Speaker 1: My dad is full blood American Indian and he was
into the all Indian sports in the seventies and eighties,
and some of the ball fields would be like on
you know, restricted land, which meant you know that there
probably wasn't anybody but natives out there. I remember them
playing ball and everyone puting their headlights on so there
would be lights for them to see.
Speaker 2: So there was, you know, weird stuff out there.
Speaker 1: Like you just knew at certain places you didn't go
into the woods after dark. There would be whistling, big
shapes moving between the trees. So even as a little girl,
I knew that there was weird stuff.
Speaker 3: Just to get us started. Tell me how all of
this began for you.
Speaker 1: I think that the first I've seen weird things my
whole life.
Speaker 2: But I think the first weird thing that I've seen.
Speaker 1: I was about to saw a Native American man in
my closet, and when you know my parents would fight,
he would put his finger over his mouth like to
tell me to be quiet, you know, and not make
any noise.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, So that's the first thing I remember.
Speaker 1: But my dad is full blood American Indian and he
was into the all Indian sports in the seventies and eighties. Yeah,
and so for all of my childhood was spent you know,
doing with him, you know. And in some of the
ball fields would like on you know, restricted land, right,
which meant which meant you know that that there.
Speaker 2: Probably wasn't anybody but the natives out there. And so.
Speaker 1: I remember them playing ball and everyone turned their headlights
on so there would be lights for them to see.
So there was you know, weird stuff out there, Like
you just knew at certain places you didn't go into
the woods after dark, there would be whistling, you know,
or you know, big big shapes moving between the trees.
So even as a little girl, I knew, you know,
that there was weird stuff. But I got divorced my
senior year of college, and I had two boys and
I needed to figure out how to feed them. So
I could not find a job, and my ex husband
had been you know, the main breadwinner, and I needed
to feed them babies. So I got convinced by a
recruiter to join the Army reserves, right, And he told
me that I would just go to basic training and
then I do drill you know every once in a while,
and I would not have to leave them right right.
Speaker 2: That was not true, which I found out.
Speaker 1: So I joined in two thousand and three, and then
in March or two thousand and two. But in March
of two thousand and three, I went to basic training
at Fort Leonard Wood in miss Eira. And I don't
know if you've ever been by there, but they call
it Fort Lost in the Woods because it is so
heavily wooded.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful there.
Speaker 1: And I hadn't been there very long, probably within the
first week of basic training, I got very sick, and
so they put me in the hospital. And while I
was in the hospital, the President declared war on Iraq.
So we were kind of on like high alert, right.
But I had been in the hospital for a few days,
and it was early morning and the sun was just
coming up, and I hear like an alert, like a
siren go. It almost sounded like a tornado siren, you know,
but different, And so I thought, what the uh? So
I got up and I went to the window of
my hospital room and I.
Speaker 2: Was looking around.
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything, you know, because in my mind,
like I thought, iraqis might be like, you know, rushing
the base or something, right, I didn't know what was
going on, But.
Speaker 2: I was gonna go see if I could find out.
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm looking out the window and it was
it's from you know, outside of the window. It was
heavily wooded there too, And all of a sudden, I
see this, what I thought of the time was a
very big monkey. And he came running. I guess it
would be from the east towards the west, I guess.
And but he was holding his arm like you would
if you'd hurt your elbow or your wrist.
Speaker 2: He was holding it with his other arm, and I thought,
what the help?
Speaker 1: But he was, you know, he was big, like because
I think I was on the second floor.
Speaker 2: I know I was on the ground floor. It was
the second or third.
Speaker 1: Floor, because he wasn't very far below the bottom of
my window. And I was like, so then my thought
is okay, so do they do animal testing here? Because
I was like, how why is there a monkey in
the middle of Missouri running through an army base. So
he takes off, I mean he was so fast, like
he wasn't limping, but he was running and holding his arm.
Speaker 2: I didn't see any injuries on him or anything.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe a minute later, all these military police come
behind him like they're on you know, ATVs. They're running,
they have weapons, and in my head, I thought, you know,
there's got to be an animal testing facility and he's loose.
