Speaker 1: At the forefront when you first see it. Protest you
dot com and their counterpart on Twitter is a place
where you can find amazing videos like this well sort
of pastor showing that he can walk on air. That's
the work of Protestia dot com and it is also
though the tip of what they do. They are an
organization headed by a guy named David Morrel who joins
us today, and if you read further down the line,
he's a deeply theological man who has paid a price
for speaking his mind, both as a National Guard member
and as a citizen, and he's gladly paid that price.
He joins us today with the courtesy of our YouTube channel,
YouTube dot com slash at The Todd Herman Show ends
under the great auspices of God Almighty, But Todd.
Speaker 2: Herman Show is one hundred percent disapproved by big pharma,
technocourrats and tyrants everywhere from the hind mountains of Free America.
Here's the Emeralds City Exit God her Man.
Speaker 1: Today is to day the Lord has made, and these
are the times to which God has decided we shall live.
David Merril joins us live from Denver, Colorado, a city
that has been Seattlezed David, appreciate you being here. Thank
you man, thanks for having me on the show. Todd
loved to see you. Yeah, good to see you. Love
your hat, love what you're doing at protest to you
dot com. Let's start real quick, just by groundsetting that
you're a guy who's paid a cost for free speech.
And I know the podcast family will appreciate this because
people who are willing to pay these prices I think
means something to us. So talk about what happened to
you as a National Guard member.
Speaker 3: Well so, and then first I should say that nothing
I say represents the army or the Colorado National Guard.
Speaker 4: But yeah, well I gotta say that.
Speaker 3: You gotta put that out there, you know, I mean,
they really require that, Okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Back in twenty twenty two, I was doing this, the
Protestingest podcast actually with a pastor friend of mine, JD. Hall,
and we talk politics and we talked because you know,
it's very much from a Christian conservative perspective, but we
talk politics and we talk the ins and outs of
how to navigate you know, the modern modern times and
modern situations as Christians who want to be civilly engaged,
civically engaged, politically engaged, and I said some stuff on
that podcast again off duty as a National Guardsman. We're
on duty, then we're off duty, and I'm off duty
and kind of irregular clothes like I am now probably
wearing the same hat or something else, and I said
some things that then somebody reported to the guard PAO
and they decided to punish me. So they actually punished
me militarily for the content, not not just that I
said something, but the content of what I said, and
accused me of being a racist in an official memorandum.
Accused me of being racist. And it was because I
said that I didn't see the evidence that George Floyd
was targeted because of his race, not that he wasn't,
but just that I didn't see the evidence.
Speaker 1: I said, you didn't see the evidence.
Speaker 4: Right, That's exactly what I said.
Speaker 3: I I don't see the evidence George Floyd targeted because
of his race. But the funny thing is Keith Ellison,
who prosecuted Derek Chauvin, said the same thing. The extremely
liberal prosecutor that put Derek Chauvin in prison didn't charge
him with a hate crime because he didn't see the
evidence that Floyd was targeted because of his race. I
said the same thing. I got punished for it, and
I wasn't even on duty. Has nothing to do with
the military. So it's just kind of crazy times in
terms of the free speech that we're living in. And
for me, at least, my heart is to what can
I do to help service members be able to not
have this.
Speaker 4: Happen to them.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm pretty old as far as military goes, but
I'm thinking about the younger guy who can't afford to fight.
Speaker 4: I can afford to fight.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I love that you think of it that way, and
you did sue for your First Amendment rights right, didn't
have a lawsuit.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's in the Colorado of District Court as we speak.
Speaker 1: All right, let's try this video again, this pastor walking
on air, to see if you're convinced and perhaps you'll
end up following this church.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 1: This is from Protestia dot Com. That looks like the
Brady Bunch set.
Speaker 4: I thought, sooks good, go beautifully well shot.
Speaker 1: My goodness, they spared no expense.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Like the Lord Jesus himself competer walk on water. Do
you ever get people angry at you? Do you ever
get the pastors or the impastors or pastor pastric Si.
Do you ever get in touch with you and get
angry with you.
Speaker 4: Yes, usually not out in the open.
Speaker 3: Usually it's a private message or something, or every once
in a while we'll get a seasoned desist.
Speaker 4: We like to call them nasty grams.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, we just we ignore them where we put
them on the wall or something.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is a tip of the sphere way
of reaching people and drawing attention. And you're a thinker theologically,
and I want to talk through some of the more
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can fillprotest you dot com on such a regular basis
with these astonishing videos of heretics causing theological mischief, I
think you call it. That means to me that there
is a plethora of this stuff available. If you were
to guess in the churches in America, what percentage do
you think are biblically sound? I mean, there's some data
on this, but what do you think are biblically sound churches?
Speaker 3: It's probably I would think around fifteen twenty percent, Yeah,
you know, maybe lower, depending on exactly where we draw
that line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a survey that's very famous that shows that
about fifteen percent of youth pastors have a biblical worldview.
