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Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Paranormal Portal podcast. I'm
your host Brent Thomas, and I'm absolutely thrilled you're here.
Thanks for being here and checking out the show. Always
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Speaker 4: And tonight we want to talk to you about the
dog Man. The dog Man, oh you know, so so Bigfoot,
Don is of course a pretty incredibly powerful, huge animal being, cryptid, hominid,
whatever you want to describe it as. It's this this
really ominous presence, and they've been witnessed all over the
face of the earth pretty much with the exception and
then the in the US. They've been cited everywhere except
for Hawaii. There's no there's no claims of Bigfoot in Hawaii. Now,
if Bigfoot had a little smaller but really crabby, ferocious cousin,
that would be the dog Man.
Speaker 5: It got a mendula, that's got whatever the hell I
because because it's got bad teeth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's got ferocious teeth, I mean, you know,
and that's a that's a good point, and we'll certainly
get to the the anatomy of it in a bit.
But so, ladies and gentlemen, everybody, if you're familiar with
bigfoot nowadays, you're familiar with the dog man because you know,
these kind of things really go hand in hand, and
there's lots of great shows that have done an amazing
job showcasing the dog man and showcasing encounters with the
dog men, and that's never going to be what we're
about here on the portal. We're not about trying to
duplicate what other people are doing. We just love to
have discussions about these different things and talk about them
because you know, it's it's it's one thing to maybe
know that something is out there, at least even inkling
of it, but there's so much more to this phenomena
that just seems to to just defy explanation. So the
dog man, ladies and gentlemen, is this six to eight
foot Sometimes you hear nine foot reports out there, but
it's it's a canid cryptid, and then by kenid that
means dog like or like a canine like, and oftentimes
they're reported as being incredibly tall, really long arms with
claws at the end, which is not a big foot
trade at all. So people are witnessing these almost talons
at the end of their fingers, and they do have hands,
but they can they can operate either quadrupedally or bipedally.
They have the head of a dog. They most oftentimes
looks like a wolf or a German shepherd kind of visage,
and they have what appears to be like the upper
body similar of a human being down to the waist
and in the thighs, but that's kind of where the
similarity stop, because they do have the backward legs, yes,
and you know, they have pretty distinct prints that are
apparently not really able to be confused with a normal
wolf for dog or anything because they're so distinct. But
they're the most popular locations for the dog men initially
was Michigan, and Wisconsin, and Ohio and Indiana has some
reports as well, but the Michigan dog Man, of course,
was where I first heard of it referenced, and people
are reporting seeing these things all over the place as well. Now,
what are your thoughts on this thing, just just preliminarily,
what do you think of that?
Speaker 5: I'm thinking if I had a choice between a big
foot and a dog man. I'd take the bigfoot because
at least, you know, there are some reports of you know,
them not being you know, aggressive, you know right, And
I think that's probably the worst thing about it to me,
is that the dog men seem to be the aggressive,
like you said, the meaner cousins, you know, right, And
I sure wouldn't want to meet one. You know, dogs
are scary enough, but when you put it on top
of a six foot body an eight foot body, and
then you talk about their claws, you know, and their feet,
you know, that's just crazy.
Speaker 4: They are, I mean, it is, it is, and they are.
I agree with everything you just said. They do reports
people that report seeing them most often are not attacked.
They are usually intimidated, though, and it's clearly a display
of force or power in order to get people out
of whatever area they're in. They apparently don't have a
whole lot of time for people. So like, there aren't
a whole lot of reports or even mentions of you know,
I saw a dog man and and it waved at me,
you know, yeah, there there is no a whole lot
of that going on.
Speaker 5: There and just peeking around a tree.
Speaker 4: It's more like I saw a dog man and I
had to scrape my underwear and you know, it was horrible.
I mean, these are these are just incredibly intense encounters.
And people see this thing and they I mean, and
I don't blame them. I would have the same reaction
as well. It's like, oh my god, is this when
I die? You know, I mean, that's like, really, it
is this when I die? Because this is such a large,
menacing being and has intelligence. The physical display of strength
and agility are are just off the charts, and so
you know, you can't run it. You can't. There's nothing
we physically are capable of. If it weren't for the
fact that we have technology in the form of weapons
that can supersede that physical ability, we would we would
be we would be toast. I really don't believe that
a human being could really mount any kind of resistance
at all to any of these kind of big cryptids,
just due to the fact that they are so far
off the charts. Fast, strong, cunning, quick, and you know,
you think about it, ladies and gentlemen, we are not
in tune with our environments, you know, we're not. I mean,
we live in our in our you know, manicured lawns
with sidewalks and paths and roads that are paved. And
you know, when we move into a place, we reshape
it to our comfort. So the places where we have
cities and towns and communities are no longer even resembling
what they once were prior to the habitation of people. However,
these beings live in those environments. They live and survive
and thrive in those situations, you know, and they know
when something's not right. They know when people are around,
long before people are even aware that something just doesn't
even feel right. I mean, they knew, you know. I
mean they know when people are just maybe even thinking
of coming. It's like, wait, my dog man sense is tingling.
