Speaker 1: At the forefront when you first see it. Protest you
Speaker 1: dot com and their counterpart on Twitter is a place
Speaker 1: where you can find amazing videos like this well sort
Speaker 1: of pastor showing that he can walk on air. That's
Speaker 1: the work of Protestia dot com and it is also
Speaker 1: though the tip of what they do. They are an
Speaker 1: organization headed by a guy named David Morrel who joins
Speaker 1: us today, and if you read further down the line,
Speaker 1: he's a deeply theological man who has paid a price
Speaker 1: for speaking his mind, both as a National Guard member
Speaker 1: and as a citizen, and he's gladly paid that price.
Speaker 1: He joins us today with the courtesy of our YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash at The Todd Herman Show ends
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Speaker 2: Here's the Emeralds City Exit God her Man.
Speaker 1: Today is to day the Lord has made, and these
Speaker 1: are the times to which God has decided we shall live.
Speaker 1: David Merril joins us live from Denver, Colorado, a city
Speaker 1: that has been Seattlezed David, appreciate you being here. Thank
Speaker 1: you man, thanks for having me on the show. Todd
Speaker 1: loved to see you. Yeah, good to see you. Love
Speaker 1: your hat, love what you're doing at protest to you
Speaker 1: dot com. Let's start real quick, just by groundsetting that
Speaker 1: you're a guy who's paid a cost for free speech.
Speaker 1: And I know the podcast family will appreciate this because
Speaker 1: people who are willing to pay these prices I think
Speaker 1: means something to us. So talk about what happened to
Speaker 1: you as a National Guard member.
Speaker 3: Well so, and then first I should say that nothing
Speaker 3: I say represents the army or the Colorado National Guard.
Speaker 4: But yeah, well I gotta say that.
Speaker 3: You gotta put that out there, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: they really require that, Okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Back in twenty twenty two, I was doing this, the
Speaker 3: Protestingest podcast actually with a pastor friend of mine, JD. Hall,
Speaker 3: and we talk politics and we talked because you know,
Speaker 3: it's very much from a Christian conservative perspective, but we
Speaker 3: talk politics and we talk the ins and outs of
Speaker 3: how to navigate you know, the modern modern times and
Speaker 3: modern situations as Christians who want to be civilly engaged,
Speaker 3: civically engaged, politically engaged, and I said some stuff on
Speaker 3: that podcast again off duty as a National Guardsman. We're
Speaker 3: on duty, then we're off duty, and I'm off duty
Speaker 3: and kind of irregular clothes like I am now probably
Speaker 3: wearing the same hat or something else, and I said
Speaker 3: some things that then somebody reported to the guard PAO
Speaker 3: and they decided to punish me. So they actually punished
Speaker 3: me militarily for the content, not not just that I
Speaker 3: said something, but the content of what I said, and
Speaker 3: accused me of being a racist in an official memorandum.
Speaker 3: Accused me of being racist. And it was because I
Speaker 3: said that I didn't see the evidence that George Floyd
Speaker 3: was targeted because of his race, not that he wasn't,
Speaker 3: but just that I didn't see the evidence.
Speaker 1: I said, you didn't see the evidence.
Speaker 4: Right, That's exactly what I said.
Speaker 3: I I don't see the evidence George Floyd targeted because
Speaker 3: of his race. But the funny thing is Keith Ellison,
Speaker 3: who prosecuted Derek Chauvin, said the same thing. The extremely
Speaker 3: liberal prosecutor that put Derek Chauvin in prison didn't charge
Speaker 3: him with a hate crime because he didn't see the
Speaker 3: evidence that Floyd was targeted because of his race. I
Speaker 3: said the same thing. I got punished for it, and
Speaker 3: I wasn't even on duty. Has nothing to do with
Speaker 3: the military. So it's just kind of crazy times in
Speaker 3: terms of the free speech that we're living in. And
Speaker 3: for me, at least, my heart is to what can
Speaker 3: I do to help service members be able to not
Speaker 3: have this.
Speaker 4: Happen to them.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm pretty old as far as military goes, but
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about the younger guy who can't afford to fight.
Speaker 4: I can afford to fight.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I love that you think of it that way, and
Speaker 1: you did sue for your First Amendment rights right, didn't
Speaker 1: have a lawsuit.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's in the Colorado of District Court as we speak.
Speaker 1: All right, let's try this video again, this pastor walking
Speaker 1: on air, to see if you're convinced and perhaps you'll
Speaker 1: end up following this church.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 1: This is from Protestia dot Com. That looks like the
Speaker 1: Brady Bunch set.
Speaker 4: I thought, sooks good, go beautifully well shot.
Speaker 1: My goodness, they spared no expense.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Like the Lord Jesus himself competer walk on water. Do
Speaker 1: you ever get people angry at you? Do you ever
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Speaker 1: Do you ever get in touch with you and get
Speaker 1: angry with you.
Speaker 4: Yes, usually not out in the open.
Speaker 3: Usually it's a private message or something, or every once
Speaker 3: in a while we'll get a seasoned desist.
Speaker 4: We like to call them nasty grams.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, we just we ignore them where we put
Speaker 3: them on the wall or something.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is a tip of the sphere way
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Speaker 1: and I want to talk through some of the more
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Speaker 1: can fillprotest you dot com on such a regular basis
Speaker 1: with these astonishing videos of heretics causing theological mischief, I
Speaker 1: think you call it. That means to me that there
Speaker 1: is a plethora of this stuff available. If you were
Speaker 1: to guess in the churches in America, what percentage do
Speaker 1: you think are biblically sound? I mean, there's some data
Speaker 1: on this, but what do you think are biblically sound churches?
Speaker 3: It's probably I would think around fifteen twenty percent, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe lower, depending on exactly where we draw
Speaker 3: that line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a survey that's very famous that shows that
Speaker 1: about fifteen percent of youth pastors have a biblical worldview.
Speaker 1: That's the youth pastors, and that means that the distance
Speaker 1: so obviously Satans at work in this he wants to
Speaker 1: destroy christ Church. But talk about the politics and our
Speaker 1: civic duty and and your view of this and pastors
Speaker 1: and how you think they should be interacting politically, Well.
Speaker 3: The challenge has always been in I mean, and I
Speaker 3: speak specifically from an evangelical perspective as an evangelical, but
Speaker 3: really in all all Christian churches, how how much should
Speaker 3: politics and uh civic engagement be directly preached from the pulpit?
