to something mister Blanche referencedat earlier, which is have
Speaker 4: I resolved any crisis?
Speaker 9: We're in Quebec.
Speaker 4: If you ask anyone in the finance industry, if ask
Speaker 4: anyone in government in Quebec in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 4: they'll know that I resolved the biggest prices.
Speaker 8: He'll do that in Quebec. Yeah, you want to have fun, but.
Speaker 4: Is fairness too with mississions for these two Yes, I
Speaker 4: have had a long career in the private sector. I'm
Speaker 4: proud of that career. I've always acted with integrity and
Speaker 4: it brings me with experience that I can apply.
Speaker 9: A moment of christ.
Speaker 6: And you certainly have served the country, But the problem
Speaker 6: is who have you served. You've served to benefit those
Speaker 6: at the very top. You jacked up the price of
Speaker 6: homes for people living in affordable home as a strategic decision,
Speaker 6: you dodge taxes, and then your decisions at the Prime
Speaker 6: Minister show you're not prioritizing people, but you're probably saying
Speaker 6: big business, the billionaires.
Speaker 4: So the what what have we done as a government directly?
Speaker 4: So we've gone directly to workers, using all of our
Speaker 4: proceeds from the teriffs, committing all of them.
Speaker 9: For workers, the workers most effective.
Speaker 4: It is unlike others, unlike others who to use them,
Speaker 4: use them to cut taxes.
Speaker 9: We are focused on.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not high enough, though you have to accept
Speaker 7: that right now.
Speaker 9: There will be additional programs.
Speaker 4: I am fully confident that the next government, whatever government
Speaker 4: is formed to certainly if I'm in the next government,
Speaker 4: we will make additional programs.
Speaker 9: But you did do for those works? Well, I can't.
Speaker 9: You could couldn't. You couldn't given them were an election
Speaker 9: could have increased I may I make a.
Speaker 4: Core point here, if I may, which is that when
Speaker 4: you think about workers here today and people watching it
Speaker 4: at home, particularly younger people, there is an enormous opportunity
Speaker 4: in the trades, in the skilled traits. We are going
Speaker 4: to build this country in a way that has not
Speaker 4: been seen before. We are literally talking about hundreds of
Speaker 4: thousd not jobs, but careers, and that's why we're investing
Speaker 4: in apprenticeships and mid career And.
Speaker 7: I thin people are worried, misus Karney.
Speaker 6: If new Democrats aren't there to force liberals to make
Speaker 6: sure they remember about people, they will forget.
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, that is time. Thank you for that, mister Blanchet.
Speaker 3: You have the next question to whom would you like
Speaker 3: to put it.
Speaker 8: Mister Karney, You avoided quite quite, I would say skillfully
Speaker 8: the questions of mister mister Singh. But first let me
Speaker 8: correct something. In two thousand and eight, not so much
Speaker 8: by your decision, ten billions of dollars were given to
Speaker 8: car industry in Ontario, while sixteen millions, not billions of
Speaker 8: dollars were lent to lumberwood throughout the whole of Canada.
Speaker 8: I don't believe that's the right way to manage a crisis.
Speaker 8: Since you did not recoup the money from the car industry.
Speaker 8: Then you have been the manager of Brookfield. It's supposed
Speaker 8: to be a green investment fund, but we now know
Speaker 8: that fifty percent of the investments of Brookfield is in
Speaker 8: fossile fuel. It's not so green. You seem to want
Speaker 8: to support oil and gas industry. That's interesting. You want
Speaker 8: to support prefab housing and it's also in the investments
Speaker 8: of Brookfield, but not in Canada. You want to support
Speaker 8: nuclear power, smaller reactors, which are more dangerous by the way,
Speaker 8: and Brookfield has investments in Westinghouse. You have within the
Speaker 8: money of Brookfield in Bermuda and kaim and Allen thirty
Speaker 8: billions of dollars. Billions of dollars is lost for Canada.
Speaker 8: You are having your taxes being paid by families, workers
Speaker 8: helders in Canada and Quebec instead of paying your own taxes.
Speaker 8: So I want to know, will you, before the election
Speaker 8: reveal all the details of your assets as mister mister
Speaker 8: Singh has done, as mister done, and as I have done.
Speaker 8: We have a right under those circumstances.
Speaker 3: Let's let them matter.
Speaker 4: Well, the first thing is I want to say a
Speaker 4: word about uh. I'll say word about broken. You know,
Speaker 4: this is a Canadian success story. It is the largest
Speaker 4: infrastructure investor and developer in the world. It is one
Speaker 4: of the largest, if not the largest developer of renewable
Speaker 4: power in the world.
Speaker 9: And who benefits from that.
Speaker 4: That's Canadian pensioners, That's Quebec pensioners, that is teachers, that
Speaker 4: fire fighters.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 4: A series of people, including individuals, including individuals on the.
Speaker 9: State, benefit from that.
Speaker 4: Now, always acted with integrity, serve the shareholders of Brookfield.
Speaker 9: When I was there, I have left that. I have
Speaker 9: followed all the rules well in advance, all like we
Speaker 9: all did, and working for the people of Canada.
Speaker 8: What do you own why don't.
Speaker 3: Time is time?
Speaker 8: But do you own Blanche.
Speaker 3: We're moving on to mister Pouliev now, who has his
Speaker 3: opportunity to ask the question of whomever he'd like here,
Speaker 3: and that will be mister Carney.
Speaker 5: But if I could book him again by starting by
Speaker 5: setting the stage. The choice in this election is, after
Speaker 5: a lost Liberal decade of rising cost and crime and
Speaker 5: a falling economy under America's thumb, do we want to
Speaker 5: elect them to a fourth term or do we want
Speaker 5: to change. Change that you can afford food and homes,
Speaker 5: Change that you can be safe on your street, and
Speaker 5: you're changed so that your paycheck grows faster than your
Speaker 5: cost of living. Change with a new Conservative government, because
Speaker 5: mister Carr is not change Scarne. In twenty twenty it
Speaker 5: was recorded you began advising Justin Trudeau. It's still the
Speaker 5: Liberal Party website today that you are Justin Trudeau's economic advisor.
Speaker 5: They might want to update your website on that. On
Speaker 5: June third of twenty twenty one, you said that inflation
Speaker 5: would be a sign of economic progress, and you advised governments,
Speaker 5: including Justin Trudeau's, your Liberal government, to print money, which
Speaker 5: led to the worst inflation crisis in a generation. Now,
Speaker 5: that means that mothers went to bed with empty fridges
Speaker 5: and empty bank accounts, worried how they'd feed their kids,
Speaker 5: That seniors worried they'd be evicted from their homes, That
Speaker 5: young people believe they'd never be able to own a
Speaker 5: home in the first place. Now, in retrospect, that you
Speaker 5: look back on the liberal decisions that you advised Justin
Speaker 5: Trudeau to take, will you looked at the case in
Speaker 5: the eye and apologize to the many people who suffered
Speaker 5: as a result of the inflationary policies that you advised
Speaker 5: Justin Trudeau to implement.
Speaker 9: You know it's.
Speaker 4: I said earlier, but I'm going to say it again.
Speaker 4: I know you want to be running against Justin Trudeau.
Speaker 4: Justin Trudeau isn't here.
Speaker 9: Are you denied?
Speaker 4: I'm here, economic advisor. I did not provide any of
Speaker 4: that advice. I did not provide any of that.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Are you accusing your Liberal Party of lying about your roles?
Speaker 5: It says today you can go to the Liberal Party
Speaker 5: website now and it says that you are.
Speaker 9: The way the way you judge.
Speaker 4: The way you judge someone, in my view, is how
Speaker 4: they act, what they do when they have responsibility.
Speaker 9: Twice I was a central bank governor and in both cases.
Speaker 4: If I may, if I may, in both cases when
Speaker 4: I was responsible for inflation, inflation was less than two percent.
Speaker 4: I'll add that when I was here responsible for the
Speaker 4: bank ac candidate was less than two percent.
Speaker 9: Our dollar was at parody.
Speaker 4: That is the kind of success that I can deliver
Speaker 4: for this country coming on this crisis.
Speaker 12: And what.
Speaker 9: Is that stake? What is that stake.
Speaker 1: We have had?
Speaker 9: I'm a generation because the bringing back of the MPs
Speaker 9: that are.
Speaker 5: To the fallow Canadians crisis, which the last ten years
Speaker 5: has been about the liberals, the next ten years should
Speaker 5: be about you.
Speaker 3: And that's time, mister Kearney. Good news is the next
Speaker 3: question is yours.
Speaker 9: Well, I'm going to ask myself a question.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: Actually, I'm going to ask a question which has been
Speaker 4: troubling me. And uh it's troubled me because you know,
Speaker 4: we are in a a very dangerous and divided world.
Speaker 9: Who is a two I'm gonna ask a question, mister Paulia.
Speaker 8: Why not?
Speaker 9: We're in a dangerous and divided world.
Speaker 4: We talked earlier about the challenges in the Middle East,
Speaker 4: the threats from Iran, threats from Russia, Russia's aggression in Ukraine.
Speaker 9: We have the threats from.
Speaker 4: China, which I raised. We have the United States, which
Speaker 4: is fundamentally changing. It's security relationships, it's commercial relationships. We
Speaker 4: have all this, and in the context of that, every
Speaker 4: one on this stage, mister Blanche, mister Singh, myself, we
Speaker 4: have our top secret security clearance. We have our top
Speaker 4: secret security clearance. I got mine within three weeks. Wasn't
Speaker 4: heart but I felt it was important that I had
Speaker 4: it so I could be in a position to be
Speaker 4: informed about that dangerous world and take decisions.
Speaker 9: Act.
Speaker 4: And mister Poliev, it is now nine hundred and fifty days,
Speaker 4: if my numbers are right, Since you've had the opportunity
Speaker 4: to get your top secret security clearance and you've refused, why.
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I have got my security clearance
Speaker 5: when I was a minister. I got top secret clearance
Speaker 5: at the time, so there's no problem getting that. But
Speaker 5: when the government made this recent offer, they said that
Speaker 5: if I got the secret security security clearance briefings that
Speaker 5: I would be gagged under the security law and I
Speaker 5: could be prosecuted if I spoke freely about matters of
Speaker 5: foreign interference. Now, given that Canada has experienced Chinese interference
Speaker 5: by Beijing, the government of China, in two consecutive elections,
Speaker 5: I needed to do my job to speak freely without
Speaker 5: fear of prosecution, and that was not something I would
Speaker 5: be allowed to do. Even Thomas Smulkaerr, the former leader
Speaker 5: of the NDP, said that when he was the leader
Speaker 5: of the opposition, he never would have accepted the kind
Speaker 5: of a gag arter that your government and mister Trudeau's
Speaker 5: government was attempting to impose on me. And it's good
Speaker 5: that I'd made that decision because it has allowed me
Speaker 5: to speak freely about things like the case where one
Speaker 5: of your candidates, ser actually said that he wanted to
Speaker 5: send a political opponent to China under a bounty threatening
Speaker 5: his life or imprisonment, and you refused to get rid
Speaker 5: of him. Now, it might have something to do with
Speaker 5: the fact that you went to China not long ago
Speaker 5: to get a quarter billion dollar loan for your company,
Speaker 5: but the reality it is you refused to stand up
Speaker 5: for a Canadian who was being.
Speaker 9: Threatened by a foreign government.
Speaker 5: And I was able to speak freely on that matter
Speaker 5: because I refused the gag order that the Liberal government attempts.
Speaker 9: Let them responsible.
Speaker 4: Well, you know this a couple of interesting things. I
Speaker 4: think people at home have seen, you know, robust debate here,
Speaker 4: and it's been a robust campaign and it has not
Speaker 4: stopped mister Blanche or mister Seeing a time during his
Speaker 4: campaign by making challenges with respect to these issues. So
Speaker 4: one can address it, I will observe, as someone with
Speaker 4: the top secret security clearance that China is not the
Speaker 4: only country that is accused of foreign interference.
