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Speaker 3: If you're here, but I don't want to hang out
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joined today by Doc Brown from the Prometheus Lens podcast.
Speaker 2: What's going on? Man?
Speaker 4: Hey man, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Absolutely dude.
Speaker 3: Let me just turn you up a little bit there
on my recording. So we talked a little bit today
about what we're going to talk about. I'm really interested
in talking about your book, man. I've heard bits and pieces.
I have not read it in its entirety. I actually
just downloaded it on audible, so I saw it was
an audiobook. That's awesome, but I want to get through
it in its entirety. But everything I've heard you talk
about super super interesting. It's like right up my alley,
all the stuff I love to talk about. So do
you want to just kind of introduce your book and
kind of what the premise of it is what we're
getting into today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, Once again, I appreciate you having me. We
had a little funny little joke back stage talking about
your name of your show. I love the name of
your show, but yeah, my show is called Prometheus Lynn's podcast.
You can find that anywhere you can consume content. But
the book was just a series of events that led
me on a journey. It was a two year obsession
for my first book. It's called The Epic of Esau,
The Birthright and Seed War. You can find it on
my website Prometheuslyns podcast dot com. You can get an
autograph copy straight from me. I give sick stickers and bookmarks,
a little giddy package and stuff where you get straight
from Amazon. They got it digital, they got fiscal and
then they also got the audible version. It's me reading
it to you. But no, just that book. Man grew
up in church my whole life and heard about Esau
and the trading of the birthright and all these things.
It just didn't make sense to me whatsoever. But I
just accepted it because it was the the paradigm that
I heard everywhere. It was just very vague and whitewashed Bible,
you know, And just one day I read it a
little differently. It just said Genesis twenty five twenty five,
you know. The first one came out read covered in
hair from head to toe like a Harry Cloak, and
I was like, man, that sounds pretty squatchy to me.
You know, if we just take our preconceived notions and
what we've been taught and told our whole lives and
just throw all that out the window and just read
the text and let it say what it says. If
you took that description and seeing someone matching this description
out in the woods without fail, we would all say
I seen a bigfoot or I seen a sasquatch. And honestly,
I tell people like the Holy Spirit will lay out
bread crumbs, it seems, and if you pick them up
and start following the trail, and you're obedient and searching
things out, just like the Good Book tells you, if
you seek, you find. If you'll knock, the door will
be answered. But you gotta be willing to put in
the legwork to do it. You know, he'll meet you
in the middle. And just one thing led to another.
I think I had Gary Wayne on the show. We
were going through the epic of Gilgamesh seeing this other
Harry dude named Inky Doo described just like Esau. He
was a mighty hunter, just like Esau. I'm like, man,
here's another one of these sasquatch sounding guys in an
old text. And then I studied the Book of Jashure,
and there for the first time, I found this story
where supposedly Esau and Nimrod, who were both the mighty Men,
fought to the death for these supernatural garments from the
Garden of God. And I was like, what is this.
I've never heard this since Sunday School, and just kind
of one thing led to the other, and my obsessive
compulsiveness kicked in. I was like, I have to know
this guy's story. So it just sent me on a
two year deep dive reading every piece of ancient manuscript
I could find. I went through Lewis Ginsburg and his
Legends of the Jews, which that's a six book series
that Lewis Ginsburg compile all the oral traditions and legends
and mythologies and stuff around the Jewish people, and the
Book of Jashure and just all these other quote unquote
extra bilical books, and I found pieces to this guy's
story just scattered out everywhere. So it was basically just
a two year treasure hunt of grabbing all these pieces
and put them together to form this guy's broken and
lost story.
Speaker 3: So you you started doing all of this research around Esau,
who is a super interesting character. And before we get
into that, I do notice like the very first thing
you said when when you read like about is like
all this hair covered and the word you used was squatchy.
Are you traditionally like super interested in Bigfoot and all
the cryptid stuff or did that kind of come after
the fact.
Speaker 4: Oh, definitely after the fact. I was never a big
Foot enthusiast, you know. I mean I knew the general
stories and knew you know, who he was, what he was,
knew a little bit about that, you know, Patterson Gamblin
film and things like that. As far as like being
a you know, a squatchologist or you know or whatever.
Out No, that was not me. I just kind of
had a thirty thousand foot view of this guy. But
just you know, reading that text, it's like that to me,
that's the only thing that I have my worldview to
title what he was described as.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 3: And it does sound that way or like were wolf
he or something, you know what I mean, Like because
the way it's described is it's like it's a lot
of hair. It's not just like a little bit. Because
the way Jacob tricks their dad is by it's like
a goat pelt right, he puts on his on his arm. Yeah,
So I mean, like, this is like an absurd amount
of hair on this guy for that to trick his dad,
unless his dad's just seen Isle at that point.
Speaker 2: I don't know you can make that case, I suppose,
but yeah, that's a tough one, dude.
Speaker 3: So that's super interesting that that you've kind of started
moving this direction. I do think it would be interesting
to maybe touch on some of the serpent seed stuff
if we're moving this way, because I think that kind
of tease up a lot of this, if that's fair.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and me, I was that person that I
would call people out for just hearing the mainstream paradigm
or someone you really like and trust that you think
is smart, just taking their idea and running with it,
you know, just saying, oh, well, they're smart, they know
what they're talking about. I believe them on this, so
therefore their opinion on that must be factual too. I'm
just going to take their word for it. And that's
something I condemned a lot of people for because more
often than not, when I searched things out myself, I
usually found something totally different. And the serpent seed I
was guilty of it. Doctor Michael Heiser, doctor jud byrd
and some people that I even consider, you know, friends
and really intelligent people. They laughed at the serpent seed,
you know, and said there was no you know, water
to be held in that cup. So I was like, okay, yeah,
that I'm not even gonna look that out because they're smart,
They've done their homework, and if they say it's this way,
it has to be that way. I trust them.
Speaker 3: And I had to tack onto that too really quick.
It's sort of been demonized as well because it's been
co opted by a lot of like nefarious groups as well,
and so like, I think it just gets gets lumped in.
It's sort of like looking at the annihilationist view of
hell and going like, well, that can't there can be
literally nothing to that because the Jehovah's witnesses believe it.
And it's like, well, that doesn't just caught us an
avigation exactly, and so it's like you still have to
parse that individual thing out and figure out if this
thing is legit or not.
Speaker 4: So no, you're good, because yeah, because I mean, like
anything anything can be you know, grabbed onto and corrupted
and made something that it's not to achieve someone's personal vendetta,
you know, or end goal. And you see that, you
know with the the KKK, the Nazis, with the Arians,
you know, uh what Hitler done. A lot of even
Southern Baptist preachers that kind of hold to the serpent
Seed use it to go against black people. Uh. But
you even see it in uh what's it called? Uh,
that religion that basically copied Masonry, Campbell or not Campbell Mormons,
how you know they talk about old black people are
there because that's their curse. Oh yeah, the war in Heaven. Yeah,
they didn't choose the site, so therefore they were cursed
to be black.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So a lot of places will take certain ideas that
are true but manipulate them to their you know, wicked
means or goal. And I think that's a prime example
is what we have with the serpent Seed. But I
had someone on my show. We ended up becoming real
good friends with their doctor Joypugh. She's a great talk
if you haven't had her on your show, but she,
you know, has got so many degrees and different things.
Real smart lady. She's like your southern grandma, sweet as
could be. Come on the show one day, and uh,
I think we're talking about the Mark of the Beast.
Somehow we wound up in Serpent Seed. And when I
heard her going on about it, I was like, Oh, no,
here we go. It's another whackadoo person that subscribes to
this serpent Seed, you know. But I really liked her,
and I guess where. She was a Southern gal too.
