1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:05,639 Speaker 1: My dad is full blood American Indian and he was 2 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:08,839 into the all Indian sports in the seventies and eighties, 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,880 and some of the ball fields would be like on 4 00:00:11,759 --> 00:00:15,359 you know, restricted land, which meant you know that there 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,000 probably wasn't anybody but natives out there. I remember them 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,039 playing ball and everyone puting their headlights on so there 7 00:00:22,039 --> 00:00:23,559 would be lights for them to see. 8 00:00:23,839 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: So there was, you know, weird stuff out there. 9 00:00:26,519 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Like you just knew at certain places you didn't go 10 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:32,880 into the woods after dark. There would be whistling, big 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,679 shapes moving between the trees. So even as a little girl, 12 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:37,799 I knew that there was weird stuff. 13 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 3: Just to get us started. Tell me how all of 14 00:01:13,439 --> 00:01:14,439 this began for you. 15 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:20,239 Speaker 1: I think that the first I've seen weird things my 16 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:20,879 whole life. 17 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: But I think the first weird thing that I've seen. 18 00:01:23,799 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: I was about to saw a Native American man in 19 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,760 my closet, and when you know my parents would fight, 20 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:32,560 he would put his finger over his mouth like to 21 00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:34,519 tell me to be quiet, you know, and not make 22 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:35,079 any noise. 23 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: Oh wow, So that's the first thing I remember. 24 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:45,519 Speaker 1: But my dad is full blood American Indian and he 25 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,560 was into the all Indian sports in the seventies and eighties. Yeah, 26 00:01:50,599 --> 00:01:55,560 and so for all of my childhood was spent you know, 27 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,280 doing with him, you know. And in some of the 28 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,840 ball fields would like on you know, restricted land, right, 29 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,879 which meant which meant you know that that there. 30 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,159 Speaker 2: Probably wasn't anybody but the natives out there. And so. 31 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: I remember them playing ball and everyone turned their headlights 32 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:18,439 on so there would be lights for them to see. 33 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,680 So there was you know, weird stuff out there, Like 34 00:02:22,439 --> 00:02:25,319 you just knew at certain places you didn't go into 35 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,840 the woods after dark, there would be whistling, you know, 36 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:33,360 or you know, big big shapes moving between the trees. 37 00:02:33,439 --> 00:02:35,759 So even as a little girl, I knew, you know, 38 00:02:36,439 --> 00:02:41,000 that there was weird stuff. But I got divorced my 39 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,360 senior year of college, and I had two boys and 40 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,759 I needed to figure out how to feed them. So 41 00:02:48,199 --> 00:02:51,439 I could not find a job, and my ex husband 42 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:56,000 had been you know, the main breadwinner, and I needed 43 00:02:56,039 --> 00:03:00,159 to feed them babies. So I got convinced by a 44 00:03:00,199 --> 00:03:05,240 recruiter to join the Army reserves, right, And he told 45 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,080 me that I would just go to basic training and 46 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,360 then I do drill you know every once in a while, 47 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,039 and I would not have to leave them right right. 48 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,599 Speaker 2: That was not true, which I found out. 49 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,319 Speaker 1: So I joined in two thousand and three, and then 50 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:26,400 in March or two thousand and two. But in March 51 00:03:26,439 --> 00:03:28,400 of two thousand and three, I went to basic training 52 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,840 at Fort Leonard Wood in miss Eira. And I don't 53 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,080 know if you've ever been by there, but they call 54 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,439 it Fort Lost in the Woods because it is so 55 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:39,960 heavily wooded. 56 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: It's beautiful there. 57 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: And I hadn't been there very long, probably within the 58 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:48,840 first week of basic training, I got very sick, and 59 00:03:48,919 --> 00:03:52,719 so they put me in the hospital. And while I 60 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,479 was in the hospital, the President declared war on Iraq. 61 00:03:57,639 --> 00:04:00,800 So we were kind of on like high alert, right. 62 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,240 But I had been in the hospital for a few days, 63 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:08,039 and it was early morning and the sun was just 64 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:12,319 coming up, and I hear like an alert, like a 65 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,400 siren go. It almost sounded like a tornado siren, you know, 66 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,920 but different, And so I thought, what the uh? So 67 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,480 I got up and I went to the window of 68 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,079 my hospital room and I. 69 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:27,879 Speaker 2: Was looking around. 70 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,319 Speaker 1: I didn't see anything, you know, because in my mind, 71 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:35,120 like I thought, iraqis might be like, you know, rushing 72 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:40,800 the base or something, right, I didn't know what was 73 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:41,319 going on, But. 74 00:04:41,319 --> 00:04:42,879 Speaker 2: I was gonna go see if I could find out. 75 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:47,079 Speaker 1: Right, So I'm looking out the window and it was 76 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,439 it's from you know, outside of the window. It was 77 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,920 heavily wooded there too, And all of a sudden, I 78 00:04:54,959 --> 00:04:58,279 see this, what I thought of the time was a 79 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:03,600 very big monkey. And he came running. I guess it 80 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,759 would be from the east towards the west, I guess. 81 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:11,360 And but he was holding his arm like you would 82 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,079 if you'd hurt your elbow or your wrist. 83 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,079 Speaker 2: He was holding it with his other arm, and I thought, 84 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:16,720 what the help? 85 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,399 Speaker 1: But he was, you know, he was big, like because 86 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:21,759 I think I was on the second floor. 87 00:05:21,879 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: I know I was on the ground floor. It was 88 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,079 the second or third. 89 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,759 Speaker 1: Floor, because he wasn't very far below the bottom of 90 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,199 my window. And I was like, so then my thought 91 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,639 is okay, so do they do animal testing here? Because 92 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,399 I was like, how why is there a monkey in 93 00:05:41,439 --> 00:05:46,040 the middle of Missouri running through an army base. So 94 00:05:46,199 --> 00:05:48,680 he takes off, I mean he was so fast, like 95 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,439 he wasn't limping, but he was running and holding his arm. 96 00:05:54,879 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: I didn't see any injuries on him or anything. 97 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,959 Speaker 1: Well, maybe a minute later, all these military police come 98 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,040 behind him like they're on you know, ATVs. They're running, 99 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,680 they have weapons, and in my head, I thought, you know, 100 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,480 there's got to be an animal testing facility and he's loose. 