WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:06.519 This is the Doctor Sky experience. Always look to the 2 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:14.039 sky seventy seven WABC. Now here's Doctor Sky. 3 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:28.640 Like travels billions of years just so we can watch 4 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:38.039 a star say goodbye. But in this darkness, every end 5 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:44.320 is just the beginning of something beautiful. 6 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:54.719 Thirty two minutes after the hour, we're proviadent on it 7 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:57.840 to have on the line two very special guests, author 8 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:01.359 and space historian Rod Pyle, and also very much honored 9 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:06.079 to have retired United States Air Force Camplin Ed Dwyight. 10 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:09.840 His story is most amazing. In nineteen sixty one, at 11 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:12.040 the direction of President John F. Kennedy, he became the 12 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:14.959 first African American to enter the Air Force training program 13 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:18.599 from which NASA selected its astronauts, and often and not 14 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:21.439 to be overly repeated, becoming the oldest person to ever 15 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:25.000 participate in a spaceflight, a record previously held by William 16 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:28.519 Shatner in a launch in Blue Origins NS twenty five 17 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:31.680 mission in twenty twenty four. Gentlemen, thank you for being 18 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:34.400 with us. Let's continue with the phone calls. They rule 19 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:36.319 here in the theater of the mind. Line number three. 20 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:38.799 We go to Joan in New York City. Good morning, John, 21 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:39.200 how are you. 22 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:42.200 Oh, good morning, doctor Sky. I have a couple of 23 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:47.040 questions for you. I've heard on NPR that there's going 24 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:52.719 to be a partial soul eclipse on August twelfth, and 25 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:56.719 much bigger, not quite total, but a lunary eclipse on 26 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:01.480 August twenty seventh or twenty eight. So what can you 27 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:04.760 tell us? Where are the best places on Earth to 28 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:09.599 view these where you would get the largest eclipse. And 29 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.919 they said something intriguing which I didn't quite understand. Maybe 30 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.360 you understand what they meant. They said that a lunary 31 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:20.280 eclipse always follows a solar eclipse, and I don't know 32 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.240 what that means eventually, Yeah, yes. 33 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:25.560 Vice versa. But let me start off briefly. This is 34 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:28.240 what's happening August twelfth, coming up right around the corner. 35 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:31.400 There'll be a total solar eclipse for lucky people in Europe, 36 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:35.039 particularly Spain, and we here in the New York area 37 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:37.840 or the East Coast virtually have no ability to see 38 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:40.759 any partiality of this, but the big one. Not to 39 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.000 take time from our great guests here, but the subject 40 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:46.759 is in accordance with what we're talking about, space science, astronomy. 41 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:50.960 August two, twenty twenty seven. If you're in an area 42 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:53.520 called Luxor Egypt, you'll get to see the longest total 43 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:56.360 solar eclipse of all. But what happens there is a 44 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.439 symbiosis or a connection. When there is a total eclipse 45 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:03.319 of the Sun or partial, you usually get one that 46 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:06.800 happens some fourteen days later due to the alignment of 47 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:10.080 the planetary system. So we appreciate Joan. You have a 48 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:12.319 question though, regarding what we're talking about with. 49 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:16.479 Ed and also with Oh just congratulations to that man, 50 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:22.039 the oldest man in space. I can't imagine having the freedom, 51 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.400 the courage, your duty to go up in space. And 52 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:26.800 I'm a little younger than you and not a lot, 53 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.719 so congratulations to you. And also being the first African 54 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:34.159 American in the program. I think that's fabulous. So thank 55 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:34.680 you for that. 56 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:37.800 Thank you, thank you so much, and I hope I 57 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:41.080 answered you. Let's continue on line. The time is limited. 58 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:44.039 Line one, Greg and Michigan calls in again. Good morning, Greg, 59 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:46.360 you're on with two very interesting guests. 60 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:51.759 I'm sure, good morning everybody. Mister positive boomshaka laka. I've 61 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:56.400 got to ask you, guys, the question of the universe. 62 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:00.520 Is it infinite and if it is made by my God, 63 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:02.759 can it be infinite? 