It's kind of you know, I don't know about that.
And of course there's a lot of fantastic claims out
there about what they are, but the one thing that
they are is they are They apparently resemble the werewolves
in the Underworld series is what I've heard most commonly
referred to when people that have witnessed these things come
forward to discuss it. That's what they liken it too,
and that to me is absolutely terrifying. You've seen those
movies right down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely likings yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, without the whole man transform.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 4: So they're like they're like ferocious and big all the time. Now,
don what do you think about the physical prowess of
us as human beings?
Speaker 5: I think we're sorely lacking, you know. I mean it's
one thing to you know, go and lift weights and
have shoulder day and leg day, you know, or or
drink that you know, grass smoothie, whatever that may be.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: But I mean, you know, we're as individuals, we're fine,
you know, but we fit into our paradigm. Are are
our earth paradigm as we've cut it out, as you
so aptly put, you know, we've shaped it around our needs.
And then when compared to you know what you know
have been described as werewolves or you know, dog man.
However you may look at that, we don't stack up.
We just don't so exactly.
Speaker 4: It's like we are we are just this side of sloth,
you know, in terms of speed, In terms of I
mean we swim slowly. A minno could pass you know,
an Olympic swimmer. I mean, honest to god, I mean
that's how fast we swim in comparison to the natural
world and.
Speaker 6: Running, we're you know, uh, and these things are just
little little beanie babies with attitude, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're just tiny and they could just and
we are so slow. We're agile, you know. You look
at like cats and things and even dogs and any
kind of animal. They are a part of their environment.
They really have natural skills that allow them to be
a part of their environment. We don't. We are absolutely
fish out of water in the traditional sense of the word.
I mean, if if if any kind of predator were
after us, we would be sorely lacking in so many
different ways. If it wasn't for our technology, we would
never have gotten out of the soup, you know. I
mean really we would never have have adapted.
Speaker 5: And excelled climbing out of there with crutches anyhow.
Speaker 4: Right, well, kind of flippers. But no, I think that
that's important because, of course, you talk to people that
are actively involved in the outdoors, and by actively involved
ladies and gentlemen. So for those skeptics that are out there,
like I've been hunting my whole life. I've been out
in the woods ever since I was a little child
three years old. I've never seen nothing. Well, by being
in the woods, you might mean that you go hunting
two or three times a year and fishing, you know
a dozen or sometimes camping at you know. Yeah, I
mean really when our experience in the woods and in
the wilds is extraordinarily limited, and it seems that for
the most part, these beings as well have chosen not
to have us around. So when we're around, they of
course aren't for the most part. But you know, some
of the greatest stories for me are the ones where
the people that have been, you know, skeptical of all
this stuff suddenly do have an encounter and then they
quit hunting. You know, so many hunters that have encountered
bigfoot and stuff or dog man will just hang it up.
It's just like, way, wait a minute, nope, you know,
I mean, it's just a nope factor that So that's
in a nutshell what the dog man is, ladies and gentlemen.
And I've never seen one. I've not had any kind
of experience with this, and I hope I never do,
I think either, Yeah, exactly, I mean, this is the
one cryptid well, there's several, but this is one of
them for sure. That's on my top of the don't
want it list, the nope list for me personally, because
they're never happy to see people there. Every encounter is
just this really aggressive confrontation. And people have had cameras,
they've had guns, they've had everything, and once they're confronted
with this eight foot tall, you know, bucket of fangs
and claws, it's like the last thing they're thinking of
is hey, I should draw you know, let me rack
around here quick. They're just like, you know, and just
like I was saying, it's like, is this the part
where I die? You know. So it's never a pleasant experience.
But we're going to get into more about this to night,
and throughout our discussion we're going to talk about some
some ideas that have been out there and uh, you know,
some claims, and you know, we're going to reference a
few things. But I hope I don't I would. I
don't want to impress on any of you that this
is going to be an exhaustive coverage of the dog Man.
This is this is certainly one of many episodes of
this topic that we'll be covering, because it is a
really incredibly complicated and robust topic area all by itself.
You know, it's something that that could you know, well,
obviously there's there's shows like Vic Kundiff what is his
dog Man Encounters dog Man Encounters show, and he dedicates
all of his time to dog Man and and that's
a whole lot of encounters and uh experiences with these things.
