WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:03.720 At the forefront when you first see it. Protest you 2 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:06.320 dot com and their counterpart on Twitter is a place 3 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:09.880 where you can find amazing videos like this well sort 4 00:00:09.919 --> 00:00:12.480 of pastor showing that he can walk on air. That's 5 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:15.960 the work of Protestia dot com and it is also 6 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:18.839 though the tip of what they do. They are an 7 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:21.559 organization headed by a guy named David Morrel who joins 8 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:24.879 us today, and if you read further down the line, 9 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:28.000 he's a deeply theological man who has paid a price 10 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.719 for speaking his mind, both as a National Guard member 11 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:34.320 and as a citizen, and he's gladly paid that price. 12 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:38.079 He joins us today with the courtesy of our YouTube channel, 13 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:40.359 YouTube dot com slash at The Todd Herman Show ends 14 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:45.640 under the great auspices of God Almighty, But Todd. 15 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:49.039 Herman Show is one hundred percent disapproved by big pharma, 16 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:57.520 technocourrats and tyrants everywhere from the hind mountains of Free America. 17 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:04.439 Here's the Emeralds City Exit God her Man. 18 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:07.159 Today is to day the Lord has made, and these 19 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:09.480 are the times to which God has decided we shall live. 20 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:13.359 David Merril joins us live from Denver, Colorado, a city 21 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:16.519 that has been Seattlezed David, appreciate you being here. Thank 22 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:19.079 you man, thanks for having me on the show. Todd 23 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:20.760 loved to see you. Yeah, good to see you. Love 24 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:22.359 your hat, love what you're doing at protest to you 25 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:26.000 dot com. Let's start real quick, just by groundsetting that 26 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.439 you're a guy who's paid a cost for free speech. 27 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:31.680 And I know the podcast family will appreciate this because 28 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:33.840 people who are willing to pay these prices I think 29 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:35.879 means something to us. So talk about what happened to 30 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:37.079 you as a National Guard member. 31 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:40.959 Well so, and then first I should say that nothing 32 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:43.400 I say represents the army or the Colorado National Guard. 33 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:45.959 But yeah, well I gotta say that. 34 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.840 You gotta put that out there, you know, I mean, 35 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:50.920 they really require that, Okay. 36 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:51.200 Yeah. 37 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:54.439 Back in twenty twenty two, I was doing this, the 38 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:59.120 Protestingest podcast actually with a pastor friend of mine, JD. Hall, 39 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:01.920 and we talk politics and we talked because you know, 40 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:04.439 it's very much from a Christian conservative perspective, but we 41 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:07.120 talk politics and we talk the ins and outs of 42 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:11.439 how to navigate you know, the modern modern times and 43 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:15.439 modern situations as Christians who want to be civilly engaged, 44 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:19.080 civically engaged, politically engaged, and I said some stuff on 45 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:22.319 that podcast again off duty as a National Guardsman. We're 46 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:24.759 on duty, then we're off duty, and I'm off duty 47 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:27.479 and kind of irregular clothes like I am now probably 48 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.039 wearing the same hat or something else, and I said 49 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:33.080 some things that then somebody reported to the guard PAO 50 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:36.199 and they decided to punish me. So they actually punished 51 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:39.280 me militarily for the content, not not just that I 52 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:42.520 said something, but the content of what I said, and 53 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:45.319 accused me of being a racist in an official memorandum. 54 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:47.360 Accused me of being racist. And it was because I 55 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:50.080 said that I didn't see the evidence that George Floyd 56 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:52.240 was targeted because of his race, not that he wasn't, 57 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:53.759 but just that I didn't see the evidence. 58 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:56.439 I said, you didn't see the evidence. 59 00:02:56.719 --> 00:02:58.039 Right, That's exactly what I said. 60 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:00.759 I I don't see the evidence George Floyd targeted because 61 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:03.120 of his race. But the funny thing is Keith Ellison, 62 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:06.639 who prosecuted Derek Chauvin, said the same thing. The extremely 63 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:10.400 liberal prosecutor that put Derek Chauvin in prison didn't charge 64 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:12.400 him with a hate crime because he didn't see the 65 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:14.759 evidence that Floyd was targeted because of his race. I 66 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:16.800 said the same thing. I got punished for it, and 67 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:18.800 I wasn't even on duty. Has nothing to do with 68 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:21.639 the military. So it's just kind of crazy times in 69 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:23.680 terms of the free speech that we're living in. And 70 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:25.960 for me, at least, my heart is to what can 71 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:28.560 I do to help service members be able to not 72 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:29.039 have this. 73 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:29.599 Happen to them. 74 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:32.080 Now, I'm pretty old as far as military goes, but 75 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:34.560 I'm thinking about the younger guy who can't afford to fight. 