WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:11.080 You are now listening to True Murder, the most shocking 2 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:14.160 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 3 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:21.519 written about them. Geesy Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker VTK Every 4 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:25.239 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 5 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.879 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host, 6 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:33.359 journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 7 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:44.320 Good Evening. It was the most horrific crime ever to 8 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:49.719 come before this court, said the judge, a renowned forensic pathologist, 9 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:54.159 shouted from the witness stand torture when describing the beating 10 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:57.600 three year old Kaisan Rice took at the hands of 11 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:02.799 a six foot three, two hundred and forty monster. Read 12 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:06.319 the account of an ambulance team desperately trying to keep 13 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:09.879 a badly beaten boy alive and a high risk arrest 14 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:13.680 by a well equipped, professionally trained police force to take 15 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:19.280 down a murderer. Follow in the footsteps of four investigators 16 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:24.040 who reached as far as Arizona to gather information, relive 17 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:27.599 the courtroom drama as a seasoned district attorney and a 18 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:31.760 skilled assistant District attorney forge a compelling case in which 19 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:37.719 there were no witnesses, no weapons, any questionable motive follow 20 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:41.519 the longest trial in Monroe County court history, with the 21 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:47.120 most witnesses ever to testify, often leaving the jury in tears. 22 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:51.200 Read the heartbreaking account of a mother and community losing 23 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:55.959 a loving, intelligent, and happy youngster to a painful and 24 00:01:56.040 --> 00:02:00.400 excruciating death at the hands of a cowardly psychopath who 25 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:06.879 refused to accept responsibility for torturing Kison to death. The 26 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:09.879 book that we're featuring this evening is Murder in a 27 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:15.120 Small Town, The Kison Rice Case, with my special guest 28 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:19.439 author Larry Shekel. Welcome to the program, and thank you 29 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:23.199 very much for this interview Larry Shekel, Thank you, Dan, 30 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:26.680 thank you very much, and congratulations on this book, Murder 31 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:27.599 in a Small Town. 32 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.319 Well, it was a joy to write that, and it's 33 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:34.240 a very interesting book. It has a lot of lessons involved. 34 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:38.680 You write that, John Glynn writes the forward to this book, 35 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:42.680 tell us who John Glynn is, and tell us tell 36 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:46.719 us about the origins of this book. What brought you 37 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:50.199 to this story? Why did you feel compelled to write 38 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:53.960 this story? Oh, John Glenn was a friend of mine. 39 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.280 I had him in class. I was a physics teacher 40 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:59.400 here in Toma for many years. We have shared an 41 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:04.080 interest in aviation. He has a motorized pained glider I 42 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.719 fly Cessna one fifty and so we often have a 43 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:11.960 cross paths. He has a house at the airport and 44 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:15.680 he is an executive for Cardinal Blast here in Toma. 45 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:19.360 So he urged me to write this book as a 46 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:23.159 lesson and also a story that should be told. Now 47 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:26.520 tell us who John Glenn and his wife Joline are 48 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:31.840 the living arrangements and their relation to the central figure 49 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:35.240 in this book, Jessica Rice and Cayson Rice. 50 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:39.960 Yes, John and Joline Glenn. They live at the airport 51 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:46.879 and Joline's sister is the mother of Jessica. So Jessica 52 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:53.000 is the niece of John and Joline Glenn. He was 53 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:57.960 born in nineteen ninety three and she was a dwarf. 54 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:02.120 She had dwarf ism and so she underwent an extensive 55 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:07.680 and painful hospitalization where basically they would break a bone, 56 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:11.319 stretch it, let it heal, break it again, and so 57 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:16.439 she is about four feet six inches tall. She graduated 58 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:20.240 from Homa High School. It was a painful thing to 59 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:23.920 do in twenty eleven, and then she got a job 60 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:29.160 at Taco Bell. Jolene and John took care of Jessica 61 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:36.519 because Jessica's mother had some difficulties with emotions and mental capacity. 62 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:40.160 So that's how Jolene lived with them. 63 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:45.120 Now you're right. In two thoy and nineteen she is 64 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:49.120 living with John and Jolene their two children, and also 65 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:53.920 John and Jolene's parents or Jolene's parents, pardon me, in 66 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:58.519 this household what happens in twenty nineteen in terms of 67 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:00.480 a change for Jessica Kyson. 