She had a little bit of a southern drawer. Reminded
me of my sweet grandma. So I listened to her
and I heard her out, and she laid it out, man,
and she did. She totally changed my paradigm and blew
my worldview in two And when I started searching it out,
I'm like, dude, it's try here. It's you have to
be in denial to not see this thing. It's how
I was looking at it. I was like, how did
I look over this for so long? What's because I
didn't search it out. I was believe what everybody else
was saying and didn't look for it, you know, with
my own set of objective eyes, and pressed on it
a little bit. And so when I was studying this
book out, I started bumping into things, pointing to Esau
being of a servant seat. For instance, it's the Lewis
Ginsburg legends of the Jews. It says that when Esau
was born that he had a guardian angel, and his
guardian angel was Samuel, which is you know Satan, they
you know the way the Jewish, you know legends, and
lower goes that this was his name before the fall,
and then that's his brother Jacob had a guardian angel,
but his guardian angel was Michael, the head archangel, and
that even when Esau was born, he had a serpent's
branding put upon his body, and that while pregnant Rebecca
would walk by a house that was in service to Yahueh,
that Jacob would stir with excitement, in which you'd walk
by a house that was in service to a pagan god,
that Esau would stir with excitement, and that he tried
to kill his brother in the womb. And so once
I started looking into Esau a little bit harder and
seeing that, I was like, well, that's strange because all
these other extra biblical texts are painting him as a
serpent seed, and we know from Genesis they already paint
him in this beastly looking light he comes out covered
in hair from head to toe like a Harry cloak,
And like you had said, it wasn't poetic language. He
was so hairy, literally that his brother had to kill
a goat and wrap himselves in it for his father
blind father to feel him and trick him. So he
was literally, you know, that hairy man. And so once
I got exposed to that serpent seed, do you want
me to lay that out a little bit for those
it's maybe never heard it.
Speaker 3: If we could, man, because I've honestly got some questions
on my own, like on maybe some different characters. I'll
say this before you get into it, Like I think
where I have a really hard time with it is
I do think there's I think it's very probable. I
think it's like I think it's I think it makes
a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: I'll say that.
Speaker 3: But then at the same time, I also do think
the Bible speaks metaphorically, and so trying to figure out
where to draw the line between the literal and the metaphor,
because I think they're both present at different times, and
so then understanding like who is operating maybe spiritually as
a serpent seed kind of figure, and then who is
like literally operate. Does that make sense? Like that's where
I'm trying to parse out a lot of this Pharaoh
would be one that I would want to hear your
your thoughts on. But yeah, if you could layout kind
of what are we talking about when we say the
serpencied idea?
Speaker 4: Okay, well, the garden beating the fall, the event. Adam
and Eve's in this garden and then, as we have
been told or heard or made to believe that, one day,
she plucks an apple from this tree of the knowledge
of good and evil and boom bites into it and
she gets, you know, her consciousness basically, and then she
realizes that she's naked, and they're kicked out of the garden,
and of course the two brothers they battle and then
the one kills the other, and that's kind of how
the narrative went. But when you go back and you
actually read that, it says that there is no apple.
So that's kind of like the Mandela effect. We've been
told that it was an apple tree and so therefore
it's just kind of baked into our head like that,
but the text doesn't say that. But all it says
is that she partakes of this tree and then some
of the English translations say and she ate. But when
you go into the Hebrew, uh, one word can have
multiple meanings. So it's important to you know, look up
these words and see how many different ways that word
was translated to out detect and then take those and
kind of plug and play and see which one fits better.
Because the original Hebrew there was no consonants or vowels.
I'm sorry, it was just consonants. So like the cause,
you know, it's like n H S or whatever, but
like you'll have three consonants, but you can insert different
vowels in between.
Speaker 3: There is where you get the words for bronze or shining,
and where you get the word for like necromancy or divination,
and so all those things are.
Speaker 2: Wrapped up in that same word.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so it's like a combination. You can insert
different vowels in between consonants and get totally different words.
And so that's why you have that is if we're
being honest to translators, they just see these consonants and
they're like, I think it's this word. So if we
add this vowel here and this vowel here, it makes
this word. And I think that makes sense, and it might,
but you're playing an educated guessing game if you're being honest.
So I think that's why it's important to see all
the different variations and plug and play them. So in
the English it says she partakes of this tree and
she eats, But that same Hebrew word many times in
the Old Testament is translated to enjoys. So I think
that's a better fit because it says in there she
partakes of this tree and she enjoys. And then she
goes to her husband and he too in joys. Okay.
So then after that what happens They realize that they're naked,
and what do they do? They cover their sexual reproductive organs.
And she told me this story, doctor Joypeugh, and it
stuck with me because I think it's probably about the
best analogy I've ever heard to try to get people
to understand this idea. And she said, as a kid,
we weren't allowed to have sweets before dinner, she said,
and we have a cookie jar on top of the refrigerator.
And she said, every once in a while, she said,
when mom would slip out or have her back turned.
She said, me and my sister would sneak up there
and steal some cookies. She said, well, one day we
snuck up there and grabbed some cookies and started eating them,
and mother came in and called us. She said, you
know what was the first thing that we did? She said,
We covered our mouth. She said, because that's where the
sin was, that's where the transgression was. That's what we
wanted to hide, that's what we were ashamed of. When
you're caught in the act of doing something wrong, you
want to hide that. And she said, I think that's
what happened there, She said, because God shows up and
they all of a sudden cover their sexual reproductive organs
because that's what they were doing. And she said, and
then if you look at the cursings, she said, you know,
God is the same yesterday, today, and forevermore. She said,
all the cursings always correlate to the crime, and they
always give you the opposite of what you're trying to achieve.
She said, so look at the curses. Not only did
when they were found out, they covered their sexual reproductive organs.
All of God's curses circulate around birthing and or seeding
children and sex. She said, the woman's cursed to have
a painful child bearing. That's from the act of a
sexual act. She said, then she's cursed to have painful
minstrel cramps. That's due to a sexual interaction. And then
he said, and I will put enmity between her seed
and thy seed talking to the serpent, so it says
outright that the serpent is going to have a seed,
and that those two are going to be at war
at enmity with each other, and that one would bruise
one's head and the other would bruise the other's heal.
So and then she said, thenk yeah, she said, okay.
She said, now look at the etymology of their names.
She said, we tend to forget this is not a
play by playbook written in real time. She said, this
is like the ESPN highlight reel that the night after
you're watching the recaps, they're hitting the high points. And
she said, in a lot of these characters in the Bible,
she said, the names that you get are not their
real names. She said, if you notice a lot of
the themes, when you go into the etymology of what
they mean, they correlate to that person's character. In the story. Nimrod,
the rebel you think his name was really the rebel. No,
it was. So I'm rising his character in that story,
not saying he wasn't a real character.
Speaker 3: It's sort of a name Thespians on like a traveling
like stage show, like back in the Middle Ages, how
you would always have the same archetypal characters, like you're
always going to have the fool, You're always gonna have
the hero, You're always gonna have the damsel in distress.
They don't really have names, they're just like these archetypal functions, right.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. She said, So if
you go, she said, to their names, she said, Caine
means acquired. She said, so what loving mother would name
their child acquired? She said, But, like I said, it
correlates to his role in the story, she said, because
he was not Adam's child. He was acquired. He was adopted.
And she said, and then you go to Abel. She said.
Abel's name means breath. She said, because he was in
the similitude of his father Adam, who was a lifeless
being until what the breath of God was put into him.
So he was naming him after his father. Cain was
the one that was acquired, and what happens when they
get kicked out of the garden. First thing, Yeah, they're
sure it is enmity and war between the two seeds
because Cain kills Abel, because Cain was of the wicked One.
And when you get into the New Testament, you see
this is whether it's you know, physical, whether it's spiritual.
I mean that we can debate on, but we cannot
debate that. This is the thoughts and beliefs of the
people of the time. And John even says, you know,
Cain was of the wicked One. In the New Testament,
Jesus when he's talking to the Pharisees, what does he say, said,
you are of your father, the devil, who was a
murderer from the beginning. Who is the murderer from the beginning,
his son Kan So the context is Caine. And then
it says you are a brute of vipers, and then
a lot of people stop there. But how they reply
I think's pretty damning because the Pharisees respond with, we
were not born of fornication. We have but one father.
So you remember, the context is Kane. He was a
murderer from the beginning. So they're saying we're not like Cain.
We have but one father, because Adam and are Cain
and Abel had two separate fathers. So they're saying, no, no, no,
we're not like Cain, who was born out of adultery.
