WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.680 You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:06.440 a UFO hanging in We don't want. 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:09.480 To report every thirty one. Do you wish to report a. 4 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:14.960 UFO over hey, we want to one of those areas 5 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:15.439 thirty one. 6 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.160 Do you wish to find a report of any kind 7 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:17.320 of it? 8 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:22.519 I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds time area 9 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:27.320 thirty one me neither there were self if it was 10 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:31.480 anybody else above us to pass us, Like thirty seconds ago, 11 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:35.719 we were sending one top of golf negative, okay, OFFI 12 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:39.719 the UFO. Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. 13 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:41.119 Yes, if you passed over. 14 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:44.159 God, I don't know what it was. 15 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:47.280 But it's from at least to three thousand feet above us. See, 16 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:48.399 I passed right over the top. 17 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:54.520 Of US ninety one one. You just called both to 18 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:55.119 be be fours. 19 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:58.679 They're after staying the airplanes. 20 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:00.520 He is. 21 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:07.159 I to God on an unidentify object every liberty or 22 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.159 call or calm on an unidentified flying. 23 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:14.200 Object on. 24 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.280 Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share their 25 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:25.000 experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter, 26 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:27.560 I would like to be on the show. You can 27 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:47.879 email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 28 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:52.680 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show and twenty twenty five. 29 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:55.879 I hope you're all doing well and in good spirits. 30 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:59.400 I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast 31 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:02.040 to start off the new year. We are blessed with 32 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:05.159 the company of Tim in Wisconsin and his life took 33 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:08.520 us through Real turn at three forty three am, Mark 34 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:11.319 in the beginning of a series of strange events that 35 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:15.280 challenged his understanding of reality. Despite his attempts to lead 36 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:18.599 a normal existence, he was constantly drawn into a world 37 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:23.759 filled with UFOs, nightmares, lucid dreams, possible aid in interactions, 38 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:27.919 and inexplicable synchronicities. Join us as he delves into these 39 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:33.520 bizarre experiences, recount in traumatic moments as guideposts for self discovery. 40 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:37.199 His account serves as a personal testament to the idea 41 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:41.960 that sometimes truth can be stranger than fiction. Tim is 42 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:44.719 up next, but first, if you enjoy the show and 43 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.479 you would like to help support the podcast on Patreon, 44 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:49.879 you can do this for as little as one dollar 45 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:53.120 a month. Head on over to patreon dot com forward 46 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:56.680 slash UFO Chronicles podcast. You can also find a link 47 00:02:56.719 --> 00:02:59.520 in the description of this episode, any help is very 48 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:17.360 much of appreciate it. Now on the show. Hello, Tim, 49 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:19.039 Welcome to the podcast. 50 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.400 Hi there, Thank you so much for having me. It's 51 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:23.599 really an honor to be here. 52 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:27.759 We are glad you've joined us today. And you're calling 53 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:30.039 from Wisconsin in the US. 54 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:31.439 Yes, that's correct. 55 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:35.400 Well ten pm our time, and it's fridged out there, 56 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.439 so it's nice to be closing up doing this call 57 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:39.879 with you in our room. 58 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:44.000 That's the main thing. Keep nice and cozy. Okay, Now, Tim, 59 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.840 you've got some experiences to share with us. Would you 60 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:48.520 like to start at the beginning please. 61 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:52.080 Sir, Yes, absolutely, and again just thank you so much 62 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:56.159 for the opportunity to share. And I'll start a little 63 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:59.560 bit about myself, if that's all right. So my name 64 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:03.080 is Tim Kaye from the Midwest. Just turned forty this 65 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:08.599 year and I was born in Madison, Wisconsin, raised in Barboo, Wisconsin. 