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Speaker 1: All right. This is Jeff Crampton from Hokatoke, Alberta, Canada,

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and I play at the Roco Golf Course in Calgary,

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but like Fred, I also like to play EPCs on

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Santi Bay and Baja Mexico. This is golf Smarter number

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of nine fifty nine.

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Speaker 2: I know one of Brad's good friends, Jason Logan, the

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editor of Score Golf. He was a guy who's like, hey,

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I don't wear a golf glove, just grew up, didn't

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need it, didn't want one, and he finally tried one.

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I think he got a free glove in a tournament

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or something, and he just hadn't worn a glove in

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like fifteen years, and he was amazed at the difference.

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My golf spy did some testing with golfers who wore

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a glove and didn't wear a glove, and you'll hit

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the ball further, so you have better control of the club,

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and there's data on it can actually increase your distance.

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I think it was fairly nominal, but it will have

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an impact on your game. I can't imagine playing golf

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without one. I get fairly sweaty hands and sometimes I'll

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chip without a glove. Maybe for a little bit of

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extra feel, but I couldn't hit a full shot, couldn't

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imagine it. I think the data is something like ninety

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five percent of golfers wear golf glove.

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Speaker 3: Red Rooster golf Gloves continues to raise the bar and

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turn heads with co founder Kerrie Mark. This is Golf Smarter,

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sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to

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help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf

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Smarter podcast.

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Speaker 2: Carry Hello, Fred, great to see.

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Speaker 3: You, Bud, so glad to have you back on the show.

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And before we go anywhere, I just want to say

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thank you so much for supporting our Golf Smarter Ambassador

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program and giving gloves and glove storage compartments to the

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Golf Smarter Ambassadors who request them. We give them a

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choice of gifts and yours has been one for a

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long time and I really appreciate your generosity with this.

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Speaker 2: It's been great. Yeah, they seem to really enjoy getting

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to choose from our wide range of gloves. And I

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actually have a really cool update for you on the

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glove compartment. We're working on the two point zero version

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that'll be able to share one of the pre production prototypes.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, well, I you know, you recently sent me

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the latest glove compartment. It's beautiful. It's like, I don't

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know if it's leather, but it feels like it. It

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looks like it.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're upgrading from that.

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Speaker 2: So I have an update on that. So we're doing

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we do have an upgrade on that. We're starting to

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do working with customs. We're working with some golf courses,

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we're doing some corporate events, member guests. To be able

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to while we're talking, I'll show you we can do

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like embroidery, okay, so we can customize it. And then

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we're doing this is the latest and greatest. It's sort

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of like an etched pewter, so you can sort of

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obviously been selling a lot of them to our own customers.

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It's the higher end version of the glove compartment. We

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call it the cockpit, and it's more of a you know,

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go in the in the shoe locker. You can you know,

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throw it in your bag, as opposed to the glove compartment,

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which hangs on your bag and you know, you sort

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of dry the gloves during the round, so they.

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Speaker 3: We just call them all cockpit. I think that's so funny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great name. That's a Brad's wife. She

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comes up with all these amazing names. She's just got

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a great marketing mind. And most of the names of

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our products.

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Speaker 3: She let me ask where red Rooster golf. That name

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came from.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's actually my nickname.

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Speaker 3: So you can see my Oh you have red hair,

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so red rooster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad, I mean I have My mom and

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dad have of dark brown hair, and all my siblings

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the red Rooster. That was my nickname. And we liked

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the idea of the tagline, wake up your golf game,

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tried to beat it and and we couldn't come up

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Speaker 3: So it's I'm glad it's not the ginger golf. And

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how's business. I mean, it's really come a long way

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since we were first introduced to red Rooster golf. When

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you were just had this idea of creating a glove

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subscription service, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean we've been chatting since our Kickstarter launch, so

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started as well. And you know, I know you were

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intrigued by the subscription service and I remember having a

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really good chat to just kind of talk through that.

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think it's our best service. It's just it's hard to

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know when to change a glove, and when gloves arrive,

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it's that nice reminder and it's you get our best price.

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can buy them as needed. It's so easy with shop

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of show you here. We're doing lots of fun things

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with colors and with different celebrating you know, Fourth of

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July Canada Day, the British open, so there's lots of

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lots of our customers are just flexible to see what's

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the latest and greatest kind of like color or style

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we come out with, and they want to be flexible

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to grab them. But it's ever since the Kickstarter and

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we launched later that fall, it's just been you know,

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that hockey stick Curve just continues to grow.

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Speaker 3: Canadians love the hockey stick Curve.

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, and so and so do entrepreneurs.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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a social game. So when you find a product and

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talk and share. So product's good and we get lots

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of word of mouth advertising, so we just continue to grow.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations, the product is very good. Thank you, very good.