That's the youth pastors, and that means that the distance
so obviously Satans at work in this he wants to
destroy christ Church. But talk about the politics and our
civic duty and and your view of this and pastors
and how you think they should be interacting politically, Well.
Speaker 3: The challenge has always been in I mean, and I
speak specifically from an evangelical perspective as an evangelical, but
really in all all Christian churches, how how much should
politics and uh civic engagement be directly preached from the pulpit?
You know, pastors who who preach through the whole council
of God's Word, the whole council of the Bible, and
they do it faithfully and they don't dodge and pick
certain topics and not others depending on what the culture,
you know, the current cultural zeitgeist is, usually have flocks
that know how to then apply that to to their
political participation. You know, as as people who live in
a country that is self governed yep, where it is
the people who actually possess the the governmental political authority.
Speaker 4: How do you navigate that within the church.
Speaker 3: And now that the you know, as I like to say,
the bloom is off the roads as far as church
is trying to stay out of the culture, and they're
all becoming much more politically and civilly engaged. That presents
new opportunities for truth obviously to be applied to the culture,
but also a lot of opportunity for falsehoods to enter
the church by way of talking about culture and talking
about politics.
Speaker 1: So you're so close to this, closer than I am.
And I'm always curious about what how many of these
pastors know they're faking it? You know, we had a
pastor at our church, a former Lutheran church in Seattle.
I'm an evangelical non donam, and we found out he'd
been trained in one of the sooral schools, so he
was a shepherd for sale. And they had this great deal.
They're going to pay seventy five percent of his salary.
And there were plenty of us in the church body
who fought against this, and ultimately the church made a
bad decision and they hired the guy David I kid you,
not his sermons always contain quotes from South Park, a
blatantly at least antagonistic to Christ, if not anti christ show,
given the way they treated the Lord Jesus every sermon.
And I saw that this guy came in and that
the church body was decimated and some people stayed, but
it became then this political church. And I always wanted
to ask him, do you know your false teacher? I mean,
do you know that you are making yourself an enemy
of the Lord Jesus. Talk me through this. How many
these people actually know they're lying?
Speaker 3: You never really know, You never really know. But the
thing is, we're not called to know necessarily the motives
of another person's heart. We are called to judge what
they say and what they practice and what they promote.
That's something that is a requirement of every Christian, every
Christian is and that's one of the ways that we
love each other as believers, is we hold one another
accountable for what's being taught, what's being promoted, what's being done.
And so, yeah, you're gonna have some false teachers who
are knowingly false teachers. They know they're deceiving, they know
they're in it for personal gain and to make themselves
famous or rich or whatever. And then you're gonna have
some that are they're self deceived. They really don't know.
They actually think they're doing what's right. You know, Jesus
talked about this in Matthew seven when he said that
there will be those on the last day that say,
Lord Lord, did we not do all these things in
your name?
Speaker 4: Did we not prophesy?
Speaker 3: And basically they list all these great works and he says, yeah,
depart from me. I never knew you. And then he
defines it. He says, depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.
So he says, this is how you will know. This
is how you will know that you were not mine,
that you are not preaching the true Christ. You are
not teaching true doctrine. Is the works of lawlessness that
are the evidence of that.
Speaker 1: So this ruins us back. I think two, we're talking
about Denver becoming sataalized and lawlessness, and again it's politics
and faith meeting. I tend to believe that Satan runs
his organization like a military outfit. Right, He's the supreme leader.
He's got bosses of ten and bosses of hundreds, and
there's no debate. Satan runs things, and I think he
takes test runs, so I tend to believe he is
right now prepping the world for the arrival of the
lawless one, which to me brings us back to pastors
on the pulpit. How do they approach this without making
every single sermon a discussion of this bill or that bill,
or this politician or that politician. I have my view,
what's yours? If you get down to the actual act
of standing in front of your congregation, how would you
advise pastors to address things like the open lawlessness in Denver,
letting you know, homeless people sees houses.
Speaker 4: And et cetera.
Speaker 3: It's they they need to not fear the culture. The
word of God, the Bible speaks into every one of
these issues, every one of There's there's no new sin
under the sun, right, So while while we might feel
like what we're going through is brand new, nobody's ever
experienced this before. It's never happened. That's that's not true.
And the Bible, which God very much designed to be
for all of time, that an immovable truth speaks into
all of it. So I always encourage pastors continue to
preach the truth and be responsive.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can be responsive.
Speaker 3: To what's going on in the lives of the congregation,
and that that involves being being informed about what's going
on out there and then preach the unapologetic Word of
God into those circumstances. And the problem is pastors are
very often afraid to do it for those reasons. They're
they're going to offend somebody. And it's like, yeah, but
you're you're a preacher of the Word of God. You're
going to offend somebody.
Speaker 4: That's it. It's going to offend a godless culture obviously.