66 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:12.199 I live and work in the Forest, Wisconsin with my 67 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:15.719 family and three kids, my wife and two cats. Actually, 68 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:19.000 on my fortieth birthday, I celebrated by publishing a book 69 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:23.040 about my life and experiences. So that was really interesting 70 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:27.199 in a fun process. So my hobbies include modeling, many 71 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:31.560 painting modeling as in building models, rut down the runway, 72 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:36.040 you know, learning things outdoor life, hiking, camping, do a 73 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:39.480 lot of reading, video games, creative arts. I was a 74 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:43.560 B to B marketing professional for fifteen years, working in 75 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:47.759 different industries, and I've done most aspects of a full department, 76 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:53.920 including writing, editing, designing, lightweb developments, and more. Pretty regular person, 77 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:57.439 maybe even what you might call a dull dad other 78 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:59.519 than these things that have happened to me over the 79 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.639 time of my life. Some you know, a lot of 80 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:07.480 people I've talked to keep bringing up the concept of 81 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:11.720 a star seed and star trial or whatever and apply 82 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:16.879 that to my experiences. They and my experiences I've come 83 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:20.480 to believe and likely span my whole life. And they 84 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:23.439 began to peak in my mid twenties and then again 85 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:28.160 with what I would call information downloads, lucid dreams, and 86 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:33.319 even a random event of what probably was automatic writing 87 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:37.279 or drawing, and that was in my mid thirties. I've 88 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:41.160 always had an interest in the weird and unexplained or 89 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.800 it's too plausible, and quite a bit of you know, 90 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:49.879 strange things and synchronicities throughout my life that I always 91 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.319 try to just play off as coincidence, but lately it's 92 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:57.560 just been more of a well, you know, there might 93 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.399 be more to that than what I thought. Going on 94 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:03.199 to my mom and dad. Mom was born and raised 95 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:05.879 in South Dakota on the farm. You know, she did 96 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:09.680 say she had some experiences there, didn't go into much detail, 97 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:12.839 and so I kind of leave it there with that one. 98 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:18.079 My dad was born at Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska, actually, 99 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:22.759 and they met and married. They lived in Rithsburg for 100 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:26.040 quite a while. My brother and I were born in 101 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:31.240 the late eighties, mid to late eighties, and for a 102 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:34.360 time we lived in Loganville, Wisconsin, and again my mom 103 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:37.759 sued that she had some boddy events there, and then 104 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:42.800 we moved to Watoma and didn't really remember much from there. 105 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.759 But kind of my earliest memories are from where we 106 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:50.439 live most of my young life, which was in Fairboo, Wisconsin. 107 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:52.839 So I'm going to try to get right to it. 108 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:57.399 And one of my earliest experiences, which at the time 109 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:01.079 I didn't realize was really related to anything, but I 110 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:04.680 always wondered I was a recurring nightmare and in the 111 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:10.120 nightmare there what I see in the scene or my 112 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.040 knee is kind of up in the air, and I'm 113 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.000 looking into this dark space, which is a room of 114 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:20.879 some sort of circular shape, and at the foot of 115 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:26.000 where I'm laying, and I see these two figures, one 116 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:30.360 a female, one a male, and they both have this 117 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:35.360 strikingly plain and pale skin that they look like they're 118 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:40.560 dressed in evening attire, one in a like black sequence 119 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:45.839 dress and that was the female had long black hair 120 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:50.879 curled out the bands, but again very light and features. 121 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:52.360 In the face couldn't make out eyes. 122 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:56.879 The male was taller with dark, short cropped hair what 123 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:01.600 looked like kind of a cheesy mustache. I just remember 124 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:06.319 feeling very scared in that dream, more than just scared, 125 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:10.680 And as it as the dream kind of progresses, I 126 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:14.360 will I come to the awareness of a fear to 127 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.519 my right leaning over me and kind of having this 128 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:23.720 just be looking colds and the ball kind of had 129 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:27.040 and a primacy grin and kind of hands coming towards me. 130 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:32.759 The scene changes again and I see this device overhead 131 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:36.519 that looks like a long needle with a wider base 132 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:40.639 and kind of this intricate workings of what looks like 133 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:44.559 golden at the base and again. You know, the fear 134 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:47.320 