64 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:06.840 Very interesting. I don't know, Rod, you want to jump 65 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:08.360 on that one because I'm going to try to get 66 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:11.599 into more of the space conversation. But go ahead, this 67 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:13.120 is interesting your thoughts on this. 68 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.319 I wouldn't touch that with a ten light year long 69 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:24.399 tall you know alious religious persons, so I'm probably not 70 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:24.959 the right out. 71 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:28.560 Well, captain, please jump in. I mean it's your time 72 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:30.519 on stage on the in the theater of the mine. 73 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:30.879 Go ahead. 74 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:35.399 No, no, I couldn't answer that question, but you know 75 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:37.879 I could answer the question you asked, what was my 76 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.000 experience on the on the recent on my recent flight. 77 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:42.839 Yeah, you know. 78 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:46.040 At launch when when? 79 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:47.120 When? When? 80 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:52.279 When the booster lit? I uh, we have seventy feet 81 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:56.079 here in this in this capsule and boos. When the 82 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:58.879 booster lied, I thought the damn thing blew. I thought 83 00:04:58.920 --> 00:04:59.879 the whole ship blew. 84 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:00.800 Jeez. 85 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.560 And I said to myself, well, I'm going to become 86 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:06.920 a cristling to the ground any minute now. And I've 87 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.800 lived a good life. I'm paying this to myself. And 88 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.680 next thing, you know, this thing starts lifting up into 89 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.399 the sky. And I said, oh, I said, oh, this 90 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:16.439 is how it works. 91 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:20.480 That's amazing. So when you get to the top, when 92 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:22.160 you get to the Apoge, I mean you go up 93 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:25.120 about what about fifty some miles or that line in 94 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.439 space is probably fifty sixty. 95 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:33.079 Miles right right. And so I am sitting on top 96 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:38.199 of the explosive bolt is right below my butt, and 97 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:42.040 the exposed the boat to separation booster from the capsule exploded, 98 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:44.439 and so I said, well, they didn't get me the 99 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:47.680 first time, They got me this time. And the next thing, 100 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.800 you know, this this booster starts moving away from the capsule. 101 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.120 And I was sitting there absolutely amazed, and I got 102 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:57.879 a chance to look down at the Earth, and I 103 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.480 looked at this wonderful little I've seen the curvature of 104 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:05.959 the Earth obviously as a test about it, but seeing 105 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:09.560 the Earth from from that distance, so you got this wonderful, neat, 106 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:14.920 little well ordered ball down there. There's spectacular and view 107 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:20.199 everything is organized and beautiful, and it's just incredible, and 108 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:24.439 there's no boundaries between countries and states and all this 109 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:28.079 sort of thing, you know, And I got I got 110 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:32.680 an incredibly spiritual moment at that point in time, and 111 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:36.519 I just could not imagine why why these people on 112 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:38.480 that little ball down there I can't get along with 113 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:38.959 each other? 114 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:43.079 And I wow, that's an amazing statement, my friend, You're 115 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.199 so correct. I mean, eight eight point seven billion people 116 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:49.879 routing it, that's amazing. Why do I have to have wars? 117 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:51.920 Why can't we just be like you said? 118 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:55.680 Why can't we all just And I came to the 119 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:59.839 conclusion that every elected official needs at least three orbits 120 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:06.560 on this earth, and all the bs well, it won't stop, 121 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:09.839 but it will certainly slow down, uh, you know, trying 122 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:12.600 to kill each other and do all these incredibly bad 123 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:17.759 things to each other. Just it was my it was 124 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:21.279 worth all all that whole life that I've lived just 125 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:24.920 that few seconds of looking at the earth and from 126 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.720 that distance, and it just it was ever a movie. 127 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:30.160 And you already changed a lot of my values and 128 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.199 things about what this earth and everything is all about. 