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Speaker 2: Indeed, off of a weekend that has seen no winner.

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In the main event for Manny Pacquiao and Mario Barrios,

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as the pac Man came out of a four year

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retirement at forty six years of age, woke good, showed

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some stamina, but ultimately didn't do enough to sway the

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judges to get his hand raised for the WBC welterweight title.

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Mario Barrios retains he did enough, especially late in the fight,

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to keep his title via a majority drawl. We're ready

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to talk about that. We're ready to talk about Alexander

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the Great. Alexander Usik of Ukraine makes it six or

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six in the modern here against the British heavyweight fighters

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as he knocks out and ends any doubt about whether

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he's the undisputed heavyweight champ, beating Daniel Dubois in the

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fifth round at Wimbley Stadium once and for all, silencing

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all the chirping about how Dubois might have some chance

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this goal round against a guy that right now, in

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the modern history of the heavyweight division of the last

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ten or fifteen years, you got to say this is

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the guy, this is the guy. Why Because Anthony Joshua

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looked like he might be the guy. Tyson Ferior looked

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like he might be the guy. In both of their cases,

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they've lost twice and now Dubois lost twice. Usick again

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six and zero world heavyweight title fights with yet another

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win in an all time place in history for him

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as a cruiserweight undisputed champion, a heavyweight undisputed champion. We're

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gonna talk more about that fight, recap the whole weekend.

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Great win for Sebastian Fundora. Back to Las Vegas and

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the Pacqui al Barrios card, Fundora defeating Tim Zu for

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the second time by knockout. I'll be the first one

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to admit I thought Zoo would get his revenge in

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this battle with Hondora, the six foot six inch junior middleweight,

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but Fondora was too good, too strong, and made Zu

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quit on the stool. So we're ready to talk about

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that as well. Plus Jesse Bam Rodriguez becomes unified at

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one hundred and fifth dean pounds at junior bantamweight with

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a tenth round TKO win in his title fight with

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a South African little known opponent named Kafu in Frisco, Texas,

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so we are ready to recap all of that. It

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of the recap pod here because we have done the

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With Pacquiao's return the battle with Barrios, Dan, I will

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tell you on the front end believes the decision was wrong, wrong,

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and that Manny Pakiao should have gotten his hand raised

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and become the second oldest world champion in the history

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of boxing, only only Ian Bernard Hopkins. You're gonna hear

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him talking about that. So you'll hear from Dan on

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that subject. The rest of the fight card, including Fondora's win,

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Isaac Pittbull Cruise winning on the undercard, what else he

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thought of the undercard there? Dan will have thoughts as well.

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On Alexander Usik's knockout win of Daniel Dubois. We'll go

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of Dan's inside if you did not catch it, and

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feed to that in first time that you're going to

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hear from Xander Ziaz, the unbeaten Puerto Rican American who

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will now battle for the vacant WBO version of the

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one hundred and fifty four pound title. This is the

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belt that Sebastian Fondora gave up when he did not

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want to fight Zias in a two belt title fight

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with Zias being the mandatory challenger or at least being

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the number one fighter, so he instead won to fight

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Tim Zoo in the rematch, so Fondora had to vacate,

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and now Xander Ziaz will fight Jorgey Garcia of Mexico,

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who stunningly upset Charles Conwell of the United States earlier

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what Ricky has to say about does he belong in

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a heavyweight top ten list? I can tell you Dan

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he does not have him in a top ten, even

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off this victory. Still needs to see more top ten

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you enjoyed this past week hearing from Manny Pacquiao, from

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Mario Barrios, Alexander Usik, and Bam Rodriguez all in separate

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all right, So let's get into it. Twelve round draw

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as we did this live on Saturday night again. To

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here when Dan was in the media center after everything

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so on that. Dan will also have thoughts on Fondora's

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Where does Fondora go from here? Is that it for

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as we began with the conversation about Pakiao and Barrios

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and the draw on the paki. How Barrios the arena

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channing for paki? How give us a bigger taste? We

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how amazing at forty six that he lasted the twelve

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rounds and was that competitive? What are your thoughts?

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section who we all had many winning the fight. A

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to three, and it was very shocked when not only

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had given it to Mario Barrio So that was a

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out to be a draw and we just wrapped up

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the press conference. So Barrios I came here, he said

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beginning of the show. On the official cards, all three

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judges gave Barrios the tenth, the eleventh, and the twelfth.

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the line. Had Pacqui how gotten two of those judges

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ecstatic number one, But from a historical perspective, he would

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have broken his own record as the oldest fighter to

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win his other right world title. He had set that

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record when he defeated Keith Thurman at age forty now

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would be aged forty six. He also would have been

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the second oldest fighter in boxing history to win a

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major world title. He would have been right behind Bernard

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Hopkins in between the two times that Bernard Hopkins did that.

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so you're disappointed that you didn't get to win and

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that you didn't get the title, But do you take

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any solace from that you didn't lose? I mean, you

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get punched up, and and you did. You know, you

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look good. You know a lot of us we all

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thought you won the fight. So do you take any

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silver lining in that. He was like, you know, he

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thought about it. He's like, you know, I'm just I'm

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glad that we put on a good fight. I did

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the best I could. He said that a few different times.

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cod feature win by Sebastian Fundora, who scores a TKO

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over Tim Zoo. He dropped Zoo in the first with

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a straight left hand. He heard him a couple of

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rallied in the seventh round. Great toe to toe action

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in the seventh round, and then Dan Zoo looked like

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he was somewhat concussed. At the end of the seventh round.

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it on TV, I don't know what you saw in

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the arena. And then they wave the fight off in

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between rounds. What's your reaction? Most importantly, Fondora won the fight,

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what's your reaction?

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Speaker 3: I thought Fondora fought a great fight. I mean the

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first time around. There was obviously the massive gash that

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he suffered at the end of the second round. That

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totally changed a fight, because through round one and most

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of round two, as we've discussed, I thought Fundora was

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getting his ass kicked in that final I thought Zoo

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was about to stop him. But no such issue this time.

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that last night was made on ten days notice. It's

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a lot easier for Frondora, I believe, to adjust to

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a Zoo sized opponent than it would have been for

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Zoo to adjust to the gigantic six foot six Fundora

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on short notice. Couldn't use that as an excuse. There

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was no cut or anything like that in this particular fight,

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and he had plenty of time to prepare for the fight.

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I thought he got battered, he got beat down, he

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got bloodied, and I think I think him and his

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team just realized I can't do anything. I'm not there's

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no I have no there's no I have no answers

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for anything, so I don't I didn't see the video.

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I don't know if it was the trainer that pulled

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him at or Zoo himself.

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Speaker 2: So he walked back to the corner. This is on

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the video. He's standing there in the corner Dan and

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and it almost looked like he didn't know what to do.

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Do I sit down? Do I turn around and go

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back out because he might hit me. It's like he

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didn't know where he was for a moment.

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Speaker 3: Who stops?

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Speaker 2: This is Zoo. So they spun him around, they sat

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him down, they're talking to him. They waved the referee

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over and then one of the cornerman's doing this and

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the referee stuck his head in and I think asked

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Zu do you want to go on? And Zu said no.