And my next thought was, I hope he doesn't have
some kind of weird disease, you know that everybody's going
to catch. So I only saw him for a brief time,
but he was because he was so freaking fast, and
the military police they weren't messing around. They were after
they went the same way he did, you know. So
like then I thought, well, you know exactly how sick
am I? So I rang the nurse and she came
in there and I asked her if there was an
animal testing facility on site and she was like, what, no,
And I said, She said, why would you ask that?
Speaker 2: And I said, well, I just saw a huge.
Speaker 1: Monkey's gonna buy and I know they had locked the
building down because it came over the speakers. So she
told me, and she was kind of grumpy, you know.
She told me to stay in my bed, get away
from the window, and don't get out of the bed
unless I needed to go to the restroom, and then
I need to call her.
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, but and that was it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I never did hear, you know,
any weapons fire. I didn't you know, never saw him
again after about maybe an hour. They I guess lockdown
was ever with because I did get out of the
bed and was still looking out the window and people
you know, had started moving around.
Speaker 3: Yeah again, so how far away was it from you?
Speaker 2: Oh? He wasn't far at all, Like I can still
see it in my head.
Speaker 1: Probably maybe ten or fifty maybe ten yards maybe ten yards.
Speaker 2: So he was running through the trees. He he had this.
Speaker 1: Look on his face like, you know, I felt sorry
for him because he he had this look on his
face like he was scared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like I just felt sad for him.
Speaker 1: But I also was trying to figure out, you know exactly,
you know, do I have a head injury or yeah?
Speaker 3: You know what what a crazy scenario, Like I've that
was not what I was not expecting.
Speaker 2: That what were you expecting? You know?
Speaker 3: I've heard a few stories from people, you know, from
military bases, and it's usually just you know, they're on
a drill or they're standing guard or something. You know,
they're at post, and like they catch a glimpse of something,
but I mean, like this thing was injured and then
you had, you know, basically in hot pursuit after it.
I mean, so clearly this was like they knew what
was going on, they knew.
Speaker 1: It was there, and they didn't seem, you know, like
they weren't freaked out like I was, right. So that
made me later when I was trying to think about it,
that made me think that they you know, I mean,
because most normal people, if they see something like that,
they're gonna be freaking scared to death, and they weren't.
Speaker 3: You saw it, and your head just immediately goes to,
you know, monkey, That's the the closest thing that you
can probably associate it with, Like why on earth is
there a monkey on the military base? But that would
be the only thing that would even make any sense,
Like you're talking about animal testing stuff like that, But
definitely you associated it with an animal, is kind of
what I'm getting at. So I'm thinking from the perspective
of military police, if they saw an injured animal on base,
of course they would radio that in. It wouldn't be
like a pursuit type situation where they're chasing it down
or anything, right.
Speaker 1: And it was like, you know, if you kicked a
bee hive, because they were in hot pursuit and there
was a lot of them and they had weapons.
Speaker 3: Which is crazy, Like that's crazy. I mean, So how
big was this thing? What did it look like to you?
Speaker 2: Okay, so you know, he was huge.
Speaker 1: Like, like I said, I was on not the first floor,
so I think I was on the second street and
he was not. His head was not that far below me.
But he's like the skin on his face was gray,
kind of like a like charcoal ash if it's kind
of been rained on. Yeah, and so were his hands
and his face kind of because the first thing I
thought of was chimpanzee. But I thought there must be
something wrong with him because he have you ever seen
people who have like rose sha really bad and their
nose gets kind of bubbly, you know, and big.
Speaker 2: That's what his nose looked like. It was a it
was a big nose. It was gray.
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing it look like it had like rose
sha or anything, but it was.
Speaker 2: Big. It didn't look I mean.
Speaker 1: His face did not really look like a chimpanzee, but
his body kind of did.
Speaker 2: If it was a really big, big chimpanzee.
Speaker 1: Like the expression on his face, like he had an
expression and he looked scared and like he was in
pain because he was definitely holding his left arm with
his right arm and like you know how if you
would hurt your elbow, you would grab a hold of
it and kind of hold it to you.
Speaker 2: That's what he was he was doing.
Speaker 1: And he was running like fast. But if we were
to run and hold our elbows, you know, we'd kind
of bounce, right, And he didn't do that. It was
just really slick kind of the way he ran.
Speaker 3: No bounce, no bounce.
Speaker 1: But his so like when I when you know, when
the first play of the Apes movies came out, Like
when I saw Caesar, it freaked me the hell out
because he looked like that, not so much a chimpanzee.
