1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Berg and the recent passing of two heavyweights and when 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:09,800 I say super heavyweights, actually David Rockefeller and a Big 3 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:14,599 New Brazinski. And our next guest is an author. He's 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,199 also the founder of Jay's Analysis dot com but also 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,679 the author of the recent release the book is called 6 00:00:20,839 --> 00:00:25,199 Esoteric Hollywood. And Jay is also a regular on Alternate 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,920 Current Radio's Boiler Room, which are broadcast live every Thursday 8 00:00:29,239 --> 00:00:33,600 on ACR, hosted by the One the Only Hesher also 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,560 hosted the Hessian Session, and Jay Dyer is going to 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,799 help us hopefully navigate a little bit through what was 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,200 the Big New Brazinski all about. He is definitely one 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,039 of the most influential geopolitical thinkers I think of the 13 00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:52,719 last one hundred years, but his work also follows on 14 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,920 from other people before him. But welcome to the Sunday Wire, Jay, 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:57,960 Great to have you back. 16 00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: Thanks Patrick. I'm glad to be back. It's been probably 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,959 six or eight months since I was last on. And yeah, 18 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,959 we've seen the passing away of two, you know, within 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,200 the span of what a couple of months, both a 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,439 Rockfeller and Brazenski. And that's very interesting. 21 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: I didn't think David was going to die Storry to interrupt. 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, how many hearts is supposedly he had I 23 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,120 don't know if that's a true. 24 00:01:20,879 --> 00:01:23,879 Speaker 1: Story, er no, but he had a state of the 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,280 art trauma or heart sort of hospital thing bolted to 26 00:01:28,359 --> 00:01:30,920 his house with full time medical staff. 27 00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: And well, it's it's fitting because Brazanski, of course is 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,719 a kind of a protege of David Rockefeller, and there's 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,480 a lot of quotes where he spoke of him in 30 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:45,239 that way. So so you kind of have this passing 31 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,719 of the torch and then they're now both dead. So 32 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:50,879 you know, it's fitting as well that Builderberg is going 33 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,319 on because they're both obviously intimately tied into Bilderberg. 34 00:01:55,319 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: And you know, Brazinski, uh really came on the scene 35 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:02,920 in a big way as Jimmy Carter's national security advisor 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,319 at a really pivotal time in history as well, in 37 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:10,199 the late nineteen seventies and mid nineteen seventies nineteen seventy 38 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:13,759 six actually, but a lot was going on there. Brazinski 39 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,560 has been credited with many things Jay, not least of 40 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,759 all the creation of al Qaeda or helping with that process, 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,520 but also at a time when you know, a pivotal 42 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,319 time in US Soviet relations as well. And this is 43 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,879 really coming to the latter stages of the Cold War, 44 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,479 and so just walk us through. You know, why is 45 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,599 Brazinski so important? Why was he so influential. We'll talk 46 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,000 about his books in a minute, but you know what 47 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:46,080 was it about? Why was Brazinski holding this sort of 48 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,439 grand plan and why others were not as influential. Why 49 00:02:50,599 --> 00:02:51,520 was he so special? 50 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's partly because of his experience growing up. The 51 00:02:56,599 --> 00:03:00,479 story at least is that because of Soviet occupation and Poland, 52 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,599 and because of his noble Polish descent, you know, the 53 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,199 family had to flee and they landed in Canada and 54 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,759 it's from there that Brazienski kind of rose into the 55 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,319 ranks of academia and the academic establishment. And then he 56 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,919 would go to McGill University, which is very interesting because 57 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,919 McGill is a very well connected deep state school. You 58 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,240 could say, because anyone who's done a lot of research 59 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:31,199 on the what's public in regard to the mk ulture program, 60 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:34,800 McGill was central to that. Many of the studies were 61 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,120 actually done there, as well as dozens of other universities. 62 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:40,960 And the reason I bring that up is not to 63 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,120 be over the conspiratorial but rather if you know what 64 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,879 in culture was really about, not so much, you know, 65 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,240 creating a mind control assassin, but rather social engineering. I 66 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,759 think that really informs his first nineteen seventy book, which is, 67 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,599 you know, between two Ages, and it's in between two 68 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:04,360 ages where you have the presentation of a lot of futurism, 69 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,680 technocratic managerial control, and this is what would catch the 70 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:12,840 eye of David Rockefeller. Many writers who've written on this 71 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:17,480 have discussed that that it was really the book that 72 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,920 impressed David Rockefeller, that kind of got him recruited into 73 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,519 the NGO complex. And really, in many ways, Brazenski is 74 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,160 kind of the godfather. I think you posted an article 75 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:33,439 showing him as a machiavellian character behind the Prince. I 76 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:36,160 think that's very accurate. He's really the father of this 77 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:41,439 whole NGO smart complex, soft power approach and technology that 78 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,120 we're seeing played out not only in Syria, but also 79 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,399 in the last several conflicts the last few decades, back 80 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:52,319 to as you mentioned nineteen seventy nine with Afghanistan and. 81 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,959 Speaker 1: So David Rocke. You talked about the synergy between Rockefeller 82 00:04:56,959 --> 00:04:59,759 in Brazenski and how the book Between Two Ages by 83 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,199 his big new Brazinski, why that would have caught the 84 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,240 eye of David Rockefeller. And is it because underlying the 85 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,000 sort of the un idea, the one child policy in China, 86 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,680 population control, Underneath all this is the need for some 87 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:18,879 kind of technocratic expertise. And is this what Rockefeller saw 88 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,639 in Between Two Ages? Or because this book is yes, 89 00:05:22,959 --> 00:05:25,959 it's kind of foreshadowing a lot of stuff that actually 90 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:26,959 has come to fruition. 91 00:05:27,439 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I say it's the book is like HG. Wells 92 00:05:30,959 --> 00:05:37,240 meets Carol Quiggly meets Bertrand Russell, and you can throw 93 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,360 out all of the friendly veneer of Carol Quigglely with 94 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:45,439 his pseudo Catholic approach. This is just the hardcore technocratic 95 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,560 skeletal remains of what you find in Quigley, with all 96 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,920 the excess baggage shed and it's just straight into the point. 97 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,160 And I think that was part of the reason that 98 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:02,040 David Rockefeller was prompted to actually call a Kissinger and 99 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:04,399 he said, you know, I've got a guy that I 100 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:07,519 want to set up as the chairman of a new 101 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,480 entity that will kind of, in a way supersede the CFR, 102 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,399 and so this is kind of a SUPERDFR if you 103 00:06:14,439 --> 00:06:17,680 will well, which is Allateral Commission. It was founded by 104 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,800 Rockefeller and featured Brazinski as its first head in nineteen 105 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,040 seventy two slash three. 106 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: And so so the Trilateral Commission Commission hugely influential, especially 107 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:34,800 on the Pacific RIM as well with the emerging China. 