129 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:37.120 Actually, absolutely right, Captain again, thanking you for your service 130 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:39.519 and all the people in all the branches, men and 131 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:43.199 women of course, right dedication to America. I'm going to 132 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:44.720 ask you this quick question. We'll go back to the 133 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.000 callers and we'll get a ride involved. And sure he 134 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:51.839 has a number of questions too. Shock Yeger and General 135 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:56.879 Curtis LeMay or what instrumental in moving forward your ability 136 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:00.319 to become the first African American American astron in the 137 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:03.920 training program. Talk about that because I've had Chuck here 138 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:07.160 before he passed, and he was a tough cookie to interview. Boy, 139 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:08.639 I'll tell you I didn't get a lot of words 140 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:10.360 out of him. All he ever said to me he 141 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:13.800 was yep, nope, I wanted to get more. 142 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:14.800 But is that true. 143 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:17.560 These guys were involved in you were moving up the line. 144 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.720 No, these guys were the guys that stopped. 145 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:23.439 Yeah. 146 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:25.399 He was very upset. 147 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:27.079 I'm sorry. 148 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:30.000 Yeah. 149 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:36.759 Yeager was livid that that president didn't make him the 150 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:40.799 first astronaut or put him on that astronaut team. He 151 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:42.120 was very bitter about that. 152 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:43.519 Wow, I didn't know. 153 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:47.759 Yeah, and the fact that he was that the president 154 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:54.320 would cho the black uh candidate. The steam came out 155 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:58.080 of this guy's ears and practically coming down to test 156 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:00.480 by the school, he had a meeting with with the 157 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:04.399 new students and the instructor staff and he told these 158 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:09.720 guys that the president is trying to use him the 159 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:12.279 end where he's trying to cram an in word down 160 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:16.360 our throats and if we allow this guy to do this, 161 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:19.440 the President's going to take the whole uh make the 162 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:20.840 whole space program. Black. 163 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:23.360 Well, I'm sorry to hear that, but truth is the 164 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:26.360 best thing of all, Captain, because let me say this now, 165 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.919 I have to consider myself an apology to the audience. 166 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.679 You can't always believe everything you read here. So that's 167 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:34.720 what I was reading. And again I'm dead wrong on that. 168 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:35.519 Sorry to hear that. 169 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.799 Well, all through test about the school, he called me 170 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.960 into his office every week and told me to my 171 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:44.639 faith that I was not worthy, I shouldn't have been there, 172 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:50.120 and the President's going to kill me. And it just 173 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:55.039 went on through my whole training, and he was running 174 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:59.080 around talking about how how inadequate I was. Out of 175 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:01.440 my test potic clas as there was seventeen in the class, 176 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:05.240 and I graduated seventh out of that seventeen. And I 177 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:07.639 erupted in these days at the end, at the end 178 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:09.879 of the thing that as it was, there were ten 179 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:12.320 there were ten white guys that were below me, and 180 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:18.039 it was your rating system that did this. Yeah, sorry 181 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:18.440 to hear that. 182 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:23.320 And God blessed because nowadays everybody not because of the race, color, 183 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:26.600 or creed. They should be given what obviously equal opportunity 184 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:31.000 men and women to aspire based on their credibility, their scores, 185 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:33.519 and their ability to do the job, which is a 186 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.399 tough one. I'm sure, Ron, I'm sure you have a 187 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:39.360 quick comment or too, because the quick comment it almost 188 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:41.159 sets us up to the next break here in about 189 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:41.840 a minute and a half. 190 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:47.320 Please continue, I do so, Captain Dwight. I have a question. 191 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:49.639 I mean, you were a pioneering flight test, you were 192 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:55.279 a potential astronaut candidate. No thanks to those guys, but 193 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:59.000 why do you think it took another twenty two years 194 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:01.879 to get a person of color in space in the 195 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:03.080 American space program? 196 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:04.080 Great question? 197 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:08.639 Well, okay, okay, that is a great question. Because all 198 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:13.080 through my training, the President brought me to Washington every 199 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:15.720 weekend to meet with the Senators. This was a big 200 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:20.679 political move. I met with almost all the Senators trying 201 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:24.279 to get political with the President, trying to get political support. 