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Speaker 2: Good Evening. It was the most horrific crime ever to
Speaker 2: come before this court, said the judge, a renowned forensic pathologist,
Speaker 2: shouted from the witness stand torture when describing the beating
Speaker 2: three year old Kaisan Rice took at the hands of
Speaker 2: a six foot three, two hundred and forty monster. Read
Speaker 2: the account of an ambulance team desperately trying to keep
Speaker 2: a badly beaten boy alive and a high risk arrest
Speaker 2: by a well equipped, professionally trained police force to take
Speaker 2: down a murderer. Follow in the footsteps of four investigators
Speaker 2: who reached as far as Arizona to gather information, relive
Speaker 2: the courtroom drama as a seasoned district attorney and a
Speaker 2: skilled assistant District attorney forge a compelling case in which
Speaker 2: there were no witnesses, no weapons, any questionable motive follow
Speaker 2: the longest trial in Monroe County court history, with the
Speaker 2: most witnesses ever to testify, often leaving the jury in tears.
Speaker 2: Read the heartbreaking account of a mother and community losing
Speaker 2: a loving, intelligent, and happy youngster to a painful and
Speaker 2: excruciating death at the hands of a cowardly psychopath who
Speaker 2: refused to accept responsibility for torturing Kison to death. The
Speaker 2: book that we're featuring this evening is Murder in a
Speaker 2: Small Town, The Kison Rice Case, with my special guest
Speaker 2: author Larry Shekel. Welcome to the program, and thank you
Speaker 2: very much for this interview Larry Shekel, Thank you, Dan,
Speaker 2: thank you very much, and congratulations on this book, Murder
Speaker 2: in a Small Town.
Speaker 3: Well, it was a joy to write that, and it's
Speaker 3: a very interesting book. It has a lot of lessons involved.
Speaker 2: You write that, John Glynn writes the forward to this book,
Speaker 2: tell us who John Glynn is, and tell us tell
Speaker 2: us about the origins of this book. What brought you
Speaker 2: to this story? Why did you feel compelled to write
Speaker 2: this story? Oh, John Glenn was a friend of mine.
Speaker 2: I had him in class. I was a physics teacher
Speaker 2: here in Toma for many years. We have shared an
Speaker 2: interest in aviation. He has a motorized pained glider I
Speaker 2: fly Cessna one fifty and so we often have a
Speaker 2: cross paths. He has a house at the airport and
Speaker 2: he is an executive for Cardinal Blast here in Toma.
Speaker 2: So he urged me to write this book as a
Speaker 2: lesson and also a story that should be told. Now
Speaker 2: tell us who John Glenn and his wife Joline are
Speaker 2: the living arrangements and their relation to the central figure
Speaker 2: in this book, Jessica Rice and Cayson Rice.
Speaker 3: Yes, John and Joline Glenn. They live at the airport
Speaker 3: and Joline's sister is the mother of Jessica. So Jessica
Speaker 3: is the niece of John and Joline Glenn. He was
Speaker 3: born in nineteen ninety three and she was a dwarf.
Speaker 3: She had dwarf ism and so she underwent an extensive
Speaker 3: and painful hospitalization where basically they would break a bone,
Speaker 3: stretch it, let it heal, break it again, and so
Speaker 3: she is about four feet six inches tall. She graduated
Speaker 3: from Homa High School. It was a painful thing to
Speaker 3: do in twenty eleven, and then she got a job
Speaker 3: at Taco Bell. Jolene and John took care of Jessica
Speaker 3: because Jessica's mother had some difficulties with emotions and mental capacity.
Speaker 3: So that's how Jolene lived with them.
Speaker 2: Now you're right. In two thoy and nineteen she is
Speaker 2: living with John and Jolene their two children, and also
Speaker 2: John and Jolene's parents or Jolene's parents, pardon me, in
Speaker 2: this household what happens in twenty nineteen in terms of
Speaker 2: a change for Jessica Kyson.
Speaker 3: In twenty fifteen, Jessica becomes pregnant and the man is
Speaker 3: not in the family at all. He has nothing to
Speaker 3: do with his lover and the son that is born.
Speaker 3: And so in twenty fifteen, jesse becomes a mother of
Speaker 3: a Kyson, and so they stay with John and Joline
Speaker 3: Glenn in their house. And after a number of years,
Speaker 3: three years or so, when Kyson was that old, Jessica
Speaker 3: decides that she would like to be out on her own,
Speaker 3: so she rents an apartment in downtown of downtown Poma,
Speaker 3: say By Duplex, and in twenty nineteen she connects again
Speaker 3: with Marcus at Taco Bell. Marcus is a customer out
Speaker 3: there and they talk and eventually they decide in mark
Speaker 3: of two thousand and nineteen that Marcus is going to
Speaker 3: live with Jessica and her son Kyson.
Speaker 2: Now her son Kaison is three years old. Does he
Speaker 2: have any developmental problems himself.
Speaker 3: No, He's perfectly fine. He has a slight to tick
Speaker 3: in his eye because of a nerve, but it's a
Speaker 3: minor thing and treatable. He just has to take eye
Speaker 3: drops to keep the eye lubricated more than a normal
Speaker 3: person would. But he's described as healthy, intelligent, well liked.
Speaker 3: He likes to have a good time. He just a
Speaker 3: normal kid.
Speaker 2: Now you talk about Marcus Anderson, and some of the
Speaker 2: information comes from people that knew him previous to twenty
Speaker 2: and nineteen. Marcus was born in July nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 2: His parents Tory and Helen Helen Anderson and a good
Speaker 2: account of Marcus's behavior comes from his one time living
Speaker 2: girlfriend Julie Alvarez al Kala tell us about their meat
Speaker 2: in California when a car broke down and her relationship
Speaker 2: with Marcus and her experiences with Marcus.