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what did you have a five year plan and think

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about expansion. I'm sure that you did, because you do

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have a great business mind. But what were you hoping

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to achieve with Kickstarter? And then how did you see

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Speaker 2: That always, yeah, that's a good question. We did. We

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did do some strategic planning. That's how we came up

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fairly successful, and I would say we're ahead of expectations

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at this point going into year three, which is which

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one thousand true fans. That was kind of we felt

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like we needed to start there. And the Kickstarter goal

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was to get eleven get a thousand backers. We thought

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if we could, if we can convince a thousand people

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they'll tell a friend of a friend and things will

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sort of mushroom and grow. And the Kickstarter we got

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was eleven hundred eighty seven backers, so it you know,

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met the expectations, exceeded them, and we felt like we

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could build a business around that, especially on the subscription model.

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we'll have more than fifteen thousand customers. You know, we'll

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probably sell seventy five thousand gloves this year.

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Speaker 3: You are kidding, no, So it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been going great.

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Speaker 3: I mean, where does that put you in the glove industry,

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the market's huge, you know, there's there's there's no definitive data,

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but it's between sort of fifty and sixty million gloves

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so it's a huge market, but most of it is

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through appropriate the gloves are sold through pro shops and

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give back. What would that look like. That's how we

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donate gloves to youth golf and that's been amazing, just

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super rewarding to give kids these gloves. And our youth

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each hand. We have the smallest glove available in the

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market period. Because I have three daughters who I'm you know,

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desperately trying to convince to play golf, and they're tough

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nut to crack, but all three of them, even though

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of their guests wearing red rooster gloves. They know, they

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gloves to eleven hundred customers, and when we finally got

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those gloves, you know, three or four months later, we

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Speaker 3: And yeah, every time I received a glove and I

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saw a handwritten note, I'm like touching, going, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we still do it, We enjoy it. We know

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all the customers and even though we're growing and we've

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you know, if you like our gloves and you play

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a lot of golf, you'll be back you were you'll

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tell a friend. But we also we offer we call

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overwhelmingly the feedback so positive that it's so fun to

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and they take over, and they're now you're playing middle

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you know, playing a bit of telephone. You know, if

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they have issues, we'll fully support them, but we're not

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interacting directly with that customer. We really enjoy that part

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of the direct to consumer experience.

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Speaker 3: And would you rather be in pro shops or retail

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or PGA superstore type of situations? Do you have a

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preference on where you want to go next when you

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do go on retail side.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to start with with golf courses. So

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we've we've had a number We've.

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Speaker 3: Been a lot of customization there too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, and that and we're at the point

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now where we can handle that. So, you know, the

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first couple of years a we were just trying to

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figure out the direct to consumer space period and our

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own manufacturing and fulfillment and everything was new. We're, you know,

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three years in, we've got that pretty dialed in. Now

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we're learning, you know, a new channel. So we're going

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to move slowly. We have a number of courses that

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have expressed interest for you, and so we're going to

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kind of like start with our best friends where there's

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the right fit, and kind of slowly branch out from there.

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So we're looking for partners willing to you know, we will.

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We're pretty honest that this is all new for us

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and be all new for us next year. We'll probably

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have a bit of a learning curve and some pickups

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along the way, So we want to have, you know,

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the right partners who really appreciate our product and want it.

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We're not sort of pushing our way in making a

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lot of sales calls. We actually just have a bunch

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of golf courses that have expressed interest and this is

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the year where we're going to start to work with

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them and meet those needs. So we'll kind of start

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there and kind of branch out slowly learn from it,

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see how things go. But yeah, we're excited about it.

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Speaker 3: That's great. That's great. So by going to a retail

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direction when you get there, does that make it more

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healing for larger companies to buy you out? Is that

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a goal for Red Rooster Golf? For you guys, now

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now that you're seeing your your hockey stick, hockey stick trajectory.

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It's like, no, no, we're in this one. We're taking

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it to the to the top on our own.

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Speaker 2: No, that's not really a consideration. I've never really thought of.

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You know, I have how a serial entrepreneur I have,

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you know, I've bought and sold businesses, and this is

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one I've never been in a business that I'm been

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this passionate about. So I'm really enjoying it. You know,

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we're doing really well, which is great. We're making a

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really good living, we're having fun doing it, and we'll

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and I've been through that where I did sell a

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business and probably had some regret after just that, Like,

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I was enjoying it. It was making money, we were

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having fun, and we sold it and we did well.

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But all of a sudden, I had a couple of

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years there I was sort of soul searching and I'm I'm,

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you know, forty six turning forty seven in a few weeks.

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I'm not I'm looking to do this for a long time,

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And so that wasn't really a consideration. I think we

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actually just we're excited about the retail space because we've

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got partners who really want us. So it's it's just

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the right fit. We we kind of had said no,

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and then we're like, why would we say no? These are,

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you know, perfectly good partners. It's a good channel. We're

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not trying to you know, push our way in or

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we don't. It's a bit sort of stress free, and

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we have a great manufacturing partner who can support us.

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So we're just it feels like the next logical step.

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Speaker 3: You're an August baby, Yes, me too, August eleventh, August fourth, okay, Leo, Yeah,

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but I think I've got twenty plus years on you.