101 00:06:12,519 --> 00:06:14,439 And my next thought was, I hope he doesn't have 102 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,560 some kind of weird disease, you know that everybody's going 103 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,319 to catch. So I only saw him for a brief time, 104 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:25,879 but he was because he was so freaking fast, and 105 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:29,399 the military police they weren't messing around. They were after 106 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:32,480 they went the same way he did, you know. So 107 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:36,800 like then I thought, well, you know exactly how sick 108 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:47,560 am I? So I rang the nurse and she came 109 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,800 in there and I asked her if there was an 110 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,639 animal testing facility on site and she was like, what, no, 111 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,759 And I said, She said, why would you ask that? 112 00:06:57,879 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: And I said, well, I just saw a huge. 113 00:06:59,519 --> 00:07:02,079 Speaker 1: Monkey's gonna buy and I know they had locked the 114 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:08,000 building down because it came over the speakers. So she 115 00:07:08,199 --> 00:07:10,079 told me, and she was kind of grumpy, you know. 116 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,920 She told me to stay in my bed, get away 117 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:15,560 from the window, and don't get out of the bed 118 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:17,800 unless I needed to go to the restroom, and then 119 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:18,639 I need to call her. 120 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,319 Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, but and that was it. 121 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I never did hear, you know, 122 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,079 any weapons fire. I didn't you know, never saw him 123 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:33,879 again after about maybe an hour. They I guess lockdown 124 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:35,519 was ever with because I did get out of the 125 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:37,439 bed and was still looking out the window and people 126 00:07:37,639 --> 00:07:39,120 you know, had started moving around. 127 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:43,399 Speaker 3: Yeah again, so how far away was it from you? 128 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,639 Speaker 2: Oh? He wasn't far at all, Like I can still 129 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:48,879 see it in my head. 130 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:54,959 Speaker 1: Probably maybe ten or fifty maybe ten yards maybe ten yards. 131 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: So he was running through the trees. He he had this. 132 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,279 Speaker 1: Look on his face like, you know, I felt sorry 133 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:05,319 for him because he he had this look on his 134 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,399 face like he was scared. 135 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so like I just felt sad for him. 136 00:08:14,959 --> 00:08:18,319 Speaker 1: But I also was trying to figure out, you know exactly, 137 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:21,199 you know, do I have a head injury or yeah? 138 00:08:21,519 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: You know what what a crazy scenario, Like I've that 139 00:08:27,319 --> 00:08:28,759 was not what I was not expecting. 140 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: That what were you expecting? You know? 141 00:08:34,519 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 3: I've heard a few stories from people, you know, from 142 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:42,399 military bases, and it's usually just you know, they're on 143 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,720 a drill or they're standing guard or something. You know, 144 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,759 they're at post, and like they catch a glimpse of something, 145 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:57,120 but I mean, like this thing was injured and then 146 00:08:57,159 --> 00:09:02,120 you had, you know, basically in hot pursuit after it. 147 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:06,679 I mean, so clearly this was like they knew what 148 00:09:06,799 --> 00:09:09,240 was going on, they knew. 149 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: It was there, and they didn't seem, you know, like 150 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,039 they weren't freaked out like I was, right. So that 151 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,080 made me later when I was trying to think about it, 152 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,559 that made me think that they you know, I mean, 153 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,759 because most normal people, if they see something like that, 154 00:09:23,799 --> 00:09:26,919 they're gonna be freaking scared to death, and they weren't. 155 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,799 Speaker 3: You saw it, and your head just immediately goes to, 156 00:09:31,159 --> 00:09:34,120 you know, monkey, That's the the closest thing that you 157 00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:38,639 can probably associate it with, Like why on earth is 158 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,440 there a monkey on the military base? But that would 159 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,120 be the only thing that would even make any sense, 160 00:09:45,159 --> 00:09:48,440 Like you're talking about animal testing stuff like that, But 161 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:54,440 definitely you associated it with an animal, is kind of 162 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,679 what I'm getting at. So I'm thinking from the perspective 163 00:09:57,799 --> 00:10:02,519 of military police, if they saw an injured animal on base, 164 00:10:02,639 --> 00:10:06,519 of course they would radio that in. It wouldn't be 165 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,759 like a pursuit type situation where they're chasing it down 166 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,919 or anything, right. 167 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: And it was like, you know, if you kicked a 168 00:10:14,399 --> 00:10:17,399 bee hive, because they were in hot pursuit and there 169 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,399 was a lot of them and they had weapons. 170 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,879 Speaker 3: Which is crazy, Like that's crazy. I mean, So how 171 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:27,320 big was this thing? What did it look like to you? 172 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:33,279 Speaker 2: Okay, so you know, he was huge. 173 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: Like, like I said, I was on not the first floor, 174 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:38,159 so I think I was on the second street and 175 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,799 he was not. His head was not that far below me. 176 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,639 But he's like the skin on his face was gray, 177 00:10:47,039 --> 00:10:50,480 kind of like a like charcoal ash if it's kind 178 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,080 of been rained on. Yeah, and so were his hands 179 00:10:55,799 --> 00:10:58,360 and his face kind of because the first thing I 180 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:02,320 thought of was chimpanzee. But I thought there must be 181 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,480 something wrong with him because he have you ever seen 182 00:11:06,519 --> 00:11:09,879 people who have like rose sha really bad and their 183 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:12,639 nose gets kind of bubbly, you know, and big. 184 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,039 Speaker 2: That's what his nose looked like. It was a it 185 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,440 was a big nose. It was gray. 186 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm not seeing it look like it had like rose 187 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,120 sha or anything, but it was. 188 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: Big. It didn't look I mean. 189 00:11:27,759 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: His face did not really look like a chimpanzee, but 190 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:32,480 his body kind of did. 191 00:11:32,519 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 2: If it was a really big, big chimpanzee. 192 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,399 Speaker 1: Like the expression on his face, like he had an 193 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:43,799 expression and he looked scared and like he was in 194 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,000 pain because he was definitely holding his left arm with 195 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,559 his right arm and like you know how if you 196 00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:53,039 would hurt your elbow, you would grab a hold of 197 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,120 it and kind of hold it to you. 198 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 2: That's what he was he was doing. 199 00:11:56,639 --> 00:12:01,759 Speaker 1: And he was running like fast. But if we were 200 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:04,559 to run and hold our elbows, you know, we'd kind 201 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,919 of bounce, right, And he didn't do that. It was 202 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,679 just really slick kind of the way he ran. 203 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,519 Speaker 3: No bounce, no bounce. 204 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: But his so like when I when you know, when 205 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,960 the first play of the Apes movies came out, Like 206 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:23,279 when I saw Caesar, it freaked me the hell out 207 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,919 because he looked like that, not so much a chimpanzee. 208 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,600 Is the expressions that he had on his face, right, Yeah, 209 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:33,519 And I did feel sorry for him. 210 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,399 Speaker 3: Like if we're just using that movie for instance, Caesar 211 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,399 similar type hair head shape, all that stuff. 212 00:12:44,039 --> 00:12:46,399 Speaker 2: His head was round, I know that. 213 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: And his hair like his hair was and it was 214 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,200 hair like you know, it wasn't like fuzzy or fur 215 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,799 or anything. And it was either a very dark brown 216 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,159 or black, but he was there. There's a lot of 217 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,879 trees there, so he was kind of running to the 218 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:05,240 shade and the sun was just coming up, so I 219 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,120 couldn't really make out for sure whether it was. 220 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:08,799 Speaker 2: Brown or black. 