68 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:08.560 In twenty fifteen, Jessica becomes pregnant and the man is 69 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:11.439 not in the family at all. He has nothing to 70 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:15.279 do with his lover and the son that is born. 71 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:20.319 And so in twenty fifteen, jesse becomes a mother of 72 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:25.480 a Kyson, and so they stay with John and Joline 73 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:28.639 Glenn in their house. And after a number of years, 74 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:33.439 three years or so, when Kyson was that old, Jessica 75 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:35.879 decides that she would like to be out on her own, 76 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:42.920 so she rents an apartment in downtown of downtown Poma, 77 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:49.560 say By Duplex, and in twenty nineteen she connects again 78 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:54.560 with Marcus at Taco Bell. Marcus is a customer out 79 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:59.920 there and they talk and eventually they decide in mark 80 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:04.759 of two thousand and nineteen that Marcus is going to 81 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.600 live with Jessica and her son Kyson. 82 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:14.439 Now her son Kaison is three years old. Does he 83 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:17.920 have any developmental problems himself. 84 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:22.600 No, He's perfectly fine. He has a slight to tick 85 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:27.240 in his eye because of a nerve, but it's a 86 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:30.480 minor thing and treatable. He just has to take eye 87 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.199 drops to keep the eye lubricated more than a normal 88 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:39.160 person would. But he's described as healthy, intelligent, well liked. 89 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:41.639 He likes to have a good time. He just a 90 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:42.639 normal kid. 91 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:46.399 Now you talk about Marcus Anderson, and some of the 92 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:52.120 information comes from people that knew him previous to twenty 93 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:55.879 and nineteen. Marcus was born in July nineteen eighty four. 94 00:06:56.079 --> 00:07:01.519 His parents Tory and Helen Helen Anderson and a good 95 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:06.319 account of Marcus's behavior comes from his one time living 96 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:11.920 girlfriend Julie Alvarez al Kala tell us about their meat 97 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:17.959 in California when a car broke down and her relationship 98 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:22.120 with Marcus and her experiences with Marcus. 99 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:27.240 Yes very interesting. Marcus was a lad who had a 100 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:31.560 difficulty staying in school. He often skipped he was cited 101 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:35.800 for that. He went to a nightclub where he found 102 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:40.439 Julie had car trouble, so he helps her fix her car 103 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:46.519 and they develop a relationship where Julie has five children 104 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.279 of her own and she's in Bakersfield, California, but she 105 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:54.800 moves to Phoenix, Arizona, and Marcus moves with her, and 106 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:59.439 so Marcus and Julie are living together with the five children, 107 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:03.240 and over time they have three children of their own. 108 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:07.720 Marcus is constantly in trouble with the law. He is 109 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:15.560 a smokes marijuana frequently. He has a felony for gun possession. Eventually, 110 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:20.600 him and his wife they rob a gas station. He 111 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:24.480 is arrested. He spends six and six to seven years 112 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:28.920 in prison, and then finally he comes to Wisconsin where 113 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:31.720 his father is in a nearby town here, so he 114 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:36.519 has a lot of scheckered pass that follows him to Wisconsin. Here. 115 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:42.039 You're right that she leaves him because he's beating her 116 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:43.000 more frequently. 117 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.679 Oh, he beats her terribly and she will throw him 118 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.440 out and then after a bit she calls him back. 119 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:53.399 So it's the battered wife syndrome there. It's not a 120 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:58.120 good situation. And he abuses the children too. When his 121 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:02.639 Julie goes to work, he takes advantage of the children 122 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:05.080 in not so good ways. 123 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:09.440 You're right that he's a big guy. Tell us how 124 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:10.879 big this person is. 125 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.039 Well, the estimates vary, but at one time he was 126 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.679 well over three hundred pounds three hundred and twenty four pounds. 