Is the expressions that he had on his face, right, Yeah,
And I did feel sorry for him.
Speaker 3: Like if we're just using that movie for instance, Caesar
similar type hair head shape, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: His head was round, I know that.
Speaker 1: And his hair like his hair was and it was
hair like you know, it wasn't like fuzzy or fur
or anything. And it was either a very dark brown
or black, but he was there. There's a lot of
trees there, so he was kind of running to the
shade and the sun was just coming up, so I
couldn't really make out for sure whether it was.
Speaker 2: Brown or black.
Speaker 3: So this was early morning, and he.
Speaker 1: Like his shoulders were huge, and his hair was all
over his body, but it was thin, like you could
see through it. You could see muscles, you could see
skin under there, and the skin on his face and
his hands. It was darker than the skin on his
chest and his belly. It was it was still a
gray color, but it didn't seem to be as dark.
Speaker 3: Now did you mention this or ask anybody else on
the base after this event?
Speaker 1: No, Well, after after I got out of the hospital,
they started to discharge me because they didn't think I
would be because the unit I was in they were
going to send straight to Iraq as soon as they graduated,
so they didn't think I would be able to go
in at that point. It was fine with me. I
did after I talked to the nurse and she was real,
real grumpy about things I just didn't say. I thought, well,
maybe you know, I they must have animal testing and
it must be a secret.
Speaker 3: So this is not something you should continue asking about. Yes,
So at what point did it click for you that, hey,
maybe that was a bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: It took a while, I you know, I think maybe
two or three years later, because my ex husband he
had seen bigfoot before and he you know, we have
a word for it in our language, and that's just
the word that we always used for it.
Speaker 2: So he'd seen it before. And we we.
Speaker 1: Go to ceremonial grounds and there are oftentimes people and
things to keep others out who shouldn't be there. So
he was very knowledgeable, knowledge knowledgeable about those things. And
I guess it clicked in my head when I had
asked him what is that over there one night when
we were at a dance, and he was like, oh,
you know, we'll talk about it later. And then later
he told me that sometimes they come to the dances. Yeah,
they don't, you know, as far as I know, they
don't come in and dance, but they are there.
Speaker 3: That is something I have heard before, is it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we do our dances, it is in places
that most people wouldn't know how to get there.
Speaker 2: You have to be invited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's way often, you know, way off in
the woods.
Speaker 2: I tell you one time I went to one.
Speaker 1: Up in the Cherokees area, and you know, it was
I saw some things out there and it was pretty creepy,
but you know they were something was in the woods
whistling and you know, making all kinds of noise, and
then you.
Speaker 2: Know, once things got started, it kind of calmed down.
Speaker 1: But it was you know, the rule that you didn't
go out there to try to look for what that
was just left him alone.
Speaker 3: So what was the overall belief with the Creek and Bigfoot?
Did they feel that it was a good thing or
a bad thing.
Speaker 1: Well, what I just told you about is the first
time I've the only time I've seen one close up.
But that's not the only time I've seen one. But
we still have our healers involved with us, so I
go to him when I need him. Yeah, and you
know I have been told by not only him, but
an elder that you know they're you know, we don't
can really consider or at least the people I've spoken to,
you don't really consider them to be animals, right, and
you don't do anything to them that you don't want
them to do to you. So like if you run
into one if you're fishing or something, you know, you
you leave your fish there and then because if you
take a step back, they'll do what you do, so
they'll step back or you know, have been told not
to look in their eyes. It's just something that we've
always lived with. I believe in even now where I live.
You know, it's in the woods and it's dark, and
one of my grand babies, you know, has I had
gone to our healer. I don't really want to say
medicine man, because that doesn't that's not the right word.
But I had gone to him for something else. And
the way he works is he's old, but you don't
I don't ask him, you know, direct questions. But I
was going to and it's like he knew what I
was gonna ask him, because like we have big dogs
out here, you know, because we have farm animals, and
the dogs had started cowering, you know, under the bedroom window.
Speaker 2: We could hear him.
Speaker 1: Crying, you know, and my my grandchild was scared.
Speaker 2: Before I even got to he said to me.
Speaker 1: That boy knows that something is out there, but it's
it's just there watching.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's not going to hurt you. It's not going to
hurt the dogs. It's just there. It's just watching, and
I'm thinking, I don't want to watch. I'm a little
scared about it myself, you know, especially if they're all
that the size, the size of the one I saw, So.
