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Speaker 2: Didn't you talk about extreme.

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Speaker 3: Mnoledge?

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Speaker 4: We were guilty from the sun.

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Speaker 2: The dark and only show what real.

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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to another episode of The Brian Files.

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Today We've got an awesome guest in house, and I'll

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introduce him in just a second, But first I just

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Speaker 2: If you enjoy what you're listening to, I hope you do.

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Speaker 3: If you're here, but I don't want to hang out

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in that realm too much, so I want to get

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right into our guest today. I am going to be

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joined today by Doc Brown from the Prometheus Lens podcast.

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Man?

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Speaker 4: Hey man, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely dude.

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Speaker 3: Let me just turn you up a little bit there

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on my recording. So we talked a little bit today

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about what we're going to talk about. I'm really interested

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in talking about your book, man. I've heard bits and pieces.

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I have not read it in its entirety. I actually

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just downloaded it on audible, so I saw it was

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an audiobook. That's awesome, but I want to get through

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it in its entirety. But everything I've heard you talk

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about super super interesting. It's like right up my alley,

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all the stuff I love to talk about. So do

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you want to just kind of introduce your book and

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kind of what the premise of it is what we're

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getting into today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, Once again, I appreciate you having me. We

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had a little funny little joke back stage talking about

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your name of your show. I love the name of

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your show, but yeah, my show is called Prometheus Lynn's podcast.

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You can find that anywhere you can consume content. But

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the book was just a series of events that led

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me on a journey. It was a two year obsession

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for my first book. It's called The Epic of Esau,

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The Birthright and Seed War. You can find it on

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my website Prometheuslyns podcast dot com. You can get an

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autograph copy straight from me. I give sick stickers and bookmarks,

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a little giddy package and stuff where you get straight

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from Amazon. They got it digital, they got fiscal and

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then they also got the audible version. It's me reading

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it to you. But no, just that book. Man grew

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and the trading of the birthright and all these things.

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just accepted it because it was the the paradigm that

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you know. The first one came out read covered in

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hair from head to toe like a Harry Cloak, and

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the text and let it say what it says. If

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you took that description and seeing someone matching this description

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in the middle. And just one thing led to another.

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the cryptid stuff or did that kind of come after

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a you know, a squatchologist or you know or whatever.

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had a thirty thousand foot view of this guy. But

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title what he was described as.

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a goat pelt right, he puts on his on his arm. Yeah,

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unless his dad's just seen Isle at that point.

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if we're moving this way, because I think that kind

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of tease up a lot of this, if that's fair.

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would call people out for just hearing the mainstream paradigm

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therefore their opinion on that must be factual too. I'm

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just going to take their word for it. And that's

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something I condemned a lot of people for because more

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often than not, when I searched things out myself, I

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usually found something totally different. And the serpent seed I

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was guilty of it. Doctor Michael Heiser, doctor jud byrd

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and some people that I even consider, you know, friends

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and really intelligent people. They laughed at the serpent seed,

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you know, and said there was no you know, water

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to be held in that cup. So I was like, okay, yeah,

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that I'm not even gonna look that out because they're smart,

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it has to be that way. I trust them.

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and so like, I think it just gets gets lumped in.

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hell and going like, well, that can't there can be

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literally nothing to that because the Jehovah's witnesses believe it.

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avigation exactly, and so it's like you still have to

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parse that individual thing out and figure out if this

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that religion that basically copied Masonry, Campbell or not Campbell Mormons,

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there because that's their curse. Oh yeah, the war in Heaven. Yeah,

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they didn't choose the site, so therefore they were cursed

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to be black.

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means or goal. And I think that's a prime example

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had someone on my show. We ended up becoming real

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good friends with their doctor Joypugh. She's a great talk

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if you haven't had her on your show, but she,

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here we go. It's another whackadoo person that subscribes to

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this serpent Seed, you know. But I really liked her,

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and I guess where. She was a Southern gal too.

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She had a little bit of a southern drawer. Reminded

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me of my sweet grandma. So I listened to her

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and I heard her out, and she laid it out, man,

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and she did. She totally changed my paradigm and blew

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my worldview in two And when I started searching it out,

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I'm like, dude, it's try here. It's you have to

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be in denial to not see this thing. It's how

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I was looking at it. I was like, how did

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I look over this for so long? What's because I

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didn't search it out. I was believe what everybody else

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my own set of objective eyes, and pressed on it

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a little bit. And so when I was studying this

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book out, I started bumping into things, pointing to Esau

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being of a servant seat. For instance, it's the Lewis

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was born that he had a guardian angel, and his

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guardian angel was Samuel, which is you know Satan, they

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you know the way the Jewish, you know legends, and

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lower goes that this was his name before the fall,

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and then that's his brother Jacob had a guardian angel,

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but his guardian angel was Michael, the head archangel, and

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that even when Esau was born, he had a serpent's

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branding put upon his body, and that while pregnant Rebecca

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would walk by a house that was in service to Yahueh,

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that Jacob would stir with excitement, in which you'd walk

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by a house that was in service to a pagan god,

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that Esau would stir with excitement, and that he tried

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to kill his brother in the womb. And so once

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seeing that, I was like, well, that's strange because all

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serpent seed, and we know from Genesis they already paint

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him in this beastly looking light he comes out covered

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in hair from head to toe like a Harry cloak,

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was so hairy, literally that his brother had to kill

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a goat and wrap himselves in it for his father

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blind father to feel him and trick him. So he

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was literally, you know, that hairy man. And so once

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I got exposed to that serpent seed, do you want

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me to lay that out a little bit for those

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it's maybe never heard it.

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Speaker 3: If we could, man, because I've honestly got some questions

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on my own, like on maybe some different characters. I'll

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say this before you get into it, Like I think

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where I have a really hard time with it is

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think it's like I think it's I think it makes

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a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: I'll say that.

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Speaker 3: But then at the same time, I also do think

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the Bible speaks metaphorically, and so trying to figure out

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where to draw the line between the literal and the metaphor,

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because I think they're both present at different times, and

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so then understanding like who is operating maybe spiritually as

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a serpent seed kind of figure, and then who is

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like literally operate. Does that make sense? Like that's where

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would be one that I would want to hear your

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your thoughts on. But yeah, if you could layout kind

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of what are we talking about when we say the

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serpencied idea?

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, the garden beating the fall, the event. Adam

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and Eve's in this garden and then, as we have

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been told or heard or made to believe that, one day,

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she plucks an apple from this tree of the knowledge

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of good and evil and boom bites into it and

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she gets, you know, her consciousness basically, and then she

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realizes that she's naked, and they're kicked out of the garden,

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and of course the two brothers they battle and then

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the one kills the other, and that's kind of how

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the narrative went. But when you go back and you

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actually read that, it says that there is no apple.

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told that it was an apple tree and so therefore

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it's just kind of baked into our head like that,

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but the text doesn't say that. But all it says

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is that she partakes of this tree and then some

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of the English translations say and she ate. But when

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you go into the Hebrew, uh, one word can have

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multiple meanings. So it's important to you know, look up

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these words and see how many different ways that word

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was translated to out detect and then take those and

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kind of plug and play and see which one fits better.

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Because the original Hebrew there was no consonants or vowels.

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I'm sorry, it was just consonants. So like the cause,

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you know, it's like n H S or whatever, but

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like you'll have three consonants, but you can insert different

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vowels in between.

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Speaker 3: There is where you get the words for bronze or shining,

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and where you get the word for like necromancy or divination,

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and so all those things are.

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Speaker 2: Wrapped up in that same word.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so it's like a combination. You can insert

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different vowels in between consonants and get totally different words.

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And so that's why you have that is if we're

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being honest to translators, they just see these consonants and

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they're like, I think it's this word. So if we

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add this vowel here and this vowel here, it makes

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this word. And I think that makes sense, and it might,

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but you're playing an educated guessing game if you're being honest.

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So I think that's why it's important to see all

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the different variations and plug and play them. So in

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the English it says she partakes of this tree and

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she eats, But that same Hebrew word many times in

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the Old Testament is translated to enjoys. So I think

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that's a better fit because it says in there she

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partakes of this tree and she enjoys. And then she

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goes to her husband and he too in joys. Okay.

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So then after that what happens They realize that they're naked,

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and what do they do? They cover their sexual reproductive organs.

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And she told me this story, doctor Joypeugh, and it

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stuck with me because I think it's probably about the

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best analogy I've ever heard to try to get people

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to understand this idea. And she said, as a kid,

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we weren't allowed to have sweets before dinner, she said,

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and we have a cookie jar on top of the refrigerator.

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And she said, every once in a while, she said,

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when mom would slip out or have her back turned.

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She said, me and my sister would sneak up there

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and steal some cookies. She said, well, one day we

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snuck up there and grabbed some cookies and started eating them,

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and mother came in and called us. She said, you

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know what was the first thing that we did? She said,

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We covered our mouth. She said, because that's where the

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sin was, that's where the transgression was. That's what we

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wanted to hide, that's what we were ashamed of. When

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you're caught in the act of doing something wrong, you

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want to hide that. And she said, I think that's

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what happened there, She said, because God shows up and

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they all of a sudden cover their sexual reproductive organs

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because that's what they were doing. And she said, and

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then if you look at the cursings, she said, you know,

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God is the same yesterday, today, and forevermore. She said,

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all the cursings always correlate to the crime, and they

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always give you the opposite of what you're trying to achieve.

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She said, so look at the curses. Not only did

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when they were found out, they covered their sexual reproductive organs.

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All of God's curses circulate around birthing and or seeding

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children and sex. She said, the woman's cursed to have

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a painful child bearing. That's from the act of a

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sexual act. She said, then she's cursed to have painful

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minstrel cramps. That's due to a sexual interaction. And then

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he said, and I will put enmity between her seed

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and thy seed talking to the serpent, so it says

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outright that the serpent is going to have a seed,

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and that those two are going to be at war

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at enmity with each other, and that one would bruise

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one's head and the other would bruise the other's heal.

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So and then she said, thenk yeah, she said, okay.

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She said, now look at the etymology of their names.

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She said, we tend to forget this is not a

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play by playbook written in real time. She said, this

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is like the ESPN highlight reel that the night after

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you're watching the recaps, they're hitting the high points. And

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she said, in a lot of these characters in the Bible,

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she said, the names that you get are not their

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real names. She said, if you notice a lot of

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the themes, when you go into the etymology of what

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they mean, they correlate to that person's character. In the story. Nimrod,

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the rebel you think his name was really the rebel. No,

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it was. So I'm rising his character in that story,

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not saying he wasn't a real character.

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Speaker 3: It's sort of a name Thespians on like a traveling

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like stage show, like back in the Middle Ages, how

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you would always have the same archetypal characters, like you're

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always going to have the fool, You're always gonna have

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the hero, You're always gonna have the damsel in distress.

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They don't really have names, they're just like these archetypal functions, right.