We have but one father. So there's separating themselves from
that other seed line. And then the final nail in
the coffin for me was when Paul is talking into
Second Corinthians. I think it's chapter eleven. He's talking to
the church Corinth and he says, I have a jealousy
for you. He said, no, wait, I have a righteous
jealousy for you. He said, I prepared you as a
chased vergin to one husband, but I am afraid that
you will be beguiled as Eve was beguiled by that
ancient twisting serpent. And that's the same word used in
the Genesis account, beguiled, which means wholly seduced, And the
context of that conversation was sex. He said, I prepared
you as a chaste verse, but I'm afraid that you
will be beguiled as Eve was beguiled by that ancient
twisting serpent. And then Seth, you know, he was the
replacement for Abel when you go to the etymology of
his name, that's what his name means, the replacement. And
then it takes the time to even say when Seth
was born that he was born in the similitude of
his father Adam. They didn't say that about Cain. Why
did they add that extra detail in why was his
name the replacement? Because he was Adam's son's replacement because
Cain was not his.
Speaker 3: It's so much man, like, it really is, and like
you're so right when you say people just kind of
poopoo this thing because it once again, you've got a
lot of bad actors that have adopted it.
Speaker 2: But it's like if.
Speaker 3: You just break it down to it, like get rid
of all the weird stuff, get rid of all the
stuff where you start trying to make this about race
or about like a you know, dominant group of people
on the planet, like that's what people do. But let's
just break it down to like what the text says.
That's there's a lot of evidence, man, And I'm I'm
a big believer in the whole concept of like you know,
you find you find one thing that feels out of
place and you go, oh, that's a coincidence. Then you
find another, and you find another, and you find another.
And at some point we're talking about evidence, right Like,
at some point this mounting pile of coincidence, we have.
Speaker 2: To go, hey, there's all there's an awful lot of this.
Speaker 3: Quote unquote coincidence here, you know, So that feels like
what this is?
Speaker 2: You know, it's a lot.
Speaker 4: That's what I tell people. It blows my mind that
I can pile up this big old amount of evidence
and people still just ignore it. And the one thing
that I do get is like I laid out all
that stuff there, and there's more stuff I could talk to,
But I think that's a pretty damn good case right there.
But people will throw up one verse and that's all
they ever have is one verse. And I talk about
it in my book and I break it down. It's
I believe it's a fallacy. It's a hollow point. And
the thing is is, tell me what world that you
can have ten, fifteen, twenty pieces of evidence piling up
against you in the court of law, but one person
has one item that sounds like it may contradict one
of yours, Well, what about the other nineteen? You might
have eliminated one, But now you're one doesn't beat my twenty,
you know what, right, But that one verse.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I was gonna say, I want you to
get into it because I think I have maybe another
way of looking at what you're about to say that
I think also supports your claim. So okay, lay it
out there, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The one verse they all use is right after
the expulsion. It says in there, like I said, this
is one verse and this is the only thing that
got And it says basically that when the children are born,
it says that Adam knew his wife and she bore Cain.
And it says, then again she bore Abel, and it
says and at the birth of Cain, so it's insinuating
twins there. And at the birth of Cain she makes
this special proclamation and she says, I have acquired which
is that's his name, folks, I have acquired this man
through the help of the Lord all caps in English Lord.
So that is the divine name, the Jodha Vave. So
people say, okay, case closed. It says that Adam knew
his wife and she bore Cain and Abel. So therefore
do you try and say that two seeds were germinated
at the garden is bunk. Once again, you got to
go back to the original languages. When you go back
to the original languages, I thought it was particularly weird, like, Okay,
Cain gets this special proclamation, but able doesn't why there's
nothing junk in the Bible. If they put something there,
it's for a reason. It's supposed to draw your attention
to something. So but then it hit me, I'm like,
all the other times that's talking about God. It says Elohem, Eloheim,
Elohem Elohem. In the beginning, the Eloheim created the heavens
and the earth, and the Eloheim said, let us make
man in our image constantly. And then all of a sudden,
the name changes to the divine name. And we're told
that Moses wrote the first five books of the Torah.
And so I'm like, well, Moses had the divine name. Okay.
So if I'm writing a story about this guy named Jeff,
and I'm like, hey, you know, Jeff woke up this
morning and brushed his teeth, took a show, and headed
to work, and I talk about his day. Then he
comes home and goes to sleep, he wakes up, and
then I'm like, now, today Johnny gets up and brushes
his teeth just like the day before, and showers to
leave for home. The reader's gonna be like, well, wha, whoa,
you just said he was Jeff. Why are you changing
his name in the middle of the story. And that's
what's happening here, But it's lost in the original languages
because we read the English. So if Moses wrote the
first five books, why did he change the name in
the middle of the story. And then I got to
search on that. I wasn't the only person that noticed
that and asked this question. There's these group of scholars
that got together and they formed this thing they called
the documentary hypothesis. And they think that either there was
already stories of creation and their religion already written down,
or in the very least, there was well established oral
traditions and stories that everybody knew, and that Moses decided
to be a documentarian and compile them all. Okay, I'm
going to take our creation story, and I'm going to
take this story and I'm going to put it together
and grab all of our different stories and put them
together to tell our full story. And to me, that
makes a lot more sense. So if he already had
a creation story and they were calling him Elohem Elohim Eloheim.
Then we have that first insertion of the divine name,
which we know Moses was the only one to have
it in the first one to get it. So to me,
that shows that at that moment that is either Moses's
first redaction of the original text or where he picked
up where the story left off. So I think, and
I think it's very reasonable to at least ask this question.
I thought, I turned that emoji thing off. It always
frees my screen.
Speaker 2: Will it pop back?
Speaker 3: That's so fod I have to re said, it's funny.
Speaker 2: You're not even giving the thumbs up.
Speaker 3: You just put your hand on your chest, and I
thought you did it, and it's so funny. Well, can
I give a while you're kind of working on that,
Can I give you a second thought here that I
think might play along with what you're saying?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but we finished this thought though. Yeah, But
what I was gonna say was is, to me, it
makes more sense that the name stayed the same. If
the name stayed the same, that verse changes to all
of a sudden, I have acquired this man through the
help of the Eloheim Now, the eloheim can be plural,
it can be talking about the divine council. You know,
let us make man in our image, the Eloheim created them.
So I'm like, to me, I think the original writing
or telling of it was, I have acquired this man
through the help of the Eloheim. What elohean then, Nakash?
That's who I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I think that's a fair interpretation.
And what I would kind of pair that with is
every time biblically you see God say hey, we're I'm
trying to think of a good example of this.
Speaker 2: I know it happens over and over again. I'll just
kind of give this scenario.
Speaker 3: God has somebody do something and then God later will
accredit it as something he did, as in like he's God,
all things that happen are because he gives the allowance
for it to happen, you know what I mean, Like
he has the final say on everything, and so it's
like at the end of the day, he owns kind
of everything in creation, and so I don't think it's
a problem, you know, for for like even if Moses
changes it to yahweh later, well, it's like well yeah,
like y aahwait is the like, at the end of
the day, he allowed it because he is sovereign, you
know what I'm saying, So like it doesn't once again,
this does not combat with like traditional you know, Christian
thought in any way.
Speaker 2: So I love it, dude, I love it.
Speaker 4: Keep cooking and everything else makes sense, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: To your point though about Adam being brought up as
like you know, and he slept with his wife and
then she bore a child. I had to google this
because the word's too crazy. But it is possible for
a woman to become impregnated by two men at the
same time and to have two children inside of her
by two different fathers. And they call it hetero paternal superfecundation.
And I hope it don't get flagged on that word
because that's wild. But like, uh but uh yeah, So
I mean, like that's a scientific term, that's that's a
legitimate thing that can happen. So I guess my question
for you would be, does buy this view that you're proposing.
Does that make keenaenephelum.
Speaker 4: By textbook definition? Yes? And that's what I say too,
is with this paradigm, now you have so many ambiguous
things solved. It's like, what was the point in having
the genealogies traced if there wasn't a bad line. That's
the whole reason that they tracked the bloodline was to
show and prove that Jesus Christ, the Messiah come from
a pure bloodline. He wasn't of the Nephilim stock. And
so therefore, what was the point in keeping up with
all those genealogies and separating the two branches of the
tree if they were one and the same. There wasn't
an insertion in that garden. To me, that that makes
a lot more sense. And it's the whole spiritual battle
for the dominion of earth. That's the whole reason the
flood came right because Noah was the only one that
was to mim in the Hebrew, which every time that
word is used, it's talking about the purity of the
blood of the sacrificial animals in the Old Testament. So
Noah was the only one to mim and right, you
know in English is righteous. He was the only one
to mim in his what generations, his genealogies. So that's
something I've always struggled with. It's like a lot of
people in our space are all about Genesis six, all
about the angels coming down and breeding with the daughters
of men. But when you say it happened in the garden,
their heads explode and then they're like and then I
also hear this awful often. Uh, what's the word I'm
looking for? Like gas lighting? Of Well, he imprisoned the
Genesis six angels, so uh, why did you do it
to Satan in the garden. So therefore, even though all
this stuff you're showing me the text sounds right and
lines up, But since he imprisoned the ones from Genesis
six and not Satan and that therefore it didn't happen.