Speaker 3: And gentleman, that is to leave it a segment. That's
Speaker 3: our time now. Closing statements are still a f few
Speaker 3: minutes down the road, so we have a little bit
Speaker 3: of time for some quick hit Q. And as for
Speaker 3: each of you right now, short questions forty five seconds
Speaker 3: please on the answers, and we're going to go left
Speaker 3: to right. As I look at you right now, Miss Paullyev,
Speaker 3: you get the first question. To the best of my knowledge,
Speaker 3: you have not offered a hard timeline as the other
Speaker 3: parties have to meet Canada's NATO commitment of two percent
Speaker 3: spending on defense. When would you hit that target?
Speaker 9: Miaim will be to twenty thirty.
Speaker 5: That said, when we renegotiate our trade to deal with
Speaker 5: the US, I know it's their priority to see us
Speaker 5: increase our military budget. One of the things I will
Speaker 5: say to the Americans is the more free trade, tariff,
Speaker 5: free free trade we have, the faster we can rebuild
Speaker 5: our military in Canada and reassert our sovereignty. And we
Speaker 5: will use that money to have heavy ice breakers in
Speaker 5: the North, beside an aircraft fighter jets, a new base
Speaker 5: in the North, double the Arctic Rangers, fill the vacancies
Speaker 5: in the armed forces, and rebuild warrior spirit that characterized
Speaker 5: our military since the birth of our country. We will
Speaker 5: rebuild our forces and we will stand behind our veterans.
Speaker 3: Thank you, mister Poliev. Miss Carney, your question. You have
Speaker 3: cut both the consumer carbon tax and the capital gains
Speaker 3: tax increase that you inherited from your predecessor. Is that
Speaker 3: an admission that the Liberals made life less affordable for Canadians?
Speaker 4: I think the Let me give you the rationale behind
Speaker 4: both of those changes. First, with respect to the consumer
Speaker 4: carbon tax, in effect, it'd become too divisive for Canadians.
Speaker 4: Canadians received rebates on the whole, they received more than
Speaker 4: the tax actually was, but some had represented that it
Speaker 4: was a tax without a rebate. It became divisive, It
Speaker 4: didn't serve its purpose. It made a relatively modest contribution
Speaker 4: to overall climate goals. I got rid of it first
Speaker 4: Act made Canadians whole. Secondly, but with respect the capital
Speaker 4: gains taxes come up again.
Speaker 9: I'll be quick.
Speaker 4: This is a fundamental issue. We need to build this country. Builders, innovators,
Speaker 4: entrepreneurs need to be rewarded.
Speaker 9: That's why I brought it back.
Speaker 3: And that's time. Thank you, mister Singh. Would you change
Speaker 3: the existing cap on immigration?
Speaker 6: I've said that the level of immigration. First of all,
Speaker 6: we need immigration. It's fundamentally important to our country. And
Speaker 6: we speak to any small business owner, We speak to
Speaker 6: people here in Quebec, you speak to farmers.
Speaker 7: It's fundamentally important.
Speaker 6: A couple of things though, we know we need to
Speaker 6: be able to set the amount of folks that we
Speaker 6: welcome to our country at a level that it meets
Speaker 6: our needs. So I would ensure that we've got an
Speaker 6: expert panel that makes that determination based on our economic needs.
Speaker 6: We also know that we should be very clear that
Speaker 6: the lack of investment from liberals and conservatives resulted in
Speaker 6: the fact that we have a shortage in housing. That's
Speaker 6: something that we've got to fix. I should also point
Speaker 6: out that if you were worried about the cuts being
Speaker 6: proposed by Liberals and Conservatives, vote for new Democrats will
Speaker 6: fight back to protect Canadians and make sure that we've
Speaker 6: got the right immigration levels.
Speaker 3: Thank you mister saying that's time, mister Blouche. Quebec I
Speaker 3: believe is now the only province with a carbon tax.
Speaker 3: Do you think that's fair.
Speaker 8: It's not entirely true. It's not a tax. What Quebec
Speaker 8: as is a system by which we invite big, big
Speaker 8: emission companies I don't knowder to translate that to reduce
Speaker 8: their emissions. If they do not, then they have to pay.
Speaker 8: It goes into a fund which is invested then in
Speaker 8: reducing emissions. Our partner is California, which makes this a
Speaker 8: huge deal about reducing emissions. This is what we do.
Speaker 8: This is to be compared to what Europe does. And
Speaker 8: by the way, Europe would impost tariffs on Canadian oil
Speaker 8: if it ever got there. We're quite proud of that,
Speaker 8: and we have to be responsible because this is much
Speaker 8: less expensive than climate that's.
Speaker 3: Time We're going to do another set of quick hits
Speaker 3: here left to right again and thirty seconds this time,
Speaker 3: Mischie Pollie, if you've previously promised to defund the CBC
Speaker 3: as one of your very first acts as Prime minister,
Speaker 3: is that still the plan.
Speaker 5: Yes, CBC will continue to operate as a self funded,
Speaker 5: Canadian owned and controlled non for profit that raises money
Speaker 5: like other media organizations through sponsorships, subscriptions, advertising, licensing fees
Speaker 5: and countless other things that will ensure Canadians who still
Speaker 5: want to listen and view its content, we'll be able
Speaker 5: to do so, and at the same time will allow
Speaker 5: freedom of the press so that everybody has their voice
Speaker 5: heard and they can make their own decisions.
Speaker 3: Thank you, mister Carney. The next question to you thirty
Speaker 3: seconds would you remove some of Canada's legal tax avoidance
Speaker 3: loopholes that companies that you have worked for have used.
Speaker 4: Look, I think that what we need to do is
Speaker 4: undertake a comprehensive review of our corporate tax system and
Speaker 4: do that on the base of the right principles. We've
Speaker 4: got to have fairness, transparency, sustainability and competitiveness, so we
Speaker 4: need a tax system. A corporate tax system including being
Speaker 4: part of a international minimum corporate tax through the OECD.
Speaker 8: And that is time.
Speaker 3: Mister Sing. The question for you is, if you hold
Speaker 3: the balance of power after this election is over, what
Speaker 3: would your price be to support another party.
Speaker 7: We've laid out our priorities.
Speaker 6: We want to make sure we bring down the costs
Speaker 6: of groceries, built homes that people can afford. I can
Speaker 6: also tell you that we would defend CBC unlike mister
Speaker 6: Polyeffory wants to cut it, and we would close tax
Speaker 6: loopholes and offshore tax evens, even though mister Carney didn't
Speaker 6: respond to that. And selling stocks and shares to make
Speaker 6: profits and then having less taxes on that is not
Speaker 6: hard work and so those aren't the job creators. The
Speaker 6: people who are job creators are the hard working men
Speaker 6: and women that contribute to our economy.
Speaker 3: Thank you, mister Sing. Misie Bloche kind of the same question.
Speaker 3: If you hold the balance of power in the next
Speaker 3: minority parliament, if it is that, what would be the
Speaker 3: price of your support.
Speaker 8: Respect for Quebec. That's quite easy. I don't want to
Speaker 8: go against what Canada wants to do for itself, but
Speaker 8: I don't want Canada to impose an economic vision or
Speaker 8: a multiculturalist vision on Quebec which is different in terms
Speaker 8: of language and values and secularity and equality between people.
Speaker 8: So I want to be a partner, and if Quebec
Speaker 8: is respected, Canada has nothing to fear from the block
Speaker 8: because we vote for what is good for Quebec, it
Speaker 8: only has to be good for Quebec.
Speaker 3: Thank you, mister Blanche. Now we have one last question
Speaker 3: for each of you. Will go right to left this
Speaker 3: time as I look at you, a bit of an
Speaker 3: offbeat question, mister Blanchet, what is your biggest regret during
Speaker 3: this campaign?
Speaker 8: That's a very good question. I'm not very fond of regrets,
Speaker 8: I would say, but we should have started sooner to
Speaker 8: see that we had to create the environment and for
Speaker 8: a deal in which Quebec and Canada would be one
Speaker 8: bigger than the other, but partners to be stronger in
Speaker 8: front of mister Trump and showing that maybe nobody here
Speaker 8: is the partner to let go alone without being surveyed
Speaker 8: or controlled or supervised by a chemic voice.
Speaker 3: Thank you, mister Bloche. Same question, mister Singing, your biggest
Speaker 3: regret of this campaign.
Speaker 6: Not being able to meet as many people as I
Speaker 6: would love to have. It's a short campaign and so
Speaker 6: I can't get to as many communities that I wanted to.
Speaker 6: I think one of the honors of my job is
Speaker 6: to be able to meet people and to hear their stories,
Speaker 6: and then to take their stories and concerns and bring
Speaker 6: them to Ottawa and to fight for those people. And
Speaker 6: so I want you to know, even if having made
Speaker 6: it to your community, I'm going to fight like hell
Speaker 6: to make sure that you're represented, that we never let
Speaker 6: any government cut our healthcare, that we defend the values
Speaker 6: that we care so deeply about.
Speaker 7: We make my life more affordable.
Speaker 6: That's my commitment to you, even if I didn't get
Speaker 6: to see you, that's my commitment.
Speaker 3: Thank you, mister Singh, mister Kearney. Same question, biggest regret of.
Speaker 4: The campaign, I'm to be honest, it was. It's the
Speaker 4: same answer. This is an astonishing country. It is an
Speaker 4: amazing country, and the opportunity and the responsibility that comes
Speaker 4: with it of being with Canadians, hearing their stories, their challenges,
Speaker 4: drawing strength and ideas from them, and being working to
Speaker 4: be part of the solution is the greatest honor of
Speaker 4: my life.
Speaker 9: But the regret is that it is also a big
Speaker 9: country and it is a short period of time.
Speaker 3: Mister Paulieth, less word deal.
Speaker 5: I actually agree with these two gentlemen. I had a
Speaker 5: rule that at all my rallies, even when they're really big,
Speaker 5: I would stand in front of a flag and greet
Speaker 5: every single person and hear their stories and learn their struggles.
Speaker 5: And that was always touching to me that they would
Speaker 5: put their faith in me or in any of us.
Speaker 5: But we've been in such a rush because we have
Speaker 5: to get off to the next event, so we haven't
Speaker 5: been able to stop and do that. And I want
Speaker 5: you to know out there I haven't forgot about yet.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Mister Polyev. It is time now for closing statements, and
Speaker 3: prior to the debate you drew lots as to which
Speaker 3: order we would go in, and mister Singh, you get
Speaker 3: the first word on a closing statement.
Speaker 7: Certainly, thank you.
Speaker 6: Because you've voted for New Democrats, we were able to
Speaker 6: build this country that we love, universal health care and
Speaker 6: pensions because you voted for us. Because you voted for
Speaker 6: New Democrats, we were able to fight to bring in
Speaker 6: dental care, pharmacare, and childcare.
Speaker 7: Because you've voted for us.
Speaker 6: Because you supported us, you have the power with your
Speaker 6: vote to send more new Democrats to Ottawa to continue
Speaker 6: that fight to make sure that no government cuts the
Speaker 6: things that we hold dear, like our healthcare, to show
Speaker 6: that we can do everything possible to make life more
Speaker 6: affordable by making it more affordable to buy your groceries
Speaker 6: and to get a home. I'm asking for your support
Speaker 6: in this election so that i can continue to fight
Speaker 6: to defend the things that make Canada Canada, the things
Speaker 6: that we hold dear, the things that make us proud
Speaker 6: to be Canadian.
Speaker 3: Thank you, mister saying mister Carty.
Speaker 4: We are facing the biggest crisis of our lifetimes. Donald
Speaker 4: Trump is trying to fundamentally change the world economy, the
Speaker 4: trading system. But really what he's trying to do to Canada,
Speaker 4: he's trying to break us. So the US canonas they
Speaker 4: want our land, they want our resources, they want our water,
Speaker 4: they want our country. We're all going to stand up
Speaker 4: against Donald Trump.