Speaker 3: Yes very interesting. Marcus was a lad who had a
Speaker 3: difficulty staying in school. He often skipped he was cited
Speaker 3: for that. He went to a nightclub where he found
Speaker 3: Julie had car trouble, so he helps her fix her car
Speaker 3: and they develop a relationship where Julie has five children
Speaker 3: of her own and she's in Bakersfield, California, but she
Speaker 3: moves to Phoenix, Arizona, and Marcus moves with her, and
Speaker 3: so Marcus and Julie are living together with the five children,
Speaker 3: and over time they have three children of their own.
Speaker 3: Marcus is constantly in trouble with the law. He is
Speaker 3: a smokes marijuana frequently. He has a felony for gun possession. Eventually,
Speaker 3: him and his wife they rob a gas station. He
Speaker 3: is arrested. He spends six and six to seven years
Speaker 3: in prison, and then finally he comes to Wisconsin where
Speaker 3: his father is in a nearby town here, so he
Speaker 3: has a lot of scheckered pass that follows him to Wisconsin. Here.
Speaker 2: You're right that she leaves him because he's beating her
Speaker 2: more frequently.
Speaker 3: Oh, he beats her terribly and she will throw him
Speaker 3: out and then after a bit she calls him back.
Speaker 3: So it's the battered wife syndrome there. It's not a
Speaker 3: good situation. And he abuses the children too. When his
Speaker 3: Julie goes to work, he takes advantage of the children
Speaker 3: in not so good ways.
Speaker 2: You're right that he's a big guy. Tell us how
Speaker 2: big this person is.
Speaker 3: Well, the estimates vary, but at one time he was
Speaker 3: well over three hundred pounds three hundred and twenty four pounds.
Speaker 3: He's sixty three six 'y four. He is a big guy.
Speaker 3: He constantly tells people that he was in the Marine Corps,
Speaker 3: and of course he was never in the Marine Corps,
Speaker 3: and that is going to bode not well for him
Speaker 3: later on.
Speaker 2: So let's get to twenty nineteen. You say that Jessica
Speaker 2: and Marcus reunite again and decide to rekindle the relationship,
Speaker 2: but at the same time he has other relationships in
Speaker 2: California with a woman named Regina Hall. But also tell
Speaker 2: us about Kyson's childcare or daycare arrangement and how Marcus
Speaker 2: comes to be involved in his care.
Speaker 3: Yes, by the way, when Marcus comes to Wisconsin, he
Speaker 3: does marry a woman in Lacrosse. That does not bode
Speaker 3: well too. He beats her constantly and she finally sues
Speaker 3: for divorce and the police are called to their place
Speaker 3: a number of times. And then Jessica has Kyson in childcare,
Speaker 3: but when Marcus moves in with her in the duplex,
Speaker 3: she takes them out of big care. And during the
Speaker 3: day when Jessica is working, then Marcus takes care of Kyson.
Speaker 2: You write about Shelby Anderson, his ex wife, and she
Speaker 2: has children or a child, and so she describes his
Speaker 2: behavior during their relationship and again the violence that ensues.
Speaker 3: Yes, he seems to take advantage of vulnerable women, both
Speaker 3: in California and in Arizona. And then when he comes
Speaker 3: to Wisconsin. It's sort of a pattern he's developed. He
Speaker 3: does not view women as equals, but as basically his servants.
Speaker 2: So Jessica had just moved to her own place at
Speaker 2: this Jody Circle address, so Marcus does not stay as
Speaker 2: soon as he moves in, he does not stay there continually.
Speaker 2: There is some travel in his plans, so tell us
Speaker 2: about those that traveling that he does, and then what
Speaker 2: happens when he returns.
Speaker 3: Yes, he goes frequently to Madison. He's constantly dealing drugs,
Speaker 3: and Shelby Anderson described him as a street pharmacist. He
Speaker 3: frequently goes up to Alma Center where he has a
Speaker 3: lady friend up there that he has an association with
Speaker 3: He comes back frequently. And the strange thing is that
Speaker 3: Jessica doesn't seem to put any kabasha, that she seems
Speaker 3: to go along with it, which is kind of odd.
Speaker 2: Yes, now, tell us about Regina Hall. When I asked
Speaker 2: about Regina Hall if she had any developmental issues, Yes,
Speaker 2: she does. She lives with her mother, April Hall, down
Speaker 2: in Phoenix area. She's one of those that believes that
Speaker 2: I guess any man is okay as long as she
Speaker 2: has some companionship. And so she does have developmental problems
Speaker 2: and emotional difficulties, and she clings to Marcus much more
Speaker 2: than she should. She supports him financially, she sends some
Speaker 2: things in the mail, and it's an ongoing relationship where
Speaker 2: she refuses to believe that Marcus could be anything but
Speaker 2: faithful to her. Tell us about Larry and Cheryl Quarrels
Speaker 2: and their proximity to this story, but also to Jessica
Speaker 2: Rice and her home.
Speaker 3: Yes, Larry and Cheryl Quarrels lived right outside of home,
Speaker 3: about a mile And when Marcus was gone for any
Speaker 3: extensive period of time, say a week or two, as
Speaker 3: he frequently was, then Kyson would take care, would be
Speaker 3: taken care of by Larry and Cheryl Quarrels. They had
Speaker 3: room out there and he'd often stay overnight with Larry
Speaker 3: and Cheryl. It's something that Jesse could rely on people
Speaker 3: that would take care of Kyson when Marcus was not there.