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So it was it was definitely uh Fondora's night. So

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that leads to the logical question, what is this set

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up for him? In your mind? In a in a

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very deep junior middleweight division, What is it set up

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for Fundora now that he gets the second win over Zoom?

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Speaker 3: Well, the big thing about Fundora's he you know, he

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was asked because he's been after the fight against you

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the first time. You know, we've discussed how he he

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didn't really have a serious noise injury from what he said.

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he was fine, and he still hadn't didn't fight for

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a year. Uh. He said he wants to fight another

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time this year, maybe even twice more if he could

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do it. So he wants to get right back in there.

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He says, I'm going to fight any of the top

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guys out there. Uh, you know, there was there, there

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were there's as we know, there's a lot of good

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talent in the fight in the way class. He did

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mention about he's gonna be paying close attention to the

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fight that will take place this coming Saturday. I forget

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if it's Friday or Saturday with Xanders Ayas going for

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the vacant WBO title that he vacated to take this

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rematch that you had the right to. So he said,

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maybe I'll try to get my old belt back, so

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that would be a f to go watch closely, and

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that'll be something very interesting. But it's a great weight

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class right now, and Fandora clearly stands at the top

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of that group right now.

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Speaker 2: All right. I want your thoughts from earlier in the

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night London time in the afternoon US time on Alexander

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Usik's fifth round KO win over Daniel Dubois. We both

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thought Usik would win and win by knockout. He did.

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It took a little bit to ramp up, but man,

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he leveled Dublin in the fifth round. What are your thoughts? Dan?

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Speaker 3: Wasn't a surprise for me at all. Alexanderstik is a

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much better fighter in every phase of the game. Maybe

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not for one punch pure power, but the problem with

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dubas he doesn't know how to deliver it consistently. In

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terms of putting his punches together. It's kind of one

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shot at a time. Now when he lands, he can

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do major, major damage. But against a brilliant defensive master

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who knows every angle and every milk and cranny, you know,

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it's a one in a million pretty much to land

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that shot. He was not able to do it, and

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he doesn't have the best chin in the world, and

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when he finally was getting cracked, it was I felt

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like a matter of time. It was a brillion performance

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for music. As he said in his post fight, he's

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thirty eight but he's not old. You know, what can

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you say? He was? He put on a great performance.

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He went and again he did it in the other

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guy's hometown. London is where where Danielduba is from. He's

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fought all over the globe in everybody else's hometown and

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he's kicked everybody's ass basically, so he is clearly the

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heavyweight of this era. He's beating Tyson Fury twice, He's

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beating Daniel Dubat twice, he's beating Anthony Joshua twice. He

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was the undisputed cruiserweight champion. You know, he's He's a

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great fighter, and the story. The only thing that there

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is to discuss about Bostick is where do you put

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him among the all time great heavyweights. That's the question.

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I've had my say about that. I may have to

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revisit my scenario. I'd like to see him fight. People

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get saying, well, who's he gonna fight next. I saw

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some discussion maybe you know, because Perry said he's gonna

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end at extit retirement and he and Turkey were talking

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about trying to make that match for April, and nothing

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against Fury, but I don't need to see the third

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Fury fight right away. Give me a fresh guy that

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deserves this. Give me a Joseph Parker, or there you go,

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give me an ag Caviel who earned it. Give me

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one of those types of fighters. And by the way, Parker,

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he is the mandatory. The WBO is gonna press that

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he allowed this fight to take place. They're not gonna

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mess around. And I hate to see usik as undisputed

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once again, come off that win and get stripped of

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a belt by an organization for no real reason.

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Speaker 2: How realistic is a Parker fight in your mind? On

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a scale of one to ten? Is that a seven?

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Is that a five? Is it an eight?

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Speaker 3: I'm not doing numbers, but yeah, that think is absolutely

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possible if he wants to keep the belts. Parker's a

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worthy challenger. He's a former champion, he's the current interim champion.

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He's with Frank Warren now well Alexanderusiks not with Warren,

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but they've done a lot of business together. It's a

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very makeable fight. I don't think it's gonna be the

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kind of fight where Joe Parker. If you look at

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the type of guys he's fought, he's not gonna price

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some stop out. He wants the opportunity. There's no reason

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why that fight shouldn't happen, and it would be it's

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not gonna maybe draw ninety thousand, but okay, not every

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fight's gonna draw ninety thousand.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it may be back at Sauny Arabia for

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the lucrative money as part of the read season in

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the winter December January something like that. At that fight.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine that that if Turkey's putting on those

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types of shows in Saudi, that he wouldn't want to

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have Alexander Russeg defending the undisputed title in Saudi Arabia

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against a very worthy fighter. And keep in mind Busik

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has scored his wins against Tyson Fury in Saudi Arabia.

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He also has, you know, as Turkey has put Joseph

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Parker on cards in Saudi Arabia where he defeated Deanthay

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Wilder and has also had another victory. So no reason

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why they shouldn't make that fight. Clearly, clearly, that should

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be the next EVUE championship fighting.

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Speaker 2: All right, real quick. Neither one of us was able

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to watch the Bam Rodriguez victory. We can't comment on

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how he did what he did. He did win by

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TKO tonight Dan in the tenth round over Kafu, the

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South African. It makes him to unified junior bantamweight champion.

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So just say something because again we can't analyze the fight.

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You and I didn't see it. I've seen the highighlight

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of the of the bizarre tko where he hurt Cafu.

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I don't know if you've seen this, Dame, and they

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fell each other kind of like a football tackle. Then

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Cafu's got no legs, he's wobbly. The ref waves him off,

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so it was kind of weird.

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Speaker 3: I've not seen one. The only thing that, Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: Weird Howida ended. But what about the significance of the

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win for Rodriguez and the future and what he's got coming.

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Speaker 3: Well, the future has said he won the fight. I

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don't know. I assume he's not injured, which is good,

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and so he'll move on to November twenty second. He'll

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be in the three belt unification fight with Fernando Martinez,

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which is a tremendous matchup, and that'll be one of

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the fights on that very deep threat season card. That

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will also include David Benavidez against Anthony Ard and h

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and Brian Norman against Devin Haney and the fight between

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the young guys Sam Noakes and uh and Uh Bill A.

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Mason for the vacant wb A lightweight title. And then

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you add you add CAFU, I mean not CAFU. You

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had Bam Rodriguez in the unification against Martinez, and that's

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a that's a great show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again that's coming in No so bamb will

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be right back. He's an exciting fighter. There's no doubt.

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Aren't any other final thoughts from Vegas. I will say

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to the audience, We're going to do a full podcast

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recap that'll be out on the normal timeline. We're just

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doing this live after the fights. You said you were

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around Many Pacquial after this was over with, and you believe,

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just repeat it, you believe he's gonna continue to fight.

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He's gonna fight again, perhaps with Barrios, perhaps with somebody else.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's not a matter that I believe it. Many

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said it multiple times. He said literally and I quote,

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the pac Man is back. So he has every intention

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of fighting again. I can't tell you if it'll be

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again later this year. Although that said, look, PBC does

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not have a lot of inventory. If you will to

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headline a pay per view card, obviously many packyoken. I

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mean me, they'll look at the results of how this

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event did. But if they can secure the proper opponent,

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I can absolutely see Manny, you know, in the fourth quarter,

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possibly in another fight here in Las Vegas. You know,

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I guess you know, some good quality, reputable opponent. He's

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not looking to fight nobody's He either wants to fight

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and big names or fight for titles. He's you know,

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he's in the wealthyweight division. To bring him on, he said.