108 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,079 But also if you know the TAP, the transpecific partnership, 109 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,920 A lot of people believe that's the life's work of 110 00:06:40,959 --> 00:06:46,279 the of the Trilateral Commission. So what other work was 111 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:47,399 involved in? 112 00:06:47,959 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very important, I think to understand all of 113 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,199 what I mean, there's so much that's in between two 114 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:57,959 ages that that it really it's really difficult to boil down. 115 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,519 But I mean, he talks about the death of ideology, 116 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,120 and along with the he lists three things. Basically, you 117 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:10,279 have the death of ideology, you have the death of religion, 118 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,800 you have the death of nationalism. And so these forces 119 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:22,480 have been replaced by consumerism and the international liberal market order. 120 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,079 But Brazinski is not really he doesn't buy into anything 121 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,000 like a capitalist socialist dialectic. He thinks that you know, 122 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,680 all of those ideologies are again part of that section 123 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:37,480 of things that have gone the old way. Their dinosaurs, 124 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,199 they're dead. We're moving into a new age, where the 125 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,160 hints the title between two ages. The new age that 126 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,759 we're moving into will be one that will have to 127 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:51,959 be dominated by some superpower. And at that time when 128 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:54,399 he was writing that in nineteen seventy, of course, it 129 00:07:54,519 --> 00:07:57,160 was the United States, and he was arguing that, you 130 00:07:57,199 --> 00:07:59,199 know that the Soviet Union could not be in any 131 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,000 way allowed to have supremacy. You know, he has that 132 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,040 virulent anti Russian stance going all the way back to 133 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:09,079 his childhood. And so that's really the amazing foresight in 134 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,879 that book is that he kind of foresaw the dismantling 135 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:15,040 of the soul Union. He also laid out many of 136 00:08:15,079 --> 00:08:19,360 the plans and strategies to as to how to do that, 137 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:21,360 and that would come to fruition, you know, in the 138 00:08:21,439 --> 00:08:24,639 nineteen ninety seven book Grand Chess Board. But again, what's 139 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,680 so crucial is not just the consumerism, not just the 140 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:34,679 the rejecting of any ideology or religion, but the explicit 141 00:08:34,759 --> 00:08:39,879 statements of all of the techniques of technocracy, managerial controlled 142 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:46,080 by bureaucrats, moving this into a global sphere, dismantling the 143 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,039 older ideas of nation state and religion, and that you 144 00:08:49,039 --> 00:08:54,879 could literally control the population, you could literally control mass communications, 145 00:08:55,399 --> 00:08:58,960 and even beyond that into the spheres of you know, 146 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:05,720 exotic weapons with weather modification, electromagnetic pulse control through towers 147 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:09,279 that would actually target whole continents. I mean, you know, 148 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,559 he's really he's really the source for why so many 149 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:18,279 people who are derided as conspiracy theorists have a legitimate, 150 00:09:18,919 --> 00:09:22,559 I think argument as to why weather modification and geoengineering 151 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,840 and all this stuff is very real. So you know, 152 00:09:25,879 --> 00:09:29,039 when we hear all this stuff about climate change, you know, 153 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,679 how come nobody ever brings up the fact that Brazinski 154 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:34,480 said that weather modification could be used for this kind 155 00:09:34,519 --> 00:09:35,639 of stuff, you know what I mean. 156 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing that when this book was written, you know, 157 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:43,720 theoretically anyway, maybe this technology, some of the technology was around, 158 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,399 but it was way way before some of the trends 159 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:48,960 had sort of become clear. 160 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,279 Speaker 2: And give you one example, he even says that through 161 00:09:54,279 --> 00:09:56,559 the net, and he's writing this again in nineteen seventy 162 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,399 the internet. He says that in the future will be 163 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:03,879 taking their university classes on the net. So that's how 164 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:04,720 that's how far ahead. 165 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: He was, Yeah, so I mean, based on this Jay Is, 166 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:09,519 I'm what I'm the point I was trying to make 167 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:12,159 to some people a few weeks ago after we posted 168 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,440 the obituary of Brazinski, I said, you know, judgments aside. 169 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,639 This is my exact words, judgments aside. This is one 170 00:10:19,639 --> 00:10:23,559 of the most influential thinkers of the last hundred years. 171 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,759 And do you think that's a fair assessment. 172 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,799 Speaker 2: I would say so, because he's he's one of these 173 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,960 A lot of people characterize him as the brains. You know, 174 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,240 you have the bankers, and then maybe the bloods, the 175 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,120 old money and then but they're not always necessarily engaged 176 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:41,039 in strategies and psychological warfare. You need guys who are 177 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,320 the brains to do that. And so you know, you 178 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,159 have the Kissingers, you have the Brazienskis, you have the Quiglies. 179 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,200 You know, these are the brains. 180 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,039 Speaker 1: So absolutely, and so following on from that, one of 181 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,519 his big seller's best sellers after that was The Grand 182 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,759 Chess Board. And so now we're getting into sort of 183 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,759 real politic geopolitical style, and so a lot of his 184 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,960 theories he's built on top of the Halford mckinder uh 185 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:12,240 you know, world island the heartland theory. You know, whoever, 186 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,600 whoever can capture that that precious patch of land known 187 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:21,279 as the Eurasian land bridge, you know around Georgia, Ukraine, 188 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:26,919 Crimea and the steps of the urals there, that is 189 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,679 the basically the person who's going to basically rule the world. 190 00:11:29,919 --> 00:11:32,720 And that's kind of been true in the last few 191 00:11:32,799 --> 00:11:35,919 hundred years. So many countries have fought, you know, to 192 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,559 win or to occupy that old Silk road route or 193 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,840 that Eurasian piece of midpoint between Europe and Asia as 194 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,440 or and so is this I know, this has dominated 195 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:52,000 geopolitical thought and strategy for pretty much the whole twentieth 196 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,519 century and still even you could argue into the twenty 197 00:11:55,559 --> 00:12:00,440 first century. Uh, but did Brazilski or anybody see is 198 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,080 becoming secondary in the future. In other words, maybe technology 199 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,279 or fast air travel or something might eclipse the need 200 00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:11,080 to basically rule that area in order to rule the 201 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,000 world absolutely. 