Speaker 3: Do you think it was coming up to like the
windows or anything.
Speaker 1: I don't think it came into the yard. I've seen
a trackway in the snow in the so we the
way the yard, the front yard of the house is
is there's probably about oh, there's like maybe twenty yards
in the house.
Speaker 2: There's a.
Speaker 1: Chain link fence, and then another twenty or thirty yards
you know, is like barbed wire. So the main chain
link fence is where the dogs kind of stay unless
we need them to go out and you fight off predators.
And we saw in the snow, probably maybe about five
years ago, a trackway across the front you know, in
between the fences in the snow.
Speaker 2: So we have pictures of that somewhere.
Speaker 3: Huge, but it's respecting the boundaries and the dogs are behaving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the dogs don't want any part of that, so
I don't think they're around we do, hear, Okay, the
first time I heard a scream, it scared me to
death because I it sounds like there's like three vocal cords.
It sounded like like a dinosaur, you know, it sounded
like a dinosaur kind of yeah, And I was like,
what the you know, every dog in the county got
the heck out of there at that point. You know,
we hear hoops all the time. We hear what sounds
like really big big men, you know, screaming really loud, far.
Speaker 2: Often up close.
Speaker 3: Do you hear talking?
Speaker 2: I have not heard talking.
Speaker 1: We have, you know, of course I have the the
tradition not you know, nobody better go outside and whistle
at night anyway, right, but there, you know there are whistles.
So I haven't seen I don't think that because we
have baby, you know, baby animal that we keep.
Speaker 2: Inside the yard until they.
Speaker 1: Get big enough to go out into the pasture, just
because of that, just in case, just in case.
Speaker 2: So I don't think they're getting in the yard.
Speaker 1: But I do know, Matt, that we went to we
were going to buy some more land just last year,
closer to Lake Ufalla, and so you know, this land
had been abandoned for a while. There was a burnt
down structure. It was cheap and you know how land
has gotten in the past few years.
Speaker 3: Here, especially anywhere near a lake.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it was you know, if you looked down
the road it was on, you could see the lake
from there. And it really wasn't built up. There weren't
a whole lot of people around. It was just that
piece of land. So we go out there and are
looking it over. It had a little loafing shed, it
had a pond that needed to be cleaned out and everything,
and we thought, well, this is this is good.
Speaker 2: We like this, you know, we can at least put
animals here or you know something.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't. It's not too far from this house.
So we decided to bring the grandkids out with us.
The next time. We go out there, and all of
a sudden, kids quiet. There's no other than the ticks
crawling and everybody, you know, there's no sound.
Speaker 2: There's no I don't remember any wind or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And it was hot, it was summertime, and we all
of a sudden we hear rock clacking.
Speaker 2: Uh. And I looked at my partner and.
Speaker 1: I was like, did you hear that? And he's like, yep.
And so my oldest grandchild heard it. And she was
out of there. She was like, you know, don't you
have to have films to clack rocks together?
Speaker 3: Okay, so she quick one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she got in the truck and so I started
backing up. But when I did, we start kind of
just you know, taking pictures, just snapping pictures, and we
did see what looked like a face, but it could
have been paradiy because it's really grown up in that area.
Speaker 2: So we decided to pass on that land.
Speaker 3: Probably a wise choice.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's what I thought too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's there's so many people that are like, oh,
I want to see one so bad, and I would
love if there was bigfoot on my property and everything.
But honestly, most of the people that I've ever talked
to that have them on their property, they don't like it.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the medicine man says to me that
that he thinks that my youngest grandchild has away with things, yeah,
and knows things that he doesn't really know how to
tell us about yet. And you know, I don't want
to take a chance that that's why.
Speaker 2: Things are here to watch, you know.
Speaker 1: So and he's he's not about to be outside after
darket either. And he's a rough little guy. He likes
to play outside everything else. But once it starts getting dark,
he's in the house. He's got the drapes closed, and
he's not. You know, it's too bad for me if
I need him to help me carry on groceries, and
I don't like to be outside after dark.
Speaker 2: In fact, I will wait until my partner.
