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Speaker 4: least to three thousand feet above us.
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Speaker 4: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
Speaker 4: experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
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Speaker 4: Oregon about the objects he witnessed that were moving, multiplying,
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Speaker 6: Now on with the show, Hello David, Welcome.
Speaker 4: To the podcast. Thank you, Thank you. For joining us today,
Speaker 4: and you're call in from the state of Texas.
Speaker 5: That's right. I'm in the suburbs of Dallas coort Worth.
Speaker 4: That's great. Okay, Now, David, you had a UFO sign
Speaker 4: that occurred in twenty twenty one. Would you like to
Speaker 4: start the beginning please, David, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: So it was in October twenty twenty one. It was
Speaker 5: about six twelve in the morning. I had just gotten
Speaker 5: up to start my morning walk. It was a very
Speaker 5: very clear morning, and about twenty seconds after I start
Speaker 5: heading down the sidewalk, I noticed something sort of blinking
Speaker 5: in my periphery, imagine like a twinkling star, and so
Speaker 5: I look up at it, and it takes my eyes
Speaker 5: maybe a second to focus on what I'm looking at
Speaker 5: because I'm expecting it to move, but in fact it's hovering.
Speaker 5: Because I'm thinking it might be like a plane, and
Speaker 5: so my eyes just sort of waiting.
Speaker 2: To see if it moves, and it doesn't move. It's
Speaker 2: just hovering.
Speaker 5: And then I realize that it's not like a star
Speaker 5: or a planet. It's not a plane. It is if
Speaker 5: you can imagine a red sphere with a green sphere
Speaker 5: inside of it, sort of like a pokey ball where
Speaker 5: the inner sphere is like a glowing green color and
Speaker 5: around this screen light. It's not really a sphere. It's
Speaker 5: just to me, it's just appearing as like a bright
Speaker 5: light and it's kind of too bright to look at directly.
Speaker 5: If you can imagine sort of looking at like a
Speaker 5: Christmas tree light bulb, you wouldn't want it to look
Speaker 5: directly at it. But it's this green bright light is
Speaker 5: true a red orb around it, and the orb is
Speaker 5: getting well, the light's getting bright, the green light is
Speaker 5: getting brighter, and as it's getting.
Speaker 2: Brighter, the red orb is growing inside.
Speaker 5: Initially I thought I might be looking at a meteor exploding.
Speaker 5: I take a lot of walk because I have a
Speaker 5: desk job. I try to comment date by going outside
Speaker 5: and walking a lot. And I've seen like a meteor
Speaker 5: explode in the sky and create sort of a red
Speaker 5: burst around it, and when it does, the red burst
Speaker 5: just keeps expanding forever until it dissipates in a little
Speaker 5: flex of the meteor shoot off and create little glows
Speaker 5: sort of like a like a sphon of fire working close.
Speaker 5: So I'm thinking that might be what I'm looking at
Speaker 5: with like a green star directly behind it. I have
Speaker 5: to tell you it's it's really weird to see something
Speaker 5: you've never seen before because your brain has you know,
Speaker 5: by the time you're an adult, your brain's seen everything
Speaker 5: it's going to see. But when you've seen you've seen something,
Speaker 5: or when you see something you've never seen before, it's
Speaker 5: really a weird phenomenon because your brain's like trying to
Speaker 5: figure out what's what's it's looking at. So anyway it does,
Speaker 5: the ORB does not keep dissipating and burst into flinds,
Speaker 5: and in fact, the ORB has sort of something going
Speaker 5: on inside of it what I would describe now as plasma. Basically,
Speaker 5: the green white was so bright and hot that it
Speaker 5: was creating atmosphere a plasma around it, and the reddish
Speaker 5: ORB was not entirely red.
Speaker 2: It was actually like sort of an orange or red,
Speaker 2: but it was.
Speaker 5: Sort of changing colors on the inside. And what I
Speaker 5: understand now, so I'm having researched this is that basically
Speaker 5: orange would be like the lowest temperature that it would
Speaker 5: burn at, or maybe redisue the lowest separature it would
Speaker 5: burn at.
Speaker 2: But basically that that's the colors.
Speaker 5: That like the wavelet the light when it's at a
Speaker 5: certain temperature, and so basically because the temperature was very
Speaker 5: he it wasn't a uniform of color, that's my understanding now,
Speaker 5: But to me, it just looked like like the orb
Speaker 5: was had like a fire going on inside. Not not
Speaker 5: totally like fire, but sort of had like like electrical
Speaker 5: flame looking things. Like, I said, nothing, I've never I've
Speaker 5: never seen anything like this in the sky before.
Speaker 2: It was really quite a sight to behold.
Speaker 5: And the orb does not keep growing, In fact, it
Speaker 5: starts to shrink, and so I sort of just sensed
Speaker 5: with the is this a meteor thing? The other thing
Speaker 5: is that if we're a meteor in it, we're stationary,
Speaker 5: that would indicate it was traveling like directly apt which
Speaker 5: seemed improbable.
Speaker 2: So I'm if I.
Speaker 5: Had a little longer to look at it. Now, bear
Speaker 5: in mind, this whole encounter least like somewhere between five
Speaker 5: and ten seconds.
Speaker 2: But I woke up at it.
Speaker 5: I see this thing. It's the red orb is growing.
Speaker 5: It starts shrinking as as like the object inside of
Speaker 5: it gets a little bit cooler, and then the red
Speaker 5: orb sort of goes away, and I don't remember if
Speaker 5: it went from like thirty percent to zero immediately, like
Speaker 5: like a light bulb, it switched it off, or if
Speaker 5: it just went really really quickly away. But I think
Speaker 5: what that was was that the object fell blow a
Speaker 5: certain necessary temperature to generate plasma.
Speaker 7: Because you have to have a really hot object of.
Speaker 5: The sky to make platsm So I think it basically
Speaker 5: it got below that temperature and then the plasma sucket
Speaker 5: and then the object sort of stayed in that location
Speaker 5: for maybe half a second. So, first of all, at
Speaker 5: that point, I'm thinking, is this an object in the
Speaker 5: sky shining very brightly and hovering, And then as I'm
Speaker 5: thinking that, the orb goes away, it stays there for
Speaker 5: like a half second, and then it zips over to
Speaker 5: the side of my field. Division maybe you're holding out
Speaker 5: your hand, maybe move your hand over two inches three
Speaker 5: inches in the air. And it went so quickly that
Speaker 5: I did not see a light trail, but I got
Speaker 5: the perception that it moved, and it moved totally horizontally.
Speaker 5: It didn't go up or down. Then he helped to that.
Speaker 5: When I looked at it, it was maybe forty five
Speaker 5: degrees to my left initially, and then when I looked
Speaker 5: up at it. It's maybe thirty to forty degrees off
Speaker 5: the bride, so it dips over in the sky so fast.
Speaker 2: I can't even really see it move.
