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Speaker 1: Live. This is Pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. Welcome

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to the Human Animal Connection Show, where we believe we

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can communicate with all animals. Join us as we explore

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the thirty three principles and healing methods of the Human

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Animal Connection. As animal lovers, we know that you share

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our commitment to making the world a kinder place for

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all creatures. Together, let's embrace the transformative healing power of

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the Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, Welcome to the Human Animal Connection Podcast. I'm

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your host, Jeanie Joseph and I'm the executive director of

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the Human Animal Connection. And today I am delighted to

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speak with Jesse Sternberg. And he's the author of a

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couple of books. One is called Enlightened Dog Training Become

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the Peaceful Alpha your dog needs and respects. So he

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is the creator of the Peaceful Alpha method, where dog

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training becomes soul work.

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Speaker 3: Oo.

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Speaker 4: Sounds good to be Hi, Jesse, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Jennie, I love bad intro. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so great because for so long dog training

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has been about how can I make my dog do

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something I wanted him.

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Speaker 3: Or her to do?

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Speaker 4: Instead of you know, what does my dog wants. You know,

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how can we meet in the middle between what I

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want and what my dog wants? So tell me what

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you mean by the peaceful Alpha method.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, well exactly, that is a framework for people

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who who vibe with that with what you just said, Yeah,

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it's basically what how I as the result of my

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journey and how I got to be able to develop

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these great, calm, obedient dogs using my techniques, which is

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basically honoring their language, their comic language. Yeah. I also

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behave like their father teacher. Hm.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so giving them that sense of authority, but there's

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a gentleness, there's a peacefulness to it, versus authority from

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dominance or fear based techniques.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well I could care less about, you know, getting

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them to do behaviors. That's not what's motivating me. What's

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motivating me is teaching them how to make decisions so

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that they can have ultimate freedom, so they can the

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freest you know life, that they can live the most

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peace the most fun. So I have to teach them skills. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and m h that's really you know, that's I

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love that you said that because I think so often

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dogs that share lives with humans have lost a lot

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of freedoms because they have to be on leashes in

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the world and they have to do you know, there's

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just a lot of ways in which they have to

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conform to our routines. And some of it is the

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law and we understand it. Some of it is protection.

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But on the other and what if dogs could make

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choices more often, wouldn't that be good?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's how exactly what motivates me. I think that, like,

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that would be cool. Wouldn't it be cool for that dog? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they still need a kind of being

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who is making good decisions, you know, like picking the

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right dog food or whatever.

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Speaker 3: They need a steward they need because it's not their world.

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It's not their world. And actually, so I'm a little

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passionate about this next point, which is, you know, it's

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one thing to like want them to be able to

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make their own choices and their best life, but how

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can they It would be chaotic to them if they

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had that freedom.

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Speaker 4: Right, and that interesting. It's kind of like little kids,

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you know, there there's a they need a certain structure

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so that they can enjoy freedom within it. But if

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there's no structure, it can be very you know, confusing.

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Speaker 3: It can be very chaotic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Jesse, give us an example of providing

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a framework of structure with a degree of freedom with

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Speaker 3: Give us an example. What does it look like if

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you're a dog owner when guests come over. There's always

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that excitement factor at the front door, and so freedom

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will be just letting your dog do whatever it wants.

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Speaker 4: Okay, And we've all been there, seen that, visited those people.

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Speaker 3: Many of us have chosen that. Yeah, and then the

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flip side is, well, okay, well, what do you want

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me to do? Leave my dog? Put my dog in

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a cage? How do you like? What's the where's the

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middle ground where there's a little bit of structure around

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that scenario and you can just open the door, guests

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can come in, and the dog just kind of looks

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and just kind of stand still, and you know, is

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free in that moment to enjoy the whole moment, you know,

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and it isn't creating chaos, but is actually part of

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the harmony. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So are you someone that like says the dog should

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be sitting before you open the door or what is

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Speaker 3: I mentioned that because I don't care about the behavior.

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I care about the emotion. If I am of the

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dog is calm, okay and connected to me, yes, looking

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to me for guys, what do we hey boss, what

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are we doing in this moment? Then I'm okay with

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them doing anything from standing still, sitting down, laying down,

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laying down with their head down, being in a certain

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distance away from whatever the action is or respectful distance.

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I'm okay with them wagging their tail and being all

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excited and you know, enjoying the space with us. But

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where I'm not okay, where I have a boundary is

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I don't like when I have to intervene with you.

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I have a way and I teach people away. And

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this is what my books are all about. This is

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what being the peaceful alpha is is. Yes, there really

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is alpha, and no we're not just going to be

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dominating them. Yes, we're gonna be that divine teacher, that

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divine hand in our dog's life so that most dogs

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don't have the emotional capacity to stand still when they're excited.