Speaker 1: I'll wait at the store until my partner you know,
comes home in the wintertime, and drive home together because
I'm not you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 1: Can't say that I was afraid of the first one
that I saw, but I wouldn't want to be in
front of something that big, just in case.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think it's also a little bit
different whenever you're someplace and you know that you can
leave there and it's going to stay there, hopefully, But
whenever you're at your house, I mean, where are you
going to go?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: For real, we deer hut out here, and I won't
look at the trail cam pictures just in case, because
if I see something then I'm out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, has he experienced anything out there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And he's you know, he's he's retired military
from Special Forces, so he it takes a lot to
get him all, you know, flustered or you can't even
jump scare him. So he's just like, well, you know,
he's lived out here a lot longer than I have.
And he says, oh yeah, you know sometimes we hear that,
and I'm like, oh really, uh yeah, like, oh yeah,
it happens all times of the day. You know, We've
noticed a lot towards the evening time, but it can
happen in the middle of the daytime. There is a
lake close by, and they had a concert a few
years ago, and we just kind of made We're sitting
out on the front porch and kind of made the joke,
well that's going to piss him off, and it did,
because there was hollering all night after that.
Speaker 2: I have seen Okay, you're gonna love this one.
Speaker 1: So a close friend and I were driving from Tulsa
to Bartlesville on Highway seventy five. Now, when you get
past Oschleda before you get into Bartlesville, there's like a
small I don't know whether it's a river or a
creek or whatever. You know, you pass over that and
then to the left hand side, so the west side
of the road is a field. It's got some of
the coond trees in it, you know, it's kind of
its bottom land. Well, there's also a pond there. So
we're driving on Highway seventy five and actually she was driving,
and I was, you know, looking around, because I'm always
looking around, you know, But there were a lot of
geese on this pond, and all of a sudden we
see this figure burst out of the trees, headed towards
that pond where the geese are, okay, so fast. And
our first thought was I was like, look at that,
What the hell? And she said, that man's huge. Now, okay,
so it wasn't goose season, it wasn't duck season, it
wasn't any kind of season.
Speaker 2: And we thought at first we thought this man, you know,
isn't a gilly suit.
Speaker 1: And then we could tell that it was not a
man because it was huge. It got all the way
to the pond before the geese got the heck out
of there, and he did.
Speaker 2: Not catch one.
Speaker 1: So stood there for a second, you know, because we
had slowed down. Stood there for a second, and then
he took off back into the trees. So my friend
is native American too, and so she was like that
was that was the big man, and I was like
it was. So We're like, well, okay, so let's try
to debunk this. So we got off of the highway
and tried to find, you know, any like their roads
around that area, if somebody had maybe parked, you know,
their truck and they were actually hunting when they weren't
supposed to be. But clear's day right there, and it
was probably ten o'clock.
Speaker 3: In the morning, just off the side of the highway, yep.
Speaker 2: And that's I saw another one off the side of
the highway. It was in June of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: I was headed to the Lake of the Ozarks for
work with my boss and just probably I don't know
how far east of Joplin we were, but I was
in the passenger seat. On the right hand side of
the road. There was a field and they had been
There were round bells out there, you know, are freshly cut,
and I see someone stand up on the other side
of a round bel Now I was not close, but
this person, you know it you know how tall round bells.
Speaker 3: Are, Yeah, they're huge, and.
Speaker 2: He I mean it looked like he had I've.
Speaker 1: Heard this before, but that's just I just have to
say it, because that's what it looked like. It looked
like there was a huge, huge person out there in
a black hoodie in the middle of June. You know,
it was probably about five o'clock in the evening, and
he stood up from behind that round veil and just
started walking off. And I could see past his well
almost down. Knew his abs when you.
Speaker 3: Stood up, like lower stomach area.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, I did a double take,
and you know, she was like, what are you looking at?
Speaker 2: And I was like.
Speaker 1: That, and she was like, well, that's a big man.
I was like that, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think that's a man. You know. Of course he's like okay,
and only went you know.
Speaker 3: Round bells depending on the bailer and all that, or
anywhere from we'll say four to six feet tall. So
and I was like five feet tall coming up to
your mid stomach, your lower stomach area, I mean that
would put it at least seven to eight feet tall.
I mean, yeah, that's a big man.
Speaker 2: He was. You know, he was in no hurry.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was doing behind the round
bell but you know, and that's you know, a major
highway there, you know, just like Highway seventy five is.