221 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,159 Speaker 3: So this was early morning, and he. 222 00:13:14,879 --> 00:13:20,399 Speaker 1: Like his shoulders were huge, and his hair was all 223 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,399 over his body, but it was thin, like you could 224 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,919 see through it. You could see muscles, you could see 225 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,320 skin under there, and the skin on his face and 226 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,279 his hands. It was darker than the skin on his 227 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,360 chest and his belly. It was it was still a 228 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,440 gray color, but it didn't seem to be as dark. 229 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:46,799 Speaker 3: Now did you mention this or ask anybody else on 230 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,120 the base after this event? 231 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:55,279 Speaker 1: No, Well, after after I got out of the hospital, 232 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,600 they started to discharge me because they didn't think I 233 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:02,039 would be because the unit I was in they were 234 00:14:02,039 --> 00:14:06,360 going to send straight to Iraq as soon as they graduated, 235 00:14:06,399 --> 00:14:08,759 so they didn't think I would be able to go 236 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,799 in at that point. It was fine with me. I 237 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,960 did after I talked to the nurse and she was real, 238 00:14:14,279 --> 00:14:19,440 real grumpy about things I just didn't say. I thought, well, 239 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,480 maybe you know, I they must have animal testing and 240 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:24,720 it must be a secret. 241 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:30,879 Speaker 3: So this is not something you should continue asking about. Yes, 242 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,759 So at what point did it click for you that, hey, 243 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:36,200 maybe that was a bigfoot. 244 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: Oh? 245 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,039 Speaker 1: It took a while, I you know, I think maybe 246 00:14:40,039 --> 00:14:44,559 two or three years later, because my ex husband he 247 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:50,720 had seen bigfoot before and he you know, we have 248 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,799 a word for it in our language, and that's just 249 00:14:53,879 --> 00:14:55,600 the word that we always used for it. 250 00:14:55,679 --> 00:15:00,279 Speaker 2: So he'd seen it before. And we we. 251 00:15:00,279 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: Go to ceremonial grounds and there are oftentimes people and 252 00:15:06,759 --> 00:15:14,399 things to keep others out who shouldn't be there. So 253 00:15:14,519 --> 00:15:20,759 he was very knowledgeable, knowledge knowledgeable about those things. And 254 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:23,200 I guess it clicked in my head when I had 255 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:26,960 asked him what is that over there one night when 256 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,480 we were at a dance, and he was like, oh, 257 00:15:29,559 --> 00:15:32,039 you know, we'll talk about it later. And then later 258 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:37,519 he told me that sometimes they come to the dances. Yeah, 259 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:39,879 they don't, you know, as far as I know, they 260 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:41,480 don't come in and dance, but they are there. 261 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:46,799 Speaker 3: That is something I have heard before, is it. 262 00:15:47,159 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, when we do our dances, it is in places 263 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,200 that most people wouldn't know how to get there. 264 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: You have to be invited. 265 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's way often, you know, way off in 266 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:01,679 the woods. 267 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: I tell you one time I went to one. 268 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:12,879 Speaker 1: Up in the Cherokees area, and you know, it was 269 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,519 I saw some things out there and it was pretty creepy, 270 00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:19,679 but you know they were something was in the woods 271 00:16:20,279 --> 00:16:22,960 whistling and you know, making all kinds of noise, and 272 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:23,759 then you. 273 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:27,279 Speaker 2: Know, once things got started, it kind of calmed down. 274 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,559 Speaker 1: But it was you know, the rule that you didn't 275 00:16:29,559 --> 00:16:30,960 go out there to try to look for what that 276 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,519 was just left him alone. 277 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 3: So what was the overall belief with the Creek and Bigfoot? 278 00:16:40,039 --> 00:16:41,879 Did they feel that it was a good thing or 279 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:42,480 a bad thing. 280 00:16:43,679 --> 00:16:45,679 Speaker 1: Well, what I just told you about is the first 281 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:48,720 time I've the only time I've seen one close up. 282 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:51,480 But that's not the only time I've seen one. But 283 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:58,559 we still have our healers involved with us, so I 284 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,440 go to him when I need him. Yeah, and you 285 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,400 know I have been told by not only him, but 286 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,480 an elder that you know they're you know, we don't 287 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,039 can really consider or at least the people I've spoken to, 288 00:17:14,039 --> 00:17:17,400 you don't really consider them to be animals, right, and 289 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:21,160 you don't do anything to them that you don't want 290 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,240 them to do to you. So like if you run 291 00:17:24,279 --> 00:17:29,079 into one if you're fishing or something, you know, you 292 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:33,359 you leave your fish there and then because if you 293 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:38,039 take a step back, they'll do what you do, so 294 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:41,400 they'll step back or you know, have been told not 295 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,720 to look in their eyes. It's just something that we've 296 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:51,559 always lived with. I believe in even now where I live. 297 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,359 You know, it's in the woods and it's dark, and 298 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:01,400 one of my grand babies, you know, has I had 299 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,400 gone to our healer. I don't really want to say 300 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,440 medicine man, because that doesn't that's not the right word. 301 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:11,599 But I had gone to him for something else. And 302 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,079 the way he works is he's old, but you don't 303 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,559 I don't ask him, you know, direct questions. But I 304 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,799 was going to and it's like he knew what I 305 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:23,519 was gonna ask him, because like we have big dogs 306 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:26,440 out here, you know, because we have farm animals, and 307 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,559 the dogs had started cowering, you know, under the bedroom window. 308 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: We could hear him. 309 00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:35,839 Speaker 1: Crying, you know, and my my grandchild was scared. 310 00:18:36,079 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 2: Before I even got to he said to me. 311 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: That boy knows that something is out there, but it's 312 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,079 it's just there watching. 313 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 2: You know. 314 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,519 Speaker 1: It's not going to hurt you. It's not going to 315 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:51,519 hurt the dogs. It's just there. It's just watching, and 316 00:18:51,559 --> 00:18:54,759 I'm thinking, I don't want to watch. I'm a little 317 00:18:54,759 --> 00:18:57,400 scared about it myself, you know, especially if they're all 318 00:18:57,519 --> 00:19:01,200 that the size, the size of the one I saw, So. 319 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: Do you think it was coming up to like the 320 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:04,039 windows or anything. 321 00:19:05,319 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: I don't think it came into the yard. I've seen 322 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,440 a trackway in the snow in the so we the 323 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,960 way the yard, the front yard of the house is 324 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:21,000 is there's probably about oh, there's like maybe twenty yards 325 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:21,319 in the house. 326 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: There's a. 327 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: Chain link fence, and then another twenty or thirty yards 328 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,839 you know, is like barbed wire. So the main chain 329 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,000 link fence is where the dogs kind of stay unless 330 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,279 we need them to go out and you fight off predators. 331 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,720 And we saw in the snow, probably maybe about five 332 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:44,359 years ago, a trackway across the front you know, in 333 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,839 between the fences in the snow. 334 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: So we have pictures of that somewhere. 