202 00:12:13,039 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: You know, this is, as he calls it, the geopolitical 203 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:20,159 pivot in that region, He argues, because of its resources, 204 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:24,960 because of its minerals, because of its population. You know, 205 00:12:25,039 --> 00:12:27,519 seventy five percent of the population is in the Eurasian 206 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,759 land mass. All of this, Brazienski argues just flat out, 207 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:32,759 by the way, it's not a conspiracy theory. He just 208 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:36,519 specifically says this is in nineteen ninety seven at least 209 00:12:36,519 --> 00:12:40,879 crucial for the Anglo American establishment to control, to maintain 210 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,159 American hegemony. And what's amazing also is that he says 211 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,440 that if the Western Empire, and he uses the terms 212 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,559 of imperialism, he says that if they don't control these vassals, 213 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:56,480 and if they don't actually cause the destabilization in a 214 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,960 lot of the former Soviet satellites, then the world will 215 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,200 fall into anarchy. So in other words, if I don't 216 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,320 cause anarchy, the world will fall into anarchy. Uh. It's 217 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:11,480 very again, Maketbellian. And that's why Brazinski, from the first 218 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:14,039 book all the way to his last book, Strategic Vision, 219 00:13:14,759 --> 00:13:18,960 was consistently talking about Manichean dialectics, and he's always saying that, yes, 220 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,960 you've got to control both sides of the conflict. He says, 221 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,519 the internationalists will always have the upper hand precisely because 222 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:30,519 they're not caught up in ideology or left right or 223 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,320 you know, good guy bad guy there, they supersede that 224 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,759 and so they're able to kind of say above the 225 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,559 fray and therefore manage it. So he's kind of the 226 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:44,080 father of the modern hybrid warfare, you know, approach to 227 00:13:44,799 --> 00:13:49,360 managing controlled chaos. And that's actually what he wrote as well. 228 00:13:49,399 --> 00:13:53,559 In between two ages. It also mentions the possibilities of 229 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:00,919 exploiting religious, social class differences and tensions in any specific 230 00:14:01,039 --> 00:14:05,200 region to exacerbate a political revolution or a coup or 231 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,360 a you know, replacing head of state. All of that, 232 00:14:08,039 --> 00:14:10,519 you know, is laid out very clear in the old 233 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,600 old work, and then in the nineteen ninety seven book 234 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:17,679 it's kind of just an updated approach to really setting 235 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,679 the stage for the war on terror. You know, he 236 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,960 mentioned some of the same phraseology of the Project for 237 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,519 the American Century, where he talks about, you know, a 238 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:32,080 new pearl harbor could give the impression of the great 239 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,679 external threat, and then that great external threat could of 240 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:38,440 course always be a justification for any kind of foreign 241 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,360 policy ventures or domestic surveillance. You know. He again, Brazenski 242 00:14:42,399 --> 00:14:46,039 is really the brainchild of a lot of the practice 243 00:14:46,559 --> 00:14:50,480 of how the US is operated, not just since you know, 244 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:54,720 the sixties and Carter and trial otoral Commission, but also 245 00:14:54,799 --> 00:14:56,720 since the nine to eleven in the War on Terror. 246 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:00,279 So I think Brazenski was a big thinker in sort 247 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:05,080 of formulating where the US would go further into this 248 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,279 and mindless, you know, expansionist perspective. 249 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:13,159 Speaker 1: So I can imagine him in the situation room, you know, 250 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,879 with any of these presents, basically saying He's telling them, look, 251 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:19,039 it's going it's going to blow eventually, so we're going 252 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,000 to make it blow, and this is how we're going 253 00:15:21,039 --> 00:15:23,360 to manage the fallout, and this is how we're going 254 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,120 to benefit from that on the back end, you know, 255 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,200 just a full solution from beginning end. You know, we're 256 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,200 going to light the match, we're going to burn it, 257 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:34,120 and then we're going to put out the fire, and 258 00:15:34,159 --> 00:15:36,519 then we're going to rebuild. I could see, I could 259 00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:40,360 see where his sort of strategy. This guy, I mean, 260 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,120 if you look at him compared to other National Security Advisors, 261 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,120 Jay who I don't know much about, but I do know, 262 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:48,320 like Susan Rice, for instance, and I look at the 263 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,600 stuff that Brazinsky was putting out forty years ago, and 264 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:55,480 I'm like, this guy is very hardcore compared quite an 265 00:15:55,480 --> 00:16:00,879 IQ deferential between Brazenski and these characters, not saying that 266 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:03,919 Brazenski was a virtuous man, but more so on the 267 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:05,919 cunning Machiavelian side. 268 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:10,399 Speaker 2: But definitely a great iq disparity there between these these 269 00:16:10,759 --> 00:16:14,679 present day clowns. But you know, again to look at 270 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,600 an example of this, this fore planning foresight. You know, 271 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:22,279 in the Grand Chessboard, he talks about how Ukraine is 272 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,399 crucial to Russia. Fifty two million people he's running in 273 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,840 nineteen ninety seven, a lot of economic and power and 274 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:35,039 resource there, and Brazenski says that the US will have 275 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:40,200 to remove Ukraine from the sphere of Russia. So in 276 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:43,960 nineteen ninety seven, Brazenski is telegraphing to you what would 277 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,120 happen in twenty fourteen. 278 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Mike, this reminds me of like he was maybe 279 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,879 he was trained by the British or something. Where do 280 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,000 you get this where do you get this Machiavelian mindset from? 281 00:16:54,039 --> 00:16:59,120 It's extraordinary though the track record from the nineteen six. 282 00:16:58,919 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: He's also the father of Putin as Hitler, which is 283 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,039 not brought up very often, but that meme really comes 284 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:05,920 from Brazinski. 285 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 3: Jay just uh, you talk about his foresight and so on, 286 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:17,680 and and his UH his concerns about Soviet influence in 287 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,240 the world and so on. But he while he was 288 00:17:20,279 --> 00:17:23,799 in office, of course, he he helped normalize relationship with China, 289 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:27,799 and then later on he UH broke relations with China 290 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,759 over Taiwan and so on. So but what what did 291 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:32,799 he have to say about chain Did he foresee what 292 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,400 they influence of China was eventually going to have in 293 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:35,799 the world. 294 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's interesting because the older Brazinski back during 295 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,640 the Cold War would write about China and Russia as threats, 296 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:48,920 and then as you move up into the nineties, he 297 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,079 warms up to China and again, you know, the main 298 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:57,880 force in Grand Chess board, that is the concern, is 299 00:17:58,319 --> 00:18:02,359 what Patrick said, the perennial concern of the British Empire Russia, 300 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,160 you know, the the eternal enemy. But then by the 301 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,319 time of Strategic Vision, which was also written right around 302 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,039 the twenty thirteen or fourteen, right around the time actually 303 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:18,200 of the the Ukraine situation, he begins to actually warm 304 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:21,359 up to both and he's and he says, we can 305 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,799 move into an international order where we can actually work 306 00:18:24,839 --> 00:18:29,079 with China, but Russia is still the main concern. So 307 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,440 I don't know in particular about the situation with Taiwan 308 00:18:32,519 --> 00:18:35,720 as to whether that really was a big deal with 309 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,680 with Brazenski, because I think he's more of a long 310 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:42,680 term strategist. He's mainly concerned with the end goal, which 311 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,680 is how are we going to get to the international order. 312 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,079 I mean, this pretty much dominates all the books. It's 313 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,160 we've got to get the international order. This is one 314 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,039 of the reasons why Brazenski has a kind of pseudo 315 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,359 critic of the neocons and Bush is that that after 316 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,240 the big terror events, they he says, they don't to 317 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,200 the the international order the way it should be done. 318 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:08,079 They rely on this sort of you know, American imperial 319 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,079 model when it really needs to shift into into more 320 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:16,839 of the United Nations model. So by strategic vision, he's 321 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,240 arguing that we really need to, you know, look past 322 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:24,920 any of these kind of older divides of Russia or 323 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,720 Russian nationalism or any kind of nationalism. It's it's just 324 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:33,599 time to move past that and create the international order. 