76 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:35.879 I can afford to fight. 77 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:36.280 Well. 78 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:37.639 I love that you think of it that way, and 79 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:40.360 you did sue for your First Amendment rights right, didn't 80 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:40.840 have a lawsuit. 81 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:42.919 Yes, it's in the Colorado of District Court as we speak. 82 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:45.719 All right, let's try this video again, this pastor walking 83 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:48.360 on air, to see if you're convinced and perhaps you'll 84 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:49.680 end up following this church. 85 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:50.159 Here we go. 86 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:55.759 This is from Protestia dot Com. That looks like the 87 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:56.639 Brady Bunch set. 88 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:03.560 I thought, sooks good, go beautifully well shot. 89 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:08.080 My goodness, they spared no expense. 90 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:14.719 Wow. 91 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:19.360 Like the Lord Jesus himself competer walk on water. Do 92 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:21.920 you ever get people angry at you? Do you ever 93 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:25.800 get the pastors or the impastors or pastor pastric Si. 94 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:27.920 Do you ever get in touch with you and get 95 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:28.439 angry with you. 96 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:33.959 Yes, usually not out in the open. 97 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.360 Usually it's a private message or something, or every once 98 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:37.759 in a while we'll get a seasoned desist. 99 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:39.160 We like to call them nasty grams. 100 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:42.639 Yeah right, we just we ignore them where we put 101 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:43.560 them on the wall or something. 102 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:43.839 I mean. 103 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:47.160 Yeah, So this is a tip of the sphere way 104 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:52.240 of reaching people and drawing attention. And you're a thinker theologically, 105 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:53.839 and I want to talk through some of the more 106 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:55.839 serious aspects of this. We'll go back and forth and 107 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.160 play some of the videos because there's some pretty serious stuff. 108 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.879 There's people like Andy Stanley and other folks who are 109 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:03.519 misleading flocks and the false teachers. So we'll talk about 110 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:07.800 this with David Moral. There is a disease in the 111 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:13.160 world of supplements, and I've actually thought about starting a 112 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:16.439 supplement line many many years ago. I had this idea 113 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:21.319 basically for a vending machine in gyms. It would custom 114 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:25.120 mix for you based upon your profile, the right amount 115 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:29.199 of protein and creating put in some simple carbs, so 116 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:31.519 it'd be like a pre workout shake. Versus a post 117 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:34.879 workout shake. And I thought about how to do this, 118 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:37.800 and I even went and consulted some people in the industry, 119 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:41.120 and I came out with, well, you know what, that's 120 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:44.920 super high end. Most people wouldn't pay for that because 121 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.639 people are glad just to pick up a shake or 122 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:48.519 this or that. Then I see guys, and I'm not 123 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:51.959 here to criticize people. They're incredibly successful for whatever reason, 124 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.800 and they've got their own supplements lines, and I'm just 125 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:59.560 I'm going to tell you, no one is really coming 126 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:03.199 out and into new wave proteins. This is almost always 127 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:05.319 private labeled. They add some things to it so it 128 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:08.680 can be an exclusive blend. There are a few companies 129 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:12.600 and we're really blessed to work with a couple of them. Bioptimize. 130 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.040 This has been around for all going in three decades 131 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.480 for a reason. They actually have their own lab. They 132 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.639 actually use their own products. Matt and Wade are the 133 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:24.800 first test cases for all their products period. They're the 134 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:28.360 founders and they're the co CEOs. Nothing comes out of 135 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:31.480 their lab that they haven't themselves used. And here's how 136 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:33.759 fanatical they are. They have a product called Mushroom Breakthrough 137 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:38.800 and mushroom Breakthrough helps you with concentration, it it helps 138 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:43.600 you with memory, it helps you with calmness recall. And 139 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.360 how do they know this? Because Matt and Wade are 140 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:51.319 lunatics in one very specific way, body hacking. They wouldn't 141 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:56.240 had brain scans done. Then they discovered that they were 142 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:59.959 losing memories, and okay, this makes sense our brains aging. 