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Speaker 2: Any other closing thoughts, anything else being out there for

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the return of Paqui, how it does in controversially in

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the draw, anything else on the card, anything else for

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left Hard.

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Speaker 3: There were some good performances in the preliminaries too. I

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mean Gary Russell looked really good in the comeback after

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three and a half years, scored a knockout, not against

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the top upon it, but he looked sharp. I thought

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that was good. Mark Macsaia, who was the Filipino that

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worships Mannipacia, had a very exciting but one sided win

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and in his fight as a former featherweight champion now

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at fighting at the junior lightweight limit. So he did

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what he was supposed to do. So all in all,

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I thought it was it was a very entertaining part

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the figure o A fight against Joet Gonzales. I thought

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Joette Finean got a little bit hosed in that fight.

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That was really close. I felt bad Joette, you know,

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just as a hard luck loser in some of the

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fights he's dropped. But I will say this, between the

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three fight preliminary card and the four fight pay per

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view card, this was a very good event topped about him.

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Every single fight was worthwhile to watch.

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Speaker 2: Pitt Bull cruise also current junior to Wayne Over the

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last minute.

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Speaker 3: Look south Sado was a little overmatched. I thought he

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also took the fight on one day's notice. But it

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was also the same thing for Pitbull. You remember he

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wasn't taken on a one day notice, like he wasn't training.

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He was in an eight rounder on the undercart. He

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just moved up, but he just was outclassed. He seemed

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a little bit guns Yes, he was holding a lot

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and even with that happened, Pitbull still made it fun

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to watch, so again I thoroughly enjoyed the event.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, again Fondorra and Zoo had just

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heated up in that seventh round and then again Zoo

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was was taking some shots at the end of the round.

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And I think this is worth saying, and we'll follow

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up on the podcast. At this point, you wonder where

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Tim Zoo goes from here. He's been beaten repeatedly. He's

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been knocked out again, second time, he's been knocked out

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since last fall when martaz Alaye knocked him out. I

472
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don't know where he goes from here at this point

473
00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:50,480
on big stage.

474
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:53,079
Speaker 3: I mean, I have nothing but good wishes for whatever

475
00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:55,839
he does. And I'm not saying he should retire, but

476
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,720
his time near the top Rafterdavus Dog that would never

477
00:22:58,759 --> 00:22:59,839
be at that level again.

478
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,079
Speaker 2: And we can stop all the comparisons to his dad

479
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,839
and blah blah blah blah blah, because he just at

480
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,079
the biggest moments here. He's been beaten and beaten badly. Tonight.

481
00:23:09,839 --> 00:23:13,880
The story again is the controversy. Dan believes Manny Pacquiao

482
00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:17,640
was the winner. I understand that he looked good at

483
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,960
forty six years of age incredible that he was able

484
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,680
to go to the twelve rounds. We wondered. We have

485
00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:23,519
the answer. He was able to go the twelve rounds

486
00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:26,720
with Mario Barrios. Will we see him again? We'll find out.

487
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:30,160
All right, let's do this. You regroup, get yourself back

488
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,200
to Northern Virginia. It's gonna be a fun day of

489
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,759
travel for you. And why don't we reconvene on the

490
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Big Fight weekend capping podcast, the Fight Freaks to Night

491
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,359
recap podcast off the weekend. I appreciate you being live

492
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,559
in the press room at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

493
00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:48,000
Good stuff here tonight, anything else We good tonight from Vegas.

494
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Speaker 3: I'm out baby, And.

495
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Speaker 2: Again as we come back in here on the pod

496
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that is from our YouTube page and our live recap

497
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that we did late night Saturday night and the Sunday morning.

498
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Dan again is traveling all Sunday afternoon and Sunday evening,

499
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,519
so we went ahead and wanted to put this recap

500
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pod out. He'll be back with us in the preview

501
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,359
mode later in the week. And the most prominent fight

502
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,359
that we're previewing is Xander Zaiez going for a world

503
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:19,519
Championship in the ESPN Top Rank main event Madison Square

504
00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:23,559
Garden Theater, fighting a lesser known Mexican, a guy that's

505
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:26,720
thirty four and three and Jorge Garcia. Garcia upset Charles

506
00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:30,759
Conwell back in February and is taking Conwell's spot here

507
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:34,559
in this interim title fight with Ziaz, who comes in

508
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,400
here with a twenty one to zero record. Ziaz defeated

509
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:45,440
Sean Spomer earlier this year by TKO has headlined now

510
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,279
a couple of times in New York. He's got a

511
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,519
chance to be a world champion, got a chance to

512
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:51,599
be a player at one hundred and fifty four pounds.

513
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,039
So before we get into the full fight week, let's

514
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:58,440
go to our insider Dan Rayfield with Ziaz about this

515
00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:03,119
matchup and what's on. I'm the line here especially for

516
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:06,039
future Big Time pay Day's unification, et cetera. If he

517
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,359
can get the win here you go.

518
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 3: Well, it is my great pleasure to welcome back to

519
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,319
our podcast this week. It is Xander Zias. Xander, We've

520
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:16,480
done this before, but this one's a little bit different.

521
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:20,160
We'll tell the folks we've talked about your fights before,

522
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,839
but this time you're getting ready for I think we

523
00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:23,839
can agree your biggest fight of your career so far,

524
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,839
You'll be taking on Jorge Garcia for the vacant WBO

525
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,839
Junior Middleweight world title. It will take place July twenty sixth,

526
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,480
headlining the ESPN Top Rank card at the Madison Square

527
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,599
Guarded Theater, a place you're very familiar with. So tell

528
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,200
me just first off, again, you've been doing interviews getting

529
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,160
ready for this fight. It's a little bit different, isn't

530
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,839
it as you think about what might be in store

531
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:46,599
for you on that night.

532
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so if you I mean it is a

533
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:52,680
bit different because obviously, like you said, is the biggest

534
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,079
fight of my career, fighting for a world title, something

535
00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:59,759
that I've been working for since I'm literally five years old,

536
00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:01,799
since I've started boxing. You know, that's the dream of

537
00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:04,240
every fighter to become WOR world champion, and I have

538
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:08,279
my opportunity on July twenty six But in the other sense,

539
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,880
it's for me, it's just another fight, another night at

540
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,119
the Garden. I've been there before. There's gonna be my

541
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,960
eighth time, so nothing new. I got to go in there,

542
00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:19,359
do my job, say focus, maybe a judgments, and then

543
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:20,680
come out victorious.

544
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 3: Well, when you signed with Top Rank, and I remember

545
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,519
being at the press conference, you were sixteen years old.

546
00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:27,480
They were like, look, he's sixteen, but he's not even

547
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,319
gonna turn professional until he's seventeen. You've done your part,

548
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,319
Your team has done its part. Top Rank has done

549
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,640
its part. You're now twenty two years old, you're undefeated,

550
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,119
you've looked good, You've climbed up the ladder, You've fought

551
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,160
who you have to fight. We've got all kinds of

552
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,720
experience now and now here we are five years later,

553
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,839
you're getting ready to fight for a German Await world title.