Speaker 3: You know, pastors who who preach through the whole council
Speaker 3: of God's Word, the whole council of the Bible, and
Speaker 3: they do it faithfully and they don't dodge and pick
Speaker 3: certain topics and not others depending on what the culture,
Speaker 3: you know, the current cultural zeitgeist is, usually have flocks
Speaker 3: that know how to then apply that to to their
Speaker 3: political participation. You know, as as people who live in
Speaker 3: a country that is self governed yep, where it is
Speaker 3: the people who actually possess the the governmental political authority.
Speaker 4: How do you navigate that within the church.
Speaker 3: And now that the you know, as I like to say,
Speaker 3: the bloom is off the roads as far as church
Speaker 3: is trying to stay out of the culture, and they're
Speaker 3: all becoming much more politically and civilly engaged. That presents
Speaker 3: new opportunities for truth obviously to be applied to the culture,
Speaker 3: but also a lot of opportunity for falsehoods to enter
Speaker 3: the church by way of talking about culture and talking
Speaker 3: about politics.
Speaker 1: So you're so close to this, closer than I am.
Speaker 1: And I'm always curious about what how many of these
Speaker 1: pastors know they're faking it? You know, we had a
Speaker 1: pastor at our church, a former Lutheran church in Seattle.
Speaker 1: I'm an evangelical non donam, and we found out he'd
Speaker 1: been trained in one of the sooral schools, so he
Speaker 1: was a shepherd for sale. And they had this great deal.
Speaker 1: They're going to pay seventy five percent of his salary.
Speaker 1: And there were plenty of us in the church body
Speaker 1: who fought against this, and ultimately the church made a
Speaker 1: bad decision and they hired the guy David I kid you,
Speaker 1: not his sermons always contain quotes from South Park, a
Speaker 1: blatantly at least antagonistic to Christ, if not anti christ show,
Speaker 1: given the way they treated the Lord Jesus every sermon.
Speaker 1: And I saw that this guy came in and that
Speaker 1: the church body was decimated and some people stayed, but
Speaker 1: it became then this political church. And I always wanted
Speaker 1: to ask him, do you know your false teacher? I mean,
Speaker 1: do you know that you are making yourself an enemy
Speaker 1: of the Lord Jesus. Talk me through this. How many
Speaker 1: these people actually know they're lying?
Speaker 3: You never really know, You never really know. But the
Speaker 3: thing is, we're not called to know necessarily the motives
Speaker 3: of another person's heart. We are called to judge what
Speaker 3: they say and what they practice and what they promote.
Speaker 3: That's something that is a requirement of every Christian, every
Speaker 3: Christian is and that's one of the ways that we
Speaker 3: love each other as believers, is we hold one another
Speaker 3: accountable for what's being taught, what's being promoted, what's being done.
Speaker 3: And so, yeah, you're gonna have some false teachers who
Speaker 3: are knowingly false teachers. They know they're deceiving, they know
Speaker 3: they're in it for personal gain and to make themselves
Speaker 3: famous or rich or whatever. And then you're gonna have
Speaker 3: some that are they're self deceived. They really don't know.
Speaker 3: They actually think they're doing what's right. You know, Jesus
Speaker 3: talked about this in Matthew seven when he said that
Speaker 3: there will be those on the last day that say,
Speaker 3: Lord Lord, did we not do all these things in
Speaker 3: your name?
Speaker 4: Did we not prophesy?
Speaker 3: And basically they list all these great works and he says, yeah,
Speaker 3: depart from me. I never knew you. And then he
Speaker 3: defines it. He says, depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.
Speaker 3: So he says, this is how you will know. This
Speaker 3: is how you will know that you were not mine,
Speaker 3: that you are not preaching the true Christ. You are
Speaker 3: not teaching true doctrine. Is the works of lawlessness that
Speaker 3: are the evidence of that.
Speaker 1: So this ruins us back. I think two, we're talking
Speaker 1: about Denver becoming sataalized and lawlessness, and again it's politics
Speaker 1: and faith meeting. I tend to believe that Satan runs
Speaker 1: his organization like a military outfit. Right, He's the supreme leader.
Speaker 1: He's got bosses of ten and bosses of hundreds, and
Speaker 1: there's no debate. Satan runs things, and I think he
Speaker 1: takes test runs, so I tend to believe he is
Speaker 1: right now prepping the world for the arrival of the
Speaker 1: lawless one, which to me brings us back to pastors
Speaker 1: on the pulpit. How do they approach this without making
Speaker 1: every single sermon a discussion of this bill or that bill,
Speaker 1: or this politician or that politician. I have my view,
Speaker 1: what's yours? If you get down to the actual act
Speaker 1: of standing in front of your congregation, how would you
Speaker 1: advise pastors to address things like the open lawlessness in Denver,
Speaker 1: letting you know, homeless people sees houses.
Speaker 4: And et cetera.
Speaker 3: It's they they need to not fear the culture. The
Speaker 3: word of God, the Bible speaks into every one of
Speaker 3: these issues, every one of There's there's no new sin
Speaker 3: under the sun, right, So while while we might feel
Speaker 3: like what we're going through is brand new, nobody's ever
Speaker 3: experienced this before. It's never happened. That's that's not true.
Speaker 3: And the Bible, which God very much designed to be
Speaker 3: for all of time, that an immovable truth speaks into
Speaker 3: all of it. So I always encourage pastors continue to
Speaker 3: preach the truth and be responsive.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can be responsive.
Speaker 3: To what's going on in the lives of the congregation,
Speaker 3: and that that involves being being informed about what's going
Speaker 3: on out there and then preach the unapologetic Word of
Speaker 3: God into those circumstances. And the problem is pastors are
Speaker 3: very often afraid to do it for those reasons. They're
Speaker 3: they're going to offend somebody. And it's like, yeah, but
Speaker 3: you're you're a preacher of the Word of God. You're
Speaker 3: going to offend somebody.
Speaker 4: That's it. It's going to offend a godless culture obviously.
Speaker 1: Well, and I think you know if you look at
Speaker 1: protesta dot com and Devenrol the publisher, there are people
Speaker 1: who are going to watch these pastors and they're going
Speaker 1: to be offended. On the behalf of Jesus christis other
Speaker 1: people who are offended that you're bringing light to this.
