Speaker 1: Something's going to happen?
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 3: I welcome to the occult Rejects. We have a fantastic
Speaker 3: show planned for you. But before we get to the
Speaker 3: guest of honor, let's go around the room, go around
Speaker 3: the panel and introduce each other. We'll start with the
Speaker 3: Mad Scientists in the corner. Lisa, how are you.
Speaker 4: I'm doing well, Thank you, Tim. I'm very excited to
Speaker 4: be here, looking forward to simple studies marios always giving
Speaker 4: like knowledge to fill your brain, to go on and
Speaker 4: wonder to more. I'd like to plug the Quote Researchest
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Speaker 4: especially Ethan has contributed, some jen is considered read some
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Jim the Ninja, how are you, sir?
Speaker 1: Hey Tim, what's up? So great to see you. Great
Speaker 1: job about this. It's I think it's hilarious that makes
Speaker 1: people do this. I've done it once before, so I
Speaker 1: feel you. So I'm gonna plug. Obviously, my show, which
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Speaker 1: next month, literally two a week, maybe three so pactful
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Speaker 1: Count at threshold sins and thank you to the panel
Speaker 1: of course, Mario, who's also been super supportive of the
Speaker 1: Great Lodge and the spaces, so of course I have
Speaker 1: to pay homage. Thank you so much. And thank you
Speaker 1: Nick of course for inviting me.
Speaker 3: Of course, and of course we have Nick.
Speaker 5: I don't know, yeah, thanks for going Nick, good, Thanks
Speaker 5: thanks for coming on. My voice is still shot, which
Speaker 5: is why I have you doing the intro kind of too,
Speaker 5: but that is an idea. I think I'm going to
Speaker 5: start just making everybody doing the intros. I mean, we're
Speaker 5: all part of the show, right and why not. So
Speaker 5: thank you very much for doing the intro. I really
Speaker 5: appreciate you always coming on, Tim, and you know, Mario,
Speaker 5: it's always amazing to have you on the show. I
Speaker 5: always appreciate it. It's always you know, magic, so uh yeah,
Speaker 5: the occult rechecks check us out.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, Tyrone. What's up? Man?
Speaker 6: Welcome, Thank you for letting me come here. I appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Uh you know, it's always been great to be here
Speaker 6: with you guys. You can find everything about me on
Speaker 6: rebirth oftheword dot com. Everything anything from my YouTube channel
Speaker 6: to my Spotify to just reading articles you'll find on there.
Speaker 7: Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Headless Giant, what's up?
Speaker 8: How's going? Everybody? You can find me on x at
Speaker 8: the Headless Giant and on Twitter at the Headless Giant.
Speaker 8: And if you have any sort of paranormal slash weird
Speaker 8: dream stories, you can send them to my email at
Speaker 8: the Headless Giant podcast at gmail dot com and we
Speaker 8: will read those out on Thursdays. So check that out.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, check that out.
Speaker 3: And we have Ethan Indigo Ethan, what's up.
Speaker 9: Honored to be here with you guys. Thanks for the involvement, Tim,
Speaker 9: great job as at mc MARI. I'm really excited about
Speaker 9: this and for your interpretations and sharing your knowledge and
Speaker 9: what a controversial subject is and Headless and Ricardo and
Speaker 9: I have been doing a little podcast on Sundays. People
Speaker 9: have been getting giving positive feedback about otherwise. I'm a
Speaker 9: writer on the esoteric and the exoteric Evan and Yeah,
Speaker 9: I just enjoy sharing ideas with everyone.
Speaker 8: Thanks Sunday Mornings trialogus.
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to ask about. Cool and
Speaker 3: I am Tim Constantine my show with sixth Sensory Podcast
Speaker 3: as always, happy to be here. I'm happy to kind
Speaker 3: of introduce everyone. That's awesome, thanks for asking me and
Speaker 3: to our guest here, the main attraction Mario from Symbolic Studies.
Speaker 10: How are you, hey, Tim, I'm pretty good man. Thanks
Speaker 10: for the intro and thank you for the invite Nick
Speaker 10: and setting this up. Of course, really excited to dive
Speaker 10: into all of this material with you. It is indeed controversial.
Speaker 10: So as I was writing my notes and kind of
Speaker 10: figuring out I want to talk about, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 10: how am I going to talk about some of this stuff?
Speaker 10: But I think I have a game plan and we'll
Speaker 10: plow through as a team here. But I people aren't
Speaker 10: familiar with my work, they can check out Symbolic Studies
Speaker 10: dot com. I'm all over the place, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter
Speaker 10: things like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I'll jump in here and comment
Speaker 3: on that controversial element to this work. I know what
Speaker 3: you're talking about, but I do want to say from
Speaker 3: my perspective, you know, we're over here, we're kind of
Speaker 3: isolated in our isolationist culture in the West, and when
Speaker 3: we hear the term Arian and stuff like that, we
Speaker 3: automatically think many of us think about like movies like
Speaker 3: American History X, and we think about skinhead guys and
Speaker 3: neo Nazis, et cetera. But that Arian term, in my research,
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with any of that, and it
Speaker 3: comes from like the Magi priests, class Zoroastrian, Iranian stuff.
Speaker 3: And I'll let Mario Brook all that down, but just
Speaker 3: want to get jump in there and say that at like,
Speaker 3: let's just open our minds for this one to night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, Yeah, right on exactly.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I mean, I'm really glad you said that,
Speaker 10: because I have here written in my notes somewhere that
Speaker 10: the symbolism, the deep core symbolism that I want to
Speaker 10: talk about, has nothing to do with Hitler, has nothing
Speaker 10: to do with World War Two. It completely predates all
Speaker 10: of that stuff, right, and so that is obviously part
Speaker 10: of the conversation here. The word arian is very interesting,
Speaker 10: and so there's a lot of things here that I
Speaker 10: want to discuss that completely predate anything that has happened
Speaker 10: over the last you know, one hundred and two hundred years.
Speaker 10: So that's a great, you know thing, just to point
Speaker 10: out right off the bat.
Speaker 2: So one of the.
Speaker 10: Things I think the show has actually started because Nick
Speaker 10: was interviewing somebody. There was some conversation. Maybe you guys
Speaker 10: remember at some point, but I know that World War
Speaker 10: two came up, and I believe either the Swasaka came up,
Speaker 10: Hiller came up, something along these lines. And I just
Speaker 10: commented in the chat I was really digging the show
Speaker 10: that that's a whole episode we could talk about this symbolically, right,
Speaker 10: And so Nick invited me on. And one of the
Speaker 10: things for me that I've always wanted to contribute to
Speaker 10: this conversation, and there's authors who have certainly done this before,
Speaker 10: is talk about the polar symbolism associated with the Nazi Party,
Speaker 10: And to me, it feels as much it feels as
Speaker 10: though there was a strategic campaign to include this symbolism,
Speaker 10: to drag it through the mud essentially because it is powerful,
Speaker 10: powerful stuff. The swastika, just as an example, is such
Speaker 10: a primordial, important symbol.
Speaker 2: Some people say it's universal.
Speaker 10: It's damn near universal from what I can gather as well,
Speaker 10: So many cultures you can find examples of the swastika.
Speaker 11: All over the world.
Speaker 10: So what does that mean and why would it be
Speaker 10: the perfect symbol to sort of tarnish or have a
Speaker 10: campaign against?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 10: So, if people have followed my work, one of the
Speaker 10: things I like to talk about is this great symbolic
Speaker 10: shift from polar to solar. Basically right and polar symbolism
Speaker 10: is very primordial, very ancient. It very much relates to
Speaker 10: the last Golden Age, right, it relates to things like
Speaker 10: the North Star, the northern sky, the world axis or
Speaker 10: axis moonde. And so because I've gotten really interested in
Speaker 10: that information, it's really been something that I promote heavily
Speaker 10: because I see that it unlocks a lot of transcendental truths,
Speaker 10: metaphysical truths. It really will take your symbolic awareness to
Speaker 10: the next level, in my opinion, So I feel like
Speaker 10: my early symbolic journey, you know, I hadn't yet come
Speaker 10: across that material, and so I felt like, you know,
Speaker 10: my sort of framework with symbolism, it just wasn't complete.
Speaker 10: I felt like I was lacking almost a foundation. And
Speaker 10: it wasn't until I found sacific authors that talked about
Speaker 10: some of this stuff did I feel like I really
Speaker 10: found something that was giving me, you know, structure essentially.
Speaker 10: And this is basically traditional symbolism, and so traditional symbolism
Speaker 10: to me, it really has a lot to do with
Speaker 10: unifying principles, unifying concepts, the concept related to the center
Speaker 10: and the idea that everything is expressed from the center
Speaker 10: and returns back to that same center, you know, ideas
Speaker 10: and concepts related to non duality, related to hierarchy and
Speaker 10: the center being the apex of a hierarchy. Right, And
Speaker 10: so this symbolism, according to traditional perennial authors, right, this
Speaker 10: is all pervasive because with this early tradition, this primordial tradition,
Speaker 10: it's been called, this is what precedes all other traditions.
Speaker 10: So all tradition sense basically are echo or fragments of
Speaker 10: that tradition. So you will see aspects of it all
Speaker 10: over the place, right, And there's so many basic symbols
Speaker 10: that go back to this as well. So the tree,
Speaker 10: the world, tree, right as an example, the mountain, the
Speaker 10: world mountain, you know, the stone, the pillar or pole
Speaker 10: or post. That's going to be a huge one for
Speaker 10: today basically is discussing.
Speaker 2: All of that.
Speaker 10: And what I found is that this symbolism has been
Speaker 10: demonized in the modern world, thanks in part to things
Speaker 10: like World War One and World War Two and the affiliations, right,
Speaker 10: the people associated with it, and the you know, just
Speaker 10: the different sort of historical things associated with it. So
Speaker 10: to me this is very interesting as well because I'm
Speaker 10: starting to see and I'm sure you guys have noticed this,
Speaker 10: and this has become kind of like a talking point
Speaker 10: among some people, is that sort of the programming from
Speaker 10: these world wars is in some ways starting to break
Speaker 10: down for a lot of people. Yeah, or at the
Speaker 10: very least it's starting to shift, right, And so people
Speaker 10: are starting like Kanye West as an example, right, you know,
Speaker 10: he's using the swastika. He has chains, swastika chains and
Speaker 10: shirts and all this stuff. And so I'm not saying
Speaker 10: that's necessarily a positive thing or negative thing.
Speaker 2: It just it just is what it is.
Speaker 10: It's things are being sort of reshaped and retoold right now.
Speaker 10: But this cultural breakdown is definitely part of the conversation.
Speaker 10: And you can't keep something like the swastika contained and
Speaker 10: suppressed for that long.
Speaker 2: Its power is too great.
Speaker 10: It's existed for such a long time that it's going
Speaker 10: to be known and it's going to be sort of understood.
Speaker 5: So you know, Mariel, real quick, I just wanted to say,
Speaker 5: I think I've said it before. I think that is
Speaker 5: actually one of the more it's not calling the guy
Speaker 5: a gangster, but the fact that he took that symbol
Speaker 5: and fucked it off, that's a real magical I mean,
Speaker 5: that's just fucking that's crazy.
Speaker 2: You know, like that, that he had that power totally.
Speaker 8: I'd like to throw in just one thing. It seemed
Speaker 8: like it was forgotten for a long time in the
Speaker 8: West before he kind of revived it, because you see,
Speaker 8: before you know, the rise of Hitler and the Nazis,
Speaker 8: there was no real conception or popular consciousness around the
Speaker 8: swastika anymore. It had been a long sort of dormant
Speaker 8: symbol in that part of Europe for a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if you want, at some point, if you
Speaker 3: don't break down the Swaska, I can break down how
Speaker 3: the Nazis got a hold of that if you want
Speaker 3: at some point. And I just wanted to comment on
Speaker 3: the Saska in general because I went out on a
Speaker 3: limb there in the intro and brought up that term area,
Speaker 3: and I just had a feeling we were want to
Speaker 3: talk about that. But what I was thinking when I
Speaker 3: used the term area and I was definitely thinking about
Speaker 3: the swastika.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: I don't know how far back it goes. You probably
Speaker 3: know more about that in I, but I've read that
Speaker 3: it goes back to the at least goes back to
Speaker 3: the ancient Zoroastrian cults of Iran, and that's why in
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty five Iran actually changed their name to Iran,
Speaker 3: which means Rian, because they were trying to reconnect with
Speaker 3: those Aryan roots. But you go back to like King
Speaker 3: Darius of the old Persian Empire, and on his tomb
Speaker 3: it says son of a Persian, son of Aryan race,
Speaker 3: and all these guys were using that swastika. So I'm
Speaker 3: interested in how far it goes back.
Speaker 8: There's only two there's only two current states in the
Speaker 8: world that use Aryan as the root for the name
Speaker 8: of their country. That would be Iran. And who can
Speaker 8: guess the other one Ireland? Oh oh yeah, they ran
Speaker 8: in Ireland.
Speaker 2: Right right? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 10: The way I see it is that, like I said before,
Speaker 10: like this concept of a center being the point of
Speaker 10: expression and also return right, this is really this is
Speaker 10: the basis of my metaphysical understanding of all things basically,
Speaker 10: and so it permeates everything. Nothing can sort of escape
Speaker 10: this concept in my opinion, from what I've gathered now,
Speaker 10: and what I've noticed is a lot of words that
Speaker 10: are r ar ir as headless just mentioned with Ireland
Speaker 10: and er all go back to a northern primordial kind
Speaker 10: of original dynamic pretty much. So like one of the
Speaker 10: things the Arctic right ar right, King Arthur, he's like
Speaker 10: a northern king ersa major right, a northern constellation, which
Speaker 10: is very much related to the Swasika. So humanity almost
Speaker 10: across the board when you dig deep enough into the
Speaker 10: esoteric symbolism, it seems as though so many cultures have
Speaker 10: this concept of a northern origin story.
Speaker 2: And actually it's interesting. I have a book here called
Speaker 2: The Arctic Home in the Vedas.
Speaker 10: I'll tell yep exactly so the Arctic Home in the Vedas, right,
Speaker 10: and so just the first sentence here the idea of
Speaker 10: a lost ancient civilization located at the north pole right.
Speaker 10: And so when I was in India, I was in
Speaker 10: India a little over ten years ago, and there was
Speaker 10: one small town. I don't know, I can't even remember
Speaker 10: the town anymore, but you know, there was lots of taxis.
Speaker 2: I've told this story before, so if you've heard it,
Speaker 2: my apologies.
Speaker 10: But there was lots of little taxis around and walking
Speaker 10: around waiting for a taxi or finding where we're we're
Speaker 10: going to go. It was really interesting to see that
Speaker 10: a lot of these taxis had gigantic bold red stickers
Speaker 10: on them and they all said Riyan and they all
Speaker 10: had a red swastika right next to it. And then
Speaker 10: the little bookstore outside for tourists had minekomf there.
Speaker 2: And so that was a revelation for me at the time,
Speaker 2: where I'm like, whoa mine comp is right here?
Speaker 10: And then all of these people are claiming this aryan
Speaker 10: thing with the swastika, you know, because this idea of
Speaker 10: our homeland being in Hyperborea or Paradise or the original
Speaker 10: garden vied, and you know, it's so ancient that I
Speaker 10: don't think we can really escape it. I think it
Speaker 10: goes through waves in ways where people sort of rediscover it,
Speaker 10: have this kind of identification with it.
Speaker 2: Right, But it just goes back to what I was saying.
Speaker 10: Emanation from the center also returned back from the same center,
Speaker 10: and so humanity had this sort of origin story.
Speaker 2: All of humanity. In my opinion, it's kind of no different.
Speaker 10: I've been thinking a lot about antennas, and just like
Speaker 10: a simple pole emitting a signal, right, it emits from
Speaker 10: the middle and it expands outward. It's not unlike a ripple, Right,
Speaker 10: you throw a pebble in a pond, it ripples out
Speaker 10: from the center, right, And so the signal is strongest
Speaker 10: the closest it is to that pole, and then it
Speaker 10: gets weaker and weaker and weaker. Right, And so humanity,
Speaker 10: in my opinion, has had this fall from grace from
Speaker 10: this center and sort of the further we've either literally
Speaker 10: physically migrated away. I've been thinking a lot about nomadic
Speaker 10: symbolism and how that's the root for all humans. Basically
Speaker 10: is this perpetual travel. And when you're thinking about that,
Speaker 10: by the way, according to what I've looked into, the
Speaker 10: vast majority of nomadic migrations are from south to north
Speaker 10: and then back again, not east to west, right, So
Speaker 10: you're literally going to the north. So it's almost like
Speaker 10: a symbolic pilgrimage basically in many ways, right, and so
Speaker 10: so humanity seemingly has migrated away from the north, and
Speaker 10: I think this is encoded in a lot of different
Speaker 10: storylines as well.
Speaker 8: Right, go ahead, Yeah, I was going to say that
Speaker 8: there's something about the northern symbolism that is so intrinsic
Speaker 8: to all of these stories that really doesn't get tension.
Speaker 8: If you go back to the Greeks, they talk about
Speaker 8: the separation of Udernos, the sky from the earth, and
Speaker 8: they talk about castrating the pole. Right, So the pole
Speaker 8: is that symbol that separates the sky from the earth,
Speaker 8: and that would be at the northernmost climbs, right, So
Speaker 8: this is where the original sky came away from the earth.