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Speaker 4: This is fascinating that instead of looking at what behavior

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do we want at the door, we're looking at what

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emotion do we want to the door? And a calm

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emotion is going to produce calm behavior and you know choices, yeah,

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calm choices.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So you know it's simple, but it's revolutionary in terms

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of the way thinking has been in the past, which

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is get your dog to do X y Z behavior

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or stop your dog from doing X y Z behavior.

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Speaker 3: And there's a tension in at hunting it wait, I

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want you to sit and now intense I was like this, this,

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my friends, this is a whole. That's why it's soulful.

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It's because it's like it's a deeper level.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so respectful, you know, to to to think

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in terms of not obey commands, but to engage around

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emotions of if I'm calm and the dog is looking

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to me, it's oh she's calm. I guess this person

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coming through the door as an okay person.

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Speaker 3: Well that's the best part about this work for me

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is it's been a journey in bettering myself because you

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cannot fake your dog's respect for you. Okay. It's all

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about all your moments that are stacked and how you've

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been right right right.

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Speaker 4: So I know, like when that doorbell goes, you know,

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I feel like it's like, ah, you know, they're gonna go, Ah,

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I've got three dogs already. I'm not yet calm before

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you know what I mean, I'm thinking, Okay, how.

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Speaker 3: Is this going to go? Wow? If you knew, if

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you understand, Okay, So this I teach people about this

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angle called the forbidden angle. Okay, and alphas understand this

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angle better. Alphas that have earned the right to lead

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their community has chosen them to protect for them and

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to provide them and to keep everybody calm and safe.

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He understands this angle because this angle is the confrontational angle.

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Speaker 4: So explain what it is. What is this angle direct?

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The angle itself is is like geometrically, it's like you know,

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the hit one head to the next head.

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Speaker 3: It's working in at eyes. But how the body is

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positioned on it, the flow of the movement on it,

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the honoring of that angle, you know, for ten hours

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actions before you get on the angle. There's so much

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baked into it, the calming signals that are dancing around

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these pre movements. Okay, well, the alpha always wins, the

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alpha always controls it. The best alphas always do that

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with least amount of surprise, force, maximum harmony. They do

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it for the right reasons. So that's a little conversation

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that you can have at the door because the door

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is significant significant, that's why dogs get excited. Yeah, so

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you just you do a door acclaim with the forbidden

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angle and you look. You dog to have those calming

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signal responses where they stand still, sit down, lay down.

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Speaker 4: Fascinating, you know, because as I mentioned, I have three dogs,

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and the most recent dog we adopted was in a

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house with twelve other dogs. Yes, his name is Harry,

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and in that household he was literally the bottom of

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the totem poles. Eleven of the dogs had more more

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alpha ness than he did. And in our house he's

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the alpha, which is so interesting. So one of the

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things that I watch is that sometimes with a look,

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he'll tell the other dogs, no, you can't have Genie

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right now. Genie's might just with a look and they

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get it. Get my turk right in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's using that look, that angle and your prize.

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Speaker 4: I'm the prize. Yeah, And it's it's so interesting to

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watch because it's instant, it's peaceful, it's clear, it's not aggressive,

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you know, I mean, it's just a statement of fact.

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This is my person now it is. And what's cool again,

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what's cool about my work is it's a statement of fact,

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but it can be accepted or not accepted, and most

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of the time it's negotiated, negotiated with a whole other

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variety of actions that are called calming signals.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So when this dog does the look, it

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will be accepted because a blink will be made, because

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a look away will be made, because a paul gets raised.

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And that is what's so cool is what if you

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knew how to do that with your dog? Yeah, that

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would be you can you know? And that's what my

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new book is. The emphasis of my new book is

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teaching people how to do that.

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Speaker 4: Your new book is called oh yeah, Deeper than You Think,

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How Dogs Communicate using calming signals, angles and emotions. So yeah,

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that's your new book. Well, we're going to take a

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short nope break. When we come back, I want to

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hear some of your stories about working with animals and

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Speaker 3: Will be right back in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: Hey friends. If you like what you're hearing and want

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to learn more, check out doctor Joseph's book The Human

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Animal Connection, Deepening Relationships with Animals and Ourselves, or visit

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the website The Humananimalconnection dot org to book an online consultation.

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Thank you for loving animals. Now back to the show.

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Speaker 6: Let's talk bets on CET life Radio dot com.

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Speaker 7: Welcome back to The Human Animal Connection. My host is

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Jesse Sternberg and he's the author of Enlightened Dog Training,

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How to become the peaceful Alpha your dog.

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Speaker 3: Needs and respects.