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You said forty seven.

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Speaker 2: I'll be forty seven on August eleventh. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sixty nine, okay.

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Speaker 2: Looking good for it? Looking good for sixty nine.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, it's because we're both wearing our red shirts today.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: You guys have won some awards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've done Yeah, we've done well. My golf Spy

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has been awfully good to us score golf as well.

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The you know, the product's really good. It's uh, we

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we built It's funny because we tried. We wanted to differentiate.

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So when we came into the market, the idea was

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build a glove that last. There's this expectation from golfers

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that when you buy, you know, the more you spend,

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the longer that glove will last. But usually the more

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you spend, the thinner and softer that glove is. And

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you know, for instance, like the titleist players glove, it's

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a beautiful glove, but it's built for touring pros. It's

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good for a round or two realistically, especially in the heat.

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But you know, most golfers expect to get eight, ten,

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twelve rounds out of a glove, so we built a

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glove that will hold up to that. And then I

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think the only knock was we don't have the thin

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soft glove. So last summer we came up with the

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Sussex that is our call it our tournament glove. And

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it's funny because we only offer one glove in that

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style and it's now our number one seller.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So we were sort of known for our durability and

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known for our you know, still super soft glove, but

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we'll sort of meat expectations and now our thin soft

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glove is the glove that is outselling everything. But it's

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nice to have options.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because if you think about you want to

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build a glove to last, I wonder if the consumer

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impression of a subscription service, oh I can get a

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new glove every month, I wonder if they're not very

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good gloves. I mean, you know, you think the mindset

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could be if they want me to change it out

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every so often, then how good can the glove be?

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And yet you're like, no, no, no, these gloves will

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last you. And the other thing is, you know, I

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live on the West Coast. I don't have to deal

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with humidity, so I don't go through gloves that fast.

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The times that I've played in human weather, I was like, oh,

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this thing's changing color and sticking to me, you know,

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because I like taking off for putting, So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We have found with subscribers that if anything, they because

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our gloves last so long that they move off the

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subscription because the reminder comes up and they're like, you

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know this thing, I don't need it replace brand new

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so far. So, but there's a lot of flexibility with

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the subscription too, so it's not doesn't have to be monthly, right.

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We have some who are on buy we you know,

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or they get multiple gloves when the gloves come in

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a month, or you can get them every two months,

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every three months. Every quarter, you can skip a shipment,

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you can set you know, you can get a glove

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in October and set your next one for April. So

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it's the customers using the subscription are the ones who

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are pretty active with it because you can change gloves.

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You can get rain gloves one month, you can get

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our practice glove, the range rooster, you can get a

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new style, and you can so it's pretty flexible and

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I think that are customers that use that flexibility are

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the ones that that kind of appreciate it. And if

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you know, others like to get five six gloves at

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a time and there's their gloves for the year. So

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it's it's more just giving people as many options as

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possible so that they choose which one suits them best.

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Speaker 3: I have, I think one friend who doesn't wear a glove.

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Everybody wears gloves. Why do we wear gloves when we're

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playing golf? And how do I convince this one friend

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that he really needs to be wearing a glove.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're right. We actually have a lot of customers

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who wear two gloves. Oh wear among both hands and

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sometimes it's for sun protection and for sometimes it's for feel.

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But the gloves started it. It's for feel, right, especially

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like in humid conditions, and it's that you know that

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soft ca bread of leather, it's really tacky, so it

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really it's for grip. I know one of Brad's good friends,

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Jason Logan, he's the editor of Score Golf, and he

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was a guy who's like, hey, I don't wear a

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golf glove and just grew up, didn't need it, didn't

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want one, and he finally tried one. I think he

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got a free glove in a tournament or something, and

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he just hadn't worn a glove in like fifteen years,

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and he was amazed at the difference. And I know

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golf my golf spy did. They did some testing with

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golfers who wore a glove and didn't wear a glove,

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and you actually you'll hit the ball further, so you

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have a better you have better control of the club,

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and there's you know, data on it can actually increase

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your distance. I think it was, you know, fairly nominal,

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but it will have an impact on your game. I

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can't imagine playing golf without one. I get fairly sweaty

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hands and I can't hold on. Sometimes I'll chip without

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a glove. Maybe for a little bit of extra feel,

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but I couldn't hit a full shot. I couldn't imagine it.

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I think the data is something like ninety five percent

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of golfers wear a golf glove.

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Speaker 3: Incredible. Yeah, it makes total sense. And again I probably

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when I pull out a wedge and definitely the putter,

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I'll pull the glove off. So it goes on and

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off and on and off. And I've never had any

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problem with any tearing or wear like that. If I

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have anywhere at all, it's probably in the the left

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of the palm of my hand, opposite of my thumb.

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Speaker 2: That's where we see the most wear for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, but I think figuring out what size glove

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to wear is probably a huge issue for most consumers.