335 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 3: Huge, but it's respecting the boundaries and the dogs are behaving. 336 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, the dogs don't want any part of that, so 337 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:05,319 I don't think they're around we do, hear, Okay, the 338 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,000 first time I heard a scream, it scared me to 339 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,319 death because I it sounds like there's like three vocal cords. 340 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:17,759 It sounded like like a dinosaur, you know, it sounded 341 00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:20,519 like a dinosaur kind of yeah, And I was like, 342 00:20:20,599 --> 00:20:24,000 what the you know, every dog in the county got 343 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,599 the heck out of there at that point. You know, 344 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:29,119 we hear hoops all the time. We hear what sounds 345 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:35,319 like really big big men, you know, screaming really loud, far. 346 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: Often up close. 347 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 3: Do you hear talking? 348 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,039 Speaker 2: I have not heard talking. 349 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,079 Speaker 1: We have, you know, of course I have the the 350 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:50,000 tradition not you know, nobody better go outside and whistle 351 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,279 at night anyway, right, but there, you know there are whistles. 352 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:58,200 So I haven't seen I don't think that because we 353 00:20:58,279 --> 00:21:01,599 have baby, you know, baby animal that we keep. 354 00:21:01,519 --> 00:21:04,079 Speaker 2: Inside the yard until they. 355 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,079 Speaker 1: Get big enough to go out into the pasture, just 356 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,319 because of that, just in case, just in case. 357 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: So I don't think they're getting in the yard. 358 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,599 Speaker 1: But I do know, Matt, that we went to we 359 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:22,759 were going to buy some more land just last year, 360 00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:29,200 closer to Lake Ufalla, and so you know, this land 361 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,119 had been abandoned for a while. There was a burnt 362 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,240 down structure. It was cheap and you know how land 363 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,039 has gotten in the past few years. 364 00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: Here, especially anywhere near a lake. 365 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,559 Speaker 1: Yes, and it was you know, if you looked down 366 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:44,279 the road it was on, you could see the lake 367 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,160 from there. And it really wasn't built up. There weren't 368 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,039 a whole lot of people around. It was just that 369 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:54,960 piece of land. So we go out there and are 370 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,079 looking it over. It had a little loafing shed, it 371 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,119 had a pond that needed to be cleaned out and everything, 372 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,079 and we thought, well, this is this is good. 373 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,559 Speaker 2: We like this, you know, we can at least put 374 00:22:04,599 --> 00:22:07,079 animals here or you know something. 375 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,839 Speaker 1: And it wasn't. It's not too far from this house. 376 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,359 So we decided to bring the grandkids out with us. 377 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:20,039 The next time. We go out there, and all of 378 00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:24,559 a sudden, kids quiet. There's no other than the ticks 379 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:26,599 crawling and everybody, you know, there's no sound. 380 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: There's no I don't remember any wind or anything like that. 381 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: And it was hot, it was summertime, and we all 382 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,559 of a sudden we hear rock clacking. 383 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: Uh. And I looked at my partner and. 384 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,759 Speaker 1: I was like, did you hear that? And he's like, yep. 385 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,319 And so my oldest grandchild heard it. And she was 386 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,599 out of there. She was like, you know, don't you 387 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,400 have to have films to clack rocks together? 388 00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 3: Okay, so she quick one. 389 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, she got in the truck and so I started 390 00:22:58,519 --> 00:23:00,559 backing up. But when I did, we start kind of 391 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:06,000 just you know, taking pictures, just snapping pictures, and we 392 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,680 did see what looked like a face, but it could 393 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:12,640 have been paradiy because it's really grown up in that area. 394 00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 2: So we decided to pass on that land. 395 00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 3: Probably a wise choice. 396 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's what I thought too. 397 00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:22,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's there's so many people that are like, oh, 398 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:24,400 I want to see one so bad, and I would 399 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,200 love if there was bigfoot on my property and everything. 400 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,400 But honestly, most of the people that I've ever talked 401 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,240 to that have them on their property, they don't like it. 402 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:34,839 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 403 00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: Well, you know, the medicine man says to me that 404 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:44,279 that he thinks that my youngest grandchild has away with things, yeah, 405 00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:46,480 and knows things that he doesn't really know how to 406 00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:50,200 tell us about yet. And you know, I don't want 407 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,759 to take a chance that that's why. 408 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: Things are here to watch, you know. 409 00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:58,759 Speaker 1: So and he's he's not about to be outside after 410 00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:03,599 darket either. And he's a rough little guy. He likes 411 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:06,599 to play outside everything else. But once it starts getting dark, 412 00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:08,960 he's in the house. He's got the drapes closed, and 413 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,480 he's not. You know, it's too bad for me if 414 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:13,799 I need him to help me carry on groceries, and 415 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,559 I don't like to be outside after dark. 416 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 2: In fact, I will wait until my partner. 417 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:21,079 Speaker 1: I'll wait at the store until my partner you know, 418 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,960 comes home in the wintertime, and drive home together because 419 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,000 I'm not you know. 420 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I. 421 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,079 Speaker 1: Can't say that I was afraid of the first one 422 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:34,400 that I saw, but I wouldn't want to be in 423 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,519 front of something that big, just in case. 424 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think it's also a little bit 425 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,640 different whenever you're someplace and you know that you can 426 00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:48,960 leave there and it's going to stay there, hopefully, But 427 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,640 whenever you're at your house, I mean, where are you 428 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,000 going to go? 429 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:52,519 Speaker 2: Yeah? 430 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: For real, we deer hut out here, and I won't 431 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,400 look at the trail cam pictures just in case, because 432 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,039 if I see something then I'm out. 433 00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, has he experienced anything out there? 