127 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.200 He's sixty three six 'y four. He is a big guy. 128 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:26.240 He constantly tells people that he was in the Marine Corps, 129 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:28.440 and of course he was never in the Marine Corps, 130 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.519 and that is going to bode not well for him 131 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:32.080 later on. 132 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:38.320 So let's get to twenty nineteen. You say that Jessica 133 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:43.039 and Marcus reunite again and decide to rekindle the relationship, 134 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:47.360 but at the same time he has other relationships in 135 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:52.120 California with a woman named Regina Hall. But also tell 136 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:59.200 us about Kyson's childcare or daycare arrangement and how Marcus 137 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.039 comes to be involved in his care. 138 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:06.360 Yes, by the way, when Marcus comes to Wisconsin, he 139 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:13.039 does marry a woman in Lacrosse. That does not bode 140 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:17.039 well too. He beats her constantly and she finally sues 141 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:20.000 for divorce and the police are called to their place 142 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:25.679 a number of times. And then Jessica has Kyson in childcare, 143 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:29.720 but when Marcus moves in with her in the duplex, 144 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:33.600 she takes them out of big care. And during the 145 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:38.159 day when Jessica is working, then Marcus takes care of Kyson. 146 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:43.279 You write about Shelby Anderson, his ex wife, and she 147 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:47.480 has children or a child, and so she describes his 148 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:52.960 behavior during their relationship and again the violence that ensues. 149 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:58.080 Yes, he seems to take advantage of vulnerable women, both 150 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:02.080 in California and in Arizona. And then when he comes 151 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:05.440 to Wisconsin. It's sort of a pattern he's developed. He 152 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:10.879 does not view women as equals, but as basically his servants. 153 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:15.519 So Jessica had just moved to her own place at 154 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:21.399 this Jody Circle address, so Marcus does not stay as 155 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:24.879 soon as he moves in, he does not stay there continually. 156 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:29.240 There is some travel in his plans, so tell us 157 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:33.159 about those that traveling that he does, and then what 158 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:34.519 happens when he returns. 159 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:40.159 Yes, he goes frequently to Madison. He's constantly dealing drugs, 160 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:44.960 and Shelby Anderson described him as a street pharmacist. He 161 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:48.279 frequently goes up to Alma Center where he has a 162 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:51.080 lady friend up there that he has an association with 163 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:56.399 He comes back frequently. And the strange thing is that 164 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:01.559 Jessica doesn't seem to put any kabasha, that she seems 165 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:04.639 to go along with it, which is kind of odd. 166 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:09.440 Yes, now, tell us about Regina Hall. When I asked 167 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:16.080 about Regina Hall if she had any developmental issues, Yes, 168 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:19.000 she does. She lives with her mother, April Hall, down 169 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:24.440 in Phoenix area. She's one of those that believes that 170 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:28.519 I guess any man is okay as long as she 171 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:33.360 has some companionship. And so she does have developmental problems 172 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:40.240 and emotional difficulties, and she clings to Marcus much more 173 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:44.240 than she should. She supports him financially, she sends some 174 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:49.039 things in the mail, and it's an ongoing relationship where 175 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:52.399 she refuses to believe that Marcus could be anything but 176 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:56.639 faithful to her. Tell us about Larry and Cheryl Quarrels 177 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:03.200 and their proximity to this story, but also to Jessica 178 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.440 Rice and her home. 179 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:09.960 Yes, Larry and Cheryl Quarrels lived right outside of home, 180 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:14.840 about a mile And when Marcus was gone for any 181 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:17.720 extensive period of time, say a week or two, as 182 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:21.960 he frequently was, then Kyson would take care, would be 183 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.279 taken care of by Larry and Cheryl Quarrels. They had 184 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:28.360 room out there and he'd often stay overnight with Larry 185 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:32.799 and Cheryl. It's something that Jesse could rely on people 186 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:36.679 that would take care of Kyson when Marcus was not there. 187 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:44.120 So Larry and Cheryl, when we talk about you write 188 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:48.720 the prelude to Murder, which was May twenty nineteen, tell 189 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:53.960 us about Larry and his interactions. Tell us about his 190 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:57.759 interactions with Marcus. But we have to go backwards. When 191 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:02.360 Marcus comes back from California and Arizona, he is admitted 192 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:06.600 into the hospital, so Larry and Cheryl visit him at 193 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:10.600 the hospital. Tell us about this incident and event at 194 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:11.320 the hospital. 