is pretty strong there as a kid, not knowing what's 135 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:51.320 going on, and the dream always ended with feeling some 136 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:55.639 kind of weird pressure and either my abdomen or you know, 137 00:08:55.759 --> 00:09:00.200 my rear end basically, and then it would stop. So 138 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.440 that one always stuck with me, and I had it 139 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:05.799 over and over and over again. This would have been 140 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:12.519 probably elementary school. Do also remember during that time, This 141 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:17.279 is a conscious memory of a few times laying in bed, 142 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:21.399 I would be overcome with fear and I would take 143 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:25.480 my blankets and put them over my head. And what 144 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:28.960 I remember is seeing light, which I thought at the 145 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:33.399 time was probably moonlight or you know, dust light coming 146 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:38.080 in through my blanket. I would immediately start feeling white 147 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:42.919 pressure around my sides on a blanket coming down, kind 148 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:47.240 of poking feelings, and it just I was terrified. I 149 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:50.159 didn't know what it was. I couldn't hear anything. My 150 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:53.480 brother was asleep in the bunk bed below me. I 151 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:58.039 had the top bun And what was interesting is there 152 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.960 was this little hap above gray window that was shining 153 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:05.279 into our rooms, and I was that had something to 154 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:05.639 do with it. 155 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:07.480 In that light. 156 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:11.279 I remember being an on color sometimes I remember and 157 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:15.519 it's kind of a weird green or kind of a 158 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:19.559 lighter blue or greenish blue. And every time that that 159 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:22.679 would happen, once you know, they started whatever it was 160 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.360 started getting to broaden, it felt like they were pushing 161 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:27.759 the blank down around me. 162 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:29.559 When I looked back at that. 163 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:34.600 You know, in those elementary years, I try to remember 164 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:37.720 other things that may have gone on that those are 165 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:42.440 the main ones. I do remember experiencing deja vu very often, 166 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:45.799 and it was very startling, and it was just I 167 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:49.000 felt like I was suffering through deja vu because it 168 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:53.360 felt like I was doing something I'd already done. And 169 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:57.759 I'm like, you know, kind of fruitless things going on, 170 00:10:57.960 --> 00:10:59.159 like them doing it again. 171 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:01.679 Why am I do this? I already have done it, 172 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:03.600 that sort of thing. 173 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:08.519 There's some other synchronicities, and you know, elementary school and 174 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:12.799 growing up, but there wasn't much after those really early 175 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:16.279 years that I recalled I did, so, you know, kind 176 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:23.000 of forwarding fast, forwarding on to college, very busy and 177 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:27.480 you know, doing my own thing, becoming an independent person, 178 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:31.320 going to class, that sort of thing, finding new friends. 179 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.840 As an art graphic design major, I was very shocked 180 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:37.919 to find how much time I had to spend in 181 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:41.639 the studio rather than going out and going to parties 182 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:45.360 and drinking like a lot of classmates, which was interesting. 183 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:51.720 But anyways, I remember one particular nightmare I had during 184 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:56.200 college was very lucid, very vivid. There was an image 185 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:01.200 of this creature, a nit maarriish thing looking at me, 186 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:05.559 laying on its side and screaming like like a I 187 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:08.080 don't know, it was like gurgling and screaming at the 188 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:12.440 same time. Had these catlike eyes with a slit. It 189 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:17.080 was all gray and has this really pronounced ridge bony 190 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:21.320 structure on its chest, and from what I could see, 191 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:25.200 it almost looked like it was being crushed or it 192 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:28.960 was in pain or something like that. So towards at 193 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:33.440 the at the end of the dream, I remember changing 194 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:38.440 from sheer terror and dread to like almost pity, And 195 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:41.720 of course the dream just stops abruptly and I wake 196 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:45.039 up and I'm left with, you know, wonders of what 197 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:47.399 the heck was that and what is going on there? 