202 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:27.080 I only met with the househole leadership because of four 203 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.480 than thirty five member members of that so I couldn't 204 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:36.919 meet with all those guys as a political move to 205 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:43.759 move this whole black astronaut or blacks in space idea 206 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:47.679 along and from the time I got every one of 207 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:51.159 the senators that I spoke to and how this twenty 208 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:54.320 year thinking, every single one of them wished me well 209 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:57.279 good luck, but you know you're twenty years too soon, 210 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:03.279 every single seven. And it was this twenty year thing. 211 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:06.720 And then Lewis and Clark were the last great pioneers. 212 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:10.360 So this whole thing. America was one hundred percent against 213 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:13.759 this whole thing, and it was just too soon. And 214 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:16.440 there was no way that they were going to allow 215 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.919 a black to be involved, and he's already asked form 216 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.000 out selections, so they had to move the thing back 217 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:30.039 so that space was well exploited. And then you bring 218 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:33.639 the blacks and the women in and I faced that 219 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:35.200 the whole time I was in the program. 220 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:38.279 Well, gentlemen, we have to take that break again. Apologies 221 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:40.320 for cutting anybody short, but we do have a ton 222 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:42.399 of callers that would like to get in on the conversation. 223 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.440 We'll be right back here on the Doctor Sky Experience. 224 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:47.759 If you've called in, we'll do our very best to 225 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:50.120 get you on with your questions and comments in the 226 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:52.960 Theater of the Mind on the Doctor Sky Experience. 227 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:59.480 This is the Doctor Sky experience. Always look to the sky. 228 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:06.279 Seventy seven WABC. Now here's Doctor Sky. 229 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:10.000 Listen. Captain Jim Lovell, an old astronaut, has made four 230 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:14.080 very significant flights. Hopefully that the people listening, especially the 231 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:16.720 young people, will get a good education kind of follow 232 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:18.759 me in space. And it was a pleasure to be 233 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:21.480 on the Doctor Sky's show. And lots of LEU. Call 234 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:21.720 of you. 235 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:25.159 Forty seven minutes after the hour, we continue with the 236 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:28.639 callers our two very special guests, author and space historian 237 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:32.960 Rod Pyle and Ed Dwight, retired United States Air Force 238 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:36.879 Captain Ed Dwight, one of the original astronauts, the African 239 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:40.279 American astronauts to be put into the space program and 240 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:44.440 also the oldest person to participate in the spaceflight, beating 241 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:48.320 out the age of William Shanner. Let's continue online. Number three. 242 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:51.720 Welcome Dominic in New Jersey. You're on with our great guests. 243 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:55.559 How are you hello, Doctor Scott and all your guests 244 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:58.720 are amazing as always of you keep me up late 245 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.720 at night being that you do have all those great, 246 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:03.320 great guests, so thank you. 247 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:05.679 I do want to ask. 248 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.080 Captain dwighte again, this is Dominic and it's really an 249 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:13.000 honor to speak to you. I was reading a bit 250 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:15.679 about you, and I see how long you trained for 251 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:18.759 space flight back in the sixties, but you know that 252 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:23.600 you finally flew at ninety was the New Shepherd spacescraft 253 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:27.679 spacecraft like a more forgiving ride than what you trained 254 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:30.279 for back then, like with the G forces and like 255 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:34.559 the vibration and physical stress of the launch. And at 256 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:36.960 any point did you think, Wow, I'm like ninety years 257 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:39.399 old and I'm actually doing this, or like thought twice 258 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:43.200 about growing up? Thank you for for answering my questions. 259 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:48.120 Woh, captain human side of this, This is cool. 260 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:57.559 Yeah, I never flew, you know, in the New Shepherd, 261 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:02.080 So I can't answer. I can't answer that question. Uh, 262 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:09.919 can you give me the second question again? 263 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:12.320 I guess dominate, go ahead. I'm sorry. We had too 264 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:14.279 many things that we could try to get through in 265 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:15.759 a short time. What was the second time? 266 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:16.720 Go ahead? 