Speaker 5: And then I looked at it over there in that
Speaker 5: new location, and before I'm able to like start making
Speaker 5: out its form, it gets away.
Speaker 2: In the space. Now to me, it looked.
Speaker 5: Like it blinked out of existence if you can imagine
Speaker 5: the light going out on.
Speaker 2: A cathode ray.
Speaker 5: TV or cathod tube TV, where it sort of like
Speaker 5: disappears into itself, and it did so like an accelerating rate.
Speaker 5: From my perspective, it looks like it shot away from
Speaker 5: me like something that had been pulled back on a
Speaker 5: sling shot and then release, and it went like that
Speaker 5: into space. But it could have been sort of something
Speaker 5: that's just stuck that like stuck inside of itself. I
Speaker 5: guess it could have been going into like another dimension
Speaker 5: and sort of like going. But it looked to me
Speaker 5: like it went back into space and it disappeared, you know,
Speaker 5: beyond like the vanishing this. And I'd say in like
Speaker 5: the twentieth of a second or maybe less. And I
Speaker 5: know that amount of time because you know, when you're little,
Speaker 5: you play that game when it stopped watch and see
Speaker 5: how quickly you can get to stop watch to start
Speaker 5: and stop, and you know, twenty to the second would
Speaker 5: be zero point zero five And that's about as you know,
Speaker 5: as fast as you could possibly start and stop the
Speaker 5: time watch or starting to stop a stop watch would
Speaker 5: be about how quickly it is zipped into space. So
Speaker 5: I am, you know, sumbfounded by what I've just seen,
Speaker 5: and I keep staring at the sky. After about a
Speaker 5: couple of minutes, I realized I need to keep going
Speaker 5: on my walk because I have a briefed to write
Speaker 5: that day. And I send a text message to a
Speaker 5: friend at six twenty saying I just saw UFO And
Speaker 5: that's when I realized I needed to write some of
Speaker 5: this stuff down, So I took some contemporary its notes.
Speaker 5: When I did that, I sort of charted out where
Speaker 5: I was versus how far I had walked, or where
Speaker 5: my house was to where if I had walked, how
Speaker 5: long that took to tend down the time to start
Speaker 5: writing down some details. But you know, I've been interested
Speaker 5: in this topic my whole life. Never see anything that's
Speaker 5: interesting in the sky. This was a short sighting, but
Speaker 5: for me it was, you know, really pretty.
Speaker 2: It was clear, you.
Speaker 5: Know, because I could very clearly see that there was
Speaker 5: something going on inside of the orb around it that
Speaker 5: was unlike anything I've seen. I didn't do much about
Speaker 5: it for a little while. I sort of put down
Speaker 5: the UFO topics for a while in my mind. I'd
Speaker 5: lost interest in it. After law school, I took a
Speaker 5: class called National Security Walk where I learned that the
Speaker 5: National Security Actors created the NSA, CIA Air Force, Joint
Speaker 5: Piece of Staff, National Security Council, leave the National Reconnaissance Office.
Speaker 5: But I'm not positive an that stuff. All that legislation
Speaker 5: happened and got passed in the weeks after Roswall, and
Speaker 5: so I thought, okay, this is it was sort of
Speaker 5: a propaganda to get legislation through and then they people
Speaker 5: just forgot about it because it wasn't real. And once
Speaker 5: I realized that, you know, it could be a government tool,
Speaker 5: a political tool, I stopped being interested in it. And
Speaker 5: the other thing I realized psychologically about the phenomenon is that,
Speaker 5: you know, I don't really care if aliens exist.
Speaker 2: I just want to know.
Speaker 5: And if the answer is that we're all loan, well
Speaker 5: then there you don't get an answer because you'll always
Speaker 5: keep keep searching. But if there is something there and
Speaker 5: then you know, then then you know and.
Speaker 2: The question is over.
Speaker 5: So once I realized that about the phenomenon, I realized, Okay,
Speaker 5: this is really being driven by.
Speaker 7: A desire for people to have an answer, and.
Speaker 2: That was enough for me to put it down.
Speaker 5: But then I had this encounter, which you know, I
Speaker 5: was very busy that day. I wasn't looking to have
Speaker 5: a UFO sighting, but it was pretty definitive. I've researched
Speaker 5: every possible explanation I reported to move on. They couldn't
Speaker 5: explain it. I have searched SAA records, I submitted a
Speaker 5: FOIA request, haven't got any information about it. So you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know what to do with this information now.
Speaker 5: But you know, I know it's not scientific evidence, but
Speaker 5: it's it's it's evidence to me, and so you know,
Speaker 5: I'm the finder of fact for my wife, and so yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know. I feel pretty committed to this topic now,
Speaker 5: and so I know a lot of people are feeling
Speaker 5: discouraged about the UFO disclosure process, But from my perspective,
Speaker 5: I'm getting back on the on the wagon er on
Speaker 5: the horse, so I'm gonna be writing my senators.
Speaker 4: That's great, David. If you look at it from a
Speaker 4: point of view of it being a meteorite, say five
Speaker 4: to ten seconds for a metial viewing is very long.
Speaker 4: You know, we use you when you see a meteorite
Speaker 4: and it's entering the atmosphe it's so quick. You know,
Speaker 4: by the time you realize what just happened, it's already over.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, funny you mentioned that I was. I witnessed the
Speaker 5: Texas fireball of in July twenty twenty two, and if
Speaker 5: you google Texas fireballs July, you'll see it. I happened
Speaker 5: to be on a walk facing exactly that direction when
Speaker 5: it happened. I knew it was seemed so impassible that
Speaker 5: i'd see so, you know, something else cool in the sky.
Speaker 2: So I drew. I took a.
Speaker 5: Picture, and I drew a picture of what I saw.
Speaker 5: I said it to my wife exactly at that time,
Speaker 5: so I could record, because you know, I'm an attorney,
Speaker 5: so I'm concerned about facts things like that. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: estimated that to take one and a half to keep sex.
Speaker 5: I don't remember if I wrote that down to text,
Speaker 5: but that was.
Speaker 2: How long it happened.
Speaker 5: In my mind, I saw the whole thing because I
Speaker 5: was literally facing write that direction. I noticed when it
Speaker 5: started peeking out started going. That lasted like seven to
Speaker 5: nine seconds or something like that. But I wait underestimated
Speaker 5: the amount of time it took. And you know that
Speaker 5: that shot across the sky, because that's what a meteor does.
Speaker 5: This wasn't moving at all, you know, this was just
Speaker 5: something burning brightly and then fading a little and then
Speaker 5: shooting over in experience, but if it had moved, I
Speaker 5: would have, you know, my eyes would have started tracking it.
Speaker 5: I always thought it grow and shrink once. But I
Speaker 5: had the sensation that it was sort of pulsing, and
Speaker 5: that when I had glanced at it, I basically it took.
Speaker 5: I was probably looking at it as it shrinking again,
Speaker 5: but it took me a second to focus on it.