And there's several others out there too, and many many
other shows do cover this from time to time. And
that's the way we'll be on the portal is we'll
we'll definitely tell this and give it as much light
as we can. Now. We we had the pleasure of
having Linda Godfrey on the on the portal UH few times,
and she was wonderful and really incredibly knowledgeable. She's she
gave us some photos that we got to premiere which
were excellent, and you can you can find Linda's appearances
excuse me, you can find Linda's appearances on our YouTube
channel at YouTube dot com slash Paranormal Portal and start
with the first one she gave us. She had on
also a co investigator of hers, Lee Hemple, and they
gave us some photos of some things that they'd uncovered
on Lee's property and it's just amazing and bizarre, and
they were talking about the you know, when they were
taking like dead deer and stuff and placing them out
with camera traps, and and how just tons of weirdness happened.
That seems to really defy the imagination and may demonstrate
a real supernatural side to this whole phenomena, which I
find absolutely astounding, because I think we have a tendency
don when when confronted with things like Bigfoot and dog Man,
we like to put them in a very physical category.
And maybe that's our our initial reaction because that just
makes it easier for us to comprehend. But what if
they are also a supernatural being of some kind.
Speaker 5: Well, the only thing I could think of theirs were screwed,
because you know, if they're supernatural, you know, there have
been reports. I was listening to Art Bell ages ago,
and he was talking to somebody who was out at
Skinwalker Ranch, and they said that it was nighttime. They
had IR goggles and IR cameras out there, and with
their naked eye they did not see this happen, but
through the IR. One witness said that he basically saw
a portal open and out came a dog man.
Speaker 4: Hey, I you know, and that's funny because that does
kind of line up with some of the things that
Linda was talking about in a rudimentary sense, because what
she referenced was they had these camera traps with carcasses
tied down, and she said it was it was really phenomenal.
And I'm paraphrasing ladies and gentlemen, so forgive me again.
Watch the full episode to get the whole detail of
the story from both her and Lee. But she said
that suddenly there'd be just the weird mist in one frame. First,
like there'd be a regular frame, then a weird mist
that seemed to obscure most of the scene, and then
nothing in the frame after that, you know, even the
carcass would be gone. And so something happened, and her
her co researcher Lee, you used Moultrie trail cams, and
he had all of the specifics down about how many
how many frames per second it was capturing, and I
think it was three frames per second that it was
set to capture. So if something triggered today would do
three shots over the period of a second, and so
all of this would have transpired within that same period. Now,
the area that they were showcasing and talking about. Of course,
was Bray Road, which is one of the books that
really put Linda on the map. And Linda Godfrey, I
think is truly the godmother of the dog Man, you know,
I mean, she really put it on the map for
all of us because she's been at it for a
long time and she's really done an amazing job of
taking all of this different information from so many different sources,
making it cohesive and making it, you know, at least
have makes some kind of sense. Like she's covered so
many things from claims to legend to Native American legend,
and she's tied it all together really well. And her
material is really phenomenal, and if you haven't read her books,
please check them out because you know you won't miss it.
But they did actually have some really weird things that
showed up on trail camp photos as well, and those,
of course, ladies and gentlemen are on that episode. She
let us premiere it for the world, and I was
really honored with that. But a great episode, and it's
to this day it's still our most popular episode by
a long shot. So but really, she really did a
lot of correlating of different events to put together some
sort of behavior pattern. One of the things that she
was able to isolate is that these dog men seemed
to follow waterways. So they use these streams and lakes
and ponds and aquifers and stuff as you know, maybe
not aquifers because they're underground, right, but but they use
them as they're basically their their mode of transportation. They're
always sighted within close distance of a waterway. And I
believe the Bray Road, of course, has a waterway going
right through there in the form of a stream of
some so I thought that that was really interesting. And
I don't know, is that just what do you suppose
that is done?
Speaker 5: You know, it would makes sense because I mean, you know,
if if you were out lost in in the woods,
and or even if you knew where you were, but
you know, weren't sure, you know, you know, you would
want to find a waterway too, because you know, rivers flow.
You know, you follow a river, e you're upriver or
down river, you're going to come to something, you know,
because there's going to be homesteads on there, There's going
to be possibly you know, if you're if you're falling
the Mississippi, there's a million cities on that are you know,
a million towns, you know, so, I mean, you know,
it just makes sense that somebody or something would follow waterways. Now,
they would be of course following waterways for you know,
the benefit of the water itself. But then again game
needs water as well, so not only that, but they're
hunting as well, So it would totally make sense to me.
Speaker 4: It's true.
Speaker 5: You know, they would be following it for both water
and food. And maybe they understand that this, you know,
flows this way and it goes here, you know, migratory routes, right,
things like that. So it makes total sense.
Speaker 4: No, it does, You're right, And that's that's a good,
a good, a good way of looking at it. That
it does make sense that well water is of course
key to any prey animal. Absolutely, that's you know, the
lions in the Serengetti are always hanging around the waters
because that's where the the the herbivores go to drink.