Speaker 1: Well, and I think you know if you look at
protesta dot com and Devenrol the publisher, there are people
who are going to watch these pastors and they're going
to be offended. On the behalf of Jesus christis other
people who are offended that you're bringing light to this.
This always astonishes me that people say things in public right,
and they're in their bubble think in their bubble world,
and then you simply popularize it, right, popularize it here
you go, what do you want pastors to be doing
in eldership, in church shepherding, Because you have a friend
of us who wrote a book Shepherd's for sale how
do church leadership bodies, and we're part of that body,
as the members of a church, how do they look
for signs that the church is being politicized or being
made heretical.
Speaker 3: It's it can be tough, it can be tough, but
it's it's the Bible encourages every Christian. I mean, the
responsibility to discipline the church is the responsibility of all believers.
I mean, that's certainly what I believe, and I think
that's that's what the Bible supports, and I think that
that's what churches should do. But we have to remember
that that pastors are not in an elevated status of
spiritual authority. They are they're brothers among us, They're among
the flock. You know, the Bible says, shepherd the flock
among you, and so they they should be afforded the benefit.
It really is a benefit of having the rest of
the church around them watching their back. And we like
as Christians, we need other Christians to watch our backs
and tell us when we're doing something wrong and be
willing to love us enough to challenge us. You know,
a big part of the reason we challenge, you know,
guys that we think are teaching falsely or people that
are doing things in the name of Christ that are
that are not biblical and are not Christian.
Speaker 4: Is because we love them.
Speaker 3: It seems like it seems like, well, if you love them,
you wouldn't challenge them. But the Bible very much is
in support of challenging, challenging people who you love. Yeah,
it's an exercise of Christian love to watch our pastors
back they need. I mean, pastors are out there kind
of floating in the wind sometimes feeling like if I
don't do the right thing from the pulpit.
Speaker 4: Or I don't have the music of the right volume,
or the carpet the right color or whatever I'm going
to get, I'm going to get torched.
Speaker 3: Right, These people are going to fire me, They're going
to kick me out, and so it's very unstable. They
need to know that if you're faithful to preach the Word,
you're faithful to preach the full council of the Word
into the culture, that there are other men and women
in your church that love you and they have your
back and they'll go to the map for you. It's
really important that they know that they're not our employee,
that they are our fellow believer and that we're they
have our support.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: And I think the Bible, man, I know, the Bible
teaches us that we can learn to know the Good
Shepherd's voice.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: The Lord Jesus said, my sheep know my voice. Right,
I'm the good Shepherd. So when we spend time in
his words on a consistent basis and around more mature Christians,
people who have gone through a longer or maybe they're
faster learners than their spiritual walks, everybody learns differently. We
learned the voice of the Lord Jesus, the Good Shepherd.
I think this is an ultimate defense when a church
will start to fall. Let me give you some personal
examples you can have in this society where Satan is
just just abusing kids with gender confusion. You'll have a
teenager who might come home and say, yeah, well, Mom,
what do you know? You're a SIS woman. The first
time you hear your teenagers say, you need to stop
and say it. Wait, hold on a second, what does
that mean? Sis? What does that mean?
Speaker 4: Explain?
Speaker 1: And you know, but this means that your child has
begun speaking the language of the enemy. So when our
church fell, it was preceded by one of our pastors
who began doing sermons about the earth. And I sat
and listened to a sermon one day about the earth,
and he sprinkled in some Jesus. You know, that's the
here's my view. I want climate change legislation, Let's sprinkle
some Jesus on top of that. And then a sermon
that didn't contain a single word of God. And I did.
What you're supposed to do is to go personally to
the pastor and say, I'm pretty disturbed that was a
political speech. You didn't contain the word of God at all.
So are there signs like that that we can see
in our churches that are their key words or key phrases,
or is there a line of attack the enemies using
those commonly to get pastors to spread lies.
Speaker 3: Well, certainly it's you know, christ As Christians, we were
kind of predisposed to try to be understanding, to try
to hope all things, and to assume anything that's being
you know, pushed in or or promoted.
Speaker 4: In the name of Jesus.
Speaker 3: We were we've kind of been trained to not to
back off and not really judge that in the way
that we should. And so the the these worldly ideologies,
these ideologies that are not found in scripture, they're found
outside of scripture, very often found in you know, long
standing worldviews that oppose a biblical worldview. They sneak in
on that basis. So we we when when a pastor
is preaching from the Word of God, when they're actually
taking the meaning of the text and teaching that we
call that exo Jesus. They're explaining the meaning of the text.
But what you're describing in in this situation was what
we would call is of Jesus. They're reading outside meaning
into the text, and it sounds like in this case
it's just like, well, I'm going to say Jesus a
few times and sort of try to christianize, right, Yeah,
And so for the guy in the pews, it's basically
be aware of these godless ideologies that are out there.