Speaker 2: So Larry and Cheryl, when we talk about you write
Speaker 2: the prelude to Murder, which was May twenty nineteen, tell
Speaker 2: us about Larry and his interactions. Tell us about his
Speaker 2: interactions with Marcus. But we have to go backwards. When
Speaker 2: Marcus comes back from California and Arizona, he is admitted
Speaker 2: into the hospital, so Larry and Cheryl visit him at
Speaker 2: the hospital. Tell us about this incident and event at
Speaker 2: the hospital.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's in the hospital for problems with his legs,
Speaker 3: which the medical profession believes is brought on by a
Speaker 3: drug use. Tyson and Jessica go to visit him. Jessica
Speaker 3: finds that Tyson is sitting on his lap in bed
Speaker 3: and he is pounding on his chest and saying, why
Speaker 3: are you making me look bad to the nurses. Jessica
Speaker 3: recognizes that she sees that she comes back just as
Speaker 3: sad as happening that she tells Cheryl about that, but
Speaker 3: Cheryl and Larry do not do anything. They later regret
Speaker 3: not taking some action on that.
Speaker 2: Let's use us as an opportunity to stop to hear
Speaker 2: these messages. Now, let's get to as you write the
Speaker 2: prelude to the murder. May third, twenty nineteen, Marcus stays out,
Speaker 2: is out the night before, and comes home early in
Speaker 2: the morning. Jessica is scheduled for work, but also has
Speaker 2: a morning appointment she has to go to. She doesn't
Speaker 2: have a car anymore. We won't have time to talk
Speaker 2: about how she lost that vehicle that John Glenn had
Speaker 2: given her, but let's talk about that. Her friend, Amber
Speaker 2: Mosley comes to pick her up to go to work
Speaker 2: when she leaves, and then the phone calls between Marcus
Speaker 2: and Jessica that occur soon after Jessica starts her shift.
Speaker 3: Yes, Jessica is picked up by Amber Mosley, who also
Speaker 3: works at Taco Bell. Tyson is not awake at the time.
Speaker 3: He wakes up about an hour later. Larry comes over
Speaker 3: later in the morning and they interact. And and when
Speaker 3: Marcus came back from his week in California, most everybody
Speaker 3: that knows him describes him as a totally different person.
Speaker 3: He was out there trying to get custody of his
Speaker 3: three children, which he did not do. He has problems
Speaker 3: getting his drugs that he needs both to sell and
Speaker 3: to use on himself, and so Larry and Sheryl Quarrel
Speaker 3: says he's a completely different person. Ryan Campus also describes
Speaker 3: him as having a change in his attitude. He's angry,
Speaker 3: he's in a foul mood. He argues with Jessica violently
Speaker 3: the night before. It's not a good thing for Tyson
Speaker 3: to be around him, and that's kind of what happened.
Speaker 2: You're right though, that their correspondence later is used in
Speaker 2: the trial, used in the investigation, and right away it's
Speaker 2: really telling of the character of Marcus. Have Jessica to
Speaker 2: a lesser degree, but it's important those messages to Jessica
Speaker 2: and how they he seems desperate much later in the day,
Speaker 2: So tell us the gist of what he is saying
Speaker 2: to Jessica soon after going to work. What is he
Speaker 2: They're used to speaking to each other via text, but
Speaker 2: she is working, and so what is the nature of
Speaker 2: the calls and the texts that he makes to Jessica.
Speaker 3: Marcus complains that Jessica is not taking care of him,
Speaker 3: and so they're texting back and forth. You don't care
Speaker 3: about me, you don't love me anymore, of that sort
Speaker 3: of thing. They also talk, and those texts, of course,
Speaker 3: are used in the trial because there's evidence they also
Speaker 3: talk talk on the cell phone, and during her entire
Speaker 3: noon break, she is talking to Marcus about their relationship.
Speaker 3: He is angry that he wants him, he wants her
Speaker 3: to come home and take care of him, and she says,
Speaker 3: I can't, I'm working. And so later in the morning,
Speaker 3: Marcus and Tyson go to Sparta. He has to pick
Speaker 3: up a prescription over there. He's also texting and calling
Speaker 3: her during that time, over and back.
Speaker 2: So he goes to Walgreens and he limps in, and
Speaker 2: we find out later why he might have done that.
Speaker 2: And they had continued their correspondence and now talking about
Speaker 2: their love for each other and that she would be
Speaker 2: having the next few days where she would be able
Speaker 2: to take care of him and certainly she wouldn't abandon
Speaker 2: him like he claimed, and he had spoken before that
Speaker 2: you need to get a full time babysitter. So his
Speaker 2: demeanor and his attitude seems to change in these calls.
Speaker 2: But then there is a call all around five o'clock,
Speaker 2: and the tone of that is much different.
Speaker 3: Yes, at about five oh four there's a camera, because
Speaker 3: Marcus had three cameras set up around the house and
Speaker 3: a monitoring system inside. That has all been confiscated and
Speaker 3: used by the police. And I saw those videos and
Speaker 3: it's a very telling one of Kyson and Marcus at
Speaker 3: about five oh four, the last time he's ever seen alive.
Speaker 3: He finally makes a call at about five five thirty
Speaker 3: or so, and he makes that's when he commits the murder,
Speaker 3: between five oh five and about five forty.
Speaker 4: But before he calls a number of people, including the
Speaker 4: Quarrels and some other friends, and before he calls the ambulance.
Speaker 2: And you say, the dispatch gets that call at five
Speaker 2: fifty five, so quite a bit after that time of five.