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Speaker 2: That's what we see we do. I mentioned we're doing

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a pro am brad Is a Brad's in Ottawa in

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late July playing in the PJ Tour America's event, and

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that program is two hundred people in it. And when

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we fit up those two hundred people, I would estimate

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that just about everybody's you know, got a glove. Most

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of them are like they hide it when because it's

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usually like pretty old and ratty, even though they've spent

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you know, these pro ams. You might they're spending thousands

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of dollars to play in this event and they've got

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this you know, rolled up glove.

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Speaker 3: But they can stand up on its own.

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Speaker 2: Probably yeah, yeah, pretty crusty.

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Speaker 3: Give you the finger right with one fingers sticking.

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Speaker 2: Up or holes in it. So everybody's happy to get

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a new, fresh glove. But I would estimate that at

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least half of them will lead or upwards of that

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will leave with a glove in a size that they're

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not currently wearing. In a lot of cases, most people

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just don't know what cadet sizes are. So that's slightly

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shorter finger in a wider palm, and most people just

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know it's not a very good name. It sounds like

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you're in the military, or they say, or it sounds

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like a kid's glove. So the industry needs to come

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up with a better name for cadet.

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Speaker 3: Late yet can change that now, but maybe could change mind.

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Speaker 2: And normally it's and I would say one hundred percent

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of the time when we're changing their size, they're going

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down at least one size sometimes too, they're never going up.

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I've never come across someone who's wearing a glove that's

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too small. They're always wearing one that's too big, right,

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and you want it. The glove should be really tight.

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Most people will wear it almost like a regular glove.

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You can just see most gloves are just a bit loose.

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They're pulling the strap way over. The thing gets so

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you get a more wear and tear in that case,

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and the glove doesn't last as long and obviously doesn't

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perform as well. So we love doing events where we

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do glove fittings because we expose them to you know,

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our gloves come in thirty four sizes when you include

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thirty six sizes, when you include our youth gloves, you

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know talking feet, nail, female, right, left hand, cadet and

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regular that it's a really wide range. And when we

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lay them out on the table and everybody sees how

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many size options they're, they're often blown away because they think,

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you know, there's probably like eight to ten sizes and

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both so we can really fit up, you know, and

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we go up to you know, double xcel. So often

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females are wearing like a men's size because the female

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sizes are pretty a pretty small range. Some women wear

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a kid's glove, you know, and some guys need to

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wear a female glove they've got a smaller hand, and

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so yeah, we love those events. It's just it's fun

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to get somebody fit properly. For In a lot of cases,

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00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:51,400
it's the first time they've ever had a glove that

474
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:54,359
you know, fits them really well. Makes a big difference,

475
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:57,640
and you've educated them on something and they, you know,

476
00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:00,680
modify that moving forward. So we try to do as

477
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,720
many events as we can fit in the calendar.

478
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 3: And what's the process of getting fitted for a glove.

479
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: So often will when they come up they've got a size,

480
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:14,240
we get them to put on their glove. We can

481
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,119
tell right away if the glove they're wearing fits or not.

482
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:21,319
It's usually too big. So they usually start with, you know,

483
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,519
this is the size I wear. We either, you know,

484
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:26,799
if that glove fits properly, then we'll give them an

485
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,720
If they're a medium, then we'll give them a medium.

486
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,200
And often but we'll do a fitting. We'll put the

487
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:35,160
medium on. We'll get them, you know, to try that

488
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,519
glove on. We look at the fit and we'll see

489
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:41,079
if if it's a little bit loose, you know, we

490
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,759
might go down to a small. If it's a little

491
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:47,480
you know, tight in the palm, we might go to

492
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:50,799
a cadet medium, which gives them a little bit more

493
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:54,720
space through. We call cadet like a construction hand. It's

494
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:58,400
kind of like it's that sort of meaty palm and

495
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,079
shorter fit. And there's you're a cadet.

496
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: I am yeah, medium, medium large cadet.

497
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: There you go medium large cadet and.

498
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,559
Speaker 3: Talk about specific size.

499
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,359
Speaker 2: And I think also as a direct to consumer brand,

500
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,960
we're finding that a probably a higher percentage of our

501
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,799
customers were cadet because they have a hard time finding

502
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:27,640
cadet in pro shops. A lot of pro shops just

503
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,319
carry regular gloves. Red Rooster carries the widest range of

504
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:38,440
sizes of any brand, including Titleist. Titleist doesn't carry right

505
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,880
hand cadet. They just don't do it because it's a

506
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,720
relatively small market and they are not worth it for them.

507
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:51,200
And those customers are our customers because we offer it

508
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,440
and they can't find it other places. So I think

509
00:29:56,359 --> 00:30:00,240
we tend to skew also with lefties, you know, they

510
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,640
have a hard time finding gloves we offer, you know.

511
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,039
Speaker 3: And clubs and clubs.

512
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:09,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we go kind of like deep on the

513
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:12,759
on the sizes and kind of build those relationships. So

514
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:14,920
I do think we're kind of probably if you look

515
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,079
at our customer data, it's probably not industry data. We're

516
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,839
just finding maybe those we serve the obscure sizes that

517
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,279
are maybe hard to find.