198 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:51.200 So probably worth mentioning. I took a trip out to 199 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:55.120 Utah with my mom. She drove and we went through 200 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:59.039 the mountains in Colorado, through the snowstorm and into Utah. 201 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:05.200 I did remember that we saw what I thought was 202 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:09.600 an odd craft that was silently flying kind of over 203 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:12.360 the valley that we were in on the other side 204 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:16.440 of the mountains, and it was shiny and silvery. Don't 205 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:19.919 remember hearing any sound or seeing any other aircraft or 206 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:24.679 even jet trails behind it. Now I tend to just 207 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:26.559 kind of chalk it up as maybe it was just 208 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.960 a plane or you know, a jet, but it was 209 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:33.120 still very odd, and I'll kind of always refer to 210 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:35.240 that as the possible. 211 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:35.639 Fighting I had. 212 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:39.879 And you know, to the listeners here and you you're 213 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:43.919 probably gonna, you know, get familiar with a lot of 214 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:48.039 what I've had as experiences aren't typical traditional U of 215 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:51.200 both signings, but there's some in there. So that's forward 216 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:54.559 a little bit more met my life in college and 217 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:57.879 later around we moved in together in post college. We 218 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:02.559 got our own apartment that was just outside of Madison, Wisconsin, 219 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:06.679 in a little town called sun Prairie, and it was 220 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:09.000 going pretty well and you know, doing the work thing 221 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:12.200 and all that. What was interesting is that at that 222 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:17.279 time I started to notice this peculiar sense of anxiety 223 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:21.799 that would just spend most evenings or around us usually 224 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:25.320 after dinner. This was in my mid to early twenties again, 225 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:29.399 and my wife would fall asleep pretty early after dinner, 226 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:32.440 you know, just before we actually went to bed. I 227 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:35.559 remember I was feeling really alone at that point and 228 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.799 I just always had a vague, unsettled feelings for whatever reason. 229 00:14:40.279 --> 00:14:43.639 We also were into, you know, looking at the stars. 230 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:46.080 This before we had kids and we can go do 231 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:49.159 this stuff. Late night, we took a drive I remember, 232 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:52.639 probably within the winter, outside of Town North on the 233 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.720 highway and or something like that, and we looked over Madison. 234 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.759 Now granted, Madison has the air now Guard true Acts 235 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:07.360 airfield there and international Airport and some private airstrips, so 236 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:12.320 very busy airport. But I do remember seeing what I 237 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:16.759 thought was a peculiar aircraft. If it was an airplane, 238 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:20.399 I thought it was some something strange where it was 239 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:24.559 hovering this light. It was night again and probably the 240 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:30.039 size of a small button over Madison, and the light 241 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:36.120 stayed very bright and then suddenly disappeared, and you know, 242 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:39.159 at the time I was really unsure what that could 243 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:44.039 have been, and reported it to move on forward again, 244 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:46.639 and we're going to get to kind of where things 245 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.639 I would say heat up for my own experiences, and 246 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:55.080 up until this point, you know, even those early nightmares 247 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:59.519 and experiences I had kind of pushed aside, and I 248 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:02.559 don't know if I would say forgot about, but just 249 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:05.519 was trying to live life. After the birth of my 250 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:10.320 first son was about three months in, I started waking 251 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:14.440 up late at early mornings, almost every. 252 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:17.600 Day at the same time, and that time. 253 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.519 Was three point forty three am, and I would wake 254 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:24.360 up feeling like I was in shop or in terror, 255 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.799 or suddenly like, you know, something had just happened. But 256 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:32.720 the interesting thing was I never had any dreams to 257 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:37.799 speak of or remembered, and never had any knowledge of 258 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:41.559 anything happening. I'd wake up suddenly, sit up, you know, 259 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:45.559 I'm breathing kind of fast in that state of anxiety 260 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.519 and high stress. I'd look over my wife's to sleeve 261 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:52.080 like nothing happened. And I'd say that probably went on 262 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:56.600 for months, months and months I've been It culminated in 263 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:00.840 a major event of becoming aware of things. I would 264 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:04.400 say that I was the catalyst for changing my life 265 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:06.680 trajectory of either. 