Speaker 5: And what I watched was it to start paulsing again.
Speaker 2: But I can't be sure of that.
Speaker 4: Even if it was a meteorite that was directly heading
Speaker 4: towards you, as you know from your field of view,
Speaker 4: it wouldn't really it wouldn't change trajectory, you know, it
Speaker 4: wouldn't move to the left, it would just continue on
Speaker 4: its on its journey and then eventually burning out completely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: And this thing didn't didn't burn out, it moved a
Speaker 5: different direction. I mean, I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't waste my time if I did not think
Speaker 5: I saw an extraterrestrial vehicle in the sky or a
Speaker 5: replica of it. Initially, initially had some denial over the
Speaker 5: idea that it was there already when I when I
Speaker 5: walked out in my door. I really wanted it to
Speaker 5: be something that started when I started noticing it in
Speaker 5: my periphery, because if that happened, then it was just
Speaker 5: something that.
Speaker 7: I that just happened while I was out there.
Speaker 5: But if it was already there when I left the
Speaker 5: house that day, then it would kind of seem like
Speaker 5: it decided to leave because it noticed me notice.
Speaker 2: It, if that makes sense.
Speaker 5: And I couldn't conceive of how that'd be possible without
Speaker 5: there being sort of like consciousness interplay. I'm really opposed
Speaker 5: to that whole idea. No offense to any of your listeners. Personally,
Speaker 5: I liked the idea of the solitude of my own mind.
Speaker 5: That's the only thing that kept me helped me to sleep
Speaker 5: at night when I was a kid, after watching unsolved
Speaker 5: mystery stories about alien abductions. It was the idea that
Speaker 5: I have some sort of privacy in my mind. I
Speaker 5: think it's possible these things have just the most amazing
Speaker 5: level of facial scanning and optacle you know, security detection,
Speaker 5: like beyond anything we could imagine, and so it gives
Speaker 5: us the perception that they're in our minds. But really,
Speaker 5: you know, they just saw me, saw it, and I
Speaker 5: just emerged from behind probably the trees from across the
Speaker 5: street and said, oh, I got to get out of here.
Speaker 5: So it stopped doing whatever it was doing, sort of
Speaker 5: took like an evasive maneuver, or maybe maybe it had
Speaker 5: to change directions to leave the atmosphere, and then it
Speaker 5: bog you down out. That's what it looks like happened.
Speaker 5: And for a while I really wanted to deny that,
Speaker 5: but that's what I thought, and so I tried to
Speaker 5: come up with other other explanations for why it might have,
Speaker 5: you know, just started to happen, you know, twenty seconds
Speaker 5: into my walk, as opposed to seeing me in the league.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if that answers your question.
Speaker 4: Absolutely on the website. In the description of this episode,
Speaker 4: I will put David's drawing of the object he saw,
Speaker 4: as well as the move on report which they classed
Speaker 4: it is unknown. Yeah, prior to this experience, had you
Speaker 4: had any experiences before this?
Speaker 5: The only other time that I thought I saw UFO
Speaker 5: was when it was when I was walking with a
Speaker 5: friend down the shore in Long Beach, California, and he
Speaker 5: pointed to something in the sky and said, hey, look,
Speaker 5: those helicopters are chasing at UFO. And sure enough, that's
Speaker 5: what it looks like. It looks like a bunch of
Speaker 5: helicopters were flying after a greenish orb, And so in
Speaker 5: that sense, yeah, I did. At some point I think
Speaker 5: I'd seen the UFO before that, But even in that moment,
Speaker 5: I noticed that the green orb that they were chasing
Speaker 5: in my my friend's mind, that that green orb was
Speaker 5: the same color as the tail lights of the choppers
Speaker 5: were chasing after it. My friend was a pilot, and
Speaker 5: I said, what color are the lights on helicopters?
Speaker 2: And he said green and red.
Speaker 5: I said, oh, okay, I think what that was a
Speaker 5: military helicopter. It turned off all of its lights except
Speaker 5: for the green tail light and it flew ahead of
Speaker 5: its squadron and they flew by the coat to sort
Speaker 5: of mimic a UFO encounter.
Speaker 2: And they probably did it for a laugh.
Speaker 5: And in fact, you know that's Commander Fraverer, on his
Speaker 5: appearance on the Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: Podcast, talks about the fact that he had.
Speaker 5: Done that with his helicopter when he was flying around,
Speaker 5: that they would find.
Speaker 2: Ways UFO experiences.
Speaker 5: It was kind of shocking for the guy who's going
Speaker 5: on the Joe Rogan podcast to tell people that UFOs
Speaker 5: do exist. But anyway, so for you know, a moment's
Speaker 5: there when my friends said he saw one, I kind
Speaker 5: of agreed with them that.
Speaker 2: That's what it looked like.
Speaker 5: But you know, I started debunking it within you know,
Speaker 5: milliseconds of starting to look at this thing because I
Speaker 5: perceived it, you know, quickly, to be something of natural phenomenon, which.
Speaker 4: Is always a good idea. Yeah, the eyes can be
Speaker 4: deceived and sometimes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and when I had my encounter in the last year,
Speaker 5: that was one of the first things I thought about was, well,
Speaker 5: this is just a red and these are just red
Speaker 5: and green lights and so and the friend I texted
Speaker 5: was the friend I saw that UFO with, or who
Speaker 5: we thought he saw UFO. So I mean, it was
Speaker 5: a notable experience, but I think it was an attempt
Speaker 5: of spoof And you know, I basically have two remaining
Speaker 5: explanations in my mind. One is some sort of electromagnetic
Speaker 5: phenomenon that I don't know of, and then the other
Speaker 5: is that somebody was trying to make it look like
Speaker 5: that's what happened in the sky. But the reason I
Speaker 5: don't think that's very plausible is one, there's really not
Speaker 5: an audience at six twelve in the morning in the
Speaker 5: sleepy suburbs of Dallas. I had woken up earlier than.
Speaker 2: Usual that day.
Speaker 5: I usually get out around six point thirty, and I'm
Speaker 5: usually one of the first people out. So if you're
Speaker 5: spoofing it, you know who are you spoofing at for?
Speaker 2: If you want to.
Speaker 5: You know, when I had that experience with my friend
Speaker 5: a decade earlier, that was on you know, a Friday
Speaker 5: night on a busy coast town, you know, in California,
Speaker 5: So there was something you're showing off for somebody, for
Speaker 5: a group. But you know, I think it was like
Speaker 5: Tuesday or Wednesday morning, six o'clock. I don't know why
Speaker 5: anybody would try to spoof something like that in the sky.
Speaker 2: I don't think they'd be doing it for.