143 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:04.199 What would turn this around? Massive doses of mushrooms. Other 144 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:06.279 people in the supputing industry will say, okay, name something 145 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:08.600 mushroom and sell it. That wouldn't work for them. They 146 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:10.480 went and did research on how to get six or 147 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:13.439 seven sorts of mushrooms in this product. And when they 148 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.879 did that, it turned out to do that at home, 149 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:19.120 you'd need to eat about eighteen pounds of mushrooms in 150 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:21.560 a day. Picture eighteen pounds of mushrooms. There's no chance 151 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:24.240 you're gonna do that. So when they got it to 152 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:28.199 a final blend, they tried it themselves. Their brain scans changed. 153 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:32.519 Wade showed that in our program, his brain scan changed, 154 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.160 his memory centers came back. And that's just one product. 155 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:40.040 MAIG Means and Breakthrough is world famous for helping people 156 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:43.079 sleep and regularity and They just reformulated it for it 157 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:47.600 to be more absorbable. They never stop improving. So just 158 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:51.439 go to Bixterormeasures dot com, slash Todd, look through the products, 159 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:55.279 compare them with what you know your body needs. Subscribe 160 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.160 to the products and you never run out. You never 161 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:02.120 miss a product, and matt Way will give you exclusive discounts, 162 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:04.680 They'll give you free gifts, and they'll also send you 163 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:08.959 free information packs on how to optimize your biology, even 164 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:11.519 when it doesn't relate to products they sell. Sometimes it's 165 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:15.319 completely other companies bi Optimizers dot com, slash tood use 166 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:20.240 promo code Todd. So David these the fact that you 167 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.279 can fillprotest you dot com on such a regular basis 168 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:29.079 with these astonishing videos of heretics causing theological mischief, I 169 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:31.800 think you call it. That means to me that there 170 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:34.159 is a plethora of this stuff available. If you were 171 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:37.519 to guess in the churches in America, what percentage do 172 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:40.120 you think are biblically sound? I mean, there's some data 173 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:42.759 on this, but what do you think are biblically sound churches? 174 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:47.759 It's probably I would think around fifteen twenty percent, Yeah, 175 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:51.039 you know, maybe lower, depending on exactly where we draw 176 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:51.600 that line. 177 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:54.279 Yeah, there's a survey that's very famous that shows that 178 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:57.519 about fifteen percent of youth pastors have a biblical worldview. 179 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:00.559 That's the youth pastors, and that means that the distance 180 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.080 so obviously Satans at work in this he wants to 181 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:06.799 destroy christ Church. But talk about the politics and our 182 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:09.679 civic duty and and your view of this and pastors 183 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:13.879 and how you think they should be interacting politically, Well. 184 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.639 The challenge has always been in I mean, and I 185 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.159 speak specifically from an evangelical perspective as an evangelical, but 186 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:25.320 really in all all Christian churches, how how much should 187 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:30.720 politics and uh civic engagement be directly preached from the pulpit? 188 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:34.559 You know, pastors who who preach through the whole council 189 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.639 of God's Word, the whole council of the Bible, and 190 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:40.120 they do it faithfully and they don't dodge and pick 191 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:42.679 certain topics and not others depending on what the culture, 192 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:46.720 you know, the current cultural zeitgeist is, usually have flocks 193 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:50.519 that know how to then apply that to to their 194 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:53.799 political participation. You know, as as people who live in 195 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:57.320 a country that is self governed yep, where it is 196 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:01.039 the people who actually possess the the governmental political authority. 197 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.840 How do you navigate that within the church. 