518
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: And that's one of the advantages of direct to consumer.

519
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so one to one.

520
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: Communication as opposed to you know, surveys to middlemen whatnot.

521
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:34,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

522
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: What about women who have long nails and they have

523
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,680
you know, like they're really concerned about the quality of

524
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,160
the life of their nails and the look and stuff.

525
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,640
Does that change the size of the glove if they

526
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,839
have the longer nails.

527
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, what they'll often do is we'll see the those

528
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:58,079
are now that the women's gloves do have longer fingers

529
00:30:58,759 --> 00:31:03,680
relative to the men's glove simply because like that is,

530
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:08,400
women have kind of longer, thinner fingers, and so those

531
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,799
gloves are kind of fitted to that. Anyway, they are

532
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:15,039
slightly longer, not for the purpose of the nails, and

533
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,880
certainly like some nails just can't be accommodated. I hear

534
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,200
some women they actually cut the top and of the

535
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,319
fingers so that the if you have very long nails,

536
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,279
so that they can go through. In other cases, the

537
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:34,319
gloves are sort of allow for that little extra room

538
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,480
so that the nails fit in there. We have a

539
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:40,160
lot of a lot of female customers and we've rolled

540
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,279
out I think I showed you these rainbow of colors.

541
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,400
We've got, you know, a beautiful lavender, you know, sort

542
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,559
of purple glove, and this pink glove here a soft pink,

543
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:55,559
and this yellow canary color and this really nice soft

544
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,039
green emerald color. So we've we've also tried to not

545
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,759
only offer enough sizes and for women, but also like

546
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,720
styles that appeal to them. So these gloves that I

547
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,759
showed you, they were offered to female only. We would

548
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:15,160
often make a glove and it's realistically more styled for

549
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:19,799
men offered in women's sizes. And now we're featuring more

550
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:25,519
styles that cater to the female audience, fit their personal

551
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:29,440
you know, style tastes, match outfits. Just trying to be

552
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,079
flexible to meet that market. That's one of the biggest

553
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:35,759
growing markets right now for new golfers is female golfers.

554
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: Especially with lots of colors women buy like just the

555
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:41,359
rainbow of colors all at once, just depending on the

556
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,240
outfit that they have.

557
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: I mean, that's right. We would see like all four

558
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:45,680
of those gloves.

559
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: Even if I did that from my various styles of

560
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,640
clothes or colors of clothes. Nobody would notice. But the women,

561
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,400
they're like, wait a minute, didn't you wear that colored

562
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,599
glove last time we played together?

563
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,039
Speaker 2: That's right? The details.

564
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:12,519
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's talk about the product line because you know,

565
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,319
again when we first started, you had a couple of gloves,

566
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:20,319
and you have really gone way beyond that. Now again,

567
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,599
the Red Rooster brand is so strong and it looks

568
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:29,400
so good that you know, you've just found other places

569
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:36,799
to put your logo on it and it's not just

570
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,799
gloves and hats.

571
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:41,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. So the first products who did it

572
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,880
was the gloves, and we offered it an accessory, the

573
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,000
glove compartment, and we're coming up because.

574
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,319
Speaker 3: They're the original one. Yeah.

575
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so this is the second version of this

576
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,279
is going to be like a two point zero. We've

577
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:59,680
made this is it's waterproof. We've improved the velcro here,

578
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:04,559
we've improved the zipper. It's a more rugged, easy to

579
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,760
open zipper. It has the inside has a closed pocket.

580
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,960
Now it used to be open, so now you can

581
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,639
put your phone in there, you can put some of

582
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,800
your accessories, ball markers, et cetera. And then we have

583
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,760
the dividers so you can put you know, three or

584
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,400
four gloves, keep them separate so they don't you know,

585
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:25,639
stick together.

586
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,679
Speaker 3: Thick. Does that make that thicker?

587
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: It is, it's slight. It is slightly thicker, yeah, so

588
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,800
it can carry a little bit more. That's kind of

589
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:38,280
like the upgrade on that product. I'd mentioned the what

590
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,519
we call the cockpit, which is the higher end version,

591
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:45,880
the leather version for those that want to keep the

592
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,679
gloves kind of safely either in their their locker or

593
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,639
inside their their bag. We've come up with you know

594
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,000
that we had launched in the last two months alone,

595
00:34:56,119 --> 00:35:00,920
last sixty days, we launched eleven different you know glove styles,

596
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,679
everything from our Canada a glove flag gloves to the

597
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,760
we called the Liberty for Fourth of July, or our

598
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,199
US flag or we got the Scottish glove to celebrate

599
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:17,039
Royal true and the British Open.

600
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:19,559
Speaker 3: So I love that it's a that you have it

601
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:23,320
as a wide glove, but you have the thumb colored, Yeah,

602
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,559
to match the velcrow flat. That's pretty cool.