Speaker 5: But you know what's funny about that, though, is they
share the water. It's when they get away from the
water that they don't you share any more.
Speaker 4: That's true, That is that is a curiosity. I guess
I never considered that but you're right, but I think
it's very interesting in both those things I pulled up
our garbage. I just looked at two of the things
I pulled up and like, nope, nope, I got I
got something pulled up here. I thought I had pulled
it up, but I guess I had omitted it. But
this is something from Wikipedia, and it talks about the
Michigan dog Man, And if you don't mind, I'll read
this at least portions of it. I don't want to
be exhaustively reading it. But it says the Michigan in
Michigan folklore. Of course, this is Wikipedia, ladies and gentlemen,
so everything that's not the normous folklore. The Michigan dog
Man was allegedly witnessed in eighteen eighty seven in Wexford County, Michigan.
I did not realize that it went back that far.
The creature is described as a seven foot tall, blue
eyed or amber eyed, bipedal canine like animal with the
torso of a man and a fearsome howl that sounds
like a human scream. According to legends, the Michigan dog
Man appears in a ten year cycle that falls on
years ending in seven I didn't know that. Sightings have
been reported in several locations throughout Michigan, primarily in the
northwestern quadrants the Lower Peninsula. In nineteen eighty seven, the
legend of the Michigan dog Man gained popularity when disc
jockey Steve Cook at WTCM FM recorded a song about
the creature and its reported sightings. Okay, so, and then
it goes on to the history. It says this creature
is unknown to most of the modern world until very
late in the twentieth century. It is said to have
been stalking the area around Manistee River since the days
when the Otdawa tribes lived there. Odawa adoa Odawa. I
don't know if I'm pronouncing that. Well, I'm going to
take your word for it. It's just it's not a
word I'm familiar with. So I apologize to the Odawah nation.
That's not my intent to butcher your name. Authentic source
sources for sightings made prior to nineteen eighty seven, however,
have never been documented beyond Steve Cook's song to discuss below. Huh, well,
it sounds like there was a documentation in eighteen eighty seven,
wasn't there.
Speaker 5: That's what I read as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't know how they get to that
that has never been documented prior to that, and that
would be of course not necessarily true. Now, I suppose
that would be a good segue to talk about things
like the Sinocephaly and stuff from the ancient world, sure,
and the Egyptian depiction of the god Anubis, all of those. Now,
the Sinocephae were these apparently fierce warriors in the ancient
world who had the heads of dogs, and in fact,
one of these was supposedly went on to become a
saint of the Catholic Church. It was Saint Christopher, I think,
who was supposedly a Sinocephaly, or in other words, had
the head of a dog. And these were very, very
fierce warriors, and they they created terror wherever they went.
In fact, many ancient armies would allegedly, if I'm understanding
this history correctly, would allegedly make fake dogheads and put
them on a few of their soldiers as they marched through,
just so that other armies wouldn't attack them. So they
were they were regarded with such fear that that it
even protected people just by looking like there were some there,
and so this is, you know, this is not a
new thing of having these excuse me, man like dog
creatures or you know, canine type men running around. This
is you know, pretty much as old as our modern
histories or any histories not modern at all. So I
think that that deserves some kind of reference at least
in this whole deal, that it's not just an old,
old thing, is it.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry I was reading about Saint Christopher. No, you know,
I did, I did. I do agree, you know, I
do see the report about an eighteen eighty seven siding,
so I can definitely you know, you know, I see
a different one than what you talked about, and it
talks about it had black fur, a tail was huge,
at least three feet long. But yeah, I mean obviously
they go back before, you know, nineteen seventy seven, you know,
when the disc jockey made that song, you know. But yeah,
I did look up Saint Christopher and that is the one. Yeah,
that is the one. Now, I always thought Saint Christopher
was also supposed to be It says was supposed to
be seven foot tall with the head of a dog.
Now I always was told that he was. Yeah, the
story of children he found and then came across the
Mighty River, so he was he's a saint of children
and travelers.
Speaker 4: Well there you go. But he's apparently a dog man saint.
Speaker 5: And it does it does say, is I'm sorry this sinocephal.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's how I think it's pronounced.
Speaker 5: Well that's you're closer than I am. I'm sure a das.
So yeah, it does connect those two that I just found.
So it's very interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that was really interesting too. And of
course I don't know, you know, it's it's at least
a real curiosity that there's reports of these things going
that far back, including becoming a saint of the Catholic Church,
which you know, which makes me believe. Then do you
think these things talked with people at some point?
Speaker 5: Well, they must have, because you know, I mean, to
be spreading the word of God, you know, you have
to speak you know, the language.
Speaker 4: Now they just gave him pamphlets?