Speaker 5: And then the other thing is that I have a
Speaker 5: neighbor that's a pilot and I was actually standing about
Speaker 5: in front of his house when I saw the thing,
Speaker 5: and I actually ran into him about half an hour
Speaker 5: before my interview is my move on Field Investigators, and
Speaker 5: I told him what I saw, and he said, well,
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I know that area is not
Speaker 5: a military operating area, so there's no military operating or
Speaker 5: in that direction. So you know, it sort of rules
Speaker 5: out the idea of military drone experiment because I think
Speaker 5: that if they're doing something like that, they would do
Speaker 5: that in a military operating area.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, this particular siting like this, I have had
Speaker 4: of a guest report this, I think at least on
Speaker 4: at least on two occasions, possibly free occasions actually over
Speaker 4: the last few years.
Speaker 5: Well, so, I did some research on plasma balls and
Speaker 5: there's actually a report from NARCASS called Aviation Safety in
Speaker 5: America Spherical UFO. It says in some cases the spherical
Speaker 5: UAP are described as lights, while others or well other
Speaker 5: descriptions are of metallic or glowing objects. In many cases,
Speaker 5: and this is a skipping quite ahead. Many cases, is
Speaker 5: difficult to determine whether the light was so intense as
Speaker 5: mask an objects or otherwise make the shape of that
Speaker 5: object indiscernible. And that's really the problem that I had
Speaker 5: with what I was seeing, Like I didn't want to
Speaker 5: look directly at it because it was pretty bright. If
Speaker 5: I if I could do the experience all over again,
Speaker 5: I would have splinted really really hard at it immediately to.
Speaker 2: See if I could make out of shape.
Speaker 5: What I've warned about plasma is that with something like
Speaker 5: ball lightning, the theory behind it is that there is
Speaker 5: that there's plasma being generated in a toroidal fashion, which
Speaker 5: means basically like emanating in like a heart shaped direction
Speaker 5: around the objects. And the other thing if you get
Speaker 5: to this NARCAP report, they the thesis is essentially that
Speaker 5: a lot of these are like ball lightning plasmoid objects.
Speaker 5: But the similarities between them are that they are white objects,
Speaker 5: that they that they're they glow white. Be interested in
Speaker 5: knowing more about these other experiences, because what I saw
Speaker 5: definitely wasn't white. It was a red and green thing.
Speaker 5: And the reason I brought the toidal form of the
Speaker 5: plasma is that what I know to have been plasma
Speaker 5: was the thing in the orb around it.
Speaker 2: The thing in the center.
Speaker 5: Is what I would just think is the craft of
Speaker 5: the objects. So I don't really know that that was
Speaker 5: necessarily plasma, but I now define the reddish block fire
Speaker 5: that was happening around the objects, so I think that
Speaker 5: was plasma.
Speaker 2: And I didn't know.
Speaker 5: I'd never seen plasma before in real life, so I
Speaker 5: don't think it was a typical plasmoid generated like between
Speaker 5: a like a power generating station on like a cloudy
Speaker 5: days and see like a floating ball of bite. I
Speaker 5: don't think it was something like that, but if possible,
Speaker 5: there's some sort of atmospheric or electronics or electrical phenomenon
Speaker 5: that I'm not aware of haven't found in the literature
Speaker 5: that it could have been, because I didn't see an object,
Speaker 5: Like I said, if I could do it again, I
Speaker 5: would have squinted to see if I could make out
Speaker 5: a form, but the light was so intense that the mask.
Speaker 2: The object or otherwise makes the shape in the cernament.
Speaker 1: And it was a.
Speaker 4: Completely clear morning, no clouds.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so if you go to the Doppler, you go
Speaker 5: to the Doppler radar history, the nearest dot on the
Speaker 5: radar was like twenty miles away.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 5: There was not a cloud anywhere in the sky of
Speaker 5: the scene, and there wasn't any atmospheric anything within like
Speaker 5: one hundred miles, so we were in a very very clear,
Speaker 5: calm morning.
Speaker 2: It was a new moon, well.
Speaker 5: I think a day or two after a new moon,
Speaker 5: and it was just before daylight savings had turned over,
Speaker 5: so it would have been one of the darkest mornings
Speaker 5: I was taken aback. I was a little surprised at
Speaker 5: how dark it was because I hadn't been out, I
Speaker 5: hadn't gotten onto my walk in my week, and so
Speaker 5: when I woke up early that morning, I said, I
Speaker 5: let's don't do it. When I got out, it was
Speaker 5: much darker than I was expecting, and so it almost
Speaker 5: felt like it was night time. It was clear in
Speaker 5: that sense, and I know that it wasn't a light
Speaker 5: on an object. That's one of the other problems that it
Speaker 5: has to be light before it's a night tide report.
Speaker 5: But it wasn't a light on an object because it
Speaker 5: was clear enough that I would have seen it. That's
Speaker 5: the other reason I don't think it was a drone
Speaker 5: because there were, or at least not like a near drone,
Speaker 5: because if it were, it would have been you know,
Speaker 5: I kept looking at the sky, but there's nothing left
Speaker 5: in the sky, So if.
Speaker 7: It were like a drone, like a thousand feet up,
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 5: I still would have been able to make out some
Speaker 5: sort of movement up there. And of course I spent
Speaker 5: the next you know, forty minutes outside of my walk,
Speaker 5: and I'm you know, generally walking with that part of
Speaker 5: the sky in view for about thirty percent of the walk,
Speaker 5: so I spent you know, several minutes and I didn't
Speaker 5: see any other lights or any other activity it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like I said, I feel like I saw someone up there.
Speaker 5: And this guy would have a state park and we don't.
Speaker 5: And that's fascinating, and I'm interested in in worrying more
Speaker 5: about it, and I want I want to stay start too.
Speaker 4: So now has put you on on a mission to
Speaker 4: find out what it could pay.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I mentioned this, but the person
Speaker 5: who I emailed has the same last name. But what
Speaker 5: I didn't know is is that the person I emailed
Speaker 5: him to ask about I think was probably as bother
Speaker 5: maybe you know some of their close relatives, but that
Speaker 5: that person committed suicide after being shamed about UFOs publicly.
Speaker 5: So I felt bad after I've read the rest of
Speaker 5: that guy's Wikipedia article and that I'd asked about UFOs.
Speaker 5: And yeah, So it was a professor at u of
Speaker 5: A whose name was James McDonald, and he was he
Speaker 5: investigated the atmospheric physics explanations for UFOs because he was,
Speaker 5: you know, interested in them. And during some congressional hearing
Speaker 5: in like nineteen seventy, senator said something like, well, I
Speaker 5: wouldn't take anybody seriously losing a little ring men, And
Speaker 5: like six months later he killed himself anyway, And the
Speaker 5: perston I emailed was Kirk McDonald, who who has that
Speaker 5: the guy who killed himself? He has that guy's bibliography
Speaker 5: on his own physics Princeton dot edu bio. And so
Speaker 5: I didn't read the part of the of the Wikipedia
Speaker 5: page where it said that James McDonald was killed himself.