Speaker 1: This always astonishes me that people say things in public right,
Speaker 1: and they're in their bubble think in their bubble world,
Speaker 1: and then you simply popularize it, right, popularize it here
Speaker 1: you go, what do you want pastors to be doing
Speaker 1: in eldership, in church shepherding, Because you have a friend
Speaker 1: of us who wrote a book Shepherd's for sale how
Speaker 1: do church leadership bodies, and we're part of that body,
Speaker 1: as the members of a church, how do they look
Speaker 1: for signs that the church is being politicized or being
Speaker 1: made heretical.
Speaker 3: It's it can be tough, it can be tough, but
Speaker 3: it's it's the Bible encourages every Christian. I mean, the
Speaker 3: responsibility to discipline the church is the responsibility of all believers.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's certainly what I believe, and I think
Speaker 3: that's that's what the Bible supports, and I think that
Speaker 3: that's what churches should do. But we have to remember
Speaker 3: that that pastors are not in an elevated status of
Speaker 3: spiritual authority. They are they're brothers among us, They're among
Speaker 3: the flock. You know, the Bible says, shepherd the flock
Speaker 3: among you, and so they they should be afforded the benefit.
Speaker 3: It really is a benefit of having the rest of
Speaker 3: the church around them watching their back. And we like
Speaker 3: as Christians, we need other Christians to watch our backs
Speaker 3: and tell us when we're doing something wrong and be
Speaker 3: willing to love us enough to challenge us. You know,
Speaker 3: a big part of the reason we challenge, you know,
Speaker 3: guys that we think are teaching falsely or people that
Speaker 3: are doing things in the name of Christ that are
Speaker 3: that are not biblical and are not Christian.
Speaker 4: Is because we love them.
Speaker 3: It seems like it seems like, well, if you love them,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't challenge them. But the Bible very much is
Speaker 3: in support of challenging, challenging people who you love. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's an exercise of Christian love to watch our pastors
Speaker 3: back they need. I mean, pastors are out there kind
Speaker 3: of floating in the wind sometimes feeling like if I
Speaker 3: don't do the right thing from the pulpit.
Speaker 4: Or I don't have the music of the right volume,
Speaker 4: or the carpet the right color or whatever I'm going
Speaker 4: to get, I'm going to get torched.
Speaker 3: Right, These people are going to fire me, They're going
Speaker 3: to kick me out, and so it's very unstable. They
Speaker 3: need to know that if you're faithful to preach the Word,
Speaker 3: you're faithful to preach the full council of the Word
Speaker 3: into the culture, that there are other men and women
Speaker 3: in your church that love you and they have your
Speaker 3: back and they'll go to the map for you. It's
Speaker 3: really important that they know that they're not our employee,
Speaker 3: that they are our fellow believer and that we're they
Speaker 3: have our support.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: And I think the Bible, man, I know, the Bible
Speaker 1: teaches us that we can learn to know the Good
Speaker 1: Shepherd's voice.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: The Lord Jesus said, my sheep know my voice. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm the good Shepherd. So when we spend time in
Speaker 1: his words on a consistent basis and around more mature Christians,
Speaker 1: people who have gone through a longer or maybe they're
Speaker 1: faster learners than their spiritual walks, everybody learns differently. We
Speaker 1: learned the voice of the Lord Jesus, the Good Shepherd.
Speaker 1: I think this is an ultimate defense when a church
Speaker 1: will start to fall. Let me give you some personal
Speaker 1: examples you can have in this society where Satan is
Speaker 1: just just abusing kids with gender confusion. You'll have a
Speaker 1: teenager who might come home and say, yeah, well, Mom,
Speaker 1: what do you know? You're a SIS woman. The first
Speaker 1: time you hear your teenagers say, you need to stop
Speaker 1: and say it. Wait, hold on a second, what does
Speaker 1: that mean? Sis? What does that mean?
Speaker 4: Explain?
Speaker 1: And you know, but this means that your child has
Speaker 1: begun speaking the language of the enemy. So when our
Speaker 1: church fell, it was preceded by one of our pastors
Speaker 1: who began doing sermons about the earth. And I sat
Speaker 1: and listened to a sermon one day about the earth,
Speaker 1: and he sprinkled in some Jesus. You know, that's the
Speaker 1: here's my view. I want climate change legislation, Let's sprinkle
Speaker 1: some Jesus on top of that. And then a sermon
Speaker 1: that didn't contain a single word of God. And I did.
Speaker 1: What you're supposed to do is to go personally to
Speaker 1: the pastor and say, I'm pretty disturbed that was a
Speaker 1: political speech. You didn't contain the word of God at all.
Speaker 1: So are there signs like that that we can see
Speaker 1: in our churches that are their key words or key phrases,
Speaker 1: or is there a line of attack the enemies using
Speaker 1: those commonly to get pastors to spread lies.
Speaker 3: Well, certainly it's you know, christ As Christians, we were
Speaker 3: kind of predisposed to try to be understanding, to try
Speaker 3: to hope all things, and to assume anything that's being
Speaker 3: you know, pushed in or or promoted.
Speaker 4: In the name of Jesus.
Speaker 3: We were we've kind of been trained to not to
Speaker 3: back off and not really judge that in the way
Speaker 3: that we should. And so the the these worldly ideologies,
Speaker 3: these ideologies that are not found in scripture, they're found
Speaker 3: outside of scripture, very often found in you know, long
Speaker 3: standing worldviews that oppose a biblical worldview. They sneak in
Speaker 3: on that basis. So we we when when a pastor
Speaker 3: is preaching from the Word of God, when they're actually
Speaker 3: taking the meaning of the text and teaching that we
Speaker 3: call that exo Jesus. They're explaining the meaning of the text.
Speaker 3: But what you're describing in in this situation was what
Speaker 3: we would call is of Jesus. They're reading outside meaning
Speaker 3: into the text, and it sounds like in this case
Speaker 3: it's just like, well, I'm going to say Jesus a
Speaker 3: few times and sort of try to christianize, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so for the guy in the pews, it's basically
Speaker 3: be aware of these godless ideologies that are out there.
Speaker 3: Be aware of the godlessness of modern climate change ideology,
Speaker 3: the godlessness of modern gender ideology, the godlessness of modern
Speaker 3: race ideology, and in critical race theory, these kinds of things.
Speaker 4: Be aware of what those are.
