WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:01.879 You'll do away five seventeen. 2 00:00:01.960 --> 00:00:03.399 Do you want to report a UFO. 3 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:08.560 It? We don't want to report every thirty one. 4 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:10.320 Do you wish to report a UFO over. 5 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:15.439 Hey, we want to one of those data arias thirty one. 6 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.160 Do you wish to find a report of any kind 7 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:17.320 of it? 8 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:21.039 I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds. 9 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:25.480 Time areas thirty one me neither. There were seven one. 10 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:29.960 Good if it was actually a U above us to 11 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:32.719 pass us, like thirty seconds ago, we were sending one 12 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:37.039 of golf negative. Okay, OFFI the UFO. 13 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:39.719 Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. 14 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:42.640 Yes, I'll just passed over, I go. 15 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.119 I don't know what it was, but it's from at 16 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.079 least to three thousand feet above us. 17 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:49.039 See, I passed right over the top of us. 18 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:51.719 Ninety one one. 19 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:55.479 Guy, you just called up to me, be four rest. 20 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:03.159 They're after staying the airplanes, he se to God. 21 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:07.159 More calm in on an unidentify object, every liberty or 22 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:14.239 call or calm on an unidentified flying object. 23 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.280 Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their 24 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:25.000 experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter, 25 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:27.560 I would like to be on the show. You can 26 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:49.040 email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello everyone, 27 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:52.000 and welcome to the show. Wherever in the world you 28 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:55.599 are listening from, I hope you're all well and good. 29 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.079 I'm Nick Canta and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. 30 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:03.319 Start us off today is David coming to us from 31 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:07.480 Texas in the US sharing his UFO encounter. Then we'll 32 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:10.039 be staying in the US and speaking to Michael in 33 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:14.919 Oregon about the objects he witnessed that were moving, multiplying, 34 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:20.879 and dividing in unexplainable ways and speeds. David up next. 35 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:23.560 If you enjoy listening to the podcast and I'd like 36 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:25.520 to help support my work, there is a couple of 37 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:29.000 ways to do this. Either you can join Patreon and 38 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:31.319 become a patron of the show for as Lutla's five 39 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:35.039 dollars a month, or you can donate via PayPal and 40 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:38.439 if you like, you can set up monthly reoccurring payments. 41 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:41.039 All links to support the podcast are below, in a 42 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:44.800 show notes and on the website. Any help is extremely 43 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.719 appreciated and it helps the show to continue running. 44 00:02:48.159 --> 00:03:09.479 Now on with the show, Hello David, Welcome. 45 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:12.879 To the podcast. Thank you, Thank you. For joining us today, 46 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:15.560 and you're call in from the state of Texas. 47 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:19.800 That's right. I'm in the suburbs of Dallas coort Worth. 48 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:23.680 That's great. Okay, Now, David, you had a UFO sign 49 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:26.759 that occurred in twenty twenty one. Would you like to 50 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:29.400 start the beginning please, David, Yeah. 51 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:29.479 Thank you. 52 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:33.280 So it was in October twenty twenty one. It was 53 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:37.599 about six twelve in the morning. I had just gotten 54 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:41.240 up to start my morning walk. It was a very 55 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:48.080 very clear morning, and about twenty seconds after I start 56 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:53.080 heading down the sidewalk, I noticed something sort of blinking 57 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:59.319 in my periphery, imagine like a twinkling star, and so 58 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:03.240 I look up at it, and it takes my eyes 59 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:07.520 maybe a second to focus on what I'm looking at 60 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:10.759 because I'm expecting it to move, but in fact it's hovering. 61 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:13.639 Because I'm thinking it might be like a plane, and 62 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:15.080 so my eyes just sort of waiting. 63 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:16.759 To see if it moves, and it doesn't move. It's 64 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:17.319 just hovering. 65 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:21.160 And then I realize that it's not like a star 66 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:26.759 or a planet. It's not a plane. It is if 67 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:30.800 you can imagine a red sphere with a green sphere 68 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:35.279 inside of it, sort of like a pokey ball where 69 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:38.920 the inner sphere is like a glowing green color and 70 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:42.839 around this screen light. It's not really a sphere. It's 71 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:44.720 just to me, it's just appearing as like a bright 72 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:49.040 light and it's kind of too bright to look at directly. 