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. She said, So if

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you go, she said, to their names, she said, Caine

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means acquired. She said, so what loving mother would name

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their child acquired? She said, But, like I said, it

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correlates to his role in the story, she said, because

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he was not Adam's child. He was acquired. He was adopted.

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And she said, and then you go to Abel. She said.

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Abel's name means breath. She said, because he was in

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the similitude of his father Adam, who was a lifeless

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being until what the breath of God was put into him.

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So he was naming him after his father. Cain was

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the one that was acquired, and what happens when they

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get kicked out of the garden. First thing, Yeah, they're

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sure it is enmity and war between the two seeds

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because Cain kills Abel, because Cain was of the wicked One.

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And when you get into the New Testament, you see

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this is whether it's you know, physical, whether it's spiritual.

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I mean that we can debate on, but we cannot

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debate that. This is the thoughts and beliefs of the

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people of the time. And John even says, you know,

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Cain was of the wicked One. In the New Testament,

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Jesus when he's talking to the Pharisees, what does he say, said,

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you are of your father, the devil, who was a

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murderer from the beginning. Who is the murderer from the beginning,

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his son Kan So the context is Caine. And then

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it says you are a brute of vipers, and then

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a lot of people stop there. But how they reply

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I think's pretty damning because the Pharisees respond with, we

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were not born of fornication. We have but one father.

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So you remember, the context is Kane. He was a

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murderer from the beginning. So they're saying we're not like Cain.

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We have but one father, because Adam and are Cain

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and Abel had two separate fathers. So they're saying, no, no, no,

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we're not like Cain, who was born out of adultery.

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We have but one father. So there's separating themselves from

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that other seed line. And then the final nail in

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the coffin for me was when Paul is talking into

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Second Corinthians. I think it's chapter eleven. He's talking to

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the church Corinth and he says, I have a jealousy

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for you. He said, no, wait, I have a righteous

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jealousy for you. He said, I prepared you as a

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chased vergin to one husband, but I am afraid that

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you will be beguiled as Eve was beguiled by that

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ancient twisting serpent. And that's the same word used in

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the Genesis account, beguiled, which means wholly seduced, And the

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context of that conversation was sex. He said, I prepared

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you as a chaste verse, but I'm afraid that you

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will be beguiled as Eve was beguiled by that ancient

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twisting serpent. And then Seth, you know, he was the

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replacement for Abel when you go to the etymology of

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his name, that's what his name means, the replacement. And

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then it takes the time to even say when Seth

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was born that he was born in the similitude of

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his father Adam. They didn't say that about Cain. Why

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did they add that extra detail in why was his

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name the replacement? Because he was Adam's son's replacement because

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Cain was not his.

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Speaker 3: It's so much man, like, it really is, and like

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you're so right when you say people just kind of

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poopoo this thing because it once again, you've got a

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lot of bad actors that have adopted it.

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Speaker 2: But it's like if.

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Speaker 3: You just break it down to it, like get rid

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of all the weird stuff, get rid of all the

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stuff where you start trying to make this about race

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or about like a you know, dominant group of people

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on the planet, like that's what people do. But let's

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just break it down to like what the text says.

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That's there's a lot of evidence, man, And I'm I'm

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a big believer in the whole concept of like you know,

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you find you find one thing that feels out of

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place and you go, oh, that's a coincidence. Then you

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find another, and you find another, and you find another.

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And at some point we're talking about evidence, right Like,

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at some point this mounting pile of coincidence, we have.

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Speaker 2: To go, hey, there's all there's an awful lot of this.

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Speaker 3: Quote unquote coincidence here, you know, So that feels like

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what this is?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a lot.

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Speaker 4: That's what I tell people. It blows my mind that

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I can pile up this big old amount of evidence

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and people still just ignore it. And the one thing

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that I do get is like I laid out all

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that stuff there, and there's more stuff I could talk to,

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But I think that's a pretty damn good case right there.

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But people will throw up one verse and that's all

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they ever have is one verse. And I talk about

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it in my book and I break it down. It's

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I believe it's a fallacy. It's a hollow point. And

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the thing is is, tell me what world that you

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can have ten, fifteen, twenty pieces of evidence piling up

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against you in the court of law, but one person

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has one item that sounds like it may contradict one

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of yours, Well, what about the other nineteen? You might

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have eliminated one, But now you're one doesn't beat my twenty,

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you know what, right, But that one verse.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I was gonna say, I want you to

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get into it because I think I have maybe another

474
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,720
way of looking at what you're about to say that

475
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:41,279
I think also supports your claim. So okay, lay it

476
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:41,960
out there, man.

477
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,759
Speaker 4: Yeah. The one verse they all use is right after

478
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:49,200
the expulsion. It says in there, like I said, this

479
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,960
is one verse and this is the only thing that

480
00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:57,880
got And it says basically that when the children are born,

481
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,960
it says that Adam knew his wife and she bore Cain.

482
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:10,599
And it says, then again she bore Abel, and it

483
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,599
says and at the birth of Cain, so it's insinuating

484
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:18,599
twins there. And at the birth of Cain she makes

485
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:24,880
this special proclamation and she says, I have acquired which

486
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,559
is that's his name, folks, I have acquired this man

487
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:35,079
through the help of the Lord all caps in English Lord.

488
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,839
So that is the divine name, the Jodha Vave. So

489
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,880
people say, okay, case closed. It says that Adam knew

490
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,000
his wife and she bore Cain and Abel. So therefore

491
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,720
do you try and say that two seeds were germinated

492
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:54,359
at the garden is bunk. Once again, you got to

493
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,880
go back to the original languages. When you go back

494
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,279
to the original languages, I thought it was particularly weird, like, Okay,

495
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:08,160
Cain gets this special proclamation, but able doesn't why there's

496
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,279
nothing junk in the Bible. If they put something there,

497
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:12,440
it's for a reason. It's supposed to draw your attention

498
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:16,279
to something. So but then it hit me, I'm like,

499
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:23,799
all the other times that's talking about God. It says Elohem, Eloheim,

500
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,279
Elohem Elohem. In the beginning, the Eloheim created the heavens

501
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,000
and the earth, and the Eloheim said, let us make

502
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:34,799
man in our image constantly. And then all of a sudden,

503
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:40,000
the name changes to the divine name. And we're told

504
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,039
that Moses wrote the first five books of the Torah.

505
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,079
And so I'm like, well, Moses had the divine name. Okay.

506
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:54,079
So if I'm writing a story about this guy named Jeff,

507
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,960
and I'm like, hey, you know, Jeff woke up this

508
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:00,640
morning and brushed his teeth, took a show, and headed

509
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,279
to work, and I talk about his day. Then he

510
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:07,240
comes home and goes to sleep, he wakes up, and

511
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,359
then I'm like, now, today Johnny gets up and brushes

512
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,000
his teeth just like the day before, and showers to

513
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:16,319
leave for home. The reader's gonna be like, well, wha, whoa,

514
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:20,599
you just said he was Jeff. Why are you changing

515
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,440
his name in the middle of the story. And that's

516
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,160
what's happening here, But it's lost in the original languages

517
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:32,240
because we read the English. So if Moses wrote the

518
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,640
first five books, why did he change the name in

519
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,079
the middle of the story. And then I got to

520
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,119
search on that. I wasn't the only person that noticed

521
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:42,319
that and asked this question. There's these group of scholars

522
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,000
that got together and they formed this thing they called

523
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:51,039
the documentary hypothesis. And they think that either there was

524
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:56,200
already stories of creation and their religion already written down,

525
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,680
or in the very least, there was well established oral

526
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:05,680
traditions and stories that everybody knew, and that Moses decided

527
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,279
to be a documentarian and compile them all. Okay, I'm

528
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:12,440
going to take our creation story, and I'm going to

529
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,720
take this story and I'm going to put it together

530
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:16,680
and grab all of our different stories and put them

531
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,440
together to tell our full story. And to me, that

532
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:23,720
makes a lot more sense. So if he already had

533
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,279
a creation story and they were calling him Elohem Elohim Eloheim.

534
00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:29,960
Then we have that first insertion of the divine name,

535
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,039
which we know Moses was the only one to have

536
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:34,720
it in the first one to get it. So to me,

537
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:40,799
that shows that at that moment that is either Moses's

538
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,799
first redaction of the original text or where he picked

539
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:51,079
up where the story left off. So I think, and

540
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:53,480
I think it's very reasonable to at least ask this question.

541
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,160
I thought, I turned that emoji thing off. It always

542
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,160
frees my screen.

543
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: Will it pop back?

544
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: That's so fod I have to re said, it's funny.

545
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,079
Speaker 2: You're not even giving the thumbs up.

546
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: You just put your hand on your chest, and I

547
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,119
thought you did it, and it's so funny. Well, can

548
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,279
I give a while you're kind of working on that,

549
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,160
Can I give you a second thought here that I

550
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,960
think might play along with what you're saying?

551
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but we finished this thought though. Yeah, But

552
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,079
what I was gonna say was is, to me, it

553
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,799
makes more sense that the name stayed the same. If

554
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,480
the name stayed the same, that verse changes to all

555
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,839
of a sudden, I have acquired this man through the

556
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,160
help of the Eloheim Now, the eloheim can be plural,

557
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,200
it can be talking about the divine council. You know,

558
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:50,559
let us make man in our image, the Eloheim created them.

559
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:55,039
So I'm like, to me, I think the original writing

560
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:58,559
or telling of it was, I have acquired this man

561
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:03,839
through the help of the Eloheim. What elohean then, Nakash?

562
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,799
That's who I think.

563
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I think that's a fair interpretation.

564
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,079
And what I would kind of pair that with is

565
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:18,400
every time biblically you see God say hey, we're I'm

566
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,000
trying to think of a good example of this.

567
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: I know it happens over and over again. I'll just

568
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,440
kind of give this scenario.

569
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: God has somebody do something and then God later will

570
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,400
accredit it as something he did, as in like he's God,

571
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,680
all things that happen are because he gives the allowance

572
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,440
for it to happen, you know what I mean, Like

573
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,799
he has the final say on everything, and so it's

574
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,400
like at the end of the day, he owns kind

575
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,799
of everything in creation, and so I don't think it's

576
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:55,640
a problem, you know, for for like even if Moses

577
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:59,039
changes it to yahweh later, well, it's like well yeah,

578
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:02,480
like y aahwait is the like, at the end of

579
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,240
the day, he allowed it because he is sovereign, you

580
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:08,239
know what I'm saying, So like it doesn't once again,

581
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,840
this does not combat with like traditional you know, Christian

582
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,039
thought in any way.

583
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:16,079
Speaker 2: So I love it, dude, I love it.

584
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,119
Speaker 4: Keep cooking and everything else makes sense, you know.

585
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

586
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: To your point though about Adam being brought up as

587
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,679
like you know, and he slept with his wife and

588
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:30,840
then she bore a child. I had to google this

589
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,199
because the word's too crazy. But it is possible for

590
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,840
a woman to become impregnated by two men at the

591
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,280
same time and to have two children inside of her

592
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:45,239
by two different fathers. And they call it hetero paternal superfecundation.