Speaker 8: And so that's that's sort of like invisible pole is
Speaker 8: sort of present and that symbolism as well.
Speaker 6: If I may, If I may, When you were talking
Speaker 6: about India, I went back and brought up one of
Speaker 6: the daily mythology drops that I put on my x
Speaker 6: account every now and then every single day, I do a.
Speaker 7: Daily mythology drop and one of them was the swatsika.
Speaker 6: And I learned that in Hinduism, the swasika represents sir Yah.
Speaker 6: I guess that's how you say s u r Ya,
Speaker 6: which is the Sun god, which is a prosperity and
Speaker 6: good fortune. So, uh, you know, we had it at
Speaker 6: one time a good thing, and then you know, most
Speaker 6: people know it as the negative connotion as it is
Speaker 6: today with the Nazism and so on and so forth.
Speaker 7: But it's it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Oh go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 9: No, I was just gonna say to back that up,
Speaker 9: the one of the world's oldest religions is Jainism, related
Speaker 9: to Hindus, and it is first and foremost in there.
Speaker 9: Every book must have a swastika in the beginning page,
Speaker 9: and then every temple entrance there.
Speaker 8: Must be a swastika as well.
Speaker 7: Did I did I come through clearly?
Speaker 11: Oh? Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 7: And it's it's it's interesting because oh oh yeah, I
Speaker 7: finish off.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, go sorry, sorry, I'm I'm I'm delaying.
Speaker 1: I apologize you guys.
Speaker 9: And also it really has and maybe Jim might be
Speaker 9: able to build on this better than I don't mean
Speaker 9: to put you on the spot. But it also really
Speaker 9: has the center point. As you point out, it has
Speaker 9: two lines intersecting with results in the four corners, which
Speaker 9: results in the four directions and four corners of this
Speaker 9: mandala like formation that it kind of illustrates and related
Speaker 9: to the sun and so forth, and seasonal changes as
Speaker 9: you point out, right right right.
Speaker 1: That's sorry. I'm just going to jump in really quick
Speaker 1: after Ethan just because he brought us. Something really interesting
Speaker 1: about Jainism is that Jaans do have a deep contric
Speaker 1: system as well. They also have a lot in common
Speaker 1: with certain Temple of Set ideas in terms of self
Speaker 1: belief and like self apotheosis. That is also part of Jainism.
Speaker 1: And it's in general considered to be one of the
Speaker 1: wealthiest diasporas religions in the world. And they also control
Speaker 1: a big part of the diamond trade, so and they
Speaker 1: also control all religious iconography iconographical publishing of Indian deities
Speaker 1: ad hoc. So especially in the seventies, like when people
Speaker 1: think of Hinduism, they think of those like shiny lithographs
Speaker 1: with like holograms. Those were all done by Jane publishing companies.
Speaker 1: So it was Jane's who kind of incorporated the if
Speaker 1: you want to call it couplistic, sort of coloring elements
Speaker 1: of the gods and the goddesses. So there's something really
Speaker 1: interesting with Jainism and what everybody's saying there is kind
Speaker 1: of something very primordial, very old, and a lot of
Speaker 1: the ideas both intra Buddhism particularly, but also in modern magic,
Speaker 1: like the idea of SkyFlying or sky dancing, like the
Speaker 1: dig Embara Janes, the you know they would go skyclad.
Speaker 1: That's the word I was looking for. I'm sorry, so
Speaker 1: like Wickens use that word like skyclad, and obviously that
Speaker 1: comes from Jainism. It's a kind of a corruption of
Speaker 1: the idea. But you know, there's a lot of tontric
Speaker 1: ideas I think in modern times.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 6: Someone jumping here real, okay, because this is interesting because
Speaker 6: I had already put up my mythology drop, so I
Speaker 6: did India already and talked about how it was related
Speaker 6: to the Sun guy and Jainism is actually under there.
Speaker 6: I highlighted it stands for the seventh Saint, super Chavanta.
Speaker 8: So this is why I want to give people idea.
Speaker 7: So when I do these daily mythology drops.
Speaker 6: I usually take lots of my books, and I usually
Speaker 6: I have a lot of tabs on my books that
Speaker 6: I take information from, So that way is not my opinion,
Speaker 6: my theory, or my idea. I'm actually taking it from
Speaker 6: different texts and I'm trying to put it into a
Speaker 6: consolidated format so everybody can get the basic gist of
Speaker 6: what is basically been saying.
Speaker 7: So that's why I created that.
Speaker 6: And it's funny that y'all was mentioning geniism because in
Speaker 6: prehistoric Europe, the swasika appears on pottery, roomstones and textiles. Now,
Speaker 6: I also went in back with somebody who was saying
Speaker 6: about the I think in the comments, somebody was saying
Speaker 6: something about the oldest swasika could be fined in Ukraine.
Speaker 6: And I actually found two websites that I like to
Speaker 6: go to that actually brings that up.
Speaker 7: And here I bring it up if Nick can bring
Speaker 7: it up real quick.
Speaker 6: But it does go back to twelve thousand years and
Speaker 6: it gives you a history of it on Ancient Ancient
Speaker 6: dash origins dot net. Now there's other websites that I
Speaker 6: went to that said the same thing, but this was
Speaker 6: you know, this one gave you a good breakdown and
Speaker 6: you can listen to, you know, the little article that
Speaker 6: they have on there, and it literally gives you, you know,
Speaker 6: the different ways how the Druids did the swatsika at
Speaker 6: one time.
Speaker 7: They give you the in the twelve thousand your symbolism.
Speaker 6: It gives you a little idea of I guess it's
Speaker 6: found on some kind of uncovered and Missine Ukraine carved
Speaker 6: on the ivory figurine, which dates back in incredible twelve
Speaker 6: thousand years. One of the earliest cultures that are known
Speaker 6: to have used the swatsika was a Neolithic culture in
Speaker 6: southern Europe in the area that is now Serbia, Croatia,
Speaker 6: Posnia and her Ziggovina, known as the Vinka culture, which
Speaker 6: days back around eight thousand years ago. So, I mean,
Speaker 6: that's pretty interesting that somebody put that in the comments
Speaker 6: because I wanted immediately to look at it. So we
Speaker 6: going back at least twelve thousand years with this information. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so miss you know what, I'm sorry, sorry, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 6: The other thing is I wanted to say, it's just
Speaker 6: like with mythologies. You see how one myth was told
Speaker 6: in a traditional oral story twelve thousand years ago and
Speaker 6: now we have the Holy Bible that everybody believes in today.
Speaker 6: It's the same thing with this is that they took
Speaker 6: the Swazika and meant one thing back then, the Sun God.
Speaker 7: I actually wrote an article on it.
Speaker 6: The first representation of a god is a son because
Speaker 6: of the agriculture of needs and everything else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm trying to swing it around and take
Speaker 3: it back to Tomrio here. But I do want to say, like,
Speaker 3: if you look at some where we're talking about empire
Speaker 3: lineage here, I think, and you know, you guys talked
Speaker 3: about the Hindus, and if you look at the Brahma,
Speaker 3: some of the Brahma families, it came from the Caucacious Mountains.
Speaker 3: There's DNA tests to prove that, as did the Scythians
Speaker 3: and the Ukraine people come out of there. So if
Speaker 3: you go back, you've got I want to go back
Speaker 3: to this er your you are ir ar thing that
Speaker 3: Mario broke down, that goes back to a civilization in
Speaker 3: the north. Well, you've got er the Kalds, which was
Speaker 3: an ancient city. You've got Uric, you know, the city
Speaker 3: of Gilgamege. So if you look at that, you've got
Speaker 3: before Babylon. There were the Kaladeans before them. I would
Speaker 3: argue Samarans before them, Arians before that, Atlanteans. Question mark,
Speaker 3: are you know what I'm saying? Like, are we going
Speaker 3: back Mario to to an actual civilization of in the north.
Speaker 10: It seems as though there's something to that. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 10: you know, I look at this place more like a field, right,
Speaker 10: and so it's like a tourist field. So I kind
Speaker 10: of see it that we're existing on a plane perhaps
Speaker 10: within literally this torus field dynamic, right. And so the
Speaker 10: torus field is another example of this emanation from the
Speaker 10: center and return back to that same center. And so
Speaker 10: it seems as though all things come from a center
Speaker 10: of some sort. A tree, as an example, emanates from
Speaker 10: a seed, right, And so the north is symbolic of
Speaker 10: this exact same center. And so northern symbolism, polar symbolism,
Speaker 10: axial symbolism, traditional primordial symbolism, it's very much all the
Speaker 10: same thing, in my opinion, And like the pre imminent
Speaker 10: sort of symbol we have of this in the heavens
Speaker 10: at least would be in my opinion, the North star,
Speaker 10: the pole star, because this is really where this they
Speaker 10: refer to it as the world axis, as I've already mentioned,
Speaker 10: but you can refer to it as like the interstellar
Speaker 10: axis as well. It's literally this symbolic cosmic pole that
Speaker 10: exists between all realms above and below basically right, So
Speaker 10: from the North Pole to the North Star, aka the
Speaker 10: Pole Star. It's called the pole star for a reason.
Speaker 10: And so all of the fixed stars go around the
Speaker 10: pole star, right, including the stars of the zodiac. And
Speaker 10: I'd like to segue just briefly to this idea of
Speaker 10: the sun. In my opinion, what I've learned in traditional
Speaker 10: symbolism the sun, solar symbolism is actually subordinate and younger
Speaker 10: than polar symbolism. So that's a really important distinction, that
Speaker 10: solar symbolism is more of a modern thing actually in
Speaker 10: the grand sort of scheme of things, basically right. And
Speaker 10: so I actually have some quotes about that, and this
Speaker 10: relates back to the swastika, by the way, and I
Speaker 10: do have some slides that we should share with the
Speaker 10: Swaska in just a minute. But before that, you know,
Speaker 10: I have a pretty good symbolic library, and so I've
Speaker 10: been collecting symbolic dictionaries from like two thousand and six
Speaker 10: or seven, and I've just been buying up everything that
Speaker 10: I can see whatever. So I have all of these
Speaker 10: different books, I can look up the sun in like,
Speaker 10: you know, dozens of different books and I have. I've
Speaker 10: done stuff like that. That's how I get a lot
Speaker 10: of my research personally. And what I've noticed is that
Speaker 10: a lot of newer books associate the swastika with solar symbolism,
Speaker 10: and to be honest with you, that never sat well
Speaker 10: with me. It just never made sense personally. Well, that
Speaker 10: was before I knew that there was this great shift
Speaker 10: from polar to solar. So there were solar there are
Speaker 10: solar deities that were once known as being polar deities.
Speaker 10: You'll actually find that a lot of solar sun gods
Speaker 10: actually have a relationship with the North Pole or Hyperborea.
Speaker 2: You know that their origin story is somewhere in the
Speaker 2: north right. And so there are a lot of deities
Speaker 2: from ancient.
Speaker 10: Cultures that were actually polar in nature, but modern people
Speaker 10: basically misinterpreted the symbolism and put a solar sort of dynamic.
Speaker 10: So it wasn't until I found higher quality authors did
Speaker 10: I start reading about the true origins of the swastika.
Speaker 10: Actually being a polar symbol, not a solar symbol. Polar
Speaker 10: or solar symbolism comes from polar symbolism. So the Sun
Speaker 10: symbolically is also a pole, believe it or not, and
Speaker 10: so on. Modern versions of the sun card as an example,
Speaker 10: in the tarot, oftentimes, like in the right way, you
Speaker 10: will see a young boy holding a huge pole with
Speaker 10: a flag on it, because the Sun has become the
Speaker 10: symbolic pole for a lot of people. It's become you know,
Speaker 10: if you're a heliocentrist, you're basically saying that the Sun
Speaker 10: is the center, the Sun is the point of pivot.
Speaker 10: So symbolically, the Sun itself also has polar symbolism associated
Speaker 10: to it with it. So again, polar symbolism is at
Speaker 10: the apex of the hierarchy. Solar symbolism came afterwards and
Speaker 10: is more subordinate. There was a time before solar worship.
Speaker 10: There was a time before the sun had all everyone's focus.
Speaker 10: Basically is what I'm trying to say, And there's so
Speaker 10: many examples of this, but one of the things I'll
Speaker 10: say about axis symbolism and pole symbolism, it is the
Speaker 10: bridge between heaven and Earth, right, and so we also
Speaker 10: are axis symbols. We operate as a bridge between heaven
Speaker 10: and Earth. This has been referred to as the Great Triad,
Speaker 10: that there's a triune relationship between Heaven.
Speaker 2: Earth and man. We are that symbolic bridge, as is
Speaker 2: a tree, as is a lot of things.
Speaker 10: A pillar, you know, the pillar or a pillar in
Speaker 10: a building, symbolically separates heaven and Earth, right, and so
Speaker 10: it separates and it connects. This is what you'll see
Speaker 10: in the Magician card. The magician holds up a wand
Speaker 10: phallic symbolism is polar symbolism, is world access symbolism as well,
Speaker 10: holding up that wand to the heavens, and then he's
Speaker 10: pointing his other hand down to the ground as above,
Speaker 10: so below he's basically saying, I connect Heaven on Earth
Speaker 10: and I also separate Heaven on Earth.
Speaker 2: It's the same dynamic, right, this world axis and Maria
Speaker 2: really go for it.
Speaker 8: Have you heard of the Path of Soul's religion talked
Speaker 8: about by a lot of noun documentors in North America?
Speaker 2: No Half of Souls.
Speaker 8: It refers to this northern symbolism as the way out, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 8: So this is what you get in Egypt too, And
Speaker 8: so the idea is it's a transference of how you
Speaker 8: get out of this realm from the polar being the
Speaker 8: northern you know, climbs to being the sun.
Speaker 2: M hm right, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: The idea that there's an actual spot in the north
Speaker 3: where you can descend through the the atmosphere or something
Speaker 3: it aligns with the North Star. Perhaps.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's referred to the most common way to refer
Speaker 10: to it as the stairway to Heaven. Yeah, exactly, So
Speaker 10: the stairway to heaven exactly. So this is the opening
Speaker 10: in the cave. That's another sort of way of looking
Speaker 10: at it. In royal arch freemasonry, it's the keystone, right,
Speaker 10: so the keystone is removed and so yeah, exactly. So,
Speaker 10: you know, in my opinion, the North Star there's debate
Speaker 10: whether or not the North Star shifts or doesn't shift.
Speaker 10: Some people now are convinced that it's never shifted and
Speaker 10: it's always been the same. If it shifts or doesn't shift,
Speaker 10: it almost doesn't matter if it shifts. However, what I've
Speaker 10: learned is that some people say that it's actually a title,
Speaker 10: that the Pole Star is more so a title almost
Speaker 10: like a king. The king receives the title and receives
Speaker 10: the throne, but it's not the same king perpetually, right,
Speaker 10: And so the North Star is almost like a role
Speaker 10: that's always been fulfilled by the star closest to that
Speaker 10: axial spin right of the fixed stars going around that
Speaker 10: point of pivot. And so when you really dive deep
Speaker 10: into world axis symbolism, like if you look at the
Speaker 10: name is escaping me now. But there's different myths about
Speaker 10: the primordial universe being in chaos and that all of
Speaker 10: the elements were basically fused together and it wasn't until
Speaker 10: the world Axis came to be was there actually separation
Speaker 10: between heaven and Earth. So then actually they became or
Speaker 10: there now was space for things to grow and you
Speaker 10: know whatever mix and divide and all that.
Speaker 2: Kind of stuff.
Speaker 10: Right Ovid's metamorphoses, there's one of the first places it's
Speaker 10: called the chaos.
Speaker 2: That's basically what the chaos is all about.
Speaker 10: Everything amalgamated sort of together in this heap until the
Speaker 10: world Axis brought structure and brought order. This chaos is
Speaker 10: also related to the full card. The Full always has
Speaker 10: a bag with him, generally at the end of a pole.
Speaker 10: The poll is so significant with the full card. And
Speaker 10: it's been said that there's the elements in that bag,
Speaker 10: but everything was mixed together. So in the full card
Speaker 10: you have chaos, and then that's followed by the Magician card,
Speaker 10: which is order. So then you actually have the elements
Speaker 10: displayed on the table, organized on the table right in
Speaker 10: front of the magician.
Speaker 2: So order out of chaos. Right.
Speaker 10: The world axis brings order because it brings a point
Speaker 10: of pivot. So let me just finish this thought real quick.
Speaker 10: So all leaders symbolically represent the axis. Right, the leader
Speaker 10: of any organization represents the poll, the points of pivot
Speaker 10: for that organization. Right, you're giving orientation to your people,
Speaker 10: That's what it represents. I did a breakdown like two
Speaker 10: months ago on my channel called Death and Taurus, and
Speaker 10: it was about the passing of the pope and the
Speaker 10: ushering in of this new pope, and I broke down
Speaker 10: all the symbolism about how the pope is a symbolic
Speaker 10: axis or he's a symbolic poll. Right, And so if
Speaker 10: it's the point of orientation, if it's the point of pivot,
Speaker 10: if it's what you look towards for guidance, right, spiritual
Speaker 10: guidance and whatnot, it all makes sense in my opinion.
Speaker 10: So if the pope is traveling, you know, in a vehicle,
Speaker 10: everyone's eyes go towards the pope because he's a walking
Speaker 10: mobile axis basically. And there's even some traditions, like my
Speaker 10: understanding is an Islam, a mom actually has a relationship
Speaker 10: with pole itself, like with axis, right. And there's actually
Speaker 10: a lot of polar symbolism in esoteric Islam and in Sufism,
Speaker 10: which I think is super super interesting and fascinating.
