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Speaker 1: Let's talk pets on Petlife Radio dot com.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back everyone. I'd like to welcome Thomas Zaler. He

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is a comic artist and writer. Welcome Tom.

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Speaker 5: Hello, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: I'm thrilled to have you. So let's share with our

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listeners your background and maybe give them some graphics through

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the airwaves possible.

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Speaker 5: Well, I've been drawing all of my life. I can't

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remember ever not wanting to be a comic book artist.

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And I went to an art school in New Jersey

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called the Joe Kubert School, which is one of the

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few schools in the country that teach cartooning, which is

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why I moved there. I graduated after three years. I

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did caricatures. I worked in an ad agency, but along

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the way I was always doing comics, and about twenty

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years ago I finally went off completely on my own.

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I haven't looked back, even during some scary stuff during

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the pandemic. But I've been running my own company out

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of my house for the last twenty years, drawing comics.

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I write and draw for my Little Pony comic book

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on occasion. I've done comics for webtoon a lot of

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romantic comedies warning label Cupid Zeros. I have a superhero

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romantic comedy called Love and Capes. And then my latest

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one is for John Carpenter's comic company, the guy who

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wrote and directed The Thing and Halloween and Starman and

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all sorts of stuff, And it's the Ghost Whisperers about

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a boy and his two cats who see ghosts.

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Speaker 3: Yep, and that's why you're on Catechy today because we're

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going to talk all about it. Thanks for sharing all

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of that. I really liked your book. There's a lot

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of underlying threads through the book. It's not just a

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comic book about a boy and his cats. Yeah, I

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mean there's a lot there. It's not a heavy book,

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but it's really interesting. So before we get into the

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details of the book, how did the ideas come to them?

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I'm an avid reader. I've been reading since I could

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read tons of books. My library card is my favorite card.

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I think more of a favorite card than my credit cards.

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So I love reading and I'm always astonished how people

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come up with themes and stories and then with when

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you're a comic artist, you're a writer, you're doing both,

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you're doing everything. So how does this come about?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 5: All sorts of ways, usually massive head but past that,

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I sometimes i'll see, Yes, I did a header out

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of a shopping cart when I was two and a half,

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and I think that that's how this whole path and

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a cartooning got started. Because I think you have to

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be a little not right in the head to go

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do cartooning. But yeah, sometimes I will take a story

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and I'll see something that pushes me in a different direction.

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Like I'll see a story and say, what if it

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were done this way? Or what if it were done

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a different way. The Ghost Whiskers Sandy King John's wife

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was looking for a young reader's comic, and I was

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pitching her a bunch of different stuff. When she told

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me specifically what she wanted, I really thought about it.

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I have two cats, I have a nephew, and I

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put all those things together, and I was very much

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trying to do a young reader's book. So it's very

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intentional that, like have you seen the movie up, the

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Pixar film No. One of the things I love about

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it is that it's very user definable, so it doesn't

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necessarily hit you with the heavy concept. As a parent,

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you could say that one thing was happening, but if

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you're really paying attention or you're an older audience, you

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know that another thing is happening. So it's not introducing

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concepts that kids aren't ready for or that parents don't

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want to talk about. So the same way in The

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Ghost Whiskers ghosts appear, but we don't say exactly where

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they come from or what happens to them to get there.

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from where they are to somewhere else. So it's very

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much designed to be like just scary enough, but not

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too scary, because it's very intentionally done for young readers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, So tell us about your cats.

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Speaker 5: So I had past tense two cats. I now have one. Sadly,

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my cat Mal, I had to let him go recently.

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it was tough. They are my first cats. I had

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them for about ten years. Alloween is the other cat.

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me talking and try to make an appearance. She's a Calico,

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orange and black and white, which is why she's called Halloween,

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and Mal is named after the character from Firefly Mel Reynolds.