Be aware of the godlessness of modern climate change ideology,
the godlessness of modern gender ideology, the godlessness of modern
race ideology, and in critical race theory, these kinds of things.
Speaker 4: Be aware of what those are.
Speaker 3: So that when you hear something that's being said being
done in the name of Jesus or taught in the
name of Jesus. But you recognize the content is not
biblical and it actually matches with one of these other
unbiblical ideologies, that's the time to do exactly what you
did and question him and say you didn't get that
from the Bible, Where did that come from?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I've been a proponed to the idea that the most
powerful form of propaganda is something called the propaganda of silence.
So if yes, no one discusses it, then how do
you know it's happening. So this is used by the
mockingbird media all the time, the propaganda of silence. Our
media here is really loath to report on what Elon
Musk did when he lit this flame in England by
actually drawing attention back to this insane scandal of these
gangs of Pakistani men going and sexually assaulting girls and
grooming them and turning them out right, that he has
lit this flightman, Now there's this outrage. The power of
the mockingbird media here is to say, yeah, we're not
going to talk about that. They did this with the
lies of transgenderism. Oh that's not happening. There's no sex
at in the schools. They just ignored it. I think
it's harder to look at a church body and observe that, wait,
we're not going to talk about the definition of marriage.
We're not going to revisit this. I mean, this is
a big deal abortion. The left tried to make that
a huge election issue, and we're not going to talk
about the sanctity of life. Do you think that's a
harder challenge for people in the pews that they have
to now observe the silence and then maybe go ask like, hey,
why are we.
Speaker 4: Silent on this? Yeah? Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: It is because again, I mean, you want to trust
your pastor you want to trust the people that you
believe God has placed in these positions. And so when
they sin, and they will their men and you know,
they're the regular guys when they sin or they air
a lot of churches and the thing is you don't
see it until it's too late. But a lot of
churches let in the church members, let this go on,
Let this go on and metastasize until it's too late,
and now there's a church split or it's too late
and now there's a sex scandal from the pulpit, and
that entire time that man placed in that position was
basically robbed of the benefits of having his fellow believers
hold him accountable. He needed that, and a lot of
churches deny it to him because it's it's hard work
challenging somebody, especially somebody who who everybody else sees as
as the leader and they and they are they're supposed
to be leading within that congregation. Challenging that person sometimes
comes with a significant cost. I mean, and a lot
of us that have done this kind of work, I mean,
we know we've paid that cost. Like our church is
a Southern Baptist church, and I mean the Southern Baptist Convention,
and the guys that run that won't pick up the
phone for me, you know, like I'm I'm for son
and on grata over there. But that's the price that
sometimes has to be paid to be to be willing
to challenge when it needs to happen, even though it's
an exercise of love.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: And I've pointed this out that there's people who are
not church going Christians, or maybe I would refer to
as as cultural Christians or ethnic Christians. And my family
is Christian, therefore I think I'm Christian. They won't necessarily
know the name like JD. Greer, I mean Pastor Greer.
I have some of his books at home, Win by Losing,
and I actually think he has been God's worked through
him phenomenally to grow that church and to make it
a church that turns out disciples. So imagine my shock
when I hear Pastor Greer saying, yeah, we should use
the fake pronouns and we should respect that. And I
know the answer spiritually, it is the deceiver, the distort
or Satan himself who's causing this. But how did the
Southern Baptist Convention, I mean, how did people there not
notice that they were going so far off the rails
in so many ways?
Speaker 3: Well, in the Southern Baptist Convention, because it's not a
denomination and churches are churches are autonomous, then kind of
do what they want, but like to use JD.
Speaker 4: Grew.
Speaker 3: He's a pastor out in North Carolina, a big I
mean megachurch, multi sit megachurch, recommended using preferred pronouns, and
I for him, it's interesting because I don't think it
was this church that really kind of got him back on,
because he repented of that later, he.
Speaker 4: Quit doing that later.
Speaker 3: I think it was actually the the you know websites
like hours and the Information Age and the Internet then
exposed this and and and helped bring to bear just
common sense wisdom. You know, I'm basically saying, hey, you know,
preferred pronouns are lying. You know, you're not permitted to
bear false witness just to make somebody feel you be
the first.
Speaker 1: Person I've met actually repeats that to me, like, I
can't lie. And I defended my pastory. He'd said about
the injections, Well, look, if you're told to take him,
if to take him, and I had to say to
my pastor, no, I'm going to write you a piece
on this. These are not vaccines.
Speaker 4: This is a lie.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to inject my body with a lie,
just like the mask is a lie.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm going to an even thing word doing.
Speaker 3: I mean, Biblically speaking, we bodily autonomy is a biblically
derived right for human beings.
Speaker 4: You don't.