Speaker 8: Even in mainstream Islam they're making the somnambulations around the
Speaker 8: Central Mountain, right, So there's a lot of polar symbol
Speaker 8: in all of it, but it's it's kind of pars unless.
Speaker 3: You know it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1: So well let me just say one thing, sorry Mario,
Speaker 1: about what Headless just said, because the sort of expression
Speaker 1: of it in Islam is actually understandable from a contract perspective.
Speaker 1: The black cube is that of Rahu. It's very clear
Speaker 1: in the Grida Prana that that is the stone of Rahu.
Speaker 1: It also has the seven yonis in case in silver.
Speaker 1: This is also a part of the Yoginei tntras, so
Speaker 1: that that it's not polar. What the Islam is actually
Speaker 1: referring to it's actually solar. It's solar mixed with attorney,
Speaker 1: and it's both of those sort of in dialectical relationship.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to say that. Sorry, Mario makes
Speaker 1: the age.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 6: I ask you a question, Mario, have you read Albert
Speaker 6: Church words, signs and symbols, because everything that you're talking
Speaker 6: about I literally.
Speaker 7: Learned in this book right here. No, I haven't read
Speaker 7: that yet. I actually think I do have it though.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: It actually am on page one.
Speaker 6: Eighty seven, which is funny at one eighty seven, and
Speaker 6: you know the murder and all this other stuff, how
Speaker 6: the murder nutbers used.
Speaker 7: But literally, that's why I brought it up, right.
Speaker 6: But it literally says, and I'll read it out, it
Speaker 6: says that this sign of the swartzika was found in
Speaker 6: Britain three thousand between BC until three hundred and eighty.
Speaker 7: Will proved pretty conclusively.
Speaker 6: That the time of the exodus of the Druids from
Speaker 6: Egypt was at the time they had the swartzika, after
Speaker 6: they have converted this from the figures up the four quarters,
Speaker 6: and before they had changed the same into the out
Speaker 6: cross by evolution, probably more than twenty thousand years ago.
Speaker 6: If Flinders Petre is right in his dates as to
Speaker 6: recent his discoveries at Abodolts, then it goes on and
Speaker 6: it says, thus we see how one from the cross
Speaker 6: now used amongst the Christians. So he's saying that originated
Speaker 6: directed from the sacred symbol of the Swartzika. So the
Speaker 6: cross and the Swanzika have a relationship. And I'm literally
Speaker 6: it's right here if anybody wants to read it for themselves.
Speaker 9: That book says that, man, I say something that's blowing
Speaker 9: my mind, and I hope you guys find it valuable
Speaker 9: to a relationship between Maria, what you're presenting and something
Speaker 9: I've been thinking about from Buddhist teaching and firstly, though
Speaker 9: more primarily the Heaven, Earth and Man symbolism I think
Speaker 9: is very much in the great Initiator that is Thoth
Speaker 9: or Hermes Trismegistus, and this is what he has mastered,
Speaker 9: these three levels of being, and in many different cultural
Speaker 9: kind of self development systems we can find that orientation
Speaker 9: of this trinity.
Speaker 2: But something that blew my mind is.
Speaker 9: What you were talking about, how the North and the
Speaker 9: Pole is seen as the way to ascend and rise
Speaker 9: up and rise out. What I'm always thinking about the
Speaker 9: exoteric or the primary teaching, whether it's an esoteric teaching regardless,
Speaker 9: but the esoteric aspect of a pole in relation to
Speaker 9: this rising out of a cave and rising up, well,
Speaker 9: that's a tube. And there's a Buddhist teaching that says
Speaker 9: you're kind of stuck in a tube and you're going
Speaker 9: to be ascending or decent or maybe going back and forth,
Speaker 9: which I think in our average human development that we
Speaker 9: do go back and forth.
Speaker 8: He talked about. He said, you go to the north
Speaker 8: and then descend back.
Speaker 9: Down right, And in terms of self development, we want
Speaker 9: to ascend. Sometimes we go back and forth. Sometimes we
Speaker 9: don't know which way to go. And in fact, we
Speaker 9: start out as a tube. We don't start out as
Speaker 9: a heart. We start out as a digestion tube. And
Speaker 9: of course we come out of the great matrix and
Speaker 9: womb tube. So as you're describing the pole and that
Speaker 9: aspect of self development and rising up, I was thinking, oh, well,
Speaker 9: the esoteric aspect of the pole is the tube. Thank
Speaker 9: you for letting me share that. Yeah, if I may,
Speaker 9: if I may.
Speaker 6: When you was mentioning in the Pope, I actually This
Speaker 6: is a picture of my eighteen seventy three Bible. This
Speaker 6: is the oldest book that I own, is from eighteen
Speaker 6: seventy three in this condition. It's a really interesting book.
Speaker 6: I'm slowly going through it and sharing what I have
Speaker 6: on there. And it's interesting that you mentioned about the pope,
Speaker 6: because in my eighteen seventy three Bible, if I was
Speaker 6: at if I was born in that time frame and
Speaker 6: I wanted to go to a store to buy a Bible,
Speaker 6: this will probably be the Bible that I would buy, right.
Speaker 6: And it has the apocrypha in there, and it says Abadon,
Speaker 6: the Hebrew term for the destroyer of the Angel of
Speaker 6: the bottomless pit, whose name in Greek is Apollon, from
Speaker 6: their occurrence, and it tells you descriptions and the rabbits.
Speaker 6: But see this is what it says. It says some
Speaker 6: have applied the name to Satan exclusively. Others also applied
Speaker 6: to Mayama, others to the Pope of Rome.
Speaker 3: It's a polyon. It's well, I don't know how many
Speaker 3: rabbit holes we want to go down here. I don't
Speaker 3: even know if I want to go down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 3: But it's yeah, and it's you know, it's been conflated
Speaker 3: with Semyaza and Azazel and many of these other ancient
Speaker 3: you know, entities that sort of live and reside across
Speaker 3: multiple different panels. But so, Mario, you said that, like
Speaker 3: solar symbolism comes from polar symbolism.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: So what was going on in the sky then? Does
Speaker 3: that say something about the astrology of the ancient world
Speaker 3: where there were there multiple suns?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's a that's a great question.
Speaker 10: The way I'll present it, well, one, I have a
Speaker 10: presentation called the Rising Sun Esoteric Solar Symbolism. If people
Speaker 10: really want my full sort of take on that, definitely
Speaker 10: watch that presentation. I think it's one of my best,
Speaker 10: and I talk about how solar symbolism comes from polar
Speaker 10: symbolism essentially, and basically, the way I break it down
Speaker 10: is that there have been three, from what I gather,
Speaker 10: symbolic major skyclocks. In today's world. It's the path of
Speaker 10: the Sun, which is the ecliptic. So people are paying
Speaker 10: attention to the constellations around the ecliptic, right, So twelve
Speaker 10: or thirteen based on your system, and so prior to
Speaker 10: that or it almost seems as though there's like an
Speaker 10: intermediary phase. I'm still figuring out the ways in which
Speaker 10: to kind of word this, but undoubtedly people were looking
Speaker 10: towards and still do towards the moon as a time piece,
Speaker 10: a timekeeper, right, so the lunar skyclock, and a lot
Speaker 10: of religions still use the lunar calendar for their holy days.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 10: Well, from what I've gathered based on my research, according
Speaker 10: to some of these traditionalists and perennialists, the first skyclock,
Speaker 10: the most primordial skyclock, was actually the fixed stars going
Speaker 10: around the polestar. And so we're dealing with a stellar tradition, right,
Speaker 10: And so the fixed stars go around the polestar counter clockwise.
Speaker 10: And what I've mentioned before is that when we're dealing
Speaker 10: with rotation, just like with the Kabba cube, I brought
Speaker 10: it up on this channel before, But like circumambulation rituals
Speaker 10: going around a point of pivot, if the object is
Speaker 10: around or if you're revolving around an object and it's
Speaker 10: on your right hand side, that's a clockwise rotation. Symbolically
Speaker 10: a clockwise rotation just like the sun. The sun goes clockwise,
Speaker 10: just like our standard clock. The faces of a clock,
Speaker 10: because we're dealing with a solar tradition. In today's world
Speaker 10: with heliocentrism, a clockwise rotation is expansive and a counter
Speaker 10: clockwise rotation is actually contractive. It brings you closer to
Speaker 10: the center, It brings you closer to the point of emanation.
Speaker 10: Of all things, it brings you closer to the pole itself.
Speaker 10: A clock itself can even operate with that axis right
Speaker 10: there in the middle. It's as well no matter how
Speaker 10: if you're talking about new clocks or you're talking about
Speaker 10: old clocks. It's just you just need a poll, right,
Speaker 10: and then it's going to tell you the time based
Speaker 10: off of the shadow of the sun and everything.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, head listen.
Speaker 8: Victor Schauberger talks about those two different directions as being
Speaker 8: explosive versus implosive.
Speaker 2: For there you go.
Speaker 8: So the impluse so for us, is what creates zero
Speaker 8: point energy because it's constantly imploding upon itself like a tornado.
Speaker 8: This is the the secret of the polar symbolism is
Speaker 8: that is where you find that infinite energy point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I may, if I may interject really quickly,
Speaker 4: sorry about that.
Speaker 9: That.
Speaker 4: I think also in Tyron mentioned in a jarred of
Speaker 4: memory is that the universe creates in pairs, and so
Speaker 4: we constantly talk about polar symbolism. We talk about pole star, pullstar,
Speaker 4: coors star, and somewhere in the text it's always mentioning
Speaker 4: the cross. Yet no one remembers to, I guess, mention
Speaker 4: the Southern Cross, which is the Southern Pole. In that
Speaker 4: in the Northern hemisphere, because the countries have basically dictated
Speaker 4: and rolled over the most of the Earth, is that
Speaker 4: we concentrate mainly on the North Pole star as our
Speaker 4: navigation point, as you know, kind of directions. But in
Speaker 4: the Southern hemisphere they use the Southern Cross as their
Speaker 4: way of navigation the way that the Northern hemisphere uses
Speaker 4: the North Pole. And when you look at the Southern Cross,
Speaker 4: it pretty much looks like a cross. And so when
Speaker 4: you kind of look into occultism of what the cross is,
Speaker 4: you almost look at the cube cross, which is the
Speaker 4: test react, and the test react itself is basically transcending
Speaker 4: time and space to I guess you know, quantumly move
Speaker 4: within areas. So I just wanted to interject that that
Speaker 4: I thought that would be important to mention.
Speaker 10: Sure, and that's a whole conversation could be had about
Speaker 10: the Southern Hemisphere, Antarctica, the psyopy nature of some things
Speaker 10: that are going on there, the Nazi interests in Antarctica,
Speaker 10: the final experiment with the flat Earth community, and stuff
Speaker 10: like that going down there. So yeah, that's a whole conversation.
Speaker 8: Yes, the one thing every country on Earth agrees on
Speaker 8: is that nobody should go down there without their specific intrusion.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting to compel them to agree.
Speaker 11: Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 5: You know something I wanted I just wanted to add
Speaker 5: this in real quick. I've been wanting to say for
Speaker 5: a minute. It's it's just kind of minor. You're talking
Speaker 5: about like stars spinning around a pole. The may pole
Speaker 5: was actually a big thing to be taught to the
Speaker 5: SS kids, you know, so I do kind of think
Speaker 5: like that does look a little bit like spinning stuff.
Speaker 5: I'll even say there's been times I've wanted to use that,
Speaker 5: Like when we spoke about making that image. I've even
Speaker 5: thought of using a may pole as a way to
Speaker 5: explain it, like seeing all these things spiraling out of
Speaker 5: that eclipse. But you know, like if you looked under
Speaker 5: the maypole and watched it from the ground, it might
Speaker 5: look like that. So I've even wanted that type of
Speaker 5: ship for symbolism as well.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. There's a ton
Speaker 2: of traditions that go around a pole. The maypole is
Speaker 2: one of them.
Speaker 9: I know.
Speaker 2: In Voodoo there's another pole.
Speaker 10: It's called the peris still i think, and they look
Speaker 10: at it as like the navel of the universe basically, right,
Speaker 10: So no matter where you're at, even if you're in
Speaker 10: the furthest extreme south, in my opinion, it's still subordinate
Speaker 10: to the center that it expanded from or was expressed from.
Speaker 2: That's just my opinion.
Speaker 10: But what I was building up to is basically the
Speaker 10: leader being an axis being a bridge. The full title
Speaker 10: of the pope is Pontifex Maximus and that means the
Speaker 10: ultimate bridge builder. So he is a bridge between heaven
Speaker 10: and earth. Right, and so for the Germans, Hiller was
Speaker 10: an axial figure. He was an axis, he was a pole, right.
Speaker 10: He was supposedly or he was supposed to be the
Speaker 10: point of pivot for his people. He was going to
Speaker 10: be the point of orientation for his people. He's the leader.
Speaker 10: So all leaders literally sort of imbue this axial symbol
Speaker 10: and this bridge between heaven and Earth, right explaining, And
Speaker 10: so to me that's so interesting because also they use
Speaker 10: the swastika, which is also an axial symbol. It's symbolic
Speaker 10: of the spin of Heaven, of all spin. Really, my
Speaker 10: personal opinion is Earth is not spinning. That's an inversion.
Speaker 10: The heavens are spinning above, right, And so they're using
Speaker 10: an axial world axis symbol in the swastika, and they're
Speaker 10: referred to as the Axis versus the Allies, the axis
Speaker 10: of evil right now. Also very interesting that they invaded
Speaker 10: whole land, right, and so it's kind of embedded all
Speaker 10: over the place with all of this stuff. And so
Speaker 10: to me, a huge thing about this too is that
Speaker 10: a leader is an axis, including an evil, nefarious leader.
Speaker 10: And so, like the Lore as an example, Lord symbolism
Speaker 10: has a lot of axial symbolism baked into it, but
Speaker 10: so does the Dark Lord as well. It's the same
Speaker 10: axis symbolism. The devil in the Devil card oftentimes is
Speaker 10: squatting on top of like a pedestal. Right, that's kind
Speaker 10: of like his primordial center. Right, it looks very much
Speaker 10: in some cards like the Right Way, it kind of
Speaker 10: looks like the Monolith from two thousand and one, or
Speaker 10: it looks even like the Cobbacue, right, and so the
Speaker 10: axis symbolism translates whether you're talking about a positive or
Speaker 10: negative figure. And then now I think it's really fascinating.
Speaker 10: Iran has been brought up a few times and now
Speaker 10: Iran is the new axis of evil and so and
Speaker 10: they've got clear polar symbolism, you know, baked into a
Speaker 10: lot of what they do.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 10: To me, it's very strategic. It feels like it's a
Speaker 10: it's a deliberate campaign once again to suppress this symbolism
Speaker 10: because it's too holistic, it's too unifying.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so let's get to this.
Speaker 8: There's there's another angle, right there is that that the
Speaker 8: trickster spirit is always a Northern spirit. That is, that
Speaker 8: is a constant I found in a lot of mythology,
Speaker 8: is that this trickster is a Northern polar deity.
Speaker 2: M hmm, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: From the Mario, the Nazis during their reign acknowledged Iran
Speaker 3: as being their brothers. Essentially, Hitler himself said, there are
Speaker 3: there are like a potent form of the Aryan bloodlining
Speaker 3: they're our brothers. But you know, I just want to
Speaker 3: comment on where the Nazis perhaps got that symbol from.
Speaker 3: It's there's a good chance that they got it from
Speaker 3: a guy who was a Sufi East and Eastern mystic
Speaker 3: who was also spent time in Turkey, who was part
Speaker 3: of the Turkish freemasonry scene. There's a guy named Sabatandorf. So,
Speaker 3: because the Nazis got the symbol from the Two Lace Society,
Speaker 3: which was started by Walter Nauhaus and Rudolph Bo Sabatandorf.
Speaker 3: Those guys were these German occultists. They were in about
Speaker 3: ten other orders. They were again Freemason's Germanten, German Norden
Speaker 3: of the Holy Grail. They were Reskrucians, alchemists, they were
Speaker 3: in everything. So they took all those influences and amalgamated
Speaker 3: them into this two Lay Society. Well, the Two Lay
Speaker 3: Society goes on to sort of sponsor and branch off
Speaker 3: and become the German Workers Party, which becomes the Nazi Party.
Speaker 3: So Hitler and the Nazis simply kept the symbol. The
Speaker 3: Thule Society had already introduced it, and they came in
Speaker 3: and they straightened out the edges. Because the Tuley had
Speaker 3: the edges of the Swaska bent a little bit. They
Speaker 3: came in, they straightened out the edges, kept the symbol.
Speaker 3: Hitler himself, from what I've read and what I've researched,
Speaker 3: added all he did was add the red and the
Speaker 3: white and black. And they did this with the Tooley's.
Speaker 3: The Tulei Society had an ocult newsletter, I think it
Speaker 3: was called the Beobacher. The Nazis kept that as well,
Speaker 3: and they turned it into the Nazis Party's main newsletter,
Speaker 3: a newspaper that went out. So I just want to
Speaker 3: break that down. But I think possibly Sabatandorf got it
Speaker 3: from some of these influences that came down from this
Speaker 3: Magi this uh the Persian area and Magi pre sad bloodline.