Speaker 5: I just thought, at Kirk mc donald, who was a
Speaker 5: physics professor at Princeton, has this guy bios like bibliography
Speaker 5: on his on a stage. So I thought, well, maybe
Speaker 5: this guy has continued interest in this subject, but in
Speaker 5: fact it may be a very sensitive topic.
Speaker 2: He still has the bio.
Speaker 5: On his website, so it's not you know, I guess
Speaker 5: he sort of invited it a little bit. He didn't
Speaker 5: have much to say other than maybe it was a meteor.
Speaker 5: But when the theory about meteor based plasma is that
Speaker 5: the metior when it travels in the sky, it's so
Speaker 5: hot as to create plasma in its trail, and then
Speaker 5: the electromagnetic field between the Earth and the plasma that
Speaker 5: generated in the sky, that is, there's something sufficient to
Speaker 5: create ball plasma in between. And so when the metior
Speaker 5: based lightning explanation is thrown out there, it's not referring
Speaker 5: to plasma around the media. It's referring to plasma like
Speaker 5: trail plasma balls to get sort of created in this weight,
Speaker 5: if that makes sense. So anyway, that's not really a
Speaker 5: satisfactory explanation for me.
Speaker 4: I think for now it's going to remain unknown.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if it is an extraterrestrial vehicle, then
Speaker 5: there's not going to be another explanation. And that's what's
Speaker 5: hard to when you're talking about it with other people.
Speaker 5: What do you tell the people that really did see something?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: What are you know?
Speaker 5: Like, you want to try to help them by finding
Speaker 5: an explanation for it, But if there really is no
Speaker 5: other explanation, well that's sort of the end of the story.
Speaker 5: What are you supposed to do about it? Class as
Speaker 5: a UFO, Yeah, you know, I think MOUFON didn't. MUFON
Speaker 5: either classifies it as well. They either find an explanation
Speaker 5: for it that they consider reasonable. They either can't find
Speaker 5: an explanation for it, or they call it they classified
Speaker 5: as an unidentified aerial vehicle a ua V. And that's
Speaker 5: what the field investigator told me, And so basically he
Speaker 5: did not have enough information to say that they thought
Speaker 5: that was a ua V. And I don't blame them.
Speaker 5: Their their goal is to be a scientific organization. And
Speaker 5: you know, my testimony is not scientific evidence. It might
Speaker 5: be you can do scientific like studies on large groups
Speaker 5: of opinions or like surveys, You can do sort of
Speaker 5: social science experiments and stuff like that, but you can't,
Speaker 5: you know, eyewitness testimony. You cannot see the sole basis
Speaker 5: for claiming the existence of UAV for scienceic organization. So
Speaker 5: I don't blame them for not saying it was an
Speaker 5: unidentified area vehicle. The other thing is, you know, I'm
Speaker 5: not sure that I saw a physical thing. I think
Speaker 5: it was, but I didn't actually see anything physical. So
Speaker 5: even I'm not reporting having seen a physical object in it,
Speaker 5: just did a look like that.
Speaker 4: I mean, it would be very rare, you know, if
Speaker 4: you were to see it again. But on the off
Speaker 4: chance that you do, let us know.
Speaker 2: Oh, I definitely will. I think it would be great
Speaker 2: to see it again.
Speaker 5: But one thing that the experience gave me was an
Speaker 5: appreciation for why we don't have photos. Sort of come
Speaker 5: to the conclusion that if you're looking at a photo
Speaker 5: or with a long video of something, then it's almost
Speaker 5: necessarily not a UFO because they don't want us to
Speaker 5: see them. You know, if you can a UFO and
Speaker 5: your viewfinder, that means you can put a UFO in
Speaker 5: your cross areas, and when you have laser weapons, that
Speaker 5: means you can then shoot that object instantly. So a
Speaker 5: UFO is never going to let us put them in
Speaker 5: their cross hairs if they can help it. And that's
Speaker 5: why I don't think we have any good photos of them.
Speaker 5: You almost need to be ready with a camera with
Speaker 5: like proper focused capabilities to be able to take a
Speaker 5: photo faster than they can, you know, lead And I
Speaker 5: don't know that I'll ever be ready with a camera
Speaker 5: like that, Otherwise I'd have to walk around with a
Speaker 5: camera in my head. But if I see it again.
Speaker 2: I'll let you know exactly.
Speaker 4: That's why some of these experiences happen when people are
Speaker 4: not expecting it, you know, when like yourself, you're out
Speaker 4: on their walk, you know, or either they're driving home.
Speaker 4: When people are not expecting to have these experiences. So
Speaker 4: hence why you know, we don't have cameras and stuff,
Speaker 4: and the cameras that we do have in our pocket
Speaker 4: on our phones, they're great technology, but they ain't very
Speaker 4: good for taking pictures of objects that are you know,
Speaker 4: not close by, you know, they're in the distance that
Speaker 4: they're up in the sky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so true.
Speaker 5: I mean, I got an Apple thirteen Pro. I go
Speaker 5: on these walks at night to try to take photos.
Speaker 5: I can't get a good photo of the moon. It's
Speaker 5: sitting right there, so there'sgest objects in the sky. I
Speaker 5: can't get a good photo of the moon with my
Speaker 5: Apple I FM thirteen pro it's hard to believe, but
Speaker 5: I think that there must be some Whens configuration they
Speaker 5: used for near objects that they have good looking pictures
Speaker 5: of people, but they're certainly not designed to take photos
Speaker 5: of things at night.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. You know, I've been the same situation. You know,
Speaker 4: we'd have a supermoon and it would be the closest
Speaker 4: has been to Earth, and I get the camera right,
Speaker 4: take a picture and it looks like it's you know,
Speaker 4: even further away.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a bright white ball or something. I don't
Speaker 5: really understand. We had a you're phone the right way.
Speaker 5: Maybe there's some way to make it work, or maybe
Speaker 5: I need to get like a real photographer's camera.
Speaker 4: That's wonderful, David.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, I hope you're able to get something
Speaker 5: good out of it. I will very much look forward
Speaker 5: to hearing it. All right, We'll have a great day. Nick,
Speaker 5: thanks so much for everything you do.
Speaker 4: You're more than welcome, David. David, I really appreciate you
Speaker 4: coming on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 2: Have a good one, Take care of yourself, all.
Speaker 4: Right, keeping contact and well speak soon.
Speaker 2: All right, say bye, and now, thanks.
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Speaker 4: Do not go any further, turn around, go home. Hello, Michael, welcome.
Speaker 1: To the show. Thanks Nick, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: You're more than welcome. Thank you for coming on today.
Speaker 4: And you're called in from a state of Oregon, Yes, sir,
Speaker 4: great stuff. Now, Michael you have some UFO experiences to share,
Speaker 4: would you like stop the beginning please sure?
Speaker 1: Just to give you a little background, I'm thirty nine
Speaker 1: years old, originally from born and raised in Bosoma, Montana,
Speaker 1: and this first occurrence happened when I was around twelve
Speaker 1: years old. My mom was always one that was would
Speaker 1: wake us up if there was a media shower and stuff.