554
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,720
So and then doing it a place like the Madison

555
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:53,480
Square Guard in theater that I know is important to you.

556
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,559
If I sent to you on that day at the

557
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:58,039
press conference at age sixteen, hey, five years from now

558
00:26:58,079 --> 00:26:59,799
you're fighting for the world title at the Madison Square

559
00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:02,680
Guard theater. You're undefeated in your headlining, you know, a

560
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,119
big card. How would you have reacted? What would you

561
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:05,599
have said?

562
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,039
Speaker 4: Well, maybe if you put it that way five years ago,

563
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,680
I would have said, yes, I will be fighting for

564
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,200
a world champion in five.

565
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: Years, but probably not at Madison Square Garden.

566
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,759
Speaker 4: You know, never thought it was going to be in

567
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,319
at the theater, or you know, with the circumstances that

568
00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:27,960
are happening, you know, headlining the last card on ESPN.

569
00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:30,240
You know, at a lot of things are happening that

570
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,119
maybe I didn't expect five years ago. But I knew

571
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:35,680
that if I stayed the course and if I stay focused,

572
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,480
I was going to be fighting for a world tider

573
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:38,160
sooner than later.

574
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: So I remember, Xander in one of our previous interviews,

575
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:44,119
we did it and you sat in front of a

576
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:47,559
looked like a bookshelf and you had your regional titles stack,

577
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:49,640
and we kind of chatted a little bit about that,

578
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,880
and you mentioned to me, you know, these are important

579
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,880
to me. I've worked for them. They're They're a way

580
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,559
to tell me that I'm making my way up the ladder.

581
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,799
But I want the big boy belts. Yes, now you're

582
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:02,640
one fight from winning and getting the big Boy Belt,

583
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:04,200
one of the big boy belts. And how does that

584
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,079
feel knowing that you can now have that if you win,

585
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,640
to put in that beautiful bookshelf for those other nice

586
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,480
title belts.

587
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,319
Speaker 1: No, it feels amazing.

588
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 4: And I'm right now the background is not the same

589
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,000
because I'm in my camp house. For the first time

590
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,880
in my career, I moved to to a camp house,

591
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,519
so I got the nutritionist, all the sparing partners here,

592
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:26,119
so we all living together for this camp. But yes,

593
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:28,960
really exciting. Like I told you before, something that I've

594
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,880
worked for my whole life. You know, before the world

595
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,000
titles is the regional belts. I got those. Now I

596
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,440
have to add the big boy belts like you said,

597
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,000
and then the WBO is the first one.

598
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: So really exciting.

599
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 4: And just happy to be in this place, in this

600
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,599
position at twenty two years old.

601
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,519
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk a little about your opponent, Jorgey Garcia.

602
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:53,400
He is thirty three four thirty three and four with

603
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,440
twenty six knockouts. He has won eight fights in a row.

604
00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:59,119
He's coming off by far and away, the biggest win

605
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,759
of his career. He scored that split decision victory in

606
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:03,880
a really good performance. He deserved that split decision, at

607
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,920
least in my estimation against the unbeating the Olympian United

608
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,920
States Olympian Charles Conwell, you know, to put him in

609
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,799
the position within the WO ratings, and I wonder, like,

610
00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:16,079
how do you approach him. He's on a hot streak.

611
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,960
He's got confidence off that victory. Xander. He's got more

612
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:21,559
knockouts twenty six than you have professional fights, which is

613
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,359
twenty one. He seems like he's got momentum in a

614
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,880
lot going for him the same way that you do.

615
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,759
Speaker 1: No, I'm obviously exciting.

616
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 4: He like you said, he deserves his victory against Cornwall,

617
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,319
he did serve his shot out of world title.

618
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,759
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because a year ago we were sitting down.

619
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: Looking at the rankings and my dad we have a

620
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,440
conversation that I think I have to say, I have

621
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:46,960
to look for it. But he sent me a screenshot

622
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:49,200
and I think I was number eight and Horygard Ship

623
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:50,640
Prayers was like either.

624
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: Nine or or eleven.

625
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 4: Or something like that, and he told me, this is

626
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,960
who you're going to be fighting for the world title.

627
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,480
And I'm like, there's no way, like this kid, like,

628
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,680
how is it gonna be possible? I mean, at that time,

629
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,200
I think Tim Zu is still the WO champ and

630
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,440
and you know, a lot of things were happening, so

631
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,720
I didn't I didn't really realize what was going on

632
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:14,599
at the time, but my dad told me that, and

633
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,519
now that we sit back and we look at it,

634
00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:19,279
it's like, look, I told you twenty twenty five, you

635
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:21,799
will be fighting for the world title against god Ship Pressed.

636
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:23,599
He said, he actually said he was gonna be in

637
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:26,759
the perto Rican Prede. Obviously Pertorican Praide didn't happen. But

638
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:31,599
same guy, same city, same place. So it's exciting.

639
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: You know, I've been. I've been. We've been watching him

640
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,440
and getting prepared for him because.

641
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,799
Speaker 4: We knew at some point we're going to be fighting him,

642
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,640
either for the world title for just another fight.

643
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,079
Speaker 3: Maybe your dad can give me the lottery numbers given

644
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:45,480
hiss there.

645
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 4: That's what That's what I told him, Like, how about

646
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,920
you give me the lottery numbers. Maybe you know we

647
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,440
could we could be rich before having to.

648
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: Fight for the titles.

649
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: Well, you might get a chance to be rich if

650
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,400
you keep on winning, like uh yes, sir, boxers do.

651
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,759
Before this fight between yourself and Garcia was made, Sebastian

652
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:08,119
Vandora was the WBO and the WBC champion. You were

653
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,000
his WBO mandatory challenger. You attended his fight earlier this

654
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:14,799
year in March, when he knocked out Cordel Booker. You

655
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:17,640
got in the ring with him, not in a confrontational manner.

656
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,839
Obviously you were allowed to be in there. You guys

657
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:23,000
took photos together. Both of you talked up the prospect

658
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,440
of fighting each other. You were the mandatory was due.

659
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,200
They ordered the fight top rank and his people at

660
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,720
PBC and TGBR promotions, everybody was talking about it, Sam

661
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,400
s Lukawisz, They were trying to make the match. I

662
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:37,839
thought it was going to happen, and then suddenly he

663
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,440
swerves and ends up taking the rematch against Tim Zoo

664
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,119
from their fight from when he won the title against

665
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,400
him and the vacant WBC title, And I'm just wondering, like,

666
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,119
what that happened?

667
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: There?

668
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 3: Were you disappointed that then happen. I think a lot

669
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,200
of people were sort of really interested at that, and

670
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,640
then the Garcia if I just sort of materialized kind

671
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,359
of out of nowhere.

672
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:58,319
Speaker 1: No, for sure, it was. It was disappointing.

673
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 4: It was frustrating at the beginning because it's like you said,

674
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,839
you know, I went to his fight. I I earned

675
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:08,400
my spot as the as the number one contender to

676
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:14,079
to fight him. When there we talked to each other,

677
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,079
it was it was supposed it was supposed.

678
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,599
Speaker 1: To be, or it was supposed to happen.