Speaker 8: Tim, Tim, do you get the sensation that the Nazis
Speaker 8: were kind of like the German form of the Mormons.
Speaker 8: There's this magical influence sort of bubbling up from the
Speaker 8: bottom and then spreading out into these different, sort of
Speaker 8: normified symbols.
Speaker 3: I do absolutely. I mean, it would take me a
Speaker 3: whole episode to break it down, but I agree with
Speaker 3: that for sure.
Speaker 8: It's like there's it's like there's ancient orders that sort
Speaker 8: of come to the surface in these different movements from
Speaker 8: time to time.
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
Speaker 3: And that's why I brought up Iran earlier, because I mean,
Speaker 3: because of this Persian area and Magi group, Zoroastri and
Speaker 3: all that stuff, they're all kind of a part of that.
Speaker 3: And I think in the book that Mario held up,
Speaker 3: that book is by about Tilik. I think I think
Speaker 3: he talked about how this whole Persian area and bloodline
Speaker 3: thing too. But yeah, yeah, it goes back to these
Speaker 3: these basically these secret orders that had this information to
Speaker 3: begin with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, really quickly, I just want to insert the edition
Speaker 4: of the Black and White. I believe Jin and Nick.
Speaker 4: Please correct me if I'm wrong. Those are the color
Speaker 4: stages of the great work, isn't it? In alchemy? Those
Speaker 4: are the actual re statement of when converting whatever it
Speaker 4: is that you're working on to the different phases to
Speaker 4: ultimately get you to the magnum o, this great work
Speaker 4: in helchemy.
Speaker 8: The Greido and Robido, Yes, that's correct. Yeah, yeh, Rubido
Speaker 8: is the red. She's talking about the black and red,
Speaker 8: but yeah, Albido is also.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you're toullly, right, Lisa, that's a great option.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's super interesting, just real quick, just because I
Speaker 10: brought it up or I opened it and grabbed it here.
Speaker 10: But you know, I don't have too many Iranian esoteric books,
Speaker 10: but I have this one, The Man of Light, and
Speaker 10: it's by Henry Corbyn. The Man of Light in Iranian
Speaker 10: Sufism and uh. In it they talk about Sufi's meditating
Speaker 10: on the world axis and like gaining enlightenment and stuff
Speaker 10: like that.
Speaker 2: But if you open it, it's the first image here.
Speaker 10: Literally you're going to see Ursa Madrin minor, right, So
Speaker 10: it's just showing you how significant that is. It's literally
Speaker 10: the first image in the book when you open it up, right.
Speaker 10: So I see this as potentially Some authors like this
Speaker 10: guy named W. H. Mueller in his book Polaria, he
Speaker 10: talks about how he thinks that the great wars of
Speaker 10: the world are essentially esoterically between solar and polar factions
Speaker 10: pretty much.
Speaker 2: Can I get a date on that book on Man
Speaker 2: of Light? Yeah, yeah, totally. So let me see here,
Speaker 2: well you look at for that.
Speaker 5: I wanted to add, Timmy, you mentioned I ran kind
Speaker 5: of like, you know, using the swastigua, and you know,
Speaker 5: you know Patsy Party, we also saw that popping up
Speaker 5: with the az Off Battalion over in Ukraine. So I
Speaker 5: mean this gne keeps on popping up every time there's
Speaker 5: a war.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 8: So if we're looking at theos oh, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Oh just real quick.
Speaker 10: I was just going to say that, you know, if
Speaker 10: we're talking about solar versus polar orders, right factions, right
Speaker 10: deep deep esoteric factions. I think it's very interesting that
Speaker 10: the Nazis had the swastika. The reverence for the swastika
Speaker 10: clearly a pole, a point of pivot right. And then
Speaker 10: the Jews also are well known for their twin pillars
Speaker 10: like in front of Solomon's Temple, right, and in freemasonry,
Speaker 10: in esoteric Judaism and things like that. So literally it
Speaker 10: can be broken down as like the single pillar order
Speaker 10: versus the dual pillar order, the twin pillars right, and
Speaker 10: so to me it's really interesting as well, I was
Speaker 10: in this camp, so I'm not throwing shade at anybody,
Speaker 10: but a lot of people modern in the modern esoteric world,
Speaker 10: they will spend a lot of time studying and researching
Speaker 10: the two pillars boas Jacquin, solar, lunar, whatever. But a
Speaker 10: lot of times they will never study the single pillar.
Speaker 10: And when you study the single pillar, it's polar essentially,
Speaker 10: is what it all breaks down to in my opinion.
Speaker 8: Mario, if I could interject, we're talking about a type
Speaker 8: of energy, am I right? Like you can feel this
Speaker 8: stuff when you interact with it, but it's not really
Speaker 8: clear to the audience unless they have an extended interaction
Speaker 8: with these symbols to know what that feeling is. So
Speaker 8: I want to ask you what is the feeling you get?
Speaker 8: What is I would call it drill? Right, So rill
Speaker 8: coming from that polar symbol. You've studied it for a
Speaker 8: long time. I'm sure you can identify the emotions and
Speaker 8: things like that associated with it in yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think rill is appropriate. You know.
Speaker 10: I just think of a unity, supreme unity, you know.
Speaker 10: I think of the middle path, the middle way, the
Speaker 10: internal journey, you know, being concerned with what's happening more
Speaker 10: so locally and within versus without. To me, one of
Speaker 10: the greatest ways I can break it down is polar
Speaker 10: symbolism brings a vertical orientation, this axis between the above
Speaker 10: and below, and to me, in my opinion, solar symbolism
Speaker 10: has brought about a horizontal orientation where everything's completely flattened
Speaker 10: out right, and so I think that that was one
Speaker 10: of the big distinctions here between these things. But if
Speaker 10: you show the first slide, if you don't mind whoever's
Speaker 10: controlling the deck here, it's just the standard swastika that
Speaker 10: you're going to find.
Speaker 2: Associated with the Nazis.
Speaker 10: And one of the things that did happen as well
Speaker 10: is that it forms more of an X THENT across right.
Speaker 10: It's tilted slightly right, but it's clear that this looks
Speaker 10: like it's supposed to be moving, and in my opinion,
Speaker 10: when we're talking about movement again, it goes back to
Speaker 10: the movement of the heavens. I think that that's perhaps
Speaker 10: the greatest, most transcendental, sort of symbolic example that we have,
Speaker 10: so the movement of all things again around this interstellar axis.
Speaker 10: And we can go to the next slide here, and
Speaker 10: it's just a quote from Reneguent on.
Speaker 8: Mario real quick. There's that triscalion element to the tilted
Speaker 8: swastika that I think, you know, if people look into
Speaker 8: the triscalion, they see it's the three sides and it's
Speaker 8: in that sort of motion kind of thing. And you've
Speaker 8: only got two flags of the world that have the
Speaker 8: triscalion on it, which would be Sicily.
Speaker 11: And the Isle of Man.
Speaker 8: Yes, both of them are legs.
Speaker 12: Yeah, So I say to your point about the pole
Speaker 12: and then it being flattened like a field. I looked
Speaker 12: up the etymology or meaning of Poland and it means
Speaker 12: people of the field.
Speaker 3: So pole there is field.
Speaker 2: Just oh interesting, Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: If the swastika is meant to convey motion and movement,
Speaker 3: I'm still kind of thinking about this idea of real
Speaker 3: being associated with it, like that's that's very interesting to me.
Speaker 3: And I just want to point out that, like from
Speaker 3: what I understand, the concept of real really came about
Speaker 3: through Edward Buller, Lytton or Lynton, who was a part
Speaker 3: of that group of the Thule Society. Like they were
Speaker 3: all in the same kind of a cou circle, like
Speaker 3: with Sabatano or Fron even Bolobovsky. But I just want
Speaker 3: to point out that I think this symbol like we've
Speaker 3: presented today, in my mind, we've presented that the symbols
Speaker 3: going back to a much much older culture and it's
Speaker 3: just the secret societies and the mystery schools sort of
Speaker 3: carrying it along and passing it along like a baton.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I would love to circle back around to
Speaker 10: Vrill because there's a lot to chew on with that
Speaker 10: for sure. So about the Swaska, went On says in
Speaker 10: his book Fundamental Symbols. In my opinion, this is one
Speaker 10: of the greatest symbolic books you can get your hands
Speaker 10: on in the modern world. The Swaska is essentially the
Speaker 10: sign of the poll. It would seem that in modern
Speaker 10: Europe it's true significance has never been made known. Most
Speaker 10: often it is made out to be a solar sign.
Speaker 10: Exactly what I said earlier, and exactly my hunch as well.
Speaker 10: So when I read this, it blew my mind, which
Speaker 10: it could only have become accidentally and in a rather
Speaker 10: indirect way. And he has other quotes too about again
Speaker 10: polar symbolism being truly primordial and solar symbolism being subordinate.
Speaker 10: So if you want to go through the next slide,
Speaker 10: we were kind of already on that, but you can
Speaker 10: see all of the different sort of variations. So the
Speaker 10: fact that the Nazi swastika also it's rotating what way
Speaker 10: in the polar direction. It's going counterclockwise, not clockwise right.
Speaker 10: This is more primordial again, just like the fixed stars,
Speaker 10: and just like the early skyclock, the early skyclock. Just
Speaker 10: to be clear as well, it was really ursa major
Speaker 10: and minor going around the Pole Star because it was
Speaker 10: the center of the wheel of heaven basically right at
Speaker 10: least to northern people or people in the northern hemisphere,
Speaker 10: but as far as China and India as well, they
Speaker 10: had a reference, a reverence for these stars, these original
Speaker 10: seven Stars of Enlightenment or some major has been referred to,
Speaker 10: so you can go to.
Speaker 8: You could see a little bit of the triscalion in
Speaker 8: some of those symbols, and the triscalion is said to
Speaker 8: be the oldest symbol in human history.
Speaker 1: Someone in the chat brought up the idea of well field,
Speaker 1: which is a Chinese character for a farm, and it
Speaker 1: also forms the character for sun as well. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to say this, in Chinese cosmology, like the Pole
Speaker 1: Star symbolism is extremely important. It's related to the Temple
Speaker 1: of Heaven in Beijing, which people will sometimes say is
Speaker 1: like a Taoist temple, but that's really a Tangrist or
Speaker 1: a kind of heaven worship temple, and so the star
Speaker 1: sort of asterism worship is a really important idea in
Speaker 1: Chinese culture because they've had different periods where they preferred
Speaker 1: planets or stars, but the sort of pole star, and
Speaker 1: it's there are also Buddhist parallels, but it's a very
Speaker 1: important deity for both that kind of like Manchurian Tangrism
Speaker 1: as well as East Asian Buddhism. Sorry, I just wanted to.
Speaker 2: No right on, thank you.
Speaker 10: So the next slide you can go to it's just
Speaker 10: more examples, right, obviously of Swaska's around the world.
Speaker 2: But there you go.
Speaker 10: There's the there's some major going around the Pole Star. Right,
Speaker 10: So my understanding I've said this so many times before
Speaker 10: as well, but I actually think we get the number seven.
Speaker 10: The literally the shape of the number seven, I think
Speaker 10: is a northern shape. I think it relates to basically,
Speaker 10: when you're looking at or some major the end of
Speaker 10: the vessel, part of the dipper points towards the Pole Star,
Speaker 10: and so there's kind of an implied line from that
Speaker 10: last star there towards the Pole Star, and it looks
Speaker 10: just like the number seven. And so the number seven
Speaker 10: is so significant and so important for so many different reasons.
Speaker 10: It's absolutely wild.
Speaker 8: So there's even rail Mario, if I get interject real quick,
Speaker 8: think about the Little Dipper and the question mark.
Speaker 2: Hmm, there you go, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, right right, Well, speaking of the Little Dipper,
Speaker 10: if you go to the next slide, you'll see the
Speaker 10: Little Dipper as well, or some major and URSA minors,
Speaker 10: So that's what I'm talking about. So people have said
Speaker 10: that basically it's URSA major going around the Pole Star
Speaker 10: like four times a year, one per season, right, just
Speaker 10: almost if you take a snapshot, which again seems as
Speaker 10: though this was the primordial skyclock things. Time was a
Speaker 10: bit different, people had a different interpretation of time. So
Speaker 10: you're following URSA major going around the Pole Star once
Speaker 10: a year basically, right. And there's all sorts of different
Speaker 10: ways in which people use URSA major and minor for
Speaker 10: like eye tests and like things like that. So it
Speaker 10: goes on and on and on and on. The Dipper
Speaker 10: history is absolutely wild. You can cruise through the next
Speaker 10: slide and go to the Black Sun, I think because
Speaker 10: to me, in many ways these are like very closely related.
Speaker 10: And so once again this to me just it just
Speaker 10: feels like a wheel, you know, wheel symbolism. We're talking
Speaker 10: about India. India's flag is a wheel. You can't have
Speaker 10: a wheel without the central axis. Right, So there's twelve
Speaker 10: spokes right that are emanating. They're all going. By the way,
Speaker 10: once again, if there's a rotation here, it looks like
Speaker 10: it's going counterclockwise, not clockwise.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 10: You could even say, by the way I've talked about this,
Speaker 10: there is an aspect here. You can basically make the
Speaker 10: argument that the left hand path is polar, that there's
Speaker 10: a whole aspect of the left hand path being polar.
Speaker 10: And if you're going around a central totem counterclockwise, that
Speaker 10: central totem is actually on your left hand side as well. Right,
Speaker 10: So there's even a left hand dynamic with counterclockwise rotation.
Speaker 10: And when you get into like black magic and some
Speaker 10: of these authors I'm thinking of, like Kenneth Grant, I'm
Speaker 10: thinking of like Michael Lakino, Stephen Flowers, things like that.
Speaker 10: Some of these guys they're all about Nazi symbolism and
Speaker 10: they have a whole relationship with the black sun and Saturn.
Speaker 2: And all sorts of things.
Speaker 10: Right, But to me, This feels almost just like a
Speaker 10: more circular, a more wheel like Swasika essentially, but the
Speaker 10: fact that there's twelve spokes.
Speaker 8: Mario, can I ask you a question. Do you think
Speaker 8: I think the Nazis came up with the sun and
Speaker 8: ride or did it exist prior to them, you know,
Speaker 8: putting it in the basement of that Castleabelsburg.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not sure where it came from,
Speaker 2: to be honest.
Speaker 3: With you, have you ever read through that Vivelsburg working
Speaker 3: that a Quino?
Speaker 11: Did you know?
Speaker 3: He went to the castle and I think I've read
Speaker 3: through his own writings on that, and it seems like
Speaker 3: he was trying to interact directly with the black Sun
Speaker 3: and used the black Sun symbolism that's you know, ingrained
Speaker 3: in like the marble floors and put up on the
Speaker 3: walls of the Vivelsburg castle that Himer had, you know.
Speaker 3: But this is like tied to inner Earth too, And
Speaker 3: what was the Nazis at least because they were speaking
Speaker 3: of real they believed that there was an entrances to
Speaker 3: the inner Earth, and they believed furthermore, they believe some
Speaker 3: of the entrances were up at the North Pole, up
Speaker 3: near that whole Hyperborean thing, and also that there was
Speaker 3: like a race down there. And part of the belief
Speaker 3: was that inside the Earth they didn't have a sun
Speaker 3: in there, but they had some other form of energy
Speaker 3: that they call it the black Sun. That it was
Speaker 3: like the like the sun up here on the surface
Speaker 3: procures the life force for plants and stuff. Well down there,
Speaker 3: it was the black Sun that had some sort of
Speaker 3: a life force energy for real like stuff that facilitated
Speaker 3: life down there. I always thought that that was fascinating.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Wikipedia says it was the Nazi symbols, so it
Speaker 8: didn't actually have a version before that. But I think
Speaker 8: that's just too convenient because it's got the twelve spokes,
Speaker 8: which is perfect for that coolar symbolism, you know. I mean,
Speaker 8: how could it not have existed before the time of
Speaker 8: the Nazis, That's what I want. I want to know.
Speaker 10: So, in my opinion, the Black Sun from everything I've gathered,
Speaker 10: if you want to skip a couple of slides and
Speaker 10: go to the list, there's a list that I have here,
Speaker 10: and there is the tile work in the castle. We
Speaker 10: can go past that there.
Speaker 2: You go right here.
Speaker 10: When we're referring to the spiritual sun, black sun, philosopher's son,
Speaker 10: midnight sun, invisible sun, central Sun, or secret son. We're
Speaker 10: actually referring to the exact same thing in my opinion,
Speaker 10: in my estimation, and it's actually a stationary son at
Speaker 10: where the center. That's why it has so much center
Speaker 10: symbolism associated with it, and that's why a lot of
Speaker 10: symbols that associate with the center as well have been
Speaker 10: related to the center of the world. And I think
Speaker 10: that there has been basically it's been misunderstood, and I
Speaker 10: don't personally. I know that there's major caverns, I know
Speaker 10: that there's major things underneath the earth, but I am
Speaker 10: not personally like a hollow earther person. So when I
Speaker 10: think of the center of the earth, I don't think
Speaker 10: of actually penetrating the earth. I'm only thinking of the
Speaker 10: middle of the earth, like as in the north, as
Speaker 10: in the central pole, basically right the world axis. So really,
Speaker 10: in actuality, the black Sun is a world access symbol.