434 00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 435 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And he's you know, he's he's retired military 436 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,119 from Special Forces, so he it takes a lot to 437 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,799 get him all, you know, flustered or you can't even 438 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,279 jump scare him. So he's just like, well, you know, 439 00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:23,359 he's lived out here a lot longer than I have. 440 00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:26,119 And he says, oh yeah, you know sometimes we hear that, 441 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:32,240 and I'm like, oh really, uh yeah, like, oh yeah, 442 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:36,079 it happens all times of the day. You know, We've 443 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,039 noticed a lot towards the evening time, but it can 444 00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:42,279 happen in the middle of the daytime. There is a 445 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,960 lake close by, and they had a concert a few 446 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,440 years ago, and we just kind of made We're sitting 447 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,000 out on the front porch and kind of made the joke, 448 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:54,319 well that's going to piss him off, and it did, 449 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,000 because there was hollering all night after that. 450 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,559 Speaker 2: I have seen Okay, you're gonna love this one. 451 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: So a close friend and I were driving from Tulsa 452 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:12,920 to Bartlesville on Highway seventy five. Now, when you get 453 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,599 past Oschleda before you get into Bartlesville, there's like a 454 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,839 small I don't know whether it's a river or a 455 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,640 creek or whatever. You know, you pass over that and 456 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,640 then to the left hand side, so the west side 457 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,279 of the road is a field. It's got some of 458 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:32,079 the coond trees in it, you know, it's kind of 459 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:39,079 its bottom land. Well, there's also a pond there. So 460 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,240 we're driving on Highway seventy five and actually she was driving, 461 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,039 and I was, you know, looking around, because I'm always 462 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:48,680 looking around, you know, But there were a lot of 463 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,880 geese on this pond, and all of a sudden we 464 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,319 see this figure burst out of the trees, headed towards 465 00:26:56,319 --> 00:27:02,680 that pond where the geese are, okay, so fast. And 466 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,119 our first thought was I was like, look at that, 467 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,720 What the hell? And she said, that man's huge. Now, okay, 468 00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:12,200 so it wasn't goose season, it wasn't duck season, it 469 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,319 wasn't any kind of season. 470 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: And we thought at first we thought this man, you know, 471 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:17,839 isn't a gilly suit. 472 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,599 Speaker 1: And then we could tell that it was not a 473 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,119 man because it was huge. It got all the way 474 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,799 to the pond before the geese got the heck out 475 00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:29,000 of there, and he did. 476 00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 2: Not catch one. 477 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: So stood there for a second, you know, because we 478 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,720 had slowed down. Stood there for a second, and then 479 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,759 he took off back into the trees. So my friend 480 00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:43,279 is native American too, and so she was like that 481 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,680 was that was the big man, and I was like 482 00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,000 it was. So We're like, well, okay, so let's try 483 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,279 to debunk this. So we got off of the highway 484 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,200 and tried to find, you know, any like their roads 485 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,799 around that area, if somebody had maybe parked, you know, 486 00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:58,920 their truck and they were actually hunting when they weren't 487 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,279 supposed to be. But clear's day right there, and it 488 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,880 was probably ten o'clock. 489 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,839 Speaker 3: In the morning, just off the side of the highway, yep. 490 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,759 Speaker 2: And that's I saw another one off the side of 491 00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:15,440 the highway. It was in June of twenty twenty three. 492 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,519 Speaker 1: I was headed to the Lake of the Ozarks for 493 00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:25,759 work with my boss and just probably I don't know 494 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:28,759 how far east of Joplin we were, but I was 495 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:30,680 in the passenger seat. On the right hand side of 496 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,400 the road. There was a field and they had been 497 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,680 There were round bells out there, you know, are freshly cut, 498 00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:41,799 and I see someone stand up on the other side 499 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:44,759 of a round bel Now I was not close, but 500 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,240 this person, you know it you know how tall round bells. 501 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,519 Speaker 3: Are, Yeah, they're huge, and. 502 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,279 Speaker 2: He I mean it looked like he had I've. 503 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,759 Speaker 1: Heard this before, but that's just I just have to 504 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:00,400 say it, because that's what it looked like. It looked 505 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,759 like there was a huge, huge person out there in 506 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:07,240 a black hoodie in the middle of June. You know, 507 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,960 it was probably about five o'clock in the evening, and 508 00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:15,559 he stood up from behind that round veil and just 509 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,640 started walking off. And I could see past his well 510 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,160 almost down. Knew his abs when you. 511 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 3: Stood up, like lower stomach area. 512 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:26,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 513 00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, I did a double take, 514 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,079 and you know, she was like, what are you looking at? 515 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 2: And I was like. 516 00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,119 Speaker 1: That, and she was like, well, that's a big man. 517 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,960 I was like that, I don't. 518 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 2: Think that's a man. You know. Of course he's like okay, 519 00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:44,400 and only went you know. 520 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 3: Round bells depending on the bailer and all that, or 521 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:55,119 anywhere from we'll say four to six feet tall. So 522 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,799 and I was like five feet tall coming up to 523 00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:02,640 your mid stomach, your lower stomach area, I mean that 524 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,640 would put it at least seven to eight feet tall. 525 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,119 I mean, yeah, that's a big man. 526 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: He was. You know, he was in no hurry. 527 00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what he was doing behind the round 528 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,680 bell but you know, and that's you know, a major 529 00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:22,240 highway there, you know, just like Highway seventy five is. 530 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,960 He wasn't concerned. He just started walking off towards the woodline, and. 531 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,319 Speaker 3: Your boss just passed it off mentally as just some 532 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:29,920 big guy. 533 00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's all I said. I was like, okay, 534 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:35,799 so when. 535 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,039 Speaker 3: We went I mean, I think that happens a lot. 536 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,640 You know, you were talking about them like coming around 537 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:50,680 the dances and everything, which I know with pretty good 538 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:58,079 certainty that their relationship with natives is different than just 539 00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:04,680 a typical person. Obviously if that's due to history or 540 00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:07,720 you know, who knows why, but that's the way it is. 541 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:12,599 I think that they've had relationships sort of lived in 542 00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:17,319 harmony with one another for a long time. But it 543 00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:20,200 seems like there's just certain ones at least that just 544 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,119 don't care and are aware that the humans aren't really 545 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,440 going to pay attention to them. 546 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 547 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,319 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I think that they they 548 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:35,559 are smart enough to know that you know, these people 549 00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:37,640 gone by in these cars when they're not going to 550 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,599 look right or two, they are not going to take 551 00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:43,319 the time to turn around and see if that was 552 00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:46,359 a you know, eight foot farmer in a black hoodie 553 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:49,640 in the middle of June, you know, on the side 554 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:49,960 of the road. 555 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,039 Speaker 3: And I mean by the time you got turned around 556 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:55,279 in everything, it's going to be long gone anyways. 