And I'm like, okay, so you're saying the credit the
universe is not allowed to rule and how he sees
fit and change his mind or you know, this was
the very starting of the whole thing, and God knows
the ending, you know, the ending from the beginning, and
he allowed this to go on, I think for a
bigger play into the end times.
Speaker 3: So interestingly enough, you bringing that up. I just heard
have you have you read the Golden Bough?
Speaker 4: Hmm?
Speaker 2: Do you know what it is?
Speaker 4: Is it something Greek? Uh?
Speaker 2: He gets into the Greek.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a secular comparative history of religious and
religions and myths across cultures. And it's like a twelve
that dude, Yeah, I mean like there's an annotated version.
It's like, you know, yea thick but there's like a
twelve volume version that's the completion of it. And apparently
who directed The Shining Kubrick. Kubrick was obsessed with this thing.
But one of the very first things that talks about
is like the fool King, And it's this idea across
many cultures where like the Big Woman's, like the Babylonian version,
where you've.
Speaker 2: Got this.
Speaker 3: King that they do a ritual where for seven days
they're king rules and he lives as the king, but
then at the end of the week they kill him
by scourging and strangulation, and then he goes after Mardik. Yeah,
but they didn't want to use their actual king, so
they would elect a fool or a criminal in his place,
who would live in place of the king, sleep with
his wives, eat his food, sleep in his bed, live
in the kingdom for seven days, and then at the
end of that seven days he would die in place
of the actual king, so they don't have to kill
their king. But then he gets to go rule. And
I read that man and I went, oh, that's Satan.
He's the criminal that's getting to reign for a week,
and at the end of that week, he's gonna be
scourged and destroyed, you know what I'm saying. And like that,
that just that made sense to me. Like, you know,
on a cultural level, we understand that concept apparently because
it's across many cultures. That feels like that points to
a greater truth, which is we've got a criminal reigning
as king right now and he's not the real king.
The real king's coming back and he's gonna kill you
in seven days, you know.
Speaker 2: Like I thought that was pretty cool. Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: And then like when you go into the comparative mythology too,
there's so many stories that points to a set of
twins and one being divine and the other regular human.
Like you said, when you have so many stories that
sound the same over and over again throughout cultures, throughout time,
there something to that. It means it stems from a
more ancient source. And I don't care. I mean, if
there is an echo, that means someone first had to scream.
So Hercules. Everybody remembers Hercules, but they forget about his
twin brother, that was just a normal human Perseus. All
these guys man, ninety percent of them all had twins
Romulus and Remus, Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau. And
there's one divine and one regular every time. Because I
think it's telling an overall story.
Speaker 3: Well, and even talk about well, sorry, even the story
of the prodigal son, Like everybody recognizes that what's happening
there is that story serving as a symbol for a
greater truth. And I think one is what you would
talk about with the older angelic brother and the younger
human brother. I think that's very clear. I think the
second one is it's the jew who has been placed
on a pedestal as God's like chosen people at the time,
and the younger brother being the gentile who is to
come along and be adopted back into the family line.
And so like God uses these stories to unfold multiple ways.
But I do think you're right in this pointing back
to the spiritual truth of like God has too haves
to his family. He's got two types of sons, He's
got the elder spiritual the younger physical.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what I was gonna say. Yeah, all
the microcosms and microcosms of the story of the family
of God, the elder brother. According to the Book of Job,
you know, where were you when I hung the stars
in the morning the sons of God, the morning stars
saying for joy at the side of creation. So that
shows you they were there, they witnessed creation. They were
here before us. And we're the younger brother. And just
like all those parables parallel the prodigal Son and so
on and so forth, God always chooses the younger brother.
That's us, that's humanity. And just like in the Prodigal Son,
the older brother was that's the angelic race. And those
are the ones that chose to rebel. And it's a
seed war. It's over the dominion of this earth and now,
because when Satan tempted Jesus, he said, you know, bow,
I'll give you all the kingdoms of this earth, because
they're mine to give to whom I please. So he
didn't refute him. And Jesus even says that he is
the ruler of this world. Because it's the battle of
the birth right. These two sons of God are competing
for control over Earth, and one decided to inter breed
into it and assert his dna, to have his family
infiltrate the home and the kingdom and try to usurp
the kingdom and take it away. So that's what we
got here. We got a battle of the birth right.
It's the seed war, and Jesus even talks about it
in these parables. I believe, like you said, there's multiple layers.
But like you had mentioned earlier, if you've got one thing,
maybe that's a coincidence. So if you got two, maybe
a coincident. It's a third one, it's it still could
be a coincidence. No, man, if you keep seeing it
over and over and over again, it's because it's there's
something to that. The sowing of the wheat and tears.
Jesus said, you know there was a farm and that
the landowner has sown good seed. But then when his
angels went to check on it, they said, oh, I
thought you's sown good seed. Father, behold there's tears growing
amongst the wheat. And what does he say? He said,
the devil has done this in my absence. He has
sown his seed it's the seed war. So that that's
what's going on there. And people want to say, oh, well,
how come everything's so cryptic? You know, how come God
just doesn't come right and tell you, because it says
and plainly in the text that it is the glory
of God to conceal a thing, But it is the
glory of kings to search things out. Jesus taughting parable
for those with thighs to see, in ears to hear.
He's not going to spell it out for you. It's
there for those who dig, who ask and seek. But yeah,
and so with all that serpent seed stuff kind of
laid out there, you know, imagine there wasn't a Bible
back then. All you had was either oral stories and
traditions or scrolls if they happen to be written down.
So you have what happens in the garden. You know,
she partakes of this tree, covers their private parts, puts
a curse. You know, I will put enmity between her
seed and thy seed, and one will bruise one's head,
the other will bruise the other's heel. So there is
no books, there is no chapters. It's either a story
being told or read aloud from a scroll, so there's
no chapters. So imagine the ancient reader or hearer of
this story just heard what happened in the garden, right,
And if they're listening to the story, just a few
moments later they get told this part the story. It's
the birth of Jacob Andissau. So imagine, you know, there's
no subtitles or any of that stuff. It's all flowing together.
And they just heard about this curse in the garden.
And here Rebecca is in great travail, and the Angel
of the Lord came and told Rebecca what he said.
There's two nations, two people's or dag on it. That's
gonna be my mission today. I'm going to find out
how to turn that freaking thing off at so funny.
So he said, you know, there's two nations, two peoples
in your womb. And then he says one shall be
stronger than the other. He says, but the younger will
rule over the older. Okay, So now imagine the ancient
reader just heard about this curse in the garden that
there'd be you know, enmity between her seed and thy seed.
This angel shows up, Oh, there's two people's, two nations
in your women, they battle amongst each other. There's enmity
between the two. They're like, oh man, we just heard
about this. And then it goes on to describe the birth,
and then it says the first one came out red,
covered in hair from head to toe like a hairy cloak.
So Esau being born first, his foot has to press
on his twin brother's head to exit the wound, bruising
the head.
Speaker 2: But then it gives you.
Speaker 4: This extra little detail, it says, and Jacob is clutching
the heel of Esau. You're not going to get a
more polaroid picture of Genesis three point fifteen, especially to
the ancient reader. They're gonna be like, holy crap, this
is the prophecy that God told us about in the garden.
Speaker 2: Gotcha again, it's after you today.
Speaker 4: Man, I'm telling you, there is so much spiritual warfare
attached to this subject.
Speaker 2: It's so real.