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Speaker 4: So, Jesse, we were just talking on a break about

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a wonderful story and I said, don't tell me now

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if I tell everyone that story. So I really want

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to hear that story. You were out with your dog

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and as often happens, another person with their dog and

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they want to meet.

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Speaker 3: So what happened? Okay, so yeah, this is actually like

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a viral video. It's pinned in my Instagram. It's got

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about ten million views, and it's just mind boggling. I

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caught a little footage and a conversation, but it's basically

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this little ten pound black dog chugging like a steamboat

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toward the owner, not really asking, but sort of telling,

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we meet you. Well, yes you can. I have one

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hundred pound guard dog. He's unneutered, he's not fully trained,

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he's he's young, and he'll want to discipline that dog. Oh,

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not to mention what would it look like if the

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roles were reversed. So they don't really know that they're

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meeting me, and my life's work is about this angle

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that they're walking towards me on and that's why it's

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chaotic for their dog in the first blok. Yes, so

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I've already moved off the sidewalk, off of this angle. Okay,

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start signaling calm vibes to the dog that's coming at us,

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and and they're approaching. I say, sure, we can approach.

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Let me approach you and I because it's it's a

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calling signal to come around another dog in an arc, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, So to come in a side angle like twenty

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five degrees or something yet forty degrees, and actually to

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go past the body and offer like a side of

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your body for it to smith. The opposite of going

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head to head, right, everything anything but head to head

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is this is what we.

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what they would do if they weren't tied to a rope,

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being long, straight line right, so they feel like they

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have all their defenses they can get away, while this

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little black dog doesn't necessarily is not approaching with social

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etiquette of the video starts. It's like no socialized dog

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would approach this way, right. It's quite controversial because I

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edited it in a way where they could care less

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about the dog choking, and they could They just wanted

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to get the breakfast, and they just you know, they

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saw my dog. They just wanted to come over and

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see my dog. And there's that soulful layer to it

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which was missing from that side. And so it blew

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up with comments where that's where the world is right now.

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Half the world is here, right like seeing the depth

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and the layers and the other half they're just you know,

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if they're in their ego and they've never tasted more.

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Speaker 4: So, what actually happened? So you moved, You went forty

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five degrees to side, You passed the dog. What happened next?

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Speaker 3: On past they had a little nose kiss, but both

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dogs were not standing calm. My dog didn't make the

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decision to just stand calm with the leash loose, the

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way I would describe it as the boundary I want

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at the front door. He was so interested in the

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commotion that was going on with this little dog, so

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you know, in a micro second later, I just made

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a leadership decision like all right, bubble, leave it and heal.

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And he Didn'tkay filmed it. That's what's good. Point of

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controversy is I offered a training tip because I was

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recording this for my channel, right, you know, try to

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hold the leash. I told her how to hold the leash,

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and she didn't ask me for advice. Okay, first leave

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it at that.

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Speaker 4: For some drama, Yeah, okay, good, well yeah, definitely. Well,

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dogs are communicating all the time, and as healthy dogs,

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so well socialized dogs are going to accurately read the

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signals and the cues and the calming signals, and they okay,

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we can be friends signals, but if the humans are

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missing the signals, we can override what the dogs would

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would do well with, right is that kind of.

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Speaker 3: That's my that was That's what I believe that too,

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is I believe I'm always making a signal, like every moment,

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every moment as the dog approached us, and you know,

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I'm already off to the side. Am I already different?

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I already have med a different action, and I have

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my dog on outside of me, So I'm already reflecting

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that I have some control. I have my dog standing

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still with the leash oose. I'm demonstrating I have my

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dog with me in some harmony and we're being respectful

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to the path that you're walking on. Yeah. Yeah, that

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that get got missed by the owners, didn't get missed

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by the dog, Okay. Brought the dog down from a

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ninety nine to a seventy five.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, which is you know, can make all the

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difference in the world.

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Speaker 3: But which is also why my dog didn't have to

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correct it. Huh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So what are some of the ways that dogs

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do correct that's healthy harmonious corrections. We know unharmonious. But

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what's what's a harmonious correction? What's an immortal correction? The confrontation,

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what does that mean?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a confrontation and then there's a there's a

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quick efficient confrontation, there's instant peace.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, this is wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So the goal is not to have zero confrontation, is

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to have confrontation that's quick and efficient.

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Speaker 3: Goal is pace ace for the pack. Okay. And so

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when you're saying you have three dogs at the door,

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let's reframe that you have one pack and you have

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one lead dog that you need to talk to. Okay, okay.

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And when we talk to the lead dog in the

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right way, the others are already in line.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, And I mean fortunately my dogs are.

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They're just in a massive excitement. There's nothing about and aggressive.