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then when I decided to do a comic about cats,

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I literally put them in the books. Part of it

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is because I just like, I know that they are

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not forever, and I wanted to have them memorialized in

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some way. I've actually put both of them in my

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Little Pony comic as well, but in this book they're

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actually the stars of the show.

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Speaker 3: That they are. So we're going to talk more about

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what the Ghost Whisper is about and get into more

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details of it. But that aside and talking a bit

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about because whispers were low, but the cats in the

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Ghost Whispers can see spirits. Do you think that cats

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have kind of a third sense about them or sixth sense?

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I guess you'd say, or a lot of people think

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they're kind of mystical creatures and they're aware of things

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that like humans are not, which is in the book.

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But do you believe that.

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Speaker 5: I don't. There's a certain amount of mysticism that I

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stay away from in my personal life, Like I just

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don't want to get my hand too close to the

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buzzsaw and all of a sudden be haunted by something

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like it may be there, but I don't need to

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find out. I think cats are very perceptive, and I

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think that they see things that we don't. I don't

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know if it's energy or I know certainly my cats

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had picked up on emotions that I didn't think they would.

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your animal where they're picking up on your moods like that.

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I think there's more stuff in the world than what

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we see. I don't know how much of that cat see,

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but when I see them staring off watching, you know,

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cat TV, I always kind of wonder what they're looking at.

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Speaker 3: Okay and cat TV. What is that?

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it was actually the original title of the book. It

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was called kit TV. It's the thing that happened when

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cats are staring at a space where there's nothing, but

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they're watching it like there's something there. So I was

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kind of filling in the gap about what they were seeing.

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Speaker 3: Well, my cats do that all the time, especially Molly.

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she stays in the cushion. There's something there. It's the

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cushion and she's just staring at it. So now I'm

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going to think there's possibly something else there. Because I

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believe that there's things that we don't always perceive. I mean,

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how do you explain when you get thoughts out of

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no place that just strike you? What is that about?

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you wanted to know for a long time, maybe your

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whole life, and all of a sudden you just get

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it then and there. And it could be in an

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obscure as you're driving to the bank or at the

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grocery store and you just get this thought and go, oh,

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that's how Why did that happen just then out of

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the balloon?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of stuff

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that happens, like I think it bubbles underneath the surface.

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But I think there's also a lot of common stimuli

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that we all have, and I think there I don't

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know if it's completely a collective unconsciousness, but I think

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that people are more connected than we know. I don't know.

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It's one of those things where you can see the

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tips of the waves sometimes, but you don't know all

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the mechanics of what's going on underneath the water makes sense?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So with the ghost Whisper, who's the main character,

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there are three.

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Speaker 5: Really, there's malon Halloween, the cats, and then there's the

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boy Daniel and the cats wind up in a situation

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where they need help from the boy, and the boy

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is still young enough where the cats can talk to

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him if they want him to hear them, so he

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gets wrapped up in it, gets the ability to see

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ghosts as well, and then they help a number of

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spirits move from where they are when they get a

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little stuck to where they need to go. And part

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of the idea is that the spirit world is like

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one big ball of yarn, which is why cats get

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to guard it, so everything kind of clumps up. So

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he has a house that happens to be one of

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those big nodes where ghosts are going from where they

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were to where they need to be next, so they

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passed through the house. It was like from a production

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point of view, and from a storytelling point of view,

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it was a good way to have a six year

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old kid get involved with a lot of stories without

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having to contrive reasons for him to sneak out of

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the house. The biggest conceit in the book is that

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his parents sleep really well because he gets into a

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lot of adventures at night. That they don't hear. But

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I wanted to have reasons for lots of ghosts to

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come to this particular house. So his family moves there

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from Boston. It takes place in Tacoma, Seattle area, and

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their house that they're in happens to be one of

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these nodes, and the cats take over because that's what

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cats do. It becomes their thing to police. And then

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they get into the situation where all of a sudden

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they need to bring Daniel in as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to take a sharp break and we're

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going to talk about a few other topics that are

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I think really putting into chill. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back everyone. We're talking to Tom Zalar. He is

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a comic artist and writer and we're talking about his

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new book, The Ghost Whiskerers. So in the book, we

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just talked about the characters. Daniels one of the key characters.