73 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.000 If you can imagine sort of looking at like a 74 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:55.560 Christmas tree light bulb, you wouldn't want it to look 75 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:59.639 directly at it. But it's this green bright light is 76 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:05.199 true a red orb around it, and the orb is 77 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:07.879 getting well, the light's getting bright, the green light is 78 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:10.759 getting brighter, and as it's getting. 79 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:13.399 Brighter, the red orb is growing inside. 80 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:18.360 Initially I thought I might be looking at a meteor exploding. 81 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:21.040 I take a lot of walk because I have a 82 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.759 desk job. I try to comment date by going outside 83 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.959 and walking a lot. And I've seen like a meteor 84 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:29.759 explode in the sky and create sort of a red 85 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:33.399 burst around it, and when it does, the red burst 86 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.600 just keeps expanding forever until it dissipates in a little 87 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:40.399 flex of the meteor shoot off and create little glows 88 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:43.000 sort of like a like a sphon of fire working close. 89 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:46.040 So I'm thinking that might be what I'm looking at 90 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:49.279 with like a green star directly behind it. I have 91 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:51.839 to tell you it's it's really weird to see something 92 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:56.560 you've never seen before because your brain has you know, 93 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:59.120 by the time you're an adult, your brain's seen everything 94 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:02.439 it's going to see. But when you've seen you've seen something, 95 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:05.120 or when you see something you've never seen before, it's 96 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:08.879 really a weird phenomenon because your brain's like trying to 97 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:13.279 figure out what's what's it's looking at. So anyway it does, 98 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:16.959 the ORB does not keep dissipating and burst into flinds, 99 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:20.360 and in fact, the ORB has sort of something going 100 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:27.000 on inside of it what I would describe now as plasma. Basically, 101 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:30.439 the green white was so bright and hot that it 102 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:36.240 was creating atmosphere a plasma around it, and the reddish 103 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:38.000 ORB was not entirely red. 104 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:41.240 It was actually like sort of an orange or red, 105 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:41.920 but it was. 106 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:45.000 Sort of changing colors on the inside. And what I 107 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:49.040 understand now, so I'm having researched this is that basically 108 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.439 orange would be like the lowest temperature that it would 109 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:54.800 burn at, or maybe redisue the lowest separature it would 110 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:55.199 burn at. 111 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:57.560 But basically that that's the colors. 112 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:01.160 That like the wavelet the light when it's at a 113 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:04.399 certain temperature, and so basically because the temperature was very 114 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:07.480 he it wasn't a uniform of color, that's my understanding now, 115 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.759 But to me, it just looked like like the orb 116 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:15.759 was had like a fire going on inside. Not not 117 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:20.560 totally like fire, but sort of had like like electrical 118 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:24.120 flame looking things. Like, I said, nothing, I've never I've 119 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:25.879 never seen anything like this in the sky before. 120 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.759 It was really quite a sight to behold. 121 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:32.240 And the orb does not keep growing, In fact, it 122 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.360 starts to shrink, and so I sort of just sensed 123 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.759 with the is this a meteor thing? The other thing 124 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:42.279 is that if we're a meteor in it, we're stationary, 125 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:45.839 that would indicate it was traveling like directly apt which 126 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:47.000 seemed improbable. 127 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:50.000 So I'm if I. 128 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.439 Had a little longer to look at it. Now, bear 129 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:55.560 in mind, this whole encounter least like somewhere between five 130 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:57.000 and ten seconds. 131 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:58.480 But I woke up at it. 132 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:01.680 I see this thing. It's the red orb is growing. 