Speaker 3: You don't have a right to tell me how to
stay healthy. That's actually a responsibility God gave to me,
and the responsibility God gave to me for my family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, super super well said, So, I want to get
to the work of a guy named Andy Stanley. Here
at a second with David Morrel Moral and I want
you to talk about some of the bigger person You
wrote a great piece and kind of reviewing a friend
of yours book Shepherd's for Sale, which is an important
book we should talk about. So in a second I
want to show people this and the Stanley video because
this is the fear of Oh gosh, we're gonna get
called bad names. And we'll continue this discussion with David.
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Protestia dot com and your corresponding Twitter channel. Pastor Andy
Stanley compares Christians calling Democrats evil to well, let's see
if y'all can guess.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 5: Political affiliation has become the litmus test for orthodoxy. I
hope you haven't seen this, but let me just tell
you what I'm about to tell you is not kind
of off in a corner. This is main line speaking
and posting, and books are written in chapters and books
are written about this right now. The current thing for
the last three or four years is that you can't.
I was going to put this on the screen, but
there are things I should never put on a screen
to have a picture taken because anyway, so you know
what the messaging is now, this isn't in the corner.
These are If I name the people who are saying
these things, you've heard of most of them.
Speaker 1: You've read some of their books.
Speaker 5: That you can't be a Christian and be a Democrat.
You you can't possibly be a true Christian if you're
a Democrat, which is absolutely absurd.
Speaker 1: But what's even more absurd.
Speaker 5: Is as conservative Christians Republicans demonize democrats, all democrats, and
you can't possibly be a Christian. As they demonize democrats,
they basically go against one of Jesus' primary teachings. Instead
of loving their enemies, all these lost democrats, they demonize them.
They make democrats the enemy. And what did Jesus tell
us to do with our enemies. Anybody, remember, Yeah, So
let me just say that those of you who are
conservative politically like me.
Speaker 1: If you do that, stop it.
Speaker 5: You can disagree, but you don't write somebody off as
bad and evil. Here's why you think it's just think
it's just kind of funny. You study history. All that
has to happen in any country is for a majority
to decide a minority is evil. And once they're evil,
they're cockroaches, and they're rats.
Speaker 1: And cockroaches rats gets us too, of course, Nazi Germany. Hey,
you guessed it. Congratulations, chicken dinner Winter. So who is
this guy and why does Andy Stanley? I mean, he
matters because he is created by God in his image,
and we have that we are to love our enemies,
absolutely right, But why does he have the footprint that
he does and what is his influence?
Speaker 3: Well, so Andy Stanley is a another megachurch pastor down
down in Georgia, but son of Charles Stanley, who was
kind of a kind of a well known name and
then sort of history of conservative evangelicalism. And then his
son Andy starts his own church a little while ago,
kind of build into a big empire. But Andy Stanley
is in the category of what I would describe as
seeker sensitive pastors seeker sensitive churches, which are churches that
have basically designed themselves around appealing to unbelievers and lost
people that come to visit the church. And not that
there's anything wrong with evangelism or anything wrong with preaching
the gospel, but that's actually not what church services are for.
So what ends up happening is the what should be
worship of God, preaching of the Word of God, the
gathering of of of Christians together becomes it it becomes
degraded as they start to change things in their church
to appeal to the to the sensibilities of people that.
Speaker 4: Aren't followers of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: And so so I mean, I mean Andy Stanley's church
has been They've they've they've gone soft on l g
B t Q issues. They've they've gone soft on, uh,
you know, the roles of men and women in ministry.
They had a conference very recently that they didn't stream
or anything like that because I think they knew what
was going to happen. They basically have had told parents
how to to handle their their l g B t
Q identifying children not by telling them what God says
and what the Bible says, but by affirming their feelings
and affirming these things. How to how to basically minister
to your quote unquote gay children. That's that's been a
big part of what they do. But you saw in
that Andy Stanley clip, he didn't he didn't really deal
with the issue. He challenged the terms. This is a
big problem not only in just our postmodern society, where
people they don't actually talk about the idea in and
of itself as strongly connected with the term. They deconstruct
a term. So if someone says, you know, like, hey,
democrats can't be Christian, well the next thing you should
be asking is what do you mean by democrats and
what do you mean by Christian? If you can really
solidify those two things, now you can actually judge whether
that statement is true or not. So if someone like
me says, well, you can't be a Democrat and a Christian,
what I'm really saying is you can't be a democrat
as defined by democrat ideology and politics and believe those
things in any sort of consistency with being a Bible
believing Christian. That believes what the Bible teaches about things.
Those two things are not compatible. Well Andy just throws
that out the window, and he says, no democrat is
just whatever somebody says it is if they say they're
a democrat.
Speaker 1: There's a great very confusing, very confusing. There's a great
book called the Gay Gospel. If you read this book.
I haven't read it, okay, I know. So it's written
by a guy who was a pastor and then he
had these same sex attraction feelings. It haunted him and
he gave in. So he and look, that's a super
hard thing. Anyone who thinks it's not hard has never
really really had a conflict of heart and emotionally romantically,
never been through divorce or anything like that. I mean
things are hard sometimes. Or saying no to a relationship
that you shouldn't have, like, it's hard. So he fell
and he then had this racked with guilt. I shouldn't
be doing this. I know what the Bible says. I
know what it says about sexuality. And then David he
found a same sex attracted friendly church. And here's the pitch.