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But my point being is like all all dogs want

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to be in a harmonious state with one another. They're now,

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we're not at the dog park being a bunch of

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knees and ews. Wow, they're being a wee.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And if there's a harmony without a sheriff, that's fine.

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But sometimes often there's a sheriff okay, and when you

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step into boy to will you step into that role

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and you become that sheriff because there's always a dog

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that's saying I don't like this. Ah well that's I mean,

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you earned what you know, the respect you earned for

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that dog. It can feel easy resting because you're in

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the room. Okay, No, it's the puppy. Won't jump on him.

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Uh huh, he's following me. It's like there's a guardian.

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It's like being a guardian is more than just having

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asking for behaviors. Yeah. Yeah, well, as you know, it's

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so God.

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Speaker 4: I wish we humans could be we.

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Speaker 3: Like dogs.

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Speaker 4: I mean, wouldn't that be amazing? And if there was

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a good sheriff who could, like, you know, help when

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things go. We're a miss. But for any of the book,

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becoming the peaceful is you. You become in that state. Yeah,

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get into that state with your dog.

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Speaker 3: I like that. Yeah, and you are the one. You

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then become the one that is yes, because wherever you

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end up going, you can use the signals and you

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can influence harmonious states and use the signals which are

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an aggressive person and deflate their aggressiveness.

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Speaker 4: That's fascinating. Yeah, so that, and you know, so much

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of this is so fast and so instant and obviously

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without words. In the dog world, it's body language, it's

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their positioning, it's their entering guage, plus the emotion that

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they're feeling, and every language on the forbidden angle intensifies

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the emotion and the body language and the signals off

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of the off of the calming signals. They're all dancing

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off of this forbidden angle because they are soothing the emotions. Yeah, wow,

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this is wonderful.

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Speaker 3: I basic emotions, basic emotions. Just want to clarify that

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emotions of like oh I'm stressed. Oh oh, something sketchy

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is happening in the room right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is interesting because I have to give a

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guest talk at the University University Veterinary School, and I

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would love to be able to teach them about this

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angle thing because this would be really helpful.

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Speaker 3: Oh there, yeah, this is like I this is my

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favorite topic. This is so this is chapter one of

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my new book. It's the Forbidden Angle. The Forbidden Angle, Okay,

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and I give that chapter away for free from my website.

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That's great.

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Speaker 4: Well, tell people how they can get a hold of

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you and this website in this chapter and read about

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the forbidden angle. Very easy, peaceful Alpha dot com. That

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is wonderful. All right, Well, do you have of one

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last story to leave our audience with to inspire them

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to learn how to better read their dog signals.

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Speaker 3: I think that when I grew up, what I desperately

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wanted to know how to do was just talk to

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my dog, Yeah, communicate with them and for it not

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to be pretend. And it blew my mind when I

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realized that they communicate to each other, and when I

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had the epiphany about seeing it happening with twenty five

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dogs all at once in real time and getting a

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spiritual download about it. In my dog daycare scenario where

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I would often meditate and watch forty to fifty dogs

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for a long durations, just just being in the flow

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with them and studying all the different dog train methods,

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there is one method what stuck with me was this

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woman toured Rugus, pioneer of the calming signals, and then

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her alter ego, Caesar Malin, and both of them were

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into the body language, but at different ends of the string. Yes,

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and neither of them really showed me how they could coexist.

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And that's what the peaceful alpha embodies, is that power,

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but the wisdom and the restraint and not need to

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flex it. Yeah, and so the conversations are really simple.

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It's just about having them and you can actually have

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them and know they're not in English, but they're with actions,

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with actions. There was you know, it's so basic. But

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it's the context, and it's the situational awareness, which is

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what yes about call for me. It's a bit about

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how can I call it a more situational awareness because

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I see what I get when I have it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing when we're here versus

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being in our heads or you know, thinking about something

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else and things go kind of haywire with the animals

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when we're not really here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah there or mirror when a wire? Where am I?

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Yeah exactly exactly.

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Speaker 4: I know, like when i'm you know, if I'm feeling

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a little rushed and kind of rushing around getting ready

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to leave and they just look at me like who

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is this purse?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I don't like it when you rush around like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Great, well, wonderful. Well, I've been speaking with Jesse Sternberg,

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and he's the author of several books, including Enlightened Dog

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Training and Jesse. They can reach you at Peacefulalpha dot com.

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Do you do remote training.

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Speaker 3: Also, or yeah, I got, I got courses, I go,

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I got little mini coaching, one on ones, I've got

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a couple of different ways because email me.

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Speaker 7: All right, Well, thank you so much for being here

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with us on The Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk to you soon, and thank you all for listening.

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Speaker 3: See you next show. Bye for now.

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