133 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:05.279 It starts shrinking as as like the object inside of 134 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.639 it gets a little bit cooler, and then the red 135 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:12.399 orb sort of goes away, and I don't remember if 136 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:16.240 it went from like thirty percent to zero immediately, like 137 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:19.800 like a light bulb, it switched it off, or if 138 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:24.560 it just went really really quickly away. But I think 139 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:27.439 what that was was that the object fell blow a 140 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:30.199 certain necessary temperature to generate plasma. 141 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:32.159 Because you have to have a really hot object of. 142 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:34.559 The sky to make platsm So I think it basically 143 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:36.960 it got below that temperature and then the plasma sucket 144 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:41.799 and then the object sort of stayed in that location 145 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:44.679 for maybe half a second. So, first of all, at 146 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:47.879 that point, I'm thinking, is this an object in the 147 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:53.600 sky shining very brightly and hovering, And then as I'm 148 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.519 thinking that, the orb goes away, it stays there for 149 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:59.120 like a half second, and then it zips over to 150 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:05.000 the side of my field. Division maybe you're holding out 151 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:08.320 your hand, maybe move your hand over two inches three 152 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:13.960 inches in the air. And it went so quickly that 153 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.159 I did not see a light trail, but I got 154 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:20.879 the perception that it moved, and it moved totally horizontally. 155 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.039 It didn't go up or down. Then he helped to that. 156 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:28.480 When I looked at it, it was maybe forty five 157 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.879 degrees to my left initially, and then when I looked 158 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:34.519 up at it. It's maybe thirty to forty degrees off 159 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:38.799 the bride, so it dips over in the sky so fast. 160 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:40.879 I can't even really see it move. 161 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:45.120 And then I looked at it over there in that 162 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:49.720 new location, and before I'm able to like start making 163 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:51.720 out its form, it gets away. 164 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:55.039 In the space. Now to me, it looked. 165 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.879 Like it blinked out of existence if you can imagine 166 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:00.240 the light going out on. 167 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:01.279 A cathode ray. 168 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:06.279 TV or cathod tube TV, where it sort of like 169 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:11.120 disappears into itself, and it did so like an accelerating rate. 170 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:13.759 From my perspective, it looks like it shot away from 171 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:16.720 me like something that had been pulled back on a 172 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:20.720 sling shot and then release, and it went like that 173 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:23.720 into space. But it could have been sort of something 174 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:26.840 that's just stuck that like stuck inside of itself. I 175 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:29.120 guess it could have been going into like another dimension 176 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:32.600 and sort of like going. But it looked to me 177 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:36.039 like it went back into space and it disappeared, you know, 178 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:41.159 beyond like the vanishing this. And I'd say in like 179 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:43.720 the twentieth of a second or maybe less. And I 180 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:47.320 know that amount of time because you know, when you're little, 181 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:49.120 you play that game when it stopped watch and see 182 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:52.039 how quickly you can get to stop watch to start 183 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.960 and stop, and you know, twenty to the second would 184 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:58.360 be zero point zero five And that's about as you know, 185 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:01.000 as fast as you could possibly start and stop the 186 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.240 time watch or starting to stop a stop watch would 187 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:08.559 be about how quickly it is zipped into space. So 188 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:11.639 I am, you know, sumbfounded by what I've just seen, 189 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:16.919 and I keep staring at the sky. After about a 190 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:19.240 couple of minutes, I realized I need to keep going 191 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:22.600 on my walk because I have a briefed to write 192 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:28.519 that day. And I send a text message to a 193 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:33.759 friend at six twenty saying I just saw UFO And 194 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:35.399 that's when I realized I needed to write some of 195 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:38.639 this stuff down, So I took some contemporary its notes. 196 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:41.919 When I did that, I sort of charted out where 197 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:45.679 I was versus how far I had walked, or where 198 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:48.159 my house was to where if I had walked, how 199 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:50.600 long that took to tend down the time to start 200 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:54.519 writing down some details. But you know, I've been interested 201 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:57.240 in this topic my whole life. Never see anything that's 202 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:01.840 interesting in the sky. This was a short sighting, but 203 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.360 for me it was, you know, really pretty. 