198 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:07.000 And now that the you know, as I like to say, 199 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:08.519 the bloom is off the roads as far as church 200 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:10.440 is trying to stay out of the culture, and they're 201 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:15.919 all becoming much more politically and civilly engaged. That presents 202 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:20.039 new opportunities for truth obviously to be applied to the culture, 203 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:22.519 but also a lot of opportunity for falsehoods to enter 204 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:25.960 the church by way of talking about culture and talking 205 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:26.759 about politics. 206 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:29.559 So you're so close to this, closer than I am. 207 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:33.720 And I'm always curious about what how many of these 208 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:36.440 pastors know they're faking it? You know, we had a 209 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:39.080 pastor at our church, a former Lutheran church in Seattle. 210 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:43.360 I'm an evangelical non donam, and we found out he'd 211 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:45.360 been trained in one of the sooral schools, so he 212 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:49.000 was a shepherd for sale. And they had this great deal. 213 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:51.480 They're going to pay seventy five percent of his salary. 214 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:53.080 And there were plenty of us in the church body 215 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.840 who fought against this, and ultimately the church made a 216 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:58.120 bad decision and they hired the guy David I kid you, 217 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:04.480 not his sermons always contain quotes from South Park, a 218 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:09.919 blatantly at least antagonistic to Christ, if not anti christ show, 219 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:12.759 given the way they treated the Lord Jesus every sermon. 220 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:16.399 And I saw that this guy came in and that 221 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.120 the church body was decimated and some people stayed, but 222 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.799 it became then this political church. And I always wanted 223 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.039 to ask him, do you know your false teacher? I mean, 224 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:28.320 do you know that you are making yourself an enemy 225 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.159 of the Lord Jesus. Talk me through this. How many 226 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:32.720 these people actually know they're lying? 227 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:36.320 You never really know, You never really know. But the 228 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:40.279 thing is, we're not called to know necessarily the motives 229 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:43.000 of another person's heart. We are called to judge what 230 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:45.519 they say and what they practice and what they promote. 231 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.720 That's something that is a requirement of every Christian, every 232 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:50.639 Christian is and that's one of the ways that we 233 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:52.720 love each other as believers, is we hold one another 234 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.320 accountable for what's being taught, what's being promoted, what's being done. 235 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.879 And so, yeah, you're gonna have some false teachers who 236 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.440 are knowingly false teachers. They know they're deceiving, they know 237 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:06.519 they're in it for personal gain and to make themselves 238 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:08.279 famous or rich or whatever. And then you're gonna have 239 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:11.600 some that are they're self deceived. They really don't know. 240 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:14.840 They actually think they're doing what's right. You know, Jesus 241 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:16.679 talked about this in Matthew seven when he said that 242 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:18.559 there will be those on the last day that say, 243 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:20.600 Lord Lord, did we not do all these things in 244 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:20.960 your name? 245 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:21.960 Did we not prophesy? 246 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:25.159 And basically they list all these great works and he says, yeah, 247 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:27.960 depart from me. I never knew you. And then he 248 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.399 defines it. He says, depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. 249 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:34.120 So he says, this is how you will know. This 250 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:36.559 is how you will know that you were not mine, 251 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:38.759 that you are not preaching the true Christ. You are 252 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:42.679 not teaching true doctrine. Is the works of lawlessness that 253 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:43.639 are the evidence of that. 254 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:46.200 So this ruins us back. I think two, we're talking 255 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:51.159 about Denver becoming sataalized and lawlessness, and again it's politics 256 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:54.440 and faith meeting. I tend to believe that Satan runs 257 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:58.080 his organization like a military outfit. Right, He's the supreme leader. 258 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.559 He's got bosses of ten and bosses of hundreds, and 259 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:05.279 there's no debate. Satan runs things, and I think he 260 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:09.120 takes test runs, so I tend to believe he is 261 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.279 right now prepping the world for the arrival of the 262 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:14.600 lawless one, which to me brings us back to pastors 263 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:18.080 on the pulpit. How do they approach this without making 264 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.440 every single sermon a discussion of this bill or that bill, 265 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:24.960 or this politician or that politician. I have my view, 266 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:27.679 what's yours? If you get down to the actual act 267 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:30.879 of standing in front of your congregation, how would you 268 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:35.000 advise pastors to address things like the open lawlessness in Denver, 269 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:37.879 letting you know, homeless people sees houses. 