593
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:47,679
And I hope it don't get flagged on that word

594
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,559
because that's wild. But like, uh but uh yeah, So

595
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:54,920
I mean, like that's a scientific term, that's that's a

596
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,239
legitimate thing that can happen. So I guess my question

597
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,760
for you would be, does buy this view that you're proposing.

598
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,639
Does that make keenaenephelum.

599
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:13,159
Speaker 4: By textbook definition? Yes? And that's what I say too,

600
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:19,760
is with this paradigm, now you have so many ambiguous

601
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,599
things solved. It's like, what was the point in having

602
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,360
the genealogies traced if there wasn't a bad line. That's

603
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,199
the whole reason that they tracked the bloodline was to

604
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,920
show and prove that Jesus Christ, the Messiah come from

605
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:42,000
a pure bloodline. He wasn't of the Nephilim stock. And

606
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,519
so therefore, what was the point in keeping up with

607
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:47,599
all those genealogies and separating the two branches of the

608
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:51,360
tree if they were one and the same. There wasn't

609
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,280
an insertion in that garden. To me, that that makes

610
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:01,480
a lot more sense. And it's the whole spiritual battle

611
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:03,559
for the dominion of earth. That's the whole reason the

612
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:05,840
flood came right because Noah was the only one that

613
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,400
was to mim in the Hebrew, which every time that

614
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:11,519
word is used, it's talking about the purity of the

615
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:14,719
blood of the sacrificial animals in the Old Testament. So

616
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,760
Noah was the only one to mim and right, you

617
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,519
know in English is righteous. He was the only one

618
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:27,000
to mim in his what generations, his genealogies. So that's

619
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,880
something I've always struggled with. It's like a lot of

620
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,280
people in our space are all about Genesis six, all

621
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,719
about the angels coming down and breeding with the daughters

622
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,199
of men. But when you say it happened in the garden,

623
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,079
their heads explode and then they're like and then I

624
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:45,239
also hear this awful often. Uh, what's the word I'm

625
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,760
looking for? Like gas lighting? Of Well, he imprisoned the

626
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:54,480
Genesis six angels, so uh, why did you do it

627
00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:58,599
to Satan in the garden. So therefore, even though all

628
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:00,960
this stuff you're showing me the text sounds right and

629
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,519
lines up, But since he imprisoned the ones from Genesis

630
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:07,000
six and not Satan and that therefore it didn't happen.

631
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:10,599
And I'm like, okay, so you're saying the credit the

632
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,079
universe is not allowed to rule and how he sees

633
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:17,199
fit and change his mind or you know, this was

634
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:21,480
the very starting of the whole thing, and God knows

635
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,840
the ending, you know, the ending from the beginning, and

636
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,239
he allowed this to go on, I think for a

637
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,719
bigger play into the end times.

638
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:39,119
Speaker 3: So interestingly enough, you bringing that up. I just heard

639
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,840
have you have you read the Golden Bough?

640
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 4: Hmm?

641
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:45,159
Speaker 2: Do you know what it is?

642
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 4: Is it something Greek? Uh?

643
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: He gets into the Greek.

644
00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: It's a it's a secular comparative history of religious and

645
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:58,599
religions and myths across cultures. And it's like a twelve

646
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,199
that dude, Yeah, I mean like there's an annotated version.

647
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,639
It's like, you know, yea thick but there's like a

648
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,960
twelve volume version that's the completion of it. And apparently

649
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:12,440
who directed The Shining Kubrick. Kubrick was obsessed with this thing.

650
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,480
But one of the very first things that talks about

651
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:19,920
is like the fool King, And it's this idea across

652
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,760
many cultures where like the Big Woman's, like the Babylonian version,

653
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,039
where you've.

654
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,559
Speaker 2: Got this.

655
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: King that they do a ritual where for seven days

656
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,760
they're king rules and he lives as the king, but

657
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,360
then at the end of the week they kill him

658
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:42,159
by scourging and strangulation, and then he goes after Mardik. Yeah,

659
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,760
but they didn't want to use their actual king, so

660
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,360
they would elect a fool or a criminal in his place,

661
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,639
who would live in place of the king, sleep with

662
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:54,239
his wives, eat his food, sleep in his bed, live

663
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,639
in the kingdom for seven days, and then at the

664
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,719
end of that seven days he would die in place

665
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,480
of the actual king, so they don't have to kill

666
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:03,199
their king. But then he gets to go rule. And

667
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,519
I read that man and I went, oh, that's Satan.

668
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,880
He's the criminal that's getting to reign for a week,

669
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:13,480
and at the end of that week, he's gonna be

670
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:16,519
scourged and destroyed, you know what I'm saying. And like that,

671
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:20,039
that just that made sense to me. Like, you know,

672
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:23,559
on a cultural level, we understand that concept apparently because

673
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:27,320
it's across many cultures. That feels like that points to

674
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,719
a greater truth, which is we've got a criminal reigning

675
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,719
as king right now and he's not the real king.

676
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,079
The real king's coming back and he's gonna kill you

677
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:35,199
in seven days, you know.

678
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,679
Speaker 2: Like I thought that was pretty cool. Oh yeah.

679
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 4: And then like when you go into the comparative mythology too,

680
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:46,719
there's so many stories that points to a set of

681
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,360
twins and one being divine and the other regular human.

682
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:56,199
Like you said, when you have so many stories that

683
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,400
sound the same over and over again throughout cultures, throughout time,

684
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,199
there something to that. It means it stems from a

685
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,880
more ancient source. And I don't care. I mean, if

686
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:11,480
there is an echo, that means someone first had to scream.

687
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,960
So Hercules. Everybody remembers Hercules, but they forget about his

688
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:20,599
twin brother, that was just a normal human Perseus. All

689
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:24,800
these guys man, ninety percent of them all had twins

690
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,760
Romulus and Remus, Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau. And

691
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:36,360
there's one divine and one regular every time. Because I

692
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,800
think it's telling an overall story.

693
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:43,039
Speaker 3: Well, and even talk about well, sorry, even the story

694
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:46,880
of the prodigal son, Like everybody recognizes that what's happening

695
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,719
there is that story serving as a symbol for a

696
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,440
greater truth. And I think one is what you would

697
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,280
talk about with the older angelic brother and the younger

698
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,039
human brother. I think that's very clear. I think the

699
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,199
second one is it's the jew who has been placed

700
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:05,840
on a pedestal as God's like chosen people at the time,

701
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,960
and the younger brother being the gentile who is to

702
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,000
come along and be adopted back into the family line.

703
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:15,119
And so like God uses these stories to unfold multiple ways.

704
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,400
But I do think you're right in this pointing back

705
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,679
to the spiritual truth of like God has too haves

706
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,639
to his family. He's got two types of sons, He's

707
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:26,960
got the elder spiritual the younger physical.

708
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: You know.

709
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what I was gonna say. Yeah, all

710
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,840
the microcosms and microcosms of the story of the family

711
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,760
of God, the elder brother. According to the Book of Job,

712
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,559
you know, where were you when I hung the stars

713
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:41,360
in the morning the sons of God, the morning stars

714
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,559
saying for joy at the side of creation. So that

715
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:45,920
shows you they were there, they witnessed creation. They were

716
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,840
here before us. And we're the younger brother. And just

717
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,000
like all those parables parallel the prodigal Son and so

718
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,320
on and so forth, God always chooses the younger brother.

719
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:59,079
That's us, that's humanity. And just like in the Prodigal Son,

720
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:02,199
the older brother was that's the angelic race. And those

721
00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:06,239
are the ones that chose to rebel. And it's a

722
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,000
seed war. It's over the dominion of this earth and now,

723
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:13,280
because when Satan tempted Jesus, he said, you know, bow,

724
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,119
I'll give you all the kingdoms of this earth, because

725
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,119
they're mine to give to whom I please. So he

726
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:21,079
didn't refute him. And Jesus even says that he is

727
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:24,159
the ruler of this world. Because it's the battle of

728
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:28,480
the birth right. These two sons of God are competing

729
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:32,599
for control over Earth, and one decided to inter breed

730
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:35,599
into it and assert his dna, to have his family

731
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,360
infiltrate the home and the kingdom and try to usurp

732
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,639
the kingdom and take it away. So that's what we

733
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,920
got here. We got a battle of the birth right.

734
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,920
It's the seed war, and Jesus even talks about it

735
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,480
in these parables. I believe, like you said, there's multiple layers.

736
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,880
But like you had mentioned earlier, if you've got one thing,

737
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,119
maybe that's a coincidence. So if you got two, maybe

738
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:01,119
a coincident. It's a third one, it's it still could

739
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,639
be a coincidence. No, man, if you keep seeing it

740
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:05,639
over and over and over again, it's because it's there's

741
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,039
something to that. The sowing of the wheat and tears.

742
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:14,039
Jesus said, you know there was a farm and that

743
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:17,199
the landowner has sown good seed. But then when his

744
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,079
angels went to check on it, they said, oh, I

745
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,880
thought you's sown good seed. Father, behold there's tears growing

746
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,719
amongst the wheat. And what does he say? He said,

747
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:31,320
the devil has done this in my absence. He has

748
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,559
sown his seed it's the seed war. So that that's

749
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:40,639
what's going on there. And people want to say, oh, well,

750
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:45,320
how come everything's so cryptic? You know, how come God

751
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,079
just doesn't come right and tell you, because it says

752
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:53,960
and plainly in the text that it is the glory

753
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,920
of God to conceal a thing, But it is the

754
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,960
glory of kings to search things out. Jesus taughting parable

755
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:02,400
for those with thighs to see, in ears to hear.

756
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,599
He's not going to spell it out for you. It's

757
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:08,639
there for those who dig, who ask and seek. But yeah,

758
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,360
and so with all that serpent seed stuff kind of

759
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,519
laid out there, you know, imagine there wasn't a Bible

760
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,480
back then. All you had was either oral stories and

761
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:22,239
traditions or scrolls if they happen to be written down.

762
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,760
So you have what happens in the garden. You know,

763
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,679
she partakes of this tree, covers their private parts, puts

764
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,360
a curse. You know, I will put enmity between her

765
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,480
seed and thy seed, and one will bruise one's head,

766
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,239
the other will bruise the other's heel. So there is

767
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,719
no books, there is no chapters. It's either a story

768
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,280
being told or read aloud from a scroll, so there's

769
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,800
no chapters. So imagine the ancient reader or hearer of

770
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,199
this story just heard what happened in the garden, right,

771
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,960
And if they're listening to the story, just a few

772
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,719
moments later they get told this part the story. It's

773
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,760
the birth of Jacob Andissau. So imagine, you know, there's

774
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,599
no subtitles or any of that stuff. It's all flowing together.

775
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:11,159
And they just heard about this curse in the garden.