Speaker 3: So that when you hear something that's being said being
Speaker 3: done in the name of Jesus or taught in the
Speaker 3: name of Jesus. But you recognize the content is not
Speaker 3: biblical and it actually matches with one of these other
Speaker 3: unbiblical ideologies, that's the time to do exactly what you
Speaker 3: did and question him and say you didn't get that
Speaker 3: from the Bible, Where did that come from?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I've been a proponed to the idea that the most
Speaker 1: powerful form of propaganda is something called the propaganda of silence.
Speaker 1: So if yes, no one discusses it, then how do
Speaker 1: you know it's happening. So this is used by the
Speaker 1: mockingbird media all the time, the propaganda of silence. Our
Speaker 1: media here is really loath to report on what Elon
Speaker 1: Musk did when he lit this flame in England by
Speaker 1: actually drawing attention back to this insane scandal of these
Speaker 1: gangs of Pakistani men going and sexually assaulting girls and
Speaker 1: grooming them and turning them out right, that he has
Speaker 1: lit this flightman, Now there's this outrage. The power of
Speaker 1: the mockingbird media here is to say, yeah, we're not
Speaker 1: going to talk about that. They did this with the
Speaker 1: lies of transgenderism. Oh that's not happening. There's no sex
Speaker 1: at in the schools. They just ignored it. I think
Speaker 1: it's harder to look at a church body and observe that, wait,
Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about the definition of marriage.
Speaker 1: We're not going to revisit this. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a big deal abortion. The left tried to make that
Speaker 1: a huge election issue, and we're not going to talk
Speaker 1: about the sanctity of life. Do you think that's a
Speaker 1: harder challenge for people in the pews that they have
Speaker 1: to now observe the silence and then maybe go ask like, hey,
Speaker 1: why are we.
Speaker 4: Silent on this? Yeah? Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: It is because again, I mean, you want to trust
Speaker 3: your pastor you want to trust the people that you
Speaker 3: believe God has placed in these positions. And so when
Speaker 3: they sin, and they will their men and you know,
Speaker 3: they're the regular guys when they sin or they air
Speaker 3: a lot of churches and the thing is you don't
Speaker 3: see it until it's too late. But a lot of
Speaker 3: churches let in the church members, let this go on,
Speaker 3: Let this go on and metastasize until it's too late,
Speaker 3: and now there's a church split or it's too late
Speaker 3: and now there's a sex scandal from the pulpit, and
Speaker 3: that entire time that man placed in that position was
Speaker 3: basically robbed of the benefits of having his fellow believers
Speaker 3: hold him accountable. He needed that, and a lot of
Speaker 3: churches deny it to him because it's it's hard work
Speaker 3: challenging somebody, especially somebody who who everybody else sees as
Speaker 3: as the leader and they and they are they're supposed
Speaker 3: to be leading within that congregation. Challenging that person sometimes
Speaker 3: comes with a significant cost. I mean, and a lot
Speaker 3: of us that have done this kind of work, I mean,
Speaker 3: we know we've paid that cost. Like our church is
Speaker 3: a Southern Baptist church, and I mean the Southern Baptist Convention,
Speaker 3: and the guys that run that won't pick up the
Speaker 3: phone for me, you know, like I'm I'm for son
Speaker 3: and on grata over there. But that's the price that
Speaker 3: sometimes has to be paid to be to be willing
Speaker 3: to challenge when it needs to happen, even though it's
Speaker 3: an exercise of love.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: And I've pointed this out that there's people who are
Speaker 1: not church going Christians, or maybe I would refer to
Speaker 1: as as cultural Christians or ethnic Christians. And my family
Speaker 1: is Christian, therefore I think I'm Christian. They won't necessarily
Speaker 1: know the name like JD. Greer, I mean Pastor Greer.
Speaker 1: I have some of his books at home, Win by Losing,
Speaker 1: and I actually think he has been God's worked through
Speaker 1: him phenomenally to grow that church and to make it
Speaker 1: a church that turns out disciples. So imagine my shock
Speaker 1: when I hear Pastor Greer saying, yeah, we should use
Speaker 1: the fake pronouns and we should respect that. And I
Speaker 1: know the answer spiritually, it is the deceiver, the distort
Speaker 1: or Satan himself who's causing this. But how did the
Speaker 1: Southern Baptist Convention, I mean, how did people there not
Speaker 1: notice that they were going so far off the rails
Speaker 1: in so many ways?
Speaker 3: Well, in the Southern Baptist Convention, because it's not a
Speaker 3: denomination and churches are churches are autonomous, then kind of
Speaker 3: do what they want, but like to use JD.
Speaker 4: Grew.
Speaker 3: He's a pastor out in North Carolina, a big I
Speaker 3: mean megachurch, multi sit megachurch, recommended using preferred pronouns, and
Speaker 3: I for him, it's interesting because I don't think it
Speaker 3: was this church that really kind of got him back on,
Speaker 3: because he repented of that later, he.
Speaker 4: Quit doing that later.
Speaker 3: I think it was actually the the you know websites
Speaker 3: like hours and the Information Age and the Internet then
Speaker 3: exposed this and and and helped bring to bear just
Speaker 3: common sense wisdom. You know, I'm basically saying, hey, you know,
Speaker 3: preferred pronouns are lying. You know, you're not permitted to
Speaker 3: bear false witness just to make somebody feel you be
Speaker 3: the first.
Speaker 1: Person I've met actually repeats that to me, like, I
Speaker 1: can't lie. And I defended my pastory. He'd said about
Speaker 1: the injections, Well, look, if you're told to take him,
Speaker 1: if to take him, and I had to say to
Speaker 1: my pastor, no, I'm going to write you a piece
Speaker 1: on this. These are not vaccines.
Speaker 4: This is a lie.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to inject my body with a lie,
Speaker 1: just like the mask is a lie.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm going to an even thing word doing.
Speaker 3: I mean, Biblically speaking, we bodily autonomy is a biblically
Speaker 3: derived right for human beings.
Speaker 4: You don't.
Speaker 3: You don't have a right to tell me how to
Speaker 3: stay healthy. That's actually a responsibility God gave to me,
Speaker 3: and the responsibility God gave to me for my family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, super super well said, So, I want to get
Speaker 1: to the work of a guy named Andy Stanley. Here
Speaker 1: at a second with David Morrel Moral and I want
Speaker 1: you to talk about some of the bigger person You
Speaker 1: wrote a great piece and kind of reviewing a friend
Speaker 1: of yours book Shepherd's for Sale, which is an important
Speaker 1: book we should talk about. So in a second I
Speaker 1: want to show people this and the Stanley video because
Speaker 1: this is the fear of Oh gosh, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: called bad names. And we'll continue this discussion with David.