Speaker 9: I'm ready.
Speaker 4: I've managed crisis over the years. I've built strong economies.
Speaker 4: We will fight back with counter terriffs. We will protect
Speaker 4: our workers in those businesses, and we will build the
Speaker 4: strongest economy. We will build Canada strong. I'm asking for
Speaker 4: your support the honor of doing so.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, mister Carney, Monsieur Blanche for.
Speaker 8: Two hundred and sixty years and a little bit more.
Speaker 8: Leave Francie new d Canezier d Canezien, Francis if nude
Speaker 8: the Quebequa. You have tried to have them become Canadians
Speaker 8: like all Canadians, but to no avail. We are different.
Speaker 8: So let's be economic partners. Let's have a voice chosen
Speaker 8: by and for Quebecers and a lie for Canadians as equals.
Speaker 8: In front of mister Trump.
Speaker 3: Monsieur Poiliev.
Speaker 5: Only in Canada could someone start where I began and
Speaker 5: get to the stage. I was born to a single
Speaker 5: mother and adopted by school teachers who raised me to
Speaker 5: believe in the incredible Canadian promise that anyone who worked
Speaker 5: hard could do anything. That promise feels broken today. Many
Speaker 5: of you worried about paying your bills, feeding your families wherever,
Speaker 5: even owning a home. You're worried your kids are in danger.
Speaker 5: But I'm here to say doesn't have to be this way.
Speaker 5: With change, we can restore the Canadian promise, so that
Speaker 5: hard work gets you a beautiful house on a safe
Speaker 5: street under a proud flag.
Speaker 9: We can do it with hope for a change.
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, thank you for a very spirited debate tonight. Two
Speaker 3: quick points before we go. Number One, one of you
Speaker 3: celebrated your sixtieth birthday yesterday on this stage here Francois
Speaker 3: Blanche Bonneni Versaergoon. Secondly, you'll notice we didn't have to
Speaker 3: change the time of this debate because the Leafs already
Speaker 3: clinched the Atlantic Division title, and therefore we didn't need
Speaker 3: to move the debate to accommodate a hockey game. I'm
Speaker 3: getting back at my colleague who was in this position
Speaker 3: last night, and okay, gohabs go, that's fine with that.
Speaker 3: We're done. Thank you leaders for being here tonight. We
Speaker 3: are just eleven days from election day April twenty eighth,
Speaker 3: but there are many ways that you can cast your
Speaker 3: ballots starting tomorrow at advance polls. If you intend to
Speaker 3: vote by mail, that deadline is April twenty second. Make
Speaker 3: sure to check your voter card for details or contact
Speaker 3: Elections Canada. This is your democratic right and we hope
Speaker 3: you use it. Thank you so much for being with
Speaker 3: us tonight. I'm Steve Paikin good night from Montreal.
Speaker 8: I thank you enjoying that.
Speaker 13: Let the need that s Yeah, I've got a question
Speaker 13: for alban easy question for Peter Dutton.
Speaker 6: I've got a question for both leaders.
Speaker 7: Prime Minister, what are you going to do to help
Speaker 7: my children own a home in the future? How will
Speaker 7: his government will support new businesses?
Speaker 2: So my question is when are you going to lower
Speaker 2: the cost of living for young people?
Speaker 12: Wanting to know how people can believe you about your
Speaker 12: energy policies.
Speaker 11: How are the federal government cardless solutions regarding health and
Speaker 11: education in Central Australia.
Speaker 8: Are you seriously going to hang on to your nuclear plan?
Speaker 11: How we can help the world to be a better
Speaker 11: place so that we can have a less war or
Speaker 11: even no war in this world.
Speaker 8: How are we going to move forward maintaining the democracy
Speaker 8: and the type of life that we have living in Australia.
Speaker 3: That's what you're going to do with the situation with
Speaker 3: Donald Trump and his charge.
Speaker 11: It's the halfway mark of the election campaign and tonight's
Speaker 11: the two men who want to run the country after
Speaker 11: May three face off. Live at a critical moment in
Speaker 11: this contest, Anthony Albanezi and Peter Dutton are running out
Speaker 11: of time to make their case. We've been listening to
Speaker 11: your questions and in the moment that's enhancewers. Welcome to
Speaker 11: the ABC News Leaders Debate. Good evening from the ABC's
Speaker 11: new Paramatta Studios in Sydney's West.
Speaker 9: It's terrific to have your company.
Speaker 11: I'm your moderator David Spears, and you've just heard from
Speaker 11: some of the Australians whose voices have helped inform me
Speaker 11: as I've prepared for tonight's debate. My goal is to
Speaker 11: help you understand the plan these two leaders have for
Speaker 11: Australia's future. Because we meet tonight at a time of
Speaker 11: great global uncertainty. Who has the vision to help chart
Speaker 11: a course through these tumultuous times We're about to find out.
Speaker 11: So let's get started. I want to welcome to the
Speaker 11: studio Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi and Opposition leader Eater Duck. Gentlemen, No,
Speaker 11: good evening. Thank you both very much for joining us tonight.
Speaker 11: Let's just start with some rules of engagement. You'll both
Speaker 11: have sixty seconds for your opening statements, and then at
Speaker 11: the end sixty seconds for your closing statements.
Speaker 8: Beyond that, I.
Speaker 11: Don't really want to be running a stopwatch on every
Speaker 11: word that's spoken tonight. We do want to have a genuine,
Speaker 11: free flowing debate. My goal is to try and make
Speaker 11: sure you both have equal time. We also want this
Speaker 11: to be a productive conversation that does help Australians better
Speaker 11: understand your competing visions, not just an opportunity to attack
Speaker 11: one another. Mister Dutton, you won the coin toss and
Speaker 11: will speak first over to you.
Speaker 12: Well, David, thank you very much. Firstly, thank you to
Speaker 12: the ABC for hosting tonight, thank you Anthony for being here,
Speaker 12: and thank you to every Australian who's taking an interest
Speaker 12: in what I think is an incredibly important election. As
Speaker 12: we approach the third of May, many Australians will be
Speaker 12: asking themselves are you better off today than you were
Speaker 12: three years ago? And as I've moved around the country
Speaker 12: and spoken to literally thousands of Australians, young families, pensioners,
Speaker 12: people in small businesses, it's been obvious to me that
Speaker 12: people don't feel better off. People have faced an existential
Speaker 12: cost of living crisis, people have seen food prices go up,
Speaker 12: by thirty percent. Their mortgages have gone up on twelve occasions.
Speaker 12: And our plan is to get our country back on track,
Speaker 12: to make sure that we can help young Australians realize
Speaker 12: the dream of home ownership again, to make sure that
Speaker 12: we can help manage the economy so that we can
Speaker 12: get inflation down and if we do that, that will
Speaker 12: lower interest rates. We want to help people with the
Speaker 12: cost of living crisis. We want to make sure that
Speaker 12: we can give twelve hundred dollars back to Australians, money
Speaker 12: that they've worked hard for and reduced their petrol price
Speaker 12: by twenty five cents a lead, mister Raben easy, you're
Speaker 12: opening statement.
Speaker 14: Well, thanks very much, David, and thanks to the ABC,
Speaker 14: and thanks Peter for agreeing to a second debate. I'm
Speaker 14: really optimistic about Australia's future if we seize the opportunities
Speaker 14: that are right in front of us because of the
Speaker 14: hard work that Australians have done over the last three years,
Speaker 14: or we're turning the corner. We have inflation that's down,
Speaker 14: we have real wages that are up, we have unemployment
Speaker 14: that's very low at just four point one percent, and
Speaker 14: interest rates have started a fall they started to rise
Speaker 14: before the last election, but we know that there's much
Speaker 14: more work to do, and that's why we have a plan,
Speaker 14: A plan to cut taxes, not raise them, a plan
Speaker 14: to make sure that we make things here in Australia
Speaker 14: through our future Made in Australia plan. Strengthening medicare through
Speaker 14: more urgent care clinics, lifting the bulk billing rates, having
Speaker 14: cheaper medicines, making sure we cut twenty percent off everyone's
Speaker 14: tech stats and give free tafe to provide opportunities. And
Speaker 14: a five percent deposit is what you'll need for first
Speaker 14: home bias. We know we live in difficult times, but
Speaker 14: I am very confident that with the right leadership, we
Speaker 14: can see it through. I want to trust the Australian people,
Speaker 14: I want to back our values, and I want to
Speaker 14: build Australia's future.
Speaker 11: Thank you both for those opening statements. Now, housing is
Speaker 11: where I'd like to begin. It's one of the biggest
Speaker 11: issues that voters have been raising. And look, you both
Speaker 11: have put forward ideas in the past few days that
Speaker 11: we'll see more homes built, boost supply, but you've also
Speaker 11: put forward ideas that a lot of experts and economists
Speaker 11: are warning will only push up prices even more. So
Speaker 11: my question to you both is can you honestly say
Speaker 11: that your plans will make housing any more affordable in
Speaker 11: five or ten years or will they simply keep pushing
Speaker 11: prices higher. Mister Albenezik, Yes we can because we have
Speaker 11: a plan not just for demand, but for supply as well.
Speaker 11: A plan through the Building Australia Future Fund to build
Speaker 11: more public housing, a plan as well for private rentals
Speaker 11: to get increased supply there through our Build to Rent scheme,
Speaker 11: a plan as well to get first home owners, to
Speaker 11: give them a fair crack, particularly young people. Now, a
Speaker 11: five percent deposit rather than twenty will mean that instead
Speaker 11: of paying off someone else's mortgage, they can pay off
Speaker 11: their own mortgage, and that is important going forward. That
Speaker 11: will lose demand, won't it. Can't you just do the
Speaker 11: supply things. Why do you need to push up demand?
Speaker 15: Well, we need to do both.
Speaker 14: We need to give people a fair crack, particularly young people.
Speaker 14: But we have a comprehensive forty three billion dollar Homes
Speaker 14: through Australia plan making sure whether it's about increased social housing,
Speaker 14: increase private rentals or increased home ownership as well throughout
Speaker 14: help to buy a scheme that will all assist. The key,
Speaker 14: of course is supply and that's why only Labor is
Speaker 14: offering a plan at this election to increase supply of housing.
Speaker 11: Mister Dutton, you have plans to let first home buyers
Speaker 11: take up to fifty thousand dollars out of their superannuation
Speaker 11: to buy a home. That will push up house prices,
Speaker 11: won't it.
Speaker 12: Well, David, Firstly, I think it's important to understand why
Speaker 12: do we find ourselves in this position as a country.
Speaker 12: Over the last two years, the government's brought in a
Speaker 12: million people, all of whom want homes, and all of
Speaker 12: whom are competing against young Australians for that rental property
Speaker 12: or to purchase a home. That's a million people, which
Speaker 12: is seventy percent higher than any two year period in
Speaker 12: our country's history. So the demand that the Prime ministers
Speaker 12: generated has really created a housing crisis. At the same time,
Speaker 12: you've had the CFMAU and others who have choked supply
Speaker 12: so stopped houses from being built. And it's been this
Speaker 12: perfect storm which every Australian understands.
Speaker 11: The question about your plans that will boost demand even more.
Speaker 10: We have five elements to our plan.
Speaker 12: The first element is a five billion dollar fund where
Speaker 12: we work with councils and we identify where they've got
Speaker 12: land releases that are being stalled at the moment simply
Speaker 12: because they just can't afford the sewerage or the water
Speaker 12: or the road upgrade. So that will bring on five
Speaker 12: hundred thousand new home lots. That is on the supply side,
Speaker 12: a very significant benefit. The second part is that we
Speaker 12: reduce migration by twenty five percent so that we can
Speaker 12: allow the housing stock to be built up again. And
Speaker 12: by doing that, as well as stopping foreigners for two
Speaker 12: years from purchasing Australian homes, we give Australian young Australians
Speaker 12: a go. The next part of our plan, which I
Speaker 12: think is incredibly important, is to make sure that we
Speaker 12: can say to young Australians who are locked out of
Speaker 12: the housing market under the government at the moment that
Speaker 12: for the first six hundred and fifty thousand dollars of
Speaker 12: your mortgage that will be interested you can claim against
Speaker 12: your income. So for an average couple that will be
Speaker 12: about eleven or twelve thousand dollars a year over five years.