Speaker 4: Here's the pitch.
Speaker 1: The Bible does say marriages between a man and a woman.
But God is a loving god. He made us this way.
He would never punish us for being who we are
because it's unfair and God is fair and just. That's
the pitch. And when people hear that, there's a great
piece of research. A friend of mine did that. What
liberals and moderates value in any political discourse or moral
discourse is fairness and compassion. They don't think about liberty,
they don't think about law and order, they don't think
about af effects, they don't think about unintentional harm. Is
it compassion and fair? So that really appeals to them? Well,
that sounds very compassionate and fair and inspired by what
you said defining our terms. Well, wait a minute, how
do you define same sex attraction? Is it a feeling
or an identity? And let's poke away at that a
little bit. If someone is kleptomaniacal and they like to steal,
is that their identity now? And where to sponsor that?
This is what they're this is where to sponsor that?
What I see Andy Stanley doing there is is caring
in fairness, compassion in fairness.
Speaker 4: Is it fair? So?
Speaker 1: How do we out love fake love? Because we're to
approach things like same sex attraction and those struggles. We're
to approach them with love. We're to approach democrats who
have been abused of the idea that open borders is
the only way to show love to migrants or illegal immigrants.
It's the only way to do it. How do we
outlove them.
Speaker 3: Well, it's I would argue that that's probably not the
right way to look at it. Let's hear that if
we're Christians, then by definition we're believers in the power
of the Holy Spirit of God to do work in
and among us, and in and among our culture. And
so you know, my encouragement is always to not try
to lean on our own wisdom and understanding and our
own strength. And if I can only explain it this way,
then maybe they'll quit doing this that I know is sinful,
but but be willing to pay the price for preaching
the truth in love and patience, and and you know
what the Bible will describe as long suffering. So for somebody,
somebody who's struggling with same sex attraction, they know that
it's wrong scripturally, they know what the Bible teaches. Our
job is not to try try to win them over
by our own cunning and understanding. It's basically to say,
this is what the Bible teaches. I love you, and
because I love you, I'm not going to withhold this
from you, and you might hate me for it. You
Jesus said, I've come to divide father against son, you know,
mother against daughter.
Speaker 4: That that would happen.
Speaker 3: We don't want that, I mean our of course, in
our humanity, we don't want that. It's not something that
we seek out. But are we willing to pay the price.
Because the biggest way that this kind of thing this
especially with kids, I mean that the transgender stuff with
kids and the you know my kid is I mean
five year olds and I think he's he's differently attracted
or he's. The way that this infiltrates well meaning churches,
well meaning Christian households and things, is because they are
unwilling to put their allegiance to God and his truth
above the relationship.
Speaker 4: So like.
Speaker 3: And we find this with conservative Christian pastors and all
of a sudden, they flip the switch and they're teaching
something different than what the Bible teaches about gender. And
ninety nine times out of one hundred you find that
this was a personal relationship. This this this was like
my son came out, my daughter came out, my my
niece or something was you know, their parents were claiming
that she was a boy trapped in a girl's body
or something. And because they are unwilling to, because they're
really idolizing and loving their relationships more than they're loving God,
they change, they compromise, they flip, and it's really tough.
I don't even deny how tough that is when there's
a there's a situation in our families and people that
we love that are now being disobedient. But the question
is do you love God and his truth more? And
are you willing to be consistent with them? And like, no,
I can't go there. I'm not changing what I believe
about this. Right, you need to repent, please, I'm baking
you repent.
Speaker 1: And I'm not suggesting that we go there with them
on the pronouns, et cetera. I'm going to share with
you in a second an example of what I mean.
There's this great debate about and you probably know you're
far more educated than I am, who actually said share
the Gospel with everyone you know, and when necessary, use
words right, right, and there's another. Okay, So I want
to give you an example of what I mean in
terms of out loving them, and I'll share it is
a personal example, and never change my views, will not.
I'm very public. It be very difficult for anyone in
my family to not ascertain my views on these things.
I shouldn't have to do what I'm going to do
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Telling me you're part of the Todd Hermanshaw family. David Morrel.
I had this this family reunion this past spring, and
one of our family members, Uh is of the opinion
that she is a man, and I love her, and
she's far younger than me, and I was I felt
stress and worry about this, and then I went to
the Bible. Okay, I knew I wasn't going to refer
to her with male pronouns. I can't. I can choose
to not use pronouns. My primary motivation there was to
let me disappear for her to experience God's love through me.
And so when I saw her and approached her, I
screwed up because I couldn't remember the new name. She
corrected me, I'm willing to use the name. That's her name.