Speaker 10: It represents the center of the wheel, it represents the
Speaker 10: point of pivot for all things. It's just it's a
Speaker 10: more esoteric understanding of things. And even midnight, the midnight sun,
Speaker 10: the midnight time of day, time of night, midnight has
Speaker 10: all sorts of polar connotations with it. There's a reason why,
Speaker 10: as an example, you know the Catholic Mass, the midnight
Speaker 10: Mass happens. You know in Capricorn. There's a huge attorning
Speaker 10: aspect with midnight. You know, the turning of the year
Speaker 10: from year to year. You know at midnight. All of
Speaker 10: the midnight celebrations, generally in the West, happened during Capricorn season,
Speaker 10: and so there's a lot of good reasons for that.
Speaker 2: And also I'll just say, twelve o'clock on a clock
Speaker 2: is pointing up.
Speaker 10: North on a compass is pointed up, so literally twelve
Speaker 10: o'clock on a clock face and then North is in
Speaker 10: the exact same position. So I made a video about this,
Speaker 10: about all of the ways in which it relates to
Speaker 10: each other.
Speaker 2: So that's my person.
Speaker 8: We also have to consider how cold it is in
Speaker 8: the winter, so you could see the entire sky. There's
Speaker 8: no humidity, there's no clouds, there's nothing blocking your view
Speaker 8: of the entire night sky. So to have these celebrations
Speaker 8: in the winter time seems so natural. You know, you've
Speaker 8: got all these fires and everything, you know, glowing and
Speaker 8: then you're looking up at the sky and you're appreciating
Speaker 8: your gods. In that way, it makes so much more
Speaker 8: sense to appreciate this polar sort of world in the wintertime.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, I mean even the Northern lights.
Speaker 10: You know, there's a whole thing with the Northern lights
Speaker 10: and the symbolism behind the Northern lights and what that
Speaker 10: represents and everything else. Also, Christmas is like the most
Speaker 10: overt northern holiday that we actually have.
Speaker 2: Where does Santa come from? It comes from the North Pole.
Speaker 10: It's more of a modern tradition, but the whole dynamic
Speaker 10: of putting a star on top of a tree, that's
Speaker 10: the North Star on top of the world tree, that's
Speaker 10: basically the world axis in your home, and you're putting
Speaker 10: the central star, you know, right on top of it.
Speaker 10: In my opinion, so if you just want to go
Speaker 10: up one slide, this is one of Gwennan's quotes. He says,
Speaker 10: it goes without saying that these two symbolisms, polar and solar,
Speaker 10: must never be confused, and that, as we have often indicated,
Speaker 10: polar symbolism is far more fundamental and in fact truly primordial.
Speaker 10: I can't find anything that contradicts to this personally, that's
Speaker 10: just though. And then if you just want to go
Speaker 10: back to the black sun symbol to just go up
Speaker 10: one or two, you know, we're dealing with twelve spokes.
Speaker 10: That means there's a hidden relationship with the number thirteen. Right,
Speaker 10: The number thirteen breaks cycles. It's even been said that
Speaker 10: the number thirteen breaks solar cycles. And so in the
Speaker 10: astrology world, there's you know, people debate on whether there's
Speaker 10: twelve or thirteen signs. If you have twelve, you know, signs,
Speaker 10: that means that there's actually a relationship with the number
Speaker 10: thirteen because also there's the point of pivot in the middle.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 2: If there's a thirteenth sign, however, which it would be
Speaker 2: a Luturus.
Speaker 8: Lunar calendar, that's exactly right, the luter calendar would include
Speaker 8: that thirteenth sign.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 10: So when you get deep into a fucus symbolism and
Speaker 10: you start understanding why it's the thirteenth sign, it's because
Speaker 10: it breaks solar paradigms, It breaks solar patterns thoroughly. And
Speaker 10: actually a fucus is more central, which means that it's
Speaker 10: actually more northern than all of the other signs. A
Speaker 10: fucus has been referred to as a bend in the
Speaker 10: river or the exit from the zodiac where to the
Speaker 10: northern sky. That's what it's all about. That's what a
Speaker 10: fucus is, the most polar sign in the zodiac, which
Speaker 10: is why it's such a controversial sign.
Speaker 2: Right away, those are just some of my thoughts, you know,
Speaker 2: on the block sum there.
Speaker 3: So Aquino wrote that he was in here in the
Speaker 3: Hall of the Dead in Heimrich Kindler's sanctorium. He talks
Speaker 3: about how I just think this is interesting, right, so
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna throw it in and he's like he
Speaker 3: talks about how he starts to see sigils before him
Speaker 3: and they go on to like influence the order of
Speaker 3: the trapezoid. But he's like, you know, I see, I
Speaker 3: see the two lower points, the three curved sixes, the
Speaker 3: trient rising from the flames of Hell. I saw its
Speaker 3: ladder design in the church, the sixes and the flames
Speaker 3: now gone. And he just goes on to kind of
Speaker 3: talk about how he's he's adapting the sisual based on
Speaker 3: this vision that he has, and he says in here
Speaker 3: somewhere where that the feeling of the room rushed over him,
Speaker 3: and it's like, man, this guy's like totally embracing like stuff.
Speaker 1: I totally get what he's doing, though I do understand
Speaker 1: from a tontric perspective, like he's trying to receive the word.
Speaker 1: This is obviously a big part of the order of
Speaker 1: trapezoids is the keywords from each angle represents a key word.
Speaker 1: They don't have all the keywords. A Quano didn't leave
Speaker 1: them all of them. That's just sort of the lore
Speaker 1: as far as I understand it. And so it's always
Speaker 1: like this kind of search for the spectral, like Mario's
Speaker 1: talking about, like the thirteenth sort of it's an axial pivot.
Speaker 1: So this is like very contric again, like this is
Speaker 1: why there's two real factions. There's like the faction that
Speaker 1: draw from the ETAs in this like kind of tenth
Speaker 1: century Pagan kang material, and then there's also people who
Speaker 1: draw from Tontra. And then like so this more you know,
Speaker 1: primordial Himalayan stuff, because like when you guys are talking
Speaker 1: about like our Ariyans, this is very well understood for
Speaker 1: East Asians. I know this is going to be a
Speaker 1: sort of surprised people. But Tibetans believe that they are Ariya,
Speaker 1: they believe that they are noble, they think that they're
Speaker 1: the shows and ones. So it's it's often a matter
Speaker 1: of perspective, often a matter of view, like who do
Speaker 1: you put in the place of the Magi. Well, if
Speaker 1: you ask men Buddhists, they would say that they are
Speaker 1: the true inheritors of like the tradition of the magi,
Speaker 1: because we even practice homa to this day, which is
Speaker 1: a fire worship. So I'm just saying that there are
Speaker 1: you know, there are racial component is only one layer.
Speaker 1: It's really like so much more further ranging than that.
Speaker 1: Even geographical like what is considered the north, like Kazakhstan
Speaker 1: considers itself the north, Like where I live is considered
Speaker 1: to be like.
Speaker 2: Subarctic exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 10: No, No, that that's the whole entire thing is the
Speaker 10: center is everywhere, and so so from what I've gathered
Speaker 10: is that the original homeland potentially was at the north. Uh,
Speaker 10: the original pilgrimage location was at the north. So that
Speaker 10: means that all pilgrimage locations all places where people kind
Speaker 10: of like plant their flag, they put their pole in
Speaker 10: the ground, right and they call this home and they
Speaker 10: say that this is I think it's a very healthy
Speaker 10: thing for a culture or a group of people to
Speaker 10: have a place in their backyard that they consider to
Speaker 10: be the navel of the earth, the center of the world, right,
Speaker 10: And so there's so many examples of this.
Speaker 2: That's healthy, that's really healthy.
Speaker 10: And also it goes back to this primorial origin story
Speaker 10: that all of humanity has, even at a level.
Speaker 8: Oh just real quick, you're not like what happens though?
Speaker 8: What do you mean is what's the only version of
Speaker 8: polar symbolism North America has?
Speaker 2: It depends on how glogacysm.
Speaker 8: I mean, that's the only.
Speaker 1: There's actually multiple. Now there's you know, you have Tibetan
Speaker 1: Buddhism that obviously I Nick showed the image. There's that's
Speaker 1: sort of the symbol also of Bonpo, which is the
Speaker 1: primordial they say twenty six thousand years. That's their own dating.
Speaker 1: They say they're the pre Deluvian religion. So I'm just
Speaker 1: passing it along. I don't belong to it.
Speaker 2: I thought you were.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Uh sorry, I'm I'm delayed.
Speaker 8: I'm delayed.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I have this.
Speaker 9: I was gonna say I thought you were talking about
Speaker 9: the Hope and Navajo and other.
Speaker 1: American Indian Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 9: With the swastika, and before World War Two, many people
Speaker 9: in the United States were used it as a fashion
Speaker 9: symbol and also many American Native American culture did too,
Speaker 9: just because they had already you know, found it to
Speaker 9: be profound.
Speaker 8: It's it's true, we think, but it goes back to
Speaker 8: the concept of what is this rill? What is this
Speaker 8: energy coming from this north place? And in my experience,
Speaker 8: it feels like a slap across the face. That's what
Speaker 8: real feels like to me. It's like, wake up, wake up,
Speaker 8: what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 8: That slap across the face feeling? Is this kind of
Speaker 8: brill that is before like a combat scenario, You've got
Speaker 8: to wake up. And if everything in America is pointing
Speaker 8: to this thirteen right, we've got thirteen colonies, thirteen arrows,
Speaker 8: thirteen stars, all these thirteens, it's pointing towards that same
Speaker 8: kind of slap in the face feeling.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying that, you know, all polar symbolism is that,
Speaker 8: but that's an element of it. You know, that slap
Speaker 8: in the face, cold water, wake up, what are you
Speaker 8: doing with your life. Kind of feeling goes along with
Speaker 8: this polar symbolism that I think is rising up in
Speaker 8: the current eon we're entering into.
Speaker 10: You know, it's interesting too, there's a lot to be
Speaker 10: said about the age of Aquarius potentially bringing about a
Speaker 10: polar age, and just my sort of loose interpretation of that,
Speaker 10: my armchair interpretation of that. It's fascinating that the card
Speaker 10: that corresponds with Aquarius in the major arcana is the
Speaker 10: star card. There's usually seven stars in the heavens, either
Speaker 10: seven in total or one with seven surrounding it. I've
Speaker 10: made multiple videos and presentations about how this is the
Speaker 10: star of stars. It's the pole star, right, So there's
Speaker 10: a direct in my opinion. I know there's room for
Speaker 10: debate here, but in my opinion, it's a reference to
Speaker 10: the North Star. And so isn't that interesting there's a
Speaker 10: north star connection with Aquarius. There's actually north star northern
Speaker 10: connection with all the signs in my opinion, and actually
Speaker 10: the origins of the zodiac itself.
Speaker 2: You know, it's the same.
Speaker 10: Story above and below this idea about man migrating or
Speaker 10: having an arcticome land, it's the exact same thing with
Speaker 10: the stars in my estimation from what I can gather, right, So, yeah,
Speaker 10: something I want to think it.
Speaker 8: Goes back to the tricksters.
Speaker 3: Oh go ahead, No, I agree with that too, actually
Speaker 3: head of those. Yeah, I like the trickster, the astro
Speaker 3: theological trickster that as I like to call it. And
Speaker 3: these conjunctions like we've got this Saturn Neptune conjunction and
Speaker 3: coming up next year, and some people were talking about
Speaker 3: how it's going to you know, be a Renaissance type
Speaker 3: of a period.
Speaker 1: Zero point ingress. I just want to say, zero point
Speaker 1: ingress is happening.
Speaker 3: And I was gonna I was wondering what, you know,
Speaker 3: what Mario sees as far as those conjunctions, like, is
Speaker 3: there anything you know significantly polar in in the cards
Speaker 3: for the future.
Speaker 1: I think it is.
Speaker 3: Well, no, sorry, that's what we're saying about the trickster thing.
Speaker 8: No, that's that's that's my point. It's like, look around
Speaker 8: at what's going on around us. This is not just
Speaker 8: confined to these esoteric reviews of symbols. It's happening right now.
Speaker 8: We're seeing this shift from solar back to polar. We're
Speaker 8: seeing it happen in front of us. That's what we're feeling.
Speaker 8: You know this, this is current events. I think a
Speaker 8: lot of people don't understand that. But there's a shift
Speaker 8: in consciousness happening. Whether we accept it as being like
Speaker 8: a fourth dimensional, fifth dimensional kind of thing, it's not
Speaker 8: the thing that's happening. There is a shift in consciousness.
Speaker 1: And well, there's a shift in consciousness if we decide
Speaker 1: that we're all moving in an axial system. I personally
Speaker 1: believe we are moving in an axial system as well,
Speaker 1: but I'm also good at so we believe in axial system.
Speaker 1: That's like kind of foundational for us.
Speaker 8: So that's what the foundational aspect of it. It's like
Speaker 8: there's a shift in the foundation itself.
Speaker 1: I think if you're just like totally oblivious to everything,
Speaker 1: then it doesn't matter.
Speaker 11: Well, I think when i'm something I kind of wanted
Speaker 11: to throw in here.
Speaker 5: How I think what Headless was trying to say, how
Speaker 5: I was seeing it is that like during the Nazi party,
Speaker 5: and I would say, now, now you're seeing the swasticker.
Speaker 5: No matter how the fuck it's used, it's still popping
Speaker 5: up regardless, it's showing up in different areas, and people
Speaker 5: are getting into this mindset. Something's got to change and
Speaker 5: people start rising up regardless of what the outcome is.
Speaker 5: I what I was gonna say is I do see
Speaker 5: how I think the Nazi Party, you know, with Hitler,
Speaker 5: perfected that.
Speaker 1: Kind of rise up change.
Speaker 5: What the fuck is wrong? These peoples are bad? That
Speaker 5: person's bad. Why we're letting this happen? And we're seeing
Speaker 5: it again now when we had oh.
Speaker 11: The trainees, these people, COVID.
Speaker 5: All this stuff is all, you know whatever, you're seeing
Speaker 5: it again now Trump may not be fucking wearing the swastika,
Speaker 5: but it's showing up in other countries anyway, right.
Speaker 8: And you know, if we look at ourselves and understand that, hey,
Speaker 8: you know, there's a shift that's been delayed a long time,
Speaker 8: and we all know that a lot of people are
Speaker 8: just coasting because they don't have to consider any of
Speaker 8: the energetic consequences of their actions. You know, like it's
Speaker 8: just not a thing where we live right now. But
Speaker 8: if we take an introspective look at what we've done,
Speaker 8: it's it's not a pretty picture, you know, because it's
Speaker 8: like there's a perspective shift that's happening, right, So we're
Speaker 8: seeing ourselves from outside ourselves. And I think that's what
Speaker 8: things are happening with this trickster level energy because as
Speaker 8: we see ourselves and the things we've done, like who
Speaker 8: we've elected, what we think is going to happen, we
Speaker 8: understand that that's not a reality and never has been,
Speaker 8: and that's a big blow to our collective egos. You
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, It's like, that's.
Speaker 13: Not that would be That would be the next big
Speaker 13: shift in consciousness is people waking up from from the
Speaker 13: current SiO that you know with the government stuff.
Speaker 3: That's I don't want to get too political here or
Speaker 3: so I'm trying to like and.
Speaker 8: The next one and the next one. You know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying, It's like, it's all of it is within
Speaker 8: that same perspective.
Speaker 11: One thing I did on.
Speaker 3: Chris, you got Chris Bledsoe out there saying that there's
Speaker 3: a a shift in consciousness coming next year on Easter
Speaker 3: that's connected with the divine fitling in so uh, Nick,
Speaker 3: I think I jumped on you there.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 5: Another thing, I have associated that symbol with the the
Speaker 5: idea of death. That's just my opinion because my own
Speaker 5: experiences and in the times when you see it. You're
Speaker 5: seeing a lot of fucking death, regardless if it's from
Speaker 5: a bomb, a fake disease, an injection, whatever the fuck
Speaker 5: it is.
Speaker 11: People have been dying. Also, when you see this image rising.
Speaker 8: Path souls, you know it's the path of souls. It's
Speaker 8: the change in the in the equinox, when theodox shifts. Well,
Speaker 8: we're seeing it.
Speaker 6: You gotta remember a god was always seen in fire,
Speaker 6: or most of the time he was seen in fire.
Speaker 7: You know, the burning bush, the thing that led to Israelites.
Speaker 7: And what does fire create? What does it do?
Speaker 6: It destroys things, But it's also a rebirth after that,
Speaker 6: So every time you destroy something's got to be a
Speaker 6: rebirth right after.
Speaker 11: That's the magician, the return when he comes back.
Speaker 10: The major has also been referred to as the coffin
Speaker 10: of Osiris, right, and so that's very interesting. Also, we
Speaker 10: can't forget that dot, the hidden Sepharos on the cobblistic tree.
Speaker 10: The eleventh is the gateway to the Clipophic tree, the
Speaker 10: root side or the night side of the Tree of life,
Speaker 10: and Doth associates with the north right, and so so
Speaker 10: there's that relationship as well. And so the death thing definitely.
Speaker 10: There's like a lot of different angles with.
Speaker 6: That Zoroastra Tostrianism, with their fire, with their fire guy,
Speaker 6: you know, cleansing up the body. Instead of cleansing with
Speaker 6: with with water, they was cleansing with fire.