603
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's been really just how we're just kind of

604
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,320
trying to have some fun with some of the styles.

605
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,960
Some of them are limited edition, and then we're starting

606
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,440
to come up with like some of these accessories like.

607
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,639
Speaker 3: The way this wait before we go there on the

608
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:42,800
limited edition? Do you number them?

609
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: No?

610
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: That I mean, if you want to make them collectible,

611
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,480
is limited edition? You got a number them and be like,

612
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:49,679
oh I got number twelve.

613
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can do that for some other accessories,

614
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:55,760
but gloves don't last too long, so and you're not

615
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,880
likely to put them in a drawer, want you to

616
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:58,320
use them.

617
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: But some of them put them on the wall. You

618
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:00,760
have them on the wall.

619
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: Well that's to celebrate our kickstarter Okay, but yeah, we

620
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,360
certainly could we could, We could try. We are working

621
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:15,039
on some limited edition headcovers, leather headcovers that we're working

622
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:19,039
with our with our partner, and some of those can

623
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,840
can be fun. We are finding that in some cases,

624
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,760
like the Scotland glove here called the Saltire, I mean

625
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,119
it we only made a hundred of them, so you know,

626
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,440
they didn't last the day you know, we sent an

627
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,880
email out and they were all gone. So sometimes we're

628
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,280
we're learning that lessons more.

629
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and what other accessories that let's talk about

630
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,119
your hat line. Do we have a bucket hat yet

631
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:48,559
or a big brim hat. I've been bugging you for this,

632
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:49,599
Yes we do.

633
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:55,119
Speaker 2: We've got we have fourteen new hat styles coming, everything

634
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:58,960
from performance hats to visors and bucket hats.

635
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: We have good idea.

636
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:06,639
Speaker 2: What's a performance hat just super breatheable so for the

637
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:12,239
heat so and and really like holds the dries quickly

638
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,199
and actually really good in the just more of a

639
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,159
performance material. We do have some a couple of dad

640
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,239
hats as well, so the you know, traditional kind of

641
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,360
like cotton hats, we're trying to have a and they're

642
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,920
the lower profile. The performance hats are made of the

643
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:33,400
you know, dry wicking material and have some breathe ability,

644
00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:37,000
some holes in them. And then we've got you know,

645
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:42,920
four styles of two different styles and and two different

646
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,840
colors of visors, and then two different styles and two

647
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,400
different colors of bucket hats. So we really want to

648
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,480
have that wide range of of hats. We've got you

649
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,800
know a lot of customers who that's great real estate too,

650
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,039
I think, you know, marketing wise, if you can get

651
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,079
customers who love our gloves that's not near as visible

652
00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:05,880
as say a head cover, of course, which we've been

653
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:08,000
in the head covers for a while. That's probably the

654
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,679
best real estate on a bag. If you can get

655
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:13,360
a red rooster head cover on one of your customers,

656
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,840
that's highly visible. And of course you can't beat a hat,

657
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:19,920
you know, so uh and then you know, I'm a

658
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:24,440
I'm a guy where you know, sun's sleeves, and obviously,

659
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:27,119
as a redhead, I'm pretty sensitive to have always worn

660
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:29,679
bucket hats. So we wanted to produce some of our

661
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,079
own and I'm really I'm really happy with the with

662
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:36,079
what we've come out with, and as soon as they're ready,

663
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:38,559
I'm going to send you some some pictures of the

664
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:41,519
pre production samples and you can you can choose your

665
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:43,679
bucket hat. Fred. I know you're a proponent.

666
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,039
Speaker 3: I'm big proponent of big brim hats too, because I

667
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:52,559
think that I still think that the PGA should make

668
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:57,320
it that baseball caps are just they don't do anything

669
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,280
other than protect you, you know, your eyes from the sun,

670
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,360
but the side of your head and your back of

671
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,440
your neck, you're exposed and it's just not healthy.

672
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: You see you always see you see a lot of

673
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,519
caddies right now wearing but not players.

674
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: Right right, and like too cool? Come on, guys, you're

675
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,400
playing that club. It may not be a cool club

676
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,480
playing it.

677
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: So I think Joel Damon and even his not a

678
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,000
wide brim really.

679
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,119
Speaker 3: But no, it's bigger than most. I like his hats.

680
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,800
I would love to. I've always wanted to, you know,

681
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,079
and then Full Swing came out, but I want I've

682
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:40,719
been trying to get in touch with him for a

683
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,400
long time to talk to him about why because he's

684
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,599
a cancer survivor. But his feelings about getting other players

685
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:49,239
to wear the larger is so.

686
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: What guys, Yeah, that would be interesting.

687
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: You know. I mean, like, if you're a golfer, you're

688
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,079
supposed to drop your ego anyway, So let's do this.

689
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,639
Are are you still looping for your partner Brad.

690
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: Well, he's he's not playing much these days, and uh,

691
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:11,920
but I I love to caddy for him because I

692
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:17,480
just love to see that kind of game up close,

693
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:23,119
and I love to to see how he I don't

694
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:24,920
want to say picks a part of golf course. He's

695
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,360
actually ultra conservative. So it I learn a lot just

696
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,239
in seeing.