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Speaker 1: Stanley compares Christians calling Democrats evil to well, let's see
Speaker 1: if y'all can guess.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 5: Political affiliation has become the litmus test for orthodoxy. I
Speaker 5: hope you haven't seen this, but let me just tell
Speaker 5: you what I'm about to tell you is not kind
Speaker 5: of off in a corner. This is main line speaking
Speaker 5: and posting, and books are written in chapters and books
Speaker 5: are written about this right now. The current thing for
Speaker 5: the last three or four years is that you can't.
Speaker 5: I was going to put this on the screen, but
Speaker 5: there are things I should never put on a screen
Speaker 5: to have a picture taken because anyway, so you know
Speaker 5: what the messaging is now, this isn't in the corner.
Speaker 5: These are If I name the people who are saying
Speaker 5: these things, you've heard of most of them.
Speaker 1: You've read some of their books.
Speaker 5: That you can't be a Christian and be a Democrat.
Speaker 5: You you can't possibly be a true Christian if you're
Speaker 5: a Democrat, which is absolutely absurd.
Speaker 1: But what's even more absurd.
Speaker 5: Is as conservative Christians Republicans demonize democrats, all democrats, and
Speaker 5: you can't possibly be a Christian. As they demonize democrats,
Speaker 5: they basically go against one of Jesus' primary teachings. Instead
Speaker 5: of loving their enemies, all these lost democrats, they demonize them.
Speaker 5: They make democrats the enemy. And what did Jesus tell
Speaker 5: us to do with our enemies. Anybody, remember, Yeah, So
Speaker 5: let me just say that those of you who are
Speaker 5: conservative politically like me.
Speaker 1: If you do that, stop it.
Speaker 5: You can disagree, but you don't write somebody off as
Speaker 5: bad and evil. Here's why you think it's just think
Speaker 5: it's just kind of funny. You study history. All that
Speaker 5: has to happen in any country is for a majority
Speaker 5: to decide a minority is evil. And once they're evil,
Speaker 5: they're cockroaches, and they're rats.
Speaker 1: And cockroaches rats gets us too, of course, Nazi Germany. Hey,
Speaker 1: you guessed it. Congratulations, chicken dinner Winter. So who is
Speaker 1: this guy and why does Andy Stanley? I mean, he
Speaker 1: matters because he is created by God in his image,
Speaker 1: and we have that we are to love our enemies,
Speaker 1: absolutely right, But why does he have the footprint that
Speaker 1: he does and what is his influence?
Speaker 3: Well, so Andy Stanley is a another megachurch pastor down
Speaker 3: down in Georgia, but son of Charles Stanley, who was
Speaker 3: kind of a kind of a well known name and
Speaker 3: then sort of history of conservative evangelicalism. And then his
Speaker 3: son Andy starts his own church a little while ago,
Speaker 3: kind of build into a big empire. But Andy Stanley
Speaker 3: is in the category of what I would describe as
Speaker 3: seeker sensitive pastors seeker sensitive churches, which are churches that
Speaker 3: have basically designed themselves around appealing to unbelievers and lost
Speaker 3: people that come to visit the church. And not that
Speaker 3: there's anything wrong with evangelism or anything wrong with preaching
Speaker 3: the gospel, but that's actually not what church services are for.
Speaker 3: So what ends up happening is the what should be
Speaker 3: worship of God, preaching of the Word of God, the
Speaker 3: gathering of of of Christians together becomes it it becomes
Speaker 3: degraded as they start to change things in their church
Speaker 3: to appeal to the to the sensibilities of people that.
Speaker 4: Aren't followers of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: And so so I mean, I mean Andy Stanley's church
Speaker 3: has been They've they've they've gone soft on l g
Speaker 3: B t Q issues. They've they've gone soft on, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, the roles of men and women in ministry.
Speaker 3: They had a conference very recently that they didn't stream
Speaker 3: or anything like that because I think they knew what
Speaker 3: was going to happen. They basically have had told parents
Speaker 3: how to to handle their their l g B t
Speaker 3: Q identifying children not by telling them what God says
Speaker 3: and what the Bible says, but by affirming their feelings
Speaker 3: and affirming these things. How to how to basically minister
Speaker 3: to your quote unquote gay children. That's that's been a
Speaker 3: big part of what they do. But you saw in
Speaker 3: that Andy Stanley clip, he didn't he didn't really deal
Speaker 3: with the issue. He challenged the terms. This is a
Speaker 3: big problem not only in just our postmodern society, where
Speaker 3: people they don't actually talk about the idea in and
Speaker 3: of itself as strongly connected with the term. They deconstruct
Speaker 3: a term. So if someone says, you know, like, hey,
Speaker 3: democrats can't be Christian, well the next thing you should
Speaker 3: be asking is what do you mean by democrats and
Speaker 3: what do you mean by Christian? If you can really
Speaker 3: solidify those two things, now you can actually judge whether
Speaker 3: that statement is true or not. So if someone like
Speaker 3: me says, well, you can't be a Democrat and a Christian,
Speaker 3: what I'm really saying is you can't be a democrat
Speaker 3: as defined by democrat ideology and politics and believe those
Speaker 3: things in any sort of consistency with being a Bible
Speaker 3: believing Christian. That believes what the Bible teaches about things.
Speaker 3: Those two things are not compatible. Well Andy just throws
Speaker 3: that out the window, and he says, no democrat is
Speaker 3: just whatever somebody says it is if they say they're
Speaker 3: a democrat.
Speaker 1: There's a great very confusing, very confusing. There's a great
Speaker 1: book called the Gay Gospel. If you read this book.
Speaker 1: I haven't read it, okay, I know. So it's written
Speaker 1: by a guy who was a pastor and then he
Speaker 1: had these same sex attraction feelings. It haunted him and
Speaker 1: he gave in. So he and look, that's a super
Speaker 1: hard thing. Anyone who thinks it's not hard has never
Speaker 1: really really had a conflict of heart and emotionally romantically,
Speaker 1: never been through divorce or anything like that. I mean
Speaker 1: things are hard sometimes. Or saying no to a relationship
Speaker 1: that you shouldn't have, like, it's hard. So he fell
Speaker 1: and he then had this racked with guilt. I shouldn't
Speaker 1: be doing this. I know what the Bible says. I
Speaker 1: know what it says about sexuality. And then David he
Speaker 1: found a same sex attracted friendly church. And here's the pitch.