325 00:19:34,279 --> 00:19:37,079 Speaker 1: And with some of these these characters Jay, you see 326 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:39,839 that later in life, sort of in their twilight years, 327 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,599 they do light lighten up to some degree in compared 328 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,920 to their hardcore form or selfs. Brazinski had a statement 329 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,759 that I that stuck in my head. He said that 330 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,039 the one thing that could threaten the world order, or 331 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,440 sort of our design of it, is some kind of 332 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,319 a global awakening brought on by some great wave of 333 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:02,160 political a way awareness or something. And I wasn't sure 334 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,000 if he was speaking about that as if it was 335 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:06,640 a threat to the world order, or if it was 336 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:11,480 going to be absorbed into the orders as possibly a 337 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:14,759 positive thing. It was hard. It was an ambivalent statement. 338 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:17,039 I don't know. Did you did you see that. 339 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:20,079 Speaker 2: This has dealt with in Strategic Vision the last book, 340 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,400 And what he talks about is he, you know, as 341 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,240 that strategist, he's not really putting a positive or negative 342 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,240 appraisal on it. He's basically looking at the facts and 343 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:32,880 he's saying, all right, this is going to happen. You're 344 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,559 going to have this mass awakening because of the move 345 00:20:35,599 --> 00:20:38,880 of internationalism is obviously going to upset a lot of people. 346 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,599 You're gonna have reactions, and so what needs to happen 347 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,079 is that these reactionary movements have to be kind of 348 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,640 corralled and co opted. He actually talks about co opting 349 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,839 these things, and I think that's what the whole you know, 350 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,240 NNGO model is there to do in any of these 351 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:58,359 regions where you have reactions, Uh, you know, the soft 352 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,079 power model that we talked about the you and Vanessa 353 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,680 Bilia written so well about. You know that Brazenski has 354 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,279 been saying for decades that that's really the key to 355 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:12,599 containing the discontent that's going to happen as a result 356 00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:15,759 of globalism. So, yes, he knows there's going to be 357 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:18,200 an awakening, he talks about it, but he definitely wants 358 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,440 to see it co opted and turned into the anti 359 00:21:22,519 --> 00:21:25,359 American globalist model. And so that's where I think the 360 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,079 key to understanding Brezenski is that when he was arguing 361 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:32,200 for American imperialism back in nineteen ninety seven, that was 362 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:35,039 just as a tool. And so it's kind it's kind 363 00:21:35,079 --> 00:21:39,240 of a cloak or a skelet, it's kind of a 364 00:21:39,279 --> 00:21:42,839 costume that can be shed. And so once you get 365 00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:46,559 the movement, once America has been demonized to a certain 366 00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:50,160 degree that is actually part of the plan, you can 367 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,039 just kind of discard it for the new international order. 368 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,400 Oh that's here to fix us or to here to 369 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,880 fix the problems you know that America caused. Now I'm 370 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,880 very critical of America and American ideology, but I'm saying 371 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,559 that from the Brazinski Machiavellian standpoint, he doesn't have a 372 00:22:07,599 --> 00:22:10,039 problem saying, Look, if we can use America for a 373 00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:12,319 time period to create a global order, and this is 374 00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:17,079 what he says, to extend consumerism, then we can shift 375 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:22,200 into the new phase of the technocratic global order that 376 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:26,200 doesn't need America and its baggage anymore. We can shed 377 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,440 that skin. 378 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:31,839 Speaker 1: That's very interesting. So, you know, I don't want to 379 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,599 get into comparing his vision to the present day, but 380 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:39,680 you know, do you think it's possible that some of 381 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,319 this is happening right now, that we are actually moving 382 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,039 into that phase or in the future. 383 00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:48,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think what he was arguing in nineteen seventy 384 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,079 was that the internet consumerism. This is another big point 385 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,839 that he talks about in between two ages, and then 386 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,440 into interviews that he would give in the nineteen nineties. 387 00:22:58,599 --> 00:22:59,839 I read a whole bunch of those, and he was 388 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:03,720 saying that consumerism is key because it is going to 389 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,119 destroy the traditional ideologies. So you have this idea of 390 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,279 and this is why he's hard depend down on capitalism 391 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,960 or communism, and people can't figure out if Brazenski's a 392 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,400 socialist or a capitalist or he's more of it. He's 393 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,960 a he's a pragmatist, so he's he's interested in consumerism 394 00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:23,640 destroying existing cultures, and this is what he says. Uh, 395 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:29,160 then you have an open field for moving these deracinated 396 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:35,240 people into something new, which will be the technocratic modus 397 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,920 operandi of the city state models like you talked about. 398 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,279 I think that's very much in line with with what 399 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,480 Brazenski would would like to see in the future. So 400 00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:49,160 the global awakening, Yeah, he's he sees that and he 401 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,720 would like to see it co opted. So I think absolutely. 402 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,519 Speaker 1: And so let's look at you mentioned about the NGOs 403 00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:59,240 and the color revolute as a kind of a tool 404 00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:04,359 in order to shape or to maybe infiltrate, to destabilize, 405 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:09,599 to reform. So another so Brazinski, another character in right 406 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,200 Now who's still alive, roughly the same age as Brazinski, 407 00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:19,000 also from Eastern Europe, coming from some similar time, similar 408 00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:22,240 time frame point in history, very different background though in 409 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:25,880 terms of family, and I'm talking about George Soros, so 410 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,640 and they're two interesting characters because they're both playing they're 411 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,839 both playing a role I think in the same sort 412 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,680 of direction. They're working in the same direction, although they 413 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,720 do different jobs or they providing, they're playing a different 414 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:42,039 role in this story of this world order. Do you 415 00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:47,279 see Brazinski and Soros were they Was there a symbiotic 416 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:49,799 relationship there in what the two were doing with their 417 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:52,759 life's work? You know it take a step back, how 418 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:54,160 do you compare and look at this? 419 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,599 Speaker 2: I think that you know, in the character Brazinski, you 420 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,359 have the appear rents at least of a statesman, an academic. 421 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:06,920 Uh And with the character of Soros, you have the 422 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:13,480 venture speculative capitalist. So in many ways they're they're very different. 