Speaker 3: Clock, right, And there's no explanation of why he would
Speaker 3: wait five minutes before he called the ambulance. He calls
Speaker 3: three other people and some of the calls, other calls
Speaker 3: are dropped. The about five about six o'clock is when
Speaker 3: the ambulance out there.
Speaker 2: What does he tell Jessica in his call has happened
Speaker 2: to Kyson?
Speaker 3: He tells Jessica that he has fallen in the bathtub.
Speaker 3: Then later he changes it to where he has fallen
Speaker 3: in in the garage and so forth, but he doesn't
Speaker 3: really explain well what happened.
Speaker 2: You write that Officer Steinborn enters the residence and what
Speaker 2: does he see Marcus Anderson doing with Kyson and tell
Speaker 2: us about the ensuing evidence and experience that he has
Speaker 2: with Marcus Anderson.
Speaker 3: Steinborn is one of the first to arrive, along with
Speaker 3: Sergeant Ferlano. He sees Marcus trying to give resuscitation to
Speaker 3: Kyson and it is not going well. He finally the
Speaker 3: two officers get Marcus away and they try to revive Kyson.
Speaker 3: They work on it for about twenty minutes. The ambulance
Speaker 3: comes in and takes over after about four or five minutes,
Speaker 3: and it's a struggle to try to get some life
Speaker 3: back into Kison. All the while Marcus is dancing around
Speaker 3: and yelling and screaming and pleading. He doesn't know what
Speaker 3: to do. I tried to save him, I gave him respiration,
Speaker 3: but it has not worked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Marcus says he found Kyson on the floor. The
Speaker 2: floors were wet, yes, but also that Kyson was fully
Speaker 2: closed and his clothes were drenched.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a contradictions between what he says and what
Speaker 3: the officers witnessed. Eventually, he gives a number of explanations
Speaker 3: of what happened, none of which are plausible.
Speaker 2: Now, what they more dramatically and more important is there
Speaker 2: is incredible multiple bruising was visible over Kisson's entire body.
Speaker 2: And you're right that the ambulance services were able to
Speaker 2: find a pulse and they rush him to hospital.
Speaker 3: Yes, after about twenty minutes of them being there, they
Speaker 3: realize that they are not making progress and reviving him,
Speaker 3: so they do take him to the hospital. Filano drives
Speaker 3: and then Marcus is staying back at the residence. The
Speaker 3: officers tell him to come to the hospital, it's only
Speaker 3: about half a mile away, but he does not come.
Speaker 3: He stays there at the residence.
Speaker 2: There, So they rush Cayson to the hospital and they're
Speaker 2: working on him feverishly there and they expect Marcus to
Speaker 2: go to the hospital. Jessica arrives at that hospital soon after.
Speaker 2: What do officers observe Marcus Anderson doing instead of heading
Speaker 2: to the hospital right away?
Speaker 3: Yes, Jessica does arrive with Amber Mosley at the house.
Speaker 3: Jessica is there and they have just taken Tyson to
Speaker 3: the hospital, and Marcus tries to give Jessica an explanation
Speaker 3: about falling in the bathtub. Then Jessica and her friend
Speaker 3: go to the hospital. Marcus stays there. There's a police
Speaker 3: officer there, Officer Heckman. They're expecting that he would come
Speaker 3: to the hospital right away, it's not very far away.
Speaker 3: Steinborn goes back another time to help he to try
Speaker 3: to convince Marcus to come to the hospital. Eventually, Marcus
Speaker 3: gets in his car and flees, So.
Speaker 2: Let's get to The officers realize that they want to
Speaker 2: search the crime scene, which happens to be the home
Speaker 2: on Jody Circle. What is Marcus Anderson's response to police
Speaker 2: to questioning and the request to search the home.
Speaker 3: Well, Eventually, at about seven, a little before seven, Marcus
Speaker 3: gets in his car and leaves. It's then that the
Speaker 3: police officers realize that there may be a crime involved here,
Speaker 3: partly because Marcus does not come to the hospital as
Speaker 3: a normal person would. Marcus asked about Pyson his condition
Speaker 3: over and over. That's when they put out a bulletin
Speaker 3: what they call it points bulletin to look for Anderson,
Speaker 3: and he's eventually spotted downtown.
Speaker 2: He has a dramatic scene as well. They're looking for
Speaker 2: this possible killer of this kaison three year old and
Speaker 2: they spot him and try to get him to come
Speaker 2: out of the vehicle. So what does he do in
Speaker 2: response to these demands?
Speaker 3: Yes, he's stopped right across from the couple of taverns there. Perkins,
Speaker 3: Officer Perkins is the one that spotted him. They set
Speaker 3: up a block a block off streets. Anderson does not
Speaker 3: respond to officers coming out. They have a police dog
Speaker 3: there that is barking. He does not respond to that,
Speaker 3: and eventually they call in the tactical unit from the
Speaker 3: police department, which is about four or five blocks away.
Speaker 3: The tactical unit comes. They use a bullhorn. They have
Speaker 3: a person an officer with a rifle trained on a
Speaker 3: Marcus in case there should be any problems. They have
Speaker 3: blocked off the streets on all the areas. They have
Speaker 3: a tire restraint under his car, and eventually they shoot
Speaker 3: a basically a bean bag at the window, the back window,
Speaker 3: and that gets his attention. They open the door and
Speaker 3: he eventually comes out. They place him under arrest. There
Speaker 3: is no bullets fired except for that bean bank. He
Speaker 3: doesn't know why he's under arrest, but it's telling that
Speaker 3: when they put the handcuffs on him, he will never
Speaker 3: ever be a free man from that time on. Let's
Speaker 3: get to Let's get to that right away. Police interview Jessica.