That's not a lie, that's her name. She's changed her name.
And after we'd spent some time together, something amazing happened. David,
a homeless woman having a psychotic break drove up into
the mountains, I think, to kill herself, and my family
member found her and screamed for help, and I ran
up the hill and she and I together partnered in
helping this young girl. And then my sister came up
a liberal nurse practitioner, a liberal, very progressive, very terrified
of Trump. And she and I then tended to that
girl for the rest of the day, pretty much ignoring
the family reunion because she needed it to be safe.
Here's what happened is when I was leaving, I got
an opportunity to walk up to this young woman who
is gender confused, and I meant this, and this is
what the Holy Spirit gave me is I came to
her and said, I know you and I disagree in
something fundamentally important to you. I know that, and you
know that, but I want you to know I am
delighted to see you. Well, I love you, I'm very
proud of the career building, and I want you to
know that God has given you some great, great gifts.
And her response emotionally not why I said it, but
to see tears in her eyes and a recognition that
you still love me, and a recognition of there's this
thing you and I disagree on it and you know it.
My primary goal was that she walked away with Wait,
where was the hate filled Christian wishing me to hell?
That's what I mean by sharing the Gospel when not
using words that wow, that old man family member. He
actually read he does love me because I saw tears
in his eyes. Does that make sense? That's what I'm
talking about outloving them?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, and that is that is a it is a
valid component in something that we should all be doing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jesus teaches us to love our enemies, right,
So what what does that mean? He's he's he's He's
not teaching us that somebody who is violating the rights
of others, or somebody that is attacking us or our families,
that we just sit there and take it.
Speaker 4: That's not what he's teaching.
Speaker 3: But he is teaching that we are to be selfless
in our approach to everybody else, so they can know
as is as you outline there, that we disagree that
we believe this is this is a I mean, a
sinful problem. This is a problem that can separate you
from the kingdom even and yet still in my role
is I'm going to love you as much as I can.
I'll give you the shirt off my back. I don't
you know that what you believe or what you practice
in this area, or those kinds of things, it has
no impact on my desire to love view.
Speaker 4: But who defines love, well, God defines love.
Speaker 3: So love for her is going to be not compromising
the truth, not being unwilling to tell her and and
really like you know, following the leading of the spirit
in that conversation, right, the Spirit of God will tell
us now is the time that you need to really
tell them the truth? Or now is the time when
you need to just love them materially. And that's yeah,
that can be difficult to navigate sure for Christians. But
the important thing to know is that love is not
defined by their preferences. Love is not defined by their feelings.
Speaker 4: Or what they want.
Speaker 3: But love does involve, you know, materially caring for people
that we know are in sin. We know that that
you know or you know we believe or lost, we
still care for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think that God placed that young girl there
who is having this psychotic break and she'd you know,
a drug user. She still had on her on her
wrist a hospital bracelet because she'd checked herself out of treatment.
I believe God placed her right there so that my
younger family member would be the first to finder and
scream for help, and I would be the second one
there so that she could go, Wow, this old man,
he's like tossing everything aside, freezing, giving this girl his
coat as this like terrible spring snow is falling on him.
And I'm not trying to take credit for it. I
mean we're called to do that. I want to place
one more video clip here.
Speaker 4: This is a.
Speaker 1: False pastor awoke. In pastor, by the way, you should
trademark that if you invented that, that's a great phrase.
And in pastor talking about the militaristic bs and I
want to get your reaction to this and talk about
militarism in the church. And there are people who online
are really really proposing that Christians get overtly militaristic, that
you know what, the Christian army should go seize the
Middle East, We should go seize these countries. We should
forcibly physically fight back. And I want to talk about
that trend. Let's watch this video together.
Speaker 6: And the last Sunday of the church here today is
also designated to be sort of traditionally Christ the King Sunday,
or in modern times more likely called Reign of Christ Sunday.
And the point is this, I do not like the
concept of Christ the King Sunday, and I really don't
want to preach on it. And the reason is that
it has traditionally gotten preached as a kind of a
triumphalist victory over all our enemies, militaristic kind of thing,
and I think a that has no relationship whatsoever with
the notion of unconditional love that I believe is at
the heart of the Gospel. And B Jesus would be
utterly horrified to be worshiped in that kind of way.
And see, that kind of militaristic has absolutely no place
in church.
Speaker 1: But at least try to remember the rest of my sermon.
Speaker 6: So it has no place. And I dislike it because
it leads to all kinds of evil crap, like Christian nationalism,
which I declare to be a heresy, which also leads
to all kinds of evil, divisive.
Speaker 1: Crap like Well, I really like a sermon with BS
and the sea word in it for feces, because that's
the emphasis we need. So she's making this statement that's
Christ the King is a militaristic statement. It's about stomping
on her enemies. She's not going to preach that that's bs,
that sea word for for excrement, your response to that,
and the response in the comment sections and her if
she had any what's how do you feel about all that?