Speaker 4: And you underteo why some people get so tore up
and get fighting mad talking about this subject because the
spirit gets a hold of them.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, Well it's it's the spirit of
complacency too, right, Like we're not allowed to think, we're
not allowed to ask questions. We're not Like, look, dude,
could could you be wrong about all this? And let
me be clear, I don't think you are, but like,
could you be sure? And if you are, I think
you said this on Tim's podcast. What does this affect
anybody's salvation? Like this is just exactly this is Parson
out the story and putting meat on the bones. This
is still all glory to Jesus at the end of
the day. All this stuff this helps us understand his
story better. How can't that be great? But one, I
don't know if this is where you're going, but I
am curious. So, like, I find it really interesting that
Jacob being the younger brother and he's going to be
the one that has the favor with God because that's
how the trope always goes. He becomes Israel and he
becomes the father of Israel. Who does I don't want
you to jump ahead if that's the case, but who
does Esau become the father of I don't know that
I'm super familiar with that, Like how he plays into
the genealogies there, and I'll be really interested to see that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think what happened was, like I said,
the devil inserted his seed into the farmer's wheat, just
like the parable Jesus told to try to usurp the
dominion of hers. Dominion and priesthood was given to Adam.
And I'll throw this out here to this little side
rabbit trail. I had mentioned earlier about these supernatural garments
from the Garden of God. It was well established in
their old traditions and mythologies and stuff. That Adam was
that his coverings give to him in the garden, were
these supernatural garments that help you know, it was basically
the king's crown. It was the symbol of kingship and priesthood. Uh.
And I come up with this theory. And then after
I got to read in some of these other text
I seen that, you know, like Solomon said, nothing news
under the sun. This was already well established idea. It's
just been lost to time and it's only been rediscovered now.
But they I thought that his coverings was the coverings
of the Nakash. So when you get to Ezekiel twenty eight,
it's talking about Satan there and it says every precious
stone was your covering. Barrel onyx Topaz Jasper onyx. It
names all the stones, uh, the septuagen list twelve stones,
with a masoretic list nine stones. Really yeah, so in
go old settings was your inlays and they were perfect
in the day that they were created, and all this stuff.
It's describing the priestly ephot, So it's painting Satan in
a priestly role. But then a verse or two down
to remove all doubt, it paints him wearing this priestly
ephot and then it says you profaned your sanctuaries and
then you were cast from the mountain of God as
a profane thing.
Speaker 2: You're talking, he's right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that when Satan, I think Satan was basically
the king and priest of creation, and then at his
downfall he was demoted, his priestly garments taken from him
and given to Adam and dominion that's where dominion was
given back to Adam to or given to mankind. And
he was the first king and priest over all creation.
And that's the birth right, that's part of the birthright.
That's the crown that gets passed through the bloodline, and
it says it went all the way through the bloodline
from Adam to Enoch, to Matthuselah to Noah, that Noah
had them going over the flood, and that it was
in Ham's going out that Ham stole the garments, stole
the birthright, and it was later given to Nimrod. And
I got to mention at the beginning of the show.
I'd read in Jasher that the two mighty hunters, Nimrod
and Esau battled to the death and that he stole
the supernatural garments from the Garden of God from Nimrod
and took them. So these were once Satan's garments. It
was his crown basically, So I think when he's you
know that seed was sown in Rebecca, he knew the
first born was the one that got the birth right,
so he wanted to make sure his seed come out first.
But the Angel the Lord got ahead of the game
and told Rebecca, hey, I know it's normally customary that
the eldest rules and gets the birthright, but in this case,
it's going to be the younger. Because I think he
knew what the devil was up to, and I point
out in the book he comes out looking just like
a fertility god. These fertility gods were wild men. They
were covered in hair from head to toe. And that
story of Gilgamesh and inky Do, right, what happens there?
You have these two mighty hunters. They battle it out,
but Kylgamesh winds. They become his friends and they go
on all these you know, adventures together. But it says
that when inky Do was made, he got his name
because he was the one, the one whom Inky made.
Inky is Samuel Samael is Satan, and it says that
he was made in the image of sam Quain. Sam
Quain was a fertility god in Mesopotamian Samaria, and he
was a wild man. He was covered in hair from
head to toe. So I think that the Epica Gilgamesh
is the same story that's told in the Book of
jash Or. It's just told from the Babylonian point of
view and their guy wins.
Speaker 3: Can I give you another one that I think falls
into this. Yeah, Are you familiar with the story of
Rex Simaramas or the Rex king Nimoramus Nimoramus, I'm sorry, have.
Speaker 2: You ever heard of that?
Speaker 3: The divine trinity word simararis uh Nimoramus. I'm sorry, I
got that because it's uh. It gets it gets abbreviated
as the Priest of Nemi, and it's basically this story
where the goddess I believe it's Diana has a priest
who is the King of the Wood. And so that's
what it is, that the rex king of the Wood,
and he is placed in charge over the wood as
her high priest and king over the Wood. And the
only way you can become her high priest or King
of the Wood is you have to be a runaway slave.
You have to be a slave that's gone from their
master or whatever, and then you have to go into
the wood and you have to find a golden bough
off of a tree, which is what this book The
Golden Bough is centered around.
Speaker 2: Is this story. You break that bow off the true in.
Speaker 4: The Argonauts with the golden sheep.
Speaker 3: Skin a little bit, but then you have to kill
the previous Priest of Nimi, and so it's highlander like,
there're gonna only be one kind of thing, right, So
it dude, it's crazy you're bringing this up. And like
I do apologize for like not having read your book.
I literally just bought it this week, but so much
of what you're saying is crossing over what's so much
of what I've been studying lately. You talking about this
idea of Satan being a priest in the garden. Ezekiel
twenty eight literally says you were an anointed guardian Cherub
in that garden. What's he guarding the garden? He's he's
he's a priest. This is a priestly role. He's got
instruments built into his body. The Levites were the musician
class because that was part of temple worship, was playing music.
He's literally got musical instruments like on his person. Like
I don't know if that's built in or just part
of what he could do, but like he's described as
a musician with his timbers and his pipes and all that.
Speaker 2: And then you get to the to the jewels as well.
Speaker 3: You saying there's twelve in the septuo agent blows my mind, dude,
because I've been trying to wrap my head around that.
I'm like, why are there only nine? Because these are
the high priests jewels, Like, why are there nine? So
there's twelve in the sept two agent. That's crazy because
here's how I've been looking at it, and I'm curious
to hear your thoughts. You're saying that it was given
to Adam, that those garments were given to Adam. I'm
totally open to that, But I think Adam was commissioned
as a priest before that, because God gives Adam the
role of subduing, and so that's an oversight role, right,
It's like a kingly priestly command to like watch after.
That's what priests do they watch after. I kind of
look at it as it feels to me what happened
when Adam and Eve's sin was Adam humanity gives over
his priestly duty to the Nahash, and he becomes the
god over this world at that point because we gave
up our duty, like we sacrificed our birthright, right. I mean,
I'm sure you're going there with Esau.
Speaker 2: But I see Christ as then.
Speaker 3: Being the completion of the initial commissioning to humanity that
Jesus comes and he picks up the mantle, and he's
the first one to actually pick it up properly, because
up until that point it was just a shadow of
what we were supposed to be. You think that's a
fair approach.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And see, I think that the way I look
at it is like, I kind of hold to the
six day man theory. Also when I read through Genesis,
you know, it says on the sixth day the eloheim said,
let us make man in our image, and it says
male and female he created them, right, and then after
that fact we get the telling of the creation of Adam. Right.
So I've always been told that, oh, that that's just
the retelling the same story but with more detail. Well
there's a problem with that when you go when you
actually read the texts, you don't even have to rely
on it being chronological because it tells you the time
he's gotta be paying attention. It says that he pinched
the clay from the ground formed Adam. He was a
lifeless being until the breath of God was given to him.
But it says all this that the man was created
before there was any vegetation on the ground. The texts
say that, well, we know vegetation was laid out on
day three, So Adam was before the creation of mankind
that was created male and female together. I think that
race of people was the first populace of earth, and
that the Nahsh was king and priest over those people.
And then because as it says, you know, let us
make man in our image. I think Adam was part
of that us An hour. He was a part of
the divine counsel and helped oversee creation, helped name the animals.
It even says, and he's part of that us An
hour that the day sixth man was made in. But
then the fall happens, and then that position was taken
from Satan and then given to Adam. He was now
the king and priest over the people of earth and
got put into the general population with those other people,
is what I believe. And then later we traded that
birthright inheritance, because Paul says, we traded the truth for
a lie. We worshiped the created things instead of the creator,
and that we at some point in time we traded
that back to the Nahash. But with Esau, I said
all that to kind of build up for the whole
serpencyed with Esau. You know he's of that line. They're
trying to get this birthright, this priesthood dominion back, So
of course Satan would want his seed to come out
first and get the birth right. Well, that crazy story
in Genesis, to me, it never made sense. You trade
your birthright for a bowl of stew. That makes no sense.