423 00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:18,200 But the models of strategy of psychological warfare and the 424 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,440 technology of how you can cause destabilization and control chaos, 425 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,640 they're absolutely in agreement there. So you know, they've they 426 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,119 have both been part of some of the same steering 427 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,759 committees and uh, these higher level Builderberg type groups that 428 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:36,759 you know, Bilderberg also has these kind of side groups 429 00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:41,279 that they'll create International Crisis Group, which was spearheaded by 430 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:44,839 I believe Soros and Brazenski and Kissinger, and this this 431 00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:49,039 was to deal with Serbia and how to how to 432 00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:52,799 carve up Serbia after the Clinton bombings in the nineties 433 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:55,480 and all that. So so they definitely have worked together 434 00:25:55,559 --> 00:26:00,519 at times. But and and definitely Brazinski with the National 435 00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:05,359 Endowment of Democracy USAID model, that's all perfectly in line 436 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,640 with Soros. But it also reminds me of another thing. 437 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,720 That's there's a little bit of nuance here, because if 438 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:15,119 you look at something like Israel, Brazenski has not always 439 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,799 been a big proponent of Israel. In fact, he was 440 00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:21,519 a supporter of the John Meerscheimer book that was a 441 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:28,799 critic criticism of Apak and Israeli foreign policy, Israeli influence 442 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,319 on American foreign policy, so resils. And again I think 443 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,279 that that kind of illustrates the point I was making 444 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:37,680 earlier about America is that back in the Cold War period, 445 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:40,680 you know, Brazenski probably saw Israel as some sort of 446 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,519 quote outpost for the defense of freedom and free market 447 00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:48,440 in the Middle East. But when you read the later Brazinski, 448 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,720 he doesn't seem to have any care or concern for 449 00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:54,559 Israel because he again believes in the death of ideology 450 00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:57,119 in Nation States. So you know, that doesn't really jibe 451 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,720 well with Israeli nationalism or the lacut or any of 452 00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:04,839 that stuff. So a lot of the Israeli right does not. 453 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:09,200 They're not big fans of Brazenski. So in terms of Soros, 454 00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:11,519 you know, as far as I understand, I may be 455 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:14,160 wrong about this. I think Soros is a pretty big 456 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,400 patron of Israel. Is he not? 457 00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:19,279 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's that's that's actually unknown, because a 458 00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,000 lot of Israelis think that he's undermining Israel. 459 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, maybe maybe he is more like Brezenski than 460 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:26,119 I thought. 461 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,039 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. That's kind of a 462 00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:31,920 mystery actually what Soros's views on Israel are. I don't 463 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,880 know if there's anybody out there that can enlighten us 464 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,519 on that, but I've actually been looking for that for 465 00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:39,440 quite some time, and it's not easy to find. Actually, 466 00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:43,480 So he seems to be slightly atheistic in that way. 467 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,319 But Soros is is ultimately a strategist, and he's basically 468 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,400 a chess player and a gambler, So I would assume 469 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,079 that he's looking at Israel in the way that Brazinski 470 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,720 would as a sort of a tool or a piece 471 00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:00,359 on the grand chessboard that can be moved, you store, 472 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,039 can be useful in some bigger scheme. That's how I 473 00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:07,720 would see the way maybe that Soros looks at everything 474 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:09,200 actually not just. 475 00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and it certainly it was Brazenski who again 476 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,519 back in I think March of two thousand and fourteen 477 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,119 or so, somewhere in there. It's actually Bazenski wrote Washington 478 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,359 Post editorial where he was the first to say that 479 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,400 the Hitler was excuse me, that Putin was Hitler. So 480 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,599 this was definitely promoted by Soros. So they have a 481 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,079 lot of common goals here. And my guess would be 482 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:40,039 that if there's any divergence, then it's of the same 483 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,960 level of the divergence between him and the neocons, which 484 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,680 is to say, not very much. 485 00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there is some bad blood between some 486 00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:54,240 Jews and Soros because of the story that he I 487 00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,599 think that it was in his book. Actually we spoke 488 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,319 about this earlier in the week. I think he was young. 489 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:01,240 He was a young he was nine ten to eleven. 490 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:04,400 I can't remember working for his uncle under an assumed name, 491 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,039 so that they not using the Jewish name, and his 492 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:10,720 father had basically put him with his uncle and said, right, 493 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:13,920 you look after little George. I forgot what George's old 494 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,920 name was. But they went around liquidating the property of 495 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,799 Jews before they stuck them on box cars. And George 496 00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:23,400 was pretty happy about this in his biography, saying that 497 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,680 this was the greatest time of his life and this 498 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,839 is really the thing that made him. And so it 499 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,079 was kind of very weird and kind of interesting but 500 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:39,000 slightly spooky story there from Sorous's past, and he didn't 501 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,319 boast about that, Mike. In that recent interview that we 502 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,160 featured on the news program, he left that part of 503 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,319 the story out. But what did he include in that story. 504 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 3: Well, he absolutely said that this was a seminal influence 505 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,160 on his life, this period in his life, but he 506 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,519 didn't go quite as far as to describe that section 507 00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:00,559 of the story. 508 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,279 Speaker 1: He talked about the need for nations to have the 509 00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:08,119 right leadership at the right time to avoid catastrophe. I 510 00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:11,720 think he was talking about Eastern Europe or Nazi Germany, 511 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,680 I guess World War two or Hungary in the Second 512 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:21,079 World War. So definitely shaped, hugely shaped by his past. 513 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,440 Both Brazinski and sours very anti Russian. 514 00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 3: Are we allowed to bring in another name here, which 515 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,720 I think is probably under present circumstances important to mention, 516 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:32,160 and that's Samuel Huntington. 517 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: Ah. Yes, Braszinski's friend. 