Speaker 11: It'll be a lot more for high income earners won't
Speaker 11: it than low income earners. This is regressive. It helps
Speaker 11: wealthier investors.
Speaker 12: It provides for an average taxpayer about eleven or twelve
Speaker 12: thousand dollars a year, which is one thousand dollars a month,
Speaker 12: which for it.
Speaker 11: Serves two more on high incomes.
Speaker 10: Well, it serves two purposes.
Speaker 12: One is when you go to the bank, you've got
Speaker 12: a higher level of disposable income, so you're more likely
Speaker 12: to get the loan. Secondly, it helps you service alone, David.
Speaker 12: In our country at the moment, there are young Australians
Speaker 12: who are putting off having kids, and there are parents
Speaker 12: and grandparents who are staying in the workforce longer because
Speaker 12: even though they've worked hard and save for their own retirement,
Speaker 12: they can't afford to retire because they're having to chip
Speaker 12: in for their kids or grandkids to help pay the mortgage.
Speaker 11: Look, neither of you seem willing to touch the negative
Speaker 11: gearing or capital gains tax breaks at this election. You've
Speaker 11: both been property investors over the years. Can you understand
Speaker 11: younger Australians locked out of the market that it is
Speaker 11: people like you who are to blame for the fact
Speaker 11: the systems rigged against them, mister Albinez, Well.
Speaker 14: Could I make this point David Peter's suggestion that this
Speaker 14: has been a problem that's developed in the last two
Speaker 14: years as a nonsense and everyone watching this program knows
Speaker 14: that this has been developing for a long period of time.
Speaker 14: We have not had enough homes being built, and indeed
Speaker 14: the former government didn't bother to have a housing minister
Speaker 14: for half the time they were in office. What we've
Speaker 14: done since we came to office is looked towards the
Speaker 14: big issue, which is supply.
Speaker 11: But can I ask you to come to the question
Speaker 11: which is about the tax breaks for investors, negative gearing
Speaker 11: and the capital gains tax discount. Why an't you willing
Speaker 11: to touch those?
Speaker 14: Because the experts say that what that potentially would do
Speaker 14: is diminished supply, not increase it. And that's why the
Speaker 14: key to fixing the housing issues is supply. That's why
Speaker 14: Peter speaks about his infrastructure plan. We've already announced and
Speaker 14: are rolling out two rounds of our Housing Infrastructure Fund
Speaker 14: doing exactly that, making sure that sewerage and energy and
Speaker 14: all of that is fixed up, and where as well
Speaker 14: are working with states and territories to increase density where
Speaker 14: it's appropriate to make sure more homes can be built.
Speaker 11: Back to the tax treatment of housing investment, Mister Dutton,
Speaker 11: do you have any problem with investors using tax breaks
Speaker 11: to buy multiple properties four five, six properties?
Speaker 10: Let me come to that.
Speaker 12: And your government has modeled negative gearing changes NCGT changes.
Speaker 12: The Treasurer has done that.
Speaker 8: That's not right.
Speaker 11: Well, it is a public service.
Speaker 14: Well under our public service, we actually value the public
Speaker 14: service and we value them coming up with the ideas
Speaker 14: and doing assessments.
Speaker 15: That's what's happened. I have been very clear.
Speaker 14: I have been very clear about what our position is
Speaker 14: and why that is the case. Was it modeled It
Speaker 14: certainly wasn't commissioned by us to do so.
Speaker 10: It was modeled by the government.
Speaker 12: It was publicly it's publicly available that this Prime Minister
Speaker 12: has a problem with the truth. And it's not just
Speaker 12: in relation to this debate. There are many aspects that
Speaker 12: you could pick up during the course of this campaign.
Speaker 11: The printers question David Meister's multiple properties, all these tax breaks,
Speaker 11: no problem with that.
Speaker 12: I have stated very clearly that we want a sustainable
Speaker 12: housing market which includes rental stock. Now, if you want
Speaker 12: to cut out negative gearing, as the Labor Party in
Speaker 12: the Greens would love to do. You will stop investment
Speaker 12: taking place for properties which ultimately are rented by young Australians.
Speaker 12: Now all of us started out renting somewhere and the
Speaker 12: dream was to buy a home, and for young Australians.
Speaker 10: They've lost that dream.
Speaker 11: No need for any limits on.
Speaker 12: If we stop negative gearing, we will drive up the
Speaker 12: cost of rents. Rents are already up by eighteen percent
Speaker 12: under this government. So I want to make sure that
Speaker 12: we've got an investment class, which is an asset class
Speaker 12: which is able to be invested in. The Greens, who
Speaker 12: likely could form a minority government with the Prime Minister
Speaker 12: if he's successful at this election, they have as a
Speaker 12: stated policy that they want to abolish negative fury.
Speaker 11: We talked about rest. Now, rent in capital cities has
Speaker 11: gone up a lot more than incomes over the last
Speaker 11: few years since COVID, about five times more than incomes
Speaker 11: have gone up. Many renters have been contacting us raising
Speaker 11: concerns about what's in this election for them. They can't
Speaker 11: afford a crippling mortgage in Sydney or Melbourne. Are either
Speaker 11: of you willing to give rents more rights. One of
Speaker 11: their concerns is the instability they face. They can only
Speaker 11: get a twelve month tenancy. In other countries you can
Speaker 11: get a lot more than that. Mister Dutton, would you
Speaker 11: be willing to put some pressure on the States to
Speaker 11: give renters more certainty longer term rentals. Well, David, as
Speaker 11: you point out, it's an issue for the States, So
Speaker 11: there's different regimes that operate. There's a leadership role here
Speaker 11: the States.
Speaker 12: But in terms of trying to find out balance and
Speaker 12: protect the rights of renters and the rights of landlords, yes,
Speaker 12: I mean you want a sensible position adopted. You want
Speaker 12: so you'd support longer rentals a bit to support sensible reforms,
Speaker 12: But as you point out, it's a matter for the States.
Speaker 12: The focus, I think in this election is on who
Speaker 12: is best able to fix the housing crisis that the
Speaker 12: government's created. Our policy is to provide support to young people. Yes,
Speaker 12: to allow them access to super put that money back
Speaker 12: into SUPER when they sell the house, but it gets
Speaker 12: them into the property market to start with. If we
Speaker 12: do that, we can increase their overall net position. And
Speaker 12: as people age and they pay off their mortgage and
Speaker 12: they go into retirement, they're in a much stronger position
Speaker 12: if they're going into retirement and their mortgage is paid
Speaker 12: down or paid off completely and they've lost hope of
Speaker 12: that under discovery.
Speaker 11: The same question to you, mister Alberanezy, would you put
Speaker 11: pressure on the states to give renters more certainty?
Speaker 3: Well, we've delivered it.
Speaker 14: We're delivered a render's rights program in agreement with states
Speaker 14: and territories, so they've improved the rights of people who
Speaker 14: are renting. In addition to that, we've increased maximum rendal
Speaker 14: assistance by forty five percent in this term. And in
Speaker 14: addition to that. In addition to that, Peter has just
Speaker 14: raised the issue of super. If you give everyone super
Speaker 14: access to up to fifty thousand dollars and everyone at
Speaker 14: the auction will just have fifty thousand dollars more, it
Speaker 14: will just bit up prices as it did in New Zealand.
Speaker 14: It again does nothing for supply. What we have is
Speaker 14: a reservation of one hundred thousand homes, just four first
Speaker 14: home buyers that will give them an opportunity because they
Speaker 14: won't be competing with investors. And we see that working
Speaker 14: effectively in South Australia right now. And we went to
Speaker 14: a place on Monday. One hundred and ten townhouses being built.
Speaker 14: Forty of them will be just four first home owner.
Speaker 11: I want to move on because you've talked about your
Speaker 11: plans in housing. This is just part of the spending
Speaker 11: plans that you're taking to the people at this election.
Speaker 11: But we do have all this spending despite the fact
Speaker 11: that we're in deficit. I want to show you this.
Speaker 11: This is spending versus revenue over the last fifty years,
Speaker 11: so it covers both sides of politics, and spending has
Speaker 11: continued to remain above revenue, which is the bottom line
Speaker 11: there in Orange. For most of that last fifteen years.
Speaker 11: We had a couple of years of surplus. The big
Speaker 11: spike there is the big spending spike during COVID and
Speaker 11: then after that you can see that we've gone back
Speaker 11: to a situation where spending is going to remain higher
Speaker 11: than revenue for years to come. Over the forward estimates.
Speaker 11: It's younger Australians will ultimately have to pay for the debt. Here,
Speaker 11: mister Albanezi, what do you say to them, where's the
Speaker 11: money going to come from?
Speaker 14: I say to them that we are the only government
Speaker 14: in the last twenty years that have produced consecutive budget surpluses,
Speaker 14: and we've harved the deficit this year as a direct
Speaker 14: result of the responsible economic management that we have. Then,
Speaker 14: debt is one hundred and seventy seven billion dollars less.
Speaker 14: We have improved the bottom line by two hundred and
Speaker 14: seven billion dollars since we came to office. That means
Speaker 14: paying off sixty billion dollars less in interest payments as
Speaker 14: a direct result of the diffult decisions that we've made.
Speaker 14: Getting inflation down to two point four percent had a
Speaker 14: six in front of it when we're elected. So we
Speaker 14: have been very careful finding savings ninety five billion dollars.
Speaker 11: And yet your spending continues to be higher than your
Speaker 11: revenues right for the foreseeable future, for the next four
Speaker 11: or even ten years. And at this election, you are
Speaker 11: offering spending that goes to high income owners. Things like
Speaker 11: the energy rebate, the battery rebate, the tax cut, the
Speaker 11: wiping HEX debt, the first home buyer incentive, none of
Speaker 11: its means tested.
Speaker 14: Why not measures like the HEX deet take for example,
Speaker 14: that's opposed by the coalition. The HEX debt is about
Speaker 14: intergenerational equity. We spoke before about young people I think
Speaker 14: young people deserve a fair crack and issues like taking
Speaker 14: twenty percent of everyone's tax stet free TAFE, but six thousand.
Speaker 11: Means testing these things. Why to high income people when
Speaker 11: we're in deficit, Why to high in commanders get this stuff?
Speaker 14: Well, David, if you get sick or I get sick,
Speaker 14: we can get access to medicare and access to a
Speaker 14: public hospital. Every child, Peter's or mine will get access
Speaker 14: to a public education of public.
Speaker 11: The rebates and so on that you're offering at this election,
Speaker 11: the high in coommerners.
Speaker 14: Energy rebates, if you had two choices because of the
Speaker 14: way that it's being delivered through the energy companies, you'll
Speaker 14: either give it to everyone or you just give it
Speaker 14: to concession cardholders. We understand that a whole lot of
Speaker 14: working people need that assistance in cost of living, and
Speaker 14: that's why this is our third increase in energy rebates
Speaker 14: that we're put forward.
Speaker 15: And that's why we've done it.
Speaker 11: Mister Duttan, you've made a lot of big spending promises
Speaker 11: in this campaign too, and you're talking up even more
Speaker 11: to come on defense. Are your cuts to the public
Speaker 11: service going to be enough to cover it all?
Speaker 10: Well, David, A couple of things.
Speaker 12: I've what the Prime Minister hasn't mentioned there is that
Speaker 12: most of the outcomes that he's talking about are because
Speaker 12: of variations in commodity prices, not because of decisions the
Speaker 12: government's made or the growth that they've put into the economy.