No one would ever do that modern context. To me,
your father is Donald Trump, You're the eldest son. The
billions of dollars is all going to be yours, the
family business, everything is going to be signed over to you,
your next in line. And you've been out doing real
estate deals with your dad all day and you come
home and your little brother's sitting on the couch eating
no Vaga doritos and you're like, hey, man, I'm starving.
Let me have some of those doritos. He's like, yeah, sure,
just sign over the company and everything you're going to
inherit And then he responds with, ah, what use is
the company and all that money to me when I'm dead?
Just take it. Nobody would do that. And furthermore, he
was the mighty hunter. He was not starving. If he
was hungry, he had went and killed a lion and
had a lyon's steak for supper. This man was not starving.
And while did he make a comment about him dying,
Something's missing. And I found that in the Book of Jashure,
because it says that Nimrod built up jealousy and envy
and hatred against Esau all of his days. Like the Highlander,
there can only be one. Both of them were claiming
to be the mighty hunter, so they wanted to see
who the real mighty man was, and it says that
he Nimrod assembles a hunting party to hunt this beast
of a man, this sasquatch sounding god, to hunt him
down like a beast. It's basically like Guesston going after
the beast and beauty, and the beast try to kill
him to show how mighty and strong he was. But
it says Esau season hides his off at the opportune moment,
jumps out, chops off Neimrod's head, and battles two of
his gibble reim which is the same word you used
to describe the Nephelum giants to the death and kill
them all. But the army that was close by I
heard the screams and come running. But it said that
Esau takes the time to steal Nimrod's garments, to which
he was able to prevail over all the nations. So
it attributes his strength and prowess of his reign to
these garments. I think this is the Ezekiel twenty eight garments,
the garments from the Garden of God, the birthright, and
in that story it says he takes the time to
go to his tent and hide those garments before going
into his brother's tent. So now if we go back
to Genesis, it just says that Esau comes in from
the field exhausted. Yeah, he was exhausted, all right. He
just battled King Neimrod and two of his gibble reim
to the day death, probably sustained some life threatening injuries.
He just killed the king. So now he's a fugitive
on the run, bleeding out, and he's desperate. So he
goes into his brother's tint, and I think the red
stew is basically just for Allegory to give me life
saving care, sustain me, hide me, sew me up, you know,
because he's desperate. He was panicing, and Jacob said, yeah, sure,
I'll help you, but you're going to sign over the birthright.
And that's why he said, what uses a birthright to
me when I'm dead? Take it? And then we see
those garments again with the deception of Jacob and Rebecca,
because you remember she goes they get the goat that
kill the goat and they wrap him in it like
a blanket and his But before she sends him in.
In Genesis, it says she goes into esauce tent and
takes his special garments, the same garments that the Book
of Jasher says he stole from Nimrod and hid in
his tent before trading his birth right. I don't put
him on Jacob.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've pointed this one out too,
But what are your thoughts on him coming in from
the field.
Speaker 4: Yeah, see, I think the coming in from the field
was just picking up from the Book of Jasher. He
had just fought King Nimrod, right, those two giants and
came in from the field, right, you know, exhausted.
Speaker 3: I'll give a second piece of that. The serpent that
comes into the garden to Tim Tadam and Eve comes
in from the field outside of the garden. The other
one is And the reason I brought up Pharaoh earlier
is when Pharaoh oppresses Israel, he puts them to work
out in the field. He removes them from the sanctuary
and puts them out in the field. And when Adam
and Eva removed from the garden, where does that then
put them outside of the garden in the field where
where this where the serpent is from. Right, you see
what I'm saying, Like, I just see that through line
of that that field wilderness concept of me. That's where
the serpent comes in from. That's where Esau comes in from.
That's where Pharaoh puts them out to work. That's like
you see that theme over and over and over again.
So that's just kind of one of those red flags.
I see it and I'm like, oh, there it is again,
you know, like, yeah, I think I think.
Speaker 4: That's the mainline story. Oh yeah, dude, I think so too,
And not because I'm so smart. It's just give it
to me, right, and it's everywhere. It flows like water
through the whole story. Like you had mentioned, Jesus, he
was He's said to be the second Adam. He's the
one that got it right where Adam went wrong. Right,
So he steals the garments from Nimrod, his mother, Rebecca,
steals them from Esau, puts them on Jacob, and he
goes in to deceive and get the birth right and
blessing from his father. Then later, so now that places
the garments in the possession of Jacob, right.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: Later Jacob passed twelve sons, and just like all the archetypes,
his youngest son said he had in his old age
whom he loved exceedingly. What does he get, Benjamin, He
gives him a coat of many colors? Joseph, So is
Joseph the youngest, or is Benjamin the youngest? Joseph Joseph's
the youngest, said he was the child of Joseph's or
Jacob's old age, Israel's old age, whom he loved exceedingly
and bestowed upon him the garments. And I think that's
what those is, because you know barrel onyx Topaz jasper,
this is many colors, that that piece of garment would
be many colored, and.
Speaker 3: Real quick, he's real quick. Benjamin is the youngest, He's
the youngest. Joseph is the second. He is the other
child born to Rebecca. So Benjamin and Joseph, if are
both the they're the only full brothers of that okage. So,
but same thing, I mean, it's from that they're they're
the two youngest. I mean it's the same idea.
Speaker 4: Well I read it. I just thought it was insinuating
he was the youngest, because where it took the time
to say, Jacob, you know, was he was a child
of his old age, you know, whom he loved, exceeding
like he was an accident, like he happened last or something.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, well it is still the older brothers. I
mean it's you know, the older brothers are the one
that put him into slavery. It's the same motif, it's
the same idea. Yeah, but then ben Can gets those garms.
Benjamin's the other one that gets looked down on later
because he's the one that's used as collateral. So like
both of the youngest brothers get put in the worst
position in the story.
Speaker 4: So m m. But but once he puts those garments on,
all kinds of supernatural stuff starts happening. That's when he
starts having those prophetic dreams and he says, you know,
my brothers, I you know, had a vision that the
wheat of the field bowed before me. Well, with the
parable of the wheat and tears, the wheat was the
good line, the tears were the bad line. So the
good line is symbolically bowing to him because he's now
the wire of the garments. He has the crown. So
creation is bowing to him. He said, even the stars
of Heaven bow before me, brothers, and you will bow
before me and serve me. And we know the stars
of heaven was the angelic host. So all of creation's
bound to him because he has the crown, he has
the garments from the Garden of God, I believe. And
that's when they're like, oh, hell no, this dude's got
to go, and the trail might go dead by naming
it outright. But I think there's plenty of hints that
we see throughout the Bible tracing those garments, because Elijah
and Elijah, when the one's taken up in the whirlwind,
what's left behind? It says his mantle. So then what happens.
Elijah takes it and he slaps it onto the Jordan
River and it parts and he gets to cross on
dry land. I think that those are the garments. And
then the Book of Revelation the tide ind like you
were saying, Jesus is the second atom. He comes forward
and succeeds where the first Adam failed. So when he returns,
it says that he's this conquering king that returns. And furthermore,
the Jewish people they believed in two messiahs. They believed
in the Messiah being Joseph Joseph and then the suffering
servant Messiah. So when Jesus returns into Book of Revelation,
he's this conquering king and it talks about this beautiful
garment he has on, and it talks about how you know,
how how ornated is and all this stuff that says
and on the thigh says lord of the king of
kings and Lord of lords, and that the blood stained
was up to the bridle. And you remember when they
took Joseph, they real his coat of many colors and
dipped it in blood and giving back to their father
and said, this is all it's left to your son.
So I think the Jewish people they are so stiff
nicked and rejecting them Siah, but they accepted Joseph as one.
That's what the imagery is pointing to. There. God's telling
his stiff necked people, you know how you believe in
this Josiah Ben Joseph who had the coat of many
colors stained in blood. Well, here I am, and I
think it's describing him wearing those garments, but the blood
stained on it signaling calling back to Joseph, and it's
showing that yes, he is the second atom, he is
the king and priest of creation, and he's going to
succeed where the other failed.
Speaker 2: Very interesting.