518 00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: Brazhinsky invited him onto the National Security Consul when he 519 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:44,519 was and of course Huntington also a Trilateral commission. And Jay, 520 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:48,160 I'm just sort of wondering if with any idea of 521 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,359 what Brazhinsky's thoughts were, because obviously Huntingdon's seminal work as 522 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,440 a class of civilizations, we seem to be saying that 523 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,559 type of doctrine being an act it in front of 524 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,359 our eyes. Did did Brazinski have any influence on that 525 00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:04,079 or do we know? 526 00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:07,599 Speaker 2: That's a good question. I know that it was actually 527 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:11,000 Bernard Lewis of the UK who pioneered the idea of 528 00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:14,839 clash of civilization and that's who kind of instructed the 529 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:22,240 informed the Huntington approach. But yeah, perfectly, it perfectly lines 530 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:26,200 up because Brazinski says in many places, all the way 531 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,440 back in between two ages, that that the borders have 532 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,319 got to go, the borders have got to go. He's 533 00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,559 one of the pioneers of this ideology and. 534 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: White borders, right, yes, nation state borders got to go. 535 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that's because nation states, just like religious ideologies, 536 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,599 are dead now because of the international market order and 537 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,000 consumerism and technology. By the way, tech tech is the 538 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:57,720 the great forces of mowing down ideology in Prasinski's mind. 539 00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:02,400 So in regard to the clash of civilizations, I think 540 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,160 Brazinski fits perfectly into that model. That's why he was 541 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:10,000 so excuse me useful in nineteen seventy nine, because that 542 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,200 is exactly a clash of civilizations, you know, that the 543 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:19,920 Soviets supposed atheist model clashing with these proxy mujia hydene forces. Yeah. 544 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: So that and that is still we're still feeling the 545 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,319 after effects of that time. 546 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: Today, the or the against the bringing Soros right, the 547 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:33,680 Victoria Newland, Soros State Department funding of rights sector probably 548 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,359 sector in Ukraine. That fits perfectly in line with I mean, 549 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,039 it's not Islamic civilization, but it is a quote clash 550 00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:45,200 of civilizations in a way, because it's a clash of 551 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:49,480 the far right of more or less Hilarian neo Nazi 552 00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:56,000 period of Ukraine ramming up against the vestiges of the 553 00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:58,680 Russian Empire. Of the Russian sphere of influence, and so 554 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,559 speaking of clash of civilizations. 555 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: While we're on the subject, you know, the big talking 556 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,240 point right now in the UK is there's an avalanche 557 00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:13,880 on Twitter after the London Bridge attacks. I thought I'd 558 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,960 just bring this in because it's a topical, but this 559 00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:21,880 is this. I mean, the the anti Muslim rhetoric is 560 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:28,359 off the charts now and there's people demanding they're demanding detention, deportation, 561 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,640 close the borders and I think by tomorrow probably bombing 562 00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:37,640 somewhere in the Middle East. So basically this is where 563 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,559 Britain is at right now. This is just mind you, 564 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,759 this is just on the internet, this is on Twitter. 565 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,200 But I do feel like these ideas have really taken 566 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,759 hold in the wake of these last three the sort 567 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:57,759 of the trifector of these three terrorist attacks. Westminster which 568 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:00,200 wasn't much of a terrorist attack but it was on 569 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:04,599 the capitol, and then Manchester which was a very high 570 00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,920 profile and then last night with London Bridge. So a 571 00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:12,880 complete transformation of the mindset. You talk about clash of civilizations, 572 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,440 I mean, like Mike said, we're watching it, We're seeing 573 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,639 it happen. It's just. 574 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 2: If Brazenski is reading his Twitter feed from Hades at 575 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,800 this moment. He's elated because he's seeing exactly what he 576 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,559 knew would work. And a lot of people are confused 577 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,559 because they're they're going to fall into the false left 578 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,960 right dialectic over this, because they're going to assume ignorantly, 579 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,480 of course, that the entire Middle East and all all 580 00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:46,639 people of Eurasian persuasion are are in some way radicals, 581 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,960 and that they're inimical to the completely now degenerate Western 582 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:56,199 values of Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus. So you know, 583 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,320 those those things are just not compatible with the more 584 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,599 traditional min mindset of these other cultures. And so Brazienski 585 00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:04,679 knew all this, and he knew again that when you 586 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:11,239 have the removal of borders and large scale population migration 587 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,800 all again. This has been written about by many, many 588 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:19,320 scholars in academia. Kelly Greenhill, what you cause the decivilization 589 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,599 You move the peoples into a foreign region. This is 590 00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:28,360 a kind of population warfare that causes tensions. And then 591 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,719 you just get some intelligence agencies to exacerbate that with 592 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,960 Patsy's and dukes and morons, and you have the exact 593 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,960 chemical reaction that you want. You see that. It really 594 00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:44,760 is that simple. And Brazinski was a mastermind of that. 595 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,119 He really was. He's written about it, he's talked about 596 00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,760 it for decades. That you can do this. It's a strategy. 597 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,760 It's not a conspiracy theory. So people who really want 598 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,519 to try to understand what's going on, I think you 599 00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:59,360 have to see that bigger picture and you can see 600 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,559 it in Brazil's writings. 601 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: And what would be the bye, what would be the 602 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,559 byproduct of that, the sort of desired effect from let's 603 00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:11,840 say the globalist or Brazinski point of view. After you've 604 00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:16,159 moved the populations, after you've exacerbated it, then what's next 605 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:19,760 is it? Is it a lockdown of society with a 606 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,199 technocracy and then more Oceania wars overseas? What's next? 607 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a whole bunch of things. It's very useful. 608 00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:32,159 So one thing it does is that it actually causes 609 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,559 people to view humans as the problem. 610 00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:36,199 Speaker 1: Uh. 611 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,679 Speaker 2: And this may sound a little far fetched, but I 612 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,360 assure you that this is written of in white papers. 613 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,360 They'll talk about how the more that you can move 614 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:50,599 people into mass cosmopolitan areas and exacerbate those tensions this 615 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,519 actually promotes the idea of the need for depopulation, uh 616 00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:58,000 and the only way that you can get that depopulation 617 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:03,039 is through bureaucracy and managerial control. There was a very 618 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,719 telling video that one of the UK think tanks put 619 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,599 out called Plannedopolis, and in that Plannedopolis video, they're projecting 620 00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:15,840 the UK's day to day life, you know, in twenty 621 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:19,519 thirty or twenty fifty or something like that, and it's 622 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:27,880 a completely controlled, gentrified, smart city city states situation where 623 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,840 everything where there's carbon taxes. By the way, Brezenski pioneered 624 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,920 the carbon tax, all of that was out laid out 625 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,599 in Brazenski's model of how you can exacerbate these tensions. 626 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:45,519 So it leads to that bureaucratic womb to tomb government 627 00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:49,159 surveillance and control of your life. Brezenski mentioned that too 628 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,199 in between two ages. He says that lifelong, continual education 629 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,599 from womb to tomb would be one of the keys 630 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,519 for the future generations to be merged into the technocracy. 