He wasn't concerned. He just started walking off towards the woodline, and.
Speaker 3: Your boss just passed it off mentally as just some
big guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's all I said. I was like, okay,
so when.
Speaker 3: We went I mean, I think that happens a lot.
You know, you were talking about them like coming around
the dances and everything, which I know with pretty good
certainty that their relationship with natives is different than just
a typical person. Obviously if that's due to history or
you know, who knows why, but that's the way it is.
I think that they've had relationships sort of lived in
harmony with one another for a long time. But it
seems like there's just certain ones at least that just
don't care and are aware that the humans aren't really
going to pay attention to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I think that they they
are smart enough to know that you know, these people
gone by in these cars when they're not going to
look right or two, they are not going to take
the time to turn around and see if that was
a you know, eight foot farmer in a black hoodie
in the middle of June, you know, on the side
of the road.
Speaker 3: And I mean by the time you got turned around
in everything, it's going to be long gone anyways.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it was it.
Speaker 1: You know, by the time she looked said, that's a
big guy, he was already almost to the woodline. And
I don't know how far that was, you know, I
was quite a ways from him. I couldn't far enough
that I couldn't see any features, just you know, this
big black or dark colored figure.
Speaker 2: So and I think, you know, I've heard.
Speaker 1: People say that that sometimes that people who have had
some you know, some interaction are marked or whatever. Yeah,
I think that for personally, for me, I'm just always
looking because I know, I know that they're out there,
and that's why I see things. It's because i'm looking.
I'm even when i'm driving, I'm looking.
Speaker 3: Deer Hunters have a lot easier time spotting deer than
non deer hunters. Yeah, and I think it's sort of
like that. I think once it's clipped in your brain
that they're out there and you've seen one, it's easier
for you to notice them. Do you think that there's
anything that people would consider paranormal about them or do
you think they're just another living creature like a deer.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I I am someone who believes in
strange things happening and in the paranormal. I know, for me,
I know that that stuff is real and can happen.
But anything that I've seen look like, you know, I've
seen tracks, I've seen you know, I've heard noises. But
like those tracks in the snow that we had in
the in the front yard. They started at the edge
of you know, a gravel driveway. Now there was snow everywhere,
clear snow. They started there and there was snow, you know,
on the gravel. They started there, they went to my
fence where my piglets were, and then that's all those
tracks on the other side of the fence. There's no
tree there. So I you know, I think they can
do things, just like you know, between me and you,
I think that there's some people that can do things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would one percent agree with that.
Speaker 1: There are there are people who know old ways in
things that many many people have forgotten, and so why
wouldn't they.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's something I've talked about recently actually with
someone one of my friends, about how I think that
it's just more of a case of there's probably some
out there, just like humans, that may have abilities or
knowledge of things that others don't. There might be one
who can just make its tracks look like they disappear,
and there might be some that run through a military
base holding their arm because they're hurt, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, bless his heart.
Speaker 1: See you know, like my grandparents were from southeastern Oklahoma,
all right, and yeah, so we never really specifically and
talked sat down and talked about Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: They were just.
Speaker 1: Country really, it's but they had nicknames for things that
they had, Like something would come through the middle of
their little town sometimes at night, scream and bloody, murder
all the way through town and keep writing into the woods, right,
you know. They they called that like uh, yahoo and
something else.
Speaker 2: There was another word that my grandmother used to use for.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah I heard before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember, but you know, so I'm pretty
sure that's probably what that was.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: My grandpa would say, oh, no, that was a cat,
you know, but my grandma was like, no, that wasn't
a cat that you know.
Speaker 3: What's wrong with you? You know what that was? My
granny she used to just give me hell. You know,
Relatives would come over and do you know what Matt's doing.
He's going out there looking for those big feet, you know,
and she just thought it was so funny, you know,
like what is wrong with you? Have you lost it?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And then you know, I saw one. So there was
that whole thing because she was outside of a few
people that were there at the time. Whenever I got
back home, she was, you know, the first person I told.
And you know, that was a very emotional conversation because
I was processing all of it and unpacking it and
you know, like, holy crap, these things are real, you know,
dealing with that. And after a while, I don't remember
what it was, but at some point in time I
said something about a booger. I referred to them as
a booker, and her eyes got big and she said, well, boogers.