679
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,359
Speaker 4: We we had conversations, We went back and forth for

680
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,519
a couple of weeks. Then a couple of days before

681
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:29,039
the negotiation period was over, they cold us and said, hey,

682
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:33,480
this is what we're gonna do. So obviously frustrated, I

683
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,480
feel like, you know, it's part of business, it's part.

684
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: Of our boxing. Maybe he had a better, better opportunity

685
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,279
against Tim Zoo. I wanted to fight him.

686
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,599
Speaker 4: I wanted to to take both of his belts, but

687
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,759
I guess hit didn't.

688
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: He didn't want that. He didn't want to, He didn't

689
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,359
want to do that.

690
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 4: He wanted to fight for for the w b C

691
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:57,680
and then and you know, take part on on another

692
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,720
rematch against Tim Zu, which was a great fight the

693
00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:01,960
first one. So can't be mad at him. I feel

694
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,359
like it's it's business and and down the future, it's

695
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,519
something that we can make happen.

696
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: So you don't look at this as oh, you know,

697
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,720
he's ducking me or this or that. You're realistic enough

698
00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:14,559
to understand that the Zoo fight from the from the

699
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:20,079
financial perspective, probably even from the public interest perspective, it's

700
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:22,440
a little bit it's bigger than him and you, I guess.

701
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: No, for sure.

702
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,119
Speaker 4: For sure, I feel like, you know, you have to

703
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,119
be mature enough to understand that the business side of boxing,

704
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,079
and and I feel like I did that.

705
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:32,559
Speaker 1: Obviously, wasn't happy about it.

706
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,559
Speaker 4: I wanted to fight against the champion, but I know

707
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,839
that when it happens and if he comes out, Victorias

708
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:42,240
against him, Zoo and I have to talk about Victoria's

709
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:45,240
against jure Garcia Prez is going to be even bigger fight.

710
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: We mentioned earlier about how you're going to be fighting

711
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,359
once again at the Madison Square Guarden theater. This will

712
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,880
be your eighth fight at Madison Square Guarden, either in

713
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,559
the main arena or in the theater. It'll be your

714
00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:58,279
fourth fight in a row in the theater. I mean,

715
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:00,720
you've really become sort of synonymous with that venue in

716
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:03,039
terms of their their boxing program. They've got a few

717
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,240
guys that fight there. But you know, Xander's Eyes is

718
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:06,920
a regular there. Tell me what it means to you

719
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,119
to be in a place like that. Obviously, there's a

720
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:10,800
lot of Puerto Rican fans will be there for you.

721
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,360
That's why Top Rank puts you there in the first place,

722
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,719
because of the type of draw you can bring in

723
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,000
what does that, What does that building mean to you?

724
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:19,559
And how comfortable are you fighting there?

725
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: Man? I'm really really comfortable fighting there.

726
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 4: I feel like now I don't even have to show

727
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,880
ID I just walk in and they already know me.

728
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,039
Speaker 1: So so it's amazing.

729
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 4: It's amazing to be fighting again and in the Mecal Boxing,

730
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,199
a place that brings or has brought a lot of

731
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,719
legendary fights and a lot of gender legendary fighters to

732
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,239
to to become champions and fights there. So to be

733
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,559
able to fight for a world title at twenty two

734
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:49,159
years of age in the city that never sleeps, in

735
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:54,039
a venue with such historical moments in the sport, it

736
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:55,280
means it means the world to me.

737
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,519
Speaker 1: So I'm excited for for this one.

738
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: Well, don't forget the idea. We don't need any snaff

739
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,159
foo's on fight night, so make sure you got the

740
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:04,760
id hand of your credential and all that well, sir.

741
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,280
The other aspect of this fight, of course, we have

742
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,880
to discuss a little bit is as we've discussed, you

743
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,960
are a Puerto Rican fighter. Your opponent, Jorge Garcia, is

744
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,039
from Mexico. We all know that is one of the

745
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:18,840
great rivalries in boxing. History, and I wonder from your perspective,

746
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,840
how significant is it to you to not only partake

747
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,880
in a fight in that rivalry, but to do so,

748
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:27,800
you know, in a main event world championship fight, which

749
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,679
is you know, in a lot of people's minds, the

750
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,079
greatest rivalry in boxing.

751
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:36,159
Speaker 4: Yes, like you said, I feel like it is the

752
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,840
greatest rivalry in boxing. And to be able to take

753
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,639
part in one of those fights at championship fight against

754
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,480
a good Mexican warrior, somebody that is gonna is gonna

755
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:48,480
come put pressure and gonna come try to take everything

756
00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:50,880
away from me means a lot. Means the world to

757
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,159
me because you know, going back to you know, in

758
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:56,920
the history of boxing and watching all those wars between

759
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,280
Puerto Rico and Mexico's always exciting for all the fans saying,

760
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,360
and just to be able to be a part of

761
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,960
that part of history means the world to me.

762
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: So if you win, you won't be the youngest Jummy

763
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,760
middleweight champion in history, for Ando Vargas was twenty one

764
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,920
years old when he won the JUM middleweight title, but

765
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,440
you'll be one of the youngest if you are victorious.

766
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:18,960
But you'll also join a list of great Puerto Rican

767
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,920
champions that have come before you. You know, some of

768
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,639
the legends of all time. You got you know, fighters,

769
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:27,400
I've watched the millions of times, will fred O Gomez

770
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,440
and Benitez and Tito Trinidad, Miguel Coto, Ivan Calderon, I mean,

771
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:34,199
Luis ORTIZI go on for like a week talking about

772
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,519
the greats that come from your island. When you think

773
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,679
about that, those names and the fact that obviously you're

774
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,639
not at their level, at least not yet, but that

775
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,679
you can join them as being a world champion, That's

776
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,320
that's like a really big deal. I think for anybody

777
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,599
that's keeped in the Puerto Rican boxing culture.

778
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,559
Speaker 4: I get goose bumps. I get guzbump just from thinking

779
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:56,800
about it. Obviously something that I want to do. I

780
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,639
want to bring glorid to Puerto Rico. I want to

781
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:01,360
stat my name, you know, next to all those great

782
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,199
legends from Puerto Rico and b a world champion. I

783
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:08,000
just make my people proud, make my family, my team proud,

784
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,760
and overall make myself proud.

785
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,039
Speaker 3: Now, if you are victorious, and we've discussed a little

786
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:16,519
bit like Fondora you mentioned in tim Zoo and others.

787
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:18,880
But you have a real You're in a really good

788
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,920
weight class. Like I look at the champions besides yourself

789
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,119
and some of the other top contenders and guys with

790
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:27,719
interim belts. It's in my estimation, it's it's may not

791
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,719
have huge star power in terms of the names, but

792
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,400
there's a lot of guys that are really solid that

793
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,159
can beat probably anybody on any different in that division

794
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,840
I'm talking about. Besides Zoo and Fondora, you got martaz

795
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,559
A Leev tough as nails with the IBF title. There's

796
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:45,079
a Virgil Ortiz and Joannes Teas they have interim titles.

797
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:48,559
Jeron Buten has just announced that he's leaving welterweight to

798
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:51,599
move up. And wait, there's Keith thurmanis still kicking around.