270 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:38.720 And et cetera. 271 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:44.399 It's they they need to not fear the culture. The 272 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.000 word of God, the Bible speaks into every one of 273 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:49.639 these issues, every one of There's there's no new sin 274 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:52.759 under the sun, right, So while while we might feel 275 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:55.759 like what we're going through is brand new, nobody's ever 276 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:58.679 experienced this before. It's never happened. That's that's not true. 277 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:02.600 And the Bible, which God very much designed to be 278 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:05.600 for all of time, that an immovable truth speaks into 279 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.879 all of it. So I always encourage pastors continue to 280 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.519 preach the truth and be responsive. 281 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:13.240 I mean, you can be responsive. 282 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.679 To what's going on in the lives of the congregation, 283 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:20.120 and that that involves being being informed about what's going 284 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.840 on out there and then preach the unapologetic Word of 285 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:27.360 God into those circumstances. And the problem is pastors are 286 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:29.240 very often afraid to do it for those reasons. They're 287 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:31.519 they're going to offend somebody. And it's like, yeah, but 288 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:33.600 you're you're a preacher of the Word of God. You're 289 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.039 going to offend somebody. 290 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:38.559 That's it. It's going to offend a godless culture obviously. 291 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:40.720 Well, and I think you know if you look at 292 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:43.960 protesta dot com and Devenrol the publisher, there are people 293 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:46.519 who are going to watch these pastors and they're going 294 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:48.679 to be offended. On the behalf of Jesus christis other 295 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:51.320 people who are offended that you're bringing light to this. 296 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:55.000 This always astonishes me that people say things in public right, 297 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.480 and they're in their bubble think in their bubble world, 298 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:01.200 and then you simply popularize it, right, popularize it here 299 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:05.000 you go, what do you want pastors to be doing 300 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.320 in eldership, in church shepherding, Because you have a friend 301 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:12.679 of us who wrote a book Shepherd's for sale how 302 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.399 do church leadership bodies, and we're part of that body, 303 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.639 as the members of a church, how do they look 304 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:23.080 for signs that the church is being politicized or being 305 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:24.320 made heretical. 306 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:28.000 It's it can be tough, it can be tough, but 307 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:33.360 it's it's the Bible encourages every Christian. I mean, the 308 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:38.080 responsibility to discipline the church is the responsibility of all believers. 309 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:40.039 I mean, that's certainly what I believe, and I think 310 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:41.879 that's that's what the Bible supports, and I think that 311 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:44.039 that's what churches should do. But we have to remember 312 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:48.679 that that pastors are not in an elevated status of 313 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:51.919 spiritual authority. They are they're brothers among us, They're among 314 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:54.000 the flock. You know, the Bible says, shepherd the flock 315 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.600 among you, and so they they should be afforded the benefit. 316 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:01.480 It really is a benefit of having the rest of 317 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:04.679 the church around them watching their back. And we like 318 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:08.080 as Christians, we need other Christians to watch our backs 319 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:09.840 and tell us when we're doing something wrong and be 320 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.600 willing to love us enough to challenge us. You know, 321 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:15.559 a big part of the reason we challenge, you know, 322 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:17.960 guys that we think are teaching falsely or people that 323 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:19.639 are doing things in the name of Christ that are 324 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:21.840 that are not biblical and are not Christian. 325 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:22.919 Is because we love them. 326 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.039 It seems like it seems like, well, if you love them, 327 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:28.240 you wouldn't challenge them. But the Bible very much is 328 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:31.840 in support of challenging, challenging people who you love. Yeah, 329 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:34.960 it's an exercise of Christian love to watch our pastors 330 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:37.759 back they need. I mean, pastors are out there kind 331 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:39.519 of floating in the wind sometimes feeling like if I 332 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:41.279 don't do the right thing from the pulpit. 