266 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:07.599 Kind of ignoring me. 267 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:10.279 It's things for the rest of my life, are really 268 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:11.200 looking into them. 269 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:12.000 One night. 270 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:16.400 I am waking up, but I realized I'm not able 271 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:21.160 to open my eyes and I can't move. And to 272 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:25.799 add to it, I am hearing this deafening hum, this 273 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.920 rhythmic low hum that's like vibrating my whole. 274 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:30.839 Body and my bones. 275 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.720 And the best way I could describe it is the 276 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:39.000 sound that the alien probe made in the Star Trek 277 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:42.759 film with the whales. You know, that's a pretty specific reference, 278 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:46.759 but it sounded so much like that it really stuck 279 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:47.119 with me. 280 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:49.920 Before long, you know. 281 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:54.519 That stopped. I could open my eyes and like all 282 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:59.519 at once, I sat up, just completely not knowing what 283 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:03.319 is going on. Look to my right, my wife is 284 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:07.519 akin a sleep, dead to the world. I tried to 285 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:11.880 whisper her, you know, to her, pushed her. She never 286 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:16.039 woke up. I look around and the room is just 287 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:20.839 kind of covered in this weird light. It's kind of blue, 288 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:24.039 maybe moonlight. I'm not really sure. 289 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:25.720 At the time a room. 290 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:28.799 Was painted light blue, baby blue, so I don't know 291 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:30.720 if that, you know, could have been part of it. 292 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:36.759 But the next part of this experience was probably really 293 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:38.960 even tipped the skill more to being so. 294 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:40.799 I guess terrifying. 295 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:46.039 At the time, I suddenly became aware of this presence 296 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:50.279 right next to me on my left side of our bed, 297 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:54.599 and as an instinctive reflex, I swipe out with my 298 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:58.119 left hand and look over at the same time, and 299 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:03.559 I felt this deep, deep hold my hand entered, and 300 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:08.599 I noticed right as that happened, this shadow kind of 301 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:12.559 melts and flits out of our window right at the 302 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:15.000 foot of our bed, and that would have been facing 303 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:19.559 kind of the north west ish side. That was like, 304 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:21.359 if you kept going in the straight line, you hit 305 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.759 the Madison Airport. So after that happened, I sat there 306 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:27.480 for a while, just kind of trying to gather my 307 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:31.559 wits that was an insane thing that had just happened, 308 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:36.240 and went to the bathroom and came back to bed, 309 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:40.519 And those events started to taper off after that, the 310 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:44.119 waking at three forty three. But I remember having a 311 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:48.240 conversation a few times with my brother shortly afterwards and 312 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:52.480 started to think that and you know, this is where 313 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.039 the conspiracy side of this phenomenon kind of comes into plane, 314 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:58.240 Like you wonder if you were really losing it or not. 315 00:19:58.799 --> 00:19:59.279 I could have. 316 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:02.680 Sworn I had a AT and T cellphone. This was 317 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:08.880 probably let's see about thirteen twelve years ago, so pretty 318 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:12.039 basic functioning at the time. I remember when we were 319 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:16.079 talking it would sound like a landline was picking up 320 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:19.960 and clicking off on my phone. So I always wondered 321 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:23.039 if you know, something was going on as far as 322 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:26.480 like being listened to, And I know how crazy that 323 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.559 can sound, but to the people who was experienced things 324 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:32.359 like this, nothing is really out as the realm of possibility, 325 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:37.880 you know, just a really life altering series of events there. 326 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:44.000 And that was something that I really tried to forget about, honestly, 327 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:48.920 in the series of life events, I was really unfulfilled 328 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:51.440 with my work and my job kind of left there 329 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:53.440 unsure of what to do. 330 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:56.400 Took some other jobs, stayed at. 331 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:59.720 Home for a little bit, and eventually got a great 332 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.480 role in another town in another state in Rochester, Minnesota. 