Speaker 5: Did you like to watch Tower? But you know, it's
it's interesting because you know, but then again, if you
if you talk about speaking in tongues, who knows what
can happen?
Speaker 4: Right, So his recruiting must have been amazing you need
to go to church. Okay, Okay, no problem.
Speaker 5: Can I get a free pair of undies please? You know,
but I mean, I was just reading. I just happened
to come across one of Linda Godfree's blogs. I was
coming through. I didn't realize this was hers. But it
talks about it talks about David Walks as a bear.
It's called Bear's Den by David Walks as a Bear.
And it says it talks about the legend of the
dog Man. However, from the you know, the native.
Speaker 4: Side.
Speaker 5: It says, so there's the legend of the dog Man
here in Michigan North Woods. Eh. There's even a nifty
song about him. Eh. Hey, it seems like a shape
shifting deal to me. So here we go. But first,
if you want to learn more about okay, well skip
that part. Now. As a rule, Indians are pretty generic
like Americans, British Lithuanians. Their cultures and the languages very
a bit. It says, back in the eighteen sixties there
were a group of warriors of Cheyenne warriors called the
dog Soldiers or dog Bend for many poor US troopers.
So this is back, you know, back in civil or
pre Civil War. I suppose they were the special forces
of their time, like wolves or wild dogs. They were
tenacious in their pursuit of prey and would come back
against and against again and again and again until they
want victory. But these are but depending on your point
of view, shape shifting can change. For Indians, shape shifting
is applied in hunting, song and dance, healing and warfare.
A brave well study his spirit animal for many years
to learn of its uniqueness and mannerisms. So basically what
I'm getting here is that they, through their spirituality and
the the connection with their spirit animal, that they would
change into an animal in that kind of a sense.
So you know, if you want to look back that far,
you know they're they're you know, if you want to
look at the shy and dog man, then you know
you're you're talking about a different kind of dog man,
I'd imagine. But they're talking about shape shifting. Wow, you
know too. And it says shape actually shape shifting into
real dogs in quotes, real dogs that they mimicked in battle.
So huh, I wonder if some of them come from
that as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to know, I guess, but yeah, this
the rabbit hole gets pretty deep when you start looking
into the into the histories that I might have contributed
to this modern day experience that people are having. But
you know, it's it's it's incredible. And the thing that
that I find amazing is that this is one that
I didn't hear about until maybe maybe ten years ago.
Before that, i'd never heard anything about a dog man,
and but then again, it was not part of our
popular culture until more recently. Again anyway, so I'm sure
in the first nations they've they've had, you know, stories
and legends about these things for you know, all time,
but you know, I'm not familiar with most of those.
But when you know, I think I learned about this.
I think through dark Waters is where I first heard
of the dog Man and I was listening to him.
Maybe it wasn't ten years ago, maybe it was less.
I don't remember how long ago I was listening. I
think it was see him, but maybe i'd heard about
it before then, But just you know, I didn't really
know what to do with it, so I just threw
it in the back of my mind with all the
other garbage that I've heard and not known what to
do with. Through my life. But yeah, but it's just
one of those one of those stories that once I
heard it, it really was just like, oh my god,
you know, I was, I was really taken aback when
I started researching Bigfoot. And that's still, you know, of course,
is incredibly profound. In fact, I just went out mushroom
hunting today in the mountains and I was always looking
around thinking what would it be like to see like
an eight foot hairy thing stalking you? Now I wasn't
thinking in terms of dog men, but but I mean,
so that would be like, that would be like the
next step, you know, like you're playing the game of
what if? It gets worse every time, like, well what
if this? Then? What if this and this? So what
if a big hairy thing was stalking you and it
looked like a.
Speaker 5: Dog man backwards knees?
Speaker 4: Yeah, now that that would just that would that would
screw me up something huge. I don't know if I
could even move the time to go, yeah, and you
just hope it's far enough away so you've got time
to go. But now, the other thing that I've noticed
is a lot of these accounts and encounters with these
these beings is really pretty close like they get up
pretty close before they reveal themselves, and then it's like,
you know, you can't run, you know, you can't, you can't.
Speaker 5: There's nothing physically you can do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all you can do is just stand there. And
most people that encounter them just freeze because and I
suppose it's a primal response. It's the fight or flight. Well,
you know, you can't outrun it. You know, you can't leave,
so you can't fly, fly, so there's no flight available
to you other than you know, the mere seconds it
would take to just you know, disembowel you while you're
in full stride, you know, I mean really, there's just
nothing you could do if if you're confronted with something
so big and so powerful, but you know, what do
you do? And so a lot of people talk about
just freezing, right, and and that seems to be honestly
the best response, because then they continue the staring match,
and once they've exhibited their dominance, then they just kind
of back up. And and of course everybody that's had
these experiences doesn't stick around and go let's see if
we can see it again. They're like, let's get the
hell out of here. Yeah, it's a long past time
to go. Let's get the hell out of here now.