Speaker 7: They had to fire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I think that's a great wave.
Speaker 8: Actually, Iranians are converting back to Zoroastrian religions right now
Speaker 8: in record numbers.
Speaker 1: I don't think they ever really if you understand how
Speaker 1: Iranian Islam really worked, the Iranians never really converted to
Speaker 1: anything point. They've always been Zoroastrian Manichean. They've always been
Speaker 1: a mystery religion country. The rumor was even during the
Speaker 1: seventies at the the king or the prince, I'm forgetting.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Lisa, I'm trying to I'm not being exact.
Speaker 1: I know I should be more specificity. He the rumor
Speaker 1: was always that he was a Zoroastrian, that they would
Speaker 1: import like all these animals, like very like that Rodolfo
Speaker 1: guy in Mexico. They would import like lions. That's part
Speaker 1: of vitic Yashna. People want to talk about, like return
Speaker 1: to the worship of the ancestors and the gods like
Speaker 1: that requires human sacrifice, eagle sacrifice, elephant sacrifice, lion sacrifice,
Speaker 1: for sacrifice literally every day into a into a like
Speaker 1: a huge yajna fire. So this is not a realistic
Speaker 1: it's like the click backwards that that we can't really
Speaker 1: go backwards to like a Vedic you know, kingship. We
Speaker 1: have to sort of move forwards. And I think that's
Speaker 1: also like the tonka that I that Nick brought up
Speaker 1: before with the goddess holding it like that is the
Speaker 1: goddess of the pole Star. She is the Barbello of
Speaker 1: the seven Mantos, the seven mothers of the Pole Star.
Speaker 8: And every click backward is a click forward in time.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you say that headless because she did
Speaker 1: a pole is actually the actual quote unquote air quotes
Speaker 1: pole of her husband and she bites it off and
Speaker 1: she but he actually gains it back. It's just it's
Speaker 1: one part of the story, right, because that's a much
Speaker 1: more sort of dharmic way to consider it. In different
Speaker 1: parts of the story can there is no real chronology
Speaker 1: because if you live in a dharmaic system, it's axial,
Speaker 1: oxial and cyclical at the same time. So different parts
Speaker 1: of the story actually don't need to be in chronological order.
Speaker 1: They can, but they can still be connected.
Speaker 8: So that the.
Speaker 3: Might represent this sort of knowledge being dormant in many
Speaker 3: different cultures, because you do see it showing up as
Speaker 3: somebody like if you look at the Soup or the
Speaker 3: Sumbee tribe, they were a branch off of the Persian
Speaker 3: Aryan bloodline. That's where we get Sweden.
Speaker 14: Sweden was named, so maybe the Swedes seems like they
Speaker 14: were part of this at some point, part of this
Speaker 14: persian Arian bloodline, and they used that Swiss swastika a
Speaker 14: lot over there, and even like I think there were
Speaker 14: hired all.
Speaker 3: He was looking and he found some records that indicated
Speaker 3: that Odin from Norse mythology founded the Swedish dynasty and
Speaker 3: that he came out of maybe even a Semitic bloodline.
Speaker 1: So it's not clear who Odin really is. That's what
Speaker 1: I think is really interesting about what you're saying to
Speaker 1: him is that a lot of people, like I'm not
Speaker 1: into the I'm not into any paganism, but like in particular,
Speaker 1: I'm not into the North stuff, but I do understand
Speaker 1: it to a degree because of people around me, and
Speaker 1: I will just say that he's a very dynamic figure,
Speaker 1: so he can like take what to saying like that
Speaker 1: could be part of his story. And like the thing
Speaker 1: about Odin, even though I don't really identify with that
Speaker 1: at all, is that he can handle many stories attached
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, he's kind of like a deity of
Speaker 1: the paradoxes, many paradoxes, so he can actually handle contradiction.
Speaker 2: Totally. And I see Odin as being very mercurial.
Speaker 10: And I know that you were talking about the trickster
Speaker 10: Headless and the trickster is very mercurial as well. Right,
Speaker 10: I see mercury all over the place, And actually I
Speaker 10: would say that if there's a deity slash planet that
Speaker 10: is highly polar nature, it's mercury. Always associated with the phallus,
Speaker 10: with the pole, you know, all of these different types
Speaker 10: of things and traveling between realms, being the messenger of
Speaker 10: the gods. How is he getting there through the central axis?
Speaker 2: In my opinion?
Speaker 10: And so I just want to riff on a couple
Speaker 10: of things real quick about sort of the spiritual shift
Speaker 10: with everything here. So just bringing up the wheel because
Speaker 10: it's appropriate with the swastika symbolically the wheel, right, we're
Speaker 10: all kind of like our own wheel. The wheel is
Speaker 10: one of the most important symbols out there in my estimation.
Speaker 10: The outside of the wheel relates to division and multiplicity.
Speaker 10: It represents being outside of self. The outside of the
Speaker 10: wheel is best related to Earth itself and physicality. It's
Speaker 10: the least balanced part of the wheel. And so you
Speaker 10: want to go to the center of the wheel. You
Speaker 10: want to go to the center of your wheel, know
Speaker 10: thyself and you'll know the universe. The middle of the
Speaker 10: wheel is the transcendental part of the wheel because you're
Speaker 10: now dealing with the axle. And when you get there, symbolically,
Speaker 10: you are the prime mover unmoved mover. You are immutable.
Speaker 10: You cause the wheel to turn by being stationary. This
Speaker 10: is going to the center of self. To me, this
Speaker 10: is what polar symbolism is all about, is the center
Speaker 10: of self and realizing the transcendental aspect of self that
Speaker 10: completely surpasses your actual own identity and personality and birth
Speaker 10: date and sun sign and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 10: You're a part of the Godhead, right, and so it's
Speaker 10: acknowledging the most aspect of who you are. So that's
Speaker 10: what polar symbolism brings about. That's why I think it's
Speaker 10: actually a dangerous thing, or was a dangerous thing to promote.
Speaker 2: Because it's too holistic. It brings everything back to center.
Speaker 10: And what Gwennon says, who's my mentor teacher right now,
Speaker 10: is that the difference between the Golden Age and the
Speaker 10: current dark age that we're in is literally the loss
Speaker 10: of the awareness of the center of Heaven of Earth
Speaker 10: it self. Right, there's a golden thread or cord that
Speaker 10: exists between the center of self and the center of
Speaker 10: the cosmos, you know, And so that's kind of how
Speaker 10: I see it.
Speaker 2: And there's a very strong heart.
Speaker 10: Based aspect to polar wisdom as well, being the symbolic center,
Speaker 10: one of the symbolic centers in self right, and so
Speaker 10: also the heart itself also.
Speaker 2: Being related to like a seed being related to.
Speaker 10: A cave also pumping blood and then the blood returning
Speaker 10: back to it, So it has the toroidal symbolism connected
Speaker 10: to it, heart also being an anagram for Earth as well.
Speaker 10: There's all sorts of things that go along with it.
Speaker 10: The color green related to it, you know, the central
Speaker 10: chap he dealing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's something interesting that you said Mario
Speaker 1: about like the return to self, because this is the
Speaker 1: difference between like maybe you could say that if you
Speaker 1: want to say there's a horizontal access between east and west.
Speaker 1: We don't have an eternalist idea fixed self. So like
Speaker 1: when you're like this, you can see this. In Islam
Speaker 1: they have a much more i would call it Gevatic
Speaker 1: and NETSC or a Venus in Mars kind of relationship
Speaker 1: where they like to purify the full self, like they
Speaker 1: want no self, but they kind of want to go
Speaker 1: through the fire into annihilation. And obviously Gwennan did become
Speaker 1: a Muslim in the end and so but they also
Speaker 1: have that preference and just like Mormons, Mormons like that,
Speaker 1: like NETSC kind of like a return infinite money, infinite
Speaker 1: money magic. That's totally fine, but I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: they also have like a more eternalist kind of idea
Speaker 1: of the soul and like where it's like we have
Speaker 1: a more infinite kind of way of looking at it
Speaker 1: where you can also go up, you can also come back.
Speaker 1: It's like a dynamic kind of it's a dynamic action
Speaker 1: of the sult rather than fixed so what and there's
Speaker 1: no soul, there's no soul, sorry.
Speaker 2: No worries. What camp does this fit in with the
Speaker 2: concept of.
Speaker 10: Getting to such a transcendental point within that the self
Speaker 10: does not exist, nor does duality, nor does separate.
Speaker 1: Yes, you have to be well obviously. Yeah for TNRE
Speaker 1: you have to be nondual for one hundred percent like must.
Speaker 1: But then there's no self. But there is a self
Speaker 1: that because just because you negate something doesn't mean it
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. This is ton tric logic. So yes, it's
Speaker 1: a little paradoxical, but we would say that the paradox
Speaker 1: is always resolved in the concert. So if you're doing
Speaker 1: an external deity practice, it makes sense. This, this concept
Speaker 1: makes sense, is what I'm saying. And so, uh, basically
Speaker 1: you get to a place of uh emptiness, which is
Speaker 1: as Lisa so eloquently said, I often quote you, Lisa
Speaker 1: saying this as masslessness and luminousness.
Speaker 10: So exactly that's what I mean when I when I
Speaker 10: I think that when you return to your most ultimate self,
Speaker 10: that that's what occurs, is what It's interesting language.
Speaker 8: What I'm hearing is Jim preaching Rudolph Spangler's Decline of
Speaker 8: the West. When a certain society has reached a conclusion
Speaker 8: point for the questions they've had of nature. They start
Speaker 8: to decline and shift.
Speaker 4: Right, and so is it a decline or is it entropy?
Speaker 4: And that you're inserting randomness and you're not inerting chaos,
Speaker 4: you're inserting randomness. And so it's this movement towards disorder
Speaker 4: in order to promote order. And it's almost like the
Speaker 4: Swastika itself, in its spiral or it's infiniteness, is trying
Speaker 4: to reset or maybe with the rail or the Nazis,
Speaker 4: we're trying to do is to throw the cards up
Speaker 4: in the air so that they can create randomness in
Speaker 4: order to reset the deck in their favor in odds.
Speaker 3: And that's I think.
Speaker 4: I think when we concentrate on the actual swastika and
Speaker 4: talk about systems or government systems, we are being so
Speaker 4: myopic in our thoughts. It has nothing to do with Matt,
Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with the current government systems
Speaker 4: that are in existence today. It has everything to do
Speaker 4: with creating randomness so that we can reset the odds
Speaker 4: in our favor or whoever is holding the cards rather
Speaker 4: or at least attempting to.
Speaker 1: Ecoherence. I think that's exactly that's one of the key words. Further,
Speaker 1: if you want to call it the aon. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's at least exactly what she said, encapsulated perfectly.
Speaker 3: Heard of sailor he burned it all down with a
Speaker 3: chaotic mentality, so you can rebuild rebellious mentality.
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, because if you think about World War Two,
Speaker 4: let's just be honest, it had nothing to do with
Speaker 4: the Nazis. It had everything to do with occultism. It
Speaker 4: did nothing to do anything other than I'm going to
Speaker 4: take your toys because I want to be a more
Speaker 4: powerful magician.
Speaker 6: Was it?
Speaker 15: That was it?
Speaker 11: That's all pretty much. That's what I think.
Speaker 8: It's Oswald Stangler. I kept saying Rudolph, but it's Oswald
Speaker 8: Spangler clime of the West. He was not part of
Speaker 8: the Nazi Party, but he was making a quantitative review
Speaker 8: of the different societies that had risen up and then
Speaker 8: fallen down. And so what he concluded was when they
Speaker 8: had answered the questions that started those societies, then they
Speaker 8: ended up declining and shifting into something else. And so
Speaker 8: I think that's a really potent examination of history. Is
Speaker 8: because all of this stuff comes from the mind. First,
Speaker 8: you know, and so the mind of the people participating
Speaker 8: in that society end up creating the aggrigores that can
Speaker 8: be answered or declined, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 8: that whole shift, I think is pretty specific to what
Speaker 8: we're going through now in the United States and why
Speaker 8: it's so poland you know, it all draws back into itself.
Speaker 3: Also, the Nazis knew that they couldn't show the world
Speaker 3: certain aspects of their full character, especially the occult stuff,
Speaker 3: And that's why we're playing catch up right now, and
Speaker 3: a lot of people are finding that there's a lot
Speaker 3: of information out there that's kind of been hanging out
Speaker 3: in the shadows. Like you can't just watch a lot
Speaker 3: of World War two documentaries and expect to know the
Speaker 3: full nature of what went down with that war. And like,
Speaker 3: the Nazis were really good at masking certain elements of
Speaker 3: their character. Like even when they held the Olympics, they
Speaker 3: put on a totally different, you know, facade for the world.
Speaker 3: They stopped being racist to the Jews out in the streets,
Speaker 3: and you know, they were harassing Jewish businesses. They stopped
Speaker 3: all that, and they did other things they put on
Speaker 3: They put on a mask for the camera. They knew
Speaker 3: how to mask this stuff. And even like if you
Speaker 3: look at the story of Hitler and the clairvoyant han Nussen,
Speaker 3: Hitler kind of used him, got him on a chanologe
Speaker 3: out of him, including occult knowledge and how to use
Speaker 3: mandrake root and all kinds of stuff for ritual purposes.
Speaker 3: And then they killed that guy. They killed him, so
Speaker 3: they cleaned up after themselves, especially with this occult stuff.
Speaker 8: There's so many good examples of people that have escaped
Speaker 8: from both Nazism and Communism because it seemed like dueling magicians, right,
Speaker 8: and you see a lot of this because, uh, if
Speaker 8: you look at how the Nazis rescued El Duccea, the
Speaker 8: boss of Italy, is they used a bunch of dowsers.
Speaker 1: They were.
Speaker 3: Divination that story, it's awesome.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
Speaker 8: They were also using it to do sub hunting. They
Speaker 8: were using dowsers to show them where these different submarines
Speaker 8: were in the Atlantic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was an admiral in the Nazi navy who had.
Speaker 8: Nazis who beat the Nazis, Jerald Gardner with his Cone
Speaker 8: of power. Have you ever heard of the Cone of power? Ritual?
Speaker 8: Within Wika. It's the polar symbolism. You're just going around
Speaker 8: in a circle and you're building up energy and you're
Speaker 8: driving it out towards whatever target you want it to be.
Speaker 8: And they did the Code of Power ritual to disrupt
Speaker 8: Nazi dowsing, which creates an at a luma, right. I
Speaker 8: mean you're creating a figure eight every time you're dowsing
Speaker 8: with the with the pendulums over a map. So that's
Speaker 8: plar symbolism over a solar symbolism.
Speaker 2: Even in Freemasonry, the.
Speaker 6: What is it?
Speaker 10: The plumb line is a known world access symbol, which
Speaker 10: reminds me very much of a pendulum.
Speaker 8: Right there you go.
Speaker 2: So one of the things I was.
Speaker 10: Going to bring up as well is, you know Vrill
Speaker 10: was brought up several times, right, and so I have
Speaker 10: a take on what's going on there with that. It's
Speaker 10: been honestly years since I really dove into that information.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 10: One of the things I heard recently as well is
Speaker 10: like the well known photos of the women of that society,
Speaker 10: Maria or Sik and stuff like that, they do look doctored,
Speaker 10: they really do. It's very very soft, sort of lock
Speaker 10: in deep than using photoshop.
Speaker 13: Damn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, while he's frozen, Mario, you froz there for a second.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I miss far that, But I will
Speaker 3: agree with you on that. I can't find a lot
Speaker 3: of credibility to any of those real society pictures.
Speaker 2: But what were we saying, right, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 10: Well, one of the details that really interested me years
Speaker 10: ago when I was diving through all this stuff was
Speaker 10: the relationship to al Debaron. And this is a massive
Speaker 10: royal star in Taurus, right, it's the eye of the bull.
Speaker 10: So in the Taurus constellation you have two stars that
Speaker 10: represent its eyes. You have al Debaran or Aldebaran, and
Speaker 10: then you have Eyeen, which is like Hebrew for I itself, right,
Speaker 10: And Taurus and bull and cow symbolism has been something
Speaker 10: that I've been interested in for a very very long time. Actually,
Speaker 10: it was one of my first deep dive rabbit holes,
Speaker 10: was the cow and the bowl, and so I've always
Speaker 10: been interested in it. And then, of course you can't
Speaker 10: get interested, or you can't dive into Taurus symbolism the
Speaker 10: constellation without getting into the Pleiades as well, right, the
Speaker 10: Seven Sisters it's often called. And so one of the
Speaker 10: things that real society. You know, Lore basically says is
Speaker 10: that they were in contact with their ancestry from El Debaron, right.
Speaker 10: And so to me, I find a lot of symbolism
Speaker 10: connected to Taurus and the Pleiades very intriguing when people
Speaker 10: make reference to either it being an exit out of here,
Speaker 10: a gateway here, or that they're ancestry or that they're
Speaker 10: in touch, you know, with you know, other beings or
Speaker 10: what have you, from that neck of the woods in
Speaker 10: the heavens.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 10: And so my personal take is that this axis between
Speaker 10: Taurus and Scorpio is actually a newer modern axis that
Speaker 10: basically took off during the Solar Age, during heliocentric times.
Speaker 10: And so with Taurus again you have aldeboron massive royal star,
Speaker 10: and then opposite of Taurus is Scorpio, and you have
Speaker 10: in Terras, which is the heart of the scorpion, right.