776
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:15,920
And here Rebecca is in great travail, and the Angel

777
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:20,480
of the Lord came and told Rebecca what he said.

778
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:29,039
There's two nations, two people's or dag on it. That's

779
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:32,000
gonna be my mission today. I'm going to find out

780
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:35,840
how to turn that freaking thing off at so funny.

781
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:40,960
So he said, you know, there's two nations, two peoples

782
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,440
in your womb. And then he says one shall be

783
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:51,280
stronger than the other. He says, but the younger will

784
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:56,440
rule over the older. Okay, So now imagine the ancient

785
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,480
reader just heard about this curse in the garden that

786
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:05,920
there'd be you know, enmity between her seed and thy seed.

787
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:08,880
This angel shows up, Oh, there's two people's, two nations

788
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,480
in your women, they battle amongst each other. There's enmity

789
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:13,719
between the two. They're like, oh man, we just heard

790
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,320
about this. And then it goes on to describe the birth,

791
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:21,480
and then it says the first one came out red,

792
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,039
covered in hair from head to toe like a hairy cloak.

793
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:31,199
So Esau being born first, his foot has to press

794
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,239
on his twin brother's head to exit the wound, bruising

795
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:34,719
the head.

796
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: But then it gives you.

797
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 4: This extra little detail, it says, and Jacob is clutching

798
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,119
the heel of Esau. You're not going to get a

799
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:49,079
more polaroid picture of Genesis three point fifteen, especially to

800
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:53,679
the ancient reader. They're gonna be like, holy crap, this

801
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,679
is the prophecy that God told us about in the garden.

802
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: Gotcha again, it's after you today.

803
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,559
Speaker 4: Man, I'm telling you, there is so much spiritual warfare

804
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:06,599
attached to this subject.

805
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: It's so real.

806
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 4: And you underteo why some people get so tore up

807
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,440
and get fighting mad talking about this subject because the

808
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,960
spirit gets a hold of them.

809
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:20,679
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, Well it's it's the spirit of

810
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,719
complacency too, right, Like we're not allowed to think, we're

811
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,480
not allowed to ask questions. We're not Like, look, dude,

812
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:28,800
could could you be wrong about all this? And let

813
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,599
me be clear, I don't think you are, but like,

814
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,639
could you be sure? And if you are, I think

815
00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:37,159
you said this on Tim's podcast. What does this affect

816
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,000
anybody's salvation? Like this is just exactly this is Parson

817
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:43,360
out the story and putting meat on the bones. This

818
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,280
is still all glory to Jesus at the end of

819
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,760
the day. All this stuff this helps us understand his

820
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:53,440
story better. How can't that be great? But one, I

821
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,719
don't know if this is where you're going, but I

822
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,519
am curious. So, like, I find it really interesting that

823
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:03,639
Jacob being the younger brother and he's going to be

824
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:06,039
the one that has the favor with God because that's

825
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:11,719
how the trope always goes. He becomes Israel and he

826
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,159
becomes the father of Israel. Who does I don't want

827
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:17,840
you to jump ahead if that's the case, but who

828
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,039
does Esau become the father of I don't know that

829
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:22,639
I'm super familiar with that, Like how he plays into

830
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:26,000
the genealogies there, and I'll be really interested to see that.

831
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think what happened was, like I said,

832
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:36,559
the devil inserted his seed into the farmer's wheat, just

833
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:40,599
like the parable Jesus told to try to usurp the

834
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:45,639
dominion of hers. Dominion and priesthood was given to Adam.

835
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:48,760
And I'll throw this out here to this little side

836
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:55,039
rabbit trail. I had mentioned earlier about these supernatural garments

837
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:57,639
from the Garden of God. It was well established in

838
00:48:57,679 --> 00:49:02,599
their old traditions and mythologies and stuff. That Adam was

839
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:07,519
that his coverings give to him in the garden, were

840
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:10,440
these supernatural garments that help you know, it was basically

841
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:15,079
the king's crown. It was the symbol of kingship and priesthood. Uh.

842
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:17,239
And I come up with this theory. And then after

843
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,760
I got to read in some of these other text

844
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,960
I seen that, you know, like Solomon said, nothing news

845
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,519
under the sun. This was already well established idea. It's

846
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,679
just been lost to time and it's only been rediscovered now.

847
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:36,599
But they I thought that his coverings was the coverings

848
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,880
of the Nakash. So when you get to Ezekiel twenty eight,

849
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:46,800
it's talking about Satan there and it says every precious

850
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,800
stone was your covering. Barrel onyx Topaz Jasper onyx. It

851
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,440
names all the stones, uh, the septuagen list twelve stones,

852
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,800
with a masoretic list nine stones. Really yeah, so in

853
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,039
go old settings was your inlays and they were perfect

854
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:04,920
in the day that they were created, and all this stuff.

855
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,599
It's describing the priestly ephot, So it's painting Satan in

856
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:12,519
a priestly role. But then a verse or two down

857
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:16,360
to remove all doubt, it paints him wearing this priestly

858
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:23,599
ephot and then it says you profaned your sanctuaries and

859
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:25,800
then you were cast from the mountain of God as

860
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:26,920
a profane thing.

861
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,039
Speaker 2: You're talking, he's right now.

862
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:35,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that when Satan, I think Satan was basically

863
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:39,039
the king and priest of creation, and then at his

864
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:44,880
downfall he was demoted, his priestly garments taken from him

865
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,679
and given to Adam and dominion that's where dominion was

866
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,440
given back to Adam to or given to mankind. And

867
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,039
he was the first king and priest over all creation.

868
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:57,639
And that's the birth right, that's part of the birthright.

869
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,880
That's the crown that gets passed through the bloodline, and

870
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,360
it says it went all the way through the bloodline

871
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:10,000
from Adam to Enoch, to Matthuselah to Noah, that Noah

872
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:12,679
had them going over the flood, and that it was

873
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,000
in Ham's going out that Ham stole the garments, stole

874
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:20,880
the birthright, and it was later given to Nimrod. And

875
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,639
I got to mention at the beginning of the show.

876
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,519
I'd read in Jasher that the two mighty hunters, Nimrod

877
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:31,119
and Esau battled to the death and that he stole

878
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,800
the supernatural garments from the Garden of God from Nimrod

879
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,599
and took them. So these were once Satan's garments. It

880
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,320
was his crown basically, So I think when he's you

881
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,079
know that seed was sown in Rebecca, he knew the

882
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:51,039
first born was the one that got the birth right,

883
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,800
so he wanted to make sure his seed come out first.

884
00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:58,280
But the Angel the Lord got ahead of the game

885
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,239
and told Rebecca, hey, I know it's normally customary that

886
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,920
the eldest rules and gets the birthright, but in this case,

887
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:07,639
it's going to be the younger. Because I think he

888
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,400
knew what the devil was up to, and I point

889
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,480
out in the book he comes out looking just like

890
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:20,440
a fertility god. These fertility gods were wild men. They

891
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,119
were covered in hair from head to toe. And that

892
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:28,639
story of Gilgamesh and inky Do, right, what happens there?

893
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:31,599
You have these two mighty hunters. They battle it out,

894
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,280
but Kylgamesh winds. They become his friends and they go

895
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,159
on all these you know, adventures together. But it says

896
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:41,559
that when inky Do was made, he got his name

897
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:45,000
because he was the one, the one whom Inky made.

898
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:51,400
Inky is Samuel Samael is Satan, and it says that

899
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,280
he was made in the image of sam Quain. Sam

900
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,199
Quain was a fertility god in Mesopotamian Samaria, and he

901
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,199
was a wild man. He was covered in hair from

902
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:06,039
head to toe. So I think that the Epica Gilgamesh

903
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:08,159
is the same story that's told in the Book of

904
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,800
jash Or. It's just told from the Babylonian point of

905
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,000
view and their guy wins.

906
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,519
Speaker 3: Can I give you another one that I think falls

907
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:18,920
into this. Yeah, Are you familiar with the story of

908
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:29,199
Rex Simaramas or the Rex king Nimoramus Nimoramus, I'm sorry, have.

909
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: You ever heard of that?

910
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 3: The divine trinity word simararis uh Nimoramus. I'm sorry, I

911
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:42,599
got that because it's uh. It gets it gets abbreviated

912
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:50,119
as the Priest of Nemi, and it's basically this story

913
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,599
where the goddess I believe it's Diana has a priest

914
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,440
who is the King of the Wood. And so that's

915
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,119
what it is, that the rex king of the Wood,

916
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:06,400
and he is placed in charge over the wood as

917
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:09,599
her high priest and king over the Wood. And the

918
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:13,119
only way you can become her high priest or King

919
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:16,119
of the Wood is you have to be a runaway slave.

920
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:19,280
You have to be a slave that's gone from their

921
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,480
master or whatever, and then you have to go into

922
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:25,800
the wood and you have to find a golden bough

923
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:27,719
off of a tree, which is what this book The

924
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,840
Golden Bough is centered around.

925
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: Is this story. You break that bow off the true in.

926
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 4: The Argonauts with the golden sheep.

927
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: Skin a little bit, but then you have to kill

928
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,599
the previous Priest of Nimi, and so it's highlander like,

929
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:48,400
there're gonna only be one kind of thing, right, So

930
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:50,719
it dude, it's crazy you're bringing this up. And like

931
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,719
I do apologize for like not having read your book.

932
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,840
I literally just bought it this week, but so much

933
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,320
of what you're saying is crossing over what's so much

934
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,559
of what I've been studying lately. You talking about this

935
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:08,280
idea of Satan being a priest in the garden. Ezekiel

936
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,000
twenty eight literally says you were an anointed guardian Cherub

937
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:18,360
in that garden. What's he guarding the garden? He's he's

938
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,519
he's a priest. This is a priestly role. He's got

939
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:26,800
instruments built into his body. The Levites were the musician

940
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,960
class because that was part of temple worship, was playing music.

941
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:35,840
He's literally got musical instruments like on his person. Like

942
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,440
I don't know if that's built in or just part

943
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,000
of what he could do, but like he's described as

944
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,400
a musician with his timbers and his pipes and all that.

945
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:47,559
Speaker 2: And then you get to the to the jewels as well.

946
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 3: You saying there's twelve in the septuo agent blows my mind, dude,

947
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:52,760
because I've been trying to wrap my head around that.

948
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,800
I'm like, why are there only nine? Because these are

949
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,039
the high priests jewels, Like, why are there nine? So

950
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:01,119
there's twelve in the sept two agent. That's crazy because

951
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:03,039
here's how I've been looking at it, and I'm curious

952
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:06,320
to hear your thoughts. You're saying that it was given

953
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,920
to Adam, that those garments were given to Adam. I'm

954
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,480
totally open to that, But I think Adam was commissioned

955
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,199
as a priest before that, because God gives Adam the

956
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:21,960
role of subduing, and so that's an oversight role, right,

957
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:25,880
It's like a kingly priestly command to like watch after.