But horribly intense experiences, very wild. But ladies and gentlemen,
we're gonna go to our break. We're a little late
going to the break, but we're going to do that now.
So please stick with us and we will get into
more of this on the other side. Don't go away,
all right, ladies and gentlemen, We are back and uh
we are talking about the dog Man phenomena tonight, and
Donn and I are just going through a whole laundry
list about this thing that we've we've been uncovering through
the years of doing the paranormal portal along with our
own you know, personal match that we've gained through the
research and such. But this, honestly, don is it's got
to be about the most terrifying thing you could encounter
in the woodlands. Bar none. I mean, like nothing comes close, right,
I mean, honestly, if you see a bear, you know,
you can go o bear you get They tell you
get big, you know, make make a low voice bear,
you know, and they put your arms out really wide
and tall, and and you try to increase how big
you look. And most often bears will avoid people at
all costs. Anyway.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you remember I had that one that ran
across my yard that day, and there were four of
us standing out there. He just he and he had
to have been a four or five hundred pound bear
and just ran right through my yard, looked right at us,
kept going. I'm like, you just keep going. So yeah,
I mean if if you avoid them, they'll avoid you
for the most part. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Don't you wonder what was going on that pushed that
bear there?
Speaker 5: Well, I know that he was visiting the next door neighbors,
and the next door neighbors have some pretty intimidating dogs,
so the dogs were barking. He was coming from that direction.
I think he was just thinking, get the hell away,
you know. But yeah, he just ran right through. He
jumped up into my yard, ran across my yard and
down to the pond. I'm like, oh, wow, wow, okay, cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's a positive encounter.
Speaker 5: Yes, it wasn't bad.
Speaker 4: So that's like you saw wildlife. Yep. And it continued
through your yard and we respected it and it didn't
need anybody on the way through. Nope, and then done yep. Now,
now repeat that scenario in your head with a dog.
Speaker 5: Man barked, yeah. You know, I don't know if they
would have stopped and just look, or you know, ran
and looked over like hey, what's up and then down
the hill. I think they would have been like, hey,
your lunch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, I'm so hungry. Of course I don't know that.
You know the other thing about these these supercrypt these
supercryptids or whatever, I don't know what else to call them.
It's just they're so big, so powerful. But in many cases,
dogs don't want anything to do with them. You know.
There's so many stories of bigfoots, right, and how these
these fierce hunting dogs will cower underbeds just because they
know they're near. So there's some kind of primal knowledge
in those dogs, on a genetic memory or whatever that says, no,
these things can kill us, you know, they like learned
that somewhere in their ancient history. And of course the
same thing is true with dog men. And now, granted,
there are many stories regarding bigfoot where people's dogs get
torn apart, you know.
Speaker 5: And there's the stories of them killing coyotes and wolves
as well.
Speaker 4: Yes, up, and you know, they they clearly don't like
the competition, and they I think I think, for for
the most part, with dog men and bigfoot dogs give
them away, you know, because the senses of a dog
are so much more at tuned and can pick up
the subtle bits of noise that they might make. Because
for our ears, they're absolutely silent, you know, they make
no noise. But for a dog's ears, I'm sure they
know they're coming and certainly alert. But I think that
they try to take out the dogs if they're interested
in in stealth, in stealth and possibly stalking property for
you know, for whatever reason. You know, not necessarily they're
going to eat people, but they may want to eat
something on your property, like you may have chickens chickens
for instance, you know, or something to that regard. So
that is possible that they that they actually single out
dogs and take them out so they can do their
stuff without being alerted, you know. And you think about
that down how many times? And you live out in
the country and I used to live out in the
country too. I live in a more urban setting now,
But how many times did you go out at night
and just some dog in the far distance? Oh yeah,
was just you know, I can't tell you back back
where I lived in Minnesota, it would be like this
chain of barking, you know, from like a mile away.
It was really faint, and then as time progressed, the
you know, the successive dogs at different houses would be
you know, alerting as well. And it's very very creepy.
You know, you don't know what they're alerting to. And
once you start looking into this stuff, you know, it
becomes part of your part of your possibility pool. It's like, well,
you know, that could just be a deer, or what
if it's a bigfoot. You know, what if it's a
dog man. You know, that's the kind of stuff I
think about because I don't know. Maybe maybe dogs alert
for deer all the time too, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Wow, I just found an interesting description. Please, it's I'm
just gonna read the description. I'm going to read the
lead up to it. About fifty yards to the right
of us, we saw something moving. We didn't think any
of it, anything of it until we heard big twigs
start to snap. I got out my mag light and
shined it in the area. I saw something that was
not human. There were crickets all around, and all of
a sudden, they all stopped. I kept on seeing something
move over in the woods, kind of a silhouette. I
thought it was a deer until I shined my light
on it. It must have been six foot nine. It was tall, huge, tall.