Speaker 3: They want to know how much she knows about this
Speaker 3: very extensive bruising all over Kyson's body. The medical examiner
Speaker 3: hasn't actually done his autopsy as of yet, but they
Speaker 3: still have questions for Jessica. She is reluctant to she
Speaker 3: seems to be protective of Marcus, but the police convince
Speaker 3: her to come clean. What does she eventually have to say?
Speaker 3: And I know she's reluctant, So how does the conversation
Speaker 3: start and how does it end with Jessica And what
Speaker 3: information does he impart to them about Marcus? Yeah, you're
Speaker 3: exactly right, Dan. At first, she is in denial. She
Speaker 3: doesn't want to believe that Marcus could have done that.
Speaker 3: When the officer talks to her about the extense of bruising,
Speaker 3: she eventually comes round to the idea that yes, yes
Speaker 3: he did this, and I have to protect my son.
Speaker 3: I can't protect Marcus anymore, and so she realizes and
Speaker 3: gives a fairly full account of what happened in the
Speaker 3: past as far as their relationship is concerned.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned, there's an autopsy done them e Teresa,
Speaker 2: I said, see what is discovered on the in the
Speaker 2: autopsy in terms of the extent of the injuries to Kyson.
Speaker 3: Kyson is taken to the hospital, he is pronounced dead.
Speaker 3: He is photographed and put in a body bag. The
Speaker 3: funeral home comes and picks them up from Sparta. The
Speaker 3: next day, they have an autopsy at the University of
Speaker 3: Wisconsin Hospital in Madison, and the doctor Steer does that autopsies.
Speaker 3: He's done several thousand autopsies in his career, and they
Speaker 3: discover that he has almost two hundred different bruises over
Speaker 3: every part of the body. The only parts of the
Speaker 3: body that were not bruised extensively for the bottoms of
Speaker 3: his feet, his genitals, and his palms of his hands.
Speaker 3: It's an extensive autopsy and very very telling.
Speaker 2: You rite that the doctor, doctor Steer, concludes that he
Speaker 2: was likely shaken and there was movement in his brain.
Speaker 2: He also had a wound on the top of his
Speaker 2: head that couldn't be attributed to any kind of fall
Speaker 2: under any kind of circumstances. There was a couple of
Speaker 2: teeth knocked out, likely during this altercation. His rib was fractured,
Speaker 2: so there was multiple serious injuries on Kison.
Speaker 3: Yes, bruised extensively on every part of the body. The shaking.
Speaker 3: You're correct. The autopsy showed that blood in the eye
Speaker 3: where there shouldn't be any blood in the areas of
Speaker 3: the brain where there should not be any chests, broken,
Speaker 3: broken ribs in a boy that young, those ribs should
Speaker 3: not break, they should bend fairly well. And that was
Speaker 3: all brought out in the trial.
Speaker 2: Let's use this as an opportunity to stop to hear
Speaker 2: these messages. Now we have the notification that he would
Speaker 2: be criminally charged for first degree intentional homicide. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about the prosecutors and the defense and the gathering of
Speaker 2: the evidence by Monroe County officers and also from to
Speaker 2: May Police Force.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Toma Police Force did not take Marcus to
Speaker 3: the Tomah hospital. He complained when he was arrested that
Speaker 3: he had pain, So rather than going to the Tomah
Speaker 3: hospital where the crew there was exhausted from trying to
Speaker 3: keep like bring Kyson back to life, if you will,
Speaker 3: and they were not very happy about entertaining Marcus. He
Speaker 3: was taken to a nearby hospital and spared about fifteen
Speaker 3: miles away, and there they took care of him. They
Speaker 3: had the investigator Lewincey come in later and interrogate him.
Speaker 3: The officers had their bodycims going all the time, in
Speaker 3: which there also was audio, and so he finally learns
Speaker 3: when they get a warrant, the warrant for his blood draw,
Speaker 3: which he objected to, and the warrant shows that he
Speaker 3: may be a suspect in a murder. That's when he
Speaker 3: goes furious because he had asked the officers as he
Speaker 3: was on the gurney in the hospital several times how
Speaker 3: Tyson was. Now he learns that Kyson has passed away,
Speaker 3: and then he may be charged with that murder. So
Speaker 3: it's a very difficult time for him, but that's the
Speaker 3: way it goes.
Speaker 2: You're right about the interview with Marcus Anderson and the
Speaker 2: resulting him from that. He imparts to them about the
Speaker 2: allegation of abuse on Kyson. So it's a sort of ridiculous,
Speaker 2: one stop lying venture that he does, but tell us
Speaker 2: about some of the lies and observacation that he employs.
Speaker 2: Speaking with the police, first of.
Speaker 3: All, he tells them that Kyson fell in the shower.
Speaker 3: Then he changes his story a little bit where a
Speaker 3: shower curtain was involved, a shower curtain that was in
Speaker 3: the garage. He talks about how he might have disciplined
Speaker 3: Tyson in the past, but only with timeout and no
Speaker 3: physical abuse. So he weaves a tale of many lies,
Speaker 3: and the police officers kind of suspect that he's not truthful.
Speaker 3: Now they do about midnight of the night of the murder,
Speaker 3: they do get a search warrant for the home on
Speaker 3: ten oh nine Jody Circle, and so three officers spend
Speaker 3: several hours gathering evidence and photographing it, also taking it
Speaker 3: to the police headquarters, and then they go back the
Speaker 3: next morning when it's light out, and they do another search.