958
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:31,199
That's what priests do they watch after. I kind of

959
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,239
look at it as it feels to me what happened

960
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:40,719
when Adam and Eve's sin was Adam humanity gives over

961
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:46,559
his priestly duty to the Nahash, and he becomes the

962
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:50,960
god over this world at that point because we gave

963
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:55,840
up our duty, like we sacrificed our birthright, right. I mean,

964
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,480
I'm sure you're going there with Esau.

965
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,599
Speaker 2: But I see Christ as then.

966
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:07,199
Speaker 3: Being the completion of the initial commissioning to humanity that

967
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,760
Jesus comes and he picks up the mantle, and he's

968
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,559
the first one to actually pick it up properly, because

969
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:15,519
up until that point it was just a shadow of

970
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:17,559
what we were supposed to be. You think that's a

971
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:18,599
fair approach.

972
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And see, I think that the way I look

973
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:26,360
at it is like, I kind of hold to the

974
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:31,119
six day man theory. Also when I read through Genesis,

975
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,199
you know, it says on the sixth day the eloheim said,

976
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:38,960
let us make man in our image, and it says

977
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:45,159
male and female he created them, right, and then after

978
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:51,159
that fact we get the telling of the creation of Adam. Right.

979
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:54,119
So I've always been told that, oh, that that's just

980
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:57,800
the retelling the same story but with more detail. Well

981
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,719
there's a problem with that when you go when you

982
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,920
actually read the texts, you don't even have to rely

983
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,039
on it being chronological because it tells you the time

984
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:13,639
he's gotta be paying attention. It says that he pinched

985
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:16,239
the clay from the ground formed Adam. He was a

986
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,920
lifeless being until the breath of God was given to him.

987
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,320
But it says all this that the man was created

988
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:31,039
before there was any vegetation on the ground. The texts

989
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:35,320
say that, well, we know vegetation was laid out on

990
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:43,639
day three, So Adam was before the creation of mankind

991
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:47,840
that was created male and female together. I think that

992
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:53,159
race of people was the first populace of earth, and

993
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:57,400
that the Nahsh was king and priest over those people.

994
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,320
And then because as it says, you know, let us

995
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,159
make man in our image. I think Adam was part

996
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:06,760
of that us An hour. He was a part of

997
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,719
the divine counsel and helped oversee creation, helped name the animals.

998
00:59:11,719 --> 00:59:14,559
It even says, and he's part of that us An

999
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:18,519
hour that the day sixth man was made in. But

1000
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:22,480
then the fall happens, and then that position was taken

1001
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,400
from Satan and then given to Adam. He was now

1002
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,360
the king and priest over the people of earth and

1003
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,159
got put into the general population with those other people,

1004
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:37,440
is what I believe. And then later we traded that

1005
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:42,039
birthright inheritance, because Paul says, we traded the truth for

1006
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:47,639
a lie. We worshiped the created things instead of the creator,

1007
00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:51,480
and that we at some point in time we traded

1008
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:57,760
that back to the Nahash. But with Esau, I said

1009
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,280
all that to kind of build up for the whole

1010
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,679
serpencyed with Esau. You know he's of that line. They're

1011
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:07,440
trying to get this birthright, this priesthood dominion back, So

1012
01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:10,360
of course Satan would want his seed to come out

1013
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,719
first and get the birth right. Well, that crazy story

1014
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:19,239
in Genesis, to me, it never made sense. You trade

1015
01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:23,280
your birthright for a bowl of stew. That makes no sense.

1016
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,079
No one would ever do that modern context. To me,

1017
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,519
your father is Donald Trump, You're the eldest son. The

1018
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:33,119
billions of dollars is all going to be yours, the

1019
01:00:33,199 --> 01:00:35,840
family business, everything is going to be signed over to you,

1020
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,400
your next in line. And you've been out doing real

1021
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:41,639
estate deals with your dad all day and you come

1022
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:44,400
home and your little brother's sitting on the couch eating

1023
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,440
no Vaga doritos and you're like, hey, man, I'm starving.

1024
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:51,000
Let me have some of those doritos. He's like, yeah, sure,

1025
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:53,559
just sign over the company and everything you're going to

1026
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:57,800
inherit And then he responds with, ah, what use is

1027
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,559
the company and all that money to me when I'm dead?

1028
01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:05,239
Just take it. Nobody would do that. And furthermore, he

1029
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:09,320
was the mighty hunter. He was not starving. If he

1030
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,679
was hungry, he had went and killed a lion and

1031
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,159
had a lyon's steak for supper. This man was not starving.

1032
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,840
And while did he make a comment about him dying,

1033
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,199
Something's missing. And I found that in the Book of Jashure,

1034
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,000
because it says that Nimrod built up jealousy and envy

1035
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,800
and hatred against Esau all of his days. Like the Highlander,

1036
01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:34,360
there can only be one. Both of them were claiming

1037
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,840
to be the mighty hunter, so they wanted to see

1038
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,360
who the real mighty man was, and it says that

1039
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,119
he Nimrod assembles a hunting party to hunt this beast

1040
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:47,239
of a man, this sasquatch sounding god, to hunt him

1041
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:52,960
down like a beast. It's basically like Guesston going after

1042
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:55,079
the beast and beauty, and the beast try to kill

1043
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:58,119
him to show how mighty and strong he was. But

1044
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:01,719
it says Esau season hides his off at the opportune moment,

1045
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,239
jumps out, chops off Neimrod's head, and battles two of

1046
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,039
his gibble reim which is the same word you used

1047
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:11,440
to describe the Nephelum giants to the death and kill

1048
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:14,360
them all. But the army that was close by I

1049
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,880
heard the screams and come running. But it said that

1050
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,199
Esau takes the time to steal Nimrod's garments, to which

1051
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:25,480
he was able to prevail over all the nations. So

1052
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:30,320
it attributes his strength and prowess of his reign to

1053
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,199
these garments. I think this is the Ezekiel twenty eight garments,

1054
01:02:34,239 --> 01:02:37,920
the garments from the Garden of God, the birthright, and

1055
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,639
in that story it says he takes the time to

1056
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,679
go to his tent and hide those garments before going

1057
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:47,239
into his brother's tent. So now if we go back

1058
01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:50,920
to Genesis, it just says that Esau comes in from

1059
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:56,119
the field exhausted. Yeah, he was exhausted, all right. He

1060
01:02:56,239 --> 01:02:59,360
just battled King Neimrod and two of his gibble reim

1061
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:03,480
to the day death, probably sustained some life threatening injuries.

1062
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,360
He just killed the king. So now he's a fugitive

1063
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:12,440
on the run, bleeding out, and he's desperate. So he

1064
01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:15,280
goes into his brother's tint, and I think the red

1065
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,599
stew is basically just for Allegory to give me life

1066
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:24,119
saving care, sustain me, hide me, sew me up, you know,

1067
01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:27,360
because he's desperate. He was panicing, and Jacob said, yeah, sure,

1068
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,719
I'll help you, but you're going to sign over the birthright.

1069
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,440
And that's why he said, what uses a birthright to

1070
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:37,119
me when I'm dead? Take it? And then we see

1071
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:40,960
those garments again with the deception of Jacob and Rebecca,

1072
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:43,400
because you remember she goes they get the goat that

1073
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:45,119
kill the goat and they wrap him in it like

1074
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:49,039
a blanket and his But before she sends him in.

1075
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:54,639
In Genesis, it says she goes into esauce tent and

1076
01:03:54,719 --> 01:04:01,639
takes his special garments, the same garments that the Book

1077
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:04,079
of Jasher says he stole from Nimrod and hid in

1078
01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:10,480
his tent before trading his birth right. I don't put

1079
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:11,320
him on Jacob.

1080
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've pointed this one out too,

1081
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:18,280
But what are your thoughts on him coming in from

1082
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:18,760
the field.

1083
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:23,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, see, I think the coming in from the field

1084
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:25,480
was just picking up from the Book of Jasher. He

1085
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,119
had just fought King Nimrod, right, those two giants and

1086
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:32,679
came in from the field, right, you know, exhausted.

1087
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 3: I'll give a second piece of that. The serpent that

1088
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,480
comes into the garden to Tim Tadam and Eve comes

1089
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,719
in from the field outside of the garden. The other

1090
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,679
one is And the reason I brought up Pharaoh earlier

1091
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,360
is when Pharaoh oppresses Israel, he puts them to work

1092
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,880
out in the field. He removes them from the sanctuary

1093
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:56,559
and puts them out in the field. And when Adam

1094
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,960
and Eva removed from the garden, where does that then

1095
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,239
put them outside of the garden in the field where

1096
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,079
where this where the serpent is from. Right, you see

1097
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:07,800
what I'm saying, Like, I just see that through line

1098
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,639
of that that field wilderness concept of me. That's where

1099
01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:13,760
the serpent comes in from. That's where Esau comes in from.

1100
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,480
That's where Pharaoh puts them out to work. That's like

1101
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,360
you see that theme over and over and over again.

1102
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,400
So that's just kind of one of those red flags.

1103
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:22,920
I see it and I'm like, oh, there it is again,

1104
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,320
you know, like, yeah, I think I think.

1105
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,199
Speaker 4: That's the mainline story. Oh yeah, dude, I think so too,

1106
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,079
And not because I'm so smart. It's just give it

1107
01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:35,440
to me, right, and it's everywhere. It flows like water

1108
01:05:35,519 --> 01:05:38,159
through the whole story. Like you had mentioned, Jesus, he

1109
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,159
was He's said to be the second Adam. He's the

1110
01:05:41,159 --> 01:05:43,880
one that got it right where Adam went wrong. Right,

1111
01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:49,639
So he steals the garments from Nimrod, his mother, Rebecca,

1112
01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:53,039
steals them from Esau, puts them on Jacob, and he

1113
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:55,400
goes in to deceive and get the birth right and

1114
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,679
blessing from his father. Then later, so now that places

1115
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,119
the garments in the possession of Jacob, right.

1116
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:03,079
Speaker 3: Well.

1117
01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 4: Later Jacob passed twelve sons, and just like all the archetypes,

1118
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:12,159
his youngest son said he had in his old age

1119
01:06:12,199 --> 01:06:17,000
whom he loved exceedingly. What does he get, Benjamin, He

1120
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:23,280
gives him a coat of many colors? Joseph, So is

1121
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:27,719
Joseph the youngest, or is Benjamin the youngest? Joseph Joseph's

1122
01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:31,840
the youngest, said he was the child of Joseph's or

1123
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,159
Jacob's old age, Israel's old age, whom he loved exceedingly

1124
01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:39,320
and bestowed upon him the garments. And I think that's

1125
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,519
what those is, because you know barrel onyx Topaz jasper,

1126
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:45,920
this is many colors, that that piece of garment would

1127
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,920
be many colored, and.