195 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:15.679 Yes, he's in the hospital for problems with his legs, 196 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:19.960 which the medical profession believes is brought on by a 197 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:25.360 drug use. Tyson and Jessica go to visit him. Jessica 198 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:29.039 finds that Tyson is sitting on his lap in bed 199 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:34.120 and he is pounding on his chest and saying, why 200 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:37.440 are you making me look bad to the nurses. Jessica 201 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:41.759 recognizes that she sees that she comes back just as 202 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:47.080 sad as happening that she tells Cheryl about that, but 203 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:51.799 Cheryl and Larry do not do anything. They later regret 204 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:53.600 not taking some action on that. 205 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.759 Let's use us as an opportunity to stop to hear 206 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:02.559 these messages. Now, let's get to as you write the 207 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:09.080 prelude to the murder. May third, twenty nineteen, Marcus stays out, 208 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:13.720 is out the night before, and comes home early in 209 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:18.440 the morning. Jessica is scheduled for work, but also has 210 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.639 a morning appointment she has to go to. She doesn't 211 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:25.480 have a car anymore. We won't have time to talk 212 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:28.960 about how she lost that vehicle that John Glenn had 213 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:32.639 given her, but let's talk about that. Her friend, Amber 214 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.919 Mosley comes to pick her up to go to work 215 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:41.240 when she leaves, and then the phone calls between Marcus 216 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:45.559 and Jessica that occur soon after Jessica starts her shift. 217 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:49.639 Yes, Jessica is picked up by Amber Mosley, who also 218 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:53.080 works at Taco Bell. Tyson is not awake at the time. 219 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:56.600 He wakes up about an hour later. Larry comes over 220 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:00.600 later in the morning and they interact. And and when 221 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:04.679 Marcus came back from his week in California, most everybody 222 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:07.679 that knows him describes him as a totally different person. 223 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:11.919 He was out there trying to get custody of his 224 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:16.120 three children, which he did not do. He has problems 225 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:20.120 getting his drugs that he needs both to sell and 226 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:24.480 to use on himself, and so Larry and Sheryl Quarrel 227 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:29.120 says he's a completely different person. Ryan Campus also describes 228 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:33.639 him as having a change in his attitude. He's angry, 229 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.919 he's in a foul mood. He argues with Jessica violently 230 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.720 the night before. It's not a good thing for Tyson 231 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:44.440 to be around him, and that's kind of what happened. 232 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:50.799 You're right though, that their correspondence later is used in 233 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:55.919 the trial, used in the investigation, and right away it's 234 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:01.159 really telling of the character of Marcus. Have Jessica to 235 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:07.680 a lesser degree, but it's important those messages to Jessica 236 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:12.519 and how they he seems desperate much later in the day, 237 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:16.960 So tell us the gist of what he is saying 238 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:20.160 to Jessica soon after going to work. What is he 239 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:24.160 They're used to speaking to each other via text, but 240 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:27.960 she is working, and so what is the nature of 241 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:31.480 the calls and the texts that he makes to Jessica. 242 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:36.119 Marcus complains that Jessica is not taking care of him, 243 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.759 and so they're texting back and forth. You don't care 244 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:42.519 about me, you don't love me anymore, of that sort 245 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:46.640 of thing. They also talk, and those texts, of course, 246 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:50.240 are used in the trial because there's evidence they also 247 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:53.960 talk talk on the cell phone, and during her entire 248 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:59.039 noon break, she is talking to Marcus about their relationship. 249 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:04.279 He is angry that he wants him, he wants her 250 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:06.960 to come home and take care of him, and she says, 251 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:11.359 I can't, I'm working. And so later in the morning, 252 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:15.000 Marcus and Tyson go to Sparta. He has to pick 253 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:19.160 up a prescription over there. He's also texting and calling 254 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:21.400 her during that time, over and back. 255 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:27.240 So he goes to Walgreens and he limps in, and 256 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:30.920 we find out later why he might have done that. 257 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:36.759 And they had continued their correspondence and now talking about 258 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:39.440 their love for each other and that she would be 259 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:42.559 having the next few days where she would be able 260 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:44.920 to take care of him and certainly she wouldn't abandon 261 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:50.359 him like he claimed, and he had spoken before that 262 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:52.960 you need to get a full time babysitter. So his 263 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:57.279 demeanor and his attitude seems to change in these calls. 264 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:02.319 But then there is a call all around five o'clock, 265 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:04.839 and the tone of that is much different. 