Speaker 2: And so between Taurus.
Speaker 10: And Scorpio, it's been referred to as Taurus has been
Speaker 10: referred to as the I believe the silver gates or
Speaker 10: the golden gate, can't remember which ones which, And then
Speaker 10: Scorpio has been referred to as the opposite a golden
Speaker 10: gate or a silver gate.
Speaker 2: Taurus has been referred to.
Speaker 10: As basically the gateway to Hell because it is opposite
Speaker 10: of Scorpio, and its opposite of the galactic center. Right Scorpio,
Speaker 10: when you're looking towards it, you're actually looking towards the
Speaker 10: galactic center. So this axis is really important. And so
Speaker 10: my personal opinion is that actually all of the axis
Speaker 10: polarity signs in this zodiac are also really important. And
Speaker 10: so you can look at the zodiac if you're going
Speaker 10: by twelve signs, you can study the twelve signs. Obviously
Speaker 10: I do encourage that. That's what I do on my
Speaker 10: channel all the time. But it's almost as though there's
Speaker 10: like six pairs of signs, right, So there's six sort
Speaker 10: of axises that across.
Speaker 2: The ecliptic.
Speaker 10: And so my opinion is that all of these axis
Speaker 10: polarity pairings actually are all emblematic of the original axis.
Speaker 10: Basically that this vertical orientation during a more golden age,
Speaker 10: Hyperborian age, polar age, whatever you want to say, that
Speaker 10: was the primary axis. It was vertical, and as I
Speaker 10: said earlier, there was a vertical orientation with the divine
Speaker 10: and then during heliocentric solar times everything became flattened and
Speaker 10: everything became more horizontal. So what happened was there needed
Speaker 10: to be a substitute for ursa major in the northern sky,
Speaker 10: and the best substitute was the Pleiades right next to Taurus,
Speaker 10: because it has it doesn't actually have seven main stars,
Speaker 10: it actually has six. And there's lore about the missing
Speaker 10: seventh star, about the missing seventh sister. She goes missing, basically.
Speaker 7: And so the.
Speaker 10: Symbolism associated with the northern sky and the world axis
Speaker 10: literally shifted to Taurus and Scorpio during the solar age basically,
Speaker 10: And so Guanan has written about this. There's other traditional
Speaker 10: perennial authors that have written about this about this shift.
Speaker 10: But I think also all of the polarities, all of
Speaker 10: the six axises, axes, whatever, they all represent this original
Speaker 10: axis basically.
Speaker 2: So I think this is interesting.
Speaker 10: So if you backtrack the symbolism, and I you know,
Speaker 10: symbolic shift is one thing that I didn't even realize
Speaker 10: I would get into, but I'm.
Speaker 2: Interested in it.
Speaker 10: So if you backtrack the symbolism, and we have this
Speaker 10: group who says that they're in touch with their ancestry
Speaker 10: or ets from this place in the heavens, and they look, Ariyan,
Speaker 10: you know, to me, this just echoes back to this
Speaker 10: northern symbolism basically that we've been talking about, and so
Speaker 10: to me, that's more of a clearer sort of picture. Also,
Speaker 10: the northern sky ursa major. If you look at the
Speaker 10: Dendari zodiac, the Egyptian den de arizodiac, which I know
Speaker 10: that's like a later creation or whatever. Ursa major is
Speaker 10: a bull's thigh. It's the thigh of the bull, also
Speaker 10: called the thigh of set. So there's literally northern bull
Speaker 10: symbolism also attached to that portion of the heavens. So
Speaker 10: I just think that there was this great shift from
Speaker 10: what was going on up there, including some bull stuff,
Speaker 10: and then got shifted over to that neck of the woods.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's Flenny, it's funny. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Even if the real society was just a lot of
Speaker 3: about nothing, a lot to do about nothing, maybe there
Speaker 3: is something there. I don't want to discount it totally,
Speaker 3: but let's just say there's no real society. Some of
Speaker 3: the other the Ata society or in the Two Ley Society.
Speaker 3: Those guys was, like I said, they were in all
Speaker 3: these other orders. What they were trying to do was
Speaker 3: this was like a cult renaissance that's happening in around
Speaker 3: the turn of the century in Germany, and these guys
Speaker 3: are trying to bring back in this area and symbolism
Speaker 3: and bring back in what they believe was an area
Speaker 3: of bloodline. So they're trying to reconnect with it. And
Speaker 3: I think that's what the Nazi Party was born out
Speaker 3: of real society or no real society.
Speaker 7: It's funny, ya I was mentioning play.
Speaker 6: It is because when you look at plays from the
Speaker 6: tainos Uh, they usually looked at it as a time
Speaker 6: for agriculture needs. That's when they usually when the reigning
Speaker 6: season used to start to begin. But then you have
Speaker 6: in the Popo Vu which you have the four hundred
Speaker 6: boys who are creating the plaidy system. And then if
Speaker 6: you look at the Book of Ena, you have according
Speaker 6: to the Hagadah, the angel Shimazi listed after a Median
Speaker 6: name is ta' is Tahar, and that's basically where they
Speaker 6: get God re warded is Tahar for her by commemorating
Speaker 6: her as the seven star constellation plates. So you have
Speaker 6: the seven star complaites everywhere from and it's usually has
Speaker 6: something to do with agricultural needs. So that that's very
Speaker 6: interesting because once it meets a certain point in the sky,
Speaker 6: that's when the rainy season will happened, and that's when
Speaker 6: they need to start doing agriculture. Where you also got
Speaker 6: to remember the Seven Sisters were also known as the
Speaker 6: four hundred Boys. That's the ones from the Popo Vu
Speaker 6: who created the plate system because a giant basically brought
Speaker 6: down their house and then they became the four hundred Boys.
Speaker 6: So it's interesting y'all was talking about the plate system.
Speaker 7: Very interesting.
Speaker 1: What you said, Tyrone was really interesting to me simply
Speaker 1: because in Taoism, the nine emperor gods are also considered
Speaker 1: to be the sons who compose the pliates. Now, this
Speaker 1: is an ancient ancient like Sean Dai see sort of
Speaker 1: Daoist proto Daoist pria Daoist idea, but it's continued onward
Speaker 1: to this day, and they there's a conflation that has
Speaker 1: happened over the last like two thousand years where sometimes
Speaker 1: they get associated with different constellations, different planets. It's never
Speaker 1: quite the same. But the oldest story is that they
Speaker 1: are the sons of the Emperor, the Jade Emperor usually
Speaker 1: but not always, who then can comprize excuse me, the Pleiades.
Speaker 1: And then also to what Mario was saying, there's a
Speaker 1: really interesting story from Nepal that says that the Matracas
Speaker 1: or the Pleiades sisters who are called mothers, not sisters,
Speaker 1: but that can also they can also be called sisters,
Speaker 1: so it can be either or there's actually eight so
Speaker 1: ashta matraca, so then that means that there's a hidden ninth,
Speaker 1: so that can be understood. But then also goes back
Speaker 1: to what Tyrone said. So the swastika would have been
Speaker 1: that symbol that Lisa said, the swasti to the quarterly
Speaker 1: turn of every year, it would worship a quadrant in
Speaker 1: the form of the goddess riding a lion. Then she
Speaker 1: would divide maybe into like the oldest one that we
Speaker 1: know is called the knavroa tree, so the nine nights.
Speaker 1: So then it becomes like a nine spoke wheel with
Speaker 1: Dirga in the center. And sometimes you can add Shiva
Speaker 1: in to make that hidden eleventh that Mario reference, because
Speaker 1: Shiva really is your mind, it's not it's like the
Speaker 1: person witnessing. You could say the wheel turning. So I
Speaker 1: just I thought that was really.
Speaker 6: Interesting yeah, you can even go back to the to
Speaker 6: the Dogone tribe. If you go back to the Dogone tribe,
Speaker 6: they even connect to the seven seven sisters or the
Speaker 6: platy system, and that represented men and fish.
Speaker 8: So this is very Shiva first appeared to Brahma as
Speaker 8: a massive poll that stretched thousands of trillions of miles
Speaker 8: in either direction.
Speaker 1: And Shiva can be am in his own piranhas though.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I was talking about, shocked deep.
Speaker 8: Piranhas, right, But I'm just saying, like, very literally, Shiva
Speaker 8: was a poll at one time to demonstrate how far
Speaker 8: he could reach in either direction. So I mean that's
Speaker 8: that's polar symbolism, up, down, left and right.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 11: Tyrone? You done?
Speaker 7: Yeah? What's that was up?
Speaker 11: You done?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I was done.
Speaker 2: I was just showing some.
Speaker 6: Sources from the Tainos to the to the Popo Vu
Speaker 6: to the Book.
Speaker 2: Of Vena, you know. And I mean you can go
Speaker 2: anywhere with with.
Speaker 6: The seven Sisters and play, because each one of them
Speaker 6: has their own understanding. But it's a certain part or
Speaker 6: time in the life where they only worship that that sunrise.
Speaker 2: Or that that that star, what you want to call it.
Speaker 6: So it's just very interesting because it has to I mean,
Speaker 6: it goes back to the raining system, season and agriculture.
Speaker 6: And what was very interesting what he was talking about
Speaker 6: when he was talking about the cows and bulls and
Speaker 6: stuff like that. A lot of people don't know this,
Speaker 6: but if you live by a farm, most cows or
Speaker 6: bulls when they when they excrete, uh, their ship basically
Speaker 6: creates some type of a psychedelic mushroom like it's found
Speaker 6: in their psychedelic like certain type of mushroom grows under
Speaker 6: their poop basically, right.
Speaker 7: And some people are known to take that and to
Speaker 7: eat it and have a psychedelic adventure. I guess you
Speaker 7: could say.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: And that's why the bulls, the cows and so on
Speaker 6: and so forth in certain countries, they're they're sacred animals
Speaker 6: because they're the closest that we can get to what
Speaker 6: we know as the godhead are outside of our consciousness
Speaker 6: or something like that. So it's very interesting because in America, UH,
Speaker 6: they have to inject these cows with certain types of vaccine,
Speaker 6: so they don't create that enzyme to create that type
Speaker 6: of enzyme in the poop which would create that that type.
Speaker 7: Of mushroom where they can go on a psychedelic trip.
Speaker 10: I just want to add a few things here. One
Speaker 10: that reminds me that I have a book by this
Speaker 10: woman named Judy K. King and it's called The Isis Thesis,
Speaker 10: and according to her breakdown, oh boy.
Speaker 7: Oh we've lost them.
Speaker 3: Uh oh, I think he made a good.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, So Judy K.
Speaker 10: King and the Isis Thesis was saying that at one
Speaker 10: point in time, according to her decoding of the Egyptian hieroglyphs,
Speaker 10: that the Egyptians had this understanding of going to the
Speaker 10: Northern Sky upon death, and that they refer to the
Speaker 10: opening at the Northern sky as the horn of a
Speaker 10: great bull as well, right tars more more bull symbolism
Speaker 10: going on up there.
Speaker 2: Also.
Speaker 10: I just want to mentioned too, if people want my
Speaker 10: full take on the Pleiades and this whole polar to
Speaker 10: solar shift and why people associate these things with the
Speaker 10: bleedies in today's world, I have a presentation called the Palladians,
Speaker 10: and so you can watch that and it's my full
Speaker 10: breakdown on that. One of the things I mentioned there
Speaker 10: is that Atlas, the Greek Atlas who held up the
Speaker 10: heavens or in modern sort of context he holds up
Speaker 10: the world, but in old illustrations, he's actually holding up
Speaker 10: the firmament.
Speaker 2: He's holding up the night sky. Basically.
Speaker 10: The seven Sisters are his daughters basically. And so to me,
Speaker 10: what this suggests is that he is a world axis
Speaker 10: symbol and that he's a pillar basically in the middle
Speaker 10: of Earth holding up the vault of heaven. But in
Speaker 10: modern contexts, he's now holding up the world. You know,
Speaker 10: this is post heliocentrism more than likely, is my guests, right,
Speaker 10: people did not have this globular, sort of spherical idea
Speaker 10: of Earth, you know.
Speaker 8: Mario, Mario, the bone at the base of your skull
Speaker 8: is called the Atlas bone, correct, Yeah, because it's holding
Speaker 8: up the entire skull, the entire night sky, and all
Speaker 8: of the memories of the Greeks were put into the
Speaker 8: night sky and the asterisms of these different constellations. So
Speaker 8: you've got a huge asterism, polar memory constellation crossover between
Speaker 8: all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, exactly, for sure.
Speaker 3: You've got that head piece of Isis too that always
Speaker 3: struck me as looking like the Taras symbol.
Speaker 1: Mmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, definitely related. Absolutely.
Speaker 10: You know, that kind of reminds me a little bit
Speaker 10: of if there's an isis equivalent in the tarot, you
Speaker 10: can make the argument that the High Priestess, you know
Speaker 10: she sometimes all also has kind of like this head
Speaker 10: dress sort of thing. It just reminds me of you know,
Speaker 10: cow horns basically, and she's sitting where always right in
Speaker 10: between two pillars. She's the transcendental central pillar basically.
Speaker 4: What you said about the Seven Sisters, sorry, the seven Sisters.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of the genetic experiment where they have
Speaker 4: determined I don't know if it's been modified since, but
Speaker 4: they've determined that every single human being has come one women.
Speaker 4: It's called the seven Daughters of Eve theory. And so
Speaker 4: when they trace back all mitochondrial DNA, they're all traced
Speaker 4: back to at least one of the seven Daughters of
Speaker 4: Eve quote unquote women that have ever existed.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's interesting, you know, because there's so much overlapping symbolism.
Speaker 10: God Is symbolism with the number seven is nuts. You know,
Speaker 10: Virgin Mary had seven Sorrows of Christ or Mary, and then.
Speaker 4: Also seven sisters in the constellation.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, exactly for sure, there's something else I was
Speaker 10: going to say about that, but yeah, that's fascinating.
Speaker 3: Does that have to do with some sort of there's
Speaker 3: seven women who have different genetics that produce different types
Speaker 3: of people.
Speaker 4: Well, they have at least traced it back to seven
Speaker 4: origins of women because mitochondrial DNA, and I'm sure you
Speaker 4: know mitochondrial DNA is only passed down maternally. So when
Speaker 4: you look at mitochondrial DNA, you are looking at the
Speaker 4: maternal line. And if you can trace it all the
Speaker 4: way back, you can pretty much start to piece people
Speaker 4: together in terms of what maternal line they're coming from
Speaker 4: based on haploid groups. And so when they've tried to
Speaker 4: take it all the way back, they can at least
Speaker 4: pinpoint it down to at least seven different haplogroups. And
Speaker 4: if you're looking at mitochondrial DNA, then you're looking at
Speaker 4: a maternal line, So haplogroups maternal line, right.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Yeah, I was gonna say, Lady Babylon and the
Speaker 10: Babylon Star seven point in star has seven's all throughout it.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna do it at some point. This is probably
Speaker 10: way too premature to announce anything. It doesn't really matter,
Speaker 10: But I'm going to do a presentation about Lady Babylon
Speaker 10: being a Northern goddess. It makes too much sense. It's
Speaker 10: what the deal is in my estimation. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 10: Sara is there is with Lady Babylon, I would imagine.
Speaker 10: So I tend to see similarities over differences, so I
Speaker 10: may not be the right person to ask about that
Speaker 10: I believe it or not.
Speaker 11: The reason I've even put this image up.
Speaker 5: Some of the stuff we talked about is actually believe
Speaker 5: it or not in this image, so like when people
Speaker 5: don't know like what an occultist is thinking about when
Speaker 5: they create something in h there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 5: in this.
Speaker 11: The eyeballs in here, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 10: I was also going to mention to someone brought up
Speaker 10: the pleats and fish symbolism and whatever. The oceanic aquatic
Speaker 10: symbolism with the northern sky is completely off the charts
Speaker 10: as well. And one example of that is the stop
Speaker 10: the Rishis or the seven rishis, the seven stages being
Speaker 10: like fishmen or traveling by a fish like as an
Speaker 10: arc or a boat to Earth. Right, They're always associated, seemingly,
Speaker 10: you know, with with fish symbolism, in one way, shape
Speaker 10: or form. So the idea of like seven gods coming
Speaker 10: from the northern sky is kind of a classic thing.
Speaker 11: Even in the voyinage, you know.
Speaker 5: I thought it was interesting how we talked about the
Speaker 5: seven sisters had always had seven women, and it was
Speaker 5: agriculture in a sense. It had all these plants and
Speaker 5: different shin in it, and there was always they were
Speaker 5: always green like the women, which made me think of
Speaker 5: like net sock, and you know, you could have a
Speaker 5: female I mean, yeah, net sock, so.
Speaker 11: Which usual.
Speaker 2: Totally totally yeah, yeah, another thing I did.
Speaker 11: Want to try it do if possible. I can't forget
Speaker 11: about it. I wanted to go over the hexagram ritual,
Speaker 11: but my voice is too fucked up.
Speaker 4: If you want, I can you want to talk about Midnight?
Speaker 5: Oh no, even the ritual it's called the hexagram, so
Speaker 5: obviously you get a hexagram. There's the LVX formula. At
Speaker 5: one point you make the swastika. That ritual existed before
Speaker 5: World War two, so in a ritual that was used
Speaker 5: by a lot of magicians already incorporated the hexagram. Because
Speaker 5: you're you're drawing that as well as you're doing it,
Speaker 5: and you're throwing up the fucking swastika in it as well.