Speaker 12: That's just not the reality, and I think the Prime
Speaker 12: Minister constantly telling people that they're much better off now
Speaker 12: just defies the reality in their own lives. There are
Speaker 12: thirty thousand small businesses which have gone bankrupt over the
Speaker 12: course of the last three years, a record number in
Speaker 12: our country's history. Over the last twelve months, households have
Speaker 12: been in a recession for seven consecutive quarters, almost two years.
Speaker 11: Let's come back to it. So we need to make
Speaker 11: sure your cuts to the public service going to cover
Speaker 11: all of your spending in this election.
Speaker 12: The short answer is no, we're not going to achieve
Speaker 12: all of the savings that we need to achieve through
Speaker 12: our changes to the public service. But what you want
Speaker 12: to save is it seven million dollars a year through
Speaker 12: savings in the public service.
Speaker 10: I've just finished this point, David.
Speaker 12: I mean, what we've done in relation to our twenty
Speaker 12: five per cent a leter cut for fuel excise that
Speaker 12: happens from day one. It helps pensioners, it helps delivery
Speaker 12: truck drive, it helps families. It's an economy wide benefit
Speaker 12: and it brings down the cost of doing business and
Speaker 12: the costs across the community which are ballooning under this government.
Speaker 12: So that is a one off hit to the budget
Speaker 12: of about six billion dollars. It's not a recurrent or
Speaker 12: a structural spend in the budget. This is the important point.
Speaker 12: It's exactly what we did over the course of COVID
Speaker 12: where job seecret and job keeper were changed to provide
Speaker 12: a response to COVID. At the time, we didn't legislate
Speaker 12: and put that into every budget going forward, so it
Speaker 12: went off.
Speaker 11: So that just happened to coincide with an election.
Speaker 12: My question, though, they happen to coincide with the fact
Speaker 12: that families are doing it tough, and there are many
Speaker 12: families at the moment right across the country we've spoken
Speaker 12: to that I can't afford to pay their bills.
Speaker 11: On your public service cuts, it's seven billion dollars a year.
Speaker 11: You haven't yet said where those cuts will occur. Can
Speaker 11: you tell us tonight at least one area of the
Speaker 11: public service you had cut.
Speaker 12: Well, David, there's been a three fold increase in the
Speaker 12: expansion of the public service compared to the rogular years.
Speaker 12: We have the highest per capita rate of public servants
Speaker 12: in the world. And our argument is that if you've
Speaker 12: got families at the moment who are working their guts out,
Speaker 12: working second third jobs, paying tax I want to make
Speaker 12: sure that that taxpayer dollar is being spent efficiently. And
Speaker 12: my argument is that where you bloon the public service
Speaker 12: in Canberra, that is not an efficient use of taxpayers.
Speaker 11: Be having trouble saying where you would cut, You've said
Speaker 11: a lot of areas where you won't. What about foreign
Speaker 11: aid when you cut foreign aid?
Speaker 12: We've said in relation to the public service that we
Speaker 12: will protect frontline positions, which I think is important, incredibly important,
Speaker 12: and we've an outmore funding for GPS into general practice
Speaker 12: and there are many other areas when you get so
Speaker 12: this is a question where we find inefficiency data and
Speaker 12: there's not something you can do from opposition to redesign
Speaker 12: the public service in the way in which that structure. Well,
Speaker 12: we haven't made any announcements in relation to foreign aid,
Speaker 12: and there's a lot of good that we're doing in
Speaker 12: foreign aid, and the principle that we've had, like any
Speaker 12: good liberal government, like John Howard when it came out
Speaker 12: in ninety six after Keating had done so much damage.
Speaker 12: We will make sure that we're spending taxpayers money efficiently,
Speaker 12: and whatever we can give back, we will, which is
Speaker 12: why we've said that to deal with the crisis that
Speaker 12: Anthony's created in everybody's budget at the moment, we'll give
Speaker 12: back twelve hundred dollars of people's tax that they've paid
Speaker 12: by way of cuts, which will which will help.
Speaker 11: We've heard about spending just quickly.
Speaker 14: That's before they get to the six hundred billion dollars
Speaker 14: they need for their nuclear reactors.
Speaker 8: I mean, there you go.
Speaker 10: It looks like it's true.
Speaker 14: There are agreements that they have. Well, he won't say
Speaker 14: where the cuts will be. It's both for me and
Speaker 14: just trust us. We'll tell you after the election. Well,
Speaker 14: we know what happened last time the cuts came to health,
Speaker 14: they came to education. Fifty billion dollars out of hospitals,
Speaker 14: thirty billion dollars out of schools. That's why a decade later,
Speaker 14: we're still trying to fix and repair the damage that
Speaker 14: was done by that twenty fourteen budget.
Speaker 11: Let me ask you both a question here. A lot
Speaker 11: of people say, where's the serious reform keeping floating the
Speaker 11: dollar Howard's gst, Mister Albanezi, what's the one big change
Speaker 11: you'd like to be remembered for.
Speaker 14: Affordable childcare is one of the things that we're doing.
Speaker 14: We've already put measures in place, including in this term
Speaker 14: we'll get rid of the activity test, a three day
Speaker 14: guarantee for childcare, boosting infrastructure for childcare.
Speaker 15: We want the universal provision of affordable.
Speaker 14: Childcare so that it is as a natural to have
Speaker 14: your child have access to childcare as it is to
Speaker 14: have access to old public what's your one big reform?
Speaker 12: Well, energy is the economy, David. Everything we use, everything
Speaker 12: around us is either running or has been created because
Speaker 12: of the use of energy, farming.
Speaker 10: Fertilizer, cold storage.
Speaker 12: Everything that we rely on in our society, in a
Speaker 12: modern society like OS, relies on energy. And what we've
Speaker 12: said is that we want to create an East Coast
Speaker 12: gas reserve, so that will bring gas that we're exporting
Speaker 12: at the moment beyond the foundation contracts back into the
Speaker 12: domestic market. If we do that that increases supply, It
Speaker 12: addresses Labour's disastrous energy policy, and it will help bring
Speaker 12: the pressure cost pressures down across society. It, by the
Speaker 12: independent analysis, reduces the cost of wholesale gas by twenty
Speaker 12: three percent. That is a structural change in the economy.
Speaker 12: We go beyond that, of course, as you know, to
Speaker 12: deal with what firms up the renewables as we go forward,
Speaker 12: which is a vision that Bob Hark had for our country,
Speaker 12: that John Howard shared and that I certainly strongly believe in.
Speaker 12: And that is a zero emissions nuclear technology embraced by
Speaker 12: the Labor Party in the United Kingdom, It's embraced by
Speaker 12: the French, by many other countries around the world. In fact,
Speaker 12: Australia is the only one of the top twenty economies
Speaker 12: that hasn't signed up to or isn't already using.
Speaker 7: Well is that nuclear?
Speaker 11: Just to check the reality on that, there are some
Speaker 11: other G twenty economies that don't have nuclear.
Speaker 10: Well the is one.
Speaker 12: I think that the ABC side before and you've seen
Speaker 12: the comments from the Indonesian president that they.
Speaker 10: Are fully on board with nuclear.
Speaker 12: If you have a look at what's happening in the UK,
Speaker 12: Kiyas Starmer says the Labor Prime minister there says that
Speaker 12: they can't achieve their net zero by twenty fifty targets
Speaker 12: without the use of nuclear I just want to come
Speaker 12: to this point, David, because it's a substantial one. In
Speaker 12: relation to this six hundred billion dollar figure at the
Speaker 12: Prime Minister, we'll Keith thrattling out, which is completely and
Speaker 12: utterly uncrue.
Speaker 11: You have a different figure.
Speaker 8: I get it.
Speaker 11: I think mister, it's only contesting. The top twenty economies
Speaker 11: are all using you.
Speaker 14: I'm a friend of Kiirs Starmer, and what Kiirs Starma
Speaker 14: is having to deal with is the blowout in the
Speaker 14: costs of the Hinckley nuclear plant. It's now up to
Speaker 14: ninety billion dollars for one plant. It is coming in
Speaker 14: fourteen years late, and it's been built in a country
Speaker 14: that does have a nuclear industry. It's being built by
Speaker 14: the world's largest nuclear energy company from France. That shows
Speaker 14: exactly the problem. And Kiirs Starmer wishes, as do so
Speaker 14: many people, that they had the access with the solar resources,
Speaker 14: with the wind resources, with the space that we have
Speaker 14: here in Australia. Tab renewables back by gas backed by
Speaker 14: hydro and back by batteries.
Speaker 15: So that's the future.
Speaker 11: So nuclear clearly is one of the big differences on
Speaker 11: the table at this election, and a lot of people
Speaker 11: want more detail about your plans, mister Dalton. One of
Speaker 11: the concerns is water. Nuclear power needs a lot more
Speaker 11: water than coal fired power. Where will the water come from?
Speaker 12: Well, David, there are already water allocations to each of
Speaker 12: the seven sites that we've located. So coal fire generation
Speaker 12: uses a lot of water. Now you need more for
Speaker 12: you We've looked at the water allocation for each of
Speaker 12: those sites.
Speaker 11: I don't think you need any more of that.
Speaker 12: We're comfortable with the analysis that we've done. But just
Speaker 12: just to put this into perspective, So Frontier Economics is
Speaker 12: the most pre eminent economist on energy in this country
Speaker 12: used by the Labor Party, says, and this hasn't been
Speaker 12: questioned or hasn't been disputed by Cris Bowl or Anthony
Speaker 12: Alberanesi or Jim Charmers.
Speaker 10: The independent analysis says.
Speaker 12: That our model, our energy model which includes nuclear out
Speaker 12: to twenty fifty, costs three hundred and thirty one billion dollars.
Speaker 12: It is two hundred and sixty three billion less. Well,
Speaker 12: just let me finish this point, two hundred and sixty
Speaker 12: three billion less than the government's own model. So that
Speaker 12: makes the government's model roughly six hundred billion. Where's that
Speaker 12: coming from? The Prime Minister is signed up to a
Speaker 12: nuclear industry because we have thirty kilometers from here Lucas Heights,
Speaker 12: which is a reactor and it deals with nuclear can
Speaker 12: we also obviously have the orchestyre.
Speaker 11: You have competing costs. But just to be clear, you're
Speaker 11: saying no additional water is required. All those experts who
Speaker 11: say you'd need more for nuclear, well.
Speaker 10: A couple of points. I mean, we could spend all
Speaker 10: night on what I think is really improve.
Speaker 12: Yes, but but there are different depending on the small
Speaker 12: modular reactor as well, and obviously the size of the actor.
Speaker 12: As to as to the amount of water that's required of.
Speaker 11: The large reactor. Is you're talking and you've got one
Speaker 11: plan for Cali one fit's wrong. They'd be large nuclear reactors.
Speaker 12: We have looked at each of the sites and we've
Speaker 12: done the analysis on the water allocations that are there.
Speaker 11: Now are you saying they'd be small modular reacting.
Speaker 12: I'm saying that there is a mixers we've said, which
Speaker 12: starts in twenty thirty five to thirty seven. Now the
Speaker 12: Prime Minister whispers out the side of his mouth that
Speaker 12: nuclear is not safe. He signed us, he signed up
Speaker 12: to nuclear power for our sub mariners, and the Prime
Speaker 12: Minister again, it's another example of just complete this honesty
Speaker 12: in a debate, which I think is worth having between adults.
Speaker 11: I'm just trying to get you one clarity on your
Speaker 11: plans here, mister Dutton, just a moment. If local communities,
Speaker 11: be they local farmers or local communities where you've ear
Speaker 11: marked these nuclear plans to go, they say no, and
Speaker 11: if the state government say no, which in Queensland the
Speaker 11: LNP government isn't on board, what happens? Do you override them?
Speaker 12: Well, David, the comweth obviously has powers and we can
Speaker 12: exercise those powers if need be, but we can work
Speaker 12: with the state governments.
Speaker 10: In South Australia.