I know what boogers are. And I thought she's going
to make some joke, because that's how she was. And
I said, oh, do you And she was like, are
you telling me that bigfoot is the same thing as
a booger? I grew up with the Those are the
old hairy men that live up in the mountains, and
she knew exactly what they were. And it turned out
one year at Thanksgiving, another uncle of mine kind of
got me cornered off by myself and he told me,
he said, so I heard you go out looking for sasquatch.
And I was like, uh, yeah, here it comes, like,
get to hear it from you now. Well, it turns
out that he used to go out looking for him
whenever he was young, and my great great grandmother who
passed away whenever I was like a year and a half.
So it was like his great grandmother growing up. She
had a sighting one whenever. They lived in the you know,
the hills of the Ozarks in Arkansas. And one night
they heard a big ruckus outside I think it was
raining or something. They had a bunch of hogs and
a pin out in front of the house they lived in,
just like a little dirt floor cabin, and her husband
grabbed the shotgun and she grabbed the wintern, and they
went out there and one was standing at the pig
pen and reached over and scooped up one of the
pigs and put it under one arm and just walked
off into the woods. They never fired a shot or anything.
They just went back in the house. And she had
told my uncle that story whenever he was young, and
I guess my mom and her other siblings knew it too,
but they never mentioned it to me, of course, but
I just couldn't believe it. It was like some family bigfoot history.
But here they're making fun of me all these years.
Speaker 2: And they don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Huh, don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: As someone who has had experience to some pigs very recently.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine they able to pick one up and
stick it under your arm and walk off with it. Yeah, Like,
that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1: You know when things the batteries will go dead or
car won't start or whatever. Well that's a thing because
Dad told me about that in like nineteen eighty seven.
So there is a trackway, but they knew that at
a certain time of the evening, if you were driving
down this road, you shouldn't go down this road because
there was a light that came from east to west
and it crossed the road and it took all the power,
took all the you know. And one night he was
out dicking around with his cousin that my grandparents were
raising also and they were coming from the house and
they've waited too late and the car died.
Speaker 2: You know. They were absolutely terrified because they could see the.
Speaker 1: Light coming and it came and went, and about thirty
minutes later the car started up and they went on,
I don't know what that is, and they don't know
what it is.
Speaker 2: They just always had the you know.
Speaker 1: The history to stay away from there at that time.
Speaker 3: Those lights are so weird. There. There's one up by Miama.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my sister has seen that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've talked to a couple of people. This girl I
know lives up there, and her and her sister have
you know, gone out and messed with it or whatever.
And it's just some don't sit right with it.
Speaker 2: I know it's to me, it feels bad, you know.
Speaker 1: And I know you went out and looked for bigfoot,
and I think you're freaking crazy for doing that.
Speaker 3: But I don't you know, I also quit going out
and looking for bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I did. I do know that I've heard you said
that people don't realize they're understanding in all ways. You know,
if you hear scary stories and say it must be
on a native burial ground.
Speaker 2: Well, this whole country is a native burial ground.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, everybody is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, and there are certain spots where,
you know, I think things are still there because they
have to take care of the people.
Speaker 3: With that being said, there's definitely some sort of connection
between the old burial grounds and them. They hang out
there for whatever reason. I don't know what that reason is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and other things too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So speaking of other things, have you heard about
anybody having any experiences with what people are now calling
dog Man.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's bad, Okay, it's it's like you know, you
know how with us if like with with you know, Bigfoot,
it's like we.
Speaker 2: Know they're there.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what kind of relationship we
had in the past, but if they're coming to the grounds,
they're there to get medicine, and you know, you know
what I'm saying. Yeah, and we I've been told that
they keep people because you know, there's rules when you
go out there, like you can't be drinking, so they
help you keep people out that aren't supposed to be there.
So that because you know, like for us, if we
do our green corn, you know, in June or July
that's new year for us. And also how we you know,
we ask God to make the upcoming year good.
Speaker 2: Right, right, So it's important that things go the way
they're supposed to go.
Speaker 1: And I have no idea how things, you know, I
don't know what everybody's saying when they're singing, you know,
and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: But my son, he he went.