Speaker 4: Here's the pitch.
Speaker 1: The Bible does say marriages between a man and a woman.
Speaker 1: But God is a loving god. He made us this way.
Speaker 1: He would never punish us for being who we are
Speaker 1: because it's unfair and God is fair and just. That's
Speaker 1: the pitch. And when people hear that, there's a great
Speaker 1: piece of research. A friend of mine did that. What
Speaker 1: liberals and moderates value in any political discourse or moral
Speaker 1: discourse is fairness and compassion. They don't think about liberty,
Speaker 1: they don't think about law and order, they don't think
Speaker 1: about af effects, they don't think about unintentional harm. Is
Speaker 1: it compassion and fair? So that really appeals to them? Well,
Speaker 1: that sounds very compassionate and fair and inspired by what
Speaker 1: you said defining our terms. Well, wait a minute, how
Speaker 1: do you define same sex attraction? Is it a feeling
Speaker 1: or an identity? And let's poke away at that a
Speaker 1: little bit. If someone is kleptomaniacal and they like to steal,
Speaker 1: is that their identity now? And where to sponsor that?
Speaker 1: This is what they're this is where to sponsor that?
Speaker 1: What I see Andy Stanley doing there is is caring
Speaker 1: in fairness, compassion in fairness.
Speaker 4: Is it fair? So?
Speaker 1: How do we out love fake love? Because we're to
Speaker 1: approach things like same sex attraction and those struggles. We're
Speaker 1: to approach them with love. We're to approach democrats who
Speaker 1: have been abused of the idea that open borders is
Speaker 1: the only way to show love to migrants or illegal immigrants.
Speaker 1: It's the only way to do it. How do we
Speaker 1: outlove them.
Speaker 3: Well, it's I would argue that that's probably not the
Speaker 3: right way to look at it. Let's hear that if
Speaker 3: we're Christians, then by definition we're believers in the power
Speaker 3: of the Holy Spirit of God to do work in
Speaker 3: and among us, and in and among our culture. And
Speaker 3: so you know, my encouragement is always to not try
Speaker 3: to lean on our own wisdom and understanding and our
Speaker 3: own strength. And if I can only explain it this way,
Speaker 3: then maybe they'll quit doing this that I know is sinful,
Speaker 3: but but be willing to pay the price for preaching
Speaker 3: the truth in love and patience, and and you know
Speaker 3: what the Bible will describe as long suffering. So for somebody,
Speaker 3: somebody who's struggling with same sex attraction, they know that
Speaker 3: it's wrong scripturally, they know what the Bible teaches. Our
Speaker 3: job is not to try try to win them over
Speaker 3: by our own cunning and understanding. It's basically to say,
Speaker 3: this is what the Bible teaches. I love you, and
Speaker 3: because I love you, I'm not going to withhold this
Speaker 3: from you, and you might hate me for it. You
Speaker 3: Jesus said, I've come to divide father against son, you know,
Speaker 3: mother against daughter.
Speaker 4: That that would happen.
Speaker 3: We don't want that, I mean our of course, in
Speaker 3: our humanity, we don't want that. It's not something that
Speaker 3: we seek out. But are we willing to pay the price.
Speaker 3: Because the biggest way that this kind of thing this
Speaker 3: especially with kids, I mean that the transgender stuff with
Speaker 3: kids and the you know my kid is I mean
Speaker 3: five year olds and I think he's he's differently attracted
Speaker 3: or he's. The way that this infiltrates well meaning churches,
Speaker 3: well meaning Christian households and things, is because they are
Speaker 3: unwilling to put their allegiance to God and his truth
Speaker 3: above the relationship.
Speaker 4: So like.
Speaker 3: And we find this with conservative Christian pastors and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, they flip the switch and they're teaching
Speaker 3: something different than what the Bible teaches about gender. And
Speaker 3: ninety nine times out of one hundred you find that
Speaker 3: this was a personal relationship. This this this was like
Speaker 3: my son came out, my daughter came out, my my
Speaker 3: niece or something was you know, their parents were claiming
Speaker 3: that she was a boy trapped in a girl's body
Speaker 3: or something. And because they are unwilling to, because they're
Speaker 3: really idolizing and loving their relationships more than they're loving God,
Speaker 3: they change, they compromise, they flip, and it's really tough.
Speaker 3: I don't even deny how tough that is when there's
Speaker 3: a there's a situation in our families and people that
Speaker 3: we love that are now being disobedient. But the question
Speaker 3: is do you love God and his truth more? And
Speaker 3: are you willing to be consistent with them? And like, no,
Speaker 3: I can't go there. I'm not changing what I believe
Speaker 3: about this. Right, you need to repent, please, I'm baking
Speaker 3: you repent.
Speaker 1: And I'm not suggesting that we go there with them
Speaker 1: on the pronouns, et cetera. I'm going to share with
Speaker 1: you in a second an example of what I mean.
Speaker 1: There's this great debate about and you probably know you're
Speaker 1: far more educated than I am, who actually said share
Speaker 1: the Gospel with everyone you know, and when necessary, use
Speaker 1: words right, right, and there's another. Okay, So I want
Speaker 1: to give you an example of what I mean in
Speaker 1: terms of out loving them, and I'll share it is
Speaker 1: a personal example, and never change my views, will not.
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Speaker 1: Telling me you're part of the Todd Hermanshaw family. David Morrel.
Speaker 1: I had this this family reunion this past spring, and
Speaker 1: one of our family members, Uh is of the opinion
Speaker 1: that she is a man, and I love her, and
Speaker 1: she's far younger than me, and I was I felt
Speaker 1: stress and worry about this, and then I went to
Speaker 1: the Bible. Okay, I knew I wasn't going to refer
Speaker 1: to her with male pronouns. I can't. I can choose
Speaker 1: to not use pronouns. My primary motivation there was to
Speaker 1: let me disappear for her to experience God's love through me.
Speaker 1: And so when I saw her and approached her, I
Speaker 1: screwed up because I couldn't remember the new name. She
Speaker 1: corrected me, I'm willing to use the name. That's her name.
Speaker 1: That's not a lie, that's her name. She's changed her name.