204 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:06.600 It was clear, you. 205 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:08.399 Know, because I could very clearly see that there was 206 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:11.440 something going on inside of the orb around it that 207 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:18.960 was unlike anything I've seen. I didn't do much about 208 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:22.399 it for a little while. I sort of put down 209 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:27.279 the UFO topics for a while in my mind. I'd 210 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:31.639 lost interest in it. After law school, I took a 211 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:36.279 class called National Security Walk where I learned that the 212 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:40.919 National Security Actors created the NSA, CIA Air Force, Joint 213 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:46.240 Piece of Staff, National Security Council, leave the National Reconnaissance Office. 214 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.159 But I'm not positive an that stuff. All that legislation 215 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:55.639 happened and got passed in the weeks after Roswall, and 216 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:57.799 so I thought, okay, this is it was sort of 217 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:02.960 a propaganda to get legislation through and then they people 218 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:06.440 just forgot about it because it wasn't real. And once 219 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:10.279 I realized that, you know, it could be a government tool, 220 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:13.759 a political tool, I stopped being interested in it. And 221 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:17.240 the other thing I realized psychologically about the phenomenon is that, 222 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.600 you know, I don't really care if aliens exist. 223 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:22.000 I just want to know. 224 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:25.879 And if the answer is that we're all loan, well 225 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:29.080 then there you don't get an answer because you'll always 226 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:32.840 keep keep searching. But if there is something there and 227 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:35.480 then you know, then then you know and. 228 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:36.240 The question is over. 229 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:40.480 So once I realized that about the phenomenon, I realized, Okay, 230 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:41.960 this is really being driven by. 231 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:45.399 A desire for people to have an answer, and. 232 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:46.679 That was enough for me to put it down. 233 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:50.039 But then I had this encounter, which you know, I 234 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:52.039 was very busy that day. I wasn't looking to have 235 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:56.799 a UFO sighting, but it was pretty definitive. I've researched 236 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:01.000 every possible explanation I reported to move on. They couldn't 237 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:07.399 explain it. I have searched SAA records, I submitted a 238 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:13.320 FOIA request, haven't got any information about it. So you know, 239 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:15.159 I don't know what to do with this information now. 240 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:19.600 But you know, I know it's not scientific evidence, but 241 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:24.120 it's it's it's evidence to me, and so you know, 242 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:28.399 I'm the finder of fact for my wife, and so yeah, 243 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.799 I don't know. I feel pretty committed to this topic now, 244 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:34.240 and so I know a lot of people are feeling 245 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:39.360 discouraged about the UFO disclosure process, But from my perspective, 246 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:44.440 I'm getting back on the on the wagon er on 247 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:47.000 the horse, so I'm gonna be writing my senators. 248 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:49.320 That's great, David. If you look at it from a 249 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:52.600 point of view of it being a meteorite, say five 250 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.879 to ten seconds for a metial viewing is very long. 251 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:58.919 You know, we use you when you see a meteorite 252 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:01.399 and it's entering the atmosphe it's so quick. You know, 253 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:05.000 by the time you realize what just happened, it's already over. 254 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:06.000 Yeah. 255 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:09.360 Well, funny you mentioned that I was. I witnessed the 256 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:14.440 Texas fireball of in July twenty twenty two, and if 257 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:19.039 you google Texas fireballs July, you'll see it. I happened 258 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:21.360 to be on a walk facing exactly that direction when 259 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:23.919 it happened. I knew it was seemed so impassible that 260 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:26.039 i'd see so, you know, something else cool in the sky. 261 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:28.480 So I drew. I took a. 262 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.360 Picture, and I drew a picture of what I saw. 263 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:33.759 I said it to my wife exactly at that time, 264 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:36.879 so I could record, because you know, I'm an attorney, 265 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:39.960 so I'm concerned about facts things like that. Yeah, I 266 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:42.240 estimated that to take one and a half to keep sex. 267 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:45.159 I don't remember if I wrote that down to text, 268 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:45.600 but that was. 269 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:46.440 How long it happened. 