Speaker 12: The South Australian Premier has been very clear of his
Speaker 12: support for nuclear as many figures within the Union movement
Speaker 12: and in the Labor Party have as well. So we
Speaker 12: you don't override them, well, will work to find can
Speaker 12: census is commonwealth? If we can't find consensus, then we'll
Speaker 12: do what's in our country's best interests. The Prime Minister
Speaker 12: conveniently in his talk to the Prime Minister well, he
Speaker 12: dropped out the word green hydrogen.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 12: This used to be the underpinning the base load requirement,
Speaker 12: which now of course not a commercial reality. So in
Speaker 12: terms of timing, I think the PM's plan has unraveled somewhere.
Speaker 11: Let me ask you, mister Albineze, about your plan. There
Speaker 11: are local concerns too about some elements of the renewables
Speaker 11: roll out, particularly offshore wind in places like the Hunter
Speaker 11: in New South Wales. What do you say to those
Speaker 11: locals and those local community concerns you overriding them as well?
Speaker 14: Well, that's why you need proper community consultation and environmental approvals.
Speaker 15: Some of the concern is not real. Whales are being.
Speaker 14: Unable to steer their way around in the vast specific
Speaker 14: ocean around a wind tower is not right. They've been
Speaker 14: extended further out as a result of that community consultation process.
Speaker 15: But can I make this point, David, that Peter.
Speaker 14: Won't say the fact every every every, every single state
Speaker 14: and territory government none of them will support it, Not
Speaker 14: just the l and p the Liberal Party here in
Speaker 14: New South Wales, the Liberal Party in Victoria don't support it.
Speaker 15: But that's not what's important. The most important thing is
Speaker 15: the private sector won't back it.
Speaker 11: That's why it has to be your plans now, mister Abenezy,
Speaker 11: you and Chris Bowen keep saying that renewables are the
Speaker 11: cheapest form of power. When will we see our power
Speaker 11: bills come down?
Speaker 14: They are Well, what we know is that renewables are
Speaker 14: the cheapest form of power, not because of what we say,
Speaker 14: but because of what the Australian Energy Market operator says
Speaker 14: come down and what and what the market is delivering. See,
Speaker 14: Peter has to have government state taxpayer funded. We stick
Speaker 14: with your taxpayer funded, taxpayer funded proposals.
Speaker 15: What we're dealing with here.
Speaker 14: During the former government, twenty four out of twenty eight
Speaker 14: coal fire power stations announce their closure. We need to
Speaker 14: get supply and certainty in energy security. We can't wait
Speaker 14: till the twenty forties a nuclear and.
Speaker 11: Just stick with your plan, mister Albinezi. When will the
Speaker 11: bills come.
Speaker 15: Down under our plan?
Speaker 14: We know that renewables are the cheapest form of power
Speaker 14: and that is why we are doing that rolling it out,
Speaker 14: including through gas. Peterraet's gas gas is now thirteen dollars.
Speaker 14: It was thirty dollars and when we came off, thirteen
Speaker 14: is cheaper than thirty.
Speaker 11: When do we see the bills come down?
Speaker 14: Well, what we need to do is to roll out renewables,
Speaker 14: make sure there's energy security, make sure it's backed up
Speaker 14: by batteries, by hydro and by gas. That is what
Speaker 14: all of the private sector is backing and investing in,
Speaker 14: not using taxpayers money to fund something that they never
Speaker 14: put forward time they are in ours. Meanwhile, coal fire powerstations,
Speaker 14: including the one in Callide at the moment, which is
Speaker 14: one of these NECRO sites, is broken down and isn't
Speaker 14: in operation.
Speaker 11: Well, some states are extending the life of these cold
Speaker 11: fired powerstations.
Speaker 14: That is, that is what is causing the increase in
Speaker 14: prices is because of the uncertainty created.
Speaker 11: By saying they shouldn't be doing it.
Speaker 14: No, they need to ensure energy security. But what shouldn't
Speaker 14: have happened was twenty four out of twenty eight coal
Speaker 14: fire power stations announced their closure and no support for
Speaker 14: energy security. Let me during that time, and we can't
Speaker 14: afford to wait for the twenty forties.
Speaker 11: Okay, let me ask you both a question about climate change.
Speaker 11: We get a lot of questions about the concerns that
Speaker 11: people have over more intense weather events, be it storms, fires, floods,
Speaker 11: particularly in your home state Queensland. Mister Dutton, do you
Speaker 11: accept that we are already seeing the impact of climate change?
Speaker 12: Well, David, there's an impact of QUI is what we
Speaker 12: can do about it? As a population of twenty seven
Speaker 12: million people, so we should be good corporate citizens, good
Speaker 12: international neighbors, etc. But at the moment, China is building
Speaker 12: two coal fire power stations a week. India obviously is
Speaker 12: burning a lot of fossil fuel. And what the government's
Speaker 12: doing and Chris Bowen gave us.
Speaker 11: Can we stick with your plans again? He mister Dutton,
Speaker 11: I understand the propensity to get stuck into each other.
Speaker 11: You're agreeing we are seeing the impact of climate change.
Speaker 12: I think you can see that there's an impact, David,
Speaker 12: but I don't in my home state. You made reference
Speaker 12: to floods and natural disasters events. We were out in
Speaker 12: Targetminda the other day. That has been a part of
Speaker 12: the history of our state, of this country, and.
Speaker 11: We need too is getting worse.
Speaker 12: Well, I'll leave others you think, I'll let scientists and
Speaker 12: others past that judgment, but really not.
Speaker 11: Willing to say this is climate change happening right now?
Speaker 12: Well, as the Prime Minister refused to do the other
Speaker 12: day to make comment in this regard as well, I
Speaker 12: don't know, David, because I'm not a scientist, and I
Speaker 12: can't tell you whether the temperature has risen in Fargaminde
Speaker 12: as a result of climate change, or that the water
Speaker 12: levels are up in Fargaminder's latest flood as a result
Speaker 12: of climate change. And I think the honest answer for
Speaker 12: most people is that they don't know, and there are
Speaker 12: siders who can provide advice. What I need to do
Speaker 12: as the alternate Prime Minister in this country is to
Speaker 12: put forward our plan about how we go.
Speaker 10: To help families.
Speaker 12: We need to transition, and we've spoken about that with
Speaker 12: our zero missions technology. But in relation to power costs,
Speaker 12: which I think is a really important issue before we
Speaker 12: move on, the Prime Minister promised too hundred and seventy
Speaker 12: five dollars reduction per year at the last election. It
Speaker 12: has never eventuated. He never mentions the figure and at
Speaker 12: least Chris Balne was able to give you a straighter
Speaker 12: answer than what you just heard before because power prices
Speaker 12: have gone up by thirteen hundred dollars and they are
Speaker 12: making no commitments in this election other than if you
Speaker 12: vote labor, your electricity and your gas prices moved away.
Speaker 11: From the impact of climate change a little there. But
Speaker 11: mister Albinezi, we do know that people in a lot
Speaker 11: of these areas where we're seeing more severe impacts are
Speaker 11: really worried about the impact on their insurance premiums. One
Speaker 11: of our audience members, Ross lives in Balana. Three years ago,
Speaker 11: his premium was less than three thousand dollars. Now it's
Speaker 11: more than six thousand dollars. I mean, that's unaffordable for many.
Speaker 11: What's the role of government here to help people? In
Speaker 11: that stage?
Speaker 14: Can I talk about science and be a prime minister
Speaker 14: who backs it out up? The science is very clear.
Speaker 14: Doesn't mean that every single weather event is because of
Speaker 14: climate change. It does mean that the science told us
Speaker 14: that the events would be more extreme and they'd be
Speaker 14: more frequent, and that is what we are seeing playing out,
Speaker 14: whether it be increased bush fires, increased flooding, these extreme
Speaker 14: weather events that are having an impact. So when we
Speaker 14: talk about the costs, this is one of the costs,
Speaker 14: the cost to our economy as well as the cost
Speaker 14: to our environment of not acting on climate change, of
Speaker 14: not being a part of the global solution.
Speaker 11: Severe Okay, I want to move on. Let's turn to
Speaker 11: the global outlook and an issue that certainly fled in
Speaker 11: the last couple of days. Mister Dutton, yesterday you jumped
Speaker 11: on reports that Russia had asked to base some of
Speaker 11: its military aircraft in Indonesia. You suggested this would represent
Speaker 11: a catastrophic failure of the Albanesi government for not seeing this,
Speaker 11: not knowing that it was coming. You said the Indonesian
Speaker 11: president had publicly announced this Russian request when he had not.
Speaker 11: Indonesia says there won't be Russian planes based there. Do
Speaker 11: you admit you got that wrong?
Speaker 12: Well, David, the reference I was making should have been
Speaker 12: to the president. That was in relation to sources from
Speaker 12: the Proboo government.
Speaker 10: So was that a mistake.
Speaker 12: It was a mistake, and I'm happy to admit what
Speaker 12: we got from the Indonesian authorities in the reports, and
Speaker 12: the Prime Minister commented on these reports yesterday as well,
Speaker 12: was that the sources inside the Proboo government confirmed that
Speaker 12: that was the case. Now, what we've seen in the
Speaker 12: last twelve hours or so is that the Russian Envoid
Speaker 12: two Indonesia has confirmed that there have been discussions, and
Speaker 12: obviously there is a concerning closeness in that relationship. And
Speaker 12: I think the main point here is that the Prime
Speaker 12: Minister knew nothing of it, nothing of the concerns, nothing
Speaker 12: of the prospect. The Prime Minister found out about it
Speaker 12: through a news report, similarly to when the Chinese naval
Speaker 12: ship circumnavigates our country, and he doesn't know about all
Speaker 12: of the detail until Virgin pilot provides the detail.
Speaker 11: Clearly, mister Albanezi, they're expanding defense cooperations going on between
Speaker 11: Russia and Indonesia. That held some exercises in November, and
Speaker 11: just yesterday Russia's deputy Prime minister met the Indonesian President
Speaker 11: in Jakarta.
Speaker 14: Does this concern you, Well, that's an extraordinary double down
Speaker 14: from the alternative Prime Minister of Australia who verbal the
Speaker 14: Indonesian president yesterday. Indonesia will be the fourth largest economy
Speaker 14: in the world. They are an important partner of Australia.
Speaker 14: We have an important defense relationship with Indonesia as well, Proboo,
Speaker 14: I regard as a personal friend and we have good
Speaker 14: relations there. And the idea that you just throw out
Speaker 14: these comments is just extraordinary. And the fact that we
Speaker 14: just saw a double down on it, as if there's
Speaker 14: nothing to see here, just shows that there's no understanding
Speaker 14: of the need for diplomacy. Diplomacy means engaging seriously in
Speaker 14: a calibrated, serious way, treating Indonesia with respect, as we
Speaker 14: do other nations that we deal with.
Speaker 11: Well, just quickly on that you said, you pointed out
Speaker 11: Indonesia is an important partner. You said President Sibianto's a
Speaker 11: personal friend. Why haven't you been to Indonesia since he
Speaker 11: became president?
Speaker 14: Because I've been here domestically, but the president I have
Speaker 14: spoken with, and the president was here just before his inauguration.
Speaker 11: When did you last speek.
Speaker 15: He's a regular visitor.
Speaker 11: We speak regularly and spoken about this about their WEE
Speaker 11: operation with Russia.
Speaker 14: Well, I don't broadcast the private discussion, but we had
Speaker 14: discussions at the senior levels of government. Government to government
Speaker 14: confirmed that. Peter says, why didn't we know something that
Speaker 14: didn't exist? And what didn't exist? And Indonesia has confirmed
Speaker 14: the idea of a base being used by the Russian
Speaker 14: Air Force in West Papa.
Speaker 11: Do you accept that, mester Up, No, I don't.