Speaker 3: Do you want to ask what are your thoughts on, like,
do you believe that Jasher is scripture or do you
look at it as an extra for biblical text with
historical and like literal value.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, see me, I'm the type of person that
I look at the Bible and I realized that in
its original you know, writing, it was just a bunch
of separate scrolls that a bunch of men gathered together
and decided what was going to go in it. So
do I think that these scrolls were in circulation? I do,
because you have the mention of Jashuer twice in the
Old Testament when it's talking about when the sun stood
still so they could battle the Amalekites, it says, is
this not recorded in the book of Yashar talking about Jasher?
And some people will throw up like carbon dating and
stuff with some of the oldest books of Jashure that
we got and say, oh, well, it was written around
medieval times, so therefore it's a fake and I'm like,
by your logic, we should just throw away not even
read the Bible, because a lot of the things written
in the Bible was written thousands written down thousands of
years later looking back. So you're saying, oh, this text
dates to this time. So if it wasn't written around
the time, so therefore it you know, it's bogus. That
doesn't prove anything. In my opinion, that just proves that's
the oldest copy that you found. Sure so, could there
be an older copy out there somewhere that these were
copied from, or in the very least, they were well
established oral traditions that were later written down. But we
know from the stamping of the Old Testament that they
had a book of jashure. Sure so I tell people
I know how to eat chicken. I'm not afraid to
get outside the fence because I'm prayed up and I
study and seek the truth. But I know how to
eat chicken. So I could eat the meat and throw
the bone over my shoulder and keep going.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be cut up in pretty little
cubes and approved by my pastor for me to even
put it in my mouth. I know how to eat
chicken man, that's what I do. So when I read Jasher, Yeah,
there's some stuff in there that just don't sound right
to me. So I just throw that over my shoulder
like a bone and keep going. But then I find
a lot of stuff that makes a lot of sense,
and it ties directly into Jasher or into Genesis and
these other stories. And they, you know, I mean, like water,
they flow in and out and they fill in all
the gaps perfectly. So those I'll take to me, that's
a piece of meat.
Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of like the modern example I give
people is, you know, like Christian Lands pretty familiar.
Speaker 2: With like C. S. Lewis.
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of books out there, and he's
got some really great stuff written in there, and he's
got some really stupid stuff written in there. And I
can look at them and say, can I find truth
in the writings of C. S.
Speaker 2: Lewis? Yeah? Sure? Can I find junk in the writings
of CSS? Yeah? Sure? Is he scripture?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: But can it be true? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like it can be little t true, Like you know,
like we read history books, we read you know, we
So I just for anybody listening to this that here's
Jasher and they're like, oh, he said, a non biblical
buy or a book, you know, like whatever, like read it,
weigh it against scripture. If it doesn't jive, throw that
part away. If something makes sense, it might fit because
these are people trying to make sense of their past.
I mean, at the very least, if it's a Second
Temple writing book, which you know, we have reason to believe,
like First Enoch is a Second Temple writing book, that's
still Jews who are way closer to that time than
we are now, who have a cultural context, in a
historical context, trying to parse out what they've heard through
their traditions, which is helpful for us understanding certain Biblical concepts.
So it's like you got to read all this stuff
as it was written to be read, you.
Speaker 4: Know, like yes, one hundred percent. Bro. I use this
as an analogy. I tell people, imagine, you know, some
kind of great cataclysm happens and berries America under you know,
hundreds of feet of soil, destroys our civilization. But then
a thousand years later, some archaeologists come over and they
start digging, and let's say they find this huge book
that's the size of a Bible or better and it's
called the Histories of America, and they start reading through
that and they're finding all kinds of stuff about our history,
how we lived, and what we believed, all this kind
of stuff. But then as they're digging around, they find,
you know, a sports illustrated magazine, or they find a
Cosmopolitan or Hollywood Inside or whatever. I hope that those
future archaeologists don't take the mindset of the majority of Christendom,
because the majority of Christendom is the Bible is the
divine inspired Word of God perfect, it never changed. So
if it's not in the Bible, then it's not real.
If it's not in the Bible, it didn't happen. If
you're reading anything other than the Bible, you're wasting your time.
It's like, no. So if you compare that to the
future archaeologists, are those magazines the quote unquote History of America. No,
they're not. But I hope they don't act like the
modern Christians and want to burn them and say they're
other devil. It's not in the Histories of America, so
therefore it's bunk and it's not true. No, by reading
those that might not be the Histories of America but
if you read those magazines, you're sure as hell want
to have a better understanding of the people and the
culture of the time that we lived in, and you're
going to have a lot better grasp of who these
people are, what they did, and their belief systems. So
by avoiding these other quote unquote extra biblical texts, you're
you're remaining You're choosing to remain ignorant and be in
the dark. And like doctor Michael Heizer said, something does
not have to be divine inspired to be important for
historical and cultural context.
Speaker 3: Amen, man, true that. So I'm curious, like maybe maybe
another question worth asking. So let's say Cain is an nephelm, right,
Let's let's let's go down this rabbit hole. Let's say, Hey,
let's let's go with that for a minute. I find
it really interesting that God looks at him and tries
to warn him away from living a life of sin.
Like he looks at Cain and he says, subdue sin.
It's trying to have its way with you, but you
have to conquer it. You have to overcome it. And
that dude, like, I think we look at Nephilim, like
the concept of nephelim as, these like monsters that are like,
they can't be redeemed, they can't be saved. That verse,
if this is legitimate, gives me reason to think even
they could be redeemed. M h.
Speaker 4: That's what I said too, because a lot of those
you know, racist organizations that we talked about earlier, the KKK,
the Nazi Arians, they will take this, you know, idea
and use it to propagate their you know, racist ideas
and stuff. But I tell people, I'm like, I am
a serpent seed guy. I believe Kane was of the devil.
But like you'd mentioned, I talked about in the book,
all those people that want to take that idea and
use it for their racist ends, if they read the Bible,
they'd be shutting themselves, you know, shutting the door in
their face before they even got started. Because if you know,
if they're like this sub human race, damn to hell
and they're not even human, you know, kind of like
some people these racist organizations like to portray they're race wars.
Then why did God reason was Kane? I think you know,
it talks about, you know, the sins of the father
followed the son to the third and fourth generation. Yes,
there's some stuff that travels through the bloodlines, but it
doesn't ultimately damn you. We all have a free will choice.
And I think that Kane was of the devil, but
we see God talking to him and reasoning with him.
Like you said, he was trying to reason with him
and say, hey, man, if you don't do good, will
you not succeed. And if you do bad, will you
not fail. And these feelings that you're having right now,
they're not your own. You must learn to subdue them.
And so I think it was kind of like the
will or the bloodline curse or whatever you want to
call that of the Father. The will of the Father
was kind of looming over Kan and he had a choice,
but he ultimately chose wrong. And the same thing happened
with Esau. When Esau, you know, was quote unquote screwed
out of his birthright, he chose full rebellion and he
brought about the the Edomites, who was a constant thorn
in the side of God's people. And thanks to people
like Gary Wayne that go through the genealogies the boring stuff,
we found some good nuggets he takes once he goes
into the full rebellion. He takes three wives, but two
of those wives are known Nephalum giant clans. There were
the Whrites and the Heavites, And it says in Genesis.
Now you know in your quote unquote Cannon that his
father in law was Sierra, and he reigned from the
land of Mount Sierra. And when you go into the
etymology of that word, that means Harry. So it's describing
a Nephilim giant tribe that has their name attributed to
their hairiness. So if you already have this harry quote
unquote sasquatch looking man named Esau marrying into Nephelim giant
tribes known for their hairiness, you've got a high probability
of throwing some really strange pups, to say the least
here folks. And when you follow that genealogy, he bursts
the Amalekites, And the etymology of that name means the
blood liquors. And according to the medieval rabbis Rashi and
Lewis Ginsburg, Legends of the Jews, and so many other
extra biblical writings, they say that this was a group
of sorcerers and necromancers and even shape shifters. That's why
this is the only group in the Bible where God
calls for the extermination of a people group to them,
he specifically says kill every man, woman, child, and animal
because they were thought to be shape shifters and they
would shape shift into animals to evade capture.
Speaker 3: To think, maybe you know off the top of your head. Oh,
it's the the Moabites where David is told to line
them up by height.