1128
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,559
Speaker 3: Real quick, he's real quick. Benjamin is the youngest, He's

1129
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:55,960
the youngest. Joseph is the second. He is the other

1130
01:06:56,119 --> 01:07:00,360
child born to Rebecca. So Benjamin and Joseph, if are

1131
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:05,760
both the they're the only full brothers of that okage. So,

1132
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,400
but same thing, I mean, it's from that they're they're

1133
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,119
the two youngest. I mean it's the same idea.

1134
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,599
Speaker 4: Well I read it. I just thought it was insinuating

1135
01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:15,320
he was the youngest, because where it took the time

1136
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,800
to say, Jacob, you know, was he was a child

1137
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,800
of his old age, you know, whom he loved, exceeding

1138
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,679
like he was an accident, like he happened last or something.

1139
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,239
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, well it is still the older brothers. I

1140
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,960
mean it's you know, the older brothers are the one

1141
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,119
that put him into slavery. It's the same motif, it's

1142
01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:33,239
the same idea. Yeah, but then ben Can gets those garms.

1143
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,360
Benjamin's the other one that gets looked down on later

1144
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,679
because he's the one that's used as collateral. So like

1145
01:07:40,199 --> 01:07:42,480
both of the youngest brothers get put in the worst

1146
01:07:42,519 --> 01:07:43,599
position in the story.

1147
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,119
Speaker 4: So m m. But but once he puts those garments on,

1148
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:49,719
all kinds of supernatural stuff starts happening. That's when he

1149
01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:52,599
starts having those prophetic dreams and he says, you know,

1150
01:07:52,639 --> 01:07:55,440
my brothers, I you know, had a vision that the

1151
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,760
wheat of the field bowed before me. Well, with the

1152
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,039
parable of the wheat and tears, the wheat was the

1153
01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:05,519
good line, the tears were the bad line. So the

1154
01:08:05,519 --> 01:08:09,199
good line is symbolically bowing to him because he's now

1155
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:13,280
the wire of the garments. He has the crown. So

1156
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,640
creation is bowing to him. He said, even the stars

1157
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:22,000
of Heaven bow before me, brothers, and you will bow

1158
01:08:22,119 --> 01:08:25,399
before me and serve me. And we know the stars

1159
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:28,319
of heaven was the angelic host. So all of creation's

1160
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:30,239
bound to him because he has the crown, he has

1161
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:33,000
the garments from the Garden of God, I believe. And

1162
01:08:33,039 --> 01:08:35,720
that's when they're like, oh, hell no, this dude's got

1163
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:42,279
to go, and the trail might go dead by naming

1164
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:44,399
it outright. But I think there's plenty of hints that

1165
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:48,840
we see throughout the Bible tracing those garments, because Elijah

1166
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,399
and Elijah, when the one's taken up in the whirlwind,

1167
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:57,840
what's left behind? It says his mantle. So then what happens.

1168
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:00,680
Elijah takes it and he slaps it onto the Jordan

1169
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,920
River and it parts and he gets to cross on

1170
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,479
dry land. I think that those are the garments. And

1171
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,079
then the Book of Revelation the tide ind like you

1172
01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:14,000
were saying, Jesus is the second atom. He comes forward

1173
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:19,680
and succeeds where the first Adam failed. So when he returns,

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01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:25,439
it says that he's this conquering king that returns. And furthermore,

1175
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,279
the Jewish people they believed in two messiahs. They believed

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01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:34,960
in the Messiah being Joseph Joseph and then the suffering

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01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:39,920
servant Messiah. So when Jesus returns into Book of Revelation,

1178
01:09:40,039 --> 01:09:42,680
he's this conquering king and it talks about this beautiful

1179
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,520
garment he has on, and it talks about how you know,

1180
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,800
how how ornated is and all this stuff that says

1181
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,000
and on the thigh says lord of the king of

1182
01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:53,720
kings and Lord of lords, and that the blood stained

1183
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,920
was up to the bridle. And you remember when they

1184
01:09:57,039 --> 01:10:02,760
took Joseph, they real his coat of many colors and

1185
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,840
dipped it in blood and giving back to their father

1186
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,600
and said, this is all it's left to your son.

1187
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,199
So I think the Jewish people they are so stiff

1188
01:10:11,319 --> 01:10:15,439
nicked and rejecting them Siah, but they accepted Joseph as one.

1189
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,680
That's what the imagery is pointing to. There. God's telling

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01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,279
his stiff necked people, you know how you believe in

1191
01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:24,880
this Josiah Ben Joseph who had the coat of many

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01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,600
colors stained in blood. Well, here I am, and I

1193
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:31,720
think it's describing him wearing those garments, but the blood

1194
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,920
stained on it signaling calling back to Joseph, and it's

1195
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,720
showing that yes, he is the second atom, he is

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01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,279
the king and priest of creation, and he's going to

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01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:45,199
succeed where the other failed.

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Speaker 2: Very interesting.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to ask what are your thoughts on, like,

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01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,039
do you believe that Jasher is scripture or do you

1201
01:10:59,079 --> 01:11:00,960
look at it as an extra for biblical text with

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01:11:01,079 --> 01:11:05,840
historical and like literal value.

1203
01:11:06,119 --> 01:11:11,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, see me, I'm the type of person that

1204
01:11:11,279 --> 01:11:16,560
I look at the Bible and I realized that in

1205
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,960
its original you know, writing, it was just a bunch

1206
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,399
of separate scrolls that a bunch of men gathered together

1207
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,960
and decided what was going to go in it. So

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01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:32,800
do I think that these scrolls were in circulation? I do,

1209
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:38,199
because you have the mention of Jashuer twice in the

1210
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:41,760
Old Testament when it's talking about when the sun stood

1211
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,680
still so they could battle the Amalekites, it says, is

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this not recorded in the book of Yashar talking about Jasher?

1213
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,880
And some people will throw up like carbon dating and

1214
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,800
stuff with some of the oldest books of Jashure that

1215
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,720
we got and say, oh, well, it was written around

1216
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,640
medieval times, so therefore it's a fake and I'm like,

1217
01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:06,840
by your logic, we should just throw away not even

1218
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,119
read the Bible, because a lot of the things written

1219
01:12:09,119 --> 01:12:11,880
in the Bible was written thousands written down thousands of

1220
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,760
years later looking back. So you're saying, oh, this text

1221
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,760
dates to this time. So if it wasn't written around

1222
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,960
the time, so therefore it you know, it's bogus. That

1223
01:12:22,039 --> 01:12:24,520
doesn't prove anything. In my opinion, that just proves that's

1224
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:30,760
the oldest copy that you found. Sure so, could there

1225
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,439
be an older copy out there somewhere that these were

1226
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,800
copied from, or in the very least, they were well

1227
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,560
established oral traditions that were later written down. But we

1228
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,399
know from the stamping of the Old Testament that they

1229
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:50,560
had a book of jashure. Sure so I tell people

1230
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,199
I know how to eat chicken. I'm not afraid to

1231
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:56,279
get outside the fence because I'm prayed up and I

1232
01:12:56,359 --> 01:12:59,760
study and seek the truth. But I know how to

1233
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,920
eat chicken. So I could eat the meat and throw

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01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,720
the bone over my shoulder and keep going.

1235
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Speaker 2: That's right.

1236
01:13:05,399 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be cut up in pretty little

1237
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,800
cubes and approved by my pastor for me to even

1238
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:11,239
put it in my mouth. I know how to eat

1239
01:13:11,319 --> 01:13:14,680
chicken man, that's what I do. So when I read Jasher, Yeah,

1240
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,000
there's some stuff in there that just don't sound right

1241
01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:19,359
to me. So I just throw that over my shoulder

1242
01:13:19,399 --> 01:13:21,000
like a bone and keep going. But then I find

1243
01:13:21,039 --> 01:13:23,159
a lot of stuff that makes a lot of sense,

1244
01:13:23,399 --> 01:13:28,279
and it ties directly into Jasher or into Genesis and

1245
01:13:28,319 --> 01:13:31,079
these other stories. And they, you know, I mean, like water,

1246
01:13:31,159 --> 01:13:32,960
they flow in and out and they fill in all

1247
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,479
the gaps perfectly. So those I'll take to me, that's

1248
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:36,199
a piece of meat.

1249
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:40,319
Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of like the modern example I give

1250
01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:43,840
people is, you know, like Christian Lands pretty familiar.

1251
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:44,560
Speaker 2: With like C. S. Lewis.

1252
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of books out there, and he's

1253
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:48,439
got some really great stuff written in there, and he's

1254
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,840
got some really stupid stuff written in there. And I

1255
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,840
can look at them and say, can I find truth

1256
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,159
in the writings of C. S.

1257
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:57,399
Speaker 2: Lewis? Yeah? Sure? Can I find junk in the writings

1258
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,640
of CSS? Yeah? Sure? Is he scripture?

1259
01:14:00,399 --> 01:14:00,560
Speaker 4: No?

1260
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,079
Speaker 2: But can it be true? Yeah?

1261
01:14:03,119 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 3: Like it can be little t true, Like you know,

1262
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,319
like we read history books, we read you know, we

1263
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,039
So I just for anybody listening to this that here's

1264
01:14:10,079 --> 01:14:13,520
Jasher and they're like, oh, he said, a non biblical

1265
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,319
buy or a book, you know, like whatever, like read it,

1266
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,000
weigh it against scripture. If it doesn't jive, throw that

1267
01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:25,119
part away. If something makes sense, it might fit because

1268
01:14:25,119 --> 01:14:27,560
these are people trying to make sense of their past.

1269
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,960
I mean, at the very least, if it's a Second

1270
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,399
Temple writing book, which you know, we have reason to believe,

1271
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:37,199
like First Enoch is a Second Temple writing book, that's

1272
01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:40,000
still Jews who are way closer to that time than

1273
01:14:40,039 --> 01:14:43,239
we are now, who have a cultural context, in a

1274
01:14:43,399 --> 01:14:46,680
historical context, trying to parse out what they've heard through

1275
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:52,159
their traditions, which is helpful for us understanding certain Biblical concepts.

1276
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,760
So it's like you got to read all this stuff

1277
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,039
as it was written to be read, you.

1278
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 4: Know, like yes, one hundred percent. Bro. I use this

1279
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:06,720
as an analogy. I tell people, imagine, you know, some

1280
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,800
kind of great cataclysm happens and berries America under you know,

1281
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:16,880
hundreds of feet of soil, destroys our civilization. But then

1282
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,920
a thousand years later, some archaeologists come over and they

1283
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,359
start digging, and let's say they find this huge book

1284
01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:26,439
that's the size of a Bible or better and it's

1285
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:30,600
called the Histories of America, and they start reading through

1286
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,560
that and they're finding all kinds of stuff about our history,

1287
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,239
how we lived, and what we believed, all this kind

1288
01:15:36,279 --> 01:15:39,920
of stuff. But then as they're digging around, they find,

1289
01:15:40,079 --> 01:15:43,319
you know, a sports illustrated magazine, or they find a

1290
01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:48,680
Cosmopolitan or Hollywood Inside or whatever. I hope that those

1291
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:53,840
future archaeologists don't take the mindset of the majority of Christendom,

1292
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,640
because the majority of Christendom is the Bible is the

1293
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,199
divine inspired Word of God perfect, it never changed. So

1294
01:16:02,279 --> 01:16:04,800
if it's not in the Bible, then it's not real.