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He's a little boy, and you also brought in some

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interesting concepts because you talked about him. You know, in

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the book there's him at school, so at six years old,

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you know, there's always certain things you could learn and understand.

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themes that you brought in, is it teach children or

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have parents teach children? Or awareness.

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Speaker 5: I wanted Daniel to have problems that would relate to

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the problems that the ghost we're having to keep them

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from moving on. So everything was kind of a learning

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experience for him, but he was still at the level

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where the things he was learning were going to be

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important to the adventures that he was having. I also,

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since he moved there, he's very out of place. He's

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trying to find his he's trying to find his rhythm

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with people. He's trying to merge in with this class

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of kids, but he's very much the outsider. So as

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a as a narrative technique, it becomes really interesting to

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and isn't quite friendly to him, and figure out how

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to get involved with it. So the problems that he

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has with kids, worrying about sharing, or how they deal

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with their brothers and sisters, anything like that, those all

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become things that he learns that helps him move the

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ghosts from one place to another. Because what all happen

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is that they get when the ghosts appear, they're kind

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of stuck on something. So at one point a brother

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and sister appear and they're fighting, and it's they're fighting.

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They need to calm down so that they can move on.

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sees enough other brothers and sisters having these kind of fights.

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to make it things that while the cats are very

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good at their job, and we see them actually take

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ghosts without Daniel's help, I wanted them to run into situations.

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For as much as we don't understand why cats do

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what they do, I don't think cats understand why we

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do what we do.

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Speaker 3: No, they sure don't. This is a really good book

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because I think it teaches children certain like life lessons

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as much as they can get it. What is the

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age range for this book? Suggest to age.

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Speaker 5: It's probably about five to twelve thereabouts.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so yes, and I think we can get life

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lessons our whole life, but you know, especially children need them.

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in adoption, which kind of heavy in a sense, you know,

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but and you know this day and age, and we

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were in mid twenty twenty five. There's all kinds of families,

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so I love that you brought it in. Why did

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you decide to bring in adoption at.

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Speaker 5: The end, Well, thank you. My nephew is adopted, and

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I wanted to tell a story for him as much

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as for anyone else. So I took that and how

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I felt about him and all the things I wanted

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him to know, and I wanted to put that in

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the story. So like, while the story is for everyone,

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I very much wrote it for my nephew.

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Speaker 3: I love it. It's personal like that I have a

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nephew that's adopted too. It's a very sweet ending without

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being sugary sweet, and I like that you brought in

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that concept and everything you did. Now we're speaking to

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all listeners here. We all love cats. A lot of

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us have kids or some young people in our lives.

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What makes your book different that they should buy it?

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Speaker 5: I think that it has an awful lot of heart

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because story is so personal with it being my cats

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and essentially my nephew. And on top of that, I'm

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gonna brag just a little bit because I worked on

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My Little Pony comics. My Little Pony had a lot

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of lessons, but they were never cloying lessons. And I

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took from that as well that you learn stuff. But

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it's not that moment in eighties cartoons where people would

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sit down and say, well, what did we learn today? Kids?

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It's very much they're more natural. I think they're a

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little more nuanced. They're just a hair more realistic and

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crunchy and the kind of thing that you can really

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relate to with that feeling like you're being preached at.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well said very well. Said what do you hope

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parents or the adults in a child's life or say,

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I already give the book to my niece or nephew, grandson,

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granddaughters too little, but give it the book to them.

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What do you want parents to see is important in

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the book?