557 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:57,519 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it was it. 558 00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:00,519 Speaker 1: You know, by the time she looked said, that's a 559 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,480 big guy, he was already almost to the woodline. And 560 00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:05,720 I don't know how far that was, you know, I 561 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:08,240 was quite a ways from him. I couldn't far enough 562 00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:11,160 that I couldn't see any features, just you know, this 563 00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:13,920 big black or dark colored figure. 564 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,559 Speaker 2: So and I think, you know, I've heard. 565 00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:23,079 Speaker 1: People say that that sometimes that people who have had 566 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,759 some you know, some interaction are marked or whatever. Yeah, 567 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,799 I think that for personally, for me, I'm just always 568 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,240 looking because I know, I know that they're out there, 569 00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:37,079 and that's why I see things. It's because i'm looking. 570 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,359 I'm even when i'm driving, I'm looking. 571 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,519 Speaker 3: Deer Hunters have a lot easier time spotting deer than 572 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,799 non deer hunters. Yeah, and I think it's sort of 573 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,039 like that. I think once it's clipped in your brain 574 00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:54,000 that they're out there and you've seen one, it's easier 575 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,759 for you to notice them. Do you think that there's 576 00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:04,920 anything that people would consider paranormal about them or do 577 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,839 you think they're just another living creature like a deer. 578 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I I am someone who believes in 579 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:24,079 strange things happening and in the paranormal. I know, for me, 580 00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:26,799 I know that that stuff is real and can happen. 581 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:32,519 But anything that I've seen look like, you know, I've 582 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:36,359 seen tracks, I've seen you know, I've heard noises. But 583 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,680 like those tracks in the snow that we had in 584 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,720 the in the front yard. They started at the edge 585 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:46,880 of you know, a gravel driveway. Now there was snow everywhere, 586 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:52,559 clear snow. They started there and there was snow, you know, 587 00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:56,119 on the gravel. They started there, they went to my 588 00:33:56,279 --> 00:34:03,200 fence where my piglets were, and then that's all those 589 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,440 tracks on the other side of the fence. There's no 590 00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:12,559 tree there. So I you know, I think they can 591 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:16,599 do things, just like you know, between me and you, 592 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,280 I think that there's some people that can do things. 593 00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:23,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would one percent agree with that. 594 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: There are there are people who know old ways in 595 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,039 things that many many people have forgotten, and so why 596 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:33,719 wouldn't they. 597 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,199 Speaker 3: I mean, that's something I've talked about recently actually with 598 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,440 someone one of my friends, about how I think that 599 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:48,199 it's just more of a case of there's probably some 600 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:55,880 out there, just like humans, that may have abilities or 601 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:01,079 knowledge of things that others don't. There might be one 602 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,639 who can just make its tracks look like they disappear, 603 00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:08,400 and there might be some that run through a military 604 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,199 base holding their arm because they're hurt, you. 605 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,639 Speaker 2: Know, yeah, bless his heart. 606 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: See you know, like my grandparents were from southeastern Oklahoma, 607 00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:22,639 all right, and yeah, so we never really specifically and 608 00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:25,039 talked sat down and talked about Bigfoot. 609 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 2: They were just. 610 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: Country really, it's but they had nicknames for things that 611 00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:33,719 they had, Like something would come through the middle of 612 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,239 their little town sometimes at night, scream and bloody, murder 613 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,039 all the way through town and keep writing into the woods, right, 614 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,719 you know. They they called that like uh, yahoo and 615 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,360 something else. 616 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,599 Speaker 2: There was another word that my grandmother used to use for. 617 00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 3: That, Yeah I heard before. 618 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember, but you know, so I'm pretty 619 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,000 sure that's probably what that was. 620 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 2: You know. 621 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,199 Speaker 1: My grandpa would say, oh, no, that was a cat, 622 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,599 you know, but my grandma was like, no, that wasn't 623 00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,519 a cat that you know. 624 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 3: What's wrong with you? You know what that was? My 625 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:10,239 granny she used to just give me hell. You know, 626 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,559 Relatives would come over and do you know what Matt's doing. 627 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,719 He's going out there looking for those big feet, you know, 628 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,159 and she just thought it was so funny, you know, 629 00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:23,519 like what is wrong with you? Have you lost it? 630 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: You know? 631 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 3: And then you know, I saw one. So there was 632 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,280 that whole thing because she was outside of a few 633 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,119 people that were there at the time. Whenever I got 634 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,960 back home, she was, you know, the first person I told. 635 00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:45,599 And you know, that was a very emotional conversation because 636 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,079 I was processing all of it and unpacking it and 637 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,320 you know, like, holy crap, these things are real, you know, 638 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,639 dealing with that. And after a while, I don't remember 639 00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,079 what it was, but at some point in time I 640 00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:06,280 said something about a booger. I referred to them as 641 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:13,760 a booker, and her eyes got big and she said, well, boogers. 642 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,719 I know what boogers are. And I thought she's going 643 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,199 to make some joke, because that's how she was. And 644 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,519 I said, oh, do you And she was like, are 645 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:25,679 you telling me that bigfoot is the same thing as 646 00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:28,760 a booger? I grew up with the Those are the 647 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,920 old hairy men that live up in the mountains, and 648 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,480 she knew exactly what they were. And it turned out 649 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,920 one year at Thanksgiving, another uncle of mine kind of 650 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,320 got me cornered off by myself and he told me, 651 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,480 he said, so I heard you go out looking for sasquatch. 