Speaker 1: And after we'd spent some time together, something amazing happened. David,
Speaker 1: a homeless woman having a psychotic break drove up into
Speaker 1: the mountains, I think, to kill herself, and my family
Speaker 1: member found her and screamed for help, and I ran
Speaker 1: up the hill and she and I together partnered in
Speaker 1: helping this young girl. And then my sister came up
Speaker 1: a liberal nurse practitioner, a liberal, very progressive, very terrified
Speaker 1: of Trump. And she and I then tended to that
Speaker 1: girl for the rest of the day, pretty much ignoring
Speaker 1: the family reunion because she needed it to be safe.
Speaker 1: Here's what happened is when I was leaving, I got
Speaker 1: an opportunity to walk up to this young woman who
Speaker 1: is gender confused, and I meant this, and this is
Speaker 1: what the Holy Spirit gave me is I came to
Speaker 1: her and said, I know you and I disagree in
Speaker 1: something fundamentally important to you. I know that, and you
Speaker 1: know that, but I want you to know I am
Speaker 1: delighted to see you. Well, I love you, I'm very
Speaker 1: proud of the career building, and I want you to
Speaker 1: know that God has given you some great, great gifts.
Speaker 1: And her response emotionally not why I said it, but
Speaker 1: to see tears in her eyes and a recognition that
Speaker 1: you still love me, and a recognition of there's this
Speaker 1: thing you and I disagree on it and you know it.
Speaker 1: My primary goal was that she walked away with Wait,
Speaker 1: where was the hate filled Christian wishing me to hell?
Speaker 1: That's what I mean by sharing the Gospel when not
Speaker 1: using words that wow, that old man family member. He
Speaker 1: actually read he does love me because I saw tears
Speaker 1: in his eyes. Does that make sense? That's what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about outloving them?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, and that is that is a it is a
Speaker 3: valid component in something that we should all be doing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jesus teaches us to love our enemies, right,
Speaker 3: So what what does that mean? He's he's he's He's
Speaker 3: not teaching us that somebody who is violating the rights
Speaker 3: of others, or somebody that is attacking us or our families,
Speaker 3: that we just sit there and take it.
Speaker 4: That's not what he's teaching.
Speaker 3: But he is teaching that we are to be selfless
Speaker 3: in our approach to everybody else, so they can know
Speaker 3: as is as you outline there, that we disagree that
Speaker 3: we believe this is this is a I mean, a
Speaker 3: sinful problem. This is a problem that can separate you
Speaker 3: from the kingdom even and yet still in my role
Speaker 3: is I'm going to love you as much as I can.
Speaker 3: I'll give you the shirt off my back. I don't
Speaker 3: you know that what you believe or what you practice
Speaker 3: in this area, or those kinds of things, it has
Speaker 3: no impact on my desire to love view.
Speaker 4: But who defines love, well, God defines love.
Speaker 3: So love for her is going to be not compromising
Speaker 3: the truth, not being unwilling to tell her and and
Speaker 3: really like you know, following the leading of the spirit
Speaker 3: in that conversation, right, the Spirit of God will tell
Speaker 3: us now is the time that you need to really
Speaker 3: tell them the truth? Or now is the time when
Speaker 3: you need to just love them materially. And that's yeah,
Speaker 3: that can be difficult to navigate sure for Christians. But
Speaker 3: the important thing to know is that love is not
Speaker 3: defined by their preferences. Love is not defined by their feelings.
Speaker 4: Or what they want.
Speaker 3: But love does involve, you know, materially caring for people
Speaker 3: that we know are in sin. We know that that
Speaker 3: you know or you know we believe or lost, we
Speaker 3: still care for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think that God placed that young girl there
Speaker 1: who is having this psychotic break and she'd you know,
Speaker 1: a drug user. She still had on her on her
Speaker 1: wrist a hospital bracelet because she'd checked herself out of treatment.
Speaker 1: I believe God placed her right there so that my
Speaker 1: younger family member would be the first to finder and
Speaker 1: scream for help, and I would be the second one
Speaker 1: there so that she could go, Wow, this old man,
Speaker 1: he's like tossing everything aside, freezing, giving this girl his
Speaker 1: coat as this like terrible spring snow is falling on him.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to take credit for it. I
Speaker 1: mean we're called to do that. I want to place
Speaker 1: one more video clip here.
Speaker 4: This is a.
Speaker 1: False pastor awoke. In pastor, by the way, you should
Speaker 1: trademark that if you invented that, that's a great phrase.
Speaker 1: And in pastor talking about the militaristic bs and I
Speaker 1: want to get your reaction to this and talk about
Speaker 1: militarism in the church. And there are people who online
Speaker 1: are really really proposing that Christians get overtly militaristic, that
Speaker 1: you know what, the Christian army should go seize the
Speaker 1: Middle East, We should go seize these countries. We should
Speaker 1: forcibly physically fight back. And I want to talk about
Speaker 1: that trend. Let's watch this video together.
Speaker 6: And the last Sunday of the church here today is
Speaker 6: also designated to be sort of traditionally Christ the King Sunday,
Speaker 6: or in modern times more likely called Reign of Christ Sunday.
Speaker 6: And the point is this, I do not like the
Speaker 6: concept of Christ the King Sunday, and I really don't
Speaker 6: want to preach on it. And the reason is that
Speaker 6: it has traditionally gotten preached as a kind of a
Speaker 6: triumphalist victory over all our enemies, militaristic kind of thing,
Speaker 6: and I think a that has no relationship whatsoever with
Speaker 6: the notion of unconditional love that I believe is at
Speaker 6: the heart of the Gospel. And B Jesus would be
Speaker 6: utterly horrified to be worshiped in that kind of way.
Speaker 6: And see, that kind of militaristic has absolutely no place
Speaker 6: in church.
Speaker 1: But at least try to remember the rest of my sermon.
Speaker 6: So it has no place. And I dislike it because
Speaker 6: it leads to all kinds of evil crap, like Christian nationalism,
Speaker 6: which I declare to be a heresy, which also leads
Speaker 6: to all kinds of evil, divisive.
Speaker 1: Crap like Well, I really like a sermon with BS
Speaker 1: and the sea word in it for feces, because that's
Speaker 1: the emphasis we need. So she's making this statement that's
Speaker 1: Christ the King is a militaristic statement. It's about stomping
Speaker 1: on her enemies. She's not going to preach that that's bs,
Speaker 1: that sea word for for excrement, your response to that,
Speaker 1: and the response in the comment sections and her if
Speaker 1: she had any what's how do you feel about all that?