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Speaker 5: Oh? I want them first of all to have shared

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experiences with their kid, so to be able to share

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the book and have have that commonality. Because there's so

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much kids entertainment that's written specifically for kids that's almost

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off putting to adults. So by writing something that I

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hope is intelligent and interesting and engaging enough where that

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even while it's four kids, the parents or adults can

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enjoy it too. That's going to create a shared experience

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that they're going to be able to bond over. Like

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I said, that's also something that happened with My Little

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Pony where those stories were While they're very much written

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for a younger audience, they can be enjoyed by an

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older audience. So I wanted to bring that and hopefully

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it deals with enough kind of problems and issues like

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the small ones kids have about fitting in with a

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new group, that it gives them something that they can

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talk to each other about. And yeah, I just want

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to facilitate that kind of There's someone I heard that

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said that it's not just about quality time with kids,

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it's about quantity time because you only get the quality

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moments when you spend enough moments with them to have

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that you can't manufacture like I will now have quality

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time with you. It's more you need to be there

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a lot and then magic stuff happens. And I want

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to have things that help bring those moments about.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I love that. Now, on the kid's point of view,

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what do you hope the kids get from the book.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I hope they enjoy it because it's

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it's a fun story. I don't want it to feel

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like work. And I tried very hard to make sure

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that the kids are written like kids, like they should

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be able to see themselves and some things that they're

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going through in the kids in the story, so they're

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not like miniature adults. They're having kid length problems. You know,

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they lose a book, they it's always fitting in with

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new people or making a new friend, any of that

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stuff where I hope they see themselves reflected in it,

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and I hope it gives them a little more experience,

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like it broadens their thought, so like if you've never

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met someone who's adopted, it gives you enough to go

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on to know how loved those those adoptees are, and

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like some of the complications that come with either being

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adopted or what it took to be adopted or anything

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like that, where I just want to I want to

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give them a little more of a window into what

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the world is like in a friendly way, to see

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how vast and textured and awesome it is.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and even though you bring in adoption, you have

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several other ghosts that we didn't even mention beside sister,

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and we're not going to go through all of them,

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but you also bring in a dog ghost.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I kind of felt like if the cats were intelligent,

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other animals would be intelligent, and there would also be

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animals that would pass through. There's a there's a specific

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reason why the dog is attracted to them. It's not

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normal because it establishes that normally animals are much easier

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to pass through to the next place. But something happens

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that causes a bit of a disturbance, and it also

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won it allows for a lot of humor. That's that

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particular chapter I think is one of the funniest, and

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it just kind of opens your mind to the way

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that the dogs are written very different than the cats,

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and I liked playing with that difference between those two

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different characters.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and what would you say to people that are

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listening and aren't the hearing you know, ah, you know,

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I love cats, but there's talk about spirits and ghosts

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and stuff, and this might be too much for a

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little kid. How would you reassure them that this is

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a good book for your child. I didn't think it

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was scary, but I mean, I'm an adult, so I'm

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not the best one to judge in that point, but

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I think it's perfectly acceptable for a child. But anyone

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who's who who's thinking, I'm not sure, says the word

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ghost it's for a kid. I mean there's other ghost

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things for kids, but.

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Speaker 5: M yeah, it's it's designed to be more magical than

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frightening or scary, like all the scary stuff is actually

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pretty low stakes, like things get knocked around at the house,

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or there are noises or drafts, but there's nothing where

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the kid ever feels like he's actually in danger. Those

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stakes were set up intentionally, but it's also it's a

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magical fantasy universe that's built. So it's the kind of

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place where if a kid read the book, he would

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like to be in that universe, as opposed to a

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scary place where it's like, well it's an interesting story,

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but I would not want to live there. Like it

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just it adds a little magic to what's in your

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existing life, and it's it's you know, it's set up

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to be you know, like Casper the Friendly Ghost or

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something like that, where it's whether or not you think

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ghosts are real or any of that stuff. It's just

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that little magical add on to the world that's out

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there to make it a little more interesting, a little

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more fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's wonderful. I mean, it's written so well, and

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it's and the drawing is amazing. How long does it

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take you to draw or illustrate a book like this?