652 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,280 And I was like, uh, yeah, here it comes, like, 653 00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:58,199 get to hear it from you now. Well, it turns 654 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,599 out that he used to go out looking for him 655 00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:06,639 whenever he was young, and my great great grandmother who 656 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,159 passed away whenever I was like a year and a half. 657 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,079 So it was like his great grandmother growing up. She 658 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,199 had a sighting one whenever. They lived in the you know, 659 00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:25,039 the hills of the Ozarks in Arkansas. And one night 660 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:28,440 they heard a big ruckus outside I think it was 661 00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:31,159 raining or something. They had a bunch of hogs and 662 00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:33,119 a pin out in front of the house they lived in, 663 00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:38,519 just like a little dirt floor cabin, and her husband 664 00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:41,119 grabbed the shotgun and she grabbed the wintern, and they 665 00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:44,119 went out there and one was standing at the pig 666 00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:47,000 pen and reached over and scooped up one of the 667 00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:50,559 pigs and put it under one arm and just walked 668 00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:52,920 off into the woods. They never fired a shot or anything. 669 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,400 They just went back in the house. And she had 670 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,400 told my uncle that story whenever he was young, and 671 00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,400 I guess my mom and her other siblings knew it too, 672 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,159 but they never mentioned it to me, of course, but 673 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,599 I just couldn't believe it. It was like some family bigfoot history. 674 00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:13,239 But here they're making fun of me all these years. 675 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,199 Speaker 2: And they don't want to talk about it. 676 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,760 Speaker 3: Huh, don't want to talk about it. 677 00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 2: That's amazing. 678 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: As someone who has had experience to some pigs very recently. 679 00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 2: I can't imagine they able to pick one up and 680 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,679 stick it under your arm and walk off with it. Yeah, Like, 681 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,679 that's that's crazy. 682 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 1: You know when things the batteries will go dead or 683 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,239 car won't start or whatever. Well that's a thing because 684 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,119 Dad told me about that in like nineteen eighty seven. 685 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:49,000 So there is a trackway, but they knew that at 686 00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:51,639 a certain time of the evening, if you were driving 687 00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:54,239 down this road, you shouldn't go down this road because 688 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,000 there was a light that came from east to west 689 00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,880 and it crossed the road and it took all the power, 690 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,920 took all the you know. And one night he was 691 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,679 out dicking around with his cousin that my grandparents were 692 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,679 raising also and they were coming from the house and 693 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,880 they've waited too late and the car died. 694 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,599 Speaker 2: You know. They were absolutely terrified because they could see the. 695 00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:18,119 Speaker 1: Light coming and it came and went, and about thirty 696 00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:19,800 minutes later the car started up and they went on, 697 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,280 I don't know what that is, and they don't know 698 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:23,679 what it is. 699 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 2: They just always had the you know. 700 00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: The history to stay away from there at that time. 701 00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 3: Those lights are so weird. There. There's one up by Miama. 702 00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my sister has seen that one. 703 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 704 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 3: I've talked to a couple of people. This girl I 705 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,039 know lives up there, and her and her sister have 706 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,800 you know, gone out and messed with it or whatever. 707 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,360 And it's just some don't sit right with it. 708 00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 2: I know it's to me, it feels bad, you know. 709 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: And I know you went out and looked for bigfoot, 710 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,400 and I think you're freaking crazy for doing that. 711 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 3: But I don't you know, I also quit going out 712 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,800 and looking for bigfoot. 713 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,599 Speaker 1: I did. I do know that I've heard you said 714 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,800 that people don't realize they're understanding in all ways. You know, 715 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,119 if you hear scary stories and say it must be 716 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:16,320 on a native burial ground. 717 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 2: Well, this whole country is a native burial ground. 718 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, everybody is. 719 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, and there are certain spots where, 720 00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:28,000 you know, I think things are still there because they 721 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,079 have to take care of the people. 722 00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 3: With that being said, there's definitely some sort of connection 723 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,280 between the old burial grounds and them. They hang out 724 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,559 there for whatever reason. I don't know what that reason is. 725 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and other things too. 726 00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. So speaking of other things, have you heard about 727 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,559 anybody having any experiences with what people are now calling 728 00:41:57,679 --> 00:41:58,280 dog Man. 729 00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 1: Yes, it's bad, Okay, it's it's like you know, you 730 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,599 know how with us if like with with you know, Bigfoot, 731 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:08,400 it's like we. 732 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,599 Speaker 2: Know they're there. 733 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what kind of relationship we 734 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,679 had in the past, but if they're coming to the grounds, 735 00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:15,800 they're there to get medicine, and you know, you know 736 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,199 what I'm saying. Yeah, and we I've been told that 737 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,519 they keep people because you know, there's rules when you 738 00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:23,480 go out there, like you can't be drinking, so they 739 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:26,159 help you keep people out that aren't supposed to be there. 740 00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:29,239 So that because you know, like for us, if we 741 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,679 do our green corn, you know, in June or July 742 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,559 that's new year for us. And also how we you know, 743 00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:41,039 we ask God to make the upcoming year good. 744 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 2: Right, right, So it's important that things go the way 745 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,000 they're supposed to go. 746 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: And I have no idea how things, you know, I 747 00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:49,679 don't know what everybody's saying when they're singing, you know, 748 00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:50,320 and all that stuff. 749 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 2: But my son, he he went. 750 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,599 Speaker 1: To a different ceremonial ground than what we're used to 751 00:42:56,679 --> 00:43:02,880 going to, and he's saw something like that, like, I 752 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,039 don't know if I don't think we have a word 753 00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:08,440 for dog man, or if we do. I've never heard 754 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,800 anything like that. But he saw two different things. Okay, 755 00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:19,639 he saw a very big dog that would appear and disappear, 756 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,119 you know, and you know the elders that were like, 757 00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,960 oh yeah, he's he's you know, he's keeping people out right. 