697
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 3: How conservative play very and you see.

698
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,519
Speaker 2: That's what it is. He's very you know, when we

699
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:43,079
would you know, in a practice round, he's choosing lines

700
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:48,840
off the tee. He's he's looking for the biggest landing area.

701
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,119
Now maybe that requires flying a you know, a bunker,

702
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,840
but often it means, you know, playing conservative, maybe it's

703
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,719
a threewood or an iron off the tee. Then he's

704
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,480
looking for the middle of the green. And so as

705
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:07,920
we chart stuff, I'm often surprised at sort of how

706
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:11,679
you know, the better rounds come from playing the most conservative.

707
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,199
You kind of let the birdies come to you. You

708
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,199
try to you avoid the bogies, and you know, par

709
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,599
is always a good score on any hole, and it's

710
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:22,840
funny when you play that way and you sort of

711
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,840
lay back the you know, the birdies do tend to

712
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,159
come to you, and when you're pushing for them, that's

713
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:33,119
when the bogies show up. So yeah, I love looping

714
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:37,840
for Brad and I'm always trying to get him out

715
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,199
to play more tournaments, kind of selfishly so so I

716
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,840
can get on the bag and just so I can

717
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,360
get him playing more. He still plays just I love

718
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,800
playing golf with him period because it's he's just on

719
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:51,519
another level.

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00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:56,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. When I was up at the Lab Golf

721
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:58,480
Factory and got a chance to play with Sam and

722
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:07,239
his tour development director Liam Bedford, these guys have a

723
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,679
completely different game. I mean it was it was really

724
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,159
fun to watch their swing and to watch the ball

725
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,199
flight and their intention. It was amazing. And I learned

726
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,239
a fascinating stat when I was playing with them that

727
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,519
there was an experiment done by I don't know if

728
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:24,800
it was a chorus or a group or whatever it was,

729
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,280
but they they had golfers play without a flag on

730
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:36,800
the green. Oh, and statistically they hit more greens because

731
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,719
everyone was just trying to go for the center of

732
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,800
the green sure, instead of flag hunting. So without flags,

733
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:49,159
there was better results on greens and regulation. I thought

734
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:54,719
that was absolutely exciting and interesting and something to keep

735
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,920
in mind. Just go for the center of the green,

736
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:57,920
you know, It's.

737
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: Like it's hard to do sometimes, especially when you have

738
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:03,880
like a wedge in your hand or you but.

739
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 3: It flags up front.

740
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: Sure, Statistically, you're right, that's how you play your best golf.

741
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:15,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I want to I want to thank

742
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:18,360
the audience for for hanging tight on this interview because

743
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,360
I'm sure it sounded like an infomercial for Red Rooster Golf,

744
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:28,280
and maybe it was, but it's only because I I'm

745
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,000
excited about your product, I'm excited about your company, and

746
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:36,159
I'm always fascinated to learn more about the guys who

747
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,559
on a Kickstarter campaign come on that can actually turn

748
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:45,159
their company into a success and grow with it and

749
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:49,599
grow with demand. So it is just an honor to

750
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:55,000
have you guys as part of our our family and

751
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:00,599
watching you grow. Congratulations man, Yeah, thanks Fred.

752
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: It's fun. You know, when we started, we had some

753
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,840
i think conservative expectations and we've met them, but we've

754
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,519
enjoyed it along the way. Brad and I, you know,

755
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,280
we grew up playing junior golf together, so it's been

756
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,199
a great way to you know, rekindle our friendship and

757
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,039
get involved in the game that we love so much,

758
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:24,960
and you know, with our give back programs. So it's

759
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:28,000
it's something that we really enjoy. And I want to

760
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,639
share one other thing with your audience where we're working on.

761
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,519
It's a contest that's going to come out later this fall.

762
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:40,360
It's it's our Golden Glove twenty twenty four's it's called

763
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,559
our Golden Glove Contest, and it's a way to kind

764
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,760
of like a reward some of our customers, but it's

765
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:51,000
also to sort of educate consumers on the breadth of sizes.

766
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:54,679
So our adult gloves come in twenty eight sizes, and

767
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,960
we have one glove, a Golden Glove, in each one

768
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,000
of those sizes, and it's like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory,

769
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,320
those are going to be seeded into orders over a

770
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,880
couple of months, and when though that Golden Glove shows

771
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,400
up in your order, that customer will automatically win a

772
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,280
two hundred dollars shopping spree on redroostergolf dot com and

773
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,480
then they're entered in a draw for a trip for

774
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:25,800
two to stream Song. So that trip will be in January,

775
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,320
it looks like probably just before the PGA show. So

776
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,199
I wanted to kind of share that with you. It's

777
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,360
something that we're having a little bit of fun with.