Speaker 3: Well, there's a there's a Christian nationalism as defined by
the left, by like the Marxist left that's in Western culture,
which is a very different thing than sort of the
Christian nationalism that has talked about within It's sort of
evangelical with a church conversation. And yeah, so this is
this is a pastors as we like to call female pastors,
a pastors at a at a very very radical I
believe it was an evangelical Lutheran church, and that that
denomination has been very left for a very long time.
It and and basically pushing this idea that if you
say Christ is King, that's some sort of you know,
dog whistle or something like that for some sort of militaristic, uh,
you know, takeover countries and Christianize them kind of a thing.
And well, yeah, I'm sure there's some people on the
fringes that support that kind of idea. That the thing
that I always pull from it is to want a
Christian nation is not to say that we want a
nation full of regenerate Christians.
Speaker 4: There's no way. We can prove that anyway.
Speaker 3: But I do want a nation where our laws and
our system and our our civil governance and things is
derived as it has been for the history of this country,
derived from Biblical precepts, from Christian understandings of justice, the
the amago day, the sanctity of the individual as the
rights bearer that then gives the gives up some of
that for the purpose of governing a nation, but that
they are the originators of you know, God gives us
rights and then we give some of that in as
as we desire to to a government. I mean that
is my definition of a Christian nation is a nation
that that operates itself in accordance with God's standards. And yeah,
there's gonna be some there's gonna be some personal elements
to that, right. I mean, our our system of governance
is is is good for what for for a sound
and moral people. It's it's it's wholly unfit for any other.
That's a true thing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So obviously we're gonna have to fight a culture war.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to fight a war for our legal system,
and we're gonna have to fight, you know, for laws
and government and structure to be what they are. But
we're also gonna have to fight the culture war of
you know, that's sinful behavior, you shouldn't do that. And
I think that's that that's what they really That's what
she's really taking the issue with this is like, what
do you mean you're you mean you're gonna tell me
that that's that that's simple and that's wrong, and that
I can't be whatever gender I want and so on
and so forth.
Speaker 4: I think I think that's what her her real beef
was right.
Speaker 1: And I think that Christian nationalism for me, a Christian
nation does not mean what a lot of leftists fear
it means. And I have family members if fear it
means this, that we take over the government and then
we come along and say, okay, convert or die. And
it's funny, I've never saw Jesus do that one single time,
because he could have made his work a lot shorter
if he just came along and got like a thousand
people said hey watch this, I'm lord about to me. No, okay,
you're all dead now next up right. It could have
been short and easy, but he chose to do it
the way he chose to do it. You know, it's
far too much of this, David, and I don't know.
I think I have time to discuss this other than
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resource and we didn't get to this. I kind of
got just distracted in our conversation. But you have a
friend of yours who's written the book called Shepherds for Sale,
and it seems that you think this is a great
tool for pastors and people in congregation. And the last
few minutes give us a download on that book of
why you think it's a important an important tool and
a book that people should own.
Speaker 3: So so back in back in July, Daily Wire reporter
Megan Bachelor released a book called Shepherds for Sale, in
which she basically had spent the last two years chronicling
the leftist infiltration into different parts of American event especially
American Evangelicalism, but American Christianity in general, through institutions, seminaries,
you know, podcasters and influencers, pastors and pulpits, uh, you know,
Christian media outlets like Christianity Today and these kinds of things,
and and like I bought a couple couple of copies
of the book and for my pastors, you know, my church,
just to to keep aware of what's going on out there.
Speaker 4: But there are a lot of things.
Speaker 3: As guys are pastoring on a daily basis and there,
and they're shepherding their local flocks, they can't possibly stay
informed of everything going on on in the broader in
the broader conversation, the broader culture. And so I mean
that's why websites like protests you exist. And Meg Bashm's
book Shepherds for Sale used a lot of our some
of our research and things as well, which I appreciated.
But it's it's kind of a good just a real
good resource and catching pastors up about Okay, how when
when I'm hearing these things coming into the church, where
I'm hearing the institutions I trust start pushing critical theory
and start pushing uh, you know, racial ideology that that
it's unbiblical, Where did it come from? How did it
get here? Who are who are the proponents of this.
It's a really good resource. For that reason, I told
people like, don't go buy this book and bash your
pastor over the head with it. Say oh, I heard
that in your sermon and you know you're you're anathma
or something. Don't do that, but but use it as
a resource to help catch them up with with with
what's going on in the broader conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. And congratulations on Protestia the Twitter channel.
We every time we use your clip I I or
clips I really try to give you credit. And I
hope you'll come back from time to time and join us.
And you're welcome any time here. Appreciate your work and
just thank you for letting God use you that way.
Speaker 4: David. I appreciate you deeply. Thank you, thanks to I
appreciate the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the Todd Herban Show. Please go be well,
be strong, be kind, and just make every effort on
a daily basis to walk in the light of Christ.