Speaker 1: She's always on letting us know about stuff like that,
Speaker 1: or whenever there's you know, a blood moon eclipse, all
Speaker 1: that stuff comets, et cetera. UFOs wasn't really anything that
Speaker 1: I ever thought about at that age. And one that
Speaker 1: me and my sister were was around nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 1: were watching a media shower and we noticed a just
Speaker 1: as bright as any other random star that was in
Speaker 1: the sky. Mindy, this is out in the country, so
Speaker 1: very clear nights, you'd see all the stars, and the
Speaker 1: brightness wasn't what brought our attention to the object. It
Speaker 1: was that it was moving in a strange way. It
Speaker 1: was spiraling in kind of a upward oblong shape, egg
Speaker 1: motion kind of shape, and it was very very very
Speaker 1: high up in the atmosphere, I would say, in you know,
Speaker 1: the satellite area range and the objects split into two
Speaker 1: and it was bouncing off of each other. The two
Speaker 1: objects started to bounce and then spin around each other,
Speaker 1: and me and my sister were both just left in silence. Then.
Speaker 1: I can't really remember.
Speaker 3: Because this was so long ago, whether we.
Speaker 1: Had a conversation do you see that or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I just both knew that we were both seeing it,
Speaker 1: and we both had the feeling that what we were
Speaker 1: seeing was for us. We were seeing it, and what
Speaker 1: was showing what was doing it was aware that we
Speaker 1: were seeing it, and vice versa.
Speaker 2: It was aware that we were aware.
Speaker 1: It was aware that you can follow. So after we
Speaker 1: watched these for a bit, I don't even remember them
Speaker 1: disappearing or what made us ended up going aside. I
Speaker 1: just remember that we had heard a very high pitched
Speaker 1: frequency and it really freaked my sister out. I remember
Speaker 1: that she said she when we went inside, she was
Speaker 1: worried she was going to be found dead in the ditch.
Speaker 1: I don't know why she said, I just it really
Speaker 1: freaked my sister out, and she's never been big about
Speaker 1: UFOs ever since. It's almost like she tried to block
Speaker 1: that out for a long time because I didn't talk
Speaker 1: about it with her for years and years until.
Speaker 2: We were adults.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that's about the just of a
Speaker 1: first experience. It was very very quick experience. We didn't
Speaker 1: watch this thing for more than about a minute. So
Speaker 1: the second time that I had an occurrence was two
Speaker 1: thousand and five and me and my friend Greg were
Speaker 1: taking some lascup and we were walking about through the
Speaker 1: town going to meet our friend Carl, who was working
Speaker 1: at the gas station. Now, as the three of us
Speaker 1: walked home, I will say Carl was stone holds over.
Speaker 1: And this is what's great, because I'm very skeptical when
Speaker 1: it comes to this kind of things because I'm all
Speaker 1: about science, you know, so I'm always going to be
Speaker 1: questioning what I'm seeing, what other people are seeing. And
Speaker 1: as we're walking, me and Carl were having a separate
Speaker 1: conversation and Greg happened to say, Hey.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: And we're saying, what's what? And he pointed up in
Speaker 1: the sky and we saw these two orange glowing objects
Speaker 1: and they were almost moving in a slithery type way
Speaker 1: back and forth, kind of bouncing a little bit. That
Speaker 1: it wasn't like fast motions, and these objects were probably
Speaker 1: I would say, about five hundred feet above us. You
Speaker 1: could get a good look on him, but you really
Speaker 1: couldn't see what they want.
Speaker 3: And they just almost dance for us. And same thing.
Speaker 1: These things also would like spin around each other in
Speaker 1: a circular motion, and then they would stop and just
Speaker 1: kind of slither back and forth. And we watched these
Speaker 1: things for about twenty minutes. And the whole time we're discussing,
Speaker 1: you know, what are we seeing? Are you seeing what
Speaker 1: we're seeing? Because we're thinking it's a hallucination. I'm convinced
Speaker 1: what we're seeing is some trash blowing the wind something
Speaker 1: like that. Right, So we're just keep going on about
Speaker 1: these things.
Speaker 3: But the way these things moved, it would.
Speaker 1: Look like cloth one minute blowing above us, or kind
Speaker 1: of like how seagulls will like trail in the wind
Speaker 1: like that. But this is at night, so I've never
Speaker 1: seen seagulls. For one on in Boze of Montana two
Speaker 1: at night, and they dance for us once again. They
Speaker 1: would go completely behind us to where we would actually
Speaker 1: have to turn our entire bodies and watch these things.
Speaker 1: We both just kept saying, now, what are these things?
Speaker 1: When they would be abobb us, they would look like
Speaker 1: I described, kind of like seagull, but sometimes it looked
Speaker 1: like a piece of trash bag.
Speaker 3: Blowing in the wind.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was because of how I
Speaker 1: was tripping the way that the things were forming, But
Speaker 1: these two lights danced around us for about twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: and eventually they took off at a very high rate
Speaker 1: speed and were gone. The third experience I had was
Speaker 1: most recent, was during the daytime actually, and wasn't particularly
Speaker 1: had any reason to be looking after the sky. We're
Speaker 1: going to go to Virginia City. It was a family
Speaker 1: event after my dad's funeral, and that's why I was
Speaker 1: happened to be visiting Bozeman on that certain day. I
Speaker 1: actually had already moved organ at this point and getting
Speaker 1: ready to come out of the gas station on a
Speaker 1: frontage road there in both in Montana, and a silver
Speaker 1: object just happened to catch my eye in the sky,
Speaker 1: and so it was just sitting there in one spot
Speaker 1: for a good three four minutes. I just sit there
Speaker 1: and watched it and kept asking, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: get other people to see it, my family members, and
Speaker 1: none of them could really get an eye on it,
Speaker 1: and so I was trying to block out the sun
Speaker 1: while I'm watching it to see you know, is it
Speaker 1: a plane?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: You know? Is it just my eyes playing tricks on me?
Speaker 1: Because sometimes there's something's very far away, it looks like
Speaker 1: it's not moving, but it is if you just don't
Speaker 1: if you're not watching it long enough.
Speaker 3: And it was just hovered above me, and then I
Speaker 3: noticed there.
Speaker 1: Was two more silver objects just hovering above for another
Speaker 1: good minute, and then two of them took off at
Speaker 1: a high rate of speed and the other one just
Speaker 1: hovered above. And then my sister saying's sister, mind you,
Speaker 1: I've got two different sisters. I just to give you
Speaker 1: a little backstory there. My sister was getting all freaked out.
Speaker 3: That I was drawing attention to us at.