Speaker 11: It's even said.
Speaker 5: And then what's interesting is that if you don't want
Speaker 5: to use the swastika, you can put you one harm
Speaker 5: up and one that way, and you know, like almost
Speaker 5: making like now I'm sorting to wonder is that like
Speaker 5: some sort of access as well or some of a
Speaker 5: weird thing like it's just to me, you know, instead
Speaker 5: of making the swastika if that has to do with
Speaker 5: you know, a polar.
Speaker 11: And shit, I don't know.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I mean so when Crowley released his thought deck,
Speaker 10: he included three magician cards and the well known Magician card.
Speaker 2: There's a pole right behind the magician.
Speaker 10: It's almost like he's ascending the pole in one way, right,
Speaker 10: He's like floating upwards. But one of the alternative versions
Speaker 10: is a figure the magician in that same position, and
Speaker 10: I'm assuming it's the same swasika position, and he's nude,
Speaker 10: so his falluc is showing basically, and so so he's
Speaker 10: associating that with the Magician card like absolutely, which makes
Speaker 10: sense because again it's it's a sign of the poll,
Speaker 10: it's a symbol of the pole.
Speaker 6: So here's the mitochondria that mass scientist was talking about
Speaker 6: the halfa glus and the seven Daughters. You got Ursula, Zina, Helena, Canapera,
Speaker 6: Swedish Tara or Kentepera Tara, I'm sorry, Velda, Tara, Katrine
Speaker 6: and Jasmine, and then you got halflo group you hv
Speaker 6: t kJ and it gives you a.
Speaker 7: Breakdown on it. And it was a book that was
Speaker 7: written by Brian Sykes that talks the daughters of the
Speaker 7: gene yep.
Speaker 4: So now I don't know if it's been updated since,
Speaker 4: but the last time I remember, I read this book
Speaker 4: and I remember and it's been controversial that, you know,
Speaker 4: people have said, no, the way his methodology wasn't correct
Speaker 4: or whatever, but it's it's held up a little bit
Speaker 4: more than what people said that it did.
Speaker 6: But to me, yeah, I actually did a podcast discussion
Speaker 6: with a geneticist and I talk a lot about HAPLO
Speaker 6: group E one B one B with him and it's
Speaker 6: just very interesting because you know, they take haplo groups
Speaker 6: from what they consider the closest Homo sapien that we
Speaker 6: are related to. But the thing is is that I,
Speaker 6: even as a Homo sapien, our changes have been drastic three.
Speaker 7: Hundred thousand years to where we are now.
Speaker 6: So what do you really consider on homo safety and
Speaker 6: sapient and where do you consider that you know, the
Speaker 6: first half of group to come from, because we know
Speaker 6: that there's been like what they quote unquote say human
Speaker 6: light species from around the world. So I mean, you
Speaker 6: got the seven continents.
Speaker 7: I mean, let's just go with that.
Speaker 10: Also, I just want to say the number seven correspondence
Speaker 10: with the North is so strong that if you look
Speaker 10: at older Latin maps, the north is labeled as sept
Speaker 10: in trio right, sept as in like septinary septenary number seven, right,
Speaker 10: And so even there's all sorts of lore and things
Speaker 10: to talk about with set also basically being related to
Speaker 10: sept pretty much and September actually being a reference to
Speaker 10: the number seven, and so it's so intrinsically tied that
Speaker 10: you'll see literally a reference to the number seven it
Speaker 10: maps for the northern portion of Earth.
Speaker 3: So it seems to me like that the seven dollars
Speaker 3: of Eve doesn't really work with their well, with the
Speaker 3: out of Africa thing, and you know, just that's just
Speaker 3: my perspective upon seeing this today. But I saw that
Speaker 3: they had something of the Swedish groups meant mentioned in
Speaker 3: there as well. And I'll just throw this in real quick,
Speaker 3: like that Swedish Norway dynasty possibly started by Odin if
Speaker 3: we're to believe thor Heyerda's research, they come out of
Speaker 3: the caucacious mountains, as did some of the Hindu groups
Speaker 3: that went to India, like the Brahmin class. They came
Speaker 3: from a cacustious mountains, if I can say that correctly.
Speaker 3: And that's known because of DNA tests, And I think
Speaker 3: I mentioned this earlier by missing it again because that
Speaker 3: means like you got two groups there that seemingly look
Speaker 3: to be very unrelated about Swedish people and people in India.
Speaker 3: They don't, but if you go back far enough, it's
Speaker 3: all seemingly one group that they came out of. And
Speaker 3: to touch on Lisa's point, maybe they were using that
Speaker 3: maternal blowoodline as well as And part of the bloodline
Speaker 3: has to do with carrying off along the knowledge of
Speaker 3: your ancestors and the symbols of your ancestors like the swastika.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think one of the things that we
Speaker 4: have to bear in mind is that the sun wasn't
Speaker 4: shining as hot as it did today as it did
Speaker 4: back then. The sun has gone through different seasons, whether
Speaker 4: it's every eleven years or whether it's every one hundred
Speaker 4: thousand years. So what we look at in terms of
Speaker 4: melanistic groups around the world may not have been like that,
Speaker 4: or they may have been like that depending on the
Speaker 4: intensity of the sun. Or if we believe that the
Speaker 4: poles have shifted in that the North Pole is not
Speaker 4: where the North Pole is today, but it was somewhere
Speaker 4: around Jonson. I mean, we're talking about a whole different
Speaker 4: shift of you know people, you know, land masses and
Speaker 4: what have you. So I don't think, you know, to
Speaker 4: not hold on into exactly the map that we see
Speaker 4: today as being the ultimate, you know, end all be all.
Speaker 3: I think that's important to keep in mind.
Speaker 10: The map is not the terrain as well. Right, every
Speaker 10: model is just like it's an example of something. It
Speaker 10: may give you a good idea about something, but it's
Speaker 10: not the actual thing itself. So no matter what map
Speaker 10: you're talking about or whatever model you're talking about.
Speaker 9: So I find it interesting there's the Denisovan subspecies of
Speaker 9: humans too, and I suppose they're not in that seven,
Speaker 9: but the Tibetans happen to have like the most trace
Speaker 9: remnants of Denisovan beings in them, and they also have
Speaker 9: that tradition. I want to excuse me prediction I wanted
Speaker 9: to mention before of when the wheel comes to Tibet,
Speaker 9: it'll be the end of their current current phase of culture.
Speaker 9: So yeah, the Denisovan strand is interesting. I wonder at
Speaker 9: least if you know about that.
Speaker 3: So they just found recently there's a Didysovan discovery that
Speaker 3: was just made out of Siberia. It's a forty thousand
Speaker 3: year old bracelet was found, very well crafted and circular
Speaker 3: to go along with that what you're saying. So, and
Speaker 3: if you look up denis Ovan's I mean they kind
Speaker 3: of look they're kind of look they look like cave people,
Speaker 3: like some of the drawings I've seen. They wouldn't, you know,
Speaker 3: cave people don't make bracelets like this.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think also isn't I mean, I don't like,
Speaker 4: one hundred percent die on the hill of seven dollars
Speaker 4: of Eve.
Speaker 3: It's just a theory.
Speaker 4: It's just you know, what the genetic experiment showed at
Speaker 4: the time when it was when the theory was published.
Speaker 4: But the other thing is I think we have to
Speaker 4: look at you you look at bears, you know, polar bears,
Speaker 4: black bearris, you know whatever. The polar bear is going
Speaker 4: to be extremely different than the black bear down in Texas.
Speaker 4: But they are ursa, you know, of genus, and I
Speaker 4: think that they are adapted to their environment. They have
Speaker 4: to be otherwise they're not going to survive. And so
Speaker 4: when you're looking at the peoples of Siberia, they would
Speaker 4: have to be larger, they would have to behave esque
Speaker 4: because in order to you know, increase in surface area
Speaker 4: increases survivability versus you know, in Central America, you know,
Speaker 4: I'll say it native, indigenous, or shorter, you know whatever,
Speaker 4: and smaller and more adaptable to that type of environment.
Speaker 4: So and like what Tyroone was saying, I mean, there
Speaker 4: are many what's it called. It's it's not just Homo sapien.
Speaker 4: There's been Homo erectus, Homo habilis, Homo, I mean, it
Speaker 4: just the list goes on and on and on, and
Speaker 4: I think this is where you see the mess, the
Speaker 4: mixing of the different genus species to ultimately get where
Speaker 4: we are today. So yeah, I would agree the Denisovians
Speaker 4: do not look anything like they people from Central America
Speaker 4: or the toll Techs, you know what. You know, they
Speaker 4: were saying that the toll TECs have probably the most
Speaker 4: happler groups of old people that they've ever surveyed.
Speaker 10: So yeah, this is reminding me just one way of
Speaker 10: looking at things symbolically. Some polar i guess advocates, enthusiasts, whatever,
Speaker 10: I have mentioned this idea that the world tree in
Speaker 10: the polar Age had seven branches, but in the Solar
Speaker 10: Age it has twelve, which I think is kind of
Speaker 10: interesting and symbolically at least relevant.
Speaker 8: Well, weren't you saying that there were seven constellations closer
Speaker 8: to the pole back in the polar Age.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've heard several ways of it being put. I've
Speaker 10: heard that there's seven seven stationed zodiac close to the
Speaker 10: pole star, also eight constellations around the pole star, and
Speaker 10: the example I usually bring up this is probably what
Speaker 10: you're thinking of, But in one of my resources, the
Speaker 10: guy was making the claim that there were eight constellations
Speaker 10: around the pole star in the polar Age, and this
Speaker 10: was in China, and that each constellation was emblematic of
Speaker 10: one of the trigrams of the eachain there's eight trigrams,
Speaker 10: sixty four hexagrams. And then when people became more solar
Speaker 10: over time for whatever reason, that those eight constellations shifted
Speaker 10: to the path of the sun. And then they added
Speaker 10: four more constellations, making twelve constellations.
Speaker 8: Is that to you get it? Grab it?
Speaker 1: That was for you.
Speaker 5: What I don't know.
Speaker 8: I thought you were the lord of the trigram.
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I don't know. It's too much about it.
Speaker 9: But it is based on it's the eight multiplied by
Speaker 9: putting two different trigrams together, so that results in the
Speaker 9: sixty four potentials. So I mean it's it's and it
Speaker 9: starts in the Dallas theory. It really goes from what
Speaker 9: is quite simple when you explain it verbally and uh
Speaker 9: mathematically if you will. But everything starts with the wuji
Speaker 9: or the nothing, and it transforms from these two. Uh
Speaker 9: you could look at them as polar forces, and that
Speaker 9: that that being the yin and yang, and that expands
Speaker 9: into four forces, the major and minor yin and yang forces.
Speaker 9: And as time went on, the trigrams were developed, and that's.
Speaker 2: Considered.
Speaker 9: It goes around the taichi, or rather what we call
Speaker 9: the yin yang symbol is the taichi, which means the
Speaker 9: grand and ultimate polarity, which is interesting to this whole phenomenon.
Speaker 9: And then they was that resulted with the with the
Speaker 9: eight trigrams, with the eaching, it puts two trigrams together,
Speaker 9: resulting in the six lines if you will, and the
Speaker 9: sixty four potentials. U Jin said something earlier that I
Speaker 9: thought was really interesting, the combining of these two forces
Speaker 9: in an axial and cyclical combination. I don't know in
Speaker 9: those symbols that you shared, it might have been in there,
Speaker 9: but the quartered circle comes to mind as being a
Speaker 9: really powerful kind of the combination of the axical and
Speaker 9: and cyclical. So yeah, the Bagua system with that that
Speaker 9: is uh, the the set of the set of hexagrams
Speaker 9: and trigrams. It's really all about the eaching, which is
Speaker 9: a great reading to explore esoteric symbolism, primal symbolism really.
Speaker 2: Right, It just we just have to mention the fact too.
Speaker 2: Whep okay, I think I cut out.
Speaker 10: I'm probably back, but you know, just symbols that rotate
Speaker 10: the wheel, the classic yin yang right symbol, which my
Speaker 10: understanding too is I think that the primordial way the
Speaker 10: ancient traditional way is counterclockwise once again, which is interesting.
Speaker 10: And then also the cancer glyph also looks like it's
Speaker 10: going counterclockwise, not clockwise. And so it's all the spin
Speaker 10: of heaven in my opinion, right, the spin of life
Speaker 10: of all things.
Speaker 11: The dice spin dradals two Yep, there you.
Speaker 10: Go, which I've heard actually started off as a German thing,
Speaker 10: that drade were more of a German thing, and then
Speaker 10: German Jews adopted it. That's my understanding of things. You know,
Speaker 10: what have you guys ever looked into dradal symbolism, by
Speaker 10: the way, I'm not I don't know if this is
Speaker 10: I mean again, if they adopted it or kind of
Speaker 10: what is it, took it for themselves or whatever cultural
Speaker 10: appropriation whatever.
Speaker 2: I heard one rabbi breaking it down. I think this
Speaker 2: is so telling that the way he broke it down.
Speaker 10: The esoteric symbolism of the dradal is that each side
Speaker 10: of the Draidl has a different Hebrew letter. Each side
Speaker 10: of the Dradl represents one of Israel's enemies, and that
Speaker 10: they constantly are on guard because they're completely they're always
Speaker 10: surrounded by people that want to kill them pretty much,
Speaker 10: and that they consider themselves to be the center of
Speaker 10: the earth, and so the dradal spins just like a
Speaker 10: top right, and so it is an axial symbol. But
Speaker 10: the way they perceived it, at least according to this rabbi,
Speaker 10: is that it's all of their enemies, constant enemies surrounding
Speaker 10: them pretty much.
Speaker 11: So fuck who jo who even wants to like live
Speaker 11: thinking like that?
Speaker 1: Fuck?
Speaker 8: So I had I had my favorite Nazi symbolism pulled
Speaker 8: up here. So my guy Gods von berd Lichingen, and
Speaker 8: let me pull him up.
Speaker 11: We gotta make this quick, as Viros got a bounce.
Speaker 8: Sorry, yeah, yeah, So Gots lived in the fifteen hundreds
Speaker 8: and he got his arm blown off by a cannon ball,
Speaker 8: and he was a mercenary soldier who fashioned for himself
Speaker 8: a fully articulated metal arm, and so they called him
Speaker 8: Gods of the metal Arm. And he he is known
Speaker 8: for the Swabian salute, which is licked me in my.
Speaker 15: Asshole, And so they told that actually a whole symphony
Speaker 15: for the Swabian salute, which was him shaking his mental
Speaker 15: arm at this lord who was trying to.
Speaker 8: Invade his castle. So the Nazis decided that this guy
Speaker 8: was their guy. So they created a whole battalion, the
Speaker 8: seventeenth Battalion, seventeenth SS Grenadier Battalion. So these guys were
Speaker 8: representing God's vonn Reerlichingen in the Nazi Wars. But what's
Speaker 8: really interesting is the connection to this completely different Japanese anime. Right,
Speaker 8: So there was a.
Speaker 11: Oh, elis.
Speaker 1: See, there we go.
Speaker 8: So have you ever heard of the book called or
Speaker 8: the anime called Berserk. It's this. It's about this dude
Speaker 8: who's got a metal arm who lives in this sort
Speaker 8: of I guess medieval age, right, and so his name
Speaker 8: is Gots and he's talking about you know, basically, let
Speaker 8: me take this off the stage. There we go. So
Speaker 8: somehow this fully articulated metal arm guy who wields a
Speaker 8: sword because that's that's what he built his arm for,
Speaker 8: so he can hold a sword at it. Strangely enough,
Speaker 8: but Guts from the book Berserk is exactly like this
Speaker 8: German character, and they're separated by hundreds of years, and
Speaker 8: there's actually no connection between the guy who wrote Berserk
Speaker 8: and God's van bur Lichingen. So it's strange that this
Speaker 8: same sort of energy reverberates over all these distant miles
Speaker 8: and years with seemingly no connection. I just thought that
Speaker 8: was interesting.
Speaker 5: I got somebody showing up with fake arms. You gotta
Speaker 5: watch out, I mean, but yeah, I can see that
Speaker 5: happening now with these though.
Speaker 8: That guy was a folk hero. He constructed a metal
Speaker 8: arm for himself. I mean, there's so much imagery in there.
Speaker 8: You got evil dead. The guy saws off his arm
Speaker 8: and then builds himself into one.
Speaker 5: He puts enough chains on the end of it, right, Ash,
Speaker 5: that's great. I think we're gonna wrap it up. I
Speaker 5: don't know if Mario is still hearing that. Maybe he
Speaker 5: leave there he is, Mario. Uh, please let everybody know
Speaker 5: where they can find all your amazing.
Speaker 11: Work, sir.
Speaker 10: Yeah, of course, Symbolic Studies dot Calm. If people are
Speaker 10: interested in tarror readings or study sessions, private lessons, things
Speaker 10: like that, they can hit me up.
Speaker 2: Definitely check out my Instagram.
Speaker 10: I think that's one of my best platforms just to
Speaker 10: get my stuff because I post a lot of short
Speaker 10: videos and you know all of that.
Speaker 2: So anyways, thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker 10: I honestly I really respect this group and I always
Speaker 10: learned something new, and you guys just always bring it.
Speaker 2: So this was a good time.
Speaker 1: Thanks much, appreciate you.
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Speaker 11: very much, Marie.
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