1295
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:07,439
If it's not in the Bible, it didn't happen. If

1296
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:11,199
you're reading anything other than the Bible, you're wasting your time.

1297
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,199
It's like, no. So if you compare that to the

1298
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:21,119
future archaeologists, are those magazines the quote unquote History of America. No,

1299
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:25,399
they're not. But I hope they don't act like the

1300
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,640
modern Christians and want to burn them and say they're

1301
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,439
other devil. It's not in the Histories of America, so

1302
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,880
therefore it's bunk and it's not true. No, by reading

1303
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,479
those that might not be the Histories of America but

1304
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,880
if you read those magazines, you're sure as hell want

1305
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,239
to have a better understanding of the people and the

1306
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:46,239
culture of the time that we lived in, and you're

1307
01:16:46,279 --> 01:16:50,159
going to have a lot better grasp of who these

1308
01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:55,000
people are, what they did, and their belief systems. So

1309
01:16:55,560 --> 01:17:00,560
by avoiding these other quote unquote extra biblical texts, you're

1310
01:17:01,039 --> 01:17:03,920
you're remaining You're choosing to remain ignorant and be in

1311
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,560
the dark. And like doctor Michael Heizer said, something does

1312
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,439
not have to be divine inspired to be important for

1313
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,199
historical and cultural context.

1314
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 3: Amen, man, true that. So I'm curious, like maybe maybe

1315
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:27,199
another question worth asking. So let's say Cain is an nephelm, right,

1316
01:17:27,319 --> 01:17:30,279
Let's let's let's go down this rabbit hole. Let's say, Hey,

1317
01:17:30,359 --> 01:17:33,279
let's let's go with that for a minute. I find

1318
01:17:33,279 --> 01:17:36,039
it really interesting that God looks at him and tries

1319
01:17:36,079 --> 01:17:38,119
to warn him away from living a life of sin.

1320
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:43,439
Like he looks at Cain and he says, subdue sin.

1321
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:46,560
It's trying to have its way with you, but you

1322
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,279
have to conquer it. You have to overcome it. And

1323
01:17:49,319 --> 01:17:51,720
that dude, like, I think we look at Nephilim, like

1324
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,239
the concept of nephelim as, these like monsters that are like,

1325
01:17:55,399 --> 01:18:00,439
they can't be redeemed, they can't be saved. That verse,

1326
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:06,000
if this is legitimate, gives me reason to think even

1327
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:08,600
they could be redeemed. M h.

1328
01:18:09,239 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 4: That's what I said too, because a lot of those

1329
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:15,239
you know, racist organizations that we talked about earlier, the KKK,

1330
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,399
the Nazi Arians, they will take this, you know, idea

1331
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:24,239
and use it to propagate their you know, racist ideas

1332
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:26,560
and stuff. But I tell people, I'm like, I am

1333
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,119
a serpent seed guy. I believe Kane was of the devil.

1334
01:18:30,199 --> 01:18:32,319
But like you'd mentioned, I talked about in the book,

1335
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,079
all those people that want to take that idea and

1336
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:39,840
use it for their racist ends, if they read the Bible,

1337
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,439
they'd be shutting themselves, you know, shutting the door in

1338
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:47,920
their face before they even got started. Because if you know,

1339
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,680
if they're like this sub human race, damn to hell

1340
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,720
and they're not even human, you know, kind of like

1341
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,840
some people these racist organizations like to portray they're race wars.

1342
01:18:57,319 --> 01:19:01,439
Then why did God reason was Kane? I think you know,

1343
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,399
it talks about, you know, the sins of the father

1344
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,439
followed the son to the third and fourth generation. Yes,

1345
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:11,079
there's some stuff that travels through the bloodlines, but it

1346
01:19:11,119 --> 01:19:15,720
doesn't ultimately damn you. We all have a free will choice.

1347
01:19:16,359 --> 01:19:20,359
And I think that Kane was of the devil, but

1348
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,640
we see God talking to him and reasoning with him.

1349
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,800
Like you said, he was trying to reason with him

1350
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:28,439
and say, hey, man, if you don't do good, will

1351
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,279
you not succeed. And if you do bad, will you

1352
01:19:31,399 --> 01:19:34,000
not fail. And these feelings that you're having right now,

1353
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:38,319
they're not your own. You must learn to subdue them.

1354
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,279
And so I think it was kind of like the

1355
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,159
will or the bloodline curse or whatever you want to

1356
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:47,640
call that of the Father. The will of the Father

1357
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:52,800
was kind of looming over Kan and he had a choice,

1358
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,399
but he ultimately chose wrong. And the same thing happened

1359
01:19:56,439 --> 01:20:01,359
with Esau. When Esau, you know, was quote unquote screwed

1360
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:06,199
out of his birthright, he chose full rebellion and he

1361
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,960
brought about the the Edomites, who was a constant thorn

1362
01:20:11,039 --> 01:20:15,319
in the side of God's people. And thanks to people

1363
01:20:15,399 --> 01:20:18,359
like Gary Wayne that go through the genealogies the boring stuff,

1364
01:20:18,399 --> 01:20:22,039
we found some good nuggets he takes once he goes

1365
01:20:22,039 --> 01:20:25,039
into the full rebellion. He takes three wives, but two

1366
01:20:25,079 --> 01:20:29,359
of those wives are known Nephalum giant clans. There were

1367
01:20:29,399 --> 01:20:33,159
the Whrites and the Heavites, And it says in Genesis.

1368
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:36,760
Now you know in your quote unquote Cannon that his

1369
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:40,680
father in law was Sierra, and he reigned from the

1370
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,439
land of Mount Sierra. And when you go into the

1371
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:49,199
etymology of that word, that means Harry. So it's describing

1372
01:20:49,279 --> 01:20:54,119
a Nephilim giant tribe that has their name attributed to

1373
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:58,399
their hairiness. So if you already have this harry quote

1374
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:03,680
unquote sasquatch looking man named Esau marrying into Nephelim giant

1375
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:07,720
tribes known for their hairiness, you've got a high probability

1376
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,640
of throwing some really strange pups, to say the least

1377
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:16,199
here folks. And when you follow that genealogy, he bursts

1378
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:21,359
the Amalekites, And the etymology of that name means the

1379
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:27,439
blood liquors. And according to the medieval rabbis Rashi and

1380
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,119
Lewis Ginsburg, Legends of the Jews, and so many other

1381
01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:34,399
extra biblical writings, they say that this was a group

1382
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:39,039
of sorcerers and necromancers and even shape shifters. That's why

1383
01:21:39,079 --> 01:21:41,520
this is the only group in the Bible where God

1384
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,680
calls for the extermination of a people group to them,

1385
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:50,479
he specifically says kill every man, woman, child, and animal

1386
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:54,800
because they were thought to be shape shifters and they

1387
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,279
would shape shift into animals to evade capture.

1388
01:22:00,279 --> 01:22:04,199
Speaker 3: To think, maybe you know off the top of your head. Oh,

1389
01:22:04,279 --> 01:22:08,640
it's the the Moabites where David is told to line

1390
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,199
them up by height.

1391
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:15,399
Speaker 2: Have you seen that one? So every two links of

1392
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,479
them were put to death and the third length was

1393
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,319
allowed to live. So the Moabites became subject to David

1394
01:22:20,359 --> 01:22:22,880
and brought them tribute. So if they're above a certain height,

1395
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,520
David's supposed to kill the Moabites, but if they're below

1396
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,880
a certain height, they could live. That one's wild to

1397
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,600
me too, man, like that, Like, there's so much about

1398
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:35,520
these tribes. Does moab fall into that category?

1399
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:40,079
Speaker 4: From Esau tell you truth, I don't know. I've not

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01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:41,279
left that far.

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Speaker 3: That would be interesting off to look into that. But so, dude,

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01:22:48,079 --> 01:22:52,279
I mean, there's so much to chew on here. I

1403
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,920
actually just heard you on NDS talking about vampires a

1404
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:57,600
little bit, and that one was wild too.

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01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:00,399
Speaker 2: That might be fun in the few true.

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01:23:01,039 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 4: That's book two.

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01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,279
Speaker 2: I'm working on Nice.

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01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:09,319
Speaker 3: Nice. What's what's the application here? Like, what's what's the

1409
01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:12,359
person listening to this? Like how do we how do

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01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:14,960
we use this? Like how like how how does this

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01:23:15,079 --> 01:23:18,359
help us better understand God's plan how we're to live?

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01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:23,159
Speaker 4: Like what would what would you say to me? I'm

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01:23:23,239 --> 01:23:25,239
just a big history nerd, and I like looking at

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01:23:25,239 --> 01:23:29,880
all this stuff, and uh, I think it's important. Uh

1415
01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:31,920
you know, of course it's not anything to do with

1416
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:35,319
your salvation. But I think once you look into you know,

1417
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,159
the sasquatch sound of people, these serpent seeds, and the

1418
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:40,720
nephelum giants, you know, and all this other kind of stuff,

1419
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,880
it's the why it is, who and what you know,

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01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,920
God is saving us from. And I think that that's

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01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:54,319
important and I think it's good moral lesson. As I

1422
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:58,119
mentioned earlier, the macro and microcosms of the family of God,

1423
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,079
that's what we're called in. We're caught in a battle

1424
01:24:02,119 --> 01:24:05,720
of the birthright, and we're battling with our elder brothers,

1425
01:24:06,119 --> 01:24:10,680
and it's a family squabble. But just like Cain, we

1426
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,960
all have a choice. And if we go back to

1427
01:24:13,119 --> 01:24:15,960
the genealogies and stuff that there is no pure bloods.

1428
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:19,920
I think we're all MutS, but we all have a choice,

1429
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,560
a free will choice, and at the cross that was

1430
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:26,279
for everyone. And I tell people kind of at the

1431
01:24:26,399 --> 01:24:29,840
end of the book, you know, like moral you know takeaways,

1432
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:34,039
We get into all this weird fringy stuff, but then

1433
01:24:34,079 --> 01:24:37,000
I tie it together with a moral means at the end,

1434
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:42,640
and basically I tell people, you know, your inheritance, your

1435
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:47,840
birthright is a seat at the table at God's family dinner.