267 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:17.879 Yeah? 268 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.600 No, So my my question is when you flew up 269 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:25.919 with the UH with the flue origin, right, was that 270 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:29.159 spacecraft a little bit more forgiving bride than what you 271 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:31.840 trained for back when you were a young man, like 272 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:35.120 especially the g's forces or the vibration and things like that, 273 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:38.480 being that it was newer technology, right, So I was 274 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:41.919 just wondering what your thoughts were with like the advancement 275 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:44.519 of what we have now versus Ben. I mean, I 276 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:47.679 know it didn't any easier, but he. 277 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.480 Never flew the first time. He never flew the first time. 278 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.879 But yeah, Captain your experiences, how was the G force 279 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:54.720 on what you flew on? 280 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:57.480 I guess it was the training, the training that he had. 281 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:03.600 Yeah, the G forces in in the spaceships, it is 282 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:08.120 really negligible. I mean, you know, I pulled up up 283 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.240 to ten twelve z's when I was flight testing, So 284 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.799 that's a totally different matter that the G forces in 285 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:19.480 these space in the spacecraft doesn't come anywhere near you know, 286 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:23.159 those kind of G forces that we experienced as hard 287 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:26.600 as hard nosed fighter pilots where we're doing flight testing 288 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:37.720 and stuff. So there's really no comparison. The uh, it's 289 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:40.240 just not a factor. I'll just put it to you 290 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:40.639 that way. 291 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:43.559 I'm just said, thank you, Dominic and New Jersey appreciate 292 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:46.960 you and your commentary. I got to ask you this, Captain, 293 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:49.039 the type of airplace you say test pilot, what are 294 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:50.960 some of the aircraft that you flew, because I'm sure 295 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.279 many people out there may or may not have the 296 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:56.039 vast experience in aviation. Describe some of them that you flew. 297 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:56.919 I'm amazed to hear this. 298 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:04.799 I ended up playing twenty five different airplanes, from from 299 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:11.680 from small planes up to a flud B fifty two's, 300 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.799 and then flight testing, you know, one thirty five, which 301 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.759 was the largest planes. I mean, you know, flying a 302 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.279 B fifty two is like driving around in an apartment building. 303 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:27.680 The pictures I've seen them, and they're called, as you know, sir, 304 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.559 there's an acronym. We won't use the real description, but 305 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:32.920 it's the b U f F the buff and I 306 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:36.519 don't describe it because it uses some letters pay together 307 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:38.400 bad words that we don't say on the radio. 308 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:43.039 But yeah, yeah, I ended up playing all the fighters, 309 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:46.079 all one hundred series fighters, and they've been in earlier 310 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:52.680 and some of the World War Two fighters flud. 311 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:54.799 And so. 312 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:59.960 It's just hard to, you know, to evaluate that whole range. 313 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:02.839 These most pilots going in the military and they fly 314 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:06.519 one airplane their whole career, you know, variations of the 315 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:11.039 same airplane their entire twenty thirty year career. And I 316 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:14.960 was really lucky, and it was really really unusual. And 317 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.759 I was in these various and Sunday situations where I 318 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:21.720 was on the base and I was some of them 319 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.559 was out of sheer curiosity because I wanted to build 320 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:27.519 up my flying time. So I went volunteered to fly 321 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:31.640 other airplanes other than you know, you know, my main airplanes. 322 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:34.119 So that's how I ended up flying twenty five different 323 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:39.200 airplanes from light light airplanes up up up to be 324 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:44.839 fifty two's and which was really fascinating, fascinating flying career. 325 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:47.160 And I was I was able to see how the 326 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:50.960 different airplanes interacted. And like the Airport four, everybody talks 327 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:53.920 about that there's the worst airplane in the world. It 328 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:56.359 flies straight, yes. 329 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:00.640 The manned missile, So you're. 330 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:04.200 Right twice the speed of some but don't try to 331 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:04.640 turn it. 332 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:08.519 Captain. I got one more thing, and I want to 333 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:11.759 get Rught in before the hour ends. And again my 334 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:14.680 thank you honoring your service in the military and what 335 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:17.319 you've done and what you continue to do here. It's 336 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:20.119 just an amazing, amazing story. You know, I was close 337 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:22.440 with many of the Tuskegee airmen here in Arizona. I 338 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:24.440 don't know if you ever knew the gentleman Bob Ashby. 