333 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:42.919 Or I don't have the music of the right volume, 334 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:44.840 or the carpet the right color or whatever I'm going 335 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:46.200 to get, I'm going to get torched. 336 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:48.159 Right, These people are going to fire me, They're going 337 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:51.120 to kick me out, and so it's very unstable. They 338 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:54.240 need to know that if you're faithful to preach the Word, 339 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:56.799 you're faithful to preach the full council of the Word 340 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.360 into the culture, that there are other men and women 341 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:01.320 in your church that love you and they have your 342 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:03.799 back and they'll go to the map for you. It's 343 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:06.720 really important that they know that they're not our employee, 344 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:10.519 that they are our fellow believer and that we're they 345 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:11.160 have our support. 346 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:11.559 Yep. 347 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:13.480 And I think the Bible, man, I know, the Bible 348 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:17.240 teaches us that we can learn to know the Good 349 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:18.079 Shepherd's voice. 350 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:18.559 Right. 351 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:21.240 The Lord Jesus said, my sheep know my voice. Right, 352 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:24.240 I'm the good Shepherd. So when we spend time in 353 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:27.799 his words on a consistent basis and around more mature Christians, 354 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:30.759 people who have gone through a longer or maybe they're 355 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:34.359 faster learners than their spiritual walks, everybody learns differently. We 356 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:36.799 learned the voice of the Lord Jesus, the Good Shepherd. 357 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:40.000 I think this is an ultimate defense when a church 358 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:43.119 will start to fall. Let me give you some personal 359 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:47.160 examples you can have in this society where Satan is 360 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:52.440 just just abusing kids with gender confusion. You'll have a 361 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:54.839 teenager who might come home and say, yeah, well, Mom, 362 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:57.759 what do you know? You're a SIS woman. The first 363 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.680 time you hear your teenagers say, you need to stop 364 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:02.720 and say it. Wait, hold on a second, what does 365 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:05.559 that mean? Sis? What does that mean? 366 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:05.960 Explain? 367 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:08.799 And you know, but this means that your child has 368 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:12.240 begun speaking the language of the enemy. So when our 369 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:16.960 church fell, it was preceded by one of our pastors 370 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:23.119 who began doing sermons about the earth. And I sat 371 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:25.440 and listened to a sermon one day about the earth, 372 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:29.839 and he sprinkled in some Jesus. You know, that's the 373 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:34.039 here's my view. I want climate change legislation, Let's sprinkle 374 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:38.000 some Jesus on top of that. And then a sermon 375 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:44.079 that didn't contain a single word of God. And I did. 376 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.799 What you're supposed to do is to go personally to 377 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:50.240 the pastor and say, I'm pretty disturbed that was a 378 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:53.279 political speech. You didn't contain the word of God at all. 379 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:57.200 So are there signs like that that we can see 380 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:00.759 in our churches that are their key words or key phrases, 381 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:04.359 or is there a line of attack the enemies using 382 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:07.720 those commonly to get pastors to spread lies. 383 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:12.039 Well, certainly it's you know, christ As Christians, we were 384 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:15.839 kind of predisposed to try to be understanding, to try 385 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:19.240 to hope all things, and to assume anything that's being 386 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:22.079 you know, pushed in or or promoted. 387 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:22.759 In the name of Jesus. 388 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:26.240 We were we've kind of been trained to not to 389 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:28.960 back off and not really judge that in the way 390 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:32.279 that we should. And so the the these worldly ideologies, 391 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:35.039 these ideologies that are not found in scripture, they're found 392 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:39.039 outside of scripture, very often found in you know, long 393 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:43.359 standing worldviews that oppose a biblical worldview. They sneak in 394 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:46.839 on that basis. So we we when when a pastor 395 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:49.039 is preaching from the Word of God, when they're actually 396 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:51.400 taking the meaning of the text and teaching that we 397 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:53.839 call that exo Jesus. They're explaining the meaning of the text. 398 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:57.079 But what you're describing in in this situation was what 399 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:00.480 we would call is of Jesus. They're reading outside meaning 400 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:02.599 into the text, and it sounds like in this case 401 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:04.319