1436
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:52,000
When we were created, we were created to be a

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01:24:52,079 --> 01:24:55,920
happy family living together on the mountain of God in

1438
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:01,199
harmony with our brothers and sisters. Like all family feuds,

1439
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:04,520
it ripped a family in two and we lost our

1440
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,359
seat at the table because of it. And when we

1441
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:13,920
read the scripture, basically it's about the opportunity of rejoining

1442
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:17,760
the family of God, regaining our seat back at that

1443
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,479
divine council and help rule with our heavenly Father and

1444
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:28,800
our elder brothers. So that's the return to Eden. And

1445
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,640
just like the parable of the prodigal son, the wayward son,

1446
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,359
he come in humble to hisself and asked for forgiveness

1447
01:25:36,359 --> 01:25:40,600
and a just an opportunity to serve at his father's table,

1448
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:44,119
but he's accepted back as an equal. It says, a

1449
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:47,560
signet ring of authority and a cloak of authority is

1450
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,239
put back on the younger brother, and he's welcomed back

1451
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:54,560
into the family of God with open arms. That's our story, folks.

1452
01:25:55,399 --> 01:25:59,319
And we can't be like Esaul who was so worldly,

1453
01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:03,439
worried about himself and his personal gain and the ways

1454
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:07,520
of this world and being so shortsighted. Don't trade your

1455
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:12,199
birthright for a stinking bowl of suit. People, your birth right,

1456
01:26:12,279 --> 01:26:16,000
your seat at the chair at the family dinner of God,

1457
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:21,560
don't trade that for anything earthly. And don't be like

1458
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,239
you saw. Don't be so stubborn and set in your

1459
01:26:24,279 --> 01:26:27,239
ways that you just choose open rebellion against your heavenly

1460
01:26:27,279 --> 01:26:29,439
father that the road does not end.

1461
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 2: Well.

1462
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:36,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fantastic, man, that you just reminded me the

1463
01:26:36,079 --> 01:26:37,159
whole the bowl of soup.

1464
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 2: I hate to keep pulling on C. S.

1465
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,359
Speaker 3: Lewis ritings, but one that always stuck out to me

1466
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:47,439
is where he relates us to we're like kids playing

1467
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:51,000
in a gut or making mud pies that if somebody

1468
01:26:51,039 --> 01:26:53,279
came up and offered us a ticket on a vacation.

1469
01:26:54,199 --> 01:26:57,119
We wouldn't even take it because we have no comprehension

1470
01:26:57,119 --> 01:27:00,479
of what that even means. That's how fallen we are.

1471
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,720
When when Jesus comes about and and asks us, you know,

1472
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,079
to believe in him, to put our faith in him

1473
01:27:06,119 --> 01:27:09,359
to have salvation, Like, that's why we need him to

1474
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,279
like interact in our lives and bring us to life,

1475
01:27:12,399 --> 01:27:15,399
right because we're just so we're so hung up on

1476
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,279
the world. We got to get away from the world.

1477
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:21,359
We got to trust in Jesus. So I love it, dude.

1478
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:22,199
That's awesome.

1479
01:27:22,199 --> 01:27:22,399
Speaker 2: Man.

1480
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,560
Speaker 3: This is fun stuff. It's a lot to chew on it,

1481
01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:28,479
and it just keeps opening up new doors that then

1482
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,079
you have to go down. And that's all things like

1483
01:27:31,319 --> 01:27:34,840
conspiracy fringe related. It seems like one thing opens, another

1484
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,760
thing opens another thing. But that's why it's so fun too.

1485
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 2: Man.

1486
01:27:38,199 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 3: I think you quoted on on that episode with Tim

1487
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,800
Constantine talking about you know, it's the glory of God

1488
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:46,720
to conceal a thing, but it's the glory of kings

1489
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,640
to seek it out. And that's what this is all

1490
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,159
about here, man. We're just seeking, we're just looking, and

1491
01:27:51,239 --> 01:27:52,840
at the end of the day, it's all about Jesus,

1492
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,600
and I'm super grateful for you, brother. This is a

1493
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,640
really fun stuff, So thank you.

1494
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 2: That you have me on.

1495
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,560
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's the thing. It's it's the glory of

1496
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,640
God to conceal a thing, but the glory of kings

1497
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,640
that search things out. You know. That's what it says.

1498
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:11,039
Knock the door will be open, seeking, you shall find,

1499
01:28:11,159 --> 01:28:16,600
ask it shall be given. Yeah, someone can eat a

1500
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:20,680
great steak dinner, you know, from a five star restaurant

1501
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:24,239
every single day, and it'd be a good dinner. But

1502
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:27,119
if you have somebody that, like you mentioned the mud Pies,

1503
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:29,680
You've had somebody that's just stay McDonald's their whole life,

1504
01:28:30,199 --> 01:28:33,279
and they've watched that building. They know what's in there

1505
01:28:33,319 --> 01:28:35,279
and what it's about, what food they got, and then

1506
01:28:35,319 --> 01:28:38,239
they finally get to sit at that table, that dinner's

1507
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:40,199
gonna taste a hell of a lot more better to

1508
01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:42,640
them because they know what the mud Pies are like.

1509
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:47,600
And I think that's why to me it's important because

1510
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,119
I get a lot of people tell me, you know,

1511
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,880
giants and UFOs and all this weird stuff you talk about,

1512
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:58,359
it's unimportant, you know, I don't think it matters, is

1513
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,000
the gospel of Jesus Christ, and if you're talking to

1514
01:29:01,039 --> 01:29:03,199
anybody on the internet, it should just be preaching of

1515
01:29:03,319 --> 01:29:08,560
Jesus because the other stuff just doesn't matter. It's like, yeah,

1516
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,000
but to me, that equates to the person just sitting

1517
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:14,239
down and eating steak every single day. The Christians that

1518
01:29:14,319 --> 01:29:16,960
actually seek and find all these whys, you know, like

1519
01:29:17,159 --> 01:29:20,359
why we get this steak dinner, why this thing is

1520
01:29:20,399 --> 01:29:23,840
so much better than this greasy cheeseburger next door from

1521
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:29,920
McDonald Those whys help improve your worldview and increases your

1522
01:29:30,079 --> 01:29:34,520
appreciation and draws you closer in relationship to the Father,

1523
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:35,840
has been my experience.

1524
01:29:36,199 --> 01:29:38,319
Speaker 3: I think there's another huge piece there too, men, is

1525
01:29:38,359 --> 01:29:41,960
I think for those of us who just shut all

1526
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,239
this stuff down and go I'm not even going to

1527
01:29:45,239 --> 01:29:47,560
I'm not even gonna look at that. Number one, I

1528
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,279
think you have forsaken what it means to be Breen,

1529
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:54,880
which is something that Paul literally like, he commends it.

1530
01:29:55,319 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 2: He's happy they did it.

1531
01:29:57,279 --> 01:30:01,119
Speaker 3: They eagerly listened to every everything he had to say,

1532
01:30:01,199 --> 01:30:04,279
even though they didn't agree with him yet, which means

1533
01:30:04,359 --> 01:30:06,760
that's part of how we're supposed to be right. Yes,

1534
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,680
And I think part of Why that's so important is

1535
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,319
if you shut these conversations down and you're not willing

1536
01:30:12,359 --> 01:30:16,119
to even engage, you've destroyed the effectiveness of your witness

1537
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:19,720
to the people who are in these worldviews, who are

1538
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:23,199
down the rabbit hole, who maybe don't know Jesus, how

1539
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:24,600
are you going to talk to the person at the

1540
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,319
bottom of the rabbit hole if you're not willing to

1541
01:30:26,319 --> 01:30:28,079
stick your foot in it, you know what I mean,

1542
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:31,399
or to holler down it, you know what I mean. Like,

1543
01:30:32,039 --> 01:30:34,800
you've got to engage on some level. You got to

1544
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,239
be willing to hear people where they're at and be

1545
01:30:37,279 --> 01:30:40,560
able to speak their language. That's what missionaries do, right,

1546
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,760
They go and they speak the language of a people

1547
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,560
in a foreign land to preach the gospel of them.

1548
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,760
It's the same way with philosophical ideas, Right, We've got

1549
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:49,880
to meet people where they're at.

1550
01:30:50,039 --> 01:30:52,560
Speaker 2: And I think this stuff's huge for that man, So

1551
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:53,159
I love it.

1552
01:30:54,119 --> 01:30:55,520
Speaker 4: But yeah, I agree with what I percent.

1553
01:30:56,359 --> 01:30:58,560
Speaker 3: You want to give anybody a kind of shout out

1554
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,119
on what they can do to you know, support you,

1555
01:31:01,159 --> 01:31:04,039
support your channel, follow you, get more information from you

1556
01:31:04,079 --> 01:31:05,840
where they can find your book, all that stuff.

1557
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, man, I appreciate it, and hopefully this is

1558
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:10,399
the first of many. And if you ever want to

1559
01:31:10,399 --> 01:31:12,880
come up for my house and play for a playdate,

1560
01:31:13,039 --> 01:31:15,079
I'm always down for playdates.

1561
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely, dude.

1562
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 4: If you enjoyed this stuff. Man, this, like I said,

1563
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,079
this is like a fourteen to fifteen chapter book. We

1564
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:26,479
scratched the surface of maybe two chapters today, super deep.

1565
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:28,760
Like I said, this was a two year obsession of mine,

1566
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,840
the epic of e sawbirth Right and seed War. You

1567
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,439
can find that on my website, Prometheus Lyn's podcast dot com.

1568
01:31:36,279 --> 01:31:38,800
You can get a signed copy with stickers and bookmarks,

1569
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:42,000
all kinds of cool little customized grab back stuff for

1570
01:31:42,079 --> 01:31:43,800
you if you get it directly from me, or you

1571
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:47,880
can go to Amazon and get it there physical, digital

1572
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:50,640
and audio. And it's me reading it. No AI crap.

1573
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,680
So you get this Southern twang soothing you to sleep,

1574
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,199
just don't listen past eight o'clock. I will put you

1575
01:31:56,279 --> 01:32:01,039
to sleep, yeah, man, And I do every Sunday night

1576
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,720
on my YouTube channel at eight pm Eastern Standard we

1577
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:09,720
are actually doing a live study on Lewis Ginsburg, Legends

1578
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:11,279
of the Jews and some of the stuff that I've

1579
01:32:11,279 --> 01:32:14,760
been talking about here. So every Sunday night at eight o'clock,

1580
01:32:15,039 --> 01:32:17,199
a big group of us get together. There's usually eighty

1581
01:32:17,319 --> 01:32:19,520
or one hundred people in the chat and we just

1582
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:23,439
read the texts and have discussions and the members listen

1583
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,000
and they throw in their comments or ask their questions,

1584
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:27,680
and we just have an open study. Man, it's a

1585
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:31,319
lot of fun. And then I have a recorded show

1586
01:32:31,359 --> 01:32:33,800
that I put out every Monday at eight o'clock also,

1587
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,720
So come join us on the hero's journey. Man.

1588
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 2: I appreciate you having me absolutely.

1589
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:43,079
Speaker 3: Man. Let's do it again sometime. And until then, y'all

1590
01:32:44,079 --> 01:32:47,399
stay salty, stay lit, stay buren. We'll catch you next thing.

1591
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:09,279
Star Stone Stone Still style

1592
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