778
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,519
When we saw Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and their

779
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:37,920
sort of remake, we came up with this idea and

780
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,360
it was a way to kind of celebrate our customers

781
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,079
and educate them on the different sizing and just kind

782
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:45,000
of have some fun.

783
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 3: Ah, that is brilliant. I love that idea totally. The

784
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,079
chocolate factory, the Golden Glove. Yeah, that is great, all right,

785
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:56,840
so look for that for the fall of twenty twenty four. Kerrie.

786
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,159
Great to talk to you again, man.

787
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,559
Speaker 2: Congratulations, Thanks fredppreciate it.

788
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,119
Speaker 3: Well. It's been almost a month since we recorded last

789
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:10,639
week's episode with Sam Han and I've not touched my

790
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,119
club since because of summer travel. But I'm headed back

791
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:17,360
out to the course this week and could not be

792
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,960
more excited to get out there again, especially to keep

793
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,159
improving with my new lab broomstick putter. But also I'm

794
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:28,960
going to start testing out an electric caddy from MGI.

795
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,440
Now I'm going to use it for the next month.

796
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,480
You know, I always walk the golf course and I

797
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:37,599
have a three wheel push cart, and it's pretty hilly

798
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:41,239
here in northern California, so sometimes my back gets tested

799
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,519
pushing the cart up and down the hills. So testing

800
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:47,039
out an electric caddy is something I've wanted to do

801
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:49,239
for a long time. They've reached out to me. They

802
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,239
sent me one to try out. And I'll use it

803
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,039
for the next month, and then we're going to have

804
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:58,280
a conversation with their VP of US Sales about the product,

805
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:02,320
the benefits of walking, and the latest statistics on how

806
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,079
so many golfers are walking now more than ever. And

807
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:09,000
if you have any questions about these electric caddies that

808
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:12,960
you'd like me to ask their VP, then please write

809
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,840
to me and let me know what you want to

810
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,159
hear and I'll make sure that gets discussed now. This

811
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:21,360
week's Golf Smarter Ambassador Jeff Crampton, who lives and plays

812
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,000
in Alberta, Canada. He mentioned that he also plays at

813
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:29,239
TPC Donzonte Bay in Loretto, Mexico, located on the east

814
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,280
coast of Baja California. I'll leave a link in today's

815
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,280
show notes of a video I created about one of

816
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,480
the most beautiful holes I've ever played, and that's number

817
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:44,400
seventeen at TPC Donezonte Bay, which is the only TPC

818
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:48,440
course in Mexico. And when you come up over the

819
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:52,679
hilltop to get the view of this par three that

820
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,880
is looking out to the Sea of Cortes onto a

821
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,159
green that is elevated about one hundred fifty feet above

822
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:05,840
the wh It's breathtaking, and I'll make sure so you

823
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,039
go to Golfsmarter dot com and click on today's show

824
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:13,000
and you'll see the video. Or I'll just leave a

825
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,079
link in the show notes. It's a short video and

826
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:18,880
you can see it. It's again, it's mind blowing. Anyway.

827
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,239
I love that golf course and hoping to get there

828
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:26,280
again before the end of this year. Jeff wanted to

829
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,119
see Tony Manzoni's video of the Lost Fundamental, and he

830
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:31,840
got it for free just by sharing with us where

831
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,159
he plays, where he lives, and which episode number this is. Now,

832
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,079
now that we talk to Carrie about the Great Gloves

833
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:42,320
and the multitude of choices they offer a Redrooster Golf,

834
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:44,559
I want to remind you that when you sign up

835
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:47,559
to be a golf Smarter Ambassador, you get a choice

836
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:50,599
of three free gifts, and one of those choices, along

837
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:56,599
with Tony Manzoni's Lost Fundamental video, is a glove and

838
00:48:56,679 --> 00:49:01,199
glove storage compartment or cockpit from Red Rooster Golf. I

839
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,480
can't think of how I could make it any easier

840
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:05,360
for you to become one of our ambassadors. All you

841
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,920
need to do is introduce a future episode just write

842
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,199
to Golf Smarter Podcast at gmail dot com and I'll

843
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,599
get back to you because you know, I just can't

844
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,559
give the instructions here because I give specific instructions on

845
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:21,440
which episode it's going to be. So I'll get back

846
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,960
to you after you write to me with some simple

847
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,719
instructions on how to call in record and I'll even

848
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,880
give you a script of exactly what to say if

849
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,760
you have any questions, comments, or suggestions for upcoming episodes,

850
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,119
like the suggestion that I got this week for getting

851
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:41,480
Jeff Mangum of the Putting Zone back on the show.

852
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,159
We haven't talked to Jeff since twenty seventeen, and I've

853
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:48,800
already written to him and he has already said, let's

854
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,039
do it. So stay tuned. We'll have Jeff Mangum to

855
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:57,039
talk about putting again, and that's always an adventure with Jeff. Anyway.

856
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:00,000
For any of those things, right to Golf Smarter podcas

857
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:02,719
Cast at gmail dot com or click on the Heyfread

858
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