270 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.960 In my mind, I saw the whole thing because I 271 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:51.759 was literally facing write that direction. I noticed when it 272 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:55.480 started peeking out started going. That lasted like seven to 273 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:58.440 nine seconds or something like that. But I wait underestimated 274 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:01.480 the amount of time it took. And you know that 275 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:04.120 that shot across the sky, because that's what a meteor does. 276 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.399 This wasn't moving at all, you know, this was just 277 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:13.039 something burning brightly and then fading a little and then 278 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:16.960 shooting over in experience, but if it had moved, I 279 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:19.559 would have, you know, my eyes would have started tracking it. 280 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:23.639 I always thought it grow and shrink once. But I 281 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:26.559 had the sensation that it was sort of pulsing, and 282 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:29.440 that when I had glanced at it, I basically it took. 283 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:32.120 I was probably looking at it as it shrinking again, 284 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:35.000 but it took me a second to focus on it. 285 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.279 And what I watched was it to start paulsing again. 286 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:39.320 But I can't be sure of that. 287 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:42.919 Even if it was a meteorite that was directly heading 288 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:45.200 towards you, as you know from your field of view, 289 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.480 it wouldn't really it wouldn't change trajectory, you know, it 290 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:51.240 wouldn't move to the left, it would just continue on 291 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:54.039 its on its journey and then eventually burning out completely. 292 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:55.120 Yeah, exactly. 293 00:16:55.320 --> 00:17:00.279 And this thing didn't didn't burn out, it moved a 294 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:02.720 different direction. I mean, I don't know what else to say. 295 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.000 I wouldn't waste my time if I did not think 296 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:11.200 I saw an extraterrestrial vehicle in the sky or a 297 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:14.759 replica of it. Initially, initially had some denial over the 298 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:17.720 idea that it was there already when I when I 299 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:20.519 walked out in my door. I really wanted it to 300 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:24.640 be something that started when I started noticing it in 301 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:28.160 my periphery, because if that happened, then it was just 302 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:28.960 something that. 303 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:30.799 I that just happened while I was out there. 304 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:34.160 But if it was already there when I left the 305 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:36.880 house that day, then it would kind of seem like 306 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:40.200 it decided to leave because it noticed me notice. 307 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:41.640 It, if that makes sense. 308 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:45.240 And I couldn't conceive of how that'd be possible without 309 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:50.279 there being sort of like consciousness interplay. I'm really opposed 310 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:54.920 to that whole idea. No offense to any of your listeners. Personally, 311 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:57.440 I liked the idea of the solitude of my own mind. 312 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:00.519 That's the only thing that kept me helped me to sleep 313 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.720 at night when I was a kid, after watching unsolved 314 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.680 mystery stories about alien abductions. It was the idea that 315 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.079 I have some sort of privacy in my mind. I 316 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:14.400 think it's possible these things have just the most amazing 317 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:21.680 level of facial scanning and optacle you know, security detection, 318 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:25.039 like beyond anything we could imagine, and so it gives 319 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:27.440 us the perception that they're in our minds. But really, 320 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:30.039 you know, they just saw me, saw it, and I 321 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:33.519 just emerged from behind probably the trees from across the 322 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:36.240 street and said, oh, I got to get out of here. 323 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:38.799 So it stopped doing whatever it was doing, sort of 324 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.079 took like an evasive maneuver, or maybe maybe it had 325 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:43.839 to change directions to leave the atmosphere, and then it 326 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:47.000 bog you down out. That's what it looks like happened. 327 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:49.400 And for a while I really wanted to deny that, 328 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:51.720 but that's what I thought, and so I tried to 329 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.160 come up with other other explanations for why it might have, 330 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:58.640 you know, just started to happen, you know, twenty seconds 331 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:00.880 into my walk, as opposed to seeing me in the league. 332 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:02.519 I'm not sure if that answers your question. 