Speaker 3: One of the things that they find in that search
Speaker 3: in the closet was a rifle, a twenty two caliber rifle,
Speaker 3: and of course, as Marcus was a convicted felon, he's
Speaker 3: not allowed to have a rifle a weapon. They also
Speaker 3: find twenty two caliber bullets in the washing machine which
Speaker 3: he placed there and then they go back the next
Speaker 3: morning and they find blood spell ladder. They gather up
Speaker 3: a lot of the physical evidence that would be used
Speaker 3: in the trial is cane, some of the shoes, clothing,
Speaker 3: some of the toys that Tyson had, the recording system
Speaker 3: that he had with three cameras and a big screen,
Speaker 3: and they gathered all of that up. They also gather
Speaker 3: a lot of evidence when he was in the hospital
Speaker 3: in Sparta in the next morning, at about three three
Speaker 3: point thirty in the morning, he's parted over to the
Speaker 3: jail which is right next door, where he is put
Speaker 3: in the sally port and searched, and he puts up
Speaker 3: quite a fuss and fight there and they gather additional
Speaker 3: evidence of his keys, his clothing, things of that sort.
Speaker 2: So suffice to say is that he is a drug
Speaker 2: dealer by all people's accounts, but also he has a
Speaker 2: daily drug routine of which includes methamphetamine, which includes heroin
Speaker 2: at sometimes fetanyl and other opiates, oxycodone, and marijuana, but
Speaker 2: a plethora of illicit drugs at this person and is
Speaker 2: coursing through a system and was found in various locations
Speaker 2: in his car, some paraphernalia and drug residue and also
Speaker 2: the crime scene itself.
Speaker 3: Yes, there are a lot of stuff was found in the car.
Speaker 3: For example, he had a twenty dollars bill that had
Speaker 3: evidence of drugs on it. And in the hole they
Speaker 3: had the straws, smoking pipes, marijuana grinders, a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of drug related equipment. There scales that weigh out drugs
Speaker 3: and so forth. Yeah, he was a street dealer.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the more important crime here, obviously,
Speaker 2: is the murder of Kisen Rice. So let's talk about
Speaker 2: the trial. And as I mentioned, the prosecutors that line
Speaker 2: up and the defense attorney that lines up for this trial.
Speaker 3: Yes, the trial started three years after the murder of
Speaker 3: The reason for that was COVID. Part of it was
Speaker 3: that he was constantly firing lawyers of public defenders. He
Speaker 3: was filing all kinds, had his lawyers finding all kinds
Speaker 3: of motions and so forth. So in the spring of
Speaker 3: nineteen of twenty twenty two, that's when the trial started.
Speaker 3: And the district attorney, Kevin Kroninger, is experience, he is
Speaker 3: well thought of. He was Prosecutor of the Year for
Speaker 3: one particular year. And the assistant DA is Sarah Skiles,
Speaker 3: and she's very experienced, and so they take all that evidence.
Speaker 3: They send two investigators down to Arizona to interview people.
Speaker 3: The Winsky and Tesser did that. They were down there
Speaker 3: for about four days getting gathering a lot of information.
Speaker 3: They also when they were down there, they said they
Speaker 3: were going to issue subpoenas, which they did. They issue
Speaker 3: something like five or six subpoenas for people to down
Speaker 3: there to come to testify. One of the problems was
Speaker 3: that Marcus had called his brother in California and says, well,
Speaker 3: go over there and see what you can do. And
Speaker 3: he went over there and shot up the place. So
Speaker 3: many of these people that were going to come up
Speaker 3: there were intimidated. But they did get Regina Hall and
Speaker 3: her mother April, to come to testify during the trial.
Speaker 2: As well as Shelby Anderson, his ex wife.
Speaker 3: Yes, and she was a powerful witness for the prosecution.
Speaker 3: Forty one witnesses altogether, Dan and he and probably doctor
Speaker 3: Steer would be considered the star witnesses. And all of
Speaker 3: those times, all of those the eight days of trial,
Speaker 3: the longest trial in Monroe County history. My friend John
Speaker 3: Glenn attended those. He attended all the hearings leading up
Speaker 3: to the trial and which were very extensive. He had
Speaker 3: the ability to do that because he was a CEO
Speaker 3: over there at Cardinal Glass. So the defense attorney was
Speaker 3: Patrick Flanagan. He was out of Milwaukee, and he was
Speaker 3: very good. I went to several days of the trial
Speaker 3: and he did the best he could. Quite frankly, he
Speaker 3: didn't have much to work with.
Speaker 2: You're right that the strategy for the prosecutor was pretty
Speaker 2: simple in that they demonstrated through various witnesses that Kyson
Speaker 2: was in perfect health and wasn't beaten and bruised with
Speaker 2: his teeth knocked out before Marcus Anderson and May twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: They did a lot of the friends that Marcus had,
Speaker 3: and there were a few three or four they testified
Speaker 3: about him. It did not help him as far as
Speaker 3: as concerned Marcus. When it came to the defense, the
Speaker 3: defense put nobody on the witness stand, no character witnesses,
Speaker 3: and the prosecution had a difficult time in that there
Speaker 3: were no witnesses, there was no weapons, and so they
Speaker 3: had to prove beyond a doubt based mainly on circumstantial evidence.
Speaker 3: They did have DNA, they had the witnesses that did
Speaker 3: the autopsy doctor Steers, and that was powerful testimony, and
Speaker 3: Shelley did a very good job.
Speaker 2: Let Jesus as an opportunity to stop to hear these messages.