Speaker 12: I don't accept that, And I think the Prime minister's
Speaker 12: full of bluster here because he knows that he's got
Speaker 12: it wrong again in relation to national security. This is
Speaker 12: the government that's tripped eighty billion dollars out of defense,
Speaker 12: and we've seen the relationship in relation to Indonesia and
Speaker 12: Russia grow closer.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 12: Indonesia is an incredibly important partner. I met with the
Speaker 12: President elect when he was out here, and I had
Speaker 12: a very good relationship with him as Defense Minister when
Speaker 12: we were both in that portfolio. I had a lot
Speaker 12: to do with the previous with the previous president in
Speaker 12: Indonesia as well. So we have a stable, solid relationship.
Speaker 12: But that means that if there is to be some
Speaker 12: change in the security settings in our region, that if
Speaker 12: there is respect for the Albanezi government. Of course there
Speaker 12: is not at the moment, because I see this Prime
Speaker 12: minister as weak. Then why wouldn't there be a response,
Speaker 12: or why wouldn't there be even to the Foreign Minister,
Speaker 12: to the Defense Minister, to say, I think it's an
Speaker 12: important point.
Speaker 14: Peter suggesting that there should be a response to something
Speaker 14: that isn't happening. And this is the second of the
Speaker 14: failures that we've seen of diplomacy and of mature responses
Speaker 14: to international issues. Just during this campaign, when President Trump
Speaker 14: made the announcement that every single country in the world
Speaker 14: will be hit with tariffs, the alternative Prime Minister suggested
Speaker 14: that we should put defense and our defense relationship with
Speaker 14: the United States on the bargaining table, and it took
Speaker 14: John Howard to intervene to point out.
Speaker 11: Ok, we've made it forty minutes and finally Donald Trump's
Speaker 11: name gets mentioned. He's not in this room, but he
Speaker 11: of course has a big influence on the future of
Speaker 11: Australia and the world. He has hit Australia with the
Speaker 11: ten percent tariff, he started a trade war with China.
Speaker 11: He's treating friends and allies with disdain. Mister Dutton, to
Speaker 11: you first, do you trust this president?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 12: David I said in relation to President Trump that I
Speaker 12: thought the scenes that we saw coming out of the
Speaker 12: White House, the treatment of President Zelenski was a disgrace,
Speaker 12: that it was appalling, and I stand by those comments
Speaker 12: and we need to have a very strong working relationship
Speaker 12: with the United States.
Speaker 11: Of course we do. Do you trust him?
Speaker 10: Was the question, Well, we trust the United States and
Speaker 10: I don't know the President.
Speaker 11: I've not met him.
Speaker 12: Prime Minister obviously has been able to but I'm not
Speaker 12: wanting to say you trust I don't know Donald Trump?
Speaker 10: Is my point.
Speaker 12: My point is that who I trust is the Australian people.
Speaker 12: In My job is to stand up for our country's interests,
Speaker 12: which is what I did when we negotiated the orcan
Speaker 12: still with President Biden.
Speaker 11: Mister Albinezi, do you trust Donald Trump?
Speaker 14: Yeah, I have no reason not to. I've had a
Speaker 14: couple of discussions with him. In the last discussion we
Speaker 14: agreed on a series of words that he would give consideration.
Speaker 14: Great consideration was the words that he used, and he
Speaker 14: did that. In the end, he made a decision as
Speaker 14: part of the US administration to put these tariffs on
Speaker 14: every country. We got the lowest amount, but we made
Speaker 14: it very clear that that was an act of self
Speaker 14: harm by the United States. The United States enjoys the
Speaker 14: trade surplus with Australia.
Speaker 8: All this will do.
Speaker 15: All this will do is put up costs for American consumers.
Speaker 11: Just what we're at it. Do you trust China's president?
Speaker 11: She did big.
Speaker 15: I have no reason not to either.
Speaker 14: In terms of the discussions that we have had as
Speaker 14: one on one discussions have been important. China's our major
Speaker 14: trading partner. One in four Australian jobs depends upon trade.
Speaker 14: Is in Australia's national interest to have a good economic
Speaker 14: relationship with China. We have different political systems and that
Speaker 14: means different values, and we have very different values with China.
Speaker 14: But what I've said is we'll cooperate where we can,
Speaker 14: We'll disagree where we must, but we'll engage in our
Speaker 14: national interest.
Speaker 11: Do you trust well?
Speaker 12: Again, I don't know the president of China, but I
Speaker 12: believe very strongly in the relationship that we have because
Speaker 12: of the reasons of Prime Minister outlines it's important for
Speaker 12: our economic stability and our sovereignty and government. We negotiated
Speaker 12: eleven free trade agreements. This government's only been able to
Speaker 12: negotiate one of the eleven. One was with China. I
Speaker 12: want to see the relationship grow and I want to
Speaker 12: see trust in the relationship, but we have to stand
Speaker 12: up for our sovereignty.
Speaker 10: We have to have a respectful relationship.
Speaker 12: I had a very good meeting with the premier from
Speaker 12: China when he was out only a couple of months ago,
Speaker 12: and we can build the relationship trust in well again,
Speaker 12: I've spoke to him across the table, so I haven't
Speaker 12: done business with him and shaken hands and seen whether
Speaker 12: somebody's honored that deal.
Speaker 10: But I didn't have any reason to trust.
Speaker 14: Can I make the point In the agreements that I've
Speaker 14: reached with Premier Lee, they have all resulted in precisely
Speaker 14: what was agreed on both sides. And now as a
Speaker 14: result of that, twenty billion dollars of trade with China
Speaker 14: has been restored.
Speaker 10: A lot of people are because of the free trade
Speaker 10: agreement that we saw it.
Speaker 14: It didn't operate for the entire time in which your
Speaker 14: last turn there were no discussions. Well again there's no contact,
Speaker 14: no funatraals, no meetings, no trade.
Speaker 12: Well there wasn't diplomatic free well in terms of the
Speaker 12: trade relationship, it was something that we established through the
Speaker 12: free trade agreement.
Speaker 11: It did start well.
Speaker 12: There were difficulties in relation to five G David so
Speaker 12: talk about that period. We took a decision as a
Speaker 12: government to exclude high risk vendors from five G because
Speaker 12: we wanted to protect our telecommunications system.
Speaker 10: China was upset in relation to that.
Speaker 12: If the Prime Minister's suggesting, because it was a bipartisan
Speaker 12: position at the time, that that was an appropriate step
Speaker 12: for us to take in our national interests, that he
Speaker 12: probably should.
Speaker 11: So let's come back to Donald Trump. It's a while
Speaker 11: since you've had a conversation. We how this tariff put
Speaker 11: on us at ten percent plus the tariff's on steel
Speaker 11: an aluminium. You've suggested some sort of deal around critical
Speaker 11: minerals is on the table. The critical minerals reserve, strategic reserve.
Speaker 11: What is that, mister Albanezi And what exactly are you
Speaker 11: offering Donald Trump.
Speaker 14: Well, we're engaged diplomatically, not through a TV interview, but
Speaker 14: we have put forward.
Speaker 15: A proposition to the United States. The United States have.
Speaker 14: Put forward publicly their complaints about Australia. We won't budge
Speaker 14: on the pharmaceutical benefit scheme, we won't budge on biosecurity issues,
Speaker 14: we won't budge on the media Bargaining Code. We will
Speaker 14: stand up for Australia's national interest because that is important.
Speaker 14: So we'll continue to engage with the United States.
Speaker 11: But we hope yourself about hope reserve being put on
Speaker 11: the table.
Speaker 9: That's right. So what is it?
Speaker 14: Well, a critical minerals reserve is just that it's a
Speaker 14: reserve of the critical minerals and rarers which Australia has
Speaker 14: an abundance of. We have the entire period, you can
Speaker 14: periodic table here, you can have it, you can have
Speaker 14: it this.
Speaker 15: Well, no, well, we will negotiate.
Speaker 14: The United States is very keen to get access to
Speaker 14: critical minerals and rarers. The trade dispute with China is
Speaker 14: particularly concerning to many in the US economy, So.
Speaker 11: We reserve this for the United States.
Speaker 15: No, well, we'll negotiate with the United States rather than
Speaker 15: with you, David.
Speaker 11: Try with respect, mister Dutton. You've said you'd get a
Speaker 11: deal very quickly with Donald Trump, that he dropped these tariffs.
Speaker 11: No other leaders manage this. How do you plan to
Speaker 11: pull this one on?
Speaker 12: Well, we did actually in the forty fifth presidency when
Speaker 12: President Trump was first elected. We were able to negotiate
Speaker 12: as a government then and outcome where Australia was existing.
Speaker 11: How would you do it now? Well, again, as we
Speaker 11: did olcome termal at the time. Well as we it's
Speaker 11: a lot harder now as we did last time. We
Speaker 11: were able to leverage relationships.
Speaker 12: Unfortunately, sadly for our country, Ambassador Rudd can't get into
Speaker 12: the West Wing and can't get a conversation average the relation.
Speaker 12: It means, as we did last time, David, we look
Speaker 12: at people with whom we have a relationship, contacts both
Speaker 12: within the West Wing, within the administration and those external
Speaker 12: to the administration. The trouble is that Anthony didn't think
Speaker 12: that Donald Trump was going to be elected and put
Speaker 12: nothing into the relationship. And unfortunately Australia, our beef producers
Speaker 12: and others are now facing this ten percent tariff.
Speaker 11: And we've got closer ties with the Trump we have.
Speaker 12: I think we have the ability, as we demonstrated before,
Speaker 12: to talk to the administration. And again the mistruth that
Speaker 12: was spoken before by the Prime Minister about John Howard.
Speaker 12: The point I make, which is I think accepted by
Speaker 12: most sensible people, is that it as John Howard agrees with,
Speaker 12: that we should be doing everything we can to enhance
Speaker 12: the relationship to make our two countries stronger together. We've
Speaker 12: been with the United States for the last one hundred years.
Speaker 11: It sounds like your answer to this is because you've
Speaker 11: got closer relationships with the Trump team, you'd be able
Speaker 11: to get a deal.
Speaker 12: We have I think a capacity demonstrated. We've already done that, David,
Speaker 12: and we demonstrated it in the first president, so that
Speaker 12: we're able to get an exemption when other countries weren't.
Speaker 10: So all I'm saying is that.
Speaker 11: Everyone else in the world can't get it.
Speaker 12: You would well, as you know when other countries were
Speaker 12: slapped with the tariff. Last time we were exempt from
Speaker 12: it under a coalition government.
Speaker 11: There were plenty of others. This time, no one's got
Speaker 11: an exemption. Well, you reckon you could.
Speaker 12: We've got an ambassador now who can't get a phone
Speaker 12: call to the president. We had an ambassador who used
Speaker 12: to play golf with him. We have people in Washington
Speaker 12: who have worked for coalition governments, people who have worked
Speaker 12: for the Australian government. I think there is the ability
Speaker 12: to do a deal. A point I was making in
Speaker 12: relation to the events is that the Americans came to
Speaker 12: our aid in the Battle of the Coral Sea. We've
Speaker 12: stood with America through every battle. It is an incredible relationship.
Speaker 12: I think in relation to critical minerals. You can look
Speaker 12: at off take agreements. You can look at supply chain
Speaker 12: of surety for the United States so that their weapons
Speaker 12: systems and their guide of weapons can be constructed. And
Speaker 12: that is a critical part of what I think we
Speaker 12: can bring to the table. It's not a threat. It's
Speaker 12: about how you can enhance the relationship which seems to
Speaker 12: escape have escaped discoverment just.
Speaker 11: A quick one. You're both on a unity ticket when
Speaker 11: it comes to August. By the sounds of it, you
Speaker 11: want to stick with it despite the volatility created by
Speaker 11: Donald Trump. Is there a need for any contingency planning
Speaker 11: at defense?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 11: If Elon Musk, for example, advisors Trump that their shipbuilding
Speaker 11: industry can't cope with sharing submarines with Australia. Mister Albanezi,
Speaker 11: do we need some contingency planning?
Speaker 14: No, because this is in the interests of both Australia
Speaker 14: and the United States and the United Kingdom as well.
Speaker 11: So no contingency plans. All the chips are on August.
Speaker 15: This is in the interests of the US.