631 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,239 So that's exactly how you do this. It's all. Yes, 632 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,880 you're absolutely spot on. That's how that's how you get 633 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:07,519 to the end goal. 634 00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting you said that humanity is the problem, 635 00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:14,000 and Jay and Mike. So I was, I was watching 636 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,679 the twitter storm hashtag London Bridge all last night. I 637 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:21,360 probably went to bed about three, but I was. So 638 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,519 I saw one tweet by a young British girl and 639 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,599 this is what Jay, you just reminded me of this 640 00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,400 when you said humanity is the problem getting people to 641 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,840 buy into this idea. This is her tweet here she said, 642 00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:38,039 I hate this planet? Why are people still killing each other? 643 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:43,239 You see? So, if you're able to sort of control this, uh, 644 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,559 these events and this narrative, this is the bit. This 645 00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:51,400 is the reaction you're gonna elicit from general population. I 646 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:57,320 mean literally desperation, despondency, you know, despondency underlined by desperation 647 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,679 gets you to that place, Jay, which you just talked about. 648 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,880 It's almost like it's like the priming of the population 649 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,440 to then from that point on you pretty much people 650 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,920 will accept any really form of technocratic management, suggestion or control. 651 00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, the trauma And in fact, this is why I 652 00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,239 think you could probably link Razinski's between two ages too. 653 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,599 My control is that there really was research done on 654 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,639 trauma based PTSD for example, that was actually pioneered out 655 00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:34,920 of Tavistock Institute in the UK, and Tavistock was a 656 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,199 partner to the us MK ulture Plan. So when they 657 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:44,400 were studying shell shock and PTSD in British soldiers, they 658 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,159 realized that what would happen to people who had undergone 659 00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,440 these kinds of traumas is that they would be much 660 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,639 more suggestible because trauma puts you into a catatonic state. 661 00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:56,519 And so I think Brazenski is well aware of all that, 662 00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:59,880 and he knows that the when you exacerbate these t 663 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,320 and cause destabilization, the public is more or less put 664 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,519 in that traumatized, catatonic type state and they will just 665 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,559 go with whatever their leaders, who grant stand say. So 666 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,920 I think, as Basil was pointing out the other day 667 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,639 on Boiler Room, I mean, it makes perfect sense that 668 00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:21,239 this is part of uh you know, the this is 669 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,440 during the UK election season. Uh you know, I think 670 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,559 that's a big hint, hint, that's a big indicator. 671 00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:30,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I said. I actually said that on 672 00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:33,239 the news last night. I said maybe the terrorist attacks 673 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:38,199 will will stop after the general election exactly with a 674 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,119 wink in or no. But I mean, Mike, do you 675 00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:41,280 have any comment on this? 676 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,639 Speaker 3: Well, I was just thinking as Jay was speaking there 677 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:49,519 that that's quite a number of these ideas. Jay's expressing 678 00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:54,400 of Bashinsky's echo a little bit with uh with Bresh 679 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,719 and Russell's as well. So definitely, I don't know whether 680 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,199 Russell was a direct influence, but but it seems like 681 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,679 could well be the kids. 682 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did want to say, I think when I 683 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,920 was describing how you characterize Brazinski, he's he's like bertrand 684 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:13,039 Russell meets h. G. Wells without any of the fun 685 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,519 So absolutely, yeah, you're spot on. 686 00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 3: Did he have anything to say about the role of 687 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,159 the media in all. 688 00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:27,519 Speaker 2: This, Oh? Absolutely yeah. In fact, in between two ages, 689 00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,239 it's mass communication that is going to be the key 690 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,599 to bringing in the global order. And so in other words, 691 00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:37,639 when he's writing about the Internet, that is, for in 692 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:40,440 his mind back then, part of mass communications. They knew 693 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,239 back in nineteen seventy that the Internet would be kind 694 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:48,360 of the replacement for CBS, NBC and all that classical 695 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,360 satellite and TV cable stuff would be replaced by the 696 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,079 net quote unquote as he calls it. And yeah, I 697 00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:00,840 would also mention too, you see, you said to Bertian Russell, 698 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,440 Russell was part of working with the Macy Group and 699 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,480 the Rockefeller Foundation for helping to import the Frankfurt School 700 00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:17,079 ideology and formulate the culture creation process. That again, the 701 00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:21,199 Rockfeller Foundation and the all their patronage of the so 702 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,000 called arts, the National Dowmo for the Arts and all that, 703 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,719 that was all a CIA slash frank for School slash 704 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,719 Bertrand Russell Rockefeller operation, and that's all declassified and know 705 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,559 now written even in mainstream news. Foreign Affairs has written 706 00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:39,280 about it. So you're absolutely right to connect Bertrand Russell 707 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,920 to this because he's kind of along with H. G. Wells, 708 00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:46,159 that the forefathers of technocracy, and this is an older 709 00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:49,800 You can even go back to people like Saint Simon 710 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,679 and August Coompte who would write about technocracy. Saint just 711 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,119 you know that these these guys are very influential on 712 00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:00,960 the Zeitgeist ideology and all that. That's perfectly in line 713 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,840 with Brezenski, there's no doubt. 714 00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, some spectacular quotes by Bertrand Russell. I used to 715 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,760 have one on your website that was there and sort 716 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,119 of placed prominently for a couple of years, but kind 717 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:18,559 of frightening in the sort of accuracy of it describing 718 00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:21,719 today's world. I thought it was amazing. 719 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:22,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. 720 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 3: I mean, the one Russell book which stands out is 721 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,480 The Impact of Science and Society, which seems to gell 722 00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:31,760 exactly with what Jay's describing. 723 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,079 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, he wrote a couple of books that were 724 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,639 specifically treating of the technocracy, and of course he would 725 00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:42,000 always try to write it under the veneer of being liberal. 726 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,599 But you know, at the same time, like fork tongue, 727 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,440 he's speaking out the other side of his mouth, adhering 728 00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:52,159 to all these policies as the only way to save humanity. 