Speaker 2: This trial, as you say, the prosecution puts out forty
Speaker 2: one witnesses and the defense really doesn't have much of
Speaker 2: a case and doesn't have any witnesses worthwhile in that defense.
Speaker 2: And you talk about the DNA, some of it was
Speaker 2: very interesting in that there was DNA found on belt
Speaker 2: that belonged to Kissen and a belt that belonged to Marcus,
Speaker 2: indicating that likely a belt was used in this murder.
Speaker 3: Yes, DNA as you mentioned on both belts. Also there
Speaker 3: was blood splatter on the wall of the bathroom and
Speaker 3: there was DNA on the trousers of the murderer, Marcus.
Speaker 3: That was some very good physical evidence that the jury heard.
Speaker 3: They also during the trial when doctor Steers was presenting
Speaker 3: his autopsy results which were very graphic, and there were
Speaker 3: times when the jurors were literally sobbing and some looking
Speaker 3: away because of the graphic nature of those pictures. I
Speaker 3: could not put those in the book, nor should I.
Speaker 3: Only no two ones that showed some bruising, and I
Speaker 3: think that would be that was acceptable to do that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely dramatic testimony in this trial included Jessica, and what
Speaker 2: was surprising was that the cross examination of Jessica was
Speaker 2: only fifteen minutes. Tell us a little bit about Jessica's
Speaker 2: testimony and what was actually said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for my recollection, Dan. She basically said that Marcus
Speaker 3: was not a good person, that he did not treat
Speaker 3: Kyson nicely, he resented. She said that he resented having
Speaker 3: to take care of him because he could not do
Speaker 3: his business as such, and that Kyson that particular day
Speaker 3: May third, when the murder occurred Tyson, he was supposed
Speaker 3: to take care of him, and he said he had
Speaker 3: other things to do, so that particular day, Tyson was
Speaker 3: a bother to Marcus. And so she did go into
Speaker 3: testimony about how they met, how they were treating each other,
Speaker 3: and so forth, and she did say, yes, I loved
Speaker 3: him at one time, but I think she was not
Speaker 3: very careful in vetting him ahead of time, not looking
Speaker 3: into his background, or she ignored advice from her friend
Speaker 3: Cheryl Quarrels when Cheryl mentioned to her that Tyson had
Speaker 3: been abused she did not take the advice of John Blend,
Speaker 3: her uncle to look more carefully at things, So there's
Speaker 3: some culpability on her part certainly.
Speaker 2: She was asked, were you going to remain living together
Speaker 2: and her answer was no, he was moving out the
Speaker 2: following weekend.
Speaker 3: Yes a good point. Yes, she did say that, and
Speaker 3: she had just had enough of him that it was
Speaker 3: not going well. It was not only very abusive, but
Speaker 3: she finally realized that he was seeing other women, especially Regina,
Speaker 3: who came to Wisconsin and they spent She spent a
Speaker 3: week up here. He motored down over into Ohio with
Speaker 3: Shelby's car. That's when she found out that his wife,
Speaker 3: former wife, found out she had been married. And so far,
Speaker 3: you're right about doctor Michael Steer's testimony. Forensic pathologists two
Speaker 3: hundred individual bruises, acute and not old. Historically, he had
Speaker 3: never seen as many in his entire career. Lesions, rib fractures,
Speaker 3: wound on the head. As I mentioned, direct bruising to
Speaker 3: the brain, which was a lethal injury. Kyson weighed thirty
Speaker 3: six pounds and forty one one and a half inches
Speaker 3: in length. He considered the lesions, the locations and the
Speaker 3: time and what was going on psychologically. He said, this
Speaker 3: constitutes medically torture, and he emphasized torture. Yes. See, he
Speaker 3: turned to the jury and says, this was not an
Speaker 3: ordinary crime this and yelled it out torture several times.
Speaker 3: And I think that made a big impact on the jury.
Speaker 2: Now, a big impact on the jury, and a surprise
Speaker 2: to myself and anyone listening is why and how and
Speaker 2: what Marcus Anderson says on the stand. Tell us how
Speaker 2: he decides to take the stand, and then let's talk
Speaker 2: about some of the things that he has questioned about
Speaker 2: and his incredible answers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was one of the days when I was
Speaker 3: there and I was surprised as well as some of
Speaker 3: the people that he would take the stand, but he
Speaker 3: decided to do that. That was what his lawyer told
Speaker 3: a judge. And of course it's entirely up to the defendant.
Speaker 3: And when he was asked over and over but what happened,
Speaker 3: he would give an answer, then he would change it eventually.
Speaker 3: I believe the DA counted to sixteen or seventeen different
Speaker 3: versions of the reason that Tyson was killed and how
Speaker 3: he passed away. He would be asked about something and
Speaker 3: he would say, well, well, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. It did not go well.
Speaker 3: I kind of felt that he had been better off
Speaker 3: not to take the stand.
Speaker 2: But certainly he did, and the jurors got to hear
Speaker 2: exactly what he had to say and how he behaved,
Speaker 2: and his responses to all of his behavior and all
Speaker 2: of the allegations. The jury deliberated for I think you
Speaker 2: write two and a half hours, So tell us about
Speaker 2: the verdict.
Speaker 3: Well, and there were sixteen counts. The first count was
Speaker 3: the count of murder, which was the important one, yes,
Speaker 3: and then there were counts of bail jumping, intimidation of
Speaker 3: a witness, several counts dealing with false imprisonment, things of
Speaker 3: that sort. And the jury took, as you mentioned, two
Speaker 3: and a half hours. I did talk to two of
Speaker 3: the jurors later and they were very open about that.