Speaker 1: The gas station, so I really didn't get to spend
Speaker 1: much more time trying to observe them, so that was
Speaker 1: kind of unfortunate. Yeah, so that's about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've never spent a lot of time looking at the
Speaker 1: sky over my life seen satellites go by. I've seen
Speaker 1: if go by played a trick on me before, and
Speaker 1: I've never once when I was UFO hunting, have I
Speaker 1: seen something when I want to see something I've never
Speaker 1: ever seen anything, hoping I'm seeing going to see something
Speaker 1: as amazing as these occurrences, but nothing is ever as
Speaker 1: weird or strange as the first time I saw it.
Speaker 4: And hearing that that high pitch frequency was very strange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was kind of what made us
Speaker 1: go inside and stop and stop looking.
Speaker 4: Right, And your sister doesn't night talking about that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: And was this was this a different sister than your
Speaker 4: later experience?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're so, they were both there. My my,
Speaker 1: I'll just say e as my sister e. She didn't
Speaker 1: want to do. She was lisening with and she was
Speaker 1: actually like trying to say, hey, you know, what are
Speaker 1: you seeing? What are you're seeing? You know? Right?
Speaker 4: Gotcha? This high pitched sound that you heard. Did it hurt?
Speaker 4: Was it painful to hear?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Unnecessarily, I wouldn't say painful. It was just very weird
Speaker 1: the fact that we were hearing anything, because it's a
Speaker 1: normal just country night hearing crickets or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't have been anything making a sound like that.
Speaker 1: It was more that we were hearing it. What was
Speaker 1: what was freaky?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't but didn't belong.
Speaker 1: And it's hard when a memory is so old too.
Speaker 1: You know, you try to like, what what was said?
Speaker 1: What was you know? But all I can remember is
Speaker 1: what I saw that's imprinted in my mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course. Okay, So the object that you saw.
Speaker 4: First of all, it was just one object. At first,
Speaker 4: it was just into two okay, and then it yeah,
Speaker 4: then it's then it split into two, and then it
Speaker 4: was they were rotating around.
Speaker 1: Each other mm hmm in the circular emotion. They were
Speaker 1: like spinning around each other pretty pretty fast, but in
Speaker 1: an elegant way. You know. It wasn't jerky.
Speaker 3: It was in an elegant.
Speaker 4: Way, in a controlled manner.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: I forgot. Remember I had said too, they were like
Speaker 1: bouncing off of each other. They would like come together.
Speaker 1: When I say bounced, they're like come together to separate
Speaker 1: and then come back and then come together and separate
Speaker 1: and come back, and then they would circle around.
Speaker 4: Each other again quite high up saying going to height
Speaker 4: as like very satellites, very very high up high.
Speaker 1: Right, Because like I was saying, I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time staring at this guy. So you can see
Speaker 1: if you spend enough time to looking at the sky.
Speaker 1: You can see satellites go by. They're very very damn you.
Speaker 1: We'll see one going by. They tricked me before and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, seed.
Speaker 2: Something, what is that?
Speaker 1: And it will just move in a singular line. It
Speaker 1: does no variance to the line at all. I know
Speaker 1: what the satellites look like, and this did not move
Speaker 1: anything like that. But it was at that elevation, much
Speaker 1: brighter than the satellite. Like I said, bright is any
Speaker 1: random star you see on any night, whether women Offiti
Speaker 1: wasn't anything quite special. It was the fact that it
Speaker 1: was moving in such a strange way. And then one
Speaker 1: becomes two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, very odd, and satellites dermally don't do that.
Speaker 1: Twelve years old, I had no you know, you know,
Speaker 1: satellites things like that. Science wasn't I didn't understand the
Speaker 1: distances of space or anything. You know, you've got to
Speaker 1: what's the word, not objective of mine? You know, you're
Speaker 1: just an observer when you're a kid.
Speaker 4: And yeah, back in that day, there would have been
Speaker 4: a lot less satellites than there are now.
Speaker 1: Ninety five, ninety six, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Even in the night is yeah, very not as many
Speaker 4: as there are now. You look up and you can't.
Speaker 4: You know, you see when every every couple of seconds.
Speaker 1: You stay yuh, if you stay up the night sky
Speaker 1: in the right area for about maybe ten minutes max,
Speaker 1: and you know what you're looking for.
Speaker 2: You'll see them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, they're everywhere.
Speaker 4: Okay. And when you're with your friends and you saw
Speaker 4: these objects, now you had been taken out, you had
Speaker 4: been taking LSD, but one of you hadn't.
Speaker 1: No, my friend Carl was at the gas station were
Speaker 1: we were going to meet him. So we went and
Speaker 1: met him at the gas station and we were just
Speaker 1: walking with him home to go to his house, right, gotcha?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, generally when you you know, when you take LSD,
Speaker 4: it don't have shared hallucinations. Usually people having.
Speaker 1: Secon exactly exactly what freaking Carl said.
Speaker 2: Bro, It's exactly what he said.
Speaker 1: Because we're saying that we're like what we're what if
Speaker 1: we were just tripping, He's like, it'd be for one.
Speaker 1: He's like, because we all saw the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: We all kept describing what we're seeing to each other
Speaker 1: as the saying, we're like, are you seeing what we're seeing?
Speaker 1: He's describing everything I described to do the same way.
Speaker 1: We kept going, what the F is that? What is it?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 1: We wanted it.
Speaker 2: To be like, Oh, that's what that is.
Speaker 1: That's dumb, you know, but we still could never come
Speaker 1: up with an explanation for what it was and exactly
Speaker 1: what Carl said, He's like, it'd be for one for
Speaker 1: two people to have the same hallucinations strange. And I've
Speaker 1: got a lot of experience with psychedelics and I've suffered
Speaker 1: much hallucinations from sleep dep I know what hallucinations look like.
Speaker 1: Hallucinations are layered things, distortions, not objects appearing and then
Speaker 1: disappearing or flying away. I've never once seen any hallucination
Speaker 1: or something appear that was there, something manifests itself or
Speaker 1: anything like that. And the fact that we all saw
Speaker 1: at a different times. You know, me and.
Speaker 3: Karl will have a conversation.
Speaker 1: Greg's listening to music in his own world obviously looking
Speaker 1: up at the sky at night sky.
Speaker 4: You know, when it was flying, you may have seen
Speaker 4: it maybe as different colors or move it or change
Speaker 4: in shape maybe, but you know, there was definitely something there.
Speaker 1: The thing is nick about like hallucinations with LSD is,
Speaker 1: I don't get vivid hallucinations with LSD like it's more
Speaker 1: cerebral for me. It's more like a huge adrenaline rush.
Speaker 3: It's like where my mind, my thoughts go is where.
Speaker 2: The trip goes.
Speaker 1: It's never like a lot of visual stuff for me. Shrooms, yes,
Speaker 1: but you don't see things that aren't there. You see
Speaker 1: things in a just storted different way. You see reality altered.
Speaker 1: You don't see things that aren't real when you trip
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I tried to always ask myself, you know, what did what.
Speaker 1: Me and my sister saw it was? If was that
Speaker 1: a dream? You know? But I just when I dream,
Speaker 1: I don't remember my dreams, Like I just don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have.