339 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:33.319 My god, Hey, my friend Bob and I, Hey what 340 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:35.480 we did? Look the audience, we're going to go. I 341 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:37.119 wish we had fifty hours with you, but here it 342 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:39.079 is real quick. What we did. We hooked at with 343 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:42.079 the company and the Philippines that made these incredible models. 344 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:44.920 So as an honor to the Tuskegee Airman, the redtail 345 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:47.920 pilot says, you know, we did one for Bob Ashby. 346 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:51.440 But sadly, Bob, like yourself, tells us the story of 347 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:55.160 horrible discrimination because he was a command pilot on a 348 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:58.400 major airline. I won't mention it. He barely got into 349 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:01.480 that seat in the command seat because of the horrible discrimination. 350 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:04.160 So that's a story, you bet. 351 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:10.359 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Sorry, Bob and I were really 352 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:11.279 really close by the. 353 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:15.759 Way, Okay, we got some go ahead. 354 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:18.400 I guess it just may not be the most appropriate. 355 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:21.319 It's not a space question. But you know they called 356 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:23.480 the F one O for the widow Maker. Was there 357 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:24.440 a good reason for that? 358 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:26.240 Yeah, it's true. 359 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:32.160 Uh yeah, because if you didn't know, if you weren't 360 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:37.160 on it every minute with that airplane, I mean it could, 361 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:38.720 it could and would kill you. 362 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:39.519 Uh. 363 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:43.039 And and they were using it for for loyal over 364 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:47.519 d landings and preparation for the Space Shuttle and test 365 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:49.720 bout the school. They were using the F one o four. 366 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:53.039 We'd go to thirty thousand feet and shift the engine 367 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:55.119 off and landing. 368 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:55.599 Uh. 369 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:01.000 They are plenty of three hundred miles an hour. And everybody, 370 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:06.079 everybody in the tests arena there that got killed. Several 371 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:10.200 guys got killed. Out of my classmates, seventeen of this 372 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:16.000 graduated and within three years only eight of us were left. 373 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:17.400 That's amazing. 374 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:18.480 You know. 375 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:20.799 I got one closing thing to mention here, that F 376 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:23.079 one o four. I don't know, Captain, if you were 377 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:26.119 familiar with General Steve Ritchie, the Air Force ACE in Vietnam. 378 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:28.599 He and I were friends and he sent me down. 379 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:31.279 We went to visit in Florida. They had a detachment 380 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:34.839 of fe O fours called Starfighters. And at one time 381 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:36.720 you said to me, how about a ride in the 382 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:38.880 back seat? And I said to him, in my very 383 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:44.720 simple way, Hell, no getting me in the back seat. 384 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:51.240 But what a beautiful looking airplane? Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. 385 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:53.920 I'm sorry, No, I'm sorry, But what I want to 386 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:56.319 mention this is most important your website. I want to 387 00:21:56.359 --> 00:21:59.920 mention ed Dwight d w I g HD dot com. 388 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:02.799 You can learn so much more, ladies and gentlemen about 389 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:07.079 his artistic side, the artistic side of this American hero, 390 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:09.599 as I like to call you, and again, sir, thank 391 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:12.880 you for your service to the United States. And again, ay, 392 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:15.839 discrimination never be the path in this country ever. Again, 393 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:19.279 it should be based on our character, our abilities, and 394 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:21.039 that simply should be why it should be. And we 395 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:24.640 could add in another thing, talking about truth and justice. 396 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:27.440 That's the thing we need. Rod Byle, You're going to 397 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:30.559 continue with me in hour number two, but Edward, I 398 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:32.599 just want to say one thing. Thank you so much. 399 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:34.640 If you have a closing comment, you have the floor, 400 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:37.680 and folks, if we haven't gotten to you, we'll definitely 401 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:40.599