Speaker 14: We have I've been on a US sub there in
Speaker 14: Wa that's been doctor nuclear powered submarine. They are Australia
Speaker 14: there are Australian mariners working on that submarine. We have
Speaker 14: people in the United States, in the United Kingdom working
Speaker 14: on the Orchest project, and it has a bipartisan support.
Speaker 14: And what is extraordinary is a questioning of that does
Speaker 14: nothing to advance Australia's national interests. The important thing about
Speaker 14: international relations is that you shouldn't try to score domestic
Speaker 14: political points through it.
Speaker 11: Look, I want to turn to well just on that point.
Speaker 12: So when the Prime Minister sneakily says to an audience,
Speaker 12: when he thinks he's not being watched, that nuclear is unsafe,
Speaker 12: what does that say to our American partners when we've
Speaker 12: got our sailors, our sub mariners on submarines on the Virginia.
Speaker 14: Suggesting signed I signed. I went to San Diego. I
Speaker 14: signed with President Biden the agreements.
Speaker 10: I'm seeking for political neglec power.
Speaker 15: That's what submarines.
Speaker 12: What the government hasn't done, which has been noticed by
Speaker 12: the United States. They have invested into Orcus, and they
Speaker 12: have invested into Pillar two of UCAS. They've cannibalized Army,
Speaker 12: Navy and Air Force to pay for some of the firstments.
Speaker 12: There's no line item.
Speaker 14: For complete nonsense we have increased defense spending by fifty
Speaker 14: seven billion dollars. We had a defense strategic review that
Speaker 14: found put simply that we need more things that go bang,
Speaker 14: and that's why we have guided missiles that we're not
Speaker 14: just buying, We're actually going to make them here in
Speaker 14: Australia and that manufacturing begins this year. We have had
Speaker 14: serious discussions with the United States, going back to the
Speaker 14: Biden administration about critical minerals, about the role that it
Speaker 14: plays in industry, and we have engaged constructively and it
Speaker 14: doesn't assist to try to score a political point on
Speaker 14: what is something that we backed. We backed when the
Speaker 14: Morrison government came up with this proposal.
Speaker 15: I want to move on it and we put meat
Speaker 15: on the bones.
Speaker 11: Let me come back to your campaigning. Neither of you
Speaker 11: have visited an Indigenous community so far in this election campaign,
Speaker 11: mister Dutton, what are Indigenous Australians to make of that?
Speaker 12: Well, I can point to many trips that we've made
Speaker 12: to East arnham Land, to Alice Springs, to many communities
Speaker 12: across the country.
Speaker 11: David.
Speaker 12: The campaign isn't just made up of the last fifteen
Speaker 12: days or whatever it's been. It's made up of our
Speaker 12: term over the last three years. We went to Alice
Speaker 12: Springs and we spoke to a lot of people after
Speaker 12: the Voice, in particular where people were devastated because the
Speaker 12: practical assistance promised by the Prime Minister hasn't been delivered
Speaker 12: and the country was divided or the attempt was made
Speaker 12: to divide our country on the Voice. So I think
Speaker 12: the Prime Minister, I think the governments a lot of
Speaker 12: damage in relation to this area of public.
Speaker 11: Where it's leftist. I want to show you this. This
Speaker 11: is from the latest Closing the Gap data. The suicide
Speaker 11: rate amongst Indigenous Australians the line on top and non
Speaker 11: Indigenous Australians the line at the bottom. The gap is
Speaker 11: getting wider and this is kids in out of home
Speaker 11: care once again, Indigenous kids the top line, Non Indigenous
Speaker 11: kids the bottom line. That gap is just not budgeting.
Speaker 11: It's getting a little worse as well. Mister Albanezi. Neither
Speaker 11: side of politics has been able to close these gaps.
Speaker 11: What's your plan now to fix this?
Speaker 14: Neither side of politics has done well enough for First
Speaker 14: Nations people. That's just a fact and that's something that
Speaker 14: breaks my heart. But what we did post referendum was
Speaker 14: I went to Gama. I spoke about economic empowerment of
Speaker 14: Indigenous people. So we have a series of programs, firstly
Speaker 14: taking what was essentially a work for the doll scheme,
Speaker 14: creating real jobs with real training and real outcomes. There's
Speaker 14: something like forty thousand Indigenous people, for example, have benefited
Speaker 14: from free tape. We're putting additional funds into health, particularly
Speaker 14: areas like dialysis. We have a ten year program on
Speaker 14: remote housing. On education, we're pumping record funding into schools
Speaker 14: and that particularly will benefit areas like Cape York and
Speaker 14: the Northern Territory Indigenous schools as well.
Speaker 11: And in terms of the Ulary statement which called for
Speaker 11: a voice and treaty and truth telling, have you now
Speaker 11: moved on from that completely?
Speaker 14: Well, I went to Gama and I spoke about what
Speaker 14: our priorities were, and I spoke to you.
Speaker 15: On the day that I gave that speech. We accept
Speaker 15: the decision of the Australian people.
Speaker 9: In that referendum've now moved on from all of that?
Speaker 14: Well, we accept the decision that was made, David. We
Speaker 14: put forward a proposition that was asked for. We took
Speaker 14: up the gracious request of First nations people made at
Speaker 14: Uluru in two thy and seventeen and.
Speaker 11: Now mister dut you during that voice campaign, agreed that
Speaker 11: the current system isn't working for Indigenous Australians. If it's
Speaker 11: not working, how would you fix it?
Speaker 12: Well, I think it's heartbreaking to see those figures, and
Speaker 12: I share the sentiment of the Prime Minister that despite
Speaker 12: both sides of government over a long period of time
Speaker 12: we've both been in Parliament over twenty years, there've been
Speaker 12: in every discussion I've had and every Expenditure Review Committee
Speaker 12: and government in opposition a desire to invest as much
Speaker 12: money as is required to see those terrible outcomes improve,
Speaker 12: and it hasn't happened. And as just enter Prices pointed out,
Speaker 12: there is a lot of concern about the way in
Speaker 12: which programs are delivered within communities, and yet there are
Speaker 12: some amazing stories where you see ninety percent attendance rates
Speaker 12: at school, you see a functioning society where people are
Speaker 12: going to work, where housing is available, where there are
Speaker 12: much better health outcomes, and there is a leadership aspect
Speaker 12: within some of those communities which is exemplary to be
Speaker 12: hauled up as a great opportunity in other communities, So
Speaker 12: I think we need to accept that the Whilst those
Speaker 12: figures are devastating, as we point out, there are some
Speaker 12: examples where we have seen dramatic improvements.
Speaker 10: How can we replicate and scale that up?
Speaker 11: Look a final one before we hear your closing statements.
Speaker 11: We do hear a lot from both of you in
Speaker 11: this campaign about how dire things would be for Australia
Speaker 11: if the other bloke wins. And maybe that's just the
Speaker 11: nature of campaigning, but you two have known each other
Speaker 11: a very long time. I've witnessed you both over the
Speaker 11: dispatch box in Parliament. You're able to have a chat.
Speaker 11: You seem to get on.
Speaker 9: I just want to ask.
Speaker 10: I don't want you to have it stated the kiss
Speaker 10: of death for Bath.
Speaker 11: What I wanted to ask is it would really be
Speaker 11: a disaster for the country or is this just a
Speaker 11: bit of political hype if the other guy won. Mister Albinezi, I.
Speaker 15: Think there are very different values that we have.
Speaker 14: I can have a private discussion with Peter, can call
Speaker 14: him round to the office, and he does so regularly,
Speaker 14: and my office is open to every member of Parliament.
Speaker 15: But I don't take this personally.
Speaker 14: But I have a very different view of Australia, and
Speaker 14: I think that Peter has taken his party to a
Speaker 14: more conservative bent than it has ever been and I
Speaker 14: want very much to be able to continue the work
Speaker 14: that our government's been able to achieve.
Speaker 11: All Right, mister Dunn, Well David.
Speaker 12: On matters of national security or issues that are important
Speaker 12: for our country, the Prime Minister round I can have
Speaker 12: a conversation and have on a number of occasions to
Speaker 12: find a bipartisan position to advance that cause. But as
Speaker 12: Anthony points out, we've got different visions and different pathways
Speaker 12: and it really hurts me to see young Australians completely
Speaker 12: locked out out of the housing market. It hurts me
Speaker 12: to see young families putting off having kids under this government.
Speaker 12: And the reason the Prime Minister is running a scare
Speaker 12: campaign at the moment is that he doesn't want to
Speaker 12: talk about the reality of the last three years, which
Speaker 12: has been a failure for our country and the twenty
Speaker 12: nine to thirty thousand small businesses. Behind every one of
Speaker 12: those stories is somebody who's lost their home, somebody's lost their.
Speaker 10: Life savings or their job.
Speaker 12: And I have a vision where we can run our
Speaker 12: economy successfully, so we can help people up and provide
Speaker 12: support to them and to keep our country safe.
Speaker 11: All right, time for your closing statements, mister Dutton to
Speaker 11: you first, well, David, as.
Speaker 12: We go to the third of May, people need to
Speaker 12: reflect on what's happened in our country, in.
Speaker 10: Your lives over the course of the last three years.
Speaker 12: And as I said in my opening remarks, can you
Speaker 12: answer the question are you better off today than you
Speaker 12: were three years ago? And for the vast majority of
Speaker 12: Australians the answer is no. We have a positive plan
Speaker 12: for our country. We have a desire to manage our
Speaker 12: economy and if people vote for the Liberal and National
Speaker 12: Parties at the next election, will successfully manage the economy
Speaker 12: to clean up Labour's mess. We'll bring inflation down, which
Speaker 12: brings interest rates down, will restore the dream of home ownership.
Speaker 12: If Australians vote for their Liberal and National Party canredates
Speaker 12: at the next election. I'll get a twenty five cent
Speaker 12: reduction in the price of petrol and diesel and twelve
Speaker 12: hundred dollars back the tax that you've paid to help
Speaker 12: you cope with the pressures that you're under at the moment.
Speaker 12: I want to make sure that we can invest into
Speaker 12: defense and make sure that we can take crime seriously
Speaker 12: and reduce the problem of crime as it exists in
Speaker 12: our communities, in our suburbs across the country. My vision
Speaker 12: for our country is to make us a safer, more
Speaker 12: prosperous nation. And on the third of May, I ask
Speaker 12: for the support of the Australian people.
Speaker 11: Thank you mister mister Abenezy your closing stake.
Speaker 14: This election is a real choice, a choice between Labour's
Speaker 14: plans to build Australias future and the coalition's plans for cuts.
Speaker 14: When it comes to education, we have schools, funding childcare,
Speaker 14: making it more affordable. Our university is accord or a
Speaker 14: plan to get rid of free Tafe, to cut schools
Speaker 14: like happened last time with thirty billion dollars of cuts
Speaker 14: on Medicare will strengthen it. You know, people know that
Speaker 14: we believe in Medicare and they know that the last
Speaker 14: time they were in government and Peter was the Health
Speaker 14: minis so they tried to introduce an abolition of bulk billing.
Speaker 15: That is a choice that they have.
Speaker 14: On climate change, we've heard tonight no acceptance of the
Speaker 14: science of climate change. We accept it and we're acting
Speaker 14: on it with renewables backed by gas batteries and making
Speaker 14: sure that we deliver on climate change and on renewable energy.
Speaker 14: When it comes to a gender issues that we didn't
Speaker 14: confront today, we've had a women's health program, the most
Speaker 14: significant that we have had.
Speaker 15: We have had payper and or leave.
Speaker 14: We have had a gender program that puts women at
Speaker 14: the center about economic and social agenda, and the Coalition
Speaker 14: have not done anything on any of those issues. On
Speaker 14: our place in the world, we need to have a
Speaker 14: considered approach, a diplomatic approach, not the shoot from the
Speaker 14: hip approach that we've seen during this campaign.
Speaker 11: Thank you both very much for joining us this evening.
Speaker 11: We do wish you well for the remainder of the campaign.
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