Speaker 2: Have you seen that one? So every two links of
them were put to death and the third length was
allowed to live. So the Moabites became subject to David
and brought them tribute. So if they're above a certain height,
David's supposed to kill the Moabites, but if they're below
a certain height, they could live. That one's wild to
me too, man, like that, Like, there's so much about
these tribes. Does moab fall into that category?
Speaker 4: From Esau tell you truth, I don't know. I've not
left that far.
Speaker 3: That would be interesting off to look into that. But so, dude,
I mean, there's so much to chew on here. I
actually just heard you on NDS talking about vampires a
little bit, and that one was wild too.
Speaker 2: That might be fun in the few true.
Speaker 4: That's book two.
Speaker 2: I'm working on Nice.
Speaker 3: Nice. What's what's the application here? Like, what's what's the
person listening to this? Like how do we how do
we use this? Like how like how how does this
help us better understand God's plan how we're to live?
Speaker 4: Like what would what would you say to me? I'm
just a big history nerd, and I like looking at
all this stuff, and uh, I think it's important. Uh
you know, of course it's not anything to do with
your salvation. But I think once you look into you know,
the sasquatch sound of people, these serpent seeds, and the
nephelum giants, you know, and all this other kind of stuff,
it's the why it is, who and what you know,
God is saving us from. And I think that that's
important and I think it's good moral lesson. As I
mentioned earlier, the macro and microcosms of the family of God,
that's what we're called in. We're caught in a battle
of the birthright, and we're battling with our elder brothers,
and it's a family squabble. But just like Cain, we
all have a choice. And if we go back to
the genealogies and stuff that there is no pure bloods.
I think we're all MutS, but we all have a choice,
a free will choice, and at the cross that was
for everyone. And I tell people kind of at the
end of the book, you know, like moral you know takeaways,
We get into all this weird fringy stuff, but then
I tie it together with a moral means at the end,
and basically I tell people, you know, your inheritance, your
birthright is a seat at the table at God's family dinner.
When we were created, we were created to be a
happy family living together on the mountain of God in
harmony with our brothers and sisters. Like all family feuds,
it ripped a family in two and we lost our
seat at the table because of it. And when we
read the scripture, basically it's about the opportunity of rejoining
the family of God, regaining our seat back at that
divine council and help rule with our heavenly Father and
our elder brothers. So that's the return to Eden. And
just like the parable of the prodigal son, the wayward son,
he come in humble to hisself and asked for forgiveness
and a just an opportunity to serve at his father's table,
but he's accepted back as an equal. It says, a
signet ring of authority and a cloak of authority is
put back on the younger brother, and he's welcomed back
into the family of God with open arms. That's our story, folks.
And we can't be like Esaul who was so worldly,
worried about himself and his personal gain and the ways
of this world and being so shortsighted. Don't trade your
birthright for a stinking bowl of suit. People, your birth right,
your seat at the chair at the family dinner of God,
don't trade that for anything earthly. And don't be like
you saw. Don't be so stubborn and set in your
ways that you just choose open rebellion against your heavenly
father that the road does not end.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fantastic, man, that you just reminded me the
whole the bowl of soup.
Speaker 2: I hate to keep pulling on C. S.
Speaker 3: Lewis ritings, but one that always stuck out to me
is where he relates us to we're like kids playing
in a gut or making mud pies that if somebody
came up and offered us a ticket on a vacation.
We wouldn't even take it because we have no comprehension
of what that even means. That's how fallen we are.
When when Jesus comes about and and asks us, you know,
to believe in him, to put our faith in him
to have salvation, Like, that's why we need him to
like interact in our lives and bring us to life,
right because we're just so we're so hung up on
the world. We got to get away from the world.
We got to trust in Jesus. So I love it, dude.
That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: This is fun stuff. It's a lot to chew on it,
and it just keeps opening up new doors that then
you have to go down. And that's all things like
conspiracy fringe related. It seems like one thing opens, another
thing opens another thing. But that's why it's so fun too.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I think you quoted on on that episode with Tim
Constantine talking about you know, it's the glory of God
to conceal a thing, but it's the glory of kings
to seek it out. And that's what this is all
about here, man. We're just seeking, we're just looking, and
at the end of the day, it's all about Jesus,
and I'm super grateful for you, brother. This is a
really fun stuff, So thank you.
Speaker 2: That you have me on.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's the thing. It's it's the glory of
God to conceal a thing, but the glory of kings
that search things out. You know. That's what it says.
Knock the door will be open, seeking, you shall find,
ask it shall be given. Yeah, someone can eat a
great steak dinner, you know, from a five star restaurant
every single day, and it'd be a good dinner. But
if you have somebody that, like you mentioned the mud Pies,
You've had somebody that's just stay McDonald's their whole life,
and they've watched that building. They know what's in there
and what it's about, what food they got, and then
they finally get to sit at that table, that dinner's
gonna taste a hell of a lot more better to
them because they know what the mud Pies are like.
And I think that's why to me it's important because
I get a lot of people tell me, you know,
giants and UFOs and all this weird stuff you talk about,
it's unimportant, you know, I don't think it matters, is
the gospel of Jesus Christ, and if you're talking to
anybody on the internet, it should just be preaching of
Jesus because the other stuff just doesn't matter. It's like, yeah,
but to me, that equates to the person just sitting
down and eating steak every single day. The Christians that
actually seek and find all these whys, you know, like
why we get this steak dinner, why this thing is
so much better than this greasy cheeseburger next door from
McDonald Those whys help improve your worldview and increases your
appreciation and draws you closer in relationship to the Father,
has been my experience.
Speaker 3: I think there's another huge piece there too, men, is
I think for those of us who just shut all
this stuff down and go I'm not even going to
I'm not even gonna look at that. Number one, I
think you have forsaken what it means to be Breen,
which is something that Paul literally like, he commends it.
Speaker 2: He's happy they did it.
Speaker 3: They eagerly listened to every everything he had to say,
even though they didn't agree with him yet, which means
that's part of how we're supposed to be right. Yes,
And I think part of Why that's so important is
if you shut these conversations down and you're not willing
to even engage, you've destroyed the effectiveness of your witness
to the people who are in these worldviews, who are
down the rabbit hole, who maybe don't know Jesus, how
are you going to talk to the person at the
bottom of the rabbit hole if you're not willing to
stick your foot in it, you know what I mean,
or to holler down it, you know what I mean. Like,
you've got to engage on some level. You got to
be willing to hear people where they're at and be
able to speak their language. That's what missionaries do, right,
They go and they speak the language of a people
in a foreign land to preach the gospel of them.
It's the same way with philosophical ideas, Right, We've got
to meet people where they're at.
Speaker 2: And I think this stuff's huge for that man, So
I love it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I agree with what I percent.
Speaker 3: You want to give anybody a kind of shout out
on what they can do to you know, support you,
support your channel, follow you, get more information from you
where they can find your book, all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, man, I appreciate it, and hopefully this is
the first of many. And if you ever want to
come up for my house and play for a playdate,
I'm always down for playdates.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, dude.
Speaker 4: If you enjoyed this stuff. Man, this, like I said,
this is like a fourteen to fifteen chapter book. We
scratched the surface of maybe two chapters today, super deep.
Like I said, this was a two year obsession of mine,
the epic of e sawbirth Right and seed War. You
can find that on my website, Prometheus Lyn's podcast dot com.
You can get a signed copy with stickers and bookmarks,
all kinds of cool little customized grab back stuff for
you if you get it directly from me, or you
can go to Amazon and get it there physical, digital
and audio. And it's me reading it. No AI crap.
So you get this Southern twang soothing you to sleep,
just don't listen past eight o'clock. I will put you
to sleep, yeah, man, And I do every Sunday night
on my YouTube channel at eight pm Eastern Standard we
are actually doing a live study on Lewis Ginsburg, Legends
of the Jews and some of the stuff that I've
been talking about here. So every Sunday night at eight o'clock,
a big group of us get together. There's usually eighty
or one hundred people in the chat and we just
read the texts and have discussions and the members listen
and they throw in their comments or ask their questions,
and we just have an open study. Man, it's a
lot of fun. And then I have a recorded show
that I put out every Monday at eight o'clock also,
So come join us on the hero's journey. Man.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you having me absolutely.
Speaker 3: Man. Let's do it again sometime. And until then, y'all
stay salty, stay lit, stay buren. We'll catch you next thing.
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