266 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:10.559 Yes, at about five oh four there's a camera, because 267 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.079 Marcus had three cameras set up around the house and 268 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:19.119 a monitoring system inside. That has all been confiscated and 269 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:22.599 used by the police. And I saw those videos and 270 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.640 it's a very telling one of Kyson and Marcus at 271 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:29.839 about five oh four, the last time he's ever seen alive. 272 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:34.920 He finally makes a call at about five five thirty 273 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:38.960 or so, and he makes that's when he commits the murder, 274 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:41.880 between five oh five and about five forty. 275 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:48.079 But before he calls a number of people, including the 276 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:52.559 Quarrels and some other friends, and before he calls the ambulance. 277 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:56.640 And you say, the dispatch gets that call at five 278 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.000 fifty five, so quite a bit after that time of five. 279 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:05.039 Clock, right, And there's no explanation of why he would 280 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:08.960 wait five minutes before he called the ambulance. He calls 281 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:12.000 three other people and some of the calls, other calls 282 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:15.720 are dropped. The about five about six o'clock is when 283 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:16.720 the ambulance out there. 284 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:20.880 What does he tell Jessica in his call has happened 285 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:21.920 to Kyson? 286 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:28.119 He tells Jessica that he has fallen in the bathtub. 287 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:31.279 Then later he changes it to where he has fallen 288 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:34.839 in in the garage and so forth, but he doesn't 289 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:37.279 really explain well what happened. 290 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:43.319 You write that Officer Steinborn enters the residence and what 291 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:47.559 does he see Marcus Anderson doing with Kyson and tell 292 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:54.640 us about the ensuing evidence and experience that he has 293 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:55.839 with Marcus Anderson. 294 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:59.559 Steinborn is one of the first to arrive, along with 295 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:07.759 Sergeant Ferlano. He sees Marcus trying to give resuscitation to 296 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:14.200 Kyson and it is not going well. He finally the 297 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:19.880 two officers get Marcus away and they try to revive Kyson. 298 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:22.920 They work on it for about twenty minutes. The ambulance 299 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:26.920 comes in and takes over after about four or five minutes, 300 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:30.559 and it's a struggle to try to get some life 301 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:34.759 back into Kison. All the while Marcus is dancing around 302 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:40.000 and yelling and screaming and pleading. He doesn't know what 303 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:43.599 to do. I tried to save him, I gave him respiration, 304 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:45.880 but it has not worked. 305 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:51.880 Yeah, Marcus says he found Kyson on the floor. The 306 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:57.400 floors were wet, yes, but also that Kyson was fully 307 00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:59.519 closed and his clothes were drenched. 308 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:05.039 Yes, there's a contradictions between what he says and what 309 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:10.640 the officers witnessed. Eventually, he gives a number of explanations 310 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:14.160 of what happened, none of which are plausible. 311 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:22.319 Now, what they more dramatically and more important is there 312 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:28.519 is incredible multiple bruising was visible over Kisson's entire body. 313 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.599 And you're right that the ambulance services were able to 314 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:34.400 find a pulse and they rush him to hospital. 315 00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:39.759 Yes, after about twenty minutes of them being there, they 316 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:43.480 realize that they are not making progress and reviving him, 317 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:47.559 so they do take him to the hospital. Filano drives 318 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:51.759 and then Marcus is staying back at the residence. The 319 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:55.079 officers tell him to come to the hospital, it's only 320 00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:58.559 about half a mile away, but he does not come. 321 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:00.880 He stays there at the residence. 322 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:06.119 There, So they rush Cayson to the hospital and they're 323 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:10.400 working on him feverishly there and they expect Marcus to 324 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:14.920 go to the hospital. Jessica arrives at that hospital soon after. 325 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:21.359 What do officers observe Marcus Anderson doing instead of heading 326 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:22.559 to the hospital right away? 327 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:28.079 Yes, Jessica does arrive with Amber Mosley at the house. 