333 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:06.720 So we're right the next stage of life. Soon after that, 334 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:10.720 we had another child, and there was some other odd 335 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:16.039 events that occurred. I had some again I've been played 336 00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:19.799 by nightmares and Lucid James forever. One of the houses 337 00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:23.039 we had there was a toy that we got that 338 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:27.839 was badly powered and it was dead, or at least 339 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:30.920 the batteries weren't working right, and a couple of nights 340 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:33.200 we had it go off randomly in the middle of 341 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.119 the night. And at that house, I always felt like 342 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:41.359 somebody was watching me or were kind of messing with us. 343 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:42.240 I know that's a. 344 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:45.640 Little more on the paranormal ghost side of things, but 345 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:48.519 there was something with that house. And then I had 346 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:55.920 a nightmare of someone taking over my body, and another 347 00:21:55.960 --> 00:22:00.599 one of a nightmare of my wife and I at 348 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:04.559 my dad's house, which was my grandma's health and I 349 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:08.759 ended up talking to someone that was possibly dead in 350 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:13.440 that house or had died, and which if we fast 351 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:16.599 forward a little bit, the same room that my dad 352 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:21.279 later passed away in, which was very unnerving to me 353 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:25.279 the time. But again, like through all this, I've got 354 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:27.400 a new job, our family's growing, and we're in a 355 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:30.920 new home, news state, and we're trying to live our 356 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.680 lives and a lot of all this other stuff. Kind 357 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.119 of I forget about push away brush aside. You know, 358 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:40.640 it's like, nah, I don't really interesting things often, that's 359 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:45.079 nothing's going on there. Well, we're at a grocery store 360 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:49.400 towards our the end of our time living in Rochester. 361 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.799 The star is called highbe and for whatever reason, I 362 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:57.039 came across an advertisement for something with what you would 363 00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:59.440 call your typical grain a face of a grand there 364 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:04.200 I stopped into my tracks. I was frozen. It triggered 365 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:08.119 something in me, and that always. 366 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:08.599 Stuck with me. You know. 367 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.039 It took me a minute to feel myself away, but 368 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:14.599 that seeing that visual just struck something in me like 369 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:18.400 I had seen it before, or it just it wasn't good. 370 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:22.799 And again that happened. I didn't say much to anybody. 371 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:25.519 I kind of went on my way, but I'd always 372 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:30.200 unraveled something, and I think that slowly kind of kept coming. 373 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:31.279 To the surface over time. 374 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:35.359 Now we're going to fast forward again some more. Eventually 375 00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:39.319 I got an even better opportunity back home in Madison. 376 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:43.799 My wife told me that we were expecting our third child. 377 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:50.880 And after everybody got back home, I moved first and worked, 378 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:53.400 and then I would go back and visit until we 379 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:57.559 were all moved there. I got this weird interest in 380 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:00.720 the topic that seemed to come from nowhere. You know, 381 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:03.599 I'm trying to live a normal life again and new 382 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:07.599 big change. But I was always with one foot in 383 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.319 each world, you know, this side of things in the 384 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:15.839 the UFO and possible induction stuff. On the other I 385 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:18.519 just felt compelled to start reading more on the topic. 386 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:22.839 I read books and bogs other things, websites, you know, 387 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:27.359 watch some documentaries, but in particular, I think the first 388 00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:31.720 book I read was John Max John eMac's book Encounters 389 00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:36.440 or something like that. And again, we are in our house, 390 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:40.880 we're currently in now, and I came to a page 391 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:44.640 with an experience who's drawing of a gray with black eyes, 392 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:51.680 and it just completely got me triggered something deep up 393 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:56.680 here and you know, revulsion, like just I couldn't look 394 00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:59.599 at it. Instinctively shut the book and put it down. 395 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:04.480 I was shaking after seeing that. That obviously didn't sit 396 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.119 well with me. And we were putting our kids to 397 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:09.720 bed during that time, and I tried to not say 398 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:13.920 anything to anybody, but I always knew that that meant 399 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:17.240 something that I couldn't ignore it anymore. I needed to 400 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:21.519 find out what was going on. Yeah, Shortly after that, 401 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:25.119