333 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:06.599 Absolutely on the website. In the description of this episode, 334 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:09.880 I will put David's drawing of the object he saw, 335 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:13.160 as well as the move on report which they classed 336 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:17.000 it is unknown. Yeah, prior to this experience, had you 337 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:19.440 had any experiences before this? 338 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:23.599 The only other time that I thought I saw UFO 339 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:26.799 was when it was when I was walking with a 340 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:32.799 friend down the shore in Long Beach, California, and he 341 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:36.559 pointed to something in the sky and said, hey, look, 342 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:40.759 those helicopters are chasing at UFO. And sure enough, that's 343 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:42.839 what it looks like. It looks like a bunch of 344 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:49.359 helicopters were flying after a greenish orb, And so in 345 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:51.480 that sense, yeah, I did. At some point I think 346 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:54.160 I'd seen the UFO before that, But even in that moment, 347 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:59.079 I noticed that the green orb that they were chasing 348 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:03.000 in my my friend's mind, that that green orb was 349 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.319 the same color as the tail lights of the choppers 350 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:08.119 were chasing after it. My friend was a pilot, and 351 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:10.119 I said, what color are the lights on helicopters? 352 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:11.200 And he said green and red. 353 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:13.880 I said, oh, okay, I think what that was a 354 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:18.000 military helicopter. It turned off all of its lights except 355 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:20.559 for the green tail light and it flew ahead of 356 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:24.799 its squadron and they flew by the coat to sort 357 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:26.440 of mimic a UFO encounter. 358 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:29.000 And they probably did it for a laugh. 359 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:32.440 And in fact, you know that's Commander Fraverer, on his 360 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:35.039 appearance on the Joe Rogan. 361 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:38.559 Podcast, talks about the fact that he had. 362 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:43.160 Done that with his helicopter when he was flying around, 363 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:44.160 that they would find. 364 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:47.119 Ways UFO experiences. 365 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:49.680 It was kind of shocking for the guy who's going 366 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:52.279 on the Joe Rogan podcast to tell people that UFOs 367 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:55.759 do exist. But anyway, so for you know, a moment's 368 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:58.200 there when my friends said he saw one, I kind 369 00:20:58.200 --> 00:20:59.039 of agreed with them that. 370 00:20:59.039 --> 00:20:59.839 That's what it looked like. 371 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.440 But you know, I started debunking it within you know, 372 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:06.440 milliseconds of starting to look at this thing because I 373 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:12.880 perceived it, you know, quickly, to be something of natural phenomenon, which. 374 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:14.720 Is always a good idea. Yeah, the eyes can be 375 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:16.400 deceived and sometimes. 376 00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:18.200 Yeah, and when I had my encounter in the last year, 377 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:21.880 that was one of the first things I thought about was, well, 378 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:23.839 this is just a red and these are just red 379 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:26.079 and green lights and so and the friend I texted 380 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:29.119 was the friend I saw that UFO with, or who 381 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:32.240 we thought he saw UFO. So I mean, it was 382 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:35.359 a notable experience, but I think it was an attempt 383 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:41.200 of spoof And you know, I basically have two remaining 384 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:47.319 explanations in my mind. One is some sort of electromagnetic 385 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:50.240 phenomenon that I don't know of, and then the other 386 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:52.920 is that somebody was trying to make it look like 387 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:56.599 that's what happened in the sky. But the reason I 388 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:00.559 don't think that's very plausible is one, there's really not 389 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:03.359 an audience at six twelve in the morning in the 390 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:07.359 sleepy suburbs of Dallas. I had woken up earlier than. 391 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:08.160 Usual that day. 392 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:11.240 I usually get out around six point thirty, and I'm 393 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:13.039 usually one of the first people out. So if you're 394 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:15.519 spoofing it, you know who are you spoofing at for? 395 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:17.240 If you want to. 396 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:20.640 You know, when I had that experience with my friend 397 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:24.359 a decade earlier, that was on you know, a Friday 398 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:28.599 night on a busy coast town, you know, in California, 399 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:31.400 So there was something you're showing off for somebody, for 400 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:33.920 a group. But you know, I think it was like 401 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:36.319