328 00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:34.680 Jessica is there and they have just taken Tyson to 329 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:39.599 the hospital, and Marcus tries to give Jessica an explanation 330 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:43.759 about falling in the bathtub. Then Jessica and her friend 331 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:46.519 go to the hospital. Marcus stays there. There's a police 332 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:51.359 officer there, Officer Heckman. They're expecting that he would come 333 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:55.319 to the hospital right away, it's not very far away. 334 00:23:55.920 --> 00:24:01.160 Steinborn goes back another time to help he to try 335 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:06.319 to convince Marcus to come to the hospital. Eventually, Marcus 336 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:09.599 gets in his car and flees, So. 337 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:13.960 Let's get to The officers realize that they want to 338 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:17.400 search the crime scene, which happens to be the home 339 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:23.519 on Jody Circle. What is Marcus Anderson's response to police 340 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:27.480 to questioning and the request to search the home. 341 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:33.160 Well, Eventually, at about seven, a little before seven, Marcus 342 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:36.640 gets in his car and leaves. It's then that the 343 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:40.359 police officers realize that there may be a crime involved here, 344 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:43.920 partly because Marcus does not come to the hospital as 345 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:49.000 a normal person would. Marcus asked about Pyson his condition 346 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:53.079 over and over. That's when they put out a bulletin 347 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:57.480 what they call it points bulletin to look for Anderson, 348 00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:59.400 and he's eventually spotted downtown. 349 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:04.279 He has a dramatic scene as well. They're looking for 350 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:09.119 this possible killer of this kaison three year old and 351 00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:14.759 they spot him and try to get him to come 352 00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:17.119 out of the vehicle. So what does he do in 353 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:18.839 response to these demands? 354 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:26.000 Yes, he's stopped right across from the couple of taverns there. Perkins, 355 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:29.920 Officer Perkins is the one that spotted him. They set 356 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:34.599 up a block a block off streets. Anderson does not 357 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:38.519 respond to officers coming out. They have a police dog 358 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.359 there that is barking. He does not respond to that, 359 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:45.920 and eventually they call in the tactical unit from the 360 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.319 police department, which is about four or five blocks away. 361 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:53.640 The tactical unit comes. They use a bullhorn. They have 362 00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:57.039 a person an officer with a rifle trained on a 363 00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:00.759 Marcus in case there should be any problems. They have 364 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:04.960 blocked off the streets on all the areas. They have 365 00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:11.119 a tire restraint under his car, and eventually they shoot 366 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:15.640 a basically a bean bag at the window, the back window, 367 00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:19.440 and that gets his attention. They open the door and 368 00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:23.039 he eventually comes out. They place him under arrest. There 369 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:27.319 is no bullets fired except for that bean bank. He 370 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:31.319 doesn't know why he's under arrest, but it's telling that 371 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.440 when they put the handcuffs on him, he will never 372 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:39.039 ever be a free man from that time on. Let's 373 00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:43.519 get to Let's get to that right away. Police interview Jessica. 374 00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:46.920 They want to know how much she knows about this 375 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:53.000 very extensive bruising all over Kyson's body. The medical examiner 376 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.519 hasn't actually done his autopsy as of yet, but they 377 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:01.440 still have questions for Jessica. She is reluctant to she 378 00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:05.440 seems to be protective of Marcus, but the police convince 379 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:10.359 her to come clean. What does she eventually have to say? 380 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:14.000 And I know she's reluctant, So how does the conversation 381 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:18.119 start and how does it end with Jessica And what 382 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.920 information does he impart to them about Marcus? Yeah, you're 383 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.279 exactly right, Dan. At first, she is in denial. She 384 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:28.359 doesn't want to believe that Marcus could have done that. 385 00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:34.000 When the officer talks to her about the extense of bruising, 386 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.519 she eventually comes round to the idea that yes, yes 387 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:41.559 he did this, and I have to protect my son. 388 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:46.000 I can't protect Marcus anymore, and so she realizes and 389 00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:50.079 gives a fairly full account of what happened in the 390 00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:52.480 past as far as their relationship is concerned. 391 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:59.279 As I mentioned, there's an autopsy done them e Teresa, 392 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:03.599 I said, see what is discovered on the in the 393 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:08.119 autopsy in terms of the extent of the injuries to Kyson. 394 00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:14.680 Kyson is taken to the hospital, he is pronounced dead. 395 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:20.400 He is photographed and put in a body bag. The 396 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:25.400 funeral home comes and picks them up from Sparta. The 397 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:29.680 next day, they have an autopsy at the University of 398 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:35.079 Wisconsin Hospital in Madison, and the doctor Steer does that autopsies. 399 00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:40.039 He's done several thousand autopsies in his career, and they 400 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:44.559 discover that he has almost two hundred different bruises over 401 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:46.640