It was humanoid. I could see below the mid section.
I could see the I could see thighs, but not feet.
I'm believing it's bipedal.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 5: The hair was either dark brown or black, probably dark brown.
Must have been covered. It must have covered most of
its body, maybe an inch long. We did see one arm.
One of my friends saw it. It was behind a tree,
a little wooded area, and it stood half behind the
tree and exposed. It didn't move at all until we
had the light on it. His upper arm was longer
than a human's. When we shine the light on it, it
was just standing looking a little hunched. So six foot
nine is the guest there. He says, it was just huge, tall,
humanoid mid section thighs but knocked feet. It's you know,
so either dark brown, inch long fur. One of its
arms was longer than a human So interesting.
Speaker 4: Wow. Oh.
Speaker 5: I only got a small view of its face. I
could tell it was very hairy, but it didn't remind
me of a dog's face. It made me think more
of a human. Interesting. So this one, this one, this
report is still being I guess, is still being Oh no,
this is from six or two thousand and six, So
maybe I'll have to chase that one down a little
bit more. But that's interesting.
Speaker 4: That's a lot interesting. That is really wild. I don't know,
you know, it's so they follow waterways. They they obviously
are known to take down you know sometimes well I
can only say they're alleged two of course, because there
are no facts in any of this, unfortunately, but there's
a lot of allegation. But they're known to, you know,
go after herds and farmers fields, such as sheep, such
as other animals such as you know, bigger animals, smaller animals.
They're known to go after dogs. In fact. Now that
the confusion can also come in when you're talking about
a type four bigfoot, which is, yeah, the baboon knows
one like the Beast of Seven Shoots, and there's a
famous picture of that and allegedly the backstory, according to Duke,
is that it's you can see something white in its arms,
and what the backstory of that is is that it
was apparently carrying in its arm, under one of its arms,
a full poodle, you know, not the little toy poodle
size or the little mini poodles right, more of a
standard yeah, like the German shepherd sized poodles. And it
was carrying one of those, or it had like it
had like gotten it and was going to eat it.
And it's like now when you look at the pictures
of those they have, they do have, like you said,
exactly the bad boon type of snout. And so you
got to wonder, as we're looking into this, how much
is it just miss misidentification? Sure? You know, what if
there are a lot more Type four bigfoots and maybe
not not really the dog man around, what if they're
all Type four bigfoots? And that's what's hard to tell,
ladies and gentlemen. There's really no way to no way
to know for sure. But I think the clincher for
that is when people get views of the full body,
when the backward knee comes in to say, that's not
a bigfoot trade at all. That is something completely different, right,
and that you know, imagine if you're if if a
wolf was standing up on its on its back legs,
stretching into the sky, it would it would have the
wolf type legs, and now the feet are bigger on
the dog man, but but you know, there'd be no
mistaking that for a bigfoot. I don't know. I you know,
this is one of those topics that I really wish
I knew a lot more about it, But then again.
Speaker 5: We don't want to know much more.
Speaker 4: It's one of those that it's it's it's kind of
better just to know pieces of it, because then I
don't have to think about it every time I'm mount
in the woods, you know, because you know, honest to God,
when you read about these things and then you do
go out in the forest like I got as I
was explaining going out mushroom hunting, you suddenly think about
those things. It's like, what would I do if a
nine foot bigfoot decided, you know, to charge us? What
would I do if there was a dog man just
suddenly appeared, And you know, we're out next to a
creek bed up in the mountain, so there's a waterway,
and this is going through my mind, like what if
you know, what would you do? And I don't know,
I don't know. I keep getting stuck on that don
that's where my head goes back to it's like what
would I do?
Speaker 5: Well, you know that's they tell you, you know, play
that game with yourself. You know, if I'm in this situation,
what would I do? You know? That way, you know,
you have you trained yourself to think about it, so
you hopefully could react when it happens. If it happens.
Let's let's say if it happens in this case, because
we don't want it to win it happens, right, because
you know, like you said, you know, there there have
been reports this this one report that I was just
reading talks about it chasing his car up to forty
miles an hour. Wow, and it was on its four
on four feet at that time. Oh okay, so you
know he he does believe it was a dog man.
But you know, think about that for a minute, you know,
I mean, you know something that can run it forty
miles an hour, you know, and yeah, it's on its
four legs. But you know they use every advantage they can, right,
you know.
Speaker 4: And so and that's just the one you're seeing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, what if they hunt packs?
Speaker 4: Right? That's the other parts. Are they a social animal? Yeah?