758 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,519 But then he also saw something that looks like a 759 00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:33,159 dog man, right, And and that has always been my 760 00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:35,519 You know, how you're when you're a little girl or 761 00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:37,599 or a little boy, you're afraid of things, right, And 762 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,559 I tried to rationalize, you know, well, how are you. 763 00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:41,559 Speaker 2: Going to kill a were wolf? 764 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,119 Speaker 3: Right? 765 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 1: Nobody's got silver bullets hanging around if you hide in 766 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,159 the house. 767 00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:47,199 Speaker 2: It can smell you, you know, all that stuff. So 768 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,960 that was that's like the. 769 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: Thing that I'm scared of, Like that's the worst thing 770 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,639 he could ever see. So he did see that, And 771 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,000 I have heard of people seeing those things. Some of 772 00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:02,559 them look like coyote, which really coyotes. 773 00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:03,199 Speaker 2: Freaking freaked me out. 774 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: Like I know they're small and they're you know, we 775 00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:07,440 have them a lot of them around here, but I 776 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,079 don't like them. 777 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,280 Speaker 2: They give me the creeps. 778 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:10,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're scary. 779 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:11,599 Speaker 2: I know. 780 00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: I will almost really see bigfoot than a pack of 781 00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:17,519 coyotes for sure. Well I'll tell you what my youngest 782 00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:21,599 son saw at my house. We hadn't lived there very long. 783 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,519 It is my younger son. He's four years younger, so 784 00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,440 he he was probably fourteen or fifteen, I think. 785 00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:31,960 Speaker 2: And my house backs. 786 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,519 Speaker 1: Up to woods to straight woods and then a pasture. 787 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,159 So and it's this little neighborhood. There's like it's like 788 00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:42,119 a horseshoe and I'm on the bottom of the horseshoe. 789 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,320 And at that time, there weren't very many other houses 790 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,760 in the neighborhood. But we had just gotten street lights, 791 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,880 which I wasn't happy about. So he they used to 792 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,920 get up on the on the roof you know where, 793 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,400 because we used to have a big Fourth of July celebration. 794 00:44:56,639 --> 00:44:59,400 Like some of them families down there had lots of 795 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,400 oil money and so they would pay for it, and 796 00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:07,039 that's they would get and the boys would get up 797 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:11,000 on the roof of the house and watch. So had 798 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,880 decided to go on the roof of the house. And 799 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:16,480 it was, you know, after dark, and I was, I 800 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,360 don't know, in the house, probably reading something, and he 801 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,760 sees what he thinks is a coyote come trotting down 802 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:22,440 that road. 803 00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 2: No, we hadn't at that time. 804 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,199 Speaker 1: There weren't too many houses in the neighborhood, and we 805 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:32,159 had a next door neighbor on both sides. And so 806 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,800 he sees this coyote go behind our next door neighbor's house, 807 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,559 you know, like I said, we just got in street lights. 808 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,840 And then like so he's looking at it and deciding 809 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,320 whether he needs to get down off the house and running, 810 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,760 and decided to stay up there because it can't climb right. 811 00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 2: Well. 812 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: The next thing he knows, you know, about four feet up, 813 00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:56,920 a hand like a raccoon grabs a hole of the 814 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,880 side of our neighbor's house, and the head that kind 815 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,760 of he's head peeked around, oh and looked at him. Yes, 816 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,280 it was standing up, you know, and so he was like, 817 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,320 I hear this blood curling scream, like mom. So I 818 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,199 ran outside, and of course I can't find him because 819 00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,000 the little butt head's on the roof, right yeah. 820 00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:17,800 Speaker 2: But of course when I got out there, it wasn't there. 821 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,800 And even to this day, he you know, if he 822 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:21,199 takes it. 823 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: He's got a pit bull named Obie that he rescued, 824 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,119 and he is in his thirties now. He if he 825 00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:30,719 goes back behind the house in the woods, he's back 826 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,760 before it gets dark. So I don't know what that was, 827 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,159 but it shouldn't have been there. 828 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 3: That's kind of like one of my concerns with all this, 829 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:42,039 because you hear stories about dog man. I've never seen one. 830 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,599 Don't want to see one. I'm like you, I grew 831 00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:51,800 up calling that idea werewolf and they eat people, so 832 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,000 I don't want to have anything to do with it. 833 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,360 But I mean, also growing up in Oklahoma, I mean, 834 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,960 there's several different possibilities to what he saw that night. 835 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,559 Speaker 1: There's a lot of possibilities, right, Yeah, So the first 836 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,119 thing I did was. 837 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,199 Speaker 2: Contact the medicine man. I got some stuff to put 838 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:12,880 around the house. 839 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,880 Speaker 1: He now, this is the only time he ever did this, 840 00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:20,280 and I didn't ask him why, but because I don't, 841 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,079 I don't question him. But he gave me a knife 842 00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:24,880 that he'd done something to and he told me to 843 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:31,280 put it under the doormat facing you know, outwards, like 844 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,000 to point out. 845 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 846 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 1: And then he gave me some tobacco, uh for evening 847 00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:42,159 or morning and evening. And then he told us to 848 00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,360 stay out of the damn woods. And then he asked 849 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,280 me who I pissed off? 850 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, So he kind of thought that, you know, mm hmm. 851 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,719 Option number two. 852 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:53,280 Speaker 2: Yep. 853 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: His thought was it was something you know that we 854 00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:59,159 don't want to say. Yeah, just coming to check out 855 00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:01,159 the house because we hadn't live there very long, just 856 00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:02,159 to see where we live. 857 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,679 Speaker 3: Again. I appreciate it. I'm glad you reached out. 858 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,679 Speaker 1: Yep, this holler whenever, and thank you so much for 859 00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:15,960 letting me talk about my bigfoot or what I guess. 860 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:22,360 Speaker 2: He's a big fit to me, you know, Fort Leonard would, 861 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:23,920 so I appreciate it. 862 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,800 Speaker 3: If you've had your own encounter with bigfoot or something else, 863 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,679 you can't explain and you'd like to share your story 864 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,480 on the podcast, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail 865 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,880 dot com. Check out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. 866 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,519 You can find links to social media, past episodes, merchandise, 867 00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:42,599 everything you need all in one place, and until next time, 868 00:48:42,679 --> 00:49:09,599 remember there's something in the woods.