729 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,320 And that's exactly what Brazenski would do. You know, he 730 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,000 has the liberal cover. That's why you see him in 731 00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,760 the Carter and the Obama administrations. But then he's also 732 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,280 working in various Bush task forces, uh and talking about 733 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,159 that he's at times a warhawk. So again, much like 734 00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:13,880 a Kissinger or a Macky Valley, he's he's beyond the 735 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,480 left right divide, and he's the liberal cover is a 736 00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:18,960 completely a cloak. 737 00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:23,159 Speaker 1: Final thoughts here, So we're going into I think we're 738 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,920 you know, coming into what six months uh soon into 739 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,079 the first six months of this president's administration. President Trump 740 00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:34,440 uh in America. And so you know, how do you 741 00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:39,039 see this administration uh gelling in terms of its place 742 00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:43,280 in history within the context of what's going on? Trump 743 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,920 is a president. You know, who are there's who are 744 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,599 the Braziinskis of the Trump administration? Who are the Kissingers 745 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,920 or his kissinger still advising? Is he's still influential on geopolitics? 746 00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:57,480 How are you looking at this scene as it unfolds 747 00:44:57,559 --> 00:44:58,159 right now? Jay? 748 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 2: Well, if I recall, yeah, I think what didn't Trump 749 00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:05,719 early on say Kissingrew would be an advisor? Yeah, I'm 750 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,360 assuming that's still still the norm. But that's that's a 751 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,559 that is a great question. Who who's actually going to 752 00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:15,239 take over to be a brain? I think that's probably 753 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,440 why Builderberg has been, you know, really trying to shift 754 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,320 over into the text stuff in the last three or 755 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:22,920 four years. 756 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,679 Speaker 1: That's frightened that. It's scary, Jay, because if if what 757 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,760 you say is true there, it means that we are 758 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:36,559 moving into full blown technocracy, whether Peter Thiels of the world. 759 00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:38,079 Speaker 2: The Eric Schmidtz that's that's who's going to take over. 760 00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's no longer that so people will sort 761 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,760 of say, well, Brazinski's about as devilish as it gets. 762 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,679 But actually he's it's you've still got a human doing 763 00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,679 the thinking, you know, as devilish as he is. You 764 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,280 know that's the devil. We know what is this with? 765 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:56,280 You know this we're going into full blown technocracy mode? 766 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,199 If you look maybe at howil as Bilderberg is a 767 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,239 kind of age I guess of you know where there 768 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,760 where the center of gravity is? Has it moved? 769 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:05,760 Speaker 2: We are? 770 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: We sounds like we're moving into technocracy. 771 00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:11,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you're absolutely right. It's going to be 772 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,760 people like Eric Schmidt. It's going to be people like 773 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:19,719 Righina Dugan uh formerly of DARPA now Google uh, Cast Sunstein, 774 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:25,320 Google NSA. Uh. You know maybe uh that's who it is. 775 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,280 You're absolutely right. 776 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,559 Speaker 1: I think that's that's frightening. Actually, especially the DARPA gal. 777 00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:33,119 Is she the one that did that thing on wearables 778 00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:34,119 beast tech. 779 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,119 Speaker 2: She's talking, Yeah, she's all kinds of just kind of 780 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,360 mind boggling talks. I've watched her ted talks and all 781 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,199 that stuff, and she's yeah, full blown transhumanism there. 782 00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:47,320 Speaker 1: Wow. Well, we got a lot to a lot to 783 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,400 look forward to or not or a lot to to 784 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,400 to be fighting I think in the future hopefully, uh, 785 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,440 to retain some of our humanity. But uh, if the technocracy, 786 00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:00,880 the technocrats could have their way. It's so funny because 787 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,079 the technocracy was way ahead of its time. I mean, 788 00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:05,599 they had this thing, they launched this thing in the 789 00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:06,559 nineteen twenty. 790 00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 2: Right right exactly. 791 00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:12,199 Speaker 1: The technology wasn't there, you know, but and it was 792 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,000 sort of pooh poohed because it got associated with the 793 00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:19,440 Nazis a little bit in mainstream Western culture right after. 794 00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:23,800 It kind of dampened after the after the World War Two. 795 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,400 But now if it were to re emerge today, j 796 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,760 would it would it have the appeal or what? Could 797 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,079 it find a congregation as it were? 798 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,079 Speaker 2: Well, they're definitely pushing for that. I mean, that's part 799 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:41,440 of Hollywood's role is to push transhumanism through all these 800 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,559 big blockbuster sci fi movies and Marvel movies. So, you know, 801 00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:47,639 I think they wanted they want to go for that. 802 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,000 But uh, you know, even Brazinski seemed a little bit 803 00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:53,800 skeptical as to whether or not you could convince all 804 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,719 the people of some kind of tech religion. You know, 805 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,880 he didn't He himself seemed to be in search of 806 00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:07,719 a replacement ideology, while admitting ideology was dead, he would 807 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,559 he would make comments like that, so. 808 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,679 Speaker 1: Ancient I don't know, aliens, Jay, ancient aliens. 809 00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:20,039 Speaker 2: That fits perfectly and with scientism and transhumanism absolutely. 810 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,079 Speaker 1: Mike and I were talking about this the other night. 811 00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,119 They were saying that, like if you if you flip 812 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:27,880 through the cable channels, there's like ten all the history channels. 813 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,960 Everything from pretty much nine p m Till till four am, 814 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,880 it's all ancient Aliens. It's just there's so much pro 815 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,440 everything goes. Even even any history program you start watching 816 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,920 it and they sort of bait you in with some 817 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,519 Egyptology and by the end of the thing they're at 818 00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:47,199 ancient Aliens. Basically, it's like everywhere this might be the 819 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,440 new replacement religion. 820 00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:52,679 Speaker 2: Jam, I wouldn't be surprised. There's all kinds of studies 821 00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:57,079 and test communities and and things that that they'll put 822 00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:00,000 out there to kind of see, you know, test audience 823 00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:02,440 and stuff like that to see where they can go 824 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,000 with that kind of stuff. But I'm actually gonna have 825 00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:05,719 to run. But thank you for having me on. 826 00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:08,840 Speaker 1: Patrick now, it's been great. Jay Dyer, author of Jay's 827 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:14,159 Analysis and Sorry author vest Terry Hollywood and founder and 828 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,480 editor of Jay's Analysis dot com is links on the 829 00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:20,440 show page right now. Thank you so much, Jay, Thank you, 830 00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:24,559 take care in your travels and good luck with your work. 831 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,559 Thank you also to Mark Anderson from our segment down 832 00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:32,199 there in Santilly, Virginia with Bilderberg, and also the Reverend 833 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,880 Andrew Ashdown. Three fantastic guests, and thank you my co 834 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,039 host in studio here, Mike Robinson, editor of the UK column. 835 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,199 Thank you again, Mike,