Speaker 3: They said, right away we knew he was guilty. It
Speaker 3: was the but they have to go through each of
Speaker 3: the sixteen counts and they have to agree guilty or
Speaker 3: not guilty in every one of those counts. So that's
Speaker 3: the reason it took two and a half hours. He
Speaker 3: was found guilty on twelve of the sixteen counts, the
Speaker 3: accounts that he was acquitted of was basically on bail jumping,
Speaker 3: which were really not that important. Really, it was the
Speaker 3: first one that was the big one.
Speaker 2: You're right that Wisconsin hasn't had a death penalty since
Speaker 2: the turn of the century the twentieth century, and so
Speaker 2: the only sentence available, the maximum sentence, would be life
Speaker 2: without parole without the possibility of parole, and consecutive sentencing
Speaker 2: for the other charges.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I'd have to go back and look, but
Speaker 3: I think he had something like one hundred and some
Speaker 3: years totally. And he was taken to wapon which is
Speaker 3: one of the main prisons in Wisconsin, and eventually transferred
Speaker 3: to Boston Bell, Wisconsin, which is the maximum security which
Speaker 3: is one of the few maximum security prisons in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: And you say that he was transferred there for likely
Speaker 2: because he was a danger. And this is isolation even
Speaker 2: from other inmates. So this is a special kind of
Speaker 2: hell for people that deserve it, like this person here.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's strange, Dan, because Bastobell, Wisconsin is a
Speaker 3: small community right along the Wisconsin River in a southern
Speaker 3: Wisconsin beautiful area. And he will never be able to
Speaker 3: see the hills that lay right outside of his stell
Speaker 3: there twenty three hours in the cell, and then he
Speaker 3: give an hour where they can go out and exercise
Speaker 3: a little bit. They only send him there if they
Speaker 3: misbehave in other facilities, and that's what he did when
Speaker 3: he was in wapon He was not a nice guy
Speaker 3: over there.
Speaker 2: You right that John Glynn, Jessica's uncle, spoke at and
Speaker 2: made an impact statement, along with other people involved in
Speaker 2: this case as well, But you include John Glynn's dramatic
Speaker 2: impact statement.
Speaker 3: Yes, and very emotional and very telling. He at one
Speaker 3: point talked about you would say something like a bruise here,
Speaker 3: and then he would count and then another bruise here,
Speaker 3: and a hit and slam here and so forth, and
Speaker 3: that was very very dramatic. And then several police officers
Speaker 3: also spoke and as the assistant DA at the about
Speaker 3: the crime.
Speaker 2: And they talked about Kyson finally just only three years old,
Speaker 2: but had lived three years of life and had developed
Speaker 2: this lovable character that John Glenn described.
Speaker 3: Yes, Superman, he was a Spider Man. Rather, he was
Speaker 3: a big fan of Spider Man. And he was three
Speaker 3: years and eight months when he was killed. The funeral
Speaker 3: was held a week after the murder. He had several cousins,
Speaker 3: John Blenn's children grandchildren were about the same age, and
Speaker 3: he had a very beautiful white cast, and all the
Speaker 3: children at the visitation took little stickers of like Superman,
Speaker 3: Spider Man and they put it on the cast. And
Speaker 3: that was very therapeutic for them to do that, to
Speaker 3: finally say goodbye to their friend that they had known
Speaker 3: for a number of years.
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, John Glynn met with you and said
Speaker 2: that this story needed to be told, and he wanted
Speaker 2: you to tell it, and you certainly have. I want
Speaker 2: to thank you very much for coming on and talking
Speaker 2: about murder in a small town, the Kisan Rice case.
Speaker 2: For those people that might want to check out more
Speaker 2: about this story. Do you have a website? You do
Speaker 2: any social media? Yeah, we have a website. They can
Speaker 2: just type in Larry Sheckel and it'll the website will
Speaker 2: come up. We also are on Facebook and I do
Speaker 2: a weekly blog we have promoting the book. It's a
Speaker 2: tale of how a community has to be careful about
Speaker 2: their young people. It also is a cautionary tale about
Speaker 2: young ladies who have to be a cognizant that there
Speaker 2: are men out there. There are good men, and there's
Speaker 2: some that are not so good, and they have to
Speaker 2: be very careful about that. It's a story that about
Speaker 2: child abuse, and that's very much in the news these days.
Speaker 2: I hope that John Glenn is pleased with the book.
Speaker 2: He said he is, and he has promoted it for me. Also,
Speaker 2: it also is a tale of diligent police work and
Speaker 2: two police forces working together to solve this incredible crime.
Speaker 3: Yes, and also I should point out that Judge Goodman,
Speaker 3: Judge Mark Goodman been on the bench over there for
Speaker 3: about ten years or so. Well liked, very diligent about
Speaker 3: making the people that come to testify feel welcome and
Speaker 3: at ease. He had a checklist, he said, of twenty
Speaker 3: things I have to do to run this trial, and
Speaker 3: he'd frequently say, well, I'm number fourteen right now, that
Speaker 3: sort of thing. And he has to be very careful
Speaker 3: about having it not go to appeal because as this moment,
Speaker 3: Marcus Anderson has filed seventeen appeals and they're still ongoing.
Speaker 3: So I can't point out how good a job that
Speaker 3: Mark Goodman did over there.
Speaker 2: Yes, again, I want to thank you for coming on
Speaker 2: and talking about murder in a small town, the Kaison
Speaker 2: race case. Thank you very much Larry Shekel for this interview,
Speaker 2: and you have a great evening and good night. Thank you,
Speaker 2: dam thank you.