799
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,840
He had a good performance in his recent fight Boa

800
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,760
Chuck Majimov. I mean Azuz Ramos ericson Lubin, You're you're

801
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,480
Florida compatriot. We could go on and not tell me

802
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:03,480
about your thoughts on the depth of your division, the

803
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,440
fact that you have a title. These are guys that

804
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,480
are gonna be hunting.

805
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: You for sure.

806
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 4: I feel like it's the hottest the hottest division in

807
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,280
boxing right now. He got great, great names in the division,

808
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,400
like you said, a lot of names that can't be

809
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:19,119
anybody on any given night. But once I become a

810
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:22,880
world champion, there's snow escaping. Now there's snow. Oh but

811
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000
he hasn't done this. No, but he hasn't done that.

812
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,239
Now they got to fight. Everybody's going to get it.

813
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:32,079
Speaker 3: How is Louis arm Louise? How is Garcia going to

814
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:33,800
get it in this fight?

815
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: Man Garcia is?

816
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 4: I expect the best Garcia press to show up that night,

817
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,480
but he got to expect the xiangnersizers that has done

818
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,400
everybody anybody has seen I mean something special. I'm going

819
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,639
to put my name on the top of the list.

820
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,719
I'm going to show the world in the division why

821
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,480
I'm one of the best at one hundred and fifty

822
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:57,119
four pounds and they're going to see a next level

823
00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:59,360
type of fighter come July twenty six.

824
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to seeing the culmination, having followed your

825
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,800
career from day one at age sixteen at a press conference,

826
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,159
and here we are five years later as you get

827
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:11,039
ready to fight for the world title. So Xander, I

828
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:13,320
wish you luck, genuinely. I appreciate your time.

829
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: Dan, thank you very much for your time.

830
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 4: Thank you once again for for another interview another you know,

831
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:24,920
great great again article an interview, So hopefully I'll see

832
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:25,519
you in New York.

833
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: Appreciate That'sander. Good luck to you man, right.

834
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,599
Speaker 1: Brother, Thank you again.

835
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,519
Speaker 2: Nice work from Dan. And this is another piece at

836
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:35,239
the one hundred and fifty four pound puzzle. Obviously, Terrence

837
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,480
Crawford has one of the belts as well at one

838
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:40,320
hundred and fifty four pounds and the way that Fundora

839
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,880
looked the other night, he was fantastic. What's gonna happen

840
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,079
in Fundorra and Ziaz We're negotiating to maybe have a

841
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:50,880
two belt titled defense by Fondorra, but they ended up

842
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,239
deciding Samson Lukawitz and Fundorra and PBC that hey, we're

843
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,679
gonna fight Tim Zoo instance, So we vacated this wo

844
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,480
belt that will be on the line coming on Saturday

845
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:04,960
night against Garcia, the Mexican veteran in the ESPN Top

846
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:08,559
Rank main event. By the way, Bruce Shoeshoe Carrington will

847
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:14,039
fight Matteas Haita in the featherweight matchup that is for

848
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:17,960
the vacant interim WBC Featherweight title on Saturday night. Also

849
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,920
Emiliano Vargas also in action, son of Fernando Vargas. So

850
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,119
we look forward to all of that in the preview

851
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:27,559
mode later in the week. The fights on Saturday night

852
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:31,039
at the Madison Square Garden Theater for the Top Rank

853
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,639
show that we'll be there on Saturday. All right, let's

854
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:38,880
continue in the recap mode. Get another perspective here, and

855
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,599
that is from Ricky Carroll again, the lead writer on

856
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:44,360
Big Fight Weekend dot Com the website. Want to talk

857
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:50,400
Alexander Usik and his victory over Daniel Dubois and what's

858
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:54,159
next for Usick. We elaborate on this what's legitimate. You

859
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,400
heard Dan say earlier in the pod, it should be

860
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,199
Joseph Parker, will that? Will that be next? Certainly, Usik

861
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,760
was seen on the social media videos late night Saturday

862
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,000
night with Derek Chesa in his locker room. I don't

863
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:08,519
have to see that fight, and as I said to Dan,

864
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:10,360
I don't have to see Tyson Fury for a third

865
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,039
time either, because Tyson Fury hasn't done anything in the

866
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:17,760
interim after Usik beat him twice to have a third

867
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,119
fight for early next year. But anyway, let's get to

868
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,559
the conversation with what Ricky's thoughts are on what he

869
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:25,119
saw with the Usik knockout of Dubois and the future

870
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,880
and much more, and do that here on the recap

871
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:34,679
pod right now. All right, Ricky, impressive. Another knockout for

872
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,840
Alexander Usik against Daniel Dubois. This one quicker, this one

873
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,440
in the fifth round, this one emphatically at the end.

874
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,719
That's me saying that what are your thoughts? As he

875
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,159
once again is undisputed he maybe shouldn't have had the

876
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:54,000
IBF belt taken away it figuratively was. Now it's back,

877
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:56,280
it's back in a big way. What are your thoughts?

878
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,800
Thank you for doing this and what are your thoughts?

879
00:41:58,159 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: Uh?

880
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 5: No, no, I I appreciate you having me. Yeah, he

881
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:08,599
was dominant from the first bell. I just thought he

882
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:13,360
looked really, really sharp, normal husic, light on his feet

883
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:14,679
in and out.

884
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 6: What surprise he was. He looked like he was annoyed.

885
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 5: He seemed like he was annoyed at the beginning of

886
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,880
the fight, and he had a bit more spite in

887
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,039
his punches than I've maybe seen. I don't notice that's

888
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,679
him just getting used to heavyweight. Maybe, but he's been

889
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,880
heavyweight for quite a while now, right, But he's annoyed.

890
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: Why annoyed because he had to fight this guy again

891
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:39,920
to get the IBF belt back and annoyed why in

892
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:40,519
your opinion?

893
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:41,079
Speaker 1: Yeah?

894
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:41,519
Speaker 6: Maybe?

895
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 5: In my opinion, I thought he was disrespected in the

896
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,000
build up a little bit.

897
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:48,159
Speaker 6: There was a lot of people speaking.

898
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 5: About how much Dubois had had improved, and rightly so,

899
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,679
he has definitely improved since the first fight. But yeah,

900
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,199
and there was still too much spoken about the low blow,

901
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,519
if I'm being honest, not the fact that the other

902
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,800
eight and a half rounds of their first fire were

903
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,639
really one sided.

904
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,559
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, And it was even more.

905
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 5: One side this time, bar the first part of the

906
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,880
third round, probably the first half of the third round tonight.

907
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,280
I thought Dubois seemed to be a little bit more positive,

908
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,639
but I just don't think he could figure out who

909
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:29,840
Six's movement, his feet, movement in and out he was

910
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,679
countering was just so sharp. Every time he fell short,

911
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,920
dubar or missed, he was getting punished very like. It

912
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,320
was well, it really good to watch.

913
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,599
Speaker 2: We see, we see why the man is undefeated and

914
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:50,280
formally undisputed at cruiserweight and now undisputed here. It hasn't

915
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,280
happened accidentally. It's happened for the reasons that you're saying.