Speaker 1: To a different ceremonial ground than what we're used to
going to, and he's saw something like that, like, I
don't know if I don't think we have a word
for dog man, or if we do. I've never heard
anything like that. But he saw two different things. Okay,
he saw a very big dog that would appear and disappear,
you know, and you know the elders that were like,
oh yeah, he's he's you know, he's keeping people out right.
But then he also saw something that looks like a
dog man, right, And and that has always been my
You know, how you're when you're a little girl or
or a little boy, you're afraid of things, right, And
I tried to rationalize, you know, well, how are you.
Speaker 2: Going to kill a were wolf?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Nobody's got silver bullets hanging around if you hide in
the house.
Speaker 2: It can smell you, you know, all that stuff. So
that was that's like the.
Speaker 1: Thing that I'm scared of, Like that's the worst thing
he could ever see. So he did see that, And
I have heard of people seeing those things. Some of
them look like coyote, which really coyotes.
Speaker 2: Freaking freaked me out.
Speaker 1: Like I know they're small and they're you know, we
have them a lot of them around here, but I
don't like them.
Speaker 2: They give me the creeps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're scary.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I will almost really see bigfoot than a pack of
coyotes for sure. Well I'll tell you what my youngest
son saw at my house. We hadn't lived there very long.
It is my younger son. He's four years younger, so
he he was probably fourteen or fifteen, I think.
Speaker 2: And my house backs.
Speaker 1: Up to woods to straight woods and then a pasture.
So and it's this little neighborhood. There's like it's like
a horseshoe and I'm on the bottom of the horseshoe.
And at that time, there weren't very many other houses
in the neighborhood. But we had just gotten street lights,
which I wasn't happy about. So he they used to
get up on the on the roof you know where,
because we used to have a big Fourth of July celebration.
Like some of them families down there had lots of
oil money and so they would pay for it, and
that's they would get and the boys would get up
on the roof of the house and watch. So had
decided to go on the roof of the house. And
it was, you know, after dark, and I was, I
don't know, in the house, probably reading something, and he
sees what he thinks is a coyote come trotting down
that road.
Speaker 2: No, we hadn't at that time.
Speaker 1: There weren't too many houses in the neighborhood, and we
had a next door neighbor on both sides. And so
he sees this coyote go behind our next door neighbor's house,
you know, like I said, we just got in street lights.
And then like so he's looking at it and deciding
whether he needs to get down off the house and running,
and decided to stay up there because it can't climb right.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: The next thing he knows, you know, about four feet up,
a hand like a raccoon grabs a hole of the
side of our neighbor's house, and the head that kind
of he's head peeked around, oh and looked at him. Yes,
it was standing up, you know, and so he was like,
I hear this blood curling scream, like mom. So I
ran outside, and of course I can't find him because
the little butt head's on the roof, right yeah.
Speaker 2: But of course when I got out there, it wasn't there.
And even to this day, he you know, if he
takes it.
Speaker 1: He's got a pit bull named Obie that he rescued,
and he is in his thirties now. He if he
goes back behind the house in the woods, he's back
before it gets dark. So I don't know what that was,
but it shouldn't have been there.
Speaker 3: That's kind of like one of my concerns with all this,
because you hear stories about dog man. I've never seen one.
Don't want to see one. I'm like you, I grew
up calling that idea werewolf and they eat people, so
I don't want to have anything to do with it.
But I mean, also growing up in Oklahoma, I mean,
there's several different possibilities to what he saw that night.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of possibilities, right, Yeah, So the first
thing I did was.
Speaker 2: Contact the medicine man. I got some stuff to put
around the house.
Speaker 1: He now, this is the only time he ever did this,
and I didn't ask him why, but because I don't,
I don't question him. But he gave me a knife
that he'd done something to and he told me to
put it under the doormat facing you know, outwards, like
to point out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he gave me some tobacco, uh for evening
or morning and evening. And then he told us to
stay out of the damn woods. And then he asked
me who I pissed off?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he kind of thought that, you know, mm hmm.
Option number two.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: His thought was it was something you know that we
don't want to say. Yeah, just coming to check out
the house because we hadn't live there very long, just
to see where we live.
Speaker 3: Again. I appreciate it. I'm glad you reached out.
Speaker 1: Yep, this holler whenever, and thank you so much for
letting me talk about my bigfoot or what I guess.
Speaker 2: He's a big fit to me, you know, Fort Leonard would,
so I appreciate it.
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