Speaker 1: Dreams like that where I remember, like have a very
Speaker 1: good dreams, like oh I have this one dream and
Speaker 1: it was super real when I woke up. I don't
Speaker 1: have dreams like that. But I dream about nothing and
Speaker 1: then I wake up for whatever reason, Like I just
Speaker 1: don't have very lucid dreams. And then, you know, talking
Speaker 1: to my sister years later about her, you know, being
Speaker 1: willing to admit what that we saw something, but you
Speaker 1: know her recollection of is you know, about the same
Speaker 1: as mine. A twenty five year old buzzy memory. She
Speaker 1: doesn't remember how many conversations that we had. She didn't
Speaker 1: even remember me telling her about the being afraid she's
Speaker 1: going to be found dead as it did. Thing right?
Speaker 4: Okay, have you always had an interest in this kind
Speaker 4: of subject?
Speaker 1: I didn't at first until probably I would say, I
Speaker 1: really started to be fascinated with the UFOs when I
Speaker 1: was probably about seventeen or eighteen.
Speaker 4: It leaves you with a lot of questions, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does, which I like. That's fine. I like questions.
Speaker 1: But it left me with less more reassurance that what
Speaker 1: I saw that first time that I was not of
Speaker 1: this earth or well, you know, maybe our something of
Speaker 1: our creation possibly who knows whatever, whatever they were, the
Speaker 1: you know, when the Bobbles Are documentary came out, I
Speaker 1: felt more gratified. And when all the reports started came
Speaker 1: out the tic TAC objects and the trans medium vehicles
Speaker 1: just really started to make me go, now, I'm really
Speaker 1: wondering what those were, you know. And it feels more
Speaker 1: like better to talk about it with people, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's like they can't just say now, if I
Speaker 1: talk about my experience, people are less likely to say
Speaker 1: I'll put you're creative, you're making it up.
Speaker 4: And a lot of people feel the same way. As
Speaker 4: soon as that started to come out about what the
Speaker 4: government was releasing, a lot of people were kind of like, oh,
Speaker 4: let's maybe there is something in this subject. So a
Speaker 4: lot of people started tuning in, they started reading books
Speaker 4: and getting into the subject more. They don't feel like
Speaker 4: they're going to be ridiculed so much by being interested
Speaker 4: or even talking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I would have never heard about the
Speaker 1: Bobblesar story before just a few years ago in that
Speaker 1: documentary came out. But yeah, I didn't even know about
Speaker 1: that until Corbell came out that documentary. Now, it was
Speaker 1: just so you know, I believe his story, you know,
Speaker 1: I believe believe every word of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, coming Yeah, because his story has been
Speaker 4: out for ages. In fact, the guest before you he
Speaker 4: lives in New Mexico, and he lives roughly in the
Speaker 4: same area as Los Alamos, you know, where Bob Zar
Speaker 4: allegedly was, and he worked here, and and he was saying,
Speaker 4: as a kid, doesn't really remember Bob Blazar the story.
Speaker 4: When he was younger, he was he was like you
Speaker 4: he came across it much later on when someone said
Speaker 4: to him, you know, you should definitely watch this documentary.
Speaker 4: This is a literally conversation about just not so long ago.
Speaker 4: And he was saying, he remembers a guy who had
Speaker 4: the rocket car, so he remembers, but he didn't know
Speaker 4: the whole Bob Blazar story.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the fact that they denied he worked there,
Speaker 1: and then they were able to prove that they've or
Speaker 1: tried to erase his identity should prove should be enough
Speaker 1: proof that what he's saying is true.
Speaker 4: Exactly. Just because album's turned around and said no, we
Speaker 4: never work for us, it probably means you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're full of it, and then they prove it
Speaker 1: that you did that shows Okay, then why are you
Speaker 1: trying trying to cover that up? Why did they delete
Speaker 1: like they tried to delete his life?
Speaker 4: They sure did. That's wonderful, Michael.
Speaker 1: Good job, Thanks appreciate it. Nick, thanks for giving me
Speaker 1: your opportunity to tell the story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no problem man.
Speaker 1: You say that. So, like all these weird things, UFOs,
Speaker 1: bigfoot and other phenomenons have to be connected in some
Speaker 1: way that I believe is far stranger than we can
Speaker 1: even possibly imagine like layered existences they're they're crashing over.
Speaker 1: And that's why the Skinwalker Ranches is like a hotspot
Speaker 1: or something for it. I don't know, but somehow it's
Speaker 1: all connected.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely believe this will connected. That's why I
Speaker 4: have the subjects that I do on this on this show,
Speaker 4: because I believe there is a connection somehow. People coming
Speaker 4: on a share and knows, you know, their accounts. We
Speaker 4: try and make little connections, you know, if you can
Speaker 4: find like at of similarities to maybe finding little puzzle
Speaker 4: pieces and maybe putting him together into a bigger picture.
Speaker 1: My wife's uncle, he's in his late sixties and he
Speaker 1: swears of and down and he's a teenager. He was
Speaker 1: his dad there in California and they're going down the road.
Speaker 3: And he saw a large, very large, harry.
Speaker 1: Looking man way off in the distance moving through the
Speaker 1: deep deep snow at a real, real pretty quick pace.
Speaker 1: And he's like, nothing moves through snow like that upright,
Speaker 1: He just doesn't. And he tried to get his dad
Speaker 1: to stop, and his dad would. He still swears that
Speaker 1: story is still to this day and his sixties and
Speaker 1: that happened, you know, fifty years ago. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: a firm believer in all things weirdness. Strangely should be.
Speaker 3: Questions like, just because there's not evidence.
Speaker 1: That something doesn't mean it doesn't exist either, So just
Speaker 1: don't have evidence for you yet for it. You know,
Speaker 1: the weird mermaid creature and all kinds of you know,
Speaker 1: we don't even know what's down in the ocean, what
Speaker 1: kind of things.
Speaker 4: It's a very strange world. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of weird stuff out there. Michael. I really appreciate you
Speaker 4: coming on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no worries. I know, min retibably pretty quick. But
Speaker 1: like I said, they're kind of fuzzy old memories and
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of just like I said,
Speaker 1: just the facts.
Speaker 3: And the details of what I saw.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of extra story to give.
Speaker 4: So no, it's fine, Okay, take take care, all right, buddy,
Speaker 4: all right, take care, keep in contact, all.
Speaker 1: Right, I will, all right, Nick, good luck, Bye.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Michael. That's all for this episode. Keep updated
Speaker 4: and connected with the show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram,
Speaker 4: And if you have an encounter that you'd like to
Speaker 4: share on the podcast, you can email me at ufo
Speaker 4: Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can reach out
Speaker 4: to me via the contact page on my website, ufo
Speaker 4: Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to David
Speaker 4: and Michael for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening.
Speaker 4: I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
Speaker 4: and keep watching the skies. Goodbye to