I mean, because we believe bigfoot are There's many, many
accounts of bigfoot pushing deer and then there'll be an
ambush party somewhere under the route there pushing and you know,
and it's really pretty pretty uh, you know, complicated.
Speaker 5: It's not sophisticated.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sophisticated. Yes, thank you. It's like it's not like,
oh me see deer, nummy, you know, and and right,
you know, and then the game is on. It's like
they they do actually have a strategy and that really
denotes a lot of intelligence. Now, wolves also hunt in
that they do, and they are, but they are also
a very intelligent animal. Are they human intelligent? No? But
what if these things are, these dog men are human intelligent?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, that brings up another question though, too
is are dogmen natural? Are they supernatural? Or are they
genetically modified as well?
Speaker 4: Well, that's a good point. Now, there's a lot of claims,
ladies and gentlemen, that the dogmen that we're dealing with
in today's world are some kind of experiment or maybe
a failed experiment, maybe a very intentional experiment. I don't know,
but there are claims from several different sources out there,
and I have no dog in this race, no horse
in this race at all. So for me, I don't
know what to make of those claims. Is it possible,
I guess because I don't think there's a lot of
restraint on government testing, and you know, in most cases
they kind of just do whatever they want to see
if they can. Well, hell, it happens everywhere, but especially
in government things, because when they are trying to develop
a weapon, and if it's a by logical weapon, then
that's even better that has intelligence and can be directed,
you know, I mean, would you put it past them done?
Speaker 5: Not at all, because we already know, we already see
stories about them using pig genes to clone you know,
human human hybrid human pig hybred, you know. And now
whether that's true or not, it doesn't matter, because you know,
they there have been these secrets that have come out,
you know, talk about you know, the black, black, black
aircraft programs like the A twelve and the and the
the the SR seventy one's, you know, they were black
projects at one time, but now they're fact, you know,
so who knows.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, exactly in the U two spy plane and
all that exact those are all just rumors but then
they then they come out so TRB three t R
three B. Yeah, that's the new one, right, that's regul
So you know, would you put it past the gum
at all? Now? Okay? And I don't think I would either,
because you know, I mean, what did China do? They
just came out and talked about putting human brain genes
into monkeys, into chimps, and it's like, really, I saw
that movie. It doesn't end well, yeah, exactly, It's like, wow,
could you really could you really not see how that
works out? Let me direct your attention to nineteen seventies TV.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: So you know, I mean, clearly the experimentation issue is
is probably on the board somewhere. I don't know if
it accounts for everything people are seeing, but maybe it accounts.
Speaker 5: For some of it, you know. And we've had somebody
on the show so that, you know, Dog Soldiers.
Speaker 4: Yep, I know, I know. Keep that in mind, yes,
and I you know, I don't discount that it's not possible.
I'm just saying it's just one of those things that
I generally just try to stay positive, you know, that
things aren't quite as bad as they could be, and
maybe that makes me naive. It might very well be
a naive state of mind, but I just think that
I would like to think that hopefully everybody's working towards
a common good here. But you know, i'd probably be
pretty disappointed if I knew all the truths. But then again,
you know, who can know. We're never going to know
everything that's been done or is being done. But you know,
these things are out there. Clearly, there's a lot of witnesses.
There's thousands and thousands of witnesses to these creatures as well,
and that's not counting big for this is just dog men.
There's thousands of encounters with dog men, and so people
are seeing something and hopefully, you know, we'll continue to
dive into this phenomena and come to a better understanding
of what this all means. But I don't know. It's
the idea that the thing that keeps surprising me as
we discover the paranormal and as we read search it down,
is how little we probably know that, yeah, you know,
there's a fact, and how how how much are we
looking at the world through rose colored glasses because we
don't even have a clue of all that's going on
around us and that's uh, that's kind of frightening. Really
it is. I think it is, it is, But what
do you think I think there?
Speaker 5: I think I agree. You know, there's just too much
going on, you know, too many different people and countries
and types you know, all the you know, because we
have you know, back you know, Cold War era. You know,
the Russians are you know, doing these experiments with psychics
and and remote viewing and this, that and the other.
Speaker 4: But they human and yeah, ape DNA right or or
at least cross breeding. They tried crossbreeding. I don't think
they knew about DNA back then, but.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, but I mean it just it just speaks
to the point of somebody's had to have done some
kind of experimentation, right, you know, to come to these conclusions.
And it's just all scary, you know, whether you believe
it's natural, supernatural, or you know, genetically modified in some way,
it's just scary all the way around, especially as you said,
when we talk about the dog men.
Speaker 4: Absolutely so, ladies and gentlemen. I think that's going to
wrap up our journey tonight, just a nice all around
discussion about the dog man phenomena. It's certainly something We'll
be diving into way more specifically in future episodes, but
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