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Speaker 5: I can draw a page day. It's also a question

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of what other stuff is going on at the time.

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And she's through it, she's actually doing really well. But

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my mom was sick for a while during it, and

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that threw me off my pace. It probably took me

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about six to nine months to actually get the book

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done from beginning to end once the script was approved

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by storm King.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad your mom is doing better, and thank you.

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You're welcome. That's pretty amazing A page a day. Do

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you ever find yourself stuck when you're trying to dream

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of what the characters should look like? Or in this case,

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I know you wrote you had your nephew in mine,

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So are his parents in the book too?

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Speaker 5: No, that would be my brother and sister in law.

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I didn't put them in, but I telegraphed some of

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the adoption stuff by not putting them in. So my

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nephew is still young enough where he's still developing a personality,

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so it was more the visual representation of him and

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just kind of his youthful exuberance rather than anything aside

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from the backstory, nothing so specific about him like that.

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So I didn't feel bad about about not putting my

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brother and sister in law in there. And sometimes I

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do get stuck, but not for long. And I've been

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doing this long enough where I can either tell when

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it's something i'll figure out, or I can tell if

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it's something where I've done it wrong and I have

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to go back a couple steps. But a lot of

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times it's figuring out. Like I was saying about when

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we were talking about the kind of collective unconsciousness thing,

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you realize that you need to take a break from it,

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so you find something else to do. One of the

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things that worked really well was that if I was

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really stuck on something, or there was something that I'd

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written in the script that I didn't think was working,

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I still could finish inking and coloring and lettering the

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page before, and that it'd take the rest of the day.

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And while you're doing that, your brain will go in

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all sorts of different directions, and hopefully by the time

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that day is over, you've actually figured out the problem

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that you're going to have to get to the next day.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of the writing Mystique shared with us,

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So thank you. Do you have another book coming out

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with kats in the future or would you like to I.

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Speaker 5: Would love to do a sequel to Ghost Whiskers. That

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would be delightful. It depends on how well this one sells.

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I've got another pitch in with Storm King. I'm going

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to be drawing the Anger Birds comic, and I have

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a couple more romantic comedy comics coming out. I want

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to make sure that I'm doing it judiciously, like I'm

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not putting cats in it just because I really like

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cats and I want them in everything I'm doing. I'm

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trying to make sure that the story is the story

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is the story. But yeah, I would love to do

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more in this universe, and I'd love to figure out.

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One of the pitches I have is for something Egyptian,

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so there'd be lots of places where I can put

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cats in that as well.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wonderful. So let's tell everyone where can people

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find your books find out more about you?

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Speaker 5: So you should be able to find it on Amazon,

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but you can also go to Storm kingcomics dot com

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and get it there, or you can go to my

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website Thhomz dot com. There's some weird stuff going on

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in the comics industry with distribution, so sometimes that gets

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a little glitchy. But you can go to Storm King

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or me directly. We have tons of copies if you

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get them from me, they'll come signed.

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Speaker 3: Well wonderful. I'd like to thank you so much for

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coming on Catatude and I wish you amazing success.

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Speaker 5: Oh my pleasure. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: I hope you all enjoyed the show. The book is

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called The Ghost Whiskers for children from like five to twelve.

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You can find out more at Storm mckincomics dot com

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or tom z sence spelled t h o m z

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dot com. What a great book. Thank you Tom for

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coming on the show. Thank you to everyone listening to Catitude.

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We are the top cat show on pet Life Radio

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and that says a lot, so thank you so much.

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And of course a huge thank you to my cats,

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Dennis Mollie and Charlotte Mollie. Now I know how you

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watch a lot of cat TV, and I'm concerned a

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little bit, and I aug thank you to Mark winter,

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for making me and my guests sound amazing. Now remember

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lista attitude, have catitude.

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