916
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,159
He's difficult to hit. We's got the high guard. He's

917
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:01,039
difficult to hit. He uses head movement, he uses leg

918
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,000
he uses in and out with the legs. He's bouncing

919
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:08,280
up and down, and it almost it almost looked like

920
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,000
to me that he was measuring Dubois for the counter

921
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,079
and that at some point he knew the counter punch

922
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,840
from Usik is gonna come. He's gonna get the opportunity,

923
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,880
and that's what we saw in the fifth round. He

924
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,400
caught him with a counter in the third round, near

925
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,519
the end of the third round, hard left, and uh,

926
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:30,000
yeah he did. He did wabble a little bit and

927
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,920
then he caught him and hurt him, and then didn't

928
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,320
take long to finish with the thundering left where dubois

929
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,519
gum shield as you guys call it, her mouth piece

930
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:41,840
came flying out and he's down on all fours and

931
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,840
got the vacant look, and uh that was emphatic. That

932
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,880
was emphatic tonight. What about what about him being the

933
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,639
ultimate road Warrior. Dan Rayfield was talking about this when

934
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:56,880
you look at his career going back to cruiserweight and

935
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,400
fighting Gasiev in Russia and fighting Huck in Germany and

936
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,679
coming to England and fighting Anthony Joshua Tottenham Hotspur Stadium,

937
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,559
and you know, seemingly, you know, go back and and

938
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,079
come back and fight Duboin. In this situation at Wimbley

939
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,440
the man, the man is not phased by any of this.

940
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,920
Pick it up on that, Alexander Rusik.

941
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:24,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, Dan brings up a good point. He's he can

942
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:26,159
go anywhere, any country.

943
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:31,079
Speaker 6: He's that good. He is that good.

944
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:35,519
Speaker 5: He he'll win anywhere, He'll fight anywhere. He's shown his bravery,

945
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,639
his class. Yeah, if there was any doubters, and I

946
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:43,039
can't believe there was, but if there was any doubters,

947
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,760
there won't be any doubters after tonight. I don't think

948
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,519
that he's He's definitely number one. He's definitely number one.

949
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:55,039
I would love to see him have that have if

950
00:45:55,039 --> 00:46:00,920
there is one more fight. Staying on the road Warrior conversation,

951
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,280
I'd like to see him have a fight in Ukraine

952
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,559
if it's possible. I don't know how that is. I

953
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:11,360
know they've had football back, haven't they, I think? Or

954
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,159
again here or there they've had.

955
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,119
Speaker 2: Back, right, But yeah, but at this point it's just

956
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,280
it's too dangerous, I think for safety, and so that'll

957
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,280
be there. So I was logically going there, do you believe,

958
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,639
first of all, at thirty eight, with all that he's proven,

959
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,960
that he will fight on for the record he said

960
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:31,079
in the ring thirty eight, I'm just getting started is

961
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:33,280
essentially what he said. Do you believe he will fight

962
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,039
on Ricky?

963
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: For me?

964
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 5: All I'd want him to do is Joseph Parker. I

965
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,480
think he deserves his opportunity. Is not that I think

966
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:47,119
he'd win, because I don't think he would, but I

967
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:49,480
think he's done enough over the last couple of years

968
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:54,159
to warrant an opportunity. But apart from that, I would

969
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,639
rather him retire. If I'm being honest, I don't want

970
00:46:56,679 --> 00:46:59,840
to see him like Fury again. I don't want to

971
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,159
see a trilogy against Fury. I don't want to see

972
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:05,000
a trilogy with AJ and I certainly don't want to

973
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,760
see a trilogy with du Borrow as well.

974
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 2: Right well, at this point, let's pick it up on that.

975
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,119
What's I mean financially sure, but What does Tyson Fury

976
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,480
offer right now when he hasn't beaten anybody else since

977
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:20,920
the two losses? What does Anthony Joshua offer at this

978
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,440
point he lost twice to Usik, he got knocked out

979
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,920
by Duoir. I don't know what either one of them

980
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,440
really offer for a third fight to that point, right,

981
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,719
I completely agree with you.

982
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,079
Speaker 5: Neither of them certainly deserve to jump in front of

983
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,639
Parker or Cabayelle, who I think are probably the two

984
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:40,320
at the front of the queue. Parker ahead of Cabayelle.

985
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,360
It's just because he's more active, but both of those

986
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,199
are two very good heavyweights. But just because they're big names,

987
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,840
I don't see why they should come back and jump

988
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,800
to the head of the queue. And it seems like,

989
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:57,719
I don't know if you saw the Jake Paul Winterview,

990
00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:03,360
the own broadcast, and he seems pretty certain that the

991
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,760
Anthony Joshua fights happened.

992
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 2: In Yeah, he came right out, and he came right

993
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,519
out and said it is going to happen, and he

994
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:10,480
said he's gonna knock him out. But Jake says a

995
00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:13,119
lot of things, and Jake I was I was in

996
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,320
uh Anaheim, and he said in the ring. He had

997
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,119
a list about fifteen people long, including Santa Claus and

998
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,400
the Easter Boddy about who he's about who he was

999
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,000
going to fight. So who knows on that, on on

1000
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,559
what fight they make. I just I wonder, let's talk,

1001
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:31,559
let's move it into legacy here with Ricky does it?

1002
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:34,320
He doesn't need a Joseph Parker fight for legacy. He

1003
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,159
doesn't need an a Jeet Kaba Yell fight for legacy.

1004
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,639
I just wonder what motivates you to fight on into

1005
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:43,800
the latter part of this year or next year for

1006
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,119
legacy reasons? Right?

1007
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:46,679
Speaker 1: For legacy?

1008
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 5: For legacy reasons, There's not really there's not really anything left,

1009
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,159
is there.

1010
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 6: Really?

1011
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,159
Speaker 5: I'm talking about Joseph Parker just because I think if

1012
00:48:57,159 --> 00:48:58,719
you're looking at one more fight.

1013
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 6: For him, he's the most deserving, right.

1014
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 5: But but apart from that, if I'm looking at it

1015
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,960
from six point of view, there's I've seen loads of

1016
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,320
tweets from people in the boxing industry who are saying

1017
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,719
he should just walk away after tonight, and I think

1018
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:17,440
he should. Really, he's done everything. He's proven himself in

1019
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:21,440
two different weight classes if you count the undisputed at

1020
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,880
Cruise Away that's three times undisputed now twice that.

1021
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: Everyone Olympic gold medal as well, the massive amateur career,

1022
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:31,840
three hundred plus wins as an amateur. You're gonna take

1023
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,039
all of it into account.

1024
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,079
Speaker 5: And people were talking about him, people, well, a lot

1025
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:42,679
of people were talking about him aging, saying he'll be

1026
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:48,280
slower tonight. He's thirty eight, dud bark and punch this,

1027
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,000
that and the other. That's probably the best I've seen

1028
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:51,679
him look for.

1029
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: A wise and me and you know what, maybe he

1030
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:56,519
is slowing a little and maybe it will be a

1031
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,039
bigger factor if he's fighting a younger, better fighter. But

1032
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,440
like you just said, it was not the case tonight.

1033
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:03,920
It wasn't It wasn't the case tonight that he was

1034
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,559
too slow to find the range. He found the range.