Speaker 3: Well, there's a there's a Christian nationalism as defined by
Speaker 3: the left, by like the Marxist left that's in Western culture,
Speaker 3: which is a very different thing than sort of the
Speaker 3: Christian nationalism that has talked about within It's sort of
Speaker 3: evangelical with a church conversation. And yeah, so this is
Speaker 3: this is a pastors as we like to call female pastors,
Speaker 3: a pastors at a at a very very radical I
Speaker 3: believe it was an evangelical Lutheran church, and that that
Speaker 3: denomination has been very left for a very long time.
Speaker 3: It and and basically pushing this idea that if you
Speaker 3: say Christ is King, that's some sort of you know,
Speaker 3: dog whistle or something like that for some sort of militaristic, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, takeover countries and Christianize them kind of a thing.
Speaker 3: And well, yeah, I'm sure there's some people on the
Speaker 3: fringes that support that kind of idea. That the thing
Speaker 3: that I always pull from it is to want a
Speaker 3: Christian nation is not to say that we want a
Speaker 3: nation full of regenerate Christians.
Speaker 4: There's no way. We can prove that anyway.
Speaker 3: But I do want a nation where our laws and
Speaker 3: our system and our our civil governance and things is
Speaker 3: derived as it has been for the history of this country,
Speaker 3: derived from Biblical precepts, from Christian understandings of justice, the
Speaker 3: the amago day, the sanctity of the individual as the
Speaker 3: rights bearer that then gives the gives up some of
Speaker 3: that for the purpose of governing a nation, but that
Speaker 3: they are the originators of you know, God gives us
Speaker 3: rights and then we give some of that in as
Speaker 3: as we desire to to a government. I mean that
Speaker 3: is my definition of a Christian nation is a nation
Speaker 3: that that operates itself in accordance with God's standards. And yeah,
Speaker 3: there's gonna be some there's gonna be some personal elements
Speaker 3: to that, right. I mean, our our system of governance
Speaker 3: is is is good for what for for a sound
Speaker 3: and moral people. It's it's it's wholly unfit for any other.
Speaker 3: That's a true thing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So obviously we're gonna have to fight a culture war.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to fight a war for our legal system,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna have to fight, you know, for laws
Speaker 3: and government and structure to be what they are. But
Speaker 3: we're also gonna have to fight the culture war of
Speaker 3: you know, that's sinful behavior, you shouldn't do that. And
Speaker 3: I think that's that that's what they really That's what
Speaker 3: she's really taking the issue with this is like, what
Speaker 3: do you mean you're you mean you're gonna tell me
Speaker 3: that that's that that's simple and that's wrong, and that
Speaker 3: I can't be whatever gender I want and so on
Speaker 3: and so forth.
Speaker 4: I think I think that's what her her real beef
Speaker 4: was right.
Speaker 1: And I think that Christian nationalism for me, a Christian
Speaker 1: nation does not mean what a lot of leftists fear
Speaker 1: it means. And I have family members if fear it
Speaker 1: means this, that we take over the government and then
Speaker 1: we come along and say, okay, convert or die. And
Speaker 1: it's funny, I've never saw Jesus do that one single time,
Speaker 1: because he could have made his work a lot shorter
Speaker 1: if he just came along and got like a thousand
Speaker 1: people said hey watch this, I'm lord about to me. No, okay,
Speaker 1: you're all dead now next up right. It could have
Speaker 1: been short and easy, but he chose to do it
Speaker 1: the way he chose to do it. You know, it's
Speaker 1: far too much of this, David, and I don't know.
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Speaker 1: resource and we didn't get to this. I kind of
Speaker 1: got just distracted in our conversation. But you have a
Speaker 1: friend of yours who's written the book called Shepherds for Sale,
Speaker 1: and it seems that you think this is a great
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Speaker 1: few minutes give us a download on that book of
Speaker 1: why you think it's a important an important tool and
Speaker 1: a book that people should own.
Speaker 3: So so back in back in July, Daily Wire reporter
Speaker 3: Megan Bachelor released a book called Shepherds for Sale, in
Speaker 3: which she basically had spent the last two years chronicling
Speaker 3: the leftist infiltration into different parts of American event especially
Speaker 3: American Evangelicalism, but American Christianity in general, through institutions, seminaries,
Speaker 3: you know, podcasters and influencers, pastors and pulpits, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: Christian media outlets like Christianity Today and these kinds of things,
Speaker 3: and and like I bought a couple couple of copies
Speaker 3: of the book and for my pastors, you know, my church,
Speaker 3: just to to keep aware of what's going on out there.
Speaker 4: But there are a lot of things.
Speaker 3: As guys are pastoring on a daily basis and there,
Speaker 3: and they're shepherding their local flocks, they can't possibly stay
Speaker 3: informed of everything going on on in the broader in
Speaker 3: the broader conversation, the broader culture. And so I mean
Speaker 3: that's why websites like protests you exist. And Meg Bashm's
Speaker 3: book Shepherds for Sale used a lot of our some
Speaker 3: of our research and things as well, which I appreciated.
Speaker 3: But it's it's kind of a good just a real
Speaker 3: good resource and catching pastors up about Okay, how when
Speaker 3: when I'm hearing these things coming into the church, where
Speaker 3: I'm hearing the institutions I trust start pushing critical theory
Speaker 3: and start pushing uh, you know, racial ideology that that
Speaker 3: it's unbiblical, Where did it come from? How did it
Speaker 3: get here? Who are who are the proponents of this.
Speaker 3: It's a really good resource. For that reason, I told
Speaker 3: people like, don't go buy this book and bash your
Speaker 3: pastor over the head with it. Say oh, I heard
Speaker 3: that in your sermon and you know you're you're anathma
Speaker 3: or something. Don't do that, but but use it as
Speaker 3: a resource to help catch them up with with with
Speaker 3: what's going on in the broader conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. And congratulations on Protestia the Twitter channel.
Speaker 1: We every time we use your clip I I or
Speaker 1: clips I really try to give you credit. And I
Speaker 1: hope you'll come back from time to time and join us.
Speaker 1: And you're welcome any time here. Appreciate your work and
Speaker 1: just thank you for letting God use you that way.
Speaker 4: David. I appreciate you deeply. Thank you, thanks to I
Speaker 4: appreciate the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the Todd Herban Show. Please go be well,
Speaker 1: be strong, be kind, and just make every effort on
Speaker 1: a daily basis to walk in the light of Christ.