1035
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,119
Speaker 5: He looked confident all week, even having Duboir's team. They

1036
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:14,760
were trying to bait him all week at the press conferences,

1037
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:19,639
shouting things in his face, and he just looked so focused,

1038
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,960
never looked rattled once, not even for a seconds. He's

1039
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:28,719
just a consummer professional, And to be honest, it's just

1040
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,039
been a privilege to watch him. I mean, if that

1041
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:32,159
is the last time we see him.

1042
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: It's been a privileged to I mean in the last

1043
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,760
four years now, two wins over Joshua were two wins

1044
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,400
over Fury, two wins over Dubois on top of the

1045
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,519
cruiserweight resumes. So yeah, that's a that's a that's a run.

1046
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 5: Yes, such a good point you bring up there, and

1047
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,880
people were talking about the.

1048
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 6: Dubois run of form and fair play.

1049
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 5: He had three great wins up until tonight, three really

1050
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,480
good wins where he wasn't the favorite in any of

1051
00:50:56,519 --> 00:51:00,599
those fights. H he could argue the mill of fire maybe,

1052
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:04,840
but no one talks about the use hick rum. No

1053
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,159
one's really spoke about it all week. They are a

1054
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,039
run of form that he's had and the people that

1055
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:12,400
he's beaten the lead up to this fight, and he's

1056
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,480
got I think he's got better since the first du

1057
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,960
Bar fight as well, and he's improved.

1058
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,079
Speaker 2: Now, what's his place in a history right now? In

1059
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:24,880
your mind? I know Dan and I have gone back

1060
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,280
and forth. Dan's the ultimate historian, and he says he

1061
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,440
does not at the moment belong in the top ten.

1062
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:31,719
He hasn't fought enough as a heavyweight. This is now,

1063
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:35,559
I believe in eighth heavyweight fight. This is a sixth

1064
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,519
heavyweight title fight. He's won them all. Obviously. Does he

1065
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:42,079
belong in the Ricky Carroll top ten at all time

1066
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,199
or does he not belong in an all time top

1067
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:44,760
ten right now?

1068
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 5: Usik, Yeah, No, in my top ten, He's definitely in

1069
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:49,079
my top ten.

1070
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:50,119
Speaker 6: He's in my top five.

1071
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:51,119
Speaker 2: Really.

1072
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,199
Speaker 6: The problem I've.

1073
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 5: Got is I'm of a certain age where I only

1074
00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:59,800
go back so far, and if I go back further

1075
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,199
to the days of ar Lee, Joe Lewis and.

1076
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:06,599
Speaker 2: Matt Borman, Borman Marciano, those kind of guys.

1077
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 5: Right right, Well, I've seen a little bit more because

1078
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,199
I was young, but i'd seen him. I saw the

1079
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,760
Michael morrifire and I can remember that. But the early

1080
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,719
days I'm just watching old videos. Of course, if the

1081
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,920
coult for me to really really formulate, probably a fair

1082
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:26,639
rounded top ten.

1083
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 6: But if I'm looking at my era from.

1084
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 5: What I know, like Lennox, Lewis, Mike Tyson, and Vander Holyfield.

1085
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,159
Speaker 6: He definitely belongs right in the middle of all those.

1086
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:39,559
Speaker 2: Now, Holyfield is an excellent comparison because holy Field was

1087
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:43,960
a tremendous light heavy or light heavyweight and cruiserweight before

1088
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,000
he was the heavyweight champion on two occasions, Usick Usick Holyfield,

1089
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:51,239
Who you got who got? Among the time. I mean,

1090
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,639
that's an interesting debate, isn't it comparable.

1091
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,039
Speaker 6: It's a very good point. And I think Darren Barker,

1092
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,719
who was on the Design broadcast this evening, he summed.

1093
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 5: It up perfectly, and they had Lennox Lewis from the

1094
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:10,360
studio as well, and he said, I'm I would fancy

1095
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:14,079
Usik against any heavyweight in history. He's saying I'm not

1096
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:17,159
saying he would beat every heavyweight, but he was saying

1097
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:20,360
I would give him a really good opportunity against any heavyweight.

1098
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:23,679
So I would say, to answer your question, I would

1099
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:26,880
probably pick Usik. And I love Holyfield as well. He

1100
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,599
was a big He was a big favorite of my

1101
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:31,519
dear old dad's and my older brothers as well, so

1102
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,360
he was a big part of us growing up.

1103
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 6: Holyfield, but I love.

1104
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:40,199
Speaker 2: Usick, and Lewis was big, and Lewis had had firepower

1105
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,320
in either hand, that would be a challenge. But I mean,

1106
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,039
let's give USA credit. Tyson Fury's bigger than Lennux Lewis.

1107
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:49,920
Tyson Fury's every bit of six' eight every bit of

1108
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:54,559
two and sixty. Pounds, yes he was The routes kicked him. Up,

1109
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,159
yes And usik handled the much bigger man in both

1110
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,159
of those. FIGHTS i Don't i'm not saying it the.

1111
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,440
Cinch it's a guarantee that he Handles Lennux, lewis but

1112
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:06,079
it would be a competitive fight based on what we've. Seen,

1113
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,880
Yeah AND.

1114
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 5: I cannot tell you how MUCH i Love Lennux. LEWIS

1115
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:13,679
i think he's still in my. Bio won The big, Fight.

1116
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 6: He's still. THERE i watch his videos every. Day i'm

1117
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,440
the Biggest clues.

1118
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,079
Speaker 2: Fan and thanks one more time To Ricky carroll a

1119
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:24,280
Big Fight weekend Dot com does a great job make

1120
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,440
sure that you are on the website for all the

1121
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:32,800
latest in, news, info fight, previews, recaps nostalgias, segments et.

1122
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,760
Cetera ricky does a great. Job sadikahmed also does a

1123
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,519
great job, writing And i'm in there in the mix,

1124
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:41,119
too keeping you up with everything that's going on this

1125
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:43,440
summer right now in the Sweet. Science so we Thank

1126
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:45,400
ricky for his time and, listen that's gonna do it

1127
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here for this edition of The Fight Freaks Unite recap

1128
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,239
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1130
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1131
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Big dan will be back in due course here with

1132
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1133
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:09,519
In detroit in A dezone a heavyweight main event for

1134
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the ladies later on this. Week we'll be in the

1135
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,119
preview mode later on this week for all of that

1136
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:17,000
as we wrap up the month Of. July for, now

1137
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:21,079
we are good off the, weekend recapping The pacqui Al burrios,

1138
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:25,440
draw The fundurro win out In, vegas The alexander Usak

1139
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:30,039
ko win Of, dubois and Even jesse Bam rodriguez victorious

1140
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,800
Over cafu Of South africa by the tenth. Round tko

1141
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,119
band was impressive and got the. Stoppage and now he's

1142
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:41,000
got that match With Puma martinez In, november third belt

1143
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:44,920
unification fight for Bam, rodriguez who's got quite the resume

1144
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,519
that he is amassed a fantastic smaller weight. Fighter there

1145
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:49,880
is no, doubt so we gave you all that of

1146
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,119
the recap. Mode we are good now coming off the

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00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:55,760
weekend everybody have a good. Week we've got much